The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Basketball Movie Character Draft LIVE From Austin, Texas, With Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

It's a Grantland reunion! The Ringer's Bill Simmons is LIVE in Austin, Texas, and he is joined by Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey to hit a myriad of topics before drafting a basketball te...am of movie characters. Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Shea Serrano, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey Producers: Kyle Crichton, Chia Hao Tat, and Steve Ceruti The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:42 Listen to the end of this episode for additional details. Must be 21 plus and President-elect states. Gam problem, call 1-800-GAMBler or visit rg-help.com. Hey, this is weird. I'm in Austin, Texas. It's freezing cold. We have a grand land reunion. It's coming up next.
Starting point is 00:00:58 We're also brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network. Don't forget about the rewatchables. We did Wayne's World this week. Don't forget about the Prestige TV podcast. We're doing white Lotus and Severance covered all of it. I'm there on Sunday nights as well. My Sunday night podcast with Rosillo is coming back this Sunday. I think, I hope, hopefully, hopefully Rosillo knows. We'll have to tell him. Anyway, what you're about to listen to is me and Sean Fantasy and Chris Ryan and Shay Serrano going to Austin, Texas, where for some reason it's 30 degrees.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Was not on the agenda for me, but we're here anyway and we put together a big show at the Paramount Theater. There was 1,100 people apparently that are coming to this. I'm taping this before the show. I hope it goes well. Wish us luck. Let's bring it, Pearl Jam. ["Winter Pag"] Yeah!
Starting point is 00:02:10 Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Why the fuck is it so cold? What the hell? We could have gone to Chicago or Winnipeg. Thanks to Miklobaltrö for sponsoring this.
Starting point is 00:02:30 We're so happy to be here. We love being in Austin. I'm going to introduce... You guys don't know who's here tonight, right? No. First up... the Prince of Philadelphia, Chris Ryan. Next up, the self-proclaimed King of letterbox, Sean Fennessy.
Starting point is 00:03:05 And last but not least, from the heart of Texas, the one, the only, Shea Serrano. It's a grand land reunion, everybody. How you feeling, Shea? I feel fantastic. I feel so good. Sean went to a DVD store for like two hours today. What store was that, Sean? I went to Waterloo Records. Shout out Waterloo.
Starting point is 00:03:46 Yeah. And I spent $184 on Blu-rays. We almost died on the way there and back. Yeah. It was fucking cold. Yeah. What is up Austin? So I was here for the Dallas Super Bowl in Texas.
Starting point is 00:04:00 What was that? Like 2010? And it snowed like an inch and nobody could get anywhere because they had no snowplows. And that was when I realized, oh yeah, Texas, doesn't do well with cold weather. We are gonna do a bunch of stuff with you guys today. We have a big, fun, crazy draft
Starting point is 00:04:17 in the second part of this podcast. But we're gonna start, we're gonna do a hodgepodge thing. Let's start with All-Star Weekend, because it just happened. Sure. Boom. Oh, wow. Tough beat.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Second lowest ratings ever. Shay, is this song cost going to be fixed? It can be fixed, and I'm going to tell you how it's going to be fixed. There's a man, a seven foot five man in San Antonio. And he's going to save it. a seven foot five man in San Antonio. Yeah. Yeah. And he's going to save it. What's going to happen is, same thing that we saw happen
Starting point is 00:04:48 with the end season tournament where LeBron said, hey, guess what, I care about this. And then everybody else went, okay, cool, we care about it too. So that's Wimby. That's going to happen with Wimby. He's going to raise another seven foot five guy
Starting point is 00:05:01 in San Antonio. He's going to take it over. I didn't know there was another one coming. Right now the guy, Joker is the guy and he is like, I don't care about any of this at all. I don't care one single percent. So everybody else falls in line. When Wimby is the guy, he's gonna care
Starting point is 00:05:15 and they're all gonna care. CR, what'd you think of my idea that we split the game up and the Sunday game is just guys from the top five seeds and they play for home court advantage. And the, I liked it to the extent, but it's really going to have to just convince these guys to want to play more basketball and to play more hard basketball. I was thinking about this. I just think that this is probably entering the pro bowl zone where you just got to move it to that end of the season. After the season, it's just like, you guys want to play? We'll have like seven foot rims.
Starting point is 00:05:41 You can do somersaults, you know, like whatever you can get trampolines out there. Like it could we'll have like seven foot rims. it might have culturally expired, which has happened a few times in our lifetime, specifically with some actors too. Like who? I don't know, who have culturally expired. Like Kevin Spacey? Yeah, well that's the... Um, he's...
Starting point is 00:06:15 That was good, under two minutes. Thank you. That was nice. I knew he'd come up. I was in San Francisco this past weekend and I had tickets to the event and did not go to any of the events, which is not a good sign obviously, so I okay. I call pitch in my idea. Let's here. I think they should scrap the
Starting point is 00:06:35 game. I think they should scrap the done contest. I think they should scrap the three point shooting contest. That's everything scrap the futures game. What about the skills come so I think that they should only do the skills competition, but for two full days, I'm not kidding and make it like an insane double dare obstacle course. Oh, but American gladiators, grass, okay, but the winning team and I was inspired by when be in cp three should automatically get home court advantage throughout the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:07:08 So there's like real stakes, so you'd have these guys like during practice during the season, like really working on throwing the ball through that round circle or whatever, and all the stuff they have to do there. It's just like the skills competition matters. You could win like seven games in the regular season and then get the one seed.
Starting point is 00:07:22 Yes. I like that. Yeah, you could be like the playing team at number ten, but you got a home court games that would work for the Sixers. I for a number of years, I have told everybody that I met that Sean Finnesse is one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life. I changed my mind right now. It's a horrible idea. It's the worst idea I've ever heard. No, no bad ideas in a brainstorm. Well, the fact that we're coming up with ideas like this tells you how grim it is for all No bad ideas in a brainstorm. happens at a time where football's over, you want basketball. Like you want important basketball games. Like why not just give the Bucs 10 days off, but then bring them back and have it all work
Starting point is 00:08:10 so that teams have bi-weeks throughout the season. Isn't that what they're trying to do with Joel Embiid? That was a Joel Embiid joke you guys didn't hear because of the mic. But yeah, that is what they're trying to do with Joel Embiid. Shay, how would David Stern have handled the NBA in 2025? I think about this a lot. He's like the angry grandparent you had that you were like, -"Oh, man." -"He would have been so mad."
Starting point is 00:08:34 I hate Grandpa. He's so annoying. And then you kind of miss him. Yeah. He would have cussed out everybody. It would have been some private meeting in a cafeteria and they all would have been sitting at cafeteria tables and he'd just been like, guys, what the fuck is going on? What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:08:49 That's all that would have happened. Do you miss Stern fantasy? I miss the idea of the power that he represented. I also love the idea of him firing Nico Harrison. You know, like he would have just done that. This guy is out of the paint. like he would have done. This guy is out of the pain and he would have done something like that, so I missed that to do people in Austin. So do you lean toward the spurs or like what's that?
Starting point is 00:09:17 So when the Mavericks you guys are just luca, wait okay,. So when the Mavericks traded Luka, you guys are just laughing your asses off? Yeah. What was your reaction, Shay? That was the first time I ever felt bad for Dallas Mavericks fans. Like, I've laughed at every single horrible thing
Starting point is 00:09:36 that has ever happened. When they lost to the Warriors, the We Believe Warriors, number one seed, Belly laughed at them. When they had their championship stolen by the Miami Heat in 2006 seed, belly laughed at them. When they had their championship stolen by the Miami Heat in 2006, belly laughed at them. And then when I saw this, I felt like sadness, genuine sadness.
Starting point is 00:09:54 You're a man of the people. Yeah, like what... 2011. Yeah. 2011. What was your reaction when you heard the trade CR? I never had you... Is Dirk here? Only people I didn't have on a podcast. Was me. What was your reaction when you heard the trade CR? I never had you...
Starting point is 00:10:05 Is Dirk here? Only people I didn't have on a podcast. Was me. My reaction was I was coming out of the movie Companion, and I was just like utterly shocked, couldn't believe it. My favorite thing about it since it's happened is definitely that the Mavericks keep finding executives to do profiles where they're like, I underestimated the crowd reaction to this.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Like Rick Welts just did one. I was like, Rick Welts works with the Mavericks? And they're just pushing these guys out on the ice floe to get shot with arrows every other day. It's amazing. Nico's doing a good job getting other people involved. I know you're a student of journalism, Sean, have you been following some of these features with the MAVs? Have they been trying to, we weren't actually going to give Luca the MAX extension, people didn't realize because we're idiots. So we weren't going to do that.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Yeah. I think that they shouldn't talk, which is not good for journalism, obviously. I think that everyone should be held accountable for their actions. I did have an idea for ownership groups, though, which is I think if you're gonna buy a team, you should have to pass, like, an NBA literacy test. Like, when you become an American citizen and you have to learn about, like,
Starting point is 00:11:15 who wrote the Declaration of Independence. You should have to know the history of the game. So, Patrick Dumont? Well, I'm not gonna name any names. Just be like, what year did the ABA and NBA merge? And he's like, uh, 1988? of the game. run teams that's great for us for content. But the real thing that's interesting is the Lakers are villainous again. Because they pull off this trade and then they trade for Mark Williams and then they just void the trade. They're like, this hasn't happened in like two decades.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And Mark Williams is like, I'm actually, no thanks. And then the trade deadline passed. Charlotte couldn't trade them. But if somebody did this in your fantasy league, it would be the angriest chain of emails ever. And people would stop talking, and it's like, Bob's not invited to Gary's wedding now. Yeah. Yeah, oh, it's because of Mark Williams' trade? Yeah, yeah, that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:12:23 They said they haven't voided their trade in 15 years yet. Yeah. And apparently when you make a trade, Yeah, that's what happened. that they were saving the spot for or the trade assets for, I'm going to lose it. Are you guys on my side that more people knew about this trade than everyone's letting on? Because I think a lot of people knew and then they're all like, we didn't know, found out last second. I don't believe it. I think both coaches knew I think I think Anthony Davis knew I think the agent knew like he had to Wave the no trade clause. I'm just never gonna believe it. They're never gonna convince me. I Think LeBron knew what about but Luca had no idea. I think Luca was the only one that didn't know Luca was like I just got an awesome 15 million dollar
Starting point is 00:13:19 Greater Dallas area the Mavericks were like yeah, he didn't know cuz he was out there getting fucking drunk in the greater Dallas area. The Mavericks were like, yeah, he didn't know because he was out there getting fucking drunk. And eating like fried chicken. Lazy motherfucker. He was like, binging Netflix. So, Shay,
Starting point is 00:13:34 the Luca Doncic movie, when they make it, is it a TV movie, like a Ryan Murphy type of movie? Is it a sports movie? Is it a dark, seedy drama that Sean would really like and do multiple big picture episodes of? Or is it a heist movie?
Starting point is 00:13:49 It's like Margin Call. Margin Call. That's what it's gonna be. Yeah. Just a bunch of late night whatever's happening in a whatever. That's all that it is. You like that, would you, you wanna walk through
Starting point is 00:14:00 the heist movie with Luca Doncich, with Polinka's Neil McCauley? Yeah, well he kind of dresses like Neil McCauley a little bit, maybe a slightly tighter slack, but condo with no further. Genie's never let him feel comfortable about to buy furniture. I do like the idea of it being a Ryan Murphy FX series, but I would want the same cast as as the Aaron Hernandez show, like just put them in Leo buts to play Patrick to my
Starting point is 00:14:31 what do you think fantasy? I think this is the chance to finally get Oliver Stone back where he belongs. Oh, oh yeah, and I think that we have yet to see the way we can conspiracy theorize about what's happened here, but I think he should do it entirely in the register of the doors where it's just like Nico Harrison is just tripping on LSD the whole time. He like micro doses every morning and he's like yeah, Lucas should go like just losing his mind, but if they do a native american guy in the desert, it would be great if they do it like JFK. That means you get to play Donald Sutherland who benefited
Starting point is 00:15:04 you know. Sounds great If they do it like JFK, that means you get to play Donald Sutherland. Who benefited? You know? That sounds great. What you're laying out though, because then Cuban, maybe Cuban's like, because he's better that he sold the team. So he wants them to destroy the team. And he's like, he's like drugging Nico Harrison. Yeah, this is like, it's getting dark. It's like traffic.
Starting point is 00:15:21 That would be great. Kevin Durant. You guys like Kevin Durant, right? He loves Austin. Katie's a little bit of a nomad. You know, starts out in OKC, nine years there, goes to Golden State, goes to Brooklyn, goes to Phoenix, almost gets traded in the Deadline.
Starting point is 00:15:39 And yet I think we all like him. I always feel like I'm like a Katie defender. You saw the clip this week with... from the new Netflix series about the Olympics. KD just starts crying. He loves basketball so much. Like, I really think he's one of the most genuine athletes that we have, but also takes a ton of shit. Shay, what do you want his next five years to look like?
Starting point is 00:16:03 I wouldn't mind him... If you could direct his next five years, what would it be? I wouldn't mind him spending two years in San Antonio. That would be great. Maybe the two last prime years, right? The last two good years, and then the last three years, they bring the Sonics back. It's time for the league to expand.
Starting point is 00:16:20 And then he goes back there. I think that would be really cool. So two years, like Wemby's first, I can't believe he's in the finals this young. Yeah, and he's part of that with the air fox. I like that. What do you think shot? I think he should make a sequel to the Disney original film thunder struck to Phoenix rising. Keep following that story a little bit. You know he messed up. He should have signed with the New York Knicks,
Starting point is 00:16:46 but he was a coward, so screw him. I actually you lost the crowd. It's thirty degrees outside. We can't intact. I love you, Texas. I actually think even KD would admit Nets over next was a mistake. Yeah, I'd like him to go to Boston and then orchestrate a trade for Kyrie Irving to come back to Boston with him.
Starting point is 00:17:15 And then maybe orchestrate a trade for James Harden to come back. Tatum and Brown for KD. Yeah. I think the San Antonio thing would be great because KD really does have genuine affection for University of Texas even though he was only here one year. But the way he talks about it would be cool. Yeah. Our drive back and forth.
Starting point is 00:17:36 He would be instantly beloved in San Antonio. Which is what he needs. Yeah, he does. Because you don't want to be the guy who played for 25 years and everyone's like, ah, like, like, Vince Carter. Vince Carter got retired by Toronto. Yeah, he's like got a retirement ceremony every week. And it's like, he played for the Nets for four years, the retiree. Wasn't there like a 15 minute honorarium to him during the dunk contest or something? Yeah. Like, yeah, that was weird. Yeah, it really feels like we're pushing. He's still alive.
Starting point is 00:18:06 He's right there. He's really pushing. Right, then he came out and it was like, I thought he was dead. Vince Carter's at SNL 50 like, ah, it's all right. It feels like there's a lot of rehabilitation stuff with retired stars whose careers didn't turn out perfectly. Carmelo's another one. And then Dwight Howard's like, I'd like to figure out how to do this,
Starting point is 00:18:27 but I'm too much of a mess. I can't. But in general, it's funny how like we hear way more about Carmelo and way more about Vince Carter now than Tim Duncan, who's one of the best seven players of all time. But it's kind of in one way, it's Tim Duncan's fault because he doesn't do like the post-career, look at me, look at me, remember? Like he just doesn't, he doesn't care.
Starting point is 00:18:51 But now nobody talks about him. Well I think that's by design though. There's nothing he wants less than to be part of a conversation. Right. So he's doing great. Yeah. He came in, won five titles, got the fuck out.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Is he coaching? He's coaching now, right? Yeah, he might pop in and coach a little bit. But that's the point that we're making. Who knows? He's like John Wick. Who knows? He's hunched over so you don't notice him.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Tim Duncan's at a bar and somebody's like, yeah, Karl Malone was better than Tim Duncan. He's over here, he's like, I don't care, I won five titles. He doesn't. He doesn't. Karl Malone can have this one. I kicked his ass all the time. He's like, I don't care. I won five pedals. He doesn't. He doesn't. He probably can have this one. I kicked his ass all the time. This episode is brought to you by Miklobe Ultra.
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Starting point is 00:19:46 Always be prepared for a win and order a McLoBulltra today. Available on DoorDash, by the way. Enjoy responsibly, 20.25 in Izer Bush, McLoBulltra, light beer, St. Louis, Missouri. Must be 21 plus to order alcohol. Alcohol available only in select markets. Shay, where do you stand on X-Player podcasts? Have we hit peak crazy yet? Or are there two years left to go? Select markets. What? How far do we go with this? I think Jeff Teague is the perfect podcaster.
Starting point is 00:20:25 He's as good as... I like that one. I'll defend him. He's as good as he gets. Yeah. He's great. Yeah, we're at the exact right level now. One more and it all falls apart. That don't go anymore.
Starting point is 00:20:35 What do you think, Sean? I hope Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart pod forever. I'm really enjoying that show. That's a good pod. It's them just shitting on each other for 45 minutes. Yeah. Being like, you're the biggest loser.
Starting point is 00:20:48 What are you going to do if Leon Rose trades Josh Hart like and that podcast gets broken up, hire an assassin to kill not sure. I don't listen to a lot of those shows. If I'm being honest, but I do respect that they are currently working very hard to eliminate shows like this. They're like, we have been observing your strategy of hot takery and we can do better. We just like we can dunk better than you. We can also hot take better than you. And that's kind of what each new show that comes along knows it goes needs to go to a higher level. So do you listen to that next podcast? Sometimes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:25 You're like, these are my guys? I have an emotional relationship with these men who don't know who I am. Chris, does Embiid have a podcast that he does once a month? Does Embiid have a podcast? No. Just like once a month he does it? Paul George, did you guys know that I found this stat? Apparently he's recorded 19 podcast episodes as a member of the Sixers Paul George, did you guys know that I found this stat? Apparently he's recorded 19 podcast episodes as a member of the Sixers and scored two points in his last game as a member of the Sixers before the All-Star break.
Starting point is 00:21:55 It's kind of a bummer. Yeah. Turns out that's why he was available. Do you want to walk us through where... Where I'm at? Yeah. Where you at? It's pretty dark, you know? It's like... I kind of do, man. That's why I'm wearing this fucking thunder hat. You know, like, it's just pretty brutal.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Like, I think Maxie is the thing that's made me most sad because he's obviously so bummed out by this that, like, even his effervescence is dimming. The MP thing is, I don't know, man. I don't know, I don't think he's ever gonna be what we thought he was gonna be. I remember the 2019 Celtics, the year was the year after the...
Starting point is 00:22:35 Just to make it about you, we can't talk about you for a minute. No, when you're this... No. No, when you know something's wrong with a season, and you're like, maybe this will be the game, and it turns around, and then it doesn't, and then by December, January, you're just kind of like,
Starting point is 00:22:51 oh, this is going to be one of the... It's like every Jets season for Sean. But it's just like... I'm sorry, that was a call for it. I apologize. We were talking about the Sixers. Well, but where you know it's not going to come back. But then you're stuck with the season. Come back from what with the Sixers. Well, but where you know it's not gonna come back. Then you're stuck with the Seaside. Come back from what with the Jets?
Starting point is 00:23:08 I would like to know what's the like furthest away from basketball. Somebody has said something to you and then you went. It reminded me of the 2019 Celtics. Yeah, let me think. So we go politics. It could be like all family, my father, my father passed away. Bill, you know the two thousand and eight. So we thought Gordon Hayward was going to pass away that
Starting point is 00:23:35 you know what the eventually Brad Stevens, yeah, not Iran Contra, you know, without a fair. Well, at that time we know Larry Bird was going with hi, hi, six, nine and seven. Were you sad to see Aaron Rogers go sad to see Aaron Rogers go yeah? No, no, I honestly hope he goes to hell I know I honestly hope he goes to hell like these favorite athlete ever. That's just what legacy media wants you to believe
Starting point is 00:24:17 man. Yeah, my favorite thing ever. No one here cares about the new jets regime, so I'm sorry, but the story that they were like you can come back if you don't go on McAfee and he was like no dice tells you everything you need to know about that guy. I liked when they did the Hard Knocks series and you were like wow Aaron Rodgers is in this and then they got to one episode and he talked about aliens for two minutes. Yeah. And you're like oh that's why he did it because they told him he could do this. Who we were talking about this earlier, who is the number one
Starting point is 00:24:47 celebrity or athlete that's attached to Austin where Austin goes? Is it Glenn Powell or McConaughey? All right. So it's Powell and McConaughey in the finals, right? Do those guys have beef? Do those guys have a little tension? We picking that up? They're buds.
Starting point is 00:25:05 All right. They're buds. Okay. Thank you Lance for coming tonight. Yeah. I'll tell you that reminded me of the 2019 suckers. All right. So let's go.
Starting point is 00:25:23 I'll give you McConaughey and Powell. So who says McConaughey? Who says Glenn Powell? All right, McConaughey, Jesus. Dundee. Wow. They did not like Mr. Sch... McConaughey's really figured it out.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Yeah. Because he goes to all that, he goes to a lot of the Texas games too. He's like, like an assistant coach now, yeah. CR, scale of one to 20, how genuine is Bradley Cooper's Eagles fandom, would you say? One to 20, I'll give you. I'm going to go 19,
Starting point is 00:25:58 just because it feels super recent. Like, I'm sure it's genuine, but like, I don't recall him being a part of the Eagles before 2017. She's more recent. She was like on a late night show talking about loving the Giants like five years ago. So it's cool. Like you can love who you want to love, but like she just switched around on the end of the scene. Can I love the Eagles? Like is that on the board for me? Sure. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Water's warm. Shay, who's your favorite celebrity attached to a team celebrity? Let's go with... Let's go with... Does San Antonio have one? Danny Trejo. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:37 They play like during Spurs games a Danny Trejo clip of him being like, hey, let's fucking go. Do they really? Yeah. That's like a real thing. That's a really good one. I like that one. How about you, Sean?
Starting point is 00:26:51 That'd be great. Before every game, he's like, kneel. Please. Come on. What about you, Sean? Favorite celebrity fan of one of my teams? Of a tie to a team, any team. The one you feel is the most genuine. I mean, Jack in the Lakers is the realest shit ever.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Not Larry David in the Jets? No, he abandoned the Jets. Larry David quit the Jets. Yeah, he quit the Jets. Once again, smartest guy of all time. A couple more quickies. If speaking of Austin, if Austin tried to steal the Spurs from San Antonio, would it cause the Civil War in Texas?
Starting point is 00:27:29 There would be two million Mexicans outside of the Moody Center. Mad as hell. So it's never happening? Never happening. Where is this arena they're playing tomorrow? It's a nice one, right? Yeah, who knows, it doesn't matter. Look at Shae, No I'm kidding. I like Austin a lot. It's one of the 10 best cities in Texas.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Sean who's winning best picture at the Oscars? I had that on my list a Nora, which yeah nor again yeah hell yeah. Thank you um because it did the DGA PGA WGA whatever the hell that triple crown yeah you nailed it brother the in August we were texting about the no in September. We were texting about the Oscars and I was like I think it's an aura because there's like nothing else going on and you're like no chance. Well, there's a lot of sex in that movie.
Starting point is 00:28:36 What did you do about old people that vote for the Oscar? Yeah. Did you like those scenes? I thought they were very well done. Yeah, very tasteful. Very tasteful. Very tasteful. I thought for the character it made a lot of sense. It did. It did. Really strong writing. So the last movie that did those three but then didn't win Best Picture was Crash. It was Crash, yeah. Well, Brokeback Mountain won those three awards in 2005. Oh yeah, Brokeback Mountain won the three and then Crash won on Oscar night, which is the first time I gouged my eyes out
Starting point is 00:29:07 and then had reconstructive surgery. So, Inora, what if it's not Inora who is? Bill, how many times have you seen the brutalists in theaters? So, three and a half hours is a long time. Yeah. What was the name of the Netflix true crime doc
Starting point is 00:29:24 you were telling us about that. How long was that? Gabby Petito. So Netflix has this new documentary. This girl was a vlogger and, and just a lot of vlogging footage and, and I got sucked in three episodes. Guess what? She didn't make it. Was it rough? Was it roughly three and a half hours? It was probably longer than that.
Starting point is 00:29:49 It was like two and a half. So Brutalist is too long, but a nine hour Celtics documentary is just right. Could have been longer. Yeah. These true crime things, I love when the guys, the killers make the same mistake every time, like they... This guy in the new one, once somebody is dead, they take the phone and they send text back and forth, like the police aren't going to figure that out. People are so stupid.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Anyway. Wait, what were we talking about? I actually do want to keep teasing this out of how you'd fix murder. Oh, Brutalist. No. So, I watched a combined 14 minutes of Wicked, Amelia Perez, and the Brutalist. They send me all the screeners. Sometimes I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to watch this.
Starting point is 00:30:37 I'll watch three minutes. I'm like, I'm out. And then other ones I'll keep going. I don't have time to watch 50 Oscar screeners. There's terrible basketball to watch. I'll keep going. My wife liked it, I forgot to tell you. Did she? Yeah. Did you like a change?
Starting point is 00:31:06 Did you see the Brutalist? No. I did the same thing you did. I saw the runtime and I was like, I don't want to. It's intimidating. It's like 40 minutes longer than John Wick 4. Yeah, that's 40. That's a lot of time.
Starting point is 00:31:19 And nobody's riding a horse with a sword. You wouldn't know. I'm out. I'm out. That's going to be in The Brutalist 2. Yeah. I'll watch that one. I'm excited about that.
Starting point is 00:31:28 More movies should have that. I would have you give your Oscar bets to everybody, but they can't bet here in Texas. What the hell, Texas? Boo! Boo! Boo! There's some fandual people here, they love this.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Best actor? Chalamet? No. No. No. No actor? Chalamet? No. No? No. Really?
Starting point is 00:31:48 What happened? He has not won a single precursor. So if he wins, it's gonna be really surprising. So who's it gonna be? He's the People's Champ though. People love this kid. You know what? Better.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Better for the career if he doesn't win. I agree. It builds up, it gets a Leo thing going it I think part of his campaign for this whole movie where he's been doing Non-traditional media like Nard war and doing photo ops with Carl Anthony towns, which I fully support Has been so that he maintains his cool without having to seem like he's glad handing every Academy member I like it Adrian Brody's gonna win though who's winning best actress? Two weeks ago I would have said Demi Moore,
Starting point is 00:32:28 but now it feels like Mikey Madison. She won it BAFTA over the weekend. She has to win. I don't know. It feels like we'll find out on Sunday at the SAG Awards. That's when we'll figure it out. If Demi Moore didn't win for about last night, she's never winning.
Starting point is 00:32:40 That's true. Yeah. So good in that movie. You thought for strip tease. Yeah, I did. It's an underappreciated classic. Speaking of movies, That's true. Yeah. So good in that movie. You thought for strip tease. Yeah, I did. It's an underappreciated classic. Speaking of movies, Shay.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yep. Are we scared about Heat 2? I'm scared about it. It's been a lot of conversations in our circles. This is, sequels are tough, man. It's almost better off not happening than having one and then... We were just talking about Den of Thieves 2. We were talking about a bunch of 2s recently. Yeah. Yeah, 2s are tough. happening, then having one, and then...
Starting point is 00:33:23 sucks. I can watch it and then go that's fucking. We should jump straight to jump straight to heat three just skip to skip to you are idea problems, and then it's just like just finish the trilogy without making to what's the most disappointed ever been in a sequel shot. I mean Batman forever sucked. That was tough. You know we came off to Burton movies yeah like I'm mixing it up shoe Mocker yeah he's interesting lost boys. I like that guy the client was big fan of that film that in forever is terrible. That was if that was tough. I mean Godfather three
Starting point is 00:33:56 is a famous one, but we've come all the way back around international. Oh my God, international that guy is about to be right in the frame. If with the mix, what's your most disappointing sequel? I got made bit of recency bias, but Gladiator 2 is a real power. It had all the guys in it. It had all my guys. And it just wasn't as good.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Isn't Ridley Scott like 88? He's 84. Yeah, my card was up. Yeah. What about you, Shay? I think I'm gonna go with Gladiator 2 also. Really? The first Gladiator is a perfect movie.
Starting point is 00:34:25 And you just, I was like, all it needs to be is like 70% of that. And it wasn't 70% of that. I have another 48 hours. Yeah. Eddie was like 20 pounds overweight for some reason. I didn't understand why Jack Hates, why he was in jail for five more years and then they just fought the whole time. But then at the end, Keough ends up being the Iceman.
Starting point is 00:34:51 It sucks. And it's like, what the hell? Because then it ruins how you watch the first movie. Or it's like, this guy was the Iceman the whole time. And it just like, it was like a Jedi mind trick. It really bothered me. None of you guys have even seen it. It ruined, I don't like when it ruins the movie before it
Starting point is 00:35:09 with what they do with the sequel. When they go retroactively backwards and it fucks up like what was in your head already. Really annoyed me. You think that could happen to Heat 2? That's what I don't want. I don't want my brain chemistry to get, I mean, we've seen Heat 430 times. would happen to heat too? You were early. It was like 2018.
Starting point is 00:35:41 It had been around for a while. You were the first player in the WNBA. And now we're at the point with Caitlin Clark. Would you say she's the biggest under 30 basketball star we have or would you go with somebody else? Like on the planet? Yeah. I think, I mean it's her, it's Wimby,
Starting point is 00:36:01 and maybe Anthony Edwards in that conversation. But Angel Reese is coming up quick. Like, she's playing a smart game. She's playing the personality game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's very charming, and she knows how to turn it on. But yeah, Caitlin just has this gravity about her that I think puts her right now
Starting point is 00:36:19 a little bit above everybody else. It's unreal. What do you think? It pains me to say this, because I don't know that he's the most charismatic person in the world, but you know Jason Tatum is like really holy shit, Amos and successful and I'm not kissing up to you because are you trying to raise? I follow Aaron Rodgers to hell. Honestly, I don't I don't want anything good for him,
Starting point is 00:36:42 but I I like the premise of the question, but you know, first of all, Jason's hit him. He's only like 21. He's got that going for him. 26. Is it actually Ja? I don't know. John doesn't play.
Starting point is 00:36:55 I mean, John plays. He just misses games. Love them. Like, like, like younger generations love. Josh is, she's not going to like this, but he's going to respect it. Tatum's got Tim Duncan at us. He does, yeah. When you watched him on the starting five doc,
Starting point is 00:37:09 that was my favorite part of the doc, is like you didn't learn. Are we supposed to be talking about Caitlin Clark? Anything about him. We're going to circle back. You didn't learn anything about him. And I said, I miss that. I miss that in basketball players when all I know about them is what they do on the basketball court, and that's it.
Starting point is 00:37:22 He gives you that. But that's why he's not more popular than Caitlin Clark. Like what's the Jason Tatum like thing or the commercial or what? Like he doesn't have that magnetism that she has. Right. You know? Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:37:36 I care about insurance because of Caitlin Clark. She was like in an insurance commercial and I was like, I should get renter's insurance I think. Luka? She was like in an insurance commercial, and I was like, I should get renter's insurance, I think. I think. I think. Luca? I just don't understand that when they say Tatum's boring, I don't really know what that means
Starting point is 00:37:55 in the context of the NBA now. It means that they're frustrated. It means he's not tweeting enough? Is he not doing enough Instagram videos? What's boring? Yeah, we were talking about Kevin Durant earlier. He's the only player who has improved his image because of social media or making himself available.
Starting point is 00:38:11 He's the only guy who knows how to do it. Everybody else is bad at it. Well, it comes down to authenticity, right? Yeah. So KD, whether you like him, don't like him, can bitch about the warrior's decision, whatever. He really seems like who he is. He's the most authentic of all these guys. can bitch about the Warriors decision, whatever. He really seems like who he is.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Like he's the most authentic of all these guys. Tatum's pretty authentic. He's just, you know, plays basketball, works out, loves his son. Is Caitlin Clark the most popular basketball player under 30? I mean, she's definitely like appointment television, right? Like if she's going off, people are going to be like, we got to turn this on, you got to turn this on. How many basketball players? What was that? Brawny.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Brawny? Yeah, definitely. Those are those G League games? Me and all the fellas? Is this watching some G League? Yeah. Brawny is the best thing that's ever happened to go in a Laker game, because if it's a blowout, everyone stays for Bronte.
Starting point is 00:39:07 You could just leave and get your car. It's like, this is great. Get out of here. Do you think it would have been funny if Lebron had backed out of the All-Star game and inserted Bronte in his place? That would have been cool. He should just start doing stuff. I mean, would you have been surprised?
Starting point is 00:39:24 Adam Solver would be like, what can I do? I don't have nothing, no power here. Before we get to the big thing we're doing, who's winning the finals? Give us a pick. Give us a finals pick, a matchup and a winner. I still think Boston wins. I don't see anybody that's beating them, but as they're going to beat okay, see and five, sadly, what do you got shot? Yeah, I think it's Boston. It is really painful.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Shut up. It's really painful knowing having a like rooting for a great team and knowing that they're what I want them to be, but knowing that they're still just like one inch below a couple of other teams. That's painful. You've been there before. You've never been there. I just want to say, well, I'm fine. What do you have? CR the maps? Yeah, maps and six over Boston. Derek Lively makes a great comeback. No, I think it's the thunder. I think the Thunder are like, historically good.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Thunder over Celtics. Did you, what's your pick, Bill? I mean, I'm sticking with Celtics OKC because it was the preseason. I think Cleveland's really good. I actually think that they've somehow become underrated and undervalued. The Hunter trade was great.
Starting point is 00:40:42 They're going to have home court every round for the first three How you feeling about second row Joe these days? First of all, we call him coach Joe. Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to disrespect him I don't know where I got that my dad's my dad's getting a little gamey with him lately hasn't really liked some of the subs he's come home complaining a couple times, but He's fine. It's a hunger thing with them. We just saw with the Eagles and the Chiefs, we always forget the hunger piece with sports,
Starting point is 00:41:11 where the Chiefs, they're complaining, it's like, oh, the Super Bowl, we do this every year, and the Eagles are like, I'll fucking kill five small children to win this one game, you know? And at some point, the hunger piece is a real thing, and you're playing like Cleveland or okay See these teams that have never been there and you won last year. It's that little extra something. That's the part that worries me I think all right. It's time
Starting point is 00:41:34 So you guys don't know what we're about to do The the lamest the most overused gimmick at a live show is to do a draft of something. And we're gonna do that anyway. But we have a twist. We are going to draft sports movie characters who play basketball, and we're going to make a team out of them. And the catch is going to be for the two assistant coaches, the GM and the owner, are going to be from heist movies. And we're gonna build our team.
Starting point is 00:42:11 And I swear this is all gonna make sense. And we're gonna pick- We're gonna be here for like two and a half hours, by the way. No, it's, we're picking a starting five, a six man, a bench player who has to be a real bench player. It can't just be like a starter who's coming up the bench. We're gonna be a real bench player. It can't just be like a starter just coming out the bench. We're going to pick a basketball movie coach.
Starting point is 00:42:28 So it's like Coach Carter, those type of things. And then two assistants from a heist movie. A GM from a heist movie and an owner from a heist movie. So much stuff. This is going to be very long. It's not going to be that long. Shay, you have the first picks since you drove an hour to come here. All right. Wait, I have notes. Let me get my notes. We flew like four hours. Why does he have to go to the road?
Starting point is 00:42:49 Shay drove. All right, I got the first pick. Let me pick... I'm gonna pick this guy because automatically, my team is gonna be better than everybody else's if I have this character. And I don't think he's on anybody else's list anyway, but I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna get him.
Starting point is 00:43:05 I'm gonna pick Elliot Richards from the movie Bedazzled. Okay, everybody familiar with Elliot Richards? That's great. In Bedazzled, Brendan Fraser, Elizabeth Hurley, she plays the devil, he plays a guy who's asking for wishes. At one point, he wishes to be an NBA player, and she's like, poof, you're an NBA player. The hook, every wish he makes, he gets,
Starting point is 00:43:26 there's like a bad part, with an NBA player, he has a really small penis. So then he's like, nevermind, I don't wanna do this anymore. But he's an NBA player for one game, and in the game he plays, he has 104 points, 45 rebounds, 32 assists, 37 steals, 28 blocks. He's 7'6", and he shoots 100% from three. Wow.
Starting point is 00:43:51 You can't... This is Shaq and Steph Curry mushed together. Nice. Foundational piece. So you're taking him as a center. I'm taking him as a center. Yeah, big men are at a premium in a fictional basketball player draft. Stretch five, though.
Starting point is 00:44:09 But not downstairs. Yeah. I... I... I... I... By the way, I forgot to say three rules for this. No cartoon characters, space jams out.
Starting point is 00:44:21 No... No... No... See, a lot of Lola Bunny fans. How dare you groan at our dumb rules that we made up five minutes ago. No NBA players as themselves... I thought we each get one. ...except with one exception.
Starting point is 00:44:36 If you want. But it can't just be like, I take whoever... Jason White Chocolate Williams, because he was an Eddie playing Jason White Chocolate Williams. And then... Well, you can, but that's just the only one you can take. Right. Right, okay. And that's it.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And nobody from Celtic Pride because that movie sucked. But not allowed to do that. And we'll go stank fashion. Sean, you're up. Shoot. I didn't have Brendan Fraser's character from Bedazzled on my board. Is he a fire scout? I knew you wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:45:05 It's a tough one. Well the first name I wrote down is Jesus Shuttlesworth from He Got Game, which has the added benefit of being a great movie. And you know, honestly, there are not a lot of great basketball movies, which you realize when you're going through this, a lot of great basketball characters, but Jesus was loosely modeled on a Lebron ask figure, somebody who could come as they step on Marbury could save could save the game. Yeah, memorably played by Ray Allen in the movie and he had it all and he
Starting point is 00:45:37 had incredible range handle good defender, good team guys, teammates loved him. He had a lot of fun at big state on his trip there. So he seems like an obvious centerpiece of my team. Yeah, good pick. So Jesus, you know, it's really we did. He got game. I can't remember when for rewatchables. I just Ray Allen was just such a one on one with his basketball style. So like I just miss, I wish there such a one-on-one with his basketball style.
Starting point is 00:46:10 I wish there was somebody like him now, but it's even fun to watch him in that movie. CR, you're up. I'll take Neon Bordeaux from Blue Chips as my center. 520 on the SATs and misspelled his own name, but culturally biased. I think once we get him into our program and we just get let our culture loose on him, it'll work and I get my big man. So I'm really excited. So I thought he was going to be the first pick.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Me too. Because he's... But then I didn't know Shay was going to pick first. I could have told you he wouldn't. Yeah. He's dominant in blue chips. It's Young Shack. Skinny Shack.
Starting point is 00:46:47 How do we feel about blue chips? Pro blue chips. Great movie. It's one of those movies that I was disappointed by for like 15 years. And then around 2009, I was like, this movie's fucking awesome. It's the best basketball we've ever seen in a movie. Because they just set the camera down here and just followed And they had all the best guys from nine pretty hardly. I just running like real games I forgot that patino coaches Western, Texas. Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:47:15 All right, I guess I'm up with two picks so There's a lot of guys left on the board that I like. And I'm taking an owner pick out of the gate. Wow. I'm sorry, a GM pick. I'm taking Neil McCauley from Heat. Okay. I have to have him.
Starting point is 00:47:32 He's got to be on my team. Why you so unsure what I do, lady? I really feel like, you know, he's methodical. Little Sam Prestige-ish. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you call Neil McCauley and you're like, uh, you know, he's methodical little Sam Prestige. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you call Neil McCauley and you're like, we, we need Paul George because that's how we're going to get quiet Leonard. Neil McCauley would hold out for SGA and the six first rounders. But what is his version of going back for Wayne grow? It's a good question. Panic trading chat. You know, you don't want to do that. But that's why I'm here, because that's where you talk Neil out of like,
Starting point is 00:48:08 don't know, dude, we won the Paul George trade. Don't go after Wainwright. If Blinger calls Neil McCauley for Luca, does he go, there's a dead man on the other end of this phone? So the guy that you want running your team... My GM. ...is, his whole team dies. Except for one who's holedis his whole team dies. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:25 Except for one who's holed up somewhere. He dies. Yeah. And the only rule that he ever says he has immediately breaks the first time it comes into play. That's... I was the guy running your team. I was really impressed with some of his heists.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Put in the stuff on the, you know, what are those things called? The things that blink the tires? Yeah, not only the ambulance, but then putting that across the way they, I don't know, I just like how it is. Got the job, all right. All right, my other pick. So, I mean this is a layup, but Fish That Saves Pittsburgh, Julie Serving plays Moses Guthrie.
Starting point is 00:49:06 And it's right, he still has his knees, it's like right after the ABA-NBA merger, and he's just crushing it in real life. He's in the movie, there's a playground scene where he takes a girl on a date, and then starts dunking for her with slow motion, with like romantic music. That's the absolute best. And it just lights out, tour de force. starts dunking for her with slow motion, with like romantic music.
Starting point is 00:49:25 And it just lights out. Tour de force. Women love that by the way. Yeah. They love it. Well, it started 50 years of people doing that on dates. Anyway, he's on my team too. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Shay, is that, no, Chris you're up. Oh, we're going to go around. Yeah, we're going back. We're sneak drafting. Okay. I think I'll take Billy Hoyle from White Man Can't Jump. I like it. I like it. It's a little bit of a debate as to whether Billy or Sidney
Starting point is 00:49:55 are who's better. I know that they played right into my hands. But I think Billy just has that sense of fashion that flair that big game appetite. I love it. I would say that so go ahead, so it was it's because he's white yeah, that's why Billy Hoyle great character, very inspiring to a young me, but also a complete fiction. The idea of that guy balling out
Starting point is 00:50:25 on the Venice courts, absolute nonsense. Sydney Dean would have broken his ankles a hundred times out of a hundred. I've seen videos of the professor on that same court doing that same stuff. Just yeah, that was AI. We were watching um, what he was a witty as as Billy Hoyle, very Austin Reeves ish. Yeah, watch us the reeds now that kind of herky jerky cross. And if he hadn't had Woody as Billy Hoyle, very Austin Reeves-ish. We watch Austin Reeves now. That kind of herky-jerky cross-over. And if he hadn't had the distraction of Rosie Perez being on Jeopardy, who knows what he could have achieved, you know?
Starting point is 00:50:54 Or just the distraction of Rosie Perez in general. What about the Sanuki brothers? Right? That was kind of a cue for... CR, do you see Neon Boudou and Billy Hoyle running a lot of pick and roll or high school stuff? Well, we have to see how my back court fills out bill, but thank you for asking. Okay, Sean, what he got? I'll just take Sydney Dean so nobody else can take him. We can close out white man can't jump right here unless you want to take some of the guys there. I have people, nobody's picking. I
Starting point is 00:51:20 just think Sydney Dean and Jesus in my back court. We've got a lot of speed, power, we're gonna be really hard to defend at the rim. We've got range. I'm feeling good about my back court so far. Also, I you know I had my i Neil just to make you mad, but you jumped up, jumped the line, so I'm gonna make the crowd mad. I didn't think was this nice was good at basketball. I never bought the high dribble lot of this. Yeah, Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boo. So, anyway, congrats, Sean, great pick. Uh...
Starting point is 00:52:05 I feel like Yannis didn't pick up a basketball till he was like 15. Not fair. Kind of a similar situation. Quick study. All right. Shay, you have two picks. I'm on the edge of my seat. I have two picks.
Starting point is 00:52:15 All right. You don't know how we're going to defend that backcourt. I'm going to tell you how we're going to defend that backcourt. Number one, we still have Elia Richards who's seven foot six. But give me Wood Harris from above the rim. Oh my god, you're going with Wood first? I want Wood Harris because I want a guy who, if he's gonna lose, he's fucking shooting up a court.
Starting point is 00:52:34 This is a man who takes winning and losing very seriously. That's how we defend. They go like, we can't beat... No, it's Wayne Martin. Let's lose this game, because he's got a fucking Uzi in his Adidas bag. And I don't want to deal with that. So you have Wood as a forward?
Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Small forward. Okay. Yeah. And what do you have for your other pick? I need a point guard, and I need a person who can get the ball around. I need a proven champion. I need somebody with a little bit of blood lust.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Give me Monica Wright from Love and Basketball. That's what I need. I was rewatching it recently. That's a good basketball movie. It is. Right? But there's a part in it early on where the first time we meet her,
Starting point is 00:53:15 she's the little girl version of her, and she walks up to the boys, they're all playing, it's three boys, and she's like, hey, can I play? She's got a hat on, and they're like, oh yeah, sure, and she takes the hat off. Oh my god, it's a girl, whatever, becomes the whole thing. They're like talking shit about her,
Starting point is 00:53:28 and then immediately, immediately, she fucking starts putting them in the blender. Just bucket after bucket after bucket, and then she's going up for one bucket, Quincy has gotten fed up, he shoves her in the back, she falls down, her face drags on the floor, she picks it up, it's covered in blood, and then we cut to her in the house,
Starting point is 00:53:44 cleaning it, and she's fucking smiling. I'm like picks it up, it's covered in blood. And then we cut to her in the house, cleaning it, and she's fucking smiling. And I'm like, hell yeah, that's a hooper. That's the only person who can play point guard on a team with a guy with an Uzi in his Adidas bag. That's who I need. I'm feeling real good about my team right now. Well, you went for toughness.
Starting point is 00:54:03 Wood Harris, Bondi McCall, and a seven foot six guy who played one game. Who do you have, Sean? I'll also be selecting a stretch five, another incredible athlete with a gift we've not seen before. I'll be taking Sandy Lyle from Along Came Polly as portrayed by Philip Seymour Hoffman. All right.
Starting point is 00:54:25 I'm putting him in your bench spot. Okay. Well, I don't know what you mean by that because raindrop I had him on my board. What do you have CR? Didn't your turn? No, it's it. I picked no you're you're doing to now.
Starting point is 00:54:44 All right. It's business. He hasn't No, you're, you're doing two now. All right. Uh, it's business. He hasn't picked in a while, right? Did I screw this up? Yeah. You went this way. Then we went that way. You picked two.
Starting point is 00:54:56 Then you went back to me. Then we went this way. Then you went. This is going great. It's your turn. It's your turn. No, it's. This is going to your turn. It's your turn. No, it's
Starting point is 00:55:13 fantasy, fantasy's third pick was what he just make a third. I just took Sandy Lyle. Yeah. Yeah. So you have three. Yeah, we're doing this correctly. Okay, go and then bill goes to and then you go back my turn my yeah I cut this out of the pod. I can't cut this. No, you go and then I go I'll turn the fucking tick tock camera on I'm taking Jimmy Chitwood from Hoosiers another white guy
Starting point is 00:55:45 great thing. It works for the Lakers. It works for Team Chris. It's fine. Clutch just absolutely nails. He's mostly been playing on farmland for most of his life. So I feel like when we get him into a modern sports science program, who knows what he could do?
Starting point is 00:56:03 It's a great pick. He did quit on his team. And came back. He did come back. All right? It's a great pick. He did quit on his team and came back. He did come back All right, that's a good pick. He was on my board. Yeah, no shit. He was on your board Now this is I'm going with guys who were awesome in real life when they were making the movie Which brings me to hustler from fast break a movie that none of you have ever seen fast break movie that came out in 1979. Bernard King plays Hustler, who's like a pool guy who ended up not going to college, but he was an All-American.
Starting point is 00:56:34 And if you watch Fast Break, it's just Bernard King just being amazing. So I'm putting him with Dr. J. And I'm kicking ass with those two guys. Plus, I have a team of Moses Guthrie, Hussler, and Neil McCauley as my GM. I'm feeling great. So there's two. And then I'm so excited. This guy's on the board. Anita Center is a little undersized.
Starting point is 00:56:57 And Teen Wolf... You can't make him your center? Are you serious? I'm not taking Teen Wolf. Oh, okay. No, I'm taking Big Body. If you've watched Teen Wolf enough, number 45, white guy. Teen Wolf, you know, he turned into a wolf than he did in the last game.
Starting point is 00:57:16 He got all the praise. The school rallied around him. They're selling merch. Teen Wolf, are we sure he's good? No, well, he was great. Number 45 is just fucking carrying them. You watch that movie. He's protecting the rim. He's rebounding. He's doing everything. It's like heroic to watch. I don't know what
Starting point is 00:57:36 his name was that I don't even know if he was in the credits, but if you watch he's like 15, 12 and five in the final game. This is an iconic draft from you. So I'm going number 45 on Teen Wolf as my fourth pick. Chris, you're up. I'm up again? Yeah. Okay. I'll take Shep from above the rim.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Our advanced analytics team loves this. 40 points in two minutes. He's 14 for from Above the Rim. Our advanced analytics team loves this. 40 points in two minutes. Yeah. He's 14 for 14 from the field. Just like bombing away from three way before 3 and D was a thing. So more reball. And corduroy pants.
Starting point is 00:58:16 I know, he was still in his work clothes. Imagine if he was wearing shorts. This guy's will. You know, now if they did Above the Rim now, those would be all threes. Yeah. They were like, there was a couple of threes in there, though. Wasn't there?
Starting point is 00:58:29 He had ten threes in that game. Ten for ten. I thought he was just taking like 17 footers. No, no, no. Go back and watch the tape, man. Come on. We studied it. Get on second spectrum. He's using money from the top of the key.
Starting point is 00:58:39 So I have Shep from Above the Rim. I like that. That's a really good pick. And he goes in with your team of quitters. Quit ship quit. Neon tried to quit Billy. Who tried to quit his relationship. You're up Sean.
Starting point is 00:58:55 I'm going to take some a more recent vintage of player and the most recent great basketball movie hustle starring Adam Sandler. Oh, I like this and I'll take Bo Cruz, I portrayed by one show her and Gomez. He's on the board great pick one show need a big man obviously a bit of an unknown coming overseas really needed a strong voice and advocate for his game and frankly we need his size on our squad, his size unselfish. Yes, I thought you were going to go Edwards there.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Shit, Shay has two picks. I got two. Jimmy Chitwood, great pick, very clutch. There's only been one player ever in fictional basketball who was more clutch than Jimmy. And that's Snake Plissken from Escape from LA. He's in the full court torture chamber of death. He's got to hit five shots before the 10-second clock goes...whatever.
Starting point is 00:59:50 It ends with him throwing a full court shot. Yeah. Yeah. Throwing a full court shot. The first...let me explain what happens. No, start at the beginning of escape. Yeah. They have a basketball court with guys with guns all are all around it. They've captured snake
Starting point is 01:00:05 They have him in the basketball court the guy in charge some whatever bad guy tells him hey, you got to score 10 points I'm gonna put 10 seconds on the shot clock you get the ball at half court every time you score the clock reset itself, and if you don't score 10 points before The clock reset itself, or if you miss a shot, we're gonna shoot you and you're gonna die or 10 points before the clock resets itself, or if you miss a shot, we're gonna shoot you and you're gonna die. So the first one, he makes a layup, easy, but he bobbles it a little bit
Starting point is 01:00:29 so he doesn't get all the way down. So the second shot, he has to shoot like a 15 footer. Now he's gotta shoot a three pointer. And then his last two shots, he has to shoot from half court, fucking drills it, and then full court with his life on the line. With one eye. He's got one eye. and he fucking drills it. It's as clutch as it gets.
Starting point is 01:00:50 What'd you think of Kurt Russell's shooting form? He's 100% from the field dude. I don't care what it looks like. I don't care. Fucking Sean Marion that bitch up there. I don't care. Let that thing go. He's so cool. He's such a cool guy too. Such a cool guy. Great. He came to my podcast once. Great. He came by himself. It was 10 in the morning. He was wearing a leather jacket. It was 78 degrees outside.
Starting point is 01:01:14 And he stunk of cigarettes. And I was just like, you're fucking awesome. I'm sorry. From you. Sean, you're up. Wait, I got one more. Oh, you were up. Sorry. I didn't do my last pick.
Starting point is 01:01:26 I need a wild card. I need a guy who's gonna do something nobody else is gonna do. Give me David from Prometheus, the android. You fucking stole that from me, man. Yeah, see? There's one scene where he's playing basketball.
Starting point is 01:01:39 He's riding a bicycle and shooting hook shots. He's shooting three hook shots. On the bike, drilling it. And you know what the best thing about David is you don't have to worry about load man you don't have to worry about load management he's an Android his head cut off comes back to work the next day. Unbeatable team yeah so is that a forward or a guard that's a guard that's a guard. That's my shooting guard. Android guy? Okay. That's my five.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Wow, it's quite a team you got. Thank you. Bedazzled guy, Wood Harris, Mono McCall, Android, and Snake Puskin on Shay's team right now. Going 82 and 0. Couple spots left. What do you got, Sean? I've got an incredibly flexible roster, but I need an owner, my man, a stress, somebody who I can really trust, somebody who's got big ideas, who knows how to continue building out a front office, no necos in
Starting point is 01:02:38 this business, so I'm going Joe Cabot from Reservoir Dogs as a you know, we know how he knows how to put a job together. We know he's just a me owner. What's that is his owner? GM he's owner, okay, and he also loves his Nepal baby son gave him a job in the front, which is very owner behavior, and I'm just really excited about what we're going to do together and also he loves colors so he's gonna be great with uniforms nice job that's a really nice pick thank you what CR all right so I have Shep I've got chipwood I've got oil and I've got neon it's a great team
Starting point is 01:03:20 for not enough balls for that team I think think I need a glue guy. I need a bench guy who's going to keep everybody loose. So I'm going to go with Jim Carroll from basketball diaries played by Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. Okay. I love the idea of him getting Jimmy Chitwood into heroin. Mix it up. Six man. Yeah. Deep dead deep bench, another white guy. I know I'm sorry about that by accident. This is the I this is that everybody right. I feel somehow emboldened as a good laugh, Bill. I have two picks. This is a big part of the draft for me. I need a guard. Right now I have number 45 from Team Wolf at center, Moses Guthrie, Hustler, and Neil McCauley is my
Starting point is 01:04:20 GM. And I'm going to take Butch McCrae from Blue Chips. Keeping my philosophy of real life basketball players playing characters, this is Penny Hardaway. He had not ended up on Orlando yet. And I just want to tell you, because this was over 30 years ago, them drafting Penny Hardaway to play with Shaq, but they were both in a movie together,
Starting point is 01:04:42 might have been the single coolest thing in 1993. Like that hit all my interest points at the same time. Shaq but they were both in a movie together. Might have been the single coolest thing in 1993. Anyway, so we'll take him and then I can't believe he's still on the board. I think I'm going to use him as my bench guy. Fletch during the dream sequence. Yeah. Fletch with the Afro. You know, it's not a long scene, but you can see there's a lot going on there. He's just a force. The other team didn't know what was happening.
Starting point is 01:05:15 So Fletch with the Afro is my bench guy. What do you got, CR? I'll take Tupac from above the rim as my coach. Oh, Birdie. Birdie. I'll take to pack from above the rim as my coach. Oh birdie yeah erdy interesting motivational techniques communication style and I just think that this is a team of guys like you've mentioned quitters and perhaps to pock will motivate them to do otherwise little razor blade yeah I balance out all that white. So I have to is I don't know. Now Sean's now Sean's got yeah
Starting point is 01:05:54 lot of guys left. Yeah, I'm going to take I'm going to I'm going to slide shuttles worth to the three okay, and I'm going to take Uncle Drew in the cinematic masterpiece, so I carry a ring, which is the film I've not seen, but I have seen that commercial and that old man can ball out so that he'll be bringing it up for us. Great, so you're a little smaller. Yeah, trying to counter all that all the. Shay, you got two.
Starting point is 01:06:28 I got two for my sixth man in my deep bench. Sixth man? Not a sixth man at all. He's a sixth dog. Give me air, bud. A champion. The greatest winner in sports movie history. Championship in basketball, he plays volleyball, championship in volleyball. He plays soccer, championship in soccer.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Baseball? Fucking played baseball, he won a championship. That kid's a winner. Give me your air butt. It's a movie that only makes sense when you have a kid. Yeah. Because it came out, I was like, this is the fucking stupidest thing ever. And then you have like a five-year-old and they're like,
Starting point is 01:07:10 what is this? It's like Gone With The Wind. The five-year-old. So this is the greatest cinematic achievement anyone's made. A dog scoring baskets. Gone With The Wind is a weirdly popular movie in my locker room, actually. Yeah, right. Billy and Chip, which is like, I love this part. For my deep bend... Wait, are we allowed to pick TV as well, or is it only movies?
Starting point is 01:07:42 No movies. Don't try to cheat. Okay, I was... You already took the bedazzled guy. You have a dog on your team for Christ's sake. I was going to grab Jim from the office because he was a fucking monster. But if I can't have him, then I need a deep bench person. Give me Spaceman from Sunset Park. Does anybody remember?
Starting point is 01:08:01 Yeah. Young Terrence Howard. Yeah, Terrence Howard. Right? Rhea Perlman's coaching this inner city team. They're getting beat real bad in a game. She's yelling at him at halftime. And he plays the crazy kid on the team that nobody talks to.
Starting point is 01:08:14 And she's screaming at him. And she's like, is there anybody in here who's not afraid to play this other team? And then they all look at him and they just go, no, no, no, no, no. And then it cuts to him diving after loose balls and taking charges and crashing into people and smiling. And it's just great. It's a great moment. I need a guy coming off the bench running into people. Give me space, man.
Starting point is 01:08:35 I just want to say we've known each other a long time and you had seven player spots. You not taking Timo Cruz from Coach Carter is the most shocking moment of my year so far. I don't need him. I don't need him. I just can't believe it. He can't do anything better than the guys on my team. Can't do it. I tell you what,
Starting point is 01:08:55 Coach Carter would not have sent bedazzled home. I tell you that. I tell you that. Sean, what do you got? I tell you that I tell you that Sean. What do you got tough one got Uncle Drew like that down Jesus shows worth Sydney Dean. We're closing out the blue chips, triumvirate. I need a I need to stretch for so I'm going with Ricky Roe, the real pride of Indiana, who is the
Starting point is 01:09:26 horniest, greediest dickhead in the history of basketball movies, but who has an incredible stroke as portrayed by Matt Nover, and I'm referring of course to his bed game. Yeah, why are you staring right at me? You're saying what I think Ricky Roe, I think C R and so we're going to be playing seven seconds or less Phoenix on style. That's
Starting point is 01:09:49 what I'm thinking. I like it C R would that go over well if I did that. Let's think about it for a second. I my owner, I've been thinking about this a lot, from a heist film, I'm gonna go with Kristo from the Town, played by Blake Lively. I just think Blake Lively in the owner's box is box office, that's just absolutely amazing content. And do I get a second pick here or is it just one? No.
Starting point is 01:10:25 Okay. I have no idea what the order is anymore. No, you only pick once. Okay, I'll take Blake Lively as my owner. So you're taking Kristo from the town. Yes. Shine's mom. Yes.
Starting point is 01:10:38 Shine's mom. Oh. And who's Shine's dad? I think it's supposed to be, the implication is it might be Doug, right? But it's going to be Rosilla. Yeah. I can't believe somebody threw out the Ed Norton. My scouts did look at it. The two-hand dunk.
Starting point is 01:11:02 His real name was Derek Vineyard. I'm not taking him. Team chemistry was too risky. Yeah. Just didn't seem like a great move. When I got to Austin, I went to Kirk's house. I was hanging out with Kirk, and he was trying to convince me to take Derek. He was like the advanced analytics say you should take the not-
Starting point is 01:11:18 He was unbelievable. He was like, it's worth the risk. It's worth the risk. I don't think it is. It's worth the risk. That's what the risk. I don't think it is. It's worth the risk. That's what guys were saying in Eco-Harrison. It's worth the risk. Kirk's showing you his shot chart.
Starting point is 01:11:33 His shots are in the shape of a swastika. Yeah. On his shot chart. Oh. I could not make that joke. I'm taking as my owner, Danny Ocean. There you go. Interesting. There you go.
Starting point is 01:12:00 Handsome. Good as job. Yeah. He'll represent us well. I think the fans will like him. Handsome. He'll represent us well. I think the fans will like him. I have some questions about Neil reporting to Danny. That's one of the reasons we have Danny. Yeah. Yeah. And then for one of my assistant coaches,
Starting point is 01:12:29 I'm just going to lock him down. Also from Heat. Michael Charetto, played by Tom Sizemore. I just feel like you need him every once in a while for that. For me, the action is the juice. Like, you just need him in the room for the big moments. So he's on there, too. I got him. Sorry, CR.
Starting point is 01:12:52 That's okay. Just one pick or two picks now? You get five picks now. Five picks. You always have one pick. All right. For my assistant coach, I'm going to do Rusty from Ocean's Eleven. Just absolute, like, when the coach yells at you, when Tupac's done yelling at them,
Starting point is 01:13:11 Rusty will just be like, sorry, guys, don't worry about it. Like, he's not really going to kill you after the game. They're like... So, yeah, I'll go with Rusty for assistant coach. I like it. Sean? For my coach, I'll be taking Jack Cunningham from the way back because we know that Jack knows how to how to fight the good fight and inspire and I we need to find a way to beat seven foot six Brendan
Starting point is 01:13:36 Fraser somehow so I feel like draw up some interesting plays for our seven seconds or less. How do you see Jack working with Sandy Lyle on your team? Well, I see some potential issues, but I'm excited to see what jacket pull together. I say you got to all righty. I need a coach. Yeah, you sure do and I need a coach who can handle a devil wish man, a guy with an Uzi, a point guard with blood lust, an android, and a one-eyed mercenary. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:09 And there's only one guy we've seen in any movie who could, I think, handle that lineup. That's Coach Finstock from Teen Wolf. Yeah. He's just sitting on a bench. One of his players turns into a werewolf. And he looks and he's like, fuck it. Ball up top, baby.
Starting point is 01:14:30 That's right. That's who I need coaching my team. So give me him. You know, just as an aside on coach, because he was on my board. He was the one who had the three rules. Always get 12 hours of sleep. Never play cards with a guy who's got the first name as a city. And never go near a lady who has a dagger on her body.
Starting point is 01:14:53 You stick with that and everything else is cream cheese. That was Coach Vinsock. An absolute legend. He was on my board. We're winning a championship. For my owner, I'm gonna go the sort of same strategy you win. I need a guy who pulled off the perfect heist. Give me Dalton Russell from Inside Man. That's what I need. Nobody dies, he walks away a hero and very rich. Give me that guy. I want him running my stuff.
Starting point is 01:15:23 Alright Sean, we're running out of spots. You have you have two assistant spots a jam spot. I know that's a I have a GM spot still yeah. You have a jam spot so yeah and I'm gonna I'm going double afleck. I'm going Tom Redfly Davis from Triple Frontier, so oh wow like we'll be reporting to Afleck never before seen doubling in a basketball characters, movie draft great idea and Red Fly, of course, fails miserably at the end of Triple Frontier killed. Nevertheless, I trust him to run this franchise
Starting point is 01:15:57 effectively to a championship that is. Can I ask the crowd right? Where do you guys stand on Triple Frontier and see that's why it's on the list. It's excellent. It's excellent. It's on the rewatchables list. Affleck reporting to Affleck, I'm back around. Sean Finnessy's the smartest person I've ever met. I'm back, I'm back.
Starting point is 01:16:15 That's great. CR, do you think you have one pick or two right now? I think I have one. Don't flip it on me, I just didn't understand what you were doing. What do you got? What do I have left? You need a forward spot, a bench spot, an assistant coach, and a GM. All right.
Starting point is 01:16:36 For my bench spot, I'm going to go Jackie Moon from Semi Pro. You never know when he could just light it up like just absolute great vibes guy what race is he? You have Jimmy Chitwood Billy Hoyle Jim Caroll and Jackie Moon Christmas franchise is played in Utah Or Boston yeah All right, so now I have to Boston, yeah. All right. So now I have two. I really need a coach, but you need a coach too, right?
Starting point is 01:17:13 Oh, you took a coach. Who needs a coach? I did, I did. Am I the only one that needs a coach? I have Tupac, he has Ben Affleck. Oh yeah, all right. So, I need one more assistant. Oh yeah. All right. I need one more assistant.
Starting point is 01:17:32 I thought long and hard about Jim from the town, but I just feel like somebody who gets murdered, that's probably a bad idea. But I really like this guy, and I think he's like a Tom Thibodeau, 2008 type. I know exactly what you're going to say. Who am I going to say? Give her a little taste.
Starting point is 01:17:44 No. Fergus from the town? The flower shop? 2008 type. I know exactly what you're going to say. Who am I going to say? Give her a little taste. No. Fergus from the town. The flower shop? Yeah. No, I'm taking a banjo of that movie. I'm taking a Merriman from Den of Thieves. Good planner, takes his work seriously. Family guy.
Starting point is 01:18:05 Donnie planned that heist. Merriman family guy. Yeah, but Donnie planned it. I got family here, bro. Benihana, just trying to enjoy a nice silent dinner with his family. So, I got Merriman, so that gives me, I have all my assistants.
Starting point is 01:18:23 I'm not hiring my head coach yet. I still need a guard and I still need a six man. And Teen Wolf is still on the board. And you know what? Not any longer. So I'm taking Teen Wolf. I'm gonna have Scott Howard and Teen Wolf. I get them both.
Starting point is 01:18:40 And we'll just decide game to game if he's gonna be the human or the Teen Wolf. And maybe even during the game he'll turn into Teen Wolf, but I think it'd be really hard to prepare for. So you just go in the game and you're like, is he gonna do the wolf thing today or is he just gonna be, oh he's just a five foot four point guard, I can't triple today. But the other team's gonna be on their toes, so I'm taking Teen Wolf. Chris, you're up again. Alright, so I need a six man and an assistant coach.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Yep. Edward! And can we do that freaking... That would be... Edward, that would be funny for the social video they make where people are like, what the fuck happened in Austin? for the social video they make where people are like, what the fuck happened in Austin? Ha ha ha ha.
Starting point is 01:19:29 We can do the, like, NBA player playing themselves, just one pick. Do it. All right, LeBron from Trainwreck. Yeah. Plays basketball. Why, boo, you guys really want me to take Norton? They want to be not...
Starting point is 01:19:42 Sorry for just trying to put together a diverse locker room, Austin. Ha ha ha ha. They want to just try to put together a diverse locker room, Austin. You, you just entered a world of shit. It's every, every December he's going to be talking about how it needs more help. Yeah. Wait, so like, I don't know if chef from above the rim is enough and forward. We got to get a better score. We told Krista from the town talks to him for five minutes. Here's the Brian. Here's the Pekka set.
Starting point is 01:20:14 All right, fantasy Europe and you need a I need two assistants and you need a center. I have you with three spots left. What about want your her and Gomez? I have him at you can have a mid-set forward. Do you have a center. I have him at a. Ricky Rose at four. Here's what I have for your team.
Starting point is 01:20:40 Uncle Drew, Sydney Dean, Ricky Roe, and Sandy Lyle as your six players and watch over and go yeah, that's that's Bo Cruz six guys. Yeah, but you got you can have a seventh. Okay, so I need one more player and two assistant coaches. Yes, okay, I'll come back to the player because I have a good idea for that one, but I'm not drafting Kazam. You door I one of my assistants. I need like a live wire. I need a real mouthy guy. You don't totally know what he's going to do. Wain grow. I'm going with Danny sharp as portrayed by Jake Gyllenhaal in ambulance, who deep pull good ambulance, which might be the best movie of the decade and
Starting point is 01:21:23 featuring an incredible performance by Jill and Hall and you know sometimes you there's a guy who's behind the guy who you're like that guy's gonna get fired tonight because he keeps yelling at the best player yeah that's Danny sure sure from my team coked out wearing a turtle neck. Did you like ambulance? I do like ambulance yeah it just hasn't gotten me yet, but I know it will. It'll get you. It's just one of those things. I know it's going to happen at some point.
Starting point is 01:21:47 It just hasn't happened yet. Let us know. Yeah, I'll let you know. I'll keep you all posted. Shay, you got two. All right. So here's Shay's team. Oh, tell them.
Starting point is 01:21:55 Bedazzled Brendan Fraser, Snake Plissken, Wood Harris. What was his character? Muta? Yeah, I don't know. He's just Wood Harris all the time. Monica McCall, Android Guy. What movie his character? Muta? Yeah, I don't know. He's just Wood Harris all the time. Monica McCall. Android guy.
Starting point is 01:22:08 What movie was that? Oh, Prometheus. Air Bud. Space Man. Coach Finstock. Coaching. And Dalton Russell is the owner. So you need two assistants and a GM. For my GM, I need
Starting point is 01:22:24 somebody who's going to outsmart everybody. And because of that, I'm gonna pick this person who she pulls off the coolest move in any heist movie that's ever been done. It's a small thing. It's in set it off. They break in to rob the bank, they're doing the, everybody put your hands down or whatever.
Starting point is 01:22:41 They all get out, all the customers get down on the floor and then the undercover cop starts to pull his gun out And then there's TT was hiding with it She was pretending like she was a customer because she knew somebody was gonna do that. She outsmarted them all That's why I want running my team. Give me TT from set it off. She's a fucking genius TT is her GM. Yeah, she's my GM and Then for my assistant coach, I think Chris was right, you picked the wrong person from Den of Thieves. Give me Donnie, give me the mastermind.
Starting point is 01:23:09 That's who I want. I need a guy just like the GM, I mean the assistant should be the guy who leans over and is like, you should try this. And then the head coach tries it and it works out. Yeah, it's like the guy who came up with like starting Draymond or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Like the triangle with Bill Jackson with did you just tell me that Ray Merriman was a bad pick? Yeah, I hear you say those words. The great movie
Starting point is 01:23:31 is a bad pick to run your team. So the system he's just there for the defense fantasy. What do you got? Well, I need another player and it would not be a ringer related movie draft without Tom Cruise, so I'm going with Brian planning it from cocktail. Wow, it's a great pack. He gets buckets. Obviously he's not guarded in that film. He's taking wide open free throws, barely making them barely looks like he's ever held a basketball before they shot that sequence
Starting point is 01:24:03 and yet he looks amazing. So I'm going to play dollars a shot right. That's right. Well, where are you putting them because you can't put them at forward because Tom Cruz is five foot eight. Is he is he guard? See he's your sixth man. He's my sixth man. Yeah. All right. That's a good pick. Thanks. I learned. I learned by watching you, Dad.
Starting point is 01:24:26 See, cocktail's a good example. They didn't make a cocktail, too, and thank God. Because cocktail one didn't need a sequel, and they would have fucked it up, and it would have been like Kim on in the bar, and then we would have had the memory of cocktail two. They would have called it cocktails with an S on the end.
Starting point is 01:24:43 Who should have played the hot young bartender though that he brings under his wing? That he groomed? Yeah. CR. CR. CR. CR.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Done. CR, you need an assistant and a GM. All right, for my assistant, I'm going to go shooter from Hoosier says Hopper. I kind of like the amount of substance abuse happening on my team. Yeah. Either these guys are going to keep each other on the straight narrow or we're going to turn into train spotting.
Starting point is 01:25:09 How do you feel about the coaches meeting with birdie from above the rim? Rusty promotions, Levin and drunk shooter game plan into that. I would love to be a part of that dinner out. You know, Chris, this culture she's building. Definitely. All right, so I have two picks left and I need a coach. be a part of that dinner out. All right, so I have two picks left and I need a coach. And I'm not taking Norman Dale because I've written about this, but if you watch Hoosiers, he's like, secretly terrible.
Starting point is 01:25:35 I don't know what he was doing. Like, almost doesn't design the last play of the game for Jimmy Chitwood. Yeah, he abandons him. Jimmy Chitwood was 20 for 21 in the game. He's like, all right, we're going to do this instead. Not doing him. Pete Bell, I looked at for a while, but he had a point shaving scandal on his team. I can't have that in my locker room. So I got to go with my guy, Gabe Kaplan, in Fast Break. You could see when I my guy, Gabe Kaplan in Fast Break. You can see when I do the podcast, you see the Fast Break poster behind. I love Gabe Kaplan.
Starting point is 01:26:10 He was in Fast Break and Welcome Back Cotter at the same time, which has still never been approached in Hollywood history, Sean. Can you think of a twofer like that? I can't. It's like when Spielberg made Schindler's in Jurassic Park the same year. I mean, you said it. I can't. It's like when Spielberg made shimmers in Jurassic Park the same year. I mean you said it. I didn't. I was going to say dune part two a complete
Starting point is 01:26:30 unknown, but you got me gave cap on gets the job. He's got to go to Las Vegas and he just cheats and gets all these people who shouldn't be in college. He does all these crazy things and he's my coach. I still need a sixth man though, and it's not gonna be Ed Norton in American History X. Sorry to disappoint you guys. You know, man, there's some good ones left. Kyle Watson in Above the Rim I'm gonna go with. You know, great value late in the thing is a little me first for
Starting point is 01:27:09 the first what hour of the movie little little like Lamello on Charlotte just getting his stats as the team loses and then slowly figured it out and became a team guy. Yeah, kind of ship road ship in the final game like Schroder's Ark, right? We're like a little too ball first. Yeah, me and now he's good teammate. Yeah, so he's my sixth man What do you got for your last pick Chris? It's just one last six man or bench guy here for me yeah, you know you need a
Starting point is 01:27:41 GM oh And I took Neil McCauay off the fucking board. I will be taking... I can't have him. This is the easiest one. I'll take Kelso from Heat, the guy who plans the whole robbery. The guy was just like, it's just out there. You just got to go grab it.
Starting point is 01:27:55 So yeah, that's easy. Because he invented the internet? Yeah. Okay. Sean, last pick. You need an assistant coach. Yeah, easy one. I'm taking Bodi from point break
Starting point is 01:28:10 their basketball and body in point break. No, it's a heist movie bro. Okay, yeah, you're super spun around tonight Chris. It's Chris's first draft everybody ever spun around tonight Chris Chris's first draft everybody Bodi rules. You know, does he live to tell the tale of his own success? I maybe not, but that's not really what we're thinking about when we've also
Starting point is 01:28:38 got Danny Sharp from ambulance, coach in our team and Jack Cunningham, who obviously has a long history of substance abuse. So we're just this is one last season for us. We're just trying to go out in a blaze of glory and I'm really excited about it. A long term project that trying to build anything here Joe Cabot. We saw what happened to the last team he had. They all shot each other, so this could be complicated. Shea you have the last pick and it's an assistant coach and then I'm going to read everyone on the teams and the crowd can decide. All right. Well, you know what?
Starting point is 01:29:05 I'm a sucker for a magic trick. I want a guy around who can do magic. Give me Jesse Eisenberg's character, J. Daniel Atlas from Now You See Me. High-pressure situation, we're in the playoffs, and he's like, hey, check this out. Ta-da! Some sleight-of-hand magic in the finals.
Starting point is 01:29:22 What movie was that? Now You See Me. I don't like the face that you made when I said that. It's a good movie. Yeah, a lot to watch today, Bill. Now You See Me, Ambulance, you know? Now You See Me was a movie that came out in the theater? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:39 It made like $300 million. It's a good movie. Is that not on the list for you? Now you see me? So people who didn't get taken. Yeah. Junior from Coach Carter did not get taken. Mm-hmm. The guy from the air up there did not get taken.
Starting point is 01:29:55 Sala. Flatch from Hoosiers, who all he did was go through a trophy case, put a bandage on it, and keep going, trying to rebound. He didn't go. We mentioned American History X guy. Yeah. put a bandage on it and keep going. We mentioned American History X guy. Louis Scott from Celtic Pride. Buddy from Hoosiers who quit the team came back and really became a lockdown defender.
Starting point is 01:30:20 Shades of Dyson Daniels on the Hawks this year. Nobody took the Like Mike guy. Yeah. Calvin Cambridge. Calvin. Nobody took Andre 3000's character from Semipro, Clarence Withers. Yeah. Chris took Jackie Moon. I thought... Nobody took the kid from Finding Forrester.
Starting point is 01:30:44 Yeah. Jamal Wallace. Liked his game. How about... Nobody took the kid from Finding Forrester. Yeah. Jamal Wallace. Liked his game. How about Odin James from O? Was he on anyone's board? No. But that's funny. Makai Pfeiffer?
Starting point is 01:30:56 Yeah. Just as Billy Shakespeare imagined it. High school basketball player. This is a rough podcast for Eddie because there were no Eddie picks, including Stacey Patton, played by Malik Sealy. Would you have included Kevin Garnett from Uncut Gems as eligible? Yeah, that could have been a good pick. Nobody took Quincy McCall.
Starting point is 01:31:17 You took his wife. Quincy was a bust. Strap from Hoosiers and Chubby from Teen Wolf were the big bench guys that I think were pretty shocked by. And then nobody took Jem. I guess nobody wanted Jem in the locker room. All right. So here are the teams. And you guys can decide who won.
Starting point is 01:31:35 Chris Ryan. Niamh Boudreaux, LeBron from Trainwreck, Shep from Above the Rim, Jimmy Chitwood, Billy Hoyle, Jim Carroll from the Basketball Diaries, Jackie Moon, and a coaching staff of Birdie, Rusty, and Shooter, with Kelso as the GM and Krista from the Town as the owner. So that's Krista's team. Fantasy has Bo Cruz at center, a little undersized. Jesus Shuttlesworth, Ricky Rowe, Uncle Drew, Sydney Dean.
Starting point is 01:32:11 I miss, I wrote somebody down twice. Of course, Brian Flanagan from Cocktail. Brian Flanagan. And Sandy Lyle. And Sandy Lyle. From along Camp Holly, not the strongest bench in the league, but we're- Weak bench. People wanna get your guys of foul
Starting point is 01:32:25 trouble and see if Brian Flanagan or Sandy Lau. That's very tips of you. We don't second apron use the shuttle worse contract it's an issue. Jack from the way back as your coach yep Danny Sharp Bodie is your assistance Tom from triple frontier so glad I got an ovation from the crowd. And then Joe Cabot as your owner. And then my team. Little undersized with number 45 from Team Wolf at center, but that guy's a fighter, man. I just believe in him. Moses Guthrie and Hussler, two real NBA players.
Starting point is 01:32:58 Butch McCray, a guard with Team Wolf. That backcourt's amazing. I think Vandal just made me the favorite. Kyle Watson coming off the bench with Fletch with an afro. Gabe Kaplan Merriman and Michael Ceretto as my coaching staff. Neal McCauley as the GM and Danny Ocean as the owner. And then here's Shay. All right, so I didn't read the team. Bedazzled Brendan Fraser,
Starting point is 01:33:25 Steak Plissken, Wood Harris, Monica McCall, Android, Air Bud, Spaceman, Coach Finstock, Donnie, Eisenberg, T.T. from Set It Off,
Starting point is 01:33:35 and Dalton Russell. Yeah baby. Yeah baby. Is that our winner? Yeah. Yeah. I think we know who won. I'm like fucking RC Buford up here baby. Yeah. This feels we know who won. I'm like fucking R.C. Buford up here, baby.
Starting point is 01:33:45 Yeah. This feels like a hometown verdict. We never had a chance. He already said he was gonna fight all if he stole the spurs from San Antonio. Now you're rooting for his team? Alright. What was the most surprising pick for you, CR? Like, probably the Android from Prometheus. Getting picked before I got to it. What did you pick for you, CR?
Starting point is 01:34:05 Probably the Android from Prometheus getting picked before I got to it. That's going to wrap it up for us. CR, what are you working on? Still podcasting? Still doing the watch? Yeah. Oh, the watch, yeah, the watch, okay. We're actually, I'm really excited, so let you know, Bill, we've been working on an A-Part narrative podcast series called Podslut, the rise of Chris Ryan, it's about all the pods he does over the course of one week. It's like a follow doc.
Starting point is 01:34:36 How many ringer pods have you been on? Like over 20? Because we have like 40. Do you think you've been on half of them at this point? But this is the part of the behind the music where I'm like, I can do anything. But then Bill's like, we knew right then that Chris was overstepping. Mountains of coke everywhere. It's like, no, put me on more pods.
Starting point is 01:34:57 Sean, fantasy, you got the Oscars coming up. Yes, sir. You excited? Scale of one to 10? No, it's no, it's been going on for six months. I needed to end so I can go to the next thing. But it's okay. Ringing endorsement for the pod there. Thank you for listening.
Starting point is 01:35:13 But you got to plug, Shay. I'm still co-hosting the big picture. No, I'm doing the basketball podcast six trophies with our beloved Jason Concepcion every Wednesday. Still going. And there might be a book coming out at some point, maybe? I hope. I hope somebody will give me some money to write a book and I don't know. What are you doing, Bill?
Starting point is 01:35:39 What are you doing? What am I doing? I'm just getting ready for the playoffs, baby. We got the Celtics thing on HBO Celtics City March 3rd. What am I doing? I'm just getting ready for the playoffs, baby. We got the Celtics thing on HBO, Celtics City March 3rd. So, no, don't boot. It's a great achievement. It's an NBA doc as much as a Celtics doc. I really think you guys will like it. So we got that coming. We got some good music box stuff coming as well. SG back on the Red Sox, pregnant? A bunch of great... Excited? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:05 And USA Canada, the most important sporting event of our lifetime, tomorrow night. Thank you all for coming out. Thank you for the freezing cold weather and the pneumonia. And we love seeing you guys. Thank you. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Chris and Sean and Shay.
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