The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Cowboys-Pats Holy Pod War. Plus Guess the Lines Week 7 With Cousin Sal.

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Patriots’ overtime loss to the Cowboys, another Packers win over the Bears, Broncos-Raiders, Dolphins-Jaguars madness in London, Browns-Cardinals, Seahawks-Steelers, Rams-Giants, and more (1:55), before they Guess the lines for NFL Week 7 (36:15). They wrap up with Parent Corner, MLB Postseason talk, and a discussion of the Season 3 premiere of HBO’s ‘Succession’ [SPOILERS] (1:05:43). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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There was bitterness. Can't wait to talk about it. Who better to start us off than Pearl Jam? All right, we're taping this. It is 9.08 Pacific time, Sunday night. We would have started taping sooner, but Geno Smith and Ben Roethlisberger decided to go mano a mano in just an awful game that wouldn't end. But we're not here to talk about that. No, we are not.

We did it. It's over. Dak the Destroyer. C.D. Lamb the legend. Took a giant dump in Foxborough. And the evil empire is no more. 567 yards to 335. Final score, 35-29 in overtime. Cowboys win. Cowboys cover. You are defeated. Hang it up. Fuck off, Bills. Both of you, Bills. Belichick and Simmons. How about them Cowboys? Did you slogan Roy that at the end?

I think I did. I may have. The cover was the worst part. Never doubt. Never doubt. We've never, we've been doing guess the line since 2007. I don't think our teams have played more than two or three

or four times I don't even remember I don't remember really anything about any Pats Cowboys game that stands out until this one this was a great one

you almost killed my quarterback yeah Mina Kimes texted me it looked like his soul left his body after Randy Gregory it was worse

than the blood so Mo Lewis hit it really I didn't think he was going to get up. I just thought he was going to roll over and get carried off. We did it to Danny Dimes last week, too. That looked terrible. I mean, you should probably, everyone should just

start their backup against us just to be safe. I don't know what more advice I need to get to these opposing teams. So, better win for the Cowboys or worse loss for the Patriots? Oh, I don't want to be caught up in this nonsense. I'll just take the win.

I'm just happy. I'm just thinking this is a game we would have lost many, many times last year. We wouldn't even have gotten to overtime in this game last year. But we persevered. You tried to cheat us. I mean, Dak Prescott on third down. Not only was half his body was in, the ball was in. Nobody thought he was in.

His balls were in his genital. Third down. What do you mean nobody thought I was in? Oh, wait a second. What about third and three, whatever that was, to Aguilar? And your guy hit Aguilar in the face. The ref's right there. No call.

It was just like the end of the fourth quarter. Why don't we let him hit receivers in the face? He's just waving. He's like, hey, good to see you. Nice play. That's it. That's all that the end of the fourth quarter. Why don't we let receivers in the face? He's just waving. He's like, hey, good to see you. Nice play. That's it. That's all that was.

That wasn't anything big. Well, Dak should have held out of the ball when he crossed the goal. That was bad. Fourth down. I mean, the reality is you guys could have had

40 plus points. You're unstoppable. I never felt comfortable ever on defense. I always felt third and eight, third and 14, third and three.

Always felt like you were going to get it. The best asset we had on your team was your dumb coach. Yeah, that's true. Fourth and one kicks the 51 yarder with three minutes left. We weren't going to stop you on fourth and one. You know what? I got to tell you, I didn't mind either the fourth and one

field goal attack. You should make one of two 51-yard field goals as a kicker. Don't you want to do the thing that the other team doesn't want you to do, though? I didn't want you to go for the fourth when you were going to get it. Listen, our play calling was dismal down there. I had already seen us botched five fourth and ones or third and ones or fourth and twos. And then, you know, I saw fourth and ones thwarted all day. It was counting.

It started with that London game. I was like, all right, just kick it here. That's fine. That's not the problem I have. Running that play clock down and not calling a timeout or not running it down to three when you know you're going to kick it, that's a problem. And yet you were outcoached. Don't you feel it's slipping away a little bit with Belichick? He was outcoached today. He should have gone on fourth and three. Well, it's funny because we're going to talk about succession. We got the screeners. We're going to talk about succession at the tail end of this podcast for the next 10 weeks.

I was thinking a little bit about Logan Roy frantically trying to find who can succeed him someday. And you have Belichick who now has two of his kids on his coaching staff. Could we get some more coaches? Yeah. Can we just have better play calling? Can we not screw up? Could it not seem like,

you know, with the play clock winding down, we have to use timeouts or we're going to get delay of games. Things are discombobulated. We have our rookie quarterback who's like the most mild-mannered guy who is also basically a zombie because Randy Gregory killed him. And he's screaming at the sidelines because it's so disorganized. You got me thinking, which Roy is Steve Belichick? Oh my God.

Which one is it? He's got to be... He's got his tongue out all the time. He's got to be Roman, right? I guess he's Roman. I guess he's Roman Roy. Yeah. Yeah, my dad texted me.

These are some of my dad's texts. I hate that second dad run. Awful series by McDaniel. Awful. Fire McDaniels. Wimp. We got so outcoached. This is my 74-year-old dad.

We don't send texts like that about the Patriots. We did get outcoached. And your coach is terrible. That's the worst part. You and dad, get used to it. Those are texts that you and most father-sons are familiar with now in the NFL. You got to deal with a bad coach. I think the game is passing him by.

I don't know what to do. We gave the game away. You got to deal with a bad coach. This is, I think the game is passing him by. I don't know what to do. We gave the game away. You took it. You made some plays, but we asked to give it away. We had the ball. You missed that field goal. 567 yards to 335.

And 70 of those were to Kendrick Bourne, who's going to be in the XFL next year. That was his one reception. Like, and we're not counting the 25 yard intercept. How about that interception? My God, the way Diggs moves. He really is like Dion.

The ball is not even part of him when he's running with it. That was Mac's worst throw of the game. Now, granted, he probably has nine cracked ribs from the Randy Gregory hit. But we had the ball. All we needed was one first down, and the game's over. You had two timeouts left. There was like three minutes left. Couldn't get it. Then we have the ball, all we needed was one first down and the game's over. You had two timeouts left. There was like three minutes left.

Couldn't get it. Then we have the ball. We get it. First, Aguilar drops, you know, yet another pass. I think I've officially turned on that free agent signing. All the Eagles fans were like, no, no, he drops everything. No, he's awesome last year in the Raiders. We need a deep threat.

Guy drops every big pass we throw to him. He drops it. It doesn't matter. We get a deep threat. Guy drops every big pass we throw to him. He drops it. It doesn't matter. We get a first down anyway. First down on the 40. Harris, five-yard run, second and five. And then we run this terrible run play for two. And then our third and three is this weird Aguilar out route

where your guy hits him in the face, but he wasn't going to catch it anyway. And that's it. You have the ball. Then we punt it right to you. You have it on the 20. That was great. I knew you were going to catch it anyway. That's it. You have the ball. Then we punt it right to you. You have it on the 20. That was great. I knew you were going to score after that. I love that part. But that was the overtime. How about that great catch by

Wilson on fourth and four when we were down three, over the show, how he stayed in balance. We'll never know. It's like, I don't know. This team, they feel a little, I don't want to jinx it, but they feel a tiny bit destined, right? A tiny, tiny bit. Now here's what I have to say. What do you mean?

I mean, maybe they're not even top three in the NFC. It's mid-October. It's a 17-game season. I know, but we have a three-game lead. We're five and one heading into the bye. We have a three-game lead in the division. This is insanity. Well, that part is great.

I will say this. As somebody who just went against your favorite team for four hours and felt like there's just a lot of options. Yeah. Whatever down, whatever the yardage is, it just seems like there's a lot of things you can do. And we didn't talk about your quarterback yet. Michael Gallup hasn't even played yet.

I know. Your quarterback was awesome. Even that throw he made to CeeDee for the game-winning touchdown. Yeah. Not like the easiest throw. I would say half the quarterbacks in the league would have sailed it, thrown it behind him. There would have

been like maybe he catches it, but he has to turn back for the ball. Backfooted it and it turns out it's going to be a bad backfoot because he's got an ankle injury, but we have a bye here, so it shouldn't matter as much. Yeah, it's weird. His QBR, I don't understand QBR, but it was 52.3.

Who cares? He threw for 445 yards, three touchdowns. I thought we got good pressure. And I don't know. I thought he navigated it. And he's got to be in the MVP conversation, right? It's him and it's Kyler and Lamar. Yeah.

Is that the three right now? I don't know if you can say enough about, although if Kyle Lamar, he just keeps winning like this, this is, this is, it's going to be hard to turn your back on him. But what's Lamar now?

He's 35 wins before 25 years old. Only Marino's done it. Or Marino is, did it slightly slower than he did? I don't, I don't know what the record is, but. Well,

you think like he's, it's just all backup running backs, uh, rotating wide receiver crew. Doesn't seem like they're, you think like he's it's just all backup running backs rotating wide receiver crew. Doesn't seem like they're like unbelievable blockers. He's had some comebacks. They're 5-1. They're plus 47. He's got to be in the mix.

But if until the Cardinals lose, Kyler has to be the favorite. I know we have a long way to go. I know. I mean, I can talk about this Cowboys thing, but I'll give you a break for a second. Let's go. No, you deserve it. You get five more minutes. This is... All the years you had to come on and listen to me talk about the Pats. No, you should get five more minutes. I don't know what to say. I just

love it. I love that the heat's not on Zeke anymore. You know you're going to get your 115 combined from him. You know Pollard's going to run hard. Like you said, the receiving options are great. I mean, Belichick, what was the game plan going in? Because he takes away your best option, right? Like what you

want to do most. He took Seedy away for, it seemed like, two and a half hours. And then all of a sudden, he had over 100 yards. You got everyone else running around, and Amari Cooper was sort of out of it, too, and it still didn't seem to matter. They still got it done. And yeah, Gregory, they put the pressure on. I just love it. You're doing

weird things, though. You got a punt block. We hadn't gotten one in, I think, seven or eight years or something. That doesn't happen to the Patriots. I don't have to remind you. Also, a punt block when they seemed discombobulated and they were going to get a delay game if they didn't rush. All of it led to the punt block,

but they didn't seem right. And it's been their own four at home. I do feel like you and your dad have been dropped onto a different planet that you're not familiar with. With punt blocks and strip sacks and stuff like that and guys fumbling like last week. You're going to have to learn about real NFL

feelings. I don't know how you're going to deal with this. Me and my dad are fine. The Red Sox are seven wins away from another World Series title. We're very focused on it. And we have a quarterback. If you're going to start complaining other than bad coaching, it's like other than Judon, the free agent

signings, they splurged on Aguilar, Jalen Mills for $24 million. All the Eagles fans made fun of me for that. They were right. And then the two tight ends who have been pretty marginal in terms of impact. Well, they spent $280 million. So I don't know what they...

So maybe get Belichick out of there. Maybe he's just got the wrong guys. Maybe he's got the wrong everything. They went... It seems like they went one, two, and two. One win, two losses, and two pushes so far. Right. I'll give you that.

That might be enough to get the seventh seed. But the sloppiness is bizarre. And it dates back to last year because there was moments last year and you could chalk it up to COVID and all this stuff. But this year they don't have the same. Isn't it weird? You and I talked about it early last week, like a week ago today when we saw the line for this three,

three and a half. I'm like, Oh, that's going to six. And it's like, Oh no, not only didn't go to six, it went to three.

What the hell is going on here? And then when the Patriots are winning the whole game, like, damn it six. And it's like, oh no, not only did it go to six, it went to three. What the hell is going on here? And then when the Patriots are winning the whole game, like, damn it, the fan duels, they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. And then only to have

the Cowboys cover in overtime and everybody wins whatever teaser or whatever they have them on. You know? Well, I have a little confession for you. What is it?

We left you off this thread, me and House. We did the Pats plus three and a half. I completely talked myself into it by game time. What time was this? Eight minutes before. Fifteen minutes before.

I was riding high with my Chiefs Rams parlay and hit the Vikes. I talked myself into the Pats. I was like, this line hasn't moved all week. This is super suspicious. I'm taking the Pats. It was freaky. It was right. Diggs isn't playing. Something's up here. I don't know why this

went down to three. Like, where the Sharps, because I guess I know why, because you see that trend, like, Belichick's 12-2 against Spread at home when he's an underdog. It's like, I don't know. How long do we hold on to those though, still? I mean, I don't want to say it's Brady's team. It was Brady

all along, but those are Brady's trends, right? You have to like kind of part with those eventually. Pass performance in football is pretty irrelevant. The roster changes too much. Here was what pushed it over the top for me to bet the Pats though. I thought Carolina looked terrible today and it made me go back and look at all of Dallas's wins before the game today. Right. So you had the Tampa game, which was a good one. Good back and forth. Beat the chargers by three. Now we watch that chargers team now. And it's like, ah, man, their defense is kind of shitty. You know, like you can run on them. That's you can really, really take it down their throat. The 31st in the league against the run. And you

know, the Ravens didn't end up with, I think they ended up with 187, 190 or something. But they had like 80 rushing yards in the first quarter. That turned the game on its ear. Like that was it. If you go down on that team, anyone could beat them then. And bad special teams. So you beat them.

You beat Philly by 20. Now that doesn't look great, right? Philly looks like they're a mess. You beat this Carolina team, 36-28. Looks like they might stink. And then you beat the Giants last week. So I looked at that and I was like, you know, maybe the schedule.

Did you look at your Patriots who barely beat the miserable Texans? They're going to have the worst. Did you look at that? Spellcheck at home, must win. It seemed like it was a good bet, but it didn't cover. It actually was. You shouldn't have lost that. You have a bye week, and then you have at Minnesota, who's a little frisky. That's a Thursday night, right?

But then you get this Denver-Atlanta combo. They both suck. So you could be potentially either 7-2 or 8-1, and then you're at Kansas City Sunday. I'm not as worried about it because there's only one bye. And I don't think we're going to go 14-3, right? So we're probably not going to get the one seed. So then it's just whatever, right?

Well, I wonder with this 17-week season, there's going to be so many ebbs and flows that you just have to be super careful at all times. Like my team's 2-4. I certainly don't feel like the season's over. Certainly feel like they could still get a six seed or a seven seed. And then you look at like how well they played against Tampa and Dallas and say, maybe we're not that far away. Rookie

quarterback gets better. I'm starting to run the ball a little bit. There's a path like you watch that Pittsburgh Seattle game today. We were saying that was a loser leaves town match. I'm not sure it was because there's so much time left and these injuries change everything. Like you look at the Browns now and the Browns was a team I really liked. I thought they had a chance to win their division fourth place. And now they're, they're

like a mash unit, you know, and their quarterbacks in a press conference with the sling. I don't know how hurt Hunt is. Chubb's already hurt. Beckham's not the same guy. You're going down the line. It's like, I think that this season is just going to cross some teams off just by the length. I think you're right. And I think we're going to... I mean, we're always rooting for that Sunday night game so we can start the podcast and get to bed,

especially on a night when we started with the London game at 6.30 in the morning. But you might look back and be like, oh, man, I should have rooted harder for those Seahawks because the Steelers... You might have a bunch of teams that are eight and eight going into week, uh, 18 and,

you know, counting the buy and, uh, and your, my, yours team might be one of them. A lot of tiebreakers. I did a,

I did a power pole cause there was only three games. So there's a lot of dead time. So I was doing a power pole as I was going. And once you, you got Arizona and Buffalo at the top, then you have Rams, Tampa, Dallas, Baltimore. And I think that's your top six. Nobody puts Green Bay in there.

It's unbelievable. They never get any respect. Well, I have Kansas City as a sleeper at seven. And then I have the Chargers, Green Bay, and Cleveland rounding out the top 10. And then it goes kind of off a cliff. Because then now all of a sudden you're in San Francisco,

Cincy, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Tennessee, Minnesota, Pittsburgh. It drops right after that Chargers-Green Bay-Cleveland group. And you could argue if Cleveland's going to be super banged up,

maybe they don't even belong in that group. I'm with you. I think those top eight you named, they all have very good quarterbacks, right? And Cleveland was probably last week in that top eight. And I'm not sure that the Bakers, I think he's eight you named, they all have very good quarterbacks, right? And Cleveland was probably last week in that top eight. And I'm not sure that the Bakers, I think he's on the outside looking at plus the shoulder

thing. I know it's a opposite shoulder, but it is a mess for them. They have to figure it out. So you're higher on the Packers than I am because I felt like I think I always am. I think I'm always higher on the Packers than anybody else's, but they lost that game to New Orleans, which they treated like an extra preseason game. And then they just kind of whipped up on bad teams

and beat some teams that they could have lost to. They're pretty good. They don't really trip up easily. I watched a lot of that game. I felt like if the Bears had had a good coach, that result might have been different. It seemed like they could run on them. Matt Herbert was excellent. The little running back. They didn't really know how to use fields. It seemed like they could run on them. Matt Herbert was excellent. The little running back.

They didn't really know how to use fields, it doesn't seem like, and there was just some times when he was great. I just would have thought, pound the ball, play action, kind of do what the Pats did with Mac Jones today. Put the guy in position to succeed.

They look like they're at recess playing like, all right, draw your own plays. There's these plays where Fields is just running around just trying to look for dudes. I don't know. Their defense is good. I did feel like they hung around, but that Rodgers, the I own you was incredible. I mean, he does.

He's like 21-4 against them. First of all, I wouldn't be bragging about owning the Bears. It's like owning a broken down 88 Chevy Cavalier. I'd much rather own so many other things. But I want that rivalry to mean something. This is the oldest rivalry in sports, and it hasn't produced one or two memories over the years, right?

The biggest memory from that rivalry is that guy with the mullet in the stands jumping out to catch the extra point on Monday night football. And that wasn't even in the game. But so, I mean, Rogers just takes over and he does own them. There's nothing they could say to that. If you're a Bears fan, and I know a few of them, that's a raw moment where the guy does own you. It's kind of assumed, acknowledged, and he's been too classy to talk about it, but now he's in this deep Aaron Rodgers, I don't care mode.

Right. Throwing arrows everywhere, and then he does the I own you thing. It is the all-time yeah, but still. What's your comeback? I don't know what they're going to say. They have to wait until he goes to another team next year. Yeah, but you're not going to be on that team anymore,

Aaron Rodgers. Like, what do you do? What's your comeback? Your commercials suck. And I don't think your girlfriend's pretty. Your commercials slipped this year, jerk. He's got like some like 58 touchdowns and 10 interceptions or something against that team.

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Join us in creating positive change at yorku.ca slash write the future. Okay, let's rip through some topics quick. So MVP, Kyler won Lamar to DAC three right now through six weeks. Mahomes still lingering. Well, I guess we'll see what Josh Allen does, but I think he's number one right now going into this week. You would have Josh Allen above Kyler. No,

I don't. I'm saying I, I think gambling wise and I think Fandle has them tops, but, uh, I don't know about the Josh Allen thing. I mean, their, their competition hasn't exactly been stellar.

It's Kyler's to lose right now, I would say, but, but much harder schedules. Yeah. Um, should we bet on the London game anymore? No.

I stayed away today and I felt great about it. You were sweating out a Miami Moneyline thing. You're getting up at 6.30 in the morning for it. It's like, it's just not worth it. It's basically like the London game is

you put two teams in a snow globe, like the Christmas snow globe, and you just shake it and you don't know what it's going to look like. It's like that electric football game we used to play as kids where you'd put the people out and the guys would just kind of go around.

Just bounce around forever. There's no reason to anything. They were up 10 and I'm laying in bed and I'm like, all right, let me money line parlay this because they're going to win. The Jaguars look like they don't care about winning. I'll money line parlay with that

with the Cowboys and the Colts and something else. And so I'm chasing that bet all day long. But it really did look like the Jaguars didn't want him. Does Urban Meyer strike you as someone who wants to win these games? I feel like he just wants to get out, just be done. I mean, also another one, not calling a timeout, actually letting it run down, like not knowing what to do. And to Jaguars credit, that was the only play they could have run in that situation to get it closer for that field goal. His body language on the sidelines is bizarre.

Yeah. He almost seems put out. Like he doesn't seem like a galvanizer, fire up kind of coach. It's kind of like he's there. He's like a substitute teacher. I really like Flores. I thought he did a great job last year.

I thought the game that he coached today was one of the worst coach games I've seen all season and possibly even number one. They made so many mistakes. There's so many game management mistakes. The fourth and ones all over the league were a disaster.

That was my next topic. This fourth and one thing, I know we've touched on it a couple weeks before, but it's like, there's no context anymore. It's like these shitty teams that have shitty players operate in the same way you do if you have Dak or Herbert or Mahomes and a bunch of awesome wide receivers on your team.

You can't go for it on fourth and two if your players suck. Exactly. And you're on your own 40-yard line. What do you think is going to happen? We were talking about it, me, you, and Hench and House. And it's like, yeah, I think you said it. The analytics don't show you when you're down three offensive linemen what this fourth and one looks like. Sometimes Urban could have taken the field goal to go up seven, which would have looked nice on his resume. But he didn't. And they fought the whole game

to get back in. It was terrible. Gruden-Ewing theory? I'll tell you what. All these coaches use Ewing theory. You did? Yeah. I had it. I had a million-dollar Bix. I bet it straight up. It wasn't close. The game was over in the first quarter. If you blur

your eyes, they're just better, right? So if they can get someone in that clubhouse to rally them emotionally. And Gruden-Ewing theory, how about Kingsbury not coaching? I just wonder, this happened last year. Stefanski didn't coach, and the Browns blew out the Steelers.

It's happened in college a bunch. Saban, these guys get COVID or whatever. I'm not saying coaches don't matter. The OSU guy who got fired and they won anyway? Yeah, it's crazy what goes on here. I'm not sure. I't matter. The OSU guy who got fired and they won anyway? Yeah. Yeah, like it's crazy what goes on here. I'm not sure. I don't want to say coaching doesn't matter, but a little bit of a Ewing thing. I had no

idea he was as hated as he was. Did you have any clue that this was the case? No, I did not. I guess you're not going to get it from hard knocks, but it just didn't seem like that was the case at all. I mean, I certainly hated listening to him on Monday Night Football. I know.

I know we made fun of him a ton. They kept giving him extensions and raises. It was like, what am I missing? This guy offers nothing every week. Yeah, why couldn't these emails have come out before ESPN signed him to Monday Night Football? Yeah, seriously. Why didn't this come out in 2013? I thought it was a rare gambling opportunity.

Now, I'm not saying it was like a lock or anything, but because there was a chance they were just a show of themselves. But I think as fans, we really overrate this stuff sometimes with like, oh, it's going to affect the players. I don't think these guys care. I think they show up to work. They do their stuff. It's a little bit of a distraction, but ultimately it's like they probably didn't like the guy. They were probably fired up to win the week after he got fired. What was weird, though, I didn't even know this until I was watching the game today.

His son is the strength and conditioning coach, Deuce Gruden. They showed him on the sidelines a couple times. I was like, man, if I ever get fired from the ringer, I really hope Ben quits. Ben is the rigger strength and conditioning coach. Ben's like, no, no, I'm going to keep my job down. Say, no, no, we're all out. The Simmons family's out. I really hope Ben quits. Ben is the rigger. Ben's like, no, no, I'm going to keep my job

down. Say, no, no, we're all out. We're all in Simmons family's out. I looked at him up, this Deuce Gruden. It seems like he marches to the beat of his own drum there. He's shorter than me. He's like this bodybuilding champ and just a hothead. He might not even know his father's

not there. So what was Deuce Gruden's week like? He's going to the office on a Tuesday. He's like, hey, what's up Deuce? How you doing, man? How's it going? Yeah. Want to have some coffee? Kind of weird. Very strange. Anyway, the Raiders

could have cared less. And the big lesson from that game is the Broncos are bad. Now, they've had some injuries. I think we've had overrated them in general. But they kind of rolled over in the second half. Then they had like a big garbage time run. But there was this moment third quarter where it didn't seem like they wanted to be there anymore. And I was wondering, our first coach fire thing is still alive because Gruden resigned.

I guess it is. Yeah. I think they have odds up for next coach to be gone or whatever you want to call it anyway. So that's who you think, huh? I think Fangio has to be in the three now. I think Meyer is still the overwhelming favorite. And I think Nagy has to be involved in Fangio. I think that would be my top three.

You don't think Flores at all, huh? Because he had the 10 win. I mean, Flores was good last year. One and five. This team was expected to win. I guess they won't fire him. They won't. Here's the thing with Flores.

They botched that Tua Herbert thing, which we've talked about before. Yeah. That's now like a catastrophe. Tua is not. I just don't think he has it. And I think everyone kind of deep down knows he doesn't have it. I don't know what he's good at.

Some throws look so good. And then some just decisions when it's third and two and he's rolling left. He's got 12 yards of daylight and he throws it downfield. Eight yards incomplete. Right. It's like, what the hell are you doing? This is not second year. This is second game preseason quarterback we're looking at right now.

Yeah, it's like watching my son's flag football team or something where it's like that quarterback made a nice throw and then the next throw it goes sailing into almost hits a mom. And you're like, oh yeah, the kid's 13. Two is a professional athlete. They took him fifth in the draft. He's not consistent at all.

I don't really know. What would you say he's great at? What's his great skill? He's lefty. It's like, oh, that's weird that he's lefty. He can roll that left. That's weird, right? To the eye, doesn't that look weird? I'm left-handed. I don't even know what I'm looking at. It just seemed like it was

more commonplace back in our time growing up. To be fair, I didn't recognize almost any of those receivers. Like Gusecki, the tight end, but Park was out. Waddle was good. Yeah. Waddle's good. You know the Waddle piece of this that I totally forgot.

They traded up to take Waddle. They don't have their first pick next year. Yeah, that's right. The Eagles have it. So they're 1-5. And you think about it, the Pats should have beaten them. Harris is running in. We're about to go up and win the game. He fumbles. They could be 1-5. And you think about it, the Pats should have beaten them. Harris is running in. We're about to go up and win the game. He fumbles.

They could be 0-6. Now you could say, well, they could have won the Raiders game, whatever. I do worry about that with the Eagles. That's why I have to enjoy this Cowboy year.

The Eagles have like three very, very early picks next year. Well, the Eagles had that weird Hurts thing coming off Thursday where it's just like, I don't see it do you see it no

I just don't think he's accurate enough he's just not I mean he had 56 yards going into the fourth quarter in a game that they

you know playing catch up the whole time for the longest time before he ran two and made that a a game for no reason

he's good garbage time I think ultimately his destiny is going to be kind of an overqualified backup that can come in. He can carry it kind of like what Gino tried to do with Seattle today, but a better version of that. I think I trust

Brissette more than... Brissette was terrible this year too. The Jets have the Seahawks pick this year from the Jamal Adams trade. The Seahawks are now two and four.

They're in brutal division. And that, you know, the Jets, they turned to Darnold in a second rounder, at least. That's looking better

and better. They just don't know how to pick the players. They can collect the assets. Right. They just need help with the actual picking the players part.

We have six cross-off teams, Sal. Yeah, at least, right? I lost track of where we were. Detroit's 0-6, cross them off. Houston 1-5, Jacksonville 1-5, Jets 1-4,

Giants 2-4. Can we cross off the Giants? I feel like we can. They're so banged up. Sure. You're not ready to cross them off? Yeah, I am. They're not getting a wild card. Yeah.

And Miami 1 and 5, I think is a cross off. So I would cross those. The only ones, and they're terrible teams, the Texans and Jags, but... Just because of the division? If the Titans lose again tomorrow,

I'm fine crossing them off. That's 8 you have? I have six. Miami Giants, Jets, Jacksonville, Detroit, Houston, and I think Washington and Atlanta are in the waiting room. And maybe Denver.

Yeah. I'm good with all those. That's good. We have to do one a week for the rest of the way, right? Yeah, we're good. I have a good topic for you. Kyle, turn the camera on. Another terrible Giants-Jets game today. I saw my buddy Jacko, who's just almost inconsolable about how this Yankees-Red Sox thing.

He tweeted, is this the worst it's ever been for New York sports? What team is even close to being the closest for a title right now? And you think about it, and I guess you would say the Yankees, but the Yankees didn't even make the playoffs where we have five teams in the American League. And they have Cole for $340 million. They're about to pay Judge a whole bunch of money

and not sure he can even play 140 games a year. Well, he needs to go over the bridge to Brooklyn. What's he talking about? They're the favorites to win the whole thing. They're not a New York team? Does Brooklyn count? Get me a map. Yeah, I think they do.

All right. So we're really counting Brooklyn as a New York team? I know. People don't want to embrace it, but you kind of have to. Yeah, I guess we have to. God damn it. You don't have to count the bills. You don't have to count the bills. You don't have to count the bills.

Kyle, turn the camera off. Come on, Kyle. What's wrong with you? Oh, man. I forgot Brooklyn counts. I always think like Jets, Giants, Yankees, Mets. Yeah. Knicks.

Island Rangers. Yeah, no good. Yeah. Yeah, he's got a point if he misses those. Should it count if the team wins and like 200 people show up at the parade? Does that still count as a hometown title? No, you're right. It should be a head count of 201 or more.

Hey, I was thinking about this. You'd be a good one to ask. Who's the most hated player in every sport? Kyrie's number one in basketball now, right? That the most... So you're just saying like if it's like the opposite of an approval rating, the person that has the most people that dislike them.

I'm going Kyrie, Altuve, that guy Wilson for the Capitals who beats everybody up and never gets punished. Tom Wilson. Yeah, Tom Wilson. That's a good one. And I think Tom Brady, the other Tom. He's probably the most beloved also, but I think he's also the most hated.

Those would be my four. Just something to think about. So that's like when Howard Cosell was the most liked and disliked sports broadcaster at the same time. And Howard Stern. Yeah, all the Howards. Yeah, Polaroid. Yeah, I was on a text right today with all these people who hate the Braves.

There's a lot of people who hate the Braves, and it's mostly people who have National League teams, but also hate the Tomahawk Chop or both. Right. And I think Chipper Jones had this title for five, six years. Kind of secretly, right?

Mm-hmm. For sure. Yeah, Chipper had it for a while. Who'd you have for baseball? You had Altuve? I'm not sure it's Altuve. Oh, I think. Baseball's tough

because you go, what, Bryce Harper or Altuve. I'm not sure which way you go. But I feel like but I feel like Houston is a team no one universally could root for. Yankee fans are rooting for the Red Sox. I know some Yankee fans

are rooting for the Red Sox because they hate the Houston Astros. And at the top of that list is Altuve and the buzzer and all that stuff and they just don't like him anyway. I really dislike Correa personally. You do? Correa did that game one, he hit the homer. He has to look at the dugout

and do the what time. And I was dying to tweet during game two, like, Carlos, what time is it when we're up like 9-0? Right. He bothers me. Altuve, I feel like he's overcoming some kind of handicap.

The dude's, what is he, like 5'5"? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 5'6"? Like, he can swing at pitches over his head. I'm always like, as much as I can't stand him, I'm always impressed by him. He's the Deuce Gruden of the Major League Baseball, basically. Correa, just like,

he's really, really good. He's fun to dislike. He's not overcoming anything. I can't stand the Astros. I mean, I don't know if you saw Game 2. Sure. They have they have this picture. We show them in the first inning, he had grand slam. Um, 30 pitch inning comes back out, pitches to one guy.

And then they do this injury thing, quote unquote injury. And the next guy gets 15, Oda Rizzi gets 15 minutes to warm up and do his whole thing. It's like, he's a starter. And then that's like, well, he's got to go through his routine. It's like, what about my starter?

Who's not going to pitch for a Valdi? Who's not going to pitch now for 45 minutes. Cause this guy's got to do his routine. Like bring a fucking reliever in. It was just like a classic, like it was legal, but there was a spirit of the game thing. And then,

you know, we're trying to slow down baseball. I don't know what you do. We're going to take a 15-minute fucking delay for this guy? These Yankees, these Red Sox-Astros games are going to be five hours long.

Every single one of them. Well, we have... It's going to be 07. Game three is at 8 Eastern time. Game four is at 8 Eastern time. And then game five is at 5 Eastern time. And we don't...

We have Whitlock and Houck and Brazier. And that's it for relievers we trust. They brought in Hernandez. We're up 9-3. Can you just get us three out so we can go home in the ninth inning? He can't even get out. He gives up two homers.

We have to take him out. We have no bullpen. It'd be amazing to win the World Series. That Pavetta, I don't know how long that lasts. You're a slight underdog. Well, we could talk about this later. You're still a slight underdog. This series will go back to

Houston. I think we can win there, but whatever. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll do guest lines. What does possible sound like for your business? It's having the spend that powers your scale with no preset spending limit. More cash on hand to grow your business with up to

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are four of the more entertaining teams. Four probably playoff teams, potentially. Yeah. But four teams with at least the Vikes have a good offense and they can move the ball. Yeah. It's a tough hit.

So we got this Thursday night game. I would say if we're talking about teams that are at a dangerous point It's a tough hit. So we got this Thursday night game. I would say if we're talking about teams that are at a dangerous point of the season, I think the Broncos are there. Denver,

I think Carolina's there. I think the Patriots are obviously there at 2-4. I think the Bears and then the Seahawks would be the five that's like, all right,

I know it's a 17-game season, but you're kind of out of fucking around room. Now you have the Broncos. They get to play Baker. I don't think Baker's going to play on Thursday. He looked like he was really hurt. Hunt got carried off. He got carted off.

We're not going to see him on Thursday. Who is it? Case Keenum is the backup? Yeah. Could be a little Case Keenum. The one thing I will say with the Browns is I like that Felton, their backup, who's like the kick? Yeah. Could be a little Case Keenum. The one thing I will say with the Browns is I like that Felton,

their backup, who's like the kick returner. I actually think he could be pretty good. But I think the Browns are going to be favored. But I would have originally had this

like Browns four or something like that. But I think it's going to be Browns by one. Oh, wow. Well, let me check this because this is one of us is way off here.

I said six. And I saw Fandel had it at five and a half. But is that with Case Keenum? Case Keenum can't be favored. They must be thinking that. I mean, you know, he was back in there, Baker. He showed up at the postgame. He had an arm and a sling.

It's five and a half. Yeah. Oh, that's all right. I'll take the loss on that, but that's stupid. I don't think he's going to play on Thursday. Guess who doesn't want to take a loss here? And I know you try to diminish my record of 11 in a row Thursday night. 11 in a row Thursday night.

What do you mean diminish? He said they didn't cover. I don't worry about margins. I know, but I'm not allowed to pick the spread. Last week, you bragged it was against the spread. I was. No way. No way. I said I got spread. Why do you put the score? Well, just to be cool. I mean, everyone wants me

to be cool. Why are we so upset with the Eagles' 50-point conversion? I was upset. Covered by a half point. Listen, it's always a little bit, but if you parlay together the 11 Moneyline favorites, it's 155 to 1. It's pretty damn good. Good luck

with this game. I don't know what I'm doing here. This is rough. This is a rough one. I may need to consult. Well, let me ask you this. If it's Case Keenum, is there a ton of difference in him and semi-injured Baker Mayfield at this point? This is a dangerous spite bet, right?

If anybody bet, you know, Denver's done. They couldn't even beat the Raiders. You know, couldn't, it weren't in the right headspace, but I could see Denver stepping up and winning this game. I'm not going to say anything yet. I could definitely see it. Both three and three. Both these teams are in trouble, I think, with a loss.

I'll tell you this. I watched all of that cards game. That was a really physical game. And the cards beat the shit out of them. And that Hail Mary was ludicrous. Baker almost got sacked. There's four guys on the Cardinals that are on the 10-yard line defending nobody.

They're not near anyone on the field. And if they don't get that, the game's a blowout even before the second half. And their defense is solid, the Cardinals, when they want to play. They're really good. Yeah, they're fast. Jordan Hicks, Marcus Golden, five sacks for those guys. Well, J.J. Watt. Watt had one today.

They have Simmons and Collins. They don't let you back in the game. They get on you quick. I love that about that. They score quickly. Well, this is a stay't let you back in the game. They get on you quick. I love that about that. They score quickly. Well, this is a stay away. Don't bet this game. Are they the best team?

Who's the best team that you can't buy just yet? Mine are the Cardinals and the Bengals. I mean, the Bengals. No way. It has to be the Cardinals. But the Cardinals have beaten good teams. You personally don't like, I haven't come around on them yet.

Yeah, I don't trust. Kyler hurt my feelings last year, but I know he's hurt, but he just needs to win my trust back. They're loaded at receiver though. I do think they're better with Green and with Rondell Moore. It just seems like they have speed

everywhere. Zach Ertz is going to play next week. He has a dozen red zone targets. That's perfect for Kyle. And I think Chase Edmonds has been really good for them. He's got real bursts. They're really dangerous. All right, Sunday, the marquee game. Again, we don't have a lot of games this

week, but I thought it was Ravens-Bengals, right? Has to be. Yeah. And I did the Ravens byBengals, right? Has to be. Yeah. And I did the Ravens by six. It's in Baltimore. All right, you're going to get it.

I said five. It's six and a half. Yeah. That's yours. It's a good one. The obvious tease slash parlay has been hitting pretty much nonstop. Yeah. Through the first six weeks. Yeah, I think all the morning favorite, not including the London game, but all

the 1 p.m. Eastern game favorites won today, right? Yeah. We've been trying to do underdog parlay of the week for million-dollar picks and you don't even get two underdogs that win. I guess today it would have been the Raiders and it would have been the Seahawks,

but then Seahawks didn't win. I don't even know who the other underdog would have been. Oh, you said the Raiders. Oh, I guess the Jaguars. I don't even know who the other underdog would have been. Well, the Raiders. Oh, you said the Raiders. Oh, I guess the Jaguars. It would have been Raiders, Jaguars would have been the one. Raiders, Jags. That's really it.

Everyone else didn't hit. Well, Arizona was a little bit of a dog, right? But yeah. Yeah, you're right. They were like minus. Yeah, but it was like plus one. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I tried to make a case for the Lions upsetting Cincinnati,

and they were just never, ever in that game. No. And in fact, there's some maybe they might bench Jared Goffbuzz that I saw online. Because I like the Lions too. I bet on the Lions and he was abysmal. Coach Campbell said he needs to step up more and he didn't say it through

a tissue full of tears either. He's serious. Burrow has become, I think, a reliable top 10 fantasy QB starter at this point. He was somebody who was available on waiver wires a couple weeks ago. By the way, I need to warn you.

Bengals fans get mad at us. They say that that's a lazy narrative, we say, with the offensive line being weak. I don't know. This is the first game he got through unscathed, right? He has, like, throat contusions. He has injuries we don't even see on the field. Like, I'm sorry. I know they're winning games,

but if you had to make odds on the next quarterback out, unfortunately, it'd be your guy. Yeah. I mean, he's taken a pounding in every game until today. The Bears game, the Steelers game. But this Lions one was a good one. But they have at Ravens, at Jets, home Browns, at Raiders, home Steelers as their next five. So we'll see. They're pretty good.

I mean, the good news for them is Chase is electric. I think he's like one of those guys, even when he's not involved in the plays, he's involved in the plays. He's a good blocker. He's doing all kinds of shit. And they turn it on at weird times. I think if you look at the last two minutes of the half, Burrow and Chase, the combination is the best in the league.

Yeah, I agree. All right. The watchables. I only have two, and one's a stretch. First one, Chiefs at Tennessee. I really enjoy watching the Chiefs shoot me. And then everybody's like, Mahomes having an off year. It's like Mahomes is on pace for like 5,000 yards and probably 50 TDs.

And three times a game makes the play he made today that ended up there was a penalty where he was getting chased. And he went left and did like, it was almost like watching somebody on the beach playing like beach football. He went left and then zagged the other way and the guy fell down and then threw a sidearm down to Kelsey

for like 30 yards. Mahomes is amazing. He's not having off here. Everybody stop it. I think we got spoiled. We got spoiled with guys having such separation, right? Like Tyreek Hill being 30 yards open and Kelsey being 12 yards open,

even though he's like eight yards downfield. We don't see that anymore. I was ready to jump on when everyone... What were they down? What was the score? It was 13-10, and then they reeled off 21 straight, but he had thrown his second interception. Everyone's like, oh, who's this guy in Mahomes' uniform?

Half of the interceptions hit somebody's hands. Ben Sol who's this guy in Mahomes' uniform? But half of the interceptions hit somebody's hands. Ben Solak wrote a good piece for The Ringer about that teams are just going, you know, go ahead, run it on us. We're just going to play zone and you're going to have to force throws in and do stuff.

I'm still buying Mahomes' stock. Their defense is awful. It's unclear if Andy Reid is awake for like the first half of these games. Yeah. But Mahomes is still great. And if they beat the Chargers in LA, which they'll have most of the fans,

they're back in first place. My hot take is I think Darrell Williams is better than Edward Soler. Yeah, maybe. I think he's more reliable. I think he's got a little more size. It's a little harder to just have the four guys with all the D-backs back because he's more physical. I think he's got a little more size. It's a little harder to just have the four guys with all the D-backs back because he's more physical.

He can bounce through guys. I just think they're better than him. I'm not just saying that because he's on two of my fantasy teams. You overpaid for him. So I have Chiefs. I have minus four at Tennessee. Yeah, you're going to get this one too. I said three, and it's four and a half.

I almost said four and a half damn it we'll have to see what happens with Tennessee I think they luck out a little bit because the Bills are gonna come off a high of beating the Chiefs and I like Tennessee to at least cover them up tell you this from what we've seen from the Chiefs that I mean Henry's

done well against them in the past this should be like the best he's done yeah that's true too he's gonna be able to if they just just feed him, feed him, feed him, it's going to be ugly. The other watchable game I have, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Bucks-Bears. Oh. Out of all the ones that are left, it's like I'm kind of intrigued by that one.

I like watching, the Bears are weirdly lovable. Like I like Fields. Fields is raw as hell. He'll make five or six mistakes a game. But have you noticed there's like a, there's a serenity to him. There's like a confidence

to him. What the hell? What happened? No, there's something about him. He doesn't, the way he carries himself is very un-rookie-like.

Like, I find myself rooting for him. I like that Herbert guy. I like their defense. And I think their coach sucks. And the fact that they're like in these games when they have a lous. And the fact that they're in these games when they have a lousy coach,

I find they're endearing. They're just so hard to bet, right? You just never want to be on either side of them, ever. No, that's true. It'll shock you either way. Well, this game, they're going to try to hit the shit out of Brady. We'll see if it works. I have Bucs by 9.5 against the Bears.

Well, that's closer than I works. I have Bucks by nine and a half against the Bears. Well, that's closer than I was. I said eight and a half. FanDuel is suggesting you move this to the pooped FECTA. Twelve and a half. Oof. Twelve and a half. Now, do you think part of that is we're tired of getting killed on teases? Yeah, I think that has to be part of it.

When all these favorites win. Because we've seen this in years past where they just start jacking it up because they're like, stop it. You're not teasing these anymore. Fuck you. Is this Brady's last loss? Or did they... I mean, last year.

I mean, they lost this year. But this was the four down thing. This is when he held up the four, right? Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. I don't know. I think they went on a run after that, for sure. Yeah.

Barely watchables. Patriots home for the Jets. I feel like the Pats-Jets, I just can't put in the poop fact because of the history, but it might be for some people. I think the Pats are kind of fun to watch. I don't know. Yeah, they are.

You know, their defense, their move around. Judon has been really good all season. I like't know. Yeah. I, you know, their defense, their move around Judon was, has been really good all season. Um, I like watching Mac. I thought Mac, they show him on the sidelines sometimes. And he seems like a little kid who's upset that the teacher yelled at him. Right.

But I don't know if it, if that's just who he is, like he like calms himself down, but wait, this is a second time you're playing both twice before week seven. I know it's weird. Wow. Yeah. And then we get the Zach Wilson.

Like, Belichick might just break Zach Wilson completely. Yeah. Like, what if he throws five picks in this game? Right. That's it. Anyway, I have the Pats laying six and a half to the Jets. Oh, I got this exactly. It's seven.

Let me make sure. Let me make sure. Maybe I'll move for you. Nope, seven. I think this is a tease, Sal. Yeah, because this is... I don't feel great about a 2-4 team and a tease, but you lose this game.

The Pats are already in a situation where they have to go 8-4 the rest of the way to be... What is it? 8-5, I guess. I'll take it eight and three. We have to go eight and three the rest of the way. Yeah. I think nine wins

and some luck get you a slot there in the AFC. You think we have to go seven and four? Yeah, I think nine and eight is okay. I don't feel as good about that. Who don't you think you could beat there with that last spot? Pittsburgh or I don't know as good about that. You saw that Pittsburgh team. Who don't you think you could beat there with that last spot? Like Pittsburgh or... I don't know.

Some lame teams occupying that last spot. The Browns could be a disaster by then. Out of the great washed-up QBs in your lifetime, Oh, man. would you put him... Is he worse than Farvo

as that last Viking season or worse than Manning in that last Broncos season? Well, the key is that's what the Steelers fans are holding out hope for, right? The Manning thing. Is he worse than Manning who won a Super Bowl with that team? A lot of people, I don't know. My memory is clouded.

I remember when Aikman was coming to the end and it's like, oh my God, he's six concussions over the limit. He should have gone a while ago. Just checking down to terrible running backs like Troy Hamburg. Just please get him out of there. So I only remember my own guys. But yeah, that pass that hit Jamal Adams in the head.

That was unbelievable. That was like a rookie. How does he not see that? That's your guy you should focus on anyway, not throwing in his area. But of course he was going to close the gap there. It seems like there's a lot of the other team touching balls, which I mentioned last week in the pod.

Today you saw how many Seahawks touched a Roethlisberger pass today. Yeah. It was at least four. Well, there was the one that he had no chance of touching when he went forward with it. And then immediately tried to go, no, no, tuck roll, tuck roll. It's like, no, no more tuck roll. Yeah, sorry.

All right. Raiders are home for the Eagles. I think it'd be hilarious if the Raiders went on a run here. The Raiders are four and two, by the way. Yeah. And probably will be five and two after this game. Although the Eagles as an underdog play, who knows. I have the Raiders by four over the Eagles.

I went high on this. I said four and two versus two and four. It's in Las Vegas. I said five and a half. It's three. You get that one. Minshew? Is it Minshew time? Oh, man. I was saying I thought Minshew after six weeks. We might be there. He fought back, though, Hurts, against the... Yeah, they were down 30, though. I know. They covered.

That's all their coach cares about. I'd love to know from Eagle fans, who would they rather have the rest of the way? And do they even think it matters? Do they think... Because this is from... Like, Russillo. I was listening to Russillo on Friday.

Yeah. Who's a huge college football guy. I know you are, too. And he was like, this isllo. I was listening to Rossello on Friday. Yeah. Who's a huge college football guy. I know you are, too. And he was like, this is who Hertz was in college. Right. He just wasn't 100% accurate. And that was the question. That's why he wasn't, like, you know, a top 15 pick.

That's why he lost his job to Tua, all that stuff. Yeah, I don't know how you evaluate. You got lucky, maybe, potentially with the best Alabama quarterback. Otherwise, I don't know. It's like an embarrassment of riches. I don't know. It's like an embarrassment of riches. I don't know. It's like I don't even know what to say, but it's like hiring an AP from one of the major late-night talk shows,

and you get them on staff. You're like, oh, wait, someone else did all the work for you. I'm not mentioning any names, but you know what I'm saying. No, but what do you like? There's nothing to like about that Eagles. There's not one unit that I like. Darius Slay is fine on defense. Some games are better than others. I don't like their receivers. They're running

backs. Hurts is too inaccurate. I don't know what to root for there. We have a loaded poopfecta. There's five in the poopfecta this week, starting with Packers-Washington. Trouble in Heineke paradise, it looks like. They're already hoping maybe it could be Kyle Allen time. Heineke seems like that moment he had

in the Tampa playoff game probably was just a brief blip in a nice story that will probably be made in a Disney movie someday. Rodgers coming off the Ionia game. Green Bay feeling good. It just doesn't seem like Green Bay ever plays anyone good. But now they get Washington home.

I have Green Bay by nine and a half. Wow, you edged me out again. By the way, people warned me and said, because the Patriots lost to the Cowboys, you're going to be so down in the dumps that you were going to cheat this week and make sure you won. And we're seeing evidence of that a little bit here.

I said nine. But first of all, what people? Second, who would take time out of their day to even have an opinion on something like that? I don't know. There's a lot of people very interested in what we're doing. People are tweeting you. They're like, I've got to tell Sal this thought.

Yes. I've been to tell Sal this thought. Yes. I've been thinking about how Bill would react and I've decided he's going to cheat tonight on Guess the Lines. And Sal needs to know my thoughts. That's right.

It's one person. I made it like it was dozens. Hey, we used to break these down by one o'clock and four o'clock games. Then we used to say like, this is pumpkin patch, pumpkin picking Sunday

or something like this. If you look at the one o'clock games, just all really bad. Not a good one. Yeah, we used to say this was... Casey's Tennessee is all right. Yeah. No, we used to say it was go pumpkin patch. Apple picking?

Yeah. We used to say it was hang out with your wife day. And then people got upset because it's like, well, what if I like football and I'm female and I want to hang out with my husband? So now we have to call it hang out with your spouse slash family dad. Right. That's right.

Yeah. I'm still not going pumpkins. I'm still going to watch all of these games. Can I give you the six teams Green Bay's played? Just so you know. Yeah. They lose to New Orleans. Lions.

Right. 49ers. But didn't something weird happen in that game, right? Did Jimmy G get hurt in that game? They thrashed them, right? That game? What was the final? I don't even remember.

30-28. No, Jimmy G did play that game. They came back. They won at the end. They came back, yeah. Pittsburgh, Cincy, they win an OT, and then Chicago. Right. So if you're going to say, we said at the top of the pod the six teams

that we thought are in the circle right now for the Super Bowl. You don't want them in there. All right. They have not played any of the six. Coming up though

Arizona week eight Kansas City week nine Rams week 12 Baltimore at Baltimore week 15. So those are their four toughest games.

Yeah. That's on the horizon. Okay. I mean, they can go 10-7 still in that division. Well, I think that the 5-1 start makes you think they could go like 12-5, 11-6 again. I have Packers by 9.5. Yeah, you got it.

I said 9. It's 10. Okay. This is where I choose to be treating. Are we teasing them? Well, three-teamer? So, you like Tampa over Chicago or you're not touching that?

Green Bay? I'm staying away from that one. So far for teases, New England, Pats, Packers, I think are two good ones so far. Okay. All right.

Next poop pack game. There's another good one coming up. Falcons to offense. Not that one. I feel like these teams have played already. You have to show proof that they haven't. How is this not in London? This could cause a war if we don't send this to London.

Is it too late to move it to London? I know they both played in London already, but. Yeah. So this, this is in Miami. I'm sure the crowd's going to be delighted. And I think the Falcons are slight favorites.

I have the Falcons by one. Get it again, man. I said two. It's one and a half. Oh, we split. We split that one. Oh, I'll take that. Wow.

Yeah, maybe with... I'm trying to think what the equivalent of it is. They go to Miami and they go to Atlanta, the Falcons and Dolphins. Like, hey, Atlanta loved you so much. You guys have to go back. Will you do us a favor? Just go back. Then just keep going until one of you wins.

Until both of you win. I was talking to my dad today. My dad hates Miami. It's his least favorite football team. So he's really excited. They're one in five. And then he was even more excited that they might not have their pick. They're not going to have their pick. And it might be like a top five pick And then he was even more excited that they might not have their pick, they're not going to have their pick and it might be like a top five pick.

Right. And he was like, why don't these teams put protections on their picks like we do in the NBA? So if like something bad happens, you don't get screwed. And I was like, they just don't do it that way in football.

And he's like, but why? I don't have the answer. Like why wouldn't they? They could have easily said, here's our pick, but why? I don't have the answer. Why wouldn't they? They could have easily said, here's our pick, but it's top five protected or top eight, whatever, or it rolls over.

Yeah, that's got to just be an owner's thing, right? That's not in the players association. That has nothing to do with that. You can put any condition you want on it. Yeah, that's a good question. I'm going to ask some people I know. Pretty dumb. Next game. Giants-Panthers.

This is in New Jersey. I don't think I've guessed this all year. I have this as a pick-em. I'm going Giants-Pick-Em against the Panthers. All right, I'll get this one. I said three and a half for Carolina, who actually has a few wins to their credit. And it's three.

Wow. Don't tell me you like the Giants here. I think the Panthers. I think I was the most wrong on them. I corrected it this week, finally. Well, he had terrible numbers, 17 for 41, but he did look like a real quarterback, Sam Donald. And I root for him. And that 98 drive was pretty spectacular, plus the two-point conversion. And by the way... But he's already lost his confidence, though. No, I know. We got

better with the overtime rule that both teams get it if there's no touchdown score. But how does the home team not touch the ball in overtime? Is that what happened today in the Vikings game? They got to fix that. They got to get a stop. Both teams have to get something. I know. I think Darnold at one point was five for 17 in that game. Well, the very first 60 yards.

Interception. Yeah. Really weird. I mean, I like the chance that Vikings continue to be a team that just can't put anyone away. 379 yards at half. Doesn't ever matter. I had the Vikings minus two. I bet that.

Did you see what happened in that game? They were up eight. They're on like the 35, 40 yard line with the first down. Terrible run. Terrible run.

Third and 11. Yeah. And they just run it. And then they punt. Instead of like, they have Justin Jefferson and Thielen

who were open all game. Just gave the ball back to the, uh, Well, that's kind of what happened last week, right?

Didn't Madison fumble against the Lions? Yeah. Like, trying to kill the clock? Yeah, that's what I mean. They can't get out

of their own way. all right, good. Take the Giants. I mean, did you bid on Kadarius Toney? Were you one of the people who bid like $25 on him? Did not,'s what I mean. They can't get out of their own way. All right, good. Take the Giants. Did you bid on Kadarius Toney? Were you one of the people who bid like $25 on him? Did not, but he's good.

No, he is good. He's really good. Yeah, he got hurt. He's really hurt. Yeah. Well, two more Poop Factor games and they're going to have high lines. First one, Arizona's home. Trying to go 7-0 against a really terrible Texas team.

You have to pick this exactly because I did. It's a very big number. I picked Cardinals by 16. Oh, you should have said 17. I think that's what Buffalo was against Houston, right? Were they 17? That's a lot of points. I don't know.

This coach is this team. Let's just get on the bus. Let's... Come on. Let's make this painless as possible. Get out of here. Do you think we could talk FanDuel and the 15-point teases?

I think so. Yeah, they'll figure out a way to win. What would the VIG have to be and how many people would have to be in it? You know, there used to be 13-point... Not on FanDuel. There still is. There are? Yeah. But you want 15 to get this down to 2

13 point tees it has 4 teams and all of them have to win I think they should have a 16 point tees hey Fando we're talking to you 16 point tees Kyle put the cameras on Kyle 16 point tees and there should have to be some crazy

Vager action. Well, here's the thing. I think they could do it, because here's who loses on a 16-point teaser. I think they could still make money. The Giants lost 38-11. The Houston lost 31-3. Chargers would have killed everybody on a 16-point

teaser. Crushed everybody. So maybe it's like a five-team 16-point tease and it's like minus 135 or something like that. Yeah, I think that's what it would have to be. I'll tell you this. I would be doing it with the Cards and Rams. Yep. All right, let's do it.

Maybe they can get that going by Sunday. Come on, Fando. The Rams are home. They're playing the Detroit Lions, who we bet on for worst record this season. This is the Goff Bowl. This is Goff's homecoming. It's looking good. Yeah, they get to load up on Goff. There's already rumors

Goff might lose his job. Oh, yeah. They got to let him play this game. They got to let him play this game. And ironically, I had 17 for this one. I edged out here. I said 12 and a half. I went way low.

It's 14 and a half. Really? So this is where your 16-point teaser would be good. Let me check. Why is that line? That line's going to go. That'll be 16 by game time. 14 and a half right now.

You see the Rams today? The Rams are like the ultimate when we're up. Yeah, it's great. By 14, we're pouring it onto you. Now Henderson's a great goal line back and red zone back. Yeah, the Henderson thing's annoying. That's why I hate fantasy sometimes. We all watched Henderson the last two years, and he sucked.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah, this is... Yeah, Stafford, though, I guess. It doesn't matter. They killed the Giants. The Lions think. See, you've noticed what I was afraid to say out loud as well,

since we have a lot of money on the Rams for the season with stuff. Stafford does look kind of sketchy sometimes. Right? When there's pressure, he kind of gets discombobulated in ways. You just forget he hasn't been in that many big games or moments in his whole career, basically. I want a strong start from him. You know?

Like, oh, he's lock and step with Cooper Cup. Like, I don't know. We don't see, basically. I want a strong start from him. You know, like, oh, he's lock and step with Cooper Cup. Like, I don't know. We don't see it until the second or third quarter usually with him.

Slow starter. He needs some foreplay. It's a foreplay quarterback. Get up 14-3 on some of these teams. All right, two more. Sunday night,

Niners, Colts. I mean, what the hell do you do with this game? I'm out on Carson Wentz. I'm just out. I picked this exact, so this is going to be close.

You're out on him, huh? I don't see any difference. Just him, Darnold, Bridgewater. I think it's all the same result. All those guys. I have the 49ers at home favored by four and a half over the close. Oh, you nailed it. Exactly just like I did. Four and a half over the course. Oh, you nailed it. Exactly.

Just like I did. Four and a half is right. So what's the score right now? It is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. I feel like I was doing well. It's seven to seven. And I was one point off in the next game. Oh, man.

So you're a half or you get it. You should be able to get this. It's just the Monday night game, right? That's all that's left. God. Yeah. Monday night. It's just the Monday night game, right? That's all that's left? God. Yeah. Monday night. It's Seahawks at Saints. No, no, no. Oh, I shouldn't have said anything. Isn't it Saints at Seahawks?

Did I get that wrong? I think it's Saints at Seahawks. This is so diplomatic. You beat my team. You beat my team and then you saved me from a bad pick. You're right. They changed you from drowning. Now you're going to push me off the raft.

I have the Seahawks by two. You got killed here. I had Saints by two, and it's Saints by three. Sorry, Simmons. Saints by three. Sorry, Simmons. Saints by three. Wait a second. So you're telling me two even teams

in a matchup between Jameis and Geno in Seattle and they think the Saints should be favored by three. Yeah. Must win game for the Seahawks. Their season's basically over

if they lose. I'm even seeing three and a half in some spots wow okay maybe the Seahawks aren't good the Saints were off this week right maybe the Seahawks aren't good you saw how they struggled the Steelers are pathetic

yeah the Seahawks aren't good oh wow well so I'll take it perfect day for you I'm on 4-3 yeah this is great this is really nice

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corner first? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, go ahead. You go. You know, I just, this is just a nod to technology and we take for granted how great it is. And you and I are staring at each other over Zoom like we're 20 miles away and it's going to record and it's going to sound like we're three feet away, arms distance, you know, and just like all kinds of things we, like I said, take for granted. And one thing was, it's going to take a minute before I get there, but my son is now playing varsity football.

He was supposed to play Santa Monica and Santa Monica had to forfeit because of COVID. I think their coaches got it. Someone on the coach staff got it or whatever. So we no longer have a game. So now what ends up happening is these coaches look online to see where else a team was in a similar situation. Wait, it's like high school football Tinder.

Yeah. That's basically what it is. It's more grinder, but yeah, it's like swiping, right? Yeah. Just a bunch of guys getting together.

But so I imagine it was going to be like, all right, so they're setting up a new game and we hear that, okay, the game is against Fresno. We're like, okay, all right. Wow, that's a tough ride for them. It's like, no, no, no, we have to go there. It's like, what? It's like, yeah, there was their homecoming

and it's a high school in Fresno. And, you know, same kind of situation. Their opponent had COVID and they had to cancel. So we're going to go up there. That's like 90 minutes away. 90? How long is Fresno? It's three and a half hours away.

It's three and a half freaking hours away for a high school game. This is not a club team. This is a high school game. And on a Friday. So it could be seven hours. You don't know, right? With LA traffic, whatever traffic, wherever you're going. So I can't go because I have TV. I have the Fox show at 2, 2.30. So I'd miss the game. Well, my wife is beside herself. She's like, we have no notice. This was on a Thursday. The game's Friday. She goes, she gets up there. She goes with like a mom. She barely knows, drives up there.

It takes four and a half hours and they left early, so there's nothing to do for hours. They sit there. We ended up winning 35-6 with four minutes left. We won 35-26. Thank God for technology because one of the dads in the stands put it on Facebook Live. I'm watching it And it's great because now I could, you know, despite the fact that Archie had two sacks, I could, when he comes home at two in the morning, yell at him for his missed assignments for 20 minutes before I eventually let him go to sleep. And that's exactly what happened. So good job by you technology and a good job by Fresno for laying down for us. So your wife did the nine hour round trip plus the game and you just got to stay home and watch it on Facebook live. Yeah, exactly. I got on Facebook live and watch the Red Sox.

Amazing stuff. Yeah. My parent corner, I had two that I wanted to do, both of which got vetoed by my kids. As you know, I have a son in eighth grade, a daughter in 11th grade, and there's just a lot going on. And it's stuff that would be actually fantastic for Parent Corner.

But now it's like, it's not stuff you could tell. Like, oh, my son opened the door when I was in the car wash and the water came in. It's like, now these are like people with their own lives

and the stories are way better. And sadly, I can't tell them. And it's prom season. It's dance season. It's all that stuff. Yeah. And there's relationship stuff.

And it's just, sadly, can't talk about it. And it's the first time in the last couple weeks where I was jealous of you having the third kid, which I don't know if you guys were doing backflips about when it was in motion. But now I'm sure you're glad you have little Harrison. No, we're not doing backflips about when it was in motion, but now I'm sure you're glad you have little Harrison. No, we're not doing backflips. No, I'm not in any shape to do backflips. No, but I will say, why don't you adopt a kid? I don't know the

adoption policies, but can you just adopt a seven-year-old for the fall? And then when football season ends and we don't have to tell these dumb stories. I start showing up at people's games. Yeah. Give him or her up. Oh, yeah. You could show up at games. Well, I had the,

I guess the four dogs count as a third kid. Maybe. Four dogs equals one kid, I think. Yeah. Maybe. But yeah,

I just, for Parent Corner, I don't know. This might be the last year of Parent Corner for me. I can't tell any of the stories. Yeah. It's really rough.

Like I had my daughters, like if you tell blah, blah, blah, I'm actually going to kill you. Remember, someday you're going to be old and I'm going to be the one that takes care of you. I was like, all right. We've done it a couple times, but I think we can tell stories about our parents too. That's still the parent relationship,

isn't it? Maybe that's where this goes. Maybe parent corner. Yeah, everybody's... We got to keep our folks alive for a few more years. Well, my mom, she had some tooth thing and the dentist said she couldn't drink for like nine days. Drink? Booze?

Drink. Drink wine, yeah. Which we were just like, wow, this is going to be really, really interesting. And she showed up at Ben's flag football game on Wednesday. And I was like, oh, you're just here because you can't drink. And she's like, how'd you know? I guess that's a good paracorder. She didn't ask for a second opinion. She just went with it. No, I guess she went with it. Yeah. She asked for seven opinions.

All right. Let's talk succession. Yeah. So we got the screeners. We're going to watch one episode at the time. I am a big believer in the watch one episode at a time and try to time it with everybody else. I like it for this one, for this one, especially it's good. This has become this show. I don't think since Game of Thrones. And I think the pandemic had something to do with it because even if you didn't watch the first two seasons, you could catch up. Everyone's looking for shows. Everyone's caught up. People are ready. First show delivered. Yeah. Big time.

A lot of plot development, but at the same time, a lot of moving pieces. They really had to set stuff up. And I guess the big takeaway question I had, we're not at the point where you kind of have to root for one of the two people, right? You have to root for Kendall.

You have to be team Kendall or you have to be team Logan, which I always felt like with the family, I never felt like it was going to get to that point, but now we're here. So what side are you on? Are you team Kendall or team Logan? This is Belichick Brady, isn't it? I mean, have you even thought about it?

Isn't it more Belichick Mangini? Oh, Mangini. I think Kendall's more Mangini. He's like, he thinks he can do it on his own, but he really can't. Yeah. So that's why I'm rooting for Kendall because I think it's more of an uphill climb. Logan's a little Teflon. I feel like anything he does, he can get away with. He calls all the shots. So how does the guy who calls all the shots go down? That's what I want to see.

What I worry about with the writing, it's so good. It's so conversational and great. I just worry about the manipulations become too like, oh, come on. That's ridiculous. Like an inauthentic type. Yeah, right. I don't know this world anyway, but I could still see if anything's far-fetched. But so far, so good, man. It was really good. Like I said, the writing. I mean, what are some of the my favorite lines? If your hands are clean, it's only because your whorehouse does manicures.

Just phenomenal, right? I like the OJ scene was my favorite by far. Which one? The juice is loose. When Greg said it was like the OJ thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Greg's going through the internet. He's like, okay, so you're memeing well.

You're good memeing-wise. And you're trending after tater tots. Oh, and the Pope follows you. Oh, no, just someone called the Pope. All right, let me get on it. I can't read the whole internet right now. Well, then when Connor finds Connor's telling Willow about

the play and their change of direction, they're going to go the irony route. Yeah. Trying to get the hipsters and dipshits. Yeah, that was great. Trying to come and make fun of the play. All of it was great. Both Jack Horseman. It's crazy. The Kendall thing, though,

honestly, it's like a QB that can make a couple of the great throws and then make some of the worst plays you've ever seen. Where he's all doing it at the same time, right? He brings the high-powered PR people in. And instead of listening to ones, he's just overpowering them and babbling. He invites his wife over.

He's just a complete mess. But yet at the same time, he did figure out the big chess move as he got the best lawyer ahead of his dad. Yeah. Right. He, he did see a couple of things.

He was able to pull Greg cause he knew Greg had the smoking gun stuff he needed. And he's like, we're the competent and incompetent. Yeah. And like the call and singing to Shiv, like, like taunting singing and that's great.

Then he calls one of the father's henchmen. Yeah. Like, and just like, yeah, I have a spot for you too. It was just a, it's kind of perfectly done. And then kicking the, kicking the advisor out, like right henchmen. Yeah. Like, and just like, yeah, I have a spot for you too. It was just, uh, it's kind of perfectly done.

And then kicking the, kicking the advisor out, like right off the bat, the car guy, you're in me with me or against me at this point. So good. So wise. Was and Chris did a,

a pre-cap preview episode on Friday for the prestige TV thing. And they, and one of them was saying club care, club Carolina. They both love Carolina. I thought I was the only one who saying club care, club Carolina. They both love Carolina. I thought I was the only one who loved Carolina, the PR person. They don't really use her that much,

but I've always like every time she's on, I'm like, Oh, Carolina. Yeah. She's good. And she had a good scene in this too. I was hoping maybe it would lead to more Carolina.

I'm on the tarmac. Which one was it on the top? Which one? Carolina is the one, the PR lady that he kicks out. Right. Of the car. First one, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's good. But yeah, so where do we go? What happens? What do you think from what you saw in that hour? So you got to figure, well, first of all, does anyone come over to his side from the family or the, you know, or the lieutenants? What would you say? I think he gets one.

No way. No, she doesn't, right? I think Roman's a possible double cross. Because Roman against Shiv is so good. That's such a good dynamic, and you can keep that if he comes to the side. It's going to be interesting. There's some Tom possibilities

just because his character is so hard to predict. And I think he loves Greg probably more than Shiv in some ways. Right, right. If you look at Tom, the next time you focus on him, it's Peyton Manning

and Jon Hamm had a kid. That's Tom. That's it. And by the way, that's not out of the question. That could still happen. Technology these days. Yeah.

Yeah, I think at some point, the big crux of this season is going to be how far does Logan want to go to shut this down? Right. Because he has

lots of ammo with Kendall. Not only the drug stuff, but he murdered somebody. And at some point, they could say they covered that up and he could play that card. And then,

this might just end up being like nuclear war where everybody destroys each other. Right. I'll say Tom comes over. Out like nuclear war where everybody destroys each other. Right. I'll say Tom comes over out of everyone. Out of everyone you mentioned. That's a good point. I think Tom comes over.

Um, he leaves Logan. Also Sana Lathan. Oh, I've always loved loving basketball. Oh, right. Yeah.

She was the lawyer. So she, she got to join. It seems like she's going to have more to do. And then, um, and then my favorite Jerry, she's going to have more to do and then my favorite Jerry she's going to be the acting

CEO we'll see we'll see how that goes on extra points we have a prop culture quiz you can join extrapoints.com slash arcade and it's basically we had fuck offs versus how many apologies from Greg and I think it was like

four to three. Oh, wow. Who was favorite? Logan won. Logan won. He was given a half. So, yeah, that's a fun game to play. Greg, the apologies are so good.

Stupid thing in the kitchen. I'm excited to have it back. It's weird to have it back because I did a double rewatch of the first two seasons. So now it's like, oh, my God. Oh, you did? New scenes. Yeah. I really like this show. It's weird to have it back because I did a double rewatch of the first two seasons. So now it's like, oh my God. Oh, you did? New scenes. Yeah. I really like this show. It's a good one.

All right. Well, at the end of every episode, we'll talk for five minutes. So you're Team Kendall. I think I am too. Yeah, you have to be, right? You kind of have to be, right? Yeah, he's trying to thread this needle that you know he's not going to thread, but I like watching him try to do it.

All right. What do you got to plug? Against all odds, Monday night, we'll pick the winner. We'll go over props, Extra Points podcast, Wednesday and Friday on extrapoints.com. All your sports gambling needs. Thursday night, football on Fox. I go for 12 in a row. Might take Denver. Just to

silence the critics a little bit here. I don't know. What do you 12 in a row, Denver or Cleveland? We're talking non spread. Oh, shut up. If you don't get this one on Thursday,

you can say I'm going for 13 in a row where I've, I've picked this game 13 weeks in a row. I actually got mad at you. What did I say? I'm like, go jerk off Schrager. You did. You got mad at you. What did I say? I'm like, go jerk off Schrager. You did.

You got mad at me. Go ahead. Go in your dumb Bitcoin betting hour segment. I thought that was a good idea, the Bitcoin betting hour. This is Bitcoin betting hour. I'm putting a billion something we've never heard of. Schrager, you just shake your head there. No, Schrager's super important.

You're going to miss a little pod. We won again today. We've had six out of seven weeks. I don't think either of you are super important, to be honest. What do you think our friend Daniel's going to do with his Red Sox World Series bet? I don't even want to talk about it. It just gets me upset.

Because we have to go into the specifics. But he stands to win a lot of money and he can hedge to break even on a lot of money and he could hedge to break even on a lot of money that he's lost. And he's Mr. Let it ride. He's letting it go. And it's not even a jinxing thing. He doesn't even care about that.

Like that I can almost say, but well, whatever. You take it from here. He's a good guy. Well, the Red Sox, the Red Sox I think are plus 105 for the Astros series. Yes, right.

So you called it. You're like, hey, he should wait until it's 1-1, and that's the time to bet the Astros in the series. He's not going to do it. I actually think the Red Sox will win game three. And then they'll be what? Like minus 140 at that point, something like that? Right in there, yeah.

And if they win game three, that's the time to hedge because I don't think they can win three in a row because they can't pitch Whitlock. They can't pitch Whitlock all three games. He can only pitch two of the three. Do you even have a starter name? I guess you do. Rodriguez?

Erod's been sneaky good at Fenway. No, he's going to be all right. I'm okay with him. It's the Whitlock piece of it. Like, if you notice in game... Did you watch game one? Sure, yeah. It was 4-3, and they didn't want to waste Whitlock piece of it. Like if you noticed in game, did you watch game one? Sure. Yeah. It was four,

three, and they didn't want to waste Whitlock down a run because they knew they needed him for game two. Next day. So they, so they brought in, uh, Sal Mora,

who of course gave up the insurance run. And then we homered in the top of the ninth and now it's five, four instead of four, four, because they didn't use Whitlock. Like the Whitlock thing, it's so important how they use him. He's like the best pitcher we have.

But the bottom line is we shouldn't go to the World Series if sales are going to suck. So this is going to be over next time we speak, right? Wait, what do you have? You have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then off day Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Yeah, this is over next time we do the pot. So what is your prediction here? I'm looking at the odds.

I honestly think we can win. I don't think it will be in Boston. I think it has to be back in Houston. Six or seven? No McCullers. The Granke thing's weird. I guess they're just not going to count on him. And I don't know if they have the starters.

The problem is they have these dudes they can bring in who, you know, like, God, I'm blanking on the reliever they brought in in game one because we had them on our keeper team. He threw like over 100 innings this year. They have dudes that like would easily be the second best reliever that we had after Whitlock. It's fun. I love this.

I'm going to predict by next Sunday, Altuve will be your most hated player in Major League Baseball. He's terrifying. Well, the other thing is that stupid ballpark they have is even dumber than my ballpark. I don't know. It's so close.

There's 340-foot homers all over the place. And then there's that one spot in right center where it's like 500 feet. It's really close. I bet Stanton would disagree with that. I think your team in six is, well, I'm looking at it, plus 420.

Your team in seven is plus 480. Oh, wow. If I was betting the Red Sox, I would bet on both of those. Those two results. Versus the series because I don't think they can win three in a row. Yeah.

Maybe Daniel will load up on it. He'll add to it instead of hedging like he should. The path for them winning three in a row in Boston would be E-Rod would have to be unbelievable in game three. He'd have to go like seven, which he's done from time to time. Game four,

some sort of sale-Pavetta combo, right? And they somehow get seven innings out of those guys. And then game five would be the Evaldi-Whitlock lock it down game. I mean, I kind of like it, the two-inning thing, except that it just takes forever. And that nobody, I mean, really in this series,

nobody's ace is reliable, right? Like, Sale's not reliable. You got Houston's from Revaldez. Well, Sale's not, honestly, Sale's not the ace anymore. No, I guess not. We don't trust Sale at all. Yeah, but then Scherzer got beat today. Dodgers are in trouble.

Braves are minus 190 after two games. Although they were down 3-1 last year to the Braves and came back. Yeah, that's fun. Playoff baseball is great. I got to say, the Dodger thing is stunning to me. Like, when you think the Braves lost the best guy on the team. Yeah. And I know they patched it together and the guys came through and all that stuff.

But that's just crazy that they could make the World Series without Acuna. Well, that's why I hate to defend the Braves because now I can't root for the Red Sox. Astros are brave, so I find myself rooting for the Dodgers as a Met fan. But yeah, Acuna is out. You could talk about the 107

wins for the Dodgers or Giants. Like, hey, they had the best player out and they're in the playoffs and they're playing well, like as good as anybody here. That's a tough one. You got it. I feel like you have to win one of the first two

on the road like that because it's so hard to then know six and seven is back in Atlanta. Right. The chop is disorienting, man. It's like that atmosphere and it's like that droning sound

for three hours. It's not like a comfortable place to play. It's like that atmosphere and it's like that droning sound for three hours. It's not like a comfortable place to play. It's not typical. What's the over-under for that? A year and a half before they get rid of the team name and the celebration? I got to say,

I'm kind of shocked they're still doing it. I know. With all the stuff that's gotten canceled, I would have thought that would have been pretty high on the list.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I've given up trying to figure this out. But man, if the Braves made it without Acuna, that would be remarkable. Yeah, they're fun to watch. I think we can get there.

I really do. And I would much rather play the Braves than the Dodgers. I'll tell you that much. I think you had a good chance. But with Daniel, our friend Daniel not hedging, it's a force stronger than any bad managerial move, stronger than any bad umpire decision or call. And I'm sorry. Well, he's bet on the Red Sox every time they've won.

Oh, that's true. So that's, it's not like Carolla bet on them. And every time they've lost. Yeah. But yeah. He bets on them every year. I saw Carolla Wednesday at this thing. Yeah.

And, oh, you were there too. Well, I, you know, I talked to him about it. You're going to bring up the love boat because I told him, Simmons is a little disappointed. I think he tries to talk TV with you and you say you're watching the love boat. He's like, yeah,

it's the only reliable thing on TV. Yeah, I thought he was kidding. No. I was like, what are you watching? He was like, the love boat. And then for a second, I was thinking, is there a new love boat?

Like on FX or something? No, no. There's an the love boat. And then for a second, I was thinking, is there a new love boat? Like on FX or something? No, there's an old love boat. He's still watching love boat. I'm like, where do you watch the love boat? It's like Pluto. I'm like,

what's going on? This is what you do at night. Some fan bought him captain Steubing's jacket. And he talked about it for all like 45 minutes today. It's so stupid. It's the same plot every time. Oh, it's the one where Vic Tabak's on. Yeah.

Three weeks in a row is a different character. Our friends are all lunatics. What happened to us? It might be. Really crazy. All right. So, as always, especially today, good job by you. Good job by you, Billy. This podcast was produced by Kyle Creighton. Don't forget about the rewatchables. We did The Color of Money, Sal.

Oh, I love it. 30th anniversary. So that's coming tomorrow. And then Prestige TV podcast morning show, mid-season. So we will see you on Tuesday on This Week.