The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Cowboys-Pats Sadness Contest, Apex Allen, Boger-mania, and Round 2 Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss yet another heartbreaking Cowboys playoff loss, the Bills thrashing the Patriots, the Steelers’ flop vs. the Chiefs, Raiders-Bengals, and Eagles-Buccaneers (2:12), before speculating on Rams-Cardinals and guessing the lines for the divisional round of the NFL playoffs (53:40). They close the show with Parent Corner (1:13:30). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Coming up on this podcast, Cousin Sal and I, our teams are gone, our love for football gambling remains, and we're going to talk about round one as well as the round two lines on this feed. First, our friends from pearl jam All right, we are taping this. It is a little after 8.15 on Sunday night Pacific time. Two losers are here. Cousin Sal, his Cowboys went down today

in one of the dumbest games I've ever watched in my life. And last night, my Patriots lost one of the worst losses in the history of the Belichick era, if not the worst. But let's start here. Sunday night, Roethlisberger driving for one last, not even to cover the spread. It was to cover every Steelers tease. It was heroic. They're calling timeouts.

Yeah. Just couldn't get it done. Chiefs cover every which way. So we ended with another big favorite. The Bucs were an early favorite. And then your team was smack dab in the middle with yet another incredibly memorable Cowboys playoff

loss. How do you do it, Sal? How do you do it? First of all, you're right. We should have tempered all these losses with some money at least, right? All we do is money line parlays. The Cowboys 49ers was the game to stay away from and then just put every favorite in that thing. I don't know, man. I don't't know there's so much to discuss in that game and i'm i'm uh i like to think i've matured over the years i would have been breaking shit around the house

and i think like now i've seen enough tiktok and youtube videos of like you know grown men like smashing their hand through a tv and like elderly FS1 correspondents crying, wearing a Cowboys jersey into the camera. So I was like, all right, I'm not going to do that. I'll go for a little walk. Remember you used to go for a walk with the Deuce, right? Yeah. I went for a little walk.

Deuce and I walked for three hours once after Red Sox game. Yeah, it was three hours. And then I just walked to the local, the Vaughn's to get beans. My wife was making chili. I went with her and I was fine. I used to cry at movies, but then I get home and I see my son who's upset and I've, I've saddled him with this loser team. And I've promised I'd take him to a super bowl.

Eventually it's going to happen in our lifetime. You and I had plans to go this year. We were talking about it. We wanted odds. We wanted Fandle to boost it a hundred to one. And I was like, I could get over it but how much longer do I have with this team this was the year where the division sucked

the quarterbacks all sucked the Eagles are going to replenish they have three first round picks they know Hurts isn't the answer the Giants eventually will get their shit together Washington and I'm like Cowboys may be further than everybody with this garbage head coach and just not being able to put anything together.

Now I'm back to being distraught. Wow. You're in a dark place. That was very reminiscent of me after the Boone home run in 2003. Was it? Yeah. Seeing like mortality for the first time, like really thinking about the finish line and not getting there. Remember I left work the next day?

We were working for Kimmel's show. Right. I had to leave the next day. We were working for Kimmel's show. Right. I had to leave the next day. I was there and I left it too. I was like, I gotta go home. You're very mad. You heard we recorded you too, reacting to it. Well, I left.

I left before the Boone home run. I knew you were secretly recording me. But yeah, man, especially you have the worst thing, which you've passed the Cowboys onto your kids like it's a venereal disease so at least one and i not done that it would have been it would have been fine but now i have to answer to that and it's like i don't know i go through different phases like all right was this team gonna win the super bowl no uh all right we're getting killed it's 23-7 we're not gonna

come back and then you know how it is they let you in it's it's disgusting how they do it and the interception with nine minutes left and they close the gap and they kick a field goal, which actually makes sense at the time. Now we don't need two scores to tie with the two-point conversions and then that shit, that play at the end, I don't even know what to say.

The draw that every other team says 18 seconds is the cutoff line, but you guys was 14 seconds? Talk about it online. Like, maybe Kellen Moore designed that play so Mike McCarthy could get fired. Like, yeah, okay, let's go with it. Oh, like he snaked him?

Yeah, yeah. Like he's Tom in succession? Exactly. Right, right. He just puts the hand on the wife's shoulder, and that's it. We're moving on. But no, like, how can you not want two shots at the end?

So, first of all, it's going to be a Hail Mary maryish pass anyway even if you do down that with two seconds it'll be a 30 yard or 25 yard hell mary don't you want two shots at the end zone from the 40 we can go back and back and back and just how nobody gets called for two defensive holding plays on a run like this yeah officiating was really bad but but not not for that game. I'm not going to cry about the officiating because it was so much worse than so many other games. Jerome Boger was like, hold on, guys. Jerome Boger, here's my thing with the officials. If you go to every major sports bar in America and you ask, name any referee. It's like, okay, Jerome Boger,

Sean Hockley. That's it. Those guys should not be working. Those guys shouldn't be working. I don't care how they grade in an October game, the Colts and Titans. If anybody knows their names, they're NFL serial killers. They shouldn't be allowed to do postseason

games. That should be the standard, right? It's great. The NBA was like that, too. Danny Crawford was the best ref for a while and nobody knew what his name was for a long time until he started feuding with Dallas. Yet with your team, look, I get the QB draw, the take it by surprise,

gets you 12 yards closer. You had one of the most incompetent good teams week to week that I think I've watched in a while. So the odds of you successfully pulling off a play where your QB has to time it, slide, get the ball, get everybody lined up. Nobody's going to be offsides, no illegal motion, anything like that. And it's just going to all work perfectly in 14 seconds. If that, if Fandle had had live odds of that, I would have said what 10 to one to seven things that need to happen on this play are going to happen for this team, this fucked up

Cowboys team that had 14 penalties and a whole bunch of other weird shit going on and weird play calling. You got a fake punt. You got an interception. At this time of the game when it looked like the Niners were going to put it away, it was what we watched all year.

The only thing that the bingo card, the only one that didn't hit was Zerloin made every kick. Where were the odds of that? I thought for sure, but I was like, they're going to tie it, but then he's going to miss the extra point. They're going to kick it to go ahead. The Cowboys have done it! It's 23-0! And then he misses the P.A. thing. I was actually waiting for that. Oh, but no, yeah, so I

think that play, no, go for two passes from there. That's it. Two Hail Mary-ish passes from 35 or 40. That's your best bet to score. Maybe you get a penalty or something, too. But if you're going to do that play, run 10 yards. Don't run 30 because you're going to get up and you're going to look back and there's going to be four 300-pound dopes trying to catch up to the line of scrimmage

and three even slower referees or officials that need to down this ball. And I love that physically. It was like an actual incident. They bumped into each other. That was that. But no, it just buzzed me out physically. It was like an actual incident. Like they bumped into each other. Like that was that. But no, it just buzzed me out there. Thank God we had Romo. Thank God Romo was doing the game

because if that had been Drew Brees, we never would have known what would have happened. But Romo had it immediately. He's like, the umpire's got to touch the ball. Right. He's got to get in here

and try to get it. And he couldn't get it. And that's why he bumped into Dak. Dak shouldn't have. It just sucks. They're running. It's the perfect way for the game then. Yeah.

I mean, we had one yard rushing like an hour into the game. They're just a dumb, dumb ass team. I think they scored over 500 points. Only two teams have been eliminated in this round having scored 500 points. And of course, mine's one of them. Well, then on the flip side,

you have the Niners who were just dominant in the first half. And settling, there's one field them. Well, and then on the flip side, you have the Niners who were just dominant in the first half. Right. And settling, there's one field goal they settled for when it was 13-0.

And I'm, for the most part, like, take the points if it's smart, but if you have a chance, you know, I think it's situational. I hate when they do all the numbers.

It's like, oh, there's a 56% chance or 54. Right. The situation has to matter. I felt like they could get a yard on you anytime they wanted in that game. And he kicked the field, goes 13-0. He came right back down

and it felt like they left the door open for you, but then you couldn't kick it down. Niners in control late. Jimmy G, the pick you knew was... How long were you waiting for that pick? Two hours? Well, he had one... I mean, it's a get-out-of-jail-free card, right? You could just use it whenever you want. So, okay, this is

a nice time left. You knew it was coming. He overthrew somebody earlier. He was good in that game, but he'll have the three terrible passes. But then Shanahan punts. What was that? Midway through the fourth quarter when he was over midfield. Oh, no. He was at...

Yeah, he was over midfield. He punts. I thought that was going to come back to haunt him. It doesn't. Then they come back down. They can put the game away. And it's fourth and inches. They get a movement penalty of fourth and inches. All you have to do is just sneak six inches.

I was getting, as a Pats fan, the 28-3 Falcons flashbacks. Maybe this is... Shanahan's just the biggest loser we've ever had as a coach. By the way, Quinn's on the other side. Right. They canceled each other out. Yeah. But, yeah.

So, I tweeted this with two minutes left. It became a game that you felt like whoever lost was going to be absolutely catastrophically devastated. And it ended up being your team. But if the Niners lose that, I actually think it's like 20% worse. I think it's worse, yeah. Yeah, because they were up big and they deserved to win. Look, I'm not going to cry about the refs in that game. They ran all over.

Steve O'Samuel had seven yards a carry. It was crazy. He should touch the ball every single time. I know. That's the guy. I mean, can you imagine? We talk about Kittle. Kittle had one reception, probably only like two or three targets the whole game.

It doesn't even matter. They have like five playmakers. And Jimmy G, not even spectacular numbers. If you told me it was 16 for 25 for 172 in interception, I'd be like, oh, how much did we win by? You know? But I don't know. They did enough. They're just a weird, weird team.

And I don't know. We'll talk about next week's games. But my God, disappointed. It's a big third down throws. And I don't know. We'll talk about next week's games. But my God, disappointed. He hits a big third down throws. Kittle was weirdly invisible. They didn't go to him that much. It was almost like they were using him more as a blocker. I mean, I had a lot of stuff on the Niners.

I'm not going to lie. And I didn't tell you because, you know. What? Yeah, I'm sorry. It's all right. Someone's got to make out of it. Yeah. Bosa went down. Then Warner went down. It's all right. Someone's got to make out of it. Yeah. Bosa went down.

Then Warner went down. Bosa and Warner, yeah. And at that point, I was like, wow, this is lined up for the all-time Dallas comeback. And I was thinking about, do I live bet this and try to offload some of my Niners' worries? But it felt like if that game was one more quarter,

you probably win by 10. So that's silver one more quarter, you probably wouldn't buy 10. So that's silver lining. Yeah, that's good. That's good. They just, they should make them longer, longer, longer games. That's all. Yeah. Five quarters.

When they cut to McCarthy during a playoff game like that, and he's just staring out onto the field, like somebody who doesn't know where he left his car in a garage. Like what, what, what are the emotions that run through knowing that that's your caretaker for your playoff destiny? I wish they wouldn't do it. I used to get that way with the Jones family. When they cut to the Jones family,

I cut it out. This is a jinx. And then it's like, Oh, they have to show something right. They have to show the sidelines. Right. Um,

maybe if, you know, if Romo was dating Carrie Underwood, otherwise they would show her like, well, I guess they have to show something. One of the misfits here, and it has to be Mike McCarthy, who's just not prepared. Even at 23-7, I was like, I want to blame McCarthy for some time management thing or something. It's like, oh yeah, what about all these penalties? Pre-snap penalties

is a great sign of your team is just horribly coached. There there it was. It didn't even have to be. And then, of course, the game at the play at the end was terrible, too. But no, I thought it'd be next week. I'm like, oh, we got one more. Shanahan against McCarthy. That's not too bad.

We can win that matchup. Everything else equal. But I thought it'd be next week that he screwed it up. But yeah, he I mean, they're all despicable characters, honestly. Can we stop with the Kellen Moore? What coaching job is he going to get? Yeah. Why don't you go into these games the same way the Niners go into games

with Debo Samuel where they're just like, this guy's getting touches. We're getting this guy the ball. He's leaving this game. He's going to touch the ball 12 to 15 times. Yeah. CD didn't have a catch until the fourth quarter. I know. He had a couple fair catches on punts, but it's just so weird that you have these weapons that you're not necessarily using.

We should talk about the Dak thing really quickly. That interception he had was a killer. It was like a B-minus, C-plus game from him, but they needed him to be at least very good in that game. And he was not. Yeah. It's so frustrating because he is, he showed, he looks like one of the best a lot of times,

you know? Yeah. And then he just can't get it done in a game like this. And I don't know what helped that if they could run right. They were always better when Zeke was able to run. And then Zeke said today he was playing with a torn, partially torn PCL. I don't know what week he was talking about.

What is the PCL? I don't know. From 2020? Yeah, is that about September, the third week? Week three? What's he talking about? Yeah. So that explains it.

Yeah, that's great. Well, you also had the Jerry World Stadium. You had the glaring sunlight at one point. And then you had the punt hit the, hit the scoreboard, which is always fun. And if that was a Tampa Bay baseball playoff game, that boss live, we're just going to get it.

But we had the rare do over. I didn't know they, I don't remember the do over rule, but, uh, isn't that weird? Isn't that very, very weird.

That's a do over. And I guess I've taught, we have some Cowboys friends or older, you know, back when the stadium was built, they say that was Jerry's thing. That was his mandate. Back when the stadium was built, they say, that was Jerry's thing. That was his mandate.

It's like, all right, it's got to be a do-over if it's a scoreboard. Because he wanted a curtain to come on over it during punts. And the league said, no, no, no. That thing stays if it goes down at all, the curtain. So it was a big mess. It was a tough day for him. This isn't worthy of a turning the camera on Kyle moment, but

I was thinking about the Cowboys today in that game. I know Twitter. There's not everybody on Twitter, but it was such a fun social media game. Everybody's watching. It's the biggest audience you're going to have. People are either on text threads or they're on Twitter or they're

on Reddit or wherever they are. Nickelodeon thing. You got the slime. You got the Nickelodeon thing. You got the slime and everything. Everyone's experiencing all the good and the bad and the bizarreness of this team over the course of three and a half hours. You're just getting the full package. I was thinking the Cowboys, when we were growing up

in the 70s, you had Dallas, the TV show. You had all these famous stars that the Cowboys had, right? Like Staubach and Dorsett and Drew Pearson and Too Tall Jones. And they were just this larger life team. You had the cheerleaders. Cheerleaders.

The cheerleaders go on Love Boat. And it was just this, they just felt like bigger than a football team. Debbie Does Dallas. Debbie Does Dallas. You had a great porn movie and a whole porn series come out of it. Then in the 80s, it's kind of the reckoning, which is a little bit like America. Debbie Does Dallas. Debbie Does Dallas. You had a great porn movie and a whole porn series come out of it. Then in the 80s, it's kind of the reckoning,

which is a little bit like America. Like the 80s, by the end of the 80s, it's a little bit of a reckoning for us as a superpower. The Cold War dies and the cowboys are kind of dead. Then in the 90s,

they come back and they become, what did I write? Oh, new billionaire owner. Right. They win some Super Bowls. They figure out how to rig the salary cap their way and they've figured out the system.

And then over in the late 90s into the 2000s, now they've kind of morphed into whatever this is, which has really been the same situation now for two plus decades where it's like everybody talks about them all the time. They haven't even made... Have you made an NFC title game since 1995? I don't think you have.

It's been a long time. No. You have this new state-of-the-art stadium. You have one of the most powerful owners. You're just in the mix in all these different ways. And then it all culminates in these playoff games where everybody's experiencing it at the same time, wondering, wow, what a fucking messed up franchise this is.

I don't know what your out is because it's not like Jones is going to sell. Jump off the roof. I was thinking, I have the guy, I think you hire Brian Flores. I think he's really good. I was wildly impressed by him as the Dolphins coach. You bring him in, he's a real coach and he'll fight with Jerry a little, but maybe that's what you need. Maybe you need need a Billy Martin, George Steinbrenner. You need the coach who's not going to take shit, who's not like a Patsy. He's not freaking Lee Harvey Oswald.

It bums me out because I think the thing you added or you could have added to, they now play in a division that sucks. It was heralded for so many years. All those errors you talked about. There were so many great and important rivalries, and there's nothing like that anymore. Whereas these other three teams are trying to find their footing, Dallas should be

dominating. Well, I don't know what you want to do with all that information. Are you going to make another music box out of it? No. I just think you need to hire somebody who's a kick-ass. It's a kick-ass GM or a kick-ass coach. But the whole thing of Jerry being in charge of everything. And how old is the guy now? Is it his mid-70s? Yeah.

Well, yeah. His 70th was like three years ago. Yep. Yeah. And they definitely blew the McCarthy. I don't think they're doing it, though.

Honestly, I think they, as long as he's around, they're going to have a hire like this. Well, we're going to be here a year from now and you're going to have that sad look on your face.

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or set your own goal and mow your own way. Do great things this November. Sign up now. Just search Movember. So Cowboys Niners, quickly, just the Niners piece. We were done. We were just done with that. The Niners piece, because I thought the winner of that game, I said on Thursday's pod, I

think the winner of this game goes to the Super Bowl. And I picked the Niners to win. If Bosa, you know, this game's going to be on Saturday, it looks like. So he's six days to recover from a head injury. Right? And then you have Warner.

I don't know whether he's going to be hobbled. And I wonder now, do I like them as much? Especially, like if you're the Niners and you're a Niners fan, do you feel better or worse or the same than you did 24 hours ago? Because I think the fans probably feel a little worse.

The team's not as healthy. But on the other hand, you got through it and you gutted out this ugly, but you won, you advanced. Now you're going to Lambeau. And they're a really nice matchup against the Packers. They're going to be able to run the ball and move the ball on their defense. Yes, they play like they did today. They're going to be able to run the ball and move the ball on their defense. Yes, they play like they did today. They're not winning that game. And then I think

at night in Lambeau, if you ask Green Bay, and they may have actually done this, when do you want to play this team? Well, we're obviously at home. Let's play Saturday night. Wouldn't that be perfect? That's the perfect spot for them here at Green Bay. I know what you're saying. Well, Saturday night against

a team that played five and a half days earlier, that's the other piece of it too. Right. Yeah. It is a nice spot for the Packers and the Titans were the other one. The two one seeds really lucked out this year with this seven team system because the Titans end up somehow

avoiding Buffalo and Kansas City, who I think are the best two teams to make confidence. The obvious thing to... Can I play devil's advocate against 99% of football watchers and fans who hate the 7 team and hate the 14 teams? I like it. I just... It's kind of just

sucked the way it went out. I like it, though. Yes. First of all, how great is it that we have... Except that it screws up the lines. We're going to have a Monday night playoff game. That's fun. That's fun as shit. Secondly, I get it screws up, guess the lines. We're going to have a Monday night playoff game. That's fun. That's fun as shit. Secondly, I get it. The Eagles were atrocious and the Steelers were bad too.

Maybe even atrocious as well. But we got unlucky with the seven seeds. It could have easily been, it could have been the Titans as a two seed, which it should have been had the chiefs held on against the Bengals. And it could have been the charges as a seven. How great would that have been? That would have been a good game, right? That would have been a perfectly fine game. So, I don't know. You just got stuck with bad quarterbacks

and Hurts and Roethlisberger for the seven seeds, but I think there's enough good quarterbacks that there's going to be. Now, six is probably enough, but I don't mind the seven. Everybody's killing the seven teams. My God, we're going to have a playoff game tomorrow night. I'm pro seven. I just think it was unfortunate how it worked this year. Really, the Saints should's killing the seven teams. My God, we're going to have a playoff game tomorrow night. I'm pro seven. I just think it was unfortunate how it worked this year.

Really, the Saints should have been the 17. If Jameis doesn't get hurt, they're in that game. Now you have Sean Payton as the seventh seed and maybe the Niners move up. But the Eagles were the one that I just couldn't understand it. That line moved a point and a half today. I'm not saying

I'm right all the time, but in that one, I was like, wow, just because Leonard Fournette's out, that line's going line moved a point and a half today. I'm not saying I'm right all the time, but in that one, I was like, wow. Just because Leonard Fournette's out, that line's going to move a point and a half? Yeah, that was the only scratch, really. Everyone freaked out. Let's talk about my terrible team. Well, first of all,

I want to start with Buffalo because that was one of the best offensive games I've ever watched. Why? Because they didn't punt? They just scored touchdowns or kneeled? That was the only way to end the drives? They completely destroyed us. They broke us. I'm wondering, Josh

Allen now, and I don't know what championship belt title this is, but his best game I think is better than anyone else's best game, including Mahomes. When he plays like that yesterday, I don't think he's I don't think it's possible for him to lose. If he's going to run like that

and throw with that kind of confidence and be as accurate as he was, there's honestly no way to defend him. I don't know what the answer is. So I think he took the title. I also think he's very close to taking the I stupidly bet against this guy and now he's murdering me in this playoff game title.

Oh, interesting. Remember, Rogers had that for a while. Peyton Manning had that for a while. Brady obviously had that. I did feel like he was getting there. Or door B is my team is just bad.

One of the playoff manifesto rules is don't overreact to the team that looked awesome last round. Do you think Buffalo was just the team that we're going to overreact to, but they looked awesome last round. Do you think Buffalo was just the team that we're going to overreact to, but they're not as good as they looked in round one? Well, they for sure have, right. No team's as good or bad as they

looked the week before, is what you say. But they were for sure the best performing team of the weekend. No question about it. Josh Allen, maybe the best. Forget about cold weather remember when we sat down to analyze this you called me like yeah i'm like oh there's gonna be no point scored i hadn't adjusted under 55 and a half i was like this is so easy this is so damn easy

and he went not i don't remember a better even cold weather performance i was looking back at like farve he beat he beat seattle in an nfc championship but it was like 25 degrees it was zero that ball was a rock and he did everything he wanted with it he threw obviously ran he felt like he had like uh three extra yards on the sideline where he could tiptoe just running the ball like he was phenomenal and i think we'll there'll be overvalued just a tiny bit going to casey and arrowhead um i'd saying they're going to lose that game, or they should, but yeah, I think they'll be overvalued just a bit, but

you can't say enough about that performance, right? Here's why I'm actually a believer, and it's not just because they beat my team. I think fundamentally they changed who they were and how they operate that offense after that cold weather game. The key, I was watching when it happened,

filing it away, and I don't think I was the only one, that Tampa game. It was after that Pats win game when it seemed like the Pats had broken them a little psychologically. They get blown out in the first half by the Bucs. They come out in the second half and they're just like, fuck it. Yeah. We're just, this is, Alan, we're living or dying with you,

but you're going to have the ball every play doing whatever and you're in shotgun and do your thing. And I think they discovered who they were in that second half. And,

you know, I was going to that playoff game. I was hoping it was going to be freezing cold, which it doesn't seem like it was as cold as two degrees is supposed to be because there's no wind.

Well, I was just going to say the wind usually comes with it. So that's my valuable lesson. Right. Yeah. So you need the wind chill for it to be, even's no wind. Well, I was just going to say the wind usually comes with it. So that's my valuable lesson. Right. Yeah. So you need the wind chill for it to be, even though you can see everyone's breath, it was just cold, but it wasn't like you couldn't function cold.

Yeah. But I was praying like, please, let's have them have the quarter where they just hand the ball off and they try to, and no, he was in shotgun, guys spread, just surveying it. And it's like, Oh, everyone's covered. I'll run for 20 yards. They score right away.

We have, you know, we have bold and drops that pass, which was awful. And then great pick. They come back down. They score 14, nothing.

We get the ball back. Harris third and three sweep to the left. All he has to do is beat the linebacker. Yeah. Has the ball in the wrong hand, goes out of bounds, doesn't get the first down, and Belichick fucking punts. Yeah. And this is like the

fourth time this season where we had this moment where it's like, do you believe in this team? Do you believe in this quarterback? And every time he's like, I actually don't. Let's punt. And that was it. They went down. It was 21-0, and I thought the Pats quit after that. I didn't think they wanted to be out down. It was 21-0, and I thought the Pats quit after that. I didn't think they wanted to be out there.

That was an indictment on Mac Jones, I think, a little bit, just a tiny bit, and it sucks because you should be able to analyze this Bill's Patriots game for 15 minutes and not even mention Mac Jones for the first 12 because it really wasn't his fault.

I thought he was good. For what he is, I thought he was good in that game. He's a rookie. Absolutely fine. Definitely not his fault at all. They ran through your defense. I mean, you got Singletary now is almost 300 yards in the last three games.

You talk about how they have a new look and everything and a new purpose. They're running the ball better. This Isaiah McKenzie is coming out of nowhere making big plays. So, yeah, this is the new Bills you have to deal with, not the Josh Allen struggled with the Jaguars Bills that we saw, I don't know, like six weeks ago. So, yeah, they're peaking at the best time, I think, out of any of the teams.

Yeah, they have the ability to ratchet it up when they need to. And Singletary was better than either Patriot running back from a skill position standpoint. It was really sobering, right? I like Mac. I think, I think he's the best of the five rookie quarterbacks. Lawrence will pass him because he's more talented. But right now you have to feel best about his rookie season and he's going to be good.

And you were going to be able to win playoff games with him. But from a skill position standpoint, the Bills were like significantly better. I mean, it's not even close. And then you think like, all right, well, at least we had the Belichick defense. That was what I said to you last week. Every time they needed to stop all season, they couldn't get it.

The linebackers looked really, really, really slow. And I think we're in this situation now where it feels like there's going to be this shift from the Belichick era. Like you think about the guys from that second, the three Super Bowls, they won the second time around. I think all those guys are going to be gone. This could be the end for

Devin McCourty. Gilmar is already gone. Matthew Slater might be on the edge. James White might be on the edge. Hightower, who was too slow all year. I think we're going to be looking at 2022 and it's just like none of these guys were on the Super Bowl team except who was too slow all year. And I think we're going to be looking at 2022. And it's just like, none of these guys were on the Super Bowl team

except for like five. Can I tell you what you guys need? Like just from watching them and watching the game and watching them in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. No, Brian Flores. Why didn't you have Brian Flores coach your team? I would love it. You don't like it.

You don't like it when I see it. No. If we could bring him back and he gets promised the job in two years, I have real questions for how long Belichick can go here. Why two years? Yeah. Put him right in now. He's 70. This was the sloppiest

Patriots team we've had. I also think we've had a lot of coaches get poached and you look like the special teams coach was terrible this year. Belichick's son is the defensive coordinator. Gerard Mayo was the linebackers coach. He was allegedly this hot prospect. Our linebackers got destroyed.

How is he a hot prospect after that game? I think you have to come back, Mayo. It's totally flipped where we're in this division now with this guy who, if you're going to say, let's draw straws. Who do you want for the next 15 years? It's Allen or Mahomes, right? Yeah.

And who would you take between Allen and Mahomes? I think I would probably take Allen because I think he's more durable. He's like a year younger. Yeah, but here's the thing. One of these years and maybe next year, someone gets in Allen's ear. It's like, okay, you know how you like to run with the ball? You got to stop that now. You know how it is.

We watch these quarterbacks. It happens to all of them, right? All the running quarterbacks all of a sudden decide to once on a third and three, they'll take the bootleg right or something. That'll do it. But that's what I worry about with Josh Allen. It even happened to Mahomes. He used to run a lot more than he does.

Can I flip that though? Well, he's a year younger than Mahomes. Yeah. I think he's like one of those LeBron type guys. Really? He's just built differently. Yeah. But Holmes is built in a way that if people land on him, they're going to be injuries, which we've already seen. Alan's like, wait, he's 6'5", 240? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe you're right. I mean, you're right. It's not an awesome sport to take hits, but Jesus, it seems like the other guy is in worse shape after the hits with him. Yeah.

I don't know. I, I scream at Dak all, all for three hours. Like just take it yourself. And ironically he took it himself and, and took more daylight than he needed to, to end that game.

But yeah, I don't know. Hey, don't forget the dolphins could go after Deshaun Watson too. Then what, then you're in the worst division for that. It sounds like there's a lot of different reports that that was really Flores-driven

and now that Flores is out of the equation. I'll tell you this. We won six Super Bowls. We had an unbelievable run. Oh, here we go. I knew this was going to happen. An unbelievable run. I have no idea why the team peaked in November

and why they went in a complete tailspin. But you go back and you look at the opponents and the situations. They got to play Tennessee with all their skill guys. They got to play Buffalo in the crazy win game. It was just a pretty flimsy record. Same for your team. Your best two wins were like,

you barely scratched them out and then we saw again your team was pretty had some warts. Listen, I don't have the energy to convince you that yours was the worst playoff team this year, but fine. You believe what you want. I mean, you should have lost by 60. It was

dismay. The interesting thing was having been on the other side of those games and you think, I remember the Chargers game a few years ago in the wind, but we scored, I think we scored on the first five drives or something. Right. And the Chargers are

valiantly trying to come back and you know it's over and you're like, ah, Phil Rivers, good luck. And now you're in the Phil Rivers spot. You're like, ah, what are we doing? We're down 35 points. This sucks. Could the game just end? Speaking of washed up, I don't know if the Pats are washed up, but we know Big Ben is. He finished his career. So is he the most washed up star quarterback you've seen? I'm going to give you some candidates. Yeah. Brett Favre's last season,

2010. 11 touchdowns, 19 interceptions. 69.9 QB rating. Peyton Manning, 2015, wins the Super Bowl that year.

That was the noodle arm year. Nine touchdowns, 17 picks, 67.9 rating. Ben, this year, was 22 TDs, 10 picks. 35.8 QBR

actually had a lower QBR than those other yards he ended up with a ton of it was like around 4,000 it's weird with him I can't remember first of all I know this was the template like alright let Ben play one more year I know this was the Steelers were thinking

maybe he could have a Peyton Manning year where they win in spite of him like that's what he did when he beat that was the go panthers like that was it yeah um but you look at those numbers first of all that i i went over and i would my biggest bet this week was chief's first half minus six and a half like the steelers first half points were 3-10 miraculously against the Browns, 3-0-3-0-0-3. They're out of every game in the first half, except when they play a broken down another quarterback like Baker Mayfield or whoever the Ravens are putting out there. I was like, this is the easiest bet. So I don't know because there's a ton of garbage yards in those Ben stats. So I don't even know how to compare them. Well, the QBR does a good job of getting that out. That's

why his is lowest. So there's three more. Marino in 99. Remember that? Sure. 12 TDs, 17 picks. He beat Seattle in a game that I bet on Seattle that I'm still bitter about because it was like, oh my God, last chance to bet against broken down Reno. Right. And he somehow pulls it out. And then the next week they lost to Jacksonville like 60 to three or something like that. Right. Yeah. Yep.

Yep. So you got that Jim Kelly in 96, who was an underrated, this guy's washed up, go against him guy. He was 14 TDs, 19 picks that year. And then your guy Aikman in 2007 TDs, 14 picks. The difference with all that stuff. That was terrible. That was just an outlet pass to Moose Johnston every 14 times a game.

That was awful. And he had had like six concussions at that point. So every time he got hit, you were worried. I actually thought that was the saddest of all the washed up guys because he had had the concussion thing too. But I think Ben's actually second. He pretty much 50% of the time could not complete a pass for more. concussion thing too. But I think Ben's actually second.

Pretty much 50% of the time could not complete a pass for more. I mean, he was, those deep passes tonight, they're sailing over guys, behind guys. It's amazing that they didn't try to get somebody better than him because I actually didn't think their team was bad. I don't know if they would have won the Super Bowl, but. Yeah.

Their defense was worse than, because they have some stars on defense, Hayward and Watt, kind of like you love them, but they were like 32nd in the league against the run, and they weren't as dominant as even two or three years ago

when they did that, what was it, Duck Hodges and Mason Rudolph experiment? Right. I think that's what they're hoping for this year. I don't know what they're going to do. I really don't know. You know, Ben is done,

but I'm not sure who ends up there. They're not ends up there. I have a feeling they do something stupid. Not even bringing in Russell Wilson in. I know you like Minshew, but I could see something like that being the solution temporarily. I wouldn't mind that. How'd you do with your bets this weekend? I went, you know, after I got slaughtered yesterday and then I went big on, like I said, that Chiefs first half and then I went Chiefs. It was like minus 240, but Chiefs Bucks Moneyline Parlay.

Oh, wow. I brought the Raiders up to seven and a half and parlayed them with the Chiefs Moneyline. Oh, nice. So that's somehow a miraculous one. But I talked myself into the cold weather Pat scenario because I wanted to put some action on it. How many points did you take?

Oh, I teased them with the under and then I teased them with the Bucs. So I lost two. So I came out of Saturday losing. Came back. I was like, fuck this. Did Bucs tees with a couple things. Did Niners money line.

Did a Niners Bucks Chiefs money line. And then did a Chiefs Bucks tee. So everything hit. So it was like my first day in a while that I was like, wow, I actually went on my bets. What the hell? I think it's important to take one thing from every year and say, all right, I'm never doing this again, or I'm not going to do this as much. The cold weather thing is definitely something like I'm out.

Cold weather does not equal under. And guess what? Vegas is way ahead of us. They know that it's going to snow. They see all the plows and they see all the other shit too that we see. So, um, by the way,

I was arguing with Warren sharp about that all week. Cause he was like the, the last 20 games under 20 degrees, like 58% of them, the over is covered. It's still over. I was like, yeah, but it's going to be minus two. It's going to be cold. But it really comes down.

There has to be the wind chill. It has to end up looking like that Seahawks-Vikings game from six years ago where you're worried about people just dying in the stands. It's so cold. That Buffalo game was not like that. Yeah, well, everybody's terrified to do anything but handoff, right? That's what you need. We didn't have that at all.

The bummer for me was I feel like I had the Raiders game right. And just for like million dollar picks, I took the Raiders. It was like plus five and a half. They had a chance to, you know, they had the chance to tie at the end. I actually think they would have gone for two if they had gotten

the touchdown. We were getting six and a half, seven and a half. I had Raiders money line parlayed with an adjusted over of 54. I was rooting for the Raiders to hit, but I still feel like that was the right pick. You think

they get this crazy extra four points because of an inadvertent whistle, which was one of the worst announcing moments. I think we've had in a few years in a football game where everybody's like you and I and, and house and hench were all texting during the break. Like there was a whistle. We're all rewinding it.

Yeah. There's a whistle. Everybody stopped, which is right. And the Tariko stopped. Yeah. And then 15, what? 12, 11, 12, 15, we're all rewinding it yeah there's a whistle everybody stopped which is right and the Tirico stopped yeah and then 15

what 12 11 12 15 minutes pass commercial commercial yeah and Tirico's like hey so we're a little concerned about that

and they go through and it's and they bring in Terry McCall and it's like yeah that wasn't a touchdown the play should

once the whistle the play's immediately dead there's no touchdown and all of us are like what and of course Breeze is just sitting there going, yeah, well, sure. Not his finest moment. I honestly don't know why he's there.

I got to say, I think Romo did a disservice to everybody a little bit. Not that he was the first quarterback. You know, Sims and so many others before him. But Romo, I think, made everybody think they could be good at it because they're the field general. And that's why the Breezes of the world are where they are. So thanks a lot, Tony. You got to listen to Drew Breeze.

I was texting Brian Curtis about it because we were talking about Jason Witten versus Breeze. And Witten was just awkward. Like, he actually made you uncomfortable. Breeze doesn't make me uncomfortable. He just, like, didn't have anything to say. And Tirico was really trying to set him up and pull stuff out of him.

He's kind of dumb. Yeah, he didn't have much to say. I feel bad, but I'm sure he's a nice guy. Yeah. But when you're broadcasting a game, we're relying on you to tell us what's going to happen. And you can't just be like, oh, Raiders, you know,

you're going to try to get the ball out of bounds and try to move the ball down here. And, you can't just be like, oh, Raiders, you know, you're going to try to get the ball out of bounds and try to move the ball down here. And, you know, it's like, I know that I watch football every week. Well, especially with that whistle. Especially with that whistle. Don't both of you leave everybody hanging with that. And I don't know. I go, yeah, I was getting killed on Twitter for it because I was making fun of it. And you and I were both making fun of Tirico. But then I'm thinking, well, if the defender didn't quit on it, if the defender actually didn't quit on it, and it was really a touchdown, then the Bengals would have gotten screwed by stopping that, right?

But I'm not 100% sure that the defender, if you look at it, number 15, he has his hands by his side. He doesn't even make an attempt to go after the ball. No, he completely stops. Nobody asked him. Did anybody ask him about it yet? I felt like he stopped, right? So, yeah. He doesn't even make an attempt to go after the ball. No, he completely stops. Nobody asked. Did anybody ask him about it yet? Like, I felt like he stopped, right? So, yeah.

He did. It was a bad call. Yeah. But the explanation was from the referees after the game was that the whistle happened after the play. And it's like, well, that's just not true. That's just absolutely not true. Say what you want, but accept that. I thought Pitt boss Rich.

It does seem like he's coming back. I'm going to really miss him. Yeah. Don't spike the ball. So Carr's been in the league, what, eight, nine years? Gets down to the 12. There's 35 seconds left. Races everyone up and spikes it.

Outside of 30, you don't want to bust it down there. You want that play. You're don't, you want that play. You're almost definitely going to want that play. It was so bad. Of course, Breeze didn't say a thing. And now you have three plays

instead of four. And forcing the last one at the goal line just sucked. But yeah, you're, go to the end zone with it. Like just go,

it adds an extra three seconds. You're almost definitely going to have 10 seconds left after all this. Go to the end zone. Those teams I thought were pretty even. Burrow was good. He wasn't great, but he was good. He didn't do anything

that really hurt them. I thought they had a really good pass rush on them most of the game. They were in his face making him do stuff, but it became clear that whoever was winning that game was probably the easiest out in the next round. Now they go to Tennessee. Seems like Henry's coming back.

But we get this Bills-Chiefs game, which seems dumb because it's like, why do we have to see these teams in round two? But the reason is they both lost to the Titans. That's why we're getting this in round two. Neither of them could beat the Titans. So the Titans earned it, and we shouldn't give them shit. But the Titans, this could go through Tennessee and they've been resilient all year.

You're going to have the Bills Chiefs are going to have this offensive holy war that's going to be amazing. And all the Titans have to do is just make sure Chase doesn't destroy them and they're going to beat them, I think. I guess. I don't know. I'm with you. I mean, I would have loved to have split the Chiefs and Bills up,

but you're right. It's their own fault for sure. And Kansas City lost at Cincinnati. That's why they had a two-touchdown lead two weeks ago. That's why they should have been the one seed. But, yeah, I don't know if either of those teams is great. I know everybody's got a terrible loss, but Bengals lost to the Jets. The Titans lost to the Texans almost twice.

So I'm not sure. Like, nothing's a guaranteed win, and the spreads will reflect that. But, I mean, back to the Raiders just for a second. Like, I thought Passaggio, like, they've had such a screwed up year. I actually thought he might kick a field goal at the end to cover the spread. And then we're going to learn that he's part of this large consortium that just that pit boss is right. Yep, he's got of this large consortium that just pit boss pit bosses, right? Yep. He's got his thug thug buddies who bet millions on these games and they

covered the spread. And that's the end of the Raiders season. Most bizarre season of all time. I'm really going to miss him. Yeah. All right. We'll take a break and then we'll talk a couple more things. Then we'll do the round two lines. All right. So the only game we didn't talk about was Bucks-Eagles, which I'd like to thank both teams

because I didn't think I was going to be able to get to go to cryo today. This is so relatable. I really needed, I needed the Bucks. I needed the Bucks to get a big lead. They were able to do it. I was able to zoom on out there and get a little cry. Oh yeah.

You know, get the bad back. Not feeling great. Um, so a little cry, crying. Your, your pads lost last night.

I know. 31, nothing cranked it over there. Then all of a sudden the Eagles, it's 31, 15. And they're in a cover range. Cause it was eight,

eight and a half most of the week. And all of a sudden it was like, wow, my God, are they going to actually, is Jalen Hurts going to backdoor this again? I know a lot of Eagles fans. I think all of them saw everything they needed to see from Jalen Hurts. Ben Solak wrote about this for the Ringer today. It's like, you can talk yourself into some positives. I just don't see it.

I don't think he's a quarterback that can win multiple playoff games in a row. He misses guys all the time. His instinct is to run out of the pocket as fast as he can. And if I, as somebody who had bet on the Bucs, I was hoping the Eagles kept Jalen Hurts in versus bringing in Minshew. That's a bad sign if you're an Eagles fan. I had longer range plans for that. I was hoping Hurts was somewhat serviceable.

And, oh my God, if he could pull off the upset in Tampa, then they go to Green Bay. And maybe even though they have three first round picks, maybe they hold on to Hertz. And I know he's not the answer. Keep him in the NFC. Oh, because you're Dallas fan. Yeah, of course. And plus Cowboys would have had they won, which it didn't would have had a home

game against the Rams or or Cardinals. But yeah, that's what I want that I want the division to remain as it is with Hertz in there. But yeah, that's what I want. I want the division to remain as it is with Hurts in there. But yeah, I believe they have to move on from him now. I think he's a tweener. He's in that Nick Foles, Tyrod Taylor,

those kind of guys where he can definitely start. If you catch him on the right, look for a couple games, you could be like, oh, this guy. Like Case Keenum that year on the Vikings. Like there's that class of guys that are almost overqualified to be a backup, but if they're your starter, you know, nothing great's going to happen. And Andy Dalton's another one like that, but you just, so he's somewhere, Andy Dalton

would be the high side because Andy Dalton actually won, you know, went 10 and six and made playoffs and stuff like that. And I would say like Case Keenum's probably the lower side because he really only had that one year, but maybe one of the McCown brothers. But he's somewhere in that mix. Is it Matt Schaub, maybe? Matt Schaub's another one. I think Baker Mayfield's in that group. But these guys that you just fundamentally know, you're not winning the Super Bowl with this person. Well, Mayfield, it's easy because the second contract is coming up,

and that's where you could get really boned, right? So Hurts, you wouldn't have to worry about that just yet. But the fact that this is the time to strike with three first-round picks, right? They could ship that off. They could turn that into a Russell Wilson or an Aaron Rodgers, God forbid. Figure something out. So that's the good thing about him as an asset because you could package him with at least

two of those picks. Yeah. And maybe you go get somebody a little better, but I don't know. I don't see it. He's one of those guys if you bet against them and he's playing well, you're like, oh, wow, really? Today's going to be the day? And then when you bet on him, he has the

game like today. I was so scared of that game. Like we said, it went from eight and a half to seven. All favorites had covered yesterday. Like, oh, this is going to be the sleepy Tom Brady game. And he was terrific. Yeah, it was a little worrisome

with the no running backs, especially picked in the lead. It's funny watching these terrible pregame shows, though, where they have to go make the picks. Like before the Steelers-Chiefs game, they went around. Everybody's like, I think the Steelers keep it close. It's like,

mine's been 13 all week. We're supposed to take you seriously? It went around, let's go to Jack Collins. They go to eight guys, and six of them thought, maybe the Steelers don't count them out it's like I'm definitely counting them out they all have one score games yeah yeah what's the pre-production

meeting for that segment it's like listen this is I know again it goes against your grain but I want you to flat out lie to the public right now and say that you think this is going to be a great game because we need eyeballs yeah no I get it anybody watching only has thousands and thousands of dollars on it one way or another you know side or total but we need them to Yeah, no, I get it. Anybody watching only has thousands and thousands of dollars on it one way or another, you know, side or total, but we need them to think it's a good game too.

It's like, shut up. Honestly, it should be, it should be all gambling and gambling props. It should be like, Hey, I think Jarek McKinnon is going to score a touchdown and get 110 all

purpose yards. And you can get this on whatever bed excite you want to go to for this price. And that should be the game. Instead, they're going around and it's like, what do you expect from Ben Roethlisberger tonight? I think we're close. Bad passing. Yeah. Right.

Nothing different than what I've seen for the last four months. I expect sadness and receivers being terrified that they might get paralyzed for a ball that's going over their head. It's really rough. Anyway, last thing I had for you was, oh, did we talk about the refs enough?

I guess the worst thing, I'm not complaining about six playoff games, wildcard weekend. I loved it. I don't like the Monday night. I wish they didn't do that. I think that that was a total money grab, whatever. More games is more bad refs. More games is more bad refs. You have six games in

a weekend, that means we get Jerome Boger. Why though? And you see him and it's like, if 20 refs had COVID, I could see putting Boger in there or whatever, the Hockleys or whatever. But why? Why? What more do you need to see from these guys? The thing is

if you remove gambling and fandom and we were just watching these games just because we like football, it would be awesome to see Jerome Bogart. It's like the game's drunk the entire time.

You're seeing huddles for five minutes for calls you don't know what the answer is. I guess so, yeah. Confused refs and inadvertent whistles

and it would be like way more exciting. But when there's actual money and fandom involved, you can't have bad refs. Yeah, that's where you go to a racetrack. If you didn't bet on them, just look at the beautiful horses and how fast they move. Yeah, of course, but

there is gambling, so we have to get good people in there, competent officials. Yeah, you see Jerome Bogart, you see Sean Hockley and it's just like the game has just done two shots. Yeah. And it's just had like three beers. It's like, all right, wheels have come off. Put some quarters in the

jukebox. What would the call night? There was somewhere they're like, and that's one of those things where they don't even need to review it. They go right to New York and New York overruled them. Yeah. What was that? I've never seen that in my life. Let's get more of that. As long as it's not the women from The View in New York, right?

We have football people that know what they're doing, making that call. I like that. Well, we'll have better refs next weekend because there's only four games. A couple other things. So the commercial that was shown the most all weekend, because we're all watching the same games,

was probably that Applebee's commercial where they used the Cheers music. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just personally violated by that. Really? All due respect to Applebee's, whatever. I'm sure it's a fine restaurant, but the Cheers song's iconic and belongs to Cheers.

So you can't take the Cheers song and then make it seem like Applebee's is like, you know, being with like Norman Cliff and Sammy and Diane. Come on. I was outraged. I got a million of those. I put a curse on Applebee's. My thing was with Neil Diamond and the Jimmy Fallon movie.

That killed me. Obviously, I don't like that. That's a disaster. I have about 10 of these. We could do an hour on this. Obviously, the Journey and The Sopranos and Don't Stop Believing and that terrible scene. By the way, I rewatch 10 of these. We could do an hour on this. Obviously, the journey and the Sopranos and Don't Stop Believin' and that terrible scene. By the way, I rewatched that scene.

That is awful. I'm sorry. I don't want to go. Watching Meadow Parallel Park for two and a half minutes and we still don't know what the hell happened at the end. I'm sorry. Do you want to do... We could do on the Prestige TV podcast.

You and I could just break down the season. Let's do it. The series finale of the Sopranos. I can just break down the season. Let's do it. The series finale. Let's do it. I haven't seen it in so long. I love it. I get so excited when I hear Don't Stop Believin' now. Oh, my God.

Makes me think of the diner. It's great. Hey, I took the liberty. I ordered onion rings for the table. Okay, let's stare at each other. And let's stare at who's at the other tables. And let's watch Meadow Barrel Park. Members only Jackie guy comes in.

It's incredible. Give me a break. Great stuff. More stuff. No Baker Mayfield this weekend from what I could see. No Baker Mayfield commercials. I think he's out. I don't think we'll ever see him in a commercial again. I think he's done. Yeah, they can't

go back to him. Right. Maybe they go to Big Ben next year. This was Tafoya's second to last NBC game. They announced this week she's out after this season. Right. So, again, you know,

we were being detectives, like, this is weird. Why are you on a three-week bye week? No, no, it's fine. Everyone gets a bye week, and now she's no longer going to be involved in the coverage, but she had a great run.

She had a very nice quote. I still think it's super fishy. Hey, listen, I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit here. You called the Tafoya thing. And last week, we mentioned Andrew the Giant Luck, and he

shows up in the pregame show for the College Football Championship. He was like, yeah, how did that happen? So we need to talk about somebody who we haven't seen in a while that we want to bring back to the, right? Because if we discuss it, it will happen. James Gandolfini.

I love that guy. I know he's dead, but can he come back? I don't think that's the same. No. Let's do, before we do round one lines quickly, Super Bowl odds. Now everything's tight. Conference odds. Oh, this is great.

Everything's tight now, though. You're not going to, right? It's just based on two games now, the rest of the way. Yeah, Titans plus 320. Yeah, Titans plus 320. I looked at these. Yeah, Titans plus 320. So if you think they're going to beat the Bengals, they'll probably be next round like plus six, plus seven.

So that's not a good bet. Yeah, I mean, the Niners have been the best bet for like two months. They're even now plus 550 as the Lakers. What do we have, Matt? 17-1? We have them at 17-1. I even forgot about that until I just brought that up. You know, the cards right now

on Fandor are 12-1. Well, they obviously... Yeah, they have the extra game. What do you think happens tomorrow night, Rams? Because I actually think the Cardinals win tomorrow night. Do you?

I'm going to... I wish I trusted either of these teams. I know it's a stay away. I know, I know. The two Wong teams. I got to go Rams. I don't know why I like McVay

as much as I do, but I think eventually he has to show that he's the better coach. They activated Eric Weddle. I know. Everyone was like, no, no, it's just for the practice squad. This guy was like us the last two years. He was on his couch. Now he's actually.

They spent $300 million on their defense, and Eric Weddle jumps in the picture. Yeah, so if the Cardinals won that game, then they're going to Tampa, a team that has no running game. I just feel like Tampa's beatable. I don't know what week it is, but I certainly wouldn't be afraid to go in there if I was Arizona.

Well, that's the thing. I don't know if you thought the Bills are a team that could win the Super Bowl, but after this week, you think it's definitely doable, right? Is it possible that even though we don't like either really of these teams for Monday night, that they put on such a strong showing that like, hey, this Rams team or this Cardinals team could actually be in the big game.

Like maybe we are underestimating them a little, because if they both play their best game. Yeah. You got to throw them in with all these teams, but I don't like that. They have the extra game. Hopkins could be back at some point. So you have that too. I still like the Niners team the most out of,

out of all the NFC teams. Now we got to find out what happened with Bosa. That was scary. I was, those ones always scare me with the guy who's diving for the quarterback and his teammates coming the other way and head and neck goes sideways. I almost wonder why that doesn't happen more often.

Thank God it doesn't. It was a lot tamer on Nickelodeon. I don't know if you noticed. Was Harrison watching the Nickelodeon? No, I refused. We turned over for 10 minutes and I saw the 49ers entire offense get slimed and it didn't seem to affect them at all.

I was like, all right, this is dumb. Let me change this over. They should have slimed Mike McCarthy over and over again. We'd have more Cowboys. Just slime and this gullet. Round two line. If my information is correct, it's Titans first, then Packers, and then Chiefs and Bucks on Sunday

or that's the order? That is correct. Chiefs-Bills is the late Sunday game. And then Bucks... So Bucks is before Chiefs-Bills. That's right. Okay. I like how they did this where

this was the only way they could have done it where the 4-5, now we know... Yeah way they could have done it where the four or five. Now we know. Yeah. There's no, no chicanery. Yeah. Right. So this game,

I thought it was going to be Patriots bills. I thought that would be the Monday game. Cause that was a wait, right. Is that a four? Yeah. Yeah. You know,

I think what probably happened is CBS probably wanted Pat's bills, but in retrospect, that was a mistake. Right. It was so funny when Aikman got mad that he didn't have the Niners Cowboys game. He was like the guy who drove cross country almost all the way to Massachusetts.

And then in Connecticut, somebody was like, all right, I'll take it from here and grab the car from him. He didn't get to do it. He got that crappy. He's like, I don't even want to be here for this Eagles game.

I know. Well, Aikman's getting crustier in a good way. Yeah. As he gets older. Like the Hurts type of quarterbacks, he has no tolerance for anymore. Like the Baker Mayfield,

the check down guys, or the guys who don't stay in the pocket, or the guys who miss receivers. And he can like barely mask his disgust. I'm with you. There's some Hurts plays today where he was just like, I mean, you got to see that. You just have to see that Goddard going over the middle. You can't miss that. I'm with you. There's some Hertz plays today where he was just like, I mean, you got to see that. You just have to see that

Goddard going over the middle. You can't miss that. I like it. He never used to be as direct. All right, round two lines. Tennessee is home for Joey B and the Cincinnati Bengals.

Kudos to the Bengals and Bills, by the way, for figuring out how to suck up to their smaller market fans. I love it. Did you see the videos of them going to different... The Zach Taylor

and those guys going to like three different bars in Cincinnati last night with game balls. Yeah, it's good stuff. That stuff goes a long way. I like it. I have the Titans favored by four and a half over the Bengals.

I hit this exactly. I said three. Oh, really? Yeah. Isn't Derrick Henry playing? I believe he is. Oh, that line's too low. I love the Bengals. Oh, my God.

I don't get that at all. Wow. I don't get this next one. But yeah, Derrick Henry's supposed to be playing. Wow, the Titans. Jesus. The Titans are like, nobody believes in us to the bitter end. They're going to be in the fucking Super Bowl and people are going to be like,

Was Cincy the worst winner this week? No. Yeah. They weren't? Right. 100%. Buffalo, Tampa, right? San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah. Well, depending on tomorrow. Yeah. I think Cincy won yeah. Yeah, well, depending on tomorrow. Yeah. I think since he won their game,

I don't see... They're both so full of shit sometimes, these teams. So, yeah, it could probably make it a little higher, but three seems about right.

Titans had a lot of good wins this year. They did. I think they're well-coached and this is the healthiest they've probably been the whole season. They have pass rush.

They can run the ball. The only thing that didn't work out for them was Julio because he sucked for them. Yeah. But they have a pass rush. I think they're

a good home team and they persevered in all these different ways. I also really liked Foreman. I thought he got better as the year went along. He had 300 yard games. Henry Foreman combo.

Yeah. And A.J. Green, A.J. Brown was tremendous starting with that 49ers game, which I think was his first. Tremendous. First game back. So that.

I was impressed with them in the Pats game. They just kept turning the ball over, but they ran all over us that game. Great wins. Should have been a red flag. Terrible losses though. That's what's weird.

Yeah. Jets. Like I said, Texans, almost Texans twice. But the Jets, they were missing everybody. The Texans, at least one of them, they were missing people.

That line's too low. I might bet the Titans. That might be a shaky secondary game, right? Because they have to put that AFC South game in the early spot on Saturday. One way or another. Yeah, that's a great point, Sal. Usually round two, there's at least one real star in the game. Now, you would argue

Derrick Henry and Joe Burrow are real stars, but they're not like name recognition in commercial stars. I think Burrow's going to get there. I do like him. And maybe Chase will get there. But yeah, man, that's a disrespectful line of the Titans.

I see you, Titans. All right. Saturday night, Packers-Niners. Niners coming off a late Sunday game. This is a pretty tough spot. Going to Lambeau. I'm sure it's going to be cold. And I think we have to factor in the injuries.

I don't think this line gets to six. I think it's in the Vegas zone. I have Packers by five and a half. All right. You're going to get this. I said six and a half. It's four and a half. I'm going to get this? I said six and a half. It's four and a half. I'm talking about disrespect.

Oh, I caught that Vegas zone. That's ridiculous. Yeah, it's right in this Vegas zone, but it shouldn't be. Packers have been moneymakers all year for the gamblers. 49ers are on the road. All the reasons you said. Short week. Injured best defensive player, maybe two best.

What the hell? Why is it? The Cowboys were three and three and a half, and that came down to the last minute. Why? The Packers should definitely be six. Why is it so low? I think there's real questions about the Packers' defense.

How flimsy is it? Is it a decent defense? Is it an actual good defense? Where is it? I'm in the decent camp. Yeah, I think they're going to be alright. I know we're running out of teaser games, but... Money line. No, money line it. You could money line

it with the Bucs. Yeah, that's true. You know, if the Niners win this and the Bucs win, you know it's at stake, right? The Niners win and the Bucs... What is that? It's Brady going against the second wife. Oh, right. Yeah, why? How did I not... Yeah is that? It's Brady going against the second wife. Oh, right. Yeah, why? How did I not...

Yeah, that's right. Brady and Jimmy G. This is it. This is Shelly Long against Kirstie Alley. We're fucking off. That's the thing to root for. This is happening. So I'm looking at Saturday Green Bay weather, 21 high. Oof. 21 high,

2 low. Oh, that's fun. Jesus. That's fun. Yeah, you remember the Malcolm Butler play? I do. There was that great moment when they cut to the pass sideline. Look at me talking about the past great Patriot things. This is all I'm going to have for the rest of my life.

Brady's jumping up and down with his hands in his head, right? He just loses it because he's like, oh my God, we won the Super Bowl. And Garoppolo comes and he jumps over to join in on the celebration. And Brady just completely snubs him and goes toward Josh McDaniels and celebrates with him. And Garoppolo sees it immediately and goes another direction. But I remember seeing that and going, oh, interesting. Brady, Garoppolo's a little on his corner. And then you would read all these stories about the teammates love Jimmy. Brady got suspended because of the flake

gate. Jimmy was the quarterback. And all this stuff was like, oh my God, Jimmy, the teammates love Jimmy. I was like, oh, this is interesting. And then it all leads to all of a sudden they're trading Jimmy. Just from a storyline standpoint, Seth Wickersham, get those fingers ready for your Brady-Jimmy G story because this is the first wife-second wife battle. By the way,

not inconceivable this is Brady's last game. I keep telling people this. Is that right? You think so? I think everything's on the table after this season for him. He said 10 more years. You're not even going to give him one? I think everything's on the table After this season for him He said 10 more years You're not even gonna give him one? I think everything's on the table

I do All shitty meals are on the table Yeah Every game could be his last But I mean he still looks great He looked good today Alright Sunday So that LA or Arizona at Tampa Bay

Is the early one That's it We'll guess that last. Let's guess the Chiefs Bills because we know that's happening. Chiefs Bills, Romo, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Buffalo, never won a Super Bowl, incredible journey, A lot of heartache. But more importantly, this is a who is the best player

in the league game. It really is. You rarely get to see these. Two pretty even teams. Chiefs are home. Best future player. I mean, we're kicking Aaron Rodgers

out of that conversation. Best future franchise player. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, we'll go best 20-something franchise guy. Yeah. Okay All right. Yeah. We'll go best 20 something franchise guy. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I love this game. This is the best. It should be last. So you would, you would rather have Rogers than either of these guys this year. I think that's the right answer. Yeah.

I think so. Yeah. It's the guy who seems most bored with the game. That's who I'm going with. That's who you want. All right. Most bored. Less least excited.

Yeah. All right. I looked at this chief's who I'm going with. That's who you want. All right. Most bored, least excited. All right. I looked at this Chiefs-Bills line long and hard. Homefield not worth quite as much as it used to be. I think these teams are dead even, and a dead even to me now means minus two and a half, and that's what I'm going with. Chiefs by two and a half. You nailed it.

You really did nail it. I said three. It's two and a half. In the old days, it's three. Now it's two and a half. You nailed it. You really did nail it. I said three. It's two and a half. In the old days, it's three. Now it's two and a half. Well, here's the other thing I'll say. So the better set, there are low limits for Sunday night and Monday. So they could get away with making it two and a half if there's a bunch of Chiefs love out there.

The odds makers could put it out there just to see where the movement is. If it's two and a half by Sunday or Saturday, that's a different story. But I would have given it the full three. That's a little bit disrespectful for that Chiefs team. It took a minute to get going last tonight. Certainly an enticing number for them. I'll tell you, Jared McKinnon, I think, is a big difference for them. You could feel it in that Week 18 game.

You could see it. We talked about it on Thursday's podcast here, that he gives them a toughness and a little pizzazz that I don't think any of their other running backs give them. And he can run and catch, which is huge. And look, what do we talk about with the Chiefs? They can't kill the clock, right? So they need a runner.

And with Edwards-Hilaire in and out, whatever, every week it's a different story. Yeah, McKinnon's nice. 12 carries, 61 yards, and then took it for another 81 through the air. The only thing is, he's so small. You see him like get... I know. The Chiefs got hit almost late out of bounds

about seven times. Right. He still has his lower shoulder. He goes flying across three rows into the bench there. So I worry about making it to the finish line. They only need three more games from him. Right. Right.

Edward Soler comes back next week. Mm-hmm. I think that line stays at two and a half. Really? I don't think they want that to go to three, especially because, you know, then you could start adjusting the line,

taking the bills to four, four and a half, stuff like that if you want to get frisky. What a great game. I'm so excited. I wish they split them up, but what are you going to do? I thought Romo was fantastic today. Yeah.

I think he had a pretty spotty regular season, especially in the games that just weren't good games. I think the one thing he, and Curtis always points this out, the thing that made Madden so great was he was great in the shitty games. He was great in the games that it's like 38 to 10. And Romo is

really good in the good games still, which is the most important quality. But I thought he was dead on today, 90 different times, pointing out like, oh, they're doing this. That slant is going to be open. There's his limb going to see it.

And I just really, I felt like I was just locked into that game. It was great. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I have friends ask me like, you know,

cause I know him, we know him. And it's like, do you think it would he coach if the, if the numbers and the terms were right? Could he coach the Cowboys? What if they asked? And I was like,

I don't think so. I think it's a hard go at him. First of all, he makes a ton of money doing the TV. I know he loves Jerry. He named his kid Jones. Like, so I think he did enough there,

but, um, you know, being able to call the plays and see the field as a field general kind of is different than coaching that team. Like that's a, that's a mess of a situation, but I agree with you. And the added layer to this game is you went back and forth between

Romo appreciating how tough it is for the Cowboys to win through the years because he went through it, right. Yeah. For the dysfunctionals. So there was a little bit of a, I get this. I don't think he was rooting against Dak, but then also he's rooting for the Cowboys too. So it went back and forth. And it's just a great dynamic

when he calls the Cowboys games, I think. Also, he's the one announcer we have who will actually get frustrated if people are making mistakes or dumb things are happening. Yeah. I think everybody else is careful. Yeah, I mean, Breeze was

ridiculously careful the other day. I would have gone for it on some of these fourth downs. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, I just love it. I love it all. He'll go after the coaches. Collinsworth used to do that, but I think as he's gotten older and more entrenched,

he's a little more scared. I think Boomer Esiason's the one guy, I mean, the pregame shows are all bad, but Boomer's the one guy who actually says stuff on those shows. He'll be like, yeah, this guy, if they don't win this, then you got to consider this didn't work. I had to

be one of the last inside the NFL watchers and now it's on Paramount. Now it's streaming so I can't even DVR it. They've combined it with Challenge All-Stars. It's Boomer and Johnny Bonitas doing football. That would actually be a good show. All right, Bucks. So we have two options.

We have Bucks home for the Rams. We have Bucks home for the Cardinals. I'm beating you two to one. Right? Yep. So, if you want to do this tomorrow, I don't know.

We could, No, we should make each of these worth a half point. Okay. Or no, we'll be whatever one wins that's worth a point. All right. Let's do it that way. We'll report it. Yeah. Okay. So no. We'll be whatever one wins. That's worth the point. Let's do it that way.

We'll report it. Yeah. Okay. So I have Bucks over the Rams. I have this in the Vegas zone. I have Bucks by four and a half over the Rams. All right. I said four.

Bucks Cardinals. Jack that up a little bit. I have Bucks by six over the Cardinals. Okay. up a little bit. I have bucks by six over the Cardinals. Okay. I said five. Okay. So I'm on the lower end of both of those. All right.

So you're shorting me basically. Well, yeah, I'm trying to think how. You're like Price is Right. No, no, no. I'll show you. No, in a good way. No, no. Yeah, I had it written down.

I didn't say you cheated. Well, what were they today? So they went off at seven against Philly. I think that's three points better. I thought that was weird. I thought that was the weirdest line movement. That really seemed like a lot of people just convincing themselves that we hadn't had an underdog cover yet.

I know. Maybe that's another thing. I got super excited about it. Maybe that's another thing. I got super excited about it. Maybe that's another thing I have to abandon. I know it to be true that the Saturday games have nothing to do with the Sunday games, but I also know how when I talk to you and it's like,

I got killed this weekend or we did great this weekend. They only let you have so many winners, but as the case is, they let you have a lot this week. Before we do Parent Corner, there was some dramatic MVP stuff. Oh, it's still locked. Jesus. What?

NFL? I went on FanDuel to see the MVP. Durant got hurt. He's out like 48 weeks. The MVP is now completely wide open. I talked about this on Tuesday's pod because I was saying I didn't all due respect to Curry, but I felt like

he wasn't having an all-time Curry season. I thought the MVP was a little more available. This is what you and House and I were talking about too. People had just penciled him in after 30 games and his little resume wasn't quite there. It seemed open to me. And I thought

Durant was going to be the guy that came on. Now he's hurt. I don't think Curry, Curry's been in like a semi slump for a month. Did Ja Morant move down from 30? We talked last week. It was 30. Yeah. Ja's, Ja's probably in the twenties now, but still not out there. Then Giannis, the Bucks just can't get going yet. And the guy who's probably sitting there is the best bet is Jokic. And I think Jokic was like 8-1, 10-1 range. But he's been incredible. Like, I had a friend today I was talking to

who was like, Jokic is going to have a 30-20-10 this season. He's going to have a triple-double where he has 30 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists. It's like in play for him. He's keeping this Nuggets team that's missing their second or third best guy all season. And he's keeping them in the loop. And they're hanging around.

And they're going to be a playoff seed in that 4-7 range. I have odds that I could be pretty sure that Fandle's going to put up soon. So, Jokic is about plus 650. John Morant's 15-1. Oh, so he went way down. Yeah.

DeRozan sneaks in there too. 30 to 1. But Durant's 7. Giannis plus 425. And Curry's still plus 190. That'll be a battle to have it at. Is Chris Paul on there? He's nowhere?

Hold on. I'm scrolling. I'm scrolling. Because I was trying to think of narratives. 60 to 1 is about 8. Because I was trying to think of narratives. 60 to 1 is about eighth. Because I was thinking about narratives. If nobody's going to take it, right? If there's no good candidate

and Phoenix ends up being the best record, I could see around the 60 game mark the Chris Paul campaign starting with people like, hey, this guy's the heart and soul of that team. They're a lottery team when he showed up. He makes everyone better. Shouldn't this matter? And all of a sudden,

a Chris Paul snowball starts. I would keep an eye on that one. Right. All right. That's a good one. That's a good one. All right. It's Parent Corner time.

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You know, we want to be remembered, right? When you go and you have friends dying and you go to these memorials and kids go up and they say great things like, ah, that's what I need. I need my kids to say great things about me. And I want to hear about how I'm a good provider and I helped put them through college and, you know and whatever. I was a loving father and helped him get a car when time was right. But what's not remembered, and to me, which is more important than any of those things, is when you're eight-year-old, you wake him up at 5.30 a.m. on Super Wildcard Saturday and you pack him up and you pack his gear up and you drive 65 miles to a Little League tournament in which his team walks in six runs in the top

of the first inning. That's the true measure of a father that he drives that kid back the next day because he has to stay over because miraculously they win the second game and they have to, whatever, they have to make it the second day. It's a two day tournament. Um, yeah, you know, money grab, money grab for sure. But all over the place, uh, you know, I'm watching these playoff games with these fathers who don't

care nearly as much as I do because they have $25 on and I have $25 down. So that's basically it. I just want to add that to my eulogy from Harrison right there. This sounds like this should be a commercial for State Farm or one of these places. Can I make it? The Real Dads. Remember? Didn't they used to have the Real Moms commercial? It should? The Real Dads. Remember? Oh, yeah. We used to have like the Real Moms commercial. It should be the Real Dads. The dads who are sitting on some uncomfortable Little League bench.

Right. They're trying to follow some playoff football game on an iPhone as 17 walks in a row are happening. It's terrible. Six runs. It's 830 in the morning. We drove an hour and a half. It was crazy. Six runs walked in.

What the hell's going on? It's really something. I think about it. We've talked about this. I think about it a lot because my daughter's halfway through her junior year. And I don't know if she's going to play in college or not. It looks like she might. But just thinking this is the tail end of all of these weekends, driving her around everywhere.

And we're now in like the 16th hole of this golf tournament basically. Yeah. And then that's it. And it's like, is she going to appreciate that? Is she going to be sitting around someday going, oh man, you know, it was great how my dad just drove me to all those games and just

really devoted his weekends to this. I don't feel like she's going to be thinking that way. No, she should. She's going to be thinking that way. No, she should. She's going to be like, I need $20 from dad. I mean, do we appreciate it? I don't remember it being this serious. I definitely didn't appreciate it. Yeah, no.

It is a game changer when they can at least drive themselves to practice. Oh, for sure. It's the greatest. That part's great. Yeah, you have to pick up the parking tickets, you know, two, three a week, but whatever. It's the greatest. That part's great. Yeah. You have to pick up the parking tickets, you know, two, three a week, but whatever.

It's fine. My parent corner, parking tickets. My parent corner, as usual, I can't do the best ones, but, um,

there's just so many good ones that I just can't do. But, uh, I mentioned last week about how my son ordered all those shirts that he custom made we haven't gotten those yet hopefully next week but my son seems to have the ball buster

fuck around jean that you and cousin Jimmy have they're in a target him and his buddy Jackson're in a Target. Him and his buddy Jackson were in a Target yesterday. And they figured out how to control the sound system in the Target. Nice.

And got on and they played the Pornhub theme song for everyone in the Target and kept playing it over and over again. Nobody knew what was happening. And then finally, they saw the two kids laughing and the security guard started coming at them and they ran out the store and ran away. They told you the story? Yeah, he excitedly told me the story.

And I'm like, oh, all right. So you're that kid. Oh, that's great. So he's now hitting that stage where he's combining technology with all the same ball busting stuff that our generation did I need to be proud

yeah just as long as the next step is that isn't that he stars in a Pornhub video I think you're good I think the alarming thing for me

was I didn't know there was a Pornhub theme song but apparently there is and I didn't want to like really go down the road of how do you guys

know there's but it's on YouTube you can find it no it was either going to be for Applebee's it was either going to be the, for Applebee's, it was either going to be the Cheers theme song or the Pornhub theme song. Yeah, they were going to go with either of those.

So that's Parent Corner presented by Pornhub and, no. But yeah, so I think he's at that stage now and I'm really excited to see where the next two years go. How did he do it? Where's that intercom? Aside from by the each register. They looked on the phone and they saw the Wi-Fi

and they figured out how to go into the Bluetooth and just mess with it. That's great. Yeah. So he was really excited about it. And then I had to yell at him. That's good.

I don't think it's a crime either. So I'm saying like... I mean, it's funny if it is. And you're admitting it here. But no. They claimed multiple security guards were laughing. Oh, okay.

But maybe not the one that was chasing them as they ran outside. But they said the other one thought it was hilarious. So, yeah. Anyway, that's Parent Corner. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by CarMax. CarMax has reimagined car buying by putting you in the driver's seat. You can do it all online or head to the lot to actually kick the tires. Or any combination of the two. It's

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Arizona and the Rams. By the way, we did well on our futures. On this show, we picked the over-unders. I think you were 15, 13, and four. I was 19, nine, and four in the over-unders. And we picked some exact too. I think we both had Texans to win exactly four games was five to one, Bills to win exactly 11 was plus 550. We should go back and look at those because we hit those exact numbers. That's the way to do those. I don't know why I can't turn this

into a profit in real life, but we gave out winners. I talked to House this week and we were just kind of figuring out like who, like bets and did we like the same bet stuff like that. We started talking about the Lions bet we made. House said he went through our text thread

with you, which, by the way, has thousands of texts. So just going backwards on that takes like four hours, probably to get back to late August,

early September. And he said, reading the text of us coming up with that Lions bet got him all bummed out and sad all over again. We basically laid it all out.

It was like, here's their schedule. It's impossible for them to win. What did they end up with? Four wins? Three wins? They had a tie. Yeah, they were 3-13-1. And we laid it all

out. We were like, here's their schedule and this and this and they have these three and we were like, it would be impossible for them to win more than three games. And we weren't wrong, but it all came down to this stupid Green Bay game where if there was a real number one pick in the draft, if freaking Trevor Lawrence was in this draft,

there's no way they're trying in the fourth quarter of that game. But of course, it's the one draft where there's no pure number one. So it just keeps going. And they're like, fuck it. Let's try to win. Who cares where we draft? And we lose our bet.

We had it locked up with three minutes left. They had no business beating the Packers. It was so stupid. Four to one. It was the right pick. Yeah. He's going back like a thousand texts. That's a ton of texts. That's reverse therapy. That's really bad.

The good thing is it wasn't a text thread with Hench on it because that would have been like 52,000 texts. 49,000 from Hench. But yeah, so we're on the phone. We're both, it's like the middle of a workday, and we're like a 10-minute conversation about Lions' worst record bet. Gotta love gambling. So next year, we got to hit that thing.

Why didn't they quit on their coach like everyone else did? Sons of bitches. They didn't just quit on their coach like everyone else did? Sons of bitches. They didn't just quit on their coach. They went the other way. They believed they'd triple down on their coach. It was like what sports should all be about. And somehow we had them for worst record. Why didn't we bet on the team that had the worst coach in the last 10 years?

And they fired him. And there's videos of him in a bar and everyone hated him. Why didn't we bet on that team? Well, we did well with our over-unders. Silver lining. We'll talk to you next week. Good job, buddy.

Good job, buddy. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Sal. Thanks to Kyle Creighton for producing the podcast as always. Don't forget, Monday night, Rewatchables, doing Miracle, me and Chris Ryan, and on the Prestige TV podcast,

I'm going to be on there talking about Yellow Jackets. Really hope you're watching that show. It is excellent. And I will see you on see them on the wayside never on the side. I don't have feelings with them on the wayside. I don't want to see them on the wayside never on the side. I don't have feelings with them on the wayside.