The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Cowboys Pity Party, Tank-a-Belichick, Brock Purdy’s Ascent, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the 49ers' landslide victory over the Cowboys, and another drastic Patriots loss (2:07), before talking Broncos-Jets, Ravens-Steelers, Bengals-Cardinals, Lions-Panthers, Vikings-Chiefs, updated MVP odds, cross-off teams, and more (21:37). Next, they guess the lines for NFL Week 6 (49:35), before closing the show with Parent Corner (1:16:42). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, we're taping this. It is 8.30 p.m. on Sunday night. We're starting early. The Sunday night football game isn't even over yet. That's how sad the game was. Sal, your team is no longer a Super Bowl contender. Let's go. Parent corner.

Parent corner. Let's just do it. I'm ready. My team is no longer an NFL team, so I still feel like you're doing better. Let's start with your team. No. Let's start with your team. No, let's start with your team. Listen, that Sunday night game was two great teams battling it out in a great game. Your team

got shut out. Historically, it's more significant. We should start with your team. Let's really start with your team. Did you think you were going to beat the Niners? No, no, no. I really thought we were going to beat your team. And then I had a bad feeling about this. I just thought we were going to be out physical

all over the place. And I just don't think we're a first-tier team. I think the Niners are a first-tier team in the NFC. I think the Eagles are right there with them. Maybe below, but probably right there with them. And then Cowboys, Lions, Seahawks, second-tier NFC. Maybe that's giving us too much credit here, but probably right there with them. And then Cowboys, Lions, Seahawks, second tier

NFC. Maybe that's giving us too much credit here, but we're a bully team. We beat up on the pansies of the league and we're, I don't know, outcoached every time we have to get up there with a good team. This is what it is. I'm so distraught. What a bummer.

You did think they were going to win. I didn't do a power pull until tonight during that game because I was bored. I have resisted because I think it takes four to five weeks. San Francisco I have as the favorite, obviously, but they need to stay healthy. The contenders, I have three. I have Philly, I have Casey, and I have Detroit, actually, number four. And then the next group I have as the enigma is Buffalo and Miami. I think they're five and six. Then I have, it's either you or Cleveland, depending on how you feel. Cleveland

is like the sleeper. I'm not sure what their ceiling is. And then your team just feels like it's going to hang around and probably win a round one playoff game. And then that's it would be my guess. Unless there's something I'm not seeing. No, that's it. So we have to get lucky in the playoffs because we're not as good as this team right whereas i'll say that at the beginning of the year i'm like yeah we're a 12-1 team and we'll be just as good as everybody even though we typically lose in horrible fashion in san francisco and uh this uh i i think this proves that we'll have to absolutely have to get lucky with an upset uh Maybe not at the hands of the Cowboys, but somebody else talking about. But by the way, we should give credit to Brock Purdy.

I know they surround them with a nice safety blanket. But for God's sakes, 12 in a row or 12 and one or 12. You count the one as a start, I guess, in the playoffs. But that guy doesn't make mistakes. And we watch quarterbacks all day long make mistakes. Right. And he doesn't make mistakes. And we watch quarterbacks all day long make mistakes, right? And he doesn't make one. He doesn't have like four passes that could be picks.

So I hate to be positive about anything, but that guy is damn good. He won us over last year. Then he gets hurt. This year, wasn't sure. There was that Thursday night game when he had like two bad drives in a row. I was like, oh my God, okay.

It's hitting midnight for Brock Purdy. I was like, oh my God. Okay. It's hitting midnight for Brock Purdy. And then he's been lights out ever since. And Ethan Sherwood Strauss wrote a good piece about him. He was comparing him. He wrote it over the weekend. He was comparing him to Draymond Green and about how these guys that fall through the cracks and drafts and what are the reasons somebody falls through the cracks, right? And it's usually they overlook them because they're too small. Or in Draymond's case, it's like, what position is he? But he was saying in both of the cases,

the decision-making is what makes them special. And Collinsworth was talking about that during the game tonight. Like, Purdy has this ability just immediately to process what to do. And I was thinking about that piece as I was watching the game today. Not perfect. He'll get some balls batted down. But the processing is exactly what they need. Because I was thinking about that piece as I was watching the game today. Not perfect. He'll get some balls batted down, but the processing is exactly what they need. Because I was thinking about it. There was always rumors Shanahan wanted Mac Jones. And if you put Mac Jones in that Niner system from day one, would he be able to process stuff as fast as Purdy does? And I just

don't think he would. I know Purdy has way better everything. He's got better line, better weapons, but I think there's that one extra piece. Brady had it right away. You could see it in 2001. Just like, man, this guy just, he's moving fast. He sees it. He knows exactly what to do. He has it.

And he doesn't lose. I think the thing to me with the Niners is how long can they keep their three healthy? Debo, Kittle, McCaffrey. Can you get five months out of these guys? Well, we'd be thinking like week five, this was the peak. Whoa, the Niners. Man, remember when they were healthy? That team was the best team in the league. If you're giving me the over or under, if you're giving me two, over or under, all three of those guys staying healthy through January, would you go over or under? You'd probably go under because the history would say, yeah, or push.

Yeah. Could have made it fun. Made it two and a half. But yeah, no, I'll go. I'll go push on that. I think it's probably two. Yeah. Yeah.

One and a half or two. Yeah. Well, first of all, I'm glad you were somehow able to compare it to an NBA player. I was worried. You're like, I have a comparison. I was like, oh, that please, please let it be. Oh, Ethan did it. Okay.

Well, Draymond Green, I don't know. Is Purdy expected to punch the kicker in the mouth? Maybe he'll graduate. Draymond was a lot nicer 10 years ago. Yeah, well, they have those three, and then there's the other three. Warner, Greenlaw, Bosa,

Hargrave now. I mean, Collinsworth, oh, Bill, those guys are hungry for contact. They really are. He loved those, you know, the defense. By the way, he introduced a new one,

Pash Routes. Pash Routes today. I got a lot of notes about Pash Routes. He's got to warn us when he does that. They should, I was thinking,

remember when Madden, they used to, what was the Madden award they would give in Thanksgiving? Like his turkey leg of the day or whatever it was. The turducken. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The turducken. I was thinking, remember when Madden, what was the Madden award they would give in Thanksgiving? Like his turkey leg of the day or whatever it was. The turducken. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The turducken. It should be the Collinsgasm of the day, where it's like handed to a player that caused Collinsworth to have an orgasm on live TV. Tonight, it was Fred Warner. It's like, oh, Mike, Fred Warner. Oh, my God. It's Fred Warner. It's like, what can't he do, Mike's like what can he do Mike what can he do he disrupts every

pass around will you pass the salt sweetheart I'm here at the end of the table I was thinking I wish Collinsworth could talk to like the ringer before like he could do some sort of broadcast but talk about

the ringer and be like ah ah, man, we talked to, they love this Kyle Creighton. They love this guy. This guy, they think he could be the best producer in America. They love this guy. I think we'll do it. I mean, he owes you.

I mean, you had a write-up about, about the comments on, we love Collinsworth. Is there any way? It's out of luck. It's all, it's all love with Collinsworth. I know. It seems negative. I feel bad, but I love it, and I would be very upset if I didn't know what was the write-up.

You were in the New York Post about the Collinsgasm or whatever you called it. We love Collinsworth. I know. It's like, you make fun of the people you love. That's right. Also people we hate, but yes, but not Collinsworth. Fred Warner, what can't this guy do?

I just, Mike, I've never seen him like it. He is the best linebacker in the league, Mike. By the way, clean up. But the flip side of that is Dak Prescott, who I feel like I've defended as much as I can, but I feel like that guy has time to throw. We see those one o'clock games are miserable for the

most part, right? We're seeing 10 or 11 bad NFL quarterbacks, but the common denominator is a lot of them just don't have time to throw. You can blame Dan Dimes all you want, but that guy has about a quarter of a second to throw, and only when he

takes off is it going to be a positive play, really, on his own. That's not Prescott's thing. They protect him pretty well. It's just bad throws, bad decisions, and not fit for January. That's for sure. You know, I've been on this corner for a while. I think he's good enough, but not good enough.

He's good enough to make you think you might have a chance to be something but there's some piece that's missing you know what he reminds me of I was thinking like

a basketball player Draymond Green oh no no that's somebody like you can you know he's the best score on like a 7th seed

but you know you're not winning like 3 straight rounds no it's you know but like when we talked about best quarterbacks he's clearly like one of No, it's, you know. But like when we talked about best quarterbacks, he's clearly like one of the best 10 to 12.

You know, he's in the top half of the position. But in a game like tonight, you just don't trust him. You know, you made fun of me in our fantasy league. I bid $2 on him and everybody laughed. And then I bid $3 on them. I outbid myself. Yeah, that was amazing. You're like, well, that's never going to happen again. I need that dollar back. I did love that. So your team beat the New York teams in New England. Those are your three wins. No. There's an outside chance you might be the good bad team.

You expect us to beat Arizona? Well, every year there's the good-bad team, right? And I'm not sure who the good-bad team is. I was trying to figure out. I was thinking is it... Could it be the Chargers? Or is it your team? I'll take it. It's got the word good

in it. Yeah, it's got the word good in it. I'll take the good-bad team. Because the good-bad team will go like 12-5 or 11-6, but you just don't take the win seriously because they never beat anybody. Well, you know, we play the Chargers next week, so maybe that's a good-bad bowl. Oh, that's in LA, right? That's basically a home game.

Yeah, right, exactly. That's a home game. All right, we done with your team? Yeah, yeah, let's go to yours. Did we talk about the Niners enough? Because they're fucking... No, they're excellent. They are.

I don't see any holes in anything. They're tough and they greet you. A short pass, you're greeted immediately with contact and just tough through and through. And it's crazy that Trey Lance couldn't make it on this team. And then you think, no, it is because Brock Purdy is good. It just all adds up to positive shit. It is one of those teams that you're watching and you're like,

I thought we had a salary cap. I thought teams weren't supposed to be good at every position. But somehow they are. And then McCaffrey trade, if the season goes the way it seems like it's going, the McCaffrey trade could be an all-time trade. It really could. Like the way that the Cowboy fans always talked about the Hershel Walker trade

and how it paved the way. There's a lot more that happened than just the Hershel Walker trade, but it's one of the things. On to my team. My team is minus 76 with a one and four record. They've scored 55 points total. They have 10 turnovers this year.

The 2016 Patriots had 11 turnovers the entire regular season. So they're one behind the 2016 Patriots for turnovers. I did my power poll mostly to see where I would put them. And I have them 30th. I think Carolina was 32nd and Denver is 31st because Denver's defense, they've given up 181 points there. Even the Jets can get to mid-high 20s against them. But New England, it's Carolina, Denver, New England, probably Chicago, maybe the Giants, maybe Arizona. I think there's six teams that are going to be in this Caleb

Williams sweepstakes. And the question that I was texting my friends about today is just like, it's time, right? If we're ever going to have a chance to get another franchise quarterback, this season seems like it's wide open. They have a really tough schedule. They've had injuries on defense already. They have the worst offense in the league other than maybe Carolina. And I can't think of a single reason why this team would think it has a chance to compete because it's not going to be able to. They got absolutely annihilated by New Orleans today. Annihilated. The game was over immediately. Mack is unplayable. They have, I would say, one of the four worst lines in the league. They have no skill position guys you would write home about. And the defense got worse because of the injuries worst lines in the league. They have no skill position guys you would write home about.

And the defense got worse because of the injuries. I just don't see a path for them not to be like 3-14. So why not embrace it? Why not trade a couple guys and try to bottom out? I think this is the year to do it. I'm with you, but you don't want to say it's the coach. Dennis Allen came into your coach's house and stole his girlfriend while he was playing Miss Pac-Man. Like, it was crazy that he just I mean, that was that was my stay away on Ringer Wise guys today.

I said, this is crazy. This is insane, guys. Patriots were embarrassed. The Saints, who have trouble scoring just as much, are coming to Gillette. This is Dennis Allen against Belichick. And this is in the tic-tac zone. It's fluctuating between minus one and plus one. And I think instead of doing a power poll, I was curious what you thought about as far as they... I feel like they have no identity, right?

So what percent of this team resembles the Brady team? I think last year you could have still said 40% or 30%. Now it's got to be down to almost zero. I don't think you could have still said 40% or 30%. Now it's got to be down to almost zero. I don't think he could have said it last year either because remember all the dumb sloppy shit that was happening last year? I think this is year five of dating

back to Brady's last season of like, man, this doesn't seem like a Belichick team. We've been saying that for five years. He's in his early 70s. I've talked to a lot of people i talked on my podcast on thursday i think this is his last year as coach i felt that way before the game today and i think for at least the coach the patriots i think this is going to be someone else is going to take him what does he offer to another i think mayo is going to be the coach they're either gonna he's gonna retire or they'll fire him or he'll go to another team he

can't however it plays out. The win total thing is really interesting, though, because everybody's like, he's going to hold on until the record. Well, do the math. Shula has 347. It's the regular season and the playoffs combined. That's what they're calling the record, which is interesting because it kind of favors the more modern coaches. But Shula's 347.

Belichick is 330. He's got 299 regular season, 31 playoffs. And the thinking is, well, he needs 18 more to pass Shula. Well, this team, this is a four-win team. So throw this year out. Now we got to hope like, oh, can it be a 10-year team? Even if you say he stays on the pats, it might be like another three and a half years, right? Like

he's going to have to jump to another team. Here's the other thing. And I haven't heard anybody mentioned this. So Andy Reid is at 273. He is 57 behind Belichick right now. He's got 251 regular season, 22 playoffs. And you think he's going to gain another 10 this year. So by the end of this year, he'll be like mid thirties away from Belichick. He's six years younger than him and he's got Mahomes. He's going to go 12 and five, 13, four every single year for the next four, plus two to four playoff wins. He's going to pass Belichick in five, six years. I think if Belichick wants that record, he also has to worry about the Andy Reid part. And it's not going to pass Belichick in five, six years. I think if Belichick wants that record, he also has to worry about the Andy Reid part. And it's not going to happen in New England. I said Thursday,

Chargers or Washington. Chargers is where if you really want to keep the record and move it along, you got to attach to Justin Herbert. But from what the other owners have watched with this Pats team, you're like, oh my God, we have a chance to get Belichick. Yeah, right. I'm looking, as you say this, at like, yeah, Andy Reid's going to have a nice ending to his number if he should pass Shula. Shula himself, 11-5, 9-7, 10-6, 9-7. So he didn't have the problem Belichick has

of like, you know, three or four wins. It's like a baseball. Can I compare someone to baseball? But it's like a baseball player who's hitting 240 as a 38-year-old trying to stick around to get his 3,000th hit. He's like Miguel Cabrera on the Tigers trying to just kind of hang on. Yeah, I think it's going to be,

he's in a division with Josh Allen. He's in a conference with Allen and Mahomes and Burrow and Herbert. And the smart move would be to switch franchises heading into next season if he wants a record and try to do it that way. It's time for a divorce, and I guarantee Kraft wants to bottom out this year

and get a top five pick. This is one of the best QB classes, probably one of the three best of the century. I was watching Caleb Williams last night. That guy's fucking amazing. You get that guy, it's like you're basically getting Mahomes. And that was a terrible Caleb Williams game, by the way,

if you look at his stats. But the two touchdowns he scored, the one in overtime. He's an electric football player. And Drake May. And I know there's some other people that people like. Yeah, but let me ask you this. Would those guys take the Patriots to the playoffs? Would Patrick Mahomes?

Patrick Mahomes might take the Patriots to the playoffs. What other quarterbacks would take the Patriots to the playoffs? Patrick Mahomes might take the Patriots to the playoffs. What other quarterbacks would take the Patriots to the... I know it's fun to blame Mac Jones, but what other quarterbacks would take them to the playoffs this year? That's just a piece of it, getting a great quarterback. I think what Herbert's... Herbert's Chargers team is not really any better or worse than the Pats. You'd think Mike Williams is already out.

Eckers played one game. Their defense sucks. Their coach is worse than Belichick. Eckler's played one game. Their defense sucks. Their coach is worse than Belichick. And they went 2-2. They're probably going to be at least 500 because he single-handedly made them competitive. So I would put him on there. I don't know, man.

I don't know what happened to your team today. 316 yards for the Saints. What do you mean? But how do you lose 34-0 when the other team scored had 300, bailed 300 yards? It's very weird.

It's a turnover machine offensively. And defensively, they lost their best cornerback and their best pass rusher. I think it being a home game was actually bad for them. The crowd got bummed out

immediately. It just went from bad to worse. Derek Carr started getting confidence. Kamara always kills them for some reason. But yeah, I think if you're going first coach fired,

is Belichick one of the three coaches now? I can't believe I'm saying this. I feel like I'm going to get struck by lightning, but we're just talking about 2023. This is the reality of the situation. It's funny. You and I would always go over this in the beginning of the year, and he was always like 100 to 1. I said,

he could get arrested for something. I mean is evil yeah he has to there's always that factor but yeah now it's just on its merits Iroflus would be the favorite right now I haven't seen these numbers in a while though there were rumors that if they lost that Thursday night game he was going to get bounced because they had like 10 days but they won Rivera I think is always in the mix especially if you watch that Thursday game. Belichick and then Brandon Staley I think would be the other one, but I can't believe Belichick's even in that conversation.

But I think the Andy Reid piece of it is really underrated because... Yeah, that's true. I hadn't looked at that. That might be 70 to 75 wins for the next five years for him, just with being teamed up with Mahomes on that team. So do you think Belichick's looking at that like, alright,

you know what, what does this matter? If my record, which is Shula's record, is going to be bounced in four years, what do I care? I have to watch that as an 80-year-old happen. Maybe you're right. Maybe that's it. I think he cares. I think he's like a

historian of the game. Also, the thing with Kraft, that can't be understated because the Brady thing was a huge, you know, a huge thing between them. And Kraft wanted

to take care of Brady and Belichick wanted to move on and thought he was an old player. And that came a, you know, pretty divisive thing

that did not work out. All right, we're going to take a break and then talk about some really good storylines from today with the league zagged in a bunch of ways. So come right back. This episode is brought to you by Movember. The mustache is back with a vengeance. Look at Travis Kelsey. Before he rocked that Super Bowl ring, he rocked that super soup strainer.

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Carolina, Denver, the Pats. I'm thinking of these offenses. Chicago? Chicago, Denver. I think it's Carolina. I think they're the worst team. I might go Denver and I think it's Carolina. I think they're the worst team. I might go Denver, and I had them. And I know I made fun of you for taking the Jets and the teasing.

You did. You ridiculed me. You interrupted the most popular pregame show in the country to give us your teaser, which was the Jets and the over, or the under? The over. I did the Jets and the over, teasing the over down to 37, the Jets plus eight and a half.

I texted you guys. I thought you guys. I thought you guys would like the spirit of the bet and how smart it was. And instead, I was just ridiculed. How smart it was. You did the Wilson versus Wilson wallopalooza. I thought there were going to be points. I felt strongly about it.

I think that's why I... Then I would say Denver's the worst. I think there's nothing worse than a bad defense. I think you can get lucky offensively. It is so hard. With some of these teams, it takes forever to move the ball, and then they turn the ball over. It's like, oh, great, all right.

They're not going to sniff the end zone or field goal for another 40 minutes of real time. But Denver is the worst. So you think the Jets could have actually blown that game out because Wilson, they could have gotten three more at the end of the half he forgot to spike it in time he threw that terrible interception near the end of the game to Garrett Wilson when they challenged Sertan um there was just in general I love it though I love Wilson versus Wilson it's like Gotti Ward

right there's always it's always going to be entertaining that's that's the perfect thing it's like bad godly word poor man's godly word like now a lot of knockdowns no i want to see it three times a year you think they should both retire you hate yourself for loving it and uh the interceptions are knockdowns there were three the strip sacks are low blows hackett and payton i mean leave all the players in there not just not just wilson versus wilson leave everybody in there um and let's i mean need the quarterback through for 200 yards it was an insane game Payton. I mean, leave all the players in there. Not just Wilson versus Wilson. Leave everybody in there. I mean, neither quarterback threw for 200 yards. It was an insane game. I thought Zach Wilson made some good plays.

I do think he's better than he was two weeks ago. It's funny, right before he threw that interception on that drive to Wilson, he had this really nice third and 10 or third and 11 where he stood in the pocket, he waited, he nailed the guy over the middle. I was like, oh, man. Zach Wilson. That was

a real play. Then he threw a pick like three plays later. Sean Payton, some of his stuff was so bad in this game that I actually was wondering if he was tanking because they have their own first round pick. The Jets lost both of their corners at one point in the second half because they lost

the other guy and then Sauce went out. And I'm watching the game. I have the Jets. I have the Jets in multiple bets. I'm like, oh my God, the Jets are going to fucking lose because Russell Wilson is going to light up there. You know, they'd already lost Barrett Tucker. They lose.

Both cornerbacks are out. And the Broncos come and they immediately run the stupid reverse and the guy fumbles. Yeah, gadget plays. a depleted defense. This team has no cornerbacks. Like, you can't. Nobody can get open. So, I wonder, like, they're 1-4.

The trade deadline's always early. And I think they're going to get proactive. They traded Randy Gregory last week because, you know, that whatever. He wasn't playing well. But I do think they're going to trade a couple guys and try to bottom out. I think the Patriots should do the same thing I think they should trade Kendrick Bourne and

you know one of their safeties and one of their D linemen like gut the team bottom out I don't even know what they get I know I would say I don't know if this is tanking but at this point I'm convinced that Peyton would rather do this without Russell Wilson and I don't know if that means...

Would you see how mad he was on that last strip sack? Yeah. He was so disgusted. But he couldn't blame Russell Wilson for the Bears game, right? Yeah. Or for the Dolphins game because they gave up 70, right? So now we're getting back in the territory where you can blame Russ where two cornerbacks are out and he can't throw over the top.

Well, their run defense last four games gave up 122, 350, 171, and 234. Jeez. The last four.

I mean, that's awful. I think Sean Payton's a good example of money's not everything unless you think money's everything. But he took the money. This was a money grab.

100%. And you could say like, oh, Denver historic franchise bullshit. He took over a team that had no draft picks and a pretty barren roster and grabbed the check. He also just seems like he's from a

college team. Coming from like a TCU after TCU's big year last year. And they call him like he's completely lost in the NFL. Yeah. He was an NFL coach a couple years ago and pretty good. I know you could lose your fastball, but that quickly just going from the

you didn't step up a league. Agree. Brees Hall was awesome in that game. That was one of those there were some fantasy guys this year. Rizal was one of them where it's like, eh, ACL, it's a two-year injury.

No, it's not. He's fucking flying. Jonathan Taylor. Oh my god. That guy might not. The Colts are going to suck. That guy might not play at all this year. What does he go for? Now he's back. Cooper Cup. Hamstring. He's going to the Mayo Clinic. He's flying to Germany. he's back. Cooper Cup. Hamstring. He's going to the Mayo Clinic. He's flying to Germany.

He's back. It just goes to show you when there's these super devalued fantasy guys, it's probably worth rolling the dice when they're high pedigree guys. Did you get any of those guys? I think so too. No, I got

Puka Cup. Puka Cup would be the greatest one. You jumped in on Puka. On Puka, yeah. He's unbelievable. He's open. We talk about this every week. He's always open. I know.

It doesn't matter. It's so weird. And Atwell's good, too. Like, all those guys. I was surprised in that game. I don't know why. I just want, you know, I'm not rooting for the Eagles, which is probably why I want them to fall short.

But they, you know, after play, but they just smack everybody around. They held the Rams to zero in the second half. That's a damn good team. I thought when you're watching that first quarter and you're thinking, the Rams aren't as good, but this is the perfect team to play the Eagles because the Eagles can't cover all this stuff over the middle. These little 10-yard pops, they're going to have this all day. The Eagles are in trouble. This is their weakness. By the second half,

they corrected it. Hurts was awesome. Is Hurts because Allen, I think he fell from the MVP thing. You want to guess if you looked at MVP? I did look. Because they disappear, so I wanted to grab it. But you have Hurts at, what, 12-1, and he's six now?

Yeah, I thought Hurts might be the favorite. Mahomes is plus 350. He's the favorite. Tua is second at 5-1. Tua wasn't even... I know they put up points, but I thought there was some shaky moments with him today. And then Hurts is 6-1.

And I think Hurts is the one to watch in that category. Funny, Brock Purdy is up to 7-1, which is hilarious. Herbert is 16-1. Is he 7-1? Purdy's 7-1 and McCaffrey's 18, huh? Yeah. Or did he go down? Wow.

McCaffrey is 20-1. 20? He was 18 two hours ago. If I had to go long shot, I think Trevor Lawrence at 20-1 is interesting. Oh, come on. Well, I'm just go long shot, I think Trevor Lawrence at 20 to one is interesting. Oh, come on. Well, I'm just saying long shot because we've only had five games. There's a ton of football left.

They finally had a good offensive performance today. Well, they got their left tackle back. Yeah. You know, I don't think that was nothing. And today was the first day. Now it's London. Buffalo looked asleep. I actually woke up.

You would have been proud of me. I woke up and I watched the entire game. Nice. Then I had it on the small TV watching you guys from 8 to 9, West Coast time. I watched that whole game. You could tell in the first quarter that Jacksonville was going to win. They had a look to them. Buffalo looked a little discombobulated.

Sometimes October, a team emerges every year where we all look at the team and we go, oh, okay, they've decided to show up for the party. I think that's the logical team, especially in that division. Houston lost a tough one today to Atlanta, but Houston's pretty good, but it's hard to imagine them going 9-8 or 10-7. Tennessee's pretty limited. Indianapolis, Anthony Richardson's been hurt twice. And it just feels like if Jacksonville

can't go 10-7 and win that division with the team they have, that's embarrassing. Yeah, it's just no fun picking them, right? Going into the year, we wanted somebody else. But you're right. But I think that game played out like we thought. I thought the intangible of Jacksonville being there an extra week would help them. And Buffalo flying out after basically winning their Super Bowl, their September-October Super Bowl, beating the Dolphins, partying and then flying out Friday for this game.

You could tell exactly where the jet lag wore off in the fourth quarter. They woke up. The injuries are bad. They woke up. The injuries are bad. They can't, they can't lose a major defender every week. Right. Tredavious white last week, Milano out for the year now this week.

So Milano is spectacular this season. Yeah. And it like the, uh, Rich Eisen was announcing, he's like Milano's on the cart. They have an air cast between his knee and his thigh. And it was like, Oh no, that sounds awful. That's like, Milano's on the cart. They have an air cast between his knee and his thigh. And I was like, oh no, that sounds awful.

That's like your upper leg. So anyway, he's done. They lost White last week. There's possible curse of the Lennon game, but Buffalo was the hot team last week. That was the dominant team to talk about. Allen MVP, Buffalo, what's different? Are they the best offense?

That ended in a week. Usually we get like a month before the thing fades away. But, you know, I think they're in trouble. If Tua stays healthy, the Miami has to be favored in that division. And yet, are they favored? Yeah, they are. They're minus 130 and Buffalo is plus 135.

What's interesting, the AFC South. Miami's favored now? Miami's favored on FanDuel. Minus 130. Wow, they got the head-to-head and everything. I got to look at the schedule. AFC South. Jacksonville's only minus 120,

and that seems like a number to grab. Don't you think? Who would you take if you were to take a Jacksonville in that division? I guess I would. Wait a second. AFC South. Oh yeah, you're right. Jacksonville minus 120.

Tennessee plus 380. Indy plus 410. And Houston plus 650. You and I took Tennessee, right? In the plus 350 range or something. And I just don't see them putting two wins together

in a row all year. Right? It's such a weird squad. What sucked for them today was they actually got a good Hopkins game. He's good. And the reason they lost it is that Colts Minshew came in and they were still able to run the ball. Minshew's better than at least five starting quarterbacks we watch.

I felt the same about Tyrod Taylor. I was like, I'd take Tyrod Taylor on the pats right now if we're trying to win. But yeah, from a division champ thing, I think the AFC North is the hardest to figure out right now because Baltimore is plus 110, Cleveland's plus 270, Pittsburgh's plus 460, and the Bengals are five to one. And you could talk yourself out of each of those teams. I think I would probably like Cleveland at plus 270 the most because of the defense. And I had them preseason too. But this Pittsburgh team, I mean, it's the same. Their games are all the same.

Like you're watching it. And in the beginning, I'm like, maybe this division isn't so great. If Baltimore is just going to run over everybody, they're wiping them up. And Pittsburgh has like four first downs midway through the third quarter. And then it's like, wait, why is the score only 10-3? What's going on here? And then they'll get a safety and it's like, oh my God, they're down 10-5. They might do this.

Meanwhile, they have two first downs. Right. It's like, how are they going to cover but lose? Oh, 10-8. That sounds good. They're 12-8, whatever. But then it's the same shit. Like the quarterback screws up.

Lamar throws that interception. Pickett has exactly one good drive in him. And they end up 9-8 at the end of the year. I don't know. He makes one awesome throw. Yeah, right. That touchdown to Pickens was like a perfect 45-yard throw. I wrote down some Pittsburgh stats.

They have five offensive touchdowns in five games. They have zero rushing touchdowns. Zero. They're averaging 3.1 yards per carry. They have 87 first downs total. They're not at 100 first downs yet, five games in. Their next five weeks, bye week at the Rams, which will be a home game.

That'll be all Steelers fans. Home Jacksonville, home Tennessee, home Green Bay. I had them to win not only the AFC North, but I liked them as a one seed long shot. And after five games, I'm like, oh my God, I was so wrong about Pittsburgh. They're three and two. They actually might have a chance to be like a three-seater, maybe even a two-seater. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen in that division. It's such a garbage three-hour watch is the only thing.

And I feel like they're effing with us too. It's like their Fire Canada cheers throughout the game. And I feel like Tomlin's like, I feel like the ownership's like, hey, Mike, if you want to fire Matt Canada and put in a serviceable offense that doesn't have three first downs every middle of every third quarter, he's like, no, no, no, no. It's more challenging this way. Let's do it this way.

No, no, this is part of our plan. We like to lull the other team to sleep with our three and outs. Infuriate the fans and the bettors. It's weird because they're the perfect candidate to run the Joe Flacco 2014 Ravens offense of just throwing it deep every four plays and trying to get a P.I. or something like that. I thought that was a way worse game for Baltimore than it was a good win for Pittsburgh. Even though Pittsburgh, great defense.

T.J. Watt was awesome. But that was another one of those. Lamar has these games, right? He had that game a couple weeks ago where you're like, my God, that guy just single-handedly fucking won this game. That guy's amazing. Then he has the game today where you watch and you go, man, what the fuck, Lamar?

He was so bad in that game. It wasn't just the two turnovers in the fourth quarter. That overthrows. Oh, my God. He had won. Zay Flowers was open by seven yards, and he threw it so badly that Zay Flowers had to stop. It was like watching an outfielder try to field a pop fly

where the wind pulled it. He had to stop and pull it. I thought he was going to break his ACL. He was wide open by seven yards. That would have been the game if I remember correctly. Oh, my God. Basically, right? Lamar, the loss is on him. He was have been the game if I remember. Oh my God. Basically. Right. Yeah. Like Lamar, like he, the losses on him, he was bad in that game. And that's like, you know, Lamar is a

fun guy to argue about how great is he? Should he be paid like all these other dudes? He has these stinkers where you're just watching go, man, what the fuck Lamar? Yeah. Right. Um, and then next week he'll probably be awesome. Yeah. I, you at it, and especially when he's with that 10 a.m. slate or 1 p.m. slate for the East Coasters, like Lamar stands out as one of the best quarterbacks, right? Obviously, it's like, oh, Atlanta's having trouble moving the ball. They should have signed him. Who else has trouble?

The Giants. The Giants, obviously. Tennessee, Indianapolis, any of these South teams. Carolina. Well, all bang, bang, bang. All should have signed them. And then it's like, oh, wait a minute. Because this was the game where they had all their dudes come back.

This is why the line went to Steelers plus five and a half. The Square King Joe House was all over it. He sniffed it out. Yeah, it was good. I have to mention my beloved cowork-worker, Mallory Rubin, who I've been working with for 10 years, who I love dearly. Big Ravens fan. Huge Ravens fan.

Even bigger Orioles fan. This Orioles run, you know, there's been like zero Orioles happiness, really, for the entire time she's been an adult or even a teenager. And this Orioles team was the team. 48 come from behind wins. Lamar is on a high. He's doing great. And it really just felt like October.

This is going to be like Baltimore's month. And we go to today. Lamar really stinks. The O's fall back 0-2. I don't know if you watched the game yesterday, but I've been watching a lot of baseball playoffs. The playoffs have been, with the time clock, it's been fantastic. But I have these bets, too. I don't know if you watched the game yesterday, but I've been watching a lot of baseball playoffs. The playoffs have been with the time clock. It's been fantastic.

I have these bets too. I bet on a lot of the right teams somehow, but watching them against Texas who has the worst bullpen ever and it's just like, Baltimore's going to come back. They've done this all year and Chapman comes out, throws six balls in a row.

Here it is. Texas got them. So now Texas is up to nothing. Anyway, the Baltimore fans are all time rock bottom right now. So shout out to them. We know the pain. I talk about Patriots pain. I can say nothing about pain.

My team won six Super Bowls. This Orioles thing, it's like 20 seasons rolled into one and they just shit the bed. And I don't know if this bye week is worth it. I'm sorry to talk about baseball, but when you have all this time off, I don't know. It just feels like it's a little dangerous. I think it's great. What happened to the Dodgers this weekend?

Yeah, I know. But you know what? Everybody kind of deserves what they get here because first of all, I love the three-day playoffs for those fringe teams, right? It's great. If you lose that, it's too bad. You shouldn't have gotten a wild card. You should have won your division

and make sure the division you win is competitive, right? You're not, you know, the twins advanced, but that would have been the case there. So, all right. So now you're down in just three days and don't watch those games if you don't want. You're down to eight teams. Like it takes the NBA and NH games. If you don't want, you're down to eight teams. Like it takes the NBA and NHL, like two and a half weeks to get down to eight teams.

Now, and then, but the, what the Phillies did, and I know you have them Raheem gave them out and I like the Phillies over the Braves too, mainly because the NL team just collapses, but they got to keep their rotation intact because they won both their games. They didn't have to go to a game three. So it's very cool, but I think you're right. The buy doesn't help. Baseball players are used to playing 13 out of 14 game days. Yeah. On the flip side, the people making that case, the Dodgers start Kershaw last night because they've had bad luck with their starting pitchers. Kershaw gets shelled that he's out in the first inning and you know that's like maybe you shouldn't

win a five game series if your opening pitcher gets absolutely shelled alright we did a baseball digression I have a couple more quick things for you did Joe Burrow fly to Germany and ask for the Kobe over the last week because

he looked like a different guy he actually had he was moving around. He scrambled. His throws had zip. This was like Joe Burrow was back. A week ago, it looked like he was going to just struggle through the whole year. I had him in fantasy.

He was absolutely murdering one of my teams. And now the same team, I scored 190 points today. But did you feel like that was a completely different guy or was that just me? Yeah, he did. He looked dug in. And wait, wait, how far out are they on it? Wait a minute.

What are the Ravens? Three and two? And the Bengals are two and three. The Bengals are right in there. The Bengals are five to one to win the North? Yeah. Oh, we're never going to get that. I mean, it might just be as simple.

He might have flown somewhere to get some kind of crazy shot. Or maybe Jamar Chase was like, no, I'm serious, dude. I'm wide fucking open. Just throw it to me, it might just be as simple. He might have flown somewhere to get some kind of crazy shot or maybe Jamar Chase was like, no, I'm serious, dude. I'm wide fucking open. Just throw it to me. Just heave it. 192 yards. Yeah. Arizona, who I bet on, that was I crushed

this week in real life. My losses were Arizona. The clock hit midnight for them, it felt like, especially on defense. And I lost that Atlanta line. I bet it at Atlanta two and a half. They're up three. They're driving. It's like, all right, put this away. Don't kick the field goal to make this six. And then Houston's going to come back down and score a touchdown. And then you'll come back down and win by two. I was watching with a friend of mine.

I was like, God damn it. They're going to fuck this up. I'm not going to. And of course, they end up winning by two. But yeah, the Cincy, that team did not exist in the first four weeks. And that's, you know, you got to be careful sometimes. I'm writing that down five to one. Yeah, that's a good one.

What's the logic behind that? They still have to play although i know they lost to the ravens we'll see well well the counter would be arizona arizona has kind of risen to the arizona sea level like dobbs finally looked like josh dobbs today he had that interception before the half was was just awful well that was bad coaching so for the people who didn't see the game a Arizona gets this incredible goal line stand, mostly thanks to Zach Taylor. And then they kind of panic. They run the tush-push play in first down.

And then second down, they have Dobbs throwing over the middle, which you're not supposed to do from your own end zone. Of course, the guy misses it. Pick six, and it's this huge swing. They just needed to get to the half with the lead. I think they could have won the game. Yeah, I had some small ones for you. You know I don't say stuff like this lightly.

I might have even said this before, but Laporta really looks like Gronk sometimes to me. Gronk is the best tight end I've ever seen. I'm not saying he's Gronk is the best tight end I've ever seen. And I'm not saying he's Gronk. But there's stuff he does as a tight end that I haven't seen since Gronk. You like the muscular arms and the pea brain? He catches passes in traffic. Guys bounce off him.

He's just different. We had all these rookie tight ends. He's different. There's something about that dude. And that was one of the many reasons. We didn't talk about the Lions enough. We knew they were going to beat Carolina. I took their money line and I put them with every bet I made today. I know it was Carolina, but I'm so jealous of that Lions team after watching my team. First of all, the defense is solid, right? It's not just like a track meet there. You got Hendrickson making plays every time he's out there.

They move the ball. It's something to say. Jared Goff moves the ball. You don't have to wait nine minutes to get a field goal. Very well coached. And they had Gibbs out, and they had Marce St. Brown was out too. So nothing really matters. So that's what really impressed me today

because it was one of those spots where you take the team in a parlay or a teaser and you're thinking, ah, they'll beat Carolina and then they have a couple injuries. No, no, they're fine. They're much better. And then you're watching the game

and they fall behind and you go, oh man, why did I bet on them when St. Brown's out and Gibbs is out? I'm so fucking stupid. It didn't matter that those guys were out. They were still moving the ball up and down the field. It's a really good team. I was wrong on a few things this year,

unfortunately for me. Can we talk real quick about the one I was most wrong about, the Minnesota Vikings? I feel like we should hit that game a little bit. I mean, they... They were in it. I mean, they... You should have covered it, right?

I know. I had the same game. Parlay with them. All they needed to do was to stay within seven and a half and that to go over 54. And they pick up the flag. I've been screaming about these refs who should be picking up the flag on pass interferences when the ball is so overthrown that it's uncatchable.

This was on their throne and they picked it up. For years I haven't seen it in a long, long time. And that was it. That was it. And Cousins is a wreck too. Has he ever played in that building before? He all of a sudden can't hear a thing. He's running around

the line of scrimmage, laterally down the line of scrimmage holding his helmet. Well, Jefferson, I don't know how much of the second half he missed, but it was most of it. And for them to even have a chance to cover, the Chiefs just remind me of that Brady-Patriot stretch

where they would get bored during games. They knew they were going to win, but the other team would hang around and they would never cover. And it was always these games where the back door cover was looming. I still don't know. I have a giant TV and can't tell what Chiefs are.

I still don't know the numbers. Is that Sky Moore? Is that Valdez Scantling? None of them stand out in any way. It's just this interchangeable group of receivers that don't seem special or unique in any way. And then there's Kelsey, who it looked like he got hurt

for about five minutes there. And it was like, wow, if he goes down, what are they going to do? Bad news. He came out, scored. Wide open scores, by the way. Not bothering to cover him at all. I feel like that team can be had in the playoffs

this year because of the receivers. Those guys aren't open. As great as Mahomes is, when we get to January, I feel like that team could be beaten. I'm always tricked into thinking they have a good running game now because Pacheco will ultimately reel one off for 15 or 20.

But then I look at the stats. It's like, that wasn't that great. Devin Achain versus CJ Stroud. Seems like that's going to be an unbelievable offensive rookie of the year battle. Oh, yeah. Lots of fun. Is he the fastest person

you've ever seen on a football field? Because I used to think it was Tyreek Hill. Yeah, I think he is faster. He had a run today where it just felt like he was on some sort of video game where somebody was like accelerating him or something. 21.7 miles per hour. That is video game speed. Yeah, Stroud is plus 150.

A-Chain is 4 to 1. And Puka is plus 450. And Bijan at 6 to 1. Anthony Richardson, 9. It's a good crop. It really is. How can Puka not be the favorite when he's been absolutely lights out every game? And CJ Stroud, I agree with it.

Like CJ Stroud today, Atlanta goes up by six. Falcons just need to stop. They're at home. The game's over. The crowd's pretty loud. And the Falcons, I was impressed by them. They're like one of those sideline teams we always talk about.

Like they make a play and 20 guys on the sideline are jumping on the field and hitting helmets and just super fire. It seems like they have really good chemistry. Desmond Riddle was very good today. He was really good. That was like, we'll get one stop and we'll go home. Stroud took Houston right down the field and got the go-ahead touchdown. I was really impressed.

I think he's excellent. Cross-off teams, I have Carolina, New England, Denver. And I still think Chicago is a cross-off team even though they beat Washington Thursday night. If that team wins five games, I'd be amazed. Carolina, New England, Denver, Chicago? Yeah. And if I have to have a fifth one,

I would probably take Arizona. Yeah. I think those are the have a fifth one, I would probably take Arizona. Yeah. I mean, what are we talking about? Arizona's not going to get a wild card. No. Yeah, that's fine. They can have five. That's good. One last question. Would the Jets have been

like a top seven team if Rodgers didn't get hurt? If you just put Rodgers on that team this whole time, are we talking about them as like the second best team in the AFC? Because I don't think we are because I don't think their defense is as good as whatever the hype for it is. I thought Denver was doing stuff on them for most of the game.

They were running on them. Wilson was making plays on them. most of the game. They were running on them. Wilson was making plays on them. And anytime Denver screwed up, it was mostly based on their own incompetence or bad play calling or something. I just don't think the Jets defense is that good. Well, are you asking if they would be four and one or three and two?

Because they're two and three. They could, they'd be three and two with them. Give them the Pats win. Yeah. I don't know. They're either three and two or four and one. I don't know if they beat the Cowboys. It's tough. It's a tough one. Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe they would

have played well enough that Dak would have rolled over like he rolled over tonight. You're right. Alright, get better, Rogers. Get back in there. Alright, let's take a break. We'll do Guess the Lines. Alright, Guess the Lines. We have break we do guess lines all right guess the lines we have some by teams this week how to not write them down green bay and pittsburgh only two oh i like both of those teams yeah thursday night is a stinker yeah chiefs home for the Denver Broncos and

I think if the Broncos lose this it is a fire sale they're trading a bunch of guys on the team and they'll try to bottom out if they don't lose this if the Chiefs lose this they should trade a bunch of guys I don't know how they blow this

I mean this is a three team teaser back in the day when we did these. This was... Well, that'll depend on what this line is. I guess 12.5. Was I right? No, but you were close. I said 14.5, and it's 10.5. Oh, man.

We're teasing this. What the hell? Why? What do they expect Denver? They're going to score 50 points. They're going to score 50 points. The Dolphins scored 70. They'll score 50.

So, I'm going to tease that right after we finish the podcast. I'm just going to take 10 points and put that. Yeah, there's no way. How are the Chiefs going to score less than 40 points? That breaks my rule of don't bet Thursday night, but I'm betting that one. Well, that's the only way. If they're not up for it or they're not the three days rest. Now, the other thing is Kelsey, nothing season threatening, but does he play on three days rest? Is he worth a point? I don't know. Oh, I think he's worth two points. I've read an article. Maybe that's it then.

Somebody had an article. I apologize that I can't remember where I read it, but it was non-QBs, how they affect the point spread, and he was the number one guy. It was like two points. I think it was Ben Folks. Is that who wrote it? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, that was a good piece. I like shit like that. And Jefferson, I think, is out. Well, we'll get to that, but we'll see what that's worth with him questionable alright so the watchables

I have I have four watchables which is a lot I was actually kind of excited we had that many watchables yeah by the way thanks to the NFL today

for only having the six early games it made it a lot easier to follow everything isn't it great I mean of course they went back to they went back to eight because there's only two bye teams.

But when there's a Sunday morning game, there should only be seven at most. I'm sorry. No, there are seven. I'm sorry. I counted that morning. Six was great. Perfect number.

Yep. The watchables. Baltimore is at Tennessee. These games are always fun Well that's in London You see Oh god damn it Is that my first guest The line school

That is That's it Oh man We got two London games Without you screwing it up Come on Or maybe Germany I don't know

I think it's London Right So it's in Europe Yeah Jesus It's fine You're going to be or maybe Germany I don't know I think it's London right so it's in Europe yeah Jesus it's fine you're going to be God I was doing so well

this year you don't lose a point for that you know what I'm only going to add I'm only going to add a half point to my guess I'm going to say Ravens

by three and a half against the Titans oh that's what I said it is four that's exactly what I said three and a half wait I want to make sure this is in London and not, not that it affects the. No, I think it is in London.

Yeah, I think you're right. The Patriots are the only, or, uh, okay. All right. I think Kurt Warner is a good color guy on the TV games. Yeah. He's solid, right? Yeah. We don't have a lot of good color guys.

So when you have a good one, it makes you sad that they don't do more games. I think he's smart. I like the stuff he said. He did a good job. Well, he flies coach, and they like to save the money to these London games, so that's why they threw him in initially, but he does do good. No, I don't know.

Yeah, I actually would have believed that. That was like a religious thing. Bengals are home for the Seahawks this is a really fun game because we're going to find out

are the Bengals rejuvenated and I think the Seahawks are absolutely entertaining Witherspoon was the big Monday night hero last week

and vaulted into the rookie race but I like watching them I like watching Pete Carroll they're as good as I think we thought they were going to be.

I had the over for them. I thought they were a playoff team. And this would be a nice test for both teams. I have Bengals by two and a half at home. You get it. I had two,

and it's three. And this is, what, the fourth week in a row they're a three-point favorite? Right. Like Tennessee, they were two and a half, three. Arizona, they were two and a half, three.

This game, there was another one before that. Oh, the Rams, that Monday night game, they were two and a-3. This game, there was another one before that. Oh, the Rams, that Monday night game, they were 2.5-3. They're just effing with us here. Where's your lean here? I think that line goes down. Don't you think? I think that ends at 2 or 2.5.

I don't think that stays at 3. Seahawks are good and they can move the ball. I did something on Million Dollar Picks because I really want to take the Niners for the Sunday night game. The line was three and a half and that extra half point psychs you out. I went back and I looked

at all the three and a half lines this year and each time if you just said screw it. I just like this team. I don't care about the half point. I'm laying it, doing it. And each time it hit. So I think that's,

I'm going to call those a chest hair game. Just got to pop some chest hairs on and lay the extra half point. You could have gotten a little. Put some aqua valve on and some chest hair and have some whiskey and maybe have a Marlboro Red and just lay that half point.

Be a man. You could have gone dirtier than that, but I like that. Chest hair game. Pop some pubes. What, you had dirty weaponry? Oh, no, no. Pubes game?

No, I don't think that has the same ring. Chest hair game. You got it. Jaguars are home for the Colts. I don't know about Richardson. Seems like he's hurt. They didn't care. They chest hair game. You got it. Jaguars are home for the Colts. I don't know about Richardson. Seems like he's hurt. They didn't care. They don't care what the line is. It doesn't seem like it matters.

I have this in the Vegas zone. I think it's Jags by five and a half. Do I get it? Yes. It's four and a half. I said four. By the way, it's one thing if you have to

play in London two weeks and like, you know, Atlanta didn't take their bye after London, but don't you take your bye

after two weeks in London? Yeah, that's weird. What are they waiting for? That's a weird one. It's a good point. Screw them up.

I remember when we went to Europe for the Olympics in 2012 for like four and a half weeks. You're when we went to Europe for the Olympics in 2012 for four and a half weeks. You're still not over it. Yeah, it took, I'm not kidding, like a month. It was, my kids

were screwed up. We were up at weird hours. We were like, we're never going back there. I'm surprised they didn't demand that they take their bye. Last watchable. Another good one. I can't believe Jags Colts is a watchable and then B you didn't

complain that it was an AFC South game. I think you're coming around on the AFC South. Complain? Why? I just want to I don't want to even

talk about it. I know I just want you to give your offer to your line and me and then we just move on and I'll make a comment about London. I'm pro AFC South.

Last one Lions at Tampa. And I'm going to hit this one exactly. This is going to be Lions by three and a half in Tampa Bay. Why can't I find this? Oh, because it's a later. I said three and it is currently three. It's not three and a half? I got that.

No, no. You could look. No, I believe you. Yeah. It's three. It's not three and a half? I get that. No, no. Look, you could look. Man. No, I believe you. Yeah. It's three. Three is a bargain. Well, Tampa's three and one.

Detroit's four and one. Yeah, now that we praised Detroit, watch them lose this dumb game. I think they rested those two guys because they had that Bucs game coming up. Mm-hmm. Because the Bucs, you know.

Oh, maybe. Better team. Yeah. Well, the Bucs rested everyone because they've been maybe. Better team. Yeah. Well, the Bucs rested everyone because they've been off awful weeks. That line's going to climb. Market time. Wait, you don't have San Francisco Cleveland

in the watchables? Oh, you know what? I missed it because I'm doing a bad job hosting my own podcast. Oh, good. That was supposed to be the Sunday marquee game. 49ers-Browns. Wow.

Kyle, don't edit this. Such a dip. I want people to see, like, even the greats can fall apart sometimes. It's not easy. It really isn't, reading teams. It's to read a document that's in order. On a list. Yeah.

Kyle, edit out my guess for this, because I was way off. What do you think for this? Sunday marquee game, 49ers at the Browns. I have the 49ers by four. Really? You're right. You're right. I said five.

It's three and a half. This is the rat game. Rat, rat, rat. Browns, rat, rat. Browns have an incredible defense. And they're coming off a bye week. And they're going to have Deshaun back. And we're going to learn a lot about Brock Purdy in this game.

Wow. This is going to be a crazy crowd. Outdoors. A really, really good defense. And it's going to be a hard-hitting game. Yeah. If you had to say over-under Niners leaving the field,

being helped off, star players on the team. Now, this is like a game I would be nervous about if I was a Niner game. Like the Debo-McCaffrey-Kiddo. Like this is the type of game

where somebody gets hurt. A couple of them, yeah. I'll say this. October 8th. So that game is October 15th. It is going to rain hard. I'll say this. October 8th, so that game is October 15th. It is going to rain hard on October 15th. That's what I see in this game. A muddy, sloppy game that the

49ers are up 6-0 and lose 7-6. I hope nobody is getting married in Cleveland area on October 15th because I'm telling you it's going to rain. I'm looking up the weather right now. Cleveland weather. Soon. This is the kind of now. Cleveland weather. Monsoon. This is the kind of stuff.

Oh, you fucking called it. Did I really? It's raining from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Rain. Cleveland. Swear on my kids. Great job. Even the ones I don't like, I did not look.

Wow. I kind of like the Browns. That fits my smoke theory. Because this week's going to be all the blown smoke like the Browns. That fits my smoke theory because this week's going to be all the blown smoke about the Browns. 49ers. Oh, the Browns. I'm sorry, the 49ers.

Yeah. About, oh my God, how are they doing it? Can they go 17-0? Brock Purdy. Yeah, well, we just did it. We just did it for 20 minutes. I know. But this is a dangerous spot for them.

Fairly watchable. I have four. Next week is a really good football week. Vikings-Bears in Chicago. It's a fairly watchable. These are two train wreck teams. I'm excited to watch this.

Whoever loses is officially done for the year. And I think the Vikings are going to be favored by two and a half. When you say fairly watchable, do you mean like YouTube TV offers it in one of the four and a bunch of the four block boxes? So you're going to pass by it a few times, but it's fairly wide.

It's fairly watchable because you have fairly watchable. Yeah. It's a fairly watchable game. I get this. I think I said three, it's three and a half. Let's see if it changed. No,

it's still three. That's too high. Well, now it's three. I got it. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, I think. I said three. It's three and a half. Let's see if it changed. No, still three. That's too high. Well, now it's three. I got it exactly. Yeah. Oh, damn it. Are you beating me again? It is four to four.

Texans Saints is in Houston. And this is another one. You could talk me into this being a watchable just because we'll find out about both of these teams after this game whether there's playoff potential for either of them. I have Texans by two and a half. Texans by two and a half? No. I had New Orleans

by one. It's New Orleans by two and a half. That's a mistake. Well, they buried. They're not giving Texans a lot of credit although I don't know Atlanta wasn't even a full three against the Texans can I remind you that last

week I was five points off the Jets Broncos line I was thinking about today you're right I said the Jets should be favored by two and a half and it was Broncos by two and a half and in this one the Texans should be favored by two and a half, and it was Broncos by two and a half. And in this one, the Texans should be favored. Because people are going to think the Saints are good

because of that Pats game, but the Pats immediately, they lost the game. The Saints got to play with the lead. The Pats defense kind of rolled over eventually, and the Saints look better than they are. I think the Texans can beat the Saints. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I like the Texans on a teaser.

I think it's a one-score game. Take them eight and a half. I think the Texans can beat the Saints. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I like the Texans on a teaser. I think it's a one score game. Yeah. Oh, take them eight and a half. I like it. Yeah. Next fairly watchable is Rams Cardinals. I didn't have the heart to put this in the poopfecta because I like watching the Rams. I think the Rams have been really entertaining this year. I'm going to give them some sort of award. They have a great tolerance for

what's fairly watchable. Rams Cardinals. They're a fairly watchable team every week. I have a Vegas zone for this. Rams by four and a half. I said five and a half. It's six. Here we go, Simmons. Here we go.

They're staying undefeated. They're begging you to tease the Rams. Yeah, they are. And I'm not going to do it. I thought you said Dobbs was done. The clock struck midnight. I just said he was bad today. It looked like clock struck midnight.

It's usually when the fairytale goes sideways. The thing I missed on that game that I regret is that that was like a Super Bowl for the Bengals. They kind of had to have that game. That wasn't your typical, oh, we're going to Arizona. We're going to beat them. That was like, our whole season

is on the line and Joe Burrow, we just gave you all this Arizona. We're going to beat them. That was like, our whole season is on the line. And Joe Burrow, we just gave you all this money. Are you going to show up this season or not? There was a lot of shit going on in that game. Last fairly watchable, Eagles-Jets. Zach Wilson is a fairly watchable, is the basement for him. He, betting on Zach Wilson, I made this joke a million dollar picks. I've never tried cocaine, but I imagine it's what cocaine feels like. You're just riding the dragon with Zach for three hours. Man, is it exciting. You just never know what's going to happen. Is it going

to turn the ball over? Is it going to be a fun throw? It's like watching your kid play football. It's really magnificent. I have the Eagles favored by four at the Jets. Oh, wow, Simmons. I said seven for the 5-0 Eagles to beat the Jets, and it's six. So I get that. Come on. Come on. You don't like the Jets that much.

I don't know. It'll be similar to the Rams game, won't it? I mean, I guess one of these weeks the Eagles could let down. The Jets have some good players, man. Yeah. Like, are they going to be able to throw? Yeah, you're right, I guess. Are they going to be 3-3, or are you just liking the cover?

No, they shouldn't. The Eagles should win this game. I should have said higher. You're right. That was a dumb guess Poop Factor three games Raiders Pats in Vegas

is an abomination of a game and I think it says something about this Pats season that I'm gonna go over three with the guess

I'm gonna say Raiders by three and a half over the Pats I said three and it's two and a half so who got I get that oh my god I'm getting fucking half. So who gets... I get that. Oh my god.

I'm getting fucking killed. Oh, whitewash there. Yeah. I have a big miss coming up. How are the Raiders not favored by three? Like, what Boston fans are going to this game? They might actually have, like, a real home field advantage this game. People are like, yeah, I'm flying to Vegas

to see the Pats go one and five. I'm flying to Vegas to boo back Pats go one and five. I'm flying to Vegas to boo Mac Jones. Well, is there any part of, hey, I know our defense stinks. This is Belichick talking. I know I sound just like him. But you got to put Jimmy G down. This is a grudge. This is between me and Jimmy G.

And I don't know what you think of me as a coach. You got to go at his legs. You got to do this for me. Sweep it. Falcons-Washington. This is in Atlanta. And I think the Falcons are favored by three.

Yeah, I said three also. It's two and a half unless it moves. Nope, two and a half. Alright. Did you just win the week? I think I did, buddy. I don't want to say it. Six, seven, eight, nine. Yeah. Yeah, it's over.

I mean, you would- Listen, the Lions might be a one seed and you might win Guess the Lines this season. It's fucking miraculous. Dolphins home for the Panthers. Yeah. Oof.

I thought about going into the 15s with this and I settled on Dolphins by 13 and a half. You get it. I said 13. It's 14. You get that one. Five. Two left.

So you clinched already? Yeah. I don't know why you keep asking. I'm just asking. One, two, three, four, five, six. Do I take my starters out? One, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Do I take my starters out? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. It's 9 to 6 and there's two left, right?

Fine. Sunday night. Can they flex this? They could flex this, right? Get this out of there. Well, Danny Dimes looks like he's out, right? And he might have the same neck injury he had a couple years ago and they shut him down.

Yeah. But then Tyrod Taylor is going to be in. I'm not positive that's much of a difference. Barkley could come back and their whole season's on the line. I have Bills by 12.5. Yeah, I was way off. I said 11. It's 14.5.

That's too high. So the Giants will be one and five and the Bills will be back on track at four and two. And all is good. If you're the Bills, you're flying to London. That's five hours.

Like, how is that worse than going to, like, Seattle? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I didn't think about it that way. Like, oh my God, London hangover. It's a five-hour flight. Right.

Monday night. You're a fucking weirdo team. The Cowboys. In LA. Let's play the Chargers. I'm going to say 75% Cowboy fans. Yeah, that's probably a good number. Chargers by one.

Chargers by one. You asshole. I said Cowboys by three. It's a Cowboys by two and a half. Oh, my God. Chargers by one. It's a home game for Dallas. After a loss.

After a loss. Come on. Just got your. After a loss. Come on. She's got your ass handed to you. Why? Everybody loves the Chargers. I don't like the Chargers. I haven't bet on them. I bet against them almost every week.

They're going to have three fans and five turnovers. They're used to playing on the road in their own stadium. Yeah. That's another reason why Belichick would be fun for them. At least they would be like, oh my God, Bo Belichick's the Chargers coach.

Right. Would you, I mean, would you hire Belichick in any capacity at this point? I don't know. They're so, they've been so badly

coached. Maybe it's done. Let's announce what nephew Kyle told us before the show. Yeah. Kyle, you got to come on. Kyle, will you come on? I know you save your face

for so long, but every once in a while we need you. There he is. He's a handsome kid. Come on. I don't see him. He's putting some pants on. There you go. All right. He's putting a shirt on. you go all right putting a shirt on kyle tell tell the audience what you told us about pat's jerseys uh i'm i'm done wearing

pat's jerseys out in public for this season i can't do it anymore i told sal i'm gonna move to to hats and then that that's not even gonna stay really if this gets i'll buy maybe we'll do socks or something under some jeans but uh the jersey is not happening anymore. So is it like a heckling? What's going on? I'm just embarrassed. I'm embarrassed to be out and about in a Patriots jersey at this point in the season.

It's a lot of games left, so we'll go to hats. A little more understated. And then maybe we'll transition to a sock sock or like a belt buckle or something. Maybe nothing. I don't know. Should we auction off your Pats jerseys for charity? My Jack Jones jerseys? My padded Jack Jones jerseys? Game worn cigarette burns?

What the hell can you get for a Jack Jones? This is a big moment because a lot of people would swear off jerseys 34-0. You're like, all right, I'm done, right? That's it. I'm done with jerseys.

A lot of people would have taken the opportunity to swear them off when they turned 19 years old. That's true. Or when they got married. Something bigger like that. Cool. Cool. Love being out with you guys. I love you, Kyle.

Kyle got the man show poster. Don't get mad, Kyle. Come on. Love being out with you guys. I love you, Kyle. Kyle got the man show poster. Don't get mad, Kyle. Come on. Love being out with you guys. Thanks. Kyle. Our teams suck. It's our teams suck.

Come on. Sal wore his team's jersey. His team went 7-9 for like 15 straight years and he still wore a Cowboys jersey out there all the time. Right.

7-9 would be a dream at this point, but I don't think that's going to happen. Man. Poor Jack Jones. Right. 7-9 would be a dream at this point, but I don't think that's going to happen. Man. Poor Jack Jones. Yeah. I texted you two weeks ago and told you that we had to do the

under for the season on the Pats, which was still 7.5. Yeah, you're right. I don't even think it was two weeks ago, was it? And it was like minus 150 or something like that. And I was like, there's no fucking way in hell they're going 8-9. We should bet on this. I don't care if it's my own team. I bet against them in real life today.

Like, if my team's going to suck, I'm going to bet against them. Yeah. Like, if I know they're hopeless, like, I'm going to do it.

I bet against the 2004 USA basketball team. Mm-hmm. Like, if you're going to have substandards, I'm not betting on you. I mean standards I'm not betting on you I mean I'm not betting on you I have no problem with that I have no problem with throwing jerseys away if you

put your money where your mouth is minus 1500 to not make the playoffs so that's 150 million dollars to win what 35 cents something I don't know do it they don't have the over under I don't think. Do it. What's their...

They don't have the over-unders anymore? I don't think they have them all, but it's probably six and a half still. Well, did you see on Fandle they have last undefeated team? Philly minus 125, San Francisco minus 105. That's a fun bet.

I thought the Eagles had an easier schedule when I looked, but I'm not sure. Here's one that I looked at. The Pats were 10-1 for worst record. Oh. Carolina is plus 280. Cards are plus 390. Bears 5-1.

Giants 7-1. Broncos 9-1. Pats 10-1. And those Pats odds are way off. So what is worst record? Three or four wins this year? I think it's three and 14. Right? I don't think anyone's Three or four wins this year? I think it's three and 14. Right? I don't think anyone's going two and 15 this year.

You don't think you'll win more than two games the rest of the year? They have a hard schedule. Oh, man. I mean, they, I think, play Buffalo twice. They have a bunch of big-ass games left. Wait, let's look at it real quick. You want to go through it? Yeah, because you would torture left. Wait, let's see. Let's look at it real quick. You want to go through it? Yeah, because you would torture me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to see who they're favored against the rest of the year. All right, let's do that. Let's see. Go through their schedule and tell me.

At Raiders. So they're favored in that game, which they shouldn't be. Okay. Home for the Bills. No. At the Dolphins, no. Home for the Commanders, No. At the Dolphins. No. Home for the Commanders.

Probably. Yeah. Right? I guess. Home for the Colts? No, it's in Germany. It's in Germany. Right.

November. They'll be favored. All right. At the Giants. Oh, my God. So that's a possible win. But look at the last six. Oh my God. So that's a possible win. But look at the last six. Chargers at Pittsburgh,

home KC, at Denver, at Buffalo, home Jets. That Denver game in week 16 at Denver, which is on Christmas Eve, Santa might not even come down

the chimney for this. That could decide worst record. Yeah, you're right. I think they need the three wins going into that six-game stretch. for this. That could decide worst record. Yeah, you're right. I think they need the three wins going into that six-game stretch.

You're probably right. Carolina's 0-5 and they're at Miami next week. So they're going to be 0-6 by week. But then they have Houston and Indy at home.

They're at Chicago. They're at Tennessee. They're at Tampa, at New Orleans. They're home Atlanta, home Green Bay. At Jacksonville, home Tampa Bay. They could get to three, four wins. Their defense isn't bad. Detroit made them look bad today.

Which way are we arguing now? I'm trying to think if it's Carolina, Denver, and New England and if Carolina is at three wins and New England and and if Carolina is at like three wins, and New England and Denver are both two and 13 heading into week 16. You probably have to split it a little bit. The 10 to one, you might split.

There might be a couple teams at three wins, right, if you got there. But I didn't even look at that, though. December 24, that really could be Belichick's last game. If they lose to the Broncos and they're as bad as – A Christmas Eve firing? Yeah, that's got to be it. Craft dressed like Santa? Or he just leaves.

They'll never announce he's fired, right? It'll just be that he left. I think Carolina plus 280 is the best bet. But the case against it is they don't have their pick. Oh, right. So Chicago has their pick, so they have no incentive at all to shut things down, trade guys

like so and you don't want to end up with the first pick and then give it away so they're going to be like fighting like hell so that's why I would say Denver and New England would be the best bets the Giants have too much talent to have the worst record I know they've looked like shit but they have some good players yeah and the Bears will have like three games where they do what they did Thursday night. You just don't know like who's going to be quarterback for these teams.

Like you don't know who's going to be your quarterback in five weeks or Denver or the Giants. Yeah, but Denver at least has Stidham.

He's better than anybody we have. Yeah, I guess so. It's like, wait, did you see Zappy? Zappy came in today and just immediately was sailing passes

over a wide open receiver set. You used to love that guy. You adored him. I don't know how many wide open receivers were just openly missed by Pat's quarterbacks today, but it was nine to ten, I would say. Have you done a basketball homework? Not yet. I'm ready Friday.

We have a hockey preview podcast, which I know you won't care about tomorrow. I got to say, hockey could have started a month later for me. It's all early. No, it's going to be a fun year. I like your Bruins. I'm going to surprise everyone. 16-1 to win the cup. Come back?

Under the radar here. Yep. Wow. Not expected. They have a transcendent guy, so they've picked that one up. Yep. All right. Let's do Paracorner. Today's Paracorner is brought to you by Columbia Sportswear,

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parents eager to find out what the schedule. So ideally, if you have two games on a Saturday, right? And it's an hour away and they got to be there an hour before for practice. We like it to be like 11 and one, right? Yeah. Don't have to wake up super early, get there by 10, right? Wor worst case scenario is 8 o'clock. Exactly. Right. That's bad. Another bad one, 4 p.m. and 6 p.m. That's what we got. And we get

that news and it's in Lake Forest. It's 48 miles away and it's 91 freaking degrees at 6 p.m. And so there's two games and then there's more on Sunday. But for Saturday, we get mercy 13 to 2 and my kid makes a really good catch in the infield he ranges to his right and a big deal they lost 13 to 2 and he only had one at bat and he takes a strike and he fouls one off and he gets

some chin music he's knocked off his feet and like all the parents like oh and i say to my wife now it's one and two and i said watch this har Harrison is spooked now. And this kid, this pitcher is smart. Harrison's now like six inches further from the plate, right? Because he's now nervous about getting hit. I said, this pitcher's smart. He's going to put it right on the outside corner. Sure enough, there it is. Called strike three and I'm pissed. And because I'm a dick between games, I say to him, I said, hey, which I think this is reassuring. I said, hey, we didn't drive an hour and 15 minutes to melt in the heat to watch you strike out looking. And he looks at me. That's a nice thing for a father to say, right?

And he says, I swear, he says, did you drive an hour and 15 minutes in the heat to watch me make a great play at shortstop. And I really didn't know what to say. So I turned around, I walked to the concession stand and bought barbecue corn nuts and a Diet Coke. And that was it. And these kids are just too smart. And I didn't drive to see him make a good play at shortstop. Lost 13 to 2. It's funny. The original seats of Parent Corner were me telling stories about how far I had to go to yell at my daughter when she was playing soccer and where the lines were. And now you're reliving it. Basically the same age in baseball. Yeah. And all the advice you learned eventually is like negative feedback is just not helpful.

But when they're that age, you just can't help it. You just want to like banging in their heads like, hey, this was stupid. Here's what you should do instead. And it always backfires. Weren't there terrible, weren't there fathers that were not really like Richard Williams? He was always like, okay, sweetheart, approach the net now.

Weren't there like hardheaded fathers that had successful kids, athletes? I don't know. My daughter. Yeah. My daughter's take now is that I was too over the top early on, but then I became a really good sideline dad. Really? But she said the first couple of years I was like too into it.

And I think she's probably right. And I would get, I'd be like be mad on the way home if she didn't play well and shit like that. Does she, you think she talks to other kids so that she has something to compare it to or she's just basing it on this is how I feel?

I don't know. Probably basing it on whatever. I think you can definitely do way more damage than good as a parent though. That's the thing. Okay. I intend to do that. At least what I've tried to do with Ben in football

is just be positive. Yeah. You can be like, oh man, you fucking whiffed on that tackle in the second quarter you gotta put your head down it's just not gonna go well he's gonna tell me to F off football I feel like I'm having just too much fun watching them you know so I was like alright I don't want to ruin this don't let your coach coach that

baseball's long drives I went back to see my kid oh yeah on uh i was in new york for spotify stuff and then i took the amtrak on thursday which was great i hadn't been on the amtrak in like 10 years little wi-fi i was watching chicago washington um went back to boston and zoe had a game on friday she's been, the season started, she hurt her hamstring and each time it got better, she re-hurt it. And one of the things I was thinking was like, when you, your kid's an athlete and they start getting the injuries you read about and hear about every day, like for us, when we follow sports where it's like, oh, Justin Jefferson,

you pulled a hamstring, like get back out there, Justin. And then you actually see it in real time, how fucking annoying these injuries are, you know, where it's like, she's this hamstring. There's literally no way it gets better than an arrest. So it's like, all right, am I just not going to play sports for four weeks? Or do I try to play and hope I don't re-injure it? Goes out there, gets kneed in the hamstring, setback. Like a week later, she's running, somebody steps on her foot, pulls it again. So it's just sore, but it finally started getting better. And she played on Friday, went to the game. And her roommate, there was this play.

Her roommate goes down the right side. Zoe's in, crosses it. Zoe puts it in. It was a really good goal. It was her first goal. And it was also her roommate. It was a really good goal. It was her first goal. And it was also her roommate. It was really cool. And then she ran back up

and the play was starting again. And she looked over at me to see for my approval. She was like seven. And she looked at me and I gave her the fist pump. And then she gave me the point and the nod. I was like,

this is just like when we was at AYSO. It's so funny. She's like almost 18 and a half, but it was cool. So I got to, got to see her first college goal. So hopefully she can stay healthy. Cause I think. What a difference of two stories that is. I know. Great, great guy. You fly 3000 miles. I'm complaining about driving an hour and 15 minutes. Wow. I got some work to do. It's fun. The college soccer, like everybody's good. It's

just fun to watch. There was this one moment though, in the second half where this girl on the other team, they had to stop the game and she went next to the goal and just started throwing up and threw up for like a minute and then left. But then the puke was right next to the goal. And like the rest of the game, I was like was like oh my god this is going to cause like a puke Ebola virus you just see terrible things at sporting events what was she did she overhear you bragging about the Celtics

or something why was she throwing up I don't know it might have been I was talking about the Porzingis trade and she just went over next to that started her like so anyway do you think with the hamstring like you guys were doing like the cold plunges every week, weren't you? Oh man, we, she's got the Theragun.

She went to like somebody that like, she's been doing everything to try to get back. She's had the worst injury she had was the back injury. That was like, you know, five, six months. And that was like that one you couldn't fuck with and it had to heal. But the high ankle sprain, which I think was like three years ago. And that was one of those, like, I just don't know how that's like a two month injury. It's not a two month injury if you're like Tom Brady and you could do like Alex Guerrero shit on it. But for normal people, like there's just, it doesn't heal. And it's feels like you have like a

concrete boot on. And then Ben had like, he, I mean, Ben's had like you have like a concrete boot on and then ben had like he i mean ben's had like three or four minor injuries but it's kind of changed how i watch football anytime somebody gets hurt like i'm thinking or like when i'm at ben's games i'm just constantly like worried somebody's getting injured versus just watching the game you must have been like that when you were the archie games right yeah it's just totally different you're just stressed out the whole time. Yeah. What does this limp mean? What does that limp mean? What is that?

Yeah. Kid rolls over and he starts banging the field. You're like, oh, man, that must be blah, blah, blah. But yeah, it's just the injuries hit different. And you realize, like, we've been watching football all these years and these people get injured. It's like, yeah, cart them off. Let's go.

Let's get the game going. Right, right, right. Then you're actually like watching where you know the people and it's like the most stressful, awful thing ever. Sorry, man. That's my injury story. It's not good. All right.

It's not good. Also, Kyle came to Ben's game last night and it was homecoming. What jersey was he wearing? He wasn't wearing a Pats jersey. And we got absolutely annihilated. And it was really awful. Oh, really? What's worse than a football blowout in high school where it's like, it's still, the kids are young enough

where you're like, hey, can we just call this? It's like the end of the third quarter. It's like, what do you think, done? But they're obviously not going to do that. But it's not like basketball or something where, oh, garbage time. This will be fun. Cliff can play. Yeah do that. But it's not like basketball or something where, oh, garbage time. This will be fun. Cliff can play.

Yeah. You know, it's football. Like you can't have garbage time. I know. When we, Archie was a senior last year and they were good. They were like eight and two. And my brother-in-law, Melissa's brother,

wanted to fly out and see a game. He's like, I got to see him before he graduates. And he came out and we lost 41 to three. And he was like, I thought you guys were going like, no, no, no. I swear. We're good. Like, look, look, here's the record. I was like, yeah, great. Thanks. Came in from Milwaukee. That's brutal. Not even a diving catch at shortstop. High school football, the momentum can just be one fumbled snap. Yeah. One fumbled kick return. All of a sudden it's like 21, nothing. and it feels like it's like 100-0.

Live betting high school football is the best. Oh, my God. I agree. Yeah. Nothing like that. Yeah, Carrie asked yesterday. She's like, what would the line on this game be?

And I was like, we're probably like seven half-point underdogs. The other team covered in the first quarter. First quarter. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Because that's parent corner.

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Learn more at Columbia.com slash infinity. What do you got to pluck? What do I got? I'm with your and my favorite, Tate Frazier through the ringer, right? Monday night, we'll be reporting after the, what is this dumb game? I can't remember. Oh, Green Bay and Vegas. That's kind of a fun game. I'm excited for that one. It's a good one.

Tic-Tac Zone right there. By the way, our cousin's on the Manning cast, so look for that too. That's going to be good. Cousin Sal's winning weekend on Friday morning, FanDuel TV, 10 a.m. Eastern. And like I said, Against All Odds, three episodes this week because one is a

hockey preview, NHL. Harry on Against All Odds. Three episodes this week because one is a hockey preview, NHL. Harry on Against All Odds lost his bet of the year. His play of the year was the Vikings plus four and a half at the time, and he is very upset. He took his shirt off. He did the Kirk Cousins and Chains thing and everything, and we all saw his cleavage. It was disgusting, and he lost.

Does Harry have action on the WNBA playoffs? He does. The finals. Who does he like? Who won tonight? He had New York. He had the Liberty. Okay. That sounds like they won, probably. It sounds like they did. Liberty and Aces, right? Yeah, the Liberty Aces?

Yeah, who won that one? The Aces won 99-82. Come on. Oh, the Aces? Yeah. Why are they going against football? I actually would have watched that if it was a Monday night. You know, there's talk that the NBA is doing this purposely to crush them. Seriously? That's the talk because this is two years in a row that they've done this. They've held game one of the finals on the Sunday. I mean, that's ridiculous. They're not getting anybody who likes football. No, I'm with you. But also ridiculous is running it against football.

I don't know. That's what I mean. You know what else is a mistake? Going head-to-head against live football games. Nobody should go against football for any reason. Right, I know. Even the baseball playoffs, you're watching it going, oh, guys, I don't know. Maybe you baseball playoffs, you're watching it going, oh, guys.

Right. I don't know. Maybe you could have had both of these at night or something. Play a doubleheader on Tuesday. Who cares?

Right. Monday at noon. Yeah. Sounds good. All right, cuz. As always, good job by you. Not bad job by our

teams, but good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to you, Cousin Sal.

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I'll see you on Tuesday. I don't have a few years with him on the wayside on the front side I never said I don't have a few years with him

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