The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Drunk NFL Season, Week 10 Lines, and Anthony Davis Trades With Cousin Sal and Kevin O’Connor

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Chiefs' overtime win against the Titans, AFC contenders, Colts-Patriots, the Dolphins' victory over the Bears, another Packers loss, Cardinals-Seahawks, the Jets upsetting the Bills, Rams-Buccaneers, cross-off teams, and more (2:10), before guessing the lines for NFL Week 10 (35:17), followed by another edition of Parent Corner (1:00:09). Then, Bill talks with The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor about the possibility of the Lakers' Anthony Davis being traded in-season, which teams have the most to offer, and which teams make the most sense to pursue him (1:09:00). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Cousin Sal and Kevin O'Connor Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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as we head toward Thanksgiving in the end of November. So a little basketball at the end of this one. But first, our friends from Pearl Jam. Alright, taping this. It is almost 9 o'clock Sunday night. Just watched Tennessee almost beat Kansas City.

We found out it's hard to win in the NFL against a good team if you're throwing away the quarterback position, which Tennessee kind of did today. I felt bad for Malik Willis. I felt good for me and Kyle, though, because we finally saw a QB tonight that Mac Jones is better than. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, that was a win. So he's not the 32nd

worst quarterback. Casey got tested. I thought it was a Vrabel master class for game management. And unfortunately, the game was 60 minutes and not 50 because if it's 50, they win. 17-9. They basically just need 50, they win. 17-9. They basically just need like, they needed to get to 20 and they just couldn't get to 20.

But you were texting, when did you text me? It was Titans minus 164 beginning of the fourth quarter? Yeah, something like that. Something like that. Yeah. And then it ended up being Titans 2-1. You could have gotten 2-1 on the Chiefs when the Titans had the ball, 17-9. I don't know. I wish I could have enjoyed this more, except none of my teasers lasted.

They all were crushed, so I didn't have a chance. But, yeah, I think you're right about Vrabel. He was one play away from winning, and if one of the greatest quarterbacks we ever saw threw 65 times instead of 68, they might have won that game. Yeah, it looks like... 43 for 68. What the hell?

Are we ever going to see a game where one quarterback has 43 completions and the other has five? And I also think, I'm reasonably sure no Titans receiver had a catch. Right? All these guys were tight ends. Haskins.

Hilliard. Yeah. I'm so impressed by Vrabel. We come on here. We complain about the coaches all the time. All the dumb shit they do. Times they shouldn't have gone for it when they did. Times they put their team in a position like too much risk.

Whatever it is. We're sitting on our couch going, how do they not have somebody that... their team in a position like too, too, you know, too much risk, whatever it is. And we're just like, we're sitting on our couch going, how do they not have somebody that, and Vrabel just was the, he's the opposite. He, everything he does is like Michael Corleone. He just figures it out. It's like, this game is going to be a 17 to 12, 17, 14 type of game. I'm going to control it. I'm not going to let my quarterback do anything to beat me. Anytime he throws, three-step drop down the sideline. I actually thought Willis made a couple good throws. His receivers

just couldn't catch. He only made two throws. Which ones are you talking about? We had a couple down the sideline. It was okay. Whatever. What are we going to sing songs about Malik Willis? He was 5 for 16. It was 4th and 21. I was like, this is more than a quarter of the yards he's had in the game. How is he ever going to sing songs about Malik Willis? He had five for 16. It was bad. I mean, it was fourth and 21.

I was like, this is more than a quarter of the yards he's had in the game. How is he ever going to complete this? But, yeah, Vrabel did great except for controlling the clock. And, you know, we could go crazy about Derrick Henry. And he had a good game, 17 for 115. But he didn't have 34 carries. I was like, oh, it's unfair that one team has Patrick Mahomes. But it's also unfair that the other has Derrick Henry.

But 17 carries, which means I'm looking at the time possession, 41-26. That's what killed them. I have a theory for the 17 carries. At some point during this game, the Chiefs had nine guys in the box. Yeah. No, I'm just saying they didn't have a lot of plays, Tennessee. They had 29 rushes and 16 passes. They had 45 plays. Not a lot for an overtime game. Because I was trying to think, watching them, what is this team going to look like in December and January and the third and eighths when you're double-teaming Kelsey? Who does he go to?

And it does feel like he's developing something with Schuster. They had a couple drops too, but in general, Schuster's becoming that kind of physical possession receiver that I think we were hoping he would be for them. You know what? And he is, and that's why Chris Collinsworth really, really should try to figure out how to say his name. I mean,

he was over a trying to pronounce pass rush, which has always come, always comes out. Pass rush. Pass rush of the title. Yeah. Something out there for sacks. It could have been nine,

but now he's doing it with Smith Schuster's name. He's calling him Smith. I can't even say it. Uh, Junior Schuster. it with Smith Schuster's name. He's calling him Smith Schmooch. I can't even say it. Oh, Junior Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch.

Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch. Schmooch.

It's like, man, what happened? What happened to his English teacher in fourth grade? Unbelievable. Collins Earth is having a great time today. And I kept waiting for him to forget that he is with, not without,

and he is with Tirico because he was doing this. Oh, Patrick. Oh, oh, Patrick Mahomes, oh, Mike, oh my God. And I just thought he was going to slip one of those times. It was a good, for Mahomes who only scored 20 points,

it was a weirdly impressive Mahomes game. Oh, yeah, like four really dazzling plays, right? Where we just sidestepped the guy who just wanted to kill him and complete it. I mean, that one, Kelsey wasn't even in that play on third and one where he rolled right towards the end and, uh, and just hit, like, it was almost, uh, uh, uh, David Tyree. Sorry to bring that up. Catch right there. You know, I have to side second. I'm sorry. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. That hurt. Um, had some drops to my, Mahomes. But same thing with them, right? Look at the rushing. 19 for

77. He leads the team 6 for 63. Edwards-Hilaire is 4 for 5. Pacheco is 5 for 5. McKinnon's 3 for 3. 3 carries 4 yards. So, you know, they made a lot of hay about how it was a different

kind of team. We're going to be more balanced. And they played a real playoff team today. It's hard to say that it's hard to kind of understand how the Titans are real playoff team without a quarterback or receivers, but I do feel like they are, and I wouldn't want to see them in January until Tannehill comes back. They'll get Berks. We'll at some point be back.

I'm guessing. And maybe they could patch something together. I was thinking though, I wonder if they would do a do-over on that A.J. Brown trade. You know,

I wonder if maybe they didn't realize that they were going to be as good as they are because the thing they're actually missing is somebody like A.J. Brown, right?

They're hoping they didn't pay him. He goes to the Eagles, signs a big contract. They get a pickback. They take Burks. Kind of hoping Burks will be A.J. Brown. They definitely expected more out of Burks. They expected more out of who they

get from the Rams. Woods, right? Robert Woods. Yeah, but he's had some injuries. But yeah, it's not going to matter because I think they're 5-3. And they clinched with a loss. And they've clinched the AFC South.

Yeah, they're somehow 10 games up in the AFC South. So we have for the AFC right now, we have Buffalo. We'll talk about them in one second. And KC at 6-2. We have Baltimore and Tennessee in the other division champ spots right now at 5-3. Then we have Jets 6-3, Miami 6-3, and the Chargers 5-3.

And Cincinnati, New England are 5-4. But the Chargers sneaking out that Falcons win I think puts them... It almost feels like we might know who the playoff teams are. I'm still not sold on the Jets, but they were so impressive today. I feel like they're at least out of the Pats.

Are you counting your team out? Because it's Jets, Pats, and Chargers for the seventh seed. And any given week, one of them could look terrible or good. I'm counting my team out. No, you're crazy. You're a half game behind the Jets. When you beat it, wait, didn't you beat him? You beat him. No, you're crazy. You're a half game behind the Jets. Wait, didn't you beat him? You beat him. No, you lost him. I'm guessing

you didn't have the pats on any of your TVs today. No, I did. It's fine. You won 26-3. Is this going to be one of those things? Come on. No. The Colts are atrocious. Mack, I don't know what happened to him. I have no answers. I really

believed in Mack last year. I thought he brought. I really believed in Matt Glashner. I thought, you know, he brought some real things to the table. He had poise, got rid of the ball fast, great decisions. Like he would go through his reads. He could move around in the pocket. He wasn't like, you know, Mahomes, but he could navigate the pocket a little. He's a zero tool quarterback right now. He can't do anything well. He's no touch.

He missed wide open guys at least three times in the game today. Like wide open on big plays. Um, he's not going through his reads and he's not moving around. I don't know. I look at his numbers. I feel like I do this with you every week when your team wins and you're down on your quarterback and I'm looking at him and he was 20 on 30.

Well, 20 for 31, 47, no turnovers, one touchdown. And missed three wide open guys and they dropped two picks. This is him telling you. This is the 2022 quarterbacks. Sal, he is a bottom five quarterback right now. I don't know if I'm going to stay that way, but from performance,

he is one of the worst five quarterbacks I watch every week. Wow. And they go either way to protect him and not put him... Kyle knows. Look, Kyle, chime in. Kyle, can you defend Mac Jones anymore? Kyle? No comment. No comment. Yeah, Kyle's not going to comment.

He wants Mac Jones to be sure of me. He agrees with me. That's why. It's bad and it hasn't mattered because this week they completely lucked out with the Colts because they're playing Ellinger. He can't do anything. They can't block. They had nine sacks.

The defense is good, but I just don't see a path unless they can figure out how to get this quarterback. I don't know, man. I look at these guys. I look at Zach Wilson had 154 yards. He's another bad one. And Jared Goff had 137 in a win. And it just

doesn't matter anymore. It just doesn't matter. We're throwing away the quarterback position. Yeah, that's it. Justin Fields who we had as fifth, definitive fifth overall in that draft class has shot to number one with a bullet. No question he was the best in that

two year draft. Hold on. Fields has been incredible the last couple weeks. Yeah. Like, incredible. I thought he was so good in that Miami game. Yeah. I'm trying to think, has there been a better athlete in space

at the quarterback position? I guess, like, Lamar is in there. Josh Allen's in there. But he just looks like he's, you wouldn't know he was a quarterback. He actually looks like a running back when he's running, when he actually has space to move around. Yeah. He's like, I can, all right, I can go for the 45 yard pass or I can run for 35. I'm like, all right, I guess I better take off here. It'll go from standing still to just like varying speeds. It's unbelievable to watch.

But it's happened over the last month, right? Mike Frazier? Yeah, it started that Thursday night game. That Thursday night game when they should have won and Mooney bobbled the catch before, but he drove them down on that drive and it was like something unlocked. He was awesome in the Pats game and he's been good every week.

Yeah, I think he's figured out that balance of when to use his legs, kind of when to calm down, when to see the field and he certainly wasn't the reason they lost today. They were in that game. They're a lot of fun. I mean, the Dolphins are good too. They're going to make the playoffs. They're one of those teams, I

would think, without any more injuries. But look, the Packers are the least exciting team in that NFC North, right? I'd rather watch the Lions, the Vikingsers are the least exciting team in that NFC North, right? I'd rather watch the Lions, the Vikings, or the Bears any day. Yeah, I love the Bears. You have the look on your face today. I could tell when something bad happened

that you had the Bills money line tied to like 20 of your bets. Who do you think you are? Don't you call me out like that. Is that fair? Let me tell you something. It's worse than that because I had that. We talked Friday about the teaser and you didn't do so great either. A million-dollar picture would be suspended forever with that

Panthers. That was awful. I had Panthers in Seattle. I split. There's only two bets to make. Panthers and Seattle. I was like, Panthers? That's 50% right. Schrager said the Bills aren't losing. You got to cancel that podcast for. Schrager. Schrager said the bills aren't losing. You got to cancel that podcast for a while. He said they weren't losing the rest of the year.

But anyway, no, no, not only did I have the bills on every teaser, I chased. I chased and I chased it with the Cardinals plus seven and a half plus seven and a half adjusted for God's sakes with that team. We could talk about whoever you want. I just lost all my Astros winning. That's all. I just can't get ahead. You and Mattress Mac.

What's his name? Mattress Mac. Yeah. His first name is Mattress. How is Mattress Mac not in the desert 30 miles in with seven bullets in him? I can't believe they let... I thought all the big bad Vegas, nobody could beat Vegas for that much money. Magic's back, just walk away.

You're right. You're like Collinsworth struggling to say his name. Mash, mash, mash. I can't. I tried to play it very carefully this week and still somehow lost a little bit. I was like, I'm not going to do Green Bay or New England. I'm not doing either of them in a money line. And then finally, last second, I was like, ah, Green going to do Green Bay or New England. I'm not doing either of them in a money line.

And then finally, last second, I was like, ah, Green Bay's looking a little enticing. It's that 30-second Detroit defense. Then I had them in a parlay with Tampa, money parlay. And Rodgers got to, what, inside the 10-yard line three times, just throwing picks. All of a sudden, he's turned into i don't know he it's weird because it's not like when farve got bad and when manny and they were like at least big guys rogers now he's turned into josh rosen i don't understand it oh yeah right yeah yeah i uh maybe even josh gardner our friend who uh whatever it's our near to joshner. No, that one pass, when you start saying to yourself,

oh, I could have made that pass. He should have lofted it, just lofted to the fat lineman, and it won't get picked. He'll get to the corner of the end zone at some point. That was a bad throw. He is thumbed, definitely. You could see his release was different, but just in general, what are we watching with some of these games?

You and I could walk out of our houses at 3 in the afternoon, and why is the moon in the sky? That's what I feel like what's going on. Even Josh Allen's picks were awful. Aaron Rodgers was awful. Things you take for granted, you're seeing things like you never seen before. Josh Allen's interceptions

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in my notes, so long Rodgers. Hmm. He's in the first year of a three-year $150 million deal. He's seven to nine in the playoffs since 2010. He's 38 years old. He is threatening to join the group of one Super Bowl quarterback stars, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre. Manning should have been in there, but he got that bogus second one on that when he could barely throw. When he had the noodle arm in Denver 1, even though he barely did anything.

Guy's kind of my boss. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make fun of Manning. But I was wondering, is this starting to look like Kobe's last Lakers deal? Remember when Kobe got that last big money deal, but he wasn't really Kobe anymore. And it's just like, it killed their cap, but it was like kind of ceremonial.

Laker fans were cool with it. Cause they love Kobe. They weren't going anywhere. Anyway, that might be this Packers team. It might just be the Kobe Lakers deal for them. Yeah. But what were they going to do?

The whole town would have gone nuts if they had. Well, he was unhappy. I just wonder how bad that really got with the Jordan Love thing. Because I don't think that guy is going to be any good either, right? Yeah. But is he going to be? I don't know. All he has to do is score more than nine points today to be better than Aaron Rodgers.

So when do we see him? What's the over-under for Jordan Love? Two and a half weeks? We're not sure he's good though, right? Well, that's how we're going to be sure. I don't know if he has it. If they're four and eight, we'll go over the lines and stuff.

But it's amazing. Even Vegas is adjusted to them. If they had done a better version of the Wilson deal, and let's remember, Seattle jumped the gun on them, right? Denver hires Hackett thinking Rogers is probably the one they're going to trade for. And then Seattle gets aggressive and Green Bay's kind of lollygagging a little bit. And Denver's like, all right, fine.

And get Russell Wilson. But Green Bay, I think, would have gotten an even better thing. That Russell Wilson deal was transformative for the Seahawks, especially because

they stumble into 32-year-old Geno Smith. But you watch the Seahawks today, the Seahawks, you know, I'm a believer. They've saved my ass four weeks in a row on Sunday,

where if I didn't have them, I would have gotten crushed in bets. And each week they come through, they're flying around the ball. I know it's a little, you had the Arizona plus seven. I forget it. Terrible. But, um, but if Green Bay had done their version of that trade with that pick six, Gino threw a pick six. He thought, all right, Cardinals should hang on.

It's kind of a must win at home. And, uh, they gutted their way back. They really did. I, you're not even gonna believe this, but I had so much on the Cardinal. I had them adjusted line. I didn't expect them to win at home. And, uh, they gutted their way back. They really did. I, you're not even gonna believe this, but I had so much on the Cardinal. I had them adjusted line. I didn't expect them to win,

whatever. A plus seven half. I had them parlayed with Republicans to win the house and Senate. I went all, I'm all over the Cardinals. And now I don't. Oh, wow.

When you start mixing politics and football with your, with your parlays, it's a story tradition of terrible losses. Yeah. Yeah. the worst. Yeah, but with the Packers, had they gotten whatever their version of the Wilson deal is,

it seems like they have a lot of talent. Now it feels like they have the bad juju. Like that Lions game, that was one of the five weirdest losses of the year. They dominated the game. Yeah, right. And it was just Rodgers made a couple of dumb plays. You mentioned the Seattle, Arizona.

So that Geno play was weirdly important. Like if that team ends up winning the NFC West, I think that was the pivotal moment of the season for them. The pick six. And it's like, oh, the clock has struck midnight on Cinderella

Geno. Here we go. And they just put their heads down and they went down and they, they just shook it off, dominated the game. And I thought really handled the cards. That game wasn't even as close as the score. It's the pick six. Really?

I should have had 17 and a half. Yeah, no, I know. I bet, but they have a running back that no one could tackle all of a sudden. Like now he just, uh,

I don't know. I don't think he has legs. He's moving down the field, but he's just a bowling ball running over guys. I don't know. And some big third down plays, that touchdown, the pass. He's decent. He's good, Lockett. I tweeted it's going to be

Lockett-Willis, and we're just going to have to get used to that Super Bowl. I wouldn't be... I got to say, I wouldn't be completely stunned if Seattle made the Super Bowl. I wouldn't be... I gotta say, I wouldn't be completely stunned if Seattle made the Super Bowl. I think we reached that point today. Yeah, like they're at least... I don't know if they're

in the inner circle of contenders, but they're at least in the fringe. You kind of glossed over how bad Arizona was in that game. Where they have like 11 penalties. Yeah. All kinds of dumb shit

happens with them. Like false starts at the worst time. You know, the illegal motion. Robbie Anderson not being said on a crucial, you know, third and five. The fumble. More fumbling. First of all, he pounded it to Moore.

He kept throwing it to him. I think he had like four looks in a row to the Rondell Moore. And that fumble where you barely made a football move nine times out of ten. They'll call that incomplete. It was a fumble. He had dumb moves all along. People were talking about Kingsbury getting fired, but I've given up on it. He has that glazed look on his face. I think I've made this

joke before, but it's that Dirk Diggler in the cocaine house when the camera closes in on him and he's just glazed. They cut to him a couple times and I don't even... He might have been holding his play sheet or it might have been like a, I don't know, a diner menu. I'm not positive. Yeah, it might have been a glare

on that play sheet. That ridiculous play sheet. He's just kind of glaring ahead with deer in the headlights. Yeah. I have some alternate universe stuff for you. on that play sheet. That ridiculous play sheet. He's just kind of glaring ahead with like deer in the headlights. Yeah. I have some alternate universe stuff for you. So, if Rodgers had been traded,

I'm trying to think four fun things that could have happened that would have, because this season, I think we can all agree, has not been like that fun of a season so far, right? No, I don't like it. It's been all over the map.

Teasers don't win anymore. Parleys don't win. Yeah, checking account. No, it has not been fun. Roger's getting traded to San Francisco makes the season more fun, I think. Oh, yeah. I think if Brady just never leaves New England

and him and Belichick, maybe him and Giselle get divorced four years earlier and she doesn't make a move to Florida. Did I say that out loud? Of course you like that. Of course you like that. And Brady just stays and it's like, it's just going for a quarter century

of Brady and Belichick. That's more fun. McVay just skipping this Ram season and going to Amazon is better for all of us. But the number one thing for me is if the Jets drafted Fields instead of Zach Wilson, that Jets team would have been the most fun team. Oh, yeah.

Right? You just put all the stuff he does with this Jets team, that would have been it. They would have been, I don't know, they would have been threatening to take over New York. I'm with you. Isn't it weird? It's not like Chicago is a small city, but

it should be a bigger deal. Maybe because they got off to such a bad start. With the other guys they have, their defense is probably a top five defense now, right? Really good. The opposite corner is always good. Everybody is stepping up

and it's hard to go down the field. They did an 11-point lead, Buffalo. What the hell? Can we have the conversation really quick? What is it? What is the deal with Allen in these close games? There's like two Allens, right? Allen's at his best when they're up like

14 he just looks like completely unstoppable force of nature these tight games I don't know like I gotta say watching I didn't feel like he was gonna come through did you I actually didn't think he was gonna come through I thought it was a coin toss what that last drive or the drive before

yeah either way like in the fourth quarter I was like I don't think he has it. No. I know. I thought from that first drive when he got intercepted down by the goal line, that was bad. I was like, oh, man. You can't give the Jets too much of this. Do we have to? Does it pay to even look at the

division or are we all spinning our wheels? We know Buffalo's going to get there eventually, but Miami plus 550? They're damn good. The Jets 20 to 1. All right. Well, whatever. It's going to get there eventually, but Miami plus 550? They're damn good. The Jets 20-1. All right. Well, whatever. I mean, it's going to be tough to see a path

where they don't compete. I can't see it with Zach Wilson. And your Patriots 24-1. I mean, maybe Miami's working for a minute. It's not going to be my team. Unless Mac, they can get him to a sports psychologist. Miami... So Tua, again, had good stats, but he still

has those three throws a game where either somebody drops the pick or he misses somebody wide open. I don't know. I don't trust him yet for some reason. I don't understand why people aren't sending the house and just trying to really be physical with him.

He's, you know, not to beat McCarver, but he had two concussions already this season. I'd be sending the house and really trying to get, you know, get him a little bit rattled. It just seemed like

he was way too comfortable today. I agree, but I just, everything seems to be going their way. First of all, they'll score in the 30s every game, right?

So if he throws a couple interceptions or close interceptions and it just, everything, really Bradley Chubb for really nothing. The 49ers give them whatever running back they want from them. I know Wilson's their best running back. Yeah.

So, plus 550. I don't know. I'm going to stare at that for a while. I know. I mean, he had good stats today. It was 21 for 30, three touchdowns, no picks. But it does feel like his picks have, it's almost like Gaylord Perry's Vaseline on it.

People don't hold onto his stuff. Fields had 123 yards passing and 178 yards rushing, which is a positive I've never seen before. When Claypool gets going for them, that's going to be an interesting team. I was going to do cross-offs with you, and I could only come up with seven, but Chicago is definitely not a cross-off team to me.

No. Even though I think we crossed them off after week three. Well, we've uncrossed them. I have Houston, Pittsburgh, Indy. Even though Indy's 3-5-1, I just think that team's done. And by the way, they should be 0-8.

You could say Carolina if you want. Yeah, I'm going to put Carolina on there. I'm officially giving up. I tried to make it happen. I'm putting Arizona on there. I think they suck. Putting the Lions on there. And then I think the surprise one for me is Vegas.

So bad. I had them again too. They're another one. I had plus seven and a half adjusted. Well, I'm the worst with this crap. 17 nothing lead. Come on. Yeah, I think I think the jury might not be out of McDaniels as a head coach anymore.

I mean, even your boy Damian Lillard tweeted. What do you say if Crosby Tay and Waller get TF out of Vegas I wouldn't be mad at him this is bad well Waller has he even played this year every

fantasy league I'm in people drop them or just whatever yeah I have things like sure seems like it feels like the Rams are dead for this season at least that was awful that Tampa loss like when it's under a minute left there's no

timeouts and you're just giving up 13 yard outs out of bounds all the way down the field I just don't understand it yeah that was really bad 50 seconds left yeah and Brady was under siege the whole game. Like, he had no time to throw.

And then all of a sudden, you just let him kind of hang back and throw eight yard out. That game sucked. It was like three minutes into the fourth quarter and there were like 14 punts and nobody was throwing and nobody could throw it.

You know, Brady with the three yard passes and, you know, there were a lot of drops. I'll give him that. There were a bunch of drops. Such a big game. CBS grabs that game from Fox. They clear out the rest of the schedule. It was such a dud until the last

50 seconds, like you said. They might not be good. Legitimately not good. I think we got next week they're playing Seattle and Germany. We haven't done Guess the Lines yet, but I think that's a pretty dangerous spot for them. That's a fun one.

That's worth waking up for, though, if Seattle could beat them. The Rams, on the other hand, shouldn't this happen to a team like this who goes all in every year? Shouldn't this happen to their salary cap and everything else? I like McVay, and I like these guys, but they can't score. How many times have we said it?

Cooper Cup is that entire offense. Van Jefferson cries about not getting reps last week. Dropped some big balls. You know, Al Robinson never stepped up. Can't run the ball. Can't run the ball is like an understatement. Like this is a team when they just need one first down. You just feel like there's the other.

It was one first down. The game's over, and they can't run the ball more than two yards a pop. I felt bad for Romo. Romo was doing Romo whippets a couple times. He's like, okay, Jim! But it's like, no, come on, Tony. You know this game's not that good.

It's like, oh, Brady! McVay! Stafford! And it's just, it was bad. It was like karaoke of a Brady-Staff Stafford game he did it with like a minute and 20 left and he's like oh this is Tom Brady at his finest it's at his finest like any

other team they're not in this game Tony don't worry we're all watching there's a minute 20 left we're gonna be watching we're not gonna turn it Tony there's only two late games we have nothing else to watch this and Lakers yeah you stole all the games the my only other thing I had was that games. We have nothing else to watch. This and Lakers. Yeah, you stole all the games.

The only other thing I had was that it really does feel like teasers are now dead. Whether they come back, I don't know. Yeah. They won last week, right? Philly. Who else? Buffalo. I don't know who it was, but we had

three teams last week. It was good. If they just would have handed us the bills today, we would have been in the driver's seat again. But no, I think you're right. There's nothing good this week anyway for a teaser.

Sharp milled me in-house a teaser stat. I think he said the faves of 7.5 to 8.5 teased down to 1.5 and 2.5 are 4, 7, and 1 in teasers. Now, he nailed that before today's game. Right. And the dogs getting teased up from 1.5, 2.5 weren't great either.

Oh, I know that. Yep. As you know. Yep. But the three-teamers feel like they're losing too because we've had, how many double-digit dogs have just won out right now? It feels like we've had one almost every week.

Yeah, well, if you bet Green Bay every week or Tampa, all their lines are right in that 8, 9, 10 range. Are you going to be on the podcast? I feel like you're going to disappear tomorrow. What do you mean? I can just tell by the look on your face that today was bad. I just wanted to hold on to my Astros money, and I lost it all.

A 10-1 on the Astros, and it all went away. This damn Bills team. And the Cardinals. I certainly can't give anyone shit on gambling, but why the fuck would you bet on the Cardinals? I just thought it was a kitchen sink game, wasn't it? I got to tell you, do you feel burnt out a little bit? Their kitchen's been blown up.

Do you feel a little burnt out by these teams who just let you down all the time? I'm feeling a little. Usually, this hits me like Thanksgiving, but then I get a few meals in me, that Thanksgiving weekend. I'm like, all right, I'm re-energized for December. I just don't, you can't trust.

Who do you trust? Who the hell do you trust, Simmons? Well, it's probably our fault, not the team's, but like the Bengals are a good example. I stayed away from Bengals Browns on Monday night, but I watched it and, you know, you think, all right, without Jamar Chase, they'll probably try to run the ball and establish some possession no they just did whatever they always do but they didn't have Jamar Chase

they get blown out then the game today against Carolina it's like you know what we're gonna do we're gonna establish the run with Joe Mixon it's like oh guess what this works and we're just having long drives it's like why didn't you do that on Monday night, you morons? Joe Mixon was there on Monday night.

You didn't give him the ball. Why are you giving it to him today? It's like it took an extra week to realize that they should hand the ball off to Joe Mixon. Well, and especially with that offensive line who could give up anywhere from two to 11 sacks a game, right? And so if you find out early on that you're not going to be able to protect Joe Burrow, Zach Taylor, make another plan there. These teams. And then, you know, the Miami coach today, who, granted

has crafted an awesome offense, but the game management, he turned the ball over on downs twice in a row in the fourth quarter. Can I tell you, I don't even think it matters. Just grab some points, dude. I don't think, honestly, Tyreek Hill's on his way to 2,000 yards. That's phenomenal.

You know how many mistakes you can make if you have a receiver that's close to 2,000 yards? I'd love to know if the Chiefs have any pangs of regret about that one. Right? Because you trade Tyreek Hill and there's all these different reasons and you can use the money somewhere else.

You get Juju. Juju has been good. Like on paper, all of it works except for the part where Tyreek Hill is going to have one of the greatest receiving years in the history of the position and maybe even the best. It's not like, and it's like every week it's like,

Oh, Tyreek had 180 yards again or 150 or he did that or Miami one. And, um, like I had one of the guys, the announcers today was taught comparing them to the 99 Rams greatest show on turf. I was like,

Whoa, no down. But I mean, maybe not settle down. Like Tyreek kills it down. Imagine like if you get a guy who could get a, you know, regularly gets 40 yard receptions,

that's four first downs. That's so huge. If you hate your quarterback, how great would it be to get four first downs? You need like six minutes for most of these quarterbacks to get there. I just want to say I like my quarterback. I don't understand why he's been

completely incompetent all season. I don't get it. He was good last year. He should be better this year, not worse. Alright, let's take a break. We'll do Guess the Lines. Alright, Guess the Lines, week 10. We're

pretty much at the halfway point of the season. Yep. I don't know. I'm usually sad about that, but you're up 5-2-2, by the way. Five wins, two losses, two ties. That's about all I'm up on. Thursday night, the Panthers, the team that has single-handedly dented my wallet

and dented my million-dollar picks balance. It was so bad that my guy, PJ Walker, who was good two weeks in a row, was so awful today that they benched him for Baker Mayfield, who we all assumed we were never going to see again in an NFL game. Baker Mayfield came in and played really well in the second half, but now he might start in the Thursday night game. PJ, what happened to you, buddy? This game's in Carolina. I think Carolina is...

I don't know what you do if you're them because you're not that far away from maybe getting the number one pick in the draft now. Right. You're a game behind Houston. You're going nowhere anyway. I have the Falcons favored. I thought the Falcons played pretty well today

in that Chargers game. And Herbert just, he had no receivers. He just kind of patched it together and made a couple of plays with Eckler. And all of a sudden they're winning by three with some field goal kicker. It just seemed like a classic. Oh, this random Chargers kicker is going to,

yeah. Jeremy Dicker. Dicker. If your last name is Dicker, you have to become a kicker, right? And then, because then you're Dicker the kicker and that's an

okay nickname. Otherwise, everyone else is going to make fun of your name. Like Dicker the custodian doesn't work. You must be a kicker. That's a great point, Seth. That's why you're here. Great point. Thank you. Because it softens the blow of having the last name Dicker. Right. But yeah, normally

the Chargers guy comes in. He hits the upright. Oh my God, we're going to... And then they lose guy comes in. He hits the upright. Oh my God, we're going to... And then they lose the no-take. He actually made it. I was surprised. I have the Falcons favored by two in Carolina. That's what I had.

It is two and a half. That's fair. That'll be free by game time. Yeah. Boy, Al Michaels must be... He's got to fire his agent because they definitely hid the schedule from him before making him sign that deal at Amazon. They hid the schedule and the fact that Kirk had never seen an NFL game before this year. They hid those two things.

I can't even hear him sometimes, Kirk Herbstreit. Maybe it's better. I can't even...ibly I think he's like thinks he's talking off camera or something my favorite thing out of all the football TV things this year my favorite thing is when they go to Maria Taylor

Tony Dungy and Jason Garrett right before the first half and they have like eight seconds to talk about what's coming up and it goes to them

and Maria Taylor has this crazy smile on her face and she's and she just looks at Tony Dungy and he spouts out some quick sentence, you know, like the charges are charged up. And then she looks over at Jason Garrett and he's like,

and Dallas is hot again. And then she goes back and that's all halftime, Mike. But it's like this, it's like an SNL sketch. I don't know why. How are we still bad at studio TV? Thank God. Thank God. I'm missing those. I don't know why. How are we still bad at studio TV? Thank God.

Thank God I'm missing those. I don't see those. Is that real? That's right before the game or right before the half? No, right before halftime. Oh, I see. They throw to them. Yeah, yeah.

And it's, I guess, supposed to get us fired up for halftime. I don't understand a lot. Should get them fired, not up. But yeah, enough. Enough, Jason Garrett. Yeah, he's... Just get off my TV screens. not up, but yeah, enough, enough Jason Garrett. Yeah. He's just get off my TV screens. I don't need you to clap it on the sideline.

I'm sure we needed him. Yeah. I felt like I was with Chris Sims. We were kind of covered. Yeah. Um, I have this next category. It's a new category.

We used to go to the Sunday marquee game after Thursday. I have this one. They're sauerkraut. We have a Munich, Germany game. Buck Seahawks. A good game. Yeah. I had this as a pick'em.

Wait a minute. Yeah, you're going to get this. I said minus two for Tampa Bay, which is stupid. It's minus one. You're close, right? So we split. No, we split it. I have a pick'em. You had minus two for Tampa Bay, which is stupid. It's minus one. You're close, right? So we split. No, we split it. I have a pick-em,

you had minus two. And it's minus one, which is right between the two of us. It is? Right? Yeah. No, I'm at zero,

you're at two, and the line was one. Yeah, you're closer. Zero's close. Oh, okay. God, I'm out of it. What time is it? All right.

We're even. Yeah. Thank you. Tied that. I love I'm out of it. What time is it? All right. Yeah, thank you. Tied that. I love the Seahawks. But the thing with these Germany-London games is they just have no idea. One team

flew. Maybe the plane got delayed two hours. They landed. They're chatted. He's got to bring home a German model, right? He's got it. Brady? That's the move. Of course. I'm going to look up the top German models. He has some darker

hair color now that I was alarmed by. Yeah, I saw that. What did you see that in the press conference? In the press conference, yeah. He came in and all of a sudden, he's looking like Jerry Glanville. I don't understand it. It's growing hair and it's darker. It's like, who's this Elvis impersonator? Get him out of there. That's what it is. The Sunday marquee game, I think your team's dark. It's like, who's this Elvis impersonator? Get him out of there.

It's what it is. The Sunday marquee game, I think your team's involved. Dallas at Green Bay. Packers on a five-game tailspin. Your team coming off a bye. And I think you're favored in Lambeau Field. And I think the line is going to be Dallas by two and a half. All right.

I said three and a half. That's how much confidence I have. This is a stunning yet probably accurate line. Four and a half. The Cowboys are favored in Lambeau Field by four and a half. So they've just... Vegas is officially... They're done with the Packers

that's it they're done done yep because he's good for two interceptions a game now and this is

this Dallas defense is coming off a bye I think that's the only way to analyze this now I know shit could happen but makes sense

why the line is what it is I don't know why it's been so I don't really have anything against Rogers I think he's definitely been annoying the last couple years but it's been so I don't really have anything against Rodgers I think he's definitely been annoying the last couple years but it's been really fun to watch

him have a bad season and I'm not normally like that but it's watching him from afar has just been kind of captivating and it feels like he's blaming the other receivers but he doesn't want to say it him and Brady have reacted two different ways Brady's just kind of captivating. And I can't, it feels like he's blaming the other receivers, but he doesn't want to say it.

And I don't know him and Brady have reacted to different ways. Like Brady's just kind of seems dumbfounded by the incompetence of everyone around him, but he's not angry about it. Just more confused. Yeah. Whereas Roger seems, I don't,

there's a vibe to him. I can't describe, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I do, but I did feel bad for him, but I know he's calling out his receivers and he's like, I'm going to? Yeah, I do, but I did feel bad for him. I know he's calling out his receivers. The first

few weeks I did, I was like, oh, these guys suck. They really did not help him out. He's kind of keeping it together. But today, I didn't. Maybe that thumb was just bad. Maybe he just shouldn't have played today. Well, now, at least on Fando, they're 20-1 to win the division.

To make the playoffs? No, to win the division. To make the playoffs? No, to win the division. And Minnesota is minus 2,200 to win the division. That's astounding. That's crazy. I mean, out of all those teams, I'd probably like the Bears at 70-1 the most. Yeah.

Not bad. But the Vikings can't lose a one-score game. Shirtless on airplanes. Kirk Cousins. The AFC South odds have changed week by week. Like they're volatile. Like Jacksonville is plus four 20. Again, Jacksonville has been nine to one.

They've been dead. Even they're all over the map. Tennessee is minus two 90. The, uh, in the AFCs, the bills are down to minus four 70, as you said.

So that one has been where, where did they peak at? They were like minus 1,500 at some point. Yeah, they were up there. Something like that? Maybe minus 2,000, yeah, I think. And then Ravens-Bengals. The Tennessee proved that they could be in any game with almost no one at quarterback.

No, they're good. Unfortunately, the quarterback position does better Ravens Bengals that right now is minus 320 plus 350 but that one's been pretty volatile too Casey feels like they're they're basically six to one favorites they've locked that up that's fair your team at plus 440 is fun I keep saying that but I look at the Eagles schedule they really might not lose till like the second week in December. The Packers were supposed to be a tough game on their schedule. So if the Cowboys are

giving four and a half on the road, what are they going to play? The one that is shocking to me is Seattle not being favored to win the NFC West, or at least having similar odds to the Niners. Niners, at least I'm fed to those minus 130. And Seattle's plus 145.

But Seattle's playing really well. Yeah, I think they play Christmas Eve. That's going to be a great game. I think they play a night game. Again, that's going to be one of the games of the year right there. Yeah. No, December 15th is a night game. Fun one.

I have two watchables. I have Bills at home against the Vikings. Mm-hmm. And I think that's Bills by seven. Wow. That's my guess. You got it. I said five. It's seven and a half. So three weeks ago, that's Bills by nine and a half? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. I'd so. Yeah. I'd be very surprised if they lose. They both took a little dent here. Yeah, but they can't lose this. Get sharp on the phone about this teaser because we're doing this. We're taking this down to even or one. Every time, week after week with the Vikings, it looks like they're going to unravel with the lead.

And it hasn't happened week after week after week. But there's always this moment where you're like, oh, here goes Cousins. It's about to turn into dust. And then somehow they hold it up. And that Hawkinson is definitely so far working out. What do you have, nine receptions for 70 yards? I was surprised how prominently involved he was. They were really looking for him, trying to get him involved on third downs.

The other watchables I have is Dolphins-Browns. I'm going to explain it like this. I think the Dolphins are just a watchable every week. Whoever they're playing, they have to be thrown in there, right? They're super fun. Every game they have, it's 60 points. Tyreek does three crazy things.

I really enjoy it. Mike McDaniel, go for it on fourth and two. Up seven with three minutes left. I'm going for it. Some teams that the quarterback doesn't matter. Some teams the coach doesn't matter. I feel like the Dolphins might be the team that the coach should totally get far.

Yeah. I have Dolphins at home against Cleveland favored. That's right. By six and a half points.

Oh, good. I edged you out. I said six. It's four. It's only four. Whoa. So stay away from this. I guess.

Why is that? Dolphins are favored by four in Chicago. Dolphins are favored by four in Chicago. Dolphins are favored by four in Chicago. So now they're home against Cleveland. They're favored by four? People are really... They've kind of done this with Cleveland. And they're coming off a bye,

right? And they just destroyed Cincinnati. I don't trust Cleveland at all. Well, that's pretty fishy. Yep. Fairly watchable as I got three first one the aforementioned Bears home for Detroit

look Fields has worked his way on one of the TVs for me like as long as it's like a relatively close game I really enjoy watching them I have the Bears by three and a half I said three and it's three and a half. I said three and it's two and a half.

So I get it, right? Okay. Yeah. So one of my big bets before this season was Bears under six and a half. Me too. I had the worst record. They're three and six right now. Feels like there's at least a chance to hedge that. I had the

Bengals either nine and a half or ten over and I have the Titans under nine. So I think if they go nine and eight, I get to push that one. And then I have over for Carolina which I'm just going to... God, Carolina. David Tepper just should send me

$10,000 and we'll just call it even. I'm looking at this schedule. Well, I guess they have that. Well, here's what the Bears do. The last four, three of them are against Philly, Buffalo, and Minnesota. Minnesota might not need it, though, that last game. Otherwise, they could win it. They could win any of these.

Two against the Lions. Next fairly watchable, which could have been a watchable, but the Jags have burned us before from an entertainment standpoint. Jags in Kansas City. Kansas City dying to be teased. They don't want you to give up on teasers, Sal.

They're like, come trust us. I have the Chiefs favored by nine against Jacksonville. I went crazy here. You get this right. I said 12. I think it might have been before the game that I wrote this down, but I'll take the L here. I mean, so they were what?

10? They ended? No, they ended 14 today? Today. Wow. I know Malik Willis versus Trevor Lawrence is different. Malik Willis stood for 80 yards. Malik Willis is there for 80 yards yeah

what's the line for Chiefs Jags you got it it's nine and a half okay so what do you why are you bitching that you did it

before the game well I said 12 I thought it'd be I thought it'd be high much higher I mean 14 against Tennessee

you could make it 11 or 12 against Jacksonville I'm proud to say I didn't bet on Jags Raiders. I tried not to watch a lot of it. And to me,

that's just the classic stay away. How do you bet on that game? How is anybody supposed to know what's going to happen in a Jaguars Raiders game in 2022? I still love that team. I really do.

Would you rather have McDaniel or McDaniels? I like McDaniel. I just think he needs a strategist. Yeah. He's really got to figure out the fourth and two with Tua. I don't know. You say it like it's a celebrity.

Like, yeah, I think she just needs a stylist. I think he needs a stylist. That's what we should call the advisor, a stylist. A stylist? He's a fourth and two stylist. A sports stylist. And then, you know. I think he means a stylist. It's a coach. That's what we should call the advisor, a stylist. A stylist. He's a fourth and two stylist. A sports stylist. Yeah. Well, the model said it was two percentage points higher if they went for it.

Cool. Yeah. Sounds great. Rams are home against the Cardinals. This used to be a likable or a watchable. Yeah. What kind of crowd are we getting for this game? Because I can't say the Cardinals fans are going to be traveling.

They don't even like going to the Cardinals home games. The Rams fans don't want to go. So I think this could be the all-time, do you want my Rams tickets game? Interesting. I think you're right. What-time do you want my Rams tickets game. Interesting. I think you're right. What do we do with the Kings? I forget what the Kingsbury, you know how one coach owns the other here.

How does this work? This is McVay owns Kingsbury? McVay owns Kingsbury, yeah. Does he? I don't want to misspeak here. Yeah. All right. McVay definitely called Amazon today.

He's like, hey, I wanted to see. I have Rams by two and a half over the Cardinals. And I have. I have. Wait, why is that wrong? Rams, I said four, and it's three and a half. So I get it. Jesus.

Three and six versus three and five. What a disaster. It's a bad game. You almost don't want to take the Cardinals unless they're getting like more than three points. I almost don't want to ever take them again. Yeah, don't take them. Please don't.

I got to take at least three weeks off from them. Poop Fecta. I got four. Titans at home for the Broncos. This will be an awful game. 13-10. 9-7. A lot of runs.

I have Titans by two and a half. We split it. I said one and a half. It's two. Okay. I guess that's fair. Next one is Giants-Texans.

Great spot for the Giants coming off a bye. They're home. Feeling good. NFC moving their way. Ten wins probably gets them in there. I'd start peeking ahead past this terrible Texans team.

After we beat the Texans, just be careful. Yeah. I got Giants by seven and a half. I'd be careful about putting them in a tease. That's exactly what I had, and it's six and a half. Don't put them in a tease, America. Well, I was thinking about this.

If you erase the team names and you say, hey, six and two is home against one, six and one. Yeah. That should be an 11 point spread, right? Yes. You're right.

This is messed up. This season's a nightmare. It's just like, this is not what we grew up with. When is the world cup start? It's just too many bad quotes. Who's going to be a world cup expert? The real soccer.

Come on, Uruguay. Let's do it. Who do you have? Harry? Who's going to be your expert? Harry? We have a soccer podcast covered in glory.

Yeah. No, but isn't Harry, isn't Harry good at soccer? Harry fancies himself as soccer. Not, but yeah, he, uh, he needs to take a break.

My favorite is when Harry's on the Lombardi show and they give him this long intro. What did they say? He's like former sportsbook operator and handicapper. They called him a handicapper. Yeah, before he got kicked out of Vegas. Yeah, he was a handicapper. They called him a handicapper. Before he got kicked out of Vegas, he was a handicapper. We had Mattress Mac on. We were interviewing him. I'm like, alright, Harry, you can ask him one question. He called him Mattress. He's like, yeah, Mattress, let me ask you something. When you take these bets, it's like, okay, yeah, Mattress. His name isn't

Mattress. It's not like Corporal. His name is Mac. Yeah, it's Mac. It's not even Macal. It's kind of Mac. Yeah, it's Mac. It's not even Mac, but it's not mattress. Pittsburgh is another poop fact the game their home against the Saints. I'm going to try not to watch a lot of this one. I got a Saints by two and a half.

You got it. Exactly. I went the other way. I don't know. I'm an idiot. I said Pittsburgh by one two and a half is the number you like the Saints against Baltimore tomorrow night? No, I took the Ravens, but that's a game I'm going to lose no matter what. Who do you like? You like the Saints?

They're coming off that Raiders win, right? I don't like that Andrews isn't playing. People are like, oh, this Isaiah Likely will just go right in and beat Mark Andrews. Really? That's what's going to happen? Mark Andrews is awesome. I haven't been impressed with a Ravens win yet this year,

I think. And then the Saints. Saints are a pretty physical team. I feel like that's going to be a tight game. Their defense is playing like we thought they would. It took a while. Last one is the aforementioned Raiders

are home against the Colts. This is definitely a loser leaves the season match, even though you could argue the Raiders are already done. This has to be in the Vegas zone. I have Raiders by five. Nice job. I said four and a half. It's six. Oh, out of the Vegas zone. Let's see where you are. I said four and a half. It's six.

Oh, so you got it. Out of the Vegas zone. Let's see where you are. Three, four, five, six, eight, two, four, six, eight to eight. Two left. And I sucked on these two. So you should get it. Yeah, I don't know this.

The Colts, you can't really tank in football. But the Matt Ryan thing, I felt like these last two were winnable games. Right? I agree. I thought Allinger was going to move around more and be more interesting. He's not. He's really easy to play against. Right.

So it makes me think they definitely want that. They're done with this quarterback, this retread quarterback bull crap, right? We got to get one of these top three in college. So you're saying this is a stealth tank job by the Colts? Yeah. Once they lost twice to the Titans, it was like, even though they weren't four games back, I think they're like, all right, let's figure out something for next year. I'm still trying to figure out how I lost

my Chiefs bet against them. One of the many indignities gambling-wise this year. Looking back, that's one of the dumbest results of the year. You held them 117, Chiefs 12. Yeah, that was bad. 121 total yards I'm seeing on 60 plays.

That's awful. They were horrible. They were so bad. We would get the ball back and Mac would just either dump the ball too early or whatever. And then finally, they started getting some stuff going. It was bad.

Our defense was good though. Sunday night, 49ers home for the Chargers. It's a good game. We'll see who's playing receiver for the Chargers. I have 49ers by four over the Chargers. Oh, okay.

Interesting. I said four and a half. It's six and a half. Oh, you won that one. I'm up one heading into the last game, and I'm off two points. Why is it six and a half? I don't know. They do love the Niners, Vegas.

They really do. Chargers on the road. Yeah, I don't know. They do love the Niners. They really do. Chargers on the road. Yeah, I don't know. It's a little high. Herbert, he's banged up. He's got no receivers. I was impressed by him today. I was too. They picked up

a practice squad on Saturday night. I was like, this could be in trouble but then I forgot they had Dicker the kicker you know all's good again he's got even though he got the he's like Burrow he can get the shit kicked out of him but he's got like a calmness to him no matter what's going on that I really

like I like both those guys obviously Monday night Eagles home for the Washington Seawords let's see let's see you could tie me here Simmons obviously. Monday night, Eagles home for the Washington Seawards. Let's see. Let's see. You could tie me here, Simmons. Well, it has to be double figures.

They're not going to want us to tease this. And I think it's Eagles by 10 and a half. Oh, you schmuck. I mean, you just cheat. You felt the heat and you looked

and you saw that it was 10 and a half and then you said 10 and a half. You got it exactly. I said nine. I said eight and a half. I lost you. All right. So you're going to tease the Eagles, the Chiefs. What's the third one? I really like, who was the seven pointer? I like, I like Buffalo. Come on. If they start losing two in a row, like we're so funny. Like the Vikings, everyone talks? I like Buffalo. Come on. If they start losing two in a row. It's so funny. The Vikings, everyone talks about the Eagles and the Cowboys and the Niners.

I feel like people like those three teams better than the Vikings. And all they do is keep winning. But not this week. The Vikings have a habit of just being in front. The one time we saw them fall behind, they were done immediately. Well, they were down by 10. Weren't they down by a lot today?

They were losing by a bunch today. Am I blanking? Yeah, they were down 17-7. Oh, I must have missed the 17-7 part. Did you see Cousins topless on a plane? Yeah, you're right. They did come back. I got to say, I didn't watch a lot of that game.

Even though I had an underdog parlay with Washington. It had no vibe to it. Poor Joe House. The early games were good and there were too many of them. And I just kind of settled on Bears Miami. I had the Pats. I had the Chargers Falcons The early games were good and there were too many of them. And I just kind of settled on Bears-Miami. Yeah.

I had the Pats. I had the Chargers-Falcons game. And then the Packers-Lions game was great. And then there was one other one too, right? We thought that, well, you said the Bears-Dolphins? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of like settled on that grouping.

Yeah, we thought they were going to suck this time last week. The early, what did you call it? Post-Halloween Apple picking? I forgot what it was, but we thought that group. But there were three games that were 17-17 at 4 p.m. Eastern. Let's take a break. We'll come back.

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Learn more at CarMax.com. CarMax, car buying reimagined. All right, what do you got, Sal? All right. So what I'm going to talk about probably combines like a lot of the things Car buying reimagined. All right. What do you got? So, all right. Uh, so what I'm going to talk about probably combines like a lot of the things we discussed over the last few weeks and years, but I think like parenting, I would say comes down to sacrifice.

I don't want to sound like an idiot here, but, but there are different sacrifices, right? Like some cultures jump in fires and sacrifice their bodies to gods. And like, wow, that's weird.

Then there's smaller sacrifice, like a sacrifice bunt, but it's still a sacrifice, but it's not exciting. But I want to talk about the sacrifice we make in miles driven, driving to events for these kids. We've discussed this before. For instance, the three and a half hour round trip to my oldest son's playoff game, which they were up 14, nothing and first in goal at the five and ended up losing 41, 14. And then the very next morning at 5 45 AM, another four hour round trip to watch my youngest son get smoked by pony lake teams, like the size of actual ponies. So, but what I want to do is I want to use these miles and call them frequent parent

miles and cash them in when we're much older, God willing. So if I have to talk to my youngest son and his wife, I get to cash in these frequent parent miles. And so the story about my upcoming gallbladder operation that should normally take three minutes. Now it goes 12 minutes because way back when I drove four hours to Colton, California to watch you get smoked 12 to one at eight in the morning on a Saturday in 2022. So frequent parent miles, we should start keeping track of these and then turn them in. And then we can tell long boring stories. I'd be a platinum member. Yeah. Yeah. Think about it. You have to listen to me now. I'm an old man. I'd be a platinum member. Yeah. Yeah, think about it. It's a great idea.

You have to listen to me now. I'm an old man. I'm going to talk about how the neighbor's son got accepted to Harvard. I'm going to talk about it for 20 minutes because I'm redeeming

these frequent parent miles and there's nothing you can do about it. You know, that would be a great app where you just, anytime you make a trip for a sports parent trip, you just,

you log it into the app and then you just get to see how many miles I had. My son had a, had a playoff game for football and we had to drive. We were in the car two plus hours. I'd listened to the entire Celtic game in the way there. And then an hour and a half back, it was probably four hours. It's so stupid the way they do it up here. God. Yeah. And then an hour and a half back, it was probably four hours round trip. It's so stupid the way they do it

up here. Go ahead. And then today I didn't go. My wife, my daughter had a club game in Santa Barbara. So they drove to Santa Barbara this morning back. That was another four hours. So my wife did two four hour round trips in two and a half days.

When you grew up, your county, right? The team, your football team, whatever, soccer. How big was it? My Suffolk County, Long Island was like 60 schools. You had a couple playoff teams for each division. Maybe there were eight divisions. That was it.

Once you got out of that, LA is stupid with the Southern California football. You could drive two and a half hours because there's 1,200 schools in LA County. So weird. My parent corner was right off that one. We did all this driving Friday.

Ben's team loses. Kind of a semi-winnable game, but they lost. The season's over. And then, because he's a young kid and kind of a moron he didn't never really dawned on him that he was never going to play with the seniors again and he was really emotional everybody loses guys are crying and my son my son who's like a cyborg and he was really upset after he's like i'm not going to play with these guys ever again. And we're like, yeah, no shit. That's why it's the fucking playoffs.

Anyway, so he takes the bus back and we drive to school because he can't drive. A lot of these kids can just drive home from the game, but the younger kids. He's young. Yeah. So we went, we got,

we got food. We got him like a chicken parm sub. We killed some time until he got, so he gets in. And, and just terrible attitude. He's upset. So I think I started off because he played, you know, he played some,

he had a catch in the fourth quarter. And I actually wish he had played more. And I was like, I've really felt like you could have got, you know, if you'd played a little more, you would have gotten open. Like they weren't playing safeties is like dad. And just was like on the defensive.

And it was like, whatever we said. Yeah. He was just eating his chicken, chicken parm sub. And he's like, this is cold. We're like,

all right, sorry. We just got it. And he was just the biggest dick the whole way home. And then, so we're driving in silence he's like why don't you guys want to talk about the game and we're just like

what do we do we can't win it's like this is we've driven for four hours and you're being a dick so just just drove home and very glad the season's over. Frequent parent miles man just log them they're adding up.

Well, here's the thing. Wrestling's starting. He hasn't decided yet. Initially, he's like, there's no way I'm doing it. He's getting home at 7 o'clock from football, but now I don't know. We'll see how it goes. I think he's got to do it. I also think he'll know right away if he likes it.

But it's great. It'll be like sending him to the army, except you know he want him to do it. I also think he'll know right away if he likes it. But it's great. It'll be like sending him to the army, except you know he's going to come home. It's going to be great. I think he would do it if it was actually WWE. Oh, really? Yeah, if it was actually the WWE Performance Center instead of

Varsity Wrestling. Maybe they'll let him wear a cape instead of a singlet. Sparkly tights. Well, anyway, the point of both of our parent corners is kids should appreciate the sacrifices the parents make. I feel unappreciated. I'll be honest. I feel unappreciated. Yeah. It's a lot of driving. My daughter's going to be gone in eight months. Did she care about all the miles? No. No. They will though. They got to figure it out. What do you listen to in the car with your kid when you're driving?

I got 80s on eight. Oh, you're doing that? Yeah. If I'm driving, I get to call what it is, but I feel like they're on the iPads in the back anyway, and it doesn't matter. And I'm just competing with them. And my wife is sleeping in the front. Why? What do you listen to? When it's Zoe, she took control of the radio like four years ago.

Ben, he's just playing terrible rap. Yeah. He's hitting you with a chicken parmesan sub sandwich. Yeah. On top of the surliness and just having a drive, we don sandwich. Yeah. On top of the surliness and just having to drive, we don't even get to pick our music.

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We really have some dynamite advice on all those. But, but, but I ran this by you Friday. I think it's a good idea. The NBA is off on Tuesday. Adam Silver wants everyone to go vote all the players. So that's set. They're definitely going to go vote. That's good. But Monday, there are 15 games set up and they've done an amazing thing. They're going to stagger the times. Wizards Hornets starts at 7 p.m. and then every 15 minutes after that, there's a game until 10.30

Cavs at Clippers. So we're doing Race to 10 where we bet one of the two teams playing to score 10 points first and we're going to keep doing it on Spotify Live throughout the night from 7 to 10.50. And I want everyone to come in there

against all odds on Spotify Live. Against all odds live. So there you go. It's going to be fun. I'm going to lose a lot of money. I'm setting the over-under seven wins out of the 15. Oh, I would kill for that already. Let me sign up. You'd take seven. I think we should take all underdogs. Don't you think the lines

would be soft a little? All you need is a couple threes go down. Does that make sense? Take all underdogs? I think we should take all underdogs. Don't you think the lines would be soft a little with the, all you need is a couple of threes go down. Yeah. Makes sense to take all underdogs. I think it's like the player props where you just go under. Yeah. All right. So as always,

good job. Good job. All right. Kevin O'Connor is here. Rare, uh, NBA talk on a Sunday night, but we felt like we had to do it.

Are you worried about Mac Jones before we talk NBA? I am worried about Mac Jones, Bill, yes. More worried about the Celtics defense or Mac Jones? More worried about Mac Jones. The Celtics don't have Robert Williams back yet. Can't judge their defense totally yet. Yeah, and something weird going on with Marcus Smart so far this year.

I don't, doesn't seem like the same guy defensively. I don't know if he's banged up or what's going on, but guards are blown by him. We don't need to talk about that. We're going to talk about Anthony Davis. The Lakers lost again today. There's some buzz. Just some

buzzing that AD might be available. That that's a plan B because the Westbrook trade or whatever they think they can get for Westbrook and whether you'd want to give up future assets, maybe that doesn't even make sense because where are you getting for the Lakers? You got Davis here, who I don't think has looked the same for a couple of years. Certainly not close to bubble Davis. That's the last time we saw like vintage 2018 Pelicans level Davis. This year is on the books for 37.9 next year, 40.6 player option, 2025, 43.2.

I don't know what the end game is with this Lakers team, but I know the Pelicans have their pick and I don't think whatever they have, I don't think it's really fixable in a way to make them a playoff team. Do you feel like Davis is actually on the table is my first question. If he is, is he worth less than

maybe people realize? I think he should be on the table. Whether he is or not, I think that would largely be dependent on your second question. What's the return here? We saw Rudy Gobert go for four first-round draft picks, a swap, and then Walker Kessler, who was just drafted in the first round. So effectively, five first-rounders and a swap.

If that's the return... And Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt, too. Another young, high-quality player. So if that's the return for the Lakers, if they're willing to go a picks-based package with a little bit of talent in return, which clearly Utah's got, and they just keep winning,

again, today against the Clippers, in that case, then maybe it does make some sense to reset around LeBron James, head into the offseason with potentially a bunch of cap space and more than just the three first-round draft picks. Because if they head into the offseason with potentially a bunch of cap space and more than just the three first round draft picks. Because if they go into the summer as is, they'd have their 23 to swap from the Pelicans, 27 and 29 with the cap space to make some moves, some signings,

and what's a below average free agent class. That is probably not going to be enough for them even to get on par with the rest of the west so that comes back to davis where like you're right bill he's not the same guy we saw in the bubble but i do think it's worth giving him credit for the defense he's played this year he's still been a great defensive player so they're still valuable for some other teams that great or good i'd say great he's had some great stretches he had a moment you think he's all defense great potentially yes he had a moment against the pelicans the other night where he switched on to cj mccollum on the left wing corralled him and then he switched down back inside blocked jonas valentunas from behind then he sprinted up the floor for a transition lob dunk

from russ so i mean like he's defending cj on one play yonas on the next play he's playing at a high level on defense it's just the offense has declined so much for him not shooting the ball well as we know and out of isolations a question for you bill over the past four seasons his four years with the lakers of the 50 players that have isolated the most where do you think ad ranks and scoring efficiency of those 50 players the 50 players that have isolated the most, where do you think AD ranks in scoring efficiency of those 50 players? The 50 players with the most isolation. Yes. I definitely think it's low

because it's noticeable when you watch them that it's not a good play. So I would say he'd be in the bottom 20% would be my prediction. 48th out of 50 in isolation scoring efficiency according to second spectrum julius randall's 49th and russell westbrook is 50th that's over the last four seasons on post-ups davis is 16th out of the top 25 and post-scoring efficiency so out of these self-creation plays isos post-ups

he's not getting it done and because they don't have a lot of spacing they're not able to effectively run pick and roll everything he does comes off cuts when he can roll floaters you know at rim finishes off of cuts offensive boards so there's definitely logic to trading him it's just a matter of what are your priorities if you're the lakers are your intentions to trade him and then try to you know recalibrate around LeBron James over the next two to three years? Are you willing to risk him saying, you know what, screw this, trade me? Are you willing to risk that this coming offseason

by trading Anthony Davis, his fellow club client? So next year will be the last one where they have him under control with the contract, right? And if he's unhappy heading into the summer, that could happen. Go to this Cleveland game today and look at the actual numbers half by half. Do you know how many shots he took in the second half? This was a close game. No, he only had two points.

Two games in a row. He was one for two field goals in the second half, and he took no field goal attempts in the fourth quarter. The reason this is interesting to me is they're playing Cleveland, who I think is going to be one of the tougher matchups in the league for him, because they have Mobley and Allen, they have size, and it's just going to be tough for him to create his own stuff. And the Lakers didn't even go to him. And I wonder, I've seen all the offensive stats and how dangerous they are with him. I do think he's

point guard dependent a little bit more than maybe we realized. You think back to the best he looked in New Orleans, right? It was that one year with Rondo and he was above the rim and just playing off Rondo in all these different ways. Who is he playing off now with this Lakers team? Even when they're in the bubble season, Rondo was on that team. They had Caruso. They had guys who knew how to move the ball from the right kind of pass.

I just think this is the wrong team for him. And I think there's a lot of different things going on with this Lakers season. None of them are good. But this isn't a good team for him. Playing with Lonnie Walker and whatever Westbrook minutes overlap with him. Who is the guy in this team who's going to make him better? Is it supposed to be LeBron?

I don't know if that's LeBron's role. Is it Schroeder? Is that what they're reliant on here once he returns? Schroeder's another shoot-first point guard, though. Right? He's not a distributor, necessarily. I just... It's a combo of... Davis never seems like

he's in the most incredible shape. I think that's been an issue the last couple years all over the map. They asked him to add weight, too. I wonder if that's part of some of that. He just doesn't have the... You watched his old video of him with the Pelicans. He was so fluid.

People called him a wing or a guard with big size. I mean, he did have a lot of skill and fluidity then that's kind of been lost with all the weight he's added in order to play the five more often. Right.

And you think like four or five years ago, he wasn't like freak level. He wasn't like Giannis level, but definitely was in that unicorn, oh my God, this guy in person is crazy, how athletic he is, the long arms, all that stuff. Doesn't seem as special to me anymore athletically. And he's going to be 30 in March. He's got some miles. He's had a lot of injuries.

The most interesting thing to me is I went through this exercise because you mentioned that Gobert trade. And I think you're the highest on Gobert probably. I don't know if you're starting to cool off on that. A little cool off? No, not on Rudy, but I think the situation

I've definitely cooled over all the mix with Cass. You don't like the Towns, Edwards, Gobert person? Anthony Edwards with his hands on his side at a play call. It's just kind of only there. I think they probably paid $170 to $200 in the dollar for Gobert. I don't think that's a

realistic starting point for Davis. I went through the teams trying to figure out who would be like, oh, cool. Anthony Davis might be available. I think there's some real red flags now. I don't think this is a situation like it was in 2019 when it's like Davis is available. Oh my God. Got to get Davis. Like throw in every asset. This guy could be, you know, Kareem, Shaq, Davis. Those days might have sailed. But he's still a really good player and I think he could be impactful defensively. And if you put him on the right team,

I think some of the stuff that made him great could come back. I just don't know what the team is. So I was going through like, like I did my trade value last summer. He was 12th. No way he's that high, right? No way he's that high now. Top 25? 30?

Yeah, he's probably in the 20s now. But just going through some names that we know there's no way, one for one, would ever happen. Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Curry, Ja, Tatum, Mobley, Booker, Zion, Cade, Anthony Edwards, Embiid, Durant. Just feel like... Not even close. No.

All right. So here's one just for fun. What happens if the Lakers call Miami and say, Bam for AD straight up, nothing else in it? I don't think they'd do it. Miami does. You don't think Miami does it, right? No.

But this summer I would have said, Oh, Miami would do that. Of course they're going to grab Davis. But now I don't think they'd do it. Miami does. You don't think Miami does it, right? This summer, I would have said, oh, Miami would do that. Of course, they're going to grab Davis, but now I don't think they would. That's why I want to do this segment, because I feel like something has shifted. More versatile defensively, Bam is. Yeah. Plays his role. Better durability. Younger.

Yeah. There's a lot of reasons you'd want Bam over 80 at this point. But that was inconceivable three years ago. Oh, yeah, for sure. So that's one. I was trying to figure out, like, New Orleans. They're not trading for it now. They gave the Lakers the pick back.

No way. They're never going to do that, right? No way. So cross them off. I was trying to figure out a Sacramento one, but I don't think that's enough for the Lakers to make it worth if it was like Sabonis,

Barnes, a bunch of firsts, basically their version of a Gobert trade. But then I don't know why Sacramento would do that because where are you going ultimately? Nowhere. Minnesota did the Gobert thing because they felt like we have Edwards, we have Towns, we're going to bring in Gobert, we can now contend for years

you're not going to feel that way if you're Sacramento so they're out I'm looking at the Knicks and the Bulls and the Warriors did you have anybody else other than those three? two of my top three were Bulls and Knicks and then I had Hornets if we're talking about a desperate team that's trying to get into the playoffs as like a wild card type of team

but Warriors I had fourth on my list so you're thinking Lamello could be the point guard to kind of rejuvenate him they trade a bunch of picks yeah that type of thing because I've been obsessed with the Hornets Pacers Lakers three-way concept involving Russ what about that concept involving

Russ and AD? Just adding AD to the equation. I mean, it gets super complicated. Trade machine Picasso levels. But I just think the Hornets, if you're talking about a team that's not contending, that might be desperate to move up into the playoffs, they're the type of team that would make sense there. But I think the Bulls and Knicks make much more sense on paper. Well, and then we have to talk

about this, like the clutch aspect of it and the fact that if he's leaving the LA market, he's got to go to another market that they feel like is worthy of his talents, whatever you think his talents are. Like him going to Charlotte or Sacramento, probably not going to be are. Him going to Charlotte or Sacramento, probably not going to be great. Miami could work,

but again, we don't think Bam would do it. The Bulls won. They lost a couple picks in that Vucevic trade. Vucevic would have to be in this trade. I was trying to patch it together. If you're trading Vucevic and DeRozan for Davis,

that kind of doesn't make sense for the Bulls at that point because then where am I going? They're not traded. Why would I do that? So then it's like Vucevic, Caruso, Patrick Williams, and some future picks. That's not enough. How about Lonzo?

His knee magically heals once he gets back to Los Angeles. Yeah, so he's hurt. But if Lonzo is healthy, you could say, okay, maybe they'll come back. I just don't think they have the right assets. So then that brings us to the Knicks. We know the Knicks are, you know, we'd love to get a star.

Fourth most future first round draft picks in the league right now. That puts them in a really good position too. They have a couple different directions they could go where Randall could be in the trade if it wanted to be a big salary, or you could go like the... You could patch together some...

The Lakers were like, we don't want any salary past this year or next year. They could do their versions of that. They have all the young guards, they have Toppin, and they have a bunch of picks. And to me, that's a get out of jail free card

for the Lakers in a lot of ways. And if you're the Knicks, they have the Kentucky history with AD. You know, obviously Wes was there way back when

and he's involved with the Knicks now. I don't, if you're the Lakers, what do you ask for from the Knicks? What do you want? What are you trying to get? Are you trying to get a bunch of picks that you can use for more assets later?

What do you want? I want six first-round draft picks, and then I plan to flip them for Kevin Durant over the summer. That's what I'd want to do from the Lakers. That'd be my ultimate dream. Doesn't mean I can do it, but that's what I'd want to set from the Lakers. That'd be my ultimate dream. Doesn't mean I can do it, but that's what I'd want to set myself up for to be able to go get Kevin Durant.

But if you're the Lakers, realistically, I think you want some level of NBA talent in return, which the Knicks can provide in addition to what, four, five, six first-round draft picks. So I think that the Knicks make the most sense to me of all the teams because of the draft capital

that they can offer, because of how AD makes sense for them. They need a rim protector. They're 17th in defensive rating this year. They're a team that's trying to win. If they were to send back Mitchell Robinson once he's trade eligible in a deal, AD can replace some of his pick and roll

with Jalen Brunson, can replace an Obi Toppin pick and roll option, and he's an upgrade over Julius Randle in every single way possible. So I think he makes a ton of sense for the Knicks. And then for the Lakers, you get the best of both worlds with some NBA talent and a whole bunch of draft capital in the coming years, which could position you to make a big move. Because ultimately for the Lakers here, I think if they were to move AD,

and it's tough to find a deal that makes complete sense as you're acknowledging but the priority needs to be entering the summer in a place of flexibility where you can say to lebron james here's our plan now with our instead of three future first round draft picks now we have eight or we have nine and we have cap flexibility this is what we can do around you this summer here's what we're going to try to do do you want to be part of this or not and if he says no you know what then you trade lebron you get x amount of first round draft picks and you build young and you try to make it work again if he says yes then maybe you're in a position to do

something crazy and totally restructure this team but ultimately ultimately, the Lakers, very clearly right now, if they were to trade Russ and two first-round draft picks to get back Turner and Heald or some combination, it does nothing for you. That's so stupid.

You can't get anywhere. So you're better off just, you know, it sucks. It really sucks that you're wasting another year with these guys. But ultimately, you won the title, though. You did. You did win the title. It with these guys, but ultimately they're doing the best.

But the thing is, you won the title, though. You did. You did win the title. It's a waste, but it's not a waste, because at least you can point backwards. Absolutely. But they need to be building for next year. That's what they have to do.

They're probably the second worst team in the conference. It's not hard to believe. You'd put them, like, for sure. Like, we've seen enough from Utah. We've seen enough from Utah after 11 games to believe. You'd put them for sure. It's them or the Spurs. We've seen enough from Utah after 11 games to say that they're going to be better than the Lakers at the end of the year. Utah's deep.

They have actual scoring. They have different lineups. Their coach is really good. He was really good in the Celtics. We both heard about that at the time he was hired away. This could be a big loss for that Celtics coaching staff. Yeah, the guys are freaking good. They're really well prepared.

They're smart. And you look at their end of the game stats are unbelievable. So that would be the only thing that makes you think, all right, that's not sustainable. Nobody's going to shoot like that in the last three minutes. But Conley, I think, has been good. Because Con Conley, I think was somebody that would be a possible, or we thought would be a possible trade piece. But now who knows? I mean, Utah might go the other way. The big thing is I sold my market in stock. I gave up. I'll admit it. I could lie and say, Oh, I held up, but I, I gave up last year, but he's finally in the right situation. And weirdly, that Bogdanovich-Olynyk trade

was really smart because they had too many wings. Olynyk's a fun offensive player, but he kind of fits with marketing, which I don't really understand. And it's just, they make sense when you watch them. I don't think it's a fluke. I said to Verno on the mismatch a couple weeks

ago you know and I said this is the dumbest thing but what if Utah went after Kevin Durant same question for you what if Utah went after AD could they be an AD trade right well then any logic behind it well would he be happy there

I think he's only happy if it's New York or Chicago because he'd probably be... Otherwise, he'd be like, I'm cool. I'll stay with the Lakers. We didn't mention Brooklyn because that's the other piece of Durant's... If this craters again,

the only problem is if you're Durant, you go from a team that has no real chance to make a dent in the finals to another team that makes no chance. But the Nets have Durant under contract for a bunch of years. Lakers have Davis under contract for less years, but maybe there's something there or three. I don't know. I just feel like something's going to happen with Davis. It's the only move. If we locked ourselves in a room for two days and we're like, what do we do? I think we would land on training Davis.

And I think that's why there's a little buzz now that he might be gettable. How about the Mavs? So the Mavs are interesting. They can trade three first. We should have talked about them sooner, right? But they have issues trading picks, I think. Yeah. They don't should have talked about them sooner. Right. But they, they, they have issues trading picks. I think.

Yeah. They don't really have that one great asset. They can trade three, but it's not, they're not great picks. Like you said, you're getting like picks from Lucas team. Yeah.

Christian would, you know, Bullock. It's not like you're getting a ton of talent there. That, that would be more of a, a lower end return for the Lakers, or maybe it's not even worth it.

Better off waiting until the summer. I mean, the ballsy one would be Memphis if they put Jackson on the table. And they were like, fuck it. Here's Jackson some pick. Verno's going to have a heart attack listening to this. Would you feel okay trading him within the conference? Is that a factor for you if you're running the Lakers? Like you mentioned

the Warriors and passing earlier as a team. I never... I'm not one of those, I care where the guy goes because then we have to see him. I just... What's the best trade? Also, it could be to that team's detriment, considering his injury history. Well, remember when Belichick

traded Bledsoe to the Bills? Oh my God. He did that. Alright, so we think best case scenario for a Davis trade partner is the Knicks. The Knicks, yeah. A bunch of picks and He did that. All right. So we think best case scenario or best case scenario for a Davis trade partner is the Knicks. The Knicks, yeah.

A bunch of picks and some solid talent. Also like a front office in year three that needs to make a splash. And the kind of team that has like guards that maybe be able

to make Davis better, right? Than the MSG thing. It's not like he's having to make Davis better, right? Then the MSG thing. It's not like he's having the worst season ever, right? He's like 23 and 11. It's not like he, he's not Jermaine O'Neal in the mid 2000s, like falling off a cliff, but he's not first team, all NBA guy from the bubble guy who made NBA 75th anniversary.

He's not totally that Davis. And I can't tell if it's situation, conditioning, I don't know, personal stuff, whatever, but he just doesn't seem like the same guy to me. Would you do that if you're those teams, though? If you're to the Knicks, would you give up five firsts? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't give up that many firsts. I would do the RJ and the two firsts and something else, or I would do that top end, just patch the contracts together with some firsts. So then in that case, is it worth it for you as the Lakers then? I mean, what are you getting those picks for?

I mean, who's the target in the summer? I mentioned Kevin Durant. That'd be the dream. He did a bad trade. The free agents are bad this summer. Yeah, it's not a great free agent class. Is it Carl Anthony Towns? You're only going to win with him?

Brad Beal? I don't know. Who's the target? I just, I don't know. What are you building towards if you're the Lakers? You must have a target in mind. I've never seen a team with less outs that has the talent the Lakers have on paper, right?

With Davis and LeBron, you just feel like, and the ability to spend money, you feel like this has to be salvageable in some way. But that Westbrook 3-for-1 trade really, really, really crippled them. They have no outs any direction. Even Lonnie Walker's been playing pretty well this year, I think, for

what we maybe thought of that signing. I don't know how it plays out, but I feel like there's more to this story because they're two and seven right now. Do you see their schedule coming up? Doesn't lighten up too much, does it? No, I think it gets worse. They have...

They're at Utah, at the Clippers. Oh, and then they have home Sacramento, Brooklyn, Detroit, San Antonio, right? So they got some potentially win-win ones. Got to go three, yeah, at least three. But then at Phoenix, at San Antonio, at San Antonio, home Indiana, home Portland. Then they hit this East Coast trip at Milwaukee, at Washington, at Cleveland, at Toronto, at Philly, at Detroit, then home Boston, home Denver. That's mid-December, basically.

So I just don't see a roadmap to them not being one of the three worst teams in the West. And we haven't even had the LeBron having an old guy injured yet. And then from his vantage point, I don't know. If the season's a lost cause, does he just try to get the scoring title? Does he go watch his son in Sierra Canyon and kind of call it a season? He's like, I'm good. I have four titles. See you guys next year. I mean, maybe that's how this plays

out. I don't know. It could be. I mean, I wonder if you're LeBron and if you're the Lakers, you can't be feeling immense confidence that he'd want to even be there long term considering the situation that you're in. So you can't give up those picks knowing that he could just say, you know what? Trade me

in July. He could just come out and say trade and I want out of here. I want to go home. That could happen. So if you're the Lakers here, you have to be thinking long term and I don't think you can be thinking with LeBron James' future in mind, especially considering the situation, but also just his age. He's old.

He's old. We forgot to mention this trade. Draymond, Kaminga, Moody, and a couple picks for AD. This would be the most fun one of all. It actually was the one that made me pause the most

trying to figure out would the Warriors, would they talk themselves into it? I don't know if they would give up Kaminga and Moody and the picks, but who knows? I mean, they just took an 0-4 on that East Coast trip. Klay's got a PR of 9. It feels a little early.

At the same time, the vibe on that team has been weird all year and it's hard not to blame at least 97% of that on Draymond punching pool on the face during practice. I don't know. Call me crazy. It feels like there's a direct

correlation. They just don't seem like they have their mojo in the same way. I know they're playing young guys and all that stuff, but they don't seem like they have their mojo in the same way. And I know they're playing young guys and all that stuff, but it's something they don't have that swagger that a team usually has after they win the title, where it's just like, we're the fucking champs. Here we are. Playing too much Wiseman, Bill.

Way too much Wiseman. I hate to tell you, but it's not looking good for your buddy. Is he my guy? Do I have to claim him as my guy? I mean, it felt like it early in the season. I did like him. I mean, but yeah, you're right. It doesn't seem like the young guys have paid off like they were hoping. But the other thing is, Clay's been pretty rough.

That's not helping them either. I think they thought Clay would be a little closer to the last couple games of the finals, Clay, and then it's not happening. Anyway. I hope he can refine himself. I miss that, Clay. Me too. So, gun to the head. Anthony Davis, is he on the Lakers in February?

Yes. Still. I'm going to say no. It's my prediction. I would say it's probably minus 200 still in the Lakers, but I would bet the plus 170, maybe he gets traded. All right. You can talk about this with Vern on the mismatch.

Make sure you throw the Jaron Jackson and picks for Anthony Davis trade at him. No way. Oh, my God. There's no way we're doing that. Come on. That's my Vern on the mismatch. That was pretty good. I like no way we're doing that. Come on. That's my burnout. That was pretty good. I like it.

Thanks. Pretty good. You're working on that in the mirror? No, not really. It's just a natural mimic. All right. KOC, good to see you. Hey, you as well, Bill.

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