The Bill Simmons Podcast - A Lions Revival, Goff’s Gaffes, Popping a Chubb, Tasty NBA Futures, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: September 30, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to recap Sunday’s matchups including Patriots-Bills, Saints-Cowboys, Browns-Ravens, the Rams-Buccaneers shootout, and the down-to-the-wire Chiefs-Lions matchup (2:05), before guessing the NFL lines for Week 5 (39:15). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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After that, it's only $7.99 per month. Luminary.link slash Simmons. Cancel any time. Terms do apply. Lots to cover. A predictably crazy week four in the NFL. The cuz is going to join us in one second. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, fresh from his dramatic Lambo leap that looked heavily edited.

I'm not sure he got up there. It seems like there are some special effects. Cousin Sal on the line. How are you, Sal? What kind of special effects? They showed my feet. They showed they panned up. I got my armpit over the wall.

That's all that's involved. I needed the wide angle shot. They showed they panned up. I got my armpit over the wall. That's all that's involved. I needed the wide-angle shot. It reminded me of a sports movie like Summer Catch when they wouldn't show Freddie Prinze actually falling through to the catcher on his 90-mile-an-hour fastball. Need the wide-angle shot. By the way, if you wanted to know, the truth is we had a trampoline because I didn't think I was going to do it.

So we had a mini trampoline. So the idea was I was going to jump and make it into the crowd. And then I was going to celebrate and we're going to cut away to the trampoline, but didn't need it because I made it on the actual third attempt. All that adrenaline, all those cheese heads, all that, the aroma of food, the Kmart. What was your, what was your biggest takeaway from your first Lambo trip? It's, uh, you know, it, it pays to have in the front row, if you're attempting the leap the kmart what was your what was your biggest takeaway from your first lambo trip it's uh you know it it pays to have in the front row if you're attempting the leap to burley um you know miller

plant uh foreman pull you in that's the only way it's really going to happen for someone five eight or shorter like me with no ups were you able to enjoy lambo though because you haven't been there yeah it was great i have to say it was a real like playoff atmosphere. You know, just for the first quarter, even against the Eagles, it was a spectacular feeling. The stadium's great. It's everything anyone's said about it. And then, then I got bored. Then you're sitting there on the sideline with like a field pass and you can't see over any of the players cause you're short.

And I'm seeing like five of my texts didn't go through. And I was like, ah, I should probably get out of here. And that was that. That was it. Yeah. Very jaded. You went back to the Lambeau Marriott. I went back to the hotel and this is disgusting.

I went back to the hotel bar, me and one of the producers, and we ordered because DoorDash, they don't have a lot. You're not going to believe this. They don't have a lot of options on DoorDash in Green Bay. I ordered Red Lobster to the bar. And the bartender's like, she says, weren't you just on TV? And I was like, yep, I was. And she shook her head like she was really serving a loser here.

And she was probably right. Wow, that's like a new segment for the Pod Loser Corner. Ordering Red Lobster at a bar in the middle of Wisconsin. Watching the game that it came from. Speaking of losers, we're taping this. It is 845 Pacific. You're Cowboys. You got the ball back down two.

Had all the makings of a last second Dak Prescott. Wonderful drive. Did not happen. Kyle and I watched that entire game together, although we did watch succession during it and put the game on a smaller TV, but we did watch the whole game. I don't know what I'm supposed to take away from that game. I think those are probably two of the five best teams,

but I don't really know what my lesson is. What was the lesson from that game? Well, you said it had the makings of a Dak Prescott comeback. It had the makings of a Jason Garrett collapse is what it did. It had all the makings and then some. It really was. I felt he was outcoached every step of the way. You got the Saints without Drew Brees. It's as good as it's going to get

for the defense. And they gobbled Teddy two gloves up pretty good, I thought, taking him out of field goal range in that last drive. And then they just killed themselves. They couldn't move the ball. I get it that Amari cooper's uh blanketed by latimore but you know find something else to work yeah you have you have studs all over the place and just wasn't good wasn't good all around i don't want to blame the refs but something has to be done with the way that ended that first half

ended i mean that was abysmal that really was that well do we even need replay anymore because that was not a fumble his elbow was down we had a conclusive angle and then the fact that you could run two seconds off from a from a sideline pass from the four yard line the ball is still rising and the clock stops like i don't understand why can't they put a limit you know when you kick a field goal it can only be five seconds long why can't they put a limit on the other side of that? Like a play has to take three seconds or a tip in, in basketball has to be 0.3, right? Or something that they can't let two seconds run off. Yeah, that makes sense. Five second play. That was bad. I feel bad for all the NFL refs. I think they're so traumatized

and gun shy at this point. We now see, because they got burned most famously in the Saints-Rams game, blowing the whistle dead, and it turned out they shouldn't have. Now they're letting everything go until it's... We've never seen NFL players aimlessly running 60 yards down the field more than we did this weekend. Must've been 10 times. Just like, yeah, let it go. We're probably going to call this back, but let's let this 325-pound nose tackle run for his life down the sideline for this touchdown he's not going to get. They really seem like they're in their own heads. And the pass interference review thing

has somehow made pass interference more complicated. I would get rid of this rule right now because it's made it worse. I know less what pass interference was than I did a year ago. I haven't seen anything work, though. Have you seen anything really challenged that's come back that's like, oh, yeah, that was pass interference. Oh, yeah, that was

pass interference offensively. I'm more confused. The coaches don't seem to know when they should actually challenge it because they get one challenge per half, right? So it's like you got two minutes left in the half and a third and five. It happened in the Patriots game where somebody clearly jumps the route too early.

Just throw the flag. What do you have to lose? You get another one in the second half. It's, it's a mess. So speaking of mess, I feel bad for them, but they could help themselves out by getting a call,

right? Every now and then. Speaking of messes, we knew this was going to be a gambling mess today. I took it easy on million dollar picks. Usually I bet a million dollars. This week, I only bet 400,000. I was super nervous. And we finally talked ourselves into a couple of teases. Jared Goff had other ideas with us winning the tease, but I should mention, underdogs eight and four this,

or I'm sorry, nine and four this week, because the Saints covered as an underdog, right? Yeah, sure. So underdogs nine and four this week, seven of the nine won their games outright.

And now we're in a situation where underdogs are 36-24-1. Wow. For the season. Road teams are 39-21-1. That's against the spread. That's not the record. But these were big stats heading into this week, and it's continued. I feel like we've been here before where there's been huge starts

for underdogs and road teams, but I think the more confusing thing to me is it seems like about two-thirds of the league could beat each other at any given point, and it doesn't matter where the stadium is. What is your thought on this? By the way, that underdog stat is even better than you made it out to be because no one's taken Miami who was an underdog in four straight games. And, you know,

so you might as well just add the four to that total. Oh, that's a good point. Worst teams we've ever seen. So, um, yeah, I don't know.

I, you look at two games and you look at Casey, Detroit and Buffalo, new England. Like we liked them both on teasersers we put them both in the teaser bin easily could have lost right Moneyline oh yeah but yeah those were

live dogs plus six plus six and a half plus seven right in there Cleveland also yeah we had the Rams we did KC and the Pats and then we did I'm sorry KC and the Rams then we did a KC Pats Rams threesome and the Rams just, and then we did I'm sorry, KC and the Rams, and then we did a KC-Pats-Rams threesome, and the Rams just

need to win by a field goal, and of course, they ended up giving 55 points up to Tampa. But I do a power poll every week just to kind of have a sense for what the league looks like, just for my own sanity. I don't even know how you rank the NFC. I was looking at that. Who do you take? Who's number one

in your NFC? It gets crazier. Obviously, New England and KC are one and two in some order. Then I always have a next bracket would be the contenders. So right now, I guess it's New Orleans and Dallas and maybe the Rams. Maybe. I'm not ready to give up on the Rams because they just shat the bed as a big home favorite. Are you? No, their defense was really good Monday against the Browns and then really, really bad.

Really bad. Like Wade Phillips must have been like, oh, thank God. Jared Goff is bailing me out. And Jared Goff is like, oh, Wade Phillips' defense is bailing me out. Must have gone back and forth because that's how I saw that game. Big game this Thursday against Seattle. I think we'll learn a little more, but maybe New Orleans is the best in the NFC,

even with Bridgewater. They lost to the Rams because Breeze was out partially through the game, so maybe they're undefeated without that. Well, they're 3-1. It looks like they might have lucked out in the division they're in. But more importantly,

so you go New England, KC, Dallas, New Orleans, Rams. I'm just going to list you just in order of how I rank them, the next 15 teams. And what's striking is I feel like all of these teams could beat each other at any point. Philadelphia, Green Bay, Chicago, Buffalo, San Francisco, Detroit, Baltimore, Jacksonville, the Chargers, Seattle, Indianapolis, Houston, Carolina, Cleveland, Tampa, who have as the 20th team, then Minnesota and Tennessee as 21 and 22. And I feel like all those teams could beat any of the other teams in their home stadium. Yeah.

You're not wrong. I mean, you take that AFC South, and I just feel like maybe Tennessee, the Jags are the best team in the AFC South. Like, those teams are all 2-2, and I don't remember, like, you can't count on any of them to win back-to-back weeks, right? So that's a whole division. And you already described, like, the NFC South is kind of the same way. You don't know what you're getting week-to-week with these teams.

Yeah, that was what was interesting about Carolina playing Houston, which really was a forgettable game. It was barely in the red zone. They were showing Redskins giants on the red zone more than a Texans Panthers, but two teams that are kind of in the same boat, they could go 10 and six, they could go six and 10. They could have two more injuries and their season's over. They could stay healthy and they might actually be a 10 win team. And their season will probably come down to five different plays

over the course of five games that could have gone either way. And it just feels like that's the entire league. And we haven't even really been ravaged by injuries yet. So as I look at like what I'm trying to learn, we knew week four was going to be a little wacky. It usually is, but now I'm looking forward. I'm like, man, I don't, I don't know who I feel good about. I mean, I think if you just go like who, like what's pieces of teams do you like?

I think the Patriots have a great defense. Like really, I think really, really great defense. I think Chicago's defense is really good too. Did you and nephew Kyle cry when they gave up their first touchdown today? So Kyle went through the seven stages. He was saying how Josh Allen didn't have the ball long enough, went across the plane, and it should have been a fumble.

And we went through it. I think one of the many weird rules of football is that you can catch a ball in the end zone, take two steps, do a somersault rollover. And if at the end of seven seconds you haven't held on the ball, it's not a catch. But Josh Allen can put the ball over the goal line for one one hundredth of a second before it gets batted over his hand. It's like touchdown. He's got it. I don't know. I don't understand why we do it that way, but I hate it too.

I just don't know what they would do. Cause there has to be a finite plane that you cross when you're a, you're a ball carrier. I don't know. I don't know what they do. The other way is terrible too. The passes, the reception's bad that you have to catch it and go home and put it on

your mantle before the referees will throw his arms up. But well, unfortunately for them, young Josh was not up to the task against that defense today and then got racked on. Not up to the task? I mean, that was classic Patriots win right there. The unnecessary helmet to helmet. Patrick Chung off on parole with the big interception.

Come on, man. What else do you want in that game? Oh, the coaches. Did you see this whole thing with the coaches? Belichick's son had to be ushered off the field because they were trying to cheat. They were watching the practice session for the Bills. It goes on and on with this. That didn't happen.

What are you talking about? It did happen. Look it up. Look what happened. McDermott had to actually usher two Patriots coaches off the field because they stayed too long to watch the Bills practice. I didn't make that up. That's on the internet.

Well, maybe, maybe the weather was nice and they were enjoying the day. Yeah. You see? See what I mean? Cheating for no reason. I was wildly impressed by Buffalo's defense as well. And I think they're in the conversation for top three or four best defense. Look, no fullback.

James Devlin's out. The Edelman was compromised. He looked like he was about 45, 50%. And guys were not getting open. We've seen Brady have games like that before. And I think it's a late September tradition for him where it was like, oh man, this looks like the Brady era might be over.

So we've learned not to do that anymore with him. But he struggled about as much as I've seen him struggle in a game that they won. We've seen him struggle in losses like this, but he must've thrown, what do you think Kyle? Eight, eight nine passes where he just threw away because he didn't want to get sacked. Yeah. And like five of them were just real bad. Yeah. And he had an, at least one intentional grounding. And it felt like he could have had three and nobody was open. Yeah, and he had at least one intentional grounding and it felt like he could have had three.

And nobody was open. And you watch a game like that and you realize like this is why they were willing to put up with Antonio Brown and hope that this worked out because they realized they don't have anybody on their offense who can create a play. They have guys who can, you know, make plays if some things go their way,

but they don't have anybody like what we saw with Tampa today where Evans and Godwin are just creating plays out of nowhere. It was discouraging. It was a different kind of offense, though. James White has had monster games. Sonny Michel has had monster games. You'll get Josh Gordon. He'll catch a 70-yard touchdown.

He'll be back in the mix as a player. Yeah, but they needed Josh today, and he couldn't get anything going. That defense is good. Sony had his best game of the year, and he was like 17 for 58 or something. And White, it's like if Sony's in there, they know they're running.

If White's in there, they know it's more logical to pass. But here's the thing. They're so good. Tom Curran wrote a good piece about this today. They're so good at every other unit that they just need the offense, at least for these first couple months, just to not lose games. And they almost lost this one today, partly because Brady threw, you know, he throws five bad passes a year and he threw just an awful pass in the end zone when they had a chance to put that game away

and let the Bills hang around, hang around, hang around. The Bills weren't ready to win that game. Yeah, not a great line. What was he, 18 for 39, Brady? It was bad. I don't know about fantasy leagues. Who cares? But I had Brady or Stafford, who was iffy, iffy, iffy, iffy,

may not play. I was like, all right, I'm starting Brady. I'm starting TB12, the greatest of all time. Did nothing. And Stafford, of course, almost a hero in that game. That was a crazy game. So then on the flip side, we had somebody like Goff, who completely cost the Rams that game and was really bad

and had some really bad moments and yet finished with an awesome fantasy day. And not as good as Jameis Winston, but was way up there. Proving yet again that fantasy can be dumb sometimes. I play. I was like, all right, I'm starting Brady. I'm starting TB12, the greatest of all time. Did nothing. Stafford, of course, almost a hero in that game.

That was a crazy game. So then on the flip side, we had, you know, somebody like Goff who completely cost the Rams that game and was really bad and had some really bad moments

and yet finished with an awesome fantasy day. And not as good as Jameis Winston, but was way up there. Proving yet again that fantasy can be dumb sometimes. I don't think, do you think,

I mean, that guy, forget about the interceptions. Wait, no, no, hold golf. We got to hold golf. Oh, we do? Yeah, because we got to take a quick break and talk about our FanDuel League. All right. Yeah. So we're on FanDuel.

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Yeah. He'd become just like if you're in a daily fantasy for football and Mahomes isn't your quarterback, you're a moron. But then he was finally semi-human. He still had a pretty good day, but it wasn't Pat Mahomesy. But he conspired to kill me along with Odell Beckham, who I think there's got to be a little bit of Odell panic at this point. How'd you do this week?

Somehow I've made money three out of four weeks. I won $10. I came in 194th out of 834. And I do the thing where I start the Patriots defense every week and I had Mahomes also. I've been starting him every week. And he, you know, it's interesting. Someone said to me, oh, the Parley kid said,

do you think we'll ever see a week again where Mahomes and Brady don't throw a touchdown on the same day? As long as Brady plays? Oh, wow. I don't think we'll see it. Yeah, we probably won't see that. That was weird. But Mahomes was something. Are we going to talk about that game? Yeah. You can see me sound the trifecta

in the Ringer Listener League on FanDuel. Even if you missed last week, you can still catch up this week. You can still take home the top prize. Go to fanduel.com slash ringer to enter now. So there wasn't a lot to learn from today. I think we learned that a couple teams are probably a little better

than we thought, Tampa being a good example. I thought the one moment that happened today that, you know, from a big picture standpoint was significant. Mahomes on that last drive where he's in Detroit. The Lions

score with, you know, under three minutes left. It's really loud. Crowds into it. Feels like a moment. Ends up being fourth and eight. Casey inexplicably calls timeout, dropping from two to one with like a minute 50 left, which made it so that if they didn't get this fourth down,

now the game's over. Classic Andy Reid. Mahomes ends up making the play. He scrambles for a first down. They double cover Kelsey. They go man to man, leaving Mahomes open to do the play scrambles for a first down they double cover Kelsey they go man to man leaving Mahomes open to do whatever he wants there

it was great play the game yeah comes down they end up getting the touchdown they go ahead and survive two kind of realistic looking

Hail Marys but I texted you in house today Mahomes was even odds to win the MVP I'm guessing that's going to be minus 200 tomorrow. It feels like he's- Wasn't he plus 180?

I thought he was better than that when you texted us. Oh, was it plus 180? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, it'll be minus something tomorrow, right? Well, I said the only thing, you're just betting that he's not getting injured, right? Because he's got to run away with this thing. Yeah.

I don't even know who else. The Ravens are 2-2. There's not really going to be your Lamar Jackson case. And then if you're going like, oh, whoever's on the 14-2, 15-1 team, the only real chances for that, I feel like, are the Pats and the Chiefs. So it's not going to be anybody from the Patriots.

So that feels like... You don't think the Packers will be... They're not going to be that good. They're not going to be anybody from the Patriots. So that feels like. You don't think the Packers will be. They're not going to be that good. They're not going to be. They'll 10 and 6, 11 and 5. Won't get it done for Rodgers. Maybe. We, you know, you never know what's going to happen.

If you break the season up in quarters, somebody's going to emerge around week 8, week 9. It might be Green Bay for all we know. I will say this. Kansas City, I texted you in-house. I was like, when they were down 10-0, I was like, minus 140. I know. Tuesday, minus 140. We didn't do anything. Going into that last drive,

they were even to win. They were down, but they were even before the fourth and eight and everything. But we really should be on top of this stuff. They're going to go, like you said, 14-2. So we'll lose a couple, but we're going to be pretty, it's going to be prosperous. Can I praise the Lions while also insulting Matt Patricia again?

I think so, yeah. I think you could do it. The Lions might be good. Yeah. I actually, they kind of won me over today. Even that Eagles game, which I thought the Eagles should have won and the Eagles gave away to a large degree. But the Lions, you know, they've been able to hang around

and make some plays in these games. Today was over and over again. They got drives when they needed. And, you know, they actually might be a playoff team. I like that. And they beat Philadelphia and they beat the Chargers, two teams who I think we both think are going to the playoffs. Right.

At least one. Right. And the enigma is the, that, that Cardinals game because they're luckily Miami and Washington are in the league. Otherwise they'd be the worst. Yeah.

And they were up 18 in that game. So, yeah, you know, they're two, one and one. They could easily be four and O with a couple of plays, but so definitely good things are happening. You know, they're 2-1-1. They could easily be 4-0 with a couple plays.

But so definitely good things are happening. And I think Patricia has to get credit for the fact that this team's prepared. They seem to know how to— They definitely affected Mahomes a little bit today. They get very unlucky. They had that 100-yard fumble return for a touchdown. Unbelievable. That's so hard to overcome. Almost impossible.

Yeah, that's tough. The 14-point swing is always bad. I do want to point out, though, the Chiefs got a first down. Probably 30 seconds left. They have one timeout left. And they're, I think, on like the, maybe the four-yard line.

Lions call timeout. Lions had two timeouts left. I didn't understand it. Why not? You're not getting the ball back and probably doing anything that's not what ended up happening with the Hail Mary stuff anyway. Once you call timeout, you allow the Chiefs to run the ball, which they did.

Then they call another timeout, allow the Chiefs to run the ball again. If you don't let them run the ball, the Chiefs have to now throw the ball because they only have one timeout left. It's basically the Seattle-Path situation all over again, which Belichick mastered. Patricia was there. He was coaching the Patriots. Belichick told him exactly what to do in that situation.

The clock becomes your friend. Let the Chiefs kind of panic and run the terrible fade pass into the corner clock stop second down now they got to be like oh shit now if we run the ball and we don't get it we got to use our last time out the clock's in their heads and Patricia's just calling timeouts for them

so then the Chiefs got to do whatever they wanted because teams are afraid of Belichick but I don't know if it would work for Matt Patricia I didn't like it in fact I thought they might have called a timeout with 54 seconds left. Now I'm getting confused, but I was like, they're going to score no matter what here.

So try to leave some time out. Gutsy effort. Mahomes was not that sharp. He definitely was missing guys in that game. It was not an A-plus Mahomes game, but he still was able to get it done. But they're a combination of Globetrotters and Warriors there. That Kelsey play with the lateraling, it's not a desperation play.

Oh, boy. They're really just – we're at a point where they're toying with teams. They don't even care if they win this game or they know they're going to. If I told you – if I gave you a choice, would the Chiefs go undefeated 16-0? Would the Patriots go undefeated 16-0? Or will my fantasy team go undefeated in our league? Which one would you pick? In all honesty, give me your serious answer.

Didn't you play someone who scored like 40 points this week? Every week I put up like 130. Do you, why don't you, I'm glad we're taping this actually. Why don't you apologize to me about Nick Chubb? You made some mean Nick Chubb comments about my $48 for Nick Chubb. Why don't you be a bigger man and just admit you were wrong? And, and I did a great job.

I, the only problem I had with Nick Chubb is you were screaming your bid out. And that, that just, all that spelled out is all right. Anyone could just bid you up. You know, you're going to take them no matter what, and you did.

I think you could have probably got them for 33 if you slow played it. I'm like, eh, all right, 27. But you were like, 27. I already knew because everyone knew I wanted them. Everyone in our league already knew. We had already talked about it on three podcasts. Yeah. Co-hearsal.

He's great. And you know what? Freddie Kitchen should apologize because that's how you do it. That's how you win games. You feed Nick Chubb and you find Jarvis Landry, who I think now is concussed. But that seems to be more of a recipe for winning than looking for that sideline fly route with Odell Beckham Jr.

Yeah, that had – we should have known. We should have put the Browns at a money line something because we were definitely afraid to put the Browns at a money line something because we were definitely afraid to put the Ravens in any tees. There was something about that game I think that all of us

kind of looked at it and were like, oh man, everyone's poured dirt on the Browns. Meanwhile, they're one and two and could easily

get back in this. I just don't like that coach. I just, I don't, I honestly don't know if he's an upgrade from Hugh Jackson at this point.

I mean, they have like almost 300 yards in penalties in three games. It's pretty bad. That's the only thing I was worried about. But the thing is, do you like that more or less than anybody else?

Tampa has become kind of the Cleveland of the NFC. Explosive, weird shit goes on in their games. They're never in or out, depending on what's going on. Yeah, they'll turn the ball over at a weird time. Right. Winston threw, really, an atrocious pick six that ended with Marcus Peters crossing the goal line and taking, I think, one of the five worst hits I've ever seen in a football

game. Yeah. The announcers were, Kyle and I, we thought he was dead. And he kind of got up and they were like, it seems like he's okay. It's like, there's no way that guy's playing again. He had a six foot six left tackle coming at him at 200 miles an hour, hitting him helmet to helmet. He didn't even see him.

Also, the scary part is his own teammates didn't seem to care. They just wanted to celebrate. Right. They lifted him up. They're all over him. Like, oh my God, let him take a breath first. Yeah. And then, so that cut it to five and this was, you know, the Rams potentially mounting

this amazing comeback, which would have been yet another horrific Bucs loss. And then they missed the two point and they're up five instead or down five instead of three. And you could kind of feel the Bucs, you know, being ready to finish off. The Bucs also like, I know they had 55 points, but it actually felt like they could have had more. They had runs called back, like 25 yard runs called back left and right. I don't know what to make of that Rams defensive effort. I thought they were way better on defense than that.

But what was shocking was how easily the Bucs were able to just kind of run down their gut and do whatever they wanted inside outside. Are you saying run the ball? Because it seemed like they should have just passed every time. Yeah, but they were also running the ball through the seams too. I think towards the end maybe, yeah. God. It was – so NFC South Saints three in one,

but with Teddy Bridgewater and then Carolina and Tampa sitting there now at two and two. Well, I'm sorry. I'm not done with golf real quick. Oh, let's do golf. Yeah,

we got it. We got a hammer. Go ahead. Do I think we're past? Are we sure he's good? I don't know if anyone misses wide open guys as much as him, you know, dating back to before the Superbowl even,

but you know that you want to pick on his interceptions fine. But if it looks like cooks is open all the time and he'll like throw it a quarter of the field wide to him. And I just wondered, do you think it's gotta be driving McVay nuts? I think like Stafford Dalton on the Rams. I know the guy took him to the Super Bowl and had big numbers today, but I think a lot of guys could jump in there and do as good a job as Jared Goff.

Well, that's what made the extension so kind of brain rattling. When they did it, when they did it, you really are saying, we know this is our guy. I didn't 100% feel that way. I thought he was good last year, but there were a lot of signs that he was better at home than on the road. The Superbowl was alarming. And, uh, and the way they locked in that contract makes it so much harder to trade him. Then in a weird way, he was a great trade asset this year, right? Cause he was in the last year of his rookie deal and they could have flipped him for basically whomever.

Right. You know, that reminds me. Somebody emailed me last week. I'm sorry to the reader or the listener who sent this to us, because I can't remember the name. I don't have it at the top of my head. But about if Cincinnati called Chicago and said, we'll give you Dalton for Trubisky right now,

what would Chicago do? It's close, right? Saying this on the heels of Chase Daniel coming in and actually being able to throw some passes on a straight line to people on his own team. And the Bears fans going, oh, cool. That's what it looks like when Allen Robinson is open and the ball actually goes toward his hands.

Yeah. I wouldn't go too crazy about Chase Daniel. a guy that he didn't have to do anything. No, I know. But he did have a couple of plays. It was like, oh, that's what that looks like on it. No, that's the point. Yeah. The Bears, the Bears defense has stepped up as the top in that NFC North.

And those three are all good. Minnesota's defense, Packers defense is all good. The Bears have shut everyone down, really, even in their loss to the Packers, they shut them down. And Denver and Minnesota, and who am I missing? Oh, well, Washington. Who cares? But, yeah, they've been solid. You know who they have?

They have Nick Kwiatkowski. Yeah. Nick Kwiatkowski. Nine tackles, a sack, a forced fumble. That's the team that's going to the Super Bowl, the Nick Kwiatkowski. He sounds like he was on taxi with Jim Ignatowski for like a year and it was redundant.

They got rid of him. He's just waiting to get traded to the Packers. We see in the NBA, we would see trades with like the Goff-Trabisky type of situations all the time. And the NFL, we don't really see it. The Rams are really stuck with golf because of their contract. And I had some friends that were at the Rams game today. You were there for a little bit, right?

Yeah, I was there for the pregame and yeah, I was screwing with fans in the parking lot. But yeah, it was fun. The word on the street in the stadium is that the natives are getting restless with Goff. Like this is now becoming a thing. And they had, Goff was one of those guys who, again, was better at home than on the road. But I think now people are really starting to laser in. It's going to be a rough week for him. The good news for him is that the Rams just came back two years ago and there's just not a lot of fans. Right now, if this was the Bears or the Eagles or the Cowboys,

this would be such a bigger deal. Screaming bloody murder for sure. Oh my God. Can you imagine? No, I'm with you though. I don't know the difference. Goff on the Bears, Trubisky on the Rams, Dalton on the Bears or Rams. I think it's kind of the same thing. The funniest thing is I would rather have G Minshew than Trubisky or Goff, I think. Did you see him today? By the way, that go-ahead touchdown, what a nifty play that was. Two fakes left or right. Forget about first reads with rookies. He's all over the place. He goes to the open guy twice when they went ahead. It was on great drives. And we talked about rookie of the year.

You know how we talk about MVP? It's like, I don't know. I don't know who's going to win it this year if it's not Mahomes. Who's the rookie of the year? Why not Jim Minshew? Who are the choices? I think he was 15-1 heading into the week. Well, it's Kyler Murray.

It's great. I think I've seen a lot of him. They're going to go 1-15. He can't win it. Daniel Jones. Oh. All right.la Murray. It's like great. I think I've seen a lot. They're going to go one and 15. He can't win it. Daniel Jones. Oh. All right. Dimes.

That's fine. He had two interceptions today against the Redskins. He'll be good. But G Minshew, that's the guy. If they win that division, it's got to be him. Or Joey. We don't want to jump on that. Could be Joey Sly, the Panthers kicker.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's lights out. I picked him up in our fantasy league this week because every time I watched him kick... Wait, Joey Sly? Eddie Pinero, you mean? No, the guy in Carolina, Joey Sly. Oh, I thought you said Chicago. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he made

48 and 55 yarders this week. There's a story you can Google. He was living in his parents' basement last year. All right. He graduated college, ended up not getting invited to play with any team, got a couple of training camps, that's it,

and just went home and was living in the basement. And now has swung a couple of these Carolina games. It could be him. I threw McCall Hardman out there, and he had negative 1.1 fantasy points this week. Yeah, he is pretty bad. Not going to be him. Let's take a break.

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If you want to have an online store, if you want to have full service payroll, if you have access to business loans to help you with cash flow. man, maybe I really could have used Square back in the day. Their payments are still the best in business. No long-term contracts, no weird fees. You always get your money fast. There's so much more Square can do to help your business run and grow. I think Square is really cool. See all the ways Square can take your business from square one to whatever's next at square.com slash go slash BS square.com slash go slash BS. Okay. We've, I think we've hit all the storylines. Week four was just weird. And it seems like everybody lost money. Did you meet anybody who made any, do you know anybody who made money today? Not really. It was tough. Those Rams going down was bad. And the chiefs and Patriots not covering was bad.

I will say this. I mean, these are historically two of the worst teams we've seen. Miami outscored. They're a bad team that gets worse as the game goes on. They've been outscored 81 to nothing in the second half this year, and Washington is just as bad. Let me ask you this. If you were about to win an elimination pool

and you had $500,000 on it and you have to pick between Miami and Washington and they're playing on a neutral field, where do you go? Oh, man. They're so bad, these teams. I don't know. It feels like it would end in a sad tie.

Yeah. You start the clock at 16 points with each spread for either of these teams. Washington finally played the Haskins card today. And it was like, oh, all right, this will be fun. It was not fun. You know what? I knew he wasn't ready. You even heard good things about G. Minshew in training camp,

and he wasn't even supposed to play. Yeah. You didn't hear about Haskins. He just wasn't ready. So I don't know what they're going to do now. Well, so Rembrandt Brown came over today to watch the Falcons game, which actually turned out it sucked

because we had to use one of the TVs in the Falcons and they were immediately down 14. And just watching him go through the 19 stages of Matt Ryan sadness. But at about, I don't know, eight minutes left in the fourth quarter, remember I made a joke about whatever game ends first,

the Redskins game or the Falcons game, that coach will be the first coach fired. So we were comparing the clocks for each game. I was like, I don't know, it's going to be close. This Redskins game might end earlier. Neither of them got fired yet. I had the same thought. Dan Quinn and Jay Gruden are really right neck and neck.

They're really fighting hard. They may have to rock, paper, scissors this battle to the end. The Falcons seem like they need a new direction because they had a couple plays. It's weird because they lost pretty convincingly, but they were also really in that game and really made a couple, you know,

they had fourth and fours, fourth and one, stuff like that. But they had one fourth of three. I put it on my Instagram story. Cause I taped around. It is just, you knew they weren't going to get it.

You knew something bad was going to happen. Of course it did, but you know, they're the master of like the Devante Freeman gets tripped up a yard before he's going for a fourth, the one or Ryan's got the guy wide open. It gets tipped. That team has not been able to shake the juju from that Superbowl.

I don't remember. It was saying a big part of why they succeeded that year was Kyle Shanahan. Who's obviously no longer there, but yeah, but yeah, that team forgot to show up in the fourth quarter of the Superbowl, but yeah, that team needs an exorcism.

Let's go to, let's play a little guess the lines. Let's do it. Week five. That team needs an exorcism. Let's go to, let's play a little Guess the Lines. Let's do it. Week five, we're tied two weeks apiece. Yep. There's Detroit has a bye. They're 2-1-1. Miami mercifully has a bye.

They're 0-4. I don't know if the rest, the week resting helps. I will say one scheduling mess here. So three, six, a 10 early games and two, 1 PM Pacific, two, 4 PM. Why are they doing this to us? So I feel like we've been complaining about this every year. Yeah. Two, 4 PM games. Come on.

We've even tried to justify it and saying like, well, this gives us, maybe we can throw away those two games and spend a little more time with our family, which we don't. It's an affront. It hurts my feelings. It makes me think that maybe the NFL doesn't really care about you and me and the rest of the fans

out there. I don't understand it. From a gambling standpoint, it's terrible. No one's ever tried to explain it. Yeah. I wouldn't accept any explanation, but no one's even tried. For gambling, it's horrible. I mean, I had a thing today. I actually was probably going to, after I hit the first two sides of the tees, I was

thinking about doing the bucks, just the plus and try the middle. And then the Chiefs game took so long to end, it was impossible. But when you have the 10 early games and the two late games, you can't even play catch up if things go wrong. Yeah. Terrible. Here's another thing. There's a London game.

I wasn't going to tell you about it. And that's at 10 a.m. That's at 1 p.m. Eastern. That's not even the early game. Now we still have to watch 10 early afternoon games. You thought I didn't know about the London game. You did know. I might've known.

You didn't know. I might've known. I was going to, I was going to surprise you. It's like a marriage every once in a while. I still don't know which one it is. So I didn't say which one it is. I know which one it is. So Thursday night, you're going to be on the pregame show again.

I am. With, uh. On Fox. It's in Seattle. So I got up super early on Saturday morning because I just woke up and I ended up doing a whole bunch of stuff, getting stuff ready. And I wrote down all my guest lines on yesterday morning. On Saturday, really? Yeah, but then I obviously fixed it after I watched all the games today.

I switched this one by four points, this guess. Originally, I had Rams by three in Seattle, and now I have Seahawks at home by one over the Rams. I'm not kidding. I picked this exactly. I said Rams by one, and it was one and a half, and now it is one. So it's Rams by one. Rams by one.

You agree with that? I kind of like that they're coming off a loss, and Seattle's coming off a win. And because the NFL is so screwy, yeah, I think the Rams should be favored. I actually think this is the perfect Situation for Goff Because there's almost not enough time To marinate in the fucking shit stew That he made today for everybody

You can just kind of move on To the next game and all of a sudden it's here And you gotta worry about Seattle You're not thinking backwards Still Seattle is in that group That 6-20 group that I listed to you. I have no idea. You can tell me they're going to win this game 40 to 10.

I'm not surprised. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. We've, we've seen them blow. One thing we haven't seen is Debbie and Clowney. It's pick six.

And that, that just spelled defeat instantly for Arizona. They weren't coming back from that, but yeah, but yeah, same team. So you have Miami

the worst, Washington second worst, and then Jets or Arizona as your third worst? Oh, I forgot about the Jets. Yeah, I feel bad for the Jets because Miami has their quarterback. That's who they're going with. I'd say Washington has their quarterback too. They could say they're waiting on Alex Smith to come back,

but Haskins, Kate Keenum, they were fine with that. And I think, you know, Arizona has their quarterback. Certainly the jets kind of got screwed. I guess you have to put them,

you're saying without Darnold, the jets or bottom three. Yeah. I would agree with that. All right. So moving to a Sunday, the marquee game glaringly, obviously jumped off the page.

Your Cowboys are back playing the Packers of Green Bay. It's just one of the great uniform matchups that we can have. It's fun. Really brings back all kinds of great memories. I have your team favored by four and a half points. Oh, you get it exactly. I thought three and a half. Even after tonight, I would say I thought it would be three and a half points. No, you get it exactly. I thought three and a half. And even after tonight, I would say I thought it would be three and a half.

But it's exactly four and a half right there in the Vegas zone for you. This is one of the two late afternoon games I told you about. So I won't be seeing the kids. There's a chance the Packers are good. And they might have thrown us off their scent a tiny bit. By the way, they kind of screwed up the fourth quarter of that Thursday night game. Yeah. But they can do the most things.

Adams going out was a complete fluke, you know, when he basically couldn't be covered by anybody on the Eagles. But I would be afraid of this game, Sal. I am afraid. I think this will be similar to the game we just saw. I think it's going to be low scoring, lots of field goals, and, you know, you're going to have to depend on the refs to come through for us.

Are you worried about the... Do you think Dak missed his window with that extension now? Yeah, but you know what? I think Jerry knew what he had in him. I knew he wasn't going to... I think he knew he wasn't going to create trouble. This is a guy who throws a Dixie Cup into the trash, and if he misses, he goes and

picks it up. You know, he wasn't going to halt the season to find a, to find new money. That's what made the Rams golf thing. So weird. Yeah. Like why, what is golf going to do? Like become a problem.

They give them an extension. The guys barely put a headset on. Right. All right. The watchables. I have two games in this category. First one, Baltimore at Pittsburgh. Now, for me, Lamar is just watchable now in every game,

unless they're playing somebody that's one of the bottom four that we mentioned. I think Lamar's in the watchable pile, him and Mahomes. Do you agree or disagree? Definitely, yeah. He's a lot of fun to watch. He can get to triple digits rushing yards and, you know, come from behind and win a game.

I think they have other problems. Mark Ingram fumbling is definitely a big one. And their defense is weird. I think – what did he say? Yeah, their secondary is, like, way out of position almost all the time. Anthony Everett and – why can't I think? Seattle guy. Seattle guy.

Earl Thomas. Yeah, he wouldn't chase down Chubb. He was afraid that he was going to pull a hamstring. Earl Thomas, yeah. Mallory was really hoping that this was a Jalen Ramsey destination. But if I'm the Jags, I'm not trading him. No. I have rookie of the year G Minshew. I'm in as, I'm not trading him. I have Rookie of the Year G. Minshew.

I'm in a totally winnable division. I have a lot of blue chippers on my team, and I could easily go 10 and 6 and win the AFC South. Number Leonard Fournette, if you draft him in fantasy, you're probably considering cutting him a couple weeks ago. I know. Put nine yards of carry today. So Ravens atsburgh tough because we

haven't you know this steelers bengals game on monday night is going to be yeah that could be one of those where we might feel really differently about both teams by midnight on monday well we might be throwing one of those in the bottom three with the jets um miami and you could be like the steelers could be 0-4. We might be talking about that Minka Fitzpatrick trade as one of the true disaster trades anyone's made if they don't have their first-round pick and they're going to go 2-14. So who knows? I have the Ravens favored by 2.5 in Pittsburgh.

I said 4, and it's 3.5. I went too high, you went too low. But you get it. I get that one. But I don't know what to think. Why is Pittsburgh only a three-point favorite Monday night against Cincinnati? I know it's a must win for both of them,

but for God's sakes, if Tomlin's going to keep that eight and eight streak or 500 or better streak going, it's got to start now, right? Yeah. I'm not too optimistic. We'll see what Mason Rudolph brings to the table. Texans at home is the other watchable game.

Why'd you go, ugh? Well, I'm never picking this game right because Atlanta's coming it down. Yeah, it's Texans, Atlanta. This is, I rarely say this to the listeners out there. As you know know I encourage gambling I want all the young kids out there to ease into it very

free free form do your thing don't be afraid of gambling be afraid of this game don't gamble on this game Texans, Falcons, stay away Saladay

we have six decades of combined gambling experience. We're telling you, don't bet on this game. Do not. I don't even know where you would start. I really don't. Don't. It's going to... One of the two fan bases will be completely traumatized

at the end of this game. Something horrible is going to happen. Do not bet on this game. It can only be... To Rembrandt's credit, they drafted to protect. Matt Ryan hit the deck like 42 times. It was the most he's ever been sacked in a season. And they signed him free agency.

I think two out of their first three draft picks were offensive linemen. Houston, with all the moves they made, God, they cannot protect- It's amazing. Sean Watson, right? Yeah. Imagine if they hadn't traded for Tunsell. He would be like on a stretcher by now. Yeah, yeah. DeAndre Hopkins can't get anything going.

Doesn't help that their running game isn't exactly scary. I have the Texans by three, and I think I hit it exactly. I had a three also. It's four and a half. Oh. Ooh, that's Vegas saying we don't like where this Dan Quinn era is going. Yeah. Who do you trust least?

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I can't believe I forgot to mention this. We should have led the podcast with this. We did a charity auction on Charity Buzz because our cousin Jimmy was raising money for ALS for our beloved friend John Carlin, who was stricken with that illness. And we decided to auction off the chance to watch Sunday night football with us this season, one of the Sunday night games,

and then play guess the lines with us. We didn't know what it would go for, but we thought it would do okay. We were thinking like maybe 15K, 20K, I don't know. Some crazy person out there. The bidding kept going and it kept going. And then it was at like $52,000 with three days to go. And we're like, all right, that's crazy. There's no way it'll go higher than that.

And then on Thursday, as it got close to the end, all of a sudden there was like a little bidding frenzy and it ended at $90,000. Somebody bid $90,000 to watch football with us and play guest the lines. That is insane. And it goes to ALS, obviously, which is great. That's, um, we are so delighted and happy who we're going to find out who this person is, but whoever this person is unbelievable. Great. All time. Great job by you. Good job by you. Yes.

I, you know, I, the, the lady that was running this said, we were like, who is this person? And she's like, oh, he's a prominent businessman. I was like, well, I would hope so. I know, but you know, I, I hope it's not some kid lives in his parents' basement and a slyly took out a second mortgage on the house or something, but for God's sakes, that's a, yeah, that's a lot of money. You know, I, I've watched football with the kids and I'm like, hey, you should pay me $500 to watch football

because I know it's mostly Simmons, but I now have a- No, it's a combo. And they want nephew Kyle. They want to see when he sneaks off for 10 minutes. You don't know where he goes. He comes back. There's a faint odor of nicotine. He'll get the whole experience.

We're going to watch it in my office. We might have special food surprises. And this is just great. So whoever did that final bid, and thanks to everybody who bid for that, we are humbled and honored by the whole thing. And shout out to our friend, John Carlin. Okay.

The barely watchables. Oakland is home. Oakland is two and two. At what point did we eat crow? We thought this team was going to go like four and 12 again. I know. They were good today. They were good.

They played well in that game. They beat up your team. You don't want to talk about it, but you're Colts. I do want to talk about it just quickly. I was really worried about this Colts. I threw them in a tease just out of respect on million-dollar picks just because they'd won so much money for me three weeks in a row. But without T.Y. Hilton, that's a different team.

They don't have a single receiver you would 100% trust. And that was one problem. The other problem was just Carr was getting rid of the ball, and they were running the ball, and they just were able to control the game. And they got the lead early, and that was it. I don't know. He'll show flashes of brilliance, and it's a little annoying

because we like to write guys off. We want to be negative most of the time. Yeah, I'd still like to be negative most of the time. One or $90,000 bidder. That's how we operate mostly. But yeah, and Mack is banged up too, right, for the Colts? He is banged up. They still, they almost got back into it. mostly but yeah and Mac is banged up too right for the Colts he is banged up they still they

almost got back into it but um I think there's a couple teams this year I would I would definitely the all-time example this year is the Titans and I think the Raiders are like this too where if they can get the lead early and kind of calm down and just do the run the ball, kill the clock, play action, get rid of the ball fast. Just play like nice conservative game management, protect the lead that actually look like pretty good teams. And I think the Titans are a team that if they're up 7-0, you have to start taking them seriously. If they go down 10-3 or 13-3, like cross them off.

It's over. They had a guy. The Titans had some guy today. I got to be honest. I don't, we didn't really know who it was. And he had two touchdowns. The guy, A.J. Brown. Brown, right?

Yeah. Am I supposed to know who that is? No, but it's another Brown. It's another receiver, Brown. I think this is, is it Englewood Brown or is it Dollywood Brown? What would we call him? I don't, I'm going to look him up right now. I think he has to be Dollywood Brown.

He's from Tennessee. He's been good, I guess, for the four weeks, but it's just like today he looked like Megatron. Yeah. When you're watching him, it's like, oh my God, that guy's, it's like young Terrell Owens. But apparently, you know, I've worked with Clay Travis. It was all Tennessee, Tennessee, Tennessee. Apparently, Mariota is the only starting quarterback who hasn't turned the ball over this year.

Is that true? I don't know if that's true. I'm going to have to look that up. But it sounds like something that might be true that we would get angry at. Well, that would make me angry. Well, this guy, he had another rookie receiver. Yeah. This class

of rookie receivers is way, way up there. And then now, Danny Kelly wrote about this for The Ringer. People think next year's rookie class is even better for receivers. We're in this receiver boon right now. Let's pick two guys for rookie of the year because I have a feeling it's going to be like a

12-1 long shot that could pull it in. So let's look at this tomorrow, and then I'll update people on the pod. It doesn't have to be Murray. It doesn't have to be Jones. I think it could be – it's not normally a quarterback anyway. If Minshew is double figures, I actually think that's a pretty good one. Yeah, we'll take a look. Yeah.

All right, barely watchable. So Oakland coming off a really impressive Colts game. I was kind of shocked by how competent they look. They're hosting the Bears, and I have this right in the Vegas zone. I have Bears by five and a half over the Raiders. All right, I don't know what to do with you here because you got it right. I said four, and it's five. Now, you said they're hosting the Bears. They're not really hosting the Bears. This one's in London. I don't know if you ever because you got it right. I said four and it's five. Now you said they're hosting the Bears.

They're not really hosting the Bears. This one's in London. I don't know if you ever knew it was in London. You said you'd know. I forgot to mention it was in London. I knew one of the games was in London. So it is five. But now I don't even know why there's a line on this.

Usually when the starting quarterback's out, they'll drop it Sunday night. But I guess, what are they saying? Are they saying it doesn't matter if it's Trubisky or Daniel maybe they forgot it's in London I don't know what why they made a line on this I can tell you from my experience it doesn't really matter if it's Daniel or Trubisky yeah I guess yeah Saints are home they're playing Tampa wow what do you have this in the barely watchable yeah you know what this should be in the watchables this is for first place

I can't even think now no this should absolutely be in the watchables it was because I did this yesterday morning and I forgot to move them yeah this is for first place I think Tampa's in first this is a fun game the Bucs are legitimately fun

and their season started out horrifically. And even when they have the lead, they're still fun because Jameis could throw the ball to the other team at any point. I guess Byron Lefkowitz is the play caller now, and that's making a world of difference offensively. He did a nice job today. I liked all the stuff they ran. I feel bad for Arians, though.

Every time I look, there's always a dumb penalty that's going to do them. First of all, that guy, Masib, jumped off sides. The Rams lineman definitely moved. But yeah, you just point. You don't run to the other side of the field. And they didn't catch it. So Tampa gets called for the offside. There was a slapping the center penalty.

I just look at Arians. I'm like, oh, he's not going to last, this poor bastard. He's going to be hospitalized. But just look at Arians. I'm like, oh, he's not going to last, this poor bastard. He's going to be hospitalized. But they are fun to watch. Jameis is going to send them to the hospital. I have the Bucs getting six in New Orleans. We split this. I said five.

It's five and a half. I haven't heard the word teaser mentioned once. The teaser basket? Yeah. I'm not throwing this one in. We should have just stuck to our guns. We like Kansas City and New England, teaser basket. I know.

I love the Rams, and you could only tease them down to three. I had to start getting creative with six and a half. Like, why just do the Chiefs, Pats? Why am I overthinking it? Yep. Vikings are at the New York football Giants. And if you're a Giants fan

and a Mets fan, first of all, that's a weird combination. But if you're a Giants fan and a Mets fan, between Pete Alonzo and Danny Dimes, what a month for you. Congratulations to you. Hey, the Mets hit the over. They were over 85 and a half. Our friend Joe House had under. And the Mets won today in the 11th inning on a three-run homer. Hey, the Mets hit the over. They were over 85 and a half. Our friend Joe House had under,

and the Mets won today in the 11th inning on a three-run homer. So poor House loses again. But yes, Pete Alonso and 53 home runs. Pretty good. Was this the most entertaining 85-win Mets season of all time? I think, you know what's weird? If you would have told me beginning of the year that the Mets would have more wins than the Cubs and Red Sox, I would have said, oh, we're playing in October. No question about it. Yeah, that is weird. I don't like it, though. I don't like sitting there.

It is sad when baseball season's over, but we'll be back. I have the Vikings favored by five in Giants Stadium. By the way, I think you're right to make this barely watchable. I said three and a half. You're going to get it. It's exactly five. I almost, I don't love the road teams.

I almost want to put the Vikings in the teaser basket here. Cousins, Matt Ryan. There's a handful of quarterbacks. I'm just never putting in a tease ever. And again, in my life, cousins is up there.

Not a great day for him today. It's just Dalvin Cook couldn't get going. I don't see the Giants stopping it. That Redskins team throws everybody off. Makes you think you're good. Cousins had, what was that? Who was that? Thielen that he had all the way down the field?

Or was it Diggs? That he missed. That he missed. He was open by four yards. And that would have swung that game. Because they never made Chase Daniel have to actually sweat. No. And if they had just gotten on the board,

I think that game could have gone differently. Yeah, it was too little too late. Fourth quarter, they got moving. They hit Diggs on a fourth down and won or something. It needed to catch up too much. Oh, you know what? That's another team. Remember I said how the Titans and the Raiders,

if they have a lead or different teams? The Vikings are like that too. Right. If they're up 10-0, 13-3, you feel like all of a sudden they can kind of be who they are. But when they're down, you just kind of give up. Yeah. Eagles.

Most teams will probably have a better record up 10-0, but I know what you're saying. No, but there's certain teams that are like, oh, we're not out of this. They can come back. And when it's the Vikings, you just go, oh, you know, but there's certain teams that are like, oh, we're not out of this. They can come back. And when it's the Vikings, you just go, oh, yeah, it's over. Yeah. Eagles at home playing the aforementioned terrible Jets.

And, man, we just have a lot of high lines this year. This has to be a record for high lines. This is your highest eliminator pick for week five. I have Eagles minus 15 at home. I'm going to get this. I said 13 and a half, and it's 14 but I I suspect it'll rise to your number there the only thing is the Jets have had a week off so I don't know how much they're gonna prepare they've had a week off to be sad I mean is is Darnold definitely out with

mono like is mono one of those things where on Wednesday you can be cleared to play or they know it's gonna be weeks and weeks. Never had mono. I don't know enough about it. Kyle? Kyle, you've had mono. You've had mono. I've had mono during football season. I think it just matters if his spleen is enlarged because it can explode if you get hit. I think they just got to

take a look at the spleen. Was Kyle admitting that he's once had mono the biggest lock in the history of this podcast? What did he say? I had it during football season. Yeah, seventh grade. Seventh grade. Oh, I see. Oh, yeah.

Okay. I gotcha. He got it from a 12th grader. The Patriots are in Washington. God, what a schedule for the Patriots this year. Yeah. They're catching Washington with Dwayne. I'm not nearly ready enough.

Haskins and Case. I guess I'm finished and I'm headed to the XFL Keenum. And their coach, who knows if that coach is even going to be there for this game. I mean, at this point, don't you let Gruden get the shit kicked out of him this week and then fire him? Why would you fire him now and then have the new guy start against the Patriots? You're not doing that. I can't believe Dan Snyder's held on to him this long, honestly.

He might not even know he owns the team. Pats minus 16 is my guess. That's exactly what I had. It's only 14 and a half. Maybe they saw our offense today. But your defense should crush this team. Crush. I know you don't want to just go by what you just saw,

but they couldn't get anything going against the Giants. Our defense is unbelievable. I really love it. I was going to throw eight picks. Kyle and I were saying today that today was like Belichick's dream game. Yeah. His son got involved in some sort of possibly shady thing that made the other coach mad.

Brady did absolutely nothing and looked like dog shit the whole game. And it was like defense and special teams and just smart coaching won the game. Belichick, he's fucking wearing a smoking jacket right now, smoking a stogie, just saying, oh man, what a great game. God, I had a good time today. See how happy he was when they clinched it? He was doing like, he has like the shades of happiness on the sidelines after a win. This was like the full scale Bel Belichick, going, walking

around, hugging different people. He loved it. Are you saying because Brady had nothing to do with it? I think he likes it a little bit more if it's more of a Belichick-y kind of a win. For sure. He's definitely like at some point he's with his son. They're eating at some coffee shop at midnight tonight.

He's probably like, hey, Steve, did you see brady's stats starts laughing uh yeah no i think he enjoys it franchise unbelievable well you're not getting rid of us anytime soon so bad jamie collins is the best i think we what are we paying him like ten dollars an hour he went got 50 million dollars from cleveland and now i think he's playing for free definitely not what he has i don't know what to say one touchdown in a month it's insane an hour. He went and got $50 million from Cleveland and now I think he's playing for free. I don't know what to say. One touchdown in a month. It's insane. Panthers at home

playing the Jags. This one's a bummer. These are two teams that I've actually enjoyed backing and I probably would have bet on it. Unfortunately, they're playing each other. Two good quarterback stories. You have two forms of cats that can be a little bit dangerous from time to time. Expansion teams.

Expansion teams. We're in the South. There's just a lot to love here. And naturally, the line has to be Panthers by three. It was three. It went to three and a half. You're going to get it either way because I said two and a half. So, yeah, you're rolling me this week, I think.

Five, six to, I don't know, seven to six. Not too bad. Cam's doing the whole, yeah, my foot was hurt more than I let people want to let. I caution people much like you did Atlanta, Houston, and it's involving the same division, so go figure. But this is a good stay away for betters, I think. Yes. You might be in love with Gene Minshew.

You might be in love with Kyle Allen. Yeah, stay away. Take a week. Take the love affair off for a week. I'm down. Stay away. Last one from the barely watchables. The Chargers are home.

They're playing a Denver team that's 0-4 and with a couple breaks could easily be 3-1. And took the lead late. Flacco led a nice little drive and then of course they ended up blowing it. But what'll be interesting

about this one even though it's in LA a lot of Denver fans. Oh yeah. I would say 70-75% Denver fans. Really? yeah. I would say 70% to 75% Denver fans. Really? That many?

Yeah. I think Denver has a few generations worth of fans. I'm going to say Chargers by six and a half. I said, oh, you get it again. Damn. I said Chargers by six. It is six and a half. You're hitting these exactly.

And you did these yesterday? No, I tweaked them today after the weekends. Well, I'll say, you know, I don't understand this Vic Fangio defense. Like you said, they're in every game, and then they just seem to blow it. And Fournette, who wasn't getting anywhere going anytime soon,

it looks like Walter Payton today. It's weird. I'm so glad that... It's not fun watching Flacco play from behind. That's for sure. I'm so glad House and I berated you into not betting on the Broncos anymore after week two. You didn't bet. Did you sneak bet them?

I snuck. Oh, no. God. You're the worst. 14-3. We told you not to bet them anymore. Why did they blow? Why should G. Minch go on the road?

Denver is supposed to be a tough place to play. Why should he win that game? Even Joe Flacco's family doesn't believe in Joe Flacco anymore. What are you doing? I might be related to him. I don't know what's going on. Sal needs to be revived, so maybe this will revive him. WWE

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What do you think? You've met my son. Do you honestly think we're not going to this? We're going to have fun. Rob Stone will be there. We're going to talk to Matt Leinart. He's bringing his kid. We're going to have a good time. My son cares more about this than he does about school, his 3-0 flag football team, his base, all that stuff.

He's just very focused on SmackDown. We're going, right? Dad, Dad, you're going to be home in time, right? Dad, Dad. Meanwhile, he's turning 12 in like a month and a half. Yeah. Anyway, October 4th, the greatest night of superstars the WWE has ever seen.

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And he's both terrified and excited to meet the undertaker if it should ever happen. So it's going to be interesting. Your five-year-old getting into wrestling at age five was the lock of 2019. Yeah, exactly. I would have guessed right around now was when he got snookered into it. Because this is when it went bended.

I told my wife, and this is more of a parent corner thing, but I told my wife, I said, you know, after Friday, October 4th, we're going to lose him. He's going to go to this live event, and that's it. It's not going to be any more dumb iPad watching this YouTube of this stupid father who plays games with his kid and everything. It's going to be wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. She's like, oh, no, no.

I was like, all right, you watch. Well, you should go look at when we had to go to MMA stores to buy 150-pound dummies for my son to do moves on. Right. Wait till you get to that stage. MMA stores. I'm sitting right now in my little back house next to a giant neon polar bear stuffed animal

that Ben got at Dave & Buster's that he does moves on. Are you sure that's not Kyle who fell asleep? No, it's definitely this thing. All right. A couple more games for Guest Alliance. The Poopfecta, the Kendall Royce poop bed. I got two in here this week. Bengals cards in Cincinnati.

This looks awful. The cards are pretty tough to watch. They're a rough hang. Kyler Murray, every once in a while, he breaks a play because none of his guys can block and then runs around for a while and does something. It's like, oh, cool. That was fun. Did you know Larry

Fitzgerald set the all-time record for I think receptions today? No, you probably didn't know, right? Really? It's so sad for him. He did it and they were down 17 and I don't think they stopped the game or anything. Yeah. That's tough.

I have the Bengals by four at home against Arizona. Yeah, you get this one too. I think I'm toast here. I said five and a half. It's four and a half. It's straight right there in the Vegas zone. Two bad teams. The other poop fact of the game, I just hate watching the Titans.

So they're always going to be in the poop fact unless proven differently. You could argue this is a watchableable I just plan on not watching this game Titans Music City Miracle you don't care about the 15 times they're going to show that no I do care about Chris Berman doing it on

Primetime on ESPN Plus 20 years ago today teach Titans I have them favored by one and a half at home against Buffalo. You went a little light. I said three and a half.

It's three. So I'll get that one. That could be a really boring low-scoring game. Or either team going by 40. You're right. Tough, tough week for the teaser basket. It is empty right now. And we only have two games left.

You're right. Yeah, you shake it out only have two games left. You're right. Yeah, you shake it out and turn it upside down. You're right. There's nothing in it. I don't know. Philly minus eight if you go on a teaser

couldn't be bad and New England minus eight. You don't think they maybe we do it differently. They just bet teams to win by double digits. Maybe we shouldn't gamble anymore. Sunday night.

Indianapolis. We'll see if T.Y. Hilton plays. If he doesn't, I would bet the Chiefs here. Chiefs minus four at Indianapolis. We'll see if T.Y. Hilton plays. If he doesn't, I would bet the Chiefs here. Chiefs minus four at Indianapolis. That is my guess. Oh, boy, you did it. Well, I have to commend you.

You went how many games? Six, nine, 12, 14 games. You screwed up the home team, but you made it to the night game before you did it. It's at Kansas City? Chiefs are home. Let me look it up, but I'm almost positive. All right, I'll forfeit this pick.

Really? Yeah, I'll forfeit it. It's pretty close. You sure? I'll stick with Chiefs minus four. Let me make sure I'm correct here. I don't know. Wait, am I correct?

What? Chiefs minus four. Yeah, all right. I said 10 and a half. It's nine and a half. Okay. Chiefs minus Wait am I correct What Chiefs minus four Yeah alright I said ten and a half It's nine and a half Okay Well I don't know If that's a teaser game

But they're not losing I would have said Seven and a half anyway Alright That line Let me see if this matters Three four five six Seven eight nine

Just going on Eight alright I have to get it to tie I'm going on the record I think the Colts Could win this game No Yeah I do I thinkts could win this game no yeah

I do I think they could win this game hmm I think they're a live live live mega dog how many do you have to score though

I think they can win the game I think they were looking ahead to this Chiefs battle and the Raiders kind of caught them by surprise. They had some injuries, all that stuff. But don't count out my Colts in this game. There is always a weird night game for Andy Reid. Well, you know what?

Maybe that's it. Jason Garrett reared his ugly head tonight. Maybe it's Andy Reid's turn because you know there's always one or two of those there. Monday night, I'm hitting this exact. San Francisco hosting, the Browns of Cleveland. I have the 49ers by four.

Oh, yes. I eke out a tie. I said two and a half, and it's three. Really? Beautiful. How did you tie? This is a fun game. I killed you this week.

No, no, no. Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. I think you added them. We had a lot of ties. Two, three, four, five, seven, eight, nine, three, six. Yeah, 9-9. Promise. If you give us each a win for a tie, it's 9-9.

Well, so we have no teasers and a lot of teams that we like playing each other. Yeah. And a lot of teams that we don't like playing each other. Yep. What are the two late games? Sunday? Late afternoon, Dallas hosting Green Bay, Chargers hosting Broncos.

Oh, so they're just going for like the giant Dallas-Green Bay record. We know what you're up to there, NFL. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Oh, the big Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Oh, the big number, yeah. Yeah. Come on.

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with my concussion story last week with my son, or my 15-year year old son's friend a 14 year old and uh but he's all right everything's fine this this is uh this is more of a feel-good story so um but it's gonna sound obnoxious to start off because it was one day it was like a tuesday and we had the cleaning lady only comes once a week i don't want to sound too too crazy too presentious uh and the window washers who never ever come but i don't want to sound too too crazy two presenters uh and the window washers who never ever come but we weren't able to see outside our windows were so filthy we

finally broke down and got uh window washers to come to the house so cleaning lady and the window washers are there the same day that's tuesday wednesday we get a text from the cleaning lady, tough to read little language barrier, but she says the oldest boy, I put his money in the black suit in his closet. So that the window washers couldn't get to it. I was like, Oh wow. That's nice.

First of all, I don't know why my son has money in the first place, but you know, she took the money and put it away because she thought some of the strangers were going to take it. So I said to my son, I was like, what happened? He was like, oh, yeah, I wondered about that. I had like $110 out on my end table, and it was gone. I was like, well, why didn't you say anything?

He's like, I thought the housekeeper took it and I didn't want to rat her out. What a good kid. Wow. Yeah. Pretty good. Wait a second. Why did he have $110? Well, that's the other thing.

Now I'm going to find out he's like selling meth in the courtyard or something. He's not such a good kid. But no, I think he got it from like babysitting and stuff. It doesn't matter. He lost his effing phone in the camping. So he's going to have to pay, use that to pay that anyway. But anyway, the sentiment is nice. He didn't rat out the cleaning lady. Or maybe the sentiment isn't nice. Maybe you could have had like this

terrible thief in your house and he just would have sat passively and watched it happen. Oh, interesting. Am I looking at this the wrong way? Shit. I see. I don't know how to evaluate anything anymore. This is why I'm a bad parent. oh interesting am I looking at this the wrong way shit see I don't know how to evaluate anything anymore this is why I'm a bad parent this isn't my parent corner but I turned 50 last week oh yeah

and I had talked about how my kids you know aren't really like they don't make cards they don't do stuff like that and how mad I was when my daughter had her one month anniversary of the boyfriend and went to downtown and got her nine gifts and cards. And so needless to say, I turned 50,

um, no card from either of my children. Oh no. No card. Did I get gift from either of them? No, no. You know what I did get though?

That apparently was more meaningful? Instagram posts from each of them on their Instagram stories, including one from my daughter where she wrote, like, a really nice long note on Instagram that she claimed she worked forever on, and it was more important than a card. Wow. And then my son actually did a very nice short thing for him because he's the least sentimental kid who ever lived. They also did a nice little thing with a picture of us.

And they both seem pretty convinced that that's a bigger deal than giving somebody a card because their friends can see it. You know, it's the Instagram currency matters more than just handing somebody a Hallmark card. I don't know how I feel about this. So we're going to have to go to Nephew Kyle for his reaction. Kyle, what matters more to kids under 15?

Well, to the kids. We're talking about kids. Yeah, so the kids, they kind of do- The kids get something out of it, though. They probably took a good picture of them or like a cute one where people are going to DM them. Like, oh my God, you look so cute in that picture when you're four is that way you know right so it ties into the the narcissistic era we live in now where now we're raising a generation

of kids who can't even give a card because they would rather actually be in the be in the quote unquote card themselves they would they also want to win with the card. Yeah. They're not going to get any likes out of filling out a card for you. No. They get one like. You're going to read it twice and then you're going to throw it out. It's a one liker for them. They're not going to do that.

So Friday night, my daughter's boyfriend comes over, brings me a card. Oh. Oh, no. Wrote me a really nice card with a note. I'm like, I didn't get a card from either kid and my freaking daughter's cool boyfriend, Colin, got me a really nice card with a note I'm like I didn't get a card from either kid And my freaking daughter's cool boyfriend Colin got me a card Now I like the kid even more Now I'm going to be devastated when they break up

Wow yeah you have to make sure they don't break up Oh that's big Well you know what you should tell your kids From now on Take a picture, take a video of the card And then put that on Instagram. I still want a freaking card. Get some likes out of it. Yeah, I think everyone wins in that scenario.

Well, that's not even my parent corner. Got home today and there were these packages at the front door said Ben Simmons in them. Immediately, my reaction as you you can guess, is, oh no. It's two different packages.

One of them contained two things, vampire blood, which looked like an oil thing. And then the other thing was Hollywood quality FX latex wound. So you can put these things out and it makes it look like you've had latex wound. Right. So I'm like, all right, that's really weird. What's in the other box? It was a fake axe. A fake axe?

Yeah, an axe. An axe. Like Jack Nicholson in The Shining. So he had a fake knife a few weeks ago, right? So now he has a fake knife, a retractable fake knife. Now he has a fake axe and he has vampire blood and latex wounds. So naturally I had to ask him, like, are you a serial killer? And he said, no, no, I'm getting ready for Halloween.

And that was his answer to that. It is a little more disturbing if it's February and these things are coming to the door. I understand. I think you may be getting the fact. It's awesome. So my dad, who they call Papa Doc, because he's Dr. Bill, they call him Papa Doc. When he comes, Ben always ropes him into buying him stuff on Amazon. He calls him Papa Zon.

So he's like, let's go to, can we go to Papa Zon.com? And then my dad, because kids figure out pretty quickly, like the grandparents, especially when they don't live in the same place, they're just the easiest marks there are, right? Like, they're just so desperate to win over affection over the course of two. They're cramming three days of friendship and affection, whatever else, that now has to last for the next three months until they see the grandkids again.

So they're basically the easiest mark on the planet. My son realized that pretty quickly and now gave him the nickname Papa Zahn. So now my dad now gets something out of it. He's like, yeah, Papa Zahn time. It's like a whole thing. He's enjoying it. Meanwhile, he's getting his credit card just you know filleted and then my son

who 50-50 chance he graduates college but I still feel like he's gonna be successful because his brain operates this way just sees my

my dad as Papa Zahn the person who can buy him FX latex wounds vampire blood and an axe at a moment's notice. So there you go.

That's my parent corner. Oh, I see. That's great. Yeah. There you go. Well, I could have at least picked up a card for you, as long as you're shopping, right? Again, it's only one like. Cards are a one like gift.

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How many times have you watched that movie? Just the once. It's pretty good. It's kind of aging nicely. Yeah good it's kind of aging nicely yeah it's kind of aging nicely he ends up not taking the franchise quarterback after he traded up

three first rounders to get him for two reasons one was that he got information that none of his teammates went to his birthday party.

That was reason number one. Reason number two was that in a game where he got sacked four times by the guy the Browns eventually draft, he seemed a little rattled in the game. And that was it. Those were his two reasons. Draft day is amazing. He trades for the number six pick of the draft.

He trades three second round picks and then turns that pick around and trades it for three firsts. I was trying to think if this happened in real life, how we would react to this. Well, see, this is where you could make a good movie and not just be so sensationalized everything. If they paid some guy, Lombardi or some former GM or something, $10,000,

hey, will you take a look at this script? What looks like you would turn the channel here? That would be it, I think. And what's funny is I still really like the movie. I like at the end when he's trading the six pick and he goes, I want my picks back and I want David goddamn Putney. I like at the end when he's trading the sixth pick and he goes, I want my picks back and I want David goddamn Putney. I like that part. Draft day is pretty good.

That was his back and to the left moment comparison in JFK. Yeah, yeah. All right. Anything to plug? You have a lot of things to plug. Yeah, Jesus. I will be on Thursday Night Football pregame show. Yeah. Jesus. I will be on a Thursday night football pregame show. Yeah.

Viewing the Seahawks and Rams. I'm on lock it in. I need your help this week. I've won the crown for the fourth consecutive week. Oh my God. These guys shouldn't even get paid for September. I'm crushing them. But as part of a win,

you get a free $500 future on locking in. I've already used the Patriots and Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. I don't want to take an NFC team because I think it's too erratic. I don't really want to take the Astros because it's like plus 225. I'm looking at NBA without going crazy. NBA? Yeah, I could get anything that pays off between now and the end of June. I can get Lakers at plus 400.

I can get Clippers at plus 333. The Bucks plus 450. Sixers 8-1. Golden State 12-1. Or Rockets 8-1. I could go Utah, Denver, all those two, obviously. Anything jump out at you? Yeah.

Denver's 18. Utah's 14. First of all, thanks for coming here. I really appreciate that you came to me. It was such an important thing. Celtics 22-1. It has to be a long shot bet? No, no, no. It could be whatever.

If you're going to tell me Clippers at plus 333, I'm like, I'd rather just take the Astros and watch for the next couple of weeks. Okay. I really like Denver to win the NBA Northwest at plus 140. Ooh. NBA Northwest. I don't know why they're not favored to win the division,

and I don't know why I seem to be higher on Denver than everybody else, but that one jumped out to me for NBA. So Utah's the favorite there. Utah is the favorite. And Portland's a little better than 3-1. Yeah. I also, I just think Anthony Davis's MVP odds are still too high. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I didn't even think of that. He's 8-1. I'm not allowed to bet on this because I have a vote. Gotcha. he's he's eight to one i'm not allowed to bet on this because i have a vote gotcha but lebron's already laying all the groundwork for trying to oh yeah we went through this yeah we went through this i don't just know what his numbers would have to be well if the lakers are really good it's going to be because he's really good it's going to be like, you know, he averages 29 and 14 or some crazy.

So Lakers are really good. Anthony Davis stands out above LeBron. What would LeBron's numbers have to be for both those things to happen? I think he scales it back a little

and tries to do like the 22 a night with like eight rebounds and eight assists. I also think that team is actually going to be, the early signs is they might actually be good defensively. That Vogel's really committing them to defense.

I don't know. As a Lakers hater, I'm starting to get worried that they actually, I might have underestimated them. All right, let me look at that. And maybe even Lakers to win the West, it sounds like you're saying. Nah, I wouldn't go that far. All right.

There's some interesting Paul George stuff, though. Nobody seems to know when he's coming back. Oh, yeah. There was something out yesterday about him. Which I had heard. I had heard the two people that are way less close to coming back than everyone seems to realize are him and Oladipo. Like, Oladipo might not come back to the All-Star break.

Right. And then Paul George, he had the double surgeries. Can I give you, only because I actually follow the American League? Yeah. You wouldn't say Astros?

You're going to say Twins. I would. I just think the Yankees, the fact that the 18-game winner had the domestic violence thing and he's out for the playoffs, I thought that was significant. I feel like they're almost a cross-off.

I don't see the Twins at all. I don't see the Athletics at all. And I don't really see the Rays either. I wouldn't take either of the wild card teams. That's too... I would hate to be out after that first game. My point is I don't understand why the Astros are only minus

140. I thought they were actually going to be like minus 250, something like that. I was thinking of taking them for the whole series. You'd say for the... For the AL title, they're minus 140, which is nuts. Cole, Cole and Verlander just ripped off two of the great,

like four month runs to combine that any two starters have ever had in the same team. And I don't know. I just, there's something, there's a new stat that everyone loves. It's called like balls in play and astros defense astros pitching is best balls in play like in in years or something like that's that makes a difference obviously it would

make sense come playoff time so um yeah that's that's a good because their lineup could go soft for like three days and wouldn't matter really right yeah i have a i have one more for you alright did you look at the Christmas day lines no I didn't see hold on let me pull them Celtics getting two in Toronto Sixers favored by three and a half against the Bucks

the Nuggets are favored by eight and a half against New Orleans Lakers laying a half against New Orleans. Lakers laying a point against the Clippers. Yeah. And then the Rockets getting a point against Golden State. You are really looking ahead here.

I just really like the Rockets this year. I guess is my point. I was trying to think of a way that you could do a Rockets bet and I was thinking by the time that game actually comes around it's probably Rockets by four really? yeah that would be my guess so I don't know if you wanted to think about that one too alright see I'm going to be up to like

2.30 in the morning now trying to analyze this well the Rockets are only 3-1 to win the Southwest I don't know who the fuck's beating them it's not going to be San Antonio it's not going to be Dallas it's not going to beating them. It's not going to be San Antonio. It's not going to be Dallas. It's not going to be New Orleans. It's not going to be Memphis. So unless they're going to add teams to that division, I think they're going to be good.

I think Westbrook's, I think as a regular season team, that team's going to be good. I don't know about the playoffs. I think all the same problems could surface, but just day in, day out, 82 games, that team's going to be good. Like really good. I think they have a chance to be the best team.

I have 11 things written down. I swear to God, I'm going to analyze this for the next three hours. I'll also send you some special effects latex wounds that you can put on your body for tomorrow. Oh, good. Good, good, good. I'll go up in my

son's end table and send you $80 that he's not watching over. So loyal to that housekeeper though. Yeah, no kidding. It's unbelievable. Can I ask an unseemly question? The housekeeper is not like cute, right? It's not like a, he doesn't have a crush on her, right?

No, he doesn't have a crush on her. Because this is the beginning of like about 40 different Cinemax movies that I saw in the 80s and 90s. I don't think it goes in that direction, no. Mr. Archie, I'm sorry I took the money. I needed it. I will tell my dad. How bad do you need it?

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