The Bill Simmons Podcast - An Awesome ‘F1’ Movie and Superman Expectations With Van Lathan and Charles Holmes

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Van Lathan Jr. to talk about Joseph Kosinski’s ‘F1’ film, starring Brad Pitt and Damson Idris (2:16), before discussing Pitt’s acting career. Then, Charles Holmes joins the pod to try to convince Bill to watch James Gunn’s ‘Superman’ (59:01). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Van Lathan Jr. and Charles Holmes Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo This episode is presented by State Farm®. Dishing the assists you need off the court. State Farm® with the Assist. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Coming up later, Van Lathan is gonna talk to me about F1, a spectacular sports movie with Brad Pitt that's out in the theaters now. We tried not to do a lot of spoilers until the end of the pod, but we talked for like an hour about the movie. So like in the last 10 minutes of that, we start talking a little bit about some heavy plot stuff. And then at the end, Charles Holmes came on with van that's bands, midnight boys partner. And we talked about whether I should see Superman or not and where I stand with the ringer verse. Cause I know that's keeping you up at night. Uh, do I,

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I'm not a giant F1 fan, neither are you. Never seen F1 race before the movie. Ben Simmons, my son, on the way home, is like, I think I might get into F1. It's like one of those kind of movies It was better than I thought I'll start here. I Can't believe this actually worked out that this movie they spent all this money on with 61 year old Brad Pitt as a as a Formula one driver. Yeah, a little problem kind of old

And then you hear the story about how they're spending money, spending, oh my God, Apple, Apple's involved, Apple's had some busts. They're doing it for IMAX. It feels like Days of Thunder, kind of, for 2025. There's a lot of signs that this might not work out. And instead it worked out great. And I think it's one of the best sports movies

of the 21st century, although that far. Sexy movie. Sexy part. Sexy movie. Sexy movie. Sexy movie. Sometimes when you use the term sexy for a movie, you think, God, there's a lot of sexy, sex-having people in the movie. No, movie is sexy.

Cars look sexy. The wardrobe is beautiful. It moves with a certain pace. It's a sexy film, it's a sleek film, it's a stylish film. It also does something else. You go into the movie, or the movie assumes that you don't know shit about F1. So it builds the lore of the sport.

People that know a lot about F1, I wonder how they would have responded to it, because maybe they're being, maybe you're watching a basketball game and they go, if you get double figures in three different statistical categories, that's known as a triple double. Maybe if you watch a lot of basketball,

you'd be like, I don't need you to tell me that I'm not a moron. This movie held my hand through the F1 driving and gave me a very simple and easy to go on to story. And that made for a really, really satisfying experience in the theater. Yeah, the only time it really grabbed your hand and was like, look, we gotta really explain this to you

was some of the, I'll do some spoiler alerts later, but there was some tire stuff in one of the climactic races that they were really carefully telling us, like, here's why this is important Boba Boba tires tires what I mean is that yeah I never felt like I was being talked down to like you do in some sports movies right like that That's what I mean what I mean is it's like okay? There's drama in here. I don't understand your sport. So why is this dramatic? Oh my god. He's got switches tires Jesus

Yeah, I switch his tires two guys. They're on the same team He's got switches tires. Jesus. Yeah, got switches tires. There's two guys that are on the same team There's a bunch of teams right this team's the worst team This other team has had it gone through all these drivers. They're so desperate. They're gonna go with this old washed-up guy All right, you could understand all of it though. I mean there's some stuff about when they would do laps Where it would be like lap 54? I'm like, I don't how many many laps are in this race. And then be like, four laps to go. Okay, I guess there's four laps to go. But for the most part, I didn't feel like it talked down to me, which I like, I thought, as you know,

I love movies when I go into a world. Love just like take me into this world. So we're in different cities and countries every week. Big part of it. There's like this whole rich person scene with like those little clubs. Like I've never been to an F-1, have you? No. There's like these, it's almost like these big ass luxury boxes with parties. Yeah.

And all this money and all this ego. I've seen some of it. Like I watched the first season of Drive to Survive. I liked it. And there's a lot there. The drivers have a mystique about them. So it made sense that Brad Pitt versus like, I mean you were, one of the things you said when we were talking before was it's a little bit the Top Gun Maverick blueprint. Certainly, yeah, it's Brad Pitt's Top Gun Maverick. But look. But he brings more to the table at this point in his career,

I think, than Cruise does for a movie like this. Well, with Tom. I need to feel like he might fuck the technician who's running the cars. With Cruise, I'm not gonna feel that way. That's the difference. So also, just saying something, there was age-appropriate love interest here, which- Yeah, Terry Condon.

Yeah, right. So with Brad, you really do get it and believe it, right? You get it and believe it because we you know, we've seen Brad Pitt, he's still incredibly virile and handsome, but we know that he's got some trend on his tires. You know what I mean? Some baggage. He brings the baggage into the movies now.

Brings the baggage into the movies. Cliff Booth, this character. Same thing. It's okay, he's playing off of it. It's working. But everything that you just described about the movie is another reason why I really like this so much. There's nothing on screen that you don't want to watch.

You want to watch Exotic Locals. The cars are beautiful. It's a clean looking movie. So all they got to do after they set the story up is just go fast. That's it. Well, in racing movies, they're the most easy to understand of any sport because it's like there's a checkered flag at the end and whoever drives through first wins it. And it's dangerous.

And they kept doing it. Yeah, it's dangerous. You might have car crashes. They did a really good job. I thought with how they did the scoreboard and the leaderboard and the car is moving up and down. Um, cause we've seen that go badly or we've seen like announcers be like, no, he is in fourth place. Yep.

Just feeling like they're shoehorning in after the fact because the test audience didn't understand. There was none of that. And you know what's dramatic? A pit stop. Yes. Stopping and everybody having to change tires that quickly, build a new car, all of that stuff.

If you can build a drama around that and then make that a visual touch point in your film, that's gonna work. It's a fun world, because you start thinking about the pit crew people. There was that one lady who couldn't, she fucked up a couple of times in tires. Oh, I bet at the end of the movie,

she's gonna be humming with gas. She goes to him and she says, hey, don't encourage me out there. It makes me look weak. There's a whole culture that exists behind it and everything. They're training tennis balls. There's a little Rocky IV in there to where Damson's character is using all the high tech stuff.

And that's kind of like, oh my God. There's a lot of Rocky IV. Right. And then Brad Pitt. He's almost doing the split screens. He's using the tennis balls and running with the crew and in some way that's more effective. It's all the tropes that we've seen before.

Yeah. But I saw this movie in 70 millimeter at City Walk and it was breathtaking. So we should have started, we probably should have started with that because the reason this movie works over every other reason, and I've been watching sports movies my entire life.

We did the longest yard rewatchables a year ago, 1974. That's kind of the modern sports movie. So we're now in year 52 of sports movies. We've done every version of these. What we hadn't done is the IMAX. This is like a fucking exhilarating experience to be in the theater for this. Where you're just like, you're not,

I had to pee for the last hour. And I'm not one of those old guys who has to pee all the time. I just, I had a giant Coke, I had water, I was eating popcorn. And I didn't want to get up. I was like, I don't want to miss anything. I don't know what's going to happen. And you're just sitting there like, ah. They filmed it a certain way.

They knew they spent a shitload of money just because they knew that the IMAX thing was going to be the calling card. And this is, you know, I know fantasy and big picture always talks about how do we save movies? How do we reinvigorate movies? And a big part of this in the last six years was we got to get people going to the theater

Guy give me experience. I can't get it home. This is the ultimate you have to see this in the theater They do these with the superhero movies or like Jurassic Park like it'll be fun to see in the theater big bait It's not a must you can still see it. Whatever this has to be seen in the theater I know I should Fire you just so well can't not do it. It's like whatever Superman. Oh you gotta just you gotta see Superman in the theater. There's no reason to down talk Superman or Fantastic Four to uplift F1. It's fair. Okay. You're right. I'll say this. Good criticism. I'll say this. Sinners as well. Now Sinners is a movie that you think I could definitely watch that at the crib.

But then Ryan Coogler comes out and makes a case as to why this is a theater going experience. So that video that he did, they got like 10 million views with the Kodak people, great. This movie is the type of movie that I go, when I'm talking to somebody, I go, man, you have got to see this on the biggest screen possible because it's so immersive. You're gonna be inside of the race.

Kaczynski is, and we have to start. Well, Joseph Kaczynski, who's, I think, moving up the ladder for me. He's kind of like Tony Scott 2.0 now. That's exactly who he is. He is such an expert blockbuster film maker. He knows the beats that you need to see to marry fantastic action with a big movie star.

And style. And style, just enough plot to get you over the finish line. Yeah, this Tony Scott would have easily made some version of this movie. Yeah, of course. I mean, he did make this movie. Days of Thunder, yeah. But the IMAX piece of it, and just that technology is getting so cool now

that you just got lost in the screen. But this is like when we did, I don't know, we do rewatchables from the 70s and like a movie like Jaws, where the Exorcist and people saw it in the theater and it like blew their mind. Because it's either that or they were home with like a little black and white TV. Now everybody has nice TVs.

You could see Sinners at home. Yeah. I still think it's going to be a better experience in the theater. I've had it both ways. It was just better in the theater. This is like, I think it will be a rewatchable and you'll definitely watch this at home, but I think this was like a must. And I don't know if there's been a sports movie that was before this one where

you were like, you actually had to see this in the theater. Well, not all sports lend themselves to this huge cause most sports movies are driven, not by the actual playing of the sport, right? They're driven by the culture of the sport. Like we did blue chips on the rewatchables. The basketball in Blue Chips, it's not bad, but it's like not a part of the story as much as the culture of college basketball is.

This movie has a dramatic setup to get you to the racing. The racing is the reason why you come see the film. To that point, didn't have enough story for you. Yeah. Kind of a paint by numbers story, but it still worked. Well, I had, I wrote down all the sports movie tropes that it did, because it, and I started to really feel this way, I remember writing a column about this

in the late 2000s, that I had just seen too many sports movies movies and my brain became AI for sports movies. So as soon as they would set something up, I remember I wrote about Invictus. Remember the Matt Damon rugby movie where he's playing a six foot three model at Morgan Freeman in that. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember writing about it's that there's like a South African kid and a cop and they show them early and they're like far away from each other and the cops and I was like, all right, by the end of this movie, they're gonna be high five. You just kind of know your AI brain. It's like I've just seen too many of these.

This movie had a lot of sports movie tropes that you're like old dog, young dog, the best that never was. Right. Seen that one. He could have gotten there, but that thing happened and it sent him in a tailspin but now he's in a good place still something left in the gas tank maybe old guy versus new guys yeah downtrodden team that needed a spark right in this case the apex team mm-hmm the monologue about chasing that one great feeling which not to, I don't feel like we're going to spoil the movie too much, but Brad Pitt has this monologue in the movie

that's really good. I think he would have nailed it more 20 years ago. I want to talk about some Brad Pitt stuff later, but the monologue sets up this moment in the final race that's just fucking awesome. I mean, it's like one of the better sports movie scenes of the last 30, 35 years. And you kinda know when he does the monologue, you're like, all right, I wonder now.

I wonder if there's gonna be an umbilical cord now to what I think might have. And then they fucking nailed it. That is a trope. The sports movie trope of describing a thing and then just waiting until that thing happens. Like in 10 Cup when they're talking about the last time, when he made a crowd pleasing 12.

Well you know what started it was Rocky. Okay. He goes to see where they're having the fight. Remember the promoter's like, I'm sure you'll give us a good fight. Don't care about your shorts. And he goes back and he sees Adrian and he says, not gonna win.

I can't beat him. But if I can just go the distance, nobody's ever been the distance with Creed. And he does this whole Stallone monologue and you're like, oh man, now I just want this guy to go to the dip, like he's planting all the seeds. They kind of do that with this, but after five decades

of these movies, you know when they do the monologue, you're like, all right, we're gonna circle back on this one. But once it actually happens in this film, I'm sitting there and I'm like, because the movie has kind of set up, I guess, at least a shred of belief that things can go wrong. There are some unexpected turns. So once it starts happening for him,

once he gets locked in that zone, I'm just like, man, cross the finish line and win. And if a sports movie gets you to that point, you know that your protagonist is probably going to win at the end. Yeah. But them getting you to is probably going to win at the end. Yeah. But them getting you to want the protagonist to win, that's the goal of the movie.

Well, when I... So I've been writing about sports... Well, I don't write anymore, but when I... I used to write about sports movies all the time. I was like the Roger Ebert of bad sports movies. Oh, you do say. Just like trying to write...

I'd write reviews on anything. I wrote a review of Summer Catch. That's how many sports movies I've covered. That's an important movie though. Well, for you. Yeah. White Girl Hall fan. Yeah, that's one of the movies when I was like that.

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Chill scenes were massively important in sports movies for a long, long time. By chill scene, I mean those scenes when, like Hoosiers has a bunch of them where it's like, they go around the locker room before the big games, like, I wanna win for my dad. And you're just like, oh man. Or like when Ollie hits the two free throws

and everyone explodes and you know, you just, if you have a chance to get goosebumps or you get that little like funny feeling when it's like, oh man, that was great. This movie has a chill scene. What's chill scene? Oh, the last big climactic scene. Oh, a chills, you mean chills.

Yeah, you're just like. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. Goosebumps. Definitely. Definitely. It's got one of those. And it also has like something to where,

something in it that a lot of sports movies do, some of them do poorly, to where you start to wonder if your protagonist is getting on your fucking nerves. Like if this guy's just a loser, right? In this case, Sonny Hayes. Yeah. What a name. Right, if this guy's just a, you know,

you're like, come on, Sonny, don't have sex with the technical leader of the team. Don't do this. I know she's got that little cute Irish accent. She keeps looking at you with those bat nose eyes at you. But Sunny, just stay away from it. Come on, Sunny. Sunny's whole deal and then you're like,

you know what, no, that old Sunny, he's gonna pull through. Get in, get in there, Sunny. Yeah, Sunny's okay. I don't mind it from Sunny. I accept it from Sunny. Yeah. And then I think Damson's part in this movie, Sonny's okay. I don't mind it from Sonny. I accept it from Sonny. And then I think Damson's part in this movie,

because this is not a character that there's asked much of. However, but he brings a lot to the table somehow. What you needed was someone who could charisma movie star their way through. It's a very important role in his career. Cause I'm like, oh, when he's on screen, he is worthy to be next to Brad Pitt. Cause you could easily get bowled over by the charm

and the magnetism, should I say, of Brad Pitt. But he never really does. Also, like on paper, it's like, Brad Pitt, old grizzled white hero guy, here's your cocky black counterpart. It's like, alright, this could go, this could go, well, here's your cocky black counterpart. Yeah. It's like, all right, this could go. This could go, well, I'm saying this is on paper. Is that this?

On paper, this is. Wait a minute. Is that it? Wait a minute. Is that this? Is this old grizzled? When you saw the- Have you been F-1ing this situation from the time I've been at the ring of cocky?

Is cocky black counterpart erroneous in any way? It's not. It's not. I'm just wondering if I'm either cocky black counterpart. But they set up the trailer and you're like, all right, I get what this is. But I didn't feel like watching the movie. I actually really liked him. And I kind of saw his side of everything, you know?

Yeah, because we haven't talked about Javier Bardem and I guess we should, but he is the guy that has sacrificed to be the lead driver, and he's got all the potential. He's two in his own head. How is he going to both take the direction from the old wizard, but not lose too much of himself and become him? And at the end, he was like... Well, wait on that point.

Okay, cool. There was like some NBA and NFL parallels with that too, where it's like, I'm a franchise player, that's what my contract says. Exactly. Well your team's not winning. Well, but that's, I have five million people on Instagram. Like the way he was doing it,

we haven't seen a lot of those characters in sports movies just because we're not making as many sports movies that are good anymore. And that specific character is the last 10 years. I am a star because social media and my place and I've done commercials, but I haven't really done anything. But that doesn't matter because,

and I have my guy who's arranging all this stuff and I'm in a race. It's interesting that specific character, because I think of the different generations of sports movies, in this generation we're in now, I don't know other sports movies that have hit that. Well, I think you could argue that there are a couple of reasons.

Number one, we relate to that character more now than we ever have. It's a last seven, eight years thing. Right, in the past we just didn't relate to that guy. That guy that went, hey, make a thing. Right, in the past we just didn't relate to that guy. That guy that went, hey, make a lot of money, become as famous as you possibly can. If you win, cool. If you build great teams and great culture, cool, but you don't have to.

Because now we have arguments where it's like, hey man, if you came up on the $225 million contract and you never got to the conference finals, that's a win. We're very cynical about these things now. F1 is interesting because it's a sport where you could die. So because it's a sport where you could die, that means if you don't do things in the right way and you don't listen and you don't engage in teamwork,

that could be the last race that you run. Right, like Gilbert Arenas wasn't gonna die in the court if the Wizards went 35 and 47. Whereas this guy, well, maybe he was the bad example. Shout out to Gil's Arena. But you never know how it's gonna go in the locker room with Gil, shout out to all of them, I love that show. Let's go Kenny Anderson.

But yeah, but in this situation, remember, he doesn't listen to Sonny, and he ends up out of commission for a little while. Yeah, but he could have told his mom that he didn't listen. Yeah, he did. He let Sonny take the whole fall. Sonny take it. Yeah, I like that character though. And I think when you asked, like, was it a little light on the plot? I don't think it was light on the plot.

It was just familiar. And I don't know if that's the movie's fault because we've just had too many sports movies. I don't really know. Unless you're going to do like what Cameron Crowe was able to do with Jerry McGuire, where you're just completely reinventing a sports movie, right? Where the act where that the star athlete is not even the most important character and it's built around an agent

and this whole world around sports. Which is kind of where movies have gone from a sports standpoint the last, I would say, 15 years. And I think the flipping point was probably Moneyball Range. Oh yeah. There was a movie called Sugar in 2009. That was great. I loved it.

Sugar's in the discussion. I randomly saw that movie on HBO years ago about the Dominican pitcher that comes to him. It's a classic. And he then, he starts really pitching well and it looks like he's a phenom and then it kind of doesn't. Go sideways. Not a ton of dialogue.

No. But just fantastic movie. Almost plays like a documentary. Love that film. Yeah, so, and you saw like the way back with Aflac, Warrior, we moved into a different kind of era of sports movies the last 15 years, where they were more, not like the ones we grew up with,

they're more like movies that also happened to be about sports and character studies. This is like an old school could have come out basically in any decade there would have been some version of it which I thought was cool. Racing movies. So Lamon. I've seen three. Steve McQueen, Lamon. Never saw it. Bobby Deerfield Pacino no some like it Days of Thunder yes driven with last alone and Burt Reynolds where they both have just had all the sudden they weren't cool anymore they both had a lot of plastic surgery I remember writing that they both look like they were in Halloween masks of

themselves and then our boy from remember the Titans What was his name Sunshine? Kip Pardue Yeah, Kip Pardue. What are you playing Remember the Titans? Sunshine? Yeah, yeah, yeah So that was supposed to be his star vehicle and he he literally crashed. Yeah Tao De Good Nights Of course Senna which was a documentary

One of the best sports documentaries of all time. Okay. Rush. Oh, yeah. Rush is great. Yeah, now Rush is. Rush is also probably a top 10 sports movie of the century. A ringer pill movie because I had never seen that movie until I got here and everybody's

like you really need to watch that and then I checked it out. And I think Rush is aged really nicely because people just care about F1 more now. Yeah. And then Ford versus Ferrari was the only other one. There's been some bad ones. Yeah, I saw one. There was one with, and I don't know if I'm making this up, but I feel like there was one with Kenny Rogers

back in the day where he played a race car driver and he had to take care. Stroker ace? I don't think it was stroker ace. He had to take care. Stroker Ace? I don't think it was Stroker Ace. He had to take care of a wayward group of kids. Was it Fat Kenny Rogers or Skinnier Kenny Rogers? I can't remember, man. I'm telling you.

We go back and forth. There was a Kenny Rogers movie where he was a race car driver. I used to come on cable. He had to take place of a group of misfit kids. I did not have that one on my list. Okay, okay. I could be making this up, bro. It's interesting though,

because boxing movies just happen over and over again. We talk about that. It's just, they never, and every, it seems like almost every great actor wants to say, fuck it, I gotta do my boxing movie. I'm gonna get in crazy shape. See, that's a part of it. And it's, and I'm just, people get to see me, you know,

win the big fight in the end, I'll the girl and nobody can resist it and you go through every great actor or good actor who is like over five nine Has probably made one it's it's over five nine. Well, like Pacino never made a boxing right? I guess he could have been like a flat weight but like Denzel Jake Gyllenhaal, they all have to do it. I guess Leo's one of the only ones who didn't do it. It doesn't fit with him. Being a boxer in a movie, he's not really physical in movies. Yeah.

Like it's not, I mean, he sometimes, a little bit. Tom Hardy does the MMA version of it. So, but racing, which I think can really work if you pull it off, but you need the kind of access. I mean, that was another thing. This movie, you were fully immersed because F1 let them fully immerse themselves in the movie. You saw all the drivers, like they're racing.

You know, people like Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton are like kind of borderline villains in the movie because they're trying to beat our guys. Yeah, Lewis is the producer on it. It's also the perfect time for F1 because it's only been in the last five, six years. Like, obviously, you know, pre-pandemic and then a little bit after that,

I've heard people that I know say, hey, Van, you should go to F1 race. It's really just like an awesome weekend. Well, we know, I mean, we know people that just have become addicted to it. Right. You know, people like friends in my life, like people that worked for The Ringer,

people like Rosillo, people that people like friends in my life, like people that work for the Ringer, people like Rosillo, people that just like really got into it, that wake up in the mornings. We started a Ringer F1 show, like I never would have expected to have a F1 show. This movie is like, I was saying I saw Trayvon last night, he was leaving the movie for like the third time, because he loves F1 that much.

Wow. But also, there's a beautiful movie about beautiful, rich, expensive shit, which also speaks to the top. And great locales. And great locales. Going all over the place. You even get to be in Vegas with a nice hotel suite looking out on the strip.

They're driving past the CVS on the strip, and you're like, oh, I know where that is, maybe I should go to the F1 race in Vegas. The villain, the real villain in the movie doesn't appear to like the end of the second act into the third act. Yeah, we meet him, but we don't know he's the villain yet. We meet him, but we don't know he's the villain yet.

There are parts of the film that I think a different writer came in and put in the movie. Was there any part of you that could see the seams in it? Yeah, I mean, there's definitely some, there's some holes. I thought there was a couple parts, you know, they definitely wanted to get the, you do the dip where it's like,

we're riding high, montage, now we're low. Now we're riding up again. Right. And it felt like it was, they tried to do two dips with the accidents. Yeah. Which by the way, one of those accidents I thought was one of the best things It felt like it was, they tried to do two dips with the accidents. Which by the way, one of those accidents I thought was one of the best things I've ever seen filmed in a sports movie. I was like, I don't even know how they did it. Which you're talking about...

The Sonny's one. Sonny's accident, yeah. That was spectacular. And Kazinsky was on Sean's pod talking about how they studied all of these different accidents that actually happened and They didn't like completely recreate them because you can't complete but like try to be in the vicinity of what the actual accident was So it was realistic But I thought that part was great and then We had talk about Brad Pitt yeah, I was about to say that yeah, because that's another giant piece

I mean, there's some really good supporting people in this movie all over the place I thought Carrie Conam was excellent not who you would take like one of the ways they fuck movies up like this is It's like they overcast it. It's like Gail Godot Yeah, Gal Godot is gonna be the they over Going to be the lady who's building the cars. It's like, come on. They put somebody in there. Like, it was like... I think it was...

It's Denise Richards. Yeah, yeah. It's like nuclear physicist, Christmas Jones. Or like Elizabeth Shue in The Saint. Right. It's like... It's like, okay. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Just cast it. Properly cast. She was just cool. It was like, oh man. I like... Because she was in that Colin Farrell movie. She's been in a bunch of stuff. She's a good actress.

Everything that came from that character just has to be believable. It has to be believable that she would leave whatever situation she was in as a smart egghead and go run a racing team or whatever. It has to be believable that she didn't have chemistry with Brad Pitt. Axum is great. I like the way, sometimes movies will have this, like... She was really convincing. Like you could tell she was enchanted by Sonny. She did a good job of just kind of like, you're watching her going, is she falling for this dude? I feel like she is. But you kind of didn't know for a while.

And then by the balcony scene, she's full on hanging on his arm. Like he's got her in a palm. Yeah, she was good. I thought she was a really good character, because that's a character in a sports movie that could go sideways. And then our guy from No Country for Old Men, flip a coin. Oh, Javier Bardem. Javier Bardem.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Flip a coin. All you get mixed in, and it would just become a coin. I just think like, when they have something like that, I just think he should have the haircut. From no country show. But never explained. He's just got a bowl cut the whole time. He's just got the bowl cut. He's just dressed like the guy who's just carrying around one of those air vapor guns.

Quick aside. But I thought he was really good. He was great. Do you know one of the saddest scenes? Just quick aside. The scene between Anton and Carson, which is Woody Harrelson, that is a sad scene. I watched No Country for Old Men twice last week,

I'm not sure why. This is the scene where he's, well Woody Harrelson with all of that charm is sitting there in front of the Grim Reaper and you know he's dead and he's trying to talk his way out of it. This is a really top five sad scenes. That's one of the two movies that has grown on me the most

in the 21st century. We already did it on rewatchables. I saw it and I was like, weird ending. When I saw it in the theater. And then you watch it a couple more times and you're like, that ending was amazing. And now in 2025, I'm like, that's one of the best movies of the last 30 years.

But when you see him in this film, number one, once again, cast it very well. He looks, first of all, like an F1 driver. That's how those guys look, right? Yeah, he looks like an ex-F1 driver. Yeah, you can see he won in 2000. Those guys are good looking. They're European

Yeah, he looks it and then he also looks like somebody that Because Brad Pitt is Brad Pitt when he's on screen who is Brad Pitt gonna respect right? It's kind of like the John Hamm situation from Top Gun Maverick you need somebody in that role that you could be like, oh, okay I see why this conversation between these two people would make sense Not just in this world, but like in my mind as well. So he fills that spot. Yeah, you have those XF1 guys, they're just like, keep your girl away from these guys.

They have to have some sort of vibe, yeah. Like don't, no, you're not driving my wife home. Everything in Europe has to do with sex. Okay, it's a horny, horny region of the world. Everything is sex. Like, I'm looking at these soccer players. They're out there running around like models, bro. Dudes in the NBA don't even begin to line up.

All right, they're playing three games in a week. Sometimes the shit, the opening day, and then that's it, like, everything out there, it's sex, sex, sex with these Europeans is what I've noticed. That's a good observation. Brad Pitt. Four decades of Brad Pitt as a leading man in an iconic movie.

And I think this movie is an iconic sports movie. Already you'd say that. Yeah. Okay. Only, listen, it's not, I don't know where it's going to rank in the all-time pyramid, but I think for what it does with the technology we have, I think it's going to be remembered. I think it's influential. Greatest racing movie ever? Are you ready to put it up in the pantheon for discussion? I'm looking at the list.

Put it up in the pantheon for discussion. I'm looking at the list. I Have to watch rush again. I thought rush was great. Mm-hmm but But like for to appeal to me and my wife and my kids Right, and I'm sure the generations in between and I know my dad would like it now You know, it's four generations of people who were like, I just know if you like sports movies You're gonna be in on this and whether you like racing or not, you're going to like it. Brad Pitt. So seven fight club oceans, 11 and glorious bastards, money ball, once

upon a time in Hollywood and F one, just those seven movies from a rewatchable popcorn, culturally they mattered when they came out for some way. And that's a span of seven was 1995. Yeah. Mid nineties to now. Like think about who the famous athletes were in 1995. It was like Steve Young when the Superbowl that year. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was coming back from retiring the first time.

Like that's a long time ago. I have a six stages of Brad Pitt. Okay. Stage number one, up and coming, interesting, handsome guy. 90 to 94. Thelma and Louise, River Runs Through It, True Romance, California, an occasional interview with a vampire. It's like, every girl I know loves this guy.

Not sure, is he Redford? What's the path for him? Might be Redford, didn't know. Right. Then it's leadingading Man on Training Wheels for the next four years, seven, big hit for him. 12 Monkeys, Sleepers, seven years in Tibet. And then Meet Joe Black, they really went for it with him

and the movie wasn't good. But that was the movie where it's like, Brad Pitt's a massive star, he's with Anthony Hopkins, we're really going for this. It didn't work. It was the movie where they were like, so it was the movie where they were like, let's just put Brad Pitt in a movie with an older guy

and an interesting young face and see if he can just movie star his way through it. This is a Robert Redford part. Can you be Robert Redford for two hours? Actually not what Brad Pitt does though. No, because he's- He needs a little something. He needs to...

It's always been said, but he's like the best looking character actor of all time. Right. He needs a little something. He doesn't just do that. Even in The River Runs Through It... Good movie. Well, not The River Runs Through It. I didn't mean that one. Because you left out Legends of the Fall. What was it in there? Did you have it in there? Later.

Okay. Legends of the Fall is a very important movie for Brad Pitt to me because Legends of the Fall was the movie where a lot of people fell in love. Yeah. Right? But... Oh, I should... That was 94. That should have been in there. Yeah. But there's something going on with that movie. That movie is like a serious drama. It's not a dreamy rom-com about a guy coming back and he's death and all of that stuff and death is about to,

no that movie is about three brothers go away to war or two brothers go away to war and they come back to trying to fuck each other's girls, all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of mystic, beautiful, ethereal shit happening and that is the perfect Brad Pitt role. And so he goes away from that,

but he always has to have a little something in the movie that's a little grimy, that's a little more. We don't just trust Brad Pitt just to smile his way through a movie Well true romance is Floyd, which is one of the funniest like Tarantino characters California Cation he's a maniac crazy like that's a just a nuts movie. It's a to be classic. He does He does maniac again in 12 Monkeys. Yeah. Yeah. So when he's leading man in training wheels, seven 12 monkeys sleeper, seven years to bet, meet Joe Black. That's like, all right, this might not happen.

This might not happen the way we thought, but there's still something, something really good here. And then he becomes an A-lister in the next five years. Fight Club, Snatch, The Mexican, which was a movie that didn't do that well, but it was Julia Roberts, Sam Ganofini, Ocean's Eleven, I think is the big one. Right. Because now he's with Damon's On The Rise, Clooney's a star, the three of them together,

the movie becomes massive, and by the time Troy comes out in 04, it's like Brad Pitt can carry a movie like this. It wasn't a very good movie. I liked it. But I just remember Troy, I was in, I was going to see a movie with Candice Stein. Shout out to Candice and her whole family, my girlfriend at the time. I'm sure she's married or whatever. And the Troy trailer came on.

And Brad Pitt was Achilles, he let the hair flow, and all of a sudden, we're sitting there, we're in a black woman in a black movie theater in a black city in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, and Brad comes on screen and she goes, ugh. And I'm sitting there at over 300 pounds, and I'm like, yo man, can you not?

And she goes, I'm sorry Brad, still fine. And she was saying still, and that was 20 years ago. She was saying still. Oh yeah, 20 plus years ago. And that was 20 plus years ago. That leads us to the next stage of Brad Pitt. The Brangelina heyday. Oh yeah.

04 to 11, Mr. and Mrs. The Brangelina heyday. Oh yeah. 04-11. Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Benjamin Button, and Glorious Bastards, Moneyball were the highlight movies. But he's like an A plus lister from the... The Brangelina thing makes him one of the most famous people in the world. Could you make an argument that it's not actually until Mr. and Mrs. Smith that Brad Pitt is a hyper super megawatt A-lister? That's what I just said. I think he's an A-plus lister for Angelina. Okay. I think he was an A-lister.

I was thinking about what I was going to say rather than listening to you. No, no. He was an A-lister and then he became an A-plus lister. Right. But he was like, he had the celebrity relationships. Like he dated Paltrow. He dated Julie Lewis. Jennifer Aniston. Yeah, no. He always had, but I'm just saying. But the Angelina thing was like he had the celebrity relationships like he dated Paltrow. He dated Jennifer Anniston, you know, he always had but I'm just like Angelina thing was like boom He was on the tip of everybody's tongue. Everyone was talking about what was going on and not just that but that movie became The movie was good. It's a good movie in the formative film Like they made a bunch of different mister. and Mrs. Smith type movies after that.

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Shop now at IKEA.ca. So now at Ikea.ca. So Inglourious Basterds, and by the way, so he works with Fincher and Benjamin Button. Yeah. Interesting movie. Some New Orleans in there. Yeah. Inglourious Basterds, Tarantino, and then Moneyball is probably the best he's ever been in a movie

except for maybe Fight Club. He's just like- Yeah, Fight Club is tough. Yeah, it's a tough performance right there. Fight Club, he's ever been in a movie, except for maybe Fight Club. He's just like- Yeah, Fight Club is tough. Yeah, it's a tough performance right there. Fight Club, he's awesome. Like you're just like, wow. This is like Robert Redford could not have done this. You are now moving a little closer almost to DeNiro.

But Moneyball was like, man, I just fucking like Brad Pitt. Yeah. That was like, that was one of those moves. But then we hit the next stage, The Swoon. Cause the Brangelina-related, they all of a sudden they have like six kids. Bad press.

Some bad press floating around. There's a lot of weird stories about them. And the movies, even though he's producing, doing some good producing stuff, Killing Them Softly, Allied, Fury, By the Sea. I love that Killing Them Softly movie. I just gotta say it though. That's like, you do. Have you seen that one?

I might have saw it when it came out. Who's in it? So it's him. James Gunn the Feeny is in it. It takes place in New Orleans. New Orleans month candidate? New Orleans month candidate. Either it takes place in New Orleans or it's a shot in New Orleans. Well we have to do Angel Heart last for New Orleans month because then that's when the pod gets canceled. He canceled the pod. But there's a robbery, they bring Brad Pitt. It's a good movie.

All right, I'll give it another chance. I don't think it did well. No, it didn't at all. And the most successful things he was involved with were 12 Years a Slave and The Big Short, which he wasn't like leading those movies. And then the Angelina thing went sideways and it felt like his career might be over. There was the Tank movie that came out. The By the Sea movie was like, and then there was the allegation she had and the family stuff went. And then Tarantino, this is the last spot.

Tarantino kind of revives him with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. COVID happens. Everyone forgets everything with COVID. And then we get to F1. Now he's in his 60s. upon a time in Hollywood. COVID happens, everyone forgets everything with COVID. And then we get to F1, now he's in his 60s. He's had a hit movie in his 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. This is a very important movie. Not nothing. This is a very important movie for him.

Like a super important movie. This might be. I think for the catalog, he kinda needed it. Had to have it. Had to have it big. Cause like Redford didn't have a movie in his 60s that was like a massive movie like this. Also, there's something else that Brad needed,

in my opinion. The only way to quiet any chatter online about you, and I don't like to, I'm way moved past the point where I litigate people's personal lives unless we're talking about really shitty people. But the best way to, in this day and age is to to quiet, to chatter about you. Anything that anyone might be saying is going, look, nobody cares. And like just that's the only way you can do it.

You just be like, hey, they say this about you. Maybe you weren't the greatest husband of all. I have no advice to Diddy. OK, there's zero advice. It'll be zero conversation. There's no advice. Okay? It's like camera two, no advice.

No advice. But like in that situation, look, nobody cares. Look, everything is between me and my family or whomever or whatever. I just went and did this gigantic, big, huge movie. All the sponsors. The movie got made like 40 or $ million dollars just in sponsorships, right? Apple, everybody's fucking with me, everybody went to see it, nobody cares, next story, next movie.

The difference, so in a weird way, it's kind of humiliating what happened with Cruise, where Cruise, when he hit a certain point in age, just basically became Mission Impossible, Top Gun Maverick guy, and those are like the two kind of directions he can go. Brad Pitt, cause Cliff Booth and Sonny are not that far off from each other, I don't think. I mean, Sonny's a little more talkative,

but same kind of thing, like worn down, still super handsome, can still connect with any woman in the room, guys are comfortable around him, like that kind of balance. Still can get it done? Yeah, and you believe him in any role. So maybe he has a little bit more upside, comfortable around him, like that kind of balance. Still can get it done? Yeah, and you believe him in any role.

So maybe he has a little bit more upside, but the one time with him is, now he kind of talks like Buffalo Bill a little bit. Like he has a dip in his mouth. So I thought he was amazing in Moneyball. I actually think he could have made it case he could have won best actor for that. Who won that year? I think it might have been, was it Dana Day-Lewis

from Lincoln? Lincoln year, yeah. Play ball's fantastic. But now you're in your age 61, you've got a rough life, kind of there's all those lines like this, a little half smile on his face, but it works. Yeah, it does. You're buying it. I don't think he could be like, some of the roles he played in the 90s, 2000,

I just don't think he'd do it anymore. Well, no, I mean, he's gone from being, because if you look back at that decade, he was, in a lot of those movies, young cowboy. He was a young cowboy. Young cowboy in Seven. You see him, he's the young, he's even kind of, although. Well, Seven, he's just like skinny cop guy.

I know, but he's being schooled by the older, more grizzled, I'm out of here, that. Ocean's Eleven, him and Rusty and Danny kind of on the same level, but now he's the old cowboy in the movie, and the question is, can he still keep up? And you would thought that Brad Pitt would have never gotten to a point to where you put him in a movie,

and then the question would be like, he could never play the can you still do it guy. Because he's just too otherworldly handsome, otherworldly charismatic, but he was able to kind of make that case in this movie. He did a nice job, and I'm sure there's some bells and whistles with it, but he's done a really nice job of keeping his looks

as like an A plus leading man guy. Which I think when people hit their late 50s, 60s on the big screen, you just start transitioning or you end up like Cruz where it just doesn't seem Cruz and Jennifer Connelly in the bedroom scene, Topka Maverick, one of the funniest scenes of the 2020s. You just end up veering in that road where you're like, come on guys, what are we doing?

But I gotta give Tom credit. For hysterically laughing? Nah. No shirt on? I gotta give Tom credit in that movie for, I know it's the script, for going with age appropriate co-star, cause Tom was wildin' for years.

Right. If you told me it would be Tom Cruise, and it'd be the hottest 23 year old, 24 year old, up and coming actor, and it'd be the hottest 23-year-old, 24-year-old up-and-coming actor, and we'd be like, come on, Tom, man. So him with Honored Armist and Top Gun Maverick might not have worked. Would not have worked.

Brad could pull it off, though, because Brad's one of those, we looked up after, my kids were like, how old is he? They thought he was younger than I was. Brad being 61? Well, does he look 61? Fuck no! No! No fucking way!

I was like, I think he's like 49? I had no idea! They were like, holy shit, he's 61 years old? In any way, shape, or form does he look 61? No. My only nitpicks for this movie... It has a poker scene. And I just don't think they, that's where they needed my sports movie consultancy agency to come in and help them out.

They didn't have a feel. They were playing Texas Hold'em. It's kind of a key scene in the movie, and we don't really see the cards long enough in the middle. I don't know who's, there's no drama. Like it is not Casino Royale. Right. Just put it that way. I didn't love that. I didn't

You know Sonny Not to spoil the ending but there but the the big big race at the end It's a long trip for him to get there and he just kind of shows up right before and it's like, oh man That's like oh, you mean the actual F1 race? Yeah. I thought you meant the Baja thing. The Baja thing actually was not needed at all. No, I would have not had that. I would just cut that out.

But him just going to Saudi Arabia or Abu Dhabi, wherever he was, on a moment's notice. Premium economy. And then he's gonna be in a race? Right. Like, it doesn't take like a day and a, like Martin Bacoli did that and he got knocked down like a round.

But look, this is his thing. He travels around in a van. He lives in a van. He's rough and tumbled. Like Ben said in the commentary of Armageddon, they don't understand his rough and tumble ways. So he's the type of guy that could get off the plane, get right into the cockpit of an F1 car, and go win the race, the biggest race of his life. Very important Brad Pitt catalog movie. Very important movie. Big Kaczynski now, I think, has hit that Tony Scott.

Like, whatever his next movie is, I'm gonna go. I'm watching it. Also, very important movie for Apple. Oh yeah, might've like saved their movie business. Gigantic, I don't know, saved, they got so much money and burned in the cash. I know, but would they have just kept trotting out $300 million checks for movies

if this didn't work? Man. And they promoted it great. They did. And I tried to avoid Ava, because I never like to know anything when I go to a movie. But it was hard to escape, especially like even if you went

to Apple TV, it was like F1's coming, F1's coming. They're like banging it in your head. F1's on there right now, you see F1, F1. You know, I'm just gonna go check it out. I think it was an important movie more so, not for Apple from a financial standpoint, because I don't think that really matters to them. But I do think from the standpoint of,

hey, we can put together a film, and this is not a shot at Scorsese's movie, all right? Not at all. But we can put together a film that is legitimately successful. And when I say legitimately successful, I mean either. Worldwide successful. Worldwide successful.

Our studio, our talent, our production, we go out and we make one that just attracts more. I mean, not that they're gonna have any problem getting talent. Good, well let's all get that Apple money. I'm with it. And start pitching them stuff tomorrow. Yeah.

And then we forgot to mention Brad Pitt, now in two of the best sports movies of the 21st century. Oh, Moneyball. Not ready to do, I don't know if it's top five, top seven. I gotta probably do a ranking at some point this summer, but they're both in the top 10, there's no question. Is he two for two though? Are those his only two sports movies?

Is he two for two? Yeah, he doesn't have like a legend of Bagger Vance hiding his skeleton in his closet. I'm trying to think, like I'm missing something. He hasn't done it in a year. Why are we doing that on the rewatchables? I'm not doing it. You're not into. He hasn't been when we do that on the rewatchables What could it be for how the fuck did this movie happen?

Will what the fuck are you? Everybody why that team didn't know to play golf until that crash course teacher. It'd be a fun movie to make fun of All right, so last thing before we go, now this is a spoiler. Okay. Did the right person, so if you haven't seen the movie yet, just go, you can just fast forward to the next segment. Did the right person win the last race? It was a swerve.

The way they set it up, I was actually really surprised how missionary position old school sports movie traditional they went. It's like, let's have the old white guy win this one. I thought for sure the new guy was, and he was going to sacrifice to the new guy when they both win. And they really zagged and then we were arguing about in the car after. And my kids were like, no, no, but DP won too

because the fireworks are behind him. He's got, he's gonna win a lot of races coming. I was like, I don't know. Like, Sonny's really gonna win the race? So I thought it was a little 1980s-ish. I'm gonna try to get my Mahoney on here and be concise. Go ahead, do it. But it's tough.

I'm glad he won, okay. I'm glad he won. Okay? I'm glad he won because he had never won before. Right. To me, my thing is this was a big point of contention when we left the theater as well. It's four of us, we went to see the movie, everybody had a different take. But do you think it was a swerve or did they just go Jerry Bruckheimer because he produced their old school Hollywood? No, no, Brad's got to win the race. This is how it goes.

I'm looking at the movie going into that final race going, wow, who needs to win here? Who do we need to have a story where Brad ensures that Damson's character wins? But if we do that, sure, he shepherds this young man, but then he never wins a race. This reminds me of my great disdain for a movie called Mr. 3000. I don't like that movie.

But here's, I'm not talking about, I like the movie just fine, but the fact that he has 3000 hits, he comes back to get the one hit, and then he sacrificed Buntz or whatever, and sacrifices that last hit for the team. Stupid to me. I think about 493 home runs all the time for Fred McGriff,

and I'm like, Fred McGriff was seven home runs away from 500. I would have played nine more years. Just be a corp. To just get those seven home runs. So to me, when I look at guys like the Sonny character in this movie, let him win one race, man. Let him win the race. Let him win one race.

Do you think DP would have been that excited about it, though? That's his, but that's his character arc. His character arc is he's come so far that he can be excited that Sonny won his race. Sonny's come so far that he doesn't sabotage himself anymore. See, this was Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown when Jason didn't win the finals MVP, but he was happy for Jalen Brown because they both won. That would have been... This is what I was trying to say a year ago.

That would have been if DP was driving and he just choked in the last lap. Come on. Jason Tatum's in a boot right now. What are you doing? He's doing great. I'm glad he's doing great. He's doing great. Do you see him walking?

He's swimming, he's walking around in a boot. He's walking, he's gonna be back. Bill. He's fine. He might be back. I'm not. We're not allowing ourselves to think about it. We don't have a center.

All right. Yeah, that and then flying. Now we can say, because I turned the spoiler alert thing off or on, flying to Abu Dhabi, showing up right for the race and then winning a Formula One race. Cause my son was like, should I start, like do you think I could be an F1 driver?

Like it was like one of those conversations. I was like, we're all worried. We're like, is this gonna be a new fascination for you. And we were all like, the amount of concentration and endurance you need to have to do that. That's like, you can't even, the amount of locked in you have to be to be locked in for that long,

it's like a special kind of human being. And that is not my son. It's like an astronaut. It's not anyone I know. Yeah's like a special kind of human being. And that is not my son. It's like an astronaut. It's not anyone I know. Yeah. Like who knows? You ever see those guys, their old grainy pictures where they're like behind the wheel of a go-kart or a soapbox car when they're like seven or eight years old?

Right. Like a little bit, look at me, hi. You know what I'm saying? But what I always think about is, I think about these drivers like Lewis and Michael Schumacher and all of those guys. I think about all of those guys. But I also think about how many sunny hazes

there must be out there. Oh yeah. Guys who wrecked it, fucked their backs up or whatever and now they're somewhere, you know, popping pain pills for the rest of their life and they didn't make it. That's why I was happy that he won the race. Yeah, cause one of the things I don't understand

is that point, because it seemed like when he was trying to sabotage the race early on and basically causing little accidents. The safety car? Yeah, and I was like, can people do this? It feels like that would be a big thing if people did shit like this. That's the part of the sport.

That's where we don't know. Exactly, that's the part of it where I'm holding the movie's hand going, okay, if you guys say this can happen, then this can happen. Yeah, well, that's probably what it's like to watch a basketball movie with us. Right. So I remember the first year of ER, we watched it with my stepmother one of the episodes and she was like, oh, my stepmother was a doctor.

And she was like, that's stupid. That would never happen. Oh my God, they would never have that. And we were just like, can you just stop? Can you just let us enjoy the sapendectomy that's being performed right now, please? Have you seen a show called The Good Doctor, by the way? Yes.

So we watched Bachelor in Paradise this week. What the fuck is going on? It's always home. Oh, I see, okay. Yeah, it was on. And it ended and they, you know, the streamers do this new thing where they just shove. There's no credits.

It's just there's a new show started. So the Good Doctor started. Never seen it. Never seen one moment of it. And it was the pilot episode. And we were kind of like locked in. It was pretty good. Young kid.

It was like kind of the Good Doctor's background. It's pretty good. Network TV. Maybe I'm aging into the demo finally. Maybe I should start watching. N-C-I-S Simmons? Maybe this should be my new podcast where I age the over 55 shows. I just start, it's like, oh, good Matlock last night.

Oh, I cannot believe, Matlock, Kathy Bates. Yeah. Kathy Bates is Matlock now. N-C-I-S Simmons with the lady from True Blood, she's in the show, it's called like Elizabeth or something like that. I know these shows because my mom. You see that, and my dad. My dad was furious they canceled Blue Bloods,

couldn't believe it. Felt like it had five more years, but then they spun off Donnie Wahlberg into Boston Blue, which is launched in September. Oh, okay. It's in Boston? We're back. Go ahead, make your jokes.

Go ahead, go ahead. Make your jokes. What? The three episode arc. Go ahead. I'm saying he's a cop in Boston. Yeah, go ahead. So we'll make sure that us in the community

we keep track of the police brutality events that are portrayed in the show. It's going to be a positive role model. If it's not six per show, then it's not real. Oh wait, Donnie. Donnie Wahlberg, very close to Jalen Brown. Could see Jalen Brown cameo. That's his friend?

Yeah. Donnie Wahlberg's like very tight with the Celtics. So Donnie Wahlberg is, is Mark Wahlberg cool with Jalen Brown? I don't know Mark Wahlberg. I don't, I can't speak for Mark Wahlberg. Yeah Jalen, I want you to Google. Mark Wahlberg sold his house to Paris Hilton. I want you to Google, cause,

alright so Mark Wahlberg has done a lot. No, no, no, no, we're not doing this. Alright, should we bring in Charles, talk about Superman or no? We're getting Charles here. Alright, Charles Swamps is here. Yo what up? Vance Partner and the Midnight Boys.

You guys are going to convince me to go see the Superman movie. I'll just make the case, this is how this started. Superman came out in 1978, it's on in the theater. I really like Superman 2, a movie we'll do with the rewatchables at some point. Do you like Superman 2? I love Superman 2. Who doesn't?

Superman 2 is great. There's like some real stuff in there about how far will you go to keep your powers? Oh, it's like some sports shit in there. That's in a lot of superhero movies though that you don't watch. True. Then they made Superman again. Then I think they made it a third time.

They made four original Christopher Reeve Supermans. Then they came back in 2006 with Bryan Singer Superman. I think they made it a third time. They made four original Christopher Reeve Supermans, then they came back in 2006 with Brian Singer's Superman, and then there's Man of Steel, Batman, Superman, and now with Dr. Sleep. The Cavill one, people kind of liked, right? And not really? Or they liked Cavill, but they didn't like the movie?

Cavill wasn't given a super awesome opportunity to play Superman the way he was supposed to be played. He never really got great scripts. He never really got- No, actually, the thing is, once he got good at playing Superman- It was over. It was over.

All the movies had flopped to such an extent. Then, do you remember The Rock coming in and being like, the hierarchy of the DCU is changing? So it was just like, he got caught up in a bad system. Okay. Well, now we have another Superman. Yes. Horn's wet. But you a bad system. Okay. Well now we have another Superman. Yes. Horn sweat.

But you guys liked it. Yeah. I did. Charles liked it. I don't wanna see it. I told you I'm not gonna see it. I'm a hater and even I liked it. All right, let's put,

so you said something crazy over at the office where you- Was it crazy? Get him drunk. You said to me, James Bond is cooler than Batman. And I would say not only is that a crazy take, that kind of points us towards why are you so, why do you have such a ill will to superheroes? Not an ill will.

I just like, I like my heroes to be at least somewhat realistic. James Bond is realistic. Okay, there you go. All right, makes a lot of sense. Handsome English guy with some gadgets. John Wick realistic to you. If James Bond- John Wick. Okay. There you go. Alright. Makes a lot of sense. Handsome English guy with some gadgets. John Wick. Realistic to you. If James Bond...

John Wick, they killed his dog. Somebody kills your dog. They killed Batman's parents. What is more realistic than that struggle? And then Batman learned how to fly off buildings. Like once you're flying, that's where my suspension goes sideways. But I've seen all these movies. I just, with Superman, I don't know what's left to explore.

Aw man. You're about to get me started. Go ahead, I want to hear it. Okay, so you guys, this is not the ring of earth, so this is about to get a little bit schmaltzy and whatever. I can't wait. So I think there's a reason why we keep coming back to the story of Superman. The reason why we keep coming back to the story, and we've always had stories like this, and we talked about this on the Midnight Boys, is that the story of something that is, let's face it, Superman is a higher being

than the rest of the people on Earth that surround him, right? It's a very powerful being, but chooses to do good. A being that is that powerful, with God-like, almost limitless powers, that chooses to do good is... Unlike our grown species. Who chose the other way, right? Because when we are human beings and we get power, a lot of power,

even earthly power, we often don't choose to be good. So Superman, to me, is a character that reflects the durability of humanity. Like, oh my God, he's such a big deal, but he just wants to be one of us. He wants to have a relationship. He wants to have a job. He wants to get a cat out of the tree. He's saddled by his greatness. Saddled by his greatness.

Which you love. This is a storyline that you invest in every single sports season. Why is it with superheroes you can't? You would say all of this about J is it with superheroes you can't? You would say all of this about Jokic, but you won't say it about Kal-El from the planet Krypton. They got him a good bench this year.

Does Superman have a bench in this movie? Yes he does! He does! He does! Mr. Terrific, Hot Girl, Metamorpho. Who's Hot Girl? There you go. Who's playing Hot Girl?

Isabella Merced. Oh, look out. You didn't watch Last of Us either? Wait, wait, wait, wait. I got one for you though. It's not her. Last of Us, the zombie one? Yeah. It lasted five months. We're in for Brozhenhand though. That's not the one. Cat Grant. Cat Grant. That's a Bill. That's a Bill Shoggy. That's a Bill special. Bill, there's something for you in this film. I'm telling you. Okay, so in the whole Ringerverse, because it got pretty grim there for a few years with some of the movies.

We talked about it. Our friendship. Is grim fair? I will say, Van and I have had a lot of like, it got so bad, I'm like, damn, our shit is like fucked up now. He's not wrong. Like the relationship is in trouble. The movies got so bad to where it,

the stuff was so bad to where it was starting to affect our dynamic. Yes. Because he was getting really frustrated. I was trying to put on a brave face, and the whole group was like, man. I'm like, yo, y'all, get together. I was like, war.

We gotta go to work, okay? We gotta watch Secret Invasion. Come on, everybody, I'm like, yo, y'all, get together. I was like, war, we gotta go to work, okay? We gotta watch Secret Invasion. Come on, everybody, this is what we do. And Charles was like, man, fuck these shows. I was, bro, it was rough, rough. The stuff just got bad. Like it- So what got bad?

It was too familiar, the CGI? Like what were the reasons it got bad? They flooded the zone. I think the superhero genre was very, very great when it's like, oh, we get two or three movies a year. Then when- So like late 2000s era. But then when Marvel is like, actually, you're going to have a Marvel hero in

your household every single quarter, every single week, and it just diluted the brand to such an extent. And when you see a Superman movie, you're like, oh, this is a cinematic character. I don't necessarily want to see him 52 weeks of the year. I want to on a weekend in July, I want to believe a man can fly. Also the movie making. Yeah.

Like the, what he's talking, the filmmaking. So with Marvel, there was Kevin Feige and he was connecting all the dots on all of this stuff. And they just overwhelmed their capability and The quality started to suck. So it'd be like if if a couple baseball movies worked and then they just started making Five baseball movies a year be like, alright think about this. They make a baseball movie, right a Babe Ruth movie Yeah, they make a Babe Ruth movie. It's great. They make So now we're getting Ty Cobb Ted Williams Lou Gehrig, but no not just that we're getting a 52 week series about Mark Lemke

and Jeff Blouser No, this is like, okay, you guys love this series. We just did about Ken Griffey Tommy Glavin About their fucking mothers in the 1950s and what the fuck they was up to and I'm like, hey Yo, show me the fucking superheroes, bro. Right too much. So we got back to the basics back to the basics It feels like the heyday was The 2000s when we had Dark Knight, which is one of the best When we had Dark Knight and Iron Man right around each other Oh, and it felt like it reinvented the possibilities of how great these movies could be.

But you were hopped off before we got Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther, Avengers. Because all of a sudden there was too many of them and even Iron Man 2 I thought was super disappointing. And that was when my guard went up. Not the best movie. But I would say the heyday would be 16 to 19. Yeah. Well that's the second heyday, but I missed that one. Okay.

Because I enjoyed that first heyday. And neither of your kids were into the MCU. You know, I tried to get it going with my son, and it just never completely took. We started it correctly, and by like the fifth one, we were out. But don't you also feel like Superman is in that, like, is in that milieu of characters to me,

where it's like James Bond, Batman, Superman, like you have these, like, in that milieu of characters to me where it's like, James Bond, Batman, Superman, like you have these like characters where we're kind of like, damn I kind of want to see if they can work. Rocky with Creed. You have those type of characters where it's like, it kind of tells you where America... But then it's diminishing returns after, if it's the same, right? You liked F1. I liked F1. F1 wasn't reinventing the wheel. It's just Top Gun Maverick again. But there is something about like... Alright, settle down, Charles. Jesus. This is the Top Gun Maverick again.

This is the guy. This is Chuck Wagon. F1 is Top Gun Maverick with... But it was... I mean, the IMAX stuff was amazing though. I love this movie. It's one of my favorite movies of the year. But they didn't reinvent the wheel on this. I know, but my fear with all this stuff is, we talked about this a little before, just there's no way to reinvent the wheel

because the wheel has already been looked at every single fucking way at this point. So that's when a movie like, I'm trying to think of like a wholly original movie that, like Sinners, when that came out, we were like, whoa, this is a movie unlike anything I've seen before. Even though it had some vampire roots and all the different things,

it just felt like original creative IP. But how does even Ryan Coogler get to Sinners, where it's like, it's like Christopher Nolan had the ability, of course he did the Batman films, but he had the ability to make a bunch of original movies, and then Batman got him into the category where it's like, oh, we're going to see Inception, we're going to see this.

Ryan Coogler basically had to prove to these studios, all right, I did Creed and I did Fruitvale Station, but Black Panther's showing y'all that I can actually do a four quadrant blockbuster movie. Do you ever ask yourself, do you ever wonder what attracts somebody like Christopher Nolan to Batman? Or like what attracts, why do some of these guys, like when you got to Batman Begins

and you look at who's in the movie, it's Liam Neeson and Morgan Freeman and all of these people. And I know everybody wants to pay for their winter homes and Aspen and all of that stuff like that. I get it, I get it that you're an actor, you gotta make money, I get that. But also, there is something with creatives on that level

that intrigues them about making movies or content with a character that is so well known and so well understood because they get to think about what can I do with a character that is so well known and so well understood because they get to think about What can I do with this character that's actually there that hasn't been done? So there's four reasons Okay, that's the one is the one you just said challenge. Yeah, everybody has stared at this IP for a hundred years It's a challenge for me. I can solve this. Yeah, who is money Three is ring culture. Oh you like in can solve this. Yeah, two is money Three is ring culture. Oh you want to win sports? Yeah. Yeah. This is like If you can pull it off on this it's like winning. I remember talking to Halflick about this

Because I wrote about this when he did uh, what did he do when he did the Superman movie? Ben or Casey because it's two. Ben. Okay. When uh. He was Batman in Batman vs Superman. Batman vs Superman. Justice League, all of it. But remember he was on the heater because he had the town, Argo. Like he was like. He was the fucking man. He had won it back and then it's like,

why are you doing this? And it's the second go around because he was Daredevil. So that Daredevil who he was in. But you know why he did it? Because he was like. My kid. Fuck it.

If I pull it, it was like basically, it was like Tom Brady going for the Tampa Bay Superbowl. If I can do this, I can do anything. And that's the third thing. And then the fourth thing is money. Bill, let me tell you something. There's something that people don't talk about as much, but they should. He was sensational.

Really? Affleck was a great Batman. Was a great Batman. He still has the suit. Oh, and the fourth thing is impressing your kids. Everyone always forgets that part. Most of the people that are making movies like this at some point have kids, or at least one kid

under the age of eight, who thinks like, holy shit, my dad's gonna be Batman? And it's just like, impressive. Look at Tom Holland. Tom Holland as Spider-Man, does Tom Holland get into a Christopher Nolan movie? Because if we look at his track record after Spider-Man, does Tom Holland get into a Christopher Nolan movie? Because if we look at his track record after Spider-Man, could you name me a Tom Holland movie that you...

But does he need like the stamp of approval almost? I think with like Corn Sweat, with Holland, with Pattinson, Pattinson like becomes Batman. He didn't need this. He's killing it in terms of just like, oh, he is the indie darling. Everyone loves him. But there's a different thing when Robert Pattinson gets to go to his acting buddies and be like, but Sean, not Batman. Well, that's the Downey is the best example of that, right?

Or like Keith Ledger, who just broke back and he's great in that, but then Dark Knight becomes the movie that's probably gonna outlive him 50 years from now. But he had a take though. He had a take on the character, character that we're so familiar with. He had a take on the character. The character that we're so familiar with. He had a take and that take went on to define the character. There's one thing about being the Joker.

There's another thing about redefining the Joker. He redefined that character. Even like, I'll give you this. So Nolan, right? Yeah. The Odyssey. That story is thousands of years old, right? Like it's, well, hundreds? Yeah. The Odyssey, that story is thousands of years old, right? Like, well, hundreds, hundreds.

When did the Odyssey, whatever. It's an ancient black contemporary standard story, but we're gonna keep telling it because the themes in the story are as relevant today as they've been in the past, and everybody's gonna wanna retell. The story of Moses, the story, all of that stuff. It's all the same shit.

The Matrix is a retelling of the Jesus story. Now we'll say this, we should talk about specifically like what is awesome about this Superman movie that makes it like worth the trip. Well, the villain seems good. Lex. Lex and Nicholas Holt as Lex is phenomenal. Also, I feel like this is a movie where it's going to be a lot for you.

It's very cartoony. It's very comic book-y. But I do think that this movie does a very good job of, you don't have to see anything. It has that Iron Man feel of just like, I can see death. Starting from scratch, basically. Starting, and it's not starting from scratch, where it's like, you already know the origin story,

where it's like, planet blew up origin story where it's like planet blew up He goes to happen. They're just like we don't need that it starts in the middle of the action where you're like, okay I get it. Like I do like that little girl had some success in the past Yeah, little crawl tell you where you at and it reorients the character it's your We said this on the podcast on the Midnight Boys. Most Superman movies, they're looking through his eyes. And if you look through his eyes, everything is weaker. Because he's way up here.

If you look through his eyes, everything is weaker. So you start to wonder, like, what the fuck is going on? This is like Yoke-age. Yeah. Get the fuck out of here. Okay. He is a bad motherfucker though. He is. You know, that was one of my.

You know, I look back at the dickhead momentum that I've had in the past. I'm doing it again with Caitlin Clark to a degree, but I don't care. I won't stop. Can you talk him off the Caitlin Clark? I don't want to talk about it. I like it's one of the best tags of the 2020s. It's great. But but it's a great tag. I asked my- so, just real quick, I'll come back to Superman.

I meant to get you on the phone with this guy. So, one of my homeboys, my best friend from Banroof, Ryan Davenport. I remember me and you got into it about the Yokoz and the Shaq thing. We were going back and forth about it. So I hit Ryan up, and I know that Ryan is going to agree with me. You know, my man Ryan was in the streets for a long time. So it's very he talks the way he talks I was like, bro Let me ask you a question who you think better Yoke is a shot and he goes man Yoke itch

Like he said he was angry. He did like he didn't want to have to say he was like man Yoke itch, bro, and I was like what I was like, bro, youoke it, bruh. And I was like, what? I was like, bruh, you can't do shit with that bitch. He was like, that bitch get the ball, if you double that bitch, pass that bitch. He's like, if you one-on-one, he cooking everybody. It's yoke-ish, man. He made Anthony Davis look crazy. It's yoke-ish, bruh.

I'm sorry, he better. And I was like, after that, I had to, he was mad. He felt the feeling is hard Yeah, I still don't agree with him, but I get it when I got Caitlin. Um, yeah, I got a new foil The next one has to be black or I'm not getting an agenda I have to choose You know what Lamar Jackson sitting there if he won more playoff Hey, I'm just saying I't I still gotta get a good zag

I gotta be able to get into the people didn't expect you expect me to go you want to keep people on the toes Whitlock no, I can't do that brother. They're not gonna let me into the Superman this movie does something different It orients the story it puts Superman in the middle of the story Okay, and the story happens around Superman. Simple fix. Now Superman is not somebody that you have to question at every single plot turn. So you weren't just pleasantly surprised. You were deliriously surprised.

I didn't. You couldn't believe it was good. I got emotional on the podcast. Wow. Yeah, there were tears. I'm tempered. I hate everything and even I was like, I was like, I can't hate anything. I was like alright they got it.

You know what I'm saying? Like I gotta get it. He didn't think it was a perfect movie. I didn't think it was it's an eight like out of ten It's like to me is like in that seven eight range where I'm like I'm gonna see you guys won me over hell fucking yeah Well, so give me three movies from the last 15 years three ringer burst movies that I have to see I know one you're gonna love straight off the bat. Guards of the Galaxy?

You might like that. I could see you liking that, but that's not what I was talking about. Wonder Woman? Bet you would, right? Captain America, Winter Soldier. Yeah. Wait, you've never seen Winter Soldier.

That isn't good. I've never seen any of those Captain America movies. You would like that. Have you seen Black Panther? Black Panther doesn't count. That movie was awesome. Wait, Black Panther definitely fucking counts. No, that's a Michael B. Jordan. I've got season tickets for my guy. Yeah, he's a big Michael B. Jordan fan.

Wait, you're actually on Michael B. Jordan Island. I think I was his first podcast. Proof of Fail Station, I think I was the first podcast he ever did. I've had to defend him a lot. People have been like, hey, before Sinners, everybody's now on his fucking dick I was I don't know about the twins. I don't know if you can act blah blah blah blah blah There was a couple couple poor choices. There's a couple hiccups much like an athlete a couple bad not on film though Well that that legal movie he did was bad. We saw about the yeah, whatever the one where he was the lawyer

You don't really put the movie when he's the lawyer. That movie was bad. That got a memory hold. You don't really put it. The movie when he was with Zac Efron and the other guy. That was early on though. Early on, but that movie's bad. Yeah, but he, He did a couple bad ones. But look, he is,

He's a movie star. He's a Mike Movistar. Mike Movistar. Sinners, he was, we were waiting for the, can you be a movie star in a movie movie? So actually not, That's like Brad Pitt in F4. Because I have you, you've seen Black Panther. Yeah.

Michael B. Jordan, but you saw F1, right? How are you feeling about Damson as a movie star? We really like him. Do you recast him as T'Challa? Is that on the table? That's the rumor. So the rumor is he's Black Panther now. That's the rumor.

Do you think he can kind of like take that? Did you see in F1, cause like the question is, can he go from Snowfall TV show to movie stardom in F1 to like leading entire franchise? I'm with it. I think he could do it. I thought he carried himself like a leading man in F1.

Even though I didn't really have a history with him in a movie like that. You didn't watch Snowfall? No, just like a movie like that, where he's like, I had to believe in him as my hero. I wanted more, I think in the second movie, I'm just like, I think Brad Pitt could take a, kind of like, backseat. I thought he had it.

I think he's a star. So I would say, easy work. You can't not like Avengers Infinity War. Endgame might not work on you. He can't watch Infinity. He's not gonna know what's going on, bro. This is fucking Spider-Man. Endgame might not work on you. Because. He can't watch Infinity. He's not gonna know what's going on, bro. It's fucking Spider-Man.

He knows who Spider-Man is. Spider-Man, Iron Man, there are none of the B-list characters in the movie. I think he would know. You know who Thor is, right? Yeah. I would say Winter Soldier. Definitely.

I would say Infinity War, just because I don't think he can miss and Charles was the last one. Honestly, I think you would like Guardians. You like Team Dynamics. You might like that. You you would like Guardians. You like Team Dynamics. You might like that. I do like Team Dynamics. I mean, and also the last thing about Superman,

you love dogs, Crypto. Oh shit! Crypto is amazing in this movie. This is the thing, you're gonna love this movie. Okay. Do you have a good dog or a misbehaved dog? I've had both. You've had both, you're going like yeah

Well, you met murph right now I'll fuck with murph. Yeah, but it doesn't like everybody. Yeah, he's you have to come in a few times. Yeah Murph is krypton. Hey, you're gonna love this movie. Yeah um Wait, I just blanked on what I was gonna oh the superhero movie that does charles know my superhero that didn't get a movie yet that I can't believe didn't get a movie? I don't think he's ever heard it. You might not have heard it. I think I did. Wait, wait, who's this hero? Plastic Man. Oh, yeah, we did talk about- we haven't talked about it on a pod, but we talked about it at the trip. So when I was a kid, and they asked me in Saturday morning cartoons, they had a Plastic Man cartoon. It was fucking great.

And he could do all this like stretch himself out shit and had a hot girlfriend because he was plastic All right, so but let's follow up with but I always thought that as the technology got better I always thought plastic man, you know would be Stretching is very hard to do they're trying to do it in the new Fantastic Four movie That's coming out a couple weeks. He could reach up and grab airplanes. You know, canonically, Superman is afraid of Plastic Man. Plus like plastics you get, like what's going on in the world now where we all have little pieces of plastic from drinking bottled water. Plastic Man's not really made of plastic. Well, is Plastic Man bad for the environment?

Like there's all these ways it could go. They might do it, but like he's, he's the, he's ridiculously powerful. So powerful because he used to be a criminal. So powerful that Superman's a little wary of him. Superman's like, this guy might be the most powerful guy in the Justice League. We gotta watch out for Plastic Man. Plastic Man is dumb powerful.

I don't know. He wants to make the movie. We have the technology now though. No, comedically I think you need like a comic actor. So what's the best- Bill Hader. Bill Hader would be fucking amazing. Best Ringerverse movie of the first 25 years

of the 21st century. We should have done this. We should have done this. It's like the big big deal. You can do it anyway. No, we're doing it. We got some shit. It's Dark Knight.

What's number one? Dark Knight still hasn't been topped. That's why, like, that's the movie to me. Everybody's like, but I know what Van's gonna say. He's gonna say, you gonna say end game. You know, it is Dark Knight, without a doubt. It's not even close, but like, it almost doesn't count. How?

Because it's not really a superhero movie. It's a psychological thriller with Batman. It's basically The Town. Yeah, yeah, it is, no, the answer is The Dark Knight. It's supposed to be The Heat and The Town. Yeah, that superhero movie. I could make a really compelling argument that the reason why the movie resonates with people like it is

is because it's closer to those movies than it is to the stuff that we're talking about. But the movie has Batman and the fucking Joker in it. So if it's not The Dark Knight, what would it be? It'd be either Iron Man or Endgame. Iron Man is actually probably the... Yeah. Before we go, can you make the case for me to watch season four of The Bear? Because I still haven't dove in yet. Have you watched season three of the bear? I watched all three

I love the bear. I didn't like season three as much. This was a bounce back season to me. Don't listen to Andy Andy on the watch. He's my boy. Call him out. You know what I'm saying? But like there's a lot of hate going on. I think Then we ended up I would say there was probably only one episode this season that I was like, eh, and not even bad. Just kind of just like bored. I haven't listened to the pod yet because I haven't watched the episodes yet. And it was really fun. The bear was fun again.

Because the show got to a point to where... Season three was too grim. It was too grim. I think he got thrown off by that Thanksgiving episode and how intense that was. And all the cameos. And it really affected season three. I agree. There is a episode in season four

that is a spiritual successor to that, was it Thanksgiving or Christmas? Christmas, whatever. To that episode. The fishes, yeah. But it's the other way. So where that episode was super intense and almost suffocating, this episode has all of the same people, the same family dynamics.

However, it's a release and they executed it really well. Are you... So is your, like, apprehension to the bear just that it got to... It's not apprehension. I'm just not ready yet. Because it's intense. This one felt less to. It's not apprehension, just not ready yet. Because it's intense. This one felt less intense. It's not the same anymore. They took the notes where it was just like, hey bro, we gotta bring some of the comedy back.

I actually laughed this season, which like third season, I was like, no. Before we go, can I pitch you a superhero movie? I'm ready. Late 90s baseball steroids era superhero. Oh. Yeah, that's it. That's all I got.

Wait, why does he, do the steroids give him? Everyone's on steroids, but we actually have a real superhero in baseball. Nobody realizes it. Oh, that's good. Oh! They've played around with that. They've played around with that a little bit,

but that's good. Like he's like, finally have some cover, because all these guys are these steroid monsters hitting 60 homers. I can finally- I thought you were saying steroids give him the powers, but no. Right. I can finally play baseball

and people won't be suspicious if I'm a superhero. Cause all these other guys are cheap. He's taking piss tests. That's all I got to say. That's it. This is actually, we're giving away recipes, but this is a limited and you have a reporter. Eight episode Apple.

Eight episode Apple. You have a reporter and that reporter is doing some sort of profile on him. She's a hot lady. Starts realizing there's something more going on. Starts to realize. She thinks it's a creatine thing but it's not. At the same time, you know what?

The owner of the team is actually a nefarious super villain. This guy. Definitely bald, bald white guy. This guy. Looks like Bezos. He's doing the whole deal, but it starts to become, are you gonna continue to chase what's happening on the field, or are you gonna use

your superhero powers for good? Whole thing, but it's rated R though. You know, it's sex, it's baseball, it's the whole nine. It's a dirty, baseball superhero steroids movie. What team would you want them to play for? Yankees. Thank you. Let's go.

All right. Thanks guys, good to see you. He's got the best battle. All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Ben and Charles. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. I'm gonna be back on Sunday, a week from now. So you'll make it.

Nothing's happening. It'll be fine. This is the most boring, boring week of the year. If anything crazy major happens, I'll come back. Otherwise, I'm going to be doing football prep, getting ready, trying to top my 27 and five on the over-under from last year, which I'll never top. I'm probably going to suck.

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