The Bill Simmons Podcast - An NBA Six-Pack, Belichick to UNC, and Million-Dollar Picks

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons cracks open a NBA 6 pack of topics including possible Jimmy Butler trades, next year out-of-nowhere contenders, a NBA rules tweak, and more (2:58). Then BIll is joined by ESPN's Seth Wickersham to discuss Bill Belichick becoming the next head football coach of the North Carolina Tar Heels, why Belihcick didn't wait around for an NFL opening, how his philosophy might translate to the college game, and more (25:02). Finally Bill talks with Joe House about some NBA Cup odds and the NFL weekend slate (01:21:13), before making the Million Dollar Picks for NFL Week 15 (01:59:29). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Seth Wickersham and Joe House Producers Kyle Crichton and Chia Hao Tat The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We hit a little bit with Jacoby and Goldsberry on Tuesday night's podcast. Specifically, we talked about Jimmy Butler and Golden State and how from a Golden State standpoint, you saw it last night too, I think they have a two to three year window here with Curry and Draymond to compete for a title, whether they're gonna win a title remains to be seen,

but they need one more offensive player, somebody who can take the burden. You saw in the game last night, they're up six with two and a half minutes left and just some of the worst possessions you could possibly have, they become very easy to stop at the end of game. So Jimmy Butler is somebody that makes sense for them. And kind of fits in him, Draymond, and some role players.

You can kind of see it, it's not nothing. So he makes 48.8 million this year, and he has a player option. The player option's key because everybody thinks that he's either gonna opt out at the end of the year and become a free agent, or he'll want to do an extension with Miami, which Miami Clear doesn't wanna do

because they're at a year and a half to do it. Okay, so we talked about some of the apron stuff on Tuesday and how hard it is to make trades in the NBA right now. And I was saying how, on the one hand, I kinda like it because it's a little more like the NFL. Guys are kinda stuck in their situations. You can't just decide you're unhappy in a month and be, I want to go somewhere else.

You look at Brandon Ingram, you look at Zach Levine. These are guys that are actually, well, Ingram just got hurt, but guys that were playing pretty well in situations that they weren't happy with because they didn't really have any other choice. And that could be how it plays out with Jimmy Butler. Um, on the other hand, we've, we've already seen that he can get a little frisky if he's not happy. I think Miami is feeling that pressure too. And if you're Miami, where are you going?

You're, you're light years away from the Boston OKC Cleveland group. You're not even really a second tier contender. You're probably a second and a half tier contender. And maybe you could use Butler's contract. You could put Roger with it. You could try to create a new world for yourself where you're basically just paying Hero and Bam and Duncan Robinson's last year, next year, and some other things.

And you're under 110 million heading into free agency this summer with a lot of options. You might just want to blow it up and redo it. The problem is this apron stuff. And for Miami, it's not that bad because they are not hard capped. They're over the first apron. They're under the because they are not hard capped. They're over the first apron. They're under the second apron, not hard capped,

which means you can actually make four for twos, three for twos, four for threes, all those kind of trades. But some of the teams that they would be trading with, it's just not realistic with the apron. Like, Shams reported he had Dallas and Phoenix and some teams that I just don't think there's any way, shape, or form that there's a trade to be had with either side because of the apron stuff and because of the lack of assets. But that did lead to Jimmy's agent, Bernie Lee, getting really mad at Choms, which I loved.

He's probably, he's one of my only agents that actually like... Anyway, Golden State. So Golden State is hard capped at the first apron. I swear there's not gonna be a test after this. And 1.7 million under the second apron, which is key because that means they can make three for ones, four for twos, stuff like that, as long as they don't pop over the second apron. I'm sorry, this is so much math. Here's the trade.

It would be Wiggins and Kaminga and Melton, who's out for the year, right? So that's 46.6 million, and Jimmy's making 48.8 million. Well, that doesn't work for Golden State. They also only have 14 guys, so if they do have four for one, they would have to then sign more guys to get to 14, because that's the rule. Well, that doesn't work either.

So, I don't really know how it works with Golden State, unless they dump one of their guys, Kyle Anderson, Gary Payton, Moses Moody, who they just signed to an extension. They'd have to dump somebody to a third team and I always get suspicious when that becomes in play. This is why Houston just seems like such a logical team to me and I know they're on a high right now.

They just made the NBA Cup semifinals with some help from Bill Kennedy. Great call. Always want to call that loose ball foul. When guys dive on each other, which never gets called ever, you definitely want to decide a game that way. Great job by him. The problem for Houston right now

is the end of the game stuff. And you saw it yesterday. They're, as I've said before, they're probably my favorite league pass team. But the end of the game stuff. And you saw it yesterday. As I've said before, they're probably my favorite league pass team, but the end of the game stuff is where it gets a little dodgy with them. And a lot of that has to do with Fred Van Vleet, who just has not been that good this year. 16 points a game, all shooting stats are down.

And he's also a team option for next year at 42.9 million. So you could actually use Van Vleet as part of a mega trade, right? So they have Steven Adams at 42.9 million. So you could actually use Van Vleet as part of a mega trade, right, so they have Steven Adams at 12.6, they have Green and Tate at eight and seven and a half that are expiring, they have a lot of options too, they also have a ton of picks, they have a couple of Brooklyn picks,

they have a couple of Phoenix picks, they own some of their own first, so they have a lot of flexibility and maneuverability. And the trade that I created, being the Picasso of the trade machine, if it's Van Vliet and it's Adams is expiring and Tate's expiring and Cam Whitmore, who I actually like, who's just buried

because he's got the terror twins in front of him, Jalen Green, and you get Butler and Roger back, and you put a pick in that trade, and Miami is saving seven million just on that deal. Plus they get a pick. They get to look at Whitmore. They get Van Vweet. They get to kind of stay peripherally competitive this year.

They could still move Van Vweet in a one for one trade if they wanted to, if it was a salary close. That trade makes sense to me for both sides because it allows Miami to reboot. It allows Houston to end up with Butler, Brooks, Shangoon, Green, Rogier, Jabari, the Terror Twins, and Landell, and I already had them third or fourth in the West anyway, and I like Van Vliet, oh, I forgot Shepherd too.

I like Van Vliet, but I think they could get by with Adam, and you put Butler, and Butler now becomes the end of the game guy. I think he'd have a chip on his shoulder. That's the trade I'm rooting for. I just think that's a fun trade for everybody. Plus, it would be yet another Miami situation where they're doing a reboot and it seems like it's bleak

and they're done and then all of a sudden they're a 55 win team again because they make two moves. Anyway, that is number one. Leading to number two, what the hell does Golden State do if they can't get Jimmy Butler? Because I think it's gonna be really hard to pull off. You're gonna have to trade a pick in a Jimmy Butler trade. You're gonna have to trade another pick

to get rid of the contract you need to make it happen, or put Pod Zemsky, send him somewhere else to create the thing. Like, is it worth it to trade Wiggins and Kamega and Melton and a pick and then send Pod Zemsky somewhere else to get another asset to get Jimmy Butler? I don't think it is. My advice for them, the Brooklyn Nets are in a bizarre situation right now where they're playing really well and they're overachieving because Jordy Fernandez has been a revelation

as a coach. It really reminds me of Will Hardy that first year in Utah, Brad Stevens his first year in Boston. We see this happen from time to time where the coach is just too good for the tank. So Brooklyn's gonna have to start sabotaging their own team. And they have Cam Johnson, who's having the best year of his career. He's 19 a game, 45% three.

I-Test looks the best he's been. 28 years old, he's a little older than I think you think he is. But if I was going to stay out of Audible and go after Cam Johnson and Schreuger and try to figure out, is there something we can do with Wiggins? So we want to put cominga in that if we don't want to pay cominga next year, could you turn comingaa into Cam Johnson basically? Could it be Kaminga and Melton for Cam Johnson?

Is there some version of would you rather pay Cam Johnson 22 million than Kaminga for 30? Do you try to get Schroeder in it? Could it be Wiggins, Melton, and an unprotected first for Johnson and Schroeder? Does Kaminga even need that bit? It just feels like Brooklyn Golden State seems the matchup, seems like the matchup for me.

So keep an eye on that. I don't think Golden State's gonna be able to get a second star. I don't see a scenario where they get LeBron and Bronie back. LeBron and Bronie making 50 million combined. They'd have all the same problems that they would have trying to get Jimmy Butler that I just laid out. On top of the fact that LeBron is at his 22nd season

and doesn't play defense anymore. So Brooklyn seems like the spot for them. I'm still bullish on this Golden State team, but Curry needs some help. Next thing. So the wilt 50 club, which I just created one second ago, where you have to play 50 games and you have to average 50 points, rebounds, and assists combined at least. And it is not as easy as you think, my friends. Just since the merger, Kareem did it three times.

Highest was 56 in 1971. Luca did it last year, 52.9. Russ did it in his MVP season, 52.7. Bob McAdoo, 50.8 in 1975. Giannis is doing it right now, 50.1. Hardin did it in 2019, 50.3. And Jokic, 56.1 right now, which would be the single highest number

anyone has done since Wilt and Russell were playing. So the reason it's the Wilt 50 Club, Wilt has the top six, Wilt has 10 in the top the top 11 will it average the 78.4 points rebounds assist combined in 1962. That's insane. Oscar Robertson did it five times. Pettit did it twice. Eldred did it twice. Walt Bellamy did it once.

We don't count Walt Bellamy. Jordan's highest ever 48.9. Shaq's highest ever 47.1. Bird 45.8. LeBron 45.6, Kobe 45.2. Just getting to 50 is really hard. I like the 50 club. Let's create it.

Yoko's right now 32, 14, and 10. And he's shooting 56, 50, and 81%. 33.2 PER. This season's just insane. But I don't know how high this goes, because it's too high right now. He's not going to be continuing to do the stuff that he's been doing. It's not realistic.

But could he end up 31, 13, and 9? Could he end up 32, 13, and 10? I don't know. I'm prepared for anything, because nobody on the team could score. So the 50 Club... I think Jokic... Kareem is the highest ever. 56.0. I think Jokic could potentially set the record. I'm in on the 50 Club. All right, they wanted me to do a superior take and I have one, of course.

I've been thinking a lot about the fouling at the end of the game stuff because there was the Celtics-Cavaliers game which has now become infamous. I think it was a lot about the fouling at the end of the game stuff, because there was the Celtics Cavaliers game, which has now become infamous, I think it was a week and a half ago. Celtics are down four with under 30 seconds left. There are 18 free throw attempts in the last 26 seconds. Both teams just were fouling each other. Everybody was like, nobody's gonna shoot a three.

Well, I'll foul you two, and it just becomes a foul off. Final score was 115 and 111. They were 20 points scored in the last 26 seconds because of all the free throws. And I think I speak for everyone. This sucks. The free throw parade down the stretch is abominable and it feels like it's getting worse.

So how do we fix it? Well, I have a regular season fix for this. If you foul somebody in the last minute of a game, no matter what the score is, whether you're leading or trailing, the first free throw counts for two points. And that's it. And if you make it,

you get basically the two points for the free throws the game keeps going. If you miss it, you still get to shoot a second free throw, but that only counts for one point. So when we have these foul-offs at the end, Peyton Pritchard gets fouled by Cleveland You still get to shoot a second free throw, but that only counts for one point. So when we have these foul offs at the end, Pritchard gets fouled by Cleveland, even though they're up four.

If Pritchard hits one, now it's a two point game. And that's how it goes. And I really think it would work. I don't know who would be against it. And let's speed these games up, because the other option is the Elam ending, which nobody really understands. Two points for your first free throw

in the last minute of the game. Let's try it in the regular season. Let's see if it works, and if it works, we do it for the playoffs. That's my superior take. All right, two more things really quick. Who could be next year's out of nowhere young contender? So this would be a team playing right now that a year from now maybe would look like

the Rockets right now as one of the best four teams in the west. The Rockets were 41 and 41 last year. Maybe it looks like OKC last year when they won 57 games the year before they were 40 and 42. Maybe it looks like Memphis in 2022 when they won 56 games the year before they were 38 and 34. So a team that's around 500, maybe a little bit lower,

but has some pedigree, at least one young star with a chance to be really great, need to be around 500, need to have some other fun pieces, and there's two candidates, one for each conference. The Pistons, this is a team. Marcello has been very focused on. I always admire Rosalias love for, uh, for weirdly compelling East coast teams. Detroit's 10 for 15 played a pretty hard schedule.

They lost to Boston twice, lost to Milwaukee twice, lost to Cleveland, lost to Houston, lost to Memphis, lost to Orlando, uh, split with the Knicks. And they've been hanging around a lot of these games, and Russel has made this point in his pod, but these early afternoon, like four o'clock games, you're usually stuck with like whatever the 7 p.m. Eastern. So I've actually watched some Detroit and I've watched some Charlotte.

And I like what Detroit has going. Better than Monty Williams as a coach, which is the number one thing. But Cade's 24 points a game, seven rebounds, nine assists. He has hit every sort of ceiling you would have thought he was gonna hit at this point. Shoot almost 40% from three. Like he's just really good. He's somebody that you could build a team around. Beasley and Harris were two pretty smart free agent signings. They're averaging 30 a game and shooting 40% from three.

Jade and Ivy's been good. They have rebounding. And I wonder, like, if I'm them, fuck it, do I do a trade? Do I try to get, you know, Brandon Ingram's on a discount, Zach Levine's on a discount, C.J. McCollum's on a discount. Do I think about Jimmy Butler? They don't have to worry about any of this apron stuff.

This could be another Cam Johnson team. This is actually kind of a perfect Cam Johnson team. I wonder if Detroit is going to look at what happened with Orlando and OKC the last couple years and what's happening with Houston this year and think like, hmm, I wonder if we make one move here. Could our ceiling increase, especially if Miami goes backwards, Indiana's already gone backwards,

could we be a top 16 potentially? So I'm watching them, the other team is obviously San Antonio, who's 12 and 12, which is surprising because I haven't really enjoyed watching them. Sohan, Castle, and Johnson, shoot, 27% for three combined. Chris Paul, better season than we expected, but he's old and who knows with him. But the foundation I like, they have Wemby and Castle

and Harrison Barnes and Pauls, they have some good vets, they have a couple heat check dudes, and they have a lot of picks, they have a shitload of picks, and I wonder, is that a Cam Johnson team? Probably not a Jimmy Butler team, but could it be like a C.J. McCollum team? I'm watching them to see, are they just gonna be happy to be a 500 team again? I don't know why they would be,

because they're gonna be too good to tank. They're not gonna be in the top five or top six, so maybe think about going for it. Which leads me to the sixth and last thing for the six pack, Atlanta. A team that I really liked before the season. You probably remember from the over under pod. House and I went all in on their over.

A team that I mentioned last week when House and I, after Million Dollar Picks, we talked about NBA Futures. I doubled down when I was in Denver last week on FanDuel with the Atlanta over under stuff because it was 38 and a half. Right now they're 14 and 12. They upset the Knicks last night

and it wasn't even really an upset. I thought they kind of dominated them in the second half. And I really do wonder if that was a playoff series. I would be super scared if I was the next cause they don't really have a way to, to control the tray young dribble slash dribble penetration, whatever we're calling it these days. Their wings kind of match up against the Knicks wings, the Atlanta wings.

They have rebounding. It's just, I think that's a dangerous matchup for them. Their third in pace, which I like, and I wonder if Atlanta has a real chance to become this year's pacers. The key for them, two things. One is the three point shooting. Daniels is only at 31%, Riche de Chez is 28%.

Trey's 31%, which is bad. Hunter has been overachieving. He's 45%. But can those swings start hitting more threes? Then secondly, what are we getting from Trey? I think, I think this is it. I think we've hit the, let's figure this out once and for all moment with Trey, almost like a political candidate for an election.

Um, he's been dining off that conference finals thing for a few years now, which I think we all know happened because Embiid was super banged up. There were a couple of fluky games and Ben Simmons basically had a basketball mental breakdown and just completely lost it for whatever reason. Trey this year, 21 and 12, 12 assists a game solid. 38% shooting, 31% from three, which doesn't stop him from launching the 29 footers. Free throws are down to six a game. They used to be at nine. Turnovers highest they've ever been, 4.6.

And with all of that said, this is the perfect team for him. He's got swings everywhere. He's got a bunch of guys to protect him on defense. Daniels, whoever the other team's point guard is, you saw it with the Knicks game with Brunson. Daniels can guard every team's point guard, small guard, whoever it is, Mitchell, Garland, name a guy. You can put Daniels on him.

They're playing the Bucks, He can guard Dame Lillard. He can guard anybody, uh, in the league who's under six, eight and Jalen Johnson. You know, if you're ranking the swings, Jalen Johnson, Daniels, OJN and Obi and Bridges, I think I would take Jalen Johnson over the other three guys. And Daniels is going to be a first team all MBA defense guy. So. Perfect spot for Trey. He's got rebounding, he's got shop blocking, he's got lob guys.

He's got tall interchangeable shooters all over the place. And I don't, I was thinking like, what would the trade be? Should maybe they go get Cam Johnson's like, I'm not even sure they need to do trade, especially now that Bogdanovich is back and they have some six man scoring stuff. It really comes down to Trey Young. How good is he? Cause he is in the perfect race car for him right now. And maybe over the course of these next 20, 25 games,

he's going to start figuring it out. He's a guy that you saw in the next game in MSG. The bigger the stage, the more he seems to like it, whether he's missing 29 footers or not, um, he's one of the, him and Lamello are the two irrational confidence superstars that we have right now. And if, if we're ever going to find out that Trae, um, can be a real piece on a team that wins 50 games and actually competes in a real way. It should start happening right around now. So maybe we'll see it.

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He's popped on here a few times to talk about big picture NFL shenanigans at the coach owner scale and other stuff and the Patriots and Belichick shockingly to a lot of people goes back to college. You wrote about it for ESPN today. I don't really even know where to begin, but I guess I'll start here. People see this story. However they feel about Belichick is my takeaway. And I'm just judging it from the people in my life who are emailing about it.

The people who love Belichick thinks he thinks he's a great coach. Like, I can't believe there was another NFL job for him. The people who are done with his style of doing thought he was a little overrated are all like, see nobody in the NFL for him. The people who were done with his style of doing, thought he was a little overrated, are all like, see, nobody in the NFL wanted him. And the truth is, the story really hits both sides of that spectrum, right? There's no doubt.

And I think that what makes that interesting is that that reflects a lot of the coach, GM and owner divide in the NFL. I mean, I think they'd like rank and file coaches, Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, ask any of those guys if they think Bill Belichick should be coaching in the NFL, and you won't even be able to finish the sentence before they say yes. Whereas at the GM level though, and the ownership level, there's just so much concern. And I think that part of it is his record. Part of it is, you know, that for, you know, the last half of the dynasty,

certainly, you know, Robert Kraft made it a secret that he could be impossible to work with at times, even as they were winning. But I think that there's just a sense that even if Belichick is willing to be deferential to existing infrastructures and existing GMs, whoever they might be, there's a sense that like, if you hire this guy, you got to kind of let him do it his way and give him the keys, even if he's not technically asking for it. And I think what changed... 2024 has been an interesting year for Belichick, and we should talk about that. But what changed, I think, was that I think that he began to think, maybe I don't really

want this. And I don't want to take the risk and wait in January, hoping that I might get one interview and might get one job when I can go to a program that I've got a little bit of history with, have the space to win or lose on my terms and in my career that way. All right. So there's two major things to unpack there. One is, how do I even know if I'll get a job in January? And then the other piece is how do I know I want the job? So we'll talk about the league dynamics because I think that's such a big part of this.

He had such a bad experience with the Crafts the last five to seven years, really starting with the stuff you were writing about in the mid 2010s that I think, and I was one of them, a lot of the Patriot fans who had gone through Deflategate and Spygate, and then people were starting to write about the dissension between Kraft and Belichick and Brady and all of us were like, fuck you, there's no dissension, we're fine. But then as the years

pass, clearly there was, but I think the Krafts thing got so dysfunctional the last five years, and if you didn't believe it, you just had to watch the Apple doc, which was one of the most insane pieces of sports content anyone's ever released, where it was just an absolute hatchet job that tried to erase Belichick, especially from the first three Super Bowls, where I don't care where you stand on the Belichick versus Brady thing. Belichick was a bigger reason they won the first three Super Bowls. It's a fact, the way he put the roster together, the defense he had, the game planning, and it was almost like they knew that.

So they had to steer it toward everything that happened after that. And part of me wonders, was he just so disenchanted with his experience with the crafts that as he looked around the available jobs and you see father, son, duo and competent franchise father, son, duo, and he's just looking around going. That looks awful. I was already in that situation. Maybe I could have control over my own situation. So just the NFL infrastructure, which you've written about a lot.

Is it more dysfunctional than we even know about? Cause there's maybe seven franchises that are run smoothly and correctly. And then two thirds of the league at least are kind of a disaster. Totally. And I think that, yeah, it's, first of all, to go back to like the early part of the dynasty, like, you know, you and I talked about it when my Patriots book came out, I mean, those were hugely formative years because Belichick finally had the, the, the people, the quarterback in place to do what he had

had in his mind for so long in terms of like being able to create an actual team and you know that's where that ethos started and I think that like then Wright Thompson and I and Vanada reported on it a year ago or so that you know Belichick really felt like the crafts had eroded what he had built in the past couple of years. Crafts, of course, were pissed off that he let Brady walk out and he told Craft that Brady couldn't play anymore and he goes into the Super Bowl. But then, yeah, 2024, he gets fired by the Crafts, even though they call it a mutual parting of ways, Craft later comes out and says that he was fired.

Well, and he was also telling everyone in NFL circles, like, yeah, I fired him. Exactly. And then you have seven openings and only one team shows any interest in him. He meets with the owner twice. And then the next thing you know, you know, he's voted off the island as we reported about, and you're talking about Atlanta, Atlanta. And like, he was willing to work with GM Terry Fontenot. He was willing to work with Rich McKay even though there's

a lot of history there. Yeah. But you know at the end of the day they not only went with Raheem Morris but they made a decision against Belichick like didn't finish in any of the decision makers top three candidates and they leaked too, to make them look bad, which I thought was really interesting. It was our reporting. I mean, it's a little bit different than they leaked it, but yeah, we learned about it. Well, true.

You're right. Yes. But you said you were reporting it, you're finding out that they were in the top three. So they're telling somebody. Absolutely. So he gets shut out. Then you have the dynasty comes out which just you know, really

roundly dismisses his Influence, you know in that team's historic run So start this season. He's got his media gigs But every week he and a lot of the old Patriots assistants who are also out of work would would do these zooms and they would get Go through every team every game every situation every situation, these high level conversations. And I think the subtext of it all was like what teams and organizations sound good for us if the, if the situation comes up. And there wasn't a lot of back channel communication with owners. I think that the Brian Forrest lawsuit has impacted that greatly.

Can you explain that? Cause that's such a crucial piece of this. So like five years ago, there's texting, there's, Hey, what's going on over there. And you're just back channeling constantly. And the florist thing just completely ended that. Well, it's an ongoing discrimination lawsuit against the league and three teams. And I think that owners, you know, don't want to get wrapped up in that. They don't want to be part of that. They don't want to violate the Rooney rule. And so I'm not convinced that Belichick wouldn't have ended up with an NFL job. I just think we're never going to know.

And I think that the ones that he thought he might have a chance at just didn't seem appealing enough. And I think that on those Zoom calls, midway through the season, all of a sudden, the college game just seemed much more appealing to him. And he wanted to discuss certain programs, how it would work if they tried to implement some of the Patriot way at that level. And again, I was as shocked as anybody. I think you and I were texting about it when North Carolina came up. And it's not Notre Dame exactly, but he felt like this is a good place to end his career the way that he wants to end his career, which is working with people that

he cares about, that he likes, and when you're losing on his terms. Well, and he has a little bit of a father legacy with them. It's a great place to live. It's a place that seems like they were willing to give them the car keys. I want to go through those NFL jobs though, because it's such a crucial piece of this. Because there's going to be a narrative like, ah, the league rejected him. And, you know, even your piece tapped into that. Did Belichick reject the league first or did they already reject him? But if you go through the jobs, Las Vegas, assuming that becomes open after the year,

I mean, they have two wins, but I'm just guessing. Well, Mark Davis fired McDaniels. He's a legacy kid. Um, that's a franchise that's never, I would say been stable the last decade. So he's not going there. Jacksonville, which I thought I don't, I don't think he, I think consistently he, he really didn't want to go out West. Well, and also they don't have a quarterback. There's so many variables to cross them up. Jacksonville is the team I thought made the most sense, but what do they have? They have

the father son duo who's been pretty incompetent over the last 10 years. Like he just dealt with that with the crafts. Now he's getting the more incompetent version of the crafts. Trevor Lawrence, you'd have to really talk yourself into. And it would have to be a situation where they just gave him everything, but they've already proven they don't really work that way. The son runs the analytics department. And it just seems like that wasn't a match.

So cross them off. New Orleans, no quarterback. The Benson family, they're a mess. He's not going there. They're in Capel. You can't succeed there. That makes no sense. Cross them off. The Jets, no quarterback and he can't stand Woody Johnson. Took shots at him constantly all the way during the season and all his media places. So cross them off. The Giants were interesting because I thought that was another possibility, but it's pretty clear that he really likes day ball. And even in some of the reporting was like telling them like, you guys need a better front office, but you have a good coach.

He just didn't want to shank day ball. So that's out. Plus they don't have a QB. Dallas, we won't know until January, right? That's another father son duo, by the way, but won't know until January. And he didn't want, he couldn't wait that long because this North Carolina job was either going to be there or not. So let that one go. And then the only other one I can think of before the one that you talked about in your

piece, Cincinnati, if this ended badly, they didn't make the playoffs and they fire Zach Taylor, who has not covered himself in glory this year. That's a really good job because you have Borough, Ohio. But again, you can't wait till January. So the only one that really might have made sense was Chicago. And in your reporting, they seemed receptive to that one, right? But Chicago is just they want one of those offensive WizKid play out, play callers. Everybody has been Johnson linked to them already. So just didn't seem like a fit. And that was the one team that seems like they've rejected him kind of.

Yeah. And I mean, again, what, what are those situations is interesting. I mean, that Dallas is interesting to me because nobody can take a collection of talent and turn them into a team quite like Belichick. But again, you know, can the Jones share the spotlight with someone like Belichick? You know, I have no doubt that they could all get along, but I don't know if Jerry Jones values coaches enough to, you know, go after someone like Bill. And so Jason Garrett for eight years or nine years. So we know the answer to that already. Exactly.

And so I think that like, again, you know, he, he saw the giants as a rebuild, but he also believes that Brian day balls done a good job. And so it was like, you take yourself out of the running for that. If they were even considering it. And, um, you know, again, this is all just, I think that like, and even Cincinnati, I mean, remember when he would go on his podcast or on the McAfee show, I mean, he was really critical of Burrow. And usually when he does that publicly, you know that there's a lot more there in terms

of his private scouting report of a certain player. So were you devouring some of the Belichick media stuff, because you know him so well and you know the trying to just like the little breadcrumbs he was dropping one way or the other. Was that like a sport for you? I loved it. You know, it was, it was, it was really fun. It was really fun. I mean, that's all we've wanted, right? Because what you, what you have is the, you know, for all these decades, you knew, you know, you had his, his, his public performance, which was very buttoned up. And then the things you would learn about what they were like behind

the scenes and the way that they would really, you know, put so much thought into like all these decisions. It was just mind blowing. And so I loved like just getting a glimpse of that this year from him. And especially like his disdain for certain things was really funny. Like sloppy special teams just like really, really cut into the heart. Yeah. I interviewed, I interviewed, I was talking with Peyton Manning earlier this year, um, for my quarterbacks book. And, you know, he was talking about how Belichick just loves

coming on the Manning cast and loves watching punts. Yeah. Like Belichick, if there was a punt near the end zone and the guy screwed it up and fell into the end zone, it was like Belichick was being electro shocked on the sidelines. It was, it was the worst thing that could happen to him as somebody screwing up a basic play. And then you watched him when we had an Atlanta game and I think he was on the manning cast and he's just ripping them for sloppy tackling

and things like that. And that was a job, obviously, they made a point of making sure everyone knew why they didn't hire him. And so I enjoyed that stuff quite a bit. Yeah, he seemed like he had an ax to grind against Atlanta, the jets. He couldn't take Willie Johnson shots enough. There, there were a couple others, but you know, I'm torn on this because. I really thought him trying to be the coach GM, everything the last couple

years, which just wasn't sustainable anymore. And he wasn't good at it. The free agent draft stuff the last five years, he was just bad. And you could see the results in the roster. He just didn't do a very good job. Um, and, and that combined with, I think he had a lot of trouble replenishing replenishing assistance. Once guys got plucked left and right, that becomes really hard to just.

Keep replenishing these guys that you kind of taught your whole system to. You get older, you don't have the same kind of motor. So you know, the way he did it in the 2000s, no chance he was going to be able to do that again. But I still feel like he was a pretty good, a pretty like top, maybe not top seven coach, but in the top 10. What was interesting about last year, the team got sloppy in ways that were really uncharacteristic pretty like top, maybe not top seven coach, but in the top 10.

What was interesting about last year, the team got sloppy in ways that were really uncharacteristic for Belichick. And I do think people around the league probably noticed that. This wasn't like the same buttoned up overachieving thing. Now their defense overachieved and finished

like I think sixth in DVOA. Some of that had to do with the schedule. Some of that had to do with when you're playing a team, you're not necessarily throwing the kitchen sink at them. You're just trying to get through the game. Um, little, some of it was smoke and mirrors, but at the same time, the team did overachieve. They were awful offensively. They couldn't have been worse. And the reason I bring this up is the irony of all of this is the best job for

him. I think would have been the Patriots for 2025 with like some pieces desperately needed, like a stable hand and they have an awesome quarterback, right? Which is the thing he didn't have for six years. And the funniest thing about all of this is that was the perfect job for him, but it never would have happened. Never would have happened. So there was definitely no chance. Um, and, you know, I think that.

Although Ben and JLo happens, so maybe, maybe there's, maybe no chance is too strong. There have been reunions that have been shut. The Eagles got back together, but that one would have been an all time shocker, I think. I know I'm trying to think if there's, I mean, you just look at the toxicity of how that ended. And I don't know if there's a sports parallel where they could have like mended that again. I mean, Phil Jackson, Jerry Krauss, I was thinking about that and that wasn't going to, I mean, it was, it's, it got pretty bad. I mean, you saw the body language at the press conference when they let Belichick go, you

saw it at the Brady roast. The roast was the best. He just had complete disdain. He couldn't hide it. Couldn't hide it. And yeah, I mean, I'm with you like on paper in terms of like, if you're looking at the situation that's kind of best suited for him, where you're taking a team that, you know, again, needs to kind of like come together and play smarter.

That might be, you know, the Patriots might be as forte, but yeah, that was never going to happen this year. Yeah. Cause you look like Sean Payton, they give him the car keys in Denver, turns it around now he's younger than Belichick Harbaugh with the chargers this year. Same, same thing. Like there's probably seven, eight guys that could do that. But in those cases, those guys are also running a lot of the front office thinking.

And I think Belichick with his last five years probably lost that with the perfect job would have been, Hey, we have a good team. We ran our course with our coach. Can you just come in? That's why Philly became super interesting in September for a couple of weeks there when it looked like Sirianni was going to go badly. And that was like, whoever's taking that one, that's like a hired gun job. Could he had just come in hired gun?

Hey, just try to win as many games as possible, compete for titles. But then Philly turned it around. They won nine to 10 games. So it makes sense to me that he did this because I do think he just wants to coach and, and maybe he started to realize the NFL isn't for him. Now, on the other hand, could he do this for two years and then realize, oh, that job's open. And all of a sudden he's hopping back.

Do you think the Shula records important to him? Because I've heard different, different takes on this. I think it is important, but it's not the thing, you know, it's not why he gets out of bed in the morning. It's not what really motivates him. And I think that like probably given a year off, you know, he was able to. Reflect a little bit on like, what are the essential things that I enjoy about this job?

And I think that like, you know, one of the things with the New York Giants, let's say he had gone there, and he knows that it's going to take a year to get that team back. He would have been going through his third straight coaching year. So 22, 23, and then next year with, you know, the media on him and whether he's lost his fastball, a daily piece of speculation and content. And I don't think he really wanted to deal with that. And I think that college football media is a little different than the NFL. And I think that even though it's intense in its own ways, like that's something that he won't really have to contend with, I think, um, when he's at

North Carolina. So the things working against him, the crafts poison the well GM performance last five to six years was just bad. Unknown curmudgeon, which he tried his hardest over this with the eight media jobs he had to really try to prove that he wasn't. And I'm in the camp that he's probably more entertaining than a curmudgeon, but I think if. If if he's working for you and you're just a rich guy who wants answers, he's going to be a curmudgeon. Brings a lot of like.

People that come with him. Some would say they're cast offs. Some would say they're people that if it was for Belichick would not be working in the league anymore. But he has a lot of those people, right? And the irony of it is, this is the same kind of thing he probably despises with owners. Like why do I have to deal with your family?

Why do I have to deal with your, you know, now your son's telling me what to do. But this North Carolina situation he's gonna be in, he's gonna bring a lot of like his family with him, including actual family members. So, but it seems like to me, that was probably a huge piece of this for him just working with people that he trusts and likes, right? trust and likes, right? Absolutely. And I think that like, that was something that a year ago when the Eagles, you know, were at, at, at the highest levels, we're talking about, Hey, look, you know, he's available. Do we, do we make a move here?

You know, that was one of the things that was considered is that like, even though those group of minds for the longest time were just like so desired in NFL circles, right? I mean owners just could not wait to try to tap into his thinking until they realize You know that it's it's so singular his system is not a playbook like Bill Walsh's. It's literally his decision-making in real time You know, he did they thought you know, he doesn't necessarily have the best record of developing coaches and considering if he comes in, you have to kind of let him run it his way.

Yeah. Are you doing this again in two years? Are you blowing up the building again? Or do you give someone a third shot at being, you know, a head coach or, you know, one of the people out of that group, a second shot of being a head coach. And so those things were definitely on. Minds. I think that like with Belichick, just him having been in the NFL for half a

century now and been in the public eye. Really for most of the last 30 or so years is that there's just enough material out there that if you want to lay out a convincing conversation as to why you don't want to hire him, it's there. But his record is also there. And I mean, just imagine him going through what he went through last January and February. And then having to go on his podcast and on the McAfee show and everything and explained to us and him trying to do it politely just how stupid some of the coaching is in the NFL. I mean when they have to bring him on to explain what happened at the end of the Bears Lions game. Right. And I mean you know this is

stuff that he knows how to do in his sleep. I mean he is the one who with the clock you know melting down against the Seahawks, saw confusion, saw personnel change, calls, you know, go line three, I think that was the name of it. Butler goes in, all that stuff comes together in a way that I can't ever see being replicated again. So much preparation and thought and execution and stones, for lack of a better word. And yet, you know, you're watching these coaches screw up game situations all the time and they bring him on to try to explain why. And these are the guys who have jobs right now.

Right. Well, this NBA has the same problem. Most, if you have between those two, there's 62 franchises, NBA, NFL, probably three fourths of them are terrible at hiring coaches. And in the NBA coaches just change all the time. The NFL coaches change all the time. We see situations like last year where Iber Fluse clearly, you know, that was going to be risky to bring him back with a new QB. That could have gone either way.

Salah looked like he'd already run his course with the jets. They talked themselves into bringing him back. But, um, a lot of the times he can kind of see it just from not being attached, just from watching your TV, being like, and that guy seems like, like Brandon Staley last year, it was like, like this, there's no way there's no path out of this. So I'm sure Belichick watches that too. And he's like, are you fucking kidding me? Like really?

Absolutely. And I think a year ago, I think it was a year ago, there was a, you know, they have owners meetings and then they have the privilege meeting, which is just owners and you know, maybe they're family members, but it's not team executives. And I think that it was in a privilege session where the league presented some data as to the total amount of money that owners are paying coaches that are no longer working for them. And it was a staggering amount.

And then it prompted all this discussion about the value of coaches or paying these guys too much, all this stuff. But the bottom line is that most owners are not good at this. And even if you're invested in a GM, like I don't want to pick on him, but let's just say Terry Fontenot or whoever it might be. Why not have an owner who says, look, I'm going to keeping you around. I want you to absorb as much as you can from this guy while we have two to three years with him so that we can take the best pieces going forward after he sets the record and

you know rides off into the sunset like that would be some really strategic thinking on an owner's part and Yeah, but said don't know how this works. These the rich guys just call each other and Then you know, they weirdly look out for each other and then, you know, they, they weirdly look out for each other, even though they're all competing against each other in this league. And there's no way that Arthur blank didn't call craft to ask for his take on Belichick. I just refuse to believe he didn't. And there's no way craft didn't give him a bad review. So then if you're blank, yeah, you, yeah, you have this, if you're blank, you have

a franchise that's worth $7 billion, and you're trying to think, do I want to give the car keys to the $7 billion franchise to this guy and his last employer is just absolutely smashing them. You're going to hesitate and you're going to go to the yes man. Because this is the other thing, Lombardi and I talked about this when he was on, I think in August, September. You have a lot of people in these organizations and I've dealt with this professionally too. Job protection people, that their job is just

to keep their own job and they're always going to like push blame on other people and undermine other people because that's how they're going to keep their seat. And that happens in so many of these football. We just saw it happen with the Falcons. The Cousins-Pennex thing is probably a disaster, right? Are there going to be repercussions for it? They're just going to blame other people. Well, Cousins, he didn't tell us he was helping them. They'll figure out how to blame and keep going. Rob Polinka is the master of this with the Lakers.

They fire a coach every year. They've traded all their picks. They've done everything, but somehow everybody else gets blamed for it. So I just think that's such a big part of sports now. And I don't think the common person who just roots for football like sees it. And owners, you bring up two interesting points. I mean, number one is that a lot of them are kind of risk averse and conflict averse, which I think, you know, within that context, it makes you realize just how ballsy it was for Robert Kraft to trade a first round pick for Belichick back in 2000.

Right. Which is his Hall of Fame case, by the way. It's like he not only hired Belichick, he traded a first round pick. He was that convinced of the guy. Absolutely. And then the thing is though, is that you're right. I mean, Groupthink takes over. Even though these guys are in charge of these multi-billion dollar businesses, and even though they're all bosses in their own right of whatever other businesses they might own, when you see votes taken in the NFL, there's not a lot of close votes. They're almost always 31 to 1, Mike Brown never votes, you know, whatever it might be. Like groupthink does just take over. And

I think that like, you know, like we said, they can, they can use whatever excuse they want for why they don't want to hire a ballot check. But it doesn't look good for all of them. It doesn't look good that this guy left and went to college to a mid-level program while we're watching just like so much bad coaching every week. Well, I don't think it's a mid-level program anymore with the kind of money they're probably spending.

I think that for North Carolina, you always have to look like why would somebody do, why would somebody spend, I don't know how much it's 30 for three. I saw 50 for five, whatever it is. Plus all the other people in Belichick's life, plus the commitment to NIL. It's probably like a, I don't know, 40 to $50 million commitment per year. But when was the last time anyone talked about North Carolina football? Like we just got Drake May from them.

And all I read about leading up to Drake May is like, we have no idea how good he is. Cause his team was such dog shit in this last year. Right. That's who you're getting. Um, so this writer named Molly Conley, who's, I think does a good job. And he was on some of the reporting in this, but he wrote a piece today about, uh, about when Bill Walsh went back to Stanford and how badly it went and it went badly for a bunch of different reasons.

College football was totally different back then. Walsh maybe didn't have the stamina or the motor that he thought he did. He tried to bring an NFL mindset and it just went badly. There was a book written about it. And, you know, I've been really like Stuart Mandela, the athletic wrote a piece. Like this is going to be a disaster. Like he was just like, mark my words, come back here in two years. This is going to be a disaster. I don't know whether I'm just like a Belichick junkie at this point or a

Belichick apologist. I don't know. I just, I watched him do so many great things. I just really find it hard to believe he's going to go to college and not be good. And yet the track record said he won't, says that he won't be good. So where do you stand? My gut tells me he'll do pretty well there. Now look, I don't know what that means. You know, does that mean they make the playoffs?

I don't exactly know, but I think when you have a legend who still feels like he has something to prove and is really sharp, I think history usually lends itself pretty well to those guys. And I think that clearly this was a space that in 2024 really just started to appeal to him. And like, from the people I've talked to closest to him, again, in September, when they started these meetings and they're going through all these games, I don't think that they were thinking like, what college program might come open that would be cool.

It was really as the season went on, and he became more intrigued with the college game that he asked these guys to look into some of these programs a little bit more Well, what would it look like if we took my methodologies and tried to adapt them to this? you know, how would that go and you know is The ability to knowing that I'll be able to win or lose on my own terms worth the risk of not interviewing Or you know, yeah Yeah before any of those jobs come open and in of not interviewing or, you know, yeah. Yeah. Hopefully the Dallas or Cincinnati. Yeah.

Before any of those jobs come open and, you know, it was really kind of a resounding yes. There was one thing that I read in some of the stuff that's been written about this already is with this college job, what he wants to do at North Carolina, I thought was fascinating where he basically wants to turn it into this football factory that trains people to go to the NFL. So this is something Cal Perry tried to do at Kentucky, right? This was a big part of their mindset of like college sports is changing. The one and done errors is coming. We are going to be this factory that sends people into the lottery top five pick, whatever you want to be.

We're going to train you to do that. And if you look at the success of the Kentucky guys that came in the NBA, like there's other reasons for that. There are other people that were involved in that, uh, that kind of chain, like people like worldwide West is now one of the people on the list. But a lot of those Kentucky people did come into the league position to succeed and they did. And they've had the most success, I think, of any college the last 15 years. So when I read that about Balachek, I was like, that's interesting that he's trying to reinvent himself basically as, you know, using North Carolina, awesome, awesome school, like one of the top 25 colleges, probably, ACC, you have a natural arrival in Duke, you get to play big games,

you have a chance to make the playoffs, but big picture. Hey, if you want to play in the NFL, you're going to learn stuff here that maybe other places, it won't be the same. That makes sense to me. stuff here that maybe other places, it won't be the same. That makes sense to me. Now, whether he can sell that to some 17 year old kid and some, you know, and their parents and Memphis, Tennessee, or, you know, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, wherever he goes to recruit, I don't know if that's going to work, but it makes sense to me.

It's a pretty good pitch. And I also think that it'll be interesting to see, you know, which NFL teams end up drafting out of be interesting to see, you know, which NFL teams end up drafting out of that program most. Like, you know, when he had the first run with the Patriots, you know, when they win three out of four Super Bowls, and then his system got raided around the NFL, he had some tough drafts there. And one of the reasons was because all of a sudden, what felt like half the league was

looking for the type of player that only he was looking for before. And so all of a sudden there was a premium on those types of players. Now who knows exactly? I mean, it would be interesting to see if the Chargers, if the Ravens, if... Oh, teams that he has connections with. Yes. Yeah. It seems that he would have connections with, you know, the giants, Denver, you

know, with like those types of players, those types of teams end up really looking hard at North Carolina players and wanting them because they'll have a better sense that they're mentally equipped to handle the rigors of the NFL. Name another coach who can get you ready for it. I think that Jim Harbrooke, Michigan could probably do it pretty well. But name another coach who you can say, I will prepare you for what life is like in this league.

And it's, as we all know, that goes way beyond schematics in doing your job. It is a complete lifestyle change. Everyone talks about it, how different it is when football ceases to be your quote unquote job and becomes your real job. And I think that he'll enjoy doing that. Years ago, it was in 2006. It was around the time the Halberstam book came out. Bill wouldn't promote it during the year, but in the offseason, he did a couple of events. He did one at Southern Connecticut. And he received a Distinguished Speaker Award.

And I went to it. And I was really curious on how it was going to go. And he was so at ease in that audience in front of those young minds. And he wasn't talking about football. He showed some clips. He went to the film in a funny way. But he wasn't talking about football and using these flat metaphors for how it prepares you for life and this type of thing. He was actually addressing these kids in terms of their passion and what they want to do and how best to do it. And he was just on fire and he was inspiring. And I do think that that's probably a muscle that he

hasn't had a chance to flex as much in the NFL. And I think that he'll really look forward to doing that because he'll know that the vast majority of even his players won't play in the pros. But I think that he'll enjoy preparing these people for life beyond football, which to be honest, it is even though we know that he can do that, it is surprising for Belichick because he's someone who's like self-worth almost seems tied to, you know, the results of games. Yeah. It made sense to me that he went to a school that actually is a strong academic school.

The other way this could have gone that wouldn't have shocked me is open, but Amherst, Williams, Harvard, Yale, one of those just like he went full div three. Now that would have been tougher for all the people he's bringing with him. And I don't, I don't know if there's same amount of money, but, um, but the North Carolina Duke, that kind of level of really good schools that also, um, have football at a pretty competitive level. It makes sense to me now. I mean, I think that's a good of really good schools that also, um, have football at a pretty competitive level.

It makes sense to me now. The thing he has to deal with here is if he's grumpy, curmudgeon, Belichick, every single person he's coaching is on a one year deal with this new college system and that balance, that's why we've seen a bunch of coaches get out. They didn't want to deal with it, right? He's, he's approaching it fresh, but, um, that that's the biggest X factor to me, right? He's yelling at whoever and they're just like, okay, cool.

I'm going to be at Ohio state next year. So college is kind of a combination and maybe it's unofficially always been this way of like raw NIL money and how much am I getting and cult of personality. I mean, you see it with Deion Sanders. It is just such a cult of personality. Even Sabin, he had reached that level. And I think that like, it's kind of interesting to consider, but I mean, it's like, you know, Belichick has reached a higher cultural place than any football coach for the last two decades. I would hope so. And you know, as a cult of personality type of guy, I mean, you knew when when Kraft

started marketing the hoodies with the sleeves cut off, you know, that something had changed in the atmosphere. And, you know, a lot of the players that he'll be recruiting don't know, they wouldn't have been born when he was winning Super Bowls with the Patriots. But I think that like, the culture personality will be strong with him. And I think that like that affords you a lot of the things I think that like that affords you a lot of the things that if you're a good coach at a good program, you know, makes this job so difficult because I don't think that he's going to be married to his phone all day, texting every single position and making sure that they're not entering the portal after practice, metaphorically speaking. Right.

Well, I'll tell you this. He's going to be going against certain coaches that he's going to be so overqualified competitively that it's going to be kind of hilarious. And I'm in the camp of, I think he's actually going to do really well because just like his attention to detail and the game management stuff he'll be able to do is going to be so far superior to some of these dudes that are in college. That's one of my frustrations when I watch college

is I can't believe how sloppy and dumb and stupid some of the stuff is, especially late. But here's where we need- Well, I mean, just imagine someone like Davos Sweeney. I mean, just like, you know, you've, he's clearly an elite college coach that doesn't run the most sophisticated offense. And I think that when Deshaun Watson came into the NFL, I think Bill O'Brien did a great

job with him. And Deshaun, for a while there, was on the verge of being one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, they had to mesh a lot of what they did in Clemson with the stuff pulling from the Brady rookie playbook, right? Yeah. Of the Patriots offense. And, you know, he will take that stuff is a huge challenge. I mean, you know, the fact that you essentially have, you know, great inflation in college with some of these quarterback numbers that are being put up. I mean, he will take that stuff personally.

But there's also that aspect to the, you know, the fact that like he is who he is. And I mean, Brady on Fox the other day was asked about Belichick in college and he just like could not imagine him there. And it's a funny clip of him. Yeah. Doing his impression of Bill giving his pitch, you know, well, we don't really want you, but if you want to come here, we'll see what you can do. I mean, that part of it is really kind of interesting because he's going to be the complete opposite of what every other kid hears. Yeah. It's basically he's Bobby Knight in the modern era.

Exactly. If it's over 302 wins for the NFL third all time, 31 and 13 in the playoffs, including not including 13 buys. So 31 and 13 plus the bias. He's basically 44 and 13, 333 combined wins. Only Don Schula had more than three 47, six and three in Superbowls, three more as an assistant, so nine total. And really the only person with a chance to catch him with any of this stuff

seems to be Andy Reed, who is 32 wins behind him and five playoff wins behind him. And it's probably going to pass him. Um, and I'm sure bell chicks probably okay with it. Um, and I was wondering, I wondered if that factored into it where he's like, even if I go to Jacksonville and I coach two years and get the record, am I going to hold it for remember like when, um, remember when drew breeze was breaking all those records and you knew that he was only going to have them until Brady, you know, another half season.

I wonder if he, if that calculus went into things, you know, is that worth it for me? Probably not. I mean that if it was Philly, if Sarayani went sideways and he's moving in mid season, but you know, I talked to his people about him doing a podcast like with Ringer Spotify, because they talked to everybody last year. And one of the things they made very clear to everybody who was discussing any sort of media thing with him is Belchuk will be coaching in February, right? It's like, keep it low, but this is a one year thing. This is not a new career. He's doing this for one year. He will be coaching in February.

And I always thought that was interesting that they're so honest about it. And just like, this is, he clearly wanted to do all the media stuff because he wanted to make money. But he was also trying to shift some sort of perception about him. And I think for the most part it worked because I think if you think about him in July, people just knew him as the all time coach curmudgeon we've ever had. Not, not, not the same now. I don't think like he's inside the NFL as humor came out a little bit, the manning cast. I, you know, there were some pretty dreary moments in the manning cast, but there were some muscles, some fun clips too.

And some edgy moments. So you got to see that edginess with him sometimes. Yeah. He would, he would do that Jim gray podcast sometimes and he'd, he'd start throwing darts at coaches and stuff occasionally. So there was a little more, I think that most people thought, but for people like you and me, who'd been watching him forever, like none of it was surprising. It backed up everything we'd already heard, but I always felt like his sense of what his place was in football history and how he could shape that a little bit, I always thought he was way more aware of that. You don't let Halberstam do a biography of you.

You don't let the NFL film crew follow you around for a year. Like he did care about that stuff. I think a little more than people realize, right? That was always my take. Absolutely. I mean, legacy has always been important to him and not just his legacy, but the legacy of the things that he built. I mean, I always was told that like, you know, back when he thought

he would always leave the Patriots on his terms, he would never leave it if they were down. Like he always wanted to hand over the team, a good team to his successor. So that like, no matter what you said about him, you could always say that he made decisions that he thought were best, in the best interest of the team, not himself, but the team and the franchise. And that was a lasting legacy beyond him, you know, on the sidelines. And watching him this year, and even he was throttled, you know, you could tell there was moments where maybe he would have gone there a little bit more

But he had a restrained himself a little bit because he knows that he still wants to get back in and he's not quite done With this and it's not quite his personality just to rip guys That was my fear with him doing a podcast with us. Yeah, how far is he gonna go? Is he gonna hold back? but the gap between him and most of the league was just painfully obvious. Yeah. And I get all the reasons that... I think there's a lot of people who thought that...

Remember when Mike Shanahan sat out a year and teams started to fire their coaches early so they could get the inside track on him? Yeah. There was a sense that might happen with Belichick, but because of the rules that are in place, that never really happened. And plus, I just don't think I think owners just had, you know, like we've talked about all their reasons as valid or not as they may be of why they would rather bring in someone else.

And it's like, it's kind of hard not to be happy for Belichick and you know, that he's landed in a place that he seems legitimately stoked about. Yeah. And even the crafts, they did end up with Drake may somehow, right? They probably have one of the four worst coaches in the league. They have one of the, I think one of the worst front offices in the league that just had a horrible draft and a horrible for agency. But they do have this, this guy now who has a chance to be one of the five or six

best QBs in the league. And the whole fan base is completely in on him. And now it's become, I look at it and I'm just like variable sitting there. Like, I don't understand. They, if you go back and you look at variables, Tennessee career in 2021, he was 12 and five and go look at that team. Like it's kind of like about to be washed up. Maybe already was Tannehill there can replace half the season. AJ Brown is about to get traded for Traylon Burke straight up. We're trade bomb Burks, whatever his name is.

Um, and they overachieve with that team and then they trade, they trade Brown. QB situation goes sideways. Vrabel starts, you know, battling the front office and he's gone and now he's just sitting there. And to me, like what we were talking about earlier about Harbaugh, Peyton, there's just like seven, eight coaches, Tomlin, seven, eight coaches that really matter. I think Vrabel is one of the seven or eight you have Drake may.

I don't understand if these last four games for the Pats don't go bad. If they go badly, just admit the mistake and hire variable. He's a Patriot hall of Famer. I think he'd come. Why wouldn't they do it? Well, a couple of things. I think that like, first of all, Vrebal is suffering from a little bit of the same thing that Belichick has, again, this perception that you got to give

him the keys and let him do it his way. That guy's an excellent, excellent coach. I actually think that, I mean, it's obvious that Tennessee was better under him and they were tougher under him. I actually think that if you are trying to develop Will Levis, he was better for that because he knew how to protect quarterbacks. He knew how to run an offense that didn't put everything on them and took some of the pressure off. I think he's suffering from a little bit of the stuff you see from Belichick. Would the Crafts move on from Gerard Mayo?

I don't think so. I don't think so either. I think Craft has said publicly that he decided in 18 or six, five years ago, 17. Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere around that time that he was going to succeed Belichick. And unless there's something that's going on in the building that's so dysfunctional, that hasn't come out yet, that is just beyond intolerable. I would really have a hard time seeing Robert Kraft, you know,

move on from, from a coach like that after one year. I agree. And yet I do feel like this is one of those situations where it, from everything we've seen this first year, there's really no glimmer of hope so far with the coach and the coaching staff and really any piece of this. And now it's like, well, so now we're going to run and then a year from now we'll change everything. Um, that's why these, well, these next four games are going to be so important because like Arizona this weekend is a winnable game for them.

Arizona, I think has overachieved a little. They're not that talent. From a talent standpoint, not like crazy different than the Pats. And May might be able to just beat them by himself. But if they play Buffalo twice, I forget who the last game is, but I feel like if they go on four and it's like a bad on four, I'm prepared for anything.

Because craft's old. These owners get old and they're like, fuck it. I'm in my 80s. Like I don't want to go down this way And press plus with a Bray Bull as prickly as he can be they're used to that Like they're like whatever like, you know, whatever, you know, Tennessee can't handle they're like it's fine with us This is a beach like we've been through worse Right and and he's you know, and he's a good coach. He's a really good coach.

It's a real. Well, the funniest thing to me is why Chicago wouldn't hire him. And it's like, they're enamored with Ben Johnson. He calls great plays. It's like, how much evidence do we need that that might not be the deciding reason to hire a coach in the last like 15 years, Kyle Shanahan is the only. Real whiz kid new coach, even somebody like McVeigh, who I think gets credit for that.

McVeigh is a football coach. He's, he's doing everything on all sides. He's a, he's a people manager. He's a strategist. You know, he's not just like, here are my, here's, here are my 50 plays. I'm bringing in the game. For Abel is like a culture changer. Chicago needs to, you know, they, they,

they play in the worst weather, probably in the league other than maybe two other cities. Like they need to be like tougher on the lines. They need to be able to protect Caleb. I don't understand how just hiring a play car is going to be the answer for them, but what do I know? Absolutely. And it's Bella. It's a little bit like Belichick. I mean, you know, he's a total head coach. Yeah. He can go cut some coach running backs if he needs to. And Vrebel is a very similar, he learned, you know, from him and others.

But like Vrebel is a total head coach. I'll never forget Belichick's last playoff game. I guess we're saying that's the last playoff game with Brady. When they lost to the Titans at home on that on that rainy night. And, you know, the Patriots need the ball back. They get a stop and you keep thinking, you're thinking, this is when, you know, we've seen this, you know, all of a sudden they're going to turn it on and variable deploys that clock management trick that Belichick had used against

the jet earlier that year. And Belichick's just going nuts on the sideline and melting down. And you can tell he is hot because, but Vrebel had learned, like he had studied the guy and he knew in the exact situation when to use that. That is next level coaching. And when you watch like again,

the end of like the Bears-Lions game, which is just like a debacle on every front, it's just obvious that there are some of these guys out there that are fundamentally coaching and teaching a different sport. And others are just kind of glorified play callers. And that would be my concern with Ben Johnson, even though he's an imaginative play caller.

Yeah, Sal and I talked about a little on Sunday. I just think being a head football coach and being somebody who specializes on one side of the ball, the other over and over again, I would just rather have the overall head coach who's like Kevin Clark wrote a really good piece for us on the ringer. I think it was for the 23 season about variable and all the stuff that he did for the Titans and people can go back and read it, but just about how he would

grab different time with different, you know, he'd just be like, Oh, I'm going to spend a half hour with the left guard because I don't like the way that he's stepping back on just every aspect of the team. And I think for the Patriot fans, like the stuff we read and hear about mail, like we're just, it just doesn't seem like that's happening. Not to mention the media stuff's been bad. The game management stuff's been bad. The team is exceptionally sloppy and I it's, I'm waiting for a light at the end of the tunnel with him.

Cause it would be a hell of a lot easier for all of us if he was a good coach or I had a chance to be a good coach. But these next four, uh, these next four games are going to determine it. All right. So you announced you have a new book coming in September. It's called American Kings biography of the quarterback available for pre-order now, and you just used your massive media clout to just go get time with a bunch of famous quarterbacks and find out what's going on with that position.

Including Drake May. But yeah, you know, I, I, I wanted to write a book that, you know, takes the most encompassing look at this position. I possibly could, you know, what's it like to do at every one of these levels? What is it building you? What does it strip away? What is it like doing in high school, college as a rookie? How did this thing become cool?

The answer, as it turns out, goes back to 1885 and runs right through LA in the coming decades. And then what is it like to live with this the rest of your life? And what way is it incomp to live with this the rest of your life? And what ways is it incompatible with kind of future happiness? That's what I wanted to do. And yeah, I spent some time with your boy, Drake May,

when he was at Carolina, and his family and the coaching staff there at the time. And I really enjoyed spending time with him. And I do think that part of the reason he was appealing to the Patriots, there's a Brady factor there, where it's like you had the youngest kid in a family of achievers who had to fight for attention. And you know, when he decided to go to North Carolina, he knew, you know, right then that

like, it's not about whether you make it in the NFL or not. It's actually just whether you have something to say at Thanksgiving with your family around. Did you do something that year that lets you be part of that conversation? Anyway, I had a great time reporting it and working on it and looking forward to September. Yeah, I obviously was obsessed with that draft in April and reading everything, talking to as many people as I could talk to. And, um, and I was so all in on, on May, but Manning, ironically, I was at a thing with him and I was just picking his brain cause he knew May a little bit. And I was like, I really feel like May is the guy. And,

and Manning was like, Oh yeah, that guy's the man. Like that guy's going to be really good. I was like, really? Like I was like, okay, really? You think it's going to be good, but I do think part of, and I'm sure your book taps into that is how the guys who have done it can spot things with the next guys like, Oh, like they just kind of know who has and who doesn't. And May's been, it's been the opposite of, uh, you know, some of the other people we've had in different sports over the years, May's just been, he's checked every box.

It's crazy. Like he knows what to say in the press conferences already. It's nuts. He has. And I mean, I think that like to take back what you said, I mean, I think there's an element of it where, you know, they think they can, and then sometimes they can't too. So like, you know, what makes this job in these weird responsibilities it has so unique

and so hard, you know, so mythologized and so hard to predict baffles these guys. I mean, Steve Young loved Zach Wilson, mentored him. And you know, what happened, what happened, what happened is Sam Darnold. How does he go from it? That's the thing. I think situation so much of it, which is why the Drake made thing has been amazing happened? What happened? What happened is Sam Darnold. How does he go from it? That's the thing. I think situations so much of it, which is why the Drake made thing has been amazing because he's in a bad situation. He's got bad receivers and a bad offensive line. And it doesn't seem like his coaching staff's that

great. I thought Van Pelt might be all right. But, um, but Darnold, holy shit. You look back at the situation he was in and it was like, of course he wasn't going to succeed, especially at the age he was in, it was like, of course he wasn't going to succeed, especially in the age he was at. And to tie it all back, Belichick used Darnold to take another crack at the Jets. Oh yeah. He loved that. He said that a few times. He loved mentioning that every team wanted to keep Darnold and liked him except for the Jets. So. Right. All right. Well, I look forward to reading that book. It's a great idea.

Seth, awesome to see you read his piece today if you want even more information on this, but I hope all is well. Thanks, man. Good to see you. All right. Joe House is here. We're going to do some million dollar picks in a second. Bragg about our record. Do all that stuff. But NBA Cup is the semifinals are Saturday night. The odds on Fandl. OKC's plus 115, Milwaukee's plus 270, Rockets four to one. Atlanta, a feel good, super fun bet at plus five 50. My instinct says just lay the plus one 15 with OKC and call it a day.

I kind of landed the exact same place as you. Um, what we saw in terms of how they handled Dallas. And I really enjoyed the breakdown. I kind of landed the exact same place as you. What we saw in terms of how they handled Dallas. And I really enjoyed the breakdown, you, Jacobi, Kurt Goldsberry. I felt like it took you guys too long to get to the part where Luca sucked. He sucks sucked. He just was a flat out no show. He couldn't go up and down the court.

And then what was crazy to me was in the previous three games, he looked fine. He looked like he was all the way back, but I don't know if it was a setback. I don't know where his head was at. He was out of that game before it even really got going BS. Yeah. It seemed like that. Okay. C team is kind of a bitch to go against with all those swings they have and all

those athletes, and they just seem like they knocked them out against with all those swings they have and all those athletes. And they just seem like they knocked them out of his rhythm in the first half. And that was it. It shouldn't have been that easy though. But if I'm okay, see, we talked about it Tuesday night. Like that's such a good outcome that that's the team that's one of the hurdles you needed to get over in the West. And now you just feel like you can go at those guys.

So they're playing the Houston pit bulls on Saturday night, um, who are just the classic, I don't know why I love this team so much because their last few minutes of their offenses. So, you know, it's just, it's just a chore, which is why Jimmy Butler. Yeah. I talked earlier about a Jimmy Butler trade, but they just desperately need somebody who can get a really good shot. It doesn't like it's gonna be Jalen Green. But I just like the, I think it's gonna be an awesome back and forth game. We saw it two weeks ago, I loved it.

The Atlanta game, Atlanta, Milwaukee, with that weird, goofy Milwaukee team. And I know Yanis can just have the 38-19 and just overpower them, but I talked about it earlier in the pod, I continue to be infatuated by this Atlanta team and you feel the same. You know I do because we bet heavily on them in the pre-season.

We did. We imagined this possibility with their size and their versatility and lo and behold, every once in a while we get a couple of things right. And this was the team team we thought for sure that DeJante Murray was, uh, an enormous addition by subtraction because what they got back in Dyson Daniels and Larry Nance Jr., like it's a mindset. It wasn't just, you know, the sort of the player aspect of it, but they are long.

They can, they defend from, from side to side, they defend full length and they, they are a team that can score late in games that I'm not worried are going to get good looks, the shots. No, you get, you get worried about the 29 footer from Trey. So I said earlier in the pod Trey is at this really, really interesting inflection point where I feel like it's either going to happen or it's not, you know, like statistically, all of these signs that he's going a little bit downhill as a score. And yet he's on the most fun Hawks team he's ever been on the kind of team we

would create. We're trying to create a team for him. We've got lobbers and lob lob targets and shooters, all of these things, people to protect them on defense. And now I want to see him elevate. And I think both of us are suspicious that it's in there. Well, I, I was going to ask you to clarify what you mean, whether, um, it's going to happen or not because my, my immediate response is it's happening. We are seeing it, but that's, but not statistically for him though. I guess that's the difference is could he become with all these weapons? Could he turn into like a 24 and 12 guy and a 40% shooter and all the stuff we need.

The only stat that matters is the assists. Like if he continues to lead the league or be right up there top three in assist with this set of assets, then I would say, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, this team has the composition of a team that can make some noise in the playoffs. They were so tough against the Knicks. That's always, you don't know whether a team's going to show up and be prepared to have that bully instinct.

They bullied the Knicks. They had 10 more offensive rebounds. They kicked the Knicks right in the front and the back of the lower section there. Yeah. I thought it was a moment, you know, and I think Trey is such an interesting guy to discuss and watch. And there's so many things I don't like about his game, like that Lakers game. He just took a couple of horrible shots, but then he'll make a shot, right.

But the thing I do like about him is the, the swagger and the competitiveness is there. Like you knew at the end of the game, he wasn't gonna be afraid of the moment. And the guys that he has around him, even that Reese Shea, and we watched him before the season in that Brooklyn exhibition game, and both of us, you were at my house,

and we were just watching going, what's up with this guy? We kinda like this guy. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, and you know, I just think it's a bunch of dudes that Bogdanovich comes in, he's not scared. It's a bunch of dudes that Bogdanovich comes in. He's not scared. It's a bunch of guys that aren't afraid.

So I'm, I'm kind of leaning toward liking them in that Milwaukee matchup as an underdog, they are a plus one 48 plus three and a half. I'm on record. I'm on record. I bought the gambling pod. It was already up. I played them on the money line and the points. I'll take them both ways.

Yes, sir, please. Oh, wow. Okay. A double helping of Hawks. They're the Milwaukee team continues to be, you know, it's just everything they can extract from Giannis and they need a good game. Good to great game from Dame just to be,

they lost by 15 points a week ago. Now no Middleton, but you know, okay. And, uh, Dame shot very well from three had 25 points and the honest did one of his 38 19s and they still got their ass handed to them. It's just a bad matchup. I think frail Milwaukee against this Hawks team. Couldn't agree more because Yannis could still have the 38 17 and they could still lose. They're going to put Daniels.

They're they're going to try to take out Dame with Daniels and some of the other swings. Somebody like Trey has always been a problem for this Bucks team with how to guard these shifty point guards. So if Trey plays well, they win. I almost feel like you could do the Hawks money line with some sort of Trey over bet. All right. Let's talk. Let's talk some, some football. Let's do it. We're we're doing really well. A million dollar picks.

We won $551,000 last week. We are up 1.7, six, four million dollars. It's pretty good. This is one of my favorite weeks of the year. It almost scares me a little. There's just, it's playing all the hits for me. I love good to decent teams. Three points are under. I love Mike Tomlin getting points.

You could probably guess what my picks are going to be. There's like an easy teaser. So we'll go through some of it. Steelers Eagles Steelers plus five and a half. I'll let you take the floor. Cause I heard what you said on the Ringer gambling show today. And you had a couple of points in this game

that I just wholeheartedly agreed with. Do your, what good defense is Philly played thing. Yeah. Well, I went through their list of wins and please don't misunderstand. A nine game winning streak is outstanding. It's excellent. But when you go through the teams that they've beat, I don't think you can get to a top 10 defense.

I think you're hard pressed to get to a top 15 defense. Now they- Wait, can I give them quick? Please, please. Cleveland, Cleveland, Giants, Cincy, Jaguars, Cowboys, Washington, Rams, Baltimore, Carolina. And it's not like they were throwing up 40 points a game either against those defenses, but that speaks to like just nobody even remotely approaching what

Pittsburgh has. Yeah. And I guess Cleveland would be the best out of, out of that group, but right. So the thing about Pittsburgh and why I think it's gonna be a shock to the system is their ability to bring a pass rush that these Eagles have not seen this entire season. And the Steelers are really rounding into form in terms of their quick pressure rate,

their ability to disrupt, and they have health at the linebacker position, both Herbig and Alonzo Highsmith healthy. And I, I just think, yeah. So we already know that this Eagles defense is one dimensional. They are the least passing team in the NFL, the fewest number of attempts and completions in the entire NFL, Jalen Hurts and it's Eagles.

Passing defense. 31st in a passing league that has some horrible quarterbacks. They're 31st out of 32. So you want to give this Steelers defense a one-dimensional look? Do you think that they'll load the box and say, please try and run on us. And, you know, I think this is finally a matchup where the Eagles very excellent offensive line. Again, don't misunderstand me that they're, they're, they're going to meet their match

in terms of what this, uh, Steelers defensive front seven can bring to the table. And Pittsburgh has a way better special teams. Yes. Like Pittsburgh has one of the preeminent special teams of this decade. The season Boswell is having, I think Boswell might be having the greatest fantasy football season by a kicker in the last 15 years. I had him on the vote out league that I'm in with Sal and Henschen, those guys. And I didn't make the playoffs.

My team sucked and I felt bad. I almost felt like sending Boswell a letter. I'm sorry I let you down. You did everything you could. This I almost felt like sending Boswell letter. I'm sorry. I let you down. You did everything you could. This wasn't your fault. Boswell. You should have figured out a way to put them on a, on a contender.

I mean, you know, I understand the dynamics that are at work, but like is John Ham still alive? He could have done something nice for you. He might have over 200 fantasy points this year. Just outrageous. That's like the kickers don't do that. The top kicker is usually 160, 170. So they have him, the Tomlin factor.

Tomlin has an underdog. Philly's first rushing offense. Pittsburgh's fourth against the run in the entire league. Yeah, that's great. And the only thing that worries me is the Pickens part. That's it. They're not going to have Pickens. That's a, that's a viable concern.

That's it. They're not going to have pickets. That's a viable concern. And you're not imagining a game script here where Pittsburgh tries to get the ball way down the field, which has been one of their pathways to success with Russell Wilson. He's been throwing a very nice deep ball, but that's not the way. The way that they win this game is field position, special teams, defense, long drives. Under, under, under. You're just laying out unders left and right. You're absolutely right.

I think this has been a season about the general public underestimating things. And Pittsburgh is like the leader of the pack with that. People have underestimated them before the season, as the season was going, people kept looking for reasons. And then this is the most offensive line of them all. Like the Eagles could win and win by 14. I still think the line's offensive. I think it's a three point game.

I can't believe it's five and a half, especially with how the Eagles looked last week, barely beating Carolina, having some sniping after the game. And this is like where Pittsburgh loves to be. Like it's going to be the weather is not going to be that bad, but it's a Pennsylvania game, so not, not long travel. And it, to me, it just feels like a 20 to 16, 19 to 16, 21 to 20. So I was looking at different bets.

Like the other thing is the Steelers are five and a half. So Vegas is like, we don't know. We're throwing this the Vegas zone. Steelers plus four and a half on So Vegas is like, we don't know. We're throwing this to the Vegas zone. Steelers plus four and a half on Fando is even money. Okay. Steelers plus five and a half is like minus one 13. If you do Steelers plus four and a half with an under of 45 and a half, that's plus one 98, it's almost two to one.

Great. And I guess my question to you is, so how many points become unrealistic for a game like this? Because we, we, if we don't think the Eagles are going to be able to run the ball, that might actually lead to more long passes. But I don't think the Steelers are going to be able to get the same explosive plays that they used to have. So the model for them to win is just run the ball, run the ball, control it, try to wear the Eagles out.

And then on defense, the Eagles stubbornly try to run against them for a half. It doesn't work. And then maybe it opens up second half. But, um, I was looking at that Steelers plus five and a half under 47 and a half is plus one 63. Another great one. As many of these as you want to do. I'm here for it.

Steelers win the game outright with under 45 and a half is plus three 28. So there's, there's some great good ones, but I, normally my instinct would be to pull the Steelers up over seven. I don't think, I think in this one, like this is, this feels like a three point game to me and they've played these games all year. And I think, I think they're going to have a chip on their shoulder and this might be a team they see in the Superbowl. If I, I couldn't agree more with any of your handicapper assessment there. I want to just add a couple other layers. You mentioned the special teams thing. Tell me how many field goals Jake Elliott has made of 50 yards or longer this season?

Oh, God. Probably like one. The answer is none. Wow. Zero. He is 0 for 5. So if we're talking about, if we imagine a game script where it's tight, it's, it's, you know, uh, field position kind of game, those 50 yard field goals start to become important. And then the last sort of element of it is like, who do you trust more in a

game like this, Nick Sirianni or Mike Tomlin? And you know, that, that, that for me matters. What's the best unit in the game? And I would say it's Pittsburgh's defense. Now, if, if Philly can run the ball on them, we'll know within a quarter and the game's probably over. But I think this, to me, this feels like a close game. It feels like a field position game. Special teams will factor it in.

And I just, I like some combination of maybe it's all the way up to 47 and a half. Maybe it's Steelers plus five and a half with the under 47 and a half, something like that. Fine. I think that's the move. Fine. Next one, Lion's Bills. So this is Lion's minus two and a half, which is just a complete FU to the

Lion's defense by everybody. People are like, you didn't fool us last week. Your team spent 38 seconds calling every play on offense and just doing everything they could to keep the defense off the field. And now you're going to play Josh Allen. We don't trust you. My counter is that the Rams showed what to do against Buffalo last week. is that the Rams showed what to do against Buffalo last week. They ran the ball, they ran the ball, then they then play action or quick passes. And they just got first downs and moved the ball and Detroit has a better offense than the Rams do. They have a better offensive line.

I don't know how Buffalo, I just feel like they're going to get pushed backwards the whole game. I think that's. Buffalo is a team that needs the lead. And I think the Lions are just going to push him back, push him back. Maybe there's a scenario where Josh is straight chasing the cover late, but. This defense looks like an awesome matchup for the lions. So I'm more focused on their offense and less the defensive deficiencies.

What are you looking at? Yeah. So this is again, kind of a razor thin coin flip kind of game. And so you're trying to find the razor thin coin flip kind of game. And so you're trying to find the teeny tiny slices that might tip it one way or the other. And, you know, if you were wanted, if you wanted to back the bills and grab the points, you would talk about Detroit secondary being susceptible to explosives and the bills are getting back both Coleman and Kincaid this week. They're supposed to both be ready to play.

And we saw through, you know, the, the tremendous comeback against the Rams. Shakir was incredible. Alan is at the absolute peak of his powers. And if he is out of structure, you don't, you don't worry about Josh Allen out of structure, getting the ball down the field. He is the best quarterback. You don't, you don't worry about Josh Allen out of structure, getting the ball down the field. He is the best quarterback that Detroit will have faced this whole season with a pretty healthy offense.

And what I, I'm one of the things I'm interested in. I'm looking at it right now. James cook these nuts over because I do think that they are going to try and establish a little run. We're going to go cook these nuts over 52 and a half rushing yards, but that's just a side play for me. So that would be the case for Buffalo. If the Lions win this, would it think 30 points for them at least?

Oh, I mean, the points are going to be abundant. I don't, and I don't want to do this, but I'm just saying like, if you, if you're taking the Lions, if you're like, I want to take the Lions plus two and a half, I would take lions, money line and do over 50 and a half something like over 50 and a half lions, money line is plus two Oh six. I would do something like that. This is not going to be a 24 to 16 type of game. I think there's going to be points, but I feel like there's a been a few times this year where Detroit's offense got discounted a little bit. Okay.

Even Green Bay last Thursday night. We all love Green Bay. We ended up actually, I think we ended up winning that bet. Yeah, we won our bet because it was, you know, we got the three and a half. Yeah. But Detroit, 34 points, probably could have more. To me, this is just a, just don't overthink it. Lions are home, they need the game.

That's the other thing. It's not like they have a three game lead in the NFC. Minnesota's one game behind them. And their offense is just way better than Buffalo's. Even though Buffalo's offense is really good, but Detroit's plus 27 in touchdowns this year, Buffalo's plus 18. Detroit's net yards. They've scored almost a thousand more yards

than the other team, or gained a thousand more yards. Buffalo's at 300. Buffalo's had weeks where they, they just looks like they've, like that Baltimore game, the game last week, where it just feels like you can go up and down the field in them. And I like the matchup for Detroit.

Here's the thing that really tips it for me. If it's a tight game, we're in the fourth quarter and it's time to strike, start doing some math about the most efficient way to produce an outcome. Yeah. I don't, we just watched it. Sean McDermott just has too many unforced errors in this regard. Yeah. And Dan Campbell never makes a mistake. It is like, Dan Campbell and the Lions are at the same level as the Chiefs

in terms of like, it's an end of game scenario and I've got it mapped out and I know the correct call to make. We might not execute and we might lose the game because of a failure to execute, but I know the call I'm gonna make and it's the right call. And that's how we're going to win. McDermott just gets it wrong so many times too often.

And I don't want to be in that position of watching this great game back and forth, back and forth. And the Bills have the ball and dumb, dumb McDermott makes a dumb, dumb call. And then they're like, God damn it. Why did I invest in this team? Muscle not pot. Like Detroit really needs the game. Buffalo, they're either going to be the two or the three seed. There's urgency, but not like crazy nuts urgency.

Why you think they can drop the four? No, I don't think we're, I don't know if we're going to get to the Chiefs, but I'm not after what we watched in that game of the Chiefs. Oh, you think they get to the Chiefs, but I'm not, after what we watched in that game of the Chiefs Sunday night. Oh, you think they get to the one seed? Hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm not ready to cross off that possibility. Bigger game for Detroit. Detroit has to win this game. Fine, fine, that's fine. Home game two, Campbell and Goff at home. Last couple seasons, incredible against the spread. With that said, I hate betting against Josh out. Sure.

We'll take a break and then we'll hit the rest of the games. All right, come back more games that I like. Well, there's one I don't that I stared at that I wanted to throw in chargers minus three at home against the bucks. And I had them written down all week. I kept looking at it, kept looking at the injury report and this seems like a week to stay away with the chargers. I just, there's something I don't like about it. The Macaulay is not healthy. at it, kept looking at the injury report and this seems like a week to stay away with the Chargers.

I just, there's something I don't like about it. The McConkie is not healthy. Dobbins is out. Herbert now has this sprained ankle situation again. And I feel like this line should be like Chargers by four and the books are trying to tell us something. So the butts being a three point underdog, like they didn't even look good last week. So it's a stay away from the house.

Yeah. And it is a hundred percent the injury uncertainty. It was trending in a way that let me go ahead and get a little bit down on the Chargers minus three. Cause I think it's a great number for the reason that you just laid out. I mean, the Bucks have a bunch of wins against nobody teams. They beat the Giants with Tommy Devito. They beat Carolina in overtime.

Right. I mean, they, they, they handled the Raiders because Aiden O'Connell broke his leg, like, you know, there's a bunch of wins. Now again, you win, you got to play the games under front of you on your schedule. Congrats to them, but brutal spot. Um, What's the status of Bucky Irving? That will impact the handicap. And then what's the stats? McConkie was running drills on Wednesday. So I started saying, well, this is part of why I went ahead and got down a little bit on that Chargers minus three. Yeah, we're staying away.

You can't have Herbert under any circumstances impaired at all because the, the, the, what Tampa has been doing these last three weeks very successfully against bad teams is blitz with blitz bliss. They've greatly increased their blitz rate and it's been successful. I know I'm coming on the ringer Sunday pregame on Sunday. I could see being back in on the chargers on Sunday. I'm not doing it now on a Thursday afternoon. Great.

Here's a game I do love Houston minus two and a half against Miami. Okay. Texans off a bye Miami's past defense kind of getting semi shredded by Aaron Rogers who's who's been done for three years. D'Amico Ryan's versus Tua. Raheem talked about that on the Ringer gambling show today. There was a San Francisco game with Tua that was not awesome for Tua. Houston's defense seventh against the pass second in sacks,

second in tackles for a loss. Most importantly house. We're kind of due for a good CJ Stroud game. We're just do. I know that's a goofy thing to say, but he's got his receivers back. Nico Collins is back. They're coming off a buy. It just feels like this is a first quarter where they come out swinging,

make a couple of big plays. They hit two a couple of times. I don't think Miami is good. And I think if the, to me, this is a gift of a line. This line should be Texans by three and a half. People don't trust Houston. I get it. Not even sure Houston's that good.

If they can't win this game, we might have to take their AFC South title house. Just give it to somebody else. Well, the culture are, youts are sort of hovering around. Interesting matchup against the Broncos. But I understand your point with this Dolphins team. I just can't unsee what the Jets did to them. It looked like Devontae Adams was open on every play. It looked like Wilson was open on every play.

Nine yard outs over and over again. And it, the, uh, secondary for the Dolphins. And Jayden Ramsey looks like shit in that game, didn't he? Yeah, right. Yes, yes. They put them on an island and they're, they're just, they just cooked them. Um, the Houston Texans do not deserve to be trusted, but I think we finally might be in a situation where you, you outline it properly. We're not laying a ton of points. They're at home.

It's off the pie. We're dying for a CJ Stroud game. And, you know, we saw a version of Houston at the beginning of the season where Joe Mixon was super effective. Like, Oh, look at this. You, this Houston team might be a, an 11 or 12 win team. Yeah. Went through their injuries and stuff.

Their offensive line is the issue. They can't really be trusted, but I like the spot for Houston. I'm, I'm in your direction on this. You know what I like the most about this game? So if the jets just finished the game last week, that's a game that they gave away. Yeah. The dolphins lose to the jets last week, what's the line on this game? Right, exactly.

It's at least three and a half, it might even be four. So instead, we're at two and a half because the Jets just decided to actually have like a stroke on the field, they were so stupid. Houston's four and one, here's another reason to be suspicious to Houston. They're foreign one against the South, a terrible division. They've also beaten the techs, the bears, the Patriots and the Cowboys.

So this might be the best when they have in a while. Well, let me put this to you because you're, you'll go through the stats and you mentioned this, them coming out fast. They are one of the top five teams in the NFL in terms of scoring in the first half. And they don't have to lay very much in the first. I w we can look at the Fandel sports book to see what the first half spread is. They're one of the worst teams. They're one of the worst teams in the NFL in the second half.

Yeah, I saw the second half stuff is terrible with them. Right. Yeah. I hate doing those first half. You don't, you don't like the exotic. No, it's minus one and a half. We saved like a point, you know? Okay. All right. I listen, you made me, you did make me think, do you think two is good? Yes. Yes, I do. I do. Really? I do. You're in the pro two account. I am a pro 2 guy. Yes. I just can't get there. Under the right circumstances when he's playing either indoors or in Miami, when

it's 80 degrees, I think he's good. And I do think that the DJ has created a playlist for him. He's there spinning some, some, some smooth sounds down there, um, where he can be super effective with those weapons. But under any kind of adverse conditions, as soon as they go outside, we watched it, forget about it. Yeah, well, or if he's getting pounded by the passers. Yes. Okay.

Last straight up game, Seahawks-Packers. Still the stupefying line to me of the week. The lack of respect for Seattle, Pittsburgh and Seattle were the two. I was like, wow, why am I seeing this so differently? Seahawks are plus two and a half at home against the Packers. I just don't get it. The, now that you laid out the case on the, uh, gambling pot today, but I don't feel like the defense thing is a mirage.

There was real reasons why they started to struggle defensively. All of their guys are back now. They're actually playing really good defense. McDonald's been there for a while. They understand what he's trying to do. And then the other thing that jumped out, especially last week, is the blocking

for their offensive line went from horrific to pretty passable. Like they ran the ball down the throats of Arizona last week, their last four wins that beat San Francisco and they won three road games last four weeks at San Francisco, home Arizona at the jets at Arizona. Um, the other thing I like house their third, they basically the third best passing attack in the league and that's been a weakness for green Bay. So I'm trying to think of how green Bay goes in there and just waltzes and beat them.

They would have to be a pretty extraordinary Jordan love game. And I think Seattle's defense can actually contain him. Yeah. I mean, you went through those games that they want, including the road games. Those are all high leverage games. Those are all like season determining games. They lose like really any of those. They're probably out of the playoffs and it's a real testament to McDonald and they did

get healthy at the right time. The buy couldn't have come at a better time for them. So since the buy 50% you know, disruption rate, we saw it against the Cardinals. You know, one impact I do because top five disruption. That means that they're going in and not letting, uh, the offense get itself set into a scheme that, that, you know, where they can execute what they have in mind. And then they're certainly not letting the quarterback get set up. Um, but to me, you mentioned all the offensive side that, um, you know, they,

they, they had a zone blocking scheme. We saw Zach Charbonneau look like the guy that, you know, like, Hey, look at him run the ball. They, they, that was really effective. It takes so much pressure off of Gino. If they can run that way and look Gino, uh, from a clean pocket, nine touchdowns, two picks is it's like the diametric opposite under pressure, five touchdowns, 10 picks.

But the Packers don't generate any pressure. Their 22nd in pressure rate and 26th in pass rush win rate. So... Pass rush? You do it. You could do it. Well, the last few games, they lost to Detroit twice. They came back and beat the bears 20 to 19 Eber Fluss is last win. They killed the San Francisco, the game when, uh, which was a good win for them,

but also San Francisco had a ton of injuries and then they beat Miami on that Thursday night and I liked the Packers. I think they're, I think they're a good team, but, um, but I don't think they should be favored in Seattle. If it was the Seattle from five weeks ago, I get it, but not the Seattle we've watched last month. So to me, that's, I think Seattle should be favored. And the rule is if, if you, if you feel like you're getting so many more points than you

thought you might be getting anyway, um, There's a couple things we can do with this I think seahawks money line is the play. Oh, okay fine but Seahawks in a teaser is kind of fun. That's one of my favorite legs of the week seahawks Seahawks minus two and a half is plus one 54. Sure. Great. In. So maybe that's the way to play it. Maybe play the money line and then put them in a teaser. So teaser possibilities. I'm just insisting on one.

The Chiefs are minus four and a half against the Browns. So it's more of a money parlay than a teaser. But the Chiefs are only minus four and a half in Cleveland. Bad weather. It's the chiefs. Nobody trusts them anymore to cover anything. The Browns are horrible. The Browns should be one.

I went through their schedule. The Browns should be one in 12. They're not horrible. The Browns are 32nd in DVOA this year. They're last. They're dead last with DVOA this year. They're last. They're dead last with DVOA. They're getting more and more injuries every week. Now Greg Newsom is out.

They can't run the ball at all. They can't run the ball at all. That's true. And compete the Chiefs. It's just going to have to be Jamis doing stuff every week. Well, you know who we didn't think could run the ball at all? The LA Chargers. Now I'm not going to sit here and say that Justin... You're not going to make the case for the Browns, are you?

I like the Browns. I like the Browns quite a bit. In fact, I think this is the Browns Super Bowl, and I think there's a decent chance... Super Bowl what? To validate their season. If they have a season where they beat the Ravens, they beat the Steelers, and they beat the Chiefs.

They're terrible. They're not terrible. Their defense is finally... I watched them last week against Pittsburgh. They're terrible. That was, those were short field, mistake driven scores. Like they held Russell Wilson to under 160 yards. He didn't have pickets.

The Simone was short field. I understand, but this, this chief's situation is busted. And I, I said on one of our shows this week, I can't wait to find the opportunity to fade them in the playoffs because I promise you I'm going to fade them in the playoffs. How about, how about them in Cleveland just to win and beat Jamis Winston in a team that's missing a kajillion guys? I'm not doing it. I can't endorse it. I think that the, the very with, with Jamis, JJ too much. No, I just, I just can't that secondary for the chiefs is a, has no solution.

You, you can't name the like five of the guys that the chargers had on the field catching passes last week. And it just didn't matter. They were all open. They were open every time. It's why the chiefs had to run the Anaconda offense at the end of that game to win. They, they had to strangle the chargers for five minutes and get to a

field goal and kick that field goal. It was their only chance to win because the chargers otherwise would have gone down the field and won. Maybe the chargers are good. They could be, but you can't name the guys that were catching balls at tight end or receiver for the chargers. I can name them. Josh Palmer, Quinton Johnson,

They're so bad. This got hurt. Yeah. They was so smart. So you don't, you don't trust the Chiefs, and yet I heard you earlier today talk about how much you like the Cowboys in a fucking tease. Wow.

The Cowboys who are reprehensible. Look. So you trust the Cowboys? To getting eight and a half against the Carolina Panthers, yes. I just need the Chiefs to beat the Browns. They can win by half a point, and I win the bet.

I hate it. I hate it. You can say that about every team that the Browns. They can win by half a point. And I know that I hate it. I hate it. You, you, you can say that about every team that the chiefs, every bad team that the chiefs have have won by the tiniest, you know, hair on their ass in each of these last, they're, they're one and seven against the spread. Um, go ahead. Yeah, I know all those stats, but in a weird way, you're proving my point. The Browns have Jedi, but the Jones have the Browns have Jedi mind trick people into thinking they're not terrible.

And they are, they're 32nd in DVO a they're, they have a worst DVO a than Carolina, New England, Tennessee, Las Vegas, and the New York giants worse than everybody that number has so much to Sean Watson spilled all over it. What about, did you see, what did Jameis do last week that you liked? Other than just sail the ball over people's heads and make terrible plays. They had the back door cover staring them in the face. It was right there. Oh my God.

The other tease I like is the Vikings against the Bears. Just cause I'm tired of passing on Sam Darnold. Now you're talking. Now you're talking. Yeah. And look, you know, if you wanted to go ahead and grab my team and go from seven and a half down to one and a half against Spencer Rattler. I don't trust your team. Spencer Rattler?

I don't trust your team. The closest margin of victory. I'm not against Spencer Rattler. I don't trust your team. Spencer Rattler? I don't trust your team. The closest margin of victory quarterback. I don't trust your 27th one defense against the Saints just running the ball like 200 times against you. Makes me nervous. All right, fine. I don't trust your team, I'm sorry.

That's fine, I just wanted to put it out there. I'm not gonna try and make the case. Vikings minus seven against the Bears. The Vikings' weakness is you can kinda throw throw at them and the bears are 30th pass. Um, that's a dead man walking team. I, I very much like this forth in sacks, not to mention all the flora's split stuff, Chicago 32nd.

The only case for the bears is just that they played the Vikings pretty well a month ago. Yep. Um, but now that Darnold Jefferson, Addison, they're all humming again. Did you see that there was a long video of Kirk Cousins saying goodbye to everybody in Minnesota after the game? Did you see this? I think I sent this to you.

You didn't, but I love this. I'm dying already. It's a four minute video. All the Vikings, all their players, coaches stuck around in the field to say goodbye to him after the game. And his career is over. No, they loved him. They loved him so much that it was just guy after guy coming over, hugging him.

Hey man, it's great to see you. He just seems like he was the most beloved teammate ever. He's a gamer. I mean, $200 million by being a gamer. Not very good, but a gamer. So you're down on Vikings minus seven. Oh, a hundred percent down. And what if I talked you into Casey money, Minnesota money,

doing anything with Kansas city. I'm telling you money, Minnesota money, Seattle plus eight and a half is plus 150. You can do that on your own. I'm not endorsing anything with the Chiefs. You're really mad about it. I'm not mad. I'm just- What is it about the Ringer Gambling Show that the shitty teams and the bad

quarterbacks are like fucking catnip for you guys? I don't get it. I laid three and a half points with the chiefs on Sunday night and they showed flaws that are unlike the flaws that we've seen out of them. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm out on them. They are super beatable. They keep telling us who they are.

Every single week they get down to a single moment, a single score, and they've been on the correct side of the outcome. I'm not betting on that. I'm not betting on that. I'm not betting on that anymore. I'm done with the chiefs. So there's a Minnesota tease possibility with Seattle. Okay. In.

I still like that Seattle minus two, Seattle minus two and a half plus 154. Great. Love it. No argument. I think that defense is super legit. Like, uh, green Bay in, in Detroit got a version of a Detroit defense. And we were like, Oh, Detroit, they're really banged up. This is going to be a hard spot for them. And, you know, they, they, they were, they were gamers.

It wasn't that, that, you know, green Bay went out and flew all over them, but this, this Seattle defense is a different deal and we're outdoors. Now I respect, uh, you know, green Bay's outdoor acumen. I'm not suggesting that they're going to have a problem playing outdoors. It's just a different, um, kind of situation, different speed. All right. I think I know what we want to do for million dollar picks. All right.

It's time million dollar picks week 15. We are staying away from Niners Rams tonight. As much as we usually like throwing a little something on the Thursday night, if we can get the pot up in time. To me, it's just an abject stay away Rams Niners staying away. So apologies to both of those teams. We did not want to wager on you tonight. Here's what we do want to do.

And we're up 1.764 million dollars. We won 551,000 dollars last week, House. Pretty good. First one, Steelers. We looked at this all different ways. We thought about money line with the under. We thought about Steelers plus four and a half on Fandels, even odds, it's like all kinds of machinations.

Both of us feel like this line is two to two and a half points too high. Cause the Steelers defense, how good it is. Such a good defense. Don't trust the Eagles passing offense. Do not love Mike Tomlin as an underdog. Love the most underappreciated discounted team of 2024, the Pittsburgh Steelers plus five and a half in Philly. We were putting $200,000 on that one, even though George, don't call me Carl Pickens

is not playing. So there you go. That's our first one. Second one, Lions minus two and a half at home against Josh Allen and the Bills. This is a straight backing of the Lions offense. We were going in eyes wide open. Could be a fun live head, live hedge house near the end. Bills down 14 late, just jump on Josh.

Try to middle it. You have to get Sean McDermott out of there, but yes. Who's your, who do you think is the best team right now? Just in general, is it still the Lions for you? But with the defense? Detroit. Yes, is it still the lions for you? Detroit, yes. Detroit, yes. Detroit. That's how I feel.

All right. Well, we get them under a field goal at home in a big game. Great. And by the way, the Bills don't necessarily need the game. They're either going to be the two seed or the three seed. Unless Casey loses in Cleveland this week. If you missed the first part of the pod house, would it let me put Casey in a teaser parlay even though Cleveland's 32nd DVO way Cleveland sucks. They're terrible.

I don't think they seem like a layup and house through his body in front of it. So I get to just send him MF or Texas if Casey's up by 20 next bet. Texans minus two and a half at home against the Miami dolphins who came very close to losing Aaron Rogers, who gave up a 300 point game or three hundred yard game, Aaron Rogers, which, um, she got kicked out of the league at this point. Texans minus two and a half coming off a bye. Still no all around.

Yeah. We have to see whether Toronto armsteads even able to go for, for Miami overtime game for Miami, all those extra plays. Houston off the buy rested and really ready to put their stamp on the back half of this season. They have a really tough schedule. They have to win a home game like this. We are banking on this being a, Hey, CJ Stroud, welcome back to the season

game combined with, uh, if the Jets had just take care of business being the Dolphins last week, there's no way this line would be minus two and a half. And, uh, we're grabbing Houston 200 K on that. Now we're putting a little, uh, little teaser with Minnesota and Seattle. Minnesota is minus seven. Seattle is plus two and a half at home against green Bay. So we'll, we'll nudge that up six points. We're putting 200 K on that.

We don't understand the Seattle line at all. Minnesota at home against Chicago. We believe in this Minnesota team still lingering, still hoping the lions stumble and they can just hop up and grab the one seed. Sam Darnold, would you take them on the, uh, on the commanders? If you didn't have Daniels, I think he would. Oh, if we didn't have Daniels, sure. He would be immediately be one of the best quarterbacks the

past 25 years in Washington. I would take them on the paths. If we didn't have Drake made the future of the NFL on our team. I like them. Great bounce back season. And then we're going to do a little 50 K parlay of the Pittsburgh money line combined with the Seahawks minus two and a half on Fandall, which is a plus one 42. You put those two together plus six 38.

That's juicy. Pittsburgh money line Seahawks minus two and a half. We're going to put 50 K on that. I really was trying to figure out a way to work Drake may and a million dollar picks in Arizona. Cause I think they actually may be dumb enough to beat Arizona this week, but we'll stay away. We don't need it.

Good job. Good job. Those are the million dollar picks for week 15, uh, house. We can see you on the ringer Sunday pregame shot. It might be stopping by. Can't wait. Have you thought about who's your underdog? Is it just going to be Pittsburgh? Right. It might be. I mean, I wait. Have you thought about who's your underdog pick?

It's just going to be Pittsburgh, right? It might be. I mean, I, I, one of the other guys might jump ahead of me, but there's a lot of great, um, choices, including the Cleveland Browns. I hope you're dumb enough to take them. We'll see. You know who I was looking at as a possible underdog? I would embed it, but just for, if you're forced to take an underdog for that

segment, the Riddler and the Raiders. Going against Atlanta in Vegas. It doesn't feel like the Raiders have one more dumb win in them. It's the funniest outcome for sure. It would, it would be hilarious. And I do think, you know, the guys, the defense for the Raiders, um, will, will be playing cause they know they're really auditioning for the next head coach. Right.

Of the Raiders. They're not playing for that guy any longer. Yeah. But I thought that one jumped out to me. Seahawks are somehow an underdog. I'm sure JJ will take them. I don't mind that Pat says an underdog pick though. Anyway, house great to see you enjoy the NBA cup this weekend. I will see you next week. So thanks to House.

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