The Bill Simmons Podcast - Are the Warriors Dead? Are the Cavs Alive? Plus, Johnny Knoxville! | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 370)

Episode Date: May 25, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan to talk about Thursday night's Warriors-Rockets Game 5, the Cavs-Celtics series, and the All-NBA team ballot (2:50). Then Bill sits down with the legend Johnny Knoxville to talk growing up a prankster, 'Jackass' origins, shared experiences with the infamous 'Action Park,' 'The Ringer,' 'Bad Grandpa,' and Knoxville's new film, 'Action Point,' coming to theaters Friday, June 1 (39:58). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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that I almost don't even want to record one. But we have this Johnny Knoxville interview coming up after this. Chris Ryan is here from The Ringer. The editorial director. One of the hosts of The Ringer NBA show. Bizarre game last night. Yeah. Rockets took a 3-2 lead, but it somehow

felt like a loss because Chris Paul definitely got hurt. And woke up this morning saying he wasn't feeling good. Not good. It didn't seem great. And I keep looking at that game and thinking like everything turned on that weird inadvertent whistle, which I still don't understand. It was definitely a travel. I don't understand why they can't review that. It was an awful call. It was a huge call. They get the ball back, but that's when Chris Paul misses. Then it comes back down and Quinn Cook takes the three. It takes a lot of shit, the rest of that and the internet,

fairly and unfairly because to me, it's like sometimes in these playoff series, like one moment is like a symptom of why this team should not win the title. Yeah. And the Warriors have five guys that I trust and nobody else on the roster. And the reality is they win that game if he makes the three, but he missed the three because he's Quinn Cook. And he missed the three because they had nobody else to put in that spot

because they only have five guys because they have seven centers on their roster and all these other dudes and Caspi didn't work out. And they basically botched last summer. They brought Livingston back. They spent a lot of money in Iguodala. They weren't able to get any buyout guys. Why did Philly get Bellinelli

and Iliosova? You can just call them Bellisova. It's easier. Bellisova. But like, they didn't get anybody. And that's what ends up to Quinn Cook shooting the biggest three of the game. And maybe the series. Maybe it's a little bit of humorous thinking you can develop the guys yourselves. And maybe it's also,

I don't know, that starting lineup is one of the best starting lineups of all time. And then the bench is an art exhibit. It's like an absolute performance art. What are you doing with all those centers that you're not playing? One of the things I love about the playoffs, when it's a good playoff, sometimes it's

not. But in this case, I think this is a really good old school playoffs where rosters really matter and what you did in the summer matters. You basically, the number of guys you trust as the rounds go along dwindles. The Celtics are now at seven. Yeah. Like Stevens finally

realized, I can't play semi-augilé anymore. I just can't. I have to go with these seven guys. Much to Tyloo's chagrin. Yeah. Tyloo's like, wait a second. I had a whole plan for semi-augele. But that's it. They have seven guys now.

The Cavs, they can't even find five. You know, they're throwing Jordan Clarkson out there in game five. Like he's going to do anything. And all of us were in the stand. I went to game five. All of us were in the stand. I went to game five. All of us were in the stands. Like, please keep shooting.

He took 10 shots in 15 minutes. Great. Yeah. That means everyone else isn't shooting. I didn't want them to give the ball to Kevin Love that whole game. And it's like, please, Jordan Clarkson,

you're feeling it. Go. Kevin Love feels more and more like a big Klay Thompson to me. Like everything he does is dependent on other players. They can never really like rely on him to create his own offense or to soak like a big Klay Thompson to me. Like everything he does is dependent on other players. They can never really like rely on him to create his own offense or to soak up pressure

or anything like that. But when they post him up, it's successful every time. But they don't use him like that. I know. They don't use him like that. It's been Ty Lue's biggest mistake

of the series is not realizing that Kevin Love kills the Celtics. And other than Al Horford, unless they put Morris on him, there's really not anybody on the team that can guard him yeah

back to the Warriors-Rockets game though I've never seen the Warriors this discombobulated other than 2016 game 7 finals that last 6 minutes when they basically lost the title because he had to play

Festus Azili, which is very similar to this Quinn Cook thing. And then they just couldn't get good shots. And they were trying to, and, you know, the Rockets were getting a lot of credit for their defense, and rightly so. But I just thought the Warriors looked discombobulated. I don't think Curry, I don't even know if he's hurt or not.

He's just not playing well. It shouldn't be this hard for him to create offense for himself and other people. The Rockets aren't that good. I don't understand it. I also wonder whether or not there's something to the Rockets playing in these tight situations at the end of games. You can see

them coming back in like wave after wave of three if they're down like 16 something like that, like the game six from a few years ago and against Oakland Oklahoma when clay just went off right yeah and you can see them kind of holding a lead being up 22 and just never letting you back in the game but it does seem like they

get a little bit tight when it's a three point back and forth back and forth lead swing I felt like last year this wasn't a problem and this year it does feel like a problem that seems to be growing. The Durant-Curry thing doesn't seem as defined this year.

And I think this started, you could feel it before the season started when they handed out the rings. Durant was the finals MVP. We left that summer going, that guy's the best player in the league now. And then the ring ceremony and all that stuff.

And you could see it was like, Steph goes last. Steph gave the speech. This is Steph's team. I just thought it was really interesting how they handled it. I remember I mentioned it on a podcast at the time, but they were very, very careful

about putting out their perception. This is still Steph's team. And you can kind of feel it this whole season. And then when things happen and the Rockets really need a basket, it's like, well, it starts being that LeBron Wade 2011 thing. And I just didn't think that was an issue last year. Last year, it was like everything was seamless. Well, they were probably both playing.

They're both pretty healthy going into the playoffs. Obviously, Steph missed some time it just does feel like their offense their offensive preferences have diverged yeah Steph has a certain way of playing a kind of playing in the flow of the offense and kind of making a lot of his own stuff by dribbling around going underneath the hoop

coming back out hey dribble handoff come back around on another screen see what's going on Kevin he likes it in Oklahoma. And he likes it in Golden State. He likes to get the ball in the wing and just kind of eyeball somebody for a while. And I don't know if how... That obviously works really well most of the time.

But right now at nut cutting time, it's tough. And it's tough when Livingston's out there and whoever's guarding him. The biggest play of that game was the Quinn Cook play where Curry was coming around on the screen. I think they had told Quinn Cook you have to shoot. But if you look at the bottom, like P.J. Tucker, I think it was P.J. Tucker, he's just standing under the basket

because Sean Livingston, you don't have to worry about him. He's just over there. So they don't have the same spacing anymore. But in general, there's been something off with this team all year they played great game they'd let up the next game they'd play good for a week and they'd let up again and that there doesn't seem to be that kind of fundamental need that you could feel from the Rockets in these last two games where these Rockets are like we might win the title I would fucking I will do anything to win the title I will rip my heart out of my own chest. It was a pretty emotional night, obviously last night in Houston with the CFA kids in the crowd,

but Harden was on the verge of tears last night. Like he can taste it. Yeah. And he was terrible. You win a game when your best player is 0 for 11 from three. Did you ever think that you would be in a world where somebody asked James Harden how they were able to pull it off towards the end of the game? And he was like, we had to rely on our defense again. Yeah. Well, the, the, the PJ Tucker thing, he didn't play that well for Toronto in the, in the spring last year. And I think it threw everyone off. I also think it's really tough to just get thrown into a new team and be like, Hey, do stuff. And, uh, and he kind of threw everyone off the scent a little bit. JJ said on my podcast on Wednesday, JJ Reddick,

that he thought he was going there. And then Daryl pulled off, pulled back the fourth year. Then Iguodala was there. But then all of a sudden they landed with PJ Tucker for I think like eight or nine million. And that's just a better fit for them, I think, than those other two guys. Can you talk a little bit historically,

because I'm always interested in this part, about how hard it is to go for the fourth time. And, you know, LeBron's an alien. And in a lot of ways, LeBron is a great example of how hard it is to make these campaigns because he just alienates and organizational fatigue and wears everybody down because of how driven he is to do it.

But you're saying on and off, on and off. Is that a product of, it's been four years of this. It's like a hundred games a year. For me, it seems more like, unless you have that crazy alpha dog dude, it's just hard to keep summoning it. It's like anything else. It's like when, you know,

we've both been writing stuff for a long time and you hit a point where you just know how toing it. It's like anything else. It's like when we've both been writing stuff for a long time and you hit a point where you just know how to do it and then the challenge becomes, all right, there's my empty Word document. All right, I got to write something. And sometimes it's not fun. And you can definitely feel that

during the NBA season. But I do feel like JJ, when we talked about, is basketball harder to play now than it was 10 years ago? And he's like, absolutely. It is so much harder. There's so much more running, the threes and just, and I really do wonder if the season's too long.

And now that we're in this every other day mode, like these games weren't good. Game five in Boston, I went to that one, was not a good basketball game. And the Cavs let gassed. The Celt Celtics completely fell apart in the second half. And then they're playing again Friday night. And in the old days, it was fine. You'd play every other day. The Celtics and the Pistons, when they were playing in the 80s, they would play Saturday, Sunday, game three, game four, stuff like that. I think basketball is too hard now. And I think they're going to really have to figure out

because what ends up happening is Chris Paul ends up getting hurt with a minute left in game five because that dude was going full speed three out of the last five nights. He's like a football running back. You have the same problem in soccer, right? When they have the

Champions League is going against the whatever. Yeah, those guys, and England When they have the, like the Champions League is going against the, whatever. Yeah, those guys in England specifically plays through the Christmas break, basically. In fact, they play more or less every three days during the Christmas break.

Which is for soccer, insane. Yeah. And then they play, not only do they play in Europe, but they have their domestic cup. So there'll be an up, like upwards of two cups in tournaments in England.

And then what happens is when they get to the World Cup in the summer, the English guys are always gassed. Now, they're also not as good, but there are usually a lot of questions about whether they're just burned out from playing usually pretty high-octane styles of football with their clubs.

So Liverpool and Tottenham, who supply a bunch of players to the English national English national team play like Nolan Richardson, Arkansas style, you know, they're just like pressing and counter-pressing and you'll see when they get there, it's like, they're just not as like the Germans and the Spanish players and even the Brazilians. They're just, they, they have like a much more relaxed schedule if they're not playing in England. Do you have a world cup sleeper for us, by the way? Are you saving this for Ring or FC? We have a bunch of those.

I can give you it now. So they're like a 4-8-1? So the hipster pick is Belgium. Oh, they'll lose. But they have a bad manager. Colombia. Colombia? That's O'Hanlon's.

And it's starting to seem pretty tasty. What are the odds for that? It's pretty... They're like... I think it's plus 1,400. I can't remember. It's pretty high. For basketball, the Warriors are still favored in this Rocket Series. I think it's plus 1400. I can't remember. It's pretty high. The,

uh, for basketball, the Warriors are still favored in this rocket series. And I think they're 10 point favorites in game six, you know, in a must win game. This playoffs has had some of the weirdest gambling lines we've ever had. Philly, I think was favored in every game.

Yeah. Of the, of route two. I didn't care for that. The game fives the other night, the Celtics were favored by one and the Warriors were favored by one. And I'm sure it's happened,

but I just off the top of my head could not remember two minus one lines for game fives. Game fives are usually the scariest and most frightening game. But usually you would at least be like a minus four, minus five, somebody's whatever. Yeah. And in this case, no. If Chris Paul doesn't

come back, the Rockets do it. Yeah, this is a wrap, right? As good as Eric Gordon is, they pass that point of just... Do they have a backup guard? They don't really have another... They don't even think of it as a point guard. It's more like a creator. Yeah. So it's basically Gordon and Harden.

Does that mean, are we going to have to see Anderson? I mean. We might. Yeah. I actually think they're a little more fine than people realize just from the offense part. They'll be able to run the same offense with Harden and Gordon.

It'll be a lot more ISO. But the problem is you're dusting off people who just haven't played. Right. And that's when it gets dangerous. Like the Cavs doing that with Jordan Clarkson on Wednesday night. It's like, that guy hasn't played in a week and a half. You're not,

he's supposed to hit open threes at the corner with people. He didn't tell you this, he couldn't hit open threes when he was playing 35 minutes a night in LA. The young legs thing is super important. Yeah. The Cavs do not have young legs. And I think you could feel it in that game five. And then you look at the Warriors dudes.

Those guys are all relatively in their prime, but you mentioned the Miles. And the four straight finals thing, you're right. LeBron's an alien. But the history of this is that fourth year, the team starts breaking down. And we saw it over and over again. We saw it with the 2014 Miami Heat. Going back to the eighties, you saw it with, with the Celts

by 87, they were just shot. With the, with the Bulls, we didn't see it because MJ just left after the third year. He didn't want any part of the fourth year. Why he thought that, we'll never know. But it's hard to remember going into a weekend with 3-2 and by the end of this weekend we'll know who's in the finals. And you could tell me any of the four teams were going to win and I would be like,

okay, that makes sense. Nobody should buy their plane tickets or make their hotel reservations. I have no idea who's going to win it. I think it could very well be Boston Houston if Paul's hurt or if it's just like LeBron just decides to like, he's been saving it for the last two games to go after it in the last, in six and seven, you wouldn't surprise me either.

The problem for them with LeBron is he can have his best game and they can still lose. And that's never happened before. Like game two, he was incredible. They lost, they lost by 13. He can't do it for four quarters. He game two, he was incredible. They lost. They lost by 13. He can't do it for four quarters.

He can do it for like three. And they might just not be good enough. Now you can tell me they're going to win by 20 tonight. And then you get to seven. And now you're counting on a 20-year-old kid who is by far the best scorer in the team and doesn't seem to totally realize that. They're really good at home.

I'm just saying, 20, 21, you know, irrational confidence dudes who can go either way in any game. And this Celtics team is not a slam dunk in a game seven. What an amazing referendum on home court advantage we're going to get in these conference finals. I know. Let's take a quick break. Let's take a break, talk about betterment.

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visit betterment.com slash BS. That is betterment.com slash BS. Back to Chris Ryan. One thing I was thinking about last night, are we sure Durant's coming back to Golden State next year? Yes. You would know. You're the Durant risk board. I wish I was. I wish I had information like that. I don't know. Last night was the first night when I watched him and thought to myself

it would actually be a great move for him to leave and go to the Lakers and just have his own team. Just move to Los Angeles. Youakers and just have his own team. Just moved to Los Angeles. You think now he wants his own team? No, I think he's going to stay there. And I think he's too self-conscious about the whole, what would people think if I did this part at this point?

Also, isn't his life incredible there? Isn't he like invested in like 106 apps and just has like an awesome life in Oakland? That's a big part of it. But I think he went there because he loves basketball and he wanted to be on a team where he could use all the basketball pieces of himself. And then you watch this series and you're like, oh, that's not really happening anymore.

And I'm not positive this is the all-time best basketball situation for you. And I don't think Draymond's the same guy as he was two years ago. And I think that's been kind of the sleeping giant of this series. There's been saying around our office, like the whole playoffs is the only person who can beat the Warriors is

Draymond. He was, he killed them last night, but he's as a three point shooter, just isn't the same. The Rockets are clearly happy with him shooting whenever like, please go ahead and keep taking shots. And he doesn't have the same confidence on that end.

And defensively just isn't, he is still probably one of the six, seven best defensive players in the league, but he's not dominant defensively like he was, you know, and he's just, there's just something slightly different. And maybe it's the attrition of four years.

If he had made that dunk, if he hadn't bricked that dunk. That was a big moment though. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. It really was. And stuff like that happens

and you think to yourself, file that one away. You know, that's a moment. But I just wonder, will this Warriors team, let's say they lose. Let's say they lose this weekend.

How do you bring this team back with all four when you can't really improve anyone around it? So who are the most likely candidates? Let's be realistic. Durant's not going to leave, right? So would it be that this... Did Klay ever sign that?

I would say there's almost a 0% chance KD would leave. But last night was the first night I was like, hey, I wonder if he would leave. I don't think he would leave to go to Miami and start over again. You know what I mean? I think he wants to be playing for titles every year. And all the reasons why he said he wanted to go to Golden State

are still in play. He wanted to play in this elite basketball system with incredible players. He wanted to take advantage of all his skills as a player. And I don't think he really wants to have the burden of the entire franchise on his shoulders. And that's why Steph and Draymond are there. Could Klay be the guy then?

Yeah, I think Klay or Draymond could be in play. I don't think that they would do it. I think Klay would be a nice sixer. You know, I'm bleeding out of my eyes for Klay Thompson on the Sixers. Sixers win the finals with Klay Thompson. I've actually had a point just as somebody who loves basketball

where I'd be all for that. For just a new team for Klay Thompson. Yeah. Because, you know, I also think these, you really have a four to six year run as a great team. And then you just have to repeat the cycle. And I think that's the case for anything. This is year four. They've had an awesome run.

And you could even say it's year five, because in 2014, that Clipper series was great. I really enjoyed that. But maybe something's going to have to change if they lose. My guess would be they'll change the coach and they'll do it in a really, really kind of respectful way where it's like he physically, he's going to do TV for a couple of years and try to get himself right. But that would be my guess. And I think Clay would be the number two pick for what they do if they, if they did it. I do not see them bringing back everybody next year if they lose. So you think that it's more likely that Kerr says, you know what? It's just too hard on me physically to do this 100 nights a year you know why I say that because I think it is

I don't think he's the same guy I think the last three years I think he's fairly miserable physically and he's been gutting through it but I think he had much more fun in that first title season and even then his back was like a mess

but you watch him of all the coaches he's the one who just seems like he's having the And even then his back was like a mess. Yeah. But you watch him, of all the coaches, he's the one who just seems like he's having the worst time. Well, he looks like a president. You know, those pictures of presidents when they come into the office, with the exception of the current one. And it's like, they look like this sort of young whippersnapper

who can't wait to get after it. And then at the end, they just look like the old guy at the end of 2001 after he's been through the Milky Way. That's what Kerr started to look like the old guy at the end of 2001 after he's been through the Milky Way. That's what Kerr started to look like. You know, like as soon as he goes back down to San Diego. Oh, he'll be great. He'll be nice and tan. His back will be better.

Right. Because I do think the stress of this stuff. He'll crush the Lakers in three years. Yeah. But I wonder if like the physical limitations that he has cost him game four. Well, he. Because there was a three seconds there physical limitations that he has cost him game four. Well, he-

Because there was a three seconds there when Durant made that weird pass to Clay. Bill, this is an amazing take. Thank you. Thank you. Put this on first take. And there's about two and a half seconds there when the coach had to run on the court and call timeout.

But poor Steve Kerr has like the back surgery thing. You've just hit on a whole other untapped mind of sports writing, the physical condition of coaches and whether or not they're costing their team's win by not being able to leap out of their seat to call it time. I'll tell you who would have been out there. Brad Stevens. He would have been right out there. Time out.

You wonder why Brad Stevens is doing sprints every morning. That's why. Physical fitness is an advantage. Yeah. No, but I think Stevens absolutely, 100% I've watched him for five years, would have called timeout the moment it became clear Clay didn't have a shot.

He's done that time and time again. I've never seen anybody in my life be able to recognize this is going wrong faster than he does and just be boom and he's out. But that was a big play. And right now it reminds me of the Philly Boston series where it's like the Philly Boston series came down to six plays. Yeah.

This series really came down to two plays is them not getting a good shot on that play. And then I guess the Quinn cook shot, maybe Curry that Curry shot was terrible to win the game. Was that the shot you want? The running full speed, whip off the backboard, 15-footer? How is that their best shot? This is the most important play of your whole season, basically.

That was the shot? And then with seven seconds left, the best they could do is dream on running full speed, like with the ball bouncing off his knee? So let me ask you this, because I think you were talking about this with Zach, but you've been talking about this throughout the playoffs

is this sort of like the series chess match and the way guys distribute their energy in different games. If you're Houston, I would toss it. Do you even play Paul? I would not play him. Do you even put him on a plane? I would not play him. Do you even put him on a plane? I would not play him. I would

actually try to emulate, I'm going way back here, the Lakers going into Philly for game 6 1980. Kareem's not even on the plane. Yeah. It's like, he's not here, don't think about him. Don't even look at him. This is our team for this game. And then Magic does what Magic does.

Jamal Wilkes at 37. I would do the weird kind of throwing away the game, not really move, of shooting like 55 threes. It's just like, Gerald Green, tonight's the night, baby. Add some

extra bullets to your holster. By the way, Gerald Green, another guy the Warriors should have signed. And I personally knew Gerald Green was good because he was awesome on the Celtics last year and he was like

the most popular dude in that locker room. And he wasn't even on a team until December and yet they had JaVale McGee and Zaza and all these fucking dudes

who don't play. Like why not have like roll the dice with Gerald Green? That was weird. Yeah. But yeah, I think the Rockets... How many threes a game are they shooting in this series? They want to be shooting 40, right?

I think we could see 52. I would go fast pace, ton of threes, make it a weird, chaotic, stupid game and hope it goes your way and if not, you punt and then game seven go back to slow it down yeah like what are the words get 72 shots last night yeah that's crazy

that's crazy it is funny though like we thought this Warriors team was so invincible and to watch PJ Tucker Trevor Ariza Chris Paul James Harden, and Eric Gordon look like the fucking 96 Bulls on defense. I was not expecting that. They play, and I just never would have thought that the Rockets would be in a series where they got Capella played off the floor. I never thought that they would be like,

let's have, we have this whole other look for you with PJ at the five, because I just didn't think they had it in their back pocket. I think one thing I remembered as this playoff swimming along is you have your regular season team and your playoff team. I think it's great to have Capella and Gobert. And all these wild as those regular, those playoff teams can sometimes define your regular season teams to come.

And that's what, that's what I have a lineup of death, right? Yeah. But you can't play the lineup of death for seven, seven months. And it's why maybe you're like, yeah, maybe we can just get by with Zaza or Javit Javel. Yeah. But you can't play the lineup of death for seven, seven months. But it's why maybe you're like, yeah,

maybe we can just get by with Zaza or Javid to veil. Yeah. Because we, we know what we're going to look like in the post season. I think the Celtics, I think tonight is a close game. That's the only prediction I'll make. I think it will come down to the last few minutes.

I think the young legs are going to matter tonight in a good way. And unless Kevin love is the swing guy for the calves. I think the young legs are going to matter tonight in a good way. And unless Kevin Love is the swing guy for the Cavs, if he just has an awesome game, I think they could win by 10 or more. But they need to get like 65 points from him and LeBron. Because I think the Celtics team defensively has figured out what to do. I can see it on Wednesday. Like they finally figured out the switches.

Tatum played the best two-way game I've ever seen him play. And there's still so much more there. But the way he was switching on Wednesday night with him and Brown, it was staggering. I couldn't believe it. Tatum's like been in the league for seven months. And he just instinctively know, oh, I'll go. You know, it's like

people don't realize how hard that is. But anyway, I think tonight's going to be close. I think the Rockets punt on game six, but might still win it anyway if they go like 22 for 50 from three. And then I don't think the Warriors can beat the Rockets in Houston if Chris

Paul is remotely healthy. No. But if he isn't healthy, I don't think the Rockets have enough guys. So it's all in a hamstring then. Can we talk about LNBA for one second and then we'll go? Sure. I felt pretty good about my picks

for the most part. I had... Did you have DeRozan over Dame? Who? Did you have DeRozan over Dame? No. In fact, I had DeRozan on the third team. I had Oladipo over DeRozan over Dame? Who? Did you have DeRozan over Dame? No. In fact, I had DeRozan on the third team. I had Oladipo over DeRozan.

And I kind of can't believe that wasn't how it played out. And I don't understand. Do people watch basketball? I mean, there's 125 voters. It's just like whatever the narrative is in February stays the narrative. Like Oladipo is better than DeRozan this season. Blog boys, man. I don't know.

He just was. He was better. He's a better two-way player DeRozan this season. Blog boys, man. I don't know. He just was. He was better. Yeah. He's a better two-way player. He meant more to a much shittier team. They were within like nine wins of each other and the, and the supporting cast weren't even close. And it was no contest to me.

I didn't understand it. His stats were better, but it's just, it's funny. Like Toronto is bitches about Toronto. It's like people actually do pay attention to Toronto. You know, they don't pay attention to Indiana. So that was crazy. I feel okay about Durant over Giannis for that first forward spot, but I did agonize over that and went back and forth on it.

I just felt like Durant shouldn't lose his spot unless it gets taken, almost like a boxer. Yeah. Like take my spot. You don't just, you know, I didn't love the way he finished the season, but Paul George making the third team was weird to me. I don't need to tell you this, but Ben Simmons was awesome after the all-star break. He was one of the best 15 players in the league.

And I thought that should have been rewarded. I never watched OKC and other than like a three week stretch was like, wow, Paul George. Whoa, holy mackerel. But my, my big regret was I picked Gobert over Horford for 13 mile NBA. Wow. What a sin. Well, I got carried away by the win streak, but the reality is he only played like 58 games or something. Horford played the whole season. His team had a better record and he's a better basketball player and the playoffs bore it out, you know? And I just, I wish I could pay that back.

Do you guys make your votes before the playoffs? Yeah, you do it right after the season. What about Curry? Curry, I just, if you don't play two thirds of the season, you're out on my ballot. So it's like about 57, 58 games is the, 50, 56, maybe 57.

And if you're below there, I just, unless there are no options, I can't vote for you. I was shocked. I'd have to have somebody look this up. I've never seen anybody make it on NBA team playing less games. He only played 51 games and he got hurt. He really played 50. He got hurt in the 51st game pretty early. If you could redo your vote today, would Smart replace Damian Lillard?

Damian Lillard, I'm fine with that. Intangibles? All intangibles to you? The problem is they do, you have to vote for two guards. And you have to vote for two forwards. So you can't really get creative at all. So it's like there was like six forwards. Like LaMarcus Aldridge shouldn't be a second team All-NBA player. Earmuffs over there.

He's just not. He's not one of the best 10 players in the league. That's ludicrous. But because they have this stupid thing where you're going to... But that's how I ended up with Simmons over George. But I really care about this stuff because when I did my book, I really leaned on these teams to when I did my book, I really leaned on these teams to try to figure out who meant

what. And every year, something was screwed up and didn't make sense. And then you look at this year and people are going to think DeRozan was one of the best 10 players in the league and he just wasn't. I'm going to ask a question that I really can't believe I'm going to ask. And Beeb, second team All-NBA, congrats. Which one of the Celtics' wings makes All-NBA

first? As a Celtic. So Tatum, Hayward, or Brown. Oh, that's interesting because you threw Hayward in there. Yeah. I just think Tatum is going to be unbelievable. It's really disappointing for me personally. The biggest thing that's changed about these Celtics playoff games

from round one to round three is the Tatum reactions in the crowd. It's on. Is he growing? Is he like, I know it? No. That's the frustrated thing. He has no idea.

It's like watching my daughter play soccer where it's like, just turn around and shoot. You're going to score. Yeah. And they just a fucking, it's like watching my daughter play soccer. It's like, just turn around and shoot. You're going to score. Yeah. And they just don't get it yet. But he's, I don't know what the ceiling is anymore. He does things during games where you're just like, oh my God, what was that? But I do think, you know, there's, it can happen fast.

Remember Durant that first year in Seattle, he shot like 40%. He's playing two guard. He's getting 20 a game, but he was on a bad team playing 40 minutes. And people were like, ah, he's not strong enough. And, but you could see the seeds of something. I think Tatum is actually further along this season with all the reps he's getting than Durant was. But within two years, Durant was at 30 a game and people are like, what the

fuck? How is he averaging 30 a game? I think it happens fast. He, Tatum has all the reps he's getting than Durant was. But within two years, Durant was at 30 a game. And people are like, what the fuck? How is he averaging 30 a game? I think it happens fast. Tatum has all the shots already. And it's funny. I just think he's one of the five most untradeable guys now. I really do. It's like Giannis, Davis, BS, Tatum.

Who'd be the fifth? I mean, then you get older and you go with the LeBron Durant guys but who oh Towns I would have Towns fifth on that list

because he's closer to the max extension he's also increasingly tradable apparently yeah but I mean at least the rumors the thing that I'm eyeballing

and then we'll go we'll hit Johnny Knoxville up this Yeah, but I mean... At least the rumors. The thing that I'm eyeballing, and then we'll go, we'll hit Johnny Knoxville up. This Donchich thing is insane to me. The slip? This is a bunch of bullshit though, isn't it? I don't know. I don't know. This is like,

if he falls out of the top four, you're going to see one of the smart teams, and I think we only have about four of them. And the Celtics actually have the assets to do this. It'd be like, Oh really? He's going to drop out of the top four here. Here's all of our stuff.

We'll take them. Yeah. Like somebody smart is going to be like, I think my craziest thing about it is definitely the, the panic about his diet that he likes to go to the Hard Rock Cafe in Madrid. He's 18. I know. He's five years older than my daughter.

This is ridiculous. He's two years younger than Jason Tatum, who's like a fucking baby. I actually think it's weirder when younger guys like that are like, I only drink chia smoothies. It's like, no. This is the time in your life where you can eat literally mozzarella sticks 24 hours a day

and still look like that. Yeah, seriously. Well, you can do that five years from now. It's like, what's the matter with eating Chick-fil-A all day long? You'll be fine. Chick-fil-A is not what's wrong with Markel Fultz. When you're 18, you're ordering pizza

at three in the morning and having like a pepperoni and sausage. And it's my third pizza of the day. Yeah, and it's greasy. I think it's one of the craziest. I just can't believe this and it really does I rarely go out on a limb

with draft picks especially young guys so if I do it I'm really I'm really adamant and like I think Durant was an example Curry

Anthony Davis but that was easy there's certain guys where you're just like why are we arguing about this? yeah right right and this is one of those guys.

This is crazy. Go watch the YouTube things. He's out there playing against fucking 32-year-old dudes in hostile environments, and he's making crunch time plays. The Sharks and Chow Memorial All-Star team. Yeah. Rudy Fernandez out there. He's got multiple go-to

shots already, and he's got step-backs, and he's like the highest level passer you could have. And he can create his own shot. It's like, what are you guys talking about? How are you not the number one pick? I just, I can't believe Phoenix is going to take him. We want to do Aiden because he's like, even though he doesn't like playing defense.

Yeah. How many centers have we seen in the final four here? It's crazy. If I was a Phoenix fan and I felt like they might take the center over Luka, honestly, I would start a website and I would just make my campaign. I'd say, please stop.

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I don't know how this has never happened. I've had this podcast for 11 years. I've run into him at a variety of places. And I don't know. It was like just on my, someday we'll have Knoxville. And then now it's finally here, 2018. Well, it's an honor to be here. Yeah.

Been following you. God, when did you come into my life? 2000? When was Jackass? 2000? 2000, 2001 was theass? 2000? 2000, 2001 was the movie.

So yeah, around 2000. What is Jackass? How does that happen in 2018? That's just you guys on YouTube and it's a completely

different career path, right? We, yeah, we came along pre-internet, which was great. Yeah.

You stood out. You stand out more in the pre-internet, you know, when something's on MTV. It's like, boom. Yeah. And, I mean, people were doing skate videos back then, but it hadn't really come to TV yet. So we got under the line that way as well. Right. Now everyone, like you said, on YouTube is doing it.

And it's just like, eh. If YouTube had existed back then, do you think, what, three, four years earlier you're doing that stuff? When do you think it would have started under the internet structure we have now? Well. Instagram, all these things. I would think since, you know, me, Jeff Tremaine, and Spike Jones, we created it. I think Spike would have found the best place for us.

Yeah. You know, because like some people just see part of the field. Spike sees the whole field. So we would have wound up where we needed to be with him. Yeah. How'd you get to know him? Jeff Tremaine went to high school with him in Maryland. And we were trying to figure out a show to do. And Jeff said, why don't we call Spike and we told him our idea for the show and Spike's like ah like how about make it more like

the Big Brother videos which we were already doing yeah and he's like oh you mean yeah that that's a good idea just do what we're already doing. What were your influences at that point? Everybody has influences. What was affecting you guys when you're coming up with a vision for everything you're thinking about? Well, just what influenced me in my life. The biggest influence would be my father yeah and my mom had a my mom and sisters had a lot to do with it as well um of course i love mel brooks and like uh revere his comedy but i was the baby of the family yeah and my sisters were eight and ten years older my father told me you you was

one of them m&m babies i'm like what's that daddy goes you came between menstruation and menopause best part of you ran down your mama's crack boy and then my mom would go oh honey it did not which is like mom you didn't if you didn't dignify it with that response, I would have thought it was just another funny line dad said. Yeah. But I was born with a club foot, so I think that happened. Anyway, my father was always pranking people growing up. He had a tire company where he pranked all his employees, all his friends, staged gunfights at the Christmas parties or send them letters from the VD clinic saying they contracted a venereal disease. You would give them X-Lax milkshakes.

And my mom, she loved chaos. She loved just, she had just a short fuse and she just loved creating chaos. And my sisters, since I was the baby, they and my father were always putting me up to naughtiness. So I was bred and raised to be a little shithead. To be a shit-stirring performer. Yeah, yes, that's what I did. I just wanted to make them laugh, so I would do whatever they said.

Right. And so I was just programmed from an early age. Like at three or four years old, I would walk in a room full of men and everyone would cover their nuts. Because my dad was like, hey boy, hey boy, go hit him in the cods. Go get him a cod shot. And I'd windmill some guy and bring him to his knees

i just thought that's how you said hello right so i had no choice in becoming what i became we did you go to college um i well my mom wanted me to go to college and because i was gonna say college sounds like this was would have been really perfect for this in a lot of different ways yeah really all you do is fuck with each other in college i wanted to play bay i was going to play baseball in college but i blew my arm out my senior season so i was like i'm okay i'll go to hollywood instead i don't know why i thought i could do that ignorance youth adrenaline um and that was it yeah i went to an acting academy the past the american academy dramatic arts for a few weeks and i took a couple of classes in college but i just it just i just

wasn't interested i after seventh grade when puberty hit i threw my protractor away you know yeah i only went to school for social reasons up until then i made had been a good student made straight a's but when when i as soon as i turned 13 i'm like what am i doing i don't care about any of this which is which is a terrible way to look at it kids what was your baseball injury uh my elbow just blew out my elbow i had to was it one of the top eight injuries you've ever had probably not no considering what happened after it's probably a walk in the park like having tommy john surgery yeah which i have to have uh i was supposed to already supposed to already had it yeah but my son i helped coach my son's little league team.

The players pitch to each other, but if it gets to four balls, the coaches come in and pitch, and I pitch to the team. And also, I want to be able to throw with my kid, and the season's almost over. They're in the championship. So now you're doing Tommy John just to be able to pitch to the kids? This is very noble by you. No, I was talking to my doctor about it and I'm like, I was a pitcher

and just being able to throw is very important to me. Yeah. It's a weird thing, but- Yeah, it's like a manly thing. You want to be able to catch your kids. Well, I'm not very manly at all. Like I grew up with sisters, so, you know. I'm not the most butch guy,

but I love throwing baseball. Yeah. And I used to be pretty good at it, so I want to be able to do that. And there's something about, you know, as you get older, you always want to know you can go outside and wing a baseball and a football. You know, like when you hit that point where you're like, I can't throw a football. I feel like at that point, just shoot me in the head. Yeah. Yeah.

It's something I enjoy. So I'll have the surgery. I don't care. Maybe some PEDs. There's a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I used to in high school, my senior year, our team wasn't that great. And so we all got on steroids. We all. Seriously? Yeah. Yeah. The whole, like most of the team. team wasn't that great and so we all got on steroids we all seriously yeah yeah the whole like the most of the team most of the team like i i i uh was taking decadurabolin which was by shot my knucklehead buddy would give me a shot and he asked me to give him a shot of it once and i just couldn't do it i was just i was just basically stabbing him in his ass because i was like no like four times he's like i'll give it to myself but we i did it for those six weeks and uh what were the results we still

went one in 11 the result was in the third game of the year i broke my ankle in a pep rally a cheerleader fell on it and all that hard work I had done, all those drugs and all that hard work I had done that summer went out the window because a 98-pound cheerleader fell on my ankle and broke it. I still played that night, but I wasn't that effective. So you made it through high school baseball with a broken ankle and you blew out your arm. Yeah. Well, by the time baseball came around, my ankle had healed.

But I had to pitch so much that year that my elbow just went by. How old's your son in Little League? He's eight. Oh, because my son's in the 10. And they still, it's weird. They monitor the innings, but not the pitch counts, which I don't understand. Right.

That doesn't make any sense at all. The 75 pitch inning just getting racked, but my son can have two, one, two, three innings. He has to come out. That's a terrible rule. It's idiotic. He'll have like, my son will pitch two innings and it'll be like 23 pitches and he's done. So your son is good then? My son's a good pitcher. I don't know. He learned how from video games.

He learned how to change speeds and stuff from playing Major League Baseball, the show. I don't totally understand. 23-pitch inning. He was ripping them through. He's getting it done. Yeah, he's had some nine-pitch innings and some 11-pitch innings.

But they're 10-year-olds. It's like they swing at everything. And at that age, it's just important just to get the ball over the plate. Because so many games are won just by walking and walking and walking. Right. I tell them, everybody's going to say it doesn't matter who wins or loses. It's just you getting better and being on a team. I'm like, it matters to me who wins.

I want you to know that. When you lose, it hurts my feelings and it makes me think less of you. Do you want to have dinner tonight? Do you like eating? Do you like having a roof? Wait, so back, so late 90s, where are you at this point in your life?

Late 90s, I'm just turned the corner of being into my middle to late 20s. I have a one-year-old daughter. I've been writing for magazines for a couple of years, and I'm doing commercials. Is that how you make a money, commercials? In the late 90s, yeah. From the early 90s, I was just working in restaurants or doing PA work or whatever I could to make ends meet. And then you meet, or you didn't meet, you knew him, but Spike and then Jackass Forms and then...

Actually, I knew Spike a little before we called him to do the show. He directed some videos for one of my friends' band, Wax. So I would see Spike around, and we knew each other, but I didn't have the balls to call him and say, let's do a show together. How did you find some of the other people? Most of the guys were writing for big brother magazine it's the skateboarding mag we came out of and jeff tremaine was the editor

of the mag got it and and we blame dave england for aaron mcgee he uh because we were shooting the pilot up there and he's like hey can i bring my this guy i know along we're like sure um actually aaron gets has gotten some brilliant footage for us we just like to give him help and preston was a friend of mine who was bagging jewelry for my then wife's jewelry company he was sitting on my couch when i got to show him like you want to be on the show yeah sure so but every everybody who's on it had a certain level of crazy i don't know do you are you like a craziness scout like you just kind of knew you could look in somebody's eyes and know that they were just right um yeah all the guys are pretty excitable and yeah you can look in their eyes just kind of know and know um yeah i don't know my father hung around crazy characters so you just kind of know and that's what i was raised in like everyone in his tire shop you know you know ass kicking robert uh we had one guy woodrow ww woodrow wilson boxcar johnson

jr uh big george boxcar by the way was always getting arrested for something just the stupidest things um so i just grew up in that atmosphere and it's just all very normal to me. That's why you like Kimmel and Sal. They also appreciate crazy people. Oh my God. They want to have lots of crazy people around them at all times. I mean, talk about some good hires. Kimmel has some good hires over there. It's a cast of characters.

It's amazing. It's unbelievable. And I give him hell about it. And he just throws it right back at me. And I have no defense. You know, I moved out here. I lived on the East Coast my whole life. Then I moved out here to write for his show.

And I ended up in an office with Sal and Tony Barbieri. That was my office. Every day, five days a week. And both of those guys, they just, there was no concept of just sitting at the desk working quietly. Oh no, no, no.

There's not a lot of respect. Respect. There was no respect. No. Tony just playing his music, getting upset. If you didn't want him to play music, cause you're writing something. Sal would wait for people to leave their desk and then he would go on and send emails from the people.

Oh, yeah. That was a classic Sal. So you'd have to like log out every time you left your desk, even if it was to go in the other room for 15 seconds. Yeah. Because he would log on and he would be like, you know, he's the talent coordinator. You just email from your email. I don't know who the hell you think you are. Oh, yeah.

And then you get this email back what and so then eventually it'd just be like sal and then they'd be like oh okay i get like they would just know we do that with phones like if someone leaves their phone unattended you just get on it send the worst thing to the most powerful person or the one that gets the angriest on that, whoever. And then what I do is I, if they see me with the phone, I'll erase the scent and in the trash. So they don't know who to call and apologize to. And then until they get the angry or confused email back. Yeah.

We don't allow that stuff here in our, our company. Cause you know know the millennials are very sensitive right they get a pranky text and they'd be upset for like a month and a half yeah

people are really sensitive people are very sensitive now it's a different time I remember when Jackass hit it was still that era of MTV when you watch commercials right

because we hadn't really perfected the DVR technology yet. I think TiVo was there. Not a lot of people had it yet, but it certainly wasn't like it is now where you just tape a show and zip through it. Right. And it was like Beavis and Butthead and The Real World, all those shows, you'd watch and

you'd just kind of sit there for three minutes. I remember the jackass, that first season, first of all being like oh my god what is this and then you would actually sit through the commercials like is there more are they going to come back for two more minutes and now it's just different everything's on demand and you'll be like what's their next thing boom go to the next one go to the next one you there was actually like anticipation that would build during the show yeah you know i kind of miss that a little bit yeah that's kind of like the nostalgia for action point it's like of a uh it's about it yeah it's about a and i'm not trying to like go to the movie but i just it was just this was the most

dangerous theme park of all time you know and you, and you understand why that can't exist today. Yeah. But you like wish. 10% wish, yeah. Yeah. You wish it was like that still because everything is just so, your fun is, you know, governed now. I was very careful.

All the lawyers. But back then, it was just fast, faster, and disaster. Well, we were forced to rely on our own resources a lot as kids. We're around the same age. We were on our own all the time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. With what was good, what was bad, what was safe, what was not safe.

Should we go here? Should we go there? And now everything is decided for the kids. Like the level of protection is. Oh, absolutely. I mean, I do with my kids. I would never, which year old is this kid?

I have a six, eight and 22 year old. She's about to graduate college. Oh, the 22 year old, you'll probably let them do their. No, like I was a 6, 8, and 22 year old she's about to graduate college you'll probably let them do their no like I was like with I am like with as far as safety goes with my kids I'm a total

helicopter parent like if they're climbing on something I'm under right under them in case they fall like I'm my wife says like for safety things you're like so over protected but if they do something say something naughty then you don't do that much so what's the right age to watch jackass in your opinion well that's another thing my with my daughter, she was like four when the TV show came out.

And she never got to see a full movie until Jackass 3D when she was 14. And even then, she sat next to me and I had a piece of paper and I said, some places I ask you to cover your eyes or cover your ears or both. And so even then she was monitored. And especially with my boy, he's excitable like my father. Right. He doesn't really, they don't really know what I do. Rocco, they did both come into the office and they saw a picture of me getting run over by a buffalo.

And I was like, oh shit, I should have put that away. Right. And I was like, oh, that have put that away and I was like oh that was just daddy having fun with his friends at work yeah so but then the other day the trailer for the movie comes on and I just froze I was like oh no

because it's the first time Rocco had seen that what's his dad he's going to want to watch it and I just froze. I didn't, I was like, don't do any of that. You know, I just,

so. My kid was six. We just let it happen. Yeah. Needless to say, it was in his wheelhouse. It was completely in Michael's wheelhouse

so much though that it's. You got concerned. Oh yeah, yeah. Because he's just- I see a lot of myself in him, and so I'm trying to- Well, you're 50% him. That's, I think, one of the reasons. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So, trying to keep him in the middle of the road. Not in the middle of the road. Not in the middle of the road. I guess best if you walk to one side or the other. I think when that show came, when that show really hit, it was still pre-internet. Now everybody has a place to go on the internet. They go on their message board community or their blog

or they follow people on Twitter that think like them. They go on their little YouTube, all these different pockets where it's like, oh, I'm part of this community. I'm part of here. And then even as late as 2000, we just didn't have that as much. And it was like, it was this group of friends. I felt like they were my friends, even though I didn't know any of them. I think a lot of people felt that way. And I think that's harder to achieve now in 2018, where it's like, here's this group. I just wish I was part of this group, but I'm not.

So I'm going to live vicariously through them. Yeah. And it's just sit around, just instead of doing things, you just look at other people doing things. Yeah. When did that start? I guess maybe this century. It might even start with you guys.

Well, I mean, just like whether it's Instagram, everyone's just looking at their phone or computers all the time of people doing exciting or objectionable or weird things. What about the video games? When they watch other people playing a video game? That part blew me away. Are there, what, that's a thing? That's a thing. That's a thing.

There's a whole thing called Twitch. There's a whole channel where you can watch people and you can see their faces. Well, I mean, we watched golf growing up. It's basically the same thing. You know?

It's just as boring as watching someone play video games. I would just rather play video games than watch somebody play video games. Yeah, absolutely. If I had the choice. Yeah. So when Jackass hit, you guys had bad, didn't you? You had unfavorable contracts?

Or it became. Well, MTV, the TV show, the MTV is notorious for, it wasn't worth it to keep doing it. It wasn't unfavorable contracts, which led to the downfall of the TV show. It was basically the same.

We took the same storyline that killed Jackass, the TV show, and applied it to Action Point. The lawyers came in and made it too hard for us to do what we wanted to do. Oh, really? Because we had some copycat incidents, which were, you know, that we hated that. I hated that i hated that and but then it was an election year and um washington came down on joseph leverman came down on mtv the show me personally it was like he was being tough on hollywood i remember i don't remember the real problems but yeah but it just they put all these like people on the show they were getting squeezed so we got squeezed and i was only on the air nine

months and i i quit because like there's things oh you guys can't jump up anything higher than four feet like how the hell do we do a show right Right. I'm like, I can't do this. And so I quit. And when I quit. But it was better to do the movie, right? Well, the shit hit the fan for a while because I didn't even look at any contracts or anything. I just quit. I just gave an interview to my hometown newspaper and said, I quit.

But eventually out of that came the first movie. I like when lawmakers get bent out of shape about a show like Jackass instead of like fixing homelessness or something. Right, that's exactly what it is. Let's concentrate on this, the copycat Jackass people. There's no, you know no consequence of attacking Hollywood. And getting pious.

It's so. So at what point with your body were you like, wow, this is becoming tough for me physically to do a show like this? I never really gave it much thought. Because I always felt like you were like a football player, like a free safety or something. Oh, if I only had that much speed. The club-footed tight end. After I got injured on Action Point more than I have on any film I've ever done.

Just because you're older? No. Or the stunts were tougher? All my stunts are designed to fail. They always have been. And boy did I fail in this movie. And I set them up so I hate doing stunts twice, especially if you're going to get worked. Yeah. So I designed them to end as a big of disaster as possible.

And yeah, it, by the end of this film, it had really caught up with me. What was, what was the one that had the, the harrowing water slide? Was that action park or was that the other one in New Jersey?

The what water slide? One of them had the harrowing water slide that they would never allow anymore. It actually felt like you were falling to your death. Oh, I don't remember the harrowing water slide when reading about Action Park. Maybe though. No, I think it was, maybe it was a competitor. What was the crazy one at Action Park? Well, any ride you got on at Action Park was insane.

Other than all the rides. Because the owner, Gene Mulvihill, was like, you know what? Let's not hassle the kids with a bunch of rules. Let's leave safety up to them. Yeah. And oftentimes, if you thought of the ride, he'd just let you build it. It didn't matter if you were 15 or 16 or had been smoking a left-handed cigarette, maybe half in the bag on

booze like yeah there's some nails and hammer so it was literally you were taking matters into your own hands yeah they were famous for like uh you had to be four foot eight to go on the ride but well he's three foot eight is that good yeah it's close enough well yeah all the people running the rides were teenagers and they were so stoned. They didn't care. It was like you were in charge of the fun at Action Park. That was their motto. That's what was in the commercials.

You control the fun. Do you do research for some of the craziest, most awful things that happened there? Yeah, but we didn't include the most awful things in the film. Right, but there must have been some bad ones, right? Oh, yeah. Like roller coasters just coming off the track. Oh, I don't remember any roller coasters coming off the track, but it's just every little thing is so funny.

The water was so... It was so disgusting. First of all, on the Tarzan swing, the water was so like first of all like on the tarzan swing the water was so cold like i think some people maybe had a heart attack just diving in the water because it was so cold and then like the other water rides it was so like girls would often come away with yeast infections because the water was so dirty oh yeah it's just oh like baby shitting in the water yeah yeah and then never cleaning it for five years the hell with chlorine yeah it was rough those are weird times but not pretty rampant pot use though too and around every corner at those parks too to probably build up

your immune system going to action park in a lot ways. Yeah, if you made it out of there, you were tougher, stronger, healthier. It's like when people go on the safaris and they have to get all the shots. Yeah, you have to get shots to go to Action Park. No, it's usually after you went, you had to go get shots. To undo the damage of it.

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And we had a bunch of names trying to figure out what we'd call it. And one of the ones we really liked was The Ringer. Oh, that's great. So we Googled it and the movie we made came up. But nothing really else. But the movie was like, what, like 10 years ago? 2004? Yeah, yeah.

And we're like, oh, it was a long time ago. And when we put it out, we just didn't know. We didn't know. People were like, fuck you. That's the Knoxville movie. It was fine. Oh, no. Yeah, it was good.

No, it was fine. It wasn't coming to ruin anything for you? No, no, no. It was all good. It was good. But it was, we were worried. But I ended up, I bought on eBay, there was the ringer hat. Oh, merchandising.

There's like a red one. Yeah, that you guys made. So I was like wearing that. I was like, hey, we have hats already. It was like, no, we didn't. Yeah, you just piggyback on that merchandising. It was for the movie though. Then you came back and did a couple other jackass movies, right?

Yeah. You've done three or four. I can't even remember. Three, 2006 and 2010. And then. Unfortunately, they were on Netflix or Amazon or one of those. So my son was banging them out without us knowing for a while. What's that?

They were on like one of the streamings, like Netflix or Amazon. And there was like this six month window with our son where we didn't realize that he was as good at navigating around the Netflix menu as you realize. He's like, what are you watching? Nothing. They're horrible liars. They really are. They're pathological liars. They cannot.

Well, they cannot do it well. Right. It's like you can like. They'd be terrible poker players. son it would like he's like but i'm a terrible poker player yeah uh so uh my daughter she's she's pretty decent at covering herself rocco's just an open book my son has this thing with his jaw that he does that we always know when he's lying he's like what and he what? I hope he doesn't listen to this podcast because then he will know not to do it.

He definitely won't. He definitely won't listen to it. I did tell him you were coming in and he did want to know if you were ever coming out of jackass retirement or if that was it. I don't know. It's a possibility.

I told him you never know. I've been surprised by athletes who've come back TV shows that came back Ralph Macchio and William Zabker back you just never know you never know who's coming back I haven't gotten around to watching that I gotta say it was like shockingly good

I heard that from so many people that it's really good it was really good it was like a continuation cause that's like our era and it was like kind of picks up where's like our era, you know, the Friday kid. And it was like, kind of picks up where it left off 30 years later with these characters that I didn't realize I still cared about. We're going to get a lot of shows picking it up back up. I think,

yeah. You know, I think some we're going to be psyched on most. We're not, it's not going to be great. There's a couple though. There's some big, uh,

like cheers. Couldn't come back with the same cast, but I think the idea could come back. Yeah. Yeah. Like they could modernize that. But then there's other ones where you could take the characters and like they would never do this, but could these random movies that we cared about,

like Dazed and Confused and Swingers, could those come back 20 years later? We're like, hey, it's Swingers again. And Double Down Trent is now, you know, and you basically like try to parody what's happened to Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau since then. There's cool ideas out there. The idea, first a film and then it's a television show.

I like that idea. I don't know why I prefer it it's a television show i like that idea i don't know why i prefer it more than opposite the a television show becoming a film 30 years later but binge watching is fun oh yeah i i that i do you can kind of like two-thirds watch it but not devote your full mental energy to it i yeah i do yeah like i was one of those people who'd never seen the wire before oh yeah it was like everyone's like oh the wire or i'm like oh fuck you and i watched the first two three episodes with my wife and the first two three episodes i'm like oh yeah it's all right it's all right but something i don't know what it was something click and by the fourth episode i'm like we have to watch this yeah all the way through within two weeks.

Yeah. I understand binge watching. Yeah. I mean, I remember I didn't watch 24 initially and then the DVD came out and me and my wife plowed through them. Those were kind of the early binge watches when the TV series DVDs would come out.

Have you gotten crazy streaming offers to bring back different things because this is a good area for content right now um well the things they want me to bring back is like another jackass or another bad grandpa and that would just be you know paramount uh wanted me to do that uh the guys were up for it too though uh so and that's it's always up to us because we put everything on the line in those films and yeah everybody has to really want to do it uh to do that you can't go in halfway is they're going to get hurt but if you don't commit you're going to get really hurt right is there one thing when you look back

you can't believe that you guys did like you're like wow that that was nuts why did we do that yeah i mean it's tough though because if you're doing that kind of thing, then you probably don't know where the line is. Right. And I officially lost where the line is in action point. I did there. We did in Jackass as well too though because as soon as there's one line, oh, there's another one. It's like professional

wrestling a little bit when they kept climbing higher and higher and doing these jumps and then at some point they're climbing on these scaffolds that are 40 feet over the ring and diving on each other. At some point it's like, you're probably going to die if you do that. You hit some point that you just can't do it anymore is the x just watching the x games i get anxiety because i mean

that just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger well i wonder now this generation that's coming in is now an entire generation removed from x games tony hawk that that original Kelly Slater surf crew. I mean, all that stuff is 15 to 20 plus years ago. And all these people are now coming in 18, 19. They don't even know what life was like before that. Yeah, but I mean, that's the way it is with every generation. But I would say that's a good thing though. Yeah.

A lot of people learn from at this point. Learn from? I don't know to emulate the what to emulate emulate those guys just all tips all different types of guys yeah but i mean thing as far as sports it just it keeps you're emulating what's going on today and like the tricks that were insane a few years ago, everyone's passed that by. Right. By now. I think it's helped with the NBA.

What's that? I think it's helped in the NBA because the young guys that have come in now really know how to handle their business and work hard. And the reason, because they've been watching how this LeBron generation has kind of handled their business

and how seriously they take everything. And, you know, the amount of time they put in their bodies and their Instagram in these 7am workouts. And then these new guys are coming in and they're like, yeah, that's how you kind of handle your business.

Are, cause I saw some crazy statistic of, I don't know if it was the NFL, the NBA, like 75 80 percent of the athletes are broke just a few years after yeah we did it 30 is that still is that still are they better with their i think it's getting better with their money yeah i think it's getting better there was a stretch there in the 90s and 2000s when the education's better. You know, back then you'd sign a $10 million deal and you would think it was actually $10 million.

Yeah, you don't realize that the government's going to take 40%. You do the math and it's like- Your agent takes 10%. If you got a manager, a business manager, you're walking away with like 34 cents on a dollar. Yeah. And they thought it was 100 cents. So they'd sign a four-year, $16 million deal, and they'd be like, I'm buying an $8 million house. Right.

And I'll get $2 million cars. And then it's like, yeah, that math's not going to work. It's tough. Nothing has prepared you for that. Yeah. So, yeah, hopefully. How long have you been in LA now? Over two decades? I came out in the summer of 89. Oh, yeah, hopefully. How long have you been in LA now? Over two decades?

I came out in the summer of 89. Oh, three decades. Went back for the winter of 89. Then I came back for good in January of 90. Did you think you'd be out here for this long? Because I'm always amazed. I've been here 15 years and I can't believe i've been here this long i was gonna be here until something happened right i wasn't leaving until i like a murder yeah until i made it yeah like i wasn't there was no backup plan so i'm like i'm

here i'm going to be here until something happens and so i never thought about it the location much more than that and you're here for good now uh i don't know i kind of take it things as they come how who else is an action point oh chris ponnius is an action point and he is he absolutely steals the movie he is so fucking funny on screen and soon as they say cut he's just as funny he's uh just really obsessed with hatchets and his character was obsessed he was constantly like making spears for the makeup ladies and actors and actresses. Nobody asked for a spear. Making spears?

Spears. He was whittling like eight foot long spear, very sharp. And he would give these long spears to the makeup ladies. And they didn't know what to say. But because he's so sweet, you know, everyone was very touched. Yeah. Anyone else gave them a spear, they would think he's a lunatic,

but not Pontius. He can get away with so much. I didn't know people could give out spears. Yeah. But there's a lot of great- And when's it come out? Comedians. June 1st. June 1st.

Yes. Trying to think of the final, start the day before. This is perfect. Yeah. You want to threaten any other movies nah

talk shit talk shit to the other movies nah I'm not much of a shit talker they can't hear anyway yeah fuck them I will see you where you

where you can play little league baseball in not too far from here we're in the we're in the wilshire wilshire one yeah you're gonna see i might see you at the park yeah no we're on the other side of town the is it a is your league uh really competitively yeah yeah it'll get probably next year probably 11 is when it gets picks up yeah the one he's in is, they're a little competitive,

but it's pretty chill. I figure, but he's only eight, so I didn't want it to be, there are competitive leagues for eight, but I didn't want him in those. Because he's just gaining his confidence and he doesn't need to be in a high stress. Baseball, you can't get too inside your head with baseball

because most of the game is mental. So I want him to have fun, and eventually he'll go to the competitive leagues. It's an interesting parent sport because you're there for like two plus hours on those metal benches. There's no back support. You're sitting there. Yeah.

Your kid might not do anything for 45 minutes yeah kind of watching balls and wild pitches and then uh and then something good will happen you're like i'm glad i'm here yeah that's why i like coach coaching because then be first base coach uh i i do i am the first base coach and i you know and I also pitch to the kids. Yeah. So there's not much sitting around at all. All right. Action point, June 1st.

Yes. June 1st. You gave your body for this one. Oh, boy, did I. Are you okay? Are you all right physically? Yeah. I recovered.

Okay. My neurologist said my brain reset itself after all the concussions. So that's good. How many concussions have you had? You probably don't even know. In this movie, I had four. In the movie or when you were filming? Shooting the movie, I got four concussions.

Oh, no. And I had probably around 16 my whole career. Oh, no. And I had like probably around 16 my whole career. Oh, God. Yeah. Whoops. Didn't know. We didn't know back then. No, we didn't.

We didn't know. Good luck with Action Point. I'm excited to see it. Thank you. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. All right. Thanks so much to ZipRecruiter.

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