The Bill Simmons Podcast - Bad Oscars Beats, Zion's Future, Lakers Chaos, and Kraft's Shame With Cousin Sal and Joe House | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 486)

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House and Cousin Sal to discuss Bill and Sal's 2019 Oscars bets, golf futures, and more (3:00). Then Bill and House talk NBA playoffs, the MVP race, Lakers coaching buzz, Zion Williamson's injury, NCAA alternatives, and Robert Kraft (32:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Titus is in LA and it's all going good. Joe House is here. He's in studio. Cousin Sal is going to be on the line for the first 25 minutes. And we're going to talk about the Oscars. We're going to talk about basketball. We're going to talk about subjects I don't want to talk about. All that's coming up. But first, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right. It is Sunday night here in Los Angeles, California. Joe House is in town, in the guest house right now.

I came in for the Oscars. You're not wearing a tuxedo. I'd like to thank Katsuya. I'd like to thank the lobster, the dynamite lobster. Two months ago, we had Drunk House. Now we have I Ate Too Much Sushi House. Also on the line, briefly at the top of this podcast, the man who yet again, he did it one more time. He did the impossible. He looked at odds that seemed insurmountable and he said,

you know what? These are surmountable. I'm betting on this. The man who ruined Glenn Close's Oscar, Cousin Sal, how are you? Close, but no cigar again. I can't believe I keep losing money. When am I going to learn my lesson with this nonsense i lost with get i lost when i won i won with with moonlight and then i i still didn't teach me a lesson wait did you did you you won with moonlight that i won i sure they called moonlight as the winner and i won and i still lost money because they changed it yes yeah so yeah i'm a loser yeah well result this time around you texted me. Anytime you text me a multi Oscar parlay, I just fear for everyone's safety. What was the one this time you were like, I'm working on this.

It's got this. It's got Roma. And it just seemed destined for disaster. I got it down to minus 160. So that's 160 to win 100. But you can imagine I did it for many hundreds. And I'll tell you why in a second house. We'll appreciate it. But I uh, I had, I had, what did I have? Okay. So I had, uh, Alfonso

Coron for best director. Good winner. Okay, good. I had Dustin Johnson when he was like three strokes up and minus 1200. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I didn't know if he was a cinematographer or something i didn't realize you were the golfer duster johnson okay he had uh what else did i have i had a vice for best makeup hair and makeup i had spider-man for best animated i had um uh what am i missing what was some of the big and then the big ones um oh my maher maher maher shali i said they're a for a second. And Glenn freaking close. Now, the thing I was worried about all night was the best director.

There was some screwy things happened. That opened that Cuaron was minus 5,000. And then the director of The Favorite, something leaked out somewhere in Maryland or some college. Someone said their parents were on the committee, the Oscar committee, and that the director for The Favorite shot all the way up to plus 200. The Alfonso Cuaron was minus 400. So I was like, all right, this is a screw job I haven't dealt with before. This is what's going to happen. But that actually did win, and Glenn Close lost. Unbelievable. So there's a lot of drama today, House. Yeah.

Your ghost, somebody, the director of The Favorite, I can't pronounce his last name. He was plus 4,500 heading into this weekend. Oh my. And then on the online sites, the number started dropping and it started dropping

and it started dropping and it started free following. And then didn't people start to take it off the board? So this was the first year you could legitimately bet this at the, you know, at, at, at an,

at an, so FanDuel is tied to that, that Jersey casino that you could, the sports book that you could make bets in legitimately. And they took it off the board. Yeah. They, and some others.

So that's free falling. So Sal thinks he's gonna lose the the director bet right but he wins it now all that's left is glenn close slam dunk this is gonna happen she's ready she's the susan lucci of the oscars she's lost like five or six times this is gonna be her moment standing ovation sal tears running down his face and then the lady from the Favorite wins. And she was more surprised than anybody. She actually fell backwards.

She didn't win all the precursor effing awards. I almost guarantee you will win in these things. I give up. I can't. What did she do? Did you like her in The Favorite? I'm a queen and I'm going to disrobe and everyone's going to tend to my name.

What was that? Who cares about that? Everyone on The Ringer who's pretentious said that they love that movie. Come on. Give it up. What was that? I count myself as one of the pretentious Ringer people. I really like that movie.

But what's funny is I thought she was the third best actress in it. Who was second? I like that Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz. Oh, in that movie. Yeah. I really honestly thought she was the third best. I thought she was a little over the top. And I couldn't figure out

who was potentially going to beat Glenn Close, which is why ultimately I stayed away. But I just don't think a lot of people saw The Wife. This was Fantasy's big case for it. Fantasy was saying a month. Who saw The Wife? Who saw The Favorite?

Dispelled with a U, by the way. No one sees any of these movies. Favorite with the U. Oh, congratulations. The one that really nobody saw was the Willem Dafoe one. I didn't even get a screener for that one. Right, that's the one I didn't see. Yeah, that one like happened in a vacuum somewhere.

But more people saw The Favorite than The Wife. And then The Wife is good, but it really did feel like the career achievement Oscar. So it was fine. It was going her way. And then Sal Waifu's good, but it really did feel like the career achievement Oscar. So it was fine. It was going her way. And then Sal bet on her. And she lost again. She won all the BAFTA and all the other crap, all the awards that matter.

I don't understand what goes on here. Like, why everything has to change? I am glad, though, that Cuaron won and it didn't change. You know, nothing leaked out. I do feel like there's a little bit of legitimacy to these freaking award shows, but maybe not. Well, I won on Best Picture. Yes.

How about that? I was going to tweet about this today and I decided to just save it for the podcast. I texted you yesterday. House, did I show you that text? No. I texted Sal yesterday and I said, I've decided Green Book is going to win the Oscar for two reasons. One is that old white people love this movie.

They just really do. They just love this movie. And the Academy last time I checked still has a lot of old white people. And then there's a little anti-Netflix sentiment, especially the old school Hollywood. Who do you think you are, Netflix? You're just going to buy your way into the Oscars. So it was plus three 50, which I just thought was too high. Roma had subtitles, you know, it was, it was lined up.

It won the foreign. Yeah. It won the form. But it's like old people, the old Academy members watching these screeners with subtitles where you have to pay subtitles. No wonder I didn't understand what the hell was going on. And everybody over 60 just loved Green Book. And the moment that I decided I was going to bet on it was when Francesa was on his show. And he did that. First, it took him 10 minutes to pronounce Mahershala Ali. And then he did the whole Green Book. That's not only the best movie I've seen

this year, but the last couple of years's not only the best movie I've seen this year, but the last couple of years. It's the best movie the last couple of years for me. And I was like, Green Book's going to win the Oscar because there's a thousand Mike Francesas in the Academy. And there it was, plus 350. So I actually won one. That was good. I'm proud of you. You did it. I will say, were you a little nervous when the director of Roma won? Because a lot of times those go hand in hand. No, it seemed like the Oscars was getting a little wonky. I actually felt pretty good for Green Book.

Because Green Book won one earlier in the thing. And what's funny is Green Book's taken so much shit as kind of the crash for this decade that you could almost see Peter Farrelly's face, the director. He was almost semi, not ashamed, but just like, I know I'm going to take shit tomorrow. I'm just going to try to enjoy this now and hold the award. And then tomorrow I'm going to get rigged through the coals. I'm glad you won. I'm glad someone won.

But I will say, and this gives me a nice opportunity to do an impression of you. A few months ago, before all the other awards, Golden Globe. Yeah, I deserve this. We have to jump on A Star is Born. Yep. It's plus 150 now. It's going to be minus 400. Yeah, I did. Something happened. It didn't win anything. And it went to like 12 to 1 for best picture. jump on a star is born yep it's plus 150 now it's gonna be minus 400 yeah i did something

happened it didn't win anything and it went to like 12 to 1 for best pick in my defense i i never actually put it in your stars that's true that's true there did i wish i had a defense i just fuck i suck at this there's there was about a two-week stretch there where a star is born could have won like four of the top five and i think what happened was they didn't lobby for it. You got to really suck up to these people. Cooper was like his, their PR campaign for it last October, November. I just, just didn't, he didn't play the game. Right.

Even like when they went in Vegas two weeks ago and he went on stage and sang with Gaga. Like you had to do shit like that in December. You couldn't do that. And he loves Vegas. He did a whole movie, two movies about Vegas. Yeah. Two yeah two movies i don't know uh at least did you watch with your wife tonight uh she's out tonight but i so i was checking in i was playing with the kids and watching but i think this is the first time in like nine years i've been home for it i went the

last two years jimmy hosted and the last seven before that we hosted a after after the oscars oh yeah yeah we came alive well jimmy's's the last Oscars host ever because it actually worked with no host. We're never going to have it again. Do you really think so? I mean, I'm a fan of comedy. I missed the hundred jokes that were laughing. But here's the problem. Nobody can be funny anymore.

Yeah. What kind of comedy are you going to do? You can't cross any lines, so you're just kind of doing one-liners. Like, what's game i guess you're gonna make fun of lady gaga it's gonna be for falsely reported that without a host that's why it went so fast but they cut they caught four awards and two songs and stuff like that that's what made it fast did it go fast it was like three hours 20 minutes like house was five plates of sushi and it was almost over well Well, I got there halfway through.

That was exactly the right dose. It should be exactly half of whatever it was. I got five plates of sushi. It was an hour and 20 minutes of a program. I'm holding up two winners. I mean, I have two. We should have put odds on calories and what day of the week the house expires. He's out for a full week, right? Yeah, he's out for a full week.

It's going to be a problem. Yeah, oscars was three hours 15 minutes i i think some award shows need hosts and i thought jimmy was my favorite version of whatever the modern host is and i'm still not sure you need a host it was just like you have all these celebrities that can just go up and if the host is like gonna get in trouble because he's making fun of whatever and that becomes a storyline after i don't know what the i get i mean it's just impossible to finger what who this show is for right that's that's my point it's like if you're trying to have the best possible show yeah you need a host but i'm not sure they want the best possible show i think they just wanted to move along hand out some oscars have some

performances and you go home speaking listen you guys could have talked me out of Glenn Close, but I only doubled up on that stupid Oscar parlay because I lost so much on the MFing Golden State Warriors who couldn't beat the Rockets without James Harden. Explain that quickly to me why this keeps happening. I don't know. Sal, have you thought about not gambling anymore? Well, the great thing is now Harden's still going to win MVP. Shouldn't he just buy... Shouldn't that be the league's policy? If you can go to Golden State and win without

a player, that player cannot be named MVP. Yeah, it should hurt his case a little bit. We blew it today with the Oscars. One of my favorite traditions every year is trying to figure out who's going to get the hammer in the In Memiam montage yeah they screw with it and we should have i should have come on you're against all odds this week and we should have figured out we should have a whole list of everybody who died and as they went through the montage and they showed burt reynolds

pretty early yeah and it was like wow hey so i guess it's not going to be burt reynolds this is going to be somebody big then they dropped the neil simon a little bit later it's not going to be Burt Reynolds. This is going to be somebody big. Then they dropped the Neil Simon a little bit later. It's like, oh man, Neil Simon, man. They're really holding somebody awesome for this. And then it's going and going. And at some point I started having real hope it's going to be William Goldman, my friend who won the two Oscars,

the great screenwriter. I'm like, wow, they might really, this might be the time the writer gets it. Nope, he gets thrown up there he was inside the like the last he made it to like the yeah he made it to like the last minute it was really exciting i was really rooting for it like it was like uh marshall got like three clips yeah yeah penny yeah she got she's in there could end with her too for a second luchi was in there and they're just running through names and at some point i'm like wow somebody major have died. And then it was the last one was Albert Finney.

Yeah. Didn't see that one coming. I would have had him like plus 400. So I don't think they, because of conversations like this, I think people end up feeling bad about, oh, who's the best. It goes along with savior applause to the end.

We don't want to make this a competition kind of thing. Yeah, but it's got to be burt reynolds right yeah yeah they're announcing winners all night might as well announce the dead winner of the night right all right sal speaking of save your applause uh till the end and the dead winner have you and uh have you had a chance to talk to simmons about robert craft yet oh no oh no i thought we were gonna save that for later i think we could do it now in the middle and at the end i think man there's a beginning there's a middle and there's an end to these things bill this could have been house a great moment where we could have made fun

of simmons because he went and saw a prostitute if it was just a prostitute but now this becomes a much bigger story because we don't know the background of this. And now it becomes ugly again, so we can't make fun of it. So Simmons is off the hook again, I feel. Yeah, there's a whole sex trafficking thing that's really, really ugly. It's a bad story. This is a man who seems like he's been going off the rails a little bit for a few years now.

And just the behavior has been really erratic and you read a story like this it's not like it's shocking it was like oh my god bob craft what like this is somebody who's been out all the time he's got his girlfriends who are like 40 45 years younger than him i i think i think his wife's death if i can defend mr craft who brought me six super bros for one second i do think his wife's death really screwed him up and Mr. Kraft who brought me six Super Bowls for one second, I do think his wife's death really screwed him up. And I don't think he has been the same since from a behavior standpoint.

So there you go. If we're defending him, the only observation It's a weak defense, but I just think he's acting like somebody who lost his wife and has never been the same and has just acted really erratically ever since. I think he's going to have to step down though. I don't think he sells the team, but I think it's

the right time to pass the team to his son, which I think is something that probably should have been happening anyway. Well, let's make sure his son's not on the list. Yeah, that's right. I called my dad two days ago at one o'clock Pacific time. And he was sound asleep on the couch watching something. And he's like seven years younger than Bob Kraft. It's at some point it's time, you know, it's time to maybe the day-to-day operations. I'll tell you when I thought that maybe he was losing his fastball a little bit with the whole deflate gate thing, when he just like folded and we lost our number one pick.

I'm still trying to figure out how that happened. You know, like the old craft would have wheeler and dealer debt and fought it. And he just kind of rolled over on it. And that was when I was like, man, what's going on. But you're basing this on bad decisions outside of football.

You can't, if this didn't happen with the, with the massage parlor, you wouldn't say, all right, this guy's out of his mind. You just want a super bowl. I did a podcast on Wednesday when Mallory and Clark and I talked about him for a minute,

how it looked like he was going. I think I used the words he's been going off the rails. Like he was at NBA All-Star weekend wearing a huge diamond pendant that said champions on it and dressed like he was like 40 years old. The guy's almost 80. He's celebrating. He was celebrating. Yeah. I i mean don't

you need a 3 and 13 year before you have to kick him out i mean if this hadn't happened i don't know well now i think now i think it's time for him to maybe maybe uh maybe hand the reins over somebody else very capable son somebody else needs to step in and do their job that's right um the whole the whole thing with the with the investigation and all this and they teased that there was going to be more names and then sal there were odds all of a sudden on names there are there were i i started looking at uh who had houses there within like three miles there's a lot of your golfers there i know you should be worried it's a big golf community there was one name i i've

asked numerous sources about one prominent name and everybody swears and declares that this gentleman is not on the list so fingers crossed well you're saying tiger because he does that on the house around he's one of the famous jupiter wrestlers i think that johnny bench olivia newtonJohn also on the list and it goes on and on. Olivia Newton-John. You never know. I think the crazy thing

with Kraft is that he's in a limo getting dropped off at like a $59 rub and tug place. Like, what is going on? It's really bizarre behavior. Why? He needs a ride.

How far do you expect him to get there? You're out of breath. You want him to ride a a bike he's a multi-billionaire right how else would you like him to get to where he needs to get to in a helicopter to land on shoot him in through the top it's not great it uh so we've had this we've had we've had some things happen but we also have won six super bowls and i think most people would take the six Super Bowls. Well, let's just say it. I mean, it's a dynasty with a happy ending.

Let's be honest. Come on. Why do people enjoy this so much with the Pats? People really hate the Pats more than anything. Yes. That's true. I think people hate Glenn Close more than the Pats. Just the Academy. It's just the academy that hates okay well to go back to my point about how craft's kind of off the rails like

the new york post said he was at the oscar parties all weekend he was out and about again what else would you like him to do he categorically denies violating the law but maybe keep a low profile for a week he's 78 what's he how long a week stay home a week a week you've got like kids and grandkids what are you doing i mean i think he knows he has carte blanche i think he knows his buddy trump will declare a national emergency and you'll pardon him if that's true he's got the pardon on lock yeah trump trump pardoning craft would not would not be a great moment as a guest would not be a great moment for the uh the patriots dynasty wouldn't wouldn't be awesome not a happy ending sal uh what are we what are we gonna bet on now what do we have uh we have two more weeks before

this uh the conference tournament start in the ncaa so that's going to be fun uh you know there's golf coming up right a lot of golf a lot of great golf coming up absolutely we got dj look great florida swing is on underway in two weeks and the players championship is three weeks away there you go so how much we're there already how much tennis have you bet in the last two weeks not a lot of tennis a lot of ufc i bet soccer i i had bournemouth i was pronouncing it incorrectly apparently i'm knocking in but yeah there's a lot have you been on this blackhawks over thing by the way cuz isn't it like 18 and one or something the first period blackhawks games over it's gone 18 and one crazy can i give you a couple tiger woods bets yeah go ahead tiger woods will

win no majors in 2019 minus 350 tiger woods will win exactly one major plus 300 you like that one house yeah you kind of like that one a tiny bit i i i want to bet what i want to root for those odds are brutal three Three to one. But Hal, think about in terms of value. How many golfers are as good as Tiger Woods right now? Like 20? 25. Yeah, 25.

Those guys, all their odds are way worse than minus 300. Exactly. So it's like a dummy Tiger tax. It's a dummy, yes. That's exactly right. Tiger tax. If you had to pull a name to win the 2019 masters at a thin air, what name would it be? Ooh,

I hadn't started my research yet. Damn it. Justin Thomas. All right. He's plus 1200. He does look angry when he, when he screws up. Even today,

it was good. Nine under. He went today. Yeah. My man, John Rahm is 16 to one. Nope. Not Rahm.

I'm a not Rahmer. Fleetwood 35 to 1 that's interesting i like your guy fleetwood since i've been the last couple times though he's let me down and fina is 33 to 1 too no you need a little revenge for breaking his leg or breaking dislocating his ankle he's still finishing the top 10 last last year after that busted ankle how about zander uh how zander he can get hot so he's 28 let's keep an eye on him let's keep an eye on that 28 to 1 if he gets above 30 i'm sure that he's above 30 in some other books zander's interesting what about the fedex cup house any any thoughts it's a little early yet still early still yeah there's a lot of golf yet to be played it's a it's a jam-packed schedule

they get all the majors in uh by july the right the rider cup odds are already up in 2020 it's a it's a jam-packed schedule they get all the majors in uh by july the right the rider cup odds are already up in 2020 it's usa is minus 140 in wisconsin we'll blow that we should bet that now no we're gonna win we're gonna win the rider cup said who lock it's a lock we win in the u.s we may never win again in europe or it's a lock that we win here here in wisconsin steve stricker the redder cup captain he won't stand for it so i do have one baseball bet i wanted to throw at you to think about real quick before you know we do a thing on sharp tank when my buddies at the general trifecta come on and they give picks at the end and it's it's pretty lean these you know it's usually an mma but

well harry my friend harry had what's Laird's first name? Martin Laird. Martin Laird to be in the top 20. Guy finished dead last. I'm like, all right, I think we might be done with all this sharp tank talk. Martin Laird has a nice track record at Riviera. It's not Harry's fault. I back him up on that.

Harry tries on your podcast. Not so much on mine. Unbelievable. We both gave out Martin Laird on that podcast so i'm not sure that's a good thing you think harry gives us a game on house's podcast i think he does he gets i like uh i'm ready the cy young odds aren't out yet but i'm ready i read a piece about trevor bauer on si that was about just what a polarizing guy he is and uh and the piece made me think that he's going to have his best season this year he could be how many wins did he have

last year he got hurt he missed like six weeks of the season but still like had like a borderline cy young case what are the odds but he's he's he's 25 to 1 for most pitching wins this year. Wow, that's pretty good. I like that. I'm proud of House. House put in about 30 bets with me for over-unders. I don't even know if there are this many teams, but House just, he might have doubled up on some teams, but he really did it.

I put in at least over 20 win total, Major League Baseball win total. There's some concern in the smart Red Sox fans about the Red Sox in general. The Pakoda? You know that advanced metrics thing? Predictive wins. It has the Red Sox for 89 wins,

but they're over or under in Vegas. It's like 94.5 or 95. 94.5, damn it. They have no closer, and they're kind of in a staring contest with Craig Kimbrell. Then it's the classic the year after the world series and who the hell knows but uh but yeah i can't believe the free agents are out there like kimbrough's still like you know he might pull a levy on bell this year and obviously it's still harper still not signed very strange machado just signed last week yeah the harper one i just thought for sure somebody

at some point was just gonna pounce on it for 30 to 1, right? It still feels like... 10 million a year or 300 for 10, whatever. It still feels like the White Sox might step in. Don't they have to do something to get people to show up? Does Bryce Harper get you to show up? Did he get you to show up in D.C. the last four years? You know what?

I will say the answer to that is yes. Really? Here's the interesting thing about Bryce Harper. His stature, his brand far exceeds and outpaces his actual on-field performance. The interesting thing about him is if you put him, who are the five biggest stars in baseball? Him, Mike Trout, clinton kershaw kershaw those five guys go into a bar who do people recognize yeah brace oh i've heard this

joke okay hold on i don't think and the irish guy had the small dick oh man that sushi's really kicking in with us. It's $200 worth. Yeah. I don't know. Supposedly, his defense slipped a little the last two years, and now you're just getting him for four at-bats, and there's no sign that he could be the anchor of a championship team.

He's going to be a Philly, and that's bad news for me. Oh, that hurts. Get him out of the business. The Mets just said all of this out. Yeah, it's all right. We have the best relief pitching in the game, except it's not going to matter. We get blown out the first six innings.

It's weird because I just assume Machado, the Padres thing, is still... Has any player ever gone to the Padres and his career thrived like and gone there like Dave Winfield started there all these other guys but I mean they're two hours away and you and I have known each other for 16 years we both like going to baseball games and eating at baseball games and we have never gone to Petco Park yeah really weird you know what the only time I was there this

is because I hate that I was there when the Yankees won game four and swept them oh yeah i don't even know what i was doing there had nothing to do that day um 96 last question did uh our agent james baby doll dixon did he love green book i don't know i don't know that he saw it why no i don't know did you get any oscar picks from him no i didn't i should have asked him did he wish anybody luck after actually there was a scene where the guy uh where uh uh bigo mortensen was littering right and he got he got yelled at for that oh yeah that was baby's favorite scene yeah that's probably that had to be his favorite scene the whole year you got should we text them about baby they're saying the oscars don't need a host

anymore jimmy's unprotected yet again he really did it unbelievable oh that's that fuck that fuck that that's not his fault fuck that fuck those people they'll be begging us next week you watch uh all right so we can watch you unlock it in this week licking your glen close wounds yeah and uh and then against all odds 4 30 to 5 30 against all odds we'll talk baseball we'll talk uh college basketball and aaf i'll tell you this aaf isn't that bad you might want to bet it nothing well actually you you're the same guy who had a five oscar parlay so maybe this is the wrong it's not terrible this orlando team on the money line that's the way to go this really is is a flashing sign that you might have a gaming problem if you're watching the af yeah it could be

official didn't wasn't christian hackenberg like starting games he was not anymore though right no they took him out he uh cat who's the other one? Couldn't hack it? Couldn't hack it. Yeah. No, he couldn't hack it. Who's the Jet guy? Why can't I remember him? Geno Smith? No, no.

The Jet, the Penn State guy that they just... I don't know. What am I thinking? Wow. This is a ringing endorsement of the AAF. Yeah, really bad. All right, South. Oh, Metzenberg, right?

There's a Hackenberg. There were a lot of Bergs. They're all at Penn State. This should be the AAF. Hackenberg's Penn. Should be the commercial for the AAF. I'm close. Sal, thanks for coming on.

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We have the tickets. All right. So we have a couple of things we want to talk about. House is here all week in LA. We're doing a, doing something really fun. We're breaking out of golf retirement tomorrow. Well,

I'm you, but I am so excited. I see you with a golf club in your hands, hitting balls. Let's, let's not, let's, let's not say that far.

That's as far as we're going to give it away, but there's going to be some golf. Um, what was your take on everything that happened the last couple weeks with the NBA? With the player movement and the comments and everybody talking about player empowerment. And some people are arguing that it's gone too far. And other people saying this is great. We've talked about this on the podcast before,

but now some other things have happened. Where are you standing right now? I think a big picture wise, again, I've talked about it a couple of times as we've sort of thought about this NBA season. It's, it's such this unique calendar season is so effing long.

It started in, in like the second week of October, and the All-Star break didn't come soon enough. I think guys are legitimately fatigued. The players are fatigued. And so I think that the explanation for Kevin Durant losing his patience, and it was a perfectly innocent question. He was surrounded by all friendly reporters, and he just lost his shit for really no discernible reason.

I think it's because they were so tired. They're just physically tired because of the length of the season. So I think, to me, that's like the context that we're operating in. And then this attempted power play with Anthony Davis and Clutch Sports and what LeBron clearly had in mind in terms of a design for the Laker team that he hoped to sort of ride into the playoffs. And now this is the interesting thing, again, with the schedule thing. It really is a sprint.

From the all-star break to the start of the playoffs it's less than 30 games and so if the lakers had pulled off the anthony davis coup that they attempted they were they'd be in great shape to go ahead and make the playoffs and really be rounding into form for a terrific playoff run god bless the new Orleans Pellet God bless Del Demps I never would have thought I'd say that out loud you know what he earned all of his money working for that franchise which by sort of design

has a dysfunction on it because it's really a football franchise that happens to have a basketball team as an amusement as an amuse-bou as an amuse side gig it's a it's a it really it's a side it's a side plate to put it in in food terms but like so with uh in in a big picture sense i don't mind players having uh uh an opinion about where they they want to go i don't like the way that Anthony Davis and his representation attempted to,

uh, maneuver this, uh, Laker situation. Well, now they just stole Draymond this weekend. Although everybody knew that was happening for the last year. What's that mean?

They stole Draymond clutch, took a Draymond green this weekend. Oh, he signed to clutch. Cause the clutch is his representation. He's, he's a pre-agent. He's not a free agent. Well, I think that's going to work out. I, he signed to Clutch because Clutch is his representation. Signed to Clutch. He's a pre-agent. He's not a free agent.

Well, I think that's going to work out. You're the body language doctor. You've been watching this Golden State team. Do you think that they're going to miss Draymond when he bids adieu? You know, I was watching

a couple pre-Durant Golden State games. Recently? Yeah, recently. Just for funsies. For funsies. Yeah. And if they can somehow pull this third title, I think there's a world, if you're a Golden State person, where you're like, we won three.

Actually, we won four because he also won in 2015. We had the 73 win thing. Team of the decade. One of the best teams ever. And now let's just ride this Steph and Clay thing. And this is the greatest backcourt of all time, potentially. And we'll just figure out what pieces to put around them. And that'll be our team. And we're good. And if Draymond wants to leave, the question for me with Draymond is, how's he going to age as a player? We're watching it. It doesn't look great. His stats just from three years ago, now you could say he had an aberration with his three-point shooting, but I just worry like the wear and tear of that, of being the undersized center all the time, lineup of death, all the playoff games that he's played.

The fact that he's never going to be like a dominant offensive player, but the guy I was thinking, and this is, they're not really alike at all, but they're a little like, just for kind of the effect they had. But like, remember when Ben Wallace, when he had that run on the, he was in the boule for a little bit and then the magic, and then he went to the Pistons, but he had like that five-year run where he was just, on the, he was in the boule for a little bit and then the magic, and then he went to the Pistons, but he had like that five-year run where he was just, you know, awesome.

And then he signed the big contract, but then it just like he faded a little, but because his game wasn't that complex, the fading of a little was actually a lot. And he just wasn't an impact guy anymore. And I just wonder like Draymond at 6'7", what is his game in two to three to four years, especially if you're paying him 25 million a year

for a guy who's averaging like nine points a game, 10 points a game, whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if they kind of looked the other way. My question is, do they want Durant to come back? Interesting. Why wouldn't they want Durant to come back? I think they would, but are they

going to be like devastated if he leaves i guess is my question no no i i they're built they're not light years ahead but they really are as long as you have clay and steph then you have a compelling story you're a top three franchise in the west for the foreseeable future but you also you have this new awesome building. You have one of the best 20 guys of all time now and staff, one of the best backcourts ever. You have a really smart organization. And do you look at this and you just go,

this is, we're not even happy this year. It's year three. What are we going to be like in year six with this nucleus? Like we can barely make it to the finish line of year three maybe this is a good chance kd leaves thanks for the titles uh draymond might be leaving a year we'll see but maybe this is a chance to kind of reset reinvent sure that makes sense to me yeah they've they've there's they'll still be the team of the the decade boogie can't come back there unless it's just for 120%

of what he makes, which he makes like 5 million bucks this year. So he's leaving. He's leaving. 100%. And then you look at the other free agents. He might be a Los Angeles Laker. Well, they could have had him last year. He was sitting there. They should have.

Who's in charge of that team? You really have to look at that where basically every move they've made... My question is, who's the team of the next five years in the West? Who's your money on? Is it still Golden State?

To me, it's going to be still. Because there is a world where Durant's, I think he's like 90% to 95% he's on the next year. I need to know how Steph Curry's legs are. That's the only thing that. He's going to be 31 next year. Yeah. So five years.

So who's the team of the next five years in the West? It's funny. I'm not going to say Denver, but we were in this position midway through the decade, right? 2013-14 range when the Spurs won their title in 14. And we knew that was kind of probably the end of that run. Duncan was playing on one leg, still doing it amazingly, but Kawhi was going to be their next guy. They were going to bring Aldridge in

in the 15-16 season. But it still felt like there was room for a new team and it turned out it was Golden State. But when Sal and I bet on them to win the title in 2015, they were 30-1 odds. People didn't see that coming. So who's the we didn't see that coming team? Maybe we the we-didn't-see-that-coming team? Maybe we're a year away from knowing.

Well, it could be the Clippers with Kawhi. Seems like he's coming. There's still some pieces the Clippers need to assemble, though. But if I look at an organization that will flip into an aggressive mode right away, the Clippers with Balmer certainly fit that bill. And LA as a destination, that doesn't have the LeBron stink on it. I have another candidate.

Okay. You're going to laugh. I don't think Sacramento's that far away. I'm not laughing. I think watching Bagley month by month, I actually think he might have a chance to be a special player. It's so funny because I still think they made a massive mistake not taking Luka.

Luka's a generational superstar. Yeah, that's true. Bagley is fucking good. He's really good. And I talked about this in the trade value last month. Like, wow, Bagley's really good. But I'm actually higher on him than I was last month when I had the jerk circle for him.

With good reason because because he's shown the capacity to sustain it. His performance is game by game. It's like week by week he's better. So the Warriors, they played a few days ago. He was a problem for them. A real genuine problem, like we can't keep this guy away from the rim kind of problem. And then you throw in the buddy Fox backcourt,

and then you look at the rest of the team where they have Barnes who they have this year, next year. They have Bogey, the closet league past Kings fans called Bogey. Okay. A couple other guys, but that's a team because they have Fox on a rookie contract. They have Heald. They don't have to pay yet.

That's a team that could do some maneuvering and maybe get one more guy. Yeah. I'm not laughing. You know who they remind me of? They remind me of the golden state warriors in that last year that mark jackson team yeah or even the first year when they like beat i think they beat denver and then they got smoked by the spurs i was on tv when they when they beat when they beat dallas when they beat dirk yeah mvp year i think the other team that has to be taken seriously is

okc as a team of the next like four years just because of what's happened with paul george but so this is the thing with with okc and we're going to have an opportunity to do a little bit of a deeper dive on them this week i'm very excited about this i'm i'm not going to say anything more about it because i don't want to tease it further but we're going to talk about oklahoma city you and i will be in each other's company i think that we are right on the brink of the end of Russell Westbrook. Wow. I just think, and, and,

and I don't, the end of him as like an impact superstar. Yes. Yeah. He, he just can't keep up this pace, but what if he's your second best guy? He,

well, so they have to, two things have to, to make it, they have to change to make him viable. He needs to go 80% of what he's going right now, and he needs to be able to shoot a three point jump shot. He can't be the historically worst three point shooter in the modern era and be, uh, make

a meaningful contribution to the team. If he can't be a super duper dynamic, athletic dervish, then he needs to be able to shoot. I can't believe you're putting me in the position of being a Russell Westbrook defender. How dare you? I think the impact that he has overall, he is one of the all-time table guys we've ever had. And I remember writing this all decade. I think I wrote in 2012 in the finals, I wrote the 90% column about how everybody has 10% of things you wish you could change about them.

And some people's 10% is more glaring than others. It was basically they conceded a call. His 10% has always been the most glaring of just about anybody. But fuck, the dude plays so hard and it really is infectious. You watch how hard OKC plays and it's coming from him and Paul George. All those other guys are trying to match what he's doing. He's averaging 11 rebounds a game this year. And I don't feel like they're trying to get him the MVP. It really just seems like this is their team now. No, I think it's the opposite. I think he is dragging Paul George into the MVP.

Yeah. Paul George legitimately deserves the last six weeks of MVP buzz. He's earned it. Russell Westbrook delivered that for him. I don't want to be on the record here as sounding like I'm anything other than a Russell Westbrook supporter. All I'm saying

about OKC is you asked for the next five years and my concern is Russell Westbrook in the next five years. That was, you put it to me and I gave my answer to that. Russell Westbrook deserves the next five years. That was, you put it to me and I gave my answer to that. I think that's Russell Westbrook deserves half of the, of the MVP award of Paul George wins it because he has elevated Paul George's play.

And Paul George is playing absolutely at an MVP level right now. I'm shocked by how good he is. And this is like, we first started talking about this six weeks ago on this podcast. And then I think like three weeks ago, I was saying that I thought he was hands down the number three choice for MVP if the season ended. I'm still not ready to put him in the heart and Giannis conversation because I think Milwaukee has a chance to get to like 64 wins potentially, something like that.

But what's shocking to me is the is yannis a forward i mean i don't even know who cares can we call him a forward what is he call call him don't just don't call him late for dinner call him whenever you want i feel like he's a call him a call him a chicken sandwich i i don't care what you call him he's delicious everything about him is fantastic you see him at the top of the key yesterday with a nice stroke he's been practicing that that his hands are so fucking big it's like it looks like he's trying to throw a golf ball into like the mailbox or something i absolutely yeah i think paul george is the best traditional forward this season i think he's passed durant and i think he's passed kawaii i want to go in the playoffs I still want KD over Paul George just because I have the history

of his resume. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, that's a good resume. But I was watching that Utah game Friday night. I really felt like Paul George was going to win the game for them in regulation OT. He's gone to some level for the fans watching where you're like,

oh, this guy knows he's one of the best players in the league now so it's the potential we always thought he had then we had to go on on hiatus for two years because he broke his leg you thought he was going to be this good though i gotta say i never ever thought he was going to be this good i don't know it's it's we the the problem is you you can't uh early in his career think about what his ceiling might look like. Cause you don't know what kind of other great players he might be playing with.

He wasn't playing with, you know, any, he never had a teammate like Russell Westbrook early in his career. That Darren Collison. I want to go on record with something though, in this MVP conversation. Yeah.

And I went, I just want to demonstrate the consistency of my logic. I am going to be very upset if James Harden wins the MVP this year. Okay. I'm going to, I'm just going to, I want to be out there

for the same reason that I excoriated the NBA voting community and declare them hoops perverts for their support of Russell Westbrook. The same thing now applies as far as I'm personally concerned with Harden. He did a terrific job of dragging his franchise back into the playoff picture. He single-handedly did the only thing that team had available to them in terms of making

them competitive this season. And I absolutely honor and respect what they did and what he personally did. But him getting 10 points inside of 75 seconds so he could keep that 30-point streak going three weeks ago. He did that twice. Yeah. How about that?

That's perverted as far as I'm concerned. That was Westbrook chasing rebounds with like 50 seconds left. I'm not down with chasing the numbers. That's perverted behavior. I think you're with me on this. The only time we support it is if somebody has a chance to score like 70 points.

That's a whole different thing. It's like you're having the game of your life and stay in the game, try to get all your points. You may never be in this spot again. When you're trying to maneuver history with these stupid streaks, the other thing is these streaks that nobody knew was a streak right or it's like oh it's his chance to only will chamberlain is it and it's like i didn't

know this was anything until you just told me not sure this is a streak that well then you know that's because we're in this era where you you know, there's a whole bunch of factors that contribute to higher scoring, the pace, the efficiency of the game on the offensive side of the ball, the way the teams have gotten smarter. These games are like, how much money would we have won betting the over in every game this season? I'd be interested. We got to call up Action Network. Get Millman on this. If you bet the over on every single NBA game this season, how much would you be up?

You would be up, I assure you. Now that dude, John Ewing from the Action Network, he's getting ready to piece about this. That's our dude. He listens to our pod. We challenge him, and then he writes the piece. I want to know. The over is up by some meaningful number this season.

I guarantee it. So Harden has a chance. Let's assume he's going to be the second choice. I think Giannis is going to win. Harden will be second. Okay. That will give Harden a first for MVP and three second place finishes. So that means in four different seasons, he's been one of the top two guys.

That's pretty good. That's awesome. It's better than pretty good. Yeah. I mean, so like Kevin Garnett, he had a first place, two second place, and a third place. David Robinson, first place, two second places, two third places. Shaq, a first place, two second places, and three third places. Well, Shaq got cheated also.

Yeah, Shaq was always treated differently. And then Durant had a first and four second places. So Harden's moving up the list. If I was doing the pyramid again, he's in the conversation now for top four or five guards of all time. We really, really, really need him. I know the playoff resume. I know. We really need him to have one standout, stellar, he's the guy, and he was the difference maker in the series. We need that out of him one time. But this is, out of all the years, this is the year. I agree with you. The Warriors are just basically- I agree just basically, they're begging anybody to steal this title from them. Let's look at the

Rockets' odds to win the Western Conference. Okay, I'll do that right now. I'm kind of interested at this stage. I'm going to look at that right now for you. That performance against Golden State Saturday night caught my attention, Bill Simmons. Kenneth Farid has found himself- He would have been on our team if we were coaching him I would have had him like two years ago oh my god him, Montrezl Harrell, all these there's a place for these dudes in the league

if you have the right kind of team with three point shooters this type of guy is going to at least be somewhat effective and it's making us kind of forget the misstep that Houston started off on this season. They really missed a reason. They really missed Mabamute. They lost an identity.

But boy, oh boy, Chris Paul is back. Chris Paul looked good, by the way, Saturday night, I thought. I don't trust it. Well, he's just got to stay healthy. So he's got to basically stay like this now for four months. No, you know what? No, not necessarily. They know with him.

So get one more dumb injury out of the way like in the next six weeks? Or just rest. Rest. Let's rest him. Let's be deliberate with him. I will say this, and then we're going to take a quick break. The complete, abject, unadulterated lack of fear from these teams that are playing the Warriors now really jumps out to me week after week. They're not afraid. They don't care about your lineup of death. They're not intimidated by Durant and Curry and Clay. And they're used to playing that style now because 90% of the league plays that way.

And they see it night after night after night. It's not like different or special anymore. It's not like the 99 Rams when they were doing what they were doing that year. And everybody's like, what the fuck is this? And they just rolled through the regular season. People just hadn't seen it in that form. And then people eventually got used to it and they figured out how to play them. And with the Warriors, it just, it's a really bad sign for them. Cause I will say this and

the Bulls three-peat, even when the Bulls were tired and Pippen missed the first two and a half months of that third season of the second three-peat, they still had the MJ fear factor. And it was still like, he was still your dad who might come down with the belt, beat the shit out of you if you made him mad. The Warriors aren't like that. Well, they've never been like that.

They weren't, but from a talent-wise, they were so overwhelming that that's what they... It would be a barrage. It would be a belt barrage. Right. It's just not the same. I agree with you. I think the Shaq-Kobe Lakers,

when you think about like 0-1, what they did in the playoffs, there was a real fear factor by the end of that. And the only team that really kind of kicked them in the mouth was that Kings team in 0-2. They were like, fuck you guys. We're as good as you. And the Lakers are like, whoa. It was like the old Mike Tyson. Everyone has a plan until they get hit. This Warriors team, nobody's afraid of them. Houston's definitely not. Oklahoma City is definitely not. And I think Denver, well, Denver might be a bad matchup for them.

Oklahoma City is actually so not afraid of them that, Denver might be a bad matchup for them. Oklahoma City is actually so not afraid of them that it actually might be a disadvantage for them. They're going to be cocky. Yeah, I really think they're going to go into that series being like, we're tougher than these dudes. We're bigger. We've had a lot of success over the years. We match up really well with them and we're going to beat these

guys. And they actually might be too confident. Are we at the 60 game mark now? We're getting there. Let's just start the playoffs next week. What's the point of jerking off? LeBron's going to miss the playoffs. Let's just go ahead and call it now. We're going to talk about the Lakers in a second. Let's take a break.

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Talk to me. Lakers next head coach odds are out. Tough times. So disrespectful. Tough times for Luke Walton are out oh so disrespectful Vegas so disrespectful Tyronn Lue is your favorite at 3-1 how can that be Luke Walton is plus 350 to come back this is the first

game of the 2019-20 season who would the Lakers coach be is that the problem who would be the Lakers head coach for game 1 of next season okay Mark Jackson 4-1 I don't think he works again Who will the Lakers coach be? Is that the prop? Who will be the Lakers head coach for game one of next season? Okay. Mark Jackson, 4-1. I don't think he works again.

J.K. 4-1. Brian Shaw, 10-1. I know you like that pick. Jay Wright, 15-1. Jawan Howard, 15-1. Then it just gets stupid, some of the ads. Doc Rivers is 25-1. You like Brian Shaw. Make the case.

I like Brian Shaw because Jalen Rose has been talking about Brian Shaw make the case I like Brian Shaw because Jalen Rose has been talking about Brian Shaw since LeBron joined the Lakers he's made the point multiple times that when LeBron comes off the court who he goes to speak with on the coaching staff is Brian Shaw

that's the old Ty Lue that's what he used to do with Ty Lue he's batting his eyelashes at the bar at Brian Shaw. Your buddy Jalen made that same point, and Jalen tends to know things. He gets these kinds of things right. I wouldn't be surprised. Now, look, when they miss the playoffs,

Luke Walton is not going to be the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers going into next season. He will lose his job as a result of that. Through no fault of his own, honestly. I'm not the first person to make this point. I'm not going to be the last. Nobody ever blames the front office. Rob Palenka should lose his job.

Can you do worse than this? Could you? Well, the answer is yes. You traded D'Angelo Russell to get rid of Mozgov's contract to create cap space to just sign a bunch of jackoffs. Well, how about this? They could have had Boogie Cousins. They could have had Brooke Lopez.

They could have had Brooke Lopez. They could have had lots of people. They were supposed to have Paul George and LeBron, and they whiffed on Paul George, whether it got blocked or whatever. It's just funny that they'll change the coach, and Rob Poikoiko probably get five years. I'm going to read you this quote. So let me take you back to 2013 house. Okay. That's a long time ago. Yeah. Finals, uh, before game four, the finals heat spurs, the Nets hire Jason kid to be their new head coach. Here's what LeBron James had to say about it. I think it's amazing, honestly. J. Kidd is unbelievable. One of the best teammates I ever played with.

On the 08 Olympic team, he was one of the best friends I would have on and off the floor. He's a student of the game. His basketball IQ is crazy. And I think it's going to make an easy transition for him to be a coach. It's a great thing for him. And then he said, you play the game and you're smarter. They can make the transition much easier. Blah, blah, blah.

Just said a bunch of nice things about Jason Kidd. So apparently they were very tight on the OA team. I did some research and there's some buzz. Last week I told people there was some buzz about James Dolan, which I stand by. On the ESPN ticker. I'm sitting on my couch Tuesday night. Bill Simmons podcast. I wasn't on that one. Son of a bitch. That was great. Yeah You know, it's funny. MSG denied it the next morning. And then people are like, well, they denied it.

It's like, of course they fucking denied it. They're going to deny it. So they're selling it. All I said was that he was courting offers and that in rich guy circles, people are putting together bids for the team. And that's a fucking fact. I stand by it.

You stand by it. I don't know what to tell you. I don't make shit up on the podcast. Take that for data. The feelers are out. He's made it clear that if somebody hits his price, he would really consider selling the Knicks. What was the price?

Two and a half? No. More? I mean, he wants five. The thing is, he did this ESPN Magazine piece where he threw the five out. That was like somebody saying- With the building?

Some girl in college that you're in love with who's like, yeah, I mean, I might break up with my boyfriend. We'll see. Like just kind of throwing it out there. I dated a girl like that. Well, let's not talk about her. I think four would do it though. But anyway-

Well, not with the building though, right? In rich guy circles, people are putting together bids. It's happening. Sure, why not? They think he wants to sell the team. So that's what I reported. I didn't say he was going to sell the team. I never used the words, James Dolan is selling the Knicks.

Just said he's courting offers for it. He's courting the idea of it. He's basically putting a big come knock my socks off and people are out there in rich guy circles and they're sniffing around and they're trying to put together like big ass bids for him

so there you go I stand by what I said I'm excited for it F-U-M-S-G I'm excited for it J-Kid speaking of oh so J-Kid is the guy yeah you're hearing things MSG. I'm excited for it. J. Kidd. Speaking of... Oh, so J. Kidd is the guy. Yeah. You're hearing things.

There are rumors out there. Nah, there's rumors. I don't feel as good about that, but there's definitely been a pretty persistent J. Kidd rumor out there. What is the best case for J. Kidd as a head coach? What's the case? I thought it was absurd because it really seemed like he ran his course with Milwaukee. That's your professional opinion. But when the J-Kid gossip started, that's what

led me to research. I was like, are these guys friends? And that's when I found they had all this history together. I don't know what they do, but I will tell you this. From day one, it seems like they've never... Luke Walton was hired before the magic plinka combo. Sure. So that's never good. When you're in charge, you, you want to have your,

yeah, your dude, your dude. That's fine. You want to have your people in place. Um, I'm not ready to have the, what's the best finals back conversation.

Cause I want to, I want to watch a couple more weeks of games. I think the Celtics are a cross off though. Wow. Just like that. You didn't like that Bulls loss last night? I think the chemistry is kind of insurmountable at this point. Wow.

Kyrie was three interviews ago. He had kind of killed it. Who told him he was in charge by the way stop talking what happened stop talking what happened he that this is the curious thing about the uh empowerment of of the players and you know them with choosing their direction on the one hand from like a basic you know uh i support the idea of um you know guys having a say say in what they do for a living, where they go work and stuff.

We all do. That proposition. The sports leagues have been historically grossly unfair in that respect forever. So in that way, there's an interesting element to it. But Kyrie walked away from lebron james walked away from another chance to go to the finals said i want to go to boston doubled down said i'm going to sign with boston and in the space of six months has it's been it's been like four okay the self-appointed like three and a half but self-appointed leader the self-appointed spokesman

for the team hey kairi there's a guy on the team who who legitimately um should and could be the leader of that team al horford yes of course who's actually an awesome teammate preceded your your arrival there and went through just a normal kind of free agency process. Didn't force his way out of a situation. And, you know, took the team pretty damn far. I wasn't concerned until the two games before the All-Star break when he didn't play. And they played like, if they didn't win the game, they were all going to be blown up in the locker room or something. Like, the urgency that they had, this FU urgency in those two games really was alarming. Well, the Sixers game was especially impressive.

This is one of the weirdest situations I've been in as a fan. They've had like nine or ten truly terrible losses this year. Fourth quarter collapses or the Bulls lost this weekend. The Bulls are intentionally trying to lose. They're trying to tank.

It's just weird. That situation is strange. Milwaukee, what Meritage gave them in the game against Celtics on Thursday night, there's a couple stretches during the game when he came in.

When you have just one more guy in the game when he came in and it just, when you have just one more guy in the rotation that's been there, it's not even about whether he plays crunch time or not, but to be able to get 20 minutes out of somebody who's just good, who's been in situations, who's made big shots, I just like their team.

It was so impressive. And Brogdon has been really, really, really impressive. I gotta say he's better than I thought he was ever gonna be. He's a guy that has been really, really, really impressive. I got to say he's better than I thought he was ever going to be. He's a guy that has been greatly enriched by the situation. I mean, the situation around him got so great all at once, and he's been up to the task. The thing that I was so impressed by with Milwaukee,

having had Meritage for all of five games maybe, if that many, they're already hunting him. The other four guys, wherever they are on the court, they're like, where's Miritich? We're going to get the ball to that dude because we're going to get him off because we know if he hits two,

he might hit 10, and that's our pathway to winning these games going away. Giannis is Shaq to me. Oh, let me hear it. Well, we always talk about who is Giannis, whatq to me oh let me hear it we always talk about who is Giannis what's his comparison who's he like there's really no answer for it but I think he's like

young Shaq if he's within 6-7 feet of the rim he's dunking you're not stopping it he's dunking with either hand he's dunking off balance I mean it it. He's dunking with either hand. He's dunking off balance. I mean, it's our boy, Kurt Goldsberry's favorite stat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Favorite stat. The All-Star game made me think of it. Watching him, it just felt like he could add 50 dunks in the game and just how he's around the room all the time. But then also in fast breaks, the fear that he causes in transition, which is reminiscent of young LeBron and just a couple of guys we've had over the years. Somebody else, I forget who was saying to me the Wilt comparisons. Oh, Noah, who works for The Ringer, was talking because he worked on Dan Clores' basketball love story.

Oh, cool. So saw a lot of Wilt footage and was saying how Giannis and Wilt, watching Wilt in the 60s just destroying these six foot eight white guys, but like how he was just around the rim so easily, just constantly that he was like that too. And I think we just have to start thinking of Giannis

like he's like a legitimate center now. That's fine. He's yeah i that's fine i'll go along with that he's overpowering like the great centers that we've had in the history of the league whether it's like young shack david robinson if he wanted to if he wanted to he could have a shooting percentage of like 65 to 73 right you know if that's what he wanted to do. Right. If he wanted to get all of his 28 points a game around the rim, he could shoot 65%. I think that team is going to be near impossible

to beat in the playoffs if they can get home court for the first three rounds. So it's them and Toronto. I mean, this is the sprint to the end. The other thing with Giannis, and this goes back to the Shaq-Wilt thing, he's so hard to officiate because of how he's always around the rim

with bodies around him, getting hit and reaching over people. And you're just getting those calls at home. And this is a guy who probably in the playoffs is going to be like 16 free throws a game at home. I do have a question for you. Speaking of Toronto, are we disrespecting Kawhi this season, not putting him in the MVP conversation? Is it disrespectful? I don't feel like it, but I do think the door is open for him to have a run.

I think the thing with MVP is you need to have the four, five, six week run where you kind of knock people's socks off, and then you jumpstart the conversation about yourself, and he really hasn't had that. Yeah, but if he carries them to the best record in the NBA, which is very much available. It is available. I mean, over these next 22 games.

It's available. I think Milwaukee's going to get it, though. It's available. I don't, I think Milwaukee is going to get it. Milwaukee is 45 and 14. The Raptors are 44 and 17. Milwaukee is 20 and 25 and five at home. Milwaukee is also 29 on the road, which I think. That's a good record. To get 30 wins on the road is, is special.

Yeah. But Milwaukee is 117 a game and they're giving up 107. They're plus 9.7 point differential, which when you get into the 10s, you're on a rarefied list. The Warriors are only at 6.8. And now they have this stretch

where they're just going to be playing a bunch of shit teams too. We have two more topics. We had talked about Zion. We had talked about craft. We have to have the real craft conversation. We do? Yeah, we do.

I'm so happy. We can't, we have to edit the South. What? We're going to edit that? That's a serious thing. Hold on. Before we talk about this, let's talk about SimpliSafe really quick. Nothing's better than going to a game with the family.

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Yes, I watched that game. I made the mistake of going on social media, much to my chagrin. Uh-oh. And it turned into an immediate referendum on whether college basketball players should get paid. Oh, well, they should. But what was the... Well, it's just like it immediately, it turns into this whole thing

because we have to have the most hysterical reactions at all times. And my reaction was just like, I was just bummed because I was so fired up for the game. I knew people that were there and they were like, it was devastating. Sure, of course. It was like, this was like Zion's birthday party

and Zion showed up and there was 200 people there and there was like a guy with a batman costume and a guy with a superman costume and there's a big bouncy castle there was the gimp wasn't there and the gimp was there it was gonna be a huge cake and people people gonna eating fire torches and and right as everybody showed up like he fell and hit his head and had to be taken to the hospital and that was the end of the birthday party that's what it was like it really was like that and and uh i feel like that got lost a little bit that it was just so devastating that this was kind of like his his basketball bar mitzvah it really was just got cruelly taken away from us i know i know we were

so i i don't know why we didn't gravitate that way and then the other thing is and this might just be a younger person thing where it's always about do what's best for you, do what's best for you. I'm old school and I'm an old fart and so are you. I still feel like there's something that matters about like the relationships you have with teammates and guys that even if they're going to be in your life

for one year, there's still, these are relationships you're going to have 50 years from now. Yeah. It's the shared experience. And people are making the case like Zion should be out of there. He should, he's proven when he's, he's gotten what he needs from Duke. He should go. And it's like, well, that all sounds great. But Zion from everything we know is an awesome competitor, loves basketball and is really, really close with these guys. And now you're asking him to just be like, hey, fuck you guys.

I'll see you later. Good luck in the tournament. Well, I don't think anybody's asking him. It would be a perfectly rational decision for him to never play college basketball again. I agree. But I also agree it would be perfectly rational for him to say, you know what? These are my dudes. I want to win a title with these guys.

People can talk about, oh, first of all, there's really no injury he could have in a college game other than like the what was it? The Baron Davis when his knee exploded. Oh, Sean Livingston? Or the Sean Livingston one.

You have to have an injury like that to really knock him away. No, but I'm saying the odds are infinitesimal. No, and you imagine even preceding this injury, he has some kind of sizable insurance policy in place. You hope. You have to figure somewhere over the course of this season you know his his uh the folks surrounding him and it seems like he has a pretty great support network recognize what you know his potential and there's some kind of

insurance uh policy in place to offset any kind of catastrophic thing god forbid uh that might occur i will tell you as a kid at that age and i'm like you i just would want to play ball with my friends yeah i just want to ball with my buddies is my point like college is the very best most fun if i could go to college tomorrow and know that i had three or four more years of it, I would go in a heartbeat. I'd figure out a way for my wife and my kid to be somewhere on campus. But God bless, I want to go back to college and be with my friends because it's the most fun thing. This is the funniest thing in this argument to me. He's been playing basketball his whole life.

He's been in games constantly. He's had all kinds of teammates. He's probably been playing AAU since he was like 11. So you're like, he shouldn't play anymore. He should just be working on getting ready for the draft. I have a newsflash for you. He's still going to be playing in basketball games. There'll be pickup games.

Well, that's different. You can still get hurt in those. Yes, but the risk proposition is different. Why? Because it's a whole different- You're still playing basketball. You're still landing on feet and ankles. You know this you know this no i don't it's a difference between well look it's a difference that i'm going to put it in terms that are relatable for you and i it's a difference between

playing three on three in the field house and going up and playing our intramural games against the football team there's a different level of intensity there's a different level there's a different skill set like it's a whole different of intensity. There's a different level. There's a different skill set. Like it's a whole different thing playing North Carolina on national television when Barack Obama is sitting in the second row, mother effer. It's a different thing.

Sure, it's a different risk proposition. It's still basketball, and I still think he's playing, from what we've seen of this dude, I don't think he has gears. I think if he's playing intramurals in the freaking Duke field house, he's playing full speed.

He's not like, oh, here's my half speed game. We're playing to 11 and Zion gets 11 in four minutes. Zion's trying. Zion's trying in any game he's in. So basically what you're telling me, if you're telling me that he shouldn't play basketball for Duke anymore, is that he shouldn't do anything

until he gets drafted that may be fine just work out I don't think the dude's wired that way I think he loves basketball he's going to be playing basketball regardless both are right both are the right answer as long as he has insurance in place meaningful insurance both things

can be the right answer if he's 90% healthy don't play if he's 92 healthy don't play i agree with that but if he's healthy a week from now and the doctor's like your knee's 100 healthy and he has five different opinions and all that well i can play anyway who cares about the opinions it's his confidence if he's if he's playing if he's practicing with his dudes and he's like oh i feel I feel good, then go play. Play if you want to play. If you want to play, play. And by the way, here's the thing that I think is compelling. The nation's attention turns to college basketball in two weeks.

Right now. And everybody will be watching. And it's just a great moment. It's an unparalleled marketing opportunity if you want to think about his brand and everything else absolutely and the other thing is this is and then i'll let this go i do think there's there's some worthwhile benefits to playing in big stages and testing yourself in the biggest possible games against defenses just like if you're talking about little stepping stones your career like l Luka Doncic last year.

I'm so glad you used him as an example. Played 90 games in Europe. That's right. Went through the tournament. Won a tournament. Playing against men, by the way.

Yeah. Playing against dudes who could undercut him or whatever. And at some point, he could have been in a situation where it would have been like,

oh, I'm going to be a top five pick in the NBA. I'm just, hey guys, I'm done. I'm going to leave. Guess what? The thing we love about that dude is he's competitive. He's like, I, I'm going to be a top five pick in the NBA. I'm just, hey, guys, I'm done. I'm going to leave. Like, guess what? The thing we love about that dude is he's competitive. He's like, I want to win a title.

So anyway, I just think like it's really weird that the way people talk about sports now that it's a totally logical situation that Zion should just like quit on his friends. Well, I don't treat it as quitting on his friends. He got injured. He got hurt. That's not quitting. If he comes back or if he's a hundred percent healthy and he could come back in a week and they're like, there's no risk. Your knee's stable.

You can come back in a week. And he's just like, I'm out. I've already proven what I've needed to prove. I don't think he's wired that way. And I don't think he's going to do that. He may not be, but that would be fine with me if that's what he chose to do i wouldn't have any problem with that but you see the other side of course i do i just articulated it i agree with you i would want to play but people are making it to play people are making it seem like he'd be fucking crazy to play and that's what i don't get it's like everybody's decision if he

wants to play with his friends then he should do that it would only be crazy if he didn't have sufficient insurance in place he should have a 50 million dollar insurance policy without you know without hesitation or reservation i hope it's that big now this would be great if he said i'm gonna play again but i'm not wearing those fucking nikes again i'm signing with adidas when i'm in caught when i'm in the pros well i'm gonna be wearing adidas in this game coach again so you can eat so does this mean i can't play i'm not wearing those again i said my they exploded on my foot and i almost broke i almost broke my knee well this is the thing right who's more incented and i'll give shots i gotta give my boy jacoby some props on this who's more incented to give him a big, gigantic, unprecedented shoe deal than Nike.

The price of his shoe deal went from $100 million to $300 million because he needs to show up on whatever team he plays his first professional game with wearing Nike. And here's the other thing. And then this is my last point. Because I'm just really tired of hearing

dumb, lazy analysis from people. He's not getting the $300 million naked contract if he doesn't play this year in college. I think college sports is reprehensible. I think it's fucking stupid. I think it's crazy that somebody could go to school for seven months and then leave in March and then say that they went to Duke. It's ridiculous. He's going to be there for a

semester and a half. He's using them for basketball. He's using the spotlight that they have. And he's parlaying that into an awesome, awesome, awesome financial windfall that's coming to him when he signs probably the biggest shoe contract anyone's ever signed coming out of college. None of this happens if he doesn't go to college. So when people do this, oh my God, what do these guys get that don't even get paid? It's like, he's actually going to get like a $300 million contract out of this. So you can use the example for 90% of the college dudes,

but at least for him, I would say going to Duke was a really smart business decision and he's getting everything you would ever want out of it, even if he's not getting paid this year. Yeah. With that said, I hate college.

I mean, he's a, he's a generational talent, so it's tough to, to, to, to, you know,

derive any kind of making it seem like he's, you know, eating spam. What's that mean? And drinking toilet water because he's so poor. And it's like, the dude's going to be fine. Don't worry.

Don't worry. Zion's going to have fine. Don't worry. Don't worry. Zion's going to have a huge house next year. It doesn't change the underlying exploitive nature. Five generations of his family are going to be set. I will say basketball is different in that respect where it's not like the grossly unfair football system where that kid from Clemson should be the number one draft pick. Football is a whole other argument. That's a fucking disaster. It's reprehensible.

It's fucking immoral. They don't play in the bowl games. I fully support that. I swear to God, I would love for all 20 of the best guys on a team. It's like, the bowl game? What's that for? What's the point of this?

Take your bowl game and stick it right up your a-hole. Exactly. The basketball though, these dudes, here's the thing. They're playing constantly 52 weeks a year since they're like age 12 and they're going to keep playing whether they're playing for Duke or whatever. Now you could argue, yeah, North Carolina is bigger. Maybe there's a slight chance of injury, but I would say there's more of a chance of injury playing in these dumb, stupid intramural games that he'd probably play in a Duke where he's going against like the left guard of the football team.

It's ridiculous. But the basketball does have kind of an eight, eight month window of great television exposure for like 15 programs. So if you're a guy with pro ambition that wants that, it's pretty unparalleled exposure. Like, think about all the skepticism that Luka Doncic faced coming into the league. And the funny meme that the smart basketball folks were using was,

well, I never saw him against Missouri in February. I never saw Luka matched up against this college team. It was so stupid. Prove it to me. You know, that was funny. What he did was more impressive than any of this college team. So stupid. Prove it to me. That was funny. What he did was more impressive than any of this college stuff. For sure.

But we didn't know. All we knew of his game was what YouTube offered up to us. This is the thing that differentiates. I beg to differ. I watched some NBA TV, Luca. Well, sure, sure. But what I'm saying, though,

is it's not Big Monday. It's not Super Tuesday. It's not the Saturday night primetime. It's not the ACC Big Ten matchup. It's not like your tried and true television vehicle where all those opportunities. Are we sure these college basketball games are that grueling? They're 40 minutes and there's 40 fucking timeouts. They play for three and a half minutes and they stop.

Not to mention. God. It's the most broken system I've ever seen in my life. The fouls are still the worst. The referees are so bad in college basketball. It's just unwatchable. There's a million fouls and it stops every four minutes. It's just unwatchable. Oh my God, I'm having fun. Oh, timeout.

Or foul. The Luka thing, I thought it was funny when he said, just come to Europe over playing in college. That was terrific. By the way, he's right. How about this?

You want to make money right away? Go to fucking Europe. Don't go to Duke. Some enterprising cable operator is going to put that league on television, on American, you know,

it's going to be available on a platform that's like more widely known at a reasonable price. It should be called the G League. Well, look. It's insane to me that the NBA owners who have made so much money on their values of their teams have not figured out that all they have to do is put 20 million a person into the G league and really make a real official, this is awesome. Let's get kids right out of high school. And now instead of Zion being on Duke, he's on freaking El Paso or whatever, but he's there for a year and he belongs to a team or whatever. I just think that's a smart business decision.

Everybody needs content. As we saw by Sal mentioning, have you seen the AAF? Seriously. People want content. It would be fun to bet on the G League. I would bet on the G League. Bob Kraft, really quick.

Okay. How much of that Cousin Sal conversation are we going to keep? We're doing it over again. Oh, no. Yeah. We're doing it over again. Oh no. Yeah. We do it over again.

The whole thing? Yeah. There's a couple moments we can keep. What do you think Kyle? Kyle we can

keep. Just let me slice it up but we can keep both. That'd be cool. Yeah we can keep both. We give folks

something to compare it to. Kyle's going to slice it up. Fine. Fine. He's a 70 year old man

who's lost his way. This is the point you made in the conversation with Sam? Yeah, I just want to... The man's lost his way. I've been watching The Sopranos, and I just finished it. I banged out 86 seasons. I like this. I like where you're going.

I don't feel like this is an Uncle Junior situation. You do or don't? I don't. Oh. Why not? I don't. Oh. Why not? I do think part of The Sopranos is about, especially when you're binge watching it, and it is an incredible binge watch. I highly recommend not only binge watching it, but reading Sepinwall's book as a little

guide as you go. He's got these little four-page chapters about each episode and you watch it. And then it's almost like the cliff notes for stuff you either kind of half thought about or fully thought about or whatever. But a lot of the Sopranos is about mortality and like, what's the purpose of things? And you put all your time into doing this for 30 years and then you look around and you either get whacked or you get thrown in jail or you get cancer or this person turns on you. Or in Tony's case, you're doing everything for your family and then you end up with Fredo as your son. And you just can't figure out one possible good thing to pull out of this kid's life.

And it's like, well, why did i do all this for and then every person i have around me has been either whacked or has gone crazy or has stabbed him in the back my point is it's just the craft thing and the sopranos the mortality of it i think there was some some mutual symbolism in that well i, I think you're- You're hitting your late 70s and you're just like, you're looking at the finish line and some people just go off the rails. And I think he's gone off the rails a little bit.

You dismissed the Junior comparison, but I think it was too quick. Well, Junior had like dementia and all that stuff. But underneath of that and early in the development of the show, the tension there is at what point is it time for the leader to, you know, to,

to really be properly retired. You know what I mean? Right. Like he, he, he goes from titular leader. He gets to show up and shake hands and still be the face of the franchise in a way to be like okay you have to

now recede so look these are allegations who knows they might get dropped it might be who the hell knows this is why we have a criminal system but um i think what's worrisome about it is that it wasn't shocking because it was eyebrow raising it was eyebrow raising but it wasn't like oh my god i can't believe this because this is somebody that had been acting kind of erratically and and uh it's just a bummer this is somebody that has been in the life of patriots fans for yeah it's a bummer you know 25 years and saved the team and has been a good owner for the most part and it's just weird to have this person who's like 793 terrific jokes the last three days it's been pretty great for me

and i see it i could see it all of it um but yeah i hope uh i hope regardless i hope i hope that this is kind of a a to Jesus moment for everybody involved. Where like maybe we need to rethink some things. Sure. Sure. Great life he's led. 78 years. Terrific.

What do you want to happen, Kyle? I want it to go away. There you go. I want to keep it. All right, House. You have House of Carbs. Yeah, this week we're going to do... We have food news.

We have Danny Chow coming on talking about the best thing he ate this week. I'm going to have a couple unbelievable meals. I'm here in Los Angeles, California with you, so I'll have a couple things to talk about. Special guest host for that episode, our own beloved Adam Rappaport is also here in Los Angeles.

He's going to sit in with us and be our special guest host for the food news and the best thing i ate this week next week another edition of fairway rolling we're going to be talking about bay hill in the run-up to the uh players championship down in jacksonville which i feel like there's not a lot of not a lot of momentum yet for the golf season, but it's about to happen. It's really gotten rolling. I mean, it really starts with the event here in Los Angeles at Riviera. That's really the official where all the guys come out,

and then they had this event in Mexico that just concluded where it's 75 of the best players in the world. And the leaderboard's spectacular, like all these great European players. It's all your old friends all coming together it starts to feel like there could be a major just around the corner and by golly we're six weeks out from the masters a tradition unlike any other it's calling me again house yeah it's

calling kyle wobble house is calling okay the navigation navigation system in Kyle's car is calling him. Kyle. Hello, Kyle. Alright, House. Thanks for coming on. I'm glad we caught up on a whole bunch of things. We covered a lot of territory. We have, Rosillo and I are coming. We have a pod on Tuesday. The Rewatchables is going to be Wednesday

this week. We're doing Reality Bytes and then one more podcast for me on Thursday. And then I'm going to be in Boston end of the week interviewing Adam Silver at the Sloan Conference. And we're going to talk about a lot of this stuff, actually. Player empowerment. Why don't they have a supersized G League? I'm going to be asking him a lot of these questions. And we'll see how he answers them.

He'll filibuster me a little bit. I know his he's a professional i've interviewed him before just get the schedule tightened up a little too a little bit this is taking too this season's too long can't be mid october to july well the ratings are down which i'm not sure what that means because it feels like the interest is as high as it's ever been in the league. But the ratings are down. The ratings are down like 10%. It would be good playoffs. So maybe they do need less games. All right.

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