The Bill Simmons Podcast - Best Super Bowl Props, Plus Sal-a-Palooza 2021 With Cousin Sal and Surprise Guests

Episode Date: February 1, 2021

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal and an assortment of surprise guests to discuss Super Bowl prop bets, tell stories, and celebrate Sal’s new book. 'You Can't Lose Them All: Tales of a Degenerate Gambler and His Ridiculous Friends' by Sal Iacono Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Superbowl props, and a lot more. Sal doesn't even know who's coming on this podcast, but it's a fun one. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. all right cousin sal is here we're going to be joined by a bunch of special guests today including our first one joe house i don't know how we booked him we're going to be joined by a bunch of special guests today, including our first one, Joe House. I don't know how we booked him. We're going to do Super Bowl props. More importantly, we're doing a very special Salapalooza podcast today. His book's been out for five days.

You can't lose them all. We have a plea for the listeners. We want to make the New York Times bestseller list with this book. Help us out. Sal, how many years of free podcasts have we given the listeners? 14 years? Oh, no, no. many years of free podcasts have we given the listeners? Oh, no. 14 years. Oh, no, no. 14 years of free podcasts.

Bill, don't do it like that. All you're asking is for them to buy a book on Amazon that they're going to enjoy. They like listening to it anyway. Come on, listeners. People have done enough. They downloaded. They subscribed. They've done everything we've asked of them.

And now you want them to pay for this book. Well, I think they would enjoy it. It'd be funny if two days left. The New York Times bestseller, it goes Tuesday to Monday, basically. So today or tomorrow will be the last two days trying to get Sal in the top list.

And if you love the podcast, if you love Sal, if you have the means, and if you want to read a nice, crisp book, House, you're in this book. There's a whole House Seats 3 chapter. You're all over it, House.

I bought 10 copies and that's going to be my Christmas present. I'm going copies and that's going to be my Christmas present. I'm going to sign the third chapter and give that out as my Christmas gift this year. By the way, isn't the book already number one under the sports gambling category on the New York times list? It's number one in sports gambling. It's number one in addiction and recovery, which was never, never, ever the goal of this. If you've recovered from any kind of addiction after reading this, that's on you. That has nothing to do with me. Fair point. All right.

Speaking of gambling and addiction, Superbowl props. Yeah. We've had a lot of time to look at these. We have more props than ever. It seems like we're going to use the ones on FanDuel. We might go off the reservation a couple of times because there's some weird ones on some weird websites, but for the most part, we do FanDuel. And we're at the point of this two-week process. By the way, a quick round table on this. We like the two weeks between the championship games and the Superbowl, right? I'm pro. What do you think, House? Absolutely pro. The only observation I'll make is as it relates to this props market and the way in 2021 gamblers are behaving. The props started dropping midweek last week.

And Thursday is traditionally props day. A lot of these props have changed between Thursday props day. And today we're recording this Sunday night. Already a bunch of them have moved against us in terms of yardage totals and odds and all the crest the rest of it we might have to start doing this pod like the Wednesday after um the conference championships or something right you're right there is more action never south you're the master of you love the prop that basically zags against anything America would want yeah yeah something that would make people unhappy.

For sure. What is it this year for you? Well, first with the two-week thing, I'm pro. I am pro the two-week gap. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. Also, I'm pro Pro Bowl, too. I missed it a little today. Now, they've screwed with that.

They've put it a week after the Super Bowl. We've experienced that. I think they tore down the stadium in Hawaii. That doesn't even exist anymore. Obviously obviously no game this year because of covid but i definitely did i did miss it it was like the senior bowl yesterday i couldn't get into it fatrick reed today house i don't think you had him right i i had i had the t2s i had zander and tony finow so i need something now i need football i had finow to top 10 that was a winner you can bet him to win,

but you can bet him to top five. You know, one thing I thought Sal did with his book that was really smart was he left some chapters on the table for the sequel book. And one of those was a chapter about how do you really know if you might have a gambling problem? And I think rule number one is the pro bowl. Oh,

you think so? Sal didn't just bet the pro bowl. Oh, you think so? Sal didn't just bet the pro bowl. You were betting props. You bet you're betting the over under total. You would have six pro bowl bets going a game that the players playing in didn't care about. And you're ranging on them. You know what? I noticed that. And I mean, I don't know why this is a surprise, but I really can't watch too much. You can watch basketball. You can watch any game. You can watch Charlotte. You look for players and stuff.

I feel like I can't watch too much of any sport without having money on it. I really can't. I want to talk to David Chang about it, but it's like he invented a new spice. And yeah, I love hot dogs, but I can't eat anything without this new spice I put on things. It really, it's ruined me. It's ruined me for good. And, um, you know, the pro bowl is no different. Yeah. House what's, what's the darkest gambling thing for you?

It's, it's all the weird golf shit, right? Like you're doing, you're doing head to head matchups for these weird tournaments. That's about as low as you sink, right? No, no, it's, um no. The golf stuff is very vanilla. I mean, I don't think it's that crazy to be on a Wednesday looking up, you know, guys that are ranked in the 50 to 100 range in the official world golf rankings and see who's going to play better. What's worse is what we do, which is on Sunday looking at the NFL slate

and coming up with five-way parlays and just giving money away. That's way worse. Just giving it away. Just throwing it in the garbage bin. Very fair. Before we get to the Super Bowl props, just quickly, there's a big, big golf Stafford trade,

which I actually got tipped off on before it happened. Oh, thanks for that. That it was in the works. It's not like you can't bet that or anything. It's not like we could have profited off that. Well, the Rams are 18-1. 18-1, now they're 10-1. The reason I didn't really care,

I'm not sure it changes my mind on whether the Rams are a Super Bowl team. Basically, they gave up a couple firsts for Stafford. One was the price to basically give them Goff, and then the other one was the price for Stafford. And there was more in the trade, but I don't know. I, I, I, I watch football every Sunday. I, from what I saw from Stafford, I'm not sure he's going to be a top 10 QB on a contender. Like he's definitely better than golf, but Sal, what'd you think of that trade on the face of it?

I'm pretty sure the lions aren't going to be a Super Bowl contender. That's for sure. In fact, I don't know. If you put odds on it, I don't know that Goff takes a snap ever for that. They got the draft picks. That's what they wanted. And like you said, that extra draft pick was so that they could pay Goff's salary. Everyone's like, oh, Deshaun Watson, if the

Lions got this much for Goff. No, that doesn't work like that. Yeah, it was more like the Osweiler trade. Remember when the Browns traded for Osweiler and got a pick two for a second runner. But I looked at it and you and I and house and we've played fantasy forever. And we know Matthew Stafford is a great fourth quarter, uh, quarterback when stats wise, right? Like, you know, I, I, he'll be down three touchdowns. And I'm like, is this, this just in my head or is this a real thing? And it's like, no, it's a real thing. He's like top three in the league over the last four years and fourth quarter yards and has a record like eight games under 500 or nine games under in that time. So does that mean,

you know, he's a garbage time quarterback? Yes, maybe, but he's probably going to do well in this McVay offense. It's going to be hard for him not to succeed I think would you think house yeah I think it's it's uh McVay has been um chomping at the bit to start getting vertical he he imagines a a vertical passing game and that is Matthew Stafford's strength. Now it could be like what just Sal just said. It looks like a strength to us because he's just throwing the ball down the field in the fourth quarter repeatedly and defenses are in whatever schemes they are in that are permitting Detroit to move the ball that way. So maybe it's a little bit of a false conviction with, with Stafford, but I think this analytics support him being really accurate,

throwing the ball down the field. The Rams have receivers that can get open going down the field. Yes. And you know, I think McVay's ready to step on the pedal a little bit. Yeah. I think I would like it more if Stafford was 30 instead of 33. He was trying to think of like Carson Palmer is a good example, right?

Of somebody who we'd kind of given up on as an elite quarterback. And then he went to Arizona and he had that kind of rekindled his career and they'd be green Bay in the playoff game, all that stuff. For the most part though, I just felt like he was in that class with like maybe Phil rivers a year ago. Um, is he better than David Carr? I guess maybe like slightly but is he an impact qb that i'm terrified of i'm terrified to bet against like not really i think my vague

is more thinking like mcveigh just completely quit on goff yeah definitely better than david carr i think he's also better than derrick carr derrick and oh derrick i called david oh man simmons met his pony he's done that uh 73 times i'll never get that one right Derek Carr. I called David. Oh, man. I met Derek Carr. Simmons met his pony. He's done that 73 times. I'll never get that one right. Yeah, I think with McVay, it was clear he gave up on Goff when the game where he started at Walford

and Aikman laid out that whole thing about, well, you know, I think McVay was really disappointed. It was clearly coming from McVay. So at that point, you're like, oh, McVay's done with this guy. The reason I bring it up is it swung the Rams odds to the third best odds for next year's Super Bowl. They were 10-1.

I thought that was a little extreme. They already don't have a first-round pick for this draft. Now they're going to lose their next two. That's a whole different discussion. But I think it's going to be hard for them to improve the team they have. It's basically last year's team with Stafford and then some cosmetics. Yeah. Can makers a little bit.

Let me just say this. If Matthew Stafford's wife had a problem wearing a mask in Detroit. Oh, she is in trouble coming here. Yeah. House. They run these, they run these ads for the chargers. Um, the, these local ads, have you seen it?

Sal, we're about the stadium trying to get people to buy season tickets. Not yet. No, I haven't seen it. And it's like all these soundbites of Al Michaels being like, this is the best stadium I've been in all this stuff. And it's like chargers football.

Get it now. And I was thinking like, I was like with the Rams, it's not like they needed Stafford to kick the chargers to the curb. Uh, all right. Superbowl props. Um, Sal, what's not like they needed Stafford to kick the Chargers to the curb. All right. Super Bowl props. Sal, what's your favorite one right now, a week before the game?

Favorite one? What's the one you're the most excited about? Yeah, your single favorite one. Okay, let me look. I'll tell you what. I got a good one here. Will and Fandles getting frisky. I like this.

Will any kick hit an upright, not a crossbar, but an upright plus four 50. You got suck up who missed four extra points in the last seven games. You got Butker missed a field goal, missed an extra point in the playoffs. You can watch this with your eyes closed Simmons and house and just like listen for the doing and you'll get it. Plus how many uprights did were hit or in the playoffs? At least four, right? There were probably three or four, right? Yeah.

Well, Justin Tucker hit two. Yeah, that's right. There were a couple other ones. One went through. Another one bounced back. But yeah, it does feel like that's something that's happened. I was looking at the missed field goal stuff too. Wasn't it like, what was the odds that just anybody was going to miss a field goal?

It was plus 260, I think. Let me see. I marked that one down because of the Bucker field goal thing. And then Suckup, who actually was doing pretty well lately. Yeah, no, missed field goal in the game is plus 125 that it happens. And then Bucker to miss one is plus 260. And Suckup to miss one is plus 250. So you like the kickers. What's your single favorite prop? I like the, the, uh, quarterback scoring touchdowns. I like my homes and Brady, both the score. I'm going to bet

on both of them to score touchdowns. I saw my home was available at plus three 33 and Brady at plus four 50. Um, and I just, you just, you know, this is really a very square bet based on what I want to see, what my mind's eye imagines out of those guys. I honestly think both of them are worth a tiny taste. I don't have the odds in front of me for first touchdown. Like the Brady falling over the goal line on the first drive of the game for Tampa.

That just, you know, we've seen it. It feels like 500 times. So I'll look up the Brady first touchdown, but at any time touchdown at plus 450, that just feels like value. I just see him falling over the goal line at least once. And my home's, you know, taking and running it into the end zone from like the six yard line. That one too.

I just like both of those, uh, again, very square, but I'm into it. Well, while we're at it and on that, and you must like this then, House, Brady, over a half a yard rushing. Simmons, you like that, right? That's a quarterback sneak on third and fourth and one. It feels like every big game he's ever played in, there's been a fourth and one. Half a yard? Come on.

So how does Saks count against that? No, the Saks don't, but the dumb kneel downs at the end of the game. That's the worst. Mahomes killed everybody last year with that. So, House, you think both guys, both quarterbacks, physically bring the ball into the end zone? I'm going to bet on it because I like the odds.

I'm not saying that it's going to happen. It's not a prediction. It's just I like the odds of it, and it fits my square mind's eye of what's going to happen in It's not a prediction. It's just I like the odds of it, and it fits my square mind's eye of what's going to happen in the game. All right, here's... I have two favorites so far that are pretty simple,

and they're close to even odds. One is, will there be a two-point conversion attempt? Yes is plus 105. An attempt? Just an attempt? Not successful? Just an attempt?

Every playoff game seems to have a two point. And maybe that's not exactly what the stat is, but I just feel like in my mind, I'm surprised when there's not a two point. I like that one, but this one I like more. Will both teams have the lead in the first half? Yes is plus 115. The Chiefs, notorious.

How many times have we joked about Sal sending us the Chiefs money line when they're down 10, they're down 3, they're down 7? They love to start slow. Now they're going to have this makeshift offensive line. It just feels like, could both teams have a 3-point lead in the first half? Yes, plus 115. I like that one. What do you think of that? Yeah, that's pretty good.

Yeah, they were down 9-0 last week. They took a 14-9 lead in like 10 minutes of time. Or 21-9. They went up in 10 minutes. That's a pretty damn good one. I have one that's similar that you might like. Now, this seems crazy, though. Tie at half and the Chiefs win is 17-1.

Tie at half and the Bucs win 17 to one tie at half. And the bucks win is 20 to one bet. Both of those last year was 10, 10 Kansas city, San Francisco at half Rams. Patriots was three. Nothing. All these games are pretty close and low scoring in the first half. I think the pats were 10,

nine against the giants. We're going back a little now, but there's always a bunch of games that are low scoring close. 10, seven, 10, nine, 10,

10. I like, those are crazy odds for that. Just root for a tie in the first half and you win the bet. That's also a classic Sal bet. You're rooting against something. That's not fun. Just for the first half. Two teams to have the same score. Let's do it. How's who's more likely to throw an interception in your mind in this game? The first interception out of these two QBs. Tom Brady, without a doubt. I mean, we just watched him throw a three in the second half against the Packers.

That's minus 155. I thought that was going to be minus 200 or higher. Right? Brady to throw an interception first? The first interception. Right. Before Mahomes. Right? Mm. Brady to throw an interception first. The first interception. Right. Before Mahomes. Right.

So he had zero in the first two games, and then he had three last game. And Mahomes should have had a couple. But yeah, that's such a tough one. He had two against the Chiefs where they played in week 12. Right. Right. You just, how many times did Brady go,

oh, that should have been a pick six and then he like completes his next four the guy dropped it yeah what else say any other ones you love sal um yeah i like either team to score on the opening drive no plus 115 for the last five this goes to my whole low scoring thing for the last five um went, went, uh, the, the, neither team scored a touchdown on the opening drive. The Pats gave one up to Atlanta. Otherwise five years, it would have cashed. Uh,

I love that. You know, wait, hold on, hold that thought. Cause on top of what you just said, cause I agree. That's a good one.

There's gonna be a weird energy at this game. How many people are going to be at this game? What did they say? The actual 22, 85,000. No, it's like 22 people are going to come No. It's like $22,000. People are going to come out and it's like the Super Bowl

and it's going to be like this muted kind of energy. Plus, the Super Bowl always starts weird anyway. Guys are always hyped up and it's always choppy for, what, a half hour? So, you might be on to something with that. I want to jump on. I love that offering that Sal just described with the tie and then each team wins. Those odds are fantastic. The follow on that I like to that is more points scored in the second half slash overtime. And you can get near even odds at minus one and a half. You only have to pay 110 really so you know the second half over overtime version of this the second half has has um been the higher scoring side in 17 of the past 22 super bowls so it's always the second half when they get revved up and especially lately so let's let's get this going

one that uh jumped out at me and the only reason i don't love it and i just like it is the eric fisher injury and the chief's offensive line is the one variable of this game i haven't solved in my head yet but what will happen first for kansas city score points minus 120 punt minus 105 i i gotta be honest i don't even know the chief's punter's name. It's Tommy something. We've seen him three times in the last six weeks. Tommy Townsend, right? Tommy Townsend. That's who it is. I just feel like Tommy doesn't show up that often.

And I don't expect to see him in the first quarter. If we see him, it'll be because they went for it on fourth down, didn't get it, something like that. But the offensive line thing threw me off. But let's find the total punts prop. Both Arians and Andy Reid, those guys are going to go for it every given opportunity. What do you think it is, House? I got it right here.

What do you think? Five? Six and a half. Oh, you'll go way under. You get a free one in there then. I like the under. Yeah. If you were going to bet on Super Bowl MVP not being Mahomes

and it being Tyreek Hill or Travis Kelsey, Hill is 14-1, Travis Kelsey is 15-1, which of those two would you pick, Sal? That's such a tough one. I mean, I'm partial to Kelsey only because he seems to go over his reception allotment like in the second quarter. What was it? Last week it was seven and a half. It was crazy. He had it by the second quarter, like six minutes left or something. He ended up with 13. Um, but you know, Hill could

break one. I don't think I got to say, I, so Brady's two to one, my homes is minus one Oh five. You're getting 60 cents on each guy versus what you would get on the money line. If you took their respective teams. I don't think it's an offensive player unless it's a quarterback. I mean, of course, it could be Kelsey or Hill, but I'd rather go with a defensive guy like JPP at 101 or Shaq Barrett at 50 or Chris Jones at 101. So, sure, it's nice. Kelsey and Hill, you break away from the two quarterbacks, but I just don't see it happening. Can we talk it out for a second?

Let's do it. What did Kelsey's stats have to look like for him to win the MVP house? The exact same game he just – Yes, the game he just had last week. 11 for 170 and two touchdowns? At least two. Maybe three. Does he need to get three touchdowns?

I think so. For MVP. I think he does, too. I think Mahomes wins MVP of last game, of the game against the Bills. I don't know who he won it against. Take that Tampa Green Bay game. I don't know. Does Brady get the MVP with three interceptions?

That may be a different story. Yeah, you might be right. So I guess the roadmap. Mike Patton won MVP of that game. That's true. The roadmap for Hill would be two long touchdowns. Yeah. Mike Pettin won that. Mike Pettin won MVP of that game. That's true. The roadmap for Hill would be two long touchdowns that only he could score. Yards after catch ones.

Maybe an end around two or something. Like a 62-yard touchdown run, but then he also goes seven for 130, and he has a 58-yard touchdown. It's like the Tyree kill game. I do think it is conceivable one of those guys could win. So, Sal, your favorite, you like for the odds, you like JPP, you like a defensive guy.

Yeah, I think some defensive guy who could get lucky on a tip pass or something and add two or three sacks. And it would have to be a game like it was Rams-Patriots, right, where just no one scored and it was inexplicable why we didn't see any points by half and really by the end of the game. But otherwise I think that one of the quarterbacks gets it. It's four to seven. They've been a little more

dodgy with it. Only four of the last seven Super Bowls have gone to a quarterback. Years past, it was almost always a quarterback. How's who would you bet if you could make one MVP bet? It would be Kelsey also. I mean, non-quarterback, right? That's what you're asking me?

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. To pick up on the question that you kind of posed, which is you're trying to still sort out what Eric Fisher's injury is going to portend, the game script that I'm imagining for Kansas City, and this is just my thesis a week out is something akin to the kind of offense that Kansas city was running at the beginning of the

season, which is like a ball control offense, a lot of short passes and, and, you know, um, letting Kelsey and Tyree kill, try and make plays out of nothing, uh, uh, you know, passes to, to the running backs out of the backfield kind of stuff, which means to me translates to a lot of attempts for my homes, a lot of completions for my homes. But, you know, Kelsey is the safety valve in that kind of construct. And so I like all the overs for Kelsey and all the overs for Tyreek Hill. All right.

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And still get groceries. Shop now at pcexpress.ca. All right. We have a special guest joining in one second, but Sal right now is going to do the Gary Russell Memorial Super Bowl prop. The story of this goes back to the late 2000s. Sal picks an obscure player, gets very excited about it, does a bet on them, has a whole chapter in his book, which you should go by, explaining how this led to a marriage one year. There's all kinds of backstories. We've not heard from the couple since. So I got to assume they split. But we have a better percentage of uniting men and women than the Bachelor franchise does, I think. We got somewhat married. That's true. I think the odds of us uniting a couple versus The Bachelor are so designed to unite couples.

Somehow we're in the running against them. I think they probably had five marriages and we have one. So I think, what did we say the best one ever was? Henry Arnosky? Henry Arnosky was a fullback for the Giants. He did something nice. Who was the guy on the Panthers one? Not Captain Summerlin. It was somebody, it was a cap. Who's the guy on the, the Panthers one, uh, not captain Summerlin.

It was somebody, I can't even remember that we got, but Gary Russell was the one I went against. I said, he will not score a touchdown for some reason. It was minus one fifties, the second string Steelers and back. And not only did he score a touchdown, he scored the first touchdown and got like three carries by the goal line before he actually scored this. It was a terrible, terrible bet, but it brought to a man and a woman laughed simultaneously at a party. And then they talked about what they were laughing in regards to, and it ended up being my pick on your podcast. And they subsequently got married.

But I pick an obscure player. I pick an obscure player every year. Someone you're not looking towards. Well, wait, before you do this, we're going to bring in our special guest who can hear the Gary Russell podcast. Who is it? Let's see who it is. Oh, no. Harry.

Is that Harry? It's your Against All Odds co-host, Harry. What's up? What's up? Yeah. He was available. I don't know how we booked him. You got him on a Sunday?

I'm glad his clothes are on. Harry, you joined just in time for Sal. Sal's going to give his Gary Russell Memorial Super Bowl prop. Before he gets it, I want to gamble on this. Simmons, what do you give me if I guess it correctly?

I'm going to text it to you right now. I'm texting Simmons right now. What are you going to give me if I get it right? I'll send you some gold belly. How do you mean? Sal's not taking the Chiefs plus like 13 and a half? Stop it.

Harry, do me a favor. Keep your thumb in front of the camera part of the phone for the duration of this interview. I think it's good. Alright. Just send it to Simmons. You'll never get it. You'll never get it. Let's hear it, Sal. The Gary Russell Memorial prop. Here we go.

Kyle, hit a drum roll or have the Rabbits play the drums or something. We could do this. Yeah, bang the Rabbits heads together, Kyle. My Gary Russell Memorial prop for Super Bowl 55 is Ricky Seals Jones to have the last reception for the Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, my God.

25-year-old Ricky Seals Jones at a Texas A&M. Now, does he have a reception for the Chiefs this year? No. Does it matter? No. He played 11% of the snaps last week at 70 to 1 odds. This is a winner. You may get Henny in there. You may get it at the end of the game. You got Ricky Seals-Jones only has to make the last reception for Kansas City, and I love it. He's going to get it. Hasn't had a target in the last two games, but it's coming this week, and it's coming at a price for Fandle, 70 to 1.

All right, so let's talk about this. So you're saying it's like Chiefs 38-23, two minutes left. Penny's already in the game. Gatorade has been dumped. It's like third and 17, and they throw to Ricky Seals-Jones. Drops back to pass.

How many would they have to be up? 15 or more? Yeah, probably something like that. He's in trouble for some reason. He's maybe even dropping back to take a knee, but he flings it out there. It gets tipped. Ricky Seals-Jones, RSJ, 70 to 1 odds,

and then they kneel it and take it down the rest of the way. Wow. I don't remember two special things about this one. One, I can't remember you doing a hyphen guy before. Yeah, I like that about it. Yeah. Two, this is the longest odds for the Gary Russell. Yeah, it's usually over under two and a half yards or something at even amount.

But, Harry, come on, Harry. You like that. Actually, you know what? You're getting a little crazy there. I like it instead of taking the big pluses with both the points. So that's good. Take a shot there. Why not?

Yeah. House guessed that it was going to be Anthony Sherman. So he was wrong. I don't own house. I don't owe you gold belly. That's a good one, too. I'll send you both some crab cakes from Baltimore. There was a prop out there.

Anthony Sherman scoring the last touchdown for Kansas city. That's like a hundred to one. Really? I think he only has one catch this year and it was a touchdown, but he's a white fullback. So I was, I thought you were all over that. I usually do that.

Yeah. I usually have run the course of the white fullbacks. They've let me down in the last couple of years. I was going to say the scouting report on Sal is white fullback. He just gravitates there. And maybe it's getting zagged. Harry, what's your favorite Super Bowl prop? We're a week away. Well, for

you, Bill, why not go this route? Let's go Gronk at plus 225 any time touchdown. Look, he's only caught two catches all playoffs, but he's got three lifetime touchdowns in the Super Bowl and he had his best game of the season at home against the chiefs when he had seven catches for over a hundred yards, 18 yards

a catch that day. So why not take a shot at Gronk? Who's got, like I said, three lifetime Superbowl touchdowns. So I was thinking about that because remember in the Browns Chiefs game, I was looking at those Gronk gods. The Joku, who we've all had on our fantasy team and waved, got wide open twice for like 20 yards and 25 yards. There was nobody around him, and it just seemed like, oh my God, is he going to have 170 yards? So it's either Gronk or Bray. So you don't think Bray, because Bray was way more involved than I expected in these playoffs.

House just made a gesture with Bray. You like Bray? I'm playing Bray, but you can do both. I mean, Bray's in there for an anytime touchdown and a first touchdown. I like his first touchdown odds even better. I think they're like in the 400s, plus 450 or something for first touchdown. I was looking at those two guys, too, and Gronk to get a reception before Brait is plus 130. And I just think out of familiarity, Tom will be like,

all right, let's get the kinks out. I know Gronk can get open for me for a seven-yard. You know, Brait, whatever. I don't know what packages they plan on running early on. But Gronk plus 130 before Brait to make a reception is pretty good. Harry, did they have one where it's Gronk scores a TD Bray to make a reception is pretty good. Harry, did they have one where it's Gronk scores a TD and the Bucs win? Have those come out yet?

Because I always enjoy those. Sal, you've seen that on FanDuel yet? That's usually like two days before the game. Yeah, I think they're waiting on that. They put that up at the same time Phil Mickelson's waste management fourth-round score against like Clyde Edwards and round score against like I'm on that house. Can you score me tickets this weekend? Look, you're, you're already in Arizona. What do you need tickets for?

They're letting people in 8,000 people a day. Harry sold out, buddy sold out. Of course. If Harry can't, if Harry can't score tickets to the waste management open, then just forget it. What's going on in this world? Rory's here for the first time ever. It's going to be great. I mean, I'm rooting for the best for everybody.

Let's hope the COVID decides to tap the brakes on Arizona for a week. Hal Simmons, speaking of waste management, did you know that oftentimes that our friend Ken, who owns the house that Harry lives in, won't let Harry go number two in the house because the plumbing is questionable there. So he makes him go around the corner. We lost Harry. He makes him go around the corner to the police station and empty his bowels. Yes.

He doesn't get to go to the bathroom in his own house. You understand. It was a huge story two weeks ago here in Washington, D.C., because the Trumps wouldn't let Jared and Ivanka would not let the Secret Service. Really? Number two in their in their house. And so the where Jared and Ivanka live is like a half block away from the Obama's house. And they were going to the Obama's house and using a basement bathroom down there. That's not true. They had to stop doing it because one of those Secret Service people that came over from the Trump's house left such a mess. They called it an unpleasant mess.

We got kicked out of the Obama's house and they had to start going to Pence's house to do the number twos. This is a real story. I'm going to send it to you. The headline will be unpleasant mess. What are like three houses within four miles? Why does that have to be either Pence or Obama's house? I don't know what to tell you. This is why you can't name a golf tournament. The waste management open because it leads to stories about clogged bathrooms and different houses and all this stuff. Well, somehow you started telling that story and Harry just did

that. He had to go to the bathroom. He ran. Speaking of going to the bathroom, I want to clean up. I mentioned the Brate odds. I got him wrong. It's Brate plus 350 for an anytime touchdown and 22 to one for first touchdown of the game, which might be worth a taste. He's sorry. He's no Ricky Seals Jones,

but you might want to go. So what else do you have for favorite props? All right. Well, before we get to the weird ones, by the way, this is the first time I saw on Fando. I saw you could call the coin toss correctly. You could bet who will call the coin toss correctly and heads or tails. So I could bet tails and the Chiefs get the toss wrong.

I'm trying to figure out how to parlay this. You pay more VIG for some reason on the heads or tails than you do on which I just never seen that. Will they call it correctly? But anyway, that's one, um, shortest touchdown under one and a half yards, four to the last five have cashed one and a half. So many different scenarios, pass interference. They put them at the one, you know, you pay the hefty vig there.

One 90 for that fourth down conversion. You would think you would think the yes is the way to go and it's minus four 30, but the yes is only hit three out of the last eight years and you get three to one odds for the no. I know you don't want to do it with my homes and, and Brady as good as he is on the sneak, but three to one odds for the no is pretty damn good, I think. You've been studying this for years. Yeah.

That the no is way better for the props. The no for everything. Because people always gravitate toward over and yes. Right. And they never want to do under or no. Yeah. Right. The squares like house.

The unders and the no's are always the way to go with this stuff. Exactly. It's just no fun. Like you said, it's no fun betting against the player, right? You see a player make a 12-yard reception. Like, oh, no. But, yeah, if you want to make money, the under is the way to go. They juice up those odds to go over.

I am going to be carefully waiting for the Kelsey and Chiefs win prop because that's usually plus 190, two to one. It's somewhere in there. And I bet they knock that down. It'll probably be like plus 150, plus 160 this time around. Anytime touchdown and the Chiefs wins. I just feel like if the Chiefs win, Kelsey's scoring. And, you know, we talked about it last week on the pod, Sal.

The chemistry between Mahomes and Kelsey is just on a whole other level at this point. It's like watching basketball players. Yeah. Where they're just so attuned. And if Kelsey's healthy, it seems impossible that he's not going to get seven for 100 plus and whatever else. Now, the Bucs are going to be able to throw Devin Wade at him. But I'm still not sure with the speed that they have and all that stuff that that's even going to matter.

House, what else do you have for props? I'm looking at FanDuel. I like these kind of discreet things where they pair up guys. So I'm looking at the running back first pass catcher. And both of these have Leonard Fournette as a heavy favorite. He's minus 4'10 a who will catch a which running back is going to catch a pass first Leonard Fournette or Ronald Jones

Fournette is minus 410 Jones is plus 290 okay I get that that that's fine but I like this one right below it even better Fournette against Darrell Williams. Now for net is minus two 40. Williams is plus one 85. I like that Darrell Williams play because if Kansas city wins the coin toss and they start matriculating the ball down the field a little bit, why can't Darrell Williams catch? If my thesis is that they're going to play a little ball control at Kansas city and they want to, you know, make sure all kinds of guys touch the ball and they're going to do these short dumps. Why can't Darrell Williams catch one for four yards and boom, I'm a winner. Plus one 85. I like that. Not bad. Not bad at all. What else do you got? So I have, well, I'm going to give my pick here. I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to give the final score

because you can get 130 to one odds. You can get 100 to one odds on if I correctly pick the score, and that is 27-23, and the team with 27 is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think the Bucs win 27-23, a good deal under the total, which is 56 and a half, about a half a dozen points under. 100 to one odds. You want to go 27-24? All right, I think Butker misses the extra point, but you want to go 27-24? That's 130 to one odds. That's my pick right there. And I don't think they move it off

of three. I really think it stays at three. I think you're going to have, in addition to like the sharp money, which has been Tampa the last few weeks, they don't want to move that to three and a half because people will pound that. Not just the sharp players, but I think you have like millionaires, multi, multi millionaires who don't know anything about football who are going to want to put money on tom brady like simmons uh for instance no uh he knows something about football but uh i i still think that you get we've already seen like a million dollar bet on tampa bay and uh i think that continues i i'd be surprised if they move that out three. So you're saying the case for Tampa 20, a 27,

23, the defensive line does some stuff for sure. Chiefs can't hold them off. It's a little like what we saw last week. Um, but even worse for the chiefs, they just can't. My homes is still pulling a couple of plays out of his ass,

but for the most part, they're just having a hard time protecting them. And then the, on the other side, the bucks hit a couple of big ones. They're able to control the clock, no turnovers, and they pull out a close one. Yeah. I think there's a lot of recency bias here really with last week's game against the bills, right? Um, chief scored 22 against the Browns 21 or a week 17. They didn't start anyone. 17 against the Falcons, 32 against the Saints. But, I mean, they've had 22 against the Broncos, 27 against the Bucs.

You know, they're not an automatic 40-pointer there, right? Like, we fell in love with their offense once again last week. But let's go back a little. It hasn't been consistent. And like you said, with two linemen missing and a really fast Tampa Bay, you got Vita Veya in there. You got, you know, Winfield's probably coming back. We don't know yet, but they are quick. Linebackers are quick. JPP is playing at a high level. I think they could stop them and stop them four times. All right. By that logic house, why not do

Tampa Moneyline with the under 56 and a half at plus 326? I'm gonna, I mean, that's an absolute lock for me. I have sidewise and I haven't gotten, uh, all the way into this. I'm going to do the, uh, Friday pod with Warren sharp and I'll have an opinion by then my lean right now on, you know, week out is, is still Kansas city. And I want to see based on what Sal's describing, um, all that Tampa money, what that does to the Kansas city money line. Cause that's, that's what I'm kind of interested in. I think there's some, probably some value there. Um, but, uh, if, if, if absolutely makes sense as a, as a just regular old hedge to do Tampa and the under, and I think that's a very sensible play at those great odds.

Plus 326 is awesome. Have you guys figured out what your record is betting on or against Tom Brady in the Super Bowl? I will give this as a caveat before anyone jumps on my Tampa Bay pick. I think I'm two and seven betting the Brady Super Bowl, maybe three and six, but probably two and seven. I'm really, I mean, I lost Seattle.

I lost the, I lost the Atlanta games, which that's atrocious that I would lose those two games, but even the ones where they were favored by three and a half and they only won by three, right? Carolina and Philly. Like I, I didn't get any of those, right. I got the Rams one, right. But what do you got? You're too close to it, Simmons.

So you couldn't really remember, but your record, I definitely, the problem with with the pat superbowls is that they won a few but didn't cover them right so i definitely won the first one harry's back god i i think harry's harry's harry's down in the obama basement what is this he got to use the bathroom what is is there a cop behind you harry now he's in the car. We're treating Harry in his car. I didn't even know he had a car. That was good. Yeah, I think for the most part,

one of the problems with betting the Pats is the Seattle one. Obviously, they won that one. Yeah. The Atlanta one, they came from behind. I remember winning big on that. But they had a couple other ones. Like the Giants one was a catastrophe. That was the reverse of the Rams game.

So I'm probably in the middle. Where are you house? I think I'm in the same place because I, the only time I can recall betting against Tom Brady and the Patriots and the Superbowl was that Philly game. And that's because that number just ended in that weird place. What was it? Five or something like that.

And I just felt like it was going to be, you know, a one score game. That's the only time I can recall picking against, but I've cashed big. So many, I loved that Rams game. I loved,

uh, the, the Patriots, um, laying the points and the under in that game. So that was a huge one for me. And the one that I feel, I feel,

uh, bad about bringing this up because it, it really hurts out. But that Atlanta game really, game really was big for me as well. Wow. I'm sorry. The worst part is I was getting three and a half. So even the improbable 28, three comeback, if they win by three and overtime, I'm fine, but they won by three and a half. I'm sorry, guys. I missed like the last minute of what you were saying. I'm freaking, I'm dizzy from Harry trying to get on here. He he's in a like a parking lot in his car he flipped the phone this is what simmons i'm starting a podcast network and harry is my

main guy this is he's my ryan rossillo joe house this is what i have to deal with he can't even figure out how to he's still screwing with the camera here it looks like a netflix unsolved mystery show where they're showing satellite footage before the murder happens, where it's like, Harry was seen moving a camera. I had a full of Brad moment. Full of Brad. We don't even know what that means.

Brad doesn't have a car. Harry, we have, we have two minutes left with you before our next guest. Sal just said he likes bucks. 27, 23. What were the odds for that?

Sal? A hundred to one. What do you, what are your thoughts on the bucks actually winning in the odds for that, Sal? 100-1. What are your thoughts on the Bucs actually winning in the game going under, which would be plus 326 if you bet that? I don't like it. I know it went under the first time. I think maybe in this type of game, we want to see more points. We want to see Brady Mahomes light it up.

I'm thinking maybe the Bucs seem to be, their number seems to be like 31. I'm thinking like 31-29 Bucs the game. Bucs win, money line, and it goes over. Oh, shut up, Harry. Well, before Harry goes, we have to praise him for, I think, the greatest gambling call of 2020. Oh, yeah. When it became clear that Brady might get traded,

Harry came on against all odds back when it was on the ringer and was adamant These are the best odds What were they Harry? Like 60-1? 75-1? 60-1 was the most I saw And made this whole case If he goes there

They have these weapons The NFC is wide open They could go in there The weather would be good Laid it out It was one of the most jealous I've been Of anyone's take in 2020 It was really good And I think I ended up just stealing it And pretending I didn't hear the most jealous I've been of anyone's take in 2020. It was really good.

And I think I ended up just stealing it and pretending I didn't hear about it. No, I would never do that to you, Harry. Bill, it's been great, too, in terms of what they did in week four when they went out and got Fournette after he had the issues with Jacksonville. He's been fantastic in the playoffs. He's scored every single game so far. He's scored seven TDs in his last eight. And I think you can get him at plus 130

to score an anytime touchdown again. Why not? Especially with Jones, I don't think he's actually 100% yet. He looks okay. But Fournette to score. He's a scoring machine right now and he's the workhorse in the backfield for the Bucs.

See, this is what I mean. Simmons is trying to compliment you on making a 60-1 score and you're talking about frickin' Leonard Fournette. TB to TB. The only person we have to make sure that doesn't continue to think that Brady to the Bucs was his call was Colin Coward.

It was my call, not Coward's. Coward's was way after me. That is true. It is true. We even ran like a ringer breakout from it. Maybe that's what Coward saw. Listen, if the Bucs win the Super Bowl, it's one of the best calls ever. Harry was not only just throwing it out there.

No, Sal, you're a little jealous. I'll go back and listen, but I don't remember. Sal may be jealous, but Sal also knows I don't have a dime on it either. Harry, did you bet it? Did you bet that Brady could... Simmons, did you bet it? I did not bet it.

I was just jealous of it and somehow didn't bet it. Sal, did you bet it? No, no. Harry gave it just jealous of it and somehow didn't bet it Sal did you bet it? no no Harry gave it out god damn it Jesus what are we doing? we have to let you go

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The best part of booking Dixon was explaining to him how he needed to have headphones and how they needed to be connected. So our audio didn't bleed into his. It was like I was explaining some sort of UFO landing to him. His daughter got involved.

He's wearing AirPods. Baby doll, welcome to the podcast. It's great to be here, Sal. Are you surprised? I still don't believe it's you. Is that Leonard Fournette? I mean, look at the tan he's got. It's not even February yet.

My God. No, it is Babydoll. I know what I, yeah. It's, uh, here's my dog. Oh, here's my puppy. Oh, good. There's one of my puppies. No distractions.

There we go. So Babydoll, you're now a manager. Yes, I am. So, so did it, was there paperwork that was filed that, how did you pull that off? Because for years you were a high powered agent, but now you're a manager. No, I've had Dixon talent for 20 years and I've been a manager ever since. Okay. Um, you're mentioned on this podcast, uh, fairly frequently. Does it get back to you? Because you pretend you listen to our podcast, but you, we know you actually don't. I actually don't, but almost every time it gets back to me

from someone what's the most inaccurate thing you've heard us say sadly almost everything you say has at least a kernel of truth to it so um it's hard to say it really is hey let's talk about Patrick Reed you know what I'm saying we we were just bemoaning that how he won we hate when he went we we had uh I had Shoffley and uh Finau and they came in second they died for second those guys but yeah let me ask you guys something will Finau ever win another golf tournament for the rest of his career. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. I'm going to bet him every week because that's what I do.

But I have an important question, baby. Where are you dialing in from? Because I have to tell you, we just had a long conversation about bathrooms and where people are allowed. And I'm looking at the wallpaper behind you and the window dressing. It really does have a certain vibe, baby. This is my office in my Florida house. I can give you a little, maybe I can give you a quick little tour of this. It'd be great.

It'd be great for the listeners. I'm sure there's a commode in there. That's all. Yeah, this is an audio podcast, baby. This is my built-ins. I got my TV and my fireplace. Why is there anything in the built-ins? I don't understand.

Do you need some pictures? I just, I do have some golf memorabilia. Oh, yeah. Oh, I bought you that book, I think, right? I don't know. I got a, yes, you did, as a matter of fact. I got some Coca-Cola stuff. Cause baby, this is sad. Honestly, it looks like you, it looks like you moved into somebody's

house. You're there. It's an Airbnb and he brought one book this place a year and a half ago. We're still furnishing it, but, uh, so nice. Let me ask you a question real quick. Yeah, totally hypothetical. What do you think of someone a perfect example, Bill, to answer your question. On a previous podcast, you said that I was really trying to skip the line and get to the head of the class because, as Sal said, I smoke seven packs a day. Well, because you're high risk. Yeah, yeah. Right. And I really didn't make much of an effort. I made a feeble attempt.

Yeah, right. I never made a feeble attempt at anything did you get it no not yet i don't believe it i don't believe you don't you're in florida you didn't get it you have to be 65 here and uh and a resident here But I am, look at here. He's trying to get it through a cigarette. Wow. No, I'm not allowed to smoke in the house, of course, but this is one of my e-cigarettes for inside. Pretty color. Baby, we want to talk golf with you,

but I do have a bachelor question. You have an incredible connection with the current bachelor, Matt James, who is now one of the famous people week to week online and, uh, is a beloved bachelor so far. The season hasn't been good, but I think people like him,

um, yes. How involved were you in this season? How did he, did he ask you for counsel before he joined the show? Like what? Give us the whole backstory. Yes. Um Like what, give us the whole backstory. Oh God, yes.

I'll give you the whole backstory in a minute and a half or less. How's that? So Matt is very close. Well, Matt is very close friends with my daughter's boyfriend and my daughter from Wake Forest University. And I knew Matt from his freshman

year forward. He's now, I think, 29. And minute 15. He's just a wonderful, wonderful young man. He really is. He's just a great, great kid. And we semi-adopted him. He would come to our holidays and things like that. And he's very close friends with a guy named Tyler Cameron, who was a runner-up in The Bachelorette a few seasons ago. Big heartthrob. Yeah, he's a very handsome, great, great guy also. And people started noticing Matt because they were always hanging out. And through that, Matt got on The Bachelorette. He was supposed to be on the season with Claire.

And I had a couple of conversations with our good friend Rob Mills, senior vice president, programming at ABC. You got him that job. And I said, almost, kind of. Okay. Rob, did I? You owe me 10%, Rob. He, he, I said, you know, Rob,

have you ever had a black bachelor? He said, no. I said, well, you're wasting this kid, Matt James, as a bachelorette. You should make him the bachelor. And you know what Rob said? I've had my eye on this guy for the bachelorette, you should make him the bachelor. And you know what Rob said? I've had my eye on this guy for the bachelorette. I was hoping he would progress to the end,

but that's an even better idea. And one thing led to another, and they named him the bachelor. And yes, I gave him counsel. In fact, on Wednesday night of this past week, Matt was sitting on my patio for about four hours. He's down in Jupiter. Well, baby, that was riveting. They should let you do the bachelor promos. That was something else. Before we move away, did he tell you how many of these girls he's had sex with so far? No, he didn't tell me. That's the only question that I care about.

Did I say I didn't ask, House? I asked, but he wouldn't tell me. The problem with Matt is he's too good a guy. He kind of ruined it, right? He's not a cheese ball like the rest. No, he's not at all. He's like a normal guy, and it's like it's thrown the season out of whack a little. Played wide receiver at Wake Forest. He's an incredible guy. And, yeah, no, he's not like most of the past bachelors on a lot of levels.

Here's what I don't understand Rob Mills who knows you who runs ABC's this whole side of the thing and he knows you have this correction connection with Matt how were you not on erection and connection how did they not work you into one of these

episodes where you have to come in to meet the four finalists and do the whole you know, like you're feeling out? I don't think they do that. I don't know. What do you mean? They 100% do that. They bring people who are

close to the Bachelor or the Bachelorette and they kind of meet the people and get a feel for them. You would have been perfect. Well, you're right. And you know, we'll have to ask our good friend Rob Rob, that, um, he, they did have his mom on and there's another surprise coming down the pike, um, that I can't say yet, but it's, it's nobody, nobody's interesting as me, of course. Oh, so do you, do you 100% believe baby came up with the idea for matt james to be the bachelor you think

no but 50 percent what percentage let's conference in let's conference in rob mills no no i know baby i believe you're like 35 percent house what percentage are your house i don't know but if rob mills won't baby, I'll have him on the golf podcast. Is that a second choice? I think what's more likely to have happened Simmons is Rob Mills says, hey, we're looking at this guy for the bachelor

and baby, you know him, don't you? He's like, not only do I know him, he sleeps on my fucking porch, blah, blah, blah, shit like that. He would be great for the position. And I think that's probably how it went. Yeah, I think, baby, that's probably more likely than you suggesting this.

So I'll put the odds on it, baby. Somewhere in the middle. All right. Can we, let's talk about the majors because the golf season began this week. Patrick Reed's already the biggest villain golf's had at some time. And I looked at the Masters odds, because this is right around the time

you can get some awesome value. DJ is plus 650, and then Rory's 9-1, Jon Rahm's 10-1. This is all on FanDuel. Beefy Bryson's 11-1, Justin Thomas 11-1, Brooks is 12-1. Then it dips to Shoffley 18-1, Reed is 27-1,

on and on and on. Finau all the way down at 34 one, because I think people have given up on any chance house odds that jump out at you as we're less than, what are we two months away now? Anything jumping out to you for value right now? No, none of those odds you just described, um, have any value to them. The two guys that I like for this coming April, and they've already announced they're going to have patrons, so there will be fans on the grounds, which is nice.

It'll feel a little bit more traditional. I like both Xander Schauffele and Justin Thomas. Now, there's no value at all in Thomas at 11-1. Schauffele at 18-1 is interesting. He just keeps playing great in these big-time tournaments at big-time venues. So those would be the guys off that list that you read that I'm

kind of interested in at this point in January. Dixon, anybody catching your eye as a 2021 sleeper? I agree with House. I mean, everybody thinks Shoffley's due, which he is, to win a major. And he has played Augusta quite well over the years.

I did call DJ, which was not that hard, for the hell did he win? Yeah, the November Masters. I had him, but that wasn't exactly a giant leap the way he was playing. I like to get,

and I bet House agrees, I like to get, I bet House agrees, I like to get a little closer to April and see who's hot because so much of it is momentum, usually. You know, who's got kind of a, you know, who's playing well at that point in the Florida swing and, you know, working their way kind of up north a little bit. So I'm not sure. Nobody really jumps out.

Yeah. Would I love to see Rory win a Masters and complete the Grand Slam? Of course I would. And he's a wonderful guy, Rory. Also lives down by me and Jupiter and around the corner, I might add. I just thought I'd throw that in. Thanks for that. Hey, how great is this?

I was talking about Tiger. Tiger at 31 to 1. I never even heard your take on the documentary, baby. Oh, baby. Did you watch the documentary? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Six times, baby.

It was pretty eye-opening. I thought I knew everything about Tiger. But after I watched it, I realized I knew very little. Really? Well, relatively speaking, there was a lot of stuff in there. I mean, I knew the broad strokes, but kind of the granular details of a lot of the stuff that he, you know, that happened with him and through his rise and fall. I didn't have all that. I really liked it.

You know what? Let me ask you this. Are you – I was jealous. I imagine the three of you were jealous at this idea. It seems so simple that Earl Woods put him in a high chair, faced him towards the screen and watched Earl Woods shoot into, I wouldn't have been able to do it, but don't you think like, oh my God, of course that's the way, that's the way you get kids into golf, right? Whether a son or a daughter don't leave him he's a captive audience don't let him leave that high chair and he's watching you and you can maybe not have the next tiger woods but you're on a good uh good trajectory right no well i'm like it would it would be on that it seemed like he didn't let

uh young tiger young eldrick do anything else in his entire life all the way to the point where he basically authored a letter for tiger to break up with his high school girlfriend because the girlfriend was was uh delivering too much of a normal life for tiger i like that it seemed like delivering some fantastic high school sex but that's neither here nor there i mean that's for another conversation on another day. What do you think, Bill? I, I, my theory is if you don't have the natural ability, if you're not born with that God given gift, yes, you can get good, but you can't become a world-class golfer. Like I always say, like I started golfing when I was like seven or eight, I could play for the next 150 years and never, you know, break 80 or whatever it is. Um,

it was in my mind, tiger was kind of the perfect storm of all elements coming together. You'll never love another golfer more. You're probably right. I know. I'm completely infatuated. I always was. I feel like he gave everything he could for that last Masters. Yeah.

And did whatever he needed to do on and off the course. I'll leave it at that. That's right. And now his body has passed the point of no return. And, you know, how many back surgeries are we up to house? Exactly. Four or five. How many can he have?

Yeah. Five micro disectomies. And then on top of that, all the knee stuff. And you know, we see that in basketball, like we're seeing with Blake Griffin right now, where it's just like,

you get operated on X amount of times. Once you get into like the eight, nine, 10 range, you're just not going to be the same guy, no matter how good the equipment is. But I mean, all agrees with you.

Yeah. There was no doubt as we all thought. I didn't think tiger would break Jack's major record. I thought he would shatter it to pieces. Whoa. And the fact that he probably, you know, almost,

almost definitely won't break that record is it's, it's kind of unfathomable. Imagine the odds on that. Like, like 10 years ago, right? If you had, what would be the odds of Tiger break? It would have, you know, you would have lost your shirt. Cause everyone would have taken Tiger. Well, you would have assumed if he didn't break it, that something horrible happened to him, which is... I guess you're right.

Kind of what happened. But, I mean, you would have assumed he got in a car, like a Ben Hogan car accident or something like that. So who's going to replace Tiger for you, baby, as Tiger fades into the senior tour phase of his career, potentially? I don't know if anyone will ever replace Tiger. Matt James? Matt the Bachelor. Matt will ever replace Tiger. Matt James. Matt the Bachelor.

Matt James sounds like it. Triple bogeys and all. Maybe Matt. Today I shot a 42 for nine holes at the Bears Club, which is the equivalent house of shooting like 37 anywhere else.

I know the reputation of bears club. I'm waiting for the invite baby before, before you go, who's the most famous person you've ever played golf with? Whoops. Um, that's a really good question. Let me think for a second.

And it can't be like you walked by Obama at the Martha's Vineyard course. Yeah, he's going to count that for sure. Does he count that once, Sal? Yeah. No, I never played with Mr. Obama, but I intend to next summer. I'm already working on it, as a matter of fact, as we speak. You had someone deliver you good advice last week, right? You didn't play with him, but who told you about your swing?

You were telling me this. Oh, Gary yeah which was awesome yeah no he told me gary player may be like the greatest guy of all time not just because he talked to me last week he's just the most like kindest gregarious friendly guy um you could ever meet and that's his reputation he's just a fantastic human being but uh you should go off with house oh yeah i've never gone off with house wow but by the way little factoid about gary player he is known to be the most traveled person in the history of aviation. He's flown more miles than any other human being on the planet. Interesting. You know that?

The Million Mile Club and then some. Oh, he laughed at George Clooney and up in the air. 10 million? That was nothing. He's probably flown 20 million miles, Gary Player. Baby, before you go, can you make the case to the listening public why they should buy Sal's book? Oh, my God. It's fantastic. I love the book. Sal, I'm very proud of you. All kidding aside, you did a you did a phenomenal job. It's a great read. You don't have to be into gambling. It's just pure entertainment.

It's laugh out loud funny, especially my chapters, by the way, my paragraphs. Well, thank you for that. You know, I just love the book. And by the way, thanks, you know, to Bill for helping us pull it all together. It was... Oh, I didn't know if you were going to change the story to make it seem like Sal writing the book was your idea when I called you to suggest that Sal write the book. I don't know if you changed that. I tried that.

I'm on the Zoom. It's too hard. It was his idea. He's like, wait a minute. He's like, I can make 10% of 600 bucks. Sign me up. You got to do this. By the way, it's one of the great covers also i love the

cover just looking at it i'm losing a hand of blackjack and handing my baby baby over to the dealer except half the people think i do get the conceit no i know i know you do but some people think that i'm being handed a baby. No, you're handing a baby. You literally have lost your child. That's exactly right. That's right. It's just a great book. I'll let you guys go.

No, no, baby, you're staying on because there's another special guest coming. We're actually letting House go. Really? What's going on? That's fine. I'm done. We can hear you on fairway rolling this week and we can hear you on a ringer NFL show is sharp. Yeah. We're going to give out bad golf gambling advice and bad football gambling advice. I can't wait. My love. Yeah. Thanks guys. Way to go. So great to see you baby.

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Sal is still here, and Daniel Kellison has joined us. Yes! We have discussed many times on this podcast. He has made more ridiculous bets than anyone we know and is widely credited as the person who single-handedly drove down the odds on the safety to be scored in the Super Bowl. First score.

He won it two years in a row. Now it's 10-1. I won it three years in a row. Super Bowl 46, 47, and 48. Well, you won that. There would be a safety, but that there would be a safety would be the first score was two years. Yeah, you won it with Tom Brady. But that's not to mention Daniel, you lost it. Superbowl one through 46. That's true. That's true. Well, Sal told the story in the book about you're at a Superbowl

party where your favorite team, the Patriots were were playing. Brady takes the safety, and you start celebrating wildly as people wonder what the hell is going on. First quarter was going to be a safety. I mean, how do you not celebrate that? I think it was 60-1. It was crazy. Yeah, Brady finally got a call against him. It was grounding in the end zone.

Who would have ever thought that? Yeah, I think I wonder. Let's see, it was 60-1 at 250 bucks or something like that. Yeah, he had crazy numbers on that. Yeah. Yeah. I think I went, let's see, it was 60 to one at 250 bucks or something like that. He had crazy numbers on that. Yeah. You know, I had a conversation, I had a very existential, existential conversation with Daniel, not that long ago about gambling. I don't know if Daniel remembers this, but I asked him, I said, cause he was telling me about all this money.

He won on the redx and this and that. And I was super bowl safeties. He went through. And I said, no, come on, Daniel. There's no way in your lifetime of gambling that you're ahead. You're definitely in the hole. And Daniel says that he's, right? Daniel says that he's actually ahead.

Sports gambling. Yeah. Okay. So let me just add this and then Sally can jump in. Yeah. Since 2002, I've made a bet every year. Red Sox,

uh, when the ALCS and Red Sox from the world series, it's 2002. It was a thousand dollars each. I was back in the, you know, TV money days. And I bet a thousand dollars in each one,

2004. I hit it 2007. I hit it000 on each one. 2004, I hit it. 2007, I hit it. 2013, I hit it. 2018, I hit it. All those odds every time. I mean, 2013 was the greatest of all, because the odds were 40 to 1, and it was a rebuild year, like it's going to be this year. And Sal was like, do you want to bet? And I was like, I don't want to bet it. I'm not going to bet it. He's like, why not? Just bet it. So you would put $1,000 down at $40,000. So you won $40,000 just in 2000. I won $60,000.

I had that opportunity to hedge on St. Louis, and I didn't hedge. And I think I called you about it, too, and you said, don't hedge. Because I already won $20,000 on the playoffs. I will say, Daniel hit a nice stretch for the Red Sox fans. And this is why they're so hateable. If you had the Red Sox or Patriots and kept pounding the odds on those teams for for a good decade or 15 years you're gonna make money and unfortunately that's why i'm a thousand i've won a thousand two hundred dollar bets i've lost a thousand two hundred dollar bets right i've won

seven like sizable 60 to one bets. I think I might be ahead. You might be ahead. But then you have people in your life that you do. You're a big side bet guy. You'd be the guy, if you were a PGA golfer, you would have all these side bets with different golfers at the tournament. I love the worst kind of long shots. And then I drive Sal crazy.

I mean, he won't let me bat on the Gatorade anymore on the Superbowl. The Gatorade. Should we talk about that real quick? Orange is the favorite at plus 160. Orange and red used to be one color. Now orange is plus 160. Red's two to one. I like clear. That's exactly the kind of bet I would have. I like clear. Clear at seven to one. Go. It's been since it's been like nine years since I went with water. Didn't we decide the two easiest bets to rig every year are Gatorade and how long the national anthem takes? The anthem for sure. Yes, to rig is fine.

The anthem for sure is the most controversial because people are starting and stopping their Braves, the last word. The last note, they almost always cut to the fighter jets, so you can't tell if they've held it for seven seconds or 11 seconds so yeah there's a fight almost every year about the uh anthem like so what's the maddest you've ever been at me about a bet do you think probably the gatorade thing like it was like clearly blue and then like you're sending me different angles of when you thought there was like a tinge of green in it and like can we just get it's march madness already can we at least put this to bed what are we doing i mean

yeah i mean but i was throwing away money and i clearly won right clearly um so what are the super bowl prop opportunities for you now daniel now that they've they've now gamed it so that people like you can't take advantage of the ridiculous best in the world. There's no safety for a score or last score this year? No, there is. It's 10-1 now. You're not getting 6-1 anymore. Is it 10 for first score? 10-1.

For first score, I don't know. For a safety, it's 10-1. You'll get better. I go first and last. Any other touchdown, I also go. Any other touch. And that's Daniel's move. First score is any other touchdown,

which means kick return, part return, or, you know, interception return, whatever fumble return or safety. Hugely odd. I mean, I hated that with the bears that one year,

right? Yeah. The kick return for a touchdown. Devin has to, uh, the kickoff. So you guys have known Baby since the 1990s. Neither of you have been able to convince him to gamble on sports.

I've known him since the 1980s. Yeah, what's your problem, Baby? Why? What happened? Why did this happen? What? Explain it. Explain it to us, Baby.

Why don't you gamble on sports? I honestly don't know why. I don't need to gamble to enjoy a game. Shut his box. You know this is all an addiction. People have the gene or they don't have the gene. Yeah, I have my other addictions that you're all very aware of, but gambling is not one of them.

I was talking to Jimmy about this on the show. He's like, our family gambling runs in the family. You got the... I'm like, why didn't you get the gene? You grew up closer to our grandparents in Las Vegas. Yeah, you said that. That's right. To host charity events.

What fun is that? Meanwhile, I come from a long line of a lot of degenerate gamblers, so I also did on my Italian side. Weird. I don't know why I didn't get the gene. Well, my son has it. Your son has it? My son has it too. My seven-year-old has it. I can see it because he does

NBA 2K where you can open these packs to try to get new players and he's obsessed with it and he wants to buy basketball cards and the thrill of opening opening stuff so i know he has it he's got good i don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but i mean by the time he is 21 years old eight years from now it'll be legal in every state it's going to be legal in new york soon right it'll be on your phone it'll just be betting on your phone non-stop it'll be great. Thank God you're rich, Bill.

You'll be able to support that. That's true. I'll cut him off now. Baby, when it's legal in New York, you won't put the FanDuel Sportsbook app on your phone and do a little golf? Nothing? You'll never do it?

No. Why not golf? At least golf. You know, I don't even bet the goddamn Super Bowl. I don't bet golf. I always tell you guys who I like in these majors, but I never even put a dollar down. I don't know. I just

I don't know. Well, one of the reasons I want to have Daniel on Sal loves a lot of things in life. Sal just spent all this time writing a book. He spent the whole week promoting it. This is this is a reward for Sal. It's like when we give our new puppy a treat when he poops

outside. He's a good boy. One of your favorite things is torturing Dixon and Daniel when they're together. I figured we could just do this now. I'm going to hand you the floor. You can go. Do it. Well, I don't know. What should we say

about this, baby? as you as you recount in the book yeah you know i never realized something that it was daniel's idea that obama you know getting in the picture with obama i never realized that it was daniel's idea for a lot of this stuff daniel's idea a lot we'll huddle together when we try to drive up the bill that you pay for. You know, you take like six- I'm Cyrano de Bergerac, basically. That's right. You really are.

But you'll take like- I'm a sow whisperer. Five or six cigarette breaks and Daniel and I will huddle. Like, all right, let's send the seafood tower to that table and Don Perignon on that.

Well, no, Sal, is this too many seafood towers? And I'll say, no, I think we can still go. I think we can still order more. Let's have another smoking break. It'll be the fifth one. Who cares feel i feel bad because i think baby worst person to consult on shit like that daniel because it's always it's always the extreme the robes the robes were good but baby i feel like uh you you paid daniel back by not trying to get him a job for the last decade.

Last decade? Last 25 years? That's really a decade and a half. Come on, baby. How dare you? Step it up, baby. As we speak, I'm trying to get you on a very, very

prominent ABC primetime show. Wait till you hear. You're going to be The Bachelor? Close. Very close. Very close. Oh, my God. Do you know this show, Supermarket Sweeps?

Oh, come on, baby. Don't square the deal. This is exciting um so what's the maddest you've ever seen baby at at uh daniel or vice versa well the maddest i used to do a character of the year it got too crazy and the world is now woke and uh everyone's feelings get hurt constantly and if it ends up in the wrong hands i'm i'm dead but i used to do what we call the character of the year awards and all the, our favorite people in our lives, Bill, many of what you've had on this podcast today, uh, I assigned

points to their, um, their weird behavior, uh, throughout the year. And, um, I assigned points to, to a baby who was Daniel's agent for basically putting him down as a producer, but in a very flowery way with a lot of f-bombs in there and daniel read this and like didn't talk to baby was very upset didn't talk to him for months and baby got mad at me and i'm like hey you shouldn't have said those things and now we know now baby it's true i i count on loyalty i mean even if you're you're lying i'd rather you be loyal. It seems not asking a lot from your agent.

Why not be loyal to you? That time. Come on. That wasn't even loyalty. That's not the right nomenclature for that. Whoa. What's nomenclature mean? Nomenclature?

I haven't heard that word in like 20 years. That's not the right word for that. You've got to get out of Jupiter's flow. It was about frustration. Daniel, baby, what's the angriest you've been at Daniel? You have like 700 things to choose from. How long is this podcast?

As long as you need it to be, baby. Can we tell the story about, I mean, I don't know whether it's a good story or not, but I think it is how baby became my agent. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. All right.

So this is like 1989, 1990, right around there. And I was a letterman. I was a hotshot producer and baby represented Ray Romano. He represented Kevin James, uh, Dennis Leary, John Stewart. And, and John Stewart was a friend of mine at the time and we would socialize and John had just lost his job at MTV. And so I had an idea for John. I said to Letterman, I go, instead of Friday nights with Tom Snyder, what if we did John Stewart, Friday nights, alternative music, alternative comedy? Letterman liked the idea. And I called John and told him about the idea and he liked it too. And then I called Dixon and then John called me.

He's like, Hey, whatever happened to that idea? I was like, your agent never called me back. James Dixon. So about five minutes later, maybe even two minutes later, Dixon calls me and he goes, I don't know who the fuck you think you are telling my client at the most vulnerable moment in his career that you can't

get me on the fucking phone fuck you daniel he needed me i'm at ray romano i had kevin davis and all these people and he's he's yelling at me and i started laughing i'm like i want somebody to yell on my behalf the way you're yelling at me right now i want you to be my agent nice and i've loved you ever since baby, but he doesn't yell on your behalf. He whispers. That's nomenclature or whatever the fuck that word was. Baby, were you responsible for Jon Stewart going on Twitter? I was not.

In fact, I'll tell you, I started getting deluged with emails, text calls. Is this a bogus account? Is John's on Twitter? And I literally said, yes, it's a bogus account. There's no way John's on Twitter. I told NBC News. I told Newsweek, six different emails. I said, no, it's a bogus account. Don't, you know, don't don't quote it in any way. And I said, you know, I just better double check. And I called John and he said, yeah, it's, it was me. It was real. I was like, are you kidding me? He never told me. He said his, his, his 16 year old son convinced him it was about time. It was about GameStop, right? That's what prompted it?

It was GameStop was his first one. That was part of it. He's also got a little show coming out for Apple in the next four or five months. Uh-oh. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad time. Is it Supermarket Sweetsakes? It's called Keep Your Headphones in Your Ear. Who helped Baby do the Zoom, by the way?

I want to know how that happened I somehow pulled it off Gary was texting me Telling me how to do this And I said I have no idea how to connect to this And then I said Let me ask my daughter Emily And she of course figured it out

Baby did you choose the wallpaper We've litigated the wallpaper This wallpaper is Unbelievable I agree Did you choose the wallpaper? We've litigated the wallpaper. This wallpaper is unbelievable. I got to tell you. How much did it cost? A lot. I'm going to show you something else. Let me ask you guys something really quickly.

Just look down at this. Do you think this is my floor in here? Let me ask you. What do you think this is? Your floor. Can you see that? It's a rug? It looks like a rug, but that is carved wood.

It's all wood. It looks like a freaking burr rug. How much? I don't know. Come on. Bill, when are you going to tell baby that he's on a podcast right now? We're not just doing this for Zoom. He keeps forgetting it's a visual.

It's not a visual medium. Wait, I had a question for Sal and Daniel. Do you think the greatest achievement of Baby's career was negotiating with ABC for Jon Stewart to take over the late night show and then ABC decides they actually might be more interested in Jimmy Kimmel. Baby, tell the story. And Baby ends up keeping both clients. Kimmel gets the job.

Jon Stewart thought he was getting the job. Kimmel gets it instead and didn't fire you. It is unbelievable. I want to set the record straight. Baby was in the car when Lloyd Brown called him and said he wanted Jimmy. And Baby was with Jon Stewart in the car. It speaks volumes as to how lovable Baby is. Because in addition to that, Simmons, obviously he has Stephen Colbert.

So now it's like Jimmy versus Colbert. And first it was Jimmy versus Jon Stewart who could get it. And somehow. First of all, Jon wasn't interested in it. They offered it, but, I mean, the money at that point for John, they never stepped up in the right way. He wasn't – that story, there's a nuance to that story. It wasn't them rejecting John.

It was at that time Michael Eisner not stepping up to where he needed to be. Oh, $13 million isn't enough? Really? Not in 2002, Sal. No, it wasn't. Wait, so when you say there's a nuance to that story, you mean a story that's been reported by multiple people who cover the industry for a living and reported in a certain way so that nuance was incorrect he meant nomenclature that nuance was incorrect yes you said it so then Kimmel gets the job and you and Jon Stewart are fine and then Jon Stewart he then he takes off on the goddamn job at that point he really didn't want the god damn job at that point he really didn't so there was no issue

but they didn't alright what about when Colbert Colbert became Kimmel's competitor and you supposedly love Kimmel but now you have two of your guys competing against each other and you navigated that they both still love you they're not competing with each other

they're competing they're not competing with any they're competing to get the audience. It's not against each other. Are you still going to pink vape? Yeah. Wait, Sal, so he's saying Kimmel and Colbert, who are in the exact same time slot of two of the

three major networks that have late night shows and compete and their stories every week written about who did what in the ratings. Baby's argument is they're not competing. Yeah. Bill, don't you understand? You're not competing with Barstool. You're just going after the same audience. You're not competing. I got it. How hard is that to understand?

It's a good, it's a good way to, it's, there's a nuance. There is a nuance to it that's exactly right baby why didn't you talk daniel out of having the audience drink for kimball's first show oh yeah where were you on i should have i tried daniel didn't i try yeah i mean everyone didn't i say that was a really dumb idea you know what happened was that we had the drink in the man show and and boyd wanted it to be like the man show, he said, but then he didn't want to have that. But ultimately what ended up happening was that I said to Lloyd at the time,

because everyone else said no, I said, you have drinking in, like, he goes, the guy said we don't have drinking in Disney properties. I go, well, what about, like, I went to the Lion King, and Jermish and I had a drink, and I went to Angel Stadium, I had a drink, and there's even a in Jermish and I had a drink. And I went to Angel Stadium, I had a drink. And there's even a club at the Disneyland where I have a drink. And Lloyd goes, he makes a good point. And they let me have drinks.

And then the girl puked in the audience. And that was that. Lloyd's like, Daniel, you're right. You're fired. It was about the same time. It was about the same sentence, even. I like how Daniel, he glossed over the girl puked in the audience

right in front of michael asder and bob agger like she was like two rows in front of them and you interviewed bob agger and there's a great line in there in the podcast where you said to bob agger look we've talked about politics and sports and all this stuff but i gotta ask you though you know you were there for the first kibble taping and you left there after the girl puked in the audience and all the chaos on the street and the fire march was closing down. And what did you say to Mike Leiser as you left that night? He said, we need to get some adults in here, which is really sort of, I think, a very telling moment. Baby, did you have that feeling?

Isn't that the title of your book, baby? That's right. Maybe. We'll see how that all works out. Baby, when did you know Daniel was in trouble as the EP of the Kimmel show? Before we launched, I'm sure. Actually, before we ever launched. Yeah. During pre-production.

There's a saying, you don't want to be the first EP, you want to be the second EP. You know, that's, I think. There is? There's a saying? You've never heard that? No, I've not heard that, that's that. And I think that there is. There's a saying. You've never heard that? No, I've not heard that. That's weird. I never heard that either, Daniel.

I just thought you wanted to be the first EP. No, you don't. Baby thinks the first EP and the second EP don't actually compete with one another. They're competing for an audience of the bosses, but they're not actually competing. You don't think I'd want to come in after that whole show is built and all the

foundations happening and all the bullshit. I mean, all the guests we had. I mean, god damn, look at our bookings that year. Unbelievable. Look at the bookers. Professional wrestlers. All professional wrestlers. It's true. I pillow fought every guest. I think Cloris Leachman included.

Sal, any last thoughts? We have to let baby go. Cause we have another guest coming in. No, really? No, I feel like we should, uh, I feel like we're, we're, we're treading on, I feel like we're about to get in trouble with some of this stuff, but, but I loved having these guys. This was great. Baby congrats. Seriously. Congrats on the book. Thank you. It's phenomenal. I hope you sell a million copies. Listen, everybody should buy Sal's book. We need to get on the book thank you it's phenomenal i hope you sell a million copies listen everybody should buy sal's book we need to get on the new york times bestseller list yeah we're close that's crazy we're very close by the way and and do do as much for my as for daniel's book as you did for

mine can can i just ask that yeah come on baby oh please don't get me started on that one by the way that may be as mad as i've gotten to you in a long time. Why? That he wanted to sell a book? The book thing. This is boring. Don't even bother with this, baby. We'll leave on a good note.

All right. Tell Matt James. We'll leave on a high note. We're going up now. Supermarket sweep, baby. You can't lose them all. There you go. Tell Matt James we said hi.

Thanks, guys. Tell Matt James your new favorite that we said hi. Thanks for coming on, baby doll. Absolutely. Thanks a lot, guys. Love you guys. Celebrate the 55th edition of the big game with exclusive 55 to 1 odds on FanDuel Sportsbook.

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I bet on him. You bet on the Bucs already? Yeah. Yeah, I did. Because it's two and a half. It's going to go down to three, right? That's what Patriots fans have to do, Bill. But you would do it too.

I mean, you have to put on— He's going to wait until it goes to three, and then he's going to bet. Bill has put like eight figures on it, but that's how it hurts less if you bet Tom Brady right now. I did enjoy betting on them the last couple weeks. It made me feel like I wasn't bitter. I had moved on.

I'm at peace with the six Super Bowl rings, and now I just want him to not beat the Chiefs if I bet on the Chiefs. That's part of it. You bet on the Chiefs? No, I haven't decided yet. I need to find out more about their offensive line. That's crazy. If Fisher hadn't gone down,

I would have bet on the Chiefs, but the fact that the offensive line looks shaky makes me... You don't think Tom Brady's going to pull it out of his ass? What do you think, Sal? What's the Hollywood narrative here? Is that he throws three TDs, beats Mahomes, gets his seventh, and this is the last dance, the Utah game, basically. Yes, for sure. But I also think for so many years,

we've bet the Patriots thinking, all right, you know what? If they lose in the Super Bowl or don't cover, at least I know I had the best team and they're fun to root for. Now the Chiefs are the best team and they're fun to root for, except they're against Tom Brady,

the team I just spoke about. So it's very crazy what goes through your head and try to navigate it. But like I said, I'm like three and six or two and seven in Brady's Super Bowl. So don't listen to me. But I like Tampa. Don't you think there's going to be some clumsy fucking last final play where fucking ball bounces off somebody's helmet? Could be.

Somebody catches it and runs it in. Tampa Bay wins. Yeah. Could be. I know who the next guest is. I know what's going on here. And we're just going to get bombarded with New England stuff for the next 15 be. I know who the next guest is. I know what's going on here. And we're just going to get bombarded with New England stuff for the next 15 minutes. You know who it is?

I mean, I know, but I'm guessing. I know who it is. All right, Kyle, bring him in. Yeah, see? Yeah. Of course it's Hench. It's my buddy, Kevin Hench. Die hard Pats fan.

Yeah. The listeners remember him the time he came on and we counted down the 20 greatest Patriots wins for two hours. I don't think I've ever had a podcast that enraged more people.

Really? Well, it enraged Patriot haters for obvious reasons and it enraged Patriot fans because we couldn't keep track of the years those victories happened. It's a lot. We made like three honest old guy mistakes where we just got seasons confused.

Yeah, it was after a while. There's so many wins. Hench, where do you stand on this Tom Brady thing? Watching Tampa Bay, watching our hero, the guy we defended in every Brady Manning argument for God knows how long. And now he's on another team trying to do the impossible, get to the seventh Super Bowl. Well, I don't know. I mean, obviously we sent a thousand shitty texts to each other this year about Brady, but I found myself unable to root against him even in, you know, which is not hard for me usually when they change colors, you know, it's like, all right, you're on the other team now.

I hope this goes South fast and bad, but, and I did bet against Brady in every category this year, but once he, once he started playing and winning, I was rooting for him. I'm going to bet enough on the Chiefs that I won't be rooting for him. Oh, a emotional hedge. Oh my God, what? Come on, Kevin. And I can't lose, right?

The goat wins, or the other goat wins. I see. This is how Hench does it. He bets, he's bet, you bet the Yankees more than once rooting he is an emotional hedger yeah yeah the hench is specialist in the emotional listen daniel explain this to me um this is how this works when you're a child of divorce uh everything is through an emotional prism so you you have to see all the emotional escape escape hatches early on we're like jason bourne with emotional escape hatches so you go i don't want this to hurt so i'll bet

on the yankees or in simmons like for three years simmons and i were preparing emotionally for the end of brady that's what all those texts were like every every time he one hopped a guy in the flat or turtled before the rush got there, we were like, fuck this guy. I'm going to break up with him before he breaks up with me. It's true. Sal's, one of the things I can't really refute when he makes fun of me is how many times we cried wolf with Brady thinking that this might be the end. I wonder like if LeBron fans now do that.

Well, LeBron is the same way, right? Where he has this two decades stretch of excellence and he'll have one bad game. If people are like, oh, because it's so inconceivable that that, you know, but with all that said, I still feel like Brady wasn't good last year. And I don't I don't regret feel like Brady wasn't good last year. And I don't regret any of the texts we sent last year. He had a bad season. Yeah, but you always say, oh, this is what he does.

He's got a noodle arm. A first quarter noodle arm is a guarantee. It really is. It's our process. We've explained it to you. This is how we handle having an old quarterback. We belittle him, but it's out of love. Here's the headline, Sal. Both Bill Simmons and Kevin Hancher

betting against Tom Brady. No, no, no. I haven't decided yet. Yeah. I just think it's only in the movies that old Clint Eastwood or old Gary Cooper actually defeats the younger gunslinger.

That's there's a better quarterback on the other team. After this game, Pat Mahomes is going to have his arm around Tom Brady going, this guy is a legend and I'll, I'll see you next year. And I love you. Like it's going to be a big me too, sort of a, you know, that would be dreamy because then he'd have seven and the next seven greatest quarterbacks of all time would have seven wow that's true well do you have any idea since you're so good at planning this do you know if he'll doubt uh he'll thank first his

teammates god or the city because that we could bet on or Or Giselle. No, we can't. Or Arians. Or Giselle over under one and a half cutaways. Or Donald Trump. Maybe you think Donald Trump. What's that odds? I could see it. Teammates, God, city, not family? Teammates, God, city are the first three.

Yeah. City is plus 650. Oh, he'll do teammates then. Because usually he goes teammates, family. He does that combo and then does the rest. Oh, really? Because teammates is also like the false version of sort of like, you know,

it wasn't me. It was my team. I mean, that's what he's going to definitely do. Well, he did that on the podium after the NFC title game. They brought him up first. Yeah, and he immediately like did the other guys thing. The selfless version of Tom Brady is great for the legend of Tom Brady. Belichick, 250 to 1.

That'd be nice. Come on, Bill. I'm going to put 300 on that. Only if he had a sense of humor, which he doesn't, sadly. Hey, have you guys already talked, have you guys talked about how awesome Sal's book is?

Yeah, yeah. We learned after that. Thank you. That's very nice. Well, it's incredible. I didn't get a chance to say anything, but it's fantastic. And obviously, both Daniel and Bill featured prominently. Right. It's incredible. I didn't get a chance to say anything, but it's fantastic. And obviously both Daniel and Bill featured prominently.

Right. Just incredible stories. I'm thanked. I got everything I deserve. Thank you. You're not a big, a generic gambler as me probably. That's probably what that's.

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at CarMax.com. All right. Parent corner, Sal, you have the floor. Well, my parent corner is, uh, we're actually taping this around wrestling, right? We were going to do this like at seven at night, but I do like, oh, Royal Rumbles tonight. I'm like, oh shit. So we did it like at 3.30. I think the Women's Royal Rumble is now. And the Royal Rumble in my house is insane.

Like we pick out of the hat, we pick numbers. So if there's three of us, me and the two older boys, we each get 10 numbers and they assign numbers to wrestlers that come in every what, three minutes or so i forget what it is they come in and it is it always ends in tears it really does it's and i have screaming on my phone i record it every year and i've won three years in a row and then my oldest son won and my middle son is like really just out of it the whole time and he's like screams and runs up

to his room last year i was at the super bowl I missed it. My middle son won over my youngest son. So now I have a collection of videos of these guys screaming at each other. I was going to play one on the, on the podcast that I was going to send it to Kyle. I looked, these sons of bitches erased them all. The middle kid went on my phone and erased all the videos of him throwing a temper tantrum after losing the Royal Rumble. Wait a second. So were you like asleep and he face ID'd you? He must have somehow got on my phone. It was on Versace. I don't know how he did it, but he erased it and then copped to it. And then I'm like, well, Archie, at least send me last year's and it's unsatisfying. So we're about to go through that again. And that's going to be the parent corner for next week, I guess. Yeah.

There's a lot of a lunacy in this house about to take place. You know, I'm on a thread with my college friends who, one of whom reminded me Nick Aida that 30 years ago today, when I was a, I think a junior in college, we had the Royal rumble party where we had the pool and we had all these people crammed in and everybody got one guy. And it was like genuinely exciting. It was a moment like they even remembered Lanny Poffo one or whatever. And, uh, I still feel like this is one of the greatest things to gamble on year after year after year. You do four people, 30 people, whatever.

Smart to do it this week too. Yeah. Wow. So your son went on your phone and deleted videos. Deleted all the videos of him throwing a temper tantrum. That's like a violation. I don't like it. Yeah. Imagine if- In fairness, Sal's password is T-O-N-Y-R-O-M-O. Quiet, Hench.

Not that hard. All right. Now I have to change it again. Hench, what do you have for parent corner? My parent corner is the corner I hide in while my 13-year-old daughter and grown-up wife fight. 13 in this fucking pandemic. It's got to be the worst.

I can't, my thing is like, cut or slack, just cut or slack. Obviously, every conversation with her has to be treated like a hostage negotiation. It has to be diffused diffused diffused you can't and so like i'll hear it start i'm like okay we're in we're in a situation here let's let's let's let's diffuse this isn't the todd girley fantasy football trade it's we can we can tone it down uh and then and i'm like okay i think we're gonna make it heather has to get that last word in heather has to just go like just get that last little lesson and then sophie goes okay now we're going the other way mom and then we'll heather's the kid well if you read a fucking transcript you

certainly would not be able to tell. I promise you. I promise you. If you redacted the names, there's no way you'd know who was 13. But and then I get in trouble. She's like, don't infantilize me. Don't take her side. I'm taking the side of softer, quieter. Let's relax.

Pandemic, pandemic pandemic pandemic um but uh so then heather will use the b word which sophie sees as opening uh the profanity pandora's box so next thing i know while i'm just trying to watch kemba walker go one for 12 and cost the Celtics a victory in peace. The next thing I know is a 13 year old going, fuck you, mom. Fuck you. And it's like, oh shit. Oh God. What, where, where can I go? How can I escape this?

The good news is this pandemic has been almost over for 11 months. The B word is Brady, by the way, just to clear that up. I will say, you guys have had all sons, Daniel and Sal. Well, I have a daughter. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you have a daughter.

I forgot you have a daughter. He's seen it. Daniel, we were testing you. We were testing you there. Good job. When they hit like 12 and a half, 13 range, there's some sort of chemical thing that happens with the daughter and the wife. We've talked about it a couple of times.

It can't be explained. They have the natural ability. Who's that guy in the Saints who can just start fights with the other receivers and they get kicked out of the game? That's what it's on both sides. Phil, you and Kevin need to Google. There's an article in Newsweek magazine from like five years ago about how girls who are

between the ages of 13 and 18, their brains are morphing. Not boys, just girls. And it's like fighting with a crazy person. And basically the point of the article is don't take the bait. Don't take the bait. Of course, of course, don't take the bait. And every time I deal with my daughter, I took the bait every goddamn time. My daughter basically hates me, but my son loves me. But my ex-wife is so smart.

She never took the bait. She never did it. She just walked away. She did worse. She smart. She never took the bait. She never did it. She just walked away. She did worse. She did worse. She took the ring. There's more. You took a lot.

Hey, Daniel, are you the only guy here without a book deal? What's going on with your book? We just went through that with Baby Doll. I'm sorry. All right. Here's the thing. And I don't want to bring it up here, but I had a big fight with Babydoll, and he was talking about that fight.

But the truth of the matter is I called Simmons, and Simmons has a book agent, and I talked to that guy, too. We'll see how it lands. All right. Well, here's the thing. I thought this was a sports podcast, and it's the Algonquin round table of nerds. All you authors.

That's right. Nixon will never hear this. So it's fine. That's true. Um, all right. I'll quickly do a parent corner. My, uh, you know, my, my daughter, she's single. So there's been some couple of guys that you have to FaceTime with whatever. And there's been one that's come over a couple of times recently.

And of course, my son, my 13 year old son. He's stuck in a pandemic where he barely gets to see his friends or if there's friends, it's like, has everybody been tested or you have your families that are in the bubble and you only get to see like two people. He's so excited that there's this other human being in the house that he can, you know, is relatively same age, another man that he's high. He's basically hijacked the quote unquote date. I don't know if you'd call it a date or the hang or whatever. And this last time on Friday ended up playing 2k with the kid for over three hours. As, as my daughter who claimed she was fine and she liked it and she's really glad they're getting along,

it somehow became a three-person hang. I would give him $500 every time he does that. That kid is earning his shit. He was like, inadvertently, I kind of liked it because he somehow involved the date. Yeah, the more he's involved. Yeah, he's like a chaperone. There's a flip side to this, too.

I lost my virginity to my sister's friend who did a sleepover at our house. Oh. You got to look out for the... That's a flip side. I took a turn. I didn't know how to take that. I was not prepared. It's Parent Corner. This is Parent Corner's rated PG. take that. I was not prepared. It's Parent Corner.

This is Parent Corner's rated PG. CarMax is going to love that. Here on Parent Corner. It's going to be a lesson. I'm just saying heads up. Heads up. All right. That was Parent Corner brought to you by CarMax.

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Anything? One of your seven shows? We're in the season finale, season nine of Last Man Standing, 194 episodes. It's been a good run. I don't think any show will do more than that

in the new world. But it's been incredible. Wow. Daniel, anything to plug? Your book that you want to get out there? I don't know. I don't really have anything. I'm enjoying it. If I never step foot in another office again, I'll be happy.

Daniel is plugging the safety as the first score of the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. I want to plug Sal's book. Plug your book one last time. That's enough. You can't lose them all.

I guess I'm on the, I don't know, Joe Ladar. Who does the last four out, first four buys for the NCAA tournament? I think I'm the first four out for the bestseller list for New York Times, but it's going to be close. And thank you, everyone, who's purchased it and all the nice things you've said. I bought one. Hey, let me tell you something. People think that if you're a good performer or you're good,

you know, on air talent that you, you will, you can only do one or the other. You're such a good writer, buddy. I tell you, it just jumps off the page,

makes me laugh. I love your voice. You're the greatest. I mean, after these two guys, I don't know what to say. Thank you, though. All right.

Well, you have two more days to get it for this week to qualify for the bestseller list. Yeah. Sal, Daniel, Hench, thanks for being on. Babydoll. We did it, guys. The old Joe House. We all did it. It was a pleasure.

Yeah, it was fun to see everybody again. Oh, I didn't get House. I missed House. Yeah, you missed House. Good to see you guys. Good job, fellas. All right, that's it. Coming back with two more podcasts on the

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