The Bill Simmons Podcast - Bill’s Birthday Beatdown, Jacksonville’s Rise, Chiefs' Concerns, and Week 4 Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Broncos' lackluster win over the 49ers, the Jaguars' blowout win over the Chargers, the Bills' loss to the Dolphins (1:39), Chiefs-Colts, Lions-Vikings, Raiders-Titans, Saints-Panthers, Patriots-Ravens, Buccaneers-Packers, and more (18:09). Then, they guess the lines for Week 4 in the NFL (38:55), followed by Parent Corner (01:09:18). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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First, our friends taping this. It is 8.30 Sunday night. Just watched a terrible Niners-Broncos game. Sal, it was my birthday. Yes. And the gamblers pulled my birthday suit and made me a pie and shoved it in my face. I did not enjoy my birthday. Yeah.

I'm sorry. I thought about you all day. First of all, happy birthday, Billy. Are you 57, 58, 59? I'm 41. Yeah, 41 years old. 41. Wow. You look great. I look great. Thank you. Yeah. Fill in the grays maybe a little bit. You do look great. You do look good. I look great. Thank you. Yeah, fill in the grays maybe a little bit. Yeah, I'll try. You do look great.

You do look good. I'm trying. Yeah, I thought of you when all those teasers went down, when all the favorites went down, and your million-dollar picks and everything, and some underdogs that should have won. It's the real picks. Yeah.

Yeah, we had, in the span of a half hour, the Patriots screwed the pooch. Mac Jones got hurt. My Miami KC money parlay, which I'm sorry, Buffalo KC, which watched those games. Both of those teams played better than the other team and somehow both lost. And then Detroit, Minnesota had Detroit and Undrunk Parlay.

They're up 10. I stopped even considering that that was going to be a comeback. They screwed that one up. Where do you want to start? Who is the most offensive we screwed up team today? I think we could start with the night game. By the way, let's get it out of the way.

You left a voice message for Russell Wilson. You haven't done this in many, many years. I did? The Sunday night winner. Yeah. I mean, do you want me to play it? God, I mean, I lost on the Broncos, so I can't even imagine what I said. I must have blacked out. Well, you were very diplomatic and I will say you've rebounded

well since the drunk show you just put on. But anyway, listen very diplomatic and I will say you've rebounded well since the drunk show you just put on. But anyway, listen for yourself and see what you guys think. Okay. Hello, Russell, Hustle and Bustle man, Muscle Wilson. It's Sporchish guy here leaving you a voice message. Congratulations on your

nine fantasy points. I have to tell you today's my birthday, so I'm going to warn you in advance. I'm about 33 sheets to the wind. These lemon drop martinis tend to get the best of me anyway. They do. It's been a while. It's been a while since I checked in.

Since the last time I left you a message, I found $250 million hidden in the sweetest treasure chest. But you know what? I'd give it all up to spend one more night just with me and you canoodling in a night of bliss. Say yes, hustle and bustle. Please say yes. You and I can cook together in a cryogenic chamber of my choice.

Sports the sky over and out. You were out of control. I went to the cryogenic chamber after all of those losses in the early games. I just left Kyle alone and I was like, I got to get out of here and try to freeze myself to death. Is that where you made the call? You made the call inside the chamber. Wow. Yeah, I did. I think I did actually. Yeah, let's talk Denver, San Francisco first.

Trent Williams gets hurt and it was clear San Francisco was just not going to score another point in the game. Their offensive line wasn't very good to begin with. Jimmy throws a couple picks. And then Denver looked like dog shit the whole game offensively. And then Russ made like three plays. And Collinsworth was like, oh, Russ. Oh, this is what we've been waiting for. It's like, I don't know.

We watched quarterbacks all day. He made three decent plays, good plays. But it turned out to be enough and they end up winning. I didn't see what the live line was, but didn't you think 10 to five was enough when Gould hit that 45-yard, whatever the field goal was? I was like, all right, that's it. This game is over.

They're not driving the field. But yeah, I don't think he deserves all the credit in the world for bringing them down the field once. In general, let's talk about these offenses. I don't know what's happened to 75% of the teams in the league where nobody's scoring at all. I mean, I think the unders are 29, 17, and 1, like 63% through the first week. Jesus.

I don't know. I don't want to say it's unwatchable, but it's not fun watching like Brady and Mahomes and, uh, Rogers. And like, they're, I don't know if the best receivers just abandoned them or they're hurt or what, but they're really working with garbage and Russ forget. He's just not the, unless he breaks contained, which he should try to do more. He's just a very, very average quarterback, I think. Yeah, I don't... I was somewhere during the course of the night, I was starting to think about him like when Dwayne Wade went to the Chicago Bulls and it felt like a big deal for a split second. I'll let you get the NBA thing. Oh, he's at a different point of his career.

Thanks, I had to squeeze the NBA thing in. It's your birthday. Go ahead. Thank you. But then there's other times where you think, oh, these guys have barely been together. It's a new coach. He's on a new team.

He's learning all these receivers. And I don't know what the answer is, but I think it's closer to the Dwayne Wade Bulls scenario. I just don't think he's, you know, the wow play. Like I had to root against Lamar along with Nephew Kyle for three hours today. And Lamar pulled 12 plays out of his ass where you're just like, oh my God, we had him.

And then he did that. And Russ used to do that stuff a lot more than he does now. I think that's the only thing we can all agree on is the wow factor is not there in the same way anymore. Yeah. And I didn't want to kill both quarterbacks tonight because it was clear that, like you said, when Trent Williams went out in San Francisco and Jimmy G,

we're going to have their hands full. Right. But I didn't think they needed to score. And also the other way, San Francisco's defense is great. They're really awesome. They swarm to the ball. And so I wasn't going to get on Russ's case too much.

But, you know, after you left that voice message, I said, all right, let's put things in perspective. There was a couple very timely punts. Like the Broncos, that punt that led to the safety, you know, they pinned them on the one and it just felt like, first of all,

I don't even remember the last time a QB has stepped on the back end zone. Orlovsky, right? Yeah, but Orlovsky played 15 years ago. So that was the last time? Yeah. 12 years ago? It was him and the Mark Sanchez butt fumbles was redeemed with the butt punt. Yeah. So like two bonehead-ish plays of the century come back. It's funny that he

was like three yards out of the end zone. He was so far out of the end zone. It wasn't even like his heel clipped it. This game tonight, 13 first downs for the Niners, 14 for the Broncos. I just don't feel like either of these teams, they both showed a hole that makes me think long-term. We try not to overreact in September, but for San Francisco, you saw it at night while they were trying to get off Jimmy G for the entire offseason. I'm probably higher on him the most. And then for Denver, it's just the coaching, all of it. Did you Denver, it's just that the coaching, all of it. Did you notice near the end,

though, that the guy ran out of bounds and they just ripped the clock off for 40 seconds? They ran it out. Just got the ball? Like with 220 left or something, right?

And Tirico was like, huh, that was weird. It's like you have Mike Pereira right there, whoever you have, you can't ask for that. And Collinsworth just blew it off. He's like,

but yeah, but really, let's give this credit to this Denver Chiefs Russell Wilson told the guy to keep the clock going yeah very strange the best team we saw today in my opinion was Jacksonville

they demolished the Chargers the game was over within like 40 minutes they did it to the Colts last week they have two ass kicks in a row and I think to me the story coming out of week three other than some of the boneheaded stuff we can get into later

was that Jacksonville I think is a legitimate on the fringe contender now and I wouldn't be surprised if they were a legit contender like three four weeks from now I like that they're not just talented on both ends two good pass rusher, defensive line

guys. Lawrence looks great. Two running backs that both were making stuff happen and the receivers are fine. And I just, that team looks really polished. They looked hungry. They had a little killer instinct. They put the game away. They were laying it on Herbert really, really big time. I was

impressed. That's two weeks in a row for them. I can't disagree with any of that. But I'm eating a lot of crow because the AFC South was excellent today, right? Except for Houston, Chicago, whatever. I thought Indy was dog shit in that game. That game was over 19 times. And then Ryan, third and 15,

Chris Jones gets the unsportsmanlike after the play's over. I'm still trying to figure out that call. The Colts were done. They were punting. Mahomes was going to get first down. The game was over. I'm with you.

But there shouldn't be any week where the AFC South wins three games and the AFC West loses three games. Right. Yeah. So that was strange. I mean, the Jags are sitting at plus 240 right now to win that division. Yeah. Well, I can't say anything bad about the Jags,

but the Chargers are just... I mean, this was the one home field advantage they were going to have with the Jaguars fans. There were actually Chargers jerseys in the crowd I saw, and they were never in it,

never, ever in it. And that coach, I don't know. I mean, the coaching is getting worse. Staley had him in there, had Herbert in there. Herbert barely standing upright, down 28 points with 340 left and he's still taking snaps.

What are they doing? It was 38-10. He was in there with a minute left, wasn't he? It was a minute left. Yeah, you're right. He went all the way. I thought it was questionable whether he should have even started because they were missing offensive linemen. They were missing Keenan Allen. I don't know. And then you hear about the

Chargers team doctor and he's going to get a shot. And it was like the parallels of that to the Michael Myers is back again commercial. So you couldn't stop thinking about it. Let's keep the team doctor away from Justin. How is it the same doctor? I think we talked about this last week. Is there a shortage of doctors in the LA area? What is going on with that? I was very nervous. Yeah, I was very nervous. The thing with Lawrence, though, Kyle and I were reminiscing last year when we felt like maybe Mac Jones

had a chance to be better than Trevor Lawrence. And then you watch today, it's like Trevor Lawrence, he's got everything. We thought last year, I gave him a pass for last year along with a lot of other people because it was like that was the most messed up football rookie quarterback situation we've had. This Urban Meyer thing is like one of the all-time atrocities we've seen on a first-year quarterback. So just write it off. to what we saw these last two weeks. And it looks like if you're starting a team,

you know, Herbert, I think Mahomes is still young enough to be in that conversation, but Lawrence is kind of edging toward that. And Josh Allen, obviously, but Lawrence is kind of edging toward that Joe Burrow spot. Right? He's like four years younger, I think. Yeah.

All right. I don't want to go. Well, I mean, I was thinking of the other way. Yeah, yes. Lawrence might be the cream of the crop last year's crop. How about what do you think with the two years ago rankings between Tua, Burrow, and Herbert now? There's like Tua making a move. We're now like a week or two away from hearing that.

Like Tua has now propelled himself to number one on that and those three. Well, he's certainly number one on the, I thought you were completely concussed. How are you back in this game? What the hell just happened? Unreal. And they're investigating, right? The Players Association is investigating.

What are they investigating? It looked like, yeah, Lawrence turns 22 next week. Trevor Lawrence. Wow. You should call and leave him a message. Two, it looked like Trevor Burbeck after Mike Tyson knocked him out in the mid eighties, where he was, it was like delayed. He was wobbling around. Wow. You should call say it was a back injury, right? Yeah, what did they try to say?

It aggravated a back injury that there was a nerve that got triggered, which is why he reacted there. It was like, oh, that's what happens when you slam your head against the turf? I mean, this organization, what more can you do to them? You can take away the weight. I'll say this because I thought that was a bad... I mean, they ran... Don't worry if you're a Bills fan, honestly,

because I wouldn't be surprised if they won by 40 when they rematch in Buffalo, A. And B, I don't know. How did they win that game? They ran 39 offensive plays to the Bills' 90. 90 to 39. Like, if I'm Dorsey, I'm throwing a fit, too. I'm just kicking everything. If we're doing an autopsy of that game and the

Chiefs game, it would take us two hours. Because the Bills, I've never seen somebody run 51 more plays than the other team and lose. Whatever happened to them at the end of the first half, which they left points on the table, they got a missed field goal. Miami didn't really do

anything for the last two hours of the game except to hit that one long pass. But other than that, I felt like they had them way more contained. I mean, everybody loved the over in this game. I know I bet it. Did you bet it? I had the over because all you had to know, Michael Hyde was out and the other guy, Boyer, was out.

Both safeties and a cornerback plus Tredavis White was still out and it was like, oh my God, this is going to be a track meet. But I think I'm going to add this to my don't bet list. Just these games in the South when it's hot. It just seems like weird shit happens. I thought the same thing with Tennessee-Vegas. Vegas did some of the weirdest shit in the second half.

And it's like, is this the weather? Why are you guys doing this? And Tampa-Green Bay too. But you wouldn't think one of the defenses would get tired and, you know. No, for some reason, defense never gets tired or it depends on whatever side you're on.

That's the side that gets tired. The Buffalo thing though, I still can't figure out, A, they get the, first of all, they don't score. This is the team that has the best offense ever. Allen just throws a ground ball

to McKenzie's wide open for the go-ahead touchdown. They get a stop. The punter kicks it right into the back of the guy's ass in front of him and somehow it doesn't bounce in the air. It doesn't go to the ground. It goes backwards and goes out of bounds for the safety. Shouldn't the game be over then?

There should be some play. That should be worth more than two points. They just end the game there. When you kick it into your own guy's, your up-back's, when you kick it into your own guys, your up-backs' ass, that's it. Oh, you think that's a forfeit? Yeah, it's got to be. Like, all right, everyone go home.

That's the worst thing you could say in football. So everyone go home. Well, then Buffalo gets the ball back. The guy, the safety punt, the punt was awesome. Like, he boomed it from the 20. He kicked it like, I don't know. I felt like it was 60 yards. Buffalo's still going down. They were just a mess. They were very...

Did you see that shot of Allen basically falling into two of his arms at the end? Diggs was dropping passes. Davis dropped one. Really, the heat 100% affected them. I'm with you. I think if they play again, I think Buffalo wins. Not that they're worried, but maybe this is the lowest you'll see

the Bills to win the division at minus 240 and the Dolphins at plus 210. No, minus 1,000 if Josh Allen's healthy is the correct number, I think. They should be worried about one thing. They are a very good 10-plus. We're winning by a 10-plus team. And these close games over and over again, it's a little like Kyle Shanahan who did it again today. These close games where you feel like, all right, they're great for three quarters, but can they finish off the tight one? And that's been the rap. Buffalo lost a couple last year like that too. Remember they had that

nine, six game against, who that game against Jacksonville? They lost that weird Pittsburgh game. But I kind of wanted to see them pull one of these out and they didn't. Let's take a break and then I want to talk about the Chiefs. And the NFL week right on Monday night with FanDuel America's number one sportsbook. One of my favorite things about FanDuel,

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this is what the game would look like. They stop him three and out to start the game. Punt to Skymore. He fumbles in the four-yard line. Colts up 7-0. Chiefs come back. They tie it. They feel like they're in control.

Near the end of the half, they're on like, what, the 40? And there's like 20 seconds left and the Chiefs call a run. Mahomes is walking off. He's screaming at Eric Bien-Aimé. He's like, we're the Chiefs. What are we doing? Romo's narrating it. Oh my God. Nutty. They miss a PAT. They miss a field goal. They have another field goal where they run one of the worst fake field goals I've seen. So I think they left, I don't know, between 13 and 14 points on the table just with special teams. Chris Jones aforementioned they get to stop four minutes left like on the Colts 30, third and 15. They get a big hit and he stands over him and he gets the taunting penalty, keeps it alive. Ryan makes two throws finally. He was terrible in that game. And, uh, and then the chiefs couldn't do it at the end.

And I'm sitting there going, I can't, this is like one out of a hundred times. The Colts would beat the chiefs. They would literally need 17 things like this to happen. Um, but the thing that worried me and Kyle and I were talking about, we were watching it.

You really felt the chiefs lack of awesome skill guys in that game. Yeah. It really just felt like, who's that guy who looks like Cooper Cupp on the Rams? Skoranek? Yeah, Skoranek. Skoranek, where it's a whole team of him. It's a whole team of Scotty Miller types.

But I felt like there was a couple plays that they could have made and they just didn't have anybody coming through. And now I'm worried about my Chiefs pick, Sal. I wouldn't be so worried because the rest of the division is kind of maybe not as good as we thought. Did you see what they were on first down today? Or third down? I'm sorry.

What were they? Three for 12. Yeah, that's not good. That's not the Chiefs. And passing up like end of the game, like going for the kill to try to get a field goal, passing up like fourth and ones. I just didn't feel like they had the same swagger. They're coming off 10 days rest,

and they didn't have it last week against the Chargers either. Well, two things. First of all, let's give Matt Ryan a little credit. I don't think he was terrible, and we'll pounce on him the next 15 weeks. I thought it was pretty bad. He had the same numbers as Mahomes. Maybe a little better. But a lot of them came on that

last drive where they got through like 80 yards on the last drive. But I thought for sure he wasn't going to thread the needle and throw a touchdown in that last drive. So I guess that was big. That he could still do that was surprising to me. Second thing is, if the Chiefs have a field goal kicker,

even the 50th best in the league, they win that game. I mean, you strut out Matt Amendola out there, and it misses an extra point, misses a field goal. They have to change their play scheme because they know they can't try long field goals. So, I don't know. I wouldn't worry too much if you're a Chiefs fan either. Where the hell is Booker? I don't know. He scratched before the game. He don't know. I wouldn't worry too much if you're a Chiefs fan either. Where the hell is Bucker?

I don't know. He scratched before the game. He's been hurt. He was playing as a straight-on kicker. I think he has a groin injury, right? I had them in a money line like pretty much the rest of America. And then over the

last... We have so much better information now with some of these gambling sites and we can see where the money is and the tickets are and things like that. And there was sharp money on the Colts for the last two days. And the line even moved a little bit toward the Colts. And I was sitting there going, this is insane. The Colts stink. This is like a once in a lifetime. Bills, Chiefs, three weeks from now, both of these lines will be three to four points higher. I can't believe we get to bet this. Both teams lost. Yeah.

I might just be on underdog parlays the rest of the way. That's it. Happy birthday. Yeah. Yeah. But I just think, I think like 19 out of 20 times the Chiefs win that game. And I think that Bills game,

I still can't believe they didn't win. And I still don't understand what happened. And they get a concussed Tua who somehow is back in there for the whole second half. Who is their backup QB? Who is it, though? By the way, it's an ankle injury for Butker. The Dolphins backup is...

Who is it? I think we saw him for a split second. We had it on the lower TV. Did he do anything? Oh, it was Bridgewater. Yeah, what are we thinking about? Oh, Bridgewater. We had it on the lower TV. Did he do anything? Oh, it was Bridgewater. Yeah, what are we thinking about? Oh, Bridgewater. Yeah, he was 0-2.

Yeah. Yeah, I thought we'd see more. We might end up seeing more of him anyway. But listen, I think you have to think of situational play, right? Colts kind of needed this one, right? I guess. They were all fired up on the sidelines. They were going to be 0-3.

I get all of it, but the Chiefs were still way better than them. Yeah, they're 1-1-1 now. So they'll go back to being the Colts. And the Chiefs will... Although, yeah, these teams, these schedules don't let up for some of these teams. It really is interesting. 3-10 on third down, the Chiefs. That still was not the worst loss of the day. The worst loss of the day was Detroit.

Detroit controls the whole Minnesota game. 24-14. Minnesota gets to pad the fantasy stats touchdown. Detroit has it again. Going down. There's, what, a minute? Minute 15 left. They're on? A minute, minute 15 left. They're on the 37.

They're up three. Minnesota has no timeouts left. And the three choices are go for it on fourth and four. Well, don't forget they had a fourth and one. They missed on. They got stuffed up. They missed on. I was okay with that, actually.

They were going for the kill. They were on the 30. No, I'm all right with the decision. But if they make that, the game's over. They were on the 30. No, I'm all right with the decision, but if they make that, the game's over. Dalvin Hook is injured. Everything looked great. So they could either punt

from the fourth and four, go for the field goal, or just go for it. And I would have either just gone for it and punted. Bringing in the field goal kicker who, what's that guy's name? Shane, whatever the hell

his name is. That was really bad. There was no chance. I've seen some bad misses. He had already missed once and this is just like video game one-on-one. If I miss this, the other team now has the ball on the 40

and all they need is two first downs and they're kicking the game-tying field goal. Again, Minnesota had no timeouts left. If you punt it, you put them on the 10. Cousins has to go 70 yards with no timeouts just to get a field goal? Right. I just...

And what is getting up six? What does that do for you? Now you're kicking off anyway. The other team still needs a touchdown. I just didn't get it. I thought it was stupid when it was happening. Are you questioning Dan Campbell? You think Dan Campbell might not be the question dan campbell and the lions fans were pissed and googling some of the stories after the game was really funny but i had i had detroit

in uh underdog parlays with jacksonville and carolina and they were like six to one and nine to one and it was brutal like carolina detroit you like you chalk that one in. You have it. It's a win. Right. Minnesota has won these teams. I'm just going to keep betting against them. I don't think they're as good as the line is going to show. The Lions might just be one of those. They give you

an entertaining game every week, but they're on the short end, but you'll get enough points that it'll be worth it. The Vikings, I don't want to say everyone's bad because 14 teams still have to make the playoffs, but there are very few teams that I think can win three games in a row in the playoffs. If we look at it that way,

maybe four or five teams that you're really confident that can go on a three-week run. Yeah, I think the Vikings are one of them. I'm with you. I wrote down, I was like wrote down I was like do I like seven teams right now I wrote down Buffalo, Philly

Jacksonville Green Bay and Tampa because I still think Tampa's D and they'll get their receivers back they're fine Baltimore just because it feels like Lamar might be putting together something special and then either Miami or KC for that last spot.

And I don't know how that one plays out yet. The lack of firepower, I didn't like Mahomes yelling at the enemy today combined with the lack of firepower made me nervous. I just didn't feel like they had the swagger. Yeah, well, he needs to settle in to a receiver at this point, right? I guess it's only three weeks.

But, you know, you get excited about like a Valdez Scantling. You know, like, oh, that's not the answer. He can't be happy with these guys, right? The guys weren't open. It was like we were watching the Vegas game, and Adams had like 35 yards or less twice in three games, which has happened like only a couple times in his career in Green Bay. But when you actually

watched the game, it didn't seem like he was open that much. It didn't really seem like all of these vaunted Vegas targets were open. It was the same thing for KC. I didn't really feel like there was one play where Schuster got open and he went for like 50 yards, but for the most part, it felt like the guys were covered all over the place.

I mean, it's an epidemic. Like, look at Jamar Chase, right? Like, that guy can't get open. My guy, CeeDee Lamb, can't get open. I'm not sure. They didn't change the rules, did they? The defense is just like stepping up? Or is it too hot out?

Is it all these factors that amount to what seems like a touchdown less per game? Chris Alave got open. He did. Bunch of targets today. Yeah. The Vegas game, they were one for 12 on third down. Wow. Our friend Hench gleefully texted this.

Because him and I have complained a lot about McDaniels the last few years. And McDaniels is now 5-20 in his last 25 games. Closed-door meeting with Al Davis after the game. A long one, they said. They exhumed him? How did they find Al Davis? That's it. That's the punishment.

You have to be with Al Davis. No, they really dug him up. Yeah, no, Mark Davis. Yeah, so there's two winless teams yet. Vegas left Vegas and Houston and Houston has a tie. So Vegas is the only own three team left in the entire league. I know, but they're good. I know. I'm with you. I'm an idiot. I picked them to be in first place in the West, but they, they, you don't want to say should be three and oh, but they're in every game. They're just one of

these jackass teams that can't get it together. I don't want to say should be 3-0, but they're in every game. They're just one of these jackass teams that can't get it together, I don't think. Well, where did this Hollins guy come from that was catching everything today? Mack Hollins? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how much you're bidding on him

in a FAA game. Did you see when they got the touchdown that brought them to within two and then they missed the two point, but it was like fourth and 10. And they just threw it over to him. He was blanketed and he just did the Calvin Johnson. All right, I'll just catch this.

This guy hanging all over me. It was really nice. He'll go for like $40 in our league. He has as many targets as Devante Adams today. You make a good point about Vegas. It's weird. They're 0-3 and I'm not totally panicking for

really anybody yet because even you look at the parity you look at the standings and like everybody's 2-1 or 1-2 so how can you even be out of it? I mean I'm biased because like I said I had very high hopes for them and my money followed those high hopes but I think

they're better than several 2-win teams I think they're better than Cleveland two-win teams. I think they're better than Cleveland. They're definitely better than the Bears. I don't know what would happen. We'll see with the Giants. I don't know. And Denver. They play Denver next week. I think they're better than them. Well, let's do AFC teams.

Just if you had to say, making the playoffs. We have no idea. It's week three. A million things can change. But I'd put Miami and Buffalo in there. One of the AFC West teams, Jacksonville, and probably Baltimore. And I think there's a bunch of spots. There's two wildcard spots open. And technically you could argue the AFC West is open

because the Chargers are having this season from hell. It's not there yet, but it's starting are having this season from hell. It's not there yet, but it's starting to edge towards season from hell possibilities with them. Like Bosa limps off with the groin injury in the first quarter. Allen's already missed two games. Guyton looked like something terrible happened to him today. It looked like it was an Achilles or something. The coach and the doctor are trying to kill the star quarterback. Right. He's like Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween. And Staley, see, below 500 now as a coach? Or 500?

Where were they last year? Is he right there? They were 9-8, right? Yeah, so he's 500. They win 10 games, they might have won 10. Oh, no, they didn't make the playoffs, right? Yeah, I think they were 9-8. And then on the other side, Philly Green Bay. and 10. Oh, no, they didn't make the playoffs, right? Yeah, I think they were 9 and 8.

And then on the other side, Philly, Green Bay. Well, back to the AFC. It's weird that we're three weeks in and we're like, yeah, there's only going to be one AFC West team, but I think you're right. Out of Denver, the Raiders and the Chargers, I guess we're assuming the Chiefs are going to...

There might be two. No, but one of those has to win 10 games? I don't know if they get to 10 and 7. I think Miami and Buffalo, unless something stupid happens, I think those are both playoff teams. I was really impressed by Miami's defense today, even though I know they gave up 90 plays and Buffalo left a lot on the table.

But I thought they pressured Allen. I thought they made him work. I thought they did a pretty good job of covering the receivers. It was okay. They were doing a lot of gimmick stuff, a lot of blitzing. But they hung around. They gave themselves a chance to win. Yeah, they handled the heat for 90 plays.

That's commendable. Yeah, and then on the NFC side, even if you put the Eagles in, let's say Green Bay, Tampa, I don't even know who you're taking out of the NFC West. Maybe the Rams, but it's like the Rams have shown a ton. I like the way Carolina's playing. I know I'm in on them every week, but I think their defense is good. Their defense was really good again today. I think that's one of those teams when the advanced metrics start coming,

like really start to get good around week six, week seven. I think that's going to be a team that's going to be like in the top 10 or 12 by all these different numbers. People are going to go, boy, that's weird. Why is Carolina in there? But they're in on, they easily could be 3-0. Listen, I'm not going to argue with you. The Saints score and then they come right back.

That was an important drive for them, right? Because you don't want them to be their 0-3. We're not having this conversation. They have a bunch of playmakers on D, too. And they seem like no matter how shaky Baker looks from game to game, they always get two plays. They get two long plays. And McCaffrey's made it three games

without getting hurt. Yeah, to me, the Minnesota looks fraudulent. And then I think tomorrow, we'll find out with your team because your team should beat the Giants tomorrow. I think so too. The Giants should not go 3-0. Oddly confident.

Yeah, I really am because the Giant fans are really, really confident. We were talking to Schrager. Even the cops in the area walking with a different swagger and everything. fans are really, really confident. We were talking to Schrager. He's like, even the cops in the area are walking with a different swagger and everything. Like, yeah, all right. This is where we pounce here. But, you know, the Eagles and Bucs are tied now, odds-wise,

to win the NFC. Just like that. Makes sense. I think the Eagles, every game. Eagles and Bucs? Like, the Bucs lost today. I know, but their defense is really good, and they were missing their top three receivers.

Yeah, I know. There's three plus 30 point differential teams. Buffalo's plus 53. Jacksonville's plus 46. And Philly's plus 36. And you think like, if Wentz doesn't hit two bombs in that Jacksonville game, he needed to hit both.

Jacksonville's three and up. And we're like, holy shit, is Jacksonville, are we going to get Buffalo that Jacksonville game. He needed to hit both. Jacksonville's 3-0. Right. And we're like, holy shit, is Jacksonville, are we going to get Buffalo and Jacksonville in the finals? The only other thing I had, and then we can play guess the ones. The Eagles, let me just really quickly. The Eagles are a weird team. I think they were shut out twice in the second half.

Yeah. The last two weeks or something. But like 24 points each first half for the last three games, right? They just jump out on you and then it's not even a game. The Bears have 23 pass completions in three games. Yeah.

Eight, eight, and seven, right? And they're two and one. Of course they are because I picked them to have the worst record in the league in the two and one. Stupid. And I tried to figure out who the the worst record in the league in that 2-1-1. Stupid.

I tried to figure out who the seven worst teams in the league are. I think Seattle, Houston, Pittsburgh, and ironically, Chicago, even though they're 2-1. I think all four of those have to be in whatever that conversation is. The reason I did this is it's hard for me to see

a path where the Pats might not be in that conversation,. The reason I did this is it's hard for me to see a path where the Pats might not be in that conversation, especially if Max hurt. Right. They just make too many mistakes. Like, I was reading the quotes after the game, and they were like,

we were moving the ball the whole, we just got to fix the turnovers. It's like, every week, it's an excuse. They, quarterback, Max just has not been

that good this year. He sucked last week. He made two absolutely killer, terrible throws today. The Baltimore game was winnable. It was sitting there. And I know Lamar finished with a great game, but I thought they did a pretty good job. He's

fantastic. They were kind of holding him off and hanging around, and then Mac just couldn't keep him in it. Well, you know, look, these football players are tougher than you and I or ever be, but it's not a good sign when Mac Jones is screaming like a 12-year-old girl at a Harry Styles concert from the injury. Those high ankle sprains are tough.

Yeah, but that said, that Ravens team was angry. They lost a stupid-ass game last week, right? Yeah. And so they were going to give you everything they had, and they are one of the best teams. So they came in. You had no Jacoby Myers. That's big.

When I picked the Patriots this week and all my analysis was, this is a big Jacoby Myers breakout game. Oh, God. He doesn't even play. I just think the play calling, even like that two-point conversion where Ramondre flipped it back to Mack and he scored,

but it turned out Ramondre's knee was down. It's a two-point conversion, right? Every other team has awesome versions of this. We used to have awesome versions of it. Our play was Ramondre running into like seven guys and having to pivot and turn and lateral it back to our quarterback because he was about to get overtaken

by half the Ravens defense. That was our two-point play. It's a team that in the Super Bowl gets the Falcons. I think we completed three two-point conversions and all of them were really cool plays. This is what we've been reduced to. Listen, these days, as long as your two-point play

isn't a delay a game, you're in good shape. How many times are we going to see that? We saw Kyle Murray do it and then he ran for 20 seconds and converted it. And then Brady, it is interesting with him. Is he losing his mind a little? Now he's calling timeouts he doesn't have, which if you do that in the NBA or in college basketball,

you're reviled forever. But he's doing that. What's with Bolt? How do they get a false start or delay a game, putting it back to the seven? It was terrible because they just scored. And it seemed like Russell Gage could have done the, I was hitting the head, I'm going to lie on the ground

for a few minutes here and milk this so we can come up with the perfect play. He didn't. And then, you know. I mean, they got lucky that it got that. That hit double zero also. That scoring point. Oh, yeah. And then that. That hit double zero. Also that scoring. Oh, yeah.

And then the other one hits double zero. I'm not taking a lot from that game because they just had no, you know, when it's Evans and Godwin, that's going to be a different game. Brett Kyle was saying how during the game that it was like watching Brady with the 2019 Pats again. Yeah. And it was like kind of semi washed up Edelman, you know, Nikhil Harry. And it just they didn't have anybody

to get open. He was frustrated. It just doesn't look, it's not, we're not used to it. We see Brady and Rodgers. We don't see like the 20th and the 23rd best passing game the team's going at it. But you and I analyzed like, this is going to be a defensive game.

We said it last week. We said it was going to be like De Niro, Pacino and righteous kill. It was like, oh, Brady Rodgers is like, this isn't going to be a defensive game. The defense is. We said it last week. Yeah. Yeah. We said it was going to be like the Nero Pacino and righteous kill. It was, it was, Oh, Brady Rogers is like, this isn't going to be great. I,

uh, if I'm a Packer fan though, Lazard, I thought he did a couple of good things. And then Dobbs, um, yeah. You know,

where they, they kept kind of, I don't want to compare him to Devante Adams, but he looks a lot like Devontae Adams. There's a lot of that there in the game. That was another good call by us. We have to celebrate the good calls so few and far between. I think we said Sammy Watkins over under five and a half weeks.

Oh, yeah. He lasted like a minute after he made that call. All right. We'll take a break. We'll do guest lines. When you ride transit, please be safe. Yeah, be safe.

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Thursday night, week four, Bengals at home against the Dolphins of Miami. What a tough spot for Miami. That was, you know, a pretty brutal game. Bengals got to play the Jets. Miami's in this sauna war against Buffalo. I have the Bengals favored by one and a half over the

Dolphins. Do I let you win because it's your birthday? I had two and it's two and a half. Two and a half. This is, you don't want to say a fishy game because it's Miami and you never know how much Burrow is going to be protected, but I'm just

going to root against, I'm going to bet against this Miami team. I was with your boy, Jastrzemski because he lives out in Brooklyn. And he is so high on this Dolphins team. I know. They could be 0-3. Just relax. He just punched them. He slapped them like the lady in airplane, the whole line of people

lining up. The, uh, he slapped them like the lady in airplane, the whole line of people lining up. The, uh, the Bengals did not answer there. Can you protect Joe Burrow questions for me in that Jets game from the pieces I saw? I mean, I know the Bengals won and they won fairly comfortably, but,

um, it's just the pass rush thing is going to continue to be a problem. Yeah. He didn't get sacked a lot, but, uh, but, but he,

uh, he was sure close a bunch of times. Yeah. I don't know what happened to Chase a problem. Yeah, he didn't get sacked a lot, but he was sure close a bunch of times. Flacco threw him a couple. Yeah. What did happen to Chase? Did he get hurt? He didn't get hurt.

Nah, I think he just hasn't had that game. It feels like him and Jefferson are going to have 200 yard receiving games one of the next couple weeks, right? Well, don't forget, he was like pretty average for,

I mean, look it up last year. And then I think around week six or seven, not that this makes any sense, but he had then seven games that are very hard to compare anyone to. It was phenomenal. I like the Bengals in this game. I think that's a tough spot for the Dolphins. Coming off the Bills,

you're 3-0. You have a whole concussion controversy with him. And you've got to play four days later. I would like them a lot more if this wasn't a Thursday game because you know the Thursday games get wonky. But if they had a week to prepare, I think this would be Cincinnati. Sunday marquee, I'll let you pick. Bills Ravens or Eagles Jags?

What's the marquee game in your opinion? Well, Bills Ravens. Okay. Bills Ravens, yeah. I thought we could get cute and go Eagles Jags, but we can go Bill's Ravens. That's fine. I think that's.

Well, this'll be, you know, it's going to happen this week. You know, it's happening. No. Kyle,

turn the TikTok camera on. Oh. Not the real one. It's week three heading into week four. Yeah. It's officially MVP watch time. We're not even in October yet. Josh Allen,

Lamar Jackson, the MVP is at stake. We have 15 weeks left in the season, but whoever wins this game is going to win the MVP. It's all going to happen this week. I thought you were going to give it a Trevor Lawrence, like a 30, 35 to one.

I already did. I gave it to him already. Yeah. Now this is going to be a whole week of, this will be first take and the little graphic at the bottom. Coming up, is the MVP at stake in Buffalo? Mm-hmm. And it'll be all that.

Who's the best player? Get ready for every bad premature take you can get. Yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready. It's actually later than I thought. Week three. Yeah.

I have the Bills by four at home over the Ravens. All right, you get this. I went light. I said Bills by one and a half. It's three. It's fair. Man, remember when we were talking about the Bills as the 2007 Pats? Mm-hmm.

I guess that's not happening. They're two and one. I don't know. Come on. No, they're two and one. They can't be the 2007 Pats. Yeah. They're mad, though. They don't know. Come on. They're two and one. They can't be the 2007 bats. Yeah. They're mad though.

They don't take these lightly. I mean, that Dorsey thing is great. I could watch it like 50 times. That was wonderful. Yeah. We should see more of that. It's rare that something happens in football that will bring my son over with this phone to show to with a dad. Did you see that? He really loved it. I wouldn't be surprised if the

Bills finished 16 and one. And you look back at that Miami game like, oh, man, like they could be like 12 and one and week 14 will be like, oh, man, that Miami game. This is tough for Baltimore, right?

If they can't get on like a winning streak because they have all these hard games ahead. But they all they are in that division. So, well, what's interesting to me about Baltimore is Dobbins came back today.

He looked good, but he'll be four or five weeks away from where you need to be with coming off the injuries he had. But Duvernay, Andrews, Bateman, and then Lamar doing Lamar stuff, it was probably the scariest version of the Baltimore offense

that I can remember going against as a Pats fan. Yeah, it's true. It felt like they had a lot of answers where it's like third and short, I felt like they were going to get it. Third and 12, I felt like somebody for them

was going to get open. I don't remember feeling that way before when it was like... You don't deserve that. Yeah, you don't deserve that on your birthday, that offensive output that they had. You needed something similar to what they put up against the Jets,

which was okay, but if we can score 28 points, we'll do it. Kyle was on a text with some past fan he knows talking about C.J. Stroud. Oh, really? Whether we could be bottom five. I didn't realize it was at that part of the season. I don't know who Kyle's friends with, but that's the thing that happened. Who's your friends, Kyle? I don't know, Kyle. Kyle,

break up with that friend. Is the TikTok camera still on? I never know. We turned it off. The Watchables. I only have one. And it's Eagles-Jags. It's so funny that Tennessee isn't one. Oh, hold on.

The Sunday marquee game is in Baltimore not Buffalo I forgot to say that yeah the watchables it's at Philly Philly is hosting the Super Bowl bound Jaguars of Jacksonville and I think this is an Eagles by three why can't I find

this game oh okay I'm gonna get this I said Eagles by five and a half. Oh, this is going to be your bet of the year. It's Eagles by seven. Oh, come on. Seven. Anyone watch football? The Jaguars are legitimately good. Hold on. Give everyone a chance to answer. I thought when the line went down to like three and a half today, right? When we didn't know about Herbert. And I thought that was like Herbert's playing. This is the line. Then Herbert, he decides to play and it went back up to like six and a half, seven.

I'm like, is anyone watching football? The Jaguars are good. So the Jaguars are the team that maybe we get two more weeks of value out of before people realize they're good. Yeah. I just, I know what's going to happen. I'm going to bet against and hate bet against these Eagles, and they're just going to kill me for the next 14 weeks.

Well, with that attitude. Oh, but back to that Monday game against Minnesota, didn't that feel like a playoff game? Didn't that feel like a first Saturday night playoff game where the inferior division winner plays against the better wild card and they just stomp them. I think we're going to get a lot of that Eagles all year. Well, you'll be happy to know that I realized there was a London game next week.

Oh, I said it was minus 280 that you'd forget. Wow. The only reason I knew was because Schrager is going to be in London next week, and he mentioned it. So it was in the back of my head. So I was like, which one's the London game. It is the Vikings versus the saints in London, England.

This is watchable because, because we're going to wake up and watch it. We have to watch. I don't know anyone who loves the London game more than you. I like it. I really do. Are you going to be in New York or LA though? You'll be back.

I'll be back. I'll be back in LA and I'll, you know, I'll make. I really do. Are you going to be in New York or LA though? I'll be back. I'll be back in LA and I'll make the volume real low. That's my move the night before and turn it to the NFL Network, whatever channel it's on. Is it on an app? Try not to wake up your wife. No, it's on NFL Network. Yeah. Schrager and Bonetta are there.

That's the key. Then you get nice viewing from 6.30am on. It's delightful. I have the Vikings favored by three over the Saints. Do we split this? Oh no, you get it. I 6.30 a.m. on. It's delightful. I have the Vikings favored by three over the Saints. Do we split this? Oh, no, you get it. I said three and a half. It's two and a half.

Oh, we split it. No, no, you get it. I get it. Two and a half. Yeah, I win it. That's what I said. Yeah, well, we still have more to do, but yeah, you won that.

You know, I don't like this version of Jameis. It's not quite a turn to TikTok. Yeah, it was more still have more to do, but yeah, you won that. You know, I don't like this version of Jameis. It's not quite a turn to TikTok. Yeah, it was more fun when he was either throwing picks or touchdowns. Now it's neither. Now he's just... Right in the middle. Yeah, now he's just kind of... They're just punting on fourth down with Jameis.

And he's got... It seems like he has good weapons. Sure. Yeah, where's the electricity? Once Michael Thomas proved that he was back earlier than we thought even though it's like three years later you figured they'd put up points

I mean the fact that Olave is actually good you would have thought alright this is an offense that'll score 24 27 points a game nope and I can't tell you could make a case that they've just gone against good defenses and that Carolina's defense is better than people realize.

So this would be the game. He had 353 yards past. I know, but it was a lot of they're down 15 or whatever. It didn't felt like, didn't feel like consequential yardage. Did you feel like that? I never felt like they were in the game.

No, I guess I'm just looking at their, no, the lobby was great. 147.e kwan smith at 105 it was michael thomas who really couldn't get started or jarvis i mean that fumble that kamara fumble just doomed them they really just didn't come back to me well we'll see this week because yeah i think this is if the saints offense has a chance to get going this will be week. They're saying they may cancel this game because the Queen, they have to go week three

of the morning of the Queen. Jesus. Yeah. So. Can you imagine having a I respect it either way. political figure that people would love this much?

No. Like a football game? Week three would be in jeopardy? I'll probably get hate mail just for wondering about this. Yeah. I have seven fairly watchables.

Browns Falcons, starting with that one, in Atlanta. And I'm going to declare the Falcons are just ineligible for the poop factor. They're super fun to watch. I really enjoy the Falcons. Drake London's really fun. Kyle Pitts is really fun. Cordero Patterson, he

not only looks like Dickerson all of a sudden, he was like hurtling dudes on runs. Leapfrogging defenders, I know. Oh, my God. Really fun. And I think Mariota is, I really enjoy him. I think the fact that he was sitting there. He fumbled that snap. That just sucked, right?

That was kind of like just did it for them. He fumbled the snap, and because I had money in the Falcons, I was like, here we go. It's another birthday anal probe for your guy, Bill. But no, Geno Smith had other ideas. Right. Well, stop betting the Falcons. They won today, so that was good. But in general, let's just

enjoy them. I don't know what the word is, but... I just thought the line was off. I usually bet when I think the line's off, and that one, they were favored by one. I thought they should have been favored by three because I think Seattle's bad. Well, they're're bad but some of these teams have such easy games on their schedule like the bears texans like you can't they win by accident and if seattle's yeah home game it's kind of it had kind of had to be today right well it had to be one of them but

you're right yeah you think frisky what'd you have for this line i I have Browns by two at Atlanta. You get this one too. I said plus one. It's plus three. It's a full three. I figured. I don't think people respect the Falcons, but I think they should.

Here's the thing with them. If they're down 10, they can go get a cheap touchdown with three minutes left. I like these underdogs that you know that they're not going to just score nine points, like the Jets. You know, the Jets today. Right.

Where they could just be bad and Flacco could have four turnovers and that's it. Yeah, the offense is stifled from the start. Oh, that Browns thing. I know you were bragging about not being on that bad lateral play at the end, but I just... I wasn't bragging. I was just... I was so happy I wasn't involved. Well, your friend Sal was involved.

I had the under on a teaser and other people had the Steelers on a teaser. And it's just disgraceful. I like, you know, we talked about like having blackjack insurance, you know, when they say insurance and you actually get mad at the dealer for offering you insurance. Like, yeah, just flip over the jack of diamonds and we're done here. So I would take it every time because on that play, I can just kick off lateral insurance. Yeah. I mean,

it can't be even odds, right? But you have to, it just has nothing to do with the game. It sucks so bad. It's as if it's as if they said, okay, everyone's bets are good,

but we're going to do one more thing. We're going to let a lion on the field and the lion eats the football and everybody loses there. It just, it's nothing to do with anything. I hate it so much. It should be worth like, yeah, you're right. Like two points, not, not six. It's so funny. It has fantasy implications. It ruined teases. In that case, it ruined the Steelers tees. Now they were looking to, they never went up field. It's like hot potato immediately. I'm like, Oh, this ball's definitely hitting the turf and it's going to

be gobbled up in the end zone. Go ahead. Here would be my counter. Did you put Mitch Trubisky in a tease? No, no. I had the under. In fact, I thought he... Oh. I was counting my money there. That's terrible.

I didn't like... I'm sorry, Sal. You didn't deserve that. I'm with you with the Steelers being a bottom five team, but I also don't think the Browns are two and one and really could be three and oh. Well, the Steelers are the team this year where the wide receivers run in the out and the

ball sails 10 feet over his head and he just stops running and all the life sinks from his body and he kind of has that like he just got a parking ticket. Remember like there was Arizona was that team that one year when the after Kurt Warner like every year there's that one team where the quarterback is just so unreliable. The receivers know it, and they're making business decisions over the middle.

If they know the safety's coming, they'll just duck out. They're just like, fuck this. I want to keep playing. The thing with Tomlin and Gray, all right, that's quite an achievement. You've never gone under 500, but this is the first year he has a quarterback. Controversy, and he's not handling it right. He's like, under no circumstances am I putting Kenny Pickens. Really, you haven't. If Trubisky, and I feel like you and I hung on to Trubisky longer than most people, if he's not going to run the ball, who needs his 14 for 21

for 180, whatever it is, without a touchdown, right? With his two picks. Yeah, you can get there anywhere with anybody. Yeah, he's stubborn. It's like our cousin Jimmy when you get in text arguments with Jimmy and you say, no, that's not what it was. And you're just presenting him evidence. He's like, no.

That's it. He has a press conference after every show. Yeah, that's very strange. Let's take a break and then then we'll finish the lines. All right, fairly watchable. Six left. Lions at Detroit facing the aforementioned not very good Seahawks. I think this is in the Vegas zone.

I have Lions by four and a half against Seahawks. I think you have a little birthday surge here in these picks because you're doing well. Or I was doing bad. I said three and a half. surge here in these picks because you're doing well. Or I was doing bad. I said three and a half. It's six and a half. How about this team who hadn't been favored in years before last week and now almost a touchdown over Seattle? I think the Lions have a good offense.

I'll say that. They can move the ball. It's funny. The announcer, they always do this when nobody's pressuring Goff, and the announcer always does the, you know, if you give Jared Goff that kind of time, he will pick you apart. And you want to laugh, but it's kind of true. Like, if he has time, he is good.

He'll find the open guy. If you pressure him, he completely falls apart. But if you don't pressure him, he's good. Like, you could cut a mixtape of Jared Goff just being awesome and none of them will involve pressure. Yeah, you just don't want him. You're not banking on him in the last drive down a few points, right?

You want everybody instead of him. But yeah, he's definitely serviceable and they're a fun team and you wish they would win more. With that said, neither of us are allowed to put them in a tease. This week? To be clear. Because Gino's going to wreck us, right? No. Jared Goff's not

allowed to be in a tease. Colts at home, they're going to play the Titans. I almost feel like this is a loser leaves town match, but I'm not going to say that in week four. I think the Colts are going to be favored. I think people are going to overreact to that Chiefs game because they didn't watch it. I do not think the Colts are going to be favored. I think people are going to overreact to that Chiefs game because they didn't watch it.

I do not think the Colts are good. I don't think the Titans are good either. This feels like a three-point game, but I think it's going to be Colts three and a half. Oh, good. Good. Talked yourself out of it. It's three, and I said three.

That's my one dead-on pick, I think. Henry looked good this weekend, or at least for the first three quarters. Yeah. Yeah, he's fine. They came out. They came out. We should have seen that, right?

Like the Raiders were favored in Tennessee and you knew there was going to be one of those teams like, oh yeah, we'll show you. And then, yeah, Henry set the tone early. I knew all the warning signs with the 0-2 teams and I just plowed ahead anyway.

I don't think I'm going to win money back on both of those teams because they both stink. I will win my money back on Colts Chiefs and on Titans Vegas. Well, we don't count on the two best teams by far losing in the same week, right? No, stupid. Chiefs and Bills. Although I don't know if I can put the Chiefs in that category right now because that's two games in a row

I wish they never really run the ball but now with the receivers a little you know iffy you definitely need to run the ball I'm not sure about Clyde I've always been kind of really really hesitant with Clyde it reminds me of the Sony

Michelle thing where they draft him in the first round. He's got to be good. Today was a game where they were just like, we're taking out Clyde. I mean, what is seven carries, zero yards? I think you're being a little tough on him. I don't know.

And he doesn't pass the eye test either. Kelsey had more yards rushing. Chargers are at the Texans. So Herbert's just going to be hurt for the next few weeks, but playing? That's it. Yeah. Until doctor finishes him off. That's it. This is

this game's dying to be teased. I don't I think it gets to six. Chargers by six over the Texans. I almost didn't want to pull the trigger on it, but no, good call. I went light.

I said four and a half. It's six and a half. So yeah, it makes sense. Well, listen, make your move. I mean,

what game are they going to win if they can't beat the Texans? You know, I didn't even see that Kyle and I did not. We, we got mad every time the Texas and bears came on red zone. I just didn't even want to know what happened in the game. I just didn't care. But did you know how the Texans lost? Did you see it? I didn't.

I wasn't watching, although I do feel like the red zone devoted way too much time to that. Way too much. I just turned away every time, but tell me. The red zone, if it's like neither of these teams will combine to win 10 games this year, we don't need to see them on the red zone.

Just tell us after if there's a play. That's the red wedding zone. We don't need to go live. Yeah, exactly. The red wedding zone. That should be channel 719. Right. Just two terrible teams.

Houston had the ball. Tie game. I think it was third and one on their own 30. And Mills threw a pick. And then the bears basically went two yards and kicked a field. But it was either headed to overtime or the Texans were going for a field goal. Mills through a pick. The bears are two and oh,

when adjusted fields gets to eight completions, let's scroll it, scroll it on the bottom of the screen. Yeah. The bears, it wasn't a lot of red zone for the bears. It was worth Texans. Pierce look good though. I think Pierce, Pierce has it. Scroll it on the bottom of the screen. Yeah. The Bears, there wasn't a lot of red zone for the Bears. It was worth Texans. Pierce looked good though.

I think Pierce, Pierce has it. The, the fantasy spending on him, I think might've been just, that was the guy that everybody, nobody had seen him run a down of, except like one preseason game.

And they've been like $28 on him. Yeah. Panthers Cardinals. I, I'm just telling you now, I'm going to have money in this game. It's in Carolina. I think this is the last week

to steal some value in the Panthers. The cards just continue to look discombobulated. What was the stat? Them in the first half, Warren Sharp had this. In the first quarter, outscored 31 to nothing this year. 14-0 against KC, 7-0 Vegas, 10-0 against the Rams.

And I think this Carolina team, I'm telling you, they're going to be in the playoffs at like 9-8. Nobody's going to understand it, but I like this. I have Panthers by two at home against the Cardinals. Well, there's even more value than you think. I get this. I said one and a half. It's one. Great. Carolina favored.

That's a fun one. I would say watchable. I think it's good. We're going to see one of these teams disappear this week. Yeah, I think you're right. I could have put that in the watchables. I could have put this next one in too, but it would have been ridiculous. Packers at home against my sad sack Patriots. And this line has to start with a seven. It's either a seven or a seven and a half. And's nine and a half. Oh, come on. Now I'm insulted. Well, they're fully counting on Hoyer or Zappi starting, right? Not even a chance.

Mack starts, right? If Zappi starts, I actually might bet the Packers. That guy should not be starting in an NFL game. I know, but on the other hand, I think the days of Green Bay putting up 40 and Lambeau are over, no matter what. On the flip side, they can run the ball. So if they have

a lead, they can finish it off. Last one. This last one probably could have been in the watchables, but I was just mad and spiteful about Vegas. Vegas home for the Broncos. And I have Vegas by one. Oh, I get this.

Oh, yes, I do. I said two and a half. It's two. Wait a minute. Let's count here. Five. It's five. Made a little comeback there?

Six, five. Yeah. Now you're going to have to make a comeback. You're losing, birthday boy. I'm losing? Yeah, this is, speaking of losing, this is the game I'm going to lose the most money on this week because

I'm unreasonably confident in the Raiders being good and the other way with Denver. So we know what's going to happen here. Denver's going to get out until like a 17-0 lead. If you bet on Denver, they should have a channel where they just never

show Ned Hackett PI. I don't want to see him. Every time you see him, you just lose confidence in whatever dead bird pity you had. He just looks so confused. It doesn't make any sense that he passed on a 59-yard field goal. He went for a 64-yard field goal week one on the road, the toughest place to play. I don't understand him at all, really. Not at all.

When they show him with the headset on, it looks like you should be arguing with him because you're in the Dunkin' Donuts drive-thru and you got your order wrong. And you're like, no, no, no. I didn't save Noah a latte. I just wanted a latte. And he's just looking at his thing, just completely confused.

Hold on. There's a drive-thru with Dunkin'. I didn't even know there was a drive-thru with Dunkin' Donuts. Oh, it's like six minutes from my house. Yeah. Wow. All right, I'm jumping in. There's a couple Dunkin' Donuts drive-thrus now.in' Donuts. Oh, it's like six minutes from my house. Yeah. Wow. All right, I'm jumping in. There's a couple Dunkin' Donuts drive-thrus now.

Wow. All right. Still won't sponsor the podcast, though. Is that right? I don't know. I don't think they do podcast sponsorship. It's only my single favorite sponsor possible, other than Miller Lite and FanDuel.

Really? That's it. Yeah, Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah, I don't know. Well, maybe if Nat Hackett gets a job, it'll all come together. What's going to the Poopfecto where your team's going to be?

Mm-hmm. If Dak's the QB, I wouldn't put them in there, but since it's another Cooper Rush week, although who knows, by next week, Cooper Rush might be on the cover of magazines. Right.

You're playing Wentz in Washington. No, it's in Dallas. Before you screw up, it's in Dallas. Before you screw up, it's in Dallas. Yeah. I said you're playing Wentz and Washington. Yeah, it's in Dallas. I know what team it's in. Wentz is bad.

I have the Cowboys favored by three. I said three also. It's two and a half right now. We'll see what happens there. How many times was he sacked once? Was it nine? Did I read that right? Under siege.

Nine sacks. 58 yards. Wow. That feels like a team that there's going to be some sort of firing tomorrow or Tuesday. Like Del Rio get fired or somebody. Yeah. A head will roll in the next two days. Anyone but the owner.

He gets the sack. No, he's fine. He's fine. Six a wrap. Robert Sarver has to sell the six. No, he's fine. He's fine. Six or out. Robert Sarver has to sell his team. Snyder's fine. Yeah. He's got to leave. Ogling cheerleaders, leaky stadium, everybody else has to go.

You can't make an owner sell unless everybody pressures him to the point that it's so humiliating for them that they just want to sell and get it over with. And Snyder can't be humiliated. Right. Well, maybe he'll be humiliated. I mean, boy, I'm so into my Cowboys defense. If the Eagles put him down nine times,

might be looking at 17 or 18 sacks for Mr. Wentz next week. That'd be great. Michael Parsons. Oh, we screwed up last week. Remember, we couldn't remember there was some sort of scenario. Right. It was the Giants, right? It was the Giants pick before traded it in the Justin Fields trade.

Bears took Justin Fields. You got Parsons' next pick. I couldn't remember who was telling me this, but yeah, I have a couple of Giants fans in my life. Schrader sent us. Yeah. Thank God. Thank God that went through that way.

I had a couple of Giants fans in my life who were like, yeah, it was us. Thanks for bringing that up. We were just baiting you. That's all. We needed you to admit it. Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks for bringing up the worst's all we needed you to admit it thanks for bringing that up thanks for bringing up the worst draft moment of the year

Tony's already hurt by the way I think he missed Tony he's missing tomorrow right Wendell Robinson I think is out yeah so Tony's good for he can play like

four straight practices and maybe a game and then he's good for about three weeks it's all that matters yeah this next poop fact the game is uh in Pittsburgh. It is Joe Flacco against Mitch Trubisky.

Is Wilson never coming back? Can he come back already? Maybe Wilson. Could be Wilson Trubisky next week, possibly. Yeah. I have Steelers by three. I kind of like the Jets. I get this too.

Wait. No. Oh, no, you get it. I get this too. Wait. No. What? Oh, no, you get it. I said four and a half. It's three and a half. You get that one. We're tied now.

I like the Jets. Oh, man, that's a bad game. That's just bad. Like you said, bad quarterback, bad game. What are we? Are we going to get lucky with scoring there?

No way. And Garrett Wilson got hurt in that game today, right? He did a little bit. I don't way. And Garrett Wilson got hurt in that game today, right? He did a little bit? I don't know. I thought he got hurt during that game. Because Jets fans can't have nice things. Yeah, they're screaming at everything, the Jets fans at the screen.

Wait, what's the over-under? There's one bet to make. 41 and a half. Go under there. I'm just not betting over-unders ever again. I should just think I should bet the over and go the other way. You're right. I built the offense today. I was like, oh should bet the over and go the other way. You're right.

I built offense today. I was like, oh my God, that's going to be 70 points. After last week, I got to stay away from the Pittsburgh under for sure. Okay. Giants hosting the Bears. Poopfecta. They're 4-1 between them. Possibly 5-1 after tomorrow. But Daniel Jones against Justin Fields. Automatic poopfecta.

I have Giants by 3. Alright, you get it. Damn it. It's exactly three. I said three and a half. You have the lead going into the night games. The Bears literally could be... One of these teams could be three and one coming out of this game or will be three and one coming out of this game.

Even if you beat the Giants, we still have to have a three and one team after this game. Crazy. Honestly, I had the Bears pencil for three wins all year. I thought they'd be 3-14. Sunday night, Chiefs at Bucks.

Mike Evans will be back. Not sure about Godwin. Julio Jones, he's like Sammy Watkins. He's like, Julio, stop playing. I can't believe it. What a shocker. I really thought he was going to make it out of September. I have the Chiefs favorite. You're right about that.

And I think it's going to be the Chiefs by two. I said two also. It's two and a half. You have the one game lead going into the last game and I have, I was off by one point. I'm nailing the last game. I'll tell you that much. What do we expect for this KC Tampa? Both coming off losses. This is

weird. I like the Bucs defense. I think this is every year there's that team that has like the up and down kind of lousy first month and people overreact to it. People should not overreact to the Bucs. They'll be fine.

Once they get their guys back, they're fine. Rushing yards for the Chiefs. Six and a half? Oh my God. It's going to be bad. This is all on the homes. This could be a Jarek McKinnon game. Yeah.

Monday night. 49ers at home come on after eight days of Jimmy G this is why they didn't want to bring them back stories playing the Rams of Los Angeles

and the Rams are going to be favored or the Rams are going to be getting two and a half points you got it. I thought it would be one, and it's two. You do it. Oh, I did it again. Happy birthday. I take the lead for the year. Yeah.

Ten to eight, you win. I couldn't beat you on your birthday. That's two. Thanks for throwing it. It was my one win today other than a couple Jacksonville bets. That's a good game. Talk about loser leaves town. I mean,

the Rams will be, have a dominant, even though not game wise, they'd have a dominant advantage. I think in that division, if they win, that's a really good game. That's one that, uh,

so we have for the late games next week, Cardinals, Panthers, Pats, Packers, Broncos, Raiders. That's it. We only have three. Which kind of sucks. Cardinals, Panthers would be good though.

But then those last two, Chiefs, Bucks, and Rams, 49ers, are both really good games. Lots of fun. And the Thursday night's a good one. And the London game's pretty good. We'll be all right. We'll back. We're not ready for Apple picking just yet.

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See CarMax.com for details. CarMax. Car buying reimagined. All right, Sal, take us home. All right, I'm on the road and so I have to check my kids' sports online. So there's an app called Game Changer. I don't think like when Ben played Little League,

they had it. Maybe they did. No, they had it. I was a subscriber. Yeah. Yeah. So like for Pony League Baseball, you could see the

you could see like the pitch drop down the ball it's how like daniel kellison watched the red socks at the man show like that you'd have before like you know you had the the ticket or whatever the package anyway the computer animated ball was hit the outfield and you see the kids names and it's fun except except when your kid you're watching gets hit by a pitch and there's no subsequent pitch for like two and a half minutes oh no and your wife isn't answering the a is everything okay text and then finally like after a while you do see that with someone else at bat and their kids on first base so that's uh that's number one that's a quick thing but um the other game I can't tell you how many times,

cause that the 2018 finals, I was there and Ben was playing, uh, like some, some baseball. I was in some playoff game, just staring at it, waiting.

And then you'd see the dots movie. It's like, it's so weird to my life. It's like, I've gone back to playing Atari here. Right. Yeah. Uh,

second thing, my oldest real quick. He played well yesterday or Friday. Defensive end senior year. I had a bunch of tackles, recovered a fumble. He was giddy after the game. Like, I don't know. Like, he was like saying words and he couldn't even, you couldn't even understand.

And he's a good kid. He's like one of the five kids that win or lose. He'll come out of the locker room after the game and say hi to the family and friends who made the trip to see him. They win 28-21. And I was like, wow, this is great. He's having a good time. And I asked him after the game, like, hey, you put on like 20 pounds, you can maybe play division three ball. Do you want to play? And he's like, nah, nah, I'm a little worried about my health and the implications. And I just want to know, is it bad that my first emotion was sadness? I mean, I know he's exactly right. I'm like, okay, I can't argue with you, but let me argue with you for a second. I'm really having a good time watching.

Doesn't that mean anything? And he's like, dad, come on. It's fine. But I don't know. I'm not going to push it, of course. And of course, he has to do what he wants, but is it better? What he wants to do is go to a big school with a big football program versus go to a Division III school and play for a program and ride the bench for two

years and get the shit kicked out of him in practice. I can understand that, but I still want him to play. What do you think? What a heartwarming moment for you guys. Yeah. Well, on one hand, I'm worried about my kid getting hit by a 40 mile an hour pitch as a nine-year-old, but then like, oh no, the other one's got to play football. I know I'm a mess. I'm all over the place. My son, it seemed like he got injured in the

game on Friday night. It was one of those he was blocking and the running back came behind him. And then the pile rolled into the back as he was blocking that we, you and I having watched a kajillion football games. Right. And I saw the pile rolling toward him and I was like, Oh no. And then he got up and then he started like hopping to the sidelines. I was like, Oh my God. But he was all right. The parent did my kid just get injured moment is

pretty brutal. It's weird watching it, right? Not a fan. A little bit of a car accident. My son's team's won three straight, by the way. Have they really? Yeah. Three and two. Big win. Homecoming on Saturday. Pretty pumped. That's the best. I have two. I have two, uh,

two short ones. One is my daughter was upset today that I didn't do an Instagram post for national daughter's day, even though it was my birthday. But does everybody have a day? What's going on with these holidays? What is national daughter's day? Every day is national daughters. My whole life revolves around my daughter. So she needs, now needs a day? What's going on with these holidays? What is National Daughters Day? Every day is National Daughters. My whole life revolves around my daughter. She now needs a day? It's not her birthday? It's not Christmas? There's now a third day that I have to do an Instagram post? Wait, when was it? Oh, you hate that it was on your birthday. Oh, it was the day before your birthday. I didn't even know what it was. What is National Daughters we just what what are we just making up days now yeah yeah well if ice cream has a day and like pot roast does i think our kids would have to have one at this point what can there be a podcast producer day i would love to do like we should

just make one up we should just do instagram posts for our podcast producers i'll do one for kyle you do one for your extra points producer We'll make it seem like we knew it was podcast producer day and nobody else did. Kyle, you pick the day. Pick the day. Yeah, why don't you do tomorrow, Kyle? National Daughters Day. Yeah, sounds great.

Happy New Day, guys. Every day is podcast producer day. Do it the same day as National Daughters Day and only post stuff about Kyle. I'm like, let's see if you get any backlash. It's National Daughters Day. By the way, I don't want to interrupt you, but your daughter put something

really nice about it. My kids would never put this about me. She's great. That's why I think she's good at Instagram posts. I think she was upset nobody acknowledged. Can't wait for our birthday cryo sesh later. Well, I think you would enjoy that you'll do couples

Instagram posts I don't me and my wife do not do like social media posts about each other yeah but you will

you'll get you'll get like a tiny bit sappy every once in a while I get my wife our anniversary and her birthday and then I try to stay away from all the rest of it

and then your mom does the other 360 days of the year on Facebook. No, she's a nut. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't know it was National Daughters Day today.

I apologize to my daughter and to my two female dogs. The other one is, so, you know, my wife's parents live a couple blocks from us. And my wife and daughter were in Arizona this weekend

because my daughter had soccer. So I brought our dog, Willie, because we have four dogs, and it's a little chaotic in the house. I was like, my in-laws love when one of the dogs comes over. So I was like, I'm going to bring Willie over on Saturday. I brought his food and toys. You'll have to sleep over with the grandparents.

Right. Guess what? Didn't really miss Willie the whole weekend. The grandparents loved happening. Now Mortensen Didn't really miss Willie the whole weekend. The grandparents loved half of them. Now Mortensen is reporting there might be a trade. We might just...

What? Willie just might move in with my in-laws. Yeah. Is this the one that was shitting all over the place and you were going to take him out? No, that's not.

No, somehow it's not that one. Yeah. Oh, wow. But yeah, Willie was super happy over there. He can guard the house and my mother-in-law was all excited.

And he's still close. And I don't know. We might split custody of Willie. We're talking about it. No, they'd be bummed. Everyone would be bummed. No? I don't know.

It's a nice thing. You know, my in-laws are in their 80s. Oh, good. All right. Have a little dog there. It's a little extra. Yeah. I don't know what we're talking about.

I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. So I feel like he could still be with us. But maybe he spends the weekends over there. Something like that. I don't know what the rules are. I feel like he could still be with us, but maybe he spends the weekends over there, something like that. I don't know the rules with dogs. Yeah, you have him on National Dogs Day. I was going to say, on National Dogs Day, I was going to do a tweet. Willie, we miss you, even though you're three blocks away. I think you're fine. Yeah, I don't know the rules on that, but it just felt like a win-win all the way around.

Murph seemed a little more excited to, he was like, I'm the captain now. Yeah. That's got a vibe today. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. All right.

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CarMax. Car buying reimagined. All right. What do you got to plug, Sal? All right. Yeah. Against all odds, minus three. Waver wired.

Making fun of sports covered in glory. We got it all on the Extra Points Podcast Network and Omaha Audio. And our cousin is in the booth, Jimmy Kimmel. Monday Night Football, Giants Cowboys. As if it's not nerve-wracking enough, he's going to be in the booth for a little bit. And you remember he was banned from Monday Night Football in 2007 for asking Joe Tho.

I went. I was in the middle of that. That's right, you were. Was it in Atlanta? You were there, right? No, it was in Seattle. It was? I was one of the people

pushing for it so i went with them when he went and you went too i think both of us went yeah we both were there right and then he yeah he what did he make a joke or he he asked joe theismann how his leg was which i think is very i don't know sincere right this is pre-social media but i think did theismann get upset or Enrico didn't like it? Maybe Theismann got mad afterwards, but he definitely laughed at the time. But the executive producer was like,

there's no room for that. They got really pissed. And now he was actually banned. I mean, this is his first time back. So we'll see what happens. Yeah, that was a shit show. Yeah. Now he's back.

Troy and Buck followed him from Fox to Disney, I guess. I don't know. Troy and Buck were great. Yeah. Chris and Al, again, like Chris with the punts today in the Denver game. Chris and Al. I mean, not Chris and Mike.

Chris just like, oh, Al. I just stuck here watching these punts. I was just thinking about what we had. Some of these games are so bad. I don't know. They can't get excited. There's not a lot of Gus Johnson moments in some of these games. It doesn't feel like now that Buck and Aikman are gone,

it feels like Romo and Nance are the only ones that feel like it's actually a national game. Like we had Pat's Ravens today. We had Joe Davis and Moose Johnson. That was our announcing team. And I think it was like the number two or number three Fox team. And every time I see Moose Johnson, I just think of Jeff Ross at the Emmitt Smith Ross going,

I don't have any more jokes because Moose Johnson stole all my shit. After Moose Johnson just did a non-joke 15-minute monologue for Emmett Smith. And I just can't get that out of my head, even though it was 20 years ago. No, keep it in your head. Yeah, I don't know. They're not getting...

I know you're a big Herbstreet fan, but these guys are not getting saddled with good games. Yeah, Herbstreet. I'll withhold comment this week. Okay, good. Yeah, Herb Street. I'm going to withhold comment this week. Okay, good. All right, Sal. Good job by you, as always.

Good job by you. Happy birthday, Billy. Thanks, buddy. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Kyle Creighton, our producer. Thanks to Dylan Berkey and Steve Cerruti as well. Thanks to Cousin Sal. Don't forget, new Rewwatchables coming on Monday night.

You're not going to want to miss this one. I promise. And check out the Off the Pike with Brian Barrett podcast about Boston sports because I might pop on there Monday or Wednesday if there are any new developments with the Celtics situation. I'll be back on this feed on Tuesday as well.

See you then.