The Bill Simmons Podcast - Blow Up the Clippers and Free-Agency Primer With Joe House (Ep. 232)

Episode Date: June 30, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on Joe House to discuss why the Clippers should hit the reset button (5:00), LeBron's L.A. suitors (14:00), the end of NBA tampering rules (18:00), Carmelo's fit in Houston (24:00), Blake Griffin on the Suns (29:00), Kyle Lowry on the Wolves (35:00), Andrew Wiggins's defensive problems (39:00), Gordon Hayward's chance to be a Celtic (44:00), Otto Porter Jr.'s market value (52:00), Paul Millsap on the Spurs (58:00), and Andre Iguodala's impact on the Warriors' future (1:04:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We taped the pilot episode on Wednesday. Nephew Kyle said it was the single greatest podcast he'd ever produced, which only mildly hurt my feelings because he's produced a couple of mine. House, you gotta be feeling good. Well, we can only go in one direction from this high, high, high, high point, and that is

straight down, but look, this is giving the people what they want, not to steal a line from our good buddies, Jalen and Jacoby. Yeah. But this is a food podcast

for the hungry people by the hungry people. We are already out in the Twittersphere belly sourcing. Some people like to crowdsource. We're going to belly source.

So many great suggestions already for topics, for guests, for themes. And we have already a wonderful array of guests lined up for the next six to eight episodes. Both the Ringer friends, Ringer staff, great food minds, great food cookers. So it's kind of lighting up. The stars are coming together.

Just this morning, David Chang texted us and said, I want in on House of Carbs. I want to come on. He invited himself on. People invite themselves on House of Carbs because it makes them hungry and they just want to talk about being hungry with you. That's what you do. You make people hungry.

I'll tell you a pro tip not to ruin too much of the pilot episode that's already been recorded, but we had on as a guest, Adam Rappaport from Bon Appetit. And during the conversation, Adam was going through a couple of very outstanding recent food experiences and some recipes. And I confided to him, I asked him for some suggestions on the right way to do a food podcast. I confided to him as he was running through the stuff that I was getting. I was starving. I hadn't eaten before the podcast. And I said, it seems like I should eat. He said, no, no, no. Don't you dare eat before the podcast house. You want to be hungry. You want to come away from that thing starving. So I really

appreciated that advice. That's really good advice. See, that's a veteran food podcaster, not being threatened by an up and comer, but actually helping out and looking out for him. So listen, everyone can subscribe to House of Carbs right now because the first episode is going to drop midnight, July 4th, heading into July 5th. So subscribe to House of Carbs. Go search for it on iTunes, on Stitcher, on Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Go check it out.

And finally, we're brought to you by TheRinger.com, where guess what? I wrote a column today. Yeah. I wrote a column today. Yeah. I wrote a column. I read it. I actually read it. I wrote a column about how to save the Clippers.

I pretended I was Steve Ballmer's second consultant after Jerry West. So that column is up on TheRinger.com. We're going to talk about it briefly on this podcast. We're also going to do a free agency primer and talk about the Chris Paul trade and Phil Jackson and some other stuff. But first, Pearl Jam. All right. here we go. Friday, 10 a.m., West Coast time.

So if anything happens, don't hold it against us as we're recording this podcast. I just want to tell a quick story of why I'm sick. Because I've been sick all week. Yeah, we were supposed to record an hour ago. And by the way, speaking of hungry, I deliberately did not eat lunch. So now I'm genuinely starving for this free agency hoops pod. I like a hungrier house

is usually a better podcast. What I never like is the satiated house is not one of my favorites. So I had to fly to New York on Monday morning. And I had like a seven o'clock flight so i had to leave the house i always cut it close so i'd leave my house at five i always try to get there like an hour before i don't fall asleep till like 12 12 50 and something like that yuck 2 30 my daughter comes in the room because dumb Willie shat all over the carpet in her bedroom. Oh, no.

2.30 in the morning. 2.30 in the morning, dumb Willie decides, I'm going to go into Zoe's room and take a big shit all over the place. Oh, Willie. So my rule with this stuff is always just let my wife do everything. That's been the rule with both of our kids because I'm just, if I get woken up out of a sleep i'm about the most incoherent useless person imaginable like you might as well just it's it's like i've had a lobotomy so my wife's up there

but she's yelling and she's mad and then she's mad at me that i'm not helping i never really fall back asleep and then I fly across country throw in me sitting next to the coughing guy that guy was there because of course it was like everything was pre-arranged by the time I landed that was it so I've been sick all week

but uh dumb Willie I love him but man man he's dumb. Why do they shit on the rugs? That's the part I don't get. Just shit on the floors. No, they don't.

They prefer the texture of their paws. I have a puppy. I have a 10-month-old puppy. He only shits on rugs. He doesn't shit on the hardwood floor. We had Rufus, God rest his soul. Rufus could have been on a basketball court, and if there was a one-foot-by-one-foot piece of rug on the basketball court,

he would have squatted over it and took a shit on it. Yeah. Anyway. That's what they like. All right, so sorry for my voice. That's why I'm sick. Blame dumb Willie. All right, we have a lot to go through here.

This is June 30th. Holy mackerel Where do you want to start? You want to start with Free Agency Or you want to start with Chris Paul? Say again? You want to start with Chris Paul on my column? Well you did a podcast already

About Chris Paul So we can sort of proceed with that Quickly Let's get your thoughts really quick Because I gave my thoughts on the ringer mba show and i i actually was really impressed that the clippers got what they got for somebody who was leaving anyway i thought uh the rockets played or the clippers played a little bit of poker there with the rockets because chris paul just could have signed there so to get two

pretty half decentdecent assets, Beverly on a good contract, Lou Williams on a good contract, they got a pick that will be in the 20s, but still at least it's a pick. They got Sam Decker, it's not bad. That's better than nothing. Usually you see the guy just leaves and the team doesn't get anything. It's much better than nothing, and I know that your column today is mostly tongue-in-cheek, but I actually

grew quite enamored of your suggestion for the trade with Philly. I think that the idea of getting Jaleel Okafor from Philly out to the Clippers and flipping back Jamal Crawford and Pat Beverly has a kind of brilliance to it. It's really, really great for Philly. That's the one element of this season that's coming up for Philly that they're kind of missing, which is the veteran stewardship, guys that have been around the block that can kind of teach them the right way to play. They have all these kids.

Covington isn't a brand-new player in the league. But Beverly and Crawford, Crawford especially has, in the last 18 months to me, achieved a kind of eminence. I believe that he is a very thoughtful person. We've seen him in a lot of different – he's become a lot more vocal than I remember him in his career. And I'm mainly thinking about him in kind of non-basketball-related media. But I have been impressed by Crawford. And it really started with J.J. Redick had him on when their season ended last year,

a full year ago, not this most recent season, on J.J.'s new podcast. And the two of them together were really contemplative and thoughtful. And I was like, damn, that's Jamal Crawford. He could be a coach. Yeah, he's a beloved teammate. I think when he retires, he could do whatever he wants. And, you know, I want to talk about the Clippers in a second, but the reason that trade makes sense for Philly,

instead of just going and overpaying some point guard, you get Beverly and Crawford together for like $18 million, $19 million a year this year and next year. Beverly is one of the best contract assets in the league and perfect for Philly because he can play off the ball and he's a good defender and Ben Simmons can still be the point forward. Crawford, this is what teams over and over again have screwed up. And this is why, you know, the Sixers fans are so excited right now and I don't blame them. They just went through four years of hell and now they have some assets but they're not going to be good

right away this has never worked where you just throw a bunch of young players and don't put anyone around them who's an adult it's never worked if anything it's it's backfired and it's gone really badly and you know you talk about the lessons of somebody like Durant and Westbrook in OKC when they brought in guys like Perk, Derek Fisher. Try not to laugh on that one. But it's good to have adults in the locker room. And not just for the professionalism standpoint, but for advice, for the big brother stuff.

And that's why that makes sense. But that piece was tongue-in-cheek, but it also wasn't because I actually really do believe that the Clippers should blow it up. I don't think it makes any sense to pay Blake Griffin four years, $130 million. From what I've seen the last couple years and from his injury history, I think it's just too risky. And even if he pans out, you're not beating the warriors with blake griffin and patrick beverly and deandre jordan and is there any chance there's no chance so no chance zero

chance i'm on record i mean i'm not gonna i have two things to say first i'm not gonna pat myself on the back for what seems to be a pretty uh easily reached conclusion i said eight weeks ago on one of our conversations that I think the Clippers should blow it up, and the Clippers definitely should blow it up. And they're halfway there. They can't really compete in the West, and they're halfway there. That's exactly right. The other thing I wanted to say, though, is my compliments for what you did

in today's article. That's the last time I'm down on my knees today on this podcast. All right, we'll fight the rest of the podcast. People give us a hard time for me agreeing with you too much. That's it. I'm back up off my knees. I'm not saying anything else nice to you for the rest of this podcast. But I want to give a quick – my quick take on the Chris Paul to Houston thing is –

Wait, hold on. Before we – What? Hold that for one second. So the four blow it up moves in order that were in the column, please go read the column anyway, because it's funny. Let Blake Griffin go.

Trade DeAndre Jordan to Milwaukee for Greg Monroe and a top three protected pick. Greg Monroe is an expiring contract. Trade Beverly plus Jamal Crawford's contract to Philly for Jaleel Okafor and a heavily protected first-round pick. And then trade Lou Williams for a first-round pick. Who will have value?

Everyone's going to want Lou Williams before the season during the trade deadline. He's a cheap scorer off the bench. You do all those things. All you have on the books next year is Austin Rivers at like $12 million a year and Wesley Johnson at six in an expiring contract, which you could stretch out if you wanted to. And that's it. And you would have basically a blank slate along with a top five lottery pick

with the best free agent class of all time coming. And LeBron, people feel really confident might go to la and wants to go to la and has his whole life potentially in la and they would just clear the decks for it yeah you've been saying it you think he's going to la i do so i'd clear the decks for it and not to spoil the column but my point was if this doesn't happen and he chooses not to come, then you go to plan B, which is move the Clippers to Seattle, which is maybe what they should do anyway. I think you could make a case. You're much better off being the number one team in Seattle than the number two team in L.A., but that's a story for another podcast. I couldn't tell whether that was a joke or not.

No, it's not a joke for me. I think the Clippers, I really genuinely, honestly believe they missed their window. I think they had a four-year window here to kind of steal the city from the Lakers, and they just couldn't do it. You know, like think of, I laid it out in the piece, but all the things that Lakers did terribly since 2012, it was a comedy of errors. They couldn't have played it worse. They did everything wrong. It was a comedy of errors they couldn't have played it worse they did everything wrong

it was a disaster and meanwhile the Clippers had two of the best eight players in the league and had in 2014 and 15 two legitimate chances to win the title that they blew and the window closed win the title you say it didn't feel like they were on the threshold of winning the title

in either of those years well they blew the Oklahoma City series in 2014. They literally blew it. And the next round, San Antonio beat Oklahoma City. But the Clippers had always played San Antonio. I don't know. They matched up pretty well. They beat them the following year.

And then 2015, they're up 19 with 14 minutes left against Houston. James Harden comes out of the game. He's checked out, and they blow it. The next round, they're playing the Warriors. It could be an all-timer. Yeah, it's an all-timer. It's an all-time what-if, too, because I think a lot of NBA history is different

if the results of that game. Man, I watched that game again. You and I, one of my first podcasts when I came back to this one, we did a rehash because I didn't have my podcast. I had already left ESPN. I had no outlet to talk about that game. It's an incredible game. I mean, not only do Corey Brewer and Josh Smith single-handedly win the game with threes,

which is ironic because they both suck at shooting three-pointers. They're just nailing threes. But did you know the Clippers missed 14 straight shots to end the game? It was the only way for them to lose. I mean, I don't remember it like a stat off the top of my head that that's how many they missed. Think how many that is. That's how you snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

You miss every shot. They missed 14 straight shots with seven and a half minutes left to go. They missed every shot they took from that point on. And that's how they lost. And Josh Smith, I mean, you could play that game, I would say, 100 times and 99 times the Clippers win. I'm throwing out the stupid win expectancy because I hate that. I'm just saying every single aspect that had to go right for the Rockets went right. And, you know, the Clippers go to the next round. They didn't really have a bench.

But they did have Matt Barnes that year, which people forget. So they at least had five guys. And I don't know. The Warriors hadn't really, you't really gotten over that hump yet. You could even see in the finals with the Warriors. Remember the first couple games, they had a little nerves, they were a little nervous. Maybe they could have beaten them, but we'll never know.

And it was still that rivalry between Golden State and the Clippers. It had that chippiness. Chris Paul getting into Steph Curry's chest was a thing then. And that was a different Chris Paul. I don't think he's that player anymore. What were you going to say about Chris Paul and the Rockets? Just that I think it's going to work, and I thought it was highly, highly, highly,

I don't know what the word is, funny, that Houston insisted on a particular strategy that delivered a wonderful result to them. That is, you know, shots at the basket and shots from the three-point line. And they were beaten by a team that insisted that they make mid-range jumpers. And then they went out and got the best mid-range jumper player in the league, you know, in the form of Chris Paul.

Hey, as you were talking, Jacoby just emailed me or texted me. I'm still reeling from the House of Carbs title and logo. I love it. I showed it to him 24 hours ago. He's still talking about it. People love House of Carbs. He was very nice on the Twitter. I gave him a standing invitation to come on.

So the Chris Paul thing, it's really interesting. First of all, tampering rules are dead. They're gone. They're just gone. It's just crazy. No, no, no. The players talk to each other.

This is insane. The players are allowed to talk. There's no tampering anymore. How does Houston know Chris Paul wants to play for them? They're not allowed to talk to him until July 1st. What are they?

James Harden told them. James Harden told them. No, Daryl Morey got a Ouija board. He figured it out telepathically. Oh, my God. The league is like, they're not even trying to police this stuff. It's incredible. What is there to police? The Warriors lured Kevin Durant last year, starting in February of last year.

This is way worse than that. This is way worse. This was Chris Paul deciding, without being allowed to talk to Houston, that he was going to play for Houston. What if Houston didn't want him to play? He talked to his friend James Harden. What's wrong with that? Oh, my God.

It's ridiculous. There are no tampering rules. They should just waive the tampering rules. Just say after the finals, everyone can tamper with everybody, because that's what's happening anyway. This is absolutely ludicrous. There are no tampering rules. They should just waive the tampering rules. Just say after the finals, everyone can tamper with everybody. Because that's what's happening anyway. This is absolutely ludicrous. It's incredible. I don't care.

It doesn't bother me. I'm not outraged at all by it. I don't know if I told this story on my podcast before, but I'm telling it. One of my favorite stories I've heard this decade was, I won't say what year. Because I don't want to betray the person who told me this, but there was a good free agent over the last few years. And Mitch Kupchak, everyone else is tampering and whisper campaigning and using players. And Mitch Kupchak's like this old school,

follow the book, by the rules kind of guy. So there's this good free agent, and the agent doesn't know that the Lakers are interested because they're the only team not doing the reaching out whisper stuff. At 12.01, when that player became a free agent, the phone rings and it's Mitch Kupchak. It's like, hey, it's Mitch Kupchak. We just wanted to express our interest in signing so-and-so.

It's like, meanwhile, the entire league had been talking to him for months. It's just like, I don't know what the league is doing with these tampering rules, but who cares? It's more fun this way. Chris Paul to Houston. One thing that I haven't read that I thought was an interesting wrinkle to this, they basically had to get that deal done the day it got done because they wouldn't have been able to really fit him under the cap after July 1st unless they made a whole bunch of moves.

The one thing they could have done that day, and this was like some glitch that was in the CBA. They could have basically bought out Ryan Anderson the last three years of his deal and stretched it out for seven years. And it's like 60 million bucks. And then re-signed Ryan Anderson. Can they still do that? No, no, no. This was this glitch that was going to expire that day that they figured out how to fix in the CBA.

So all the Rockets would have to do is stretch him out and then just bring him back, but his contract would have been able to be extended over the course of like seven years, and that would have enabled them to have the money to pay Chris Paul. But they didn't have to do that because they were able to make this trade. And for the Rockets, it's like, wow,

they gave up all these assets for this guy that they're going to sign anyway. Well, the key with getting him when they did was that now they have that giant exception, which is like, I think it's almost $12 million. They can basically sign players to replace Williams and Beverly. And they're going to be able to get a good free agent with one of those exceptions. Yeah, it put them in the running for this Paul George discussion. I mean, it's now possible.

I don't see it. Before it would have been impossible. I don't see it. I just think other teams can trump them. I don't disagree. I'm just saying, you know, the way it went down created the possibility. It puts them in the running to be able to get somebody of that Danilo Gallinari level of player. Can he get Melfat?

Man, he'd have to take a major cut. He's not going to do that. He doesn't need to. The other option they have, I mean, I think they really like Anderson because of his shooting. You know, he got exposed last year in the playoffs because they were so undersized, and they had to basically play him as a stretch five,

which was a disaster. This is incredible. Nene got hurt, and that ruined their season. Yeah, it was pretty fluky. Although maybe not fluky that Nene got hurt. But they could always try to trade Anderson too and put some extra first-round picks to try to get it done. So do you think James Harden and Chris Paul is enough? Because I don't. I don't either. There's one more move. Could be Carmelo. There has to be one more move. Could be Carmelo.

There has to be one more move. Could be Carmelo. Melo makes a ton of sense. I strongly endorse that as him rounding out the group. If I'm a Knicks fan and I keep reading that they're going to buy out Carmelo,

I would want to do a scent of a woman and take a flamethrower to that place because the guy's an asset. He could still score 23 to 25 a scent of a woman and take a flamethrower to that place because the guy's an asset. He could still score 23 to 25 a night. We're going to buy

him out? What the fuck are you doing? What makes the most sense for them to do with Melo is to wait. Just let this next week, let the chips fall where they're going to fall over the next week and see where teams settle in and then see what the market looks like and what you might get in return from LL. Yeah, no kidding.

This is what they're trying. Even James Dolan realized. He was saying to Phil Jackson, why am I going to buy this guy out? He's an asset. Let's just wait. Come February, if Houston's trying to get him or Cleveland or whoever, you're going to be able to get something for him. I would not trade Carmel.

They don't even have to really wait till February. They could do this in October or November. Shout out to Daryl Morey, though, because that dude has repeatedly landed stars. It's really crazy. Well, he knows that that's the only way to compete for a title. I mean. Yeah, but I mean, he's landed James Harden, Dwight Howard, when Dwight Howard was actually a star, and now

Chris Paul in the last five years? Three all-NBA guys that he landed in their primes or at the tail end of their primes when people didn't really see it. In a town where the Rockets play second fiddle, maybe third fiddle.

And he was pretty much on his last legs there twice. I would say he was on his last legs there the summer before the Harden trade when he stockpiled those picks and it turned out to be a shitty draft and it was like Royce White, Terrence Jones, all those dudes. And it just seemed like it you know, he wasn't going to, it just wasn't going to happen. And then, you know, like. At the end of last season.

Yeah, the end of the season before, so the end of the 2015 season. No, 16 season. 15, 16. Yeah. 15, 16. Yeah. When the Dwight thing backfired really badly, and it once again looked like he was on his last legs.

I think it would be funny if Carmelo went to Houston. Hey, house. Yeah? I want to talk to you about a sandwich. Oh, no. I'm hungry. I want to talk to you about Jersey Mike's. Oh, Jersey Mike's is on board?

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This is just, this would be my dream scenario for just me enjoying the players and where I think they should go. Okay? I like this. I like this. Blake Griffin to the Phoenix Suns. Four years, $130 million. I like the idea of it better than I think I'm going to like the reality of it. What's wrong with the reality of it?

You wrote this in the column today. He can only play 55 to 60 games a season at best. Right. And he has, to his own credit, reinvented himself. He can no longer play above the rim. It doesn't seem, I mean, I don't know where the medical science, but the Suns do have a reputation for a very innovative, forward-thinking medical staff and training group. Well, so do the Clippers.

Oh, wait, no, it's the complete opposite. Sorry. Maybe Blake in those guys' hands gets back some of that bounce. There isn't a long history of guys getting back their bounce. But what Blake can do is facilitate and be you know, be a kind of a double threat, triple threat as a facilitator. And they do have those nice young kids around there. Yeah. They do have some nice bets there, too. So I like the idea of it. I just worry that, like,

you know, a year from now, people will be like, we paid all that money for Blake Griffin and he can't play. I think he is a high ceiling, low basement free agent. And I wrote in my Clippers piece today, very similar to Amar Stoudemire in 2010, where you're getting him and if you strike oil, you're getting one of the 12 best guys in the league and you're getting an all-star forward and somebody who could be the focal point of your offense. And if it doesn't work out, now you're trapped with this injured guy who's destroying your cap i think two things that i like for the suns here one is that it's a little shorter it's

four years now five stoudemire is five years 100 four years that first year is great that's like new car sticker price and the last by the way he he can't play until December, so you don't get him for the first full year. True, and that's a real concern, and I wonder if that's going to affect his leverage with this stuff. But first year, new car sticker price. Last year, he's an expiring contract. So the only two years that are really a threat are year two and year three. And I think if you're the Suns, you have this young up-and-coming team anyway. You have Booker, who I think is special and really has a chance.

Me too. Josh Jackson might be special. Not sure. Still weird to me that him and his agents were so intent on pushing him to Phoenix over Boston when Boston is just a much better team and a better organization. And I'm not saying this as a Celtics fan, it's just like if you just want to win, why wouldn't you go to Boston?

It was like they were thinking about a better situation for him just minutes only, which is a weird... What's wrong with that? He has a very short window. Somebody on the ringer has made this observation. It's very astute, I believe. These guys on these rookie contracts have a pretty short window to go make their mark. And if you're blocked by a bunch of dudes, that's not helpful.

He would be blocked by a bunch of dudes in Boston. Tate, you're the tiebreaker. If you were Josh Jackson, would you rather have played for the Celtics or the Suns? I think I'm going for the future, so the Suns. And Devin Booker takes my shots. I just play defense.

But I understand what you're saying. Tatum's a better fit for the Celtics. Just be happy with Tatum, Bill. You guys are probably right, and I think this is a clear case of me just being a homer. It obviously is. He's going to get more minutes.

He gets to do Josh Jackson stuff. Low spotlight. You're right. I changed my mind. I think he made the right move. He doesn't want the spotlight right now, I don't think. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you this much.

I'm rooting against him. Hope he never develops a jump shot. That's not very nice. How dare he doesn't want to play for my favorite team. I like Josh Jackson. So, Blake Griffin to the Suns or the Heat? I hope that happens. I'm still a big Blake Griffin believer.

I think I love Sharks' point forward piece this week. I think you could run the offense through him. I wonder, as scary as it was to watch him become a below the rim guy for the most part this last season. I wonder if he can finally get healthy if that was an aberration. I just think, you know, if you're the Suns, maybe it's not four years, 130, maybe it's four years, 110 or whatever. But I think it's worth the chance, man. That's a really fun team if that works out. You got Devin Booker.

You got Josh Jackson. You got Bledsoe. You got Blake Griffin. You have a bunch of young forwards playing above the rim. It's a fun team. I hope that happens. What's your dream destination for Blake? I love him in Miami.

Okay. Why? I'm still blown away by the job that Spolster did last year, finishing the season at 30-11 with that team. And I think Miami is poised to make big noise this offseason. I think they're ready to retool. The big piece that I can't get my head around is what to do with Dragic. Because he was very important to that 30-11 stretch. I know

Tyler Johnson is a potential trade shit, but I don't know what the best version of Miami looks like at this stage. Because they have all these moving pieces. James Johnson is definitely going to move on.

He's going to go make a bunch of money. That's a mistake. He should stay. He's going to make a bunch of money for himself. I know, but they should try to keep him. He played well for them, and the training staff and the culture there, I think, pushed him to another level. People always underestimate that stuff. They think like, oh, all right, now I've figured it out, and they out and they go somewhere else and it's like no the reason you succeeded was because of where

you were and what your culture was and everything i i i'm biased with this one too but not uh not in a deleterious way i just don't know if hayward makes sense for them as much as griffin does because they already have a bunch of swingmen. Maybe the more swingmen, the merrier. But Blake, I think, could be a real impact guy for them. Put him with Whiteside. Run the offense through him. Have all those guys come on.

I don't know. I like that fit, too. I would love to see him go to one of those two spots. I think it makes the most sense. Kyle Lowry. Minnesota would be really fun for him. I don't know if he'll pick that, but that would be my number one choice for him. What do you have?

So the two things that I saw in reading up on what this free agency insanity might look like. In the first place, we have to figure out whether or not Lowry and Abaka are a package deal because of what that agent is going to try and do. I don't remember the agent's name, but he reps both Abaka and Lowry. Oh, Andy Miller, right, right, right. I love the concept of Lowry. Yeah. Oh, Andy Miller. Right, right, right. I love the concept of Lowry in Minnesota. I saw, I think Zach Lowe wrote about it a little bit. I think that is a super interesting team.

They become immediately, what would you say the ceiling is? Like a four seed? Maybe not a three seed, but definitely like a four seed with Lowry. A couple things with Minnesota, though. First of all, they'd have to trade Rubio to carve out some of the space. And I've got to be honest. If I was a GM, Rubio would be on my team. I thought he played really well the last couple months.

He's $13 million a year, which is nothing. He's a bargain. I think he's 26. And if I'm a team like Utah Utah and my choice is overpay George Hill or go try to get Jeff Teague or whatever to try to make Gordon Hayward happy, I would let those dudes go and just trade for Rubio because I like his contract and I think he's still getting better and he's a good defender.

So one of the problems with the whole Minnesota thing is that we found out last year that Andrew Wiggins just has a lot of holes in his game and I think he he's the classic like fantasy players and people who watch basketball on in YouTube clips think Andrew Wiggins is really good and the reality is he's a horrible defensive player. He's just horrible. This is where we're going to see, this is the true test for Tibbs, right? They were an abominable

defensive team last year. And he was a big reason for it and so was Zach Levine. You know, and both of those guys had more value than they should have. We all believed that Tibbs would come in there and teach those kids and it was pretty apparent he didn't have enough time with them nor did he have enough of the way of like on court assets

to help them understand the correct way to play defense the way he wanted them to play defense he could have that I think the Wiggins thing is really inexplicable because I remember I went to, they had this, when the four best teams played the year,

the Wiggins and B draft. And it was like Kansas and. Oh yeah, you went to Chicago for that. Who was it? Kansas and Duke. Kansas, Duke, Jabari was there and and Embiid, and Wiggins, and all these guys. And Wiggins and Jabari were matched up against each other.

And in the second half, by the way, I went to that game with our friend Hershey, Burke Magnus, and Connor Schell. Pretty funny. All the greats. Two of those three are now the the the direct reports to jen skipper anyway uh the the big thing i left that game thinking other than just being enamored with all of us were like what the fuck is that like it was like seeing a ufo um but but wiggins defended

jabari in the second half and jabari can get a shot off and i left that game thinking wow Wiggins defended Jabari in the second half, and Jabari couldn't get a shot off. And I left that game thinking, wow, Wiggins. I mean, that guy. That guy could be an A-list defender. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened to that guy. How is he a zero now defensively? All these stats are out that he's like one of the four worst defenders in the league.

Well, the other way to think of it, maybe he stopped freshman Jabari. Congratulations. Yeah, that's true. But he had all the tools, is my point. It was just this 6'7", super athletic swingman who seemed to have really good instincts, and now he's kind of a joke.

But I do think they need a vet. That's another team, like what we talked about, when you need the vet. uh that would be fun i how are lowry and abaca package deal that makes no sense to me who wants abaca that we don't know how old he is i love serge abaca but do we know how old he is that's what the internet be saying the internet be saying they're a package deal right now that's what that that is trying to do. I don't disagree with you. I was not that enamored of

Abaka. I love the idea of Abaka and Tucker so much in Toronto that before the playoffs started, I agreed to go ahead and wager on the possibility of Toronto as the EASA conference representative. I mean, it was not a bad idea.

It wasn't a bad bet. It was like we talked ourselves into it. We went on the podcast and went through all of the kind of reasons, and then Cleveland reminded us. The King reminded us of who sits on the throne. We make bets based on

good odds. The odds are out of whack. That's true. Yeah, we got 14 to 1, or 15 to 1. Yeah. If you played that series 15 times, maybe LeBron gets hurt in one of them. It was worth the odds. But yeah, it was disappointing.

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the the putters it's just touching those things when do you think this is the last time anybody used a handy wipe on one what about the arcades do you think they just wipe off the joystick like once every seven years they wait they wipe off the joystick never next time my son wants to go to one of those places I'm just going to suggest that we go to Haiti I mean imagine me in there after using a five star lotion you can cut that out that was good I liked it

alright more free agents hold on ready? Gordon Hayward All right, more free agents. Hold on. Ready? Gordon Hayward. So here's my question to you. Yeah. It's now 1045 West Coast time in LA.

Yeah. Right this second, where do you think Brad Stevens is? Oh, I like it. I think he's home FaceTiming with Gordon Hayward. I don't like that. Look, you know, one thing we miss out on here in the US that the Brits get right for the Premier League,

their run up to free agency, their version of free agency in soccer. They have, like, the crazy paparazzi. So, like, right now there would be paparazzi all outside of Gordon Hayward's house. He wouldn't be able to go anywhere today. And the same would be true of the Celtics and other suitors, you know? Like, I want to know what the flight plan looks like for flights from boston to utah today i'm interested in seeing how many flights you know what private jets are going across

i want to know whether any houses were for are up for rent in gordon hayward's neighborhood this week and i'd like to see if anybody named brad smith perhaps has done a short-term rental in Utah. Steven Bradley? That's the kind of stuff I'm into. I actually think they have – he had visits arranged with Miami and Boston, but I don't know if he was going to them or they were going to him or whatever's going on. It's – you know, the salary cap thing really screwed them and screwed a couple of these teams here with – the irony of irony is the Warriors kicking the shit out of everybody, knocked the cap down because they just had less playoff games.

And Cleveland too. Yeah, everybody. The two very best teams. Before the season started, everybody was like, God damn it. It's just Cleveland and Golden State, and it's going to be boring. There's no reason to play the regular season, no reason to play the playoffs. And then there was only one playoff loss

between those two teams until they met in the finals. Let me tell you something, House. This never would have happened if David Stern was still alive. That is a fact, brother. That is an absolute fact. Draymond would have been suspended again for last year's nut punch. And he ended Game 5. I was like, what? That happened an absolute fact. Draymond would have been suspended again for last year's nut punch. And he ended game five. I was like, what?

That happened a year ago. Now he's getting suspended again. The Cavs Boston series, unquestionably goes at least six. And after the Kawhi thing, I think five Warriors get suspended. Zaza gets suspended for three

games. And then Curry gets suspended for laughing. And I don't know. They just figure it out. But yeah, listen. David Stern knew what he was doing back in the day. There was no 89-game total playoffs in David Stern's era. No chance. Zero percent chance that those two teams,

there would only be one loss in the whole playoffs until they met in the finals. Zero percent chance of that. David Stern's cackling. He's popping a blunt and cackling. I have to have him on soon. He's kind of resurfaced as a media presence. I think he hates my guts. I'm almost positive, but

I would love to have him on and he can just be mean to me. Offer him a Jersey Mike. Maybe that'll help. Oh, Jersey Mike's. JerseyMike's.com slash BS. Are you going there right after we finish this? You know, there is one in the neighborhood here. I wish they could hear this and know that I'm coming. Just get ready.

So I can start making my sandwich now. Where's your dream scenario for Gordon Hayward? Definitely not Boston. Thank you. And definitely not Miami. Thank you. And definitely not Miami. Yeah. I don't want him in the East. My dream scenario is that he stays with Utah.

And I think that they have some interesting stuff going on there in Utah. I was really, really super-duper impressed with Quinn Snyder this season. And I think, you know, playing with the defensive player of the year, I know that Draymond won it. Draymond deserved it. But Gobert was 1A there. Playing with a guy that changes games defensively, that's got to be fun. The big open item for them is point guard,

and it doesn't seem like they're going to be able to afford to re-sign George Hill, and maybe that would be a blessing in disguise. Your little nugget there of Ricky Rubio to Utah, that is very interesting. They still have Derek Favors at an awesome contract. He's cheap, and he just needs to be a little more durable and a little bit better than last year. And they still have some nice veteran players around. I want Hayward to stay in Utah.

That's my personal take on it. I wouldn't be mad at it. I really wouldn't. Because if he stayed there, you know, if Stevens... He can sign a three-year deal. The thing for him is that 10 years of service that's in the current collective bargaining agreement, it gets him up. And in that time, if he makes an all-NBA team,

because that really hurt Utah, him not making the all-NBA team this season. I voted for him. If he gets 10 years of service and the all-NBA team in the next three years, that's the mega doozy contract that he can get. You know, if it wasn't for the Stevens connection, I think he would resign with Utah.

I don't see him going to Miami. I know I'll probably come to regret this when he signs with Miami in five days, but I really think this comes down to Utah versus Stevens and the connection he has with the guy. And if Doc Rivers was Celtics coach, I don't think the Celtics would have a chance. So, you know, if he stays there and he's with Gobert and they figure out what to do with

point guard, I do not think the answer is George Hill. They re-sign Joe Engels and they have no chance of winning the finals. I mean, what do I tell you? They're not beating Golden State with that team. No, but both those guys are young. The point is to get better.

The point is to play in a place where you're going to get better, get those reps, and then let, you know, you can't conquer the fates by, you know, choosing what's best for you in terms of what's in front of your nose. And a three-year deal, you know, that's the neat thing that these players have come to realize. It's not necessarily the case that they have to go get, you know, the longest deals possible. You know, the super-duper stars have been signing two-year deals and three-year deals and maybe in some instances four-year deals, and it's worked out for them.

Did House of Carbs end up with the Nerdist Podcast Network or Podcast One? No. You know One? No. You know why? Right. I didn't even know what the F you were talking about. Because we're boys. Never heard of those things. What is it?

You know why House of Carbs ended up on the Ringer Podcast Network? Because you and I are friends. Yeah. And Brad Stevens and Gordon Hayward are friends. And that's why I think he's going to be a Boston Celtic. All right. Otto Porter. I'm not. All right. Otto Porter. I'm not wishing you luck.

Otto Porter. Oh. Otto Porter. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Go ahead. Carmelo says, I'll waive my no trade clause to DC. The Knicks say, we'd love Otto Porter.

Sign and trade Otto Porter to the Knicks for Carmelo Anthony. Are you excited? Shit, probably. I have to admit it. Here's the thing. It's a very weird moment. Yet another inflection point for the Washington almost bullets. We are just off the heels of the very best season in 40 years. 40 years, the

best regular season, and the playoff run was wonderful. It was illuminating. John Wall validated everything that he'd been pining for in terms of recognition. And his ascendancy made an all-NBA team deservedly. And he wants respect. And God bless. They're on paper a 50-win team, a 50-plus-win team in the East. With the guard combo and Beal and Wall are healthy, can go up against anybody. I don't know how many teams in the league beat

both Golden State and Cleveland last season. Washington did that. This Porter thing is such a conundrum because of... Let me interrupt you for one second. It is a conundrum that you have faced for whatever reason over and over and over again as a Bullets Wizards fan.

The young guy coming up who's now eligible for some contract that he probably doesn't deserve. And you're kind of screwed either way. I don't know how many times this has happened to you. Well, I mean. We're going back to the Cal Chaney. Let Larry Hughes go. Yeah. Which is probably fine. It was the right decision to let Larry Hughes go, which is probably fine.

It was the right decision to let Larry Hughes go 10 years ago. It was the wrong decision to re-sign Antoine Jamison after you re-signed Gilbert. Now, Gilbert, you had to gamble that he was going to come back from that knee injury and be able to resume what he had been doing. Well, go back further. What about Rasheed Wallace? That was a win-now moment. Rasheed Wallace became my man Rod Strickland. You knew you were going to have to pay Rasheed at some point,

so you did the win-now move for Strickland. Which made a lot of sense. You did the... I don't kill him on that one. Oh, Jawan Howard's getting courted by Miami. Whoops, it was an illegal offer. Oh, let's keep him for crazy amounts of money. Well, that was David Stern. David Stern gave one out to his

boy, A. Poland, back then. Bradley Beal last year. He's worth the max. Money has gone crazy. They did the right thing. That's what I'm saying. It's a conundrum. It's worked out for you sometimes. Other times it has not worked out. I would say Bradley Beal, it's worked out so far, but he might be

in a hospital bed in five months. Who knows? The guy's had trouble staying on the court. Listen, he's had trouble staying on the court. I think if you did that one over again, no-brainer. you would absolutely do it but I

if you can get 75 games out of Brad Beal every season and you know part of the thing that went into the Brad Beal analysis is

he is done growing finally and you know he had a different training regimen last summer that apparently

paid dividends he was on the court 74 games I think this season he played, which is a perfect number. That's all we need out of Brad Beal. I went to Game 7 Celtics whiz, and I literally watched the hair sprout from his chest.

He left that game with a nice... He became a man in front of your own eyes. He left that game. He had pubes. He had chest hair. It was great. He He had pubes. He had chest hair. It was great. He had armpit hair. The whole thing.

It was a full puberty performance by Bradley Beal. Congratulations to him. Otto Porter for Carmel. You know what I wouldn't break my heart with Otto Porter? It would be a sign and trade. Because I think that Kelly Oubre could be next season, as soon as next season, like 64 cents on the dollar. I agree. For Otto.

Preaching the choir. But I think you need to turn Otto into something. I would not pay him 100 plus million. There's some guys being thrown around in the 100 plus million range. Like Contavious Caldwell Pope. People like that. Tate, you watch basketball. Ever watch Contavious Caldwell Pope and said to yourself, when's he coming to town? I'm getting

tickets. Yeah, never. No, Georgia was probably the highlight. Definitely not with the Pistons. Never with the Pistons. The problem with Otto is somebody's going to put a sheet in front of him. Okay. And you can't just let him go.

You could stretch Jan Mahimny for the next seven years. You realize that? I'd like to stretch him back to France or French Suriname or wherever the F he came from. God damn it. Couldn't get on the court in the playoffs.

We just needed a body to go out there and play. Just play. I don't know what to tell you. The legacy of this year and the contracts we've had, or the contracts that teams have tried to get out from under and all that stuff, is just how reckless those deals were. Last season, we'll go down in the history, in the annals, and then in my case, the anals, of extraordinarily short-sighted lack of imagination.

You understand that Jan Mahinmy was the big free agent signing for Washington after striking out on Kevin Durant, who never even came anywhere near Washington, and Al Horford, who they had a genuine chance of getting. And look at the price that Boston paid for him, how great that contract looks now. I would do it again. Of course, so would Washington if we could have beat out Boston. I just never, having followed the league for my entire life, I just never understood the mindset of,

oh, we have money, we've got to spend it. Think of all the guys that got paid last year. I mean, you would have been better off not spending any money and then being able to cherry pick the guys who are going to be available this year, like Rubio. That's a fact. Or Lou Williams. Absolutely true. Or, oh, you need to trade Eric Gordon to go sign Chris Paul?

We're sitting right here. Trade him to us. Or Kemba Walker. It would have been 10,000 times better to have let free agency happen in July and then sign somebody like Nene. Nene just played for Houston for like a million and a half. I know. And was the single reason that they, well, not the single reason,

but a determining factor in why they ended up losing to the Spurs. Him getting hurt changed the outcome of that series. It did. It was the tipping point injury for them. And you know, Bogut for the Warriors in 2016 was a little like that too. Sometimes it's not the injury and the caliber of the player itself, but it's like a Jenga stack. And you pull the one wrong piece out and the whole stack just kind of gets screwed up. And the Warriors, it's like the whole stack just kind of gets screwed up and

the warriors it's like all of a sudden they were too small and they couldn't protect the rim um but bogus unrestricted free agent right hold on let's let's start tate some red meat because he's been producing this podcast all day how happy would you be on a scale one to a hundred if the if the hornets traded kemba and turned the team over to Malik Monk. Like Monk plays the point guard? Just whatever. Monk becomes the creator facilitator. I want

one year of Kemba-Dwight pick and roll. Okay. That's all I want. One year. See if it works. Because you hate yourself? No, just because I want to see if it would work. Has it ever? Has Kemba ever successfully run the pick and roll? Yeah. He can run it with Cody Zeller.

With who? Cody Zeller. House. That's your sample? It's tough times, but I think he can try it for one year. He's an all-star now. All the players love him. He got that sportsmanship award.

Kemba? He is a great guy. Everybody loves him. Everyone loves him. Send him to New York. May that moment live on forever. Tate saying, I want one year of Kemba and Dwight pick and roll. We're not going to let him forget it.

Let's cut that out. I might tweet it out. I might tweet it out as a quote right now. I want one year of Kemba, Dwight pick and roll. That's the best. What about Kemba, Dwight, part and roll. That's the best. What about Kemba Dwight fart and roll? What about that? With who?

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We're overdue. I'm now holding out until they get rid of Blake Trinan. I know that's very deep Washington silliness, but I'm not. They have a historically bad bullpen, and my feelings are hurt. Paul Millsap? Where do you want him to go? San Antonio. Oh, I was hoping you'd say that. I think he'd be perfect for them.

You'd keep Aldridge and Millsap? I would get rid of Aldridge. His welcome has worn out. Whether you could still get contribution out of him or not during the regular season, probably so. But the Spurs fans flipped on him so quickly, and he just stunk in those playoffs. I think it's a hard spot

for him. The Spurs are quietly on the sidelines. They're going to do something. I really think Millsap is exactly their kind of guy. I wonder I still think Aldridge on the right team with his head on straight, with the right

coach in the right offense is a real asset. I think one of the reasons So who is that? I don't know. I was trying to figure that out and could not. Could be Miami.

Wouldn't Miami might be a decent fit for him. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. I just feel like the way they used him

and he's definitely a diva, there's no question, and that was always the rap on him going back to Portland is he's always figuring out what's in it for him. Why is this guy getting attention and I'm not? And the Spurs were kind of hoping you put him in a Spurs culture and he'll fit in and he'll buy in. And it's pretty clear now that he didn't totally buy in. He wanted more post-ups.

It just didn't work. They properly asked a lot of him. They asked of him to be the player that he walked in there saying he could be, and he just wasn't up to it. No. And, you know, he's kind of become a stretch forward as a rebound for a lot of money. I think he's better than that.

If I had him, I still think he's a devastating low post player when he wants to be. You know, there's really not a lot of those guys left. Milwaukee, every time they threw it to Greg Monroe and he really wanted to score, the guy was unstoppable unless, like, four guys in the league were guarding him. You know what's crazy? You know what I think his single best skill is? His mid-range game. I think he's awesome from 12 to 16 feet.

Well, that's what I mean. I'm not talking about low post in the traditional Kevin McHale way. I'm just saying you throw him the ball. I guess low post is the wrong word, so maybe mid-post. But he's really good at it. He can't keep up with Harden and Chris Paul. He can't go to Houston, right, because he can't run well enough? I mean, that team might not be running as much.

I don't know what to make of Millsap. He's 32. That's the problem I have. It begins and ends right there. But I like your Spurs call. I think that's a good one. I thought Denver would have been interesting too if they could have figured out how to, you know, because they've...

Good veteran presence. They have the asset. They've been shopping for a four. Yeah. Putting him with Jokic. Something fun about that. You know, another guy I was thinking for Denver was Rubio. He could be really good for them. Put the Rubio-Jokic combo. Now you have like

two passing geniuses on the same team. Now everybody's looking for each other. I thought that would be fun. One more. One more guy for you. Quickly, I'm starving over here. Oh, what happens to Iguodala? The Golden State Warriors do the correct thing and give him what he wants, pay the man, and face whatever the most unprecedented tax in the history of the league is because no franchise is more valuable than those sons of bitches, and nobody's made more money than those dudes over the completely, now look, I was going to call it lucky. To some, you have to give them credit for having a vision,

but also lucky because they've had a sustained run of health that also feels kind of unprecedented over the last three years. Just pay the man and pay the tax. That's my answer. I think I agree. Are we sure Andrea Goddard is still going to be an impact guy over the next couple of years? It kind of doesn't matter. I think it does matter, though. Are we sure Andrea Godala is still going to be an impact guy over the next couple years?

It kind of doesn't matter. I think it does matter, though. The point is— Let me give you the counter. Go ahead. Go ahead. They have the second best player in the league, although you could argue after the finals maybe he's 1B. They have Curry, who's somewhere between 4 and 6.

And Klay and Draymond, who are somewhere in the 15 range. People are going to want to play with these guys. Every year, they're going to be able to just cherry-pick veterans who are chasing a ring, who want to be a role player, who just want to pass through. It's going to be like the 60s Celtics. 60s Celtics used to do this. They'd just grab older guys, add them to the team for a year.

They'd do it in a ring. I wonder if McCaw can fill some of the Iguodala role, and there's some old dude they can sign for one year just to kind of do it. Vince Carter. Oh, Vince Carter. That's not crazy. That's Vince Carter. That's not crazy. That's the guy. That's not crazy.

Could your blueprint basically be, we're paying these four guys and that's it, and then we're doing role players the rest of the way? I think it'd be very dangerous to give him a big contract. And the problem for them is somebody's going to pay him. He's valuable. He's still a valuable swingman. He's a great locker room guy.

My prediction is they're going to play poker with him and bank on the fact that he's this very ambitious guy who's got all these different things going on in Silicon Valley and all these media empire stuff, and he's not going to want to go to Milwaukee. He wants to be in the mix where the action is. Well, the other thing, can't understate this, loves the golf, plays a ton of golf. San Francisco has, among the country's very best, some outstanding options.

I need to get him on the Shack House. I need some Iggy time on a Shack House podcast. But that whole lifestyle, everything about living in San Francisco, right? The thing that made Kevin Durant, tip for Durant, I believe, ultimately, he just wanted to live in a cool place. Right. The other thing with Iggy, I'm looking up how much money he's made. He was on a $12 million deal.

He's making more than Curry last year. Yeah, he's already made over 110 million dollars because he had the big philly contract which was over 50 oh over 75 million and then the where's contract you sign that doesn't mean he's not going to make a decision for money but he might decide take a pay cut take less but um with golden state i'm on the best team My profile is the highest possible it can be, and this allows me to do all these other things. But I just don't see them paying $12 million to $15 million a year for him. I don't think it's realistic.

So maybe he'll take the hometown discount. If somebody's smart and they have the cap space and they need a veteran guy, and it's somebody that can push them from 42 wins to 50 or whatever. Like on July 1st, they should put his feet to the fire. Here you go. Here's $60 million for three. Oh, you like him for Washington?

I wouldn't rule out the Warriors with Paul George in a year, just for the record. Just not ruling them out. Goodness gracious. Just they can't be ruled out. I'm ready to get to that. I don't think any marquee free agent that's not LeBron or Westbrook can be ruled out with the Warriors over these next couple years. You just can't. All right.

That's it. Good. Jersey Mike, I'm coming for you. I think we covered everybody. Do you think Curry actually gets the max on Saturday? Apparently they're going to give him the $200 million right on Saturday. Is that true? Because Aisha wanted it?

That's the word on the street, but I don't know. I feel like Durant deserves a max, too. So who gets it, and how does that play out? Durant can sign one-year deals until he wants to be done signing one-year deals. House, if you were Cleveland, would you have traded Kyrie for the fourth pick, Eric Bledsoe, and Bender? No. Would you have done a Tate? No. Eric Bledsoe and Bender? No.

Would you have done it, Tate? No. I think Kyrie's the best. I would not have done it either. Would you have rolled back this year's team? Because that's what they're doing. That's what I would do. That's my number one recommendation. That's what I would do too. There's a couple bit pieces that might make a difference on the margins.

Like Korver didn't give them anything. Darren Williams was limited. Channing Frye basically couldn't get on the court. Like all those guys are replaceable and you might get something out of those spots. Yeah. But otherwise just, just roll out the same team.

Yeah. My thing with, my thing with Cleveland is this they're going to be in the buyout game for Carmelo and Wade in February don't panic now it's a long season all that matters is February, March, April, May, June

they really played well in that finals and the Warriors were just better the Warriors were completely healthy the thing that is a nut cruncher is if they hadn't The Warriors were just better. The Warriors were completely healthy. The thing that is a nut cruncher is if they hadn't choked in game three, that series could have been an all-timer. I watched it.

I watched it last weekend. And, god damn, that was a choke. It was a choke. They were up six. And JR had a wide-open three that instead of just taking it, he hopped like five feet to the left and took an off-balance version of the same wide-open three he had. And then they just collapsed defensively. They choked on the two-on-one.

It was a choke job. And it's funny because, you know, this has happened in the finals before where the right team won won and they won in five and it was pretty decisive. And yet you go back and you go, man, if one thing had happened differently, I don't know what happens in the series. You know, like the 09 Magic Lakers,

which everyone now remembers as the decisive Lakers victory and it actually wasn't. No, Courtney Lee. Well, that was game two. But then game four, remember freaking Jameer Nelson? They're up three with like 40 seconds left, and he's 40 feet off Derrick Fisher who just launches the tying three. It's these little moments like that that flip these finals

that are closer than we remember i think the worries would have won that finals but the calf should have won game three and they decisively won game four i think the longer that kept going the better chance i had because they had two guys that the words couldn't stop you know kairi it's true Kyrie was just even in that game three like oh my god I just can't get over the shots he's making the Warriors thought

the same thing yeah so anyway my point is do not trade Kyrie okay good we're on board I have to go I'm dying

daddy needs some food alright House of Carbs July 5th. Who are the guests? We have Adam Rappaport, Bon Appetit editor-in-chief and food dilettante extraordinaire. Juliette Lewis, we are bringing back a version of what used to be. You really are hungry.

Juliette Lewis. You really are hungry. Juliette Lewis. California style. Is she going to talk about Cape Fear? Kate, edit this. No, we're not

editing this. Kate, do not edit this. You mother effer. Are we going to talk about Cape Fear?

I'm sending Juliette. What does Juliette like to drink? I'm sending her a case of her very best beverage.

Are you talking about Juliette Lewis or Juliette Litman? Which one of them likes to drink? Son of a bitch. Damn it. Well, we about Juliette Lewis or Juliette Littman? Which one of them likes to drink? Son of a bitch. Damn it. Well, we know Juliette Lewis likes to drink. I'm saying Juliette Littman.

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So that might be, but I might come, I'm working on it. It's a work in progress. Don't forget to go to TheRinger.com. Check out my Clippers column. And then here's the schedule for next week. We are going to do a podcast on Monday, the day before July 4th.

If something insane happens over the weekend, I'm making nephew Kyle come in with me and we're just going to do a Sunday pod. If there has to be an emergency pod, if the bat signal is sent, we will be there. House, you're going to

be involved. I'm going to make you come on. I'm always available. You know that. All right. Say hi to Jersey Mike for me. Enjoy the weekend, everybody. On the wayside I don't have On the wayside I don't have