The Bill Simmons Podcast - Boston Gets Revenge, Draymond Chants, and Utah Trades With Kevin O’Connor. Plus, a ‘Stranger Things’ Review From Zoe Simmons.

Episode Date: June 9, 2022

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin O’Connor to discuss the Celtics’ Game 3 win over the Warriors, Jaylen Brown’s impact, Steph Curry’s consistency, the Boston crowd vs. Draymond Green, Game 4 adjustments, and more (1:07). Then, they discuss other NBA topics including the Bulls’ interest in Rudy Gobert, fake Donovan Mitchell trades, Kyrie Irving’s future, and more (41:45). Finally, Bill is joined by his daughter Zoe to discuss Season 4 of ‘Stranger Things’ [SPOILERS] (1:00:24). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Kevin O'Connor and Zoe Simmons Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It is 12.04 ET. I guess it's Thursday now? It's Thursday. Kevin O'Connor is here. We just attended game three of the 2022 finals, a game that as we were walking back home, my dad said, thank God you got him for the podcast because I got nothing left.

It's midnight and I just want to go to bed. It was a draining game. This Celtics team, man, 21 games in the playoffs. And this game was a, was like an appetizer sample plate of what it's been like to go through this with this team for the last two months. They looked amazing. It was all coming together. They're running. They're up early. It looks like they're going to go up by 30. They let the other team back. Nope. They're up again. Halftime. Feeling

good. Not awesome. Should be up more in the third quarter. Completely fall apart. One of the dumbest quarters I've seen them play all year. Blow the lead. Lose it. Blow the lead. Seven-point play by the Warriors. Oh my God. Are we going to blow this? And then all of a sudden, they get their shit together. But as they're getting their shit together, balls flying around. There's loose ball scrums that are like rugby matches. You just never feel safe with this

team, but I think that's why I love them. It's like an S&M relationship, KOC. I've never done S&M. I think this is what it's like. You're just tortured. You have like the nipple clamps on. Were you inspired by the guy who had the wrestling mask on today? Is that what made you think of this? Machine and eight milliliters come.

I've never seen anything like this team. Did you ever feel like they had this game in hand? No. Three minutes left? Of course not. Never, right? Well, you can't feel that way, first of all, against a team with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson,

especially at one point when those guys looked like they were going to light it up. And Klay did get some pretty open shots off those screens and handoff actions in the second half. It's just not all in there going to go. Sometimes that's what it is in the NBA, make or miss. And ultimately, though, for Boston... Did you just make or miss cliche me?

I did just make or miss. It's early. I was going to say that two minutes from now. It's the truth, Bill. But ultimately here for Boston, though, once again, a resilient team, right? I mean, like that seven-point play in the third quarter as part of a 12-0 Warriors run when it went from, I believe it was a Celtics lead by eight at the time. And then it was a 12-0 run.

It was 82-71 at the time. Then a 12-0 Warriors run that made it 83-82. But right after that, Celtics had an 11-0 run. It was 82-71 at the time, then a 12-0 Warriors run that made it 83-82. But right after that, Celtics had an 11-6 run. It's just up and down constantly. And I mean, for Boston, though, I think even despite those runs, they felt like a more prepared team to me, the way they were

attacking the Warriors. They definitely went bigger. They were doing this thing where they took Williams out, basically at the three-minute mark of the first and third quarters so that they could go a little smaller and then bring him back with some size because the Warriors don't really have a backup center. But the fact that Curry and Klay felt like they made 53s in this game,

they really only made 11. They were allowed 11. But I don't know if they get that Klay game again. Russell and I talked about him in game two and I was like, I think there's going to be a game in this series where he doesn't have it and they're going to have to bench him in crunch time. The guy that bench was pool. They played clay over pool, but it was the same kind of thing where they tried to have some defense and some size. They didn't have rebound. I mean, the big story of this game, we're said 31 rebounds. Celtics

had 47. They'd 15 offensive. It felt like they found something with Rob Williams and Grant together. That worked really well. And Rob looked like I said to Rosselli, he was like 67% and roll for the Warriors when Steph Curry faced a drop coverage by the Celtics, which has been weird to see Boston doing that as much as they have. But in this game, they were playing up a little bit higher with Rob Williams. I thought he did a really good job. Except for the third quarter when they dropped on, it felt like 15 straight Warriors made threes.

And not all of those. I thought E-May was going to have an aneurysm in the sideline. It's strange how they've decided to go with that type of scheme on defense against the greatest shooter of all time. And yet, you say, well, if you switch screens, well, then Steph Curry is one of the greatest isolation, most efficient ISO scorers in recent league history. You can blitz that, but the Warriors have shredded teams when they blitz.

So there's only so many answers. And I think for Boston, I mean, we'll see how the series develops. They could always pull out a more aggressive scheme later in the series. Maybe you don't want to do that too early. You might want to save it for the right moment. But I thought the adjustments Boston made, you know, with Time Lord playing higher in those pick and rolls,

it was the best he's looked at in quite a while. How many blocks? He had four blocks, four loud blocks. And his timing on those as well. It seemed like a goaltending, but they didn't come. Was that the one that went out of bounds? Yeah, on the Curry floater. I mean, it was close. I had a pretty good angle

on that. It was pretty close. They usually call that a goaltending. So from a Celtics, from a strategy standpoint, they really rode Jalen in the first quarter, and he was great. 17 in the first quarter. Yeah, he only finished with 27. But yeah, what did you see? What were they doing with Jalen? Because they were and he was great. I mean, it's 17 in the first quarter. Yeah, he only finished with 27. But yeah, what did you see? What were they doing with Jalen? Because they were trying

to get him downhill, trying to get him on pull-ups. I mean, in general, you know, whether it was against Draymond or somebody else, in game two, we saw the Warriors over-helping a lot of the time. And so they were attacking a matchup knowing help was coming in order to create motion or get the ball moving

or to get driving kicks. And they did a great job in that in this game. But when Terrence was attacking Draymond, that was the adjustment the Warriors made in game two. They moved Draymond off and onto Jalen Brown. Defending Jalen Brown did a really good job in that game. And yet in this game, they used that against him.

So you're going at Draymond from the perimeter. So he's out of a help position more frequently. And so I thought the Celtics, they came out looking like a totally prepared team, knowing what the Warriors did in game two, attacking that help coverage. And for Draymond, once again, like he had another poor game.

Game one looked like a liability. Game two, he was maybe second best player on the floor behind Steph Curry. And game three, a liability. Again, on offense, Celtics obviouslybest player on the floor behind Steph Curry. In game three, a liability again on offense. Celtics obviously aren't worried about him behind the arc. Wasn't really making a difference as a playmaker. And then defensively... Didn't rebound.

Yeah, and defensively, he just... He didn't seem like he was able to stop Jalen Brown on a lot of those drives to the rim. He's Draymond Green. But the Celtics have tacked him like he wasn't, you know, a multi-time, all-defensive guy. It didn't matter. He didn't make that impact tonight. When the Celtics are going, it's weird. They're almost going at 45-degree angles instead of immediately downhill.

When they're just trying to go straight downhill, they seem to have trouble. But when it's guys curling around things or guys going left to right, right to left. Tatum drives, right? When he takes kind of those weird angle layouts, bank shots, right? So that seems to work for them. And then whenever they're just playing with pace, it's great. Third quarter, they just come out

and they're just super slow. And you can feel it. The crowd now has watched so many Celtic games. Like they're even like, like Marcus doing the thing, they're rolling the ball in bounds and he's letting it roll to midcourt. And it's like, that's the opposite

of what we should be doing. We should be flying down there and trying to, especially Steph got four fouls, what, two minutes into the fourth quarter? I just felt like just go up and down, try to keep this pace, but then that was right what the Warriors wanted.

It's strange how they fall into those habits. Do you contribute that to this being just a young team? Are they just not a smart team? I mean, what do you think of this?

I just think there's like a playoff savviness that they don't have enough accrued savviness yet. They just haven't played enough of these games. But they played a lot of them.

This year they have, but it's just like, you know, I think part of it is even though Marcus was good for the most part tonight, but it's just like, you know, I think part of it is even though Marcus was good for the most part tonight, but he's not like your typical point guard,

like a sense of the momentum of the game, how it's shifting. Like, how many fast breaks did they screw up today? How many layups did Tatum miss?

Like, you know, free throws miss too. Yeah, free throws miss. Like, it felt like they should have been up 30 in the first quarter

or the first half, but, you know, that's the thing because logically you think, all right, the Warriors will come back. They'll probably get better calls in game four and whatever. But I didn't feel like the Celtics played awesome today.

What Celtic, other than Rob who basically that was what Rob looked like in January, February, March. Williams was better. And Jalen Brown was really good. Jalen was good in long stretches. That first half against Draymond, he did a really great job. But nobody was amazing in the game for the Celtics.

And I think if I'm the Warriors, I'm really nervous about all the layups the Celtics missed. I mean, Tatum must have missed, what, five? Yeah. Four or five just layups, point-blank layups. I don't know where it seemed like he was rushing it because he was afraid of getting fouled. And then they missed a bunch of free throws too.

Do we know what Jason Tatum's shoulder issue is? What was the first play of the game he was grabbing at it? I texted a friend of mine who may or may not be employed with the Celtics during the game. And I was like, if Tatum had a fucking separated shoulder

for the last month and you didn't tell me, I'm going to be furious. I'm just going to, I'm going to be really mad at you. We're going to have an issue. Cause you can tell me after the series, you can be like,

Oh, by the way, he had a slight separation of his shoulder. There's been moments. Are you hinting at that? No, I don't, I have no inside info.

I don't know. I just, I've been watching him with this quote unquote stinger that he has. I don't know what, what game that I went to that game. That was game three of that he has. I don't know. What game? I went to that game. That was game three of the Miami series. Yeah, last round. And I've been, I went to game three.

I've been to, I guess, four games since. And every game he's doing these weird shoulder things and shaking it. And there's threes that just don't look like Tatum threes and then he's fine. I don't know the adrenaline, but I just can't figure it out. Would you be shocked

if he had a separated shoulder? I don't know what it could be. Or like a separated shoulder that popped back in, but it's not like... Maybe it just needs time to heal completely. It could be something like that. What kind of stinger is this? Like UFC fighters don't have stingers that last this long. We need to talk to Dr. Brian Suterer

the YouTuber you know him let's bring him in but yeah he was 9 for 23 again today 9 assists I thought he had

a good control over the game but it easily could have been a 40 point game for him I actually felt like it was sitting there I liked all the shots

he took and what's weird is since game 6 of the Milwaukee game, Milwaukee series, which was the best game he's ever played in his life. I don't know if he's played a great start to finish game. I think he's had stretches. He's had quarters. He's also had moments where you feel like he's unraveling a little bit.

And in terms of like him hitting like a greatness point, I don't think it's happened these last two rounds. And also, they played 21 playoff games. He's young. He's had to play two-way. The whole thing, I get it. This is a grind. There's a finish line.

But it's weird that just a lot of averages with how talented he is, right? You would think he would have one awesome one. I mean, so with Tatum, though, I think what you're touching on, this is the growth of him becoming a star, though. The fact that he hasn't had

this amazing scoring performance where he's super efficient and on a high volume and he's playmaking. And yet, like, he can go three for 17 and you can come away feeling like, well, he was making his teammates

better with passes. He was defending at a high level, rebounding. And that, like, is really the mark of a true star where even when they're not scoring, you still feel like they make a positive impact on your team, leading to wins or at least have a chance to win games.

Which is what he couldn't do six months ago. Exactly. And I think with Tatum, that's what we've seen. And then with Jalen Brown, he's slid into that number two role. And sometimes he is the lead guy, like we saw in that first half against Draymond Green. And the balance those two guys have together, you know, it's crazy, you know, to be in Boston, you know, right now during the NBA Finals, watching this team, knowing what the conversation was just, you know, six months ago. These two guys specifically and the fit, you know, these guys aren't yet in their primes. They're still growing.

They're still gaining experience, as you just said. But for them to be in this position now, considering what it was in December and even early January, it blows my mind. It really does. The growth is crazy. Two more wins to win the title. They have two more home games. You feeling good? Are you feeling

confident? What's interesting about this team, it doesn't feel like a championship team to me in the sense that they just seem so young. They're sloppy still. And sloppy. And it's just,

but the 08 team was like this too, right? The 08 team really had a breakthrough in the last two Detroit games of that series when it was tied 2-2. They had played

a seven-gamer against Atlanta, another seven-gamer against Cleveland. They would have these stretches. They would suck. They'd look good. They'd suck. Play great defense. They'd fall apart seven-gamer against Atlanta, another seven-gamer against Cleveland. They would have these stretches. They would suck. They'd look good. They'd suck. Play great defense.

They'd fall apart for a quarter. It was very similar to this. And then they got over the hump in that Detroit series, went into the Lakers series, and really they should have won in five. And I'm still amazed they didn't win game five in L.A. Scott Foster maybe helped a little bit on that one, but it felt like they were just better in game six.

They kill them. Winning at home was pretty good though. Winning at home was great. Got the Dock Rivers Gatorade shower. That was pretty cool. But it felt, it feels like as, even though the Celtics are two games away from the finals, it feels like they haven't had that great stretch yet.

Because to me, the comparison, and look, the 91 Bulls said, Jordan is the greatest player of all time. Then Jordan and Pippen, who I think is one of the 30 best players of all time. But if you go back and look at that 91 Bulls stretch, they really hit a high level. I mean, they only lost, I think they only lost maybe two playoff games. They lost one Laker game in the finals, and I think they might've lost a Philly game. But if you go back and look at the box scores and they just kind of got over the

hump and by somewhere at that point in the Lakers series is the overtime game. They just went to another level and it was like, we're great. We're going to win this. I haven't seen that yet from the Celtics. We, we have the stretches. I don't know if this team is great. We might look back and think it's amazing that they had Jalen and Tatum and all these role players. And we're like, man, that team was loaded. Jesus. But I don't know. I don't know if they can close this.

I wouldn't be shocked if they lost the series. No, of course not. The Warriors come with the experience of winning the NBA Finals, and they have one of the greatest players of all time in Stephen Curry. Remind me to talk about him later. And Klay can still go off I mean you mentioned he could have a stinker

of a game he could also have a 45 point performance Clay's still capable of that I was thinking about this because something to me

the true definition of being great is consistency I think anybody can be great every once in a while but like we we've watched Tom Brady

for 20 years what made him great was how consistently very good to great he was. Right. I think as you get older, you can be great every once in a while, but you can also stink. And the days where you can seem great. I felt like, like even, you know, when I was writing, not that I was a great writer, but I felt like I could still get to where I, where I used to get to sometimes, but not all the time. That was the different, like when, when I was like really cooking, I was felt like anytime I could like, all right, I can write something I'm happy with. And I think with Clay, like he was really good tonight. I think he could go like one for 15

in game four. Right. I don't trust the consistency. Whereas Curry, he's just, oh my God. He's something special, isn't he? They're throwing the whole team at him today. I want to hold that. The Celtics, for the finals right now in FanDuel, they're minus 230.

I lost another same game parlay. I had the Celtics to win. Jalen, 20 plus points. Got that. Draymond, under 11 and a half points. There was more. And Derek White, nine points. And Derek White didn't play for the last 19 minutes,

and I lost by two points. Oh, you had Derek White at seven points. They were more. He got benched. There were more FU Draymond chants than there were Draymond points. Yeah, seriously. Draymond was terrible, which we discussed. But yeah, the Celtics now are minus 230 on FanDuel.

And are they now like 100% on the analytics models to win the finals now? Because they've been 80% since January. I know, they're probably like at least low 90s. But the thing is, the Warriors are going to be throwing the kitchen sink on Friday. I certainly don't feel safe. We'll take a quick break. I want to talk about Curry. I want to talk about Draymond'm going to talk about Draymond

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Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. We talked about Curry. There's just nothing like it in person. To root against it, but also that crowd was nuts tonight. It was a nice, drunk midweek Boston crowd. The game started at 9-10. Sensational crowd.

Sensational crowd. The crowd was into it. Which is what made it so amazing in third quarter that the Warriors managed to take him out of the game. Curry, the fear factor with that dude, when he's, I don't even know who the last guy who was like that. I don't even think, I honestly don't think Colby was like that. LeBron had the Miami series, but for the most part,

he was pretty streaky. Curry, it's like shocking when it doesn't go in. I think it's going in every time. Don't you feel like shocked when he misses? Oh my god he missed of course he's Steph Curry I mean we've seen him not miss ever and

with a guy like him he's doing it while they're attacking him on defense play after play and he's doing it while like you said they have three guys on him sometimes it's remarkable. There's some threes he hits where Celtics, they're playing high in the pick and roll.

Maybe they could be playing even higher. They send Derek White or whoever draping over him from behind contesting the shot, and yet he's still going in. You still have the expectation that it's going to go in. It's always crazy with Steph and Curry, and has there been anybody that you have that level of fear? I don't think so

I mean Jordan I mean Jordan Jordan but like I think part of it with Steph is the LeBron but the fact he's doing it from behind the arc that adds that adds fear though because it's literally worth an additional point the seven point play first of all that was a strange call

was a 30 footer weird call I've never seen a seven pointpoint play in my entire life. Celts were up nine. I'll assume they're up two. Seven-point play. Three-pointer. Free throw. They keep the ball.

And then Porter hits a heave. I've just never seen that in my life. But the three that Curry hit with Horford coming out on him. And it was like a 30-footer. And that was like the secret part of the play. I was like, Jesus Christ, who else even comes close to making that? Nobody. I tweeted a couple weeks ago, Steph is top 10 all time.

Maybe he's 9, 10, maybe he's 11. Is that premature? No. I moved them I gotta look at my pantheon list there was a play six seconds left on the shot clock and the word

the salt's gotta stop and the word decided to take it out of bounds and they threw it in a curve he's like 35 feet away like near the logo and I said to my dad Marcus get up he's gonna fucking shoot.

And he shot, like he just, he, me, as I was saying it, he was shooting and it was like a 33 footer. He missed it. I have Curry. I had her, I had Curry in the Pantheon.

I had him 16th. Okay. So he's like underneath Moses and Shaq and Akeem, Oscar Robertson. I mean, the thing that's in play for him now is can he end up being the third best guard of all time?

Can he put together a resume that passes Oscar and Jerry and Kobe just from the totality of it? And he probably will. He probably will. He's 34, which I didn't realize. I thought he was 33. The thing is,

it doesn't really matter. He's on whatever the final didn't realize. I thought he was 33. But I mean, the thing is, it doesn't really matter. He's on whatever the final list is of just the guys you'll never forget watching. And it was cool to see him in a finals game in Boston doing his thing. The new dynasty with the Warriors against the dynasty of old. Well, you know, if they don't win, it reminded me. I had this moment. There was one moment out there when it was like, he's out there with Porter and it was like Looney.

And it just was, it was basically all the non-starters. And it reminded me of in the 08 finals when the Lakers were like a guy short. Remember they had to play Radmanovich. They probably had seven guys and there would be these moments when Kobe was just out there but Lamar and Pau Gasol weren't out there

and you could kind of feel it where, oh, this is pretty good. Like if you take Kobe out, we have the next five best guys in the court. It did feel, I felt that way

a couple times today. It feels like there's so much pressure on him to score because unless Clay's hitting pool, the Celtics seems like they've figured out at least a little bit. He was pretty erratic tonight. Other than that, where are they getting scoring?

Wiggins is all over the place. Yeah, I mean, this is why it seems like, at least in a vacuum, Boston is a better team. When you factor in injuries and everything else, I mean, maybe they're not in the series. Maybe they don't win the series if Steph and Clay have incredible performances. But you're right.

The Celtics have better top-end talent on the roster. They have arguably better depth. I mean, I think in game two... They have more options. You know what I mean? More lineup options. Yeah, I mean, I think in the fourth quarter, unfortunately for you, Derek White doesn't play.

But this speaks to it. Right, from the same game. I mean, it speaks to that point in terms of like you, Boston starts the game with two bigs. They pull Robert Williams early, like you said. They go with Horford at the five. They play pretty much just with one big for the whole rest of the game until in that fourth quarter when they rode Robert Williams

and then brought in Horford and played with two bigs again. But you can't have Derek White out there with those two guys. It just hurts your spacing too much. He missed one wide open three and we never saw him again. Even though I thought he was doing a good job on Curry, Curry was still hitting shots. Derek White

made him work. And that also speaks to also the greatness of the performance by Steph. He's getting worked by Derek White. Derek White's making things hard on him. He's still flourishing, and he's being attacked on defense, and he has three guys on him sometimes. Remember in the 2015 finals, Della Vadova

was having a moment where he was following around. Remember that Cleveland team? Kyrie was out. The tiny, speedy, annoying guard, right? The Curry now would have torched that 2015 team. He's got so many more tricks now. And just like the reservoir of information his teammates have now

with how to play off him and send him picks. There was a stretch in third quarter where it felt like Looney just set a pick for 17 straight Warriors threes. And they really play. I would actually be a little discouraged if I was the words after that game, only because I thought they did some pretty good stuff offensively, you know? Yeah.

And I still think, I still think the Celtics have that, that trick in the pick and roll. They, they were one of the lowest frequency blitzing teams in the NBA this year, but also one of the best when they did it. Yeah. And we've seen Steph face some of that,

including against Dallas last round. But if Celtics do need to pull that out at some point, I think that's kind of their wildcard defense that they can use against the Steph pick-and-roll, which they're using a lot. They're running a lot of pick-and-roll with Steph. And it's not always traditional high pick-and-roll, Luka-style, Harden-style.

It's sometimes having a smaller guy go up and set the screen knowing it'll be a switch. But they're still having a lot of on-ball screens set for him. I just wonder if at some point we see Boston pull out that aggressive coverage, if necessary.

It just feels like they're saving it to me, considering they're doing so much drop. That's interesting. Yeah, because seven games, you want to at least have a couple more looks. And if you do that starting in game one, you're going to wear yourself out. That was like Bud in the Buck series.

He kept trying to add stuff and then by game seven, he's like, eh. Back to my game one strategy. Ran out of options, yeah. Warriors only took 15 free throws. The Celtics took 24. Austin was attacking a lot more too. Yeah, I felt like the game was pretty fairly called today.

There was two flimsy Curry calls that I didn't love. But I also thought Tatum, you know, he only took six free throws. Like he could have ended up with 16 free throws in the game. So considering how loud the crowd was, I thought it was pretty fair that the Warriors were 15 for 40 from three. And I think in the second quarter,

Kerr just put all his shooters out because he was like, we're going to get blown out. Maybe we can hit some threes. And it actually worked. They kept it, I don't know, what was it, within like nine or ten at halftime? Yeah. They don't have that. This is where they really miss, I think,

whatever Kaminga is three years from now, it's like they could bring that guy in a time machine. They need like an athletic wing with size who can get them offensive rebounds and some athlete moments. They just don't have it. Yeah. They are missing that. And, you know,

Kaminga also could provide some of that shot creation too. Yeah. He's not a prime, might not be a primary guy in three years, but if he follows a Jalen Brown-like trajectory and can at least do a little bit of it in two or three years, that would be of great benefit for them. Because right now, like you said, Jordan Poole, erratic.

They're just a little small. Yeah, they're a smaller team. And Klay, I mean, I love Klay, but off the dribble, he's just a non-factor right now. He can't create off the bounce for you. And Clay, he had zero points in the first quarter. He finished with 25. I actually thought there was a moment when it felt like,

is Clay kind of back? And then it faded away. I think Jalen Brown is a rookie. He played 12 minutes a game in the playoffs. Tatum, in that 2018 playoffs, I think he was playing like 27, 28 and they desperately needed him to take over in the series. He just wasn't ready yet. He was young. Kaminga's I think further away than both of those guys. But if you're a Warriors fan, or if you ran the Warriors or you're one of the owners or whatever,

would you feel like you might've left the title on the table here but i'm not making a move at the deadline like you're a guy short and would you redo that if the whole goal is to win a title you think like the lakers traded away 130 picks for anthony davis for the bubble title and now they're in shambles for the rest of the decade if i was a warriors, I don't think they realized they were going to be this close to a title. Could Miles Turner have helped this team? Of course. Could, I don't know, anybody who could have had some size? Derek White.

Derek White. Could he have helped the team? I mean, so like the Warriors front office uh they talked about it before the finals when they did some of their when they're doing their victory laps about how smart they were that they kept the young guys together said everybody said i shouldn't be running pick and roll even though they're running like 30 plus pick and rolls per game for steph but i mean ultimately though for golden state though i was on the side of don't trade these guys unless it's like a no-brainer deal you know and i think if you're

the warriors who would have made sense to trade for like you said turner might have helped maybe if you just flip one of them could you have gone for a bradley bill maybe not because he dealt with that he was hurt he didn't look like anywhere near the same guy so i don't know who who was the option aside from like some high-end role players? And what type of player is it? Is it like a... For instance, could they have gotten Jason Richardson? Not Jason Richardson.

I mean Josh Richardson. It is like 1230 tonight. But even like a Josh Richardson, I guess the issue for them is every guy they add... Is Josh Richardson really swinging your title odds? No, I'm just trying to think of guys

who were available at the deadline, though. I guess it was pretty slim pickings. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, I just don't know who the option was that made sense

on mortgaging your future for increased title odds now when it wasn't necessarily increased title odds. Like, Kaminga, Moody, Poole,

these guys could be really what create... How about Larry Nance? Somebody like that would have helped a lot. Covington? But the fact is, for the Warriors, though...

Covington would have been interesting. You mentioned the Patriots earlier. Yeah. And Tom Brady sustaining success. Yeah. For a team like that, they were able to sustain success because they continued to invest

in their future. Same thing with the Spurs. So for the Warriors, even though it does hurt title odds this season they're of a mindset well we're trying to win for the next 5 10 and whether that's right or wrong i mean you can argue either way because like you said they may not be back here again yeah like there's no guarantees of that right like we know that again like with tom verd, how long did it take after their third Super Bowl to win another one? It was 10, 11 years. I, just for the record,

I agree with you. I actually don't think they should have traded Kaminga or Moody. Wiseman, maybe? Wiseman. What's his value, though? I don't know.

Pretty close to zero, considering, like like the money he's making too. I think they played it correctly because you couldn't have predicted the Middleton thing. And I think Milwaukee is honestly better than both. You couldn't have predicted that. And you couldn't have predicted whatever the fuck happened to Phoenix. It finally came out all the COVID stuff today, which we'd been hearing for a couple of weeks.

One player tested positive for it. I wonder who the one player was. Just look at the box score. But yeah, you have those two moments and all of a sudden they're playing for the title. But to me, I wonder if they're in like a 2008

Lakers kind of moment where the Lakers made that Gasol trade, got a couple breaks, all of a sudden they're in the finals, but you could tell they didn't have the right roster yet. And maybe the same thing for the Warriors. I think the thing... By the way, they can still win it.

As we said, they can still win it. They may not have needed to make it. Right. I'm just thinking, I'm trying to think if I was a Warriors fan, what would I be thinking about tonight? Would I be mad they didn't make a trade? Would I be mad at the refs? I would guarantee I'd be mad at Draymond because he sucked tonight. We should talk about that. Second quarter, he was putting up a club trillion. He had the 0-0-0. Shout out, Tyler. Yeah, he had it going. He's really an offensive liability.

The reason he succeeded in game two, because it was like they turned the fouls off for him in a video game. But the Celtics, I just didn't think, respected him at all offensively. They don't. They haven't reached a point now where they're like, you do whatever you want, dude. If you want to shoot, awesome.

Please do. Why should they respect him on offense? What reason has he given? None. I mean, you know the meme online. He shoots slick. It looks like he's wearing a backpack. They're doing now. He had one. He had to drive down the middle and they were playing him like he wasn't even going to try for a layup,

aka the Rayjean Rondo, late career Rayjean Rondo, where it's like he was going down the middle and they're trying to figure out who is he going to kick it out to because we know he's not going to shoot. At one point, that Rajon on the behind the back fake,

it stopped working because people knew it was good. Yeah, they got it. With the Draymond thing though, so he, you know, three days of Draymond punked the Celtics. Some good press conferences by him. I think his press conference podcast stuff

has been up and down, but I thought his press conference about the old guys was really good. You knew the Celtics were going to respond. You like Draymond's pressers more than the pod? I haven't listened to the pod, but I like his pressers. He comes out, the crowd is ready for him, which we knew.

Oh, yeah. They were ready. So I was thinking, because I've been to a lot of these Celtic games with the villains on the other side, especially in the playoffs. It's not a hatred for him. Like, you know, like Samson before the 86 game six, like the crowd fucking wanted to kill him. Bill Lambert after he punched Bird in 87,

same thing. They wanted him to die. Like that was, you could feel it. It was, you know, this was more, it felt more like fun. Even though I know they're chaining, fuck you Draymond, which I don't agree with the Fuck You.

I wish they were just doing the Draymond chant. Were you chanting with the crowd? I was not. You were avoiding another Jalen Gray situation. I don't like the Fuck You. Good pod with Jalen Gray. The kids are there. I thought it was kind of fun.

It never felt like it crossed some sort of line. The crowd was ready for him. It was all in good fun. Yeah, he loved it. He was ready. It never felt like it crossed some sort of line. The crowd was ready for him. It was all a good fun. Yeah, he loved it. He was ready. He was talking. It was just, it was good theater.

I loved it. It was enjoyable. The people behind me, I was sitting in the last row of the media section in the lower bowl. Every person, I turned around at one point,

every person, every one of them. I mean, it was a great crowd. Honestly, he must have loved it. Exactly. This is everything he wanted. I mean, we haven a great crowd. Honestly, he must have loved it. Exactly. This is everything he wanted. I mean, we haven't seen his postgame presser tonight.

Or I'm sure maybe he'll talk tomorrow if he doesn't tonight. But I guarantee you, he's going to be firing back at Celtics fans just like he's firing back at everybody else. And Grant Williams

stuck up for himself and the team that one time. He got testy with them. They had to separate him. Then there was another one. Jim, I got the sixth foul on this eight-second rugby scrim. I still don't know. I didn't understand what happened.

And J-Mod was just trying to get kicked out of the building. He was going at it. I think it was Courtney Kirkland. Oh, you see him give the stare down? And Courtney Kirkland was, yeah, he side-eyed him. I thought it I was like, oh my God. He stared at him for like 15 straight seconds until they said a word, my God. He stared at him.

Yeah, he was 15 straight seconds until they said a word to each other. He was furious. But yeah, it had a good pro wrestling feel that I enjoyed. Draymond, just the perfect villain. Yeah, I love Draymond for that reason. We're talking about his limitations as a basketball player and how it's helping the Celtics out in the series and hurting the Warriors. And I mean, we'll see what the Warriors do long-term with him. He's eligible for a contract this summer.

But from a pure theater standpoint, this is as good as it gets. I'm thankful for Draymond. The only three guys I feel like the crowd actually despised since I've been around is Lambert and Sampson and then Kyrie. All for different reasons, right? The Kyrie stuff with the Nets,

that was less theater and more like, we hate your guts. Which is fine. It's sports. People cheer, they boo. I never felt in the stance, like a cross line. It was just like,

we don't like this guy and we're here and we're going to boo this guy. It's just fun. You know who I used to hate? Anderson Barajow. Oh, yeah. And Sasha Vujicic.

Both of those guys. I couldn't stand them. That's a good one. And then Ray Allen when he came back after he left for Miami, there was definitely, he got the crowd going. So it's happened over the years. Jason Cade was probably the ugliest because they were trying to get in his skin. He had some

personal stuff going on. That was my least favorite. But this Draymond thing's fun. I was surprised. There was a couple moments where I thought he would turn to the crowd and do the wave them on to go even more, but he was... It just didn't seem like he had a good feel today.

The Warriors in general felt like the less urgent team. Is that fair to say? It felt like Boston just came out firing, cutting to the rim, fully prepared yeah I was watching Kerr like he

game two he was right at midcourt locked in going nuts and he knew how bad this one I didn't feel the same energy

and there was that the full court pass by Smart to Brown in that third quarter as well kind of caught the Warriors sleeping on an inbound pass I mean that was just

the example that pops into my mind too well for their bench in that third quarter as well. Kind of caught the Warriors sleeping on an inbound pass. That's sad. I mean, that was just, you know, the example that pops into my mind, too. Well, for their bench, Porter, 21 minutes, six points. Poole, 24 minutes, 10 points. Peyton only played 11 minutes, two points. Wasn't great tonight. Yeah, and I think

I think Kerr realized pretty quickly like the Celts, Jalen's feeling it, Tatum's probably coming, Smart's doing stuff, like we're not going to win this game on defense. We have to outshoot them. My guess would be game four will be way more defensive for them. Does it feel like at times Kerr's throwing darts, figuring out who's going to work with Peyton?

He tries out Bielitsa for a couple of minutes in the first half too. I mean, he hasn't really given Iguodala, you know, extended run since he returned. Obviously just played a minute tonight at the bench after Draymond filed out. But like, do we see, do we see Moody? Any chance of that? Is there any chance of that? I mean, Kaminga didn't work really before, but Moody was solid in the opportunities he got last round. I don't think we see him in a Boston game.

But should we see him? Kerr is going to trust his vets, but should we see somebody like that? Moody was not bad. Being in the building today, just for the people listening, it was fucking rowdy. It was really loud. I don't think that's a spot for Moody.

You're throwing a rookie into that? I thought Poole seemed flustered. It was really loud. I don't think that's a spot for Moody. You've thrown a rookie into that? I thought Poole seemed flustered. It was loud. It was loud and the crowd was pretty drunk. I felt like I was leaving Sullivan's Tap or something after the game.

I left the arena pretty shortly afterwards because we were recording this and people were chanting on the streets. Oh, yeah. I, you know, I did a quick call. You know, I couldn't hear me on the phone because it was so loud, you know, and it was crazy. It's not like they needed to be energized for a finals game, but I do feel like the

three days of Draymond Punk the Celtics put the crowd on another level. It really was a big story out here. Definitely, Celtic fans all over the place are just like, why did we let that guy do that to us? Are we tougher than that, or what's going on? I think it seemed like they stood up to him. I don't know what he's capable of in Game 4. On the other hand, he did seven things in game two that now they can send that to the league

and be like, hey, he's doing this. He's doing this. He's doing this. He had one play in the first half. Oh, no. Yeah, it was the first half. It was a drive down the middle by, I think, Curry. And Draymond just did the screening out like it was a rebound, but the drive, Curry's driving by the guy, which is they always call that a foul, but he still has like these little tricks. Did you see the replay of him kind of like clotheslining Tatum on a free throw rebound? Oh, was that when Foster kicked him out of the free throw thing?

There was another time Foster just kicked him out. Earlier in the game. Yeah. There's got like a bunch of retweets i saw that i forgot i don't know exactly which moment it happened though but i did see it on twitter yeah the path for the warriors is they need to be more physical they need to win on defense and having those quarters that the celtics have when they just like you know there's five seconds left on the shot clock and somebody's 38

feet from the basket and super physical, try to out macho them like they did in game two. And, you know, I ultimately like, who are the guys that you can count on in that game four? Because I think it's gonna be, I don't, I can't see them being able to beat the Celtics three games in a row. I think they could win three of the next four, but three in a row seems far-fetched to me. I think the Celtics are going to win the series. I don't know how many games, but I think they're the better team. I think they're a better team.

I don't know if that means they're going to win the series. I am more confident than I was five hours ago. I mean, understandably so. You just saw Celtics win. I think it's going to be way more physical, though. Sure. And how the refs interpret some of the Draymond stuff, Looney, they're going to have to really, I think, beat up Tatum and Brown more than they did.

Do you pull Draymond off of Jalen Brown? Yeah, I don't think that worked. So put him more in off-ball help situations. They need Draymond off of Jalen Brown yeah I don't think that worked so put him more in off ball help situations they need Draymond's rebounding if you're gonna put him 25 feet

from the basket who's gonna rebound for you so they gotta do that alright I have some non-final stuff I wanna talk NBA

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What have you heard about? Did we cover the finals? I think we did it, right? Yeah, we covered the finals, yeah. All right. Celtics are four-point favorites in Game 4. Finals MVP. There is one other thing.

Chris Haynes tweeted out, Steph Curry says his foot injury feels similar to how he injured it against Boston in the regular season, but he doesn't expect to miss a game. What does that mean? So he re- against Boston in the regular season, but he doesn't expect to miss a game. What does that mean? So he re-injured the foot? Yeah, he said that five minutes ago at his postgame presser. That's from Chris Haynes who tweeted that out.

Yeah. Then Clay Thompson said, Clay Thompson said, real classy, good job, Boston, about all the F-bombs in front of the kids. I agree. I don't, I don't like the F-bombs. I wish, just do the Draymond chant.

Just do the Draymond. Like, I don't, I don't love the swearing. Cause there were some kids there, you know. Kids, kids know swearing. They got TikTok. His foot injury feels similar to how he injured it against Boston in the regular season. That's not great. So you think he got hurt on that rugby scrum?

Yeah, that's the play where Draymond was given the stare down afterwards, right? Did anything illegal happen on that play? I don't believe so, no. Any scuttlebutt that you're hearing at these finals the last three games yeah I reported some stuff on the ringer this week on Monday in my article about Utah had reported that's a weird one that the Bulls are another team that has some interest in Rudy Gobert I know it was reported today forgive me I forgot who said it that the Jazz aren't really exploring offers for Mitchell right now but they are listening about gobert which connects with what i've said it seems like gobert is a more likely guy at least at this moment yeah um but you know we know danny ange

over the years he does his due deal and it's on everybody so i'm not sure how much to read into that um other than that what else we get we talked We talked earlier about the Sun stuff. The Blazers with the number seven pick. Seems like they're seeking out a lot of possibilities to move that. They want to help and build around Dame. I'm not sure who actually is acquirable. I mean, like they're talking, they're telling teams about people like Beal and Levine. They're dropping big names up there. What's going on with Levine?

Why does it seem like he might be available now? With Levine, I was told that the Bulls weren't initially offering the full max. And so there was actually negotiation happening. I think that's changed, where the offer will be with a max. But whether Levine takes that or not, that remains to be seen.

If you're Zach Levine, there's definitely a lot of teams that would want a young scorer in his mid-20s who can play with and without the ball. Imagine Levine. There's definitely a lot of teams that would want a young scorer in his mid-20s who can play with and without the ball. Imagine Levine could be plugged onto literally any contender in basketball because of his ability to play with and without the ball. Yeah, he could have played in the game he went to. Levine, think about him on the Warriors in place of Klay Thompson, for example.

He can do all the off-ball stuff, coming off of screens and handoffs. He can cut to the rim. He's a major lob threat, but he can also run, pick and roll for you. He can handle the ball and run a little bit of offense. So you can plug him into

literally any team in the league. Can we just call this trade into the league? Zach Levine? Where's he going? Zach Levine for Harden. What's more fun than that trade? That's a fun trade.

Yeah. He would be great with Embiid. Harden gets his own team again. Levine and Maxi in the backcourt together. That'd be fun. And DeRozan just goes to Croatia and doesn't want to start the season. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, poor DeRozan if that were to happen. Yeah, it's not going to happen. I don't think Harden is nearly the value. But with the Blazers, though, I mean, Miles Bridges, Jeremy Grant, just a couple other names that have been connected with them. And you had on Monday, you had the Go-Bear for

Vucevic and Patrick Williams. Yeah, I mean, that was kind of like just an idea. You know, it makes sense salary-wise. If you're getting Go-Bear, you're trading Vuce. So it's a matter of, is the other piece Patrick Williams? Is it Lonzo Ball? So you give up two high lottery picks for Vuce and then a third high lottery pick to get Go-Bear?

Would you be willing to do that? How high are you on Gobert? I would not. You wouldn't? I would not do that. How about... I think he makes way too much money. I would not feel good about him at all.

If you trade for Gobert, you have to be in contention. Like, this is our final move to go over the top to fortify our defense. That's not the Bulls. No, it's not. I can understand why they might feel that way if you have Gobert with DeMar DeRozan and if you're able to keep Caruso and Lonzo, you know, and then

maybe you've got something going there. We sure Aiton just isn't the solution all the way around. Do you trust Aiton on a new max contract when he himself said years ago how, you know, his goal is to make it to his second contract in his NBA career and the Suns constantly have to push him and motivate him

to play at a high level. I'm not sure I would. Maybe Chris Paul's a dick. How do we know? Yeah, sure. Aggregators. Simmons says Chris Paul's a dick. I was just theorizing. Devin Booker's the guy

that pushes him. He's the one who presses him. I've heard. He's the one who presses the right buttons for Aiton. I don't know who is going to be fired up to pay Rudy Gobert like $48 million a year two years from now. That's a part I don't get. I just don't know how that's a winning recipe for a basketball team because now I'm in the luxury tax.

See the third best player on the title team probably yeah you can get that there's team other teams have people like rob williams for 12 million brooke lopez for 11 million these centers that you know you want to spend your money on the score perimeter people so i had a conversation with somebody uh about a month ago about gobert exactly what you're talking about where they pay him so like the way they built their defense is the way teams build their offense like so with luca on the dallas mavericks everything you know goes around him yeah high pick and roll you have shooters around him cutters you want smart decision makers on defense you want guys who are switchable and versatile. With Gobert, they built their entire defense around him

where he is the sole focus, like the team builds. So why'd they put so many shitty defenders around him? Because they were relying solely on him to get stops, just like teams on offense solely rely on sometimes

one or two players to create offense, to create baskets for you. The problem is, is offense is more important than defense. Offense is always going to, good offense is always going to be good defense. And the problem is, is offense is more important than defense. Offense is always going to, good offense is always

going to be good defense. And the fact is, is like you said, getting paid 40 plus million dollars, he's getting paid in the range of those high-end offensive guys. And some of those offensive players are also good defenders too.

So I think with Gobert, you're right that he is overpaid for what you expect from people making that type of money but i still think if you plug him like if you imagine gobert in place of robert williams like but robert williams makes i know but like 25 but like forgetting about the money aspects imagine gobert in a role like that that that's that's where if you're a team you can look at him as kind of the final potential acquisition to go over the top have a dominant interior force on defense and a guy who's a lob threat on offense and a great screener great rim runner and everything else so can i give you a couple trades sure go bear trades utah calls milwaukee and says,

we'll trade you Donovan Mitchell for Drew Holiday right now. Hmm. Interesting. Who says no? I mean, if you're... Kyle, turn the fucking camera on. If you're Utah,

I'm not doing that deal. I want picks and Milwaukee doesn't have the assets to give up. Who's more of a winning player? I have Drew ranked higher than Donovan Mitchell. So you're making...

I might have been messing around with the trade value column for three, four hours in the... Okay. I mean, without words, just the rankings. I don't know if I'm capable of writing the words anymore.

So you're saying if you're making that deal, if you're Utah, you're trying to still win. If you're Milwaukee, I think you'd hang up. Really? Hang up?

I think I'd rather have Drew Holiday than Donovan Mitchell. Really? I'm trying to win a title with Giannis. I haven't seen Donovan Mitchell play defense in a playoff series ever in his life. But is that because he's unhappy and wants to push his way out of Utah? What does that mean? Are you competitive or are you not competitive? I mean, that's disappointing.

Mitchell at Louisville, like in college. He was a fucking turnstile in the last playoff series. I think Drew Holiday is a better player. I do. at Louisville, like in college. He was a fucking turnstile in the last playoff series. It's, it's really disappointing. I think Drew Howard is a better player. I do. So with Mitchell, so at Louisville in college,

he was busting his ass on defense. He was really good. Those days are gone. Early in career with the Jazz, he did that. I interviewed him last year and he talked to me

about how like the conditioning aspect that's been the toughest thing for him to learn in the NBA, like how to know when to take rest and everything. I wonder if it's kind of a conditioning issue that's playing the toughest thing for him to learn in the NBA, like how to know when to take rest and everything. I wonder if it's kind of a conditioning issue that's playing into the poor effort with somebody

like him. Or he's just not good defensively. Might just be that too. He also small. Like no matter how good you are, you're always going to be small. I would rather have Drew Holiday than Donovan Mitchell. I wouldn't. I am on the record.

Mitchell, Mitchell scoring. I still believe in Mitchell. I'm buying Mitchell stock if you're selling it. Would you rather have Darius Garland or Donovan Mitchell? Darius Garland, younger. Right. Better deal. But think about this.

And if you're Cleveland, I wouldn't want to trade for Mitchell. I don't think he's going to want to stay there long term. Mitchell's a big city guy. Yeah, that's true. Would you rather have LaMelo Ball or Donovan Mitchell? LaMelo Ball on the rookie deal. Factoring that in, yes. Would you rather

Pascal Siakam or Donovan Mitchell? That's interesting. I mean, Siakam. You'd rather have Siakam. I would too. I'd rather have Siakam, yeah. But that's an interesting

thought though for Toronto considering their roster. And you'd rather have Brandon Ingram than Donovan Mitchell at this point in their career? Oh, I love Ingram. You know I love Ingram.

Would you rather have Dame Lillard or Donovan Mitchell? Are we assuming Dame comes back as Dame? Healthy? The abdomen injury is not an issue? From his weird stomach thing? Are we assuming that or is that in question? My point is, I don't think people think, oh, they trade Mitchell. I don't know if his, oh, they trade Mitchell.

I don't know if his value is anything close to what people seem to think it is. And so many teams have guards or shot creators, right? And I think for Utah, Danny Ainge is going to feel out the market. And it's very possible he feels that Rudy Gobert can bring in a greater return than Donovan Mitchell for all the reasons that we're talking about. The concerns about his defense, the size, will he stay on this new team?

And the fact is, is that with somebody like him, how many teams need a guard? I think Danny goes to Orlando and says, give me all your white guys for Donovan Mitchell. You know, Franz Wagner and Mo Wagner. We're going back to the old 80s Utah Jazz. We're 75% white guys again. I wonder what the highest pick is

that a team would give up for Mitchell. The reason I brought up Mitchell, well, Zach Levine probably wouldn't want to go to Utah, but if they called Chicago and said, we'll flip you Donovan Mitchell for Zach Levine, who says no faster? Because if I'm

Utah, I'd rather have Zach Levine. I mean, if Zach Levine's going to leave and you're Chicago, maybe you don't have a choice but to say yes. In a case like that. What about Paul George or Donovan Mitchell?

George. Even despite all the surgeries and the wear and tear? He's like 30 years old. I have Paul George as well. He's still so good defensively, Bill. Shout out to Dylan Berkey who loves this segment

and is just wearing a smoking jacket thinking about how it's going to look on YouTube. Who would you trade Donovan Mitchell for? I got you, Dylan. Yeah,

my big picture point is if I were them, I would trade Mitchell because I actually think there's going to be certain teams that would... But we just said how there's so few teams that might need him. Because we're smart. I'm saying there's a dumb team out there.

What if Sacramento... The number four pick? What if Sacramento's like, we'll give you Davion Mitchell and the number four pick for Donovan Mitchell? I do think... How about the Pistons? You didn't mention them. Pairing Mitchell with Cade Cunningham. Because he needs the ball. He has to go to a team that...

Does he need the ball? Or is Cade the perfect guy to create shots for him and they can create shots for each other? Mitchell can play off-ball. He can catch and shoot. But he can create, too. I'll tell you who would say no in a heartbeat. Minnesota and Anthony Edwards.

Oh, yeah. I mean, of course. They'd be like, are you serious? There's no chance. Would Toronto trade Scotty Barnes for Donovan Mitchell? No. No way. They wouldn't, right? No chance.

This is my point. You see Scotty Barnes was at the game tonight? He was? Yeah, he was at the game. Yeah. This is a tough one. Before we go, what have you heard about the Nets? Things are just weird. I mean,

it seems to be a lot of noise out there about what could or... Would you bet your life on KD being on the Nets next year? Of course not. No. How could you bet your life

on, you know, anything regarding KD? You never know what he's going to do. Let's go bet your life. It's like one o'clock and I'm groggy. Bet your life.

Would you bet on Giannis being Milwaukee yesterday? I would. Yes, I would. Luke on Dallas, yes. Jokic on Denver, yes. Curry on Tatum, Embiid, Morant, Evan Mobley. I've just listed eight guys.

I'm positive they're going to be on there too. Devin Booker. Cade Cunningham will be in Detroit next year. I would not bet my life on Kevin Durant, but I don't know where he would go. How about Pritchard on the Celtics? No, because I think Ainge is going to offer three first-round picks for him.

The Durant, like, who's the home for him? Like, what if this goes sideways? Because every summer, something goes sideways. Well, the greatest, you know, I don't know if even heel turn makes sense. He's already heel turned multiple times, but would be going from the Nets to the Knicks.

I don't even know how that's possible. He just signed his max contract. Are the Nets really going to trade him to the Knicks? Is it a team in the West? Who would it be in the West? It'd be funny if OKC was like, we'll take him back here. Oh, that'd be funny, yeah.

Get Russ too. Come on back. I don't know about Russ. I don't know. Who would it be in the West? It could be like Miami, right? Like what if Miami did like a Butler, Hero, and some other stuff? Well, Miami wants like all of the above.

Mitchell, Beal, Levine. They'd obviously want KD too. I think Hero's on the table for him. I thought. 100% is. The Riley quote about two-way players are who win playoff series, that was just directed at Tyler Harrow, 100%. And a little bit at Bam, too.

You got to be a little better offensively. Now, KD just signed his max last year, and it's maybe kicking in this year. Is there a path for him to actually push his way out? Let's say Kyrie, they don't retain him. He bounces. Let's say Ben Simmons, they don't retain him. He bounces. Let's say Ben Simmons, all the uncertainty there. Is there a path for KD in not even the first

year of his contract yet to push his way out? It just seems unrealistic. It's the NBA. We've seen everybody be able to push out of teams if they're not happy. We saw Harden do it twice in a year. Yeah, that's true. But it's not like there's incentive for the Nets, though. They don't have their picks. So it's not like

you can tank for Victor Wemba and Yama next year. You don't have their picks. No, they have to get one of the 15 best players in the league back. Yeah, it would have to be a trade for another good player, and you continue competing with that player. There's not a trade. How about the Grizzlies for KD?

Gave up Desmond Bain. I don't think he wants to leave New York. He's in a weirdly similar situation to LeBron and the Lakers where he can stomp his feet and pretend he's upset. Are we sure he still has that power after everything?

Who? Katie. No, I'm saying the Nets have more power in this situation than Katie does. They're like, you're under contract. And Katie kind of doesn't want

to leave New York either. So they'll figure it out. But I think if I were them, you have to move on from Kyrie. You cannot bring him back. But what's the alternative? You have to trade him. You have to sign and trade him. So when I did some sign and trades on Sunday, like even if you're getting Jalen Brunson

back, I would do it. The idea that I have involving that is Kyrie to the Lakers, Westbrook to the Hornets, and then Rozier and Hayward to the Nets. Add picks, fluff it up however you want. That's like the foundation of the deal. What do you think about that for all three of those teams?

Because that connects the Mark Stein rumor with Hornets and Lakers and Westbrook. I don't think they can look KD in the eye unless they get somebody who's good back. Let's say we got you Gordon Hayward, former NBA All-Star. Or you just need the cap space back where Russ goes to OKC, Kyrie goes to the Lakers,

and then you're basically getting nothing back other than whatever. What teams would even want Kyrie besides the Lakers? I think Dallas. Clakers? I think Dallas. Clippers? I think Dallas and the Clippers. Clippers definitely I think would do it. We talked about that on Sunday night.

Is Kyrie who you want to bet on with Luka for Dallas? No. But I think. It'd be pretty good though on paper, those two together. It could end up just being like Reggie Jackson and Marcus Morris for, you know, something like that. We'll see. So you're not giving the money to carry no matter what? No.

Not unless it's a one-year deal. How about Harden? If he opts out? I wouldn't go higher than two years on Harden. So you want him on a prove-it deal, which, you know. Two years. I get a look at him for year one. If it's going the same direction it was last year,

at least he's a giant expiring in year two, and I have some flexibility. I think that's a fair way to look at it with year one. If it's going the same direction it was last year, at least he's a giant expiring in year two and I have some flexibility. I think that's a fair way to look at it with him. Yeah. I don't think the Sixers will do that.

I think they will. I think they're going to pay him. I think there's... Handshake agreement after bringing him back, bringing the squad back together. This is tough times for Daryl Morey,

for Daryl Morey's stock I might have to unload it Darryl I'm sorry I have to unload the stock if he made like a handshake agreement

for a max for Harden that's an absolute catastrophe that's a handshake agreement that you break you would think we've seen stuff

get broken before Kyrie was standing on the court I mean, did Harden, the Celtics, he was resigning. Did Harden hold up his side of things?

No. No, of course not. They did not anticipate. He held up some drinks. All right, KSC, this was really fun.

I had a great time. Me too. I'm glad we got Dylan Berkey a video. Appreciate you coming over. It's now one o'clock. When we come back, my daughter is going to explain Stranger Things to our audience. Zoe's coming up. Amazing. now one o'clock. When we come back, my daughter is going to explain Stranger Things

to our audience. Zoe's coming up. Amazing. Zoe Simmons is coming up next. All right, my daughter, Zoe Simmons is here. Stranger Things came out. When was the last time

the show was on? 2020? Oh my God, like 2019. Summer of 2019. Right before the pandemic happened, which I think is why it was so heartwarming to have this show come back for a lot of us teenagers. Well, it came back, but half came back

because it was like a split season. Yeah, like three-fourths of it, I would say more accurately. Because I think two more episodes or three more episodes at most come out in late July. You know what I heard about those episodes? What'd you hear? I heard they're very long. They're very long.

How long? Like two plus hours. Two plus hours? Yeah. For each epi? Yeah. Really long ones. Wow.

All right. So what was your review? Well, first of all, was it good to be back with these characters? Because some of them, like Millie Bobby Brown looks like she's 30 now. Yeah, but you know what? They made her character look like she was this juvenile little thing. She doesn't look like a 30-year-old

in the show. Although, it's very strange. She looks a lot like Joyce, who's Will's mom in the show. That's not good. She was 15 the last time we saw her. I didn't watch this season. I'm probably not going to, but what did I miss?

What was like, give me like the top three things that blew your mind about season four, partly Stranger Things. I mean, this show never fails to keep me on my toes

because the second I think I know something, I know nothing. Okay. Are there spoilers allowed here or should I? Yeah, we do spoilers i yeah i'm gonna put this at the end of my podcast all right so we start off the first few episodes are slightly slow we know that hopper's gonna be alive that's just something that's gonna happen yeah somehow joyce and murray who travels all the way from indiana to california where joyce and her family now live to get away from all the craziness Indiana to California, where Joyce and her family now live,

to get away from all the craziness of Hawkins. But Hawkins follows you no matter where you go. Remember that. Good idea to get away from Hawkins. Yeah, I think it's a very fabulous idea. Why would you want to be in a rural town that's being harassed by multiple ghosts? But anyways, Murray and Joyce decide,

okay, we got this really suspicious letter in the mail that is alluding to Hopper being alive, but it seems as if it's some sort of ransom situation where he's unsafe and they have to go find him. So they decide, okay, let's just go to Alaska for however long we may be needed there and leave our children behind. What's in Alaska? That's where Hopper was, allegedly at a boot camp, like a Russian boot camp sort of situation. But who would leave their children in a new place,

a completely new part of the world, just after they've experienced one of the most traumatic things possible, not even a year before, like 180 days before. That was, to to me just completely weird what was the traumatic thing 180 days before oh when the entire mall lit on fire and they watched multiple people die and things from an underworld come up and try to eat them yeah that weird thing

so we not leave the kids behind wouldn't leave the kids behind. Wouldn't leave the kids behind. That was just strange in itself. But this season taught us about the upside down in ways that we had no idea existed. First of all, we found out that Elle was the one who actually invented the upside down in some way. Or she was the finder of it because she created it. What's the upside down? Oh, Bill. Yeah, I don't. What the hell? I don't watch

the show. What the hell? This is my favorite show. Yeah, well, I don't watch it. Did you see me watch it with you? The upside down is the upside down. It's this world that reflects. It's like you look into a mirror. It reflects our world, but it has all these evil creatures in it.

Wow, it's like Carnival Mirror. Yes, exactly. It's Carnival Mirror. Okay. So the Upside Down has this mind flayer named Vekta who is released in this season and is murdering teenagers left and right, which is just the most ridiculous thing ever. Just absolutely.

He murders people by lifting them up into the air and then cracking each bone in their body and gouging their eyeballs out. So multiple teenagers were discovered murdered in this way. And that obviously didn't go down well for our favorite little teenage squad up in Hawkins. So why did teenagers like a show so much where teenagers just get murdered with their eyeballs coming out of their heads? You know what my issue, my only issue with this season was it was a lot more scary

and ghost oriented than any other season before because the seasons before they were more sci-fi like. Yeah. You know, it wasn't like being brutally murdered

but in this season we saw multiple brutal murders from this Vecna person. So like R-rated or PG-13? I'd definitely go

with the PG-13. Not like Halloween where like. We've-13? I'd definitely go with a PG-13. Not like Halloween where like... We've grown up, I've grown up with these kids. Yeah. Like these are my family on screen practically because I was watching the show when they were just the same age as I was. And now they're 21 and oldest.

And I mean, I guess it makes sense for the show to be more intense in a murderous way. But that innocence that I was very used to back in 2019 when season three came out was kind of lost because it's a lot more intensive a TV show to watch. I was nervous watching it on my own, and I've never felt that way with Stranger Things. Wow. Nervous? I was nervous.

I was really nervous. I was watching the last episode. Telling your brother to sleep with you at night? Oh, I called him an instant after I finished and I was really scared. But I think we should talk about the last episode because it was absolutely terrifying. So in the last episode, there's three different things going on. Joyce and Murray are in Alaska trying to save Hopper from this high tech hidden prison, this Russian prison where they're just being treated like animals, being abused, blah, blah, blah. They're doing all this work for the Russians.

Somehow Hopper murders like 10 different Russian soldiers with no shoes on and hardly any materials. With a gun that he found, he escapes. They find him. They take him back. And then the Russians' tactic was to try and murder the 10 most problematic prisoners with um an animal from the upside down so they basically put 10 russians or 10 russians capped captives or american captives in this chamber with an upside

down animal who just rains havoc on them who's the animal was like a pit bull it was it's they there were these demi dogs back in season two and it was like a version of a demi dog it was just it was the strangest thing i've ever seen and they basically made a show out of it and just watched all the people get murdered except for hopper because he knew how to escape from the demodog so he somehow takes over the entire russian prison escapes with joyce and murray he's free that happens in the very hilarious to hear this i'll describe because this sounds like the most ridiculous but it's so not dumb what is a demodog a demodog it's you don't understand you don't understand. You don't understand,

so just don't even talk about it. Can I adopt a demidog? Are they like rescue dogs? I don't think you want a demidog. Demidogs are murderous. Demidogs don't poop, so I think that there's some advantage there. But anyway, so they escape Hopper.

Hopper's safe. That's an A-plus part of the show. Great. But then somehow four of the characters get stuck in the Upside Down. Oh, no. They've found that at the sites of the murders of these teenagers,

because they're trying to solve Vecna, of course, they find that at the sites of the murders is where you can enter the Upside Down, their portals to get into the upside down. So four of them fall into it. Steve is the first one who just ends up falling into one of the traps and is in the upside down. He can't get out because there are these murderous birds that are trying to guard all the gateways because they're trying to keep him in there so Becknett can murder him. Did he see the Sacramento Kings in there? Sacramento Kings? They're the worst NBA team. I think they're trying to keep him in there so Becknett can murder him. Did he see the Sacramento Kings in there?

Sacramento Kings? They're the worst NBA team. I think they're on the upside down. They might be up there. They've been in there since 2006. Keep going. So Steve is in there. Nancy follows him next.

Then Robin follows Nancy. And then the new guy on our show, I can't quite remember his name, but he is like the... New guy. The new guy. We'll call him the new guy. Yeah. And he's the one that's being convicted for all these murders

because they think he's a Satanist who caused all of these deaths to happen. Yeah, I heard there was like a Satanist element to the Stranger Things. That's what they allegedly... I don't like Satan stuff. I don't like Satan stuff either. See, it's like getting creepy.

Yeah. But they think like... It kind of messes with you. Allegedly that he was a Satanist and he was murdering all these people which in reality was not the case vecno was doing it and he was just the butt of that but they all end up in the upside down they're trying to escape and there was this incredible cinematic scene where they somehow can communicate with the four other people that aren't in the upside down, but they are in the same spot as the upside down people are.

It's like they're in the mirror world, but in the same house. They all went to Nancy's house and the four that were in the upside down were in Nancy's house. But then the other four, like Dustin and then Max and Lucas were in the real world and they could vaguely hear Lucas talking. So they start communicating. This sounds like the Memorial Day party you went to with the 20 bodyguards. They start communicating

with a light game and it was just the most incredible scene. Because they somehow broke open the upside down and then they were free. But here's the thing. This entire season we didn't see much of Elle who was a leading character throughout this entire show but she definitely took a bigger role in season three

yes so l actually ends up being recaptured by papa which is the guy the hospital guy who originally gave her her powers right she gets recaptured by him because she has lost all of her powers due to overuse when she tried when when she murdered the monster from season three and closed the gate to the Upside Down, which the Russians were trying to break through. Yeah. Kawhi Leonard lost his powers after the 2019 finals. There's a lot of sports parallels. I know. Well, you always seem to make those.

Thank you. But Millie is now trying to re-find her powers and papa is helping her so she is reliving all of these experiences that she had throughout her time in the hospital which she had blocked out most of so he put this little headpiece on her she was reimagining all this stuff she felt like she was truly there and she was discovering how she originally gained her powers which would help her regain them yeah and so it there is this scene in the hospital if you're not being worked with by papa you're in this extra room where you're just doing little mind games to try and work your powers exercise them per se so she's in she's in the she's in the hospital room

and there's a hot there's a proctor there's nurses everywhere so that they make sure that none of the She's in the hospital room. And there's a proctor. There's nurses everywhere so that they make sure that none of the patients do anything bad. Because it's a hell for these kids. You can't even imagine. Whatever. Their brains are being pegged. They're little pets. But turns out that this guy was actually number one.

The original patient in the hospital that Papa had taken over. But just wait, it gets better. They had shown that Vecna had affected this. There was this alleged serial killer that was in a highly guarded prison that two of the girls had visited because they wanted to learn more about Vecna. They didn't know that there was this parallel quite yet.

Yeah. But this house was the origin about Vecna. They didn't know that there was this parallel quite yet. Yeah. But this house was the origin of Vecna where three family members or two family members got murdered. It turned out that the little boy that lived in that house, he had the special powers that El has without having to learn them from Papa.

It's like The Shining. Yeah. He was the OG. Danny and Scottman Crothers had The Shining together. He was the original together yeah he had he was the original power guy so he realized that he obtained these powers he ended up murdering his whole family because he just thought that he was better than everyone else he didn't end up murdering his dad because he passed up before that his dad thought he died the dad got taken

i've been saying that forever the dad went to prison because it was suspected that he murdered all of his family and the kid remained remained free, got caught by Papa. Papa was working with him, ends up being a nurse in Papa's hospital. And then in this hospital, this is all a flashback. Meanwhile, these hospital experiences that Elle is re-experiencing. So at the beginning, very beginning of the season, there is a scene where Elle is covered in blood and Pop is like, what did you do? And she allegedly murdered the entire, all the patients in the hospital. Turned out that number one had, she'd taken the chip out of number one, which was controlling his brain. He went insane and murdered everyone in the hospital. And then L, he was about to murder l she sends him into the upside down jake protected her she sends him in stop it she sends him into the upside down

and he becomes beckner so he's the mind flayer how crazy is that so that was the big that was the big reveal right at the end and that it, it was the scariest, I'm telling you, I've never been so scared in my life. I am a horror movie fanatic. I love thrillers. I'm all for all that kind of stuff. We've grown up around that. That's just the way we work in this house.

Chris and Sean didn't believe that we showed Ben Halloween when he was like four. And I watched Chucky when I was three. So I had reoccurring dreams about him for multiple years afterward. Well, it was. I don't like the Chucky movies.

It happened. But I was legitimately scared watching this episode of television. And I do have to say the beginning of the season was definitely slow and I missed seeing all the kids together and doing their thing in Hawkins.

But I get that they have grown up and that's just how they have to do it now. But I like the place that we ended off at. And I have a few confidences about where we could be going. Well, I went and asked you about that. But my first question is, is this it?

Season four, it's done. There's no season five. I've talked to a few friends and they think that it should be over at season four. I could never let go of this show and I don't want it to be over. Therefore, I'm not going to think that way but i'm i'm just not sure how many different directions they could go in because it takes three years to manufacture a type of show like this with the intense scenes

that they have like expensive yeah the sci-fi like it's absurd things that they have to do to to make the show this show and in that amount of, Lucas is going to be 25 by the time they release the next episode. He can't be playing a freshman in high school anymore. At this point, he can't be playing a freshman in high school. As you've seen, my favorite show, 90210, didn't stop them from continuing to carry the kids on to college when they had receding hairlines. Yeah.

And you know what? As much as I really, really hope and pray that there will be another season, it, I don't think it would feel the same to watch these adults trying to play freshmen in high school because it just doesn't make sense anymore.

No, the show is so authentic. Yeah, and you can't, you can't overwork something that's so perfect. Like, it's,

it has been so perfect every single season. Season two sucked, but I blocked that out. Season one, season three, season four, all perfect the way that they are. They didn't put too much.

They didn't put too little. I got everything I needed. And this is the most iconic show for your generation. I think it is. I truly do. So like 30 years from now and the people are in and out

of drug rehab who are on the show and you're like, oh my God, I'm so glad they're still alive. And that'll be your show. Sincerely, it is. It is our show. We grew up with these kids, which I think is so important. We went

through a pandemic and we are still loving them. This was a comfort show for myself and a lot of my friends. It's just something that you go back to and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside despite all the murders. What are your theories, predictions for the last couple episodes? Someone's going to have to die

and that's just going to be the way it is. There has to be. Doesn't Millie Bobby Brown have to be the one who dies at the end? Yeah, I mean, that's the way that the show would end. So I'm, that is a good thought

that she would have to die. If they're ending the show, then that's how they should do it. She should die, which would be heartbreaking, but I would be more hurt to watch someone like dustin or steve die just because they are like my little i don't know who those people are but i

would be sad they're very cute and just like tiny and like steve's not tiny on the show steve which one is he he is the just graduated out of high school like dustin's older brother he kind of takes care of the group nancy's how tall isfriend. Is he tall? I haven't looked that up because I don't want to ruin it. I'm assuming he's like 5'10". Does Steve know that you only consider people who are like 6'2 and over? Doesn't concern him.

Jason Tatum, if you're listening to this, you know where to find me. Jason Tatum, please stay away. Don't stay away, Jason. What were we just talking about? Theories. Okay. Elle is going to be murdered, I feel like, don't stay away Jason what were we just talking about theories okay

Ella's gonna be murdered I feel like if they want to end the show that's how it should go she dies and then every tie to the upside down is also murdered in turn alright so Dustin and Steve Dustin and Steve can't die that would be traumatic they can't do that they can't

kill anyone that's too close to our heart like no offense to Lucas he can die if he wants to die max i wasn't that sad before she's gonna die someone like l steve l is probably going to die but steve dustin any of those kind of heartwarming like brother-like characters if they die then i i wouldn't be able to handle it ben what's your ben ben simmons showed for some reason. What's your big prediction? They're killing Steve. It's happening. I don't think that...

I promise you they're killing Steve. No, but I think that'd be more heartbreaking than beneficial to the show. I don't see why they'd do something like that. Because it's a heartbreaking... Yeah, but they don't... They're not going to kill Eleven. Eleven's the...

Yeah, but honey, the show's going to be over. No, it's not. They got renewed for season five. Since when? What do you mean? That's been announced. I don't know if I believe anything that comes out of your little mustache mouth. Okay, anyway,

it's either Steve or Robin's gonna die. It's gonna either affect Steve or Robin. Robin would suck. Oh my god. I think Robin's gonna die. I really sincerely hope that Steve doesn't die. He can't die. The show would be missing a vital character that he provides the brotherly safe character. He keeps all the kids in check. We need Steve. You can't die. The show would be missing a vital character that he provides the brotherly, safe character.

He keeps all the kids in check. We need Steve. You can't get rid of Steve. Get rid of Robin. As sad as that is. All right, we agree. Kill Robin. Kill Robin.

But don't. back in February 2022 it was announced the series would return. Oh! For her fifth and final season. Lucas will be 25 as a sophomore in high school. It's going to take a while.

Oh. And then... Maybe they'll have a new cast. The Duffer brothers have teased there may be spinoffs set in the world of the show, although they'll be concluding the story of Eleven with season five. Oh, she's dead. She's dead. So they kill Eleven?

Eleven's dead. Okay. Anything else? Does this... I mean, you and your brother don't have a lot of things in common anymore it's a stranger things it really has held us together these past few weeks it's really all we have left yeah what else do you guys have i don't know ben has his trips to the village and hanging out with girls from my school and then traumatizing me as I watched them walk past me in the alley. And I have nothing else with him.

It's really just that. Everything that I hear about him from others. What's it like to be a senior in a week? It's definitely a weird thought. I do feel like I am a senior though. Like I'm a true senior. I feel like I'm old enough. I feel old enough. When I do think of like i'm a true senior i feel like i'm old enough i'm i feel old enough when i

do think of like that classic high school senior i think of people that might look older than me but then again i also realize that they put 25 year old people as sophomores in high school on tv so there's no accurate representation you know what i meant to ask you about this huh um we were talking in the car about ben's generation oh how. How kind of a little reckless they are. It's not even reckless. It's like 12 and 13 year olds think that they should be behaving like 18, 19 year olds. And it's ridiculous to me

because there are these vital years in your life between ages 12 and 15 and a half where it's like you're awkward, you're ugly, you don't quite know how to talk to the other sex. But Ben's pretty handsome. Ben's handsome. But you're awkward, you're ugly, you don't know how to talk to the other sex. You don't go out to parties. You're very self-conscious. You're self-conscious you're self-conscious you're like and it's it's vital and it's like you have some sort of obsession with some sad tv show like Grey's Anatomy or

whatever it may be but it's like you are a sad human being like you are a shell of yourself for these years no no no just chill and then the rest of your life is great but it's like you need these few years that you look back on you're like okay like life was sort of shitty but there are a lot of good moments and i needed that to be who i am today because if i grew up too quickly i wouldn't appreciate what i have now like ben has probably experienced just as much as i've experienced as a 17 year old he's 14 you look too old you dress too old you don't have a mic you're not allowed to talk um wait i think part of the problem is the pandemic. Well, of course. Because the 12 and 13 year olds, if you were like sixth, seventh, eighth grade during the pandemic, you're trapped in the

house. Yeah. You don't get that like a little bit of an exploration. So now like all of a sudden you come out and you're in the eighth grade and you've been trapped in the house for two years. Yeah. And you're like, I got to go out. I got to go here. I got to go there. And you've had that time to like go through your ugly stage without anyone looking at you and then fixing it because you're so focused on yourself in that time where it's like you're just working on yourself, making yourself better. But I feel like it's important to be ugly and be ruthless and be like, not know what you're doing in front of other people because it's shaping. I think my ugly stage lasted for like seven years.

Well, that's just you then. It was probably until my senior year in high school. You weren't doing too bad. Didn't you have two prom days or something? I just think it's important for kids to experience what kids should truly experience and it's just all rushed nowadays

and everyone wants to be old and then when you're old and you're doing all this type of stuff for the rest of your life, you're going to be like, why didn't I enjoy the years when I could have enjoyed my youth? I feel like I fully lived out my youth. And I don't think Ben's living out his youth in the way that I lived out my youth. I think Ben's living out like five youths. Ben's living out being a terror to every security guard in any mall vicinity. Laughing proudly. being a terror to every security guard in any mall vicinity laughing proudly ben just don't

don't do it like i wouldn't even dare i still wouldn't even dare to mess with any sort of authoritative figure like it just blows my mind that like these these freshmen in high school don't realize that they're freshmen and that there is some sense of seniority i also go to a pretty sheltered high school where it's like everyone's nice to everyone, but like kids need to be reality checked. You mentioned that where because the two years got taken out the pandemic, they just, they've never, they've never experienced the hierarchy either. It's like all these benefits that seniors and juniors get, we don't even get anymore because of the pandemic. Like we can't go off campus. There's no like extra part of being a upperclassman in high school. And I just wish that... I genuinely do think it's important for your character to not be hot your whole life. Ben has been attractive

throughout the entire duration of his life. And I'm not saying that I was unattractive, but I wasn't as attractive as he was at his age. And he'll never experience like that, feeling uncomfortable in himself. And I feel like that's an important thing to experience because then you become more humbled and you're like not an asshole. And Ben's an asshole, so. Ben, you suck. Which one of you is more likely to take care of me

when I'm much older? Oh, absolutely. Ben pointed this finger at me within three seconds. I will be there at the hospital home and Ben will be partying it up at a rooftop at Century City. He'll graduate from the Century City grounds to Century City bar. You do nothing for this family. At least I have one of you.

All right. So we'll do teen culture awards for the half year at have one of you. All right. So we'll do Teen Culture Awards for the half year at the end of June. So start making your... Stranger Things, Don't Kill Steve, and Jason Tatum.

My number is 213. All right. Thanks, Zoe Simmons. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Kyle Creighton for producing, as always. Thanks to Dylan Birkin

and Steve Cerruti. Thanks to Kevin O'Connor. Thanks to my daughter, the one and only Zoe Simmons. And I think we're going to see Friday night after game four. God only knows what's going to happen to them. On the way so I never said I don't have feelings within On the way so I never said I don't have feelings within