The Bill Simmons Podcast - Boston's Big Night and Guess the Lines Week 7 With Cousin Sal | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 428)

Episode Date: October 15, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Patriots-Chiefs shootout, the Steelers' impressive comeback against the Bengals, and the Dolphins and Bears' nail-biter finish (03:15), before they guess the NFL lines for Week 7 (39:30). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And then I'm going to feed Joe House. I'm going to try not to feed him during the taping of stuff, but right afterwards, I'm going to shove food down his throat. Speaking of shoving food down their throat, Cousin Sal, he's in Brooklyn. He's waiting for the phone call on East Coast time right now. We're going to call him, but first, our friends from Pearl Jam. All right, it's almost midnight East Coast time. He's in Brooklyn. Jimmy Kimmel goes to Brooklyn every year and has talk shows with an audience. Sal is there.

You're also going to be hosting Lock It In on FS1 every day, right? That's right. Monday through Friday 4.30 to 5.30 East Coast time. I have to say this is one of my least favorite podcasts because it is midnight out here. We're going to be done at 1.30.

No, we're going to go fast. 1.30 in the morning. We're plowing through. Then I have to go to howard stern jimmy's on howard stern tomorrow i have to leave here like 5 30 and just to hear you gush about the red socks and the patriots pulling out these squeakers so let's hear it those are that's what you're calling them squeakers those are two great victors we saved the red socks season the patriots won one of the most exciting Sunday night football games ever. I'm giddy.

Oh, I hate it. I'm so giddy. Tackle Brady. Stop being afraid. Tackle Brady. That never happens to the Titans or anything. Tackle him if you have him tackled at the three. What was that?

Well, you know, Collinsworth, it took him like five minutes to realize that it was actually the new rule that caused Brady to break free. I mean, any other time, Brady just gets thrown to the grass. But everyone's afraid to do that anymore. So, I listen. We both watch a lot of football every week. We are six weeks into the season.

That's the first time I remember a game possibly swinging on the on, uh, the defender letting up like that. Right. Defender letting up. Yeah. We've had passing it. We've had a roughing the passer calls that factored into the outcome, but yeah, for sure. Cause if, if disgusting, if he just throws them down, Pat's probably, I'm guessing the past kick the field goal. And then let's say the chiefs go down and score. Now the Pats have to score a touchdown to win. I mean, they still might have won, but it definitely affected the game.

And I don't know, I feel bad for these 290-pound behemoth defensive players. You know, it's just tough to know how far to go. And I think we're asking a lot because we're watching this stuff and we're judging people and, you you know super slow-mo and how they're supposed to behave and you forget like these people are just running around you know and they're supposed to instinctively know exactly what the right pressure to exert is but Sal let's

this is getting us away from um it's a great win I'm I'm only partially kidding that's a huge win and obviously you need to be on the right side of that game going forward. But, um, but man, it's, uh, it, it, well, go ahead. Let's, let's hear you. I want to hear you get it all out. I think the chiefs somehow had a worse defense than the Patriots and the Patriots defense was abominable and there would be nothing more fitting for the AFC title game this year than to have the Pats and Chiefs in it just playing like a 47 to 44 type game. Because that's what football is now. It's flag football. So we might as well. That might as well be the AFC title game.

It's just two completely unstoppable offenses. And then what's the NFC? You want Rams Saints to bookend that? I mean, I guess that would be the most exciting 160 point between the two games, title games, right? That's probably the final four right now, right? The gun to your head final four would be that. So that never is how it plays out six weeks into the season.

So who, if you had to say one of those four teams falls out, who would you pick? Oh man, I don't know i here's what's different about this year in the last couple years like there's just no there is no defense so you might why wouldn't the gun slinging team just make it as far as they can now maybe you throw pittsburgh in the mix there now and maybe a can of seaside i don't know the vikings don't seem to get their crap together i don't know i don't know who jumps in that mix there. Pittsburgh-Cincinnati was interesting

because Cincinnati just kept losing guys on defense as the game went along. And then by the end of the game, they just didn't have anyone left. But they really just had a chance to put the game away. They made a rare game management mistake. I think they had first down from like the 11. They needed a touchdown.

There's like a minute 20 left. Yeah. And this is the old Lombardi always talks about this about, you know, make them either burn a timeout, make the clock move something.

They ran a five-yard pass to A.J. Green and he went out of bounds. And then they scored in the next play. Right. And Pittsburgh had three timeouts left and like a minute 11 left.

All they needed was a field goal. The Bengals had lost, what, four guys at that point on their defense? It just seemed like preordained. The Steelers were going to go down the field. They lost a lot, but it wasn't as terrifying a game as we're used to, where the stretcher's coming out every six plays. I think they were like

99 yards and penalties combined, which isn't a ton for these teams but um like perfect went after like everybody on the other team but right uh it was like 800 yards of offense though come it wasn't it wasn't what we were used to but it wasn't in the sense that this is seven in a row for pittsburgh over cincinnati yeah this is a curse this is a weird curse now that needs to be lifted. And it's not even like the Bengals are worse than the Steelers, I don't think.

You know, I think if the Bengals had won that game, I think they would have been in the driver's seat for that division. You know, the Ravens had an impressive ass-kicking of a win over Tennessee that I certainly did not expect. And, you know, they already beat them once since they would have to beat them again. But I think if they had won this Pittsburgh game, they, I, I just liked that team. I think they're good, but you know, they, they were in this habit of their, these come from behind touchdowns in the fourth quarter at some point it was

going to bite them in the ass. That is probably, yeah, that is, I think hands down the best division right all four of those teams the Browns are the worst team out of the four and the Browns actually have some talent I think so yeah and they're 2-3-1 but meanwhile that's the best one I think

yeah I don't know what's even the second best would you say NFC South? no I wouldn't I think it's hands down AFC North. It's funny because... AFC what? The AFC North. I just meant for a second.

That's the best. Then you have the Rams who somehow just play... They're in this run. They play the Niners coming up this week. They're in this run of just they're going to be favored by 7.5 to 17 points every game. They play the Niners coming up this week. They're in this run of just, they're going to be favored by, you know, seven and a half to 17 points every game.

And they squeezed that one. I actually listened to that in the car. I should not have gambled today because it was the classic. I was on the road with my daughter two hours from LA watching on my phone. And it just never goes well when that happens. That was a tremendous, tremendous backdoor cover by the Broncos

who had shown no life offensively before the fourth quarter. We had a couple, but I'm still looking. Yeah, no, there were a couple, but I'm looking for a scenario where the Rams like this is supposed to be the trip up game. I think it was like 29 degrees. Yeah, friend Harry said it was 29 degrees. I always check trust him with the weather in Denver. You think they would slow them down but goff completed 14 passes and they still won the

game because girly went nuts and they ran they ran all over denver which all of a sudden they don't have a good run defense they've given up to the jets and rams almost 600 yards on the ground yeah so i don't know what's going on with Denver, but yeah, man, this Rams team does not lose. They just score and score. One of the highlights of not being near TV on a Sunday for a lot of the Sunday and listening to the radio and stuff is the local announcers calling the football games. I was in, my daughter had, her game was at like 135. So I was in just sitting in my car, listening to Bengal Steelers and Dolphins Bears while also watching on my phone. But it was delayed on the phone.

The feed was faster. And the local guys are just cheering. It's really incredible. There's nothing like it. There's no hint of objectivity the whole time. And the Miami Bears won. The Miami guys are just no, no.

Like they're screaming. Like it's like me and you watching the thing. I think that bears game might've been fixed. It's very possible. Yeah. You, you texted that to me and that was, that was a phenomenal ending. Like the bears had it in hand and then they didn't.

And then Trubisky wasn't terrible, but they just, yeah, he's terrible. I don't know what he had. Brock Osweiler, the heist was in there and it was still in the game in the fourth quarter. And then the fumble at the goal line, Kenyon Drake. I was like cursing him.

And then I like felt bad for him. You know, it's like when you want to scold your child. And then you see his he's got his head in his hands for like four minutes. It's like, all right, now I feel bad. And then the Bears couldn't get it done on the other end. Well, the Bears were up like seven or eight and they actually scored a touchdown to basically put the game away

and it got called back on a flag. And then Mitch threw an interception on the next play. And when stuff like that happens, you go, oh boy, here we go. But Osweiler started out pretty good and then had the classic, just horrific Osweiler pick six throw. But the guy got tackled from behind.

I felt like Osweiler's out of practice with the pick six. He wasn't, he's got to work on it more. He didn't lead the defender enough. I think he yelled at, he yelled at his own guy for tackling him. He's like, hey, what are you doing? Don't you know how this is supposed to work? Yeah. And Nathan Peterman's really taken his corner as the pick six king.

That's right. But that was a, that was a weird game for the bears because you know, I gotta be honest. I'm disappointed in them. I, I, that's a game that their defense should just win by itself. You know,

Brock Osweiler, yeah. Your defense against Brock Osweiler. That game shouldn't be close. They gave up 31 points somehow. I know Trubisky had a couple. I tweetediler, that game shouldn't be close. They gave up 31 points somehow. I know Trubisky had a couple turnovers. I tweeted that. That was the sucker bet of the week, of the year, Chicago,

because the line started at 3.5, which I thought was too much there. It actually started at 3, favored by 3. Then it went to 3.5. I loved it at 3. I'm like, oh, this is going to go to 2.5. But it went to 3.5, so I was wrong there. And then they announced that Osweiler was in. It was from 6.5 and then 7. So I was wrong there. And then they announced that Osweiler was in, it was from six and a half and then seven.

So now you have an overtime game. If you have them three and a half, you're not going to cover on a field goal. Right. And if you have them six and a half, you're not going to cover on a touchdown in overtime, but neither happened. They missed the field goal, right?

Chicago missed the field goal. Well, they take days in Miami comes down and when they set things up for a 52 yarder from their kicker on the road, which is always a great idea. Always want to get your guy on grass in a stadium he's not familiar with from 52 for the game. It just wasn't impressive. What I had thought the Bears were potentially going to blossom into

was this kind of just kick-ass old school defense. And then on offense, they can run the ball and control the clock. But their defense just wasn't that imposing. They're also like strangely coached. I got to say like, they, you know, I like Tariq Cohen. I think he's exciting, but he's almost like a six man in basketball.

You know, he's like Eric Gordon. He's a change of pace guy. He can take over your offense for a little bit, but you don't want the whole offense revolving around him. I don't understand why they don't pound the ball with Jordan Howard more. Out of all the teams I watch on Sundays, I'm the most confused by their offensive game plans. It just seems like they should just be pounding the ball with Jordan Howard, 25 carries a game, and then using Cohen as a change of pace guy. And instead, it's like Cohen running between the tackles and stuff.

He's like 5'6". I don't get it. Right. Yeah, they should control the clock. I mean, Trubitsky only threw 31 times. But yeah, I thought that was strange. But there is no such thing as old school defense. Like you might have a team like the Bears play good defense or a team like the Jaguars play good defense two weeks in a row

and then it just goes away. And it really is whoever scores the most. And that's why we talk about Pittsburgh. They're just always, I think, going to be in these games regardless of how poor their defense is because they could stretch the field and score in like three plays. Well, what I realized today is that we do not have a great defense this year.

Usually there's always one kick-ass defense and it's not the Bears. that we do not have a great defense this year. Usually there's always one kick-ass defense. And it's not the Bears. Now, you could say the Ravens getting their shutout against the Titans. Maybe they're the most reliable defense we have. But even in that case, we've seen people throwing them and stuff.

There's just not that one dominating. You know, like in fantasy, there's always that one fantasy defense that's putting up crazy points. And I don't see it this year, but that might be a symptom of it. Yeah, everybody's played five games now or six games.

Yeah. And nobody has four good defensive games. No. Speaking of fantasy, controversial trade in our league today, this morning, 15 minutes before game time. The Jennys, Tal, John, and Jamie, who were three and trade in our league today, this morning, 15 minutes before game time. The Jennys, Tall John and Jamie, who were three and two in our league, traded with the Bar Owls, who are 0-5.

And the 0-5 team, the Bar Owls, it was like basically a three for one. And the 0-5 team traded Todd Gurley and got back David Johnson, Sonny Michelle, and Marshawn Lynch. It was the classic three quarters for a dollar trade. Right. If this was 20 years ago, I felt like this would have led to a 7,000 email thread with people being insulted and people challenging each other to fight. But now we're all in our 40s and who gives a shit? But I do think we might have to pass a rule.

We're all too old to fight except for Hench. He'll go for weeks. He doesn't care. Yeah, I knew Hench was going to flip out and he did. But I think there should be a rule if you're 0-5, maybe if you're 5 games under 500 you can't trade in fantasy are you good with that Kyle?

I like that I'm cool with that once you fall 5 games back maybe you're not allowed to trade like the 3 best players on your team there's got to be something we can do but hold on I was 0-5 and I offered you half jokingly I don't even know if it's a joke anymore.

I offered you Gronkowski for Gostkowski, and you're like, yeah, let's do that. I thought you were kidding. So what are you talking about? I don't think I'm kidding now. I think Gronk is good for one 35-yard play now, and that's it. And Gostkowski kicks five. He'll never miss a field goal again.

Well, you know what happens. I'll consider something like that. Here's the thing with Gostkowski kicks five, he'll never miss a field goal again. Well, you know what happens. I'll consider something like that. Here's the thing with Gronk. Gronk has turned, and I've discussed this with you the last two years, but now it's really the case. Gronk is now in the garage with like, what's that yellow thing? The old people put on like their old Mercedes Benz from 1972. People in like Palm Springs.

It's like the cover. Yeah, they put that cover. Gronk has that cover gronk's gronk has that cover on he's just in the garage and then today belichick called his his assistant coaches on the headset he's like all right we're gonna have to take rock out of the out of the garage for this one to run a couple plays for him so we're just gonna have to risk it and then you like you bring gronk out of the garage and then saying and you're just hoping this is why i didn't this is what i wasn't excited about what me me talking about the pats yeah yeah but you know we get on andy reed back to the patriots because

i actually don't think we've discussed it no we didn't we get on andy reed's case but you knew the chief scored scored too soon, right? Oh, yeah. When it was three minutes late. Well, they couldn't stop us. By like two minutes and 45 seconds. Right. There's nothing they could have done.

I don't expect Hill to pull up there. But when you're hanging on Gronk's legs from the 10 or the 8-yard line and barely hard, really struggling to get him down, just let him go. Give the quarterback of the future 55 seconds to go downfield, and I think they had a timeout. barely trouble hard really struggling to get them down just just let them go give your give the quarterback of the future 55 seconds to go downfield and i think they had a timeout yeah they did because they ended up using it um they have to players have to be a little smarter here everybody everybody in kansas city knew they should have let them score there well i thought the steelers did that today in the uh the bengals? I thought they were more than happy to give up the touchdown

with like a minute 15 left. Right? Yeah. I mean, it was the right move. You don't have to use another timeout. Yeah, I think they should almost coach that. Like they do baseball players. Like, all right, don't let anything get behind you.

Play deep here. But if it does get behind you, just let it go. I don't know. They need to, it has to be better field awareness. I thought Mahomes looked nervous in the first half. I think that that was the first time I've seen a look. And it's funny because he's played on Monday night, but it was against the Broncos.

This was different. This was, holy shit. I'm playing on Sunday night. Al Michaels is calling the game. There's Tom Brady. That's, oh my God, there's Bill Belichick over there. And he just, I didn't think he played great. And then in the second half, he ramped it up.

And the crazy thing with him is the ability for him not to have a great game and then just uncork some 55-yard pass. It's like, oh, okay, you are having a good game. And he ended up with good stats. You think he could hear Al Michaels call the game? If that's the case, you're right. I think he knows he's there. It's Al Michaels. He's a legend.

I mean, he definitely, at the end of the game, it was interesting. Brady, who doesn't usually do stuff like this, kind of sprinted over to him and kind of gave him a little torch pass. Did You notice that? Well, he knows.

And listen, if you're a football fan, you, you need Pat Mahomes to be good. You need Baker Mayfield to be good because guys like the Sean Watson and my very own Dak Prescott, who were, you know,

were sent to Canton after their first, like three games in their career. Yeah. Maybe not as good. So what are you going to do when Breeze is gone and Rodgers is gone and Brady is gone? We need guys like this

to, you know, make the league survive. I'm glad you brought up Dak Prescott. Crown Royal is doing something pretty cool this football season. They launched a responsible drinking program called the Water Break.

It's all about encouraging people to hydrate between drinks for a better experience, whether at the game, watching at home or in a bar. Have a great time. Enjoy some Crown. Don't be that person that ruins it for everyone.

We've all seen that guy who drank too much watching the game. Make the right call. Take a water break. You know who made the right call this week? Jerry Jones. Kept Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett. Oh, shut up.

Oh, my God. You're making this even worse now. No, it's like he's like Vince Lombardi he's back he figured it out you got this Jason Garrett Clapper

don't make a mockery of the sponsored segment I'm not making a mockery why would you do this you could have fired your coach last week now you killed the Jaguars Jason Garrett

he's back this is it man 80 to 7 if he wasn't coaching Jerry Jones is a smarter businessman than both of us, and obviously he knows what he's doing, and he knew that he saw something in Jason Garrett

that I don't think either of us see. So I think he made the right call this week. What do you think? Who made the right call this week? I think you're not drinking responsibly before these podcasts. That's what I think. I don't know. Prescott had a 180 it was a weird game when when was the last time you saw a 47 point score in a game where there was like 300 yards passing between the two quarterbacks i really don't know what happened i know cole beasley was

great i don't i don't understand why the jags aren't scoring portals had two 375 yard games before this and they were out of it. They were done, like, middle of the second quarter. Well, let's talk about the Jags in a second. Who's your right call for the week? My call, Frank Gore. 15 rushes, 101 yards. Yeah.

The guy's 78 years old, still going strong, fourth leading rusher in history, and has a big, big run in overtime, gets him down. And I think you give him the ball and not Drake. I don't think you have all that drama the last six or seven minutes after that. But good for you, Frank Gore. See, that's how you do it.

So is the right call giving the ball to Frank Gore? The right call to Frank Gore is to continue to play in his 70s. I'm confused. Oh, I think just them signing him for another Gore. The right call to Frank Gore is to continue to play in his 70s. I'm confused. Oh, I think just them signing him for another year is the right call. I think he has five years left. Yeah, he might. I don't see a roadmap to him retiring.

He still seems like he's the 18th best running back in the league somehow. Hey, Crown Royal reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and hydrate responsibly. So six weeks, somehow. Hey, Crown Royal reminds everyone this football season to take a water break and hydrate responsibly. So six weeks, I'm not doing well. My picks have been bad. I went 0-3

this week. I need to regroup and really do a deep dive into trying to figure out what that was going on. This new season and the new rules, all of the old rules I used to have and all the little stick by this, stick by that.

I'm just off this year, Sal, and I might do something dramatic. I might actually shut down shop for a couple weeks until I figure out what the F's going on with football. What does that mean? More bad news in this podcast? You're not going to gamble?

I have so much to deal with every day with my successful Boston sports teams. I don't really need to gamble right now. I'd rather just concentrate on what's important. But like today. Listen, there were some easy ones out there. We just got gun shy. The Chargers over the Browns. No.

Or point favorite or point underdog. That was stupid. I'm not betting on an Anthony Lynn, Hugh Jackson game. That was a good stay away. I support the stay away on that one. Come on. But Jags-Dallas, my compass is really off this season. And maybe the people out there should just be going against me.

But I looked at Jags-Dallas and I was thinking like, Bortles was terrible last week. That's a good proven, well-coached Jags team. You have Dallas who should have fired their coach a week ago that has shown no signs of life at all. And Dallas is not going to be able to get big plays against that Jags team. Like I had the whole setup in my head. And I was like, that line's too low.

It should be like four. Dallas isn't going to get big play. And I get in the car after Zoe's soccer game, and it was like Dallas 24, Jacksonville nothing, or whatever the score was. I was like, what? I don't understand it. So I just think this is a stupid season.

Well, why don't you do this? Because here's what I'm thinking. Rather than just eliminate the whole NFL, how about the AFC South and the NFC East? Now, I said you give me 11 opportunities. I couldn't tell you the winners of either of these divisions at this point. Everybody's got three wins, 3-3-1, 3-4, whatever, right in there. I just can't do it.

I don't know. Who would you pick? Who do you pick for either of these divisions? I don't understand anything. I don't think it might just be an across-the-board crapshoot. I thought the Pats were going to score points tonight.

We talked about they were plus 550 to score the most points today. Did they? Was 43 the highest number? Oh, that's right. They did, right? They did. Somehow I didn't bet that. I liked over 31.5. Plus 550, you're right. They did. I mean, somehow I didn't bet that. I like over 31 and a half, but plus 550, you're right. You did have that. That was the only thing that I was right about today

was that I thought the Pats were going to score a lot of points on the Chiefs because I do feel like the Pats have, offensively, they've gotten their mojo back. But other than that, I mean, the Jets put up a ton of points on the Colts for reasons. Wait, how many did they score? 42, right? Yeah, something like that.

Buffalo really. Patriots had more? Buffalo almost beat Houston. Yeah, New England has more. Buffalo almost beat Houston. I don't know. I give up, so. I don't know what's going on.

I mean, I know he played with, this seemed like another secret until Sunday. Like until Sunday like oh no Deshaun Watson has bruised ribs and bruised lungs like what bruised lungs but he's gonna play and then he ends up like 177 with two interceptions they get to the one yard line in the fourth quarter and they lose seven yards on three plays so they kick that field goal and to tie it and then peterman throws that pick six like maybe they knew what they were doing but that was gross down the stretch there's one thing that we were right on i'm going to take solace in this at least we we we were adamant that john gruden was going to be a train wreck on the raiders yeah we're well on our ways one in five and uh by all accounts it was a very depressing

raiders performance today i was talking to my our mutual friend alec about this like you you can't but it used to be just something you say like you can't be away from the game this long but the game has changed so much yeah that you just can't be away from it this long. Andy Reid has to keep up, and he has a magician as a quarterback now, and that's why it's working. But forget about just old coaches. You can't take three years off, I don't think, let alone what he did. You think it would be the same thing for a late-night host? If Kimmel retired next year, could he go away for 12 years

and then come back and just host a late-night show? No, I think it would be hard. I mean, well, 12 years. So that would be, let's see, Trump would be on his, Trump would be on his fifth term. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it's the same. Jimmy, whatever we say, Jimmy would say the opposite. No, I could do it. I could actually do it. Could absolutely. Well, I mean, it's not like it was 12 years ago, right? If you, if you, if you look at it that way, it's so much different. Yeah. I, I think we, we are instincts before the season. We love the Rams. We love the chiefs.

We thought the Raiders are going to be terrible. We really like the Bears and the Bengals as sleepers. Why aren't I winning money, Sal? We spelled out a lot of how the season was going to go, and I would owe three to that. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. It's just not bad anymore. Well, see, here's another thing. I'll give you another betting caveat.

Not that you even had this one, but I had it. Teams that have three road games in a row usually smoked, right? Yeah. Nothing doing. Who is that? If the line... Baltimore. Not only did they win the game, not even close. What do you do with Tennessee

now? Maybe it's just that division. Would you say home dogs were, you said they were 15 and 7 going into this week? You said that on Against All Odds on Wednesday. Is that what it was? Yeah dogs were? You said they were 15 and 7 going into this week. You said that on Against All Odds on Wednesday. Is that what it was?

Yeah. Is that it? It's 15 and 7? And how many home dogs covered today? We had the Dolphins won outright. We had...

Were the Browns a home dog? Yeah, jumped back and forth. So we only had one home dog today, I think. They were favored

by one, I think. Were the Titans a home dog? Who else was one home dog today they were favored by one I think were the Titans a home dog who else was a home dog Titans Ravens were Titans a home dog Washington wasn't Denver was a home dog

they covered so the move is just the first six weeks of the season pick every favorite and the home dogs and you'll probably go like 65%

I'll remember that I'm filing that away it's boring it's boring you end up rooting for bad quarter that. I guess I'll find that out. It's boring. It's boring. You end up rooting for bad quarterbacks, but I guess that's the way to do it. Well, you break all the rules you self-impose because you texted me today.

You were all excited about a three-team tease you did after we both sworn never to do three-team teases. Somehow you had one. Listen, Vikings win. Chargers win. Patriots plus six and a half. Never in doubt. We made our basketball bets today.

We finally, for the first time ever, because now House and I did our over-under spot. And I'm not saying this to brag. Like we actually moved a couple of lines. It's just a fact. Like we know what the lines were. And then two days later, the lines were different. So you can announce which ones. What was it? Was it Milwaukee over? The Milwaukee over. a fact. We know what the lines were and then two days later, the lines were different.

You can announce which ones. What was it? Was it Milwaukee over and the Celtics over? The Milwaukee over, the Celtics over, Moneyline got all screwed up and the Hawks under. And then Charlotte's division odds went way down too. So we jumped on them and if

you want to hear our basketball futures against all odds, I think we're... When are we posting that, Kyle? Tomorrow? Against all odds? Tonight. Late tonight. Or late tonight? Yeah. So that's our NBA futures, including there's an NBA future that I think is the biggest gambling

lock of the year. And I think the line... You'll hear when I go nuts about it on this podcast, and I guarantee that line moves by'll hear when I go nuts about it on this podcast, and I guarantee that line moves by like three points. I won't say what it is. We'll keep everyone in suspense. I can't wait to see what it is.

We should be able to bet on how much that line is going to move. But yeah, we go over all the division winners, all the division rookie of the year, MVP. And then we have like individual player props. Lots of stuff. House is coming here tomorrow. And it's like having a third kid because I have to plan how to feed house when you have young kids. It's like, we got to feed the kids by five.

House just needs to be fed like an animal. And every meal counts, right? You don't want to give them something crappy, right? Because he's kind of the expert. Well, I'm taking him to Major Domo tomorrow night. He hasn't been there yet. And he's going to make sweet love to a short rib. And it's going to be brilliant and great.

And he's going to go nuts. And it'll be awesome. And then the goal is so he doesn't eat so much that he can't be on TV with us tomorrow. I was at Momofoku, another one of our buddy David Chang's restaurant out here, Lower East Side. And last night I went with Doug DeLuca. And I think he actually ate three of his fingers.

He was an animal. What did you get for the entree? Oh, we got a bunch of stuff. I don't know. You didn't get the duck? No know you didn't get like it's the duck no we didn't get the duck but they had some gnocchi uh item that was just phenomenal i'll find out he went nuts i was going back and forth let's talk more about the patriots i hate this why do you hate this?

I don't know. You don't have to win both the Red Sox and the Patriots. Did the Bruins win today too? What are we doing? The Bruins are on a four-game winning streak. You know, there was a moment. It was like the Patriots game was really heating up. At the same time, the Red Sox were in the eighth inning. Porcello was in.

And I had the two TVs going on and it was tense, man. It was like either, either event would have been the most tense moment of my week and they were happening simultaneously. The biggest thing is Kimbrough is just a fucking heart attack now when he comes in. So you have like a three run lead and he's like this lights out closer who we've never, you know, he time to time he'll make you sweat for a little bit but now it's to the point when

it was like is that enough run Hensh and I are texting back and forth is that enough runs is that enough runs he comes in and he's three runs up and we like barely get out of the inning I think the Astros you know I think we would have trouble beating them anyway.

But then the fact that Chris Sale went from throwing 98 to 91 and cannot pitch five innings anymore. And then it came out today, he was in the hospital with a stomach illness. Really? None of that's good. I think the Astros are too good to be able to beat them without your ace. Seems unrealistic. Yeah, all tough outs.

But I will say, to your point about the closer, at least Kimbrel's getting it done. When you get, in 2015, when the Mets played the Royals in the World Series and Familia blew it in game one, when your closer's exposed that early, you feel like your house is bugged. No, no, I'm not. It's over. No.

So at least your step. 1-1 isn't bad. I will say, I said this to Jacko the other day because we went on the Ringer MLB show after that last Sox-Yankees game. When your closer is melting down in a big playoff game, I think it's the worst feeling you can have as a sports fan. I think it's worse than any other thing that could possibly happen of just like, and I'm not talking about one play.

I'm just talking about this five to 12 minute, just it's indescribable. It's like, it's like a five to 12 minute in, in China episode, like those episodes when you heard people think they had a heart attack, but then it turned out to be angina or a panic attack or whatever.

You can't do anything. There's nowhere to go. They're not going to take him out. They keep closing in on him. He's all sweaty. You can see every blood vessel in his eye. The fans are going crazy. It's just awful. What's worse than that?

The only other thing possible is is uh ot and playoff hockey oh yeah that's bad yeah but i will i think it's because i think i think tv has a lot to do with it because your closer is the guy you trust the most whether you do or not the way it's directed the way these baseball games are directed, they go back and forth between the crowd and the closer walking in from the bullpen. And sometimes you see most of his walk in and he's never more confident than when he's, you know, approaching the hill and, you know,

like playing with the rosin bag and everything is done with purpose and confidence. And then that's it just sapped from you one batter later. They're nibbling and they're not getting calls. The umpires in the, I don't know what the NL playoffs have been like in comparison, but the AL has had some really bad umpire in the game. One umpire in the Sox Astros was really, really awful. And but it's country Joe West makes up for all of it, right?

Country Joe West got hit by a throw to second base. He just didn't move. It was like, he was like, screw it. Let that thing hit me. I don't care. That thing nailed me right in the chest. Whatever. Fuck you guys.

So country of him. Yeah. These guys should at least be a little bit in shape. I'm not asking for like the ability to run a triathlon, but they should be able to run 40 feet without falling over. It would be my... I don't know why. I get seniority and you got tenure,

but these guys don't have to be like Supreme Court justices. We could cycle them in and out. We could move. We could keep going. I complain about NBA officials all the time. At least they're in shape. At least they're running up and down and might be getting tired and battling knee pain. And who the hell else knows what's going on?

Hey, we got to talk about FanDuel because I got my ass kicked yet again. Do you do Daily Fantasy or no? Am I the only one who's just getting killed every week? I think it's just you. Yeah. I just had too much going on the last couple weeks. Well, Sal, let me talk you into it. You spend all off-season researching,

getting excited for your fantasy draft, and then comes the pain, and suddenly your team's over. Your team in our league sucks. What are you, 0-5? 0-6? 1-5? 0-6.

How dare you tell them 0-5? 0-6.-5 0-6 how dare you 0-6 0-6 this is perfect you should be playing Daily Fantasy FanDuel has never been more fun or easy to play I've been playing in their

Gridiron Pick'em contest every week and losing in that every week I don't care it's still fun free contest all you need to do

is pick winners no spreads 10k split amongst the top pickers and then you know you can play a little flex lineup. I had a flex Sunday lineup today

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which I went to yesterday and get $20 off your first deposit. So check that out. Fanduel.com. There you go. Slash BS. Here's the secret of Daily Fantasy this year. Just put Todd Gurley in your lineup every week. That usually works.

You know who's going to be caught? What does a guy like that cost? $14,000? What do they make him? Oh,,000 he's the highest paid guy every time though should be Sony Michelle should be second Sony's pretty good

although James White was getting all the same yards too it's just I think now that they've spread the field out there's just some spots let's do guess the lines for week 7 Thursday night as a barn burner there's just some spots. Let's talk about, let's do Guest Alliance for week seven. Thursday night is a barn burner. Hold on to your hats, America.

Cards. Broncos in Arizona. Rosen. Keenum. What a battle. I still like Rosen. I think he's pretty good. Did better this week.

Better than the week you praised him. I think he had like 240. Only one interception. Listen, I just judge demeanor, leadership, charisma, unflappability. That's what I want for my QB. I like Josh Rosen. I'm in on Josh Rosen. I have the cards favored by one and a half against the

Broncos. The cards favored? Cards favored? Cards favored. Why? What's wrong with that? I had Denver favored by three and a half and it's Denver favored by one and a half. Oh, so you win that? I win that, yeah.

Denver's given up like 600 yards rushing in the last two weeks. Why are they favored in the road? This is why I'm not betting on football anymore. You could just find bad stats on both. Arizona was 0 for 13 on third and fourth down this week. I don't know. I don't even know who you'd pick. Let's keep moving.

That game's terrible. Sunday marquee game, Patriots at the Bears. Brady going against two future Hall of Famers. Back-to-back weeks. Pat Mahomes, Mitchell Trubisky. Kudos to him. I have, I think the Pats are favored by three and a half. You're going to get this.

You locked me out here. I said four. It's two and a half. You're going to get this. You locked me out here. I said four. It's two and a half. Really? Yeah. I'm a Pats fan. I would have wanted the Bears to win this week, right? Doesn't it seem like now they're going to play with purpose or something?

Something weird is going to happen here. It isn't a great matchup, but the hope is that the Bears are the team they look like today. I'm not sure about the head coach, for the record. Well, maybe this is interesting. Nagy had two weeks to prepare for Tannehill, right? Sure. That's the way to do it. What are you preparing. For Tannehill, right? Sure. Like, that's the way to do it.

What are you preparing for with Tannehill? I was stunned. Tannehill goes out and the line moves three and a half points. Because usually you see this with like Aaron Rodgers or somebody where he goes out and the line will move. In this case, it was Osweiler coming in, moved the line against Miami by three and a half points. I thought that was pretty neat. Right. Our friend Dave Tooley, I saw him on Twitter.

He made Miami his lock of the day. He thought the line was completely out of whack. He said Miami by seven was, he thought, one of the strangest overreaction lines of the season. It went all in on Miami by seven. There were certain times when you're like, the Bears are going to kill him. I laughed at Dave Tooley

because he was picking Brock Osweiler and he was happily doing it. I'm like, that's ridiculous. You're going to get killed. And not only did they win, but they actually

won the game too. No. Don't laugh at Dave Tooley. Yeah. We've learned the hard way not to laugh at Dave Tooley. Patriots minus two and a half against Chicago. I'm going to make a prediction.

That line does not settle at two and a half. You say it goes up to three, three and a half? I think that line ends up at three and a half. Right. People are going to take long, hard looks at Mitchell Trubisky as the week goes along. I smell like a 21-20 win or something stupid there. 21-20

for the Pats? For the Pats. And then you win, but you don't cover. But, you know, we had, you know, the Bengals almost did that today. Well, the way this Pats Red Sox-Astros thing is shaping up, it goes Tuesday,

Wednesday, Thursday Flip Cities Game 6 is Saturday Game 7 Sunday So what I'm telling you is we might be in store for the Heart Attack sequel for my dad

Oh wow, oh the poor guy I did, I FaceTimed my dad today after one of the games and I was going to do an Instagram photo of... I should actually tweet this now anyway because it's hilarious.

So I did the thing where you're FaceTiming somebody and you can do a screenshot of it for a picture and I was going to do a thing of FaceTime my dad after the game to make sure he was still alive. Right as I pressed the take the photo thing, and she texted me, that was an unreal face fuck. Because it was Kimbrough at home.

Kimbrough had given up that long hit to Bregman that ended the game on the long fly ball. Oh, yeah. So I have this photo here. Kyle could vouch. I have a photo of my dad on FaceTime with Hench's text. That was an unreal face fuck. This has got to go up.

Underneath it. I got to do it. I'm going to Instagram it so people can see it. Send that out there. Hench had it some day today. My God. Hench is running two shows. Trade analysis and everything?

He's running two TV shows and has time to send 10,000 texts. He loves it. I'm so upset about Craig Krimble's demise and Chris Sale yesterday. I'm concerned about your dad's heart. I really am. He's concerned. I don't think he could take another Sunday. Let the Astros just win this thing in five already

because I'm worried about him. The Astros are unbelievable. I mean, we knew this. They won the title. But man, when you're rooting against them, I'm sure you've bet against them a couple of times. But when you're really like in it and it's- All tough outs.

Springer, Altuve, and Bregman. And Bregman's probably been the most dangerous of the three. And then it's like, oh, we're not done there. There's Tyler White. He gets hot from time to time. And Gonzalez. And you just go through. And it's like, are there any easy outs?

Anyone? They're not even playing Evan Gattis. That team. Jesus. They bring in. There's the tag. I'd say the Brewers-Dodgers is similar. It's like a minor league version of that.

I wouldn't say minor league. It's, it's, it's right there. If you watch it, Dodgers have everyone on that line and that lineup is terrifying. And the Brewers, you know,

they, they hadn't lost in like almost three weeks. So, well, they definitely have teams are clutch. You know, I don't really watch nationally during this season. And then during the playoffs I'm like oh that

guy oh really he's Hensh and I were going nuts that Wade Miley not only was the game two starter for the Brewers but was throwing like a one hitter through five and was two for two hitting and we were like Wade Miley this was like our worst pitcher

in 2015 the National League is where these- Killed the Rockies, had a good start against the Dodgers. Yeah. It's good. These American League flame outs go to the National League and they get resurrected. And then somehow the National League wins the World Series.

Ah, it's like, whatever. It's AAA. It's AAA with some big salaries. Oh, AAA. Astros barely beat the Dodgers in the World Series. It's fine. You have like three good teams. The Brewers,

a bunch of cast-offs. Give me a break. We get it. You bat with a DH. Every team's batting average is 30 points higher. Good for you. I think your cute gimmick league

with the double switches is great. Where Wade Miley, instead of going to Japan, he could go to the National League and throw scoreless innings in the playoffs. It's great. I know the Brewers are going to win the World Series. The Brewers are going to win the World Series

and it's going to be ridiculous. I'm calling it now. All right. Well, the Brewers used to be an American League team, so that should make you happy. It actually would make me very happy. If the Red Sox did not win, I would be really happy if the Brewers won

because I like the good people in Milwaukee. The Fox Network would not be, but yeah, I think you're right. Brewers-Astros. I will say, though, man, I mean, the Astros should be the league's marquee team. That team is crazy. Plus, Verlander, you know, just dialing it up to 98 last

night. The guy's like 35. He was throwing like 95, 96. I lost more money on Verlander. Me and the parlay kid, we lost... Every time Verlander pitched at home, he was throwing like i lost more money on verlander me and the parlay kid we lost every time verlander pitched at home he was like a minus 260 and they lost all summer july entering august it's terrible now he's got it back i don't know what's going on with kate opton maybe she just maybe she leaves him alone now 12 hours before the games, but something's weird. Let's go to the watchables. I only had one watchable this week.

Baltimore is home for the Saints, arguably a marquee game. I think we're going to learn a lot about the Ravens this week. I can't tell if they're a legit Super Bowl contender or not. They have Joe Flacco as their quarterback, which raises an eyebrow or 16 for me. But they've been playing really well. If they win this Saints game, I think we have to say they're a contender.

I don't think there's any way around it. Don't you think? Yeah, if they win this, they're 5-2. I had them at minus 3 in this game. What did you have? I had them as minus three in this game. What'd you have? I had them as minus three as well. All right. It's minus two and a half. And this is a game I would love, love, love, love.

If they hadn't demolished Tennessee now, because now the, you know, the saints who are coming off a buy, right? Saints coming over by. Yeah. They're like, oh, we got to look out for them. They're not going to take us by. We can't let them take us by surprise. So that line's fair, I think.

We didn't talk about this yet, I don't think. The Drew Brees after he broke the record with all his kids on the field. Mm-hmm. I'm tired of these quarterbacks having these families where everything seems perfect and the kids are all well-behaved. Because that's bullshit. Because i'll just tell you this like if i had broken the passing yards record my son ben would have probably run and try to run on the field he it's some some terrible something would have happened there is no way your three kids would have behaved impossible no i have a story that'll support that this week but yeah I think two of them would have started punching each other. Then you look at the Breeze family and it's just these five kids just perfectly standing

there and he goes around and kisses them all on the forehead, tells them, it's great. Daddy, I hope you're proud of daddy. I'm like, this isn't realistic. You're making us look bad. No. Stop it. A lot of people watch that and had tears in their eyes. I think if they watched our family or your family, they that and had tears in their eyes. I think if they

watched our family or your family, they'd also have tears in their eyes, but it'd be for a different reason. It'd be like, oh my God, how does this family unit get through the day each day? It wouldn't be like, oh, that's great. That's a great milestone. And look how they treated him exactly how they should have. Ben came out of the bathroom from taking a dump the other day. I was like, Ben, did you wash your hands? And he said no. And then he leapt at me and tried to shove his hand in my face. That's what I want to see from Drew Brees

breaking the touchdown record. He's going around and one of the kids has a little hand poop surprise for him. Hey, the barely watchables. Chargers Titans in Los Angeles. Chargers starting to look a little frisky, which we've had our

eye on. We've been monitoring them. Before you say this line, here's your first scheduled F up here. Oh, it's in Tennessee? Chargers Titans in London. Well, listen, I'm going to add one schedule fuck up every podcast in London. You got it.

When is Sir Blake Bortles going to London? It's got to happen soon, right? I think it's three weeks in a row. So is it the next game? He needs it. He needs his London trip. He's not playing well. He's jonesing.

That's like his Vegas for us, right? That's like our Vegas. Like, hey, we got to get to Vegas. Yeah, I just need to go for a day, play some blackjack. He rallies the troops for Nottingham. He goes there, has some shepherd's pie, talked to some old guy with bad teeth, has some drinks at 3.30.

Well, Chargers-Titans in Vegas. I mean, London. Or Vegas. I'm going to have to redo my guess. I'm going to say Chargers by five and a half. Hey, you still get it. I said four, and I don't even believe that it should be four, but it's six and a half.

And this should not be close. Enough, Tennessee. You showed your true colors today. Stick with that game plan for a while. I think the Blarkus-Gabriota is starting to become a problem for the Titans. Who would you rather not have as your QB, Jameis or Mariota? I don't know anymore. Because Mariota seems like more of a winner.

Jameis is more exciting. The numbers he puts up, what was he? I don't know what he had. He had crazy. Let me tell you something about Jameis. There's something Mariota, we've seen him do great things in the playoffs against the Chiefs, but that quarterback sneak, did you see that?

Like how they almost won the game, Tampa? No. He did like an option play. They had like no time left. And the quarterback sneak from like the 20-yard line. And then when he gets to the 10. Oh, I did. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. That should have worked.

Yeah. That play should have worked. Deshaun Jackson was right there. And it just got screwed up because then Evans like tipped it. And it went and it just, I really think he would have gotten in but that was a that was a nifty play that you can only really do once. It's the kind of play I've always wondered why they don't do

that more often because like you know like in rugby I remember we played intramural football in college and we were doing pretty well and then we played the rugby team's intramural football com and they just did that rugby shit the whole game it was like unstoppable and they just did that rugby shit the whole game.

It was like unstoppable. And it seems like that could work at the end of games or at the end of halves or something versus just like he but he'll marry. I'm with you, Sal. Now they can't do that. That's why that division's good. Atlanta's defense is so bad. And I love the over in that game.

And it went to 63, I think. It was over 57 and a half. but that was going to be exciting. That was going to be down to the last possession no matter what. So I like Atlanta. I like watching them. They're not making the playoffs, but fun to watch. I was watching the Chargers game today, and the announcer said, this is the seventh field goal kicker for Anthony Lynn

in his one plus year as Chargers head coach. He's coached 22 games. He's had seven field goal kickers. Poor Anthony Lynn. I think our friend Daniel, when he was executive producer of Rosie, fired seven directors.

So that's the equivalent. Yeah. Miami is home. Really starting to get a little momentum now with the heist Brock Osweiler they are playing the Lions of Detroit coming off a bye week

and I have Miami favored by 2.5 well we could skip this because there's no line yet I said 3 but yeah it's probably right in that range I don't know if you make it higher or lower with Tannehill in there but they have not put a line on the board.

If I was betting, I would bet the Lions this week, but I'm not betting this week. Oh, yeah, you're out, right? I'm out. I'm out for the week. Vikings-Jets. Vikings at the Jets. Sam Darnold will be playing. I don't know what to make of this Vikings team they've been all over the map

and they look surprisingly competent for short pockets and make you think like oh and then all of a sudden they look terrible again I have the Vikings I think I'm going to nail this this is a classic textbook road team favored by three and a half

I said three which is my textbook textbook road team favored by three and a half. I said three, which is my textbook, and it is actually three. So I get that one. I was watching the game, all the games in a bar, a Jets bar. Fans are going nuts today. They love that team.

I didn't have the heart to tell them that we crossed them off, I think, last preseason game this year. Do you think after what you've seen these first six weeks, do you think the Giants should have taken Sam Darnold? Yeah, I do. And I think it's less of a big deal. This would have been the talk of the town and all the New York talk radio would have been discussing this and nothing else if Barkley wasn't going crazy. And I think because a few people have Barkley given their fantasy team a spark,

that it's not as much of a discussion. But yes, Sam Donald was the pick for the Giants. Should have been. I'm doing something I do from time to time. I'm doing a 180 on myself. I thought the Giants made a mistake and they should have taken a quarterback. I think Saquon Barkley is hands down

the best running back I've ever seen in my life. Oh, wow. He has, he has, he's like Walter Payton crossed with Terrell Davis, crossed with LaDainian Thomason. I've never seen a running back who's more frightening play to play than he is. What he's doing this season

with a completely washed up quarterback, no offensive line, and he's still a threat to break one in every play is flat out incredible. I think if we were creating a running back in a lab, we would create this guy. And I think he's going to be one of like, I don't know, I've been watching football since I was six, five.

I think he's going to go down as one of like the six or seven best running backs of my lifetime. And it's hard for me to believe that was the wrong pick, is my point. I know you're supposed to take quarterback, whatever, but I really do think a lot of this has to do with the fact that they really misfired on Eli. They thought he had something left in the tank,

and he just doesn't. They have to get rid of him. Now, we could have told them that this summer. But even if they had, you know, who's a mediocre QB? Tyrod Taylor. Even if they had gone and gotten Tyrod Taylor, and Tyrod had just given them like a C-plus every week, and could at least move around and save some plays,

we would be talking about Barkley reverentially. I think he's amazing. I just don't think, yeah, it would be great to have Sandaro, but they could get a franchise QB next year. They're going to go 2-14. I think Barkley comes along I don't know once every 10 years who's the last guy who was like this Tomlinson was 15 years ago I agree and I think he shows he and sometimes he looks to me like if Bo Jackson could catch passes like he's such a

powerful receiver once he gets going it's it's weird look at, but they could win six games with him the next four years because you need a quarterback to drive. All right. What if they had Sam Darnold and carry on Johnson and Odell Beckham Jr.? That might be better. That might be a better fit right now for the next few years. If Sam Darnold becomes a model, how good does Sam Darnold have to be for this to be a bad pick? Because listen, everybody seems to think this was a train wreck that they did this. And I was one of the people initially, but I can't get enough of watching Barkley.

So now it's like... So Sam Darnold is... Let's say he's as good as Philip Rivers. Then that was a bad pick, right? Because I think it's harder to find Phillip Rivers than it is to find a generational running back. It could be. But to be clear,

Saquon Barkley is one of the best running backs. He's certainly the best running back since Tomlinson. He's the most exciting. He does the most. He has the most game break ability. He can pass and exciting. He does the most. He, he has the most game break ability. He can pass and catch. He's fucking unbelievable to watch.

He's so freaking exciting. And, uh, it has to go back to Tomlinson in like 2004, 2005 for me, the last guy I've seen like this. And then going back further to rel Davis, those three Denver years,

uh, Walter Payton. Um, all right, calm down, calm down. Earl Campbell for three years, but he couldn't catch the ball. It's week six. It's week six. My eyes don't lie, Sal. I know where my heart lies.

I like watching Saquon Barkley play football. I know where your heart lies. Where does your wallet lie? Because he was 6-1. When we had this discussion last week, he was 6-1 to win Offensive Rookie week he was six to one to win uh offensive rookie of the year that's got it that has to have gone down um with baker faltering a little bit and well i guess donald had a good game right i don't know what do you think he is would you take him at like three to one now i think he's i think he has to be

the at least even odds now he's gonna write he's gonna really the situation that he's, I think he has to be the, at least even odds now. He's going to run. He's going to. Oh, really? The situation that he's in, he's indefensible. He is the worst offensive line, probably in the league. And he is the worst starting quarterback in the league.

And, and he's still like that 55 yard touchdown he had the other day, where it was like, there was, he finally had a hole and he was just gone. Nobody touched him. And then he had that other, where it was like he finally had a hole and he was just gone nobody touched him and then he had that other that screen pass

when maybe that was the one that was 55 yards it wasn't a touchdown it was just a 55 yard play yeah the other one he took off and scored the touchdown

on the hole but I don't know man listen you can you can find a QB you can go pay for Kirk Cousins

and shit like that was having Walter Payton on your team worth it for 12 years I would argue yes find a QB. You can go pay for Kirk Cousins and shit like that. Was having Walter Payton on your team worth it for 12 years? I would argue yes. They finally did win a Super Bowl. Just in terms of rookie of the year and betting, because I like to gamble. I know you quit like an hour ago.

It was 40 minutes ago. If the Giants, Browns, and Jets each end up with six wins, which I can't imagine the Giants are going to have that many, but it's going to be interesting to see who gets the offensive rookie of the year. Yeah. Here's the thing.

If Darnold is as good as Phil Rivers, then it was the wrong pick. But I think if anything less than that, I think having eight to 12 years of a transcendent running back, I mean, right now, I think he's scarier and better than Le'Veon Bell ever was. If I was betting against either guy, I'd be way more scared of Barkley. Anyway, that's my rant. That's my pro Barkley rant.

I know I'm in the minority. Eagles. I'm just saying, slow down with the Walter Payton stuff. Go watch the Walter Payton highlights. It's like the same stuff. It's the same kind of incredible. They did that close-up. Except there's more than six games of it.

They did that close-up of Barkley's legs on Thursday night. Did you see that? And the announcer's like, oh my God, look at those things. I mean, his legs were like, how are we the same human being, same species? Is this your new man crush? Is this your new hustle and bustle Barkley? I think it is. I think it is.

Saquon, I'm in your corner, man. They made the right pick. The Giants fans don't appreciate you enough. Stop complaining about Sam Darnold. Let's see Sam Darnold win some games. They're just too stupid to see that it's the wrong pick. They need to get rid of their quarterback. They should just trade for Tyrod

Taylor right now and he can give them a C-plus for the rest of the season. Eagles are home playing the Panthers. Two teams I just have no feel for at all. The Panthers, how do you figure that team out week to week? I'm with you. I said the same thing.

I think we said this last week. Carolina at Washington. Doesn't matter which way we go with this. No way I was betting that one, ever. I feel the same way about this. I have the Eagles four and a half. I'm putting this one in the Vegas zone. Alright, I get this. I said four and it's three and a half.

Good luck to anyone trying to win this game. Yeah, that's a stay away i i not even ready to regard this eagles team one way or the other until mid-november let's see what they have when they get well that's the thing you beat up on the giants does that make you does that mean you're back i mean they they their running game was good they i think they sacked eli four times but um i don't know I don't know if it's enough. I picked up both Eagles running backs in fantasy after Ajayi went down and then started Smallwood, and Clement was the one who got the points.

So I think that's my destiny there, just putting the wrong guy in every week. I hate fantasy football. I really do. Tampa's home for Cleveland. I love it. Try being 0-6. That's the way to go. Do you think you can go 0-13?

You should try to do it Has that ever happened? Well, I mean I could obviously sit a lot of guys If I want But I don't know I don't know why I'm

I'm as bad as I am I have Ingram I have Elliott I have Matt Ryan I have Juju Smith-Schuster A lot of good players oh Gronkowski Gronk is supposed to be pretty good

I'm going to trade for him let's talk George Kittle and Gronkowski after we finish the pot I think what you should do is stop making free agent moves because it's $5 a move you might as well save money put that money toward fantasy magazines for next year

the Bucks are home for the Browns save money. That's true. Put that money toward fantasy magazines for next year. Okay. The Bucs are home for the Browns. I have the Bucs by two. Not quite sure what to make of this Browns team. And I think Baker

is going to be really good, but man, he makes some rookie QB plays. He is not a finished product I said three and a half it's three so you were closer

why am I so much more interested in this game than I am Carolina Philly which probably features two playoff teams yeah this arguably should have been in the watchables if I had to do this over again I would put it in the watchables I do not feel the same about this next game Redskins Cowboys

Cowboys. Cowboys feeling good, man. They made the right call. They gave Jason Garrett a little more time to figure it out. He has a few more claps in him. I have the Skins by three and a half over Dallas. That's exactly what I said. Only two and a half, though.

Vegas really believes in these boys. I think Alex Smith is the closest to a major league baseball pitcher where like those starters that you have on your team where you go oh he's got it going tonight oh we're in good shape tonight this is gonna be he's gonna throw like a three hitter over seven innings

and Alex Smith is the same thing like you get the red zone highlights right of Alex Smith yeah I think he had Like, you get the red zone highlights. Right. Of Alex Smith. Yeah, I think he had like 160 yards. Yeah. 163 yards, two touchdowns. And then, it's a surprise every week.

Like, Adrian Peterson had almost 100 yards. And then, like, he'll disappear. And it's just weird. None of these NFC East teams have any identity that you could count on at this point. Now, there's one team that has an identity. My man, Saquon Barkley and the Giants. Saquon, baby. That's true. Love that guy.

The right pick. Keep your head up, Saquon. You're delayed to watch. You should trade for him. Trade one of your five quarterbacks. I need him on my fantasy team. You're right. I should try to trade for him. Let's go to the poopfecta. Actually, let's take a quick break before we do that.

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to watch any of this. I would be in this game for the red zone too. Just, there should be no signs of it at all. I have the Colts by five and a half. That's exactly what I said. Vegas has it at six and a half.

You have to talk me out of taking the Colts on a teaser here because I do like them. I don't know if it's going to be Peterman or one of the Joshes, but I like the Colts here. If the Bills had won in Houston today, which was very possible until Nathan Peterman did up, that would have been three times they took down a team with a high line, right? Wouldn't that have been the third time?

Like as significant underdogs. Right. They might be the sign of the beast. Yeah, Peterman just doesn't have it right and then to go on the road again I feel bad for him everybody shits on him just out of control shitting on him on social media

well they could do better I mean talk about a team that could use Ty Taylor a team that traded they need that solid C plus somehow they're settling for an F plus. Jags. Speaking of F plus,

the Jags are home against the Texans. Another game I don't want to watch. This is a poop facta, huh? Yeah, it's a poop facta. First place? One of these teams is probably getting first place. The Jags are unwatchable. They also talk a lot of shit.

Oh, yeah. Maybe don't lose to the Clapper by 30 points you're yapping in the end zone to Cole Beasley settle down Jalen Ramsey I think there was some hidden angst with the Cowboys if this even is such a thing I was hearing some things

did they make the right pick passing on Jalen Ramsey and going with Ezekiel Elliott? Yeah. And it's un-clapper-like, but they did kind of step up and show that at least for three hours today that they did make the right pick. So I have Jags by five. Hmm.

Over the Texans. That's closer than I did. I said three and a half. It's four and a half. Are you beating me this week? I'm beating you like a drum. It's the only win I'm going to have to beat. You got me beat by one right now.

How many games left? I'm going to go up by two right now. I got the Rams in San Francisco against probably not a good quarterback. And I have the Rams by nine and a half. This is the one I was off by the most.

I don't know why I said only seven and a half. I don't know why I thought San Francisco was comparable to Denver, which was also a line of seven. You said nine and a half. It's 11. Oof. 11. Who are we three teaming them with?

All right. There's some good college games we could put this in. Rams. Maybe take the Pats to plus 7.5. Now we're talking. Yeah, might wait on that. Chargers to plus 4.5 in London? I like the Chargers.

Sunday night. We'll figure it out. Chiefs playing on two consecutive Sunday nights. This time they are home, playing the Bengals of Cincinnati. And this actually probably is the best game. Well, by the way, the Rams Niners was initially in this spot and got flexed the F out.

And the Niners have been flexed. They're going to be flexed out of like three games, I think, now that Jimmy G is out. And yeah, and Cincinnati, which was a late afternoon game, I think, is now the night game, Cincinnati-KC. I got the Chiefs by four and a half over the Bengals. Probably too low. I got this one exactly.

I said six. I would be careful of this one, America. Because the Bengals can score. And even if they're down 10 with two minutes left, this has garbage time TD potential. I think they could win the game too. The Bengals? Yeah.

I like them. I like them. I like them every week. We'll see it. We'll see the injuries on the defensive side. We'll see how that goes. Then Monday night. That's. My new man crush.

Saquon. This is it. He's going Atlanta. This is another team that could win. Couldn't you see them winning this game? Yeah. I could see him rushing for 300 yards. That'll be all their yards.

You got Beckham headbutting fans. Well, Barkley's tearing it up. I have the Falcons by seven and a half. Too high. All right, I'm going to ask you to think about this because I got it exactly. Yeah. Which means I tie you unless you also get it exactly.

I'm going to give you an opportunity to change. I'm going to give you an opportunity to change. Falcons by seven and a half. Yeah, too high. Five and a half. Hmm. So we tied. I'll take a tie.

You've disliked Eli for the last 15 years of your life? More than that. I couldn't stand him in middle school before that. Does it give you pleasure to see him looking about as washed up as anyone since his brother during that final Denver season? Yeah, but I go back and forth because then I feel bad for him. I see that Eli face and I don't take as much pleasure anymore.

Yeah, but watch him have great numbers this week. How could he not? I don't think that's possible. Really? Yeah, I think he's really done. Because they... People are saying how when he's pressured he's bad

with the implication being that when he's not pressured he's fine but then there's all these stats that actually either way he's bad I don't know Jameis looked like Joe Montana today that Falcons they have so much trouble I guess if they do pressure him of course that's the way to do it and if this offensive line is as

bad as it's been then that's what's going to happen. But just to feel like Beckham's going to break out at some point. He's a handful. Not sure I'd want him in the office. If there was a ringer equivalent of Odell Beckham Jr., I don't think he'd be working here anymore. If I gave you over under eight and a half games, regular season games since Julio Jones

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Everything. Yeah. Baseball playoffs. I got the Brewers to advance. Why? This is a personal question. So you have the Brewers. You bet on the Brewers. Yeah, I bet on the Brewers. Add in plus 260 to win the pennant before the playoffs. The guy in game one

the pitcher came in and hit like a 430 foot homer did you see that? yeah what was that guy's name? Breckman? no no I can't remember who was it?

the guy that throws 98 at the 430-foot homer. It was Brandon Woodruff, right? Woodruff, yeah, yeah. Off of Kershaw? Breckman Woodruff. But yeah, so they win game one with a bullpen game where they're just using relievers. And then game two, Wade Miley throws like five one-hit innings,

and then finally they got to him a little bit. But I watched a lot of both games, and it was like the over-managing Olympics. It was great. Like Dave Roberts took some dude out in the fourth inning. He took out John Freeze for Max Muncy, fourth inning. Just switched him. It was like watching like T-Ball. for Max Muncy. Fourth inning. Just switched them.

It was like watching T-Ball. Like, hey, Bobby, you're going to sit out this inning. Jack's going to go in. But it was the playoffs. I didn't understand it. Listen, the National League managers, they're smart. They think about the game. They're not looking to watch from the clubhouse like Alex Cora.

He just wants to go out there and fight with the umpires. It's a different brand of ball. That's all. It's adorable. I'm really happy for you, the scrappy underdog brand of baseball that you play. Let's do parent corner. Go ahead. All right. Well, this comes secondhand from my wife because I'm out of town.

But my son, my oldest son, had a flag football game. And so my wife had to bring everybody. And my father goes to these games. And it's for the middle school. So they travel and they play the rival. I think they played Redondo. They played the rival school this week. And it's a good game.

It's getting late. But someone on the other team, one of the team moms wheels up she has a wheelchair and she has um like nubs for legs and nubs unfortunately for arms too and my four-year-old who's four but he's also an asshole um says to her you have no arms and my wife goes crazy she's like you don't say that you don't say that to somebody and the woman's like oh it's okay it's okay it's like and then like he pauses for like 20 seconds and like looks over and he's like you have no legs either and uh so then my wife has to reprimand him and now it's really uncomfortable and so she has an assistance dog as you can imagine like pulling the wheelchair

um and she's got like attached to her nub she has like a uh a prosthetic one prosthetic half arm that could reach out and like handle the leash for the dog and so my wife is like says to my to my younger kids not not playing in the game says go over there and play with the dog to be nice show you know show some concern and be nice to this woman so they go over there and play with the dog to be nice show you know show some concern and be nice to this woman so they go over there and it's not long after they're instructed to go over there that they they they drive the dog crazy to a point where the dog like loses it and pulls away from this woman and in doing so pulls the nub out of her arm socket where she's holding the where she's holding the leash.

And now this thing's on the ground. And my father, who also has a cane, sees this, and he scrambles to his credit and goes to push the arm back in. Using his cane goes to push the arm back into this woman's socket, but he's jamming it like he like he's like he's banging a tv in 1975 to try to get reception jamming it in with the help of the cane and now this woman's daughter comes like no it's okay it's all right it's all right so um i think the moral of the story is just don't bring your parents or your kids anywhere right i don't know how to sum this

up but it's uh it really just seemed like a Seinfeld episode mixed with Three's Company. Mixed with Curb Your Enthusiasm. Wow. Be nice to the handicapped people and just don't keep the kids in the house with the iPads.

That was some story. Unbelievable. Ridiculous. I had to ask for the details like three times. I was like, come on. Unbelievable. Ridiculous. How did you guess that? I had asked for the details like three times. I was like, come on, that can't be true. Are there character of the year points handed out for that or no? Does your son have a character of the year? My son and the dog split points, I think. Jesus.

Have no legs or arms either. A jerk. Unbelievable. I think four-year-olds are really the worst human beings on earth, just across the board. Because they're smart enough to know what they shouldn't say, but they'll absolutely say it, and they don't care. I know.

I'm not even kidding. I should keep them in the whole year, because by five or five and a half, you can kind of learn what's right and wrong. My parent corner is I took my son to his first real concert on Friday night. Nephew Kyle was there as well. We went to see a show with Migos and Drake, two of his three favorite musical artists. And there was a lot of marijuana in the arena. Like a lot of marijuana in the arena, like a lot.

A lot. Like a lot of marijuana smoke. Enough that I was wondering whether it was the right idea, but my son took so much joy and excitement out of this. I actually Instagrammed him singing Fight Night with Nephew Kyle because he was delighted. The chorus of that song is, gonna knock that pussy out like Fight Night.

So I have that on Instagram. So that was great. He got to see just lots of people who probably weren't wearing enough clothes. Yeah. Just an incredible amount of people who probably weren't wearing enough clothes. Yeah. Just an incredible amount of people out there that maybe don't go to the gym all the time, but will still wear outfits like they do. I'll leave it at that.

Right. So it was an eye-opening experience left and right for him. But the big thing was we were able to go backstage to see Quavo, who is the kind of star of Migos, although I think they're all stars, but I think he just had an album come out this week. And my son's a huge fan of Quavo, and he's actually an interesting guy because he was,

I'm trying to get him on a podcast at some point, because he was like this phenomenal athlete and chose music over sports. Yeah, he was like this phenomenal athlete and chose music over sports. Yeah, he was like this three-sport athlete in Georgia and probably could have played either college or basketball in college. Could have played quarterback for the Giants? Probably right now. So when my son met him, he'd been working on,

he didn't want to screw up the handshake, so he and nephew Kyle had been working on the handshake. didn't want to screw up the handshake so he and nephew kyle had been working on the handshake and kyle you want to explain the handshake it was just it's the daps it's the it's the it's like skins it's like almost like gimme skins there's just a little bit of flavor hard slap though the noise is part of it so he was really concerned about that he had his he's wearing air jordans so meets quavo does the slap we thought he executed it really nicely yeah it made a good sound and then they're talking

Quavo's looking at him and he checks out Ben's wearing this Air Jordan outfit kind of a retro old school my son for some reason has really kind of I don't know he's got like a fashion style to him I think it was the Jordan 13s or 14s that he was wearing that did it to him

so Quavo's, he's kind of making small talk, but then he kind of takes a step back and he looks, what did he say, Kyle? He's like, damn, you're dripping

or something like that. Yeah, he's like, damn, look at those shoes, you're dripping. So that was really exciting. Quavo told my son that he was dripping. And I don't know,

I was, you know, I'm not the coolest guy on the earth, but Quavo told my son I was dripping I really felt it was a cool moment for me I think his second favorite part

was every time they told him to put his middle finger up right he was like the first kid with his middle finger up Migos kept asking the crowd

to put their middle fingers up which you're not going to believe this but my son was happy to oblige on that he already had it up yeah

he was up and ready to roll. And then on the way home, I was like, man, that was a lot of pot smoke. You feeling all right? You feeling all right, Ben? What did he say? I think I'm high. I think I got a little high. He goes, I think I got a little high.

So that was it. That's my parent quarter. I think you're getting Cody points. Forget about my four-year-old. I think my son got secondhand so that was it that's my parent quarter i think you're getting cody points forget about forget about my four-year-old i think my son got secondhand high at uh my fifth grade son might have gotten second grade high but you know what i'd do it again it was great let me ask you this as far as a cool factor thing goes you take them to a lot of cool places i will say yeah if taking him to was it a pre-seat no it wasn. You took him to a Red Sox game in Tampa, right? Yes.

That was not long ago. What is that one to 10? What is this one to 10 in terms of how cool he thinks you are for taking him, getting the royal treatment at a game or backstage? No, he takes me for granted all the time. No, just this year. Really? He got to be a ball boy at the All-Star game,

and he got to meet Ben Simmons and Jason Tatum. He got to meet Quavo. He's gone with WrestleMania with you in the past, and he's met a lot of those dudes. But did that wrestling entrance like a month ago, right? The wrestling entrance at NXT, it's really, somehow he always wins. And if he could even execute basic math,

it would be a bonus. Even just the easiest long division problem possible, if he could just bang that out once, it would be a bonus. But that's good. He's at least had some good experiences. I'm with you. Yeah.

It's like, hey, do you want to work on your stuff hold on I'm playing Fortnite squads yeah what can you do well at least he doesn't take pleasure in poking fun at the disabled so you got that at least you've passed that and he is dripping

I don't what is i'd never heard that expression for a cow i'm a 49 year old you're like you're you're dripping swag basically it's just dripping off just dripping off you yeah it felt like a compliment it was yeah i was like that's definitely a compliment my son's dripping uh sure your nose wasn't running around it you're actually maybe maybe he had nasal drip sal you're you're dripping in Brooklyn all week. Tell us about that. Dripping in Brooklyn. We have on Jimmy Kimmel Live, Adam Sandler this week, M&M,

Cardi B, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, John Krasinski, and a few surprises. It's going to be fun, and I'm on Lock It In. Damn it, I lost the Patriots money line. Todd Furman beat me. I'm on with him. Rachel Bonetta. Jason Whitlock filling in for Clay Travis this week. 4.30 to 5.30 Eastern.

Excellent. Well, good luck. I hope you get the title back. I hope you stay dripping on the streets of Brooklyn. Say hi to Gabe Kaplan. Say hi to Vinnie Barbarito and Horshack and Washington and the whole gang. Dan Hattiello.

I'll send them all your love. Say hi to the Jimmy Kimmel Live staff. Try to hear as many dumb stories as possible with Dixon and the crew. And wake up in three and a half hours and say hi to Howard Stern for me. I will. Thanks for coming on.

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