The Bill Simmons Podcast - Browns Fever, Lamar’s Revenge, the Sleeper Rams, and Round 2 Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: January 11, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss all six wild-card games (2:00) before guessing the lines for Round 2 of the NFL playoffs (59:00). They close the show with Parent Corner (1:11:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Here's my big takeaway, Sal. I can't go back. Next week we only have four. And I used to be like my two favorite sports weekends of the year were probably those first two weekends. And now I feel like it's a step down after three a day for two days. This was the best weekend of the year. Every year, this will be the best weekend of the year. I love it.

I love it. And now you're going to tell me it's because LaMelo got a triple-double and he was the youngest, right? Or something stupid like that. That was great. There was good NBA though. All right. I forget. I shouldn't have even engaged, but six games,

it took us all. Yeah. Like next week, the game start at like one 30 West coast time. Right. Or something. Right. Yeah. One. And that's not good enough. We got to wake up, get right into it. It was by the way, the games weren't even that good. The first game was, was really good Buffalo Indy. And then after that, it was, you know, every game had some sort of fatal flaw where I want to go through all the games and go backwards. We'll start with the one that happened tonight, Brown Steelers, which was, we're texting each other the whole day. It gets to saints bears and we're like, all right, either this one or the next one is going to be the totally

fucked up game because this has been too easy throughout the week. Even the Rams, which was like a mild upset. There are three and a half putting underdogs to the Seahawks. But if you watch the game, it wasn't surprising. And people thought the Rams had a real chance. We head into Trubisky against the Saints or the Browns with no coaching staff, haven't practiced Baker. Maybe it's like one of these two is going to be wonky. And it turned out it was Brown Steelers, son of a bitch.

And it could have been the one before, but the Brown Steelers was, that's a game that you have. Uh, if you're the Steelers, like every six years and you hope that it doesn't occur in the playoffs, right? Like I wasn't even looking up when the fumble went in the end zone and they picked it up in seven, nothing. I'm like, Oh, all right. And then like bad play after bet long play for the Browns. Another touchdown Ben's throwing interceptions to 400 pound guys who are somehow cradling the ball. It's not even close to hitting. How many did we see that were so close? Oh, the tip of the ball hit the ground. Nope. These guys are making perfect catches and they were out of it before even they looked at it. Like you, you set the line.

You're like, Browns are minus five. It was 14, nothing. And the Browns live line was minus five. I'm like, holy crap. They're not expected to win this game. The Steelers now. Well, go back to the snap. It goes flying over Ben's head.

It's, it's the worst snap of the year. Nobody's had a worse shotgun snap all year. Ben and Connor go back to get it. Roethlisberger not only doesn't dive on the ground, he's looking at it like he's in an Iraq war film and it's, it's some bomb and he's kind of circling it. Like if he touches it, he's going to blow up. And then Connor kind of does this half ass fall on it. It's on like the one yard line. First of all, the move is just run and go kick it out of the end zone. Take the safety. Like even if you fall

on it, you're on the one yard line. But it was just so stupid that the Browns scored on that. I got the sense that they were spotting them seven. Like, okay, we'll spot you seven. Just really just the way just you describe it, that they're hovering over the ball and they just like didn't really care to recover. No urgency at all. And then the next

play, he just lofts a pass five feet over open receiver's head right to a Brown and the Brown score again. And then Collinsworth is like, ah, is this Brown's defense? I'm like, what would they do? They, they fell in a step that went overhead and then he threw a pick. I didn't think the Brown's defense was particularly good. They're gas, but then it leads to we're waiting because of the Browns DNA as a, as a Red Sox fan pre 2004,

you just, you're always going to assume the worst. And the more points they score, we're like, all right, the Steelers are definitely gonna have a run. They're definitely going to go back. It finally happens.

It's 35, 23. The Browns defense has been on the field for an hour. It's fourth and one. There's a stoppage because it's the end of the quarter. Yeah. Right. And it's like, oh, I can't.

I'd be really interested to see what their fourth and one play is going to be. Obviously, they're going to go for it, even though they're on their own 45, even if they don't get it. You know, the Browns will have a short field and you'll get the ball back faster anyway. No, no, they punt.

And to make it worse, they take a delay a game and then the guy punts it into the end zone. Of course, he punts it into the a game, and then the guy punts it into the end zone. Of course he punts it into the end zone. Of course he punts it into the end zone. A dumber, okay, like, you have to go for it there. You have so much momentum. Whether you believe in momentum or not, you have it.

I do. And like you said, you look across the line of scrimmage, and there's just, like, cold smoke blowing out of these guys' mouths. They're dead. They're on the heels of probably the right move would have been to call timeout right before the quarter so that they don't get that four minute break or whatever it is between quarters. Right. And then gouge him.

And then how I mean, I don't know. They couldn't stop them and they didn't stop the next game, but it didn't matter. They had been on the field for an hour. So they had every every play. Somebody was wide open. And so anyway, Tomlin, they're down 19. He goes for two. I have no idea why to cut it to 17. Great. You're still, you still need three scores. Then they go down 13. He kicks the extra point and Collinsworth

and Michaels who admittedly cannot figure out the math of any of this stuff. And they're like, ah, I guess, but it was like watching somebody at a blackjack table who splits sixes against a jack one hand. Then the next hand is like, nope, stay at 12. And you're like, what? You just split the last hand.

What are you doing? Right. And somehow they squander all these points. And instead of being down 10, they're down 13. And it was just, I thought the stupidest

coach game of the week was going to be Seattle, but I thought Tomlin was worse. I don't know. They didn't look prepared anything. I guess. And what's weird about it though, is before then you almost couldn't blame him. I guess. Yes. They didn't look prepared and all that stuff, but you couldn't blame him too much for it. You could blame, put all the blame on Ben and whatever else. And Tomlin could have gotten away with not being like, Hey, it had nothing to do with me, but Jesus Christ. I mean, I, you know, I had money line Steelers everywhere and it's because forget that

Stefanski is out. Forget that the guard is out, but he's out. Like these should mean this should be huge. But last week they needed to win and they beat him by two points against Mason Rudolph. And they didn't practice And they didn't practice. And they didn't practice. The Steelers could have knocked them out of the playoffs last week. Like, does that change anymore?

Like that? You just, just try your hardest every time. Knock the team out of the playoffs. The Bills did it to the Dolphins. Steelers could have knocked the Browns out and now they're out. They could have taken that five minutes and run an internet poll of all the Browns fans and asked, what, what do you want us to do here? And the Browns fans, it would have responded a hundred percent. Please punt.

Please don't go for here on fourth to one, because if you get it, now you're on our side of the field and you can score. And now it's a touchdown game. And now we have no Stefanski. We have Baker who hasn't thrown his pick yet. And never did. Baker was good the whole game. Sal, I have this as the greatest 21st century Browns moment. Replacing.

What do you think? I don't know. When they got to open the refrigerator or some shit. I don't know. What could it have been? Costner. I want all my picks back. And I want David goddamn Putney. Just because I feel like it.

Come on. Say it with me, you pancake All right. Just because I feel like it. Come on, say it with me. You pick at you, the motherfucker. That was their last great moment. That was pretty good. I don't know if that's toppable, but yeah,

that's a, that was it. Shit. It's, it's unbelievable that they're in. Now they go on to play the chiefs. It's the bills are the big loser because the bills would have had this shitty Steelers team next week.

Oh my God. Now they play the red hot Ravens, but the bills had to be so mad. It reminded me. And the second half of game seven against the Yankees and O in the O four ALCS, when we're up like eight, nothing.

And we should be like, Oh, we got this, but it's all that DNA is still sitting there. Sure. Yeah. And then they scored a couple of runs and then Pedro came in and they started chanting.

Who's your daddy. Yeah. And then it, it, you sphincter just tightens and you're like, oh my god, this would be the worst loss. I'll never follow sports again. The Browns fans had to be feeling that at some point

in that second half. We're like, wow, if we lose this, I'm out. I'm not following football anymore. I'm done. I think they probably all went and took a Lamar Jackson dump at the end of the third quarter, right? When the Steelers should have gone on fourth and two and it was a Collinsworth and Michaels. It's like, all right, there's a lot they can do now. And then

the up backs moving around. You're like, they're like, oh, you see something's going on. Like, nope, they're punting. That's it. Get rid of it through the end zone. If you can. They, the reason I brought up Tomlin, I mean, he was awful. The decisions in the second half were awful, but they, they looked like the team that had in practice. Yeah, you're right.

You start with a shotgun snap over the guy's head and everybody stares at it. Like it's a bomb and you just go from there and the Browns who didn't practice at all. And they're super sharp. I didn't know Baker had that game in them, but quickly on Roethlisberger. So he starts his career 10 and two in the playoffs. Yeah. Loses the Superbowl to Rogers. Oh, from that point on his last 10 playoff game,

starting with that one, three and seven in the playoffs, including losses to Blake Bortles, Joe Flacco, Tim Tebow, and Baker Mayfield finishes his career with 34, his playoffs career, 34 touchdowns,

28 picks. I know you hate doing this. You don't have to do 20 games, 28 picks. I know you hate doing this. You don't have to do this. In 20 games. 28 picks. Wow. That's a lot. And you look at their two Super Bowls that they won. One of them, he did nothing in the actual Super Bowl. And the other one, his stats

weren't great either. And they basically got it by the skin of their pants. James Harrison runs it back with a touchdown. A holding call in the Seattle game. I get it. I get it. He's making the Hall of Fame. He's making the Hall of Fame.

Yeah. It's just a really weird career, I guess is my point. It is. I think the last two-thirds of it, he's basically Matthew Stafford with a better coach and a better team, but not a lot of playoff success. And a lot of playoff losses, seven playoff losses, probably six of them.

They were favored. Yeah. And then some of them favored by five, by seven, by nine, stuff like that. And it's just tough on, they showed them on the bench at the end, just kind of sitting there during the headlights. And it was like, I was wondering, like, could this be it? Like, could he retire? Well, I wonder if this was their worst playoff loss. I'll have to look.

I meant till we didn't have much time between the final and the podcast. But they were only like a five and a half point favorite. But it feels like the worst playoff loss they've suffered in a long time. Your Patriots beat up on them all the time. But that was a close spread or they were supposed to or whatever. But this is pretty bad. I mean, you could, you know, the damage checks of the world like this isn't even a rivalry. The Browns can't say this is a rivalry. They never beat us. And then it's a feud laugh

at miles Garrett and everything he did like, Oh man, now they're, they're just as many wins now as the Steelers. So they showed the sideline and they're like, there's the guy who's coached in the Browns offensive line tonight. He looked like he was 20. He was rocking back and forth. Like our friend, Brad Mulcahy after 17 Diet Cokes. And it was like, he's a promoted assistant. I mean, a promoted intern, basically, who's going to be coaching the offensive line. How are you losing to this team?

And it's like, the special teams coach is the head coach? We got him. He's back from storming the Capitol. We put a Steelers cap on him and here he is. Slim pickings right now. Hey, what was the guy's name, the Browns coach? Oh, yeah.

Freider? Freider? Freifer? Freifer. Yeah. Somehow, I coached by comma. Yeah. So we should have known.

We should have known there would be a fucked up game. It was every year. I'm sorry. I made you think it was the Saints. I thought I'm like I like the Bears here and I don't know what order you want to go over these games but we're going to go backwards I had the Browns at million dollar

picks oh nice and then did the Steelers just to win the money line and a tease with the Bears that the Bears covered on the last play of the game with a Jimmy Graham one handed touchdown who then just ran out of the stadium, never to be seen again.

And then they didn't kick the extra point and the line was 11 and the Bears lose by 12. But you looked this up. So what did you find out? They changed it in 2018 and I had it and now it's gone. But no, I guess what happened, Case Keenum, this happened and Case Keenum went off,

went off the field and they came back and then like took a knee for the two-point conversion anyway the books lost a lot of money they're very uh they're very upset that they uh they didn't get to but that that's the rule in 2018 in fact romo didn't even know uh that they changed it and they did and that was it article two section eight if a touchdown is made on the last play of a period, the try attempt shall be made except during a sudden death period or if a touchdown score during down, which time in the fourth quarter expires

in a successful try would not affect the outcome of the game. So if it doesn't affect the outcome, they just walk off the field. Well, that was the most exciting moment of the game. The second most exciting moment was the Bears who did not complete a, a,

did not get a first down on third down the entire game until the two minute mark when they were down 18. Yeah. Who could not move the ball at all, but they had one special trick play with Trubisky and it worked. And then the fucking guy dropped it. And I feel like if he caught that, the saints,

the whole game kind of unfolds differently. And I think the Saints would have had to sweat it out. It was weird. You knew the game was over when that happened because it's like, they're not going to get to 20 points with Trubisky. They just gave away seven. This is done. Yeah.

And so it's this guy Wims, right? And he had caught a 28-yard pass, like tiptoed at the sideline and caught it like a couple plays before. By the way, I think the announcers, just in general, they're all like, I don't know if he got in. I don't know if he kept his feet in. Just assume everybody got their feet in. They're great at it now.

Everybody's great at it. Just you won't look bad over the course of a year. Just like, ah, he got his feet in, and then they'll show it. So then they throw this crazy trick play, Trubisky unloads and throws the touchdown. The defender's hanging on the guy's jersey. The ref sees it, doesn't even call it because it's such an easy catch. It's like, all right, we'll just let it go.

Goes right through his arms. It's not even just like a long pass that was dropped. It was on a trick play. That's kind of like when Daniel's son does the crane kick. Crane kick. Crane kick, and it doesn't work. And it's like, oh boy, what do I do now? Now?

So that really did take all the wind out of their sails. And then, uh, they were missing their rookie receiver Mooney. Yeah. And then Anthony Miller gets kicked out. Right. Which, which was a bogus one. That was, I started to feel like the fix might've been in with this game when that, when that happened.

So now they're down to one receiver. They have Trubisky who, if whatever happens in the play doesn't happen in the first two seconds, he's completely useless. And it was just like, all right, this sucks. Cause it felt like the saints were kind of ready to, to be tested. They, they were not putting that game away. It was 7-3 forever. They looked like crap. And now they're playing the Bucs next week. And we'll talk about that later. They're up 10-3. They get them to jump off sides right on fourth and four.

Taysom Hill's in the shotgun. They're just really trying to get you to jump off sides. There's no way. That's snapping it. Then they're up 7-3. And it was Eddie Jackson, who's good oh i know yeah what are you doing eddie jackson then there's the other one they had like an eight play stand goal line stand and like there was too many defensive penalties the jump pass that was the

penalty which was like yeah you're right the fix did look like it was in but um i just needed them to get to 13 points so they could cover can Can you believe they didn't score 13 points? I felt like they had that in the second quarter. So the most interesting thing about Saints Bears was the Nickelodeon broadcast. Oh, right, right, right. Which I watched, I don't know, 15 minutes of. It was great. I thought it was unbelievable how smart it was.

If they had had this in place when my son was like six, he absolutely would have watched the entire game on that. They did a great job. Yeah. Yeah. It made me think like, Hey, we've been saying this for 15 years, like alternative broadcasts, you know, geared toward different audiences. What are they waiting for? Different announcers. What do they care? Like just the commercials you're spreading out the audience over five channels. You're still getting the same audience anyway. Yeah. Um,

but then I was thinking what other, what other channels would that have worked for other than Nickelodeon? The only other one I could think of was Bravo. What do you mean? Just, uh, like a football game on Bravo and just have like a real housewives, like just the kind of bitchy vibe of people just complaining about the

coach's hair and all that stuff. But what other channels would it work for? I don't know. Animal Planet. No, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what they could have done. Comedy Central, you have Jeff Ross just roasting the game. That I would watch.

Yeah, I would watch that too. No, it was good. Although the only thing is, I was like, I want to hear Romo. I get it. The first down marker moves and it's orange and stuff and everyone gets slimed when they score. And by the, there was like one touchdown in three quarters, but yeah, no, I think it was good for the, the, the, the explanations were good.

Someone caught a ball going out of bounds and the ball went free after he rolled. And they're like, okay, here's what happens here. I was like, yeah, good luck explaining this. Nobody knows. It doesn't matter what channel you put this on. Nobody's going to be able to figure this out. They should have the Pittsburgh game. All right. So Mike Tomlin could have gone for just one there, but he went for two because his chart's broken. Anyway, I enjoyed the Nickelodeon broadcast. I'm all for weird shit like that. Yeah. We have a thousand channels. Just try more weird

shit. Ravens Titans was the early game and that had the most cowardly punt of the day. Somehow, somehow the Tomlin punt was should have been the most cowardly punt of the day that Tennessee punts with 10 minutes left on Baltimore's 40 and

you me Henshin house. We sent 130 texts and probably a minute. We were horrified and appalled. Couldn't figure it out. They deserve to lose the game after that. And then what did you find? The surrender index? The surrender index said that this was the worst.

Since 1994, there was never a worse situation to punt in the fourth quarter in a playoff game on that side of the field. It was real. in the fourth quarter in a playoff game on that side of the field. Like they're just, it was, it was real. It was, I put it in the 99.94 percentile of being the most cowardly punt. I don't know. Maybe Tomlins is where I just looking at,

at least the Ravens had a good defense. I thought the Browns were shot, but anyway, yeah, that, that was awful. Took them out of it. But the rate,

I have to say, which units were you most impressed with? Least impressed with most impressed with for me is the Ravens defense today in today's game. Yeah. Least impressed with was the bills defense. We'll get to that. But yeah, the, the, the Titans didn't really, AJ Brown pushed off in the end zone. They had two field goals and otherwise the Ravens held Derek Henry to 40 something yards. Right. What did he have? 18 for 40.

And they, they lucked out because Lamar got off to a terrible start. Terrible. He screwed up the, the option pitch, blew the first drive, second drive through a pick. And then third drive had Andrews peeling off wide open on third down.

Just didn't throw it. Took a sack. And it just was like, Oh, here we go with Lamar. Well, Lamar finished with 179 passing, 16 carries for 136 yards, and

two legitimate whoa plays, which I think he needs at least two a game for them to win. So I guess my question for you, do you believe in Lamar yet? I think I do. If you look back at our text chain it didn't look like we did but um i do believe in him i don't know why it takes so long to adjust

i like teams that adjust they're coming from a jason garrett team i like when they come out in the third quarter baltimore they saw tennessee was stacking the box and they did that thing where they dump it off to the full but like a 300 pound fullback who goes for nine yards. It's like, all right, I'm going to teach you. And that opened things up. I believe him.

I think he, it's so funny. Some of these quarterbacks, I don't think run enough. I think he runs too much a little bit. He gets stuck up the middle there and gets too cute. But yeah, I think,

I think they're in good shape. The monkey off their back. Do you, I agreed with the announcer who pointed out how it's better when he's running north, south than going side to side because it's just so he can read so fast when he's just running downhill and he can make one guy miss. And then all of a sudden he's gone.

That's what happened with the 48 yard. Yeah. Just had to beat the safety. It was phenomenal. I think I believe in him more than I believe in his receivers. It did not seem like they were very open. Right. And that Andrews, who I think because he looks like he should be like a Kelsey type tight end,

but that guy, it seems like every game at least two balls go bouncing off his hands or he doesn't get them. I'm not sure he's that good is my point. Really? I don't know who. I think he's fine, but I don't think he's like a, you know, I don't even think he's a level below Gronk and Kelsey. I think he's like three levels below. I don't really know who they're, you know,

and maybe we'll find out next week, third and 10. We need this first down. Just say it, it's Dez. It's fine. That's the thing. I don't think they have it. So that would be my big fear for next round. The Titans play good defense.

For having the worst defense in the league, secondary, they really kind of stepped up. They had only like 14 sacks all year. They were in this grill a lot. And it took a while to adjust. You're not going to see the 20-yard crossing pass from Lamar against the Titans. And that's what was frustrating, right, to us and everyone else who bet him.

Well, the thing that I didn't understand is, I mean, they're praising Lamar down the stretch. And they ended up with 20 points against the Titans, who were the 29th defense in the league. So it's like, should we be that excited about this? This defense was hot garbage. Watson put up, what, 75 points in two games against them, something like that. Yeah. I, to me, the Ravens are a wait and see, but that the, the thing I was more surprised by is that Tennessee's offense could have moved the ball. Yeah. Henry was 18 for 40. The Tannehill pick that end of the game, even though that wasn't totally on him, but I didn't think he was going to come through down seven.

Did you? No. And it looked bleak, right? Because A.J. Brown scores that touchdown off Humphrey. And they're like, this is going to be a matchup. This is going to be a problem. The Ravens are going to need to figure this out. Like, all right, well, that's there for them the whole game.

And it really wasn't. He wasn't hitting his tight ends at all like he does. That play action wasn't working. And that was rough. What did Tannehill end up? 18 for 26? He didn't have like one left? No, that's not right.

Oh, one touchdown, one two. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Not that good. All right. Taking a break. Come back talking about Saturday's games.

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Tampa was not going to cover eight and a half or that it probably got to nine and a half by game time. That they just weren't going to cover, even though they were three times better than Washington. And it was like, Oh, there's another Chris Godwin drop. Oh, there's another third and one that the false start. Oh, there's another steeple. Oh, here's Washington on the other side, third and 13. Oh, Heineke's going to convert that. Of course he is. Oh, here's a guy in the end zone. Heineke is going to loft a perfect pass right into the corner of the end

zone over the defensive backs outstretch. And the guy's going to catch it and get both feet in. This is a terrible Washington team. They ended up covering, they get the extra point miss from suck up. But in general, like, I don't know what to make of that bucks game.

Like you loved it. You love the Heine. You're like, we'll give him a Patriots Jersey, right? You and house were fighting over him. We can get to that in a second. I,

but like just coming out of it, like I, I feel worse about the bucks, not better. I don't know how you feel. Well, I mean, the bucks could have treated Washington like the Steelers treated Cleveland,

right? Like it was a game that was supposed to win. It was supposed to roll over and they didn't, but they did keep it with an eight, but Brady had like 200 yards passing in the first half. You can't blame the offense. He spread it out over six receivers. I think,

uh, yeah, six pass catchers for them. And, and I think I wouldn't worry about their offense. I thought Heineke would be, you know, I thought,

first of all, when we thought Alex Smith was playing and I'm like, they got some bad M M Fers on this defense. You think Dominic and Sue is going to take it easy on Alex Smith? And then when I heard he wasn't playing, I was like, okay, good. He's out of there. Tampa Bay is supposed to win anyway. But I didn't think it was too much of a letdown.

I felt like take out just enough to win kind of thing. Well, this game was 21-16. Yeah. And it did seem like, oh, shit, this would be one of the great upsets, but I never totally talked myself into it. Heineken who we called Heineken last week or two weeks ago, I think he's graduated Heineken because he was really good

and you and I watch football every week he is better than average that was my takeaway, I was like this guy's a better than average quarterback, like he's. I was like, this guy's a better than average quarterback. Like he's at least as good as case Keenum was that year when case Keenum brought Minnesota to the precipice.

Same kind of build, same kind of thing with him. Right. A shorter quarterback. Yeah. I took a big hit, kept playing. He's probably had like a separated shoulder or something,

but look, I don't know what's going through this young man's mind, but I hope he intends on playing football next year. I really do. I'll take him on the pats right now. I really would. If you told me Heineken's just starting it next year, I'm like, great, as long as it's not Cam Newton.

They're not going to give him Matt Flynn money in the offseason, though. No, I don't think. I think those days are over for those kind of contracts for a guy who does great in one game. It would be like a one-year, five million, something like that. I don't know. I'm a believer. I thought the whole team believed in him, too. I thought that was the most interesting

dynamic. That was fun. They were really into it. Brady, I thought, threw a nice ball. I thought he looked good. I thought he was in command. He didn't have... I was waiting for the terrible Brady end zone pick in the second half. Never happened. No.

So every time I watch them, it just, it seems like he's not on the same page with his receivers. Like Brady, it, it almost seems like he's at this advanced level of football intelligence from all the years he's played. It just assumes the other human beings on the field are going to do these certain things based on these things that happen.

And he's constantly expecting too much from whoever, whoever it is. He's always like looking at disbelief. Like, don't you realize they dropped back into, in a man you're supposed to come back in. Like, it just seems like he's,

it's kind of how my wife treats me and my kids. Yeah. I feel the same way. You eat the sink. Like you didn't put the dish in the sink. Like, what are you doing? Yeah.

Well, you didn't send me an email through your head. I can't tell what you're thinking. Right. That kind of thing. But yeah. But yeah, I think they're explosive.

They make big plays, but I'll be interested to see what happens when they have to, But yeah, I think they're explosive. They make big plays. But I'll be interested to see what happens when they have to, if the Saints really show up next week, they have to actually put together long drives, make plays, not have cross-ups, things like that. But for the most part, I think the biggest winner of that game was Washington. Just it starts out, they have to get rid of their name.

They have the most disliked owner in the league. Right. They have Haskins, who's clearly a bust. They don't want to admit it for another four months. Don't get me started with that young man. But go ahead. Yeah. Right.

And then by the end of it, it's like, all right, cool. Well, Chase Young, who they made captain, like three games left, like that guy's clearly a Bruce Smith crossed with Cortez Kennedy crossed with Warren Sapp type guy. And maybe they found a QB and I don't know. You and I spoke, you were on the, on your way to watching the games, right? This was Saturday morning and you were like, the only way Washington wins is three. Brady gets sacked three times, throws it a pick. He just didn't throw the pick. He got sacked three times. He was pressured a couple of times. Uh, didn't throw the pick. So that was, uh, that's why they advanced. It's a good point.

They were a terrible Brady pick away from actually maybe stealing that game, but it never happened. Ram Seahawks was the weirdest game of the two days, which is saying something because Cleveland Pittsburgh was pretty weird. You have Wolford come in to start and it becomes pretty clear that they had run the whole week practice with them, which had been the whisper. But then Aikman really tells us what's going on in the first quarter when they're doing that. We talked to Sean McVay thing and he's like, you know, I think they lost some faith in Jared Goff. Like he just didn't play well down the stretch. And I think they really, you know, I think they lost some faith in Jared Goff. Like he just didn't play well down the stretch. And I think they really, you know, he's saying it hypothetically,

but you know, it's like they spent 45 minutes with Sean McVay. I think they think Wolford really gives them some energy and they can do more things in the offense. It's like, oh, wow. Sean McVay's out on Jared Goff. And then Wolford gets hurt. And also there's Jared Goff with a broken thumb. And they're up three.

And it's like, this game's over. There's no way he's going to fuck this game up. And he didn't. I had the Rams and the Rams were up seven. And then Donald went out. And up to then, and it was Russ's best play of the game. He rolled over as he was getting tackled after he got through. He rolled a weird way onto Donald's ribs or something.

I'm like, that's your best play. Good job, Russ, getting him out of the game. And then Goff was thrown with like four fingers. And I'm like, oh, Seattle's going to win this game. And they never did it. They never did. Well, you knew the pick sixes when you knew like, oh, wow. They're going to steal this now.

They're up 10. And now they can just do play action. Yeah, they just said they got to the fourth quarter. He ended up throwing a touchdown, I think, off at the end. But you couldn't ask for more if you're Sean McVay. You're in the fourth quarter, and Goff can just hand off the whole quarter if he wants. I think they would have won with Wolford by the same score, maybe even a little more handily.

But it was a rough Pete Carroll day. It really was. Seattle Twitter was not happy with Pete Carroll. Well, first of all, why aren't they carrying three quarterbacks before we get off Sean McVay? That's the most asinine thing in the world. You got a guy, your backup shouldn't even be playing. He's missing a finger.

I mean, you can't really throw with a busted thumb. Honestly, it's hard. Well, how about when they did the fourth and one QB sneak? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the Seahawks are trying to punch the ball out. They're punching him. And I'm like, wow. You're actually trying to get Jared Goff hurt for next week.

So you don't have to start him. So put Bortles. Activate Bortles. You really need the sixth Yeah, I totally a six defensive back is a better roster save than the third quarterback in that state. Well, you and I both bet the Rams.

I actually had the Rams money line in a parlay with the bills and the bucks. So I really actually needed in the wind. And I found myself saying the words, Oh my God, Wolford's down. Get up, Wolford.

You're always saying that. I literally didn't know who he was two weeks ago. I'm like, oh no. Then they show it and say, oh, maybe he'll come back. You know, maybe they're just trying to avoid concussion protocol. We were so excited. We were overly excited about football Saturday and then we'll get to this

game next but i'm like oh man we just saw rivers who couldn't reach the end zone from midfield on a hail mary now we're gonna see freaking wolford or goth and then we're gonna see heineke who we were not impressed with you know going into yesterday i'm like maybe there are too many playoff games i don't know i don't. But, but they were all like fascinating in their own way. Yeah. It turned out there were enough playoff games, unfortunately for the Seahawks fans. Mr.

Unlimited. I could really describe Seattle's game plan for you. One of the worst challenges of the season by Carol. Like, honestly, like somebody might have to take the red bean bag from him. What was that? When he thought Goff was over the line or something? I mean, he was

behind the line by a yard and a half. Three hops. I don't know what they did with Russ. Warren Sharp was big on that they were much more aggressive passing the first six games and then went back to the traditional run-run-pass thing

that gets them in trouble. But Russ just looked like he lost his mojo. And then, worst of all, they got beaten by Jared Goff with a broken thumb. Right. Yeah. That's horrendous. Just have a lead. Why are you screwing around with this team?

Russ, I think, had one-yard passing late in the first quarter. What am I even watching here? Goff finishes 9 for 19 for 155. That game not going over. I mean, I'm sorry. That game going over by 7.5 points. The over was 42.5.

Yeah. It ends up ending at 50. And it was like 3-0. And one of the quarterbacks had a broken thumb and it just seemed like there's just no way in hell this game would go over. It's good. It's actually literally impossible. And then they get a pick six on a wide screen and it's like,

Oh, of course it's going to go over. I can't figure out the numbers that has 50 points. The Ravens Titans has, uh, 33 points, right? 2013.

The Browns almost have 50 or they have 50, but I don't even know what it ended up. Yeah, Seattle and Pittsburgh just did not look like the same team the last two months of the year and we knew it. And in the Rams case, you could make a case.

The Rams defense now, who knows if Aaron Donald's 100% healthy, but when he's in there, the Rams defense is better than anything anyone else in the NFC is better at, right? For sure. Would you say there's a higher skill from another NFC team than the Rams D?

No, I don't think so. I don't think so, because I don't know what's going on on that other corner spot. Why is Tyler Lockett never getting open, right? Like, I get it. All right. If Metcalf is bounced open? Right? Like, I get it. All right. If Metcalf is bounced by Jalen Ramsey, that's fine.

Ramsey gives up 20 yards a game or something crazy. Great. Aaron Donald, we know, should be defensive player of the year. By the way, I think pressures should be a bigger stat than sacks right now. Sacks, I get most of the good guys have a lot of sacks, but you can get lucky rolling into a sack uh pressures and aaron don kills everybody in pressures every year but uh i mean we'll talk about next week's game but yeah seattle's defense is uh la's defense is phenomenal well how about

maybe there should be a stat for the offensive line completely changing what they normally do and do it like that with miles garrett today in that Steelers game where they're just double teaming him even though they've stacked the other side of the line with three guys. Right, right. And the Steelers are like, cool, we're still going to double team Myles Garrett. You can have those three guys over there. Yeah. If we found out

Wilson was playing with a torn labrum or like a strained Achilles or some sort of injury that they didn't disclose or he needed surgery on Wednesday for something. Would you be shocked? Well, I would be surprised because I think it's much simpler than that. Check the date of when you interviewed him.

I think he went to shit right after that. A BS podcast curse. Yeah, just check the numbers. I think it was right after that that it went south. You know, it literally was right after that. It's that crush. You crushed the stats. I'm sorry, Russell Wilson.

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I'll start here. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much worse do you feel about the Bills after that game? Well, their defense specifically, I feel like Mahomes would put up 600 yards against that defense right now. I don't know. The Mahomes we know, right?

I don't know what happened to the defense. Did you see the stat where the Colts, drive ended in Bill's territory? Yeah. Even though every time they started in their own territory or it's like they it just seemed like they were dominating. We were texting about it. And then you found this stat from Mike Wells about how the Colts were the first team to lose in playoff history with 450 plus total yards and zero turnovers. 11-0. Previously 11-0 hitting those benchmarks. Because we were texting like, wow, Rivers is going to go for 300 yards, no picks, never had the terrible Phil

Rivers pass. They ran the ball. They had 27 first downs and they're going to fucking lose. Mo Alleycox, gentlemen, Jack Doyle, uh, hitting all these receivers, like all these crazy,

like who else was, uh, Burton, the crate, every, all, everybody was open for the sideline pass. They dominated the first quarter of the Colts.

And then they just got stuffed at the goal line. Like that was, that was the big thing, right? So they go third and go with the one. I think give it up the middle of the tail or twice, but no, they do some kind of like pitch option play that fails.

And then they go forward from like the five, they screw up there. Then the bills come down that Gabriel Davis makes like two tippy toe catches and they, and they score there. And it's like 14, 10 bills. Like they,

they should be down at least seven points. Don't don't gloss over the 96. The 96-yard drive was incredible. Right. By Josh, that was like, I think the best moment in his career so far. Yeah. So, look,

I can only judge it by how I felt in the moment. I thought they should have kicked a field goal. Just like, why not? You've dominated this half. Go up 13-7. try to get a stop. And this is great. Normally I would say, go for it. Fourth and four makes me, if it was fourth and one fourth and two, it's one four, four yards is tough. That's not easy. That's what I mean. You have to throw it right up the middle twice maybe, but yeah,

you're losing yards on third down. That's weird. The only thing I could think of was they're thinking we kicked the field goal, but now we're kicking off to them. They have like a minute 50 left and they're just going to get the field goal back and it's 13, 10 instead of 10, seven. But if we get a touchdown here, it's 17 to seven going into the house.

Yeah, that helps. I mean, I get it. I just wouldn't have done it, but it made more sense to me than Tomlin fucking punting. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

They could see what was going to happen later in the weekend. They would be like, all right, we're fine here. But yeah, Darius Leonard was killing Josh Allen. Like he was that guy. He was like spying them. They weren't getting anything going. So maybe that's kind of why they went for like what. So what?

We'll give it to him at the at the four. But well, and then Rick Rake had a bad. They're down four. Rake had a tough game because the Colts, they blow two second-half timeouts. And it's like, we know those are comebacks on them. Of course they do. They gave away six points.

And then they got a huge break in the last four minutes. And then on top of it, and they still don't win. Poor Rodrigo misses the field goal. Yeah. Rodrigo missed the field goal. They ran 76 plays, 27 first downs, no turnovers,

no sacks allowed. I thought it was the best Colts game I've seen them play. And, you know, and on the other hand, the bills are up 14 in the fourth. I had picked, I didn't bet on it, but I picked the bills, and on the other hand, the Bills are up 14 in the fourth. I had picked, I didn't bet on it, but I picked the Bills million dollar picks, six plus minus six and a half, trying to go 13, you know, realizing I'm not going to.

But when they're 14, I'm like, this is great. Rivers is going to throw me the pick. It's a wrap. Yeah, never happened. They came right down and scored in like two minutes. It was like, what the fuck? I don't know. The Colts were good. So if you think about it, like two minutes. It was like, what the fuck? I don't know. The Colts were good. So if you think about it, like Rivers doesn't throw a pick, right?

Baker, Rivers didn't throw one, right? He had two touchdowns. Rivers didn't throw a pick. Baker didn't throw a pick. And Ben threw 17 picks. Ben threw 17 and Goff didn't throw a pick. And there was another one we were waiting for. How did Goff not throw a pick?

I know we only threw 19 times, but yeah, that should have been one of those should have gone through and Brady didn't throw one, which we expected one against that defense. So yeah, that these teams stepped up and, and,

and most of them are moving on now. You know who Alan reminded me of that game? Who? And it's funny Because on one of the channels This week They were showing One of those old

Broncos-Browns games Yeah And the young Elway Who didn't run that much But when he ran It was like this weird It was like a Steve Young scrambling

It was more like a I'm gonna run around I'm actually gonna Dish out a hit Yeah here's the ball It's like old school Yeah right Yeah here's a boom

Like just Oh good I get to put a lick on someone. But Elway was never like a huge scrambler, but as somebody whose team had to play him a few times, every time he scrambled, it was like one of the five biggest plays of the game. And the way Allen was

kind of controlling, some of the stuff he did on those rollouts, because again, I thought the Colts played really well. And Allen had five or six of those Elway plays where it's just like third and nine. He's rolling to his right.

He's running out of room on the sidelines. It looks like he's throwing the ball out of bounds. No, actually, he's just winging it 20 yards to some guy who just got open

a second ago. He did some Mahomes-esque things yesterday for sure. Yeah. It was like a... It's weird because I don't feel like he's similar to Mahomes, even though they do a lot of the same things.

He, he reminds me more, more like that Elway type just because he's so physical. Right. And there's, it was a couple of times when guys got good licks on him. He's just like laughing, running back to the huddle.

But I, I was, I thought he was awesome in that game. I really think if, if he wasn't awesome in that game, I think they would have lost. Because of the way their defense played. He had to be perfect in that game.

Or, you know, close to perfect or they lose. If he had one really shitty play, they lose. 26 for 35, 324, two touchdowns, and 54 rushing. That is going to be very hard to beat. And some big, big momentum rushes like up the middle when the Colts, I, that was a nice win for them. That was a good tester.

That was my favorite. Now I'm, I think we said it. I'm like bills bucks. Let's just do that. We'll have money at the end of the Saturday. And we did, but we never know how to hold onto that money.

That's a problem. Well, I didn't know I'd get one handed Jared Goff. We need to him to keep money. That's a problem. I didn't know I'd get one-handed Jared Goff. We need him to keep going. Yeah, right. We need him to last in the playoffs just to last. Sal, before we get to Guest Alliance,

we have the odds for NFC title, AFC title. Don't look at them. Are you looking? No, I'm not looking. What do you think the Packers are? Packers to win the next two games. Packers, NFC title champ, Packers.

Minus 120. Plus 140. This would be a great game show. Yeah, plus 140. What are the Saints? Saints are going to be plus 230. Two to one. All right.

The Bucs? Bucs will be like almost four to one. 350? Yeah. Plus 370? Mm-hmm. The listeners are like, wow, Sal's really good at this. Yeah, right. The Rams. the listeners are like wow Sal's really good at this the Rams

so the Rams are going to be 260 this is like a beautiful mind right now almost almost 7-1 650 plus 750 and then the AFC

so easy for Chiefs. What an easy thing they have now. All right. They'll be minus. They're minus 170. So I was surprised by this. Minus 125. Really?

Yeah, because people are afraid of the bills. What do you think the bills are? Bills are plus 175? No, plus 280 Oh, alright, so now I'm losing it And then the Ravens 4-1, Browns 12-1 Okay So if we're looking for value

It would be easy to say Bills plus 280, but I would just rather bet the Bills straight up next two games What's the Super Bowl for the Bills? Because they were plus 750 going into this week. So Bills Super Bowl is 6-1. Chiefs

are 2-1. Packers 4-1. Saints 6-1. Ravens 8-1. Bucks 8-1. Rams 18-1. Browns 25-1. That's a weird cluster of teams. I don't even think Vegas knows who the favorite is. No, I don't think they know either. That's funny.

You could talk me into any of those six teams. If we had five minutes per team, you could sway me on all six. I know we're going to watch the Chiefs beat the Browns like 45-6, and then we'll change our minds, but could you see the winner of the Bills-Ravens win in the Super Bowl? Why don't we bet both those

teams? I don't trust the Ravens. No? 20 points against Tennessee, I think, is a red flag. You're betting their defense is what you're betting. Remember, Calais Campbell wasn't in that game the first time against Tennessee. These guys played well today. So if you go through fade or fly,

each team, Chiefs 2-1, I'm not sure they can run the ball to protect the lead. I think they're vulnerable the whole game. I'm not sure they can stop the run either. Packers four to one. I don't trust them for some reason. I can't put my finger on it. It's such like terrible football analysis, but there's something untrustworthy about them. I feel like we'd been here before with this specific type of Packers team and they just seem super beatable to me. Yeah. You can, when it's a weird thing to say, but when you can run on them, you could really run on them. It hasn't really happened the last couple of weeks. And we've seen them get killed by what

was it? Tampa many, a couple of months ago, but right now they're locked in right now. They're the most trustworthy team, I think. But you think of like, we learned today, what was home field advantage today? Like two and four this weekend? Yeah, not good. So the Lambeau removing that factor, and that was a big factor in the Seattle thing. I just, we said

this last week, I don't think there's any chance Wolford or Goff goes in there in a loud stadium and beats the Seahawks. I don't care how bad they're playing. You know what's weird about it, though? All those teams, Seattle, New Orleans, all those teams we like at home, Green Bay, they were all 7-1 at home. But maybe it was this week that it turned.

It didn't really matter that Seattle didn't have fans. I don't know if it helped or hurt Pittsburgh this week because the crowd was in shock, but there was no crowd. But if they had fallen behind 14-0, the vibe in the crowd would have been so horrified. I don't even know if they could have come back to make it 35-23. But with the Packers, you think like Rodgers, Aaron Jones, Devontae, like three awesome skill guys, right? They're home.

They have the best player in the, in the conference. We should be like, oh yeah, the Packers are going to win. And I can't go there. I feel like the right team can just move the ball up and down the field on them. Maybe defensively, but right now who's most locked into their offense. Wouldn't you say it was Rogers and Allen Rogers and Allen. Yeah. Okay.

Um, saints plus five 50. I was not impressed today. I don't, I don't like, I just don't like them. I don't know. There's so much breeze has so many guys saving his ass right now. And Michael Thomas being back helps,

but, uh, how many times do you think he was going to throw a pick today? Sure. Now I'm going to get into the turf. How slow is that ball? Right? It's a, it's, it's in the air for two seconds every time.

It's always directly right in the guy in the right spot, but it's just like... Yeah. I forget where I heard in one of the shows, one of the insiders was like, you know, it seems like Breeze is going to retire and become a broadcaster. And what I'm hearing is Sean Payton really has been impressed with

Jameis Winston. And he thinks he could run the team next year. I was like, Jameis, I still believe I'm one of the only ones. That was Francesa. That was Francesa. No.

Yeah. I mean, I taste some Hills not going away anytime soon. He's going to be part of like six packages a half. It's like 31. It's not like he's an up-and-comer. They love him. They love him.

So from a value standpoint, the Rams are 18-1. And that's the only team I could actually talk myself into as real value. Really? You don't like the Ravens offense, but that's the value. I just think 8-1's not a great value. Rams 18 to one. All right. We're going back to,

we love their defense. If Wolford is healthy next week, I liked even the brief things of where he could at least run around and do some stuff. And it's like, could they play an ugly 13 to 10 game and Lambeau win that and advance to the next game? Maybe.

I don't know. I like the odds. It's just weird. I guess Nick Foles won a super bowl. So it doesn't matter. I guess Wolford could technically beat, go to Lambeau win and then be Tampa and then beat my homes. But I don't know.

Well, it's more a case of, is anybody really that good? Cause you, like you mentioned that Eagles Patriots super bowl. That was a year when we didn't really have a great team. And weird shit happened. And the Pats end up winning in Kansas City than ever should have.

And then they end up playing the... Oh, no, that was the Eagles. Yeah. I'm mixing up my nine Patriots Super Bowl seasons. Oh, stop it. Whatever the year was with Pats Rams, one of those years was super weird. That was two years ago.

Yeah. It was like, how is this the... Like 7-3.5 or something. Yeah super weird. Yeah, it was like, how is this? Like 7-3 and a half or something. Yeah, I was like, how is this the Super Bowl? And then on the other side, Chiefs plus, Chiefs are 2-1. Bills 6-1. That's the sexy pick.

Ravens 8-1. Browns 25-1. There's no way the Browns win the Super Bowl, right? Wouldn't that be the perfect way to... It's such gravy now. They're not taking anyone by surprise. It'll be fun. One more win would be great. Those two running backs are really good.

And we owe Baker an apology. We were saying he was like poor man's case kingdom. I loved his leadership today. I thought he made good throws. They dropped one pick. Other than that, I thought... All right, I'll apologize. As long as you that I thought I'll apologize as long as you apologized first I'll apologize

I'll apologize it's now four big games he's had in like the last six weeks I'll apologize he needs to apologize to us for being in six different commercials yeah right that's how he gets us back like Deshaun Watson's gotta be like what the fuck

I'm right here. I'm 10 times better than this guy. He is like, what the fuck? He's like JJ. Yeah. JJ Watts get commercials. It's fucking Baker Mayfield. Like they don't.

Yeah. So that story broke this weekend. There's been rumblings about that for awhile and I don't know how it works with trading those giant contracts, but if I'm Miami, I'm going all in for that too. So that's, that's the team that keeps coming up, right? You go all in. Cause if you have him and you have Flores and some of the young dudes that have, and it's like, cool, you want four, you want 17, we'll give you two, uh, done. Call it in. Two is one of the four ones you have to give up. Right. Or, or, or two? I'm doing that. I'm doing that in five seconds. I was trying to think for the Patriots.

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Guess the lines. Round two. Mm-hmm. So, do I have this correct? It's Packers, Rams, Bills, Ravens on Saturday, and then Chiefs, Browns, Saints, Bucks on Sunday? That's correct. Yeah.

Yeah, Sunday late is the marquee matchup there. How do we feel about that schedule? It feels like Chiefs-Browns should have been the first game. Yeah, I thought it was going to be Chiefs-Browns. I guess they didn't want to put two NFC late. But yeah, I thought that was... I don't know. Did they have enough time to pivot once they found out the Browns were in that game?

That could have been Saturday early. The best of the four games is Bill's Ravens. Great game. Saturday early. The best of the four games is Bill's Ravens. Great. Maybe they're, maybe they're worried. One-handed golf or Wolford with in a neck brace might be like a 30 point blowout. So put that one first.

That's it. All right. Guess the lines Packers hosting the LA Rams. By the way, what a sports year for LA Dodgers. Amazing. Yeah. Lgers. Yeah. Lakers.

And now the Rams have the city just electric. That's not true. Anybody. Well, we lost poor Tommy Lasorda, but. We did. Yeah. Yeah. Very sad.

I think that was a bigger story than the Rams winning a playoff game. Mm-hmm. So I looked at this from every angle. I thought they were factoring in some tease potential. game. So I looked at this from every angle. I thought they were factoring in some tease potential. I don't think the Rams defense can be discounted. And I just could not get this to seven.

I'm saying Packers six and a half. Well, you got close enough. I said eight. I thought the quarterback thing was fine. It worked out against Seattle. I didn the quarterback thing was fine. It worked out against Seattle. I didn't think it was going to work against Green Bay. I thought they have to score a lot more points to win that game.

Not sure. Aaron Donald's 100%. And I think he has to. You said six and a half. It's seven. So you get that. They're selling us on Jalen Ramsey shutting down Devante Adams, right? That has to happen for this to be something of a game.

It's tough to trade. I know he had to be traded and whatever. But it's got to be tough if you're like the old team to watch this guy just completely dismantle receivers every week. It's ridiculous. Almost like a top three thing you need in the NFL. This guy just is like, who's your best receiver? You're not going to catch anything. That's ridiculous. Almost like a top three thing you need in the NFL. This guy just is like, who's your best receiver. All right. You're not going to catch anything to nothing out. So the Packers are dying to be teased in this game. I'll do it. I'll help them out.

They're dying to be teased with the chiefs who we have coming up in a little bit. And it looks too easy. Just got, I'm just saying it now. You don't have to wait that long, Billy. You could tease him with Alabama tomorrow and that'll be that. What's that line? What's the Alabama line? It's like eight and a half. So if you want a money line that Ohio State's secondary will show up. I mean, the old secondary.

They'll score a lot. You're not afraid of fields? No, I don't think he's exactly right either. They've really been pushing to move this game and stuff like that. And too many weapons. And Alabama's got Waddle coming back. They're going to be better. So you want to do Packers, Alabama tees?

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm not Waddle. I'm going. It's almost like you like to gamble. Who scares you more in this game? Wolford with the possible next train or whatever he's got going or in the three MRIs he did this week or golf who Sean McVay, we now know was out on. Right.

And now it's progressively back in on, and the guy's got a broken thumb and they're like three out of every four balls is fine. Coming out of his hand in Lambeau. Goff's thumb has to get better, right? I mean, this is a guy they almost didn't put in. He probably shouldn't have been active in his thumb though. It can't work.

It can't work. If they're down 10, the Packers run this right. And they're up 10. You need Jared Goff to throw to hit Woods and Stratton. No, it's not happening. Maybe a cover. I don't see a win here. The case for the Packers, what did we say?

They were four to one to win the Super Bowl? It's kind of a gift from the gods that instead of playing Tampa Bay in round two, they're going against a team that's compromised the quarterback. Right. That's true. Good one. Yeah. Next game in Buffalo.

How about that? Bills mafia. Are they something else? That's like the new announcer thing that they just have to go nuts. Right. The Bills mafia. It's like no other team has a fun fan base, but the Bills. I don't know.

The Bills. Yeah. They're the greatest. They're so great. How come only 6,000 showed up for the game? Yeah. Where are they? They can't even fill that place?

Give me a break. Where were the other 54,000? We're joking, people. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot. We're not allowed to joke about anything. We're just joking.

Disclaimer. Joke. Buffalo, they really got the short. How as much as we had on the Steelers money line, they were furious at the outcome of this game. They could have beaten that Steelers team up. That would have been pretty easy for

them. Easier than the first time. I think I agree. Well, so I was vacillating between bills three or bills three and a half. It looks like Zach Moss is out for this game. And I thought Zach Moss, um,

was really good for them. The second half of the year was coming on and, single tear. I like, I don't know if him by himself, it, it makes me nervous. So I'm going to,

I'm going to say that's where the half point I'm going to say Bill's by three. Yeah, I wanted to steal that from you. We both got it. It's three. I would have said three and a half if Moss was playing. That's such a tough line too. The Ravens will be like plus 150 to win outright?

Yeah, sure. Right around there. My advice on this one is if you think the Ravens are going to cover that, just bet them the win. It's like that Ram Seahawks game on Saturday. Yeah, probably. If they're in the game, they're going to win it. And I feel like the Bills are either win by double digits or the Ravens could actually win.

Yeah, that's why. You're right. Like plus nine on a teaser looks good, but don't, don't do it. Just if you like them, take them, take them straight up. All right. Well, those are, I'll enjoy both of those games. Yeah, that's fine. Look, the Rams kind of screwed up.

We want the Tampa and we might get it the next round, but we wanted Brady against Rogers, but that would have been a better Saturday game. Only two games on Saturday. I know. How are we going to do it? You know, I remember on this podcast, me pushing for the three playoff games per day. I've been on this corner for a while and you not liking it. You didn't like it.

You were like, it's too much. We're going to dilute a good thing. You did this whole thing and I was trying to convince you this would be the greatest. You're like, no, no. And I think deep down you were just scared. Need I remind you of the half dozen shitty quarterbacks we just went over in the last hour. But no, no, I here's what I've come around on. So did you have it planned where only one team gets a buy?

That's how you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with that now. That's what I was like. Now that's too much's too much advantage. But I'm like, why? Why should two teams get a bye?

You're right. Just because we grew up. Look at that. Yeah, one team gets a bye. I'm fine with it. Sunday, Chiefs-Browns. Mm-hmm. So, stared at this one for a while as well.

I thought it was going to be either eight and a half or nine. And I was trying to think, would they do nine to try to screw over the people trying to tease the chiefs? But then I was thinking of the Browns running game and how good they look this week. And they're going to have their coach back and they've got the, nobody believes in us factor going.

And the fact that the chiefs have not looked good for the last six weeks and have did not play last week might be a little rusty. First half notorious, slow starting team. You don't want to be the slow starter against the Browns because they can actually protect the lead. I settled on chiefs eight and a half. Okay.

I think we split this cause it's 10 and I went the total opposite way. I said 11 and a half. They were both off by a point and a half. So we split it. I thought not no one believes in us. I thought this is the gravy bowl. Cleveland came out. They beat Pittsburgh. Not going to take anyone by surprise. Andy Reid off a buy. We're going to see all those. This counts as a buy. All those numbers. I thought it was going to be high. I went way heavy with 11 and a half, but it's 10. That's a lot of points. I'm not. I do not think

that you're getting an extra two and a half because of Mahomes. They're bumping it up. They know you don't want to bet the Browns, but that line is I don't think the Chiefs are 10 points better than the Browns. Well, here's what well, I did. I mean, I said 11 and a half, but you're guessing, you're guessing.

I'm saying like fundamentally, do you think the Chiefs are 10 points better than the Browns? Because I think the Cleveland could score. They're not like a normal seven seed that just upset a two, you know, or three, six or three, six, three, whatever it was, they could score. They're going to score in the thirties, 35 right in there. Yeah, you're right. The Chiefs aren't, you know, what do they beat?

They barely beat the Falcons. They haven't had too many great games over the last month, but maybe they're doing it Spurs style with Duncan. Like we know we'll get to the playoffs. We'll take care of everybody. And that'll be that. That's a lot of points. And we know that they're going to have trouble running the ball.

I don't know if Edwards Hilaire is allegedly playing. I don't know. He's not going to be 100% by then. Yeah, maybe. I don't see it.

That line seems too high. All right. Well, they're dying for you to do a three team tease with the Chiefs. Well, you're going to get that you win the week

if you even tie me here. Oh, I'm hitting this one. Exactly. Saints Bucks. It's in New Orleans. If you even tie me here. Oh, I'm hitting this one. Exactly. Saints bucks. It's in new Orleans. We've seen this game before the saints killed them, but I think the bucks get a lot of respect.

I have saints by three. All right. Well, you're wrong. It's not in new Orleans. It's in Tampa. No, you're right.

It's in new Orleans. You got it. Son of a bitch. I said three and a half. I thought they gave him the hook because they crushed him so soundly. I just clinched for the year. You did. You got hit by a sub. We didn't have to announce it like that. Come on.

I'm 10-7-2 for the year now. Oh, wow. Look at him. He knows exactly what he is. I was getting nervous. You're catching up to me. I think you're... Yeah, you are. You're 10-7-2. I'll tell you this. Anytime there's a playoff game in round two or round three that is a minus three,

you know that's going to be a good game. It should be, yeah. Bills minus three Ravens. Saints minus three Bucs. It's just a good game. Three means we think this game's going to be nice and even and back and forth and cool. Wasn't the Seahawks Rams three.

What a cool game though. That's a fun one. I, you know, I was bummed seeing the Seahawks Rams a third time. I'm excited about this one. Yeah. It's bugs for sure.

I don't think the team embarrasses themselves. I do think it comes down to the last drive kind of thing. Can we have that at least? Well, the other weird thing about this weekend, we might have seen Rivers' last game, and he's actually pretty good for what he usually is in the playoffs, although it was like every Phil Rivers playoff game. Breeze

seems like he's retiring after this year, after he broke 11 ribs. Roethlisberger, I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, would you? If he was just like, I'm good? No, I wouldn't be shocked if he retired, would you? If he was just like, I'm good? No, I could see him being. I mean, just his, if you listen to his press conferences every single week,

he was really doom and gloom. It was very strange. Walking around like a zombie, too. So, weirdly, Brady is by far the least likely to retire of those four. Oh, yeah. Because I feel like he's gaining strength. He's growing more hair. Yeah, right.

He looks like he's 35. All right. Rank those games, favorite to least favorite. My favorite is Bill's Ravens. Yeah, Baltimore Buffalo is my favorite. And Tampa and New Orleans second. And then I'll go Rams Green Bay third. What do you have third?

I'm excited for Rams-Green Bay. I actually think the Rams could win that game. Really? Yeah, because here's the thing. It's the playoffs, and if you can rush the passer and create havoc the way that they can create havoc in staying games... We didn't talk about Cam Akers.

28 for 131. He's really good. That keeps it going. They'll be in decent shape. I thought Cam Akers, Zach Moss, and Dobbins. I thought all three of those guys as the year went along were really, really, really good. Right. And Moss got hurt, unfortunately.

Dobbins never really got going today. A couple runs. Yeah, like 43 yards. Yeah. Like 43 yards, but yeah. I still feel like we'll be hearing from him. All right. Well, that was great.

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Check out all the details. Get started today at CarMax.com. There's going to be a car story at this parent corner. CarMax, the way it should be. All right, Sal, what do you got? I got a couple of things. Well, first, my middle right, Sal, what do you got? I got a couple things. Well, first, my middle son, Jack, he became a Steelers fan. Did I tell you this?

He's a Steelers fan because he's infatuated with Heinz ketchup, which is a weird-ass thing. And then he found out that the Steelers play in Heinz Stadium. So it's all Steelers. He got, like, $75 Amazon gift card. He bought a Steelers beanie. He bought a Steelers shirt. He's wearing it around the house the last four days. The neighbor sees him in the yard and says,

hey, I have a terrible towel from when I visited my in-laws. Do you want it? He's like, of course I do. So now he's waving this thing around. It's annoying. I'm like, can't we all just be Cowboys fans? That way we're all just miserable one day out of the year. Not one, really like 11 or 12, but the last day is all the same. Then we don't have to worry. So the Steelers get beat up. He's upset. He goes to his room.

I'm like, good. Told you so. Be a Cowboys fan. You deserve this. It's so much easier. Right. But anyway, I made up for it for everyone in the house because I went online.

I was watching some old Atari games and how so bad they were i was watching like pitfall i remember like being excited about pitfall when you jump i played it for dozens of hours oh yeah you jump on the alligator's head there was like the exact spot you could jump up and he'd open his mouth and you wouldn't die like and then you yeah you knew how to jump down near the rope i was like i'm buying a time a top. I'm going, I went online. I found an Atari for $54. It's here. I got 10 games. Yeah. Kaboom. I have pitfall. I have asteroids. I have space invaders and a missile command. I'm so excited. And the kids, wow. I got the kids

like into it. The box is not open. I didn't have any time of course, to set it up today, but tomorrow I'm going to set it up and, and it up and report back. But I have a feeling it's going to be very disappointing for everyone except me. This almost seems like a new digital series. Yeah. Where you play Atari with your horrified kids who can't believe that these are the video games we played. I got in it like maybe like 12, 13 years ago, I got an Intellivision on eBay. I didn't even longer than that. And, uh, and it was great. I really enjoyed it. It was fun when video games were a little more simple.

Don't you feel as simple as asteroids was? It was also hard to win, right? If, uh, if you put it on high speed or whatever, and the things that are coming at you, I can play space invaders for a while. I think I'm so excited to do this. Well, our agent, uh, who now we're only allowed to call manager, James Babydoll Dixon. Yes.

He sent our family like a mini Ms. Pac-Man machine for Christmas. So three years out of the last four, we've gotten the same Ms. Pac-Man machine. It was, so we were playing it and it was great and I really enjoyed it. And that's another one of our simple game. And you started getting the levels and I don't know. Remember the books you'd go, you couldn't go online. You'd buy the books and they'd show you the patterns to win

Pac-Man or to get through each screen. Now you can go online, I'm sure. And well, now they don't give a shit, but anyway, I played the Ms. Pac-Man. It was really fun. I got to like 75,000 because I remember some of the patterns. Yeah. I got to like 75,000 because I can remember some of the patterns. Yeah, I got to 78. Nice. Then I went in the other room. My son was playing Call of Duty and he's like,

Sniper, the graphics are amazing. And I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, screw you, Inky and Blinky. I'm going to have to rob a convenience store here.

Flashing Ghosts was the most exciting that I got. How many boards is 78,000? That's good, isn't it? Yeah, it gets to when it gets to that How many completed boards?

You get to that new Act 1, you get past Act 2, and then the, yeah. That's like four boards, right? So it was like the second after Act 2, yeah. Nice. I was better than that,

though, back in the day. I was an only child. What was I going to do? Yeah, I see. Well, I'll lend you my Atari. Well, please put some of that YouTube stuff online. I think that could be the content America wants. All right. So,

last time we did a pod, I was at a soccer tournament on Monday. My daughter lost in the semis. We were driving back from Arizona. And at like the four-hour mark, we're past Palm Springs. And then it's that last hour and a half stretch to LA. And I'm just like,

I'm so tired of being in the car. Cause it wasn't just that we drove to Arizona and back, but every game was at least 40 minutes, 60 minutes. So we're in the car all weekend. And, uh, I was like,

so she's got this Instagram account for realsies. I was like, let's do a, let's do a live thing for realsies where you can go alive. You take questions from people. So she's like, all right, so we go live.

Now we're driving. I'm going like 90 miles an hour. We're doing a chat with on the phone, um, and answer all these questions. And somebody asked like, why isn't your daughter ever on parent corner? And I was like,

ah, you know, it's, it's tight. I corner? And I was like, ah, you know, it's, it's tight. I'm always afraid to mess with her. Cause you know, she's a teenage girl. She'll kick my ass. And she's like, no, no, you just, I don't care. My I'm an open book. You can do whatever you want. I'm like, really? And she's like, no, no, you can't. I'm like, okay, really? Like even like your relationship, she's like, you could talk about that that's fine i'm like okay i'm like all right so she says this on the on the thing so i i marked it down so um your son did the driver's permit test right yeah how'd he do uh i forgot to ask no i think uh oh, he didn't do it He has it coming up Yeah, okay He doesn't have it yet

So my daughter My wife decides to take her To not near where we live But someplace 25 minutes away Because she heard you can get it faster You're going to study for a rate You're studying for a rate Yeah, yeah, yeah

They leave at 8 in the morning And it's one of those You see, you don't have girls there's this weird mother daughter early morning dynamic where it really seems like they might have like a steel cage match in somebody's bedroom like it's just they're screaming and then all of a sudden the door slams and then they're gone

nice takes her to get the driver's license test and then two hours later I'm power walking I'm on a phone call and the horn beeps and there's a car coming. It's my wife. Cause she's there near my neighborhood. I'm like, Hey, how'd it go? Like, I'm excited. I could tell my daughter has been crying for like a half hour and my wife's like, don't ask. I'm like, what happened? So my daughter failed the driver's permit test and she failed it

because she didn't study for it at all because her friends were like you don't have to study for it anyone can pass it but then it's like what 20 questions and you can have the three you have to get a certain score so of course she didn't know homework and my wife is so mad she's like

I don't care if she ever gets it I'm never taking it again you're taking it next time and my daughter and I'm. She's like, I don't care if she ever gets it. I'm never taking it again. You're taking her in next time. And my daughter and I'm like, what did I walk into? And then it's like, how do you not pass the driver's license test? Like, can anyone pass?

I don't know. I think it's pretty well for what, what did Saliway, how many do you have to get right out of 20? I don't, I don't know what the percentage is. So anyway, so now she's going to study for it and do it again,

but it set us back. And now she still doesn't have a driver's license permit. But I was just, I just couldn't believe it. I never heard of it. I feel like when we did it, you can go back in line and take it again. Or put on like a fake mustache and take it again. I don't know. I feel like when we were getting a license, it was like, do you have a face?

Do you have a face and two hands? Two feet. Here's your license. Now you actually have to really pass the test. So anyway. I know they throw some trick ones in, like at a four-way stop sign. If one stop sign is you and the other is an ambulance, the other is a mail truck, and the other

is a fire truck, who has the right of way? They do shit like that. I don't get it. Listen, my daughter was recently on this podcast. For anyone who heard her, like she's not a moron, but she, so we waited a week and I kind of filed it away. I didn't make a joke about it.

Cause again, you don't want to fuck with 15 year old girls. But then I finally snuck one out about how she failed it. And it was like the all time shoot the daggers. It's weird for us making fun of our kids where it's like, at some point they're going to be taking care of us and deciding, do they want to pay for a night nurse and all of these decisions? I never thought of it that way. Yeah. I shouldn't be making up terrible songs about them during a pandemic.

Yeah, you're right. But what is she mad at? They call you Datto Fatto. Datto Fatto. I'll just take it and smile. So she should be mad at her friends, though. That was my takeaway. Yeah. Yeah.

It was like, basically, she was Pittsburgh and her friends are like, no, they don't even have a head coach. You're fine. Right, right, right. Just show up. And then the snaps going over her head and the whole thing's falling apart. So anyway, my daughter said she has an open book.

So apparently that makes her fair game for Paracord. Well, ironically, she needs to open a book and study her driver's test. I'll report back when she finally passes. Okay, good. All right. That was Paracord brought to you by CarMax. Experience car shopping your way at CarMax. Oh, before we go, you're wearing a Mets hat.

Yeah. Isn't this nice? Uncle Steve came through. He did. I like calling him Uncle Steve, too. And then he signs Francisco Lindor and Carrasco. We didn't even have to give up McNeil. It's terrific.

He's making moves. It's just like guys want to come to flushing now, right? Like good players. We didn't have that forever where a good player wants to, like, they want to come here and not here. I'm in LA or whatever to come to Queens and play for the Mets. And,

uh, well, can you get Sprinter? I'm excited. Sprinter is still in play. He's still in play. Although like uncle Steve said, he really wants to honor the luxury tax and doesn't want to go over and,

and everything. He doesn't want to pay the luxury tax. I know this guy's the best though. He really just collects memorabilia and he's got the number one prize. Right. And he's like, I'm not losing with this team. Let's do it. Let's go out.

And he's like, uh, the big news is we're bringing the black jerseys back. He's so good. Every day. There's something new. He's, he's just got to bring back 86 Mets every week in some form, right? Yeah, right. This week, Kevin Mitchell is going to be our first base coach. What is the first base coach to?

Is Kevin Mitchell still alive? He might not be alive. I think he's still around. Yes, he is. Lenny Dykstra is a groundskeeper one week. Yeah, I like that. I like that idea. As you know, I only judge my baseball opinions

because all I do is watch the Red Sox and no other teams. So I only judge my opinions by if I've watched somebody play the Red Sox. Lindor was always, you know,

not a newsflash, but I always thought he was really good and he played with, like, this exuberance. Yeah, 27. You're just, like, jealous of him

on the other team. Like, oh, man, that guy seems like he'd be fun to have. Right. The same way people felt about Mookie Betts with me and then we traded Mookie Betts. That was it. You got to spend money. You have to though, right? You'll get lucky if you're the Royals one year or Tampa

Bay or something, but you got, you have to spend. And by the way, just pay off Bonilla's contract. So we could just not have to talk about that every four years. Just, just do it. Just pay it off. I love Springer. I think Springer, that dude, he's one of those dudes if you're in a big series with him, when he comes up, you're scared. Yeah.

Bad anywhere in the order. Terrific. And he's been in a lot of big games, all that stuff. Well, congrats. I'm glad. I feel like there's

this kind of sneaky New York sports renaissance happening. The Knicks? Oh, well, because the Knicks actually have a plan now, at least.

You know, it's going to take a a while but at least they're trying to they try for that coach right or is it like a Joe Judge thing like because for eight weeks we're like oh that Giants really try for that coach do they really try for Thibodeau or is that going to go away though in February I don't think so

I think that's good what do you have to plug other than to go away though in February. I don't think so. All right. I think that's good. Yeah. New York's back. What do you have to plug other than yeah, extra points, but live Fox, but live,

I think I'm the champ. So I need a futures bet. NBA futures bet. Give me one. Who wins it? NBA futures bet for the title. Yeah. I can win title

or the East or the West. I mean, the futures bet should be, are they going to pause the season in the next 48 hours? Oh, really? Oh, forget it. It's not great. Maybe I'll go college basketball then.

It's not great. I would go, I'd probably go in the East with the futures bet because I think the East is wide open. I like the way the Celtics were playing before Tatum went down with COVID. Bucks 210, Nets 240, Celtics 7-1. I feel like the Celtics, seven to one.

I feel like the Celtics are always like six to one, seven to one to win the East. Yeah. Here's the thing with the salts, you know, you know, I'm always call it like it is with the cell. Oh yeah.

There are two guys are really good. They have Tatum and Brown. That's like one of the best pairs in the league. Those guys are both all stars, top 20, top 22 guys, and they still have a trade to make, and they have a good coach.

So, I don't know. Do they not get embarrassed by Durant if they match up? This is so early to talk about this. The Nets are 5-6. Yeah. We did the over-under spot, and I think I was probably wrong on 80%. Really? Yeah, well, the Nets whip.

Speaking of, extra points, Joker for Joker for MVP. If you can do that one. Joker for MVP. Wait, I have that. Don't I? Then you,

then you, Oh no, I had Luca. Oh, Joker for MVP. Oh yeah. What are the odds of that? 13 to one.

Yeah. He's like averaging a 27, 11 and 12 right now. And that, that team's really good. All right, I'm writing that down. Yeah, so Fox Bet Live, extra points tomorrow. Damoshek, we get to hear him cry about the Steelers.

And on Against All Odds Tuesday, I'm interviewing Kendrick Perkins, one of your favorites. Big gambler, too, Kendrick Perkins. Perkins, he does Celtics halftime. He does a really good job. Yeah, he's fun. They bring him in. All right, cool. I hope Damasek, I hope his tears burn his cheeks.

I really do. I'll pass along the message. I hope they leave welts in both cheeks. Okay, I'll tell him that. Yeah, tell him that. Tell him that for me. Cuz, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. We saw that on set Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy.