The Bill Simmons Podcast - Celtics Pride, LeBron vs. MJ, and Sacramento Kings Pain With Bill's Dad and Hasan Minhaj (Ep. 216)

Episode Date: May 22, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on his dad to discuss the Celtics' worse playoff losses (5:00), Isaiah Thomas's injury (12:00), the free throw differential in the Eastern Conference finals (17:00), Avery Bradley's magic (21:00), LeBron in Jordan territory (28:00), Kyrie's improved play vs. Curry (34:00), and Kevin Love's impact on the series (37:00). Then, 'Daily Show' correspondent Hasan Minhaj joins to give his thoughts on his new Netflix special (42:00), the innovation of comedy specials (50:00), hosting the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner (55:00), the 2002 Western Conference finals (1:00:00), Vivek's ownership (1:10:00), Kings fans losing Boogie Cousins (1:14:00), Jeremy Lin's run in New York (1:18:00), the Warriors bandwagon in the Bay (1:24:00), and the Cavs' lackluster defense (1:27:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We also have Hasan Minhaj coming up. But first, we're going to talk about the Celtics with my dad because last night was insane. But first, Pearl Jam. All right, on the line, my dad. He's available. He's retired. Celtics fan.

Left at halftime in game two. Didn't leave the building but went to have drinks and just never came back because the Celtics were down by 40 points. That was one of your five lowest home game moments you've ever had as a Celtics fan, Dad? It might have been my lowest. I actually don't ever remember leaving my seat at halftime and not returning. And I'm glad I did because the lead just got higher after I left in the third quarter. But I've never seen that happen.

I've never seen a team dominate us like that, particularly in the playoffs. And all of that makes last night even more shocking, don't you think? So you didn't, it's not like you quit, you were just getting drinks, and then you kind of looked at your wife and you just said, do we even want to go back to our seats? And we're watching the TV, and suddenly a 30-point lead was edging toward a 40-point lead. And, you know, it just was tough to sit there.

A good number of people left at halftime and certainly never returned. And the Cavs are pretty cocky, too. You've never seen that kind of a playoff game before, have you? There's been ones that, there was, you know, in 2009, they lost game seven to Orlando. That was an ass kicking. The 2012 when LeBron destroyed us in game six, not to the level where, I mean, 70 to 29,

you see a score like that like twice a year and never in the playoffs. You know, you're right. The other one I guess I would put in the same category was that game six where, as you said, LeBron destroyed us. There was another one. In 2005, game seven against the Indiana series, It was that game six where, as you said, LeBron destroyed us. There was another one. In 2005, game seven against the Indiana series,

when our test melee team, when they had like six players, and Pierce had gotten thrown out in that Indiana game, and then they came back for game seven, and Indiana just killed them by like 25. I tell you, I don't count games like that, though, because that 2005 team wasn't a very good team. And, you know, the team where we went to, where the game six for LeBron destroyed us, I thought we had a chance to move on that year. And I guess we overrated our team versus LeBron's team.

Well, wait a second, though. He never played like that. In Game 5 in Miami, the Celtics won. Pierce made some big threes. It looked like Miami was self-combusting a little bit, and that led to LeBron basically reaching deep within his soul. It's interesting, though. You look at the first two games in Boston and then the way LeBron looked in Game 3.

In those first two games in Boston, he does that fast-walking thing that he does where he's so locked in. It almost looks like he's trying to catch an airplane or something. He's just fast-walking everywhere, and he's just locked in. The game yesterday, a lot of people have mentioned and written this already, but he just didn't look like he was in it from the get-go. He had that drive on Crowder, and Crowder ripped the ball from him. And it just doesn't usually happen in LeBron, but for the most part, it just looked like he was bored, like he just thought they had to show up and win, and he wasn't wrong. They were up by 21 with seven minutes left in the third quarter so um

and listen it was it was it was really a strange game by lebron uh having sat there the first two games at home here in boston where he scored high 30s and I thought he could have scored 60 points if he wanted to. And then to see him, you know, it looked like he was, I don't know what he was doing. He was certainly playing the facilitator. Love was hot. You know, the guard was hot. Kyrie Irving?

Yeah, he just... The guard. Yeah, I remember his name. I know who he is. But he just looked out of it. He looked like he was in a fog. And I know a lot of people on the radio, anyway,

have already said he kind of looked like Harden looked in that game seven. Yeah, he just had a bad game. He looked out of it. Yeah, you just don't expect him to have a bad game after he destroyed us at home i know but that's that's credit to him though is that when he has a bad game people immediately assume like something horrible has happened

i'd like to think he's a human being and is capable of kind of mailing in a game or just not having the usual gusto. What was weird, though, was that in my head, I actually thought the Celtics were going to play better last night just because defensively they were going to be better because Isaiah, who we're going to talk about in a second, but not having him out there and going with a more defensive lineup, at least you knew the Cavs weren't going to be able to do whatever the hell they wanted on offense. But what I didn't expect, I just thought LeBron,

I thought they cared about going 12-0. I thought that was like a measuring themselves against the Warriors. Like, oh, you're going to go 12-0? Watch this. We are too. So that's why I was surprised that they kind of mailed in last night, or at least some of them did. Yeah, I'm not sure they mailed it in.

You know, they shot well. Their defense was pretty iffy. But they just didn't have the same LeBron out there. And let's face it, you and I sit there, or if you're not here and we're talking on the phone, and we watch Marcus Smart and Jay Crowder take three-point shots. Yeah. And we scream, no, no, no, no. Well, Marcus Smart, how much money would you have put down that Marcus Smart was going to make seven three-point shots last night?

He saved them. And it would have been pretty good odds. He started making them when they were down 20 and he was the reason they came back. Chris Ryan wrote this piece for the ringer today about who gets credit for the comeback.

And to me, it's like, the game was over and Marcus Smart started hitting bombs. And then all of a sudden it was 10 points. And when you're coming back

from 20, which the Celtics team unfortunately has had a ton of experience with, it's got to be two runs. You got to get one that gets around gets it back to 10 then you have to have the second run and the first one was all Marcus Smart but that's I mean that's what it's been like to watch this guy for three years he sometimes he looks like the worst player in the league that other times he does that you know he's a heart attack kind of player, but it was also that kind of game, and we've been to many of them,

where it's the hump game. Can they get over the hump? They're down 21. You know, they closed it to, like, one or two, and I think they might have even tied it, and then Cleveland went back up five. Yeah. And you just got to think, if they could get a lead,

we're pretty good when that happens. And finally that happened. They still missed. I rewatched it. The Cavs were up two. Although I think it might have been one, but we didn't know yet because we didn't know the Horford counted for three. The Horford three, yeah.

But Love had a wide open shot. Horford missed a wide open shot for three. And then it came down on the other end, they swung it around, and Love had a corner three that he's made for the entire series and for most of the season. And if he had made it, they would have been up five, although it would have cut back to four with like a minute and a half left. And he missed it.

And it was a combination of the Cavs just shot really well in this series, those first two and a half games. Love had five threes in the first quarter. That's not something that happens often. And the Celtics, I heard on the radio when I was driving, I was driving my nephew home yesterday before the game. I was listening to the pregame show, and Brian Windhorst said, they had Brian Windhorst on the show,

and he said the Celtics had missed 61 wide-open shots in the first two games. And that kind of confirmed, because I went to game one with you, we both felt like the Celtics had wide-open shots the whole game. I didn't feel like the Cavs were playing that good defense. It was just, we were missing shots over and over again. They finally started going in. I don't think this Cavs defense is very good, is my point. Yeah, we did. I mean, we both said the same thing.

We walked home after game one that because we only had one day between a pretty grueling game seven against Washington and the opening of the Cavs series that it looked like the Celtics' legs were shut. A lot of those jumpers that they were making against Washington were hitting the front of the rim. And you're right, we missed an awful lot of open shots. We missed open shots in the first half last night. And then suddenly we started making them in the second half.

And the shots that Cleveland had been making, like that love three-pointer that I thought was surely going in, they didn't go in. But it still came down to that great ending. Right. But to be clear, though. Wait a second, though. To be clear, Cleveland's a better team, but the Celtics weren't. It was way more skewed than it seemed in

those first two games because they were making everything and the Celtics weren't making anything and then on top of it you had Isaiah who was out there who you and I were so confused by these last few weeks because anyone who's watched the team all season pretty closely. Like he's just been incredible offensively and specifically on drives, finishing drives, and this little 12-foot stop-and-pop shot that he had this year where he would go in at the big guy and then do this little fall backwards jumper. This floater that he made all the time. And then in both playoff, and especially the Washington series, couldn't finish drives anymore.

I was wondering if he had like a fractured jaw or something and didn't want to get hit because it didn't make sense because we'd watched him make those drives over and over and over again. All of a sudden, he wasn't making any of them. He wasn't making the stop and pop anymore. Goes into this next series, and they can't hide him on either end. I mean, he's an abomination offensively. Defensively, they're just torching him.

And it got to the point where it's like they actually might be better off if he's not playing. We didn't know he was hurt, though. I had heard rumors of it that he had a hurt hip, but we didn't know. And then it comes out, he has a tear in his hip. And listen, go Google that injury not you but the people listening like that's a bad injury like that's in it that's the injury that derailed johnny flynn's career everyone thinks johnny flynn's a bust we did a big piece about him on

grantland four years ago he had that same hip injury but never did anything about it and played on it for like a year and ruined his career martel webster same thing he i think his career was never the same afterwards other guys have come back like marcus aldrich had it uh wilson chandler's had it but it's a it's a legitimate injury and it to me it kind of fills in the blanks right because we didn't know what the hell was going on yeah we i mean you and i talked about did he have a broken job because as you as you indicated he was no longer going uh to the basket with without any trepidation he looked like he was turning off when he would get near the big men and that little floater that he hit 90% of the time during the season suddenly was off.

He wasn't aligned properly. But I never thought it was the hip. I thought it was the mouth. But now doesn't it totally make sense? Because obviously he didn't want to get knocked down and fall on his hip. But you know what makes it even, when you think about it now, just so amazing that he had that 53-point game. Well, yeah, and the game seven,

which the guys the last couple days were talking about all the stuff he'd been through that he gave them the effort he did in game seven. And I mean, that's a crazy injury to play with. And you know, it's funny, like these people that either haven't watched the team or the recency bias of the fact that the Celtics won last night and say, oh, they're better off without Isaiah.

It's like Isaiah was never that good defensively, obviously. He was always a liability, and the smartest teams always found ways to kind of make the Celtics pay for having him out there. But the flip side was that he was so great offensively that it balanced out. And you could live with his defense because offensively he was having one of the 10 best and most efficient seasons in the history of the guard position.

So now you're compromising. He was 29 points a game. Right, playing 34 minutes and shooting almost 50-40-90. So now you're compromising him and he's not having the same impact offensively. Now it's a disaster. And what you saw yesterday was the Celts were able to double down on D.

I also think Smart, and we saw it when Isaiah got hurt in December, some guys are just better with more minutes. Don't you think? Smart's one of those guys, if he's going to play 40 minutes, I actually think he's better off and the team's better off I mean obviously if Isaiah's out there it's better for everybody but to to just give him the job I think is a good thing for him

well I I think obviously we're better off with Isaiah but I totally agree Smart doesn't seem to play hero basketball right he's getting lots of minutes. You put him in there for those six, seven-minute stretches three times a game, and it's as if he—and Jay Crowder's the same way. It's as if they have to score. They have to try to make that contested three-point or jump shot. Whereas I thought he played a really smart, a really intelligent game last night. Yeah, he was in control.

He had assists, he had rebounds, he had steals, played really well defensively. I think he took one three-point shot that he probably shouldn't have taken to get four people guarding him, but otherwise, they were pretty open three-pointers. He was posting up Irving and creating plays out of that, which is something that started earlier in the season. His defense was good. He fouled out in game one in like 20 minutes. He was able to stay on the court, which I thought was big. And Stevens finally started playing Jerebko a little bit,

which you and I didn't. Jerebko's hit or miss, but Amir Johnson is just miss. There's no hit. He's hit or miss without the hit. Yeah, everybody was surprised that he didn't start Jarebko over Amir Johnson. I mean, he tried everybody else. Yeah.

I can't imagine we're going to see a mirror again. It looks like you might have gotten hurt anyway, but he brings them nothing in this series. Well,

at least, I don't know if you, did you see the free throw disparity last night? I figured you might bring that up. 36 to 12

seemed fishy for you? Oh my gosh, 36 to 12 and we still won the game? It's, I can't, I i'd be i would love for people to comb through basketball reference and try to find a plus 24 free throw on the road where you actually win it's 93 to 45 for the series in case uh in case you're going to the basket yeah i mean i think but we took one more three-point attempt or something like that than Cleveland.

So it's not like they were driving and they weren't taking threes. It was pretty even, and we were driving as consistently as they were. And we had 24 fewer. I don't get it. Yeah, they missed a lot of calls. They missed – Olenek had one in the last three minutes where he went to get an offensive rebound, and LeBron just clotheslined him basically and got the ball,

and Olenek was like, what the hell? LeBron, they're never calling LeBron on that. I remember that. But they were able to fight through it. What doesn't make sense, it's not like the Cavs have this massive post-up game. Or, you know, it wasn't like they were flying to the rim last night. They shot, I think, 39 threes. Thompson was flying to the rim.

Thompson was, yeah. But, you know, Thompson's one of those guys, they could easily call him for 18 offensive fouls, right? His offensive rebounding move is just to slam the guys in the back which if you watch if you re-watch that tape and i don't know why you would um not you but just people listening this one of the things the celtics they they they tweaked a couple things in last night's game that are pretty obvious one was that they just wanted lebron to shoot threes if they set the screen they always went under and if LeBron had the ball from far away from the hoop,

they were very handsy with him and just kind of pushing him and shoving him and trying to annoy him. But then when it actually came to the pick and rolls, they wanted him to shoot threes. And they always had guys that could switch. In game one, the one we went to, he was just constantly putting Olenek or Isaiah

into the switch or whoever the Celtics didn't want. But they had enough good defensive guys out there that they could kind of solve that one. But the other thing they were doing on defense was really boxing out Thompson. And C-Webb called it out a couple times too. There was one play where Bradley had somebody that was high screen. He defended the screen.

It went to another guy. It got shot. And then Bradley darted in just to bulldoze Thompson out of the way. And it's like Bradley played 42 minutes last night. He took 23 shots. He guarded Irving most of the game. I mean, he was only 8 for 23, but I thought he was spectacular in that game. And him and Smart really played hard.

He's not making the jump shot like he did in the Washington series, but it seems like it's slowly coming back. He's a funny guy. We've watched him all year. If he doesn't have his legs under him, his jump shot is fairly useless.

He had a good second half last night, and maybe that will continue tomorrow night. The foul shots, the one thing that was crazy was I think Horford was 7 for 18 field goal attempts, but they posted him up, I don't know, 11 times? 10, 11?

How many times do you think they posted him up in that game? At least 10, right? He didn't shoot one free throw. I was like, wow, not once he ever got fouled on one of these post-ups. Meanwhile, I think Thompson, how many free throws did he have? He had like 15 last night. Some of them were just he was really hustling. Well, some were legitimate.

I remember when we were sitting at game one and they were fouling him intentionally i asked is he a poor i didn't realize he was he has a history of being a four a poor three four shooter switched hands he he certainly made him he switched hands really yeah he switched hands like after a second. We got to talk about Stevens. He had, I was watching the game with a couple of people, including my kids. And every time we called timeout, like two minutes left, I was saying to them, like, we score out of timeouts. This is what Brad Stevens does. They had three timeouts.

Yeah, at the first game we were sitting, we wish we had 100 timeouts because we'd score 90 times. That was one of those things you said that I wish I could tweet. If Brad Stevens had 100 timeouts, we would be the greatest offensive team of all time. We'd never lose. But he had three timeouts in the last two minutes. And the Celtics scored on all of the timeouts. And the second one was the one with Jurebko who hadn't even been on the court for a while and they ran I urge everybody to go watch this play because there's a sneaky part of this play that I haven't seen anybody talk about yet

smart inbounds the ball and it goes to Bradley and people remember Bradley goes flying into the basket four calves come down on him and he whips it out to Jarebko, who's waiting there, and he shoots. It should have been a three, but his foot was on the line. The part of that play that was amazing, and it's definitely a foul. Smart inbounds the ball. Kyrie's guarding Bradley. Bradley's about to make his move,

and Smart darts like basically straight ahead toward where Jarebko is. And Bradley makes his move. And it's got it has to be intentional because it was so brilliant that I refuse to believe it was an accident. Bradley basically runs him over like almost like an offensive lineman. And then that's why Bradley was able to go flying in there. But Smart, it wasn't just an illegal moving screen. It was like an illegal sprinting pancake screen. And I don't know if it was intentional or it was designed that way or whatever,

but it worked. And then the last play, same thing. They were able to get the Bradley thing. When you watch the last play, J.R. Smith, and we're on the road, I think we were fortunate they didn't call Horford on an offensive foul. Yeah, the moving screen was there. The moving screen, he moved about three feet,

and he took Thompson with him. I think if that was early in the game, that gets called. But that's the thing. This has been the story of the playoffs, is the Draymond Green moving screens. The Marcin Gortat in the last round, we were sitting there laughing like he wasn't just moving. He's actually grabbing. He's sticking his fingers out and pushing the people like a masseuse. like Tristan Thompson does it as bad as anyone. Horford is way up there on the illegal moving thing, but it just seems like guys are doing it every play, and I don't think they

even call it anymore. It's really rare to see it called, right? It is rare. I mean, as soon as I was during that play, that was what worried me, because you could see Horford moving. Otherwise, that was what worried me, because you could see Horford moving.

Otherwise, it was a beautifully designed play. But again, we love it when Brad designs a play out of a timeout. I thought, didn't you think that was going to Bradley? I sat in the room watching it, and I was like, this is Bradley. It's Bradley curling around something with three seconds left. Because we've run that play before. I didn't know, and I'll tell you why. Because Bradley was six for 22 at that point. Right.

Or, no, eight for 20, whatever he was. I wasn't sure it was going to Bradley. I thought it would be something Horford in the post. I wasn't sure. So getting swept and getting killed by this Cavs team would have really thrown the whole summer into flux, I think. And now it feels like the universe. Now it's okay.

It's like, all right, we defended Celtic pride, won a game on the road. Now it's like, all right, keep fighting and then see where it goes. Obviously Cleveland's just a 99.9% chance they're going to win this series. And then go into the summer and figure out what the future is, which we can't figure out. You and I, there's a good Shaughnessy article in The Globe today. You and I don't, over the years, we don't always agree with what he writes. But I thought he hit the nail on the head today. And he talked about, obviously, he's talked about Celtic pride, but he also talked about

the importance of winning that game last night. You know, they've had such a good season, obviously. You win the first two rounds. You don't want to get swept. You know, you don't want that bad taste to go into the summer. Cleveland is a better team. We know that. They're probably going to win the series unless something miraculous happens with our, you

know, consistent shooting. But we may take one more game. I thought you were going to say something miraculous happens, like LeBron James and Kevin Love both get mononucleosis or something. No, if the same LeBron James shows up tomorrow night and Thursday night that showed up last night, I think we're in good shape. I don't know who that guy was. That wasn't the guy that came to Game 6 a couple years ago and destroyed us.

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Whether you're a capital one customer or not, step up your game. Download credit-wise today. Okay. Let's talk about LeBron really quick, and then you have to go. We've seen him play a couple of the best games I've ever seen anyone in my life play in person.

The 2012 Game 6. Game 1 on Wednesday night, he was outrageous. And you've had Celtics season tickets since the 1973-74 season, which is when, at that point, Kareem was the best player in the league. That was, I think, Wilt's last season, Jerry West's last season.

So you're going way back. You're going four and a half decades, basically. Where does he rank for you right now? He ranks second behind Jordan. High praise. Anytime we played Jordan, I was, I was scared. I'm not, because LeBron throws you a game like last night. Yeah.

I don't, I don't put him in the same place right now. And I'm not sure why, you know, physically he's superior in terms of the things he can do. But mentally, you just can't have a game like last night. I mean, that team should have been on a mission. I mean, Golden State had just won the 11th in a row in the playoffs. Golden State should have taken that as a challenge, and LeBron should have come out and scored 39 points again. So, I can't put him above Jordan. I don't know about you. Do you feel the same way? Well, when you say you can't have

a game like that, you're now comparing him to, like, five people on the planet. You're not comparing him to normal people. No. Yeah, I see what you're saying. You're saying, game three last night, with Jordan at his peak, Jordan's just –

He doesn't have that game last night. Right. I don't think. Right. And he probably starts talking shit to Marcus Smart. He's yelling at everybody. See, when we went to game one, one of the reasons I was so impressed by how he played, it wasn't just like the stats and all that stuff. It was like the command of the court he has. And, you know, the way he's yelling at the refs, he's bitching about every call. He was talking to our bench. He's giving barbs to Stevens and some of the assistant coaches and he's yelling at his team he was just so locked in that it just really felt like watching somebody at like just the peak of their powers which is what makes last night as

you said so weird because we just watched this guy basically master basketball four days ago and then he's you know he's like in this little weird funk it was strange yeah i think you you just raised it really well he wasn't locked in last night no uh and and it's just kind of strange to observe that and to wonder why well the problem for us is that he's going to be locked in for game four and he takes all this stuff personally and uh he's like oh really i'm not i'm not i'm not as good as jordan because jordan would never done that he's gonna absolutely destroy the Celtics tomorrow. I'm hoping he doesn't listen to this podcast, by the way. Yeah, I don't think he's listening.

I don't think he's listening. Okay, good. That's good. I did think Crowder did a better job with him. He was more physical with him. And there was, I got to be honest, I really wonder if the Celtics had a little deer in the headlights those first two games. They were not physical.

They weren't talking shit. They weren't physical at all with LeBron. They acted like he was superior to them. They were not physical boxing out. They weren't flying to the basket. I thought they were exhausted. Maybe. That might have been part of it.

Everything you just mentioned really has to do with energy level. The Cavs had had eight or nine days off. LeBron came out like he had as much energy as any human being could possibly have. And we looked dead. That's a good point, though, because now we're in game every other night mode. And that was the first. They had played three games in five nights. They played Friday night in Boston.

And you didn't have the same energy. And I do think, like, you know, LeBron on a week's rest is one of the scariest basketball things we've ever seen. It also, like, somebody was talking about this. Maybe it was Roger Sherman from The Ringer. Somebody on my Twitter feed was talking about if NBA players only play twice a week, you know, it was almost like the Premier League in soccer schedule, even in the regular season. Like, it was just like 55-game season or whatever.

And LeBron had this kind of rest all the time. What kind of numbers would he put up? I think the superstars would be immensely helped, I think. Oh, yeah. But I mean, to me, part of being a superstar is how the grind of the season, how you handle that. That's what separates the great, great, great ones from the not as great ones.

So like the fact, like he can play 75 of 82 games but but just the the continuity of that for six months and he's still standing and now he's got to do it again for 10 weeks in the playoffs and he's doing this year after year that's to me that's the case for him as if you're gonna if you're gonna start talking about greatest ever which i'm not ready to yet the uh just him doing that for 14 straight years is the best case for him. I thought the announcers did a good job in the fourth quarter last night. They were talking about the last 20 games of the season, regular season for Cleveland, and how they had a losing record and how I think they cited three different occasions

where Cleveland had big leads and lost the leads in the fourth quarter. And it's exactly what happened last night. They really aren't good defensively. My biggest takeaway from this series with just how the Celtics have played and they had not played well is how many open shots they had. We've had a lot of open shots. It's not like... At one point in game two,

they were talking about how Cleveland was locking them down defensively. It's like, I'm watching us just miss shots we've made the whole season. And if I'm Golden State and I'm watching these games and I'm watching round one where Indiana averaged like 109 points a game, it does seem like you can win these 115 to 110 type games.

Yesterday it was 77-56. Halfway through the third quarter, and the Celtics ended up scoring, I think, almost 60 points in the last 18 minutes of the game. And, you know, when you start, because they started making the same open shots that they'd been missing. But I really think that the Warriors, this is a great matchup for them. And they should beat this Cavs team. The X factor is LeBron.

And the second X factor is the fact that Kyrie, who has been spotty, he was good last night. For whatever reason, Kyrie loves playing Curry. You know? He was good last night. For whatever reason, Kyrie loves playing Curry. That's a great matchup for him, and he thrives on it. Those would be the two. I have not been impressed with their bench guys, and their bench guys really hurt them last night. Korver has not been good. Yeah, and they didn't even play Channing Frye last night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not getting anything from their bench. Love, you know, I watched the first two series that Cleveland had, and Love really didn't do anything. He's hurt us. Yeah. He's making the shot. We're kind of leaving him open, and I'm not sure.

We don't seem to be. A couple times yesterday he was making shots with a hand in his face, which was crazy. He had that crazy shot in the corner where Horford had his hand in his face. It's hard for me to believe. I do feel like they have so many riches that it's maybe hard for them to choose sometimes. But man, when we're defending Kevin Love with Jurebko, or we have Jalen Brown on him, it's really hard for me to believe after

having watched his entire career that he can't post those guys up that just seems like that should be an automatic two points every time but um they've kind of marginalized him a little in the corner and that's that's you know right they have listen before I go I wanted to give a shout out I just finished Kevin O'Connor's article in The Ringer today. Yeah. And he really did a nice job of laying out the Celtics situation, the predicaments we're going to have in terms of choices to be made, whether we're playing for the present or the future.

What do we do with these pending free agents we have that I think most people aren't even aware of? It's food for thought. It had me thinking, you know, what would I like to see them do? So just would recommend it. An organic ringer plug. Thanks, Dad. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't know.

I don't really know what the solution is other than that Isaiah's injury is the big X factor now. Because if he has to have hip surgery, it scares me. Isaiah was an X factor before the injury. Yeah, but you're talking $200 million contract for a 5'8 guy with a hip injury is really frightening as much as I love him. I mean, that is a complicated wrinkle that they were not expecting. Exactly. I think they were all ready to take faults or whoever

and kind of limp through the next year with feet on both sides of the barrel, try to sign Gordon Hayward, bring Zizic over. But if Isaiah has to have surgery now, I don't know. I think that's still all in play. I think more than ever it seems like they should want to take Fultz. More than ever they should be looking at Gordon Hayward. But again, you have the Isaiah and Avery Bradley coming up at the exact same time, and Marcus is going to be restricted. And what do you do with

Jay Crowder? I would hope that he enjoyed his new location. You like Jay Crowder. He played good defense last night. He was good. The problem, if you were the GM and you were trading Jay Crowder, you would just call and be like,

Jay, I think you're a very good basketball player. I just can't watch you take any more contested threes. I'm at my limit. I'm at capacity. I can't do any more of these. Maybe as a fan I should write him a letter and tell him I love his game, except...

Dear Jay, please stop shooting contested threes. I've been watching basketball at these games since 1973 and every time you shoot, I gasp out loud. But you know what he has? I've noticed all three of these Cleveland games

and didn't Washington too. If he fakes the three and then goes in and takes the 15-foot jump shot, he really has a good shot. Right. But there's something that must attract certain players. Yeah, he needs his feet set. Smart has the same problem. If he's set, he needs his feet set. Smart has the same problem.

If he's set, he's a different guy. So would you trade the number one for number three, Saric, and the Lakers' unprotected pick next year? No. Wow, no. Oh, my God. I think the Lakers are going to be better next year. You don't like Saric? I'm not sure what.

You like Saric. You told me you like Saric. I like him, but... You want to move back two spots and get Sarge out of it? I'm not saying Philly would do it either, but think about it. Mull it over. Well, I've mulled it over, and I'd rather give up nothing and sign Gordon Hayward. Okay, there you go.

My dad. I'd rather have Gordon Hayward through his emissary secretly telling the Celtics we're all set. We can't announce it, but we're all set before the draft. Okay. Gordon, if you're listening, get on that. Send us a signal. Send us a smoke

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big Netflix comedy special coming how did you film it's coming May tomorrow May 23rd tomorrow

yeah I don't understand how you filmed it because it looked like the camera was I was watching the yeah the ad for it

it looked like the camera was in front of you but yet you were in an audience we got it on like we our director chris store like pulled a bird man he like put the camera on we took a lot of inspiration from that because it's a lot of like personal stories about me my dad growing up you know immigrant story and stuff like that and a lot of it's super intimate so when i did it off broadway there's those moments where it gets super quiet yeah Yeah. And I remember I was like, how are we going to get this to translate? Because comedy specials, they play in the wide and they have a semi-tight.

Right. But I'm like, how am I going to get this to like. In a stool. Yeah. Yeah. And just like one spotlight. Yeah. So to me, I was like, how am I going to get this to play?

And Chris was like, who did he? He also directed Bo Burnham special, which was great. Make happy. He's like like we will bring the camera on stage and do the whole like there's even like a Michael Bay effect that happens where I'm performing and

it just goes around me and I didn't know if it would train but the audience was like they were with so the audience wasn't freaked out like you were there right yeah walking in front of you basically like the what did the audience think they can't hear her yeah Manny said Maybe you were there, right? Yeah. Walking in front of you, basically? What did the audience think? The audience is there. They can't hear her.

Oh. Yeah. Manny said the audience was fine. Yeah. They were just very proud of the experience. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was wondering, watching the preview, if you taped it a second time for the close-ups.

Oh, no. That's how cool it looked. No. We did it. Very innovative. I predict some awards buzz. Really? Yeah. That's big, though. time for the close-ups oh no that's how cool it looked no we did it very innovative i predict i predict some awards buzz really yeah for like that's big best best show directing or something i was like how the fuck did they do this you know but the thing that i that we thought about was

like how many times in a comedy special do you see personal tell said joke they'll cut to audience for laughter yeah but to me some of the best specials when you when you watch dave or you watch prior the best specials are when they cut and people are just listening or thinking or like reacting in real time or masturbating yeah just jerking off and yeah just a man vigorously pumping cut to that um cocktails yeah no i do like that but you know so it's like it like there's a lot of moments in the show that just breathe so i I'm like, cover that. Like, just have that. Yeah. And when you're doing a show like that.

Yeah. So how long was it? Like 70 minutes? 70 minutes. Yeah, 72. Yeah. How do you have it so that in your head you're not even thinking about? Because I have a bad memory for remembering point A, point B, point C, point D.

Really? Like, how do you lock that down so that it's like you're hitting every single mark like is there a point where you you might screw up like at the 45 minute oh shit i said that joke so i gotta go back or yeah but you just go what's cool about theater is that you're given way more leniency than actually the stand-up set because if i was doing a traditional set with like the mic and i didn't have the screens and all that stuff, it would be like I have to get so many jokes per minute or they'd be like, oh, he's losing them. You know what I mean? Right.

Whereas with this, it was just like we're in the story. It's stories. They're like a collection of like, you know, three to four stories that link up together. And there's a thread that connects them all. But if I'm if there's something that's organically happening in the moment or I'm recalling something and also by that point I had toured it around I'd done it off Broadway I'd dinnered around the country like 40 plus cities so it was locked in sleep at that point yeah it was like locked in the the rush of it was doing in my hometown yeah like bringing it back to the place where all the

stories happen where you know my family first got came there and that was like that was the oh shit that was like the the special you know that x factor that made you just feel that extra emotion there that night what did you say comedy central was because you're in the daily show you said comedy central is the feeder system to netflix oh yeah internship program for netflix you know it's crazy so they were at the dinner. Was Comedy Central mad about that? They were like, what the fuck? They were sitting at the table with my family. So when I did that joke, you could see Kent Alterman and Sarah Babin.

I'll be like, no, come on. Like their heads cocked back. Because, you know, they don't like it was it's a little on the nose, you know, so it's just like, like, you know. And then it's on the nose now that Netflix is throwing money at every comedian. Dude. Basically trying to buy the corner. But I didn't get the... You missed out?

No, no, no. I didn't get the... You missed out on the t-shirt cannon with money? The Chappelle deal? No, no, no. They have like the... They have like... That's the NFL.

And I got like the XFL deal. Oh. No, but it's still, you know... Hey. Yeah. It's still a deal. Look, man. It's cool yeah no but it's still you know hey yeah it's still a deal look man it's cool that and it's also in like 150 countries what's wild is that they were just like all right we're going all in on stand-up and that's there was a period of time in the last

few years with everything streaming i was like what's going on so like there's three specials a year on hbo there's maybe like five or ten on netflix like there's all these great stand-ups yeah what happens to their specials and then they were just like all right no we'll we'll quadruple down and we're gonna do this like every couple weeks we're gonna showcase it is an amazing shift yeah because like it like the 90s hbo the young comedian special which was one of my favorites how big was that at like breaking i i mean i was a nerd with this stuff so it was super important for me i don't know if it was like in the mainstream as a boston dude were you like oh shit that's kevin meanie like oh man like yeah like like this is like a

guy from like my like and he's coming up and i usually i cared more about because letterman was really the place initially it was carson but in the 80s it was Letterman so you knew some of these guys from they would go on Letterman early early yeah and then the young comedians kind of became the new place

and then that lasted there were some I mean do you remember growing up and really sticking around from 11.59pm to stick around to like 12.50pm because they put up the comic last

to be like on Letterman yeah right because they do monologue act one act act two, and then they would do 1230. So it was even worse.

It was like one 30. Yeah. Um, I, I was one of the first people that had VHS and you'd record it. It was like, I'm talking like 82. I mean,

yeah, I guess more people had it back then, but it felt like a new thing. Apatow was like a super, yeah. Super nerd about this stuff. I would tape Letterman. Yeah.

And then in the morning my mom would make whatever. And I would just watch the first 15 minutes of Letterman and then come back and watch the rest. Oh, wow. Yeah, I wasn't allowed to stay up. I was only like 13, 14, 15 at that point. What was... But yeah, the comedian. But that's how I knew who Jerry Seinfeld was.

So when Seinfeld came into Stanford, which is where I went to high school, it was like 87. I was like, Seinfeld came into Stanford which is where I went to high school yeah um it was like 87 I was like we gotta get Seinfeld's coming and my my mom was like who's Jerry Seinfeld I was like this guy that Letterman has on all the time right because he was breaking he was doing like it like six or seven times he was doing it a ton right oh yeah Leno was on every six weeks like nobody knew who Jay Leno was until he was going on Letterman which is the irony of how it played out denim up top and up bottom like I don't know Leno like apparently he was going on Letterman which is the irony of how it played out I only know Denim up top and up bottom I don't know Leno like apparently he was like an edgy young comic

Leno was Letterman's best guest everything good that happened on Leno was because of his Letterman appearances oh really? seriously he was like the crowd would go crazy he had this running bit called what's my beef and Letterman would be like alright Jay what's here what's your beef and Jay would be like you mean what's sticking in my craw and do this whole thing

and uh so he had him he had seinfeld michael keaton who was acting but would come on and basically do comedy he'd stand up too right yeah yeah he did he had all these regulars but then it was the comedian special then in the 2000s it became the comedy central special right premium blend and half hours and all that stuff yeah and then it eventually led to um this netflix boom which i i would say is the most successful iteration i think we're i think like 100 what'd you say 148 something like that 150 countries yeah and obviously it's doing well because if you go to netflix there's always comedy specials and like the premiere real estate spots but this is where you're gonna be the thing is you got to think now is what are you going to do to innovate within the space?

That's why for me, like first special, I wanted it to be like the one-man show format, like on a stage, set designs, like really plan it out. Because you have their attention for a week because then next week it'll be like Tracy Morgan or Maria Bam. It'll be the next comedian so you want to kind of when you have that moment be like all right well what are you going to say you know yeah it's the same thing with the dinner it's a rare time when you have like the nations and the world's attention for like 20 minutes i thought you were hilarious about how you were talking about all the people that got passed up for it jesus christ everybody passed on it like everybody there's the it's you know it's so funny it reminds me of sports you know how like people like how did kawai

like how did so many people pass up on kawai he was this guy he played for what san diego state or something like that it's one of those things this is like james corden passes alec baldwin insists that he has to do it as trump kevin spacey wants to do it as... Did Applebottom really insist that? Yeah, yeah. Like, Kevin Spacey... He's a lunatic. Kevin Spacey wants to do it as Frank Underwood. And so then, like, people... You know, my agent was like, your name's being thrown around.

And I'm like, I know where I'm at on the totem pole. Yeah. So it's just like, I'm second round. But you're young, though. Yeah. What are you, 31?

Yeah, but I'm also... I also don't have a show. The pedigree is usually Conan, Kimmel, you know, Larry had a show. Seth Meyers did a couple of times. Seth Meyers, Cecily Strong had been on the SNL for a while. So it's one of those things where it's kind of a newcomer.

I did the congressional correspondence dinner the year before. And I did this big speech on gun control because it was coming out of Orlando. And, you know, no bill, no break was a big topic in Congress. And that kind of put me on the map a little bit. But I knew where I fell. I was like, oh, I'm the last call on the list. But did you have a feeling that Trump was kind of hoping this dinner wouldn't even happen? Well, by him pulling out, the narrative was he pulls out.

Then he sends, you know, Lord Voldemort tells the Death Eaters, you can't show up. So the entire administration pulls out. Then the public narrative is like, oh, the event's not going to happen. But it's been going on since 1921. And a lot of people don't know this. The White House Correspondents Association is a group of journalists who cover the White House. They're not King Joffrey's goons.

They don't work for the White House. And the dinner is actually really great. They give scholarships to young journalists. Woodward and Bernstein were being like honored. They spoke like it's a legitimately very good thing. Yeah. But it has nothing to do with the president. The president goes as a sign of good faith to be like, I can take a joke. I'm honoring the freedom of speech and freedom of press. He's a baby, so he doesn't he can't take a joke so he pulls out so the narrative that the public had was oh the event's not going to happen because it's it's the it's the president's dinner which is

completely false it's not yeah um and then i was put in a kind of an interesting situation where it's like sam then announced after trump announced oh we're going to do the not the white house correspondence dinner or she actually announced i think before yeah that she was going to do this anti-event to trump which kind of makes sense because he's such a narcissist that if celebrities showed up to the dinner he'd be like look at me like i got george clooney here carrie washington they obviously love me so i understood that so then it was like that that hurt yours a little bit well i was put in a weird situation brand confusion yeah exactly if i show up am i crossing some sort of picket line against her? But I called Sam and Sam was like, go for it.

Like, do it. And I knew they were kind of in panic because I got the gig three weeks before. And you usually get it. Yeah, like they were panicking, man. Like, you usually get the call three months before. So three weeks before, they're like, do you want to do it? So I call Sam and i'm like hey look like we're all daily show alumni like you know we're i'm at the daily show she's alumni it's like

i'm on the same side as you like and she's like do it i call larry wilmore wilmore's like look think of it this way you can throw bricks outside of the building you can throw bricks within the building so he's like tag team it like just you do your thing there and she does her thing outside of it but do it and so uh that was super cool and then i was like all right i gotta figure this out in three weeks i think it was a good idea that you did it yeah yeah well for me different audience get your name out there yeah the monologue was good it was a monologue or is it what do they call it 20 it was like 25 minutes. Speech? Speech? I guess. I don't know. Presentation? Did you write for Kimmel's when he did it?

No, I did not. Jimmy was like sweating up there. It's a tough gig. It's a nerve wracking. It's a weird room. He said it was really hot when he did it. Oh, is that why he was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because you're all wearing tuxes too. Yeah. If the heat in the place gets beyond a certain place, it's like a fire-retardant suit. Yeah. It's weird. I had a friend. Have you been to the dinner before? No, I've never been.

It's weird. It's a bizarre. And you're going to their party. You're up last, 1030. It's gone on for like hours and hours. For up two and a half hours at that point. The other thing for you is like Obama was such an asset at those dinners. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He could keep the crowd going in the middle and he would crush and he was

always good he would do 30 it's like a borderline stand-up comic i would say better man yeah his because in terms of that specific gig he's taylor made for it charismatic charming funny quick great order and he can do bits like game over there's you'd be hard-pressed to find a comedian who could follow him in that room yeah then his last year he crushes that his finale his last one was the best i don't know i don't know if i could have followed so for me the narrative miss him yeah yeah he was i'm not even saying i missed the politician i just kind of missed the obama oh the guy yeah I just missed the fam yeah

they're a great first family they really were they enjoyed it it was like they were like a sitcom family that didn't have a sitcom very much so yeah

the wife you could picture like she definitely gave him shit behind the scenes all the time yeah probably like

he put on two pounds she's giving him shit about the robe maybe we gotta go on a diet this week episode three or four he's like smoking in the backyard. I'm like, stop smoking. I can't.

That was episode one. Yeah, Sasha and Malia are just like, I caught dad smoking. Like, there's that moment. That was definitely the pilot. There's that. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of great stuff. I caught dad smoking might have been the name of the show. Right, right.

Dad, tell me about how you met mom. It's like, well, back in the day, actually, she was a partner at the firm. And I was trying to, like, you know what I mean? They need a flashback sequence. It's a young Barack. Yeah. How many times have you been offered some sort of show, like sitcom, any of that stuff?

After the dinner, it's weird, man. It's like, I finished the dinner. I didn't know how it went until I, because I never felt like I had the room. You get these pockets. You get all these weird clothes. That's why Kimmel said the same thing. You don't feel like you have the room

because there's too many different agendas going on and you don't have it. Yeah. I knew up top when I did the USA Today joke and they were like, ooh. I was like, over USA Today? Yeah. And I remember I wrote it.

Wait, tell the joke. I know the joke. Tell it for the audience. USA Today is here tonight. Oh, no, no, no. It's amazing. We have some of the greatest journalists in the world. And yet when we all checked into the Hilton we all got a usa today and they were like oh

like like it was like oh like that like it was like a world star level like no and then um it was like every time a usa today slides underneath my door it's like they're saying hey you're not that smart right right usa today is what happens when the coupon section takes over the newspaper and at that point they were just like too far like we gotta write a think piece about this why hasan minaj's jokes about usa today are problematic like it felt like that like you could you are usa today phobic how did i was like jesus and you know what's interesting is i worked with my head writer prashant and I worked with John Mulaney on it too and Mulaney had written for Seth Meyers's yeah and Mulaney told me he's like look man up top you gotta lube it up a little bit you gotta just some layups yeah yeah because you're about to ram it later you know so just like just ease in man warm up stretch like right-handed layups left-handed

layups like ease it in so I was like US today will be so like easy then i'll do cnn right right then i'll get to like the the harder stuff later when i got the groans up there i'm like all right strap in like this is gonna be the rest of the night yeah i knew that if i could get around a home base defending freedom of speech is a bipartisan position so like whether you're a bleeding heart conservative or liberal you're gonna just be like usa usa about like indian american muslim kid being like and that's why freedom of speech is and we're one of the greatest countries in the world only in america can an indian american muslim kid get on this stage and make fun of the president everyone's like yeah so if i could get to that i was like i'll get the room but the 21 minutes before that i was like i don't know what's

gonna happen um and i didn't know that i had the room until yeah then i was like i don't know what's gonna happen um and i didn't know that i had the room until yeah then i was just like thank you and good night and then when people stood up then i was like this is unbelievable i couldn't i couldn't believe that and then um it was weird then the illuminati called when anna winter was like do you want to go to the met gala i was like all right this is this is getting weird that was that was like, do you want to go to the Met Gala? I was like, all right, this is getting weird. That was like the next day. Did you go? Yeah, that was weird. Surreal.

Celeb studded. Yeah, it was the opposite of what the White House Correspondents Dinner was. No celebrities were at the dinner. When a celebrity dinner is more like guys wearing suits that have coffee spilled on them. Right, right, right. For the most part. In some tuxes. Yeah, but I actually know the characters.

I'm like, yeah, that's like Jake Tapper. Working at the Daily Show, I know the characters in the room. I'm like, oh, Glenn Thrush. Oh, yeah I actually know the characters. I'm like, yeah, that's like Jake Tapper. Working at the Daily Show, I know the characters in the room. I'm like, oh, Glenn Thrush. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? I know them. So people make fun of it, but I'm like, yeah, I know these guys. I want to talk about the Kings, but first, quick break to talk about Legacy Box, a simple and affordable way to get your recorded moments

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yeah that's your team I never get a chance to talk about the Sacramento Kings with anybody we have a fan in the office

at the ringer Riley McAtee are you serious yeah oh yeah dude we get shat on all the time

and I got into a big argument with Larry Wilmore about this but I'm talking about the O2 he's got the Laker fan

superiority complex you know what though man it's just like they don't even take the king seriously people are just like people don't give us enough for the o2 western conference finals in that and the shafting that happened we got fucked man yeah you did i was writing about it at the time no but people think it's conspiracy theory but you look at the way the narrative unfolded. And I had to write this down. I was like, I have to remember because this is like, this is wrong. That was such an egregiously bad officiated game that I remember where I watched it. We win 61 games.

Yeah. We go up 2-1. We're great. We're looking great. Game four. You're up by 20 in game four. Game four, Ori shot. Classic Sacramento.

Ori shot on a miss and Vlade taps it back out. And by the way, that's the right play. When Vlade tapped it out, get the ball out of there. Clear it. It's just Kismet luck. And the irony of it is it was like the greatest possible pass you ever could have given Robert Horry. He taps it to him.

It's chest high, right where he can catch it. His feet are set. He doesn't have to go left or right it's like perfect perfect that's where you believe like oh

is there karma with sports when you see players like that that's when you're just like oh yeah God hates Sacramento like yeah in that moment you're just like

this is the worst yeah game five Bibby shot Bibby it re like ignites my faith big balls for Bibby

that whole playoff huge balls least afraid guy in the team in that game five moment solidified remember you got to understand you know we had traded away traded away white chocolate so there was this whole narrative of just like we went safe and it paid off it's like yeah he can hit a 17 footer and we ran the play and he hit it and it was beautiful we go to game six and that's me, that's the egregious highway robbery situation. It was outrageous. Was it 27 free throws?

They shot 27 free throws in the fourth. Someone on Twitter is going to get at me about this. But it was, they would average 20 something for the whole game. The Kobe, Bibby elbow. Near the end. Yeah. Like 30 seconds left. And look, I argued with. It. Near the end. Yeah. Like 30 seconds left. And look, I argued with...

It was a street fight. Yeah. But the Kings weren't fighting because they were just getting hit by two by fours. Yeah. It was terrible. And I argue with Larry about this where he's just like, you still miss free throws and champions find a way to win. But I think there's always that tipping point for every team that's on the come up where

Kismet has to be on your side a little bit you got to get these little breaks game seven another forgotten moment chris weber gets that technical for arguing with the ref in regulation how many situations in a game seven situation do you technical the lebron would never get that kobe would never get that call like for arguing with tim donahue or Weber And C-Web was one of the Five best players in the league At this point

Yeah We go into overtime We lose So here's my counter to all of this And by the way I'm on your side I think you got completely robbed In game six

Uh huh And I think the Kings Were better that year We win the championship We play the Nets and we win Yeah you beat the Nets Yeah Game seven was

In Sacramento Yes You gotta take care of business In game seven at home and we went. Yeah, you beat the Nets. Yeah. Game seven was in Sacramento. Yes. You got to take care of business in game seven at home. They didn't. There were two big shots. I think Peja had a wide open three. Hedo also whiffed like a big shot to Turkoglu.

No, Christie whiffed on one too, but the Peja one, it's like that guy was one of the best three-point shooters in the league at that point. He's the guy, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, Christie whiffed on one too, but the Peja one, it's like that guy was one of the best three-point shooters in the league at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he just whiffed on it, and it was like all these guys around, the peripheral guys that you need in a playoff series,

none of them could come through when it mattered the most, and C-Web was terrified. I studied that series pretty closely when I wrote my book. C-Web, like Bibby was- He got shook. Bibby was the guy who was like,

I got this, guys, and c-web was just kind of the numbers don't totally reflect what it was like to watch it because c-web was amazing you know what i feel like come on c-web you you can get whatever shot you want that happens with guys who stat stuff you know there's guys who always line up like when you look at the stat line yeah they're great for fantasy but there's always this intangible x factor i think you talk about it in the book too where it's just like there's no statistic for that of just like uh they make it happen it's called who's clutch it's called who's scared right now but it's why that paul george you know that that gatorade commercial they have right now the paul george flow one

he's not a clutch player so that gatorade commercial is a farce right when they when they cut he's like yeah and they. And they play Tribe, right? And it's like, no, you're not clutch. You've actually never hit a game winner. So this whole thing is a farce. That's a thing that the internet, the fantasy nerds don't realize. There's this X factor, which, and I hate saying this, that Kobe had. He would get the ball, he'd be like, fuck, he he's gonna make this this shot mellow kind of has it too he was he had a couple years where he was

really clutch he would be the guy who could hit a big fourth quarter shot or a game winner he was like really good at that so we didn't have that guy i always i love game sevens because and i went to one i was lucky enough to go to one on monday when the celtics played the wizards yeah and you really you really know you You can just tell. You watch it and it's like, who wants to be here? Who's not afraid? Like, I was really impressed by,

on the Wizards, like Bradley Beal was not afraid. Yeah. Otto Porter, not afraid. And Wall stepped up too. John Wall, yeah, he almost wore himself out. He wanted it so bad

he was like dead in the fourth quarter. But I thought it was encouraging for them. And then on my team, you know, Marcus Smart shows up really when it matters the most. Crowder, Bradley, Horton. Guys that were just like, okay, we got this. We don't care if it's game seven.

In the Kings, it's like you look back at that series. Peja wasn't ready yet. He was young. Christy wanted no part of those shots and was never really a good shooter anyway. He was like a diet, diet Pepsi version of Scottie Pippen with way less skill. Isn't that the weakness of that team though? No, but we had Bobby Jackson.

Bobby Jackson was not scared. He was great. He was tiny. He actually had kind of that IT4 fire. I'm just like, I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna do the layup and I'm gonna go for the steal. He just didn't care.

The thing that bothered me a little bit about c webb was yeah like there wasn't that garnett like give me the remember when garnett wasn't was in his prime just like give me the ball and i'm gonna head to head and oh yeah yeah yeah it bothers me too also is you talk about it in the book is i actually think this, we lose that series. And then the next year we went 59 games, but Weber gets hurt. And it's, it's the beginning,

it's the beginning of the end. And when you're a small market franchise, you need these years where it all lines up. Boston had that in 08, where it's just like you went to war with the Lakers, but you came out. So it all became worth it. And you could retain the team for a little bit longer.

Dallas beating the heat, same sort of thing it's like you're not going to go up to impress the red button and blow up the franchise and i wish oh two to me was a critical year could have won two that was the year the spurs won it was basically just duncan parker and genoble were pretty young no but robertson was washed up gets hurt that's what i mean oh three like if if weber stays healthy that year, that could have been the year too. Yeah, 2004, he comes back. I'm a big window believer. You had a three-year window

because in 2001, the Lakers were just ridiculous. They killed the Kings. But post-Jordan, what team is better in that 1998 to 2004 window than Sacramento Kings? One of the most exciting teams ever. We had the White Chocolate years, which is the come up. The Lakers did win.'t oh right yeah but like as like an elite team that's like and to me i i would see what the suns would do later and then what the warriors are kind of

doing that like doing now that they had that in the early 2000s i'm kind of seeing the 2.0 and 3.0 versions of that now yeah the other thing that was cool about that Kings team, which people, as the years pass, it kind of fades, is the league was so, it was like all the hero ball, the MJ era led to the hero ball era. All these guys just clear out, I got this, I got this. And everything was one-on-one, or like just throw the ball to the low post.

Shaq, who you had to foul to stop, and the rest called it or they didn't. But then the Kings were actually guys who were back cuts. Back cuts. Vladi around the back. Yeah. It was fun. The league really needed them. And they all played off of each other. It was really great. And believe it or not

that era now we're all in like Mamba memory. Like he was the that team was really Shaq's team he was oh yeah he was eating people alive he's fucking just swallowing the trailblazers just dunking all over people just four people grabbing him destruction just massacres in the key and he was in shape and he was big that's what i think game six the kings were were guarding him a certain way yeah and then in game six the refs were just like, no, it's a foul.

Yeah. But they had already established a certain level of contact with Shaq. And the reality is Shaq was so unstoppable at that point. I think going into game seven and it was at home, it just broke our spirits. I agree with that. It definitely put a paw all over game seven. Yeah. But it was still like, man, that Lakers team was ready to be beaten.

Even Phil Jackson, I interviewed him once, and I asked him about that year, and he was like, that was the one year we probably pulled it out of our ass a little bit. You think Phil Jackson, the hype around him is warranted? I just think he's an old guy who shouldn't run a team. He's my dad's age. I don't guy who shouldn't run a team. No, but he's my dad's age. I don't think my dad should run a team. But he's,

but Auerbach did that. Didn't he? It wasn't Auerbach like super old and he was running a team. And do you know what I mean? Back then it was like, he, he was like the trainer too. He's stretching.

He's like stretching. He's like smoking a cigar. He's the accountant. Stretched you out. Yeah. There's like five people. I don't know, man.

And you know what sucks is that like people shit on us all the time about how we how we give up our best talent and it's it is sad it's like seeing an ex-girlfriend go on to do great things now we have the isaiah thomas thing at one point we had isaiah thomas hassan whiteside and demarcus cousins right all that's crazy in that trap hassan whitesitesides was crazy when he played for you. Right. Right. Isaiah. I mean, the Kings fans knew Isaiah was good.

You think he was pizza guy then? I think Boogie and Gade. You think we could have made it work? I think Boogie and Gade told the owners in the front office, like, yeah, can you get us a pass for a point guard? Is what I think. So that's why the Collison thing happens? Yes.

I think the blood is on the Boogie hands. like that one i like i mean i've been a long it's been heartbreaking i've been was it weird for you that vivek bought the team yeah it's weird because look as an indian american you get super proud but then you find out he's you get the first indian american yeah but then he's insane do you understand like representation matters yeah if you're a white owner they're so like it's like all right that's he's a bad one like we have a guy the jaguars owner's pakistani too so i think there's like there's only like shat khan yeah the guy looks like ron jeremy yeah there's only like whatever so this is also the thing where you get into like billionaire mindset when you've won at so many other things in life, you can't tell them anything. It wasn't,

didn't he have this weird strategy with his, like his daughter's basketball team where like, there's like, don't play defense or was he proud? It was the, it was the full court press with like seventh grade girls basketball or eighth grade or something. Yeah.

And he's just like, let's do that with NBA basketball. I actually, I'm a, I'm pro Vivek. I just think, I think he's a really smart guy i think these guys sometimes make the mistake of when they take over an nba franchise they just

they've succeeded at all the other parts of their life yeah now i'll do this and i'll and i'll put put in this and yeah the owners that actually succeed in the nba are the ones that don't do that who they go and they get somebody who knows what they're doing and then they stay out of the way and kind of run in a hurry. You think having Vlade in the front office is a good thing? No.

You know what's crazy? Vlade wasn't in the NBA for 10 years. What was he doing? He was like in Europe. He wasn't even like around the league. He was doing the interview

for that 30 for 30 where him and all those guys were like a friend. Oh my God, the Vlade stories are crazy. Like the GM's calling and him not understanding certain mechanics

of the cap and things. I mean, I'm sure he's better with it now. Is that a real thing? Yeah. of stories are crazy like that the gm's calling and him not understanding certain mechanics of the cap and things i mean i'm sure he's better than now is that a real thing yeah you know what's crazy is i got to plan this like this was this this is even bigger than dinner for me i got to play in the nba celebrity game so i saw them i saw them uh saturday night so i see them sitting there everybody's walking up to you know all the a-list people but i was like i gotta pay homage so it's it's vivek uh vladi and pasha and i had to go up to vivek because he essentially saved our franchise from being bought by steve bomber him and kevin johnson like worked on getting a group together right keeping it in sacramento it wasn't essentially

they saved the franchise they were going to seattle yeah yeah it wasn't It wasn't essentially. They saved the franchise. They were going to Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. If it wasn't for Vivek, they're gone. So to me, I'm like, I'm a kid. I grew up in Davis. We have nothing. Yeah. You can see downtown Sacramento, which is like four buildings from Davis because it's just fields. So I'm just like, thank you for keeping.

We have nothing. You got to understand like cities like Sacramento, it's like you have a mall and you have that and then you build culture around that so i was like thank you for keeping it here thank you for figuring out a way to put the arena in downtown and then the next day you trade boogie like i'm like shaking your hand i know i'm the only person i i definitely am the only brown person that's coming up to this like from sacramento right in the entertain blah blah world i just want to say thank you for helping the city and like all this stuff and then he's like yeah thank you so much and there was a look in his eye and i don't know if it was just like a hey i know who you are hey thank you so

much but he had to know because boogie didn't play in the all-star game he gave you like the michael corleone fredo yeah yeah like the kiss in the cheek right but there's like something's like i know something that you don't know i was like kid your your your life's about to change uh you know it actually in retrospect wasn't a bad trade it was just the timing i know that you argue this but it's one of those things where because look it's like there's the argument of just like yeah we've ran our course with buggy what what what do we have now i don't even like it's like so call us i don't even know what we have chicago is getting your pick unless it fell in the top 10 so part of the reason they traded boogie bill this is why i love you you do the balancing of the budget this is the stuff no one has time for and you're able

to do this this is my job yeah um the uh you trading boogie you cripple the team then you get to keep your pick so that was there was a strategical a strategic we haven't drafted well though jimmer well so so that's where the plan falls apart when the fact that you guys make terrible draft picks but on paper on paper now you have the fifth and the tenth pick do we pass on to jesus man yeah the jimmer picks tough i jimmer's tough for me because i'm i'm still like his last believer you believe in him too i know and we were all like jimmer jimmer idiots yeah god we're idiots white steph curry yeah jimmer like in the arena people like jimmer i'm like what are we doing the stuff you did uh what was it five years ago with lynn sanity it's huge you changed my life videos yeah it was like

i had to put it on wax i wasn't on the daily show at the time, but I'm just like, are you kidding me? The guy, what did you say your hierarchy was? It was like for basketball players. It was like black basketball players, white basketball players,

paraplegics, women. Yeah. Like, like just the WNBA, like, and then it was the Indian and the Asian Americans on the bottom. Like way down here,

like the bottom, bottom of the bottom. And to me, just the fact that like the dude you cheat off of in calc is crossing up John Wall and going game time in your face. I'm just like, eat it. Eat it.

Remember that game he had in Toronto where he has the ball up top. This is like the, I don't know, the second or third game. It was the buzzer beater, right? Yeah. Like someone, Amari or Mllows coming up he waves him off just the grapefruits of like get out of here yeah like get out of here the calc ta is about to take

the game winner and then he hits it and i'm just like he's on one like like and i i didn't live in new york at the time i was living in la but people told me who were living in new york it's like he revitalized the city oh 100, 100%. And just the. That was the moment when Mello was like, get this guy out of here. Yeah. I just got waved off by. No, but you know what was so great? Is he did what Bollywood does for male.

Like, it's so funny. In Hollywood, Indian males are emasculated. We're like the IT nerds. But in Bollywood, we have like eight packs. We're in the mountains. We're like lovers. It's just like we fuck people up like it's the best he did that to american culture is just like no like the asian

male is an alpha he was a fucking ninja out there man he gave it to kobe too he gave he dropped like 34 on the yeah that he was working and kobe's such a dick about it he was like at the all-star game was like i don't know who the fuck like jeremy lynn is and to me that's just wrong it's like who was a bigger headline than jeremy lynn yeah i refuse to believe that like he was that big in the muse cage that he didn't know who jeremy lynn was he was working and he was working on some some fucking algorithm in the muse cage whatever some purple puppet now he's probably ready to do a whole muse cage linsanity five years later thing yeah i mean what's what sucked is when you watch the linsanity documentary there's a thing where he's working with his trainer and this bugs me because i have this weird connection to him

because he's such a child of immigrants good kid like loves his brothers and siblings and like i really resonate with that story and um he's working with his trainer and his trainer's like you know he's shooting jumpers and then his trainer's like, you know, he's shooting jumpers. And then the trainer looks at the camera and is like, now we got to get Jeremy to believe what's happening right now. Like he's making his shots. He's in rhythm. Jeremy needs to own this now and get less in his head. And I think I love Jeremy Lin. He caught a wave.

And then I think just the rest, you know, the knee stuff. Got hurt a couple of times. Yeah. And just like you start to think just the rest, you know, the knee stuff. Yeah. And just like you start to think about the moment. There was no better time. And you know, this, the Rocky one moment for you as an artist or as an athlete is the best. Yeah.

All you got to do is go the distance. Yeah. You know? And then when expectation happens, I've seen this happen with comedians too. You're on your third or fourth special. You start to do certain movies. It's like that weighs down on you and you can't make the same swings you used to, you

know, but you got to remember that's, that's what got you there, you know? So Rocky one, I like this, you know, I love the Rocky movies. This is fascinating. But you know how like, remember in Rocky three, he's got the fucking pinball machine with him in it. And like Rocky two, he's at the hospital for long stretches of time with his wife that's when like you hit the rock bottom yeah yeah remember that that one scene in rocky which is like it's almost like an eight minute scene where uh mick comes up to his his walks

the stairs yeah and he goes let me let me manage you and he's like what about all those years you forgot about me yeah what about me you you like it here it stinks and he punched it stinks but that was jeremy fuck you you didn't draft me like fuck you harvard i had to go to harvard i was one of the best players at pally taro mori said he would have should have been like a top 15 pick and it was it was branding it's like look at this kid it's the way he looks i felt that way in hollywood too it's the way he can't be a leading man look at the way he looks and to me it was so cool to see him be like no i'm just gonna put up numbers and you're gonna have to deal with it and so uh it really was like a rocky one thing and oh fuck that that scene makes me cry and he runs down the stairs and then you hear the piano it's very well shot it's a beautiful scene.

Stallone also fought for that scene where he's lying in bed and Adrian's behind him. And he was just like, I just want to go the distance. I just want to prove to people that I'm just... If I could go the distance. Yeah, that was his Oscar speech scene. He was like, I'm one Oscar speech scene short. But you know what's crazy is, and you learn this on set, a lot of times you're over budget or you're working overtime

he had to fight he's like we gotta shoot this and they shot it in like a take they should have cut the scene when he basically sexually assaults Adrian on the first date

yeah that scene is not age well yeah the guys are like pinned against the door yeah and it's cut that scene

yeah maybe take that one out and keep the just show them the ice skating rink scene is really still really beautiful. Some good solid ice skating. Yeah, and it's just like, yeah.

So what's your prognosis for the Kings? What do you think, man? Because Vivek's... We got pick five and pick what? I think you're in pretty good shape. Five and ten. You're five and ten. You're going to get a point guard.

You're going to get somebody who's at least least gonna be a rotation guy with 10 buddy healed actually look good come on man buddy healed's not steph like everyone's like he's gonna be the next well that's nobody actually thinks that i think vivek said that i think vivek if you if you learn from your mistakes as an owner he's made a lot of mistakes to learn from yeah so that's that's a good thing yeah i don't know it me. You think it'll work out? I don't think he's like a James Dolan type. How often are we gonna get a boogie?

Boogie's one of the best centers in the league. Boogie never won 40 games for you, though. Yeah. I mean, at some point, it's gotta matter that he just seemed horrible

to play with. Who's gonna get us to win? Who's gonna also be a winner? Let me ask you this. Is it a bad sign that my team had a chance to make the finals if something weird happened in Cleveland? We had the assets to trade

for Boogie. We needed a low post center who could rebound. And I was happy that they didn't trade for him. Do you regret that decision now? No. I don't. You think history will show that Boogie kind of i don't know is it kind of a in a weird nutcase whatever position like he's just kind of like a rish

he's got that rashid wallace in him where he's just kind of his own head kind of screws up screws him up you do you have kids uh no but we want kids so i have a girl and a boy and boys reach a stage when they're like between three and four. Yeah. Where they could just lose it at any time. They're just like maniacs? He could be at the movie theater or whatever. They get mad, and they just have a lot of different things going on. And you're just kind of holding on, like, oh boy, here we go.

Yeah, yeah. That's kind of like what it's like to root for Boogie. Where he could have 40 points in a game with two minutes left. The wrong call goes the wrong way, and all of a sudden he's storming. I think he has ADHD. He has some sort of like – because he's such a good dude, and he's a very loyal guy. He did that like – That's the thing is he's a super loyal guy.

He was loyal to me. Now he's mad at me. Why? What did you guys do? Because I used to be his biggest defender, and then I didn't vote for him for All-NBA, and he got mad about it. He is an All-NBA talent. I can't vote for him for All-NBA, and he got mad about it. He is an All-NBA talent. I can't vote for anybody for All-NBA who can't win 41 games.

You've got to go 500. Why are you— You've just got to go 500. If you're going to be one of the best 15 players in the league— The Kings are garbage, dude. I know, but I made— I mean, I'm saying this from a place of love. I made an exception for Anthony Davis just because his stats are so ridiculous.

But Anthony Davis gets injured way more than Boogie. He's got a weird knee and fucking ankle issues and all that stuff. You should have voted for him, man. Because he's not going to get the love otherwise. This is a big kink? Yeah. He's not on your team anymore. But when he did his speech and he cried at Mountain Mike's Pizza,

I'm like, this is a good dude, man. That was pretty good. He's a good dude. Yeah. And then I saw him, again like and i've had weird interactions with nba players with like get away because i'm a big fan you know like get the fuck away from me had this weird interaction with vince carter the 2000 all-star game i walked up to him at the craps table with all my friends it's like me and three other indian dudes i grew up with

and he's like get the fuck away from me i'm trying to talk to a girl with a fat ass and i'm like i'm sorry and that's when i you never you ever realize you look at yourself in the mirror and you're like oh yeah i'm an adult and he wants to talk to yeah right an Instagram chick or something this is in 2000s though amazing my friendster girl but like my space yeah but like uh the times that I've ran into book even an all-star he was just like super cool and when you're like I'm from sack like shows a lot of love and like yeah he's a he's a big time player and like that means that to me that means that that does speak volumes make the playoffs once that's all i'm saying just make the playoffs once bill with anthony davis made it once who was

on the pelicans team that made the playoffs didn't they have uh yeah uh but yeah look like i'm tired of also we live in i live we you know i grew up in davis that was sacramento so people from the bay shit on us and i'm just like first of all becoming a warriors fan is the new lakers bandwagon team like because i don't want to hear it from anybody who's a warriors fan when steph curry was aka mr glass, nobody was wearing a Steph Curry Thunderbolt Warriors jersey. Then three years ago, he becomes a man possessed, shooting shots from half court, swishing. Everybody buys the Golden State Warriors bridge jerseys and they become the new team. I see every eight-year-old kid with Under Armour and it pisses me off because they became the new Lakers bandwagon team. I knew people in the Bay that had Kobe jerseys.

And the irony of it to me, the irony of this is Kobe's pop happens against the Warriors. And I always, I bust balls on one of my friends about this. I go, so when that game happened, pre-pop, pre the Achilles pop, who are you rooting for? KB24 or the Warriors? The reality is all those dudes that live in Fremont and San Jose and San Ramon were Mamba fans. And then the switch happens and they're like, oh, Dub Nation. To me, I'm a Kings fan through and through.

I have no other skin in the game. I don't give a fuck about all these other teams. I have no skin in the game. I'm here to watch. I'm just here to be entertained. I'm here for high fives and butt slaps. I have no skin in the game. I'm here to watch. I'm just here to be entertained. I'm here for high fives and butt slaps. I do not care about anything else. High fives and butt slaps. Yeah, I'm just here to watch a good show. I agree with you

and I disagree with you because I think that the Warriors had great fans but a lot of the people who are fans for them now were not fans for them five years ago. Correct. I was always shocked when I did my book tour. And let me put this on the record. Shoutouts to the core Filipino hardcore Dubs fans. I see you.

You guys have been crazy. I remember going to Oracle. I've seen you guys for years. You guys are real fans. But there's all these new Silicon Valley 2.0 wannabe fans that are the worst. When I was there, I remember I went to a game in 99 when C-Web came back. It was the first time I'd been to a Warriors game. It was 98 or 99. This gets me so mad i'm sorry i couldn't believe i get really i'm

sorry man i couldn't believe first of all how great the crowd was but also it was by far the most diverse nba crowd i've ever seen in my life they had like a ton of black fans yes um it was just it just felt different yes and now you go and it's just it's it's a worse version yeah it's pal alto yeah it really is all of this i went to game seven with my buddy josh and we're at game seven and it's it's at it was so great as a kings fan to watch this live yeah because that watch them lose yes yeah and i got to sit in the bottom section that whole bottom section was just all of caucasia it was all of pal alto silicon valley like yuppie dudes with boat shoes and then up top that's where i saw like the filipino community the black community like the real oakland fans that are like hey we've been we've been behind the warriors for

years um and that's what bothers me about the narrative is that it's become this new, like Silicon Valley, LA Laker type team, you know? And, and, uh, and you know, now that Steph isn't playing so good or he's playing human, I see way less Wardell 30 jerseys out there. There's way less Curry jerseys being worn. And that bothers me. You should be Wardell. Yeah.

That's what this is handled. I call him Wardell. Yeah. It's like, no, you should be ride or die that's what this is handled i call him wardell yeah it's like no you should be ride or die people were just losing their mind they've just forgave the kaiser permanente commercials and the brittle water filter commercial he's the truth he's the greatest thing ever and then now he's playing kind of human and you're just like all right he's all right i think they'll all be back this year oh because they're gonna go to the final yeah they're gonna win the finals oh you think they're gonna be cle the finals. Oh, you think they're going to beat Cleveland? I do. I do.

Cleveland's defense isn't good enough. It would have to be LeBron's all-time superhuman effort. Last year was all-time superhuman. The Celtics have wide-open shots. I was talking about that before. I mean, if they're missing wide-open shots for 48 minutes, we have to go, not because we're out of time, but because it's too freaking hot in here because we turned the air conditioning off. Oh, we got to roll?

The listeners. Yeah, that's it. How long were conditioning off. Oh, we got to roll? The listeners. Yeah, that's it. How long will we- I wish you got to tape some video stuff. How long are we talking? Yeah, that's like 45 minutes. Really? Yeah.

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