The Bill Simmons Podcast - Cincy Fails Burrow, the Boring Eagles, Guess the Lines, and Crawford’s Brilliance With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal react to Week 2 of the NFL season before getting into some “depressed fan base” rankings and playing a game of “I give up” (2:58). Then, they guess the lines for Week 3, discuss the Canelo vs. Crawford fight, and finally close with Parent Corner (01:09:06). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Steve Ceruti This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. Don’t settle for just any insurance when there’s State Farm. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, live here on a Sunday night Here with Cousin Sal, won the Emmy tonight for the pit. You're in that show, right? You're not in the pit? I didn't win for the pit, but I did bet on the pit. So that was a nice little payout. Definitely better than Pitt, the team pit today. So, yeah, I always bet on the Emmys if you can.

It makes it such a better show. People love the pit. The only person I was happier for the Noah Wiley was Julia Lidman, who was Noah Wiley's number one fan, never gave up on him. Nice. Through the years, through all the made-for-cable movies and terrible straight-to-video movies he was in, never gave up. Do you know, I'm going to sidetrack here. You know our friend Fat Jake Lenz, who wrote on the show the first few years, right?

Jimmy Kim Alive. He is a consultant on the pit. Is he really? Yeah, he's one of the doctors. He left writing to become a doctor. Very, you know, it's a common career path. And he's now a consultant. He's like a full-time consultant on that.

So he's a consultant on the pit, and he's the therapist for our friend Brad Mulcahy. Yeah, he does that. There's two jobs. I think he's in the Navy, too, or something. He does a lot, yeah. Well, speaking in therapy, J.J. McCarthy might need one after tonight. We'll do Falcons Vikings quick because it was pretty boring.

But the Falcons look good. The Vikings always scored six points. J.J., so House and I took the Falcons in 107, and part of the reason was JJ had a kid on Thursday. Monday night, come back win. Kid on Thursday. Thrown into the fire Sunday night just seemed like a lot. But what were you the most impressed or unimpressed by tonight?

Well, it upsets me now to know that J.J. McCarthy hates his kid. Right? That's the only, what can we take from that otherwise? Now, I'm mad. You and House played it perfectly. I took Atlanta and the over and they put the over on a teaser. Is there anything worse than like, you got all these points that you don't need and then you take the over? But I think that's going to happen. I'm going to look at MVP odds. I don't think McCarthy jumped up any. You think you popped down? No, it's still Alan Jackson in love. I'm on the East Coast right now. I can do a live bet on Fanduil tonight if you want me to. Oh, let's get it in. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 40. Gambling is legal. God bless you.

I tied 47 different football bets to Terrence Crawford last night. It was really exciting. And sadly, only half of the one. That's what happens. I don't know. It's, yeah, Atlanta's better. Maybe the NFC South in general is better than we give it credit for a little bit, maybe. I don't know.

And then, yeah. Could the. So the Falcons should have won last week against Tampa, we both thought, right? Probably, yeah. They did not. They won convincingly today. And I was going to ask you, the seven NFC playoff teams, if you just pencil in Green Bay and Philly right now, maybe Detroit, Tampa Rams, we got two spots left. And we had the Atlanta, Seattle, Washington, Minnesota group.

Okay. Which two would you like? Because I actually liked the way Atlanta played in those two games. more than Seattle, Washington, or Minnesota. I don't know what it means. It's going to be a long season. But I didn't think they were going to be in that conversation before the season, but now I do.

Yeah. Well, I didn't like Washington going in, right? I did like Arizona, but let's just laugh about that and put it to the side for a second. But I can't wait for that. Out of those teams, probably Atlanta and Seattle, I would say. I think Seattle could probably hang with a lot of these teams, right? That's what I had.

And I think, so when we were trying to sketched out before, well, I'll wait until we do the I give up. We have a section later called I give up. But there was a team I had in the Detroit spot that I do not think is going to get there. Falcon's defense today, six sacks, two picks, three fumbles force, recovered one of them. Zero TDs allowed. And some playmakers, a slate, Kyle Pitts revival tonight, Slate, like Collinsworth even got sucked in. And it was like watching somebody date the girl that you don't, all your friends, like, yeah, you got to stay away.

And Collins were like, oh, the Kyle Pitts, maybe he's putting together and say, no, Chris, no, don't fall for it. But he was pretty good today. And the Falcons, they have some weapons, man. I have to be honest, I had the Emmy audio on and I had the game underneath it. So I didn't hear Chris, I'm guessing it was all Mike. J.J. McCarthy just doesn't have it a night. But did you see that dress Sidney's wearing as a presenter? I may need some time to myself.

Let's go to commercial. So he didn't. He talked a lot about bottle feeding versus breastfeeding. Oh, did he? And yeah, you missed it. Yeah, it was all in the audio. It's going to be a big controversy. Listen, I don't love when, you know, guys take six months off for paternity.

But maybe you get two days. Maybe your emotions are all over the place. Yeah, maybe. It's okay. We'll get you. I mean, the backup could have lost 27-6, whatever it was. After your first child, and we did nothing, by the way. We're just in the room.

Yeah. I remember you've been going to visit you actually for, I think, your second child. And we're just like, we're useless. I did a podcast with you while my wife was. in labor. And I came back like 12 minutes before she started pushing. It was almost a disaster for me. We're there to be like, does anyone need a soda? Yeah, right, right, right. How you feeling, honey? Yeah. Are you okay? Like, we're in, and meanwhile, we're like working the TV. We're doing nothing. That's it. But with that said, I was still felt frazzled for a couple days. It's a, you know,

pretty gigantic life experience. It's weird to think like you would then just go right onto a football field wherever was trying to kill you. Yeah, emailing all the relatives. It's exhausting. Yeah, of course. Now you have group texts. Back then, you could... Right. It was a little different. All right. I'm done with the Falcons Vikings.

Let's get to the biggest story of the weekend. Joe Burrow got hurt. Yeah. Turf toe. I was watching when it happened. I thought it was like his knee or as Achilles. It was the rarely seen quarterback turf toe injury. And it seems bad.

And it's going to be a big story tomorrow, like what the diagnosis is. Was this a bigger national... a football league injury for you or fantasy football injury? Well, I don't have them. If you had to pick one or the other. If I don't have them, it's an NFL, right? That's an easy question. But just for ramifications, because it's not like the Bengals were going to do anything

dramatic this year. Right, right, right. Yeah, no, I still think it's NFL. I still think it's NFL. Because, you know, fantasy you could get, well, you can get a lot of guys to replace borrow and get the three points, four points less a week, whatever. But, yeah, when they brought him off, I was like, oh, my God. It looks like he got his both knees shut off in Vietnam or something.

What the hell is going on here? And then to find out it's turf toe. And I was like, what? Turf toe. He'll be back in the fourth quarter because I didn't really rule him out until like the beginning of the fourth quarter. And then it's like, no, he's got torn ligaments in this from the turf toe. And so now tomorrow he finds out if he wants to or has to have surgery and that would spell the end. I didn't get full details.

Was that it? It sounded like it's three months. Yeah. If he does the surgery, which basically. who takes you to mid-December. The good news is eight and nine might be the seven-seated and the AFC the way we're going. So could hang around.

And they do have a backup. I know he had three picks today. But Jake Browning, we've been here with him a few times. And he can make throws and he can get it to those guys. And he's feast or famine. And you never can feel comfortable whether you're up 10 or down 10 when he's in the game.

But I think he's better than most backups. I think they can still put up stats with Chase and Higgins. Well, he's good. I mean, yeah, he was good today. That was a miraculous win and cover, right? They were laying three and a half. So to get it on the goal line and put it home, his problem is going to be, I have to see now,

their next four games I saw. So even if he doesn't get the surgery, he's probably out a few weeks, at the Vikings. All of a sudden, not his bed. At the Broncos. Oh, all right. Wait a minute. Earlier this look versus the Lions at the Packers

and home against the Steelers. I don't know. I'd heard this morning this looked pretty daunting, but that's their five games. Well, and they somehow ended up winning coming back from Jacksonville. So I wrote down this before he got hurt because I had that game in the multi-view.

I'm back on the East Coast, had to pick the four games, had the iPad with four games on much smaller screens, but it was, Sincere Jacksonville was one of the four because I had money on it, I had Jacksonville and the over. I had fantasy guys on both teams, and I just thought it would be a really fun game.

And I wrote down, like 40 minutes in, that Burrow was just getting crushed. Like, did you watch it? Every time he went back to pass, there were five guys back there. They weren't even coming close. And this is Jacksonville. It wasn't like they were playing the, you know, 1991 Eagles. And he was under siege, and I have him in our guillotine league.

And I was watching it going, I wish I didn't have him. Like, I just, I'm really getting nervous the hits he's taking. And then, of course, he gets hurt like 20 minutes. Now I don't, do not have him. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, they never fix that, right? For him, like, hey, why can't we just ever see him be great? Can we see Joe Burrow?

We put him in the top four. We think he could be interchangeable in the top three. Will we ever get to see him be great because he's given a decent offensive line or two guys who can block? It just seems from year to year. It's the same shit. Yeah, it's not even, I mean, he would probably take decent. This is, it's like awful every year.

I wrote down. I was writing down a really dumb analogies. It's like being the biggest cocaine distributor in Colombia, but not having any security guards for the cocaine. Oh, good. Okay. Thank you. It's like buying a million-dollar Mayback and just parking outside your house

and the doors open and the keys in it. Like, what's the point of paying Joe Burrow $50 million and then not giving him an offensive line? It's so fucking stupid. What are you guys doing? Do you want to Linus Morrisette to record this for you? I don't know what she would call it. What could she call it?

Isn't this coincidence? Isn't this, I don't know, it's something. It's like winning the Emmy, but your whole staff has fired in a few months. I thought you were to say, it's like being nominated for an Emmy, but campaigning for somebody else in the category. Poor Colbert. All right. There you go.

Let's get Alanis on the case. Who is the 7th AFC playoff team if it's not the Bengals? Because I'll give you some choices. Yeah. Buffalo and Baltimore, I think we can. pencil in. We could pencil in an AFC South team.

Could you pencil in everyone in the AFC West, all four teams? Would you put the Pats in there? Could you say two AFC South teams? Could we get Houston and Indianapolis? It's two and O?

I don't know. I thought, you had the seven seat as nine and eight, right? I think we both did before the season. I had the Pats going nine and eight, which is maybe even conceivable. And I had Vegas going nine and eight. I had two nine and eights getting the six and seven

seats that's going to be a scramble now like where we thought like maybe three teams are competing for that seven seed maybe there's six teams competing and you know i know everybody wants to say the chiefs suck but would you say the chiefs are better than new england right now it's probably close well the chiefs and we'll we'll hit them later but yeah i want to see what they look like in week 14 when they get their guns back right you know they just have no explosive plays right know. I guess the question for me, and we're going to find out tomorrow night, what are we getting from Houston this season? Because all of us wanted to pick anyone else in that division and all of us kicked the tires on Tennessee. We tried that. I couldn't get there. We tried

Indianapolis. They had that QB thing and it was Daniel Dimes or Richardson. I couldn't get there. And then Jacksonville, I just fundamentally can't get there. You got there. Yeah, I want to get somewhere else now, but I got there. Yeah. You got there and now you're going to relocate. Now you're calling for help. But, and maybe it's Indy, but I think Houston tomorrow night, there's two games tomorrow night, and Houston is the team out of the four playing that,

like the Chargers, I think, are at least going to be pretty good, whether they're as good as they looked in week one, we'll see. The Raiders are going to be able to throw the ball. They'll be a 500 team and a little bit dangerous game to game. Yeah. Houston either,

their defense might be really good and they can throw the ball, or they just might not be good this year, and I feel like we're going to know tomorrow. tomorrow and then probably next Sunday they go to Jacksonville on Sunday so in the next it's seven eight days whatever that is

Sunday to Sunday seven days I think we'll know for sure well what do you think of Jacksonville because Lawrence I was trying to think of a quarterback who's more terrifying inside the other team's 10 yard line for his own team

where you just feel like like anything's possible strip sack yeah pick tip pick hospital ball perfect throw into the corner

a great scramble where he's stiff arms somebody there's like 15 plays but it's probably going to be disappointing for Jacksonville is how it's going to end

and they had two of those today he threw a pick inside the 10 and then that last that fourth and five they're up three that it's like under four minutes the book said to

I guess go for it I would have kicked the field goal and made Jake Browning who already had three picks, go the length of the field to try to beat me. Maybe I'm nuts. I've watched a lot of football in my life.

Maybe he had the backup QB with three picks, have to go the full field. And he had just thrown forward. Didn't get it. He had just thrown an interception. Like they could have put the game away. I actually took my eye off the screen. I was like, wait a minute.

How does Cincinnati still have, how'd they get the ball back? But I love to blame Trevor Lawrence. I believe me, he's been a disappointment for what I thought he would be coming in. But they dropped some, they dropped touchdown passes today on him, too. They did.

That whole team just might be, you know, from the owner up or down. They just might be incompetent. I'll use that word. There's a Brian Thomas Jr. Controversy, which I'm following because he's on a couple of my fantasy teams. There was an alligator arms play over the middle. Yep. He dropped the last play of the game.

There was another one. And on social media, I went to the Jaguars Reddit page to read what they were saying, and they weren't happy with him. right the coach was asked about him this is how i found out about it somebody put the clip they asked liam cohen about what did you think about the effort on thomas and he's like uh i i guess i'll have to look at it later uh i don't really know yet like didn't defend him at all really it was just weird um so laurence throw him a hospital ball in the preseason i really like btj so i just happened for whatever reason i happen to be watching

um either it was a replay or something but he it was he was a replay or something but he it was And the reason that stuck out it was like, it's their best guy and it's a preseason game, right? And then in the game today, I just didn't think he was impactful. This is a guy going for 40 plus and fantasy, right? Yeah, I had, I loved him today.

I bet him to get to score a touchdown. I scored 10 touchdowns last year, right? He was definitely a difference maker, you know, like sniffed around at the offensive rookie of the year last year. To me, it's like Travis Hunter, what are they going to do? I mean, you pointed out last week, Did he have nine offensive snaps? Was that it?

Was that all he had? He couldn't have had a ton more this week. He only had the big PI today, which I didn't think was a PI. Right. Did you? No, I didn't. I just, I don't know if he's going to be a force offensively. And if he isn't, that doesn't change the trajectory of this team from last year.

No, and I think when we were doing the pods before the season, we were like, this is one of the great X factors. Yeah. You have multi-view and Travis Hunter's on the screen and get to see. and he just hasn't really jumped out the first two weeks which is fine he's a rookie but they traded a bunch of shit for him including their first round pick next year you know and I don't

I hated the trade when it happened I thought they gave up too much and you're giving up what they gave up it either has to be for Abdul Carter or it has to be for you know a potential franchise QB I don't think there's I just don't think a two-way guy when we haven't seen it for 35 years

I don't know just didn't like it. I think Otani Ruined everything for all the sports. Everybody's looking for the next Otani. You're right.

It's probably not Travis Hunter. Wait, I had one more thing from that. Jake Browning, is there, who's your number one backup QB right now? Coming in cold in the league

right now that you feel pretty good about? Is there Anybody that tops Jake Browning? Is Jake Browning in the ceiling? Let me see. I mean, he's pretty damn close to the ceiling. Just going through your head. Is there anyone?

No, Giants, Cowboy, no. I would have loved to have said Cowboys. Lions. Jimmy G. Jimmy G. Yeah, Jimmy Gish, maybe. His ceiling might be. No Trey Lance.

I'm just looking at these guys. It's not, I'm telling you, man. There's not a lot of good backup. Cousins. I was thinking about, like, cousins. Cousins. How many teams he would make. better at this point.

But, yeah, because we know what he can do. But we also saw him, speaking of alligator arms, throwing a 14-mile-an-hour spirals. Yeah, not great. Well, tough times for the Bengals. And I think it's time to do the depressed fan-based rankings. Oh. So I think Bears are number one, and we're going to go into it. Panthers 2, Jaguars 3, Jets, 4.

if I gave you that list, would you disagree with that order? Bears, Panthers, Jaguars, Jets. I guess you're saying the Browns are in a class of their own? Can they be depressed anymore? Like, can the Browns fans feel anything? Are they just dead inside?

Yeah, they have no expectations for this year. Can you be depressed when you expect to go two for 15, two and 15? I don't know. Yeah, they're just zombies at this point. I think you're right. They probably should just take all the seats out of the stadium

zombie fans roam however they want throughout. The Browns fans are zombies. That's all. Yeah. They're like the two people at the end of sinners, just kind of wandering the earth at night, just trying to listen to jazz music and not see the sun. I think bears are won because they were real expectations this year. They had this number one pick in the draft

where they get the supposed franchise guy, and he's just been awful. And there's already been long pieces about how prepared he was during the season that Big Peace Tyler Dunn wrote two weekends ago. And he looks about as flustered as any QB we're watching. I'll give you bears one. The Vikings are just for a different reason. I think you've got to get them in the conversation because there's so much difference

between what kind of team you're getting year to year. You get the 13 win team. Then you get the rookie quarterback coming back from injury. I'm not bringing in the history though. I'm saying right now, people have fan bases that went into this season. Oh, this season. And either. Yeah.

Yeah. either like they had their hopes up or they were optimistic for some reason I would say right now bears and Panthers. I mean the Panthers are a little different than the Browns because deep down they were hoping maybe it would be a little bit better and it's not. It's

really bad. You're right though. I might be underrated in the Browns. Yeah, well we can go by over under wins in terms of expectation and I think the bears had the highest what were they? Seven and a half, eight and a half? What were they? Eight and a half, right? So I think it's a bear's probably going away actually if you go by that. Where are the

dolphins on this list for you. Oh, man. I guess they're close too. They have to be tough. Actually, they should probably be higher because they were booing in the first quarter. Yeah. Like they had a pick or they missed the third down or something. And it was like they were loudly booing. It's 95 degrees at like one o'clock on a Sunday in mid-September and they're fucking furious. They should. Their fans are like, hey, we got so many better things to do. We're in fucking Miami. We can be at the beach. Did you feel like that much? That was a weird game. It like had lot of ups and down. I felt at some point,

I think it was late third quarter, that the dolphins actually took control of it. Then your boy jumped in there. Good for you. I got to watch you with my dad. Nice. We were pretty disconsolate down the stretch there because if the Pats lose that game,

the season's over. Yeah. They're 0.2. That's a team that you have, if you come out of the gate and you lose to the Raiders and the dolphins, you're done. But the real problem is they played really well

in the first half. Kicker missed two PATs. They drove, every time they had the ball, they had these nice drives. May I thought it was terrific for him. And they just, and you just look up and you're like,

we're up by a point, what's going on. And then two, it seemed like he was gaining confidence as the game was going along. We lost another cornerback. So we were down on D-backs. Right.

And our linebackers in space against these fast dolphins dudes. Like, I like Spalane, but Spalane got caught with A-Chane a couple times. And it was like a nightmare. So it just felt like Miami was going to win.

Then they get that kick return or the punt return. And it was like, you had to be fucking kidding me. We lost this team. Like their fans were booing for an hour and a half. And then Gibson returns the kick. And then the Pats almost fuck the game up again. But Tua just, he just doesn't have it. He's just not good enough.

I've been saying this for three years, but he's just not good enough. Well, he's a tough watch, right? Obviously, we have Dolphins, fans, friends, Jay J just lives and dies by it. I'm not ready to blame him completely this year. I don't like his style. I feel like he has to get that interception at the end is basically because I can't get hit.

I can maybe throw a better ball if I took another quarter or second, but I can't afford that. So I'm going to let this go right now. I got to dump this. Yeah, but their defense is really bad at times. Really, really bad. Like his numbers, he was 26 for 32, 315, two touchdowns, right? And that interception.

So there's other places to place to blame. But, yeah, I just... Well, he had three interceptions. Oh, he had three. That's right. He had three incompletions and three interceptions. Right. That's true.

Yeah. That's what it was. It's 26 for 32. Yeah. But I mean, you know, their longest play, he threw a moon ball to Hill. He underthrew him by 12 yards. Right. And our Dback overran it.

And Hill ended up getting it. It felt like Hill was open constantly. He overthrew Hill in the fourth quarter. And that was the play that went around on social media where Hill was just like, he had to be, he was open by 10 yards. Right. But I thought that. the Pats, May made the best play of his career when they really needed it. Big pass rush on a third down.

Miami had all the momentum and he hit Ramandra in that like delayed wheel route and just put it perfectly in stride. Yeah. And it was just like that's, that's why the Drake May believers, like I had multiple people like Nate Tice texted me like, that's it, that may, he's here. I just thought he was really good today. I love. And in the left side of the line.

According to the grades, Will Campbell and Wilson, the other rookie, were excellent. So there's signs of life with this team. I think, you know, when they get Gonzalez back, if he's ever coming back and they're able to cover a little more. The D-Line was good. They shut down the Miami run. And I don't know. They might be able to cheat their way to eight, nine, nine, and eight, not cheating

in the Belichick way. This is exciting for me. They'll probably get around to doing that too. But this is perfect. Like Drake May trades off week to week. being great and horrific, it keeps the podcast fresh. You're not talking about Sacramento and Kings making the playoffs. You know I've never wavered.

Well, last week you said you were depressed. I didn't think he was that good last week. Well, he wasn't, but you like we had Ted Williams and we had this and we had. He wasn't good last week. Yeah, all right. That's what I mean. It was good this week, though. So it would be great.

He was good. And I thought it was nice to have the McDaniels. Somebody texted me out how it was like putting on a nice old jacket, the dopey McDaniels offense with like these. little screens on third down and, you know, these little quickouts and all the little dopey stuff that he does. I thought, here's the thing. It was an incredibly entertaining game.

And at the very least, they're entertaining this year. And by the way, the Jaguars are too. There's a couple teams that, like, they're not that good, but at least they're going to be fun to watch. I think the Jaguars are fun to watch. Dolphins, we blew this last week. We were talking about nicknames for Mike McDaniel. Yeah.

There's some good ones. Yeah. Well, we forgot. We, Lombardi nicknamed in the DJ last year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. DJ Mikey Mack. That was the nickname. Yeah.

He's spinning his head. Yeah. Well, he could have a couple of nicknames. I mean, Shaq has like six. Yeah, that is true. Yeah. We got around them. So the dolphins are 0 and 2.

And they play Buffalo on Thursday night. That Buffalo, yeah. Monster. And 0. And 0.3 is a death sentence. You're not making the playoffs after 0. And 3. That's our first cross off.

Maybe we have a special podcast Friday, morning to commemorate it. Big ceremony. I was going to do this later. I'm ready to do it now, though. Oh, really? Because I thought, well, so you think Miami? Because I think Carolina has to be in there, too.

Mm-hmm. I would say Carolina and Miami are the two cross-off leaders. Like, even the Saints, I think, have been relatively frisky, both games. Like, they easily could have stolen either overtime or maybe even a win, even though they're not that good. But Carolina... They're the same team. Like, they'll screw up your cover.

And that's kind of it. And then, you know, count on three to five wins otherwise. I would not cross off Miami yet just because of the nine and eight east. I would cross off Carolina. I think they're really bad. Arizona, that was classic. Arizona has... Everybody and their brother has them in an Eliminator or Moneyline parlay or T's or whatever.

They go 273. and all of a sudden it's 2715. I didn't even know it was happening. All of a sudden, Carolina had the ball, and it was 2715. We put it back on the multi-view. And there, you know, my dad is still trying to figure out this whole multi-view universe. He's like, what happened? We had that game.

I was like, well, I took it off. It's kind of elder abuse, but we put our parents through when we start doing four boxes and switching shit on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing he asked for was to put the audio on the Pats game because that helped him concentrate that. Fair. I can easily do that for you. I'll tell you what happened. Fourth and 16 happened. Frickin Bryce Young came back from the dead and converted fourth and 16. And then they score just with nonsense. And then they get the onside kick. And I'm like, oh, good. I'm like, you know what? Good. Now that they didn't cover

because we had them in Ringer 107, me and the bundle, I was like, I hope Arizona loses. And then I look at my losing ledger of bets. I'm like, shit, I have Arizona money line. I'm like four things here. And then they get the onside kick. And it was a miserable, miserable drive after that onside kick, really bad for Carolina. I like McMillan. He's jumped out to me in the first two weeks. I wasn't sure about that pick.

It seemed pretty high for him. And those big receivers, you never know. But he's been a couple times a day where he's jumped off the TV with some plays. So that team needs a lot of work. Let's take a break for the podcast. We'll keep going on the YouTube.

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I told you to write down some things that you've just giving up on after two weeks. They could be a future bet. They can be a team. They could be a player. This is fun. They can be anything. So what was the first thing after two weeks you've given up on? I've given up on trying to enjoy Chiefs games.

They're not fun to watch. Unless you're enamored with the Taylor cutaways, they're just way more exciting teams to watch, move the ball, including mine. including yours. I don't care how many wins we end up with. I think it's time to give them 1 p.m. kickoff slots, you know? Take away the full dose of primetime games that they have. They have like six.

That's the most you could have. It takes them 11 minutes to score. And, you know, when it's a dozen play drive, some dumb shit happens like Kelsey did, like hits off his hand and the interception the other way at the goal line. I mean, I was looking at this. Three years ago, they averaged 29 points per game. And the five years before that, that they were anywhere from 29 to 35, right?

Since the three years, it's 21, 21, and 21 to half. That's gigantic movement. Like, I'm not saying that's all Tyree Kill. I don't know what it is, but we could pick any team that scores 21 points. Mahomes is just good enough to figure out how to win these games. So I just don't, I'm done with it. I don't think I need to see them every time. Give them the 10 a.m. slot on the West Coast.

They don't need to be one of three games and the featured game on a Sunday afternoon. Chiefs fatigue sounds like. Now, I remember when the Patriots, when my team was taking all the shit that they took in the 2010s and everybody got really tired of them, the Chiefs have been way more in your face than the Patriots ever were.

With the tail, like Kelsey coming in today with a suit with the shorts on and all the wedding stuff and Mahomes and they have this giant documentary series about them and meanwhile, they're still playing. Andy Reid, all this stuff. Like, I don't,

the Pats, you know, we're winning and maybe some people felt like we're cheating, but they were never like just bombastically in your face like this. I'm more tired of them from that standpoint. The other thing is their point,

they still scored. I'm a defensive guy too, but the Patriots put up points. Like you don't go an hour without seeing them score. When Randy Moss left the team, it wasn't like you went down from 35 to 25 points, right? Brady was still there. It was enjoyable to watch.

I just can't watch these chiefs try to move the ball. up and down the field. Well, congratulations. That was a great way to start the game. I had them fourth in this exercise. Okay. My number one team, very similar to your case, is the Philadelphia Eagles. I just don't enjoy watching them play.

And it's a lot of the same stuff you said. I don't even think their fans enjoy them playing, like Shield Capadia, our friend who works at the ringer. Yeah. He even thinks now, like, they're just trying to troll everybody by being intention. entertaining. He had a tweet about that today. I fucking can't stand watching them. That game was like watching paint try. I wanted to take it off the multi-view. Yeah. But there were only three games. There was nothing, nothing to replace it. It would have to do WMBA playoffs or something. Your father's like,

find more games. What are you doing? Like they threw deep to Devontas Smith once and it was like, oh, something happened. Yeah, right. Otherwise, it's just like these swing passes to Barclay, these boring runs up the middle every fourth and one fourth and two now I'm watching Australian rugby for a play and I just don't enjoy it at all and I like a lot of the players in their team

I don't like watching them play football these are two games in a row that I fucking snooze fest I'm on my phone the whole time as a football game's happening every team in that division is more entertaining than them I'm going to give a 2A to your 1B and I give up trying to convince

people the tush push sucks you know, more specifically. It's not a football play. As you mentioned, rugby, it's fat guys shoving a world-class athlete forward. Now it's worse than ever because everyone is so off-sides, the refs have no idea what to do. What happened with that? We had the, the Broncos lost a game because of some ambiguous leverage rule on a field goal kick.

I still don't even know what happened. And meanwhile, the Chiefs, every time four guys are jumping forward before the ball snap. Yeah, the Eagles, right, yes. the refs have no idea and the guys on both sides are jumping it's like well eight guys moved early ah fuck it we'll let it go but and it's a bummer they can't see there's 20 guys huddled together i didn't even know it's happening it's humanity you can't see the ball at all and they're it's idiotic my team's division rivals so i'm i'm extra worked up about it but you know it would be worse if the if then just the eagles being good at this if everybody was good at

the tush push think about how unwatchable football would be if only first and second down mattered and the big guys on offense can push everybody around on defense on third and three and fourth and one. That would just go back to this not be at one point it was banned let's ban it again. Why do we have to wait

for someone to get injured? Who cares about that part of it? It's important but let's just get rid of it. It's the only way it's going to be in is when so stupid. There's going to be some absolutely horrible injury and it's then what then it will be in. I was trying to think of like another type of play that would be technically a football play, but would be as ludicrous to watch

because it has no correlation with anything else we watch during the course of 10 hours. And I decided it was on a field goal kick, if on the defense, guys were allowed to climb on each other's shoulders, almost like college kids trying to climb over a fence. And you just had three guys climbed on shoulders. And one guy had his hands up. And then they kept blocking kicks. and we were just like, what is this? This is, and now you had like the offensive line trying to knock the three guys standing on top of each other over.

Yeah. And somebody gets hurt. Like, that's kind of what the tush push is. It's just not, yeah. It's not football. It's fucking stupid. It doesn't look like it. Yeah, I think I came up on an idea where imagine Christian McCaffrey

sits on like two linemen's shoulders, right? And they carry him like playing chicken. And at the last second, he lunges over the goal line, right? From just like six feet up. Like with that, is that a play? Is that a football play? Or if, yeah, McCaffrey, he had two linemen, and they flung him like a slingshot once he had the ball.

Yes. And they just flung him over the line. That's it. Like he was like a boomerang. Yeah. Yeah. Technically, you could do that. I'm telling you, if everybody got good at this,

it would really ruin all football doing. Well, explain to me this. Explain to me this, people who run football. So leverage, which the Broncos game. Now, if the Broncos' game, now if the Broncos game was fixed today, I apologize because it had all the elements, I don't think it was, but if it was,

I apologize for what I'm about to say. This leverage play set the scene. The Colts try a field goal, they miss it. Colts try a 60-yard field goal. It's 10 yards short and it's wide rate. It's like it basically lands on the goal line. And the Broncos win.

And then they're like, no, no, no, there was a leverage play. This is after the Broncos, they've thrown a pick inside inside Colts territory and the 10 minutes left when it seems like they're going to put the game away. Then Dobbins runs all the way down to the 20 with under four minutes left. Gets up and spikes the ball like a jerk,

delay a game. Next play, penalty, face mask on the tight end. Now we're out suddenly at the 40 yard line. Of course, Lutz has to hit the goalpost. Right. Right. So then we come down the other way and it all leads to the Colts with this fucking leverage play

after the Broncos stop them. Yeah. And so here's my question. Leverage. This is apparently unsafe for the center because one guy leaned him down so the other guy could jump behind him. Yeah. What's the tush push? But it's safe to have a running back and shove from behind by his teammates.

That's not leverage. Yeah. So leverage is good or bad? What is it? What are we doing in NFL? Leverage is good. It's good in almost everything, right? You want leverage in contract negotiations.

You want leverage in relationships. You want leverage in almost any situation. If you're looking for a raise, whatever, they need to call it something different. Call it like a cheat jumping or something. But whatever you call it, the guy didn't do it. He didn't, it didn't happen. Do you think they could protest that and just be like,

we lost and this was the wrong call with this? Those things don't usually hold up. And, you know, we can get into like how Stuyken, like really ruined that. By the way, he's the favorite for coach of the year right now because they're 2 and 0. but he didn't do him any favors kicking at 60-yard field goal unless he knew the leverage was coming, like you said. That could not have missed more dramatically.

Awful. Well, that was my next I give up. I give up with NFL officiating. We had multiple games today determined by it. There were flags everywhere. The Cardinals Panthers game, as the Panthers were driving, it was just flag, flag, flag, flag. The Giants had like 14 penalties.

today that the Patriots had, I think, 12 and still won. It's just where we've gone penalty crazy. I'm not really sure why, but I give up, even getting mad about it. Isn't it like that at the beginning of the year until guys to figure out how not to hold and everything? The worst ones were the leverage play and the Hunter pass interference actually swung games. Yeah, the leverage one is something you don't really see a lot. And they didn't need to call it on a 60-yard miss field goal.

What do you have for your next? What do I have? You know, I give up trying to figure out if Justin Field is good. I thought I had a good grasp going into this year. You know, he was like, you'll read it all the stats. 35th and expected yards. 32nd in Red Zone.

39th, 3015th in this. And it's like, oh, wait, he's on the Jets. All right. He teamed up with his former wide receiver hookup from Ohio State Garrett Wilson. They scored 32 points versus what we thought was like a vaunted, you know, Pittsburgh defense. And then a big fat Nata versus the bills who allowed 40. Sunday night.

So he has a concussion. I hope he's okay. But I am done judging Justin. Can't figure it out. Their offense was awful. And I actually thought they did a pretty good job for about a quarter against Allen. Then there was this weird moment in the game

when he got hit and it looked like he got a concussion or something. He ran off and he took his helmet off. Yeah. And if you had Jets money like me, I didn't already give it up the game. You're like, all right, Trebisky's coming in.

I guess I have to leave it on the multi-view now. But it turned out he just had like a bloody dose And then he came in and just completely crushed Right And I continue to think he's the best player in the week Oh really? I do I continue to think he's the best quarterback

Oh okay I thought you're talking about Justin Fields I'm like oh I may have to change my thing here If you think No Josh Allen But I mentioned all of this because today First of all how soon I took the Jets plus six and a half I put a little money in the Jets as well And maybe you need

This is where you need like a betting conciliary or just need, you know, Fandole will shoot those ads. Like, you've been on the site for 52 minutes. Reality check or something? Yeah, maybe there should be an AI person that comes in and be like, we just wanted to remind you that you're betting on Justin Fields against Josh Allen. And be like, oh, shit, I am. Why am I doing that?

I love it. I love it. Like, that should be the AI, what the fuck are you doing guy from Fandall? So you have to set it up. You have to set it up ahead of time. Like slap me in the face if I bet on Justin Fields. Slap me in the face if I could cash out on this. this bed at 15 to 1, and I'm instead waiting to see if this 48-yard field goal goes in.

It's like, don't be stupid. Yeah, your computer or your iPad just starts vibrating. Yeah, it's a reminder. It's got to be worse than vibrating. I think you've got to, yeah. I needed it today. Because if anybody had said that to me, I would have been like, you're right. What am I doing?

This is insane. This is like, oh, I'm taking the jets because the bills are banged up and their secondary. The jets can't throw the ball. Yeah. What is this? Well, here it is. We can't go on and on.

every week about how Josh Allen is number one. He's my MVP and this and that. And then just better, we just, as long as like the weather is okay and everything, they're going to score, I know they only scored 30. They could have scored 45, 47 that game. They kind of took their foot off the gas. That's just where they are. So if you think the Jets are going to score in the 30s, 40s, then fine.

But no, not even close. Well, so how many points did the bills end up with? They have 71 points in two games. Yeah. Pretty good. My next I give up. Travis Kelsey, I think I'm good. He seems like a nice guy.

I know people who are friends with them. No shots fired. I'm just, I'm good. I'm good. The suit with the shorts today. He has the big drop and he makes two plays and he's doing like the WB flexing. And then, of course, the ball bounces off his hands for the interception for the biggest play of the game. He's one of the best tight ends I've ever seen. He's not the best.

His wedding will be the biggest wedding we've had since Princess Die. I'm happy for them. I'm a big believer in true love. I'm just good. I need a break. All right. I think you were probably on the bubble for getting invited to that wedding, but now you can forget it. You're not going to be invited. I just need a break. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good because. How he broke every bone in Xavier Worthy's body. Like a break like that's a thing. he's probably cost them two games i'll say this too he was one of the best guys in the league but the tight end position is so loaded and great right now i don't think he's one of the best eight or nine guys i'm watching week to week like the colts have this dude warren who for some

reason the bears took a tight end 10th in the draft as the first tight end taken and it wasn't tyler warren who looks like a cross between um gronk and bowers and kelsey like he's just the fucking beast. But you watch, like, even, like, the Jags have that guy strange. Yeah. You know, you go on down. It feels like everybody has, like, a tight end who can catch balls down. What Kelsey does doesn't seem as special.

I'll do you one better. He's a podcaster. That's all he is. And there are probably three better podcasts, three podcasters who are better at football right now. Amy Poler, Van Leightham. So, let's... Yeah, Van could get in there.

Yeah, of course. Let's rank him as what he is. He's a podcaster. That's all. Yeah, we'll see. Because unfortunately, they really need him these next 10 weeks. You're not kidding. I have a, that's another I give up, actually. I just don't think it's going to happen for the Chiefs. I have Chiefs fans of my life. We're like, we'll be fine. We'll be fine. Trust the infrastructure. Rice comes back week seven. We'll get, we're going to get worthy back. Like, we're going to be explosive. And I see the case. But I think the past. pass rush is not there.

And I don't know, like, you can explain the wide receiver part to me, but you can't explain why you don't really have a pass rush anymore. Right. I just don't, I just don't think they have it. And Mahomes, at some point with these long balls,

all the stats from the past 25 games, like there's something really wrong with him throwing deep balls at this point. He did connect to one with Thornton today, but he overthrows dudes three, four times a game, it feels like. Right. well I like it at least he's letting it go at that time like oh good it's true 40 minutes since we've seen you throw anything other than like a four yard slant or take off for a first down yourself but so they're o and two what do we think they have to go nine and six to be in the

mix at nine and eight to get like a seed like that or seven nine and eight gets them in so they they should beat the giants this week so we could we could come back to this they're not a cross off just yet we don't fendool doesn't have the play They don't have playoffs yet. They don't have playoffs yet, yeah. They do have divisions, right? The chiefs are down on plus 210 in the AFC Westdown. Right.

So they were minus 110 to start the season? They are plus 550 for the AFC. Mm-hmm. And Mahomes is 20 to 1 now for MVP. I mean, how is he even six at this point? I don't know. That's weird. That's weird.

Another Mahomes thing, you can't tell me this is good. Mahomes has 123 yards rushing this year. He's on pace for 1,000 yards. There's no way that's good. Why do I want him rushing for 1,000 yards in his season? I don't want him getting hit ever, if I'm the Chiefs. He's definitely taking off at a necessity for sure. Listen, you can only pay the Piper for so long in the NFL with this cap

and trying to get lucky on these picks over and over again. And it looks like all those rookie offensive linemen and these young guys, rookie and second year guys. They're okay. Not great. The defensive line, it's okay. It's not great.

Running back, skill position guys. It's really like a lot of Sanjay on when Rice comes back. And Rice is really good. Yeah. Look, I said this is,

you know, we want to think of them as the bills of the early 90s that scored of a million points or the Rams, you know, that scored a ton of points or any, so the bills,

this year's bills are the only team like that. This is the Chiefs. They're going to score 20 or 21 on average. And they're either going to get a little help from the reps or Mahomes is going to pull them out of a ditch in the fourth quarter. Otherwise, they're going to lose a lot of these games. You know who sounded really happy today? Who's that?

Tom Brady announced in that game. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like assignment and more Chiefs games. This is fun. How many Super Bowls this Pat have?

Oh, three. Yeah, yeah. That's what I thought. Do you think he has an app where he checks his legacy, how much difference there is between these guys? he's like oh yeah good throw by pat it's a nice job by him there you know like kind of like slightly condescending with his announcing he's got a mute button where he's celebrating he's like high-fiving everyone another overthrow i would hit that guy oh and two teams so right now we have

the jets dolphins are we done with the game i give up we give up we give up we're coming back just on the chiefs really quick yeah jet stoffins browns Tennessee Kansas city giants Bears, Carolina, New Orleans. We have nine O and two teams. This isn't a death sentence, but it's never good. We talk about this every year when we're heading in a week three. The 24 Rams were O&2. They made it.

23 Texans were O'N two. They made it. 22 Bengals were O'N, two. They ended up making the AFC title game. So one of those teams, Jets, Stoffens, Browns, Tennessee Chiefs, Giants, Bears, Panthers. Saints, one of those teams.

The chiefs are in so much better shape than AOLS at your name. They just, because they're the chiefs. And Texans, maybe. Yeah. So, you're going to be chiefs or Texans if the Texans go into it. The Texans lose? Yeah. One of those two, right?

It's easier now, though, right? Because no case for the Giants for you? There's more playoffs. I don't know. If they play up my Cowboys every week, they'll get there. I'll have 10 wins. Good God. Major points.

What do you have? I got one more. Complaining about quarterbacks trying to draw defenses from the shotgun. Offsides from the shotgun. I'm done with it.

These guys, it's fourth and a half a yard and you'll see a guy line up in the shotgun and it's deafening roars from the crowd. You need like Superman-esque hearing, outer body hearing

to be able to hear the cadence instead of being on the ball and trying to get these exhausted delinement to jump off sides where like just a little headshake could do it. What's with the shotgun?

Like, I don't know. I don't care because I'm done complaining about it. I just don't understand. 80 cookies. What's he saying? Yeah. But get up close. You would scare me.

You're doing that on Zoom and I'm getting a little jittery. But if you were right in my ear, right, it'd be a little more effective. I don't know how you're not over center if you're trying to draw people off sides. I completely agree with you. That's a great point. I have one more I give up. Go ahead. Well, I actually have two, but we can talk about one.

one of them later. Daniel Jones jokes. You're not done with those. You don't give up. He's pretty good in those two games. Yeah. He really was. I thought he made good plays.

I thought he had a, I don't know. I thought he had good command of the offense. Taylor was great. Taylor really seems like he's 100% back. I mean, he's got to be one of the three best running backs right now. I don't know, I thought he was all right. He definitely, you know, for a guy whose career seemed over last year, did not seem over in these two games, including today.

Wait, wasn't he better than all right? Denver's defense is supposed to be good. It was top five or six last year. I'm trying to be calm. I'm a touchdown. It's Daniel Jones. No interceptions. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was legitimately good in that game. I don't want to give up the jokes just yet. But if he has a great running back, I know he did in Barkley also. I also wonder if Brian Dayball could get fired. just based on Daniel Jones' performance on the Colts, like having nothing to do with what the Giants do this year. Like if the Colts go 12 and 5, and the Giants go...

I mean, he got 400 and something yards out of Wilson, though, who's half dead. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, that's not going to continue. It seemed like a good breakup. Yeah. I'm not ready to give up on Caleb Williams was the only other guy I had in there,

but I did want to ask you, right now, how many 2,024 NFL draft Q, B's would you take before you took him in a draft? Yeah, let's hear him. Well, you tell me. Oh, all right.

Well, I'll go with who is who was the second guy in that draft? Hold on, I'm queuing it up. I should have had this. No, that's all right. It's Jaden Daniels. Oh, Jaden Daniels.

You're taking over him. We'd rather have Drake May or Caleb Williams. Oh, man. Come on. Come on. Let's go the other way. Who's taking Caleb Williams over Drake May?

That's ridiculous. us. I say penix and Nick's, both them. So you take Knicks over Caleb Williams. Yeah, I think so. You would take panics over Caleb Williams. Yeah, I don't know about Drake May. You sure this kid's good? Why are you doing this

to me? What's their record? It's probably the same. I don't know. He finally got protection today and he was excellent. Right. All right. So that's basically everybody in the draft? A lot of them, yeah.

No, there's other quarterbacks in that trap. Well, I think it was just six, right? Oh, that's the first round. Yeah. Oh, McCarthy. Yeah, McCarthy, not yet. Would you rather have Rattler or Caleb Williams? Caleb Williams.

Okay. Although I want Rattler around. I do like betting against them, Moneyline, at least. Would you rather have Florida State's Jordan Travis or Caleb Williams? Now, hopefully Caleb would be fine, but it's pretty grim. That's why I didn't want to put it and I give up, but it's, He has a couple of plays a game that just look like when you're watching like a bad college game. And Sean McDonough is like, oh, no.

He has a couple of those passes. This has to be one of the more depressed evenings for Ben Johnson, right? Like, I'm annoyed. I didn't, we didn't, I didn't convince you to us to bet the Lions over 27.5 points or whatever it was. Because this was the FU Ben Johnson game, right? So if they were ever going to break out, it was going to be this one. I guess that would be and I give up

because I give up on my Bears playoff prediction and the bet I have on them. I think out of the teams I try to take a couple swings

with the picks and that's the only one that feels dead already because I had Seattle I thought Seattle was good today we'll talk about them in a second.

Pat's not giving up on that, Vegas, but the Bears doesn't look great. The lions aren't going away. I think I put them at a four when we did the panic meter thing last week.

I think I put them at a four. They're still going to be solid. So now the Bears have to... Well, here's the thing. Green Bay might be fucking awesome. So that loss in week one doesn't look as horrible as it did in the moment because Green does the best team in the league. You know, they're playing the Bears.

It's a little... Listen, that Micah Parsons trade crushed the Cowboys and was not good for Caleb Williams. Those are the two entities that really suffered. Well, you wouldn't have been able to pay your cornerback who's already out now. Right, right. That's true. do that. We're not going to be able to pay our kicker. The kicker is the one we have to, Jerry's going to have to drop back the truck up for. Oh yeah. Let's, we'll take another break for the

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So it feels big, but it's like those, when you go on Amazon and it's like, it's a new movie with John Travolta and Bruce Willis. And you're like, oh, oh, that's probably not going to be that, did that come out in 22? They're cops, what?

It's so mean. It's so much meaner than what I said about Drake May. So mean. straight-to-video movie. Cowboys Giants. See the Cowboys the Giants. These are cover bands? Kevin Spacey's the bad guy. They're not the real band. It's just cover bands playing

each other. Yeah. Oh, shit. It's really depressing. I wish it had been a tie. The highlight of the game, though, was you have the ball, you're over midfield, and there's nine seconds left, and there's time to really try to get into a field goal range. And Schenheimer does a handoff left for three yards to set

Aubrey up on the right hat on the left hash mark from 64 right is they no no we got we got him and then Aubrey fucking nails it and I'm like what am I watching I've watched 19 people miss PATs today and the cowboys are setting up 64 year field goals and draining them I love Greg Olson but today he was like when Javante Williams gets that carry they have nine seconds left and a time out and he gets a carry and immediately trips forward and there's like yeah well when you know you when you get the ball like that you don't know what nine seconds is like like, yes, you do. Yes, you do.

You can get six yards and then, like, call time out if you're on the ground. Yeah, right. Exactly. It's like, I know everybody, oh, Brandon Aubrey's going to make any kicky tries. All they have to do is get to their own 30. It's like, no, even the 64 yarder barely made it. Can we get to a decent spot? But, yeah, that was a miserable.

I mean, I just early on, I was like, okay, my team sucks. So when your team sucks, you just want to win certain games, right? You want to win home against the Giants. Do you have to win that? I'll take four and 13 if I can get out of this somehow with a win. I promise, I will. And it was just a matter of what's going to happen first. Is Russ going to throw for 500 yards or are the Giants going to amass 500 yards and penalties?

It was that sloppy a game. 14 penalties for the Giants. 54 first downs in the game. Yeah. You had 31 or 32, almost 1,000 yards in offense. And some genuinely nice Russell Wilson throws. Definitely. The neighbors was unstoppable.

Now, you don't have any defensive backs anymore, but he was all running amok. That's a problem. I thought it was very entertaining. I enjoyed it. I thought the announcers were good. I thought, you know, but it was two teams that combined how many wins,

Cowboys and Giants combined this year? 12, 10? Oh, yeah, that's 11, 9. Yeah, well, they have to play each other again, so that's going to be one. Unless they could tie that. It was close enough. Yeah, it's bad news.

It really is. I don't know what this is happy for you. You didn't want to be Owen too. No, I didn't want to have like two. I was texting my buddies. I'm like, I'll take a tie right now. I like, I will take a tie. Probably four different times.

I said, I'll take a tie. Well, it felt, you know what it felt like the last night, the Netflix, the undercard fight, Mabilly against the Martinez. Right. And these guys are just beating the shit out of each other for 10 rounds. It's like they always call these like the rockum sock and robob fights. Goddy Ward.

Yeah. just a thousand headshots and nobody's getting phased and then at some point it's like this is going to just make it a draw. There should be no loser for this and it was a draw. That's how I thought about Cowboys' Giant.

It was like that if there were like 40 low blows in the fight. I mean, you said there were 14 penalties. There was one penalty. I don't think they even counted where the Giants had four penalties on the play and the Cowboys had one and it offset. So they really have like eight.

And it counts for only one. Yeah, it counts for none. It's like C.D. Lamb like taunted somebody. And they're like, well, we have to disregard the other four penalties. So the Pats won. They had 12 penalties, two missed PATs, roughly 500 mistackles,

and they give up a kick return TD, and somehow they won. The Colts had 473 yards of offense, two touchdowns and five field goals. They had seven scoring drives. And... And leverage. And leverage.

I wrote this down. I'm trying not to get too excited about them because if you remember 12 months ago the New Orleans Saints and Derrick Carr went 2 and O and had all this offense and I think I came on

for this podcast hitting into week three wondering like they feel a little 99 Rams-ish and it's one of the worst moments in the recent history of this podcast I am not saying anything about the Colts but they did win and they're 2-0

and I have no idea if it's going to last. But I will say Taylor and Warren might be top five to seven at their positions, right? Their receivers, that Pierce always gets open once a game deep. They have downs. They have Pittman. They have a little bit of a pass rush. Like their defense is okay. Good special teams.

Their defense is definitely better than last year. It's definitely better. AFC South, which is, you know, anyone's, game always, but it begins, it ends with the quarterback, right? And we've seen all of these. She said, right, Derek Carr, like these old guys who are good or some guys who were never good between the Derek cars and the Zach Wilson's, but then there's a Sam Darnold who wins like 13 games.

So you can't discount all of them, but you have to keep your eye. You've got to be level-headed. Yeah, I told you, I test her of the Colts. For AFC South. Right. And I talked to a Giants friend of mine who watches every player of every Giants game. And I was like, how bad was Dimes last year?

We talked about this in the overrunner spot. And he was just like so bad. Don't do it. Don't stay away. And it did sway me. But he does look better than last year. A couple more games. The Lions Bears.

Detroit had seven 20-plus yard plays in that game. Yeah. The Bears, a friend of mine who's a Bears fan was sending all the draft picks they had who like did nothing in this game because they had a lot of first, seconds, they made some trades.

Sure. And they might, especially if they don't hit on Caleb piece, just seems like a write-off. I don't know if they're a cross-off, but they would certainly be on the list. I would still have the Panthers over them. Could we officially make the Panthers

our first cross-off team? You want to do it now? Really? Yeah, they're the first one. There's no way they make the playoffs. If Tampa loses, aren't they a game out? No. The Carolina is not making it.

the playoffs. Oh, yeah. Let's cross the mind. All right, they're not making it. I just, I feel weird doing it before the Saints. I don't know why you like Spencer Rattler over Backdoor Bryce. Backdoor Bryce. I had that rid of death.

Teper, 38 and 82 is an owner in 120 games. He's good. 120 games, 38 wins for him. The Seahawks Steelers, we did not talk about. I think I was right about the Seahawks. And I think they just fucked the game. up last week. They were much better this week. Right. Their defense is good.

They did get a break of Caleb Johnson just forgetting the new kickoff wheels. But, you know, considering that at one point they had two picks on the road, right? And it just feels like, oh, they're going to go on too. But they clamp down in the second half. They have a couple, JSN. Yeah. They can run the ball. He made some plays.

I was looking, did you see their, did you say their division odds? Or that was somebody else, you said. No, but I can give them to you. Because they got to be a little better than they were with this. They're still 9-1. What were they? Was that what they were? Were they 10 or something?

They haven't budged. That's pretty good. That's pretty, I mean, what other one-on-one team do you think has a shot and you get 9-1-odd. I might bet that right now. Yeah. Yeah, because the Cardinals are 2-0 and the two games could not have been less inspiring. they barely held on against Spencer Rattler and Bryce Young like barely held on down the stretch

like they're holding on for dear life and they had some deback injuries and you know I'm with you I don't know why I had them win in 10 11 games but uh well you two might be it two and oh two might be it one thing on Pittsburgh and Rogers is it's like last year

if you pressure him he sucks and now there was stats coming out of today's game where it's like just as long as you're making a move around, he's not good. I don't know what happened in their run defense. Yeah. Because the jets ran all over him and then Seattle was able to get

whatever they wanted today. So I don't think Pittsburgh has it. Pittsburgh and Denver defenses are wildly underwhelming so far, right? In terms of teams you thought we're going to be good coming in. I don't think it's fixable either. Ravens killed the Browns.

We didn't talk about that. Hey, 23 and I had minus 23 and a half. We do need to talk about that. Oh, congratulations. Good job. by me, thank you, four to one odds. That was got a little hairy there for a little while. Yeah, it was.

I mean, that touchdown, the Brown scored was hilarious. I mean, not for me, but, yeah. Niners Saints, I wrote down this question for you. What's the opposite of a multi-view game? Is it an oh-nottai view? Yeah. Christopher Maltesante view. There's got to be some name for it.

But I really didn't want. want to ever put this in my four. And then there are a couple moments when we got near the end of the first early game hour, the ending where it's like, all right, fine. Now we're watching my dad's like, whoa, this multi-view is crazy. Now we're watching Saints Niners. I'm like, I know, I'm watching college teams. How did you make that out? I thought that was yesterday. What's this guy's name? Spencer, Rattler, Mac Jones. The O-9, oh-no, Tyvee? I don't know. I had to watch it. I thought I was smart by making the Niners. is my best bet because it went from seven and a half

and then Purdy's out and Mac Jones is minus three and I looked at Mac Jones's stats he's like six and three against a spread as a starter. It's like wow, really? Is that good? And then Rattler was like oh, six and one or something again. I was like I'm going to keep betting against the Saints until they give me a reason to. Yeah.

Great job. The mutilate view. Then Rams Titans, nothing really to say other than Tennessee's just not well coached. They had that one play. Three penalties in two weeks. You see his touchdown pass, though?

I watched it live. It was incredible. That was something else. That gives you hope, huh? It was like a 50-yard pass across the field. They'll have a new coach next year. I mean, really, that's the type of quarterback Ben Johnson should have been aligning with. Instead, he went all in on Caleb.

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We're going to guess the lines. Thursday night. Bill's Dolphins, it feels like this is the Thursday night, week two or week three game every year. Yeah. I don't know why. And it's in Buffalo. You beat me the first two weeks in guest lines.

Yes, I did. Dave Jacoby, the most excited. He really likes it. He loves. He really roots for you. Wait for that text every Monday. I have the bills favored by nine and a half over the dollars. Oh, you son of a bitch.

I had nine. It's 12 and a half. 12 and a half. How many money line and everything are we putting that with? So if the bills kill the dolphins and the dolphins are on three and there's 10 days until the next game, this is where DJ Mikey Mack might meet his demise. Oh, right. I didn't even think of that. Right.

Yeah. If it's bad, just throwing that out there. Sunday marquee game. I do not think this is the best game to watch next week for reasons we described her. earlier. But it is the Eagles and the Rams in Philadelphia because that's a rematch of an excellent playoff game last year. Kind of know how this game's going to go.

I'm not going to enjoy it that much. The Eagles will probably lead for most of the game. The Rams will come back late. It'll be exciting for about 10 minutes. And I have the Eagles favored by three and a half. I guess we split it. I said five and a half. It's four and a half.

Oh, Vegas. Right there. And the Vegas. I'm not sure about the Rams yet. The running back situation, I mean, what was Cameron Williams going for in a fantasy league? Like 3840? Right. And then it's play Corum getting the goal line carries.

Yeah. Yeah, split backfield situation. The two receivers are putting up yards. I don't know what it is for me. I don't get excited for their offense, right? I should. Nakua is a dynamic player. Great.

Now he's getting handoffs and everything. And it's just fun to see Stafford succeed, right, for as long as he can. But, yeah, this already bores me this game. Yeah. It's like if I'm, if I'm, who is it going to be Brady and Brady and Burkhart? Yeah, probably. I'd probably be like, yo, what are the other games? Can you get me a date with St. Seahawks?

I only have two watchables. First one, Washington and the Raiders. I just think this would be a fun game. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, Super Bowl rematch. Let's do it. Washington with a lot of rest, Raiders coming off, whatever happens is the Monday night game.

And I have Washington favored by three and a half. That's what I had, and it's five and a half. Oh, that's where we split that. It's a little high. Two Vegas zones out of the first three. This is, let's be careful, week three. The other one is Chargers Broncos, which I thought long and hard

about putting in the Sunday Marquis. Wait, you don't put your team as a watchable? This is watchables we're doing? Yeah, I'm doing it for America. I can't be selfish. Oh, you're doing it for America? Okay. Yeah.

I mean, Steelers Pats is watchable for me, but I don't know for America watching those two teams, two non-playoff teams playing. I wouldn't put the watchable category. Chargers, Broncos. This is a good game. Mm-hmm.

Ooh, this moved. Did it move? Mm-hmm. I had Chargers by two and a half. You'll get it either way. I had two. It was two and a half. It moved to three.

Hmm. There'll be a lot of Denver fans at this game, we should mention. Yep. Well, we'll know. We're going to know tomorrow night with the Chargers, if we have a real contender with them or not. Right? Yeah.

I mean, I'm on Vegas tomorrow. That's one of my 107, so you could root against that. I have money on Vegas. You do. I'm with you. Okay. Bowers is playing. Yep.

I think they, I don't know. I wouldn't say they have a home field advantage, but they do have a good crowd. Yeah. And we'll see. We're going to find out a lot from the charges. It's just like neither of these two teams put together two good games in a row ever. So it's like, I'll take the points. Well, if the Chargers spank them tomorrow, they have a case for being.

the third best team in the conference. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, I was predicting you and I talk about Pete Carroll as one of the coach of the year contenders if they win that game. Right there. Fairly watchable is I have seven.

Let's describe it as a fairly watchable week three. Packers Browns normally would go in the poopfecta, but it's in Cleveland. And I like watching the Packers. So I have Packers by nine and a half I was going to say you better get it exactly because I did eight and a half Ah

Right They can't lose that right It's not cold It's not anything I mean that is a The definition of a three team teaser Slash Eliminator Pool Just keep throwing in things

I feel pretty good about that Speaking of keep throwing I mean this is supposed to be like Flacko semi-retirement. He's throwing 90 passes in the last two weeks. I know. He's like 56 for 90, I think. Poor bastard.

Do you see that thing today about how Shador, the Ravens told him they're going to take him in the fifth round and his team discouraged it? Because he didn't want to back up Lamar? Yeah, right. And now he's the fourth backup to Flacco. That can't be. You don't want to back up Lamar.

Who is a better person to back up and learn, like, go to a great franchise and back up Lamar and try to pick some shit up. You're not going to be a starter for a couple years anyway. Did he say this in the third round when no one had taken him? Did his team, was he still like trying to... I think they told him according to the report, they're going to take him

in the fifth round and he didn't want them to. Like that day? That day? Yeah, that day. Yeah. I mean, you would have told them the day before the draft. He was like, go screw yourself. Well, he thought he was going to the first one. Right, right. Colts Titans. Wow, is this

this game is Paul as a don't be careful. It's in Tennessee. Yeah. It has the makings of like 92% of the people on whatever have picked the Colts. I have Colts by three and a half. We hit that exactly. Yeah.

Yep, both of us. That's tough. That is a, that is a be careful. Yep. That's a leverage. All week. All week. Colts 2 and 0. Daniel Dimes rejuvenated.

Erse's daughters. She's on the sidelines with the headset, taking notes. There's a new energy around this team. Everything is so great. Colts, Colts, Colts. And then it's like punt return, tightens up 10-0. Leverage play against them.

Exactly. Vikings Bengals in Minnesota. Jake Browning aboard. This has to go in the Vegas zone. I had the Vikings by five and a half. did this move I'm sure I had five it's three and a half

no I promise no I had five it's only three and a half I mean we probably should have adjusted this after I did this before the before that miserable game we just saw yeah but that line that doesn't make sense to me because how many more points is Joe Burrowworth than Jake Browning like six

seven. So if Joe Burrow was playing, the Bengals would be three and a half point favorites in Minnesota? I think so. I mean, I think the better question is, how many more points is J.J. McCarthy worth than Browning? That line's too low. That's going to go up. Next one is Steelers at the Pats. I think I hit this one exactly. I did not see it. Go ahead. Steelers minus two and a half. It's, yeah, you can think I cheated. I said two. It's one and a half. Oh. They tick-tacked me? They tick-tacked you.

That can move, though. I think we can win that game. We think we can run on that team. That's a fun one. I like that game. Really good. As you know, I love the locker room videos. Yeah.

Fantastic Brable locker room video. He's about to give his first game ball. Craft wanders in. Hold on a second. And then it just grabs it and does a little speech for Brable, gives him the game ball. And then Vrable goes around and gives game balls to like, Ramandre and.

Milton Williams and all the heroes of the game. And then the last game ball turns to the kicker. This motherfucker who missed his first two PATs and then field goal and made the 53-yarder to kind of pseudo-ice the game. He's coming in and we're like, they're going to, this guy missed two PATs. They're going to, he's going to do a 50, and he nailed it. And Vrabel throws him the ball and he's like, hey, we believe in you. We sent you out there because I knew you were going to make that kick and team shared.

They did, but that was a fake cheer. Like 48 guys are like that. They're like, get rid of the ball. I worked my ass off and didn't miss extra points. What are you doing? It was like, we had to work our asses off because this shit had missed two PATs. Now he gets a game ball. This is a participation trophy?

What is this? I liked it. He was like, this is my kicker. Right. Jaguars Texans in Jacksonville. And if I've ever seen a one and a half line, this is it. I have the Jaguars by one and a half. You nailed it.

Good. I said one. You got that. it's a good game that's um so if the texans are awesome tomorrow let's say they beat the bucks right this line immediately flips to texans minus one and a half i think i guess so yeah they're counting the short week uh here but they're not counting the long hair on trevor lawrence what do you think the a fc south odds are right now did you look do you know this i haven't looked what do you think who do you think the favorite in the afc south is right now

So the Colts are 2-0, Jags are 1-1, Titans 0-2, Texans 1-1. And we're favored the whole preseason. Oh, I mean, God, did they make the Colts the favorite, the slight favorite? Slight favorite, plus 160, Texas, plus 185, Jags plus 260, Titans down to 13-1. So the Texans win. Plus 160 is pretty enticing.

They have a minus if the Texans win tomorrow. Oh, I forgot. Yeah. We're legally prohibited from betting on the AFC South Division. Yeah. We already did. Trump signed that rule. He said, they didn't allow anybody to do it.

That I would abide by. What is a rare win for Trump? We have something like that they'll have the NFC South that's going to win more games than the AFC South. And we have juice toward the NFC South. And then we also have under 29 and a half wins for the AFC South. we have two AFC self-bets. Oh, okay.

What was Hensch complaining about? I mean, Hensh is complaining because the Colts won in that bumps that thrones our AFCSouth. Yeah, we're all right. We're okay. The problem with doing these future bets with Hanch is he talks about them every week.

And at some point, you almost start mentally rooting and gets them. What was Hensk complaining about could be a whole other segment on this podcast. Well, he did not like the Broncos. No. Hens had some thoughts on the leverage rule. Bears, Cowboys.

this is a borderline loser leaves town match and it's in Chicago and there's going to be a week of Caleb Johnson Caleb Williams Ben Johnson Ryan Poles this is the referendum week right how did we get this so wrong

what's going on with this team Nick Wright picked them to win the to make the Super Bowl a year ago he did that yeah he did high hopes for two years of this team I picked them to make the playoffs this year. Now it's a big referendum. And now they're playing your dumb team.

I was off by a half a point. I'm warning you here. And I'm proud of myself for getting it even that close. I tick-tacked it. I went Bears one and a half. Son of a bitch. That's exactly right. Am I winning?

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, two, three, four. Seven to six, you're winning. Oh, great. Last one, Niners cards with Mack Jones, because Purdy's not going to play. And it's in San Francisco. Mm-hmm. And the cards are one of the least impressive two and O's that we've seen.

They can't believe they're two and a no. I have the Niners, one and a half. I mean, you're closer than I was. I had the Niners by three. And it's Arizona by one and a half. Oh, my Lord. Let's look at that for a second. Really?

Arizona Cardinals, minus one and a half, minus 104. San Francisco Four and I is plus one to half minus one. I really disagree with that. Yeah, I do too. Then again, you get to bet against Mac Jones, so why not? Yeah, Mac Jones. Poop Fecta. Bucks Jets in Tampa.

And I have the Bucks by six and a half. Oh, come on. Do you really? Let me say it. What is it? Let me say it. I can't see. It's six and a half.

I said seven. You get it. Is that a tease for us? Yeah, I think so. Old school? The Testa Verdi Bowl. All the six and a half level teases parlayes were hitting the first two weeks, which means we're due for one of them to.

Yeah. A lot of overshit today. It was a great one. Falcons at Carolina. This is interesting. I had three and a half before the Falcons game today, and I bumped it to Vegas zone afterwards. I have Falcons by four and a half.

it's three and a half I said four we split that right no you win that then wait sure it's three and a half oh yeah I do want it yep three and a half I didn't write it because we didn't have it

is it still three and a half I'll keep staring at it yeah falcons three and a half at Panthers yeah I get that just taking the Panthers plus three and a half so somebody we have to you know that thing

you were talking about where the AI warns you not to bet it We can't bet this. Either the Panthers are upsetting the Falcons or, like you said, the Titans are upsetting the cults. Well, this is Falcons outdoors. Falcons has a road favorite. Right, right. Falcons with positive momentum and good feelings and good vibes.

Yep. And, yeah, it's a statement. For sure. And if it drops to three or below, I'll be betting it. Seahawks in Seattle against the Saints. And this is either seven or seven and a half. and I went back and forth and I landed at seven and a half.

Seattle was seven and I had nine and a half so it doesn't matter. You get it. Yep. Yeah. You like that better than any teaser. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Spencer Rattler in Seattle. Defense is good. Get a nice win on the board. Run the ball. Saints outdoors. That's a pretty enticing car. If they were coming off a loss, they always have the one fucked up

home game, right? Sunday night. Chiefs at the Giants. I got this exact, the morning, yeah. Okay. I vagus zoned it. I did Chiefs by four and a half. It's five and a half.

Fuck. So I'm up one? Man, there's a lot of teaser games. Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, two, three. Oh, you're up two. It's over? Oh, Jacoby. It's over.

Finally. W for this guy. The good guys finally got one. Jocobbes. Oh, rest of my starters for the a net game. Ravens home for the Detroit Lions. A game that

a week ago I wasn't that excited about and now I'm like pumped. Yep. It's a great game. I did Ravens minus three and a half. All right. I said four. Doesn't matter. It's five and a half. So you win 10 to 9.

So we have let me see. There's a lot of teaser Vegas own games there. four Vegas Zone games and then we have and then you have Grux minus six and a half and then

Packers minus eight and a half for the teasers in Seattle, right? In Seattle. In Seattle. Oh, we're going to get crushed

next week. This is bad. Bonus. There's no answer for this yet but Crawford Canelo rematch. Uh. Who's favored?

All right. So Canello was, what, like a minus 180? going into last night. Yeah. Man, I think it's a toss-up, like minus 120, each side, even? There's no line yet.

I looked because the rematch hasn't been announced yet, so I don't think they have lines. I think it would be Crawford by minus 125 to minus one-thirty. Do you? Yeah. Yeah, because people are bad. I hope people appreciate what Bud Crawford did Saturday night, right? To go up to a week classes.

I want to talk about it. First of all, my sources, My sources say that there will be a rematch. Yeah, there should. Yeah, that is happening. I rarely am like awestricken by a sporting event, but I thought, been watching boxing my whole life, dating back to Ali in 1974 all the way through. And he's just-

You went to 18 months old, that. He's watching fucking wide world of sports, watching Ali fight, whoever. Like, that's when I always loved, boxing, and Crawford's one of the best fighters I've ever seen. He's, if I'm making some list, he just has to be on it now. No question about it.

And I feel like he falls victim to the fact that boxing hasn't been good in, I don't know, 15, 20 years. I don't even know what it is. So it hurts his legacy. And Canelo's too, by the way, that there's no Sugar Ray, there's no De La Jolla, there's no Hearns. Like, even like a winky right, right?

Like, those guys were great, you know. Well, his best his best biggest fight was Spence. killed Spence to the point that it almost didn't sit down on the same level, which wasn't his fault. Yeah, he's 42 and O. And Spence is the only one anyone cared about. And most people, like a lot of people, only knew about Crawford like last night. But that doesn't happen going up to weight classes like that and winning as a 37-year-old. It's just crazy. Right? It's a crazy thing to do. He gained 21 pounds and fought a dude who is naturally already one of the strongest people in the history of that

division who by the way has one of the max said this last night i thought max was great i love him i miss him i miss him was so good on that fight but uh but max was saying he is one of the great chins of all time and it's like yeah he actually does like there was that great social video that happened of uh when crawford stunned him and and canelo did like almost a 180 and was like whoa i've never i've never seen stars before from a punch like right but crawford like the the chess match that was going on. It was just such a high level of boxing. It was so different than that Rockham-Soccom fight from the three fights

earlier. Yeah. It was just these guys feeling each other out and Crawford right as Connello was starting to feel like he had momentum. He just shifts. He gets inside in his body and starts using his athleticism. Then he moves back again. He's moving side to side. And it was just a masterpiece, man.

It really was. It was a clinic. Like young boxers should learn from that. I mean, you know, Canello's not in his prime either, but the fact that the game plan for a lighter guy is always hit and move, right? Just hit and move and don't get in the clench. And somewhere early on, he must have realized, like, I could take Canelo's best punch.

I don't care. I'll fight inside against him. Or he just doesn't give a shit, right? Like, that's probably it. He's like, I'm so tough. It's all right. I have a good chin too. And listen, it's just great.

It's a shame boxing only produces a fight that we care about that doesn't involve one of the Pauls every four years. So it better be a rematch. Yeah, like when Sugaray came back and he moved up to fight Hagler, which was the same spring as Hogan versus Andre, I think it was like two weekends apart. And it was, you know, for us, it was like these were one of the greatest stretches ever. I was so scared for Leonard moving up. I really felt like he was like potentially going to die. This is suicide mission that he's doing this. What Crawford did was like five times crazier. Like to move up. jump two divisions like that. And even the first couple rounds, Connell is hitting him on the sides, right? He's hitting him on his hips and he's hitting him low.

And it's just like he, there's no way he's ever felt punches like that before, but he was just bad, they're bouncing off him. Really good. It's like Superman. He's so good. Were you nervous for Hogan when he went up in class to fight Andre?

Is that what you're saying to? I was nervous the whole time. Andre was unbeatable. He's going up anywhere from 250 pounds, maybe. We can't get a reading. When Leonard fought Haggar, he was so surgical about how he would attack the rounds. And he would just kind of, he was on his on his bicycle and then we'd come in, do little flurries, get out. And he would pick like these little 15th.

Crawford wasn't doing that at all. Crawford was like, I'm fighting this guy. Yeah. And I'm not afraid of him. He can't hurt me. I'm faster than him. And I thought, especially in the later rounds, it felt like Conello got really discouraged. Like there, I thought in the 10th or 11th round, it almost.

seemed like, not that he was quitting, but like he had kind of just lost I don't know what. But then he came back, but of course the cards were outrageous. Well, the two judges had a five, five. Yeah, going into the 11. That's terrible. I don't know what the answer

is to that either, because I was like, maybe we just let AI score these, but the Netflix AI had it a draw. So I'm not sure what the deal. Thankfully, they didn't screw Crawford. And then I'm reading online like, oh, he was, there was, people are describing it like you said that it might have been like oh he really didn't he only engaged

with them in four rounds like no way he was taking it to canello like he didn't care no he was in command of the the command of the fight has to matter if you're scoring it i i just i don't think we've ever totally figured out how to score these things we should have more than three judges it's crazy they only have three right talk about small sample size you just need two people to fuck up out of three and you have the wrong decision should be five but um then you have these rounds like the first round where nobody wins the first round and people are just like, oh, champ gets that one. You should be able to give 10-10.

I think you're frowned. It's frowned upon if you're a professional judge and you give a 10-10 round. But some rounds are, first round was a 10-10 round. Nobody won the first round. Yeah, one guy lands six punches, the other lands five. What do you got, you got to pick one? Oh, come on. Yeah.

But I thought the ones that were won, were won by way more, we're won by Crawford. I thought Canello went three rounds. and give him the first round, congratulations. But I thought for boxing, it was a great night. I mean, I don't know what the official audience was, but it was probably like 60 million people watching that. Yeah.

Which, so it's the biggest boxing event ever. Most of those people have only tangentially heard of Crawford. And he has his greatest fight, Spence. This was his most important fight. Yeah. But took it to him. And I don't, I think if they fought 10 times, I think he would beat Canello every time.

maybe one of the 10 times Connello would maybe catch him once but athletically he just was never in danger ever and I really thought he took it to him a few times too that's what was special about it

Canello it's funny we say that because Crawford's got three years on him three years older but Canello if you look at his last he's coming off seven unanimous decisions right and the volume

just isn't there like it was like Cinco de Mayo 10 years ago yeah I mean yeah and the and the power, I think, has gone to. He does do that thing that you were talking about

where he'll just, like, turn his head. Like, oh, did that hurt? Did that hurt you or did that miss completely? So he really does have a good chin, but he had to use it for sure. There was a little bit of, this meant more to Crawford than Canello. Not that it didn't mean something in Canell,

but even his quotes afterwards. Connell is like minted, whatever happens. He's one of the most popular fighters of the last 30 years. Yeah. And he's already won a shit, shitload of fights and he's made a shitload of money. And whether he won

or lost this, I don't think really ultimately mattered. But for Crawford, it did. Because Crawford had to win this. Now he's on this completely different list. He's one of the two or three most important boxers of the first 25 years of boxing. And if you go back

to the last 50 years since Ali, he's on that list too. He just has to be on there with Mayweather and Hopkins and whoever else you want to put on. and that that's what he needed it but I mean how many times have we seen a guy go up two-way class and it's like ah shame we've rude for the little guy and it just doesn't happen

it just gets it just gets you know engulfed but it wasn't like that at all so well I wonder he probably he could probably go down to middleweight and win that one too if he wanted because I don't think anybody there could be he could also go up to 175 and try to fight B-ball which would be fucking crazy

but imagine if he did that he's like, all right, I'll just, I'll just, now go to 175. That's going to be his 40s. Yeah, it's what he's going to do in his 40s. It would be nuts if he did that, but. Right. You know. Well, Bernard Hopkins was doing that, right?

Late in his career, he's just taking all the fights and making as much money as he can. And the weights were all over the place. But he's great. He's great. I'm glad a lot of people got to introduce to him yesterday. There's a charisma and a coolness to him, too, that I think is unusual. Like, people like Hopkins, Larry Holmes, like some of these guys who had these great records or streaks, but there was something slightly missing from a personality standpoint.

Hopkins, and Hopkins knew it and was always trying to overcompensate for it. But Bud's just, he's just got it. There's something about him that. I don't know. There's just that charisma to him. I wish I had gone. I really regret not gone, but I came back east. I'm trying to be a good parent.

You were in the wrong, you know, she doesn't want to transfer to UNLV. You can see a lot of the fights there. All right, we have to do, let's do a little parent corner. All right. Let's do it. Hold on. Oh, yeah. Parent Corner brought to you by Workday.

Are you a forward thinker? Then you need an HR and finance platform that thinks like you do. Workday is the AI platform that helps propel your organization, your workforce, and your entire industry into the future. Workday, moving business forever forward. What do you got to do? All right. So my 12-year-old now is on this travel baseball team, and they've been playing together for like three or four years. And this is the year at 12, you go to Cooperstown, right? Now it used to be all only the best teams in the country go to Cooperstown. Now you could just organize your own. There are so many tournaments up there, right? So you don't have to be great. And it's in July. And so as long as Harrison doesn't get cut between now and then, he's batting like 240 right now. So let's cross our fingers. So you go a week to Cooper's Town. in July. You're there. Upstate New York. It's great.

Guaranteed like five games. There's a home run derby. It's beautiful. But the shit's expensive. It's like $2,600 per kid. And that includes like flight boarding. They're all in like bunk beds in a hotel in Cooperstown, like in the barracks. It's fun. And you get food. And that's just for the kids. The rest of the family pays for themselves. So we're trying to be harder to get to either. It's very hard. Yeah. You have to land. There is an airport in Albany, but you're probably going to land in the city and drive.

Connecting, there's buses, yeah. It's going to be, it better be fun because it's a trudge for sure. So we're trying to fundraise because at 2,600 a kid, I think we're trying to raise like $35,000 to get the, just that the team part of it paid for. So as a fundraise that we have all these parent parties, right? That was your Broncos bet today? Believe me, it gets there.

You have all these parties, right? And you sell tickets to these parties. and it's raffles and everything's going on. And like, I'm going to help run the Super Bowl squares pool, but I'm going to buy like half the squares, right? And it's not like these kids do anything. They don't sell lemonade or like Christmas wrapping paper or something. It's all on the parents to get together for these fundraisers.

So Friday night, Melissa's at the fundraiser. We already bought the tickets. I can't go because I am at Harrison's flag football game. So there's a family that's nice enough to host. She goes, I go to Harrison's football game. all the while I'm watching on my phone I bet the Mets stupid dumb, just dumb and I bet

UCLA which is even stupider right the coach has been fired since so I'm bummed we get home around the same time from the flag game and from the fundraiser and I said how was it she says it was fun and we love all the parents like they're dynamite so she had a good time I get a little gossip from the party

and then she mentions there's a 50-50 raffle $1,000 and she won I was like my God, this is great. I was like $1,000. Like, well, I won 500 because it's 50, 50, 50 percent goes to the fundraiser. I'm like, okay, wow, 500. That's great. And I'm like, I'm thinking about I lost my UCLA and maybe I can get my money back here. Can I see it? Can I at least see the 500? Maybe I won't get any of it. But let me see it. She's like, oh, well, I gave it back. I mean, it's all for the fundraiser. I was like, you gave it back. What is the fun? What?

why don't we just pay for our kids if this is what it's like? You gave it. I had UCLA and the Mets. And she's like, but this is what you do. If you win, you give it back. So then it's a 100-0 fundraiser.

Yeah, that's it. You've got to change it from 50-50 to 100 or 0-100. She's like, well, all the parents are doing this kind of thing. I'm like, yes,

but all the parents aren't betting UCLA and the Mets. So it just weirded me out. And like I said, I love, and all these parents listen. to this and they're going to think I'm a nutcase here. But fundraising for kids is kind of a joke. It just is. You've done this, right? You had to have. LaCross, something, soccer. I never knew people pocketed the 50-50 part. I always thought that went back to the thing. Oh. So you were with

her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was like a Ponzi scheme for the, you just gave it back anyway. It's really a hundred zero. But the fun, it's not a fundraiser if you're paying all the funds. If all the parents are paying. I don't know. They have to change it. It would have been funny if you won and you're like, yeah. You're waving the $500. Yeah.

Can't wait to spend this in Cooperstown. I'm getting my kids some hats and signed vintage hats. Oh, shit. All right. Well, maybe I'm the idiot then. Whatever. I've missed that on Cooperstown because it was the year my son was 12. It was COVID.

Oh, right. We had a whole Cooperstown thing. We were about to do all this. the same stuff and then no tournament. Come with us in July. No trip. You should go next July.

You know what? I'll fundraise for you. I can get $2,600 for you to go. My wife and you didn't have a daughter and you miss out in the daughter wife dynamics, which are just spectacular. I love her about. So I flew in Friday night and I was getting here in time to maybe go to dinner. My wife was already here.

So my wife is here. I'm here. We're going to go out to dinner with my daughter who's playing in a, game the next day. And I'm just going to read highlights from the text thread as I'm on the plane and we're trying to figure out the dinner. And I'll redact the restaurants. Okay.

So I said, blah, blah, blah, bye, I suggested a restaurant. I'll drop my stuff off and meet you. Zoe says to my mom, did you see this? blah, blah, blah. It's too late. Let's go to the second restaurant. What time we're going to eat? That's now a bunch more text.

So now I'm on the plane. I'm watching this. I'm like, oh, boy. It's like watching the two hockey enforcers out that are skating around and they're about to like get into it. Now Zoe goes, I'd rather eat earlier because of the game. Is 8 o'clock possible anywhere? I agree.

Do you want Italian? Then she suggests a steak place. Zoe comes back. What about American? And then she says, I want Italian. in. Let's go to the north end. Then my wife now is getting mad. She's like, well, dad's flying in. He's going to land. He's going to drop his stuff off. That's going to be too hard. I suggest the place. So he shoots that down. She does this other place. It's supposed to be amazing. 815. All right, in there.

She can't get a reservation. We do another thing. We try another one. Now we're up to 10 restaurants we've tried just on the text thread. And I'm like, now we're going to get in a fight. It's going to happen. finally my wife gets mad change of plans we're just going to order in z you can just come over i like this idea now zoe starts suggesting restaurants we should order from now we start arguing about that finally hold on i'm scrolling through all the texts have you put your input at all at this point or you're just watching i've just chimed in a couple of times yeah now we're on like our fifth Postmates thing and I finally text it's too bad we couldn't have made this more complicated over the past few hours joking so he comes back all you've done is fly today chill as a text and then

I say I'll do whatever and she and then Zoe does the I can also do my own thing for dinner and hang out later oh boy now Carrie comes back with the seriously exclamation point let's fucking get it from somewhere else said I'm like Oh, now we've had an F-bomb. Now, Zoe goes, why are you guys being so crazy? It's not too complicated. It's dinner. Who cares?

She suggested 15 restaurants and seven postmates' restaurants. And we keep going. We keep going. And then my wife does that. I've spent a lot of my day and a lot of energy talking about dinner. And I'm being super rude as I spent all this time on a meal. Just call me and let's figure this out. Pick up the phone.

And then Zoe goes, well, who cares? I didn't think this was such a big deal. And we keeps going. And it keeps going. And it keeps going. No. So he says, I don't understand how this is upsetting. It's dinner.

Jeez, fine. I don't even care where we eat. She's up to 17 restaurants. That's at this point. I've had a super long week. More attacks, more texts. This is honestly bumming me out. It keeps going.

This is going to stress me out. And we just go. And then we finally just ended up getting postmates somewhere. And it was. Is it American? This was like, no, this is when. whatever the version of the I ran contra hearings when they confiscate the phones.

People would just be studying to 700 texts that led to me having a chicken parm that was like a B-minus from someplace at 9.30 at night. You missed out on all of this though and then they were mad at each other

for like two hours. Oh, that's terrible. She should have picked up the... They should have called on the phone or would have been fine, right? Or you make the decision. The last text on the thread is no one says you can't come over

and see us. It's just easier if we don't have to deal with winter because you can't seem to make up your mind and then. It's really something. Do I have to have a girl? You miss out of all this. You just have your wife just getting disappointed that your son doesn't show

enough affection. Right. Yeah. And meanwhile, I'm flying cross-country to see my daughter. You should get to pick dinner then. You absolutely should. I mean, I know you're not going to be able to explain that to a kid. Like, hey, And here's the other thing.

She's going to be mad now that I've even talked about this. How about this? We don't even have to go to dinner any night. This can be another 80 text. I love it. I'll keep you posted. All right. Keep me post-mated.

I'll keep you posted. That was today's parent corner. And it was brought to you by Workday. If you're a forward thinker, you need an HR and finance platform that thinks like you do, Workday, the AI platform that helps prepare your organization and workforce your entire industry into the future. Workday, moving business forever forward, learn more at work. dot com how's it going at the ringer gambling show it's good it's a lot of fun who's your favorite partner you have tate on tuesdays oh oh man to bundo and house on on wednesdays the bundo and

high fits do you want a power rank or you want to wait to october i got to wait a little bit um i i i love i think the shows are all really good i i'm closest with joe house and and tate i got a yeah don't make me do this don't make me this is like watering dinner i can't do this yeah it's a lot of fun guys yes if you're a forward thinker tuesday Tuesday at noon with Tate, Wednesday with Joe House and DeBundo, live. This is all on the Ringer gambling channel on YouTube and Friday with my Ringer 107 partner, Anthony DeBundo, and Danny Hyfitz. It's all a lot of fun. And then the Sunday pregame show.

We gave out a bunch of winners, probably losers too. But, you got some winners today. There were some good ones today. Will you please tell Rahim, God bless him, he can't take the chiefs as an underdog if they're minus 107. I, if it, Howie and Terry do it, whatever, it's fine. don't know any better. I think that's your number one pet pee. I hate it.

I hate it. And then I have to be salty the whole rest of the time. And when I give my underdog, I'm like, your head's going to spin because I have a plus money dog underdog. You're not going to understand this concept, Rahe. And he's like, what? Why are you getting so mad? Underdogs have a plus. So what was the best underdog that went today?

It was Colts plus two and a half. It should have been the Giants, but... Should have been the Jaguars. Oh, Seahawks plus three. Patriots plus one and a half. Falcons plus three and a half. That was the biggest one. Falcons, yes.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Falcons plus three and a half. I don't know if... Yeah, we definitely didn't have like a plus 200 or higher money line. No, but you can't take minus. Stop. Come on. You can't take a minus as another dog.

That's too bad. I apologize. I said he did that. You won on Crawford, right? You bet on that. I did. I loved it. I was a little nervous.

I bet, you know what, though? To Rahim's credit, that's a nice hedge, the draw. If they don't feel like given the challenge of the win sometime, but there was already a draw on that card. So I was like, all right, well, there goes to draw. They're not going to have two draws, but that's a good way to hedge a little bit. I didn't necessarily know who's going to win. I just thought the odds were off. Yeah.

And I thought it meant a little more to Crawford, but I also would not have been surprised if Kno one. But I thought the plus 140 was. little insulting. And how rare is it that we're on the fun side of history on some of these, right? We won. We did it. It was great. Who is your favorite celebrity that was there? I like that Saudi guy in the front row who wasn't watching. I assume he's famous. Yeah. He got booed. He did? He got booed. He's on the undercard of the rematch. I don't know. I wasn't. Who did you like? I mean, I like Tyson always. You know, they interviewed Mark Wahlberg at one point.

And I've done, I've had him on, I had him on the pod run as ESPN. I thought he was a good guess. But some of these celebrities don't feel like they have to try to be that entertaining when they're being interviewed. They're in that no man's land of they want to talk about the fight. Right. And they, but they, like, if you go on a talk show, they come in with their stories. Yeah.

But when they get interviewed for things like this, they, they kind of don't know how to act. I think there should be a consultancy firm to help them out with some of this stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. They come in. They're like, they don't really have jokes. but they don't have expertise either and they just kind of go, it's great to be here, man.

I'm so excited to, you know, but they don't really have anything in the set. That's a great idea. That's really good idea. Just like, hey, Mark, tell a story about the time you met Lennox Lewis and you bought, like they shouldn't have anecdotes. I was, because I was trying to think, like the publicist isn't enough, right? Like our, our dear friend Louis Kay could give some advice

to someone, one of a client that's coming on for the first time. But yeah, you're right. As far as like structuring stories and stuff like this will work. Yeah, just have like one anecdote. Yeah, I like that. The time you met Muhammad Ali at the 2012 Olympics or I've loved boxing since the day of whatever. Do your best three parent corners and just read texts, yeah. Has Chris Chan invited you to play at Bel Air yet?

No, play what? Golf? Chris Chan, our friend belongs to Belvoir Country Club now and he got upset last week because House and I talked about it. Oh. Because he was trying to keep it quiet because he didn't want to have a lot of people know because then people want to play there. Right.

And then we talked about it. And now he was upset because a lot of people had reached out to him. So I didn't know if he'd reached out to you at about playing at Bel Air. I see. No, no, he hasn't. He hasn't. But we're off the air, right? Because then even more people.

No, we're still on. Oh, we're still on. Oh, all right. Yeah. So good for Christian. Well, maybe he'll invite you. You don't play golf though. I don't, but I'm glad.

Maybe he'll come invite you for a hang. I'm glad you mentioned it now. I'm definitely going to reach out to him. Reach out to him. We're in a couple of things. Country Club is a good place to start for me. All right. Thanks to Gahal and Eduardo.

Don't forget. I have rewatchable's coming Monday night, Tinkup. Oh, nice. And Prestige TV, we've been covering, we've been recapping Task, which is an excellent, excellent show on HBO. So I have that too. Cuzz, I'll see you in a week. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy.

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