The Bill Simmons Podcast - Cleveland Shocks Lamar, Dobbsanity Strikes Again, New York Bad QB History, and Belichick’s Bleak Season With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to play a game of "Good Win or Bad Loss?" for Ravens-Browns, Bengals-Texans, Chargers-Lions, and Saints-Vikings (4:20), before discussing Cowboys-Giants, a lackluster Jets-Raiders 'SNF' matchup, another ugly Patriots loss, Commanders-Seahawks, Falcons-Cardinals, and Packers-Steelers (32:00). Then, they guess the lines for NFL Week 11 (51:33), and close the show with Parent Corner (1:13:36). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Not running out either. I looked at the list. We might be able to go another 20 before we fold the podcast. So I watched The Killer on Netflix because I have Fincher season tickets. I didn't go to the theater, and I kind of wish I had. I still had a good time at home. Best of all, nobody was in my aisle on their cell phone as I was trying to watch the movie. Just had a nice little peaceful home viewing and I liked it. I need to see it again though because my initial instinct was that I thought he threw a really good, elite, fantastic Fincher-esque first six and two-thirds innings. And then I'm not sure

about the last seven outs of the game. So I need to watch it again. I'm not sure the bullpen really brought him home, but I want to watch this movie three times. I will say, I loved having the Smiths both rejuvenated and pounded into the lives of people under 35 who don't know who the Smiths were. Great job by Fincher. I like every Fincher movie. I also like how all the movie nerds react to Fincher movies. This is funny.

Because I do think he could release basically anything and they'd be like, oh, Fincher. Oh, he did it again. Whoa. You know who you are. We did a Prestige TV podcast about The Curse, which premiered on Paramount Plus and Showtime. I don't know which one premiered at first.

I can't keep the streamers straight at this point. But Sean Fantasy and I broke down the first episode. So if you've seen it or you want to see it, we did a recap of it. And we actually talked a lot about the whole concept of what streaming is in 2023 and whether Netflix seems to be the only place that things totally matter anymore now that Succession is off HBO. Maybe HBO can flip that when True Detective comes back. But we had a bigger discussion about just what does it mean to launch a TV show in 2023? So check that out. We also bumped from the Prestige TV podcast,

The Morning Show. We stripped it of its prestige. We actually had Amanda and Nora broke it down on Ringer Dish on the new guilty pleasure feed, which I will be popping on every once in a while on that one as well. So if you're not following ringer dish, please follow it because we are going to basically make that the anti prestige feed along with some other stuff, but stuff that you just, you love, but you don't feel awesome about it. Um, and the morning Show certainly qualifies because that is one of the worst shows

of the last 10 years. And I watched every minute of every episode. That is a show so bad that in consecutive episodes, they ripped off Peter Finch's speech in Network. They did it in consecutive episodes. They had somebody break camera and then stare into the camera

and do like a breaking live TV thing. Just an incredible show. Jon Hamm as evil, handsome Elon Musk. That shit really makes me laugh. Great job, Apple. You did it again. Okay. We're going to talk football with the cuz and we'll do some parent corner at the end. And I'm going to feel sad about the Pats, and he's going to have his chest puffed out about the Cowboys, even though they beat Tommy DeVito, who lives at home. That's next.

First, our friends a little past 8.30 Pacific time. Cousin Salas here. Roberts Belain. He is just, Antonio Pierce said, you're the leader of my defense. I don't care that you weren't drafted when you were 27. You are the leader of my defense, and he just made a play, Sal.

He did. Bill, he made a play, and then I feel bad that it overshadows the fact that I went on a rollercoaster with Melissa Stark for her birthday. It was a highlight of the year. She vomited all over my jacket. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, Mike. We just watched the worst Sunday night game. It was Vegas Jets. Tirico started it by saying, really excited for this one. I'm like, well,

that makes one of us in America. Somehow Vegas is 5-5. Somehow Indianapolis is 5-5. And somehow two-thirds of the AFC is left. But I'm going to start. I thought this was the best week. I mean, that game sucked, the one we just saw. And the first game sucked because your team was in it. And they're terrible.

But I thought there were five games that were buzzer beaters, right? From field goals. I thought it was the best week. Yeah, unless you had Baltimore and multiple teases and parlays and things like that. Then it wasn't as good of a week. All right, we're going to play a game called

Bad Loss or Great Win. And you have to choose one. So I have four games for you. Let's start with Browns-Ravens. Bad Loss for the Ravens or Great Win for the Brownss-Ravens. Bad loss for the Ravens or a great win for the Browns? Because it was such a bad loss for the Ravens.

I'm actually in the great win camp. Deshaun Watson, second half. 14 of 14. Deshaun Watson. 134 yards. Kind of looked back. He had no... His offensive line's decimated.

Doesn't have Nick Chubb. They fell behind by 14. He drove them down. They get the lucky pick six, that deflection stuff. But he kept making plays. And yet nobody really likes Deshaun Watson. Sort of is like, oh man, I'm so happy for Deshaun Watson. Like nobody has said that.

But I was pretty impressed by him today. I hate to say it. Well, first of all, I don't think I understand the game now. Because you said it was such a bad loss. It was a great win, but I know what you're, I know what you mean. I think it's more of a great win than a bad loss. Yeah. He, he, he was, this was his best game. Like maybe not even statistically, but he kept them in that. And, but you, how could you say it's not a terrible loss? First of all, it was a terrible loss by me. I know you and I, I'm saying worse loss. I'm saying worse loss because it was a worse loss by me. I know you and I. No, that's not the game, Sal. I'm saying worse loss. You have to pick one.

I'm saying worse loss because it was a worse loss for me and you too. You had Baltimore tied to everything. I had them tied to everything, college from yesterday and MMA and everything. And then I bet them live. I mean, can you imagine a better spot than taking the Ravens after that pick six? You see Deshaun is about to, he has such bad body language. It looks like he's going to take himself out. That Mitchell kid is so good for Baltimore and they

give him the ball like three more times the rest of the game. And I don't know. There's just incredible choke jobs by Harbaugh. The three losses this year are disgusting. They have like 94% winning likelihood plus, I think it was 99 today for the Browns one.

Yeah, they have the three losses. They were all at 82% or higher at some point. Yeah. I locked in on this game three different times during the day where I was like, you know when you're counting your bets and your picks and just meddling. I was like, the Kyle Hamilton pick six at the beginning, I was like, all right, this is a win.

Just need some luck with the other ones now. And then the Browns fought back. Then Watson looked like he was getting the shit kicked out of him. And it was like, all right, the Ravens, they're home. They're one of the best closing teams of the last few years. They've got this. 35-21. Seems like it's done. Browns come down. Really nice drive. And then within like a minute it was tied and then you know they cut to Lamar

a couple times on the sidelines and I'm thinking is this January Lamar is January Lamar back did we did we do a body switch movie with November Lamar

and January Lamar and January Lamar kind of kind of showed up a little bit there in the second half but more importantly the Ravens defense

not being able to close at home. This was everybody was saying like Browns defense is number one. But Ravens defense, if you look at the stats, they're super close here. They're super close here. And they kind of gacked it. I mean, who's beating them in the Browns? David Njoku, Amari Cooper, Jerome Ford. Like these are not guys you want in your fantasy team.

Shouldn't be. But their defense put them in good field position a couple of times. I know I don't want to blame, but yeah, that's the thing. Baltimore, the regular season Ravens that win 12 games a year typically can run the clock out when they have a two-scorer lead. They couldn't do that.

With the help of Justin Tucker, I don't know what Harbaugh's doing. He had a manageable field goal, and then he screwed around, and Tucker misses that long one. Obviously, proved to be a gigantic spot. Maybe the Harbaughs need to do something else for a little bit. I don't know. This was

disgusting to me. Rough month for the Harbaughs. Well, it was a dramatic win for the AFC North, because since he loses, and all of a sudden, the Michael Myers Steelers are at 6-3. They're a half game out. Baltimore 7-3, Cleveland 6-3,

since he's 5-4. And it feels like all four of those teams potentially could make the playoffs. I thought two things notable about this game, other than Deshaun, that's the best he's looked. He still didn't look like Deshaun from four years ago, but at least we're closer in the Venn diagram

now. The Myles Garrett defensive player of the year thing feels almost done at this point. Assuming he stays healthy and keeps it going. He's just the most impactful week after week. That was one. The other one was Hopkins misses the extra point. It's 31-30.

Eight minutes left. Hopkins misses. The Brown. It's 31-30, eight minutes left, and Hopkins misses. So the Browns are down one. And I think this was the first time in recorded football history that the team ended up winning after the guy missed this crucial PAT. It's always like the bad omen.

It's the black cat getting thrown on the field. And somehow it didn't matter. Yeah, because where do you set up the game-winning field goal, right? You can't be close enough to set it up after a missed extra point, right? 41's no good. So yeah, but yeah, that was something.

Go ahead, what were you going to say? Well, just still, Lamar, it felt like he was creeping toward the MVP, but now took a step back and we're in this weird situation with the MVP right now where Mahomes on Fando plus two 50 Hertz is three to one. I don't feel awesome about either of those candidacies.

Two is six to one Lamar six to one Allen's 14 to one. The bills could be five and five after bar night burrows down to 20 to one. And then CJ Stroud, Goff and McCaffrey are all 30 to one. And we're heading toward the week before Thanksgiving. And you missed Dak Prescott. He's also 30 to one go ahead yeah definitely 100%

didn't miss that Prescott yeah so I don't it I still feel like great win for the Browns over a bad loss for the Ravens but I think it's close I'm just looking at my ledger here it's definitely a bad bad loss for you and I

specifically bad loss once again I learned you and I specifically, bad loss. Once again, I learned the lesson, don't tie one team to a bunch of bets. I had them tied to like 10 NBA games over the last three days. It's like, ugh. Bengals, Texans. The Texans legitimately win.

They have 544 yards of total offense. They have 28 first downs. They also rush for 188 yards. And Stroud, once again, just throwing fucking darts everywhere. Just darts. Just moving on the run, dart. Perfect lob, 30-yarder.

Just got it. And his receivers are making plays. And it felt like the Bengals were going to come back and steal it. And once again, he fought it off. But now we're at the point where CJ is, you know, he's a fringe MVP candidate, but they're at least legitimately in the playoff picture. They're only a game behind Jacksonville playing Jacksonville in week 12. And that's inconceivable now. So I'm going to say great win for them over bad loss for Bengals. Great win. I agree. Better win than a bad loss. Bengals had some guys out, you know, you know, and they had been on just too much of a role, I think.

And the Texans showed a lot, right? Just the fact that I was cursing Stroud under my breath. I'm like, oh my God, how do you give that away? How do you throw that pick there with a few minutes left? You're, you're ice in the game here. And then to come back and win that. Yeah, absolutely. Gigantic win that? Absolutely gigantic win. Huge. 5-4. But

it makes me think that the worst loss of the year was Texans against the Panthers. How the hell did they lose to that team? I think this Texans team is legit. And they lost to that crap bag Panthers team? Come on. Yeah, the Texans 5-4. They lost to the Jacksonville had they beaten the Panthers, right? Yeah, the Texans 5-4. They lost to the Jacksonville. Had they beaten the

Panthers, right? Yeah, they start out 0-2. They beat the Jags. They beat the Steelers. We're like, what's going on here? Then they lose that stupid Falcons game under the rule that every Falcons game has to end with a two-point deficit one way or the other. They beat the Saints, lose the dumb Panthers game. They beat the Bucs 39-37 in a game that, after watching the Bucs today, it's a little more impressive

than it was a week ago. And then they squeezed past the Bengals. But the thing is, they got the Cardinals next week who looked a little rejuvenated with Kyler, but they're still the Cardinals. So they could legitimately be 6-4 heading into that Jags game. And I gotta be honest,

I like the ceiling of their team more than the Jags. We're gonna talk about the Jags in a second, but I think their offense is more explosive. It seems like they're a little bit better coached, and they're a little more resilient than that Jags team. That Jags team falls behind by 10. You feel like

the game's over. I would suggest that we bet the Texans plus 270, but then they're going to lose four in a row, and I kind of like this team. I don't want to do that to them. We've already mushed a South team that we'll talk about in a minute, I'm sure. But I think you're right. I don't think right now there's a huge – well, Trevor Lawrence has been in the league three years or four, whatever.

It doesn't matter. I think they're just as mature, right? That Stroud is. I don't know. They're right up there. The Bengals, so they come back, but then they can't get the big stop. Houston scores 20 points in the second half.

This was the rare Big Lou, not with the halftime adjustments, putting the clamps down. Like normally he's Mariano Rivera. He was not in this game. They didn't have Higgins, which I think mattered. Chase was playing,

even though he was hurt. He didn't look, on the TV, he didn't look 100% comfortable. It looked like he was gutting it out, but they couldn't run the ball again. They were 16 for 66. And then Houston gets this huge

Devin Singletary, 30 for 150 game. All these discarded Buffalo backs seem to thrive on these other teams, but Noah Brown, who was available on our waiver wire in our league where we vote people out and nobody picked him up this week.

7 for 172. He's got 320 in the last two weeks. He was available on my actual team and we let him go for nothing. Is that true? Oh, that's right. He was on the Cowboys., and we let him go for nothing. Is that true? Oh, that's right. He was on the Cowboys. Yeah, he was a Cowboy.

Yeah, usually 380 yards is enough for the Bengals to, like you said, they play any sort of defense. But I think this Texans team just screws everybody up. They talk about having tape on a quarterback. It doesn't seem to matter with C.J. Stroud as we hit their week 11. Well, okay. So Pittsburgh 6-3, Cleveland 6-3, Cincinnati 5-4, Houston 5-4. Stroud as we hit their week 11. Well, okay. So, Pittsburgh 6-3, Cleveland 6-3, Cincy

5-4, Houston 5-4. Let's just say those four teams are playing for two spots. I wouldn't want to see Cincy if I was the two seed or the three seed. If I had to give you Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Houston, I'm the two seed, and I could

see one of those three teams as the seven seed. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Houston. I'm the two seed, and I could see one of those three teams as the seven seed. Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Houston. Which one don't you want to see? Which one don't I want to play, or as of you, I want to see? Don't you want to play? You're the two seed. You're like, oh, fuck, really?

These guys? Is it Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or Houston? I think for me, it's becoming Houston. Is it Houston? I might still say Cleveland. Just because of the defense. Yeah, I think so. What Pittsburgh is doing is just remarkable. We'll talk about it, but

I don't understand it. One thing with Cleveland, this felt like a classic get super close and then Stefanski does something stupid to fuck the game up for them. And he didn't do it. I was actually kind of proud of him. No, I know. It was the rarest scene. He had some good

play calls. He gamed a couple of the downs and the time management was there. I was kind of impressed. Maybe he's gone. Alright, next game. Let's do Lions Chargers. Lions Chargers. Lions Chargers.

Great win or bad loss? If you had to pick one. Well, I think the better team won. So I'm going to say good win, great win. I'm going to say better win. But bad loss for all the teams you mentioned that are 4-5, 5-4 for the Chargers. This made you think, today made you think AFC North could have four playoff teams.

So it's a bad loss for a team like the Chargers in that regard. But I always thought Detroit was just better throughout the whole game and the last team with the ball won kind of thing and is a great same game parlay game. So that's it. They had that fourth and two near the end.

There was a moment in this game and I texted you and the fellows about it. It was 38 to 38 and the Lions had 488 yards and zero turnovers. And you're just like, how is this a tight game? All they've done this entire game is move up and down the field and get every play they want. So they get to drive again. They immediately go down and they get the game winning field goal. They finished 533 yards, 23 first downs. There were four for five on fourth down. And there was that key fourth down play, fourth and two, where it's like, oh, should we try a long field goal here? What should we do? I vacillate depending on the situation in the team. In this case, it was like, they have to go for this. They're getting eight to 10 yards of play. I'm positive they're going to get this unless something horrible

happens. And they were at a really nice play over the top. And the play calling was great. Yeah. Every play was great. The guy was wide open by six yards. Tight end, sneaks out and just goes and gets it. I bet they could have won this game by two scores. That one drive by the Chargers started at the end of the third quarter and ended at the beginning of the fourth in a touchdown. That was bullshit. That really was. A lot of double calls and a phantom pass

interference and just weird stuff. I didn't think they should have scored there. This was the fishiest game of the day. All the money was in the Lions. There was a fourth down and goal to go. They had a great stand and all the money was on the Lions. There was a fourth down and goal to go. They had a great stand and they called a PI on somebody. And it was so dubious that they had to use the furthest away camera to show the replay. They're like, oh, I think I see it there. It's

like, you guys have cameras right in the end zone. I guarantee you have a better look of the guy briefly holding his waist for a split second. And they ended up running, what, eight plays inside the two-yard line before they finally scored in the second fourth down. It did feel fishy. And I kept waiting for the Lions holding penalties, something like that. But that's the Chargers too, right?

I'm like, wow, how are they going to win a game like this where things are going their way actually? No, they didn't. They're the Chargers. Yeah, that was interesting with the camera. Tough game for the Lions defense if you're just thinking about them from a title aspect. Guys in the Chargers were open the entire game.

Keenan Allen, who had the classic Keenan Allen game. I think he had 20 catches for 380 yards. He went in the blue tent twice. He left. It seemed like it was over. They're just throwing red flags next to his name for an hour. And then all of a sudden, he's back in the game.

But Herbert, who I thought was shaking the first quarter, and then he came on. And you couldn't complain about their offense, but they just couldn't get stops. There were more Detroit fans than Chargers fans. The line was two and a half. It ended at two. So they ended up covering

basically for the whole week. I have an important Jared Goff question for you, but I want to take a quick break and then I'm going to throw it at you. This episode is brought to you by Movember. The mustache is back with a vengeance.

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Uh-oh. Is Jared Goff legitimately good? Like, I'm not camera is Jared Goff legitimately good like I'm not saying is Jared Goff good I'm saying is he legitimately good because the guy I watched today seems super comfortable made all the right throws

had some great touch throws with feel he could throw it deep he could wing it he was always on command like he never had like a really on command. Like he never had like a really bad pick, almost pick. He never had a stupid Jared Goff fumble, the shotgun snap, nothing. He was just smooth sailing for four quarters on the road. I was really impressed and I've been impressed all year. And he's at the point now where it's like, I think he's becoming what we thought Lawrence was going to be this year. I think he took the Lawrence spot in the top 10.

I'm going to give you my top 10 in a second, but do you agree that he's legitimately good now? First of all, I don't know who's good anymore. I go by who I enjoy watching because you're like, oh, Gardner Mincher. No, no, he's good. Leave him alone. No, don't throw him in that class with Tommy DeVito. He's good. I'm like, all right, I'm going to go by who I enjoy watching.

He's definitely one of seven or eight quarterbacks I enjoy watching and he's excellent, excellent in this system. Excellent. Yeah. It's almost like you take, it's like a movie or something where a bunch of kids get adopted by different families and you see where the kids get turned out and he got adopted by the family with the good offensive line and the awesome offensive coordinator. And now he's putting it together and he's way better than maybe he ever thought. But if he'd gone to like Arizona, it would have been a disaster.

Maybe we're right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I I've made my top 10 and you got the Mahomes. These are top 10 best, just best.

Well, so I just made a list. I'm like, is he top 10 now? Mahomes, Burrow, Hertz, Lamar,

Allen. That's your top five. Right. And then Herbert's right there is the sixth. And then Tua, is he top 10 now? Mahomesboro, Hertz, Lamar, Allen. That's your top five, right? And then Herbert's right there as the sixth. And then Tua, assuming he stays healthy. And then it's like Stroud and Goff and Dak in some order. And that's the 10. And Lawrence isn't in there.

And neither is Brock Purdy. And neither is Matthew Stafford because he can't play more than four straight games. And then it drops off quickly to like Gino and Kyler and Baker. We don't even have 15 quarterbacks. I trust anymore. So. No,

of course this is the worst. This is like, and we try to convince ourselves. I'm not saying this golf example is one of them, but I think we were always trying to convince ourselves. All right. Maybe this guy is good. Like,

uh, that prison meal I had the other day, it was good. They use like three beans. Like now that, that black bean, that was shit. Somebody just shit good. They use like three beans. Like now that, that black bean, that was shit.

Somebody just shit in the bat. That was it. Like, you're really, I think we're stuck with what we're stuck with. And he's definitely top seven. Wow. You're going seven.

Okay. So you're putting in seven. He and Dak are right in there. Seven, eight, nine. Yeah. Yeah. Cousins on it anymore.

Yeah. Cousins is gone. The most interesting thing to me is that Lawrence definitely dropped out of the top 10. He just hasn't been good enough this year. There's been too many games where you just feel like they're way behind the eight ball. He can't get anything going. Their offense, I think, has been

probably the biggest disappointment in the AFC. I was also stunned making the list that according to my calculations, does this mean Baker is a top half of the league quarterback? If you put him 16, he's in the upper half?

Kind of nuts. I think that golf trade, when you figure they got a first-round pick, they were able to get rid of the Stafford money, and then they get this guy that they're able to salvage. It's pretty impressive. Lions are good. I really wonder about their defense zone, whether they can get stops.

When they play your team in the playoffs, when they play Philly, San Francisco, anybody who can throw the ball, are they going to be able to stop that team. Yeah, well, they had no sacks today, right? And then sometimes they'll have eight sacks. I think that's the weirdest thing, the weirdest dichotomy we have to go through week after week. I don't think we've seen

more eight sack games than we have this year. But then it'll disappear, so you don't even really know what you're watching from week to week. Right. So the Char't even really know what you're watching from week to week. Right. So the Chargers, four and five. And they're looking the rest of the way. They're playing some tough ones.

At Green Bay, never easy. Home Baltimore. At the Pats, easy. Home Denver. At Vegas. Home Buffalo. At Denver. Home KC in a game that KC might not care. So they're certainly not out of it.

I wouldn't say that's like a murderer's row of a schedule. Alright, so we both agree that that was a better win for the Lions than a loss for the Chargers. Alright, last one. Viking Saints. Great win or bad loss? Where are you going?

It's a bad loss for the for the Saints that we bet on them during the week me you and house we bet that

it's like this division parlay winner can't lose no way it's gonna lose we're still gonna win that

who's who's beating them they still have a game lead in the NFC South well you know what the worst part of it is we have to watch these NFC South that you sucked me in I didn't want anything to to watch these NFC South. You sucked me in.

I didn't want anything to do with this NFC South. And I'm watching intently, hoping that Atlanta loses to Arizona because we have frickin' New Orleans. But you're right. If you look at the... This is a good win. This is a good win for Minnesota because of what you said. New Orleans, it didn't really...

They lost ground with Tampa Bay, and we kind of know what they are going forward. But this Dobbs could have easily been a one and done, right? But he stepped up. Is he in your top eight? He might be in the top five. He's not bad at all.

I like this Vikings team a lot. Good win. The first half, he looked like early 2010's Kaepernick, crossed with Josh Allen, crossed with Lamar. I can't describe how well he played if you didn't watch the game. There were six times where it's like,

oh, they're going to sack him. No, he got it. No, he crashed. And all of a sudden, it's another 20-yard play. They have a one-game lead for the six-seed, and now they have the tiebreaker over New Orleans,

and I think Atlanta, too. Raheem said it reminded him of the Lynn Sanity run in 2013, the Dobbs thing. Dobbs Sanity? I don't know. I kind of like it. Maybe the ball could get rolling this year. I love how he looked. See, when he scores and they put his cartoon up, I don't know if you see the Fox.

It's so good. I don't know if they're trying to be funny, but it's great. I think all their cartoons are funny. So if you're going Dobbs Remorse, Pittsburgh had him for a while. Right. And they have Roethlisberger fun. They don't even care.

They draft Pickett. Tennessee had him last year. They were like, ah, whatever. They let him go. They draft Levis. Cleveland has him in training camp this year. And maybe they realized he might have been too good. So they're like, yeah, we'll go with P.J. Walker. Goes to Arizona.

They didn't think of all the teams that needed a quarterback, specifically the Jets that were like, nah, we're good with Zach Wilson. And Dobbs swings at least two of those Jets games, I think. Right? So they're four and what are they, four and six?

Probably six and four. Yeah, they're four and five or five now. Yeah, four and five. Yeah. Yeah.

So they could potentially be like six and three with Dobbs, but it's just weird. We search for QBs everywhere and yet Dobbs is sitting there and everybody's just staring at him. And it really doesn't make sense

why Minnesota took him. Like they had, Colt McCoy had like a couple of years under O'Connell's supervision, right? I think Dobbs would have been the third choice on the list. He's good. He's fun to watch.

He's in my fun to watch list. Only eight of them. This happens occasionally in football. A little Willie Beeman showing up on any given Sunday turning Al Pacino's team around. We also, in this game, we had Jameis came in because Derek Carr got hurt. And Jameis was just immediately

like on bath salts, just doing crazy shit. Throws this touchdown where he rolls to the left, chucks it the other side, corner of the end zone with some height. It was like the best pass of the day, except nobody should have ever thrown the pass. Then he ended up throwing two picks. It was the full Jameis experience. Two TDs and two picks in half a game. It's fun to have him back

though. I'm trying to figure out if for our bet, are you more excited to have Jameis Winston or Derek Carr as a quarterback? There's going to be a lot of highs and lows with Jameis as you explained, but Derek Carr, you know what you're getting. 13 for 18, 170. I think I'd rather have the Jameis. I think the team, well, they lost 13 for 18, 170. I think I'd rather have the Jameis. I think the team, well, they lost Thomas during the game, but I think I'd rather have the Jameis. What's weird about them is there's some games, and it's usually only when you bet against the Saints,

when they use Taysom Hill as this running quarterback weapon. But then when I bet on the Saints, those are the games where he's just running pass routes and dropping passes over the middle and stuff. It's like, what happens to the ones where he's running for eight carries for 80 yards? I realized Raheem talked me into this Saints in the under

when he was on Million Dollar Picks. And I realized during the game, because I bet on it in real life too, the whole thing. And then you realize Dobbs starts doing well and you're like, I have Dennis Allen and Derek Carr and I'm on the real life too, the whole thing. And then you realize like the Dobbs starts doing well and you're like, I have Dennis Allen and Derek Carr and I'm on the road in Minnesota.

It just doesn't feel good. What was that? They'll cut to Dennis Allen and you're like, oh man. You have those, we should do a list sometime. We should work on a list of the top 12. Oh man, I bet on that person. Because Dennis Allen's definitely one of them. I'm not positive he's awake.

No, he might not be. It might be better when he's not. I feel like you nailed this years ago when you said, all right, who do you trust when they're down 10? Not even trust to win, but that's the all-man feeling, right? With the Saints.

We probably shouldn't put it. Jacksonville's like that for me. I actually stayed away from that game, but I would have bet San Francisco if I did it. But I feel like Jacksonville's like that for me. Yeah. I bet, I actually stayed away from that game, but I would have bet San Francisco if I did it, but I feel like Jacksonville's done when they're down 10. Etienne got,

Etienne got banged up in that game and maybe that would have changed their destiny a little bit. They won a pretty big playoff game down, like 30,

but I think that That was Brandon Staley, like he overrode their bad comeback. That's true. Yeah, there's so many forces working against each other. Yeah. I, I don't know. I, there's so many forces working against each other. Yeah.

I don't know. I guess Jameis is better for us. It'll be more fun. Well, this will make you feel like shit. The five New Orleans wins this year. Tennessee, Carolina, New England, Indianapolis, and Chicago. You can't even call them the good-bad team. They're like the half-ass, mediocre-bad team.

They better win this division. Because you and I both saw the quarterbacks they face. Whoever the Falcons have out there, all right, the Lions are going to lose. They have the Panthers, the Giants, the Rams, the Bucs, they should win, and then the Falcons again. It's impossible for them not to get to nine wins. Ritter

today, Ritter comes in because Heineke gets hurt and he runs for the go-ahead touchdown and he did it again. He had the ball in the wrong hand as he's crossing, as he's going over left, crossing from the pylon. It's like this guy, you cost him a game like three weeks ago doing this and you

still can't figure this out. I forgot he was healthy. I'm like, oh, who are they going to put in now that Heineke's out? Oh, Ritter? Oh, he was just benched? He sucks. They just gave up on their most recently drafted quarterback. Interesting. Yeah, pretty rough. Jeff Chow texted me during the Jets-Raiders game and he

asked if this is the worst the New York quarterback situation has ever been. And I have an answer for that in a little bit. But I deliberately did not watch Cowboys-Giants because we knew what was going to happen in that game. Better win or worse loss, Cowboys-Giants? Well, I knew you would watch it. Dak just piling on the fantasy points. What a day for him.

He had like 45 points. How bad was DeVito? What was your take watching him for three hours? Yeah, he was bad. Really bad, but he got better. But he got better against our third string. And by the way, I had the Giants under 10.5 points and Dables calling timeouts down

49-10. It was driving me nuts and of course they scored. And he got it, right? He got it. Yeah, he got it. No, it was a whipping, but the defense was bad. And so, look, he's not a quarterback for the future, this Tommy DeVito. We can make fun. I love every good fellow's meme I see attached to him, right?

Him getting shot or him in the kitchen with the mother. Now that he said he lives with his parents. And I did mention on Ring of Wiseguys, everyone's flipping out that this line was 17 and a half. But Fandel has a provision that says if one of the quarterbacks admits to living with his parents, the line can't be anything under 15 and a half. So that's why it made sense. But I know you made fun of Dak. And oh, yeah, he puts up stats when it doesn't matter. But this is a good year for the Cowboys fans rivalry with the Giants.

89-17 over two games. It's classic deck. He lit up the Thanksgiving family touch football game yet again, torturing, torturing, uh, uncle Vinny. I got him again.

He torched him three touchdowns for deck. Listen, I've been on the other side when they lost to the Cardinals. So let's just win these games. Um, jets Raiders. Can we stop with the Rodgers comeback? Do we have to do this as a news

story and we have to do, they have to show them on the sidelines and the sideline reporter with the, I talked to Aaron Rodgers and he said it's going really well and he can do this and he can do that. Aaron Rodgers is not playing football this year. Why are we doing this? He's intentionally,

especially as the Kelsey Taylor Swift relationship goes bonkers. It's like, I got a leak that might kill you. I might be back in mid-December. There's no way. I mean, why would he say that? Doesn't he make himself look foolish if he says mid-December?

No, because it's always couched. It's like, I'm on pace and maybe it'll be a miracle, but it's just, come on. I'm not going to give him any credit.

If he's back mid-December, he was misdiagnosed. He doesn't have a torn Achilles. I know medicine's better and everything else. I don't think he's going to the guys where the medicine's better.

I really don't. And, you know, he's almost our age. So if he's back mid-December, sorry, you didn't have a torn Achilles. You had a strained Achilles. Right.

What would you put for Fandelots? That he comes back? Yeah. I mean, what would their record be by then? I would say minus 1,300. To the no. To the no. And I'm happy to book that bet

from anyone who wants to make it. A little lower, minus 600. But he's got to shut up about it. He can't be talking about like, hey, if I could stand on one toe, I'm going to give it a run. Did you see Zach Wilson? I guarantee you're not going to be able to.

There's 10 times a game where the quarterback has to quickly pivot and scramble out. His leg's not going to be ready for that. Just stop. So Jeff Chow asked, is this the worst New York quarterback combo ever? Because we have this Zach Wilson,

Tommy DeVito combo, and we live in this world now where everything has to be the worst, the best, the greatest. It's a good question. Well, I went and did the work because that game was so boring. So here are the candidates, And I actually have a winner.

But just going backwards, in 2017, the Jets had Josh McCown. And the Giants had washed Eli in his last season. And both of them, they won like a combined nine games. So that was pretty bad. 2003, the Jets sucked and the Giants sucked. It was Chad Pennington and kind of washed up Cary Collins. So we had that. Where it gets really good, we go to 96, and this is the runner-up.

The Jets finished 1-15, and the Giants were 6-10. The Giants quarterback was... I was going to say Browning Nagel, or is that after? No, it was right before. Who do you think the Giants quarterback was? 1996, and you bet on him, and I hadn't thought of him in 25, 27 years. He played all 16 games as the Giants quarterback. Jared Lorenzen.

No. Dave Brown. Oh, Dave Brown. The Duke kid. I couldn't remember his name. Yeah, that's right. 16 games through 2,420 yards, 12 TDs, 20 picks. The Jets had

a Frank Reich, Neil O'Donnell, who was 0-6 that year, and Glenn Foley, who was 0-3. They finished 1-15 combined. They almost threw for 4,000 yards, but 22 TDs, 30 picks. So combined, the Jets, Giants, quarterbacks, 50 interceptions that year. And you think, well, there's no way we

can get worse than that. Let me take you to 1976. Pasargic? So the New York Jets, it's Joe Namath last year. And he's like, to say he's washed Larry Holmes status, it's like a whole other level. He plays eight games. He goes one and seven as a starter, four touchdowns, 16 picks. Gets replaced by Richard Todd, who comes in, finishes two and four, three touchdowns, 12

picks. They had eight fumbles between them. They had 28 interceptions, eight fumbles, and seven touchdowns. Giants, Craig Morton. He goes two and 10, nine touchdowns, 20 picks, seven fumbles. Norm Snead plays two games, zero touchdowns, four picks, one fumble. So combined, all the New York quarterbacks that year, 16 touchdowns, 52 interceptions, 16 fumbles.

Wow. So when people tomorrow are like, this is the worst it's ever been. Tommy DeVito, Zach Wilson. This is so, 1976 is so much worse. It's like a hundred times worse. So there you go. That's a great, that's great research. I would say I was part of that Jets debacle.

What'd you say? Neil O'Donnell, Browning Nagel. That was the worst for me because my father had season tickets for the Jets and I had to go with him. I'm not even a freaking Jets fan. And we would drive. I don't know why we weren't that far away, but he insisted on driving through the city from Long Island to, uh, the metal, the metal lands at the time. And it was a three hour there and three hours back and Jesus, three hours of terrible game. You don't even get to watch TV. Yes, exactly. The most miserable time. Well, the new O'Donnell, that was my favorite

because they made the Super Bowl the year before. Right. And then he signed with the Jets. He signed this big contract. Then he had this press conference. And he was like, I was brought here to win. He sounded like Francesa. He was like, I was brought here to win games.

I'm a winner. The Jets are a winner. And it was the funniest press conference. And me and all my friends, we have a couple of Jets fans. We were like, I'm a winner. The Jets are a winner. And it was the funniest press conference. And me and all my friends, we have a couple of Jets fans. We were like, I'm a winner. I'm here to win games. And then he went 0-6 and it was one of the worst signings of all time. But what year was that? That was 96. Yeah. Was that a co-tight year?

Yeah, it was. Jets coach, was it? Okay. Yeah, that was. That was right. Donald and Foley as the QBs and Dave Brown. Quickly, let's hit a couple more games. Niners, Jags. Niners back. Not a surprise.

Really, Trent Williams and Debo Samuel came back. There was a weird McCaffrey touchdown quest in the fourth quarter that I was convinced was going to end with him getting hurt and then it becoming the biggest story but he never got hurt.

Jaguars, 4.1 yards per play, four turnovers and I think Trevor Lawrence officially died as a fantasy starter. I don't think

he can start him anymore. There's always, if you're in a 10 team league, there's always going to be, I would say, 10 better quarterbacks than him no matter what the scenario is.

Right? What if you're in a league where David Chang changes the rules and everybody has to start two quarterbacks, but one guy hoards eight quarterbacks? What about that? So you don't like the flex? I think it's been really fun.

Listen. I started eight in O'Connell today. It was genuinely exciting. When the founding food fathers thought of this rule, I don't think they realized how bad the quarterback play would be in 2023. I think two years ago when he pitched it, fine. But now it's, I have to make a crazy trade with you for Mac Jones. I have to beg you for Mac Jones off your roster. And you promised me he'd be good. He was awful. What's up? He was awful. Well, I traded you Mac Jones for Javante Williams. Yeah. And then I traded Gino Smith and Zay Flowers for CD lamb because I hoarded four quarterbacks. So I love the flex league. It worked out great for me. Um, I think it's

the reason I like it. The reason I like the two QBs or the chance to start two QBs is it just involves two good team QBs in the whole league. Well, like I was agonizing over do I start Aiden O'Connell or Javante Williams, the running back in my flex spot. Like it was a real, it was just an added thing. Wait a minute.

You don't have to start a quarterback in the super flex? No, you can start whoever you want in that other position. Oh, man. Why? Why did I trade you for... Did you not know that?

No, I just thought if everyone starts a quarterback, so I thought it was a quarterback. Oh man. I traded you Mac and he might never play again. And he might be forced to leave. They might've left him in Germany. I don't know.

They might've just handcuffed him. I'm leaving him at your front door with, with something else. Some dog poop. Yeah. Um, there's a chance that was Belichick's last game.

Like we're taping this now it is 9, 10 p.m. Pacific, but I don't think they'll fire him. I do think there's

if he if it ended, I think it would be like he steps down type of situation. And then maybe at the end of the year if somebody else

wants to hire him Kraft would be like, well, he stepped down. He still belongs to the Patriots and then maybe at the end of the year if somebody else wants to hire him, Kraft would be like, well, he stepped down. He still belongs to the Patriots and then they would trade him for a second round pick. I guess it doesn't matter the extension, right? Did we even talk about this last week? Whatever.

The Raiders are paying two coaches like $80 million. I feel like it's a kiss of death when you hear about an extension. I would never want to hear about an extension. Don't ever say you extend it, but don't make it news if you ever extend me at the ringer. I don't want to know because that means- Well, maybe though. Every client he has, he brags. I know.

Just an extension I got, Jimmy. And football means you're going to get fired immediately. Yeah. It's weird. Well, I'll tell you this. Two weeks ago, heading into this Washington-Indianapolis combo, I was like, man, if this goes badly, it's going to be it for Belichick heading into the bye week. Well, I'll tell you this. Two weeks ago, heading into this Washington-Indianapolis combo, I was like, man, if this goes badly, it's going to be it for Belichick heading into the bye week. Well, how could it have gone worse?

They completely choked against Washington. Then this Indianapolis game was disgusting. Although, I was full-fledged rooting for the Colts. I bet on the Colts. I didn't want us to win. It makes no sense for this terrible Pats team to win. And yet, it seemed like they were going to win and Mack

was like hold my beer and threw one of the worst passes I think in the history of the franchise he entered through Gusecki by 10 yards

it was a bad throw I know you know what I had him on a fantasy team I don't know if you're aware yeah I was watching can I say this though

with regard to you rooting against the Patriots? I feel like, and there's been so many bad, terrible versions of Patriots fans, horrific people you would never want to be around. I think this is the worst one. You're now rooting. Not only are you rooting against your team, because the subtext is, you can't hurt me because now I'm going to root against my team and they're bad.

And it's like, oh, you're, you're just impenetrable a and B you really think with all these bad quarterbacks that your GM is going to be able to figure out who to draft amongst these guys. We're like 40% of the quarterbacks are, eh, and then 10% are good, very good or great. And then everyone else is like,

forget it. They'll never play again. That's what I just know. When you end up with Joe Burrow or Herbert or whatever, you're just in it for the next 15 years. We just had it with Brady. I don't know if it's Drake May. Who knows with Caleb Williams at this point.

But I will tell you this. When Arizona came back and won today, I was on some texts. That was Arizona's second win of the season. So now it's Carolina's 1-8. The Giants and Arizona and the Pats are all two and seven. And the Pats play the Giants in two weeks. And that's going to be, that's the game they have to lose. If it leaves that game.

I hate this. I really do. I don't know why. Can I throw something weird at you though? Throw a brick at my head because I can't take this anymore. Is it crazy to think if they had the second pick that Marvin Harrison makes more sense? Oh,

Mac Jones. That guy, one of the all time slam dunk receivers that have ever come into the league. It's pretty great. Is he, is he like a slightly better AJ Brown potentially? What is he? You watch college football every week.

I love him. I do, but I don't, I also think, you also think there's like five good receivers every year. There's definitely not five good quarterbacks. I don't know. It kind of feels like you have to have a receiver at this point to compete. And then what do you do? You hope to get a Josh Dobbs?

I don't know. I'm just like, if they didn't get the number one pick, because it seems like Drake May has locked it down. Most of your friends, Pat's fan friends, think it's a foregone conclusion that you're going to make a great pick with a bad record. You're going to have a bad record and you're going to make a great pick. I just want an awesome player. I mean, really the way to do it is to draft the best left tackle and build the lines. Sure. You basically adopt the Lions way of building a team of just build the lines and then fill in around the trenches.

They don't build right. Yeah, there's a chance it's Belichick's last game and this was a really bad way for his Pats run to end. But ultimately, I don't think people remember it. He's in a tough spot

because he could quit and everyone's going to be like, no, he was fired. Whereas there was a time where he could have quit and everyone would be like, oh, he just stepped away. I feel like he's a month too late now on that. I've never seen anything with a football player like this Mac Jones thing. We had Tony Eason in the mid-80s and who is good. He was a first round pick. He had some good moments.

Like if you go back and look at his stats, like even the year after they got killed by the bears in the Superbowl, he was really good that year. And he lost his, he got sacked in the end zone by Rulon Jones, ended our season, the playoffs. He was never really the same.

He lost his confidence, never had a ton of confidence to begin with, but it was like a, when you have one of those baseball closers that kind of loses it and you're like, oh man, this guy has got the dare in the headlights now. This happened to us with Calvin Sheraldi right around the same time. Mack, what's happened to him over the last two years feels more like that than a quarterback thing. Mack was good two years ago. He didn't really make mistakes. For a rookie, he was really smooth. He moved the ball. He for a rookie, he was, he was really smooth. He moved the ball.

He had a lot of confidence. The guy now is like just broken. Is it wrong system? Is it, is it, what would he do be on the lines? Would it be in your top 15? Like maybe it is. I mean, I don't know. Is he just, is it too far gone now?

I don't know, but let's play a game. Worst, Worst starting quarterback Patriots point guard Celtics. 1974. Jojo White. I don't know. Have you had a quarterback just lose it like this though?

I thought for a while. It might be having it in his back. No, you're right. Yeah, the trajectory doesn't make any sense. Because, you know, there's been older QBs. Like that year, DeLom lost it. When you were watching, we were betting against him every week.

We're like, oh man, DeLom's, he's lost it. Then Kurt Warner lost it and then he got it back. But Mack, I don't know if he ever really had it, I guess would be the better question. Do you think there's like an injury? If an injury, a weird injury came out that he had for two years. I don't know. This has been two years of the worst possible throws at the worst possible times. There's a pro ball picture of him from two years ago. You know, he's like a pro ball alternate. Right. It's like him and Mahomes and Josh Allen or whatever. I forget what it is. Pretty funny.

All right. Washington Seahawks. That was the only other one. Washington blew it at the end. The only thing I'll say is Riverboat has lost it. I mean, I don't know what the... Might not go for two at the end? I don't know. We try to come up with a new nickname,

but he is a guarantee to not go for two in those situations now. I mean, he's not a river. He's like the partial raft that DiCaprio froze to death on. I don't even know what you call him anymore. Why not go for two on the road? You're Washington.

He's like the opposite of Double Down Trent. Yeah. He's like, I'm staying on 20. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like it just felt like the Seahawks were going to get the ball

and come down and get a field goal. So at least put them on the defensive. Titans, Bucs. Seems like Tennessee's done at 3-6. Yeah. And then it was good to have Kyler Murray back. That was another thing that happened today. It was nice to have a competent QB back.

But if Arthur Smith got fired tomorrow, I wouldn't be completely shocked. I don't think it'll happen, but I wouldn't be like, oh my God, they fired Arthur Smith because that team's had a lot of weird stuff. The only other game was Steelers-Packers where Pickett has six touchdown passes all season.

So they have as many wins as quarterback touchdown passes. They ran for 36 for 205 today. And if the Packers kept hanging around, hanging around, hanging around, and it felt like they were at least going to cover and lose by one, but they couldn't even do that. And the Steelers ended up covering by one.

This team is always around, whatever the spread number is. You never feel like they're going to get it. Right. So they're now six and three. And I've watched all of the games cause I've always bet on them or had them in something and I don't understand it. I don't, well, it's, it's not us. We're not being jerks. I know these fan bases get mad at us, but they have been out gained yardage

wise in every single game they play every game. And they have six wins out of the nine. And I guess it must be nice for the fans. I'm going to say something mean, to enjoy the wins knowing that there's no way this team could go far the way they work it out. Their defense is great most of the time. Quan Alexander is fun to watch. It's a bummer he's out for the year, but can they ever lose the way they win?

Jordan Love was not throwing a touchdown at the end there. It just wasn't happening against this Pittsburgh team. It's crazy because you could feel it. I was making jokes about it

four weeks ago and then it just keeps happening. The one thing that's not happening anymore is them losing the first half and then winning. So that seems like that. You ruined that. You never should have talked about it.

It won last week. We could take a week off. No, but you never should have talked about it again. You would have just kept cleaning up and making money on that. Yeah, that's all I got. Other than I wrote down Dak Prescott is the Jerry Cooney of QBs. That's not right.

That's not fair. She's beating tomatoes. It's like, oh. Jerry Cooney, best uppercut. Ask all the other doctors. Yeah. Dak Prescott beat Ken Norton. It's for real.

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Visit td.com slash smallbusinessm match to book an appointment with one of our advisors. All right, Sal, hold on to your seat. We have a good Thursday night game. Yeah. Somebody tell Al Michaels. What a trooper sitting through that slog of a game. That's good for him. How he hasn't accrued enough sick days to sit that one out.

I have no idea. Yeah, because Al's old enough that he could basically make up any medical excuse and they would have to take it at face value, right? He would skip a Sunday night game here and there. Remember, Tirico would come in and it would be like, I don't understand why he's has to, uh, fill all these Thursday night. Ravens home for the Bengals, two teams that just lost two teams that need this game.

And I would say it's even more of a must win for the Bengals. Yeah. And, uh, we'll see if Higgins plays. I put Ravens three and a half over the Bengals.

Yeah, you got that exactly. And I don't want to ruin it, but you're going to beat me this week. I was so far off. I'm not going to say which way I was off on all of them,

but it was the same thing. Exactly three and a half. I said two and a half. Yeah, that's, that would have been a big win for Baltimore. Like they could have, they could have blown this one.

It wouldn't have mattered as much, but Sunday marquee, by the way, not a great slate next week. win for Baltimore. They could have blown this one. It wouldn't have mattered as much. Sunday Marquee. By the way, not a great slate next week. No. Because the best game is the Thursday night game and the Monday night game. All right. The Sunday Marquee game. Brown Steelers.

AFC North has been the MVP of the NFL this season. It's in Cleveland I've really struggled with this Between Browns by three and Browns by two and a half Ended up with Browns by two and a half Are you going to still beat me? I said Browns by two

It's four and a half Four and a half Oh wow That's too high This was the first bullshit win of the year for the Steelers, right? That Monday night game where they, I think Deshaun threw a pick six and then a jump got hurt in this game, I think, right? That's too high because the Browns had, I think, the best win of this week

and that's never a good sign for next week. No, I think the Steelers defense can unless the Alexander thing I got to research that more that might have killed them I don't know how

like what their backup situation and stuff like that but I think maybe they'll be losing and then they'll score at the end and win

like Pickens will get free or something they'll win maybe I don't know could that have we seen

something like that it's always the same thing they cut to Pickens twice a game and it looks like he's just going to whip his helmet against the big giant fan or something. All right, so Browns, four and a half.

They put that in the Vegas zone. Kind of like the Steelers. I only have one watchable game. Texans, Cardinals. I think this is going to be a really fun game. Wow. Did you really just say that? Yeah. I think it's going to be a fun one in Houston. C.J. Stroud mania will officially begin this week.

I bet his MVP odds drop on FanDuel. And I have Texans by four over the Cardinals. You know, I said, I was like, this is going to be five and a half. This should be five and a half, but they're going to do something stupid because I didn't think that there's somehow Vegas is still favoring Arizona in some of these lines. So I'm like, I'm going to make it three and a half and it's five and a half. So you get close.

So they Vegas owned it. Yeah. You want to put this on a teaser. You want to put it on a teaser. Arizona is pretty confident When you think like They didn't have Humphreys They're missing their left tackle today They got Kyler

In his first game ever And they Hung around against That weird Atlanta team That's not Atlanta's not terrible They hang around against everybody It seems like

Kyler takes off It's fun right It's like Oh wow This could go for 8-11 yards or 75. This is nice. And then they put Clayton Tune in for the quarterback sneak at the one.

Just because he's still short. I thought Kyler looked fast. There were a couple today where I was like, man, that doesn't look like he had knee surgery. Fairly watchables. We have four. Jaguars home for the Titans.

This is a gambling stay away if I've ever seen one. I didn't know what to do with this line. I made it Jags by six. Man, this is the one I could have made ground though with you. It is six. That's what I have. We share that.

Yeah, I'm staying away. Seems closer than three and6 versus 6-3. Titans really could have moved the ball today. It was interesting. He didn't turn it over though, right, Levis? It wasn't that bad. No, he looked like a rookie though. It looked like they had had enough tape on him to be like,

oh, let's do this, this, this, and this. Yeah, he looked a little rattly. Dolphins are home for the Raiders. I'm going to go double digits on this one. Even though the Raiders have just won two in a row. I don't know how, but they did. I'm going to say Dolphins by 10.5. I said 10, and I think it's 9.5 unless it changed.

So I would get it. It is nine and a half. Yes. Okay. What do you think? Five and five. They're five and five. I don't know.

I, uh, I had the jets and I thought, you know, JJ had the jets. Uh, that was like a family bet on ringer wise guys. And like the,

you know, the Raiders lit up those cigars. That's a, that's automatic. The spread should move three points the other way. Cause, uh, you know,

maybe Antonio Pierce is the answer, but they're not, not after last week, they're not going to come back. And, uh, I was actually impressed that he got them back in that game, a game that looked like no,

no touchdowns are going to be scored, but yeah, the Jets Collinsworth was on it. I thought he did a good job today. He was on it in the first half. He was saying they were leaving too many points on the table in the first 20 minutes of that game. And then once things slowed down, the Raiders got momentum. That's it.

49ers are home for the Bucs. And I'm going to say they nudged this just high enough so we're not allowed to tease it. I'm going to say 49ers by 9. high enough so we're not allowed to tease it. I'm going to say 49ers by 9.5. Yeah, you'll get it. I said 8.5.

It's 10. Yeah, they don't want us teasing the Niners. Simmons, you know what's happening? 2004 is calling. Why? The 10.3 team teaser. Oh, it's time? Really kicking down our door here.

I don't know what you can do. I don't know if you have the Ring app or something that you could figure it out. What a great year that was. The Red Sox were making a run in the playoffs and the 10-point teases won every week and the Pats were on a 26-game winning streak or whatever it was. Well, we got two.

We had a great time that year. That was fun. And then the Dolphins ruined it all, right? I'm a little scared of the Bucs as a big dog. Yeah, that's fine. Have you noticed that twice a game, Mike Evans is just wide open 50 yards down the field for either a bomb or Baker overthrows it?

He just gets open twice a game for big plays. I have to think that defense is back and they'll rattle Baker and that'll be the answer more than anything. Maybe. White was running the ball well. I thought Tampa played well in that game. Bill's Jets

in Buffalo. A tough one because we don't know what the Bills are going to look like tomorrow. I have Denver tomorrow night. That was one of my million dollar picks. I like Denver tomorrow. I know you like the Bills. We're against each other on that one. Yeah, because they're like even to make the playoffs, basically.

And if they lose tomorrow, that's got to be it. I just like Denver to cover. It's either 7.5 or 7. Right. And I just, I don't know. I just don't see it with Bills. But for this one, I have the Bills by 8.5. I hit this exactly.

I said seven. And this is payback for that crazy opening Monday, right? Oh, right. Aaron Rodgers. All right. Here's what kind of week it is, Sal. We got a poopfecta that has five games in it, starting with your Cowboys in Carolina. Who did you pay off to get this

schedule this year? It's nice, right? It's unbelievable. You go from Tommy DeVito to reeling Bryce Young and the Panthers. We'll lose by three touchdowns on Thanksgiving. We'll make it up to everyone. Don't worry about it. Who do you play at Thanksgiving? Washington. Always gives us a fit. Yeah, that's sneaky. I'm going to say Cowboys by 14 and a half at Carolina. I went high too. Also too high, but it's 10. Really? 10.

Let me see. Is it a move? 10 and a half. Okay, it's 10 and a half now. What was your pick? I said 12 and a half. Oh, so you beat me. Yeah, I get that one.

Cowboys by 10. What do we, I mean, honestly. Oh, man. This is three-team teaser. Cowboys, Niners, Dolphins. Well, there's another one in there. There might be two more. Oh, the Lions.

Oh, we're doing this. Yeah. Niners, Cowboys, Lions. Lions is our next one. Yeah. Lions are home for the Chicago Bears. Probably Justin Fields, right? I think so.

Although I thought he was supposed to play this past Thursday. Do you think Dan Campbell is the number one coach that the people announcing the game love to get excited about? Yeah. As soon as he said the thing about kneecaps, everyone flipped that. Why? What did Romo? that the people announcing the game love to get excited about? Yeah, yeah. As soon as he said the thing about kneecaps, everyone flipped out.

Why? What did Romo? Are you taking a shot at Romo here? What did he say? No, no, no. It's just anytime it's like 4-2, it's like, Oh, Dan Campbell! Oh, yeah, yeah. And then they'll cut to him, and he's got the biceps going. They just fucking love Dan Campbell.

There used to be River Bowl run, and maybe he got shy. All of a sudden, he became bashful and now he's like, no, I don't want to give the announcers anything to chew on. Yeah. Now he's single down route run. No, I thought Romo was good today.

I thought he actually called a lot of stuff that happened and was pointing out stuff. There's a couple of times when he was saying, uh, the newness, Echo is going to run right here because this is open. And then Echo would run in the spot. It was like old school Romo.

I like it. You had a dinner with him. I think you rejuvenated him. That was it. It's amazing what some Wagyu beef can do to a man's persona.

He was good. I thought he was all over the game today. So I have Lions by 11 and a half over the Bears. Wait, do you get it? I said seven and a half.

It's nine and a half. So we split it. We normally never split like that. Okay. If you don't beat me, that'll get higher. All right. So Lions, Cowboys, Niners. Yeah. Or Lions, Cowboys, Miami.

So you're not taking Miami. All right. I'm scared of Miami and the Raiders. I don't know why. There's history with that game. I don't like Miami in a big spread game with two up. You just never know when he's going to get hit. All right. Chargers are at the Packers.

And this is the classic. The line is going to be a little too high because all the analytics are going to say the Chargers are much better than the Packers. So I'm going to say Chargers by two. Oh, wow. I said three. It's three and a half.

Oh. If you blow this week. Wow, what's so good about me? I'm not even winning this year. Well, I've had some really bad guesses. I have bad ones coming up. That's where you'll make your ground.

Chargers three and a5 at Green Bay. I don't like them giving points to anyone ever. What makes anyone think the Chargers are going to go in a Lambeau even against a crappy Packers team and just take care of business? That's a stay away. Yeah, I'm not betting

them anyway, but Jordan Love is uninspiring getting that ball down the field. Next one is Washington is home for the Giants. I made preliminary picks on Friday, and I changed this pick by two points. I have Washington now by six over the Giants. I had six and a half. I can't believe how far off we are with this. It's nine and a half.

This is another one that could be a three-team team. This is a red flag. This Washington team should never be favored by more than seven of them. You started this podcast and you didn't watch Tommy DeVito or that Giants offense. Was it that bad?

Also, they lost to them already. Didn't they lose 14-7? There's got to be a little bit of revenge Factor in here God damn it you're going to beat me It's a little rich though 9.5 Seahawks are at the Rams There will be

48,000 Seahawks fans at that game Yeah 45 Well this was another one Was that week 1 where the Rams won 30-13 Yeah I don't trust the Seahawks team I'm off by 3 points Well, this was another one. Was that week one where the Rams won 30-13? Yeah. Yeah. I don't trust the Seahawks team.

I'm off by three points. You got to steal this one. I had the Seahawks by one and a half. No, you got it exactly. Yeah, I said four. I didn't trust the Rams, but I think you're right. Seahawks might just be a fun team that's very average. Yeah, they probably should have lost the game today.

Thank God they didn't because they were in a lot of teases, but they barely squeaked it out. Sunday night, Broncos-Vikings in Denver. Josh Dobbs-Mania. We have no idea what this Broncos team, they might be really good

tomorrow in Buffalo or they might suck I like this I hope they're just okay so this will be a decent game I put this in the tic-tac zone at Broncos minus one and a half

you got it exactly I said one so we have two straight tic-tacs yeah three four five six seven eight to one two three four five six seven

you're up one I'm up one you're gonna get this Monday night Monday night Chiefs Eagles five, six, seven. You're up one. I'm up one. You're going to get this. Monday night. Monday night, Chiefs-Eagles in Kansas City. One of the three best games of the year? Oh, so much.

So much. You got the Kelseys. You got all of it. So much. You understand she changed the lyric to her song. And it's about Kansas City. I lost

my shit. It's not a great sign that he's flying around during this season. I'd have to go back and remember if Brady was traveling like this during bye weeks. If I was a Chiefs fan, I'd be losing my mind. Really? You're in Argentina? I know. You had two catches having like this during bye weeks. Yeah. If I was a Chiefs fan, I'd be losing my mind. I feel like you said you're-

You're fucking Argentina? I know. You had two catches last week. Right. He doesn't have like 14 touchdowns through the halfway mark. Yeah. Yeah.

I have Chiefs by three over the Eagles. Yeah. So we tie, so you win. It's two and a half. What'd you guess? We both said three. So you won.

You won the week. The line is two and a half I think I like the Eagles How about that? I like the Eagles in that game Yeah I think they're better Yeah This is great

This is really great It's a Monday night They both had a week off It's sort of Super Bowl-esque, right? Yeah, they waited There's two weeks in between games. It was a crazy fantasy week with having Miami and KC and Philly all off.

It was like a bi-week auction extravaganza. There were people getting picked up left and right. I had a trade for Mac Jones. That's how bad it was. Conference for AFC on FanDuel. KC's plus 220 Ravens have dropped to plus 550 same for Miami Buffalo's

8-1 Bengals plus 950 Jacksonville just got their asses wiped plus 950 Cleveland's 11-1 then it dips down to Chargers 28-1 Steelers 29-1 and the Texans are 32-1 and I can't recommend a single one of those

bets. Not one. I don't like any of those. Do you? I put a lot of money on the Bengals to win the AFC at plus 700 on Wednesday or whatever. Now it's 950. Now they're going to lose again Thursday. It's going to be like

15-1. I don't know. No, you're right. AFC is a mess. And is it weird as a Cowboys fan that I saw the Niners play well? And I'm like, oh, good. I'm glad they're back. I'm glad the 49ers are back. I just feel as a football.

We just needed more good teams. I felt. Yeah, we need more good teams. We need more than three good teams. Can I tell you another interesting anecdote here? It is now 9.37 Pacific time. So they have all the win totals for all the teams, the adjusted win totals.

Oh, they're out already? Oh, nice. Look at that. Yeah. So like Arizona is still four and a half, et cetera, et cetera. New England, not on the board. Really?

Why is that, you think? They got a bye week coming up. Why would their win total be gone? Hmm. Makes you wonder be gone hmm makes you wonder really yeah makes you wonder doesn't it

but why would would it be affected if the coach who can't win steps aside I don't maybe it's so low that they can't even

make the money back at this point it was five and a half before this week I had my my BS boost today that we put up it was Seahawks minus two and a half Lions minus two and a half before this week. I had my BS boost today that we put up. It was Seahawks minus two and a half Lions minus two and a half parlay.

They boosted it to plus 220. And it hit. And it cost FanDuel $2 million. Really? Suck it, FanDuel. $2 million. They're kind of a big sponsor. I don't think you should do that.

Oh, I shouldn't taunt them? That's why they're going to taunt you by putting the Patriots over two and a half. What would it be? Three and a half? Well, like I said, it was still five and a half going into this week. They took the Giants down too. Oh, sorry, Dayball.

Maybe it's all the bad teams. I don't know why they're doing that. Last thing, make the playoffs. Bengals, yes, minus 132 now. I love that they have this up here already. Wow. Yeah, fantastic. Yes, minus 132.

Vikings, yes, minus 230. So they were basically dead even 24 hours ago. They were plus 225 two weeks ago. The Jets are up to plus 520. Pittsburgh's plus 116. And then, oh, Chargers. Wait, what are all those other AFC Norths? Chargers are plus 210.

Oh, yeah. Cleveland is minus 340. That's too high. And then Baltimore is minus 950. You know what's most amazing about that division, which is the best division, obviously, it's so physical, and

all four starting quarterbacks stayed upright. I was going to say erect, but upright. And erect. And erect. Nice and erect. I was going to say a wreck, but upright. And a wreck. And a wreck. Nice. Nice and a wreck. I think my favorite one is Atlanta is still

plus 184 to make the playoffs. Ugh. Like, they stink. They might fire their coach tomorrow and yet there's still

like a puncher's chance they could do it. And then our stupid New Orleans team, I guess they took that one down. That's gone too? Seattle's minus 340.

Man, this is a really good season. Let me ask you this. We've been around betting forever. We know if we bet the Bills to make the playoffs at minus 134 and the Bengals to make it at minus 132, we're definitely losing one of those. We know we can't collect on two minus 134s. That's amazing. That seems a little improbable. Quickly before we can't collect on two minus 134s. That's amazing.

That seems a little improbable. Quickly before we do parent corner, because I can't tell you how much NBA I've watched. What's gotten into you? Because we moved. I have a better TV setup now. I can actually watch basketball and hang out with my wife at the same time.

It's phenomenal. I think we all have the same bet. That's not up right now, but the Clippers did not make the playoffs. Oh, there it is. Plus 146. I love it. Clippers, no playoffs is plus 146. Memphis, no playoffs is now

minus 235. I don't think either of those teams are making the playoffs. Really? Okay. The other one that's fascinating Houston now is yes. Plus three 50. And they, they've looked really good the first almost three weeks, but they had mostly home games,

but I think they're legitimate. I don't, I think they're at least a playing team. So it's good. This can be one of those situations in the West where we're like, I can't believe that team didn't even make the plan. There's gonna be at least one of those. Right.

And it'll probably be Memphis or the Clippers. The Clippers thing is an all time disaster. Cause now they're going to have to trade. They're going to have to blame it on, Oh, we got to trade Russ and they'll trade Russ. They'll trade Russ to like Miami and he'll be awesome in Miami. That'll be my prediction.

You can't feel bad for them at all. I got them at plus one 90 to not make the playoffs. And I was tickled when I heard they got hardened. I was like, okay, let's move that up. You know, Cleveland got Garland back and looked really good this weekend. And they're 11-1 to win the East. And it's a little low,

but I thought from a value standpoint, I thought that was pretty good. But the better one is they're plus 160 to win the Milwaukee division. And those odds were like 5-1 before, but I actually think they could win the division. I think Milwaukee's a real mess.

They don't play defense and they're just old and slow. And they're so vulnerable to one of those guys missing a game. You know, I'm looking at this. You could take a lap for your NBA in-season tournament winner. Well, not a prediction necessarily, but you said like these odds were two. Like the Celtics were like nine to one.

All the good teams were nine to one. Celtics, Bucs, nine to one. They're all down now. I don't know. They play like one, two games. They were plus 950 Denver and Boston. I was like, that's too high. They got to fix that. Yeah, now it's half of that.

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Learn more and find a car you'll love today at CarMax.com. All right, what do you got, Sal? All right. So my kid, he's nine. He won his flag football championship today. It's going to be 10. Not a big deal, but it is for my wife and I, because we figured it out. Between our three kids and four or five sports, they've been on about 40 teams with like playoff structured season endings, right? This is the first championship out of 40 teams. And by the way, the trophy is the same size as the ones downstairs where he came in sixth place. The participation

trophies? Yeah, exactly. They're all the same size. It doesn't matter because they have to get the names on them. But it was pretty cool. He plays with his cousin, my cousin Mickey's son, Michael, and it was great and it was very exciting and He plays with his cousin, my cousin, Mickey's son, Michael, and it was great, and it was very exciting, and the parents are all terrible. And the final game that we won, it's just 25 people chanting defense really loud, which is annoying. In baseball? No, this is

flag football. In football, they're chanting defense? Yeah, baseball would be even dumber. Well, baseball would be even weirder. Yeah, I meant football. Yeah. No, it's... So that's annoying, but at least you're not saying bad things to other kids

because in the semifinal game that we won, we had a guy, there was a questionable call by the ref and he flipped out on the kids. And he went to his kids and said, that's it. Let's show them what you're made of. I want you to shove it down their throats right now. I was like, holy crap.

And we're all looking at this guy, and no one tells him that this is wrong. And there's a woman shaking her cowbell to distract our players. And you got the coach screaming and a woman shaking her cowbell when we're on offense. And we win 18 to six and I get up and I say, what happened?

What happened? Nothing got shoved down our throats. And I'm looking right at the guy and I'm like walking. I was like, I thought you were going to shove something down our throats and we won 18 to six. And I'm like, I'm making a big thing out of it. My wife's crying and I'm like walking I was like I thought you were gonna shove something down our throats and we won 18 it's and I'm like I'm making a big like thing out of it my wife's

crying like cut it out stop it don't be don't go to his level I'm like oh I'm going to his level I don't care I am right there I'm going way lower and like the coach is pissed he's walking off in his roid rage I'm like come on do the do the tunnel you know when the parents do the tunnel you're doing soccer and football do the tunnel with us coach parents do the tunnel, you're doing soccer and football. Do the tunnel with us, coach. What are you doing? I'm completely taunting him. And by the way, the other thing about it is the woman who was screaming and ringing the cowbell, one of their players got hurt and she ran over there and she's like, oh, I can help. I'm a nurse. I'm like, you're a nurse? You're freaking throwing this cowbell around and creating a scene? Anyway,

the point is I'm a lunatic and I'm not going to last another eight years with this 10-year-old with sports that I imagine he's going to play through high school. You're going to have to read about me. One night, your house is going to have to fill in because I'm in jail and I'm too tit for tat. I don't

let idiots get away with being idiots even though the kids couldn't care less. But I'm just warning you. This should have been a moment of pure joy for the kid. And I'm a jerk, and so is everyone else. Well, I will just tell you that nine years old is usually the apex mountain for parents acting like complete assholes. And then it gets a little better each year.

I think it's something about eight or nine because they were just little kids, but now all of a sudden they're just competent enough to be in exciting games to watch and people just lose their minds. I don't know. I don't remember this. I mean, obviously we have older kids and I don't remember this like 10 years ago.

Is it like social media? Yeah. I think football is something about flag football gets people crazy. Yeah. There's no question. Everyone's a bigger asshole now because it's clear that you could be mean to people on social media and everywhere else, and that just translates to the weekend.

COVID probably didn't help either. Yeah, COVID. So wait, whose sideline was chaining defense during a nine-year-old flag football game? That was the good, the other team. That was your parents? No, no, no, no. That was our opponents, the other team. That was your parents? No, no, no, no. That was our opponents in the final game.

But that was a cakewalk compared to the semifinal game where the coach was telling us what he was going to shove down our throats. Very weird. Chaining defense is just bizarre. You don't like the defense? No, these kids are nine-year-olds. This is, especially boys, nine and 10 are the sweet spots of just boys crying

on the field at any given time. Yeah. Especially in baseball. That's where you have like the little league pitcher gives a, you know,

walks one guy and gives up one hit and he just starts sobbing when the manager comes out. Little boys are all Fredo. Yeah. It's like

12 Fredo Corleones out there. Can't yell at them. Yeah. I'm going to jail. I'm going to have a similar fate to Fredo, I think, unfortunately. Did anybody know who you are at these games? I don't know. I'm sure this doesn't help me talking about it, but I have had people come up to me. Love listening to you on Sunday and listening to you scream at my coach. My parent corner, we lost another dog this week.

We lost Olivia, who is, I can't say she was my favorite dog, but she was with us for almost 15 years, but she had hit this point, I don't know, maybe like a year ago where it really seemed like conceivable she might live till she was 30. She was like, couldn't hear, couldn't see. And it was just, it was like, how long is this going to go? So I was like, you know what, this is, it was a good run. That was kind of my attitude.

And then this weekend, you kind of look around. It's like, I'm watching the stupid football game at 6.30 in the morning and she would have been staring at me waiting to get fed. And I was like, wait, do I miss this dog?

What's going on? So I'm kind of battling the emotions of, it's like, is this dog like a bigger part of my life than maybe I wanted to admit? Because I was always like, Rufus was my favorite and then Murph's my favorite. And she was always kind of the, the stepchild in some degrees. And my wife loved her, but, um, so yeah, I'm kind of,

kind of trying to figure it out. But what's interesting is I was gone with Murph when, when she passed away, but Murph's stupid. Right. So I think he thinks she's coming back. Oh, really? And she's been gone for like three days now, but it's, you can't talk to your dog. So I think he thinks she's coming back. Oh, really? And she's been gone for like three days now, but it's, you can't talk to your dog. So I don't know what he thinks. He doesn't seem extra depressed or anything? No, not really. I think he just thinks she's on her way back at some point. So I'm going to have to tell him at some point. You break it to him. That's going to be tough. I'm going to have to tell him.

So anyway, the whole, my whole point for this is, so we're down to two dogs. Yeah. And I'm good. I'm like, this is great. We got Jessie, who doesn't bother anybody. Great dog. She just stays out of the way. And then Murph, who's almost like three dogs.

I'm like, we're good. We're not getting another dog. So I kind of agreed on that. And then today, my wife's know, I was looking at cats. And I'm like, what? What the hell? We're not getting a cat. She's like, well, what?

So I just know like these next two months are going to be a nightmare because this is what happened with when we got Olivia initially. We had Daisy died and we were like, oh, we'll just have Rufus. And then all of a sudden

my wife was on Pet Finder and the next thing you know, we had Olivia. So I just know my wife is the all-time mark right now for somebody to stick a pet on us. Right. You shouldn't have told me that. That's good. That's a good prank for me.

Yeah. Yeah. If you want to prank me, just start sending my wife pictures of dogs that need to be rescued and cats. Pictures. I'll just leave them at your doorstep. What pet would you hate the most? I just don't like cats. I don't like cats at all. Also, there's no guarantee that cat's going to get along with the dog.

There are cartoons that ran for five decades illustrating this. Well, that's what I said to her. I was like, Murph is the all-time idiot. if we get a cat his whole life like right now he's feeding with the squirrel outside our house his whole life revolves around

running outside and trying to see if he can catch the squirrel like the cat's gonna be that times 40 so like we're gonna bring a cat in

like he's gonna he's gonna lose his mind do you think she's setting you up do you think she's setting you up like cat cat

cat and then you're finally like, all right, fine. We'll just get a third dog, which is what she wanted in the first place. I think it does feel like she might be manipulating me. Yeah. Because then she was like, well, what if we got a smaller dog like Olivia? Right. Like what kind of small

dog? I don't want like a barking small dog. So then she's Googling small dogs that don't bark and there's all these searches for it. It's like the Boston Terrier, pretty quiet. And who knows? I don't know what's going to happen. I'm already dreading it.

Well, I'm glad to see Ben has won. I have won and I think he might be dumber than Murph. He really doesn't know what's going on. I rarely hear him make a noise. I have one and he's, I think he might be dumber than Murph. He really doesn't know what's going on. Uh, so yeah. And I,

I rarely hear him make a noise. So no, there's going to be no interrogation. One's good. Two's good. Olivia hijacked my parent corner, which really should have been about the fact that my son was at camp Flogna all weekend at Dodger stadium, seeing Tyler.

Oh yeah. Kendrick and baby Keem and all these people that he loves he's two straight days it's still going tonight in the mosh pit he's like oh somebody threatened

to stab me in the mosh pit last night and I'm like oh my god what is happening you need a better you need a big dog

I think well that's the other thing I was thinking if we get a third dog why not get like a giant like get like one of those big awesome Newfoundlands yeah

right yeah big like cuddly like I've always loved those dogs so if we're gonna do it I'd rather like actually do it I don't wanna do like the half-assed we were a dog short

so all of a sudden we have you know Tyson Bajent who has to start for us. I want to get like a franchise quarterback. I like leasing cars for this reason. I could have a new different car every three years. No, but it's like, all right, if I drive for 60 years, God willing, I'll have like 20 cars.

That's kind of cool, right? Yeah. You're a dog right? You should have, you're a dog fan. You should have one kind of every dog. You haven't had the giant dog yet, right? I haven't had the giant dog that's like out of a movie yet. No. Yeah. So either the Great Dane

or the Newfoundland. The problem is they have the short lifespans. Like the Great Dane is like, it's like nine years. Right. I like Great Dane. What about a is like nine years. Right. I like Great Dan. What about a giant cat? That's it. That's the compromise.

I just don't like cats. A little cheetah. No, I mean like exotic. You got to go big. Like a bigger one. Yeah, a panther, cheetah. Like a mountain lion? Yeah. Did you see there was this one thing recently

where there are these people breed wolves with domestic dogs. They're called like a hybrid, really hybrid wolves. And there was one on the loose in the Bay area. And it's like, if you see this, don't approach it. It's not a dog.

Who's breeding wolves and dogs. I don't know, but have you ever heard of this? The hybrid dog. Dan Latham wants one so badly. He's been talking about it. Is that true? Dan Latham wants one so badly. He's been talking about it. Is that true? He's making moves on one, I think.

And they're not totally legal, right? I don't know. He said he talked to a guy about it. That's all I know. Kyle, what do you think we should do for a pet? I think you go medium dog or big dog. I think just get it out of the way. That way you won't be stuck with rabbits like me. I was just going to say,

do you still have your rabbits? I could probably drop her off. What's she going to say? She's got to do something. Kyle, if you bring any fucking rabbits over here, I will kill you. Damn it, you should have just done it. Kyle, let me ask you, when you come over, if we had a third dog,

what would be your dream dog for us to get? That you'd be the most excited about? Like a Great Dane? Yeah, like there's some Japanese Akitas. Yeah, something big. Something extraordinarily big. The Akita's good. Those are very

loyal, good guard dogs. Something remarkable. I know we're going to end up with a third dog. I know it's gonna happen god damn it I like this I can't get a cat no I don't get a cat

the cats suck sorry Mallory I know Mallory's listening I'm super upset cats no you can't not at this age you don't get a cat

right now you don't get cats if you don't like cats just not a cat guy alright that's it for Parent Corner today's Parent Corner is brought to you by Car like cats. He's not a cat guy. All right. That's it for Parent Corner. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by CarMax. Parenting is always going to be a little tricky and filled with split-second decisions,

but buying a car doesn't have to be with CarMax. You can take a full month up to 1,500 miles to love your car or return it. That's the 30-day money-back guarantee. Learn more and find a car you love today at CarMax.com. All right, cuz. What do we got? I got a couple things cousin sal's winning weekend uh friday 10 a.m uh we're gonna have eli manning on i talked to him we worked a few things out much like you did when you went on manning cast uh i told him i hate his guts and he understood he probably hates me too it's weird when you want you just want to hate these people and they end up being good

and funny and you know knowledgeable and likes pranks and that kind of sucked but there was that Against All Odds podcast twice this week

Ringer Wise Guys that's going to be on Sunday you like that show and Through the Ringer with Tate Tuesday morning and happy birthday

to our cousin Jimmy yeah 60 years old. Can't believe it. No, no, not quite. He's not there yet. 54,

55, 56. I think he hit double nickels last year. Yeah. 56. We're going to have a dinner to celebrate on baby doll. So we'll maybe report on that. Well,

do you want to tell that story really quick? Baby doll offered to pay for the dinner. Oh yeah. Yeah. But I think he's setting a cap on it and he's being a little vigilant and he's expecting you and Daniel to do the right thing. Yeah. That's the word in the street. Good luck to him. I wish him a lot of luck. He says, we're all older. And I know the cousin, I know he loves to joke about padding the bill, but these are different times and he would never do that. What's the most expensive dog we could buy for you and add it to this bill somehow? I don't know where we'd have to

go. Oh man, I'm going to end up with a Newfoundland. I love it. I've always loved those dogs. All right, cuz. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cousin Sal. Thanks to Steve Cerutti and Kyle Creighton as well. Don't forget about a new rewatch of us coming on Monday and the Prestige TV podcast. I think we're doing The Crown and a couple other shows as well. And don't forget about the Ringer Dish, the new Guilty Pleasures that's going on there. And don't forget about Rob Hervilla's new book,

60 Songs That Explain the 90s. I will see you on this feed on Tuesday. Doc Rivers coming back. See you then.