The Bill Simmons Podcast - Cowboys Tripped, Jameis as Favre 2.0, Sad Lions Thanksgivings, and Sweater Parlays With Cousin Sal | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: November 25, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss Patriots-Cowboys, 49ers-Packers, Eagles-Seahawks, Jameis Winston and the Buccaneers, the annual Lions Thanksgiving game, the Titans on a roll, and more (3:08), before they guess the NFL lines for Week 13 (53:20). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Ever since we've done the podcast, the same result has happened. I am just glad, Sal, we're here on the day the NFL finally cracked down on this heinous tripping epidemic. Thank God. I think everyone learned their lesson. We'll see this heinous tripping epidemic. Thank God. I think everyone learned their lesson. We'll see a lot less tripping, maybe less injuries. And even though your team lost, I think we're better off in the long run. That's true.

I don't know if we'll see less tripping, but we'll see less of when offensive lineman's knee inadvertently hits the other players. A rushing lineman's knee, maybe, the other players a rushing lineman's knee maybe and then he fell we might see a little more of that I said to my son I was like this has a bad feel this game I think we're more talented at maybe like 15 out of the 22 positions

and yet you mix some rain in there you mix some cold weather and you mix some Garrett versus Belichick and it's going to be bad and then you mix some Garrett versus Belichick. And it's going to be bad. And then you mix a bad. I said, there's going to be a bad, bad call down the stretch. I swear I said all this.

And tripping was like 15th on my list of possibilities. Yeah. I didn't think it was going to happen. But it did. It actually happened. You don't see it too often. The only person more upset than you is Troy Aikman, who just berated Mike Pereira. Yeah. In front of a live TV audience.

Good. You need more of that. You need a lot more of that. Here's what I'll say. the new is Troy Aikman, who just berated Mike Pereira in front of a live TV audience. Good. You need more of that. You need a lot more of that. Here's what I'll say. I'll say two things. One, I agree with you. The tripping was bad. It bothers me though, that it gives you an out. It gives you and the Cowboys fans and all the hatred haters, now you have an out because this dumb tripping call on third and one, which by the way, if you get it, if let's say they don't call it, now you have a first down on your own 36 with a little over two minutes left. You have all three timeouts. You've scored nine points in the game total.

The weather's terrible. And the Patriots have one of the best defenses statistically in a long, long time. They've given up 117 points all season. What makes the Dallas fans think they're just going to roll down those last 65 yards and score? We'll never know. But what makes you think that? Oh, well, I don't know.

I listened to you last week. I had to hear 20 minutes about how the Patriots, the nine and one Patriots now 10 and one suck. So that's what I was banking on, that this team sucks, that you and all the other Patriots fans, like Hench and everybody that I'm watching the game with, who was delighted when that idiot Jason Garrett goes for a field goal attempt with five and a half minutes left.

How dare you cut it to four? Good job by you covering the spread. But do you know how lucky they were to even get the ball back at that point? How many Patriots games you have to see over the years to know that they're going to they're dying? Every Patriots fan was right. You're delighted to know that they're kicking a field goal there.

And by the way, it's not a gimme anyway, in the cold and the rain and everything else it might miss. So well, even Aikman talk about Aikman there. He's like, no, good. You missed there. You pin him back. I was like, what? We might get the ball one more time.

What are you talking about? And you shouldn't have gotten the ball again. I actually thought the coaching on both sides the last 10 minutes was really bad. But to me, it was the whole last set of downs leading up to the field goal to cut it to four that never should have happened. But you'd second and seven. You basically do two incomplete passes that, you know, we're fairly low percentage against the best secondary in the league versus like just thinking it's four down territory. What are we going to do?

This is our biggest thing in the game. We can't, we can't not come out of this with seven points. And even if we do come out of it with no points, at least they're pinned on their own five. And instead it was like, ah, dumb pass play. Ah, another dumb pass play.

Ah, field goal. And you never should have gotten the ball back. I don't know what the Patriots are doing. All of a sudden, we're doing wheel routes to Rex Burkhardt. Rex Burkhead. Burkhardt. Who's Rex Burkhardt?

Rex Burkhead. But I didn't like the, I didn't feel like we killed enough clock either i don't even think you should have gotten the ball back it was just weird it was a clusterfuck i didn't like it i i really and like i don't know like jerry jones is dancing around it you know the whole thing he's like this team is too talented to lose he's saying all the things a an owner a gm whatever he's supposed to be at this point, would say right before he fired a coach, a head coach, and yet, is it going to happen?

I don't know. I mean, even the worst coaches in the league win a game based on what they've done to a game. Jason Garrett was not going to win that game. I was like, I wish we could fast forward this because this is not the kind of game that Jason Garrett wins. You're right. I could point to tripping and everything else,

but I just knew in the rain, every cutaway they have of his face and not the Belichick look he didn't look like Jude Law or anything on the sideline there, but he looked pretty weathered himself, but I knew that was the winning coach right there. I didn't have to watch any more of that game. It's so frustrating. You had these different formations

and anytime you kind of did that jumbo package with Zeke, Kyle and I were terrified. And if you're spreading out with all the receivers, it's like, great. We have the best secondary in the league. Please throw on us in a rainstorm. That'll go great. What I didn't want you to do was just rush Zeke 36 times and slow the game down.

The kicker probably, I don't know, he could have made one more potentially. There was a bad drive where on the, on the last field goal, the Pats got where they somehow went back backwards, 10 yards when it seemed like they were going to put the game away. That was weird. I, the play calling was just intermittently bizarre. And then on your side, like it just comes down to the little things and you could see in that game, like your, your kick returner being all the way back in his own end zone on that last kickoff. When every kickoff that I think either team did to that side, what did it land on? The 20 with the wind? And every time the Cowboys were blindsided by this. Oh, my God.

It was a miracle they recovered that last kickoff. Look at that. Oh, it's a short kickoff. Yeah. You're kicking it in the wind. He's not getting to the end zone. But I just thought it was really sloppy on more on Dallas' side, but even New England's side.

Well, I thought, if you want to know like one minute, one brief moment that I thought the Cowboys might win, Michael Bennett makes the big play. Yeah. Oh, maybe. Maybe something.

A little bit calm. I don't know what you would call it, but this could be turning around. But what kind of odds could you get on zero fantasy points from Amari Cooper and James White? It's just such a weird game there. You can't pinpoint. I mean, I knew going into the game that Dak wasn't going to pass all over me.

I had four touchdowns last week. This defense is allowed for passing touchdowns all year. That's not going to be the kind of game we're looking at here. But it was even worse than that. I feel awful about it, but I'd feel a lot worse if the Eagles had won that game. I think the Pats defense is really, really, really good. And if you throw the weird Baltimore game out,

the secondary is the best in the league. Danny Shelton's been really, really great in the middle. And the linebackers have been good. And it's just hard to move the ball. And even that one Randall Cobb play when he finally broke one, it was pretty fluky because the guy who was chasing him ended up, it was like a pseudo pick play, even though it wasn't. And he got bounced off.

And it just, you know, you would think that would happen four or five times a game, and it just never happens against the Patriots. It's surprising when it does. Gilmore was just outstanding today. And he is moving up the ladder of best Patriots of my lifetime. He really is. He just takes dudes out. And even if somebody completes something on him he's right

there like draped all over the guy uh it wasn't a great matchup but i mean you have you have like got three deon sanders guys great like you you really do like yeah gilmore what does gilmore have does he have six interceptions yeah he's and he could have had more yeah well that but that's what that goes back to the tripping thing and that's why i more yeah well that but that's what that goes back to the tripping thing and that's why I'm a little annoyed that that's going to

be a storyline tomorrow especially with the Patriot haters it's like you still had to go another 65 yards the weather was getting worse

you'd thrown every single play you had you only had nine points in the first 58 minutes of the game

like yeah maybe maybe I don't know maybe you get another Randall Cobb type thing, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. Well, it doesn't matter what you have to think.

How about they just call it right. And then, then we could see, we could actually see in real life what plays out. I thought Sony Michelle had some really good runs today too. And that was the other thing, but the pets were really relying on young dudes. You know,

Harry had a big drop. Jacoby Myers had four catches, but he also had a couple of big drops. And Harry had a nice push off though, to make up for it for the first touchdown. I think about how would the Patriots score? How many points did that offense score? If not for that.

I think you needed the game more than New England did. And I thought Troy, who was all over the place in this game and was just really, really rooting for Dallas, was kind of rare. Usually he plays it in the middle on a Dallas game, but this one he was really all in on Dallas. I'll say this.

You have a lot of tough players defensively. I mean, I'm not making anything up here. You got all the McCourty's, Gilmore, Collins, Hightower, you know, Hightower, Hightower, Shelton, Shelton guy,

like all these guys. And you could say a chunk of it, but they, the, what they do is like, now you have a tougher schedule coming up, but I honestly think, you know,

your next game is in December. It's getting colder. I think the tough schedule balances out with the fact that it's getting colder and you have tough athletes who know how to play football too. And that's what's going to spell the difference. Now, do you need a new kicker to make it to the Super Bowl? Maybe that really might be the case. It was rough because I think 42 is about his limit. That was what he made his last kick. I think anything over 42, I just feel like he's not going to make it. The thing with Dallas, I thought Aikman made a really good point. Dallas needed this game for a lot of different reasons. Whereas if the Patriots had lost,

I think it would have been all right because they could have pointed to the wide receivers and bad weather, all that stuff. Dallas needed to make a statement and to only put up nine points is pretty rough now you look at new england for the year they've only given up 117 which is crazy because only three teams and they're one of them have given up under 200 points this season right and the next team is like buffalo's at 173 and then baltimore under 200, but they play tomorrow. They're going to go over 200. I, I think Baltimore knocked people off the scent of how good this Pat's defense was. And again, I think that was a relatively weird game that might go differently the next time. I think the Pat's defensively are really good. They know who they are. And Troy made some really good points about Brady kind of understanding what kind of team this is,

that this is a run the ball, control the clock, win with defense kind of team because they don't have the weapons. I don't think Edelman's the same. I think he's lost maybe a half step. He was never open. Your defensive backs are not that good. No.

He was never open the whole game. I think it's tough to to lean on the past game. You know, I don't know. I just it was wet. It was bad. It was all bad. Both passing. You know, they were going to win.

That was going to be a coaching decision. You said the Cowboys didn't make a statement. I think they did. The statement is we have to get rid of Jason Garrett. It has to happen. It just has to happen. I have friends like call me like, hey, I think I'm done. I might be done if

they don't release him. They don't fire him this year. I don't think I'm watching next year. And it's like, yeah, it's true. It is like watching the same bad like series or whatever. Like when they see us and just keep watching it all over and over and see if there's a different ending. I don't think there's a different ending for this team. Well, Jerry Jones

got a little feisty after the game, maybe to knock people off the scent a little bit. Who knows what his motivation was. But it feels like it's all leading to you sticking the Giants with Jason Garrett next March. Oh, please. Which would be a great gift for you, right? Now he stays in your life,

only he's coaching your least favorite team. It would be a great gift and a great gif or jif however you want to say it just him clapping in giants uh hoodie it's like a yankery christmas swap right here's jason garrett oh thank you thank you he's got a winning record this is great um is amari cooper he how healthy do you think he is on a scale one to ten like a 6 like he missed part of the game he was gone for a while no I know yeah I guess and he came back and everything but he was blanketed and the few replays

they showed I'll have to watch the all 22 but on the few replays they showed he wasn't even really close to being over and then I think he had two targets the one was called back no good but yeah maybe not fully healthy well here's your depressing Patriots number they've only scored 50 points in November The one was called back. No good. But yeah, maybe not fully healthy. Well, here's your depressing Patriots number.

They've only scored 50 points in November. Right. I think they're going to get some receivers back. But I guess the blueprint for this team as the season goes along, we're kind of running out of time, is a better version of that last Mannings-Broncos team that won the title, right? Right. Where they can do more offensively,

they have more weapons. He's much better than noodle-armed Peyton Manning was that year. But the same kind of thing where let your defense win these games, do enough offensively, manage the game, don't turn the ball over, and just kind of hang around.

My question is, what happens in a playoff game if they're down 10? You know, and they have to air it out. That's when I start to... And you'll have to make field goals and things like that too.

So there's certain areas you can tighten up and be okay come January. Walk me through your emotions if there's a Pats-Niners Super Bowl and two weeks of Brady versus Jimmy G. All that stuff. My emotions? What are your emotions if there's a Pats-Niners Super Bowl and two weeks of Brady versus Jimmy G? My emotions?

What are your emotions? I'm rooting for San Francisco. What do I care? I just can't let your team win. Kyle and I discussed it as we watched the Niners killing the Packers tonight. Yeah. And we decided that it's a big win for us. Because if Jimmy G ends up beating the Pats in a Super Bowl, it'd be terrible.

But at the same time,, came out of the system. It feels like we get like a small piece of the trophy. Right. It's like one of our guys. If Brady hadn't won a Super Bowl since the Brady, Belichick, Jimmy G whole decision-making thing, it'd be a different story. Like, oh, we screwed up and we could have had one more. But you do have it. I mean, it's been gravy for years, but

it's extra gravy on the Jimmy G side and that you've won since you shipped them off. We could do the whole the only team that can beat us. We have to create the quarterback and nurture ourselves. We can only beat ourselves. Nobody can beat us. Yeah. I'll talk myself into a Niners-Pats

beating. Last week, we did the Niners-Packers line. And both of us thought, wow, that's crazy. Packers, Aaron Rodgers Sunday night. And as the week went along and the Niners started getting healthier and healthier, and I thought about the game more and I looked at it and just tried to figure out the Packers were a little smoke and mirrors-y. The Niners had been on TV a couple times.

Now they're a little comfortable in these national TV games. By Sunday today, I was telling you I wanted to bet on the Niners. You loved it. Tell me you wanted to. You did. I wish you would have. By the way, you're red hot. I should have just followed your lead there instead of

taking the Packers in a teaser, getting 10 and a half points. It settled at three and a half. Right. The big thing for me is I didn't feel like the Packers totally needed the game. They did, but they didn't. And if you look at their schedule,

they just have a bunch of crap. They have one tough game left against Minnesota. They have a two-game lead in the wild card. They're tied for the NFC Central. They know the big game of the year is going to be them versus Minnesota I think the game just meant more to the Niners that's why I gravitated to them

I went the other way a little bit I said Green Bay, first of all I was looking at Roger's stats on Sunday night, he has like 55 touchdowns and 10 interceptions I said they got beat up on the West Coast when they played the Chargers they might want to prove to someone that they know how to travel. Yeah.

But when they put the ball on the field, and we've said this before, the Niners defense looked faster than ever. I mean, Packers, I don't think, had 200 total yards. Yeah. Kittle being back was huge. It feels like their whole offense falls into place when he's out there. Do you want to cover that guy, maybe? I don't know.

The pressure Garoppolo will cover the gigantic tight end that's not going to be tackled. We know that we always say every year on this podcast that right around Thanksgiving is when I want to know what my team looks like. Right. And I think this team, whatever the journey it took to get there for the Niners, this was the week that they were kind of like, hey, this is who we are they were kind of like, hey,

this is who we are. This is what we're going to do. Jimmy, with a lead, has been really good. We'll see if there's a playoff game when he has to create some points coming from behind, stuff like that. It might not matter. They might have all their games at home. He's had a couple of good games.

Last week against Arizona, he's down 16-0 and comes back. I didn have all their games at home. He's had a couple of good games. And good, I mean, like last week against Arizona, he's down 16-0 and comes back. I didn't think he could do it, even against Arizona. But he did it. And then tonight, like you said, they put their stamp on it. This is their new identity. Now, next week they play Baltimore. I believe it's in Baltimore. So we'll have another chance to evaluate them.

Baltimore, two tough games in six days. Tough one. So San Francisco's 10-1. Saints and Seattle right behind them a game back. And what's crazy is they haven't put the division away yet. So lots more to discuss. We're going to take a break. Let's talk about Square.

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Loan subject to credit approval and issued by Celtic Bank member FDIC. All right, I want to talk about my favorite player this year. Not my favorite person, but just my favorite player other than Lamar Jackson. If I had to say non-Patriots,

who have I enjoyed the most? Lamar would be one. Jameis Winston would be second. I have both Bucs receivers in fantasy in the league that you and I are in. Every week I start both of them and one of them has a huge week. And if you add both of them together, it's great. More importantly, every play with Jameis is the most exciting play of the day on any of the TVs you have. He might throw a pick. He might throw a 70-yarder.

He might throw a pick. He will throw a pick. He might scramble for a 20-yard first down on third and 15. He might just drop the ball. It's all in play on every play. And the announcers don't really know what to do. They're showing graphics I've never seen. They showed a graphic today that he's on pace to become the first quarterback ever to average 300 yards a game and two interceptions a game in the same season. Wow. I don't even know what that is.

Wow. So I went through, I did some research because I really think he's Mr. Excitement. I kept coming back to, he reminds me of Favre after Favre won the Superbowl. When Favre hit that weird stretch, like right around when you and I got to know each other, when we were kind of like, remember we would sneak bet against Favre? We'd be like, everybody thinks Favre's better than he actually is. And the line would always be four points too high for Favre. Crossed with Eli Manning. Eli, who I think has a reputation, the Giants fans think he's a Hall of Famer. You look at his stats, they're just not nearly

Hall of Fame-y, except for the playoff stuff. So I looked at Jameis' stats. This year so far, 2019, he's thrown for 3,351 yards. 2007, Eli Manning, for the whole 16-game season, 3,336 yards. Jameis, 22 TDs, 20 picks. 2007, Eli, 23 TDs, 20 picks. They both lost four fumbles. We basically recreated Eli Manning. Are they going to win the Super Bowl this year? They might. That was the year to win the Super Bowl this year? They might.

That was the year Eli won the Super Bowl. Brett Favre from 1999 to 2008. 10-year span here for Brett. He averaged 3,830 yards, 25 TDs, and 19 picks. That feels like kind of a Jameis season, right? I think he's the logical successor to these guys. Wow. Well, I'll say this.

I think neither of those guys had the talent that he has thrown. I think Godwin and Mike Evans are phenomenal. Yeah. And you put them on any team and it's a can't miss. I can't make excuses for the interceptions, although that was the one bet I won. It was minus 225 that Jameis was throwing an interception. He went in six minutes. I don't know if you saw, but I tweeted. I said, it was minus 225 that Jameis was throwing an interception. He went in six minutes. I don't know if you saw, but I tweeted.

I said, this is a winner. As a matter of fact, this is a winner by 116 Eastern time. This is going to hit. And it was 112 Eastern time when Jameis threw his first pick. I think his second one was like at 135 or something. What were the odds for him throwing one pick? Minus 225. See, it seems like it shouldn't be, will Jameis throw a pick?

It should be more the over-under on the time of the game, right? Oh, the time of the game. Well, they have one and a half also. You could bet a few. The time of the game is fun, too. But I want to be able to bet Jameis will throw a pick by 125 Eastern time. Right. That's it.

Jameis will have two picks by 244 Eastern time. You know, we said, we tried to like say like what, I think we compared him to, I said, Salvatore Belomo or Iron Mike Sharp. Yeah. No, he's better. I think we said the whole team. I think he's Arturo Gatti. Oh, yeah.

Right? I like it. Isn't that him? He'll get knocked down like six times in a fight and win, but just very exciting to watch either way. He's the over-under on a typical Jameis game in 2019 is he's going to throw for 340 yards and have three TDs and two picks. That's a standard Jameis game in 2019. And when he's on the TV, I don't care how many games you have going, if it's him or Lamar this season,

and either of them are going back to pass or scrambling or doing anything, it's impossible not to watch. Is that the most scatterbrained division in football, the NFC South? Because I think we know the Saints are going to win it, but that's too, I don't want to say stinkers at home and a road for the Saints, Atlanta, and now Carolina, but could have maybe lost both and only lost one. That's a weird one because Carolina looked dead last week. And we see this over and over again, the last six weeks of the season, when you have these divisional rivals. I had one of my million dollar picks was Baltimore Moneyline with Saints Moneyline

on Thursday in the podcast. And then as we got toward the weekend, I started sweating it out even before the game had started yet. And I thought this could be a new term for us, the parlay sweater. And I want to do this when we guess the lines this week. That one bet that just see, and you and I do this all the time, the minus 480, the minus 520, the minus 420, where we just 20, the minus four 20, where we just go, Oh, I'll throw that team in my parlay and then I'll get better odds. And you just kind of check the, check the box that the game already happened and you won the bet. And then all of a sudden Alan number two is, is throwing touchdowns left and right. And you're like, Oh my God, that the Panthers are driving. I'm going to. I'm going to lose this stupid parlay I did

when the game I really cared about hasn't even been played yet. I like the parlay sweater. I think you may have stumbled across, forget the million dollar pick, you may have stumbled across a million dollar merchandising idea. The ringer should start selling parlay sweaters. Then you sweat it, your face on it, just like drops of sweat coming from your brow. Well, I have the Parley sweater this week already.

Oh, you do? Not to step on Guest Alliance. But yeah, when we get to Panthers Redskins. Oh. That's our Parley sweater. That's all the Redskins, they're done. They're going for the number one pick. Or going for the number two pick, whatever.

I would say this, though. I don't know what happened, because I had the Saints on the money line. I was going nuts the whole time. They're up by, what, 13? Yeah, it was done. It was 14-0. Was it 14-0? Yeah, I thought it was. And then it was like 27-14. Something stupid. Anyway, McCaffrey, I'm fine with him

having 170, 180 all-purpose yards all said and done but that last drive before the half when they was it third down they just just a little swing pass out of the backfield and no one's within 12 yards of the guy and then he's like a foot short of the goal line

which seems to be his thing yeah and they run the same play like right you have the end zone backing you up why is he wide open again to get that to get that score so uh i don't know what sean payton's doing sometimes with this defense but it should be better how does breeze look to you man it looks like he looks like he looks like he did exactly the right thing and playing that game before they're by and stealing that job from bridgewater because i think there would be rumblings about whether he's the better quarterback for

them right now. Have you noticed, and I never felt like he had a cannon, but he had a couple throws today that he would throw the ball and then they would cut to, or the camera would follow the receiver and the camera was almost following the ball slower than normal when somebody guns a ball. Oh, interesting. I just don't know if he, I don't think it's Peyton Manning noodle arm territory. But he has throws, especially over the middle where it seems like anybody can get the, like any defensive back can jump in in time. I don't know. I don't think he looks that good.

You know what's interesting? They could, you know, they have like hang time for a punter, which I don't think they do anymore. Do we even see that anymore? Ever? No, I used to enjoy hang time. What happened to hang time? They should have camera speed. How long does it take

the camera to move for his 30-yard passes? Well, Breeze would be slow. Right. I'm sick of the QBR, which is a nonsensical stat anyway. Let's see camera speed. The Panthers

that had a feeling starting around near the end of the second quarter that this was their Super Bowl. And if you had the Saints in a parlay like we both did. Well, it wasn't that kicker who you sent to Canton, Ohio, the rookie kicker. It wasn't his Super Bowl, that's for sure.

He's going to be begging Vince McMahon for a job in the XFL next year. Has anyone ever missed more PATs and made more 50-yard-plus field goals in one year? It's like, talk about feast or famine.

In the dome. I was thinking, you know how we have all these stats for everything now? Yeah. There should just be a stat called,

and I don't know what the acronym would be, but the stat should be called our kicker fucked us. Because Vinatieri has two this year, right? O-K-F O-K-F-U's?

O-K-F-U's? Yeah, that's good. Vinatieri has two O-K-F-U's. I think Joey Sly might have two O-K-F-U's. So the team has it though, right? Our kicker? Yeah, it's gotta be. but it's gotta be like, yeah,

yeah. I guess it would be for the team. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, the Colts have two Ocfus and Carolina has two Ocfus. We were saying,

especially speaking of these Ocfus, like, I don't know, like a month ago, I feel like there was seen a lot right down the middle of the goalpost. Now everything, even if it's in, it's barely in with a lot of these kickers,

even the good ones. It was funny everything, even if it's in, it's barely in with a lot of these kickers, even the good ones. It was funny that, that Philly game today where there was a couple, I like that one. There was a couple of kicks that just, that took like almost right angles. Right. Tough times for Philly,

man. I mean, they, they listed their receivers that suited up. I started feeling a lot better about the Patriots. At least we had Julian Edelman and a couple of rookies. Harry was drafted in the first round. The Eagles had guys that if you went to FanDuel,

they were the league minimum for whatever the position is. Yeah, right. The $3,000 or whatever it is. These were the guys that were actually starting. I got to say, not only that, Wentz looks like he's taking some hits and some of them are taking a little longer for him to get up.

I think he's looking at the calendar and saying, hey, remember how I missed the last two Decembers and I kind of have this deal, this clause in my contract that nobody knows about where I don't have to play December? Right. I feel like we're getting closer and closer to that. He's not long for this.

They're five and six now. Would you rather have Wentz or Jameis? I'm not sure they're that far apart. I don't know. He's a little more solid than Jameis. I know what you're saying. It's entertaining, but I don't think I could take that every week. I can't take my team every week.

I couldn't take Jameis. I think Jameis should absolutely be signed by somebody next year if the Bucs don't bring him back. But I actually think they should bring him back. I like him. Evans looks like he's almost done. There's four or five times a game when he just has the body language of like, man, this fucking guy.

Like the same way Westbrook's teammates would look at OKC the last couple of years, where he's clearly a little frustrated but I don't know you and I both watched a lot of football on Sunday he still can sling it and he can still create plays with his legs yeah I like that Tampa team I think he's top

that's the thing like they all play hard especially when they play each other right in that NFC South and it's enjoyable every week. I had them today for most points scored. And I was all excited about it. It was 15 to 1. You were like, oh, that's a good one.

Yep. And then the Browns just kept kind of going and going and ended up getting a 42. But I thought the Jets were going to get there at one point. The Jets were lingering. Were the Browns favored this week? I didn't even end up checking. The Browns and the Saints, I think, were the two favorites.

They were tied, yeah. Should have known with the Browns. The Jets are all right. The Jets, they make me feel good. You know, they beat the Cowboys. I'm like, hey, beat more playoff teams or near playoff teams. And they really took it to Oakland. Sam Darnold, he has like seven touchdowns and one interception in the last three

games. Sam Darnold does. He does. Yeah. Well, I'd like to caution the jets fans. Cause you know, they beaten down fan base.

Let's, let's be honest. I think they're, they're, they're perpetually cautioned. I don't think you have to caution. No, they,

they've, there was a couple of Sam Darnold moments when they really went a little haywire. I would just play it cool the rest of the way. Be like, hey man, you excited about the Jets? Yeah. I mean, the season's over.

We should instruct them on how to answer questions. Hey, you got to be fired up about Darnold, huh? You know, it's only been a couple games. He looks good, but we'll see. It's, you know, hopefully a lot of getting excited early on or for no reason. You know, whether the Jets are, whether the Jets

four and seven, they're probably not. We're going to cross them off next week, probably, right? Oh, they play Cincinnati. Maybe not. I don't think we can cross off any seven-loss AFC team yet. But any, and the Eagles, right, theagles down double digits doing touchdown dance i don't know what do you say yeah that's as a coach what do you say that's tough i will say the jets look fast yeah they're fast today adams is a top 10 player now

for sure i still wouldn't trade two ones for him. No, I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. Hey, can I tell you about Crown Royal? Last year, Crown Royal launched the first off-the-field water break to encourage fans of the game to moderate and hydrate to stay in the game. Whether you're watching in the stadium, watching at home or in a bar, have a great time. Enjoy some Crown. Don't be that person that ruins it for everyone. Make the right call and take a water break. Sal, who made the right call and take a water break sal who made

the right call this week or not um in my book the right call is made by dionte wilder saturday night had a match against luis ortiz tough first match probably was losing a lot of the rounds in the first fight and then uh then a big knockout at the end 40 year old luis ortiz and took it to him yesterday was ahead on all three cards by three points on two and then one point on one card and invited his time in the seventh round smashed ortiz's head well you know it's a good punch when like in the replay you see like um three gallons of condensation leaving the guy's head yeah just. Just an explosion. You know, this is like a gender reveal,

but with a glove and condom and water between rounds mixed with sweat and knocked him the hell cold. Barely got, didn't get up at 10, counted him out, wilder by knockout, just like he promised on my podcast. I told him, I was like, hey, you're killing guys and you're threatening to kill guys in the ring. And that's why people don't want to fight you. Say you're going to give them a massage or something. He's like, no, that's not my way. I don't operate like that. And that was that. Good job by you, Deontay Wilder. Here's the thing though. Ortiz dominates the fight. He's just in complete control. And wow, they're one punch. Boom.

Hits him on the top of the head. Yeah. The rarely seen, usually when you're watching it live, you don't understand how it was a knockout. And then they showed the slow-mo and it's like, oh yeah, that was a direct hit to the brain. Yeah.

All the fluid from his body left. Yeah. That was a good one. What's yours? I have, I'm also going Saturday Night Pay-Per-View. Ben and I watched the NXT that did the takeover last night.

Oh, yeah. I saw you tweet about it. Yeah. This is the right call by these two guys to do a move that I thought was the most terrifying thing I've seen on any sort of steel cage thing. It was Tommaso Ciampa, Adam Cole, basically did a reverse,

what do you call when you have the guy in a headlock and you lean back? Suplex? Top of the cage, right? Top of the cage. They landed on a table and Adam Cole didn't break his neck. And I've just never seen a move like this.

And I don't know how they did the whole practice for it before the men, all that. But man, the right call is whatever he did to land on the table and not hurt the other guy. I've never seen a move like that in my life. Do you see that move? I saw what you posted. It was phenomenal that they pulled it off. And then I was thinking to myself, maybe you're different, or maybe I'm just getting old. I don't think I want to see in wrestling anything more violent than I've already seen. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's no next level to go to. Yeah. Like the undertaker throwing mankind off the cage to me was like, holy shit. And that was 20 years ago. Insanity. That's good enough. I don't need to see it.

I don't need to see the most violent hit I've seen on a football field either. But you do appreciate it. That was amazing that both of those guys could walk today. Yeah, the NXT, they're really, really, really pushing NXT hard. Survivor Series happened today. NXT actually won more of the matches. Yeah, my boys were watching it on the computer. That might be a red call to crown Royal reminds everyone this football season

to take a water break and moderate to stay in the game. All right. Next topic. So we're going to do guess the lines in a second. And this is one of my favorite guests, the lines every year, because we're, we get to do the Thanksgiving games.

There's another tradition. Some people think Thanksgiving is the tradition. It's part of the tradition. The other part, the less known part, less discussed part is just a sad Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game. And we veered away from this a little bit. The Lions were actually pretty confident. They had a couple of 9-7 seasons with Jim Caldwell. And now we're back. Now we're back to wake up on the West Coast. People

are cooking. It's 9.30 in the morning. Football's on. And you're just conditioned to go, oh man, this is the best. This is why I moved here. Thanksgiving football. There's turkey being made. There's a cheese plate being passed around. There's liquor already. This is the best. Let's turkey being made. There's a cheese plate being passed around. There's liquor already.

This is the best. Let's all hang out. We'll watch some football. And then the Lions just take a shit all over it. And we're back. 2019, we're back. Well, here's what I remember it as. I remember these Lions games.

Always the first game. They're always home. And some poor ass equipment manager has probably not had thanksgiving dinner with his family for 40 years or something yeah but i remember it being usually like an afc team coming in a better team steelers or broncos or something they're like a six point favorite the lions are winning most of the game and they lose and either cover don't cover or cover, but they lose. And,

but this year, it's different. I guess we're not guessing the line for this, but. No, we're going to do it in a second. This quarterback matchup

is spectacular. Matt Patricia is now 9-17-1. Lifetime. I tried to warn everybody. I tried. I did my best. I was like,

be careful. Be careful what you wish for. The Belichick coaching tree is not really a tree. It's just a bunch of branches that break off and crash to the ground. The Lions famously have had the one playoff win since 1957. What I think is interesting, because now we're at the end of the 2010s, five of the last six decades, they started and then finished without a playoff win, including this one that just passed and the last one. And the last win I think they had was like 1990,

91, something like that. We were both in college. Yeah. They have no playoff wins this century. They don't really have, I would say a lot lot of hope either. They're still in that no man's land of they're not in the mix to get Joe Burrow or whoever. And they have a lot of money. A ton of money. A lot of money going to Stafford. They need to find a coach again. I guess they'll get rid of Matt Patricia. And they're starting out this new decade the same way they've started out

almost every Lions season. You know what the saddest thing is about that? And I get emails from Lions fans. I think it has to do when you and I talk about the most tortured franchise. Like, we always give it to Cleveland or Buffalo for losing the four Super Bowls or whatever. We don't mention the Lions.

We put them in the top three or so. We don't give them. And even that, we're like torturing their fans there. Like, oh, at least give us this. We can them in the top three or so. We don't give them. And even that, we're like torturing their fans there. Like, oh, at least give us this. We can't even have this that we're the most tortured fan base. No, I'm sorry. But the way you spell it out, maybe we should. Maybe we should

anoint them. Yeah, tortured is a different kind of word. When was the guy Theon on Game of Thrones? He passed the point of being tortured and he was just like kind of demolished mentally. And that was it. He passed the point of being tortured and he was just like kind of demolished mentally. And that was it. He was just,

he didn't have hope anymore. He just played out the string until he died. And it feels like the Lions fans and the Redskins fans are in that spot right now. The difference is

the Redskins fans have actually had a lot of success and they remember what it was like when it was great and this owner came, he ruined everything. But think about this. The Lions get a holiday ruined every year.

Yeah. A lot of teams can't say that. Our fan bases can't say that. Imagine the joy you just explained for football and game that we don't care about other than wherever our bets are and fantasy players. These people start their Thanksgiving off with an L most of the time. Right. I remember when I was writing, it might even have been before Grantland, I was doing a mailbag before Thanksgiving and I was doing a whole thing about what on the sports are Detroit won't be able to get Thanksgiving games anymore.

We're just taking this from them. Yeah. Who decided Detroit gets a home game every Thanksgiving? Why do we have to keep doing this for the rest of our lives? Let's take this away. Let's give this, you know, let's make it more of a meritocracy. And I got some really sad emails from Lions fans. Really? They want this. They were just like, look, man, I I'm 42. I've, I have one playoff win in my whole life. Barry Sanders is the only good line ever. With Calvin Johnson, he retired early too. I have nothing.

All I have is this one Thanksgiving game. Now you're going to take this. Can we just have this? It's the one thing the league feels is special. We get to host a home game at Thanksgiving. If you want a loss showcased every year in front of tens of millions, I guess, fine. That's good.

Well, the Matt Patricia thing, I'm sure that ends. Maybe this will be a Jason Garrett home. You need to spend your Thanksgivings with Jason Garrett. Please do it. The only other thing I wanted to mention before we do Guess the Lions is Tennessee is now 4-1 in their last five. Yeah. I had them in a parlay today

with the Bucks and the Ravens. Very exciting. Those four wins, Chargers, Bucks, Chiefs, Jaguars, they lost to Carolina. They are 6-5. So are the Colts. Texans 7-4.

Titans play the Texans twice in week 15 and week 17. We talked about this last week about you can't, you know, can't cross off the Titans. Can't count them out yet. Now we have a four-way tie at six and five for the last wildcard spot. Pittsburgh, Oakland, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Oakland, which is to shit the bed game today in the Jets. And Pittsburgh gets it right now if there's a tiebreaker for the six and Buffalo gets the five, right? Yeah. And the Steelers fans, I include Pat Muldowney, my beloved ringer coworker, very sensitive about the Mink of Fitzpatrick trade. All the Steelers fans are on Twitter. I'm sure Damoshek, he's probably still crafting his perfectly clever tweet about it today.

If the season ended today, it's only the 22nd pick. Pretty sure I'd rather have Mika for Fitzpatrick. You could do a better Damoshek than that. I don't even want to attempt Damoshek. I don't want people to turn this off. Let's play out the rest of the season first before you start talking about how you only gave up the 22nd pick. I still think it's a good trade,

but, but settle down. You're probably going seven and nine. Yeah, that's true. We let's take a look because they don't know week to week or quarter to quarter who their, their QB is.

So yeah, you turn their game on and it's like, and there's Hodges. It's like, wait a second. I thought Rudolph was in what happened? Like Devlin. Is it Devlin or Mason? Like, like these are two kids on my son's soccer team. Devlin and

Mason, you're in. You have to rest in the third quarter. Grab an orange slice. No, but with Tennessee, though, I'll say, well, we do forget with them, and I like to write them off, but you can't because, well, first of all, that division's kind of a joke. I propose that that Thursday night game with Houston and Indy be the last AFC South game we need to see because this division, I don't need to see it anymore. Everyone has the same uniform. I can't tell everyone apart, but I will say this about Tennessee. This is Derrick Henry season.

We forgot. You got pumpkin latte spice lattes, and you see more like holiday lights being put up and everything. And then Derrick Henry is carrying D-backs in the cold weather and linebackers. And a lot of fantasy teams as well. I asked Kyle today,

is Derrick Henry officially the rich man's Leonard Fournette? I think he is. Because before you would have said he was the poor man's Leonard Fournette, but I think they flipped. It's a little bit. I mean, I'm surprised when I see a Leonard Fournette 75-yard run.

But with Derrick Henry, I'm surprised if I don't see one in the game. Yeah, Tennessee, here's the thing. They start out two and four, and that includes they score seven points against Buffalo and then zero points against Denver. And that Tannehill ended up playing in some of that game, but you know, two and four and then four and one, I don't normally get carried away about the momentum, especially with teams that aren't like great teams. But in this case, you could, you could make a clear argument that if they had

Tannehill the whole time, they could be 8-3. Could he have been worth two wins? Because we're watching Tennessee those first few weeks going, wow, Mariota is killing them. He's just killing them. And now Tannehill's been actually pretty good. It's weird

to me, Tannehill, because he ran for two touchdowns and every time I see him take off I'm like oh he's so slow why isn't anyone catching him I don't get how this is working here he's been pretty good

he's the lead but here's the thing what do you do with these six lost teams so is nine and seven really going to get the six because if that's the case

maybe we already spoke too much about Tennessee because they're at they're at Indy and at Oakland the next two. Well, do we have any new cross off teams?

Um, we are up to this week. We had bears, Bengals, Broncos, bucks, cards, dolphins,

Falcons, giants, jets, lions, Redskins. I think we could add the Panthers, right? We could probably add the Panthers,

but we may have to bring the bucks back. I don't know. We have to uncross the bucks. I don't know. Now, maybe they're the Bucs? I don't know. Maybe they're just a fun team that's just never going to make it. But, I mean, the NFC took a little bit of a hit today. I guess Minnesota was off. So they're...

Actually, Minnesota and Seattle will be the wild cards no matter what. I feel comfortable keeping the Bucs crossed off. Even though they have Brett Favre and Eli Manning's modern baby. Yeah, that's true. AFC, New England's 10-1. Ravens, 8-2, potentially 9-2 after tomorrow. Bills, somehow 8-3. Texans, Chiefs, 7-4.

So now we're getting close enough that we really have to start thinking about that Saturday Shakey's game, the Shakey's classic. And we've talked about it on the last couple of podcasts, but odds are it's going to be Houston, I would guess, would be the three seed unless the Chiefs just get hot the rest of the way. But if Houston drops to four,

then it's Houston hosting Buffalo would be the Shakey's game. Yeah, I don't think the South team will get a bye, and if they don't, whoever wins that division and hosts their playoff game, well, that'll be the Shakey's game. Yes. Either way, Houston, whoever the AFC South team is, will be hosting the Shakey's game.

Right. It's not going to be the Chiefs. They're not putting that on first game Saturday. But the four quarterbacks who could be the road team in that Shakey's game, whoever the fuck is the Steelers quarterback, I don't even know, Hodges, Rudolph, Devlin or Mason? Devlin,

David Carr, Derek Carr, one of the Carrs, Jacoby playing on one leg, he's definitely not healthy and Ryan Tannehill unless unless Cleveland

can just run the run the table and go 10 and 6 which I don't think is going to happen but yeah that's good that could be an all-time

bad Shakey's game that'll be fun alright we're going to take one more break then we're going to do Guest Lines let's talk about ZipRecruiter

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Man, this is a good one. Mitch Trubisky and the Bears traveling to Detroit to play Matt Patricia and Jeff Driscoll. Enjoy your mimosa. Enjoy your Bloody Marys because this is happening. I have Chicago laying three and a half in Detroit. Enjoy your bloody eyes for having to watch this. Chicago favored by three and a half? I said

Chicago one and a half and it's one. Oh, no. They are not trusting Mitchell here. Mitch had three of the worst throws I've ever seen in my life today. Two of them were picked. He had some bad... Oh, yeah, those were bad.

But that end zone pick was terrible. And he didn't have great rushing numbers, but he took off a couple times. And I think that's what they're missing with him. Work that into your playbook. Figure it out. It's really, really weird that they don't just use him like Buffalo uses Josh Allen.

Right. Where he just doesn't seem nearly as dangerous as Josh Allen does. Meanwhile, I would say athletically, he's right around the same. I swear I thought I saw Nagy roll his eyes after an overthrow by Mitch. You don't see that from a coach. You see a little stern admonishment, but you don't see a coach roll his eyes. I really think I saw that.

It's tough. I beat him 2013 two weeks ago, right? Chicago beat Detroit. I'd block that whole game out of my mind. Next game, your Cowboys. The good news about this Pat's loss is they get to just play again. They get to play Josh Allen

and Buffalo. Assuming they roll, then everybody would be feeling good again heading into a little 10-day break. I have the Cowboys favored by seven points over Buffalo. You got it exactly. I went low. I was really down on this team. I was in a bad mood when I made this pick.

I said four and a half, but yeah, you hit it exactly with seven. I think it's a little bit high, but I'd like to return the favor for you beating the Eagles last week. So anything we could do, just let us know. There was a word on the street, according to my sources, that you were very upset after this Pats game today. Oh, really?

I really was. I stormed out of Corolla's warehouse. I didn't even clean the food that I bought for everyone. You did a storm out. I did. What was your last storm out? Well, here's the worst part because Clay Travis, I play against Clay Travis and Todd Furman on the game. And in order for him to beat me, he had Dallas plus seven. So towards the end, when I knew they weren't going to win, I was like, all right, well, New England's going to try a field goal here. There's really no way they're

going to get. And then they did that stupid thing where they didn't, you know, so. They threw the ball out of bounds. I got killed everywhere. My team lost and the cover didn't even happen. So I was just so angry. The person working the clock didn't just tick off the rest of the time. Well, that was interesting too. Like you can't, that, were you weird?

Does that make you think like, to me, that's like when my father forgets a name or something, forgets like three names in a row. Yeah. Did you feel that way about Belichick slipping a little? They left a second on there? Well, the play took six seconds. They just decided to stop the clock after four. They stopped the clock.

The ball hadn't even hit anything yet. I thought it was until it touches something, the clock goes. I don't know. Is it when you touch something? Could you throw something into the crowd and wait until it hits the 14th row? I thought it's like when it goes out of bounds. When you stormed out of Corolla's house, did you say goodbye to Donald Trump Jr. Or no, you just left Tucker Carlson, Donald Trump Jr.

Yeah. They all, they all sold me off. Our friend Corolla. Last game Sunday night, man. I don't know how they did this, but we have three shit games. our Frank Carolla last game Sunday night man I don't know how they did this but we have three

shit games I guess Cowboys before we move on from Buffalo sorry about this but yeah the Frank Gore thing and I get letters

like hey you guys don't mention Frank Gore yeah there's a reason good for him he passed Barry Sanders today I can't explain it I think about we talked about this before,

how are you going to describe Frank Gore to your children, your grandchildren? And Hench said something funny. He's like, I'm going to say he was a guy, when my team played him, I wasn't afraid. And when I played him in fantasy, I wasn't afraid. That's how I'm going to describe him. And he racked up so many yards because he was so adorable over the years.

But I don't know about, and I guess he's a Hall of Famer, but was he ever taken the first two rounds of fantasy? Oh God, no. No, right? Never? 49er score? He just was,

I guess so his second year in San Francisco, 2006. Yeah. Almost 1,700 yards and 500. So 1,695 rushing, 45 receiving, and he had nine touchdowns. So he must have been a first rounder that year. All right. I guess so. But after that, he never topped like 1,200 yards.

He only had double figures touchdown one more time. And we're going to get shit for just looking at the guy's fantasy numbers and trying to compare them. Listen, if there are people defending Frank Gore, I think they need to reevaluate things. Frank Gore is fine. He was a really good running back for whatever reason, a long time. And if you can bet now after we badmouth him that he scored over under three and a half touchdowns against the Cowboys,

definitely go over. It's going to happen. Well, I think the weirder thing is this is 15 seasons for him at a position where people just get jettisoned after like seven years. Yeah, right. Then you look at Barry Sanders who played 10 and could have played three or four more.

Yeah. It's like he stepped away from the game. So I guess Cowboys-Bills is technically a good game because it's two playoff teams. But I still feel like I'm not going to enjoy that that much. I don't think the Bills are that good. Our last game is the night game. They were feeling really good when they scheduled this. Saints-Falcons in Atlanta. They were fired up. A lot of great games between these two teams over the years. And this won't be one of them. I have the Saints favored by six and a half in Atlanta.

Oh, wow. You hit it exactly. I said five and a half. Why are you so sure? I thought we just said the NFC South is, you know, they come at each other like gangbusters. Atlanta's not good. That's the bigger game.

The whole Atlanta thing. I was watching the pregame shows today and they were interviewing Matt Ryan. They're like, Matt, how would you explain the turnaround? It's like they won two games in a row. What is this? This is the 2013 Red Sox? Right. Coming back? Stop it.

So this isn't your teaser sweater right here? No, because the line's too low. Atlanta won 26. I mean, they won two weeks ago. That was the big crazy upset knocked everyone out of their suicide pools is this Al and Chris? yes

I believe so they played last Thanksgiving also same game Al I just I don't think the ball is coming out of Drew Brees' hand in the same way Al I just don't. I don't think it's the same. You just, you look

at his camera numbers and the jib is just going so slow from the 20 to the 45. 4.2 frames a second, Al. I don't see it. Our Sunday marquee game is a really good one. Baltimore is home for the

49ers. Not only a Super Bowl, not too many years ago, but a possible Super Bowl this year as well. I had, I did. You heard Kaepernick's flipping the coin, right? No, I don't think he is. No calls yet

for him. I can't believe it. Thought the phone would be ringing off the hook after that heavily orchestrated. Don't you understand? This guy loves football. Give him a call. I have Baltimore by three. I had three and a half until that Niners game. And then when I saw the Niners

game, I knew that they would be bumped. This is a classic Ravens by three, in my opinion. Well, not so classic. You should have stayed with three and a half because you would have tied me. And the real number is five. Wow, really? It is strange to me because Vegas does seem to give San Francisco the benefit of the doubt.

Six and a half point favorite against Seattle. Three and a half tonight, even though, you know, could have been three, but now they shifted the other way. I think they're sick of losing money on the Ravens. They've been so far off with that number. Well, if they look good tomorrow, I can see it, but that seems a little early to have that line. I'm surprised.

This will be a good test. Not only having the Monday night in LA, but then having to play the Niners five and a half days later. This is a nice little gauntlet for them. We'll see. There's a lot of pressure on San Francisco.

It's unlike, well, I guess Green Bay has Minnesota nipping at their heels. But the way Seattle wins and the fact that they keep winning, San Francisco has to keep it going too. I have five games in the watchables. And the rewatchables. The watchables. First one, Colts-Titans, AFC South battle. The Colts really gave one away last week.

And I think of all the six and five teams, they're probably the one that's record could be at least a win and a half higher. I know we don't have half wins, but six and five feels like underachieving. I've watched a lot of Colts. I thought they should have won last week. I have the Colts favored by three and a half over the Titans. Oh, son of a bitch. I had it also, and it's exactly three and a half.

Damn, I needed to win that one. It's a borderline loser leaves town match. Yeah, it might be. It's not official because I still think 9-7 can make the playoffs, but man, whoever loses this game is in rough shape. They'd be 6-6, right? Yeah, I agree. I agree.

It's just tougher. There's just a lot of teams in that cluster. And the Colts won 1917, middle of September when they first played. But you're right, and you're all over this Colts team from late August. But they play their tempo. They play their tempo.

They play their game. I agree. They should have won Thursday night. You know, some questionable Frank Wright calls. I felt like Deshaun Watson can hit the 40-yard pass better than he can the six-yard pass. But credit Colts defense for that too. Yeah, the D-backs screwed up a couple of times.

They screwed up the end. It was a clusterfuck. But Deshaun is like a basketball player where he's not having a great game, but then he can just hit three threes in a row. And you're calling timeout because you're like, oh shit, what just happened? Deshaun just got nine points in two minutes. And you're calling timeout because you're like, oh shit, what just happened? Right. Deshaun just got nine points in two minutes. But he does have the ability to all of a sudden the game flips. And you're watching that, especially Thursday night, it's 17-10 Colts.

They're in complete control of the game. And then all of a sudden it's 2017 Texans. You're like, what the fuck just happened? Right. The other one that is a potential loser-leaves-town match. This one, I feel pretty comfortable saying is a loser-leaves-town match. It's Steelers-Browns. Yeah. Browns lose. I don't see it because I don't think they can win four in a row ever. Steelers, if they lose, they're six and six.

I don't know. What are they going to run the slate? Maybe it's not an official loser leaves town, but it feels a little loser-y. I have the Steelers at home giving two and a half to Cleveland. I think if the Browns lose, it's loser leaves town. They're five and seven at that point. I think they'll be out.

I guess Pittsburgh could lose. All these teams are in the same situation. They have six and five. I'm sorry. What did you have? I had Steelers two and a half. All right. I had Steelers three.

You're not going to believe this. The Browns are favored by one. So you edged me out there. Is that crazy? I mean, probably not a lot of difference between Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges, but if Devlin Hodges is your quarterback, he's your quarterback. He should seem better. In that case, are the Browns, should they be favored on the road?

Doesn't make sense. I don't know if you know this, but these two teams had a big fight like 10 days ago. I know. I want him to play so bad. That Garrett thing was an unusual sports story where all of a sudden the racial slur thing comes out and everybody just kind of looks at it flips it over a couple ways and and goes i'm out stayed out of this one yeah i'm out either way hey everyone considers the stakes on both arguments they're like i'm out i'm out let's just let this one pass. I had a, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And also, if he had made a racial slur, wouldn't we think his African-American teammates

would have not taken his side almost immediately? The fact that this came out six days later was crazy. But also, I did a bit this week on Thursday Night Football. It was great. The pregame show. Good one. Thank you. I was a lawyer representing athletes

who have been assaulted on the field, and we had Gabby Reese do a testimonial, and we had Booker T. Yeah, we had a horse who claimed he suffered damages when a little person rode on his back for six furlongs, whatever. But we are editing this for the show, and

then the racial thing comes out. I'm like, oh, crap. This sucks. Everyone's going to be serious about this again and we're going to have to kill this. But luckily cooler heads prevailed. It wasn't that big a deal. Well, cooler heads have prevailed here too because we're not touching the story. Bucks Jags.

This might be my lock of the week. My Bucks. My team. They're in Jacksonville and if we know anything about the Bucks it's this they're going to score

some points you can either keep up or not I don't think the Jaguars can keep up I don't know what I mean the fact that the Jaguars were up 10

in the fourth quarter of the AFC title game less than two years ago right and are now this run of the mill crap franchise again is bizarre

but I actually think the Bucs are going to be favored in this one. I had the Bucs by one and a half. No, you love them a little too much. I had the Jags by two and a half. It's one and a half. So I get that one. Don't get too excited. I know Tampa Bay is a very fun team to root for, and the Jaguars are almost exactly opposite of that, But be careful here. I think the Jags stink. And I think they're cleaning house there with everybody at the end of the year. I think the two teams that clean house will be,

actually the three, Lions, Jags, Panthers. I don't have a feel for the Falcons. Giants, they'll at least fire the coach. Redskins, God only knows what that fucking guy's going to do. They can start anywhere. Alright, next game for the watchables. I had the Bucs as a watchable because I just enjoy watching them. I know. You have to watch.

This one's really watchable. Rams cards in Arizona. Yep. I don't know what'll happen in this game, but it'll be weird. I have the Rams by two and a half. Who gets this? I do. I said four. It's three and a half. They played already this year. What happened?

Rams getting a lot of respect from Vegas. December 29th. Don't you feel like the Rams are getting unusual respect in Vegas? Even the Ravens line. I feel like the Ravens should be favored by four at least. That's another one. I'm begging you to hedge that a little bit. You have about four outstanding parlays that I know of with the Ravens

either on the money line or laying three and a half bit. You have about four outstanding parlays that I know of with the Ravens either on the money line or laying three and a half points. You talk about a game that you might not need. The Ravens don't really need this game. The Rams haven't lit anything up lately, but they need Lamar's MVP campaign. So you think I should hedge with tiny hands golf? I don't know. You know what? You're

not and I'm ice cold. So I'm looking more at the Rams defense has played well the last few weeks. I'm glad you mentioned that because I forgot to mention this earlier. The Eagles defense, yet again, was awesome in that Seahawks game today. They have been,

other than the Pats, I would say a top three defense the last six, seven weeks, which was weird because there was all that talk about them trading for Jalen Ramsey and they got to fix their secondary. Now it's like, you know,

the Seahawks would not have gotten to 20 points in that game. I don't feel like. No. Metcalf dropped. That's why Russell's so great. He throws one long to like a guy named Turner and it's like, Oh yeah, they still have that.

Yeah. It's a nice, nice little weapon. Last watchable game. Chiefs Raiders. Raiders in a tough spot. They go from being in the driver's seat to the six seat to suddenly, I don't know what's going on,

but getting killed by the jets is never good. And, uh, chiefs coming off a buy, although coming off a buy these days, I'm not sure it means what it used to be, but, uh,

I have the chiefs by nine and a half against the Raiders. You get this one. I said seven.s by nine and a half against the Raiders. You get this one. I said seven. It's eight and a half. Man, I think this has all the makings of, talk about your sweater parlay or parlay sweater. Maybe this is the sweater parlay. Is this it?

Just throw the Chiefs in. Oh, yeah, they'll beat the Raiders. Yeah, this is the sweater parlay. Chiefs already killed them 28-10 in September. They're coming off a bye. They have weeks to prepare. Oakland was terrible this week. I don't like it.

I do think the mediocre to decent team coming off a shit week is something to be careful of the next week. And we just saw that with the Panthers, where they just come off a disgraceful effort. And then all of a sudden rally and give the saints everything they could hope for. All right, we're going to the barely watchables.

We got three. First one is Packers giants. This is in New York, not featuring a next New York giants head coach, Jason Garrett. I have the Packers. I have this right in the Vegas zone. I have the Packers. I have this right in the Vegas zone. I have the Packers laying four and a half in New York.

All right, I hit this exactly. It's seven. Oh, man, that's stupid. No, it's not too high. No, come on. I want to say this. I want to say something. This is a guy who's, I don't know.

I'm not there in New York anymore, but I don't think Daniel Jones takes as much shit as he should. If he didn't have that gigantic game against Tampa and their defense, who we all know fails to show up two out of three weeks, that crazy game against the Bucs and their kicker missed like two extra points in a field goal or something.

Definitely a field goal at the end. I don't know. I think you're talking about maybe we didn't make the right move drafting him. Not great numbers. Another 150 yards. 86 passer rating.

It does seem like he has weapons. Yeah. I like Slayton. I like Golden Tate. Evan Ingram was hurt this week, but he did have Saquon. It's not like he's got... I think it's

an above-average collection of skill position players, right? Saquon, if you go by he's got... I think it's an above average collection of skill position players, right? Saquon, if you go by QBR, it should get you up to 100 every week just for nice screen passes that he's able to handle. I mean, Mike, I don't see it with Jones.

I just don't. Next one, Panthers-Redskins. Put this in the parlay sweater. I have the Panthers by 8 at home against Redskins which should be the most amount of points Allen number two should ever be favored by you got me here I said six and a half it's nine and a half oh no you're really gonna have to sweater you're not putting on a two-teamer unless you're doing seven pointer man we got a couple parlay sweaters in here what was the Packers line?

Seven? Packers were seven. Yeah. I don't know about this. I don't know about a team with such... I think you now have to look at field goal kickers in addition to quarterbacks. Like, hey, do I want to give this many points

for a guy who can't kick like a 27-yard field goal? One of the great moments in Asian-American sports history today. What happened? Damoshek started Koo in his fantasy league as his kicker. Oh, right. That's right. And he had 11 points. I was screenshotting it and sending it to David Chang

and Alan Yang. And it's like, look at this. What a moment. It's like the number one moment since Linsanity. Yeah. Koo is like a top 10 fantasy kicker now. And the Chargers had a South Korean kicker too? Yeah.

He had a couple good weeks. The Pats had him on the practice squad and got rid of him so they could sign Mike Nugent and then Nick Foe, who can't make a field goal more than 42 yards. So that worked out great. Next barely watchables game, Chargers-Broncos.

I'll save my Broncos story for parent corner, but the Broncos are not good at football. I think it's finally over. I think it's finally... Didn't they have a bye this week? I can't remember. It's run its course.

And then you have the Chargers with the, the whole Phil rivers thing, which we did not get to talk about last week. Right. It's rough. Mallory and I talked about on Thursday's pod. It's, it's, it's near the end. I would say he's further along. The body is further along than drew breezes decomposing body, but it's, it's, uh, it's near the end for Phil. And I think we're all winners. I made the case that this actually leads him toward the TV career that I think would be really valuable for him. Oh, is he just going to yell at the play-by-play guy the whole time?

Like, I feel like his skills are diminishing a little bit. He's a poor man's Jameis in that he's, he's very exciting to watch, right? Oh, he's very exciting to watch. You're going to see a pic that you haven't seen, you know, the likes of what you haven't seen.

And he's, he's yells at everybody. I love it. It's like, he's reprimanding his nine kids. Well, maybe he'd be like an angry Romo as a TV guy. Yeah,

right. I have the chargers by one and a half in Denver. Let me find this. Uh, I had chargers by two and Denver is a TV guy. Yeah, right. I had the Chargers by one and a half in Denver. Let me find this. I had Chargers by two. And Denver is favored by a point. So you get that one. Denver's favored by a point. Okay.

This is a world-class stay-away game. We'll take one more break, then we'll get to the poop factor. Hey, if you're new in Jersey, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, or Indiana, listen up. Thanksgiving. Nothing brings people together like points. FanDuel Sportsbook, running special promos on over bets all day long. When you bet the over, you've always got something to look forward to.

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I have the Eagles by six and a half in Miami. We tie that. It's seven and a half. I like that on a teaser. That's kind of a loser leaves town match. The Cowboys win on Thursday. Eagles lose that. All of a sudden, that head-to-head matchup in Philadelphia,

it doesn't matter as much. I think in a tease parlay, you're just making the case the Eagles defense wins this game by itself. Yeah, okay, that's fine. And the Sanders, they get 20 points, they win the game. Right. Can you name the four receivers the Eagles played today? No.

Can you name two of them? I'm trying to think. So, Aguilar didn't play no uh wait there's uh all right well we're not counting tight ends right jordan matthews jordan matthews yes the second round pick with the hyphen name oh yeah oh oh right right right oh crap what's his name? Nick somebody. And then there's a fourth guy. Yeah, Arcago White, right?

There's a fourth guy in there. Yeah, I don't know. I'm looking at their receptions. Ertz, tight end. Matthews, receiver. They had four guys. They showed a graphic of them, and I did not know who two of the guys were. Godert, G. Ward. No, he's a tight end.

Godert's a tight end. We are hitting a fun time of the year when dirt. G tight end. Go to. Oh, wow. That's another tight end. You're right. We are hitting a fun time of the year when you're flicking channels. Like I, we had a Cleveland, Miami game on for a second. And Miami had some white running back who is undrafted from California. And the announcer is trying to talk, you know, make the game sound excited. He's like, I'll tell you, I don't be surprised if we see more of this guy. You talk to the coaches and they think blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, oh my God.

I'm going to be surprised. Let me be surprised. Can I be surprised by the undrafted weight running back from baseball? You bring up your double A players in the middle of September, the losing team. Sunday night, Texans-Pats in Houston. Wait, you missed one. I did? Oh, I you missed one. I did? Oh, I did miss one.

I'm sorry. I had one more poopfecta. Oh, this is pretty poopy. Yeah. Cincy home for the Jets. This is a loser left town in September match. This is the loser left his family and changed his identity game. There's no sign of him. And he has a second,

second family in another state. Yeah. I have the jets by four and a half. Uh, yeah, you get this. I said six and it's a three and a half, six,

seven, eight, nine, one, two, three, four, five,

six, seven. I need to nail the next two for a tie. Well, I think you're going to get the next one. Cause Sunday night we have Houston hosting the Patriots. And I had a lot of trouble with this one. I don't...

I think the shot gets a lot of respect from Vegas. I just didn't know what to do with this. I went Texans by one. Wow. You really didn't. Why don't you think like New England was favored on the road against who the other night? I know they lost, but Baltimore, they were favored by three.

Why wouldn't they be favored by three against Houston? I said three. They're favored by three and a half. That's the number. What? Yeah. Oh, my God. We've scored 50 points in three games.

I don't know. I didn't love Houston the other day. I know Thursday games are weird, but oh, man. That's just me trying to talk myself down with the Pats. That's what that was. That's how I'd be diagnosed in the therapy session. It's like, Bill, why do you think you thought the Pats would be underdogs in Houston? Right.

I don't know. I guess I'm keeping my guard up with this team. Yeah. 10, it doesn't seem like a lot of wins, but that's what they have. Well, the good news is I hit Monday night exactly. Let's see it. Seattle is home for the Minnesota Vikings. Seattle by three.

Yeah, you did hit it exactly. And you win the week. I said four and a half. It's three. That's just a textbook. Why? It should be higher. They're better than the Vikings. They're better. I don't know how good. They're better than the Vikings. They're better. I don't know how good... They're better in their home.

Not sure how good Seattle is. Why? What did you need to see? That's a tough road win. You look at their schedule and it's a lot of pulling games out. You remember when I used to

that one year I kept track of the either or games? Oh yeah, you used to do that. To mix success. But I tried to figure out like how many teams, how many games did a team have during the course of the year that either, either team really could have won. No one beats Seattle in that department. No one beats them. Seattle, this is just the scores of their games. They beat Cincy by one, Pittsburgh by two, lost to New Orleans by six, they blew out

Arizona, beat the Rams by one, beat the Browns by four, killed by Baltimore, beat Atlanta by seven, that game was close, Tampa and OT by six, San Francisco and OT by three, and then this Philly game today where they only scored 17.

Yeah, I think eight of their nine wins are by seven or fewer. And against Minnesota, a team that, the upside of a good Minnesota performance is pretty high. I just think I'd be surprised if they killed Minnesota. Right. Can I bring something up because this is a Monday night game? I got my first high profile if you will block on Twitter first time I was blocked

that I know of yeah Booger McFarlane what Booger blocked me and I'm not going to say I'm good to him but I look back and I've only made one negative tweet about it. And I read it to our cousin, Jimmy. I said, he's like, what did you do to deserve this? I was like, here's the tweet. I said, one of the Monday night games was headed to overtime. I was like, oh, I love free football more than anyone, but another 20 minutes of booger might really do me in for good.

And I didn't even have his handle on it, which means he got it third party. And Jimmy's like, oh, well, you deserve it. Yeah, you deserve to be blocked. I was like, really? Oh, all right. Sorry. Sorry, booger. That's tough. I don't know what to do, Sal. I feel bad. I guess the worst color commentator

in the history of sports doesn't like when you bring up that he's the worst color commentator in the history of sports doesn't like when you bring up that he's the worst color commentator in the history of sports. I thought you said something about him saying Lamar needs to be switched to wide receiver. What? Yeah, because he did that when Lamar was in college. It's him and Bill Pullian. Everybody blames Bill Pullian. Booger was on that one too.

Oh, right, right, right. Listen, there's a million things you can go after. And allegedly Marty Mourningweg after Baltimore drafted him, but who knows. Gotcha. Wow, booger. Unblock Sal. No, it's all right. I understand. Well, now I said something even worse, so it's fine. What about

Donald Trump Jr.? Are you still clear with him or no? Did you guys talk about it today? I don't know. I'm going to be on Celebrity Apprentice anytime soon. Who is he rooting for during the hang today? Who was who rooting for? Donald Trump Jr. Shut up.

He wasn't there. He wasn't there? No. What would Hench's reaction have been like if he had strolled in? If he had to watch the Patriots game with DJ TJ, it wouldn't be pretty. Oh, man. All right. So I beat you. So am I in the lead now? Oh, man. You did. Hold on. I don't so am I in the lead now oh man you did like hold on I don't think you're in the lead didn't I have

so now we're even 5-5-3 wait I had 5 wins this is where we make the move take a look even the ringers keep in track I had 5 typical chicanery from you wait you had 5 wait no wait I thought I had 5 heading intoical chickenery from you. Wait, you had five?

Wait, no, wait. I thought I had five heading into this week. That's all right. No, I had five. Listen, you keep score however you want. All right. Hey, Sal, finding the right car for your family is important. You need room for the kids, the groceries, sports care.

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Well, Thanksgiving coming up and, you know and I have a five-year-old. And at school around Thanksgiving, they do it up. They'll make paper plates with fall leaves on them or paper plates you could turn into a pumpkin pie or something. And then they do a controversial feather thing to commemorate the first Thanksgiving. That's a no-no now. The Pilgrims are Native Americans, so some schools do it, some don't. thing to commemorate the first thanksgiving that's not that's a no-no now the pilgrims and natives americans so some schools do it some don't and he also made an apron with his picture on it and his name underneath and he gets this thing and he takes it home and his name is harrison

but it's written out and we don't know if this is a helper, a kindergarten helper, or a teacher. But it's H-A-R-R-I-S-O. The N didn't make it. Didn't make the play. It was too small, too narrow to fit the N. So it says Harris-O. And then me and the wife and his two brothers just start laughing and calling him Harris-O. And he attacks us all.

He goes crazy. He's like the guy who hasn't been tagged in for uh 15 minutes and like finally he's like stomping his foot and finally gets tagged in he comes out all of us like a house of fire really like throwing haymakers because we're calling him harriso to the point where my wife is just like cut it out stop it right now and i was like i cannot stop it i want to call this kid harris So for the next, at least six years, she's like, no, you need to grow up here. And so I grew up for the rest of the evening, but, um, the remainder of the week, I snuck a Harris.

Oh, in there at least once a night. And she's like, he's going to go into therapy. I mean, he just attacks us. I just, I love it. But this is, this is abuse, right? It's so good. It's he reminds me so much of my son. Cause my son would do the same thing,

the tag in without being tagged, throwing just sweeping haymakers. And those five-year-old haymaker punches really hurt. They land either inside groin, balls, hip, all things that don't normally get punched. Yeah. And they don't feel good. Does not feel great. Right. I'm like,

I'm like, Hey, one more of these and I'm maybe not going to let you watch a 11 hours of raw NXT SmackDown and whatever pay-per-view was tonight. Survivor series. Take it easy. I was going to do my, uh,

yesterday, Ben and I played like five hours of, so mad in 2020, this is not a plug so Madden 2020, this is not a plug. Madden 2020 is this game called Knockout that Ben loves. It's Superstar Knockout where you go

and it has eight different kind of teams that have a theme and they're all named after different things. So like one shutdown and it's like a really good defensive team, but not good on offense. And then there's like a, a Sean McVay team that has like, it's more offense defense. Isn't quite as bad, but the offense isn't amazing either. There's a shotgun team. Every plays in shotgun. DJ Khaled has a team where he's the quarterback

and he's really good. And then Snoop Dogg's a quarterback for one. So there's these eight identities. You pick the team and then you get to draft three, either all pros or legendary players. And it's kind of like finding like a secret treasure, right? Like it's three and the first one comes up and it'll be like, you know, Lawrence Taylor, Drew Brees, Keenan Allen. So it'll be, you never know, but you might end up with Jim Brown and you add these three. And if you have to win four straight games and each time you win, you get a player added to you and the games are only one drive each.

So you have to go 70 yards and score than the other team does. And if each team scores, then it does this tug of war thing. And we played for like five straight hours. It's really fun. So they're quick games. They're like 10 minute games. Ben's doing defense.

I'm doing offense. And he's shutting people down. And then I'm on offense. And then I'll throw a pick to lose the thing. And he's just assaulting me and berating me with swears. And at one point, Zoe comes in and says,

Ben, you can't talk to dad like that. I'm like, he's fine. He's fine. Let the boy vent. Yeah, get the fuck out of here. He's just losing his mind. And Ben's like, we should live stream this. And I'm like, no's like, we should live stream this.

And I'm like, no, we absolutely shouldn't live stream this. That would be the worst idea ever. You're swearing at me. He just hates losing. Well, he just told the story to like a million people. So it's kind of the same thing. He hates losing, which makes it such a shame that he doesn't have a favorite football team.

Right. Because the Cowboys situation during the day with the tripping, you take the intensity and psychotic nature of how he handles these losses. And if it had been the tripping call, he would have punched Donald Trump Jr. Right, right, right. So I had that experience. And then Zoe's boyfriend was over. He's a huge Broncos fan. He watched football with us.

And he's got a fantasy team, nice, mellow kid. He's watching the Broncos. We have them on one of the TVs for a while. They're just getting demolished. He's okay with it. He's like, I thought we could lose. I'm just thinking like, man, it's just funny how this stuff works out. Like this was the son I thought I would have had

and instead I have this son who's assaulting me as we share this mad stupid super knockout game and he's calling me a dick and a jerk I can't believe you blew it he's throwing the controller you just never know I'll be calling you a dick in no time

you just wait it out it's fine I want him to get to know Harrison so he can call him Harris-o. And then they can just fight each other. And that'll be it. They'll fight to the death. Well, how about Zoe's boyfriend? She made you watch that game on one of the screens? That's not fun.

No, we toggled. Because he knew they were going to lose. So we toggled because he knew they were going to lose. So we toggled. We had Bucks, Falcons, and Seattle, Philly, and Red Zone. And then we were kind of jumping around to whatever the good games. And really, once again, they fucked us on these games. Oh, they always do it. With the two late games? The two late games.

And of course, I'm going to watch every play of that Cowboys-Patriots game, as are you. But that Jacksonville game was so out of it. That was like, so you have one boring game that you have to watch. And then one game that was just over immediately. Like three, Derrick Henry runs in. So yeah, it's like, thanks. Thanks for nothing here.

We know what happened is I ended up having the entire Mavericks-Rockets game on one of the three TVs. Okay. Gotta say, I kind of liked it. The Mavs were 50-1 on Wednesday to win the whole thing. And I have a couple buddies who went in. Oh, that's not happening. Crush Houston today, right?

The MVP thing with Luka is becoming... I went on your pod. I will berate you. I'll get Ben. I'll pay Ben to finish you off if you tell me the Greek freak isn't winning this thing. No, I'm just saying Luke has momentum. I went on your pod before the season, and I said he was the best long shot bet. Remember?

He's 25 to 1. I know, but you texted me in-house two weeks ago. I was like, what are you guys waiting for? The Greek freak is winning this. Well, he still is winning this. We're like, all right. Yeah, you're right. What are we waiting for?

And we put money on it, and then now Harden's the favorite. No, Harden's not winning. Giannis is's going to- All right. Yeah, you're right. What are we waiting for? And we put money on it and then now Harden's the favorite. No, Harden's not winning. Giannis is going to win. All right. That's how it's going to play out. Listen, CarMax, they rule out millions of cars with their vetting process and select only the best to become CarMax certified. Over 200 stores nationwide.

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the Parley Kid. Going to go over a lot of games. Many of them that we just brought up, we're going to break them down. And happy Thanksgiving to everyone, right? You went on Clay Travis's podcast. I did, yeah. And I clicked on it, and it has the 30-. I did. Yeah. And I clicked on it and it has

the 30 second fast forward button. And I was like, I'm just going to fast forward to the Sal parts to see if Sal talks about anything I didn't know about. Like, you know, I mentioned you in there. No, no. Growing up in New York or the first year at Kimmel show.

And I'm just pressing 30 seconds and it's just Clay talking in the 30 seconds. I think you're allegedly the guest of that. I think if you did the amount of time you actually talked, it's like an 80 minute podcast. I think you talk for like six minutes. Oh, no, I'd go under.

You should go. When we finish this, go on Clay's pod and just do the 30-second fast forward, and it's just Clay in the middle of another sentence. So when he has guests on, is it just him talking? I was exhausted that day, and Rachel Bonetta is like, I have to do Clay's podcast. And she's like, oh, yeah, this is a long one. I was like, what are you talking about? I thought we're going to

talk about SEC over- over unders and stuff. She's like, no, no, no. He really gets into your life. And what's your worst moment. And what's your best mom.

I was like, Oh, geez. Yeah. We were, we were crying when I was on there. I was like, Oh,

I'm not ready for this Oprah's moment. This Barbara wall. I can't do it. So yeah, I let him talk most of the time. She, she was crying. Cause Clay wouldn't stop talking.

He wouldn't let her off. He's like, hold on. I got 10 more minutes. That should be the theme of the podcast where he just has people come on and then he talks. It's like therapy for him. I don't know. Corolla may have copywritten that. I don't know if he could do that. Corolla, his head's tilted back and he's looking up in the sky. He doesn't know. I think Clay knew you were there. Corolla doesn't know who's there. He just knows somebody's breathing. Sal, as always, good job by you.

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at square.com slash go slash BS. Here's the schedule for the rest of the week. Book of Basketball 2.0 coming late Monday night. One more podcast coming on Tuesday and then we're done for the week. Until then. On the wayside On the first side of the river I'm saying I don't have to ever forget