The Bill Simmons Podcast - Detroit’s Grit, Drake vs. Caleb, a Giannis Trade Idea, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Lions' comeback win vs. the Texans, the early AFC playoff picture, and the Chiefs sneaking by the Broncos to earn a 9-0 record (2:09). They have a Cowboys reassessment and discuss Commanders-Steelers, a rookie QB ranking, and Bears-Patriots (23:39). Then they talk about the latest "season from hell" candidates; whether to take the Eagles, Cardinals, and/or Chargers seriously; the Saints supporting the "new coach theory" by beating the Falcons; 49ers-Bucs; and Colts-Bills (47:02). Finally, they discuss some Week 10 gambling trends before guessing the lines for NFL Week 11 (1:08:18) and closing the show with Parent Corner (1:30:35). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Pearl Jam! ["Pearl Jam"] All right. It is 8 43 PM Sunday night. Just watched Texans Lions. I'm here with the 47th president of the United States. How's it, Sal? How are you? There's no way I won.

I know who my family voted for and it wasn't me. Never is. We just watched an incredible game and I thought Collins worth made the key point and he sniffed it out in the third quarter and said, he did that. How I'm just telling you if the lions could figure this out, this is the kind of game that tells you what kind of, you know, he just did that whole thing and he was right. Cause I was thinking the same thing. If they all the shit that happened, God throws five picks basically in the first two and

a half quarters of the game. And if you can come back on the road and win that game, I think that means something more than the game. Right. That was the takeaway. Oh, I thought the point he made that was valid was if there was just one more coat of paint on those goal posts, we're going over time. Mike, you know that's true. Come on. One more, one more, Mike. They ran against them, right? I mean, they have the fastest runners in the, what's interesting is

it seemed like, and I think it was those red uniforms, didn't they seem faster, the Texans? Like, is it a little bit of like a flash thing? Like, oh wow, they're wearing their red uniforms, they're faster than us tonight, let's give up. But you're right, if they had just gone to the running game for most of the game, it wouldn't have been close at the end. It was very similar to what was happening to them really in the season.

Like, they had that one game where Goff threw the ball like almost 60 times, and some people were out on the Detroit offense, and I remember us talking about it. I was like, I still feel like they just have to remember what kind of team they are. And then this game, it was the same thing. They're chucking the ball around. Goff didn't have it. And, uh, and I just kept the running game wasn't great in the first turnoff

quarters, but it's like, just they don't have Willie Anderson, just run the ball, stick with it, stick with it, play action. And, uh, and they were able to turn around, but the bigger thing is Houston didn't score again in the second half. There's a bunch of bad advanced metrics with them in the second halves of these games, you know, Nico Collins got scratched pretty late, seemed like he was playing. It was scratched late enough that I think a lot of people like me and one of my legs started him in fantasy and then all of a sudden he was gone, but, uh, they

got to fix that. I still like that Houston team though. Like, yeah, here's the thing. No, first of all, yes. I say the lions could have won and put it, not put it away, but they could have been in this much earlier than just the final kick to take the lead. But man, if Stroud hits Dell, I mean, he's open for 17 seconds and he lofts it and it's intercepted by a Carlton Davis.

So that sucked, but yeah, I like this team too. And guess what? They could rest Stroud for a month. He could go whatever he can go to France if he wants, because he's up against Will Levis, Mack Jones, and Joe Flacco or Anthony Richardson. So yeah, I like that. Do I like them as a one seed? No, but they'll, they'll be fine in the playoffs.

I think. Yeah. Even you look at their losses, Minnesota killed them. Green Bay beat them by two and that was an either or game jets beat them on a Thursday night, which was another one that it felt like they were going to win the game. Garrett Wilson made that crazy catch. And then in this game, they were in it and it just, it felt a little self inflicted to me, you know, I know they didn't have Nico Collins, but, um, I, the Stroud pass, it was just an ex like he sailed it up there. Like there was nobody within 30 yards of Dell. And meanwhile, the safety comes flying over, but even if he had sailed it

toward the corner of the end zone, it just, when that happened, I was like, holy shit, the lions might have a chance. Cause I was nephew Kyle was six Pilsners in, could have made that throw. I'm telling you right now that I was, I don't know what happened there. And I think the game plan should be, Hey, if we get 30, we win. Right. If you're a D'Amico Ryan's, but, um, they hadn't figured out how to get those extra seven.

Yeah. I'd like Stroud, but you know, he kind of needs one of these games. He needs one of these tight games against a really good team. Make a couple of plays moments. Um, I was looking up some of the stuff from this game and first of all, has anyone ever thrown five interceptions in a game and then won the super bowl? What do you think the answer is to that? Cause actually research. Oh, wow.

Good for you. Same season. Yeah. I figured out a way to research this and I think I, I think I could nailed it correctly. Uh, well it wasn't Tony Romo who was one of two guys who threw five interceptions and won the game. Yeah.

Was it 1970 Colts or something? No. So the two I found, and maybe there are more than this, but Terry Bradshaw did it in the 79 Steelers and then, uh, Jim Plunkett in 1980 Raiders. Wow. So back to back years in general, I was looking up, I went on this interception deep dive because, uh, when we were growing up quarterbacks, through interceptions, like

Steve Grogan had three, five interception games before I turned 10 years old, you know, and I was looking at like, uh, the 19, I think 77 season brand targeting led the league with 32 picks, 1978 stable was second with 30 and eight other guys had at least 20. This is just what we grew up with. The ball would sail around like, uh, they definitely, they definitely didn't pass as much, right? They weren't dropping back as much. But think about it like receivers going over the middle. You could decapitate them quarterbacks.

You could dive at their legs. You could close on them. So they're just flinging the ball up, trying to get rid of it. Joe Pesarchuk was 10, 12 TDs, 23 picks. Kenny Anderson was 10 TDs, 22 picks. Steve Deberg was eight TDs, 22 picks on and on and on to throw five picks. Now you really have to put some thought and time and some shitty energy into it. So there was like, how many picks the record seven, like Ty

Dettmer did it only like two other. So, you know, there was a moment there where it was like, Whoa, what happens if he gets to six, it's going to get there. Do they pull him? Yeah. He righted the ship. Like he kind of persevered through it. Yeah.

He had plenty of opportunities and yeah, he had what more than he had all of last year, right? So I'm not sure that takes them a little bit out of the MVP running, but we were making fun of PFF because they had them 22 out of 32 for quarterbacks. Like this guy never throws an incomplete pass. Right. Who are the 21 ahead of them? And then it's like, oh boy, interception after interception.

Maybe they were going to save that for next week. So, yeah, but yeah, it could come back for the Lions. They may just have that swagger. It just might be their year, at least in the NFC. Well, in the AFC, Houston drops to six and four, but, you know, they're going to be the four seed. Yeah. I don't see any scenario where Indianapolis or Jacksonville or

Tennessee even sniffs them. So they have time to figure it out. And I, I didn't change my opinion on where I thought Houston might be when they get Collins back and they get Will Anderson back. Like I want to see this team in mid December with like two, three weeks left in this season, like right around Christmas. Let's really take a look at them because I think they could hang with Casey, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore.

I think they could play with any of those things, you know? So we'll see. I just, let's not do what we did last year. Like we fall in love with the six seed or whoever it was. Was it Cleveland last year? Did you have the Houston Oberkleib? Did you have them? I had a pretty good playoffs last year.

That was one of my huge regrets. Flacco against whoever when he got annihilated. Well, we won't have to worry about Flacco, but let's try to stay away from that. We won't have to worry about flacco, but let's try to Flacco there's some the aFC playoff stuff. We talked about our houston's probably the four seed which is gonna I think put them against pittsburgh or buff or baltimore Whoever doesn't win that division the way it's lining up now or pittsburgh seven and two and baltimore seven and three and a good team

um Pittsburgh seven and two and Baltimore seven and three and a good team. Um, and probably the five seat, unless the chargers just keep kicking everyone's ass chargers are six and three. So we basically, if Casey beats Buffalo next week, they basically have the one seat locked up, right? Cause they'll have a two game lead over or three game lead over Buffalo. Plus they beat them. They'll have a two game lead over Pittsburgh and then a three game lead over Baltimore. Uh, if you do the rankings now or the matchups now, it'd be Buffalo

two against seven seed Denver. They were getting, yeah. I just, they're five and five. No way that's the, there's seven teams that have a tire winning record. Um, number three, Pittsburgh against number six chargers and then number four, Houston, Baltimore, but it's, it's kind of fun. I was looking at it. I was like, huh?

Um, the big wild card would be, you bring up a good point with the, with the. The chiefs though, they beat Buffalo and Buffalo next week. A lot of these teams. I mean, how do you get up Houston for the last seven weeks with no one like, we got this. Eight and nine could get us the four seed. I really feel like eight and nine wins that division at this point. Well, I think you could think maybe we could catch the AFC North team and

get the three seed. Maybe Buffalo. I mean, Buffalo, this is another crazy thing that's happened through 10 weeks. Buffalo has a five game lead in the ASC's. Yeah. I mean, that's like absurd. I've never seen somebody lead by half as many games as the actual games played. Your team might've done it a couple of times, right? By November, by the middle of November, you don't think the Patriots had like a five game lead?

Well, you mentioned Kansas city. I don't know what to make of this season anymore. They're, they're nine and oh, five of the winds was week one. The Ravens game were likely his foot's on the line. They beat the Bengals. Burrow had the fumble TD. The Bengals had a chance to ice the game. Didn't get a first down punted chiefs hit a field goal at the end to have the Atlanta

game where they got the fourth down stop when it seemed like Atlanta was going to drive and get them and they, and they got to stop last week. The bucks and OT were felt like if the bucks went for two, they were probably going to win. Yeah. Um, and then this week where it seems like it's done, they blocked the field goal and the, and they beat the Broncos by two in a game that was dead even statistically when you're watching it. Uh, it felt like the Broncos were going to win at that.

The Broncos slightly outplayed them and now they're not in. Oh, and I, I don't feel like everybody's like, Oh yeah, chiefs look out. I think people are like, Holy shit. How can they keep doing this? I think you're right. And you know, there's, it's one thing to do it like the Vikings did it like, Oh, what'd they have in 2022? They're like 11 one score wins or something. But when you went through the one after the other toe in the end zone, barely like this is just a spectacular way to be undefeated in the second week in November.

I mean, that kick, like if there were nobody, there were no blockers. It would have looked exactly the same. What the hell? What Denver did everything right. You're right. They bled the clock. They had the chiefs use their timeouts and you almost think you there's just no beating this thing.

I was driving home from the airport last night, like about midnight. And I was listening to Fox sports radio and there was some show and they had that guy, Fezzik, the handicapper was on. And I was like, this is great. I'm going like 95 miles an hour on the, on the, on the 10 and I'm listening to Fezzik break down the schedule and he was really bullish on the Broncos in this game. It's like Broncos coming off a loss. They beat the G and I felt the same way.

Like I doubled on the Broncos in our picks league. Um, I, I, the Broncos last week against Baltimore when it was 17, 10 heading toward the end of the first half and they'd really played with them and Nick said, missed a couple of touchdown throws and then all of a sudden the mark at the touchdown, they're down 14 and the game blew open, but I, I didn't think they were bad in that game. And this game, they're pretty good too. They might actually be a playoff day.

Like I think the Bengals are going to have a hard time passing them. Cause I think the Broncos are going to be able to get to nine wins. Well, that's it. Right. It's Bengals. Bengals have some interesting games. They have the chargers this week. So I don't want to call it a loser leaves town for the Bengals, but they

can't afford to lose like two, they still have a lot of their North games. Right. They're not going to run the city. But yeah, man, I, you know, I would even say I had Bo Nicks as a solid fourth in terms of the four rookie quarterbacks. Is he second now? Is he right behind Daniels? I have a whole spot in the podcast for this.

Oh my God. I can't wait to talk about this. All right. Oh yeah. And this podcast, Denver rest of the way. And this one? All right. Oh yeah. This podcast. Denver, rest of the way. Home Atlanta. At Vegas.

Home Cleveland on a Monday night. Home Indianapolis. At Chargers. And then week 17 at Cincinnati. Yeah, that's a big one. And then here's the big one. And this is one of the reasons when we did the over-unders. One of the reasons I like the big one. And this is one of the reasons when we did the over unders, um, one of the reasons I liked the Denver over, they play Kansas city week 18 at home. And that is of everybody. That's one of those games we'll be guests, the lions would be stupid, right?

Like Denver favored by seven and a half or something. Cause Kansas city won't play anybody. So is Denver going to get to nine wins? Probably. I, I, they're five and five right now. And I think there's four more in there. So the Bengals are going to have to beat them. They're going to have to beat the chargers.

I think this week, they're having trouble getting the six. If they get to six, they go over their projected win total, which was five and a half, but they've been stuck on five for a while. But yeah, the problem is as you go through those games and I think about those teams, they're not guaranteed to score 30, right? I don't know if anyone is in the NFL anymore, but Denver, it's always going to be a kind of game, game like this. But they did, what they did today is big plays against the chiefs don't usually happen. Yeah.

They pulled it off. I know you want to talk about Knicks later, but this is, they had some nice like 20 plus yard gainers. So I thought that was the best Knicks has looked. And even though they, I know they didn't put up like 30 points or anything, but he had some good plays. He had a typical couple of overthrows, but I know you're invested in him because he's an Oregon guy and now you're in Oregon. But

one thing on the chiefs. So I was trying to think, because I mentioned this to house on Thursday and I was like, I'm going to go back and actually look at this. The teams that start off undefeated for a while and all of us are kind of looking at them kind of side. I had like, eh, I don't know. So the three that really jumped out 2010 Colts were 14 and Oh, and remember that was the whole argument of should they go for it? And I think they ended up resting guys, but they lost the super bowl to New Orleans

up that year. But that whole year we were kind of like, ah, what is this? Like, is this, is this a schedule thing? Like what's going on there? Defense isn't that good. So they didn't win the super bowl. The next year, the Packers went 13 and now go to the playoffs, get a buy. And then they get killed by the giants at home in round two and the, the Packers went 13 and O go to the playoffs, get it by, and

then they get killed by the giants at home in round two and the, the second Eli Superbowl season. And then the third one was the Panthers in 2015 14 and O start. And then they ended up losing the Superbowl to Denver. So I guess my question is, is Kansas City just better losing now and getting thick, getting this over with. Uh, versus like just going, I know it sounds stupid, but then going 14 and not, and then you're basically not playing for anything for a month and you

got a bi-week and then you just kind of have to flip the switch on. We, we have real evidence that that's kind of a bad thing for a team. Yeah. And listen, I think we've got to give them a benefit of doubt in terms of how to approach this, like Andy Reed, this isn't his first rodeo, by the way, his first rodeo, he killed a cat. Like he just like, it just, it was too much weight and they knew it was a bad idea from the start.

All tapes have been destroyed. Right. But, um, so work Hopkins in, right. Don't get injured. Pacheco comes back theoretically in a couple of weeks. I think that would probably be the plan. And if you could beat up on these teams, keep it going, I guess. I think it's, I know what you're saying.

Like it's good to have a loss in there and then you can, you could deal with it. But I feel like they've been down. They made comebacks before, right? So they know how to be resilient. Well, this Buffalo game it's at Buffalo. I can't wait to guess the line for that. And I, I don't know it. And I would have guessed Buffalo as a favorite, but now I'm wondering

with the way Buffalo looked a little shaky. Maybe it's going to flip. But Casey, I think would want to go into Buffalo and beat them again and just keep that over them, like kind of, you can't beat us. We're on this. But then they're at Carolina the next week. And that just like, it's like the classic chiefs favored by nine and a half in Carolina, punt block, tipped interception, pick six, like just nine things go wrong.

Everyone gets killed in their teas. This is, it's like the biggest upset of the year. I have that one flag. They play Vegas at home on a Friday night. That seems fishy. Chargers on a Sunday, they're at Cleveland, home Houston at Pittsburgh, and then home for Denver in week 18.

So maybe they have that stretch words, week 16 Houston on a Saturday, week 17 Christmas night, Pittsburgh, and they're going to have everything clenched and there's just no way they're going to be playing their guys in both of those games. Right. That's no way they're going to put on one of those games. Do you know what the odds are?

I have them here. Don't look to run the slate. Oh, house tonight we talk. Is it, it's like five to one, right? Higher than that. Plus seven 50 plus seven 50. But yeah, you go through that. There's still tough ones out.

Well, could they be looking ahead to the Panthers and blow this Bill's game? I didn't realize that. I know they saw Bryce young today and got freaked out. I think with that Saturday, Wednesday thing, there's no way there's that. That would be insane to get people hurt during a, during that crazy stretch. That would be insane to get people hurt during, uh, during that crazy stretch. Um, the other thing with the, uh, with the AFC other than since he had four and six, I don't see a single team that could make like a second half run out of nowhere unless Miami wins tomorrow night.

And I don't even really totally believe in Miami, but at least he could be like, all right, two is back there They're in the AFC East. They have some easy games. Yeah. Maybe. Um, but I don't, I don't see any out of nowhere teams. So to me, it's Denver and Cincinnati, and then it's a huge drop off. Yeah.

I would, I would say Miami potentially because they could score points, but you were already, we don't even know if Tyreex playing. Like he's like, what did he said? Something interesting, like, and listen, if someone's injured, whatever, I don't know, this is a crazy game that I could never play. But he's like, I will see how my body feels if I'm going to play or not. If you're two, you must be like, I don't even know my name right now. I get your ass in that game.

We got to play. We got to win. Right. Our whole season's on the line. Yeah, really. Tyreek does this though. Like he even, remember that game last year when he was just coming in out of the game and then his helmet was off, then it was on, then he's playing, then he's not playing. He does it all the time still.

Very strange. If he runs a long route on second down, forget it. You won't see him for the rest of that drive. Hey, we're going to do a who's delivering. Presented by Uber Eats where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out of nowhere surprises. Um, so you have Bo Nicks would be in this as it seemed crazy that they were

counting on them the way they are, but now it actually seems pretty smart, especially when they're paying Russell Wilson to play for the Steelers and he's doing well. Right. Bryce young, not being like a disaster. Who's going to get traded for a seventh round pick. Not that he was awesome today, but at least he wasn't a disaster. I was surprised by that.

Right. Like some, Whoa, sure. Yeah. Bryce young, I can't believe you have the city. Who else would you have as like a surprise? You look at that and like just why it's a surprise is the Panthers are just destined to lose by double digits. If you just look at their this year, right? Like if it doesn't happen one week, you could bounce back if it wasn't New Orleans.

Let's see. Kyle Pitts is really good. No, let me see. Give me a minute. I wish you would tell me about these things. How about Cade Otten? Oh, Otten, yeah. Yeah, he's good. He's solid. Let me find someone like decent here.

Was there a fantasy? I probably shouldn't give you a heads up. Yeah, why not? Give me a heads up. Was there a fantasy running back or anybody that jumped out? I guess. I like Bucky Irving, but I think I gave him out to you a couple weeks ago. Is he running back or anybody that jumped out? I like Bucky Irving, but I think I gave him out to you

a couple weeks ago. Well, how about this? How about McLaurin being an A plus list receiver now? Right? If we're doing fantasy drafts over again, I think he's one of the first five receivers. Looks so much faster now than he was, but yeah, that's a good one.

Matt Jones, I think? Oh no, wait, that's a different. I just concentrate on bad players because that's all good one. Mac Jones, I think? Oh no, wait, that's a different... I just concentrate on bad players, because that's all I'm used to now. Different category. That's who's delivering. I guess Mahomes delivering wins, despite having the worst statistical year.

Again, today, 260 yards, one TD, doesn't matter, keeps winning. Who's delivering presented by Uber Eats, where you get the best deal on game day food all season long. We deliver, let the Cowboys out of who's delivering Uber Eats, the official high demand delivery partner of the NFL order. Now we're going to take a break for the podcast. At new balance, we believe if you run, you're a runner, however you choose to do it. Because when you're not worried about doing things the right way, you're free to discover

your way. And that's what running is all about. Run your way at new balance.com slash running. What happens to the Cowboys now? I just have some questions to throw you. Right. Cause your season's over. Is McCarthy finished the season?

That's very rude. I think why pay for another coach at this point? Yeah, right. Look, here's what I'll say. The thing about them is, I didn't expect them to win. I really thought they would suck me back in. I thought they were done, but I didn't think they were done sucking me in. I thought Cooper Rush would be competitive. But this game killed me because besides a kicking game, you get to see the

Cowboys incompetence on every level, right? Like tackling, the quarterback play was atrocious. Rush had like 24 yards at halftime and then they put Trey Lance and he comes in for like negative six yards with a penalty. Ezekiel Elliott back with a big fumble, which, you know, Mutes fumble in the other end zone. Jesus. It's like just that. And that's more an aptitude in the front office and then like,

and CD Lamb like yucking it up with the Eagles as the gun sounds to end the game. And then we have the owner. It's like every little aspect of it. The owner who blames the mysterious construction of his billion dollar stadium. And he built. He built it. Yeah, it felt like he bought the stadium from someone else. He built it and was in charge of every aspect of the construction. Disgusting. He's pointing at us like, they

know where the sun is. Good, Jerry. You go to the sun. Go to the light. See the sun. It's right there. It's right in the crack in the roof where you wouldn't... Everyone wants to put curtains. Everyone wants to put curtains until you go blind. Oh, man. It drives me nuts. And now the big thing tomorrow is going to be like, should we put curtains up there? It's like this thing... You and't want to put curtains. You don't want to put curtains until you go blind. Oh man, it drives me nuts. And now the big thing tomorrow is gonna be like, should we put curtains up there? It's like this thing, you and I went to the stadium 15 years ago, like they couldn't figure out the fucking sunlight when it's after daylight savings. The, remember Dallas, the TV show?

That was like in the opening. They liked going through the stadium, like oh wow, that's kind of cool. It's like no, it's not that cool. I hate this team, I'm really mad. And I feel like I get double F'd here because like they don't even change the cadence. Like Cooper Rush is like, here we go. And that gets me angry. And then I have to see the play and that gets me angry. So I'm getting angry like 160 times a game. Our Dak. Shit. My next Cowboys question, our DAC, LAM and Parsons all on next year's team.

Yeah, I think so. There's too much money. What was, what are they going to do? Is Lawrence also on next year's team? Those four, if those four guys next year. I do think so. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I just want Aubrey. I need the kicker to stay. Oh, just a... Listen, if they're not on the team, that means Jerry is going to trade him, right? And he's been awful. I mean, we got Mingo who didn't even suit up for like a four... Like you'll see what they got for Hopkins versus Mingo and they do it year after year after year. It's getting bad. You'll see what they got for Hopkins versus Mingo and they do it year after year after year.

It's getting bad. I like the, the, uh, philosophy of, yeah, we got Mingo. We really liked him coming out of the draft. It was like, did you still like him when he couldn't play for Carolina for two years? Yeah. It'd be like if we really liked somebody for the ringer two years ago. And then the person went somewhere and just handed in a bunch of columns late and did three podcasts that had to be aborted.

We're like, wow, we really did like them two years ago. Let's go get them anyway. Maybe change the scene. Record labels aren't signing Diddy anytime soon, even though he went double platinum 15 years ago. Is that a bad analogy? All right. Listen, I'm here for all Diddy analogies.

Um, here's my next question for you. Cowboys related. I'm going to go through every team in the NFC and you tell me which team you'd rather be then for the next three years. This is a dick move. But it's not a dick move. It's an exercise. All right.

I don't actually, you'd rather be Dallas or Philadelphia next three years. Philadelphia. It's easy. That's easy. Philly. actually. You rather be Dallas or Philadelphia next three years. That's easy. Washington. Washington. Yes. Would you rather be Dallas or the giants? I'm going to say still Dallas and then I'm going to get kicked into

teeth on Thanksgiving and that'll be fun. I think Dallas is the right answer for that. Okay. So you'd rather be based. So the giants, we have one. Are we going to really do this 16 times? Well, go straight to Minnesota green Bay. You'd rather be all those things for that. Okay. So you'd rather be based. So the giants, we have one. Oh, we've been, we're going to really do this 16 times. Well, go straight to Minnesota green Bay. You'd rather be all those things.

Sure. Yeah. Would you rather be Dallas or Chicago? Um, I think their front office is just as F'd up kind of to be honest with you. I mean, we were, we were texting off to the side. Yeah. Yeah. So they have to make a coaching change, not sold on the quarterback.

I think that's a push actually. Can I say push? Okay. We have a push. Yeah. Would you rather be Dallas or Atlanta? I'd rather be Atlanta. Atlanta.

Would you rather be Dallas or Tampa Bay? Uh, all right. So first thing I'm thinking about is coach quarterback. Shit. Tampa Bay. I think thinking about is coach quarterback. Shit Tampa Bay. I think you'd rather have Baker Mayfield. See him today. He's a fucking hero today. I know, I know.

It's amazing. I think you'd rather be Dallas than New Orleans. That's, that's easy. New Orleans is a salad. Yeah, that's fine. We don't want to run for data. And the Panthers I'd be red. Yeah.

Then the Panthers. Yeah. All right. So there's three, you got the Giants, New Orleans, Carolina. Yeah. Than the Panthers, yeah. All right, so there's three. You got the Giants, the Lourdes, the Carolina. Yeah. And I don't think anyone in the NFC West, do you rather be?

I don't think anyone in the West, no. All right, so there's three teams you'd rather be. That's good, congratulations. That's good. What a jerk you are. Yeah. Cause should I do that with you? Why am I a jerk?

It's a regular podcast. Should I do that for you with the AFC? What, do you have more than three? All right, I'll play. Go ahead. Um, Buffalo. I'd rather be, I'd rather be us than the jets. I mean, hands down, hands down. Yes.

Yeah. Jets with Drake Bay. Yeah. Okay. That's true. All right. I think I'd rather be us than Miami because we have Drake Bay. Well, that's, if that's going to be your answer for everything.

I mean, what we're going to, we've, we've Drake may, we Gonzalez, we have Barmore coming back. We're going to have a hundred million in cap space. We're going to have like a top six pick. I feel good about it. Next year, Gonzalez and Barmore. Yeah. Listen to you.

Great. Are you talking about this? Like the 78 Steelers you're talking about. Oh my God. Pittsburgh, Baltimore. Cincy. I would rather be all of those things. Definitely would rather be us than Cleveland.

OK, so how many is that? Cleveland, Miami and the Jets. There's already three. I'd rather be Houston. I'd rather be us than Indianapolis. What's so great about being in that they just missed on that Richson pick. It looks like he's on play. Right.

Um, Tennessee. Yeah. I'd rather be us at Jacksonville. No, the league really sucks. Doesn't it? Listen to you chargers. Obviously those guys. I'll say Denver is probably a push.

I'd rather have May than anyone at Denver, but Denver has Peyton. You'd rather have May than Nix right now. Huh? Oh, stop it. May, Nix is like 26. What am I missing with May? What did he do? Well, hold on.

I got to go to these stats again. He's been great. He has no receivers and no offensive lines. He's been fine. Keeping them in these games. You won because you sacked, you sacked what's his name? Nine times. That's why you love Drake.

May come on. I know. I see it. But you know what I love about Drake? May he has a bad plane. He shakes it off and he goes right back out there and just does fling it. I also, he does that too.

Cooper rush does that. Um, Trey Lance, all the greats. I'd rather be us than Vegas. So that's like six years. Here's what I love about. That's depressing. You'd rather be like, and you make a good point for all of them twice as many teams than I would the NFC.

Wow. That's bad. I'm so I'll talk about the pets later. I have a different spot. Let's talk about Pittsburgh Washington, which felt like a real playoff game. That was the best game. I think it was an honorable loss for Washington, even though, uh, I didn't think they played their best, but they definitely hung and were around the game.

And that was by far the best defense they had played. Um, it was a great win for Pittsburgh because a lot of shit went wrong for them for two hours. He felt like they were almost trying to give the game away and then they said, fuck it. And they just took it. And then Russ made a fucking massive throw at the end. Like he hit Williams in stride fields.

Never would have made that throw. So, so nobody saw the seven and two Steelers coming. Oh wait, somebody did this guy right here. Who, who are you pointing to? Oh, yeah. Yeah. This guy with two index fingers. Yeah. Called it. That's fingers. Yeah. You called it.

That's it. So when people do the thing tomorrow, who would have saw the Steelers 7 and 2? It was fucking me. I called it. I love the Steelers. Wow. All right. All right.

Maybe you called it. By the way, if you go back and you watch our over-under podcast, we actually kind of killed the podcast. Like, I have a chance to go like 25 and 7 26 and 6 on those overruns. I saw that. All right. Good job. But why then will all the announcers, the bolt announcers in that game talking about me, me, me picking the Steeler special, the South Steeler special, which is Washington

to win the first half. I'm done bragging and we're going to you because this is way more impressive. Go ahead. Set up the South special. Opponent to win the first half, Steelers to win the game. It takes the Steelers a minute to get going. More than any other team this happens. Eight to one, it's cashed three times this year plus 17 units. Good job by me.

Good job by you, whatever you said in the preseason, but uh, eight to one, three times. So it's hit three times and if you bet a hundred dollars on it each time, you would have just won like 23, 24 hundred dollars just on those three and lost a hundred on the other seven games. And you'd be up seventeen hundred dollars. There's no better bet in sports. Thank you. Fandl gave us these ringer specials tab on their NFL page.

The cousin Sal special should just be its own tab. It should be next to games, futures, cause South special. Like, you know why it won't be, because they don't want to go bankrupt. I don't blame them for the hiding it within like a 34 other Ringer specials, but, uh, no, the Steelers are good. They're good. They're exciting. And, um, I'm not going to say sky's the limit for the playoffs, but they could right now,

like if you put a ceiling on them, AFC championship, not that's going to happen, but like, could they get that far or past it? So I had some friends at that Washington game today and that was like the most important home game Washington's had in 15 years where it was like a true sellout, real fans coming back, like real energy in the building, people there two hours for the game and the Steelers didn't play well and they still figured out a way to steal the game. And they got stops like that game was I think 27 to 21 halfway through the third quarter and the they shut down Washington.

They Daniel's missed a couple of throws. I think two years from now he probably wins that game because he had, he had two big throws in the second half. But, uh, but the fact that Wilson can make a couple of plays for them. They, it just wasn't going to happen with fields. Fields doesn't win that game. He just doesn't. And I think, I was thinking we were joking, watching the games.

Like has anybody seemed less cool and more done and then. Rallied back and seems kind of cool again. It's like, I was thinking like Wayne Brady when he did the Chappelle show. Interesting. And he had, and he had that Wayne Brady rejuvenation from the Chappelle show, but the Russ winning that game and doing like a dance and seeming like Russ again. I was like, holy shit, Russ is back. Yes.

I think he, people are dying to turn on him too though. Right. I feel like even that with Steelers fans, like they're waiting for the one bad Russ game, but now you're right at seven and two, this is a whole different story. And Pickens is the most athletic player on that team. I'm sorry, but he comes up with a dazzling circus catch every week. I mean, football is great

when you see like these wide receivers. My father's like, oh, it was always better in my day. These guys didn't sound no injuries. Like, dad, you don't have wide receivers toe tapping the sideline and you know, like pellets kicking up because they know how to drag their feet. That catch in the corner, that was unbelievable. They know how to draw, whatever.

I'm not making it, but you see a spectacular play three times a week now in the NFL. That's why it's the best. One thing I liked about Pittsburgh, they did the thing that Detroit kind of didn't do. They just kept running the ball and running the ball. They didn't even run the ball that well. I think they were 43 for, were they 43 for like 140, something like that. They were like 3.3 again, but they stuck with it. They shoot it.

It felt like they were always getting yardage on first down. They made a couple of big plays. They did this Mike Williams trade that the moment they did it, it was like, of course this guy's going to be decent for them. And he ended up scoring the same amount of points as the jets today. And then there's the Tomlin piece, which, so where do you think Tomlin ranks for wins all time? Good to guess.

All time coaches. Where does he rank and wins? So I'm coaching 18 years. 13. Yeah. So he's 12. I would have guessed like 30th. Yeah.

Only been coaching. He hasn't been coaching two decades yet. Yeah. But they're never under 500. So you don't have like any five and 11s or five and 12s in there. He's 180 and 102. Yeah. It's one of super bowl.

He only has a playoff wins, but I was thinking today, like Belichick and reader are the best two coaches of this century, right? During the quarter century doing the all NFL teams. Sure. Tomlin's probably third. It's either him or Sean Payne, right? Maybe, maybe John Harbaugh's in there. Um, probably not Dungey cause he retired pretty early.

Um, no respect for McCarthy. It's unbelievable. Definitely not McCarthy. There's like a, a mild Tom Coughlin case just cause he won the two super bowls. But as a regular season coach, wasn't great, but I think it's pretty unassailable. Tom and see their third or fourth, depending on where you have him versus Kaden. Harbaugh has how many fewer with it, right? Like if you just go regular season, if you go like that.

Tomlin's hit this point though, where you just feel like he's getting to nine or 10 wins and it doesn't matter who's on his team, but it's a specific type of player that he always seems to have. They've lucked out over and over again. I haven't lucked out. Like there's real ingenuity behind the receivers they take. And, uh, I don't know. It's, it's, this feels like one of his great seasons. They're very good. Um, he was the one that like, he almost didn't bring the offense out on fourth and two, right? Right. And then he did, I was screaming Simmons. I didn't even, I just had this stupid stealer special thing, but you gotta do that coaches.

You have to at least do the hard count on fourth and two. It's not gonna work every time. If you get a false start, you're actually in a better position to punt it to the 10 or whatever. So yeah, it was great. I mean, they killed them. They killed them in time and possession too. Like they deserve that game.

For Washington, now they're playing Philly Thursday night and they might be going from seven and two to seven and four in the span of five days, but they're, they're still a playoff team. I thought that was weirdly a good loss for them. Like they hung with a really good team and I thought those were two playoff teams. Yeah. All right. Next question. So I was going to ask, would you rather have Drake may or Caleb Williams, but you'd you even want to introduce Bo Nixon to this. So, yeah, I think so. Give me the rankings.

Just of the four. Yeah. I'm going to drop Caleb Williams to four right now. I think you have to. I'm going to drop Caleb Williams to four right now. I think you have to. I'm going to do it. I'll put your guy third. I think Bo Nix is second. I know you would flip them, but this is just for this year.

Bo Nix. We're not looking. No, I think who'd you want to have going forward? Oh, yeah. I'd be very confident in the top two, in Daniels and then Bo Nix and Bo Nicks and, and your guys, they're, I don't know what to make a Caleb Williams. I really don't. Cause they won some games they should know won and it's a very strange team. They really, they're not resilient at all.

They were like one play away from being five and two. And now you don't see them in the playoffs at all. Right. No, I think that the Hail Mary probably murdered the team or murdered the season. It's weird. All the stuff you heard about him at USC that people were worried about are kind of on display with the Bears too, right? That there's, he just seems like almost like a tennis player playing quarterback.

Like he's like playing an individual sport, but also running a team at the same time and he makes a lot of really, really amateur mistakes. Like he's like playing an individual sport, but also running a team at the same time. And, um, he makes a lot of really, really amateur mistakes. Like it was interesting reading the stories after the game, the Patriots did all this stuff. This was the first, I guess the pats did okay last week too, but this was a actually very well coached game. I got to hand it to Mayo and the crew. They really had a game plan. They wanted to pressure them. They brought in Schoolyard, who's the best special teams, you know,

Gunner in the league. They brought him in as like a linebacker to basically spy on Caleb in certain spots, but they they basically started them and they were like, the guy holds the ball too long. And we felt like if we pressured them and we put a spy on them and we just kind of pushed them that we could get to them. And they were right. And Caleb does hold the ball in too long and he's not accurate.

Like apparently he's the, according to the stats, he's the second least accurate guy in the league. Right. Just uncatchable passes. So they took advantage of all the stuff he wasn't good at. The team can't block. The crowd turned on them immediately. By the second quarter, you could already hear the bo booze and I just felt like he checked out.

So we'll see if he's a rookie QB. We've seen rookie QBs fail, but we'll see. Avery Fluss is going to take the brunt of it though. Right? Like everyone's like, Oh, he hasn't last till tomorrow. You were the first one I heard that talked about Caleb Williams. Like maybe not stepping up in this situation, but it's right now. It's squarely on the coach losing the locker room running wide receivers,

walking off the field before the play is done and shit like that. Yeah. I mean, I had the pats in a bet today. I thought, I thought they really had a chance to win. It was interesting with Caleb. He had those three games in a row and it was against the Rams who were banged up on defense in week four. They scored 24.

They won. They killed Carolina in week five, 36, 10. Everybody's like, Caleb, bears, here we go. And then they beat the Jaguars. I think that was abroad in week six, 35, 16. And then they had bi-week and there were two narratives. One was. Caleb's Caleb's figured it out. Here come the bears.

And then I was more in the camp of, can we see them play like some good teams first before we have a parade? So they had the bi-week. They lose that game to Washington where they only scored 15 and they really couldn't do any of them all game. Arizona kills them last week. And then the Pats who have a shitty defense looked like the 85 bears against them. So, you know, they can't block, but, uh, the body language on the team is awful.

Well, it was also their defense had gone like 12 straight without allowing more than 20 points or something once in 12 games or something like that. And so he was benefiting off of that. Yeah. He's like kind of Teflon because the defense was very good and Iberfluis when they lose it's Iberfluis' fault. And you could say the hell Mary, they got rooked, but, um, what about week one when Levitz just handed them?

They had like no offense. They had like 140 yards of offense. So I know it's week one. It's his very first game, but this game, this team is kind of where they should. I'm sure there's going gonna be a lot of, I'm sure this is gonna be a huge topic this week and there's gonna be people defending him and then there's gonna be people really breaking down

that he hasn't been good. Didn't he wanna own the team, a piece of the team? When you say he was like running the team, that's what I thought of immediately. That would have been good. From what I saw today, I wasn't afraid of him when he was going back to pass. I don't know if that team might be really poorly coached. And we've seen, like I went to the South Texas Nets game on Friday night. See, I was able to bring basketball.

There we go. Good job. And the Nets are really well coached. And I felt that way watching them on TV, but I got to see it in person up close and that team was on the same page. They were bringing in bench guys who were playing hard, who were playing defense, who were picking up guys full, full court. They were rebounding. They were really, really trying. They're running good plays out of timeouts.

And I was like, this team's well coached. You watch the bears today and it's like, this team's fucking disaster. Right. They clearly shouldn't have this coach anymore, but it's a franchise that is usually afraid to make moves until after the season from what I saw today. And I watched that game pretty closely. That Hail Mary seems like that killed that Ebb of Lucero. Yeah, for sure. For sure. He might've lost the locker room before that, but yeah, it is tough to spot an okay or bad team who's well coached. Like I think we felt that about Tennessee when Vrebel was around and you know, they've won some divisions too. But even when they were bad, you're like, all right, this team, they fight for them and they're good and they do the basics.

Yeah. Tom has been like that too. Yeah. Where Tom can have these crappy offenses and still. Sure. You go ahead and go nine and eight. This bears seems a mess. Yep. Um, the Jaguars look like a mess. Like there's teams you watch and you're like, this team's a mess. Brandon Staley last year, Ron Rivera last year. We, you know who the teams are that are super sloppy.

The Jaguars, by the way, I know we don't need to spend much time on that. 12-7 Minnesota, but it was 42 to 18 in time of possession for Minnesota. Wow. I was like thinking like, I don't even want, I want to see time of possession. Like Jag's time possession versus progressive ads we saw in the three hours. Like Mac Jones or flow. Who do we see on the screen more? I think it would be close.

Boy, that is a real disaster. That should have been a great fan to a bet of combined Darnold, uh, back Jones. Cause they were zero touchdowns, five picks. I was in Boston over the weekend and I did a interception parlay. So great having legal gambling, like just being able to go on and make dumb fan, dual bets. I, it was Bryce Young, Mac Jones and Will Levis. And it was like three and a half to one.

I was like, this is going to be so much fun. And then Carolina, I wake up, they're upset with nothing. Bryce somehow doesn't throw a pick. The bet doesn't win. The other two guys did though. Oh, they did. The other two came in. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. Yeah. That's the problem with the giants. The Panthers like took a lead and it's like, oh shit, Bryce Young is only going to throw the ball like 10 more times in the second half. Yeah. So big picture, like Caleb is obviously an asset. He's obviously talented. They have to figure out the coach thing now, because you don't want this to go

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Yeah, because of all the injuries they had had and you know, they were 500 and yeah, just like what else can go wrong? McCaffrey misses 10 weeks, IU goes out for the year, they lose guys on defense, they blow a couple dumb games. Like they were kind of felt seasoned from hellish, but now I think the Jets have locked it up. Well, it depends how you look at it. Like my quarterback's out for the year.

Maybe you didn't think he was doing much anyway, but the jet quarterback is still hobbling around and you know, he's not the right guy. Right. So, uh, that's the season from hell. I'm fine with the jets being the season. Well, think about all the cat, all the trades they've done. They fire their coach. They think that's going to fix it.

Then it's the Bonte Adams is going to be the savior. That's going to fit it. If six points today Bonte Adams. It's going to be the savior. That's going to fit it. They've six points today for them. Some of the stats from this game, Tyler Murray completed 17 straight passes at one point. The Jets allowed four 70 plus yard drives in the same game. The Cardinals had 28 first downs on 57 plays. So that jumped out to me. I was like, that almost seems impossible. Like I gotta go and look at NFL history and see, so you can do it on that stat head thing, right? Teams that had 57 or less plays and 28 or more for it only happened one

other time in the history of the league. The 2000 and 23 Niners, 53 plays, 31st downs. There were three teams that ran 58 plays and had 28 first downs or more. But like, that's how rare this is. That's how bad the Jets were. They were historically awful giving up first downs on like first or second down. I think the defense, remember coming into this year, like whatever, Rogers was always going to be a question mark.

The Jets defense is elite. All you need is Rogers to be average. Well, Rogers is a little below average than Zach Wilson. Yes, exactly. And he's not. If you look at how many points they have through week 10 this year and last, do you want the exact number? A point, total points. Yeah, last year they averaged 16.6 points per game. This year they're averaging 18.3. Oh, really? Yeah.

That's that much more? Rogers is worth 1.7 points more, but their defense is worse. And they lost Salah who, you know, seven kids Salah, we made a lot of jokes, but their defense played better when he was the head coach. So he's just the back. Yeah. You guys, as a Patriots fan, you have to love this, right? You have to absolutely love this. I have Jets fans inots fan, you have to love this, right? You have to absolutely love this.

You're both. I have jets fans in my life that I have real affection for and they're, they're about as downtrodden about football as any fan base I know. So I feel bad for that. But Rogers has just been such a prick last few years. It's hard. I know it's hard. So it's hard that like, you know, even like the trading Mike Williams

and making them trade for Devonte Adams and all this stuff and the coach getting fired. I love it. Ball goes right through Devonte Adams hands on third down and then a big sack on fourth. It was just all falling apart. I do feel bad for New York. Just in general, New York teams are like five and 15. I know the Liberty one. That's fun. But, uh, for God's sakes, uh, jets, jets over giants for, for year from hell, I guess, only because of the expectations. Yeah. I guess if you're making the case for the giants fans, they have to watch Dana Jones, who that Panthers game today. Did you wake up? Be honest.

I woke up. It was 7-0. Even though I flew in last night, I was still like, this game is too Germany. Eisen making beer garden jokes. I gotta wake up. And the Panthers are just awful. It's unbelievable that they went two in a row. I'm telling you, they're terrible. And Panthers fans, you'd be like, fuck you, we're getting better. It's like, you're not, you're not a good team.

You're not. I believe you. I believe you. You're really awful. You're terrible at football. You had no business winning the game. Like Gnome missed a field goal. Jones had that interception he threw late in the fourth quarter.

You know, and then like they run that flea flicker and he misses the two completely wide open guys and they're talking about how upset day ball is. It's like, it was third and one and you're running a flea flicker with Daniel Jones. Like just hand the ball off. Yeah. Why are you, why are you making him do anything?

It's like, if I took my dog outside without a leash, right. And he, and he ran across the street and ran up to the neighbor's yard and like, you know, trounce the flowers and then got in a fight with their dog. It's like, is that my dog's fault or is that my fault? Is it my fault for letting my dog out without a leash? Like, no, I'm just saying like, is this your parent corner? No, of course.

We take our dog out. He has a leash on. It's like you've been to Jones and your team. Don't do a flea flickers with him. Don't have him throw in tight windows when you need a score inside the 20 yard line. Like it's idiotic. That'd be a good nickname for a dog flea flicker, but no, you're right. That was awful.

I'm sorry. You got to wake up. I mean, they put those poor, that was a hostage situation, keeping them for overtime to see the freaking Panthers win 20 to 17. They all seem drunk. They seem drunk and happy with the Germans. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Can I, can I tell you, I want to pitch that and this would be better than hard

knocks and we make jokes about the flight back from London. Like I want to see the losing coach from checking into the airport, whether it's Heathrow or whatever, Munich, all the way through to flight New York. Going abroad with Plank. I want to see the losing coach fly home, wherever it is. Munich. Going through customs.

Tanzania. Just being bumped out. I want to see what he orders and drinks on the plane and what he says, if he's mean to the flight attendants and hear him cursing in his sleep. I'd watch that five hour stream. I would do it. I was mad because house and I have four million dollar picks. We did giants to win by 14 plus and Niners to win by 14 plus.

So they go down seven, nothing like, you gotta be kidding me. But I also had the giants in a money line. It did like a stupid parlay when I was in Boston. So I was like, all right, at least can the giants just win this? And the Panthers are terrible. Yeah. They're really bad. Chubba, Chubba, however, is good.

And he was probably the reason they won. But their team's just not good. They don't have any, they can't quit their downs. People are like, oh, Bryce Young looked better today. It's like, okay, I guess he looked better than somebody who shouldn't be in the league. But it wasn't like he was good. Like he was missing 39 throws all over the place. That's really wrong.

I think I was offered Chuba Hubbard and three fantasy trades this week. And I was like, and I was like mad at the people who proposed it. And then I looked at his numbers on my God, they're pretty damn good. And I was like, I don't want to watch them or en route for their offense. Right. Why would you ever want that unless you live in the state? I feel like this maybe even though I lost a little money on this this week I still feel like long term

We're in a good spot because they're coming off a buy and then they have home games against Kansas City and Tampa Who are you talking about? Carolina? Yeah, it'll be like oh Carolina two game winning streak. They've righted the ship. And it's like, I don't think they've righted any ship. I think they stink. So I guess we'll find out. All right. What else did I have for you? Well, the problem is there's like nine teams that stink. We're going to get like, I know, we're going to get like seven or eight teams with five, with six wins or fewer. It doesn't really happen if you look back in the last five years. There's like two or three teams with four, you know?

But to get like, you know, close to 10 teams with like six wins, it's gross. When do we start taking the following teams seriously? Heading into week 11, are we there yet? The Eagles are seven and two. Do you take them seriously as an actual contender who could be in the NFC title again? I do. And I, it's not just coming off this Dallas game, but I feel like they

hit their stride, they got the running back they need the tush push works with their fricking backup when, when stuff like that happens, like that's. That's good. I still have the lions, like a big. I'm like, that's, that's good. I still have the lions, like a big step ahead of them, but yeah, they could be deep into January. You're not quite there yet. No, I want to see Thursday night.

Yeah. There are wins this year, the green Bay in that Brazil game. They beat the saints, the Browns, the giants, they beat the Bengals. That was a good win. No T Higgins beat the Jaguars. They beat your team, which was. You know, a corpse, they're still not really health fully healthy. I don't know if they'll get there, but I'm going to, I want to wait.

Cause they play Washington this week. They're at the Rams, they're at Baltimore. And I, you know, I know it's a cop out, but I want to wait for those three games, but they definitely look better than they did. Second half of last year started this year. Well, this is where they were last year, right? About seven and two or something.

Then they just tank the last six. I don't trust their coach. Do you trust the Cardinals yet? I like watching them. That's all I can really say. I like watching their offense, right? And they don't embarrass themselves on defense and they have. What do you mean? You mean trust like for the playoffs?

Are you taking them seriously? Yeah. Yeah. I think I have to because of their schedule and, um, the fact that they're able to move the ball and don't seem afraid of any of these teams. They have the Pats in Carolina later. Yeah. So that's probably two more wins.

They play Seattle twice next three weeks. Right. Play Minnesota to play the Rams. They play Seattle twice next three weeks. Play Minnesota, they play the Rams, they play the Niners last week of the season. I think it's a ten-win team. Yeah, I think they're a ten-win team. Four division games, so that's the key, right? A lot of these teams haven't played anyone in division, so that's big. I like how they can run the ball, and they're really fit.

Connor is just... I remember when Pittsburgh let him go, I didn't think it was a big deal at all, right? Did you? Sure. No, oh my God. They let James Connor go. Nobody said that. And I think he's been good in Arizona.

McBride's good. They have some web ads. Like I was surprised to know that that was Harrison's fifth touchdown. I was about to come on tonight and go on a rant about how they've done. Where is he? Yeah.

They've done well, despite the fact that the, this generational receiver hasn't produced, but five touchdowns. Pretty good. Yeah. So playoff picture, if you got Detroit at eight and one, Minnesota, seven and two, I'm still not positive as a playoff team because Darnold seems like he's arrow pointing down Washington, Philly, green Bay, and then you have Arizona, San

Francisco Rams six and four Arizona five San Francisco Rams, six and four Arizona, five and four San Francisco, four and four Rams. I think they're a playoff team. I think they're going to make it. I thought today was a key one. And I didn't, I, house and I talked about it Thursday. I didn't understand the line. I didn't know what I was missing.

I didn't understand why people were overrated in the jets based off that Texans game on a Thursday night. I think people always overrate those Thursday night games. I didn't think the jets were overrated in the jets based off that Texans game on a Thursday night. I think people always overrate those Thursday night games. I didn't think the jets were good. I thought Arizona was better. And to me, it was like an easy bet, but the line shifted. The jets were favored heading into the game.

That's like, what am I missing with this jets team? They suck. Isn't that what happened against Houston? Like Houston's favored by one and a half when we did the pod and then the Jets were favored. As soon as that one and a half, which is the mysterious number this year, flips, I get in sprinter's position. I'm like, I'm staying away from this game. You figured it out.

That was good for you that the Arizona. Arizona is minus 110 both ways to make it or not make it. I like it. It's a fun one. The Chargers. I think I believe in them too. I think that's a five seed or a six seed. Excellent defense. Excellent QB. Herbert's been really good this year. Excellent coach. They can block. Their receivers I think are a little better than we were expecting. That Quint Johnston who anybody could add in a fantasy draft, nobody took home. They have a two game lead for the wild card.

Here's the key though. Their next four is since E Baltimore at Atlanta at KC. So they probably have to go two and two out of those four three and one that they're golden, but two and two gets them to eight and five and they're cruising after that, but I think, I think that team knows who they are. And they're really well coached. Two weeks ago. I agree.

They were minus one 15 make the playoffs last week, minus three 10 now minus four 30 to make the playoffs. And I'm just not used to the chargers winning games. They're supposed to win, right? Like this is three weeks in a row, the Browns, the saints and the Titans. So big test next week, as we said, with the Bengals, that's a fun game. I have some 2024 Dallas Cowboys, silver linings for you. What?

I thought we were off this like 25 minutes ago. Silver lining. Number one, really good draft pick coming. You're not like a top seven pick. Good. Now, granted Jerry's going to probably trade up so he could take Travis Hunter and put it next to CD lamb and be like, Oh, look at our receivers. Oh, yeah.

Travis Hunter and CD lamb. Oh my God. We have no, nobody who could block, but look at those two receivers. Uh, good job. He'll mortgage everything to get Travis Hunter, Shador Sanders and Deon to coach. That'll be that's what I think I walked away. I think that's gotta be it. That's it. I think that would gotta be it. That's it.

I think that would have to be it. Would Larry David quit the Jets? Yeah. Cause then he's just screwing with everybody. Right. Now it's like, oh, this was a practical joke. All right, Jerry, you're funny. You're the funniest owner.

Silver lining Belichick or Vrabel? Who would you pick? You got choice of one. I think Vrabel. Um, I think that's the right thing. Really? Let's get into this. Why?

You're such a really good coach and he's like 25 years younger than Belichick. Right. Yeah. But his girlfriend is not. She's only four years old. Yeah. Girlfriends 20 years older than Belichick. It's crazy.

Uh, more silver linings. We don't have to watch TV segments about them anymore because I don't, I just don't think by, I don't know, week 15, there's nothing left on, no meat on the bone. NFL's in trouble a little bit with some of these night games and nothing they could do about Thanksgiving, but they, you know, one thing you could always say about the Cowboys, even if they were at a playoff contention, like, oh, everybody watches them because they have fantasy players. It's going to be, it could be tough to start CD lamb, CD lamb, but in like three

weeks, city Dallas has Luke in the maps. That's silver lining. And then even though you haven't made the super bowl since 95, there's a bunch of teams that have longer droughts than that. Oh, great. Detroit, Cleveland, the Jets, Minnesota. Miami hasn't made the Super Bowl since 1976. I know that.

Oh man, I feel so fucking good. I thought I needed to feel better. Oh, and curtains. You're going to have curtains in the stadium. So the receivers will get blinded. Was the last WrestleMania there when we were there? I think it was. They were showing the curtains they put up to block the sun and everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's this easy. They just use curtains. Yeah. You have the curtains.

Um, the new coach theory is back. House talked me out of it. That motherfucker on million dollar picks. He was like, we can't bet on Derek Carr. He tried to murder his teammate last week. I was like, fine, we won't bet on Derek Carr. He tried to murder his teammate last week. I was like, fine. We won't. And then new coach, Sarah wins Darren Rizzi, who sounds like somebody you would be buddies with coming and Brad and Darren Rizzi.

They're at the far Lake and he's in a fight with Ken. Harry had intervene cause Ken got mad at Darren Rizzi. Oh, there's so much truth to that. I like this guy. He's fun. I am I not rooting for this team? He talked about a clog in the toilet this morning and his morning shit before the game.

I was like, this should be my guy. And he has the players stretching out. He's like, one of my big things is well, what's the, uh, what's the crazy commercial we see all the time with the Rizzi, um, sky Rizzi. I mean, if he doesn't really make sense, he talked about clogging the toilet. We got to call the clogger. Yeah.

Oh, the clogger. Yeah. Clapper. Meet the clogger. Well, we had pit boss rich who treated us really well that one year with the Raiders. Yeah. We went on him a bunch of weeks. Now we got the clogger.

Oh, I love the clogger. The clogger's in, man. Is he going to do that? Is that good luck? Like, is he going to have to do that every Sunday now? Yeah. He's going to have to have a lot of like Metamucil and cheese the night before a game.

Bean burritos. Yeah. Um, oh, I broke my rule on bet on the Germany game, which I swore I wasn't going to do. I somehow, all my rules for the year, don and bet on the Germany game, which I swear I wasn't going to do. I somehow did all my rules for the year. Don't bet on the Germany game. Don't bet on a game with two bad teams. I just, I come, I was sitting on a plane, um, before takeoff, which is I think the

single most dangerous time to be on Fandual. Yeah. It's like, ah, giants, like, you know, just killing time. Yeah. Um, next one was Debo Samuel right or wrong for getting mad at the kicker. The guy missed three field goals. Like how many field goals did he have to miss? Right.

Wasn't it? No, he was mad at the kicker and the long snapper intervened. Oh, he went out and he got his throat. Yeah. Yeah. What an interesting thing. I don't know what happened with Debo. Um, there might be some medication issues.

Did you see what he came in like dressed as like down the tunnel? And then like, yeah, he had like leather, um, a nice little leather number up top and then shorts. And then he's like, uh, going after his long snapper's throat. But I think he's right. You can't go missing all these kicks. Well, what's the right number of miss field goals before you're really allowed to get mad at the kicker without repercussions? Like,

interesting. You missed seven. Could you get mad at him? Yeah, I think so. We have a friend. Three feels like the right number. And that three, like somebody in the team can at least side eye him. We have a buddy, Steven Green, who, um, kick and it was a great kicker in high school and then college and then quit. And then like, he was, we made a push for him to be on an arena team and those goalposts are like, it's nothing. It's really like 18 inches away from each other.

He missed, I think he was playing for like Gainesville, Florida or something. He missed the field goal and they were like screaming at him on the bus the whole way back to wherever he was. They were in Alabama. He had to drive Florida. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of, uh, there's a lot of that and just kicking in general. What happened? Like in September, these, they were blasting like 57 yards. It could no miss like a 40 yarder today. And we saw that with the lions too. That was crazy with the, with fair bar missing and lions just turning it right around.

This is a really bad omen for the Niners and it's something I've bet against over the years and it's been successful when it gets third playoff time. So before this game today, they were 30th and special teams DVOA. So we're one of the three worst teams. Today they had three missed field goals and they muffed a punt return. They might have the worst special teams in the entire league. There's no way that's going to turn out well for them in the playoffs. Like no way.

It always rears its ugly head. Week 18 round one, something bad happens with it. So I'm just flagging that out. They don't even get to play the Cowboys. I know I looked at that. Do you know how many yards total yards? I know you said Baker was great today. The Tampa had 215 total yards.

I said, how is that game close? How is that 23 thirds? He was great because you had to watch it when they're like sacking him and he's just not going down. Even Brady was making noises with some of the Baker. Wow. Yeah. Brady woke him up. Do they have a meter?

They should have a Brady noise meter. It's like, Oh, can Joe Flacco win the come down player of the year? He won come back player of the year last year, come down or is Sam John Darnold eligible just from the come back and then the come down in the same year could be come back or should we go away should be come back and go away. Award go away. Just leave. Use the go away, Lord? Go away player of the year? Just leave? Use the back door? I'll tell you what, I was proud of myself.

I live bet the Bills. I saw Flacco throw three passes. He definitely doesn't have that zip. Right? He looked bad last week too. Yeah, he did. Now it's all about how dare they bench Anthony Richardson. Two weeks ago, he was two weeks ago. He's like two for 15 at halftime with 28 yards.

How about they figure something out where they put them in packages and figure out how to use two quarterbacks. Is that the worst thing in the world? I'm so glad you brought this up. I've been dying for a team to do this where it's like one guy comes in one, and then the next series that's the other guy. And we just, if I'm the other team, I would hate that. It's like, well, both of these guys kind of suck, but now they're, you're using

both of them and I don't know what to do and what defenses to use basically. Listen, you're not going to raise the level of Anthony Richardson's confidence, putting them back there on third and 12, right? But if it's third and two and you're bringing them in, it's like, oh my God, now this guy's run for four first downs in a row, or if he's even faked a run and thrown from that's the way to build it back up. Seven turnovers combined for Joe Flacco and Sam Darnold today. We're going to take one more break for the podcast.

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I'm going to knock on wood. Um, the T's has made a little bit of a resurgence. Eagles Chargers hit, I hit a four teamer in real life. Eagles Chargers. Eagles Chargers. That's a two teamer. Ravens on Thursday night. And then what was the other obvious one today?

Eagles Chargers. Did you have the Chiefs? No, it wasn't the Chiefs. What was the other one one today? Eagles, Chargers. Did you have the Chiefs? No, it wasn't the Chiefs. What was the other one that was like a seven point game? Minnesota? No. San Francisco?

No. Chargers, oh Chargers is set. Chargers, Eagles. Oh, it was the Niners. Yeah. Yeah. That one hit. That was good. Yeah, I like the Te Niners. Yeah. Yeah. That one hit. That was good.

Yeah. I like the teasers. I did a deep dive on something with teasers and, and you know, you know, everybody always tells us we're playing it wrong. Like if a team's a five and a half point favorite and we tease it and then like the snooty gamblers don't talk to us for like three weeks, they get mad. Cross the line. Cause we cross the zero. They said never do a teaser unless you're crossing

the three key numbers, three, six and seven. So if it's on the plus side, you want to get it like plus one and a half, plus two, plus two and a half. And if you want to bring it down, it's eight and a half, seven and a half, right there. I agree with that. Yeah, no, I'm not going to do it. I just thought it was interesting.

Well, on the other hand, you just could have teased the bills today to like plus one and a half and you would have won because you had the bills in the case. Thursday night. Really good game. Eagles, Eagles Washington. I would say this is probably the most exciting Thursday night game we've had. There's real stakes. The vision's at stake. Washington could go from seven to two to seven and four and five days. Better hit it exactly. Cause I did. I was vacillating between two and a half and three.

And I went Eagles by two and a half. Good. All right. It's a three and a half. Oh, that's what I have. Okay. Not trusting. Little high.

I guess they think maybe the Eagles can run on Washington. That's a tough spot for Jayden Daniels, right? Still on the road and division. You know, they, they're not going to take the Eagles by surprise. That's for sure. Sunday marquee. It's a nice little seven point T's with Washington. Get them to 10 and a half Sunday marquee game chiefs bills game of the

year so far, probably right. Yes. So better, better game since maybe chiefs Ravens week one. Lots of fun. So as I said earlier, I would add the bills by one or one and a half, but I think after today, I just think the I Just think the chiefs are gonna be favored. I just have chiefs minus one wait What happened I had bills minus one and it's bills minus one and a half. But what what did I don't even understand that logic

What did you see out of the chiefs that you love there? It was more what I saw from the bills. I feel like with the receivers. What do you, what receivers being out? I mean, I feel like he's got so much to play. Coleman didn't play. I don't know if those guys are playing next Sunday. You know, they have tight ends.

I can catch the ball. They're that Ray Davis guy. I feel like Alan like gets it done. He figures it out eventually. Zero touchdowns and two picks today. Yeah. All right. And they still want to. So you're telling me I get to bet on Patrick Bahams as an underdog again, is what you're telling me. Well, that's great news. Because there's no better bet in sports and I'll be making it.

Well, you should make it soon because I'm also telling you that the one and a halfs have swung almost every time this year, so they could easily be giving one and a half. Well, the move is to tease them, tease them right now with at least one game. Yep. Do it with your beloved commanders. The watchables, five watchables this week, Steelers home for the Baltimore Ravens. I think the Steelers are going to be favored by one and a half. Oh wow.

Hey off. What do you mean? Way off. You'll love this in a teaser. I had Ravens by three. It's Ravens by three and a half. The fuck out of here. I guarantee I'm right on that.

I guarantee you're wrong. No, I'm saying I guarantee I'm my instinct on what that line should be is the right instinct. Oh, that's stupid. See, I thought the Steelers should have been favored over Washington, but Washington was favored over the Steelers, right? Baltimore's got a very big power. Steelers are good.

Other dudes are back. Now we'll see with Highsmith whether he's out for it because he hurt his ankle in the fourth floor. Yeah, he kind of need to have all hands on deck. Yeah, the Steelers were healthy until that happened, but. Well, they'll score. I mean, that's one thing with this Ravens, man, Look out. There's no shortage of points when you play them. Their defense stinks.

Yep. I should say their past defense stinks. I think you can, if you're within seven points of them in the last 10 minutes of the game, you can go down the field and throw the ball on them over and over again, and they can't stop it. That was a great, that was a great Thursday game too. That was a lot of fun. Yep. I just, and Zach Taylor, we just talked about that. And then you can go down the field and throw the ball on them over and over again. And they can't stop it. That was a great, that was a great Thursday game too.

That was a lot of fun. Yep. I just, and, uh, Zach Taylor, we, we kill them a lot, but go for two. Nice, nice. We need a different play, but that was a good decision. I thought it was a good decision. I thought to put up that kind of offense without Higgins was really impressive. And chase was obviously out of his mind, but, um, no, they're good.

And chase Brown had that fumble. And I just felt like that was an either or game and the Bengals have somehow lost three of those this year. I'm putting this in the watchables just because. Drake may for me is now just in the watchables category. And it's, it's, uh, I'm in charge against the lines. I can do whatever I want. That's true.

I have the Rams at the Patriots and had the Rams favored by three and a half. I said four and a half. It is five and a half. I was just a little bit off there. Stop it Vegas. Wait, what was the, what was the line today? That's stupid. That crowd's going to be in a, The Pats fans are in on Drake May.

This would be a good crowd on Sunday. I know. I'm seeing this. I think there's real excitement about him now. That's too high. I think that drops. Maybe a little. Jets Colts, I think has to be a watchables because this is the jets are kind of train

wreck TV now, right? It's like when my wife watches below deck Australia, not a good show, but weird shit's happening every episode. I feel like that's the jets. What is that shit? What is that? Below deck, your wife doesn't watch Below Deck? No, I'm on the Penguin right now.

I block everything out. No, it's a reality show. It's like these people that work on yachts and these people rent the yachts for a week so they have to work for the people, but it's all about like the underneath the boat, like all the relationships, they're all hooking up, getting mad at each other,

but then they have to deal with these people that rented the boat for the week. My wife loves the show. That's fun. Are you buying another yacht? Is that what you'd say? Another yacht. Well, you have one and then this would be a yacht. All right.

Come on. I'm just joshing. You're jashing. I'm just jashing. Yeah. joshing. I'm just joshing. Yeah. You're going to get this one. Jets home for the Colts. I have the Jets minus two. Oh, all right.

I had two and a half. It's three and a half. Come on. This is good. I haven't got one right yet. This is good. No, I'm up five nothing. This is insurmountable at this point.

It's usually a bad sign for my betting when I'm off on the lands like this. Well, I'd say. How long are they going to stay? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. This is insurmountable at this point. It's usually a bad sign for my betting when I'm off on the lands like this.

Well, I say long, how long are they going to be in the Jets corner? These odds makers? Cause this is a little bit silly. Yeah. I thought this would be the week when maybe they watched the Jets and saw that they gave up four 70 yard plus drives and 28 first downs and 57 plays. And we're like, maybe this seems not good. Broncos home for the Falcons.

This is like an actual good game that I'm excited to watch. Who would have thought. Falcons by one and a half over the Broncos. This was Falcons one night. You're going to think I'm screwing with you. It was Falcons one and a half. I said Denver minus one. It's Denver minus one and a half now.

I promise that's how it went. And they should be favored. Denver should be favored. You don't think they're better than Atlanta right now? I mean, Atlanta could have three less wins and it would totally make sense. Right. Last one, Niner Seahawks. It's in San Francisco.

I think this just absolutely pulsates at the Vegas zone. Now I'm going to say Niners by five. You get this one. I said four and a half. It's six and a half. That's high. I think they play two other next three weeks. Is that possible?

Yeah. So if you look at Seattle right now, which, oh no, they played already. Sorry. Yeah. Good. Seattle season isn't over, but it's not looking great. They're four and five and they have at San Francisco, home Arizona, at jets, at Arizona, and they have to go at least three and one of those four, I think,

to even sniff the playoffs. I agree. Four and Oh, ideally, but I don't know. But is Metcalf going to play like that? Yeah. It's, it seems so important to them. Like AJ Brownish. Be fairly watchable packers at the bears.

The bears are not watchable. I can attest to that today. I'm going to say Packers by three and a half of this. Yeah, I said that too. And we're way off. Let's say six and a half. Oof. I guess that makes sense because the bears look awful.

Everyone's out on them. Why can't Fandl be out on the jets like they are the bears? But I'll say this. If they fire their coach, I'll be betting the bears neck in. Oh, interesting. Does he have to clog the toilet or you'll do it like the clogger? Shit unseen. Yeah, I love the clogger.

Give up with a new coach. They did this podcast. This is a success. You did a good job? lions are home for the Jaguars and You can't quite go to ten for this I'm gonna say nine and a half Oh, you can I said eleven and a half. It's twelve and a half. Oh I mean, they're just gonna kill some teams, right? Yeah, but that's

I love that three team to Coming off like an emotional win. We're doing a three team. Oh, so we could three team tease that still at 12 and a half. That's what I mean. Yeah. You could, oh, you could get the Chiefs. Wait, can we take the Chiefs to 11 and a half? Yeah, you can. Oh, I'm doing that one. And then the Jets to plus six. No, no, no, no. And that touched enough. Last one is Dolphins Raiders in Miami. And I said dolphins by six and a half. You got it. Exactly. Good job. I said five, six and a half. It is

poop fact of Vikings at Tennessee. I have Vikings by three and a half. Oh no, you went low here. I said five and a half. It's six and a half. Oh, no, you went low here. I said five and a half. It's six and a half. Yeah. I'm putting that game on a upset watch. They're not screwing around with these lines. They're like, we're not, you know, even though I know the underdogs, you know, fired away today, they're making the Vikings easily, easily, easily could have lost that game today. The Jaguars. I know, but look at the numbers. I know. I get it. It was sitting there as a loss and the Jaguars are just too stupid. Saints are home for the Browns.

New coach theory. Still in existence for the second week. I got the Saints by one and a half. You get this. I had, I don't know. Why am I doing the Pick'em? That's so stupid. Uh, it's two and a half.

Sunday night. Chargers Bengals. Kind of a must win for the Bengals. Uh, I'm going to say Chargers by one and a half. Oh no. Are you making a comeback here? I said one, one and a half. It is. That's in O.A. I said one, one and a half. It is.

That's in, oh, I can't, I don't think there's gonna be a huge Cincinnati crack. Nine to five. Can we go to that? We should go to that and do the podcast right afterwards in the park. Sunday night. Monday night, Texans Cowboys battle for Texas. Putting it in the, in the man cusp of the Vegas zone Texans minus five and a half at Dallas. Oh no. I said seven at six and a half.

So I get it. That's a win. All right. You won the week. All right. Six, four, one overall. Oh, I love it. In weeks.

Yeah. That I, the league must be so pissed. They have to show the Cowboys in prime time. What a disaster. Can we talk basketball for one second? Sure. I'm going to go clog the toilet. Go ahead.

Uh, actually, let's take one more break for the podcast because I have a basketball thing I want to bring up. The faster money and data move, the further your business can go to a seamless digital future for Canadians. Let's go faster forward together. In Life, Interact. Let's go faster forward together in life interact. I have this basketball thing. I didn't want to wait till Tuesday because I think it's important. You know, you honest the bucks lost against today. They're two and eight. Yeah.

What's up? And I think the honest trade stuff is really going to start people making up fake trades. And so, as I said, I went to that net Celtic game on Friday and the nets are like pretty good. You know, they don't have like, they traded bridges for all these picks. They were supposed to try to tank. They got their pick back. They have just a shitload of picks.

They have Ken Thomas, who I was really impressed by, who's a very good scorer. They have Cam Johnson, they have had Nick Clarkson, they have Schroder's playing really well. They have like a bunch of good. Not stars, but like, like enough of a team that the team makes sense when you watch it, like they're good, they play defense. I like them. I think I actually think they're a playing team at least.

I think they can just go all in for Yanis because people are going to ask this week, who's the team that makes sense for Yanis and I could be like, what about Miami? What about, I actually think it's Brooklyn. I think Brooklyn's going to be the team that trades for them because they can just overwhelm Milwaukee with all these picks. They own their own first in 2025. They own Phoenix's first. They own the Knicks first.

They own Milwaukee's first, which is one through four protected. If it's five or after they get it. So the bucks can get their pick back. They own their own first in 26 and 29. In 27, they can swap with Houston, or Houston can swap with them. They own the Knicks first in 27. They have Philly one three protected at 27. They have their own, they have Knicks first in 29. They have another Dallas, Phoenix, Houston worst pick in 29. They have all their own first. They have a Knicks first in 31. Like they just can say, Hey Milwaukee, here's Ben Simmons is expiring contract. And here are all these picks.

Just take all of them, take as many as you want and give us Yannis and put Yannis in Brooklyn. I think it makes sense. Cause I think Milwaukee needs to get out of this, this Dame Yannis thing. I just think they have to trade Dame and trade Yannis and just, they won the title, get out of this. And to me, it's either Brooklyn or Houston. Cause Houston's the other team that could, they have picks and young players. It's just like, if I'm Yannis, would I rather go to Brooklyn or Houston? because Houston's the other team that could, they have picks and young players.

It's just like, if I'm Janice, would I rather go to Brooklyn or Houston? I don't know. So anyway, is it crazy to think Brooklyn could trade for Janice? No, why not? Well, could you go over there? Picks they have one more time. No, but I just wanted to make the point of how many picks they had. How about this though?

Here's the only way I can be helpful. I'm looking at the nets to make the playoffs 22 to one. Why would you do something like that? So this is why I brought be helpful. I'm looking at the nets to make the playoffs 22 to one. Why would this is why I brought this up because to me it's conceivable that out of nowhere it would be like, Oh my God, Brooklyn traded nine first round picks at Benson's his contract and two swaps for this is the most picks anyone's ever given up for a player in the history of the NBA. But then you look at Brooklyn. So regular season wins right now.

They're over as 21 and a half. You look for to make the playoffs. Yes. Is 22 to one. Yeah, that's the bet. To win the conference. Um, they don't have it for the East right now, but the point is like, if you think Yonis is going to get get traded play them play Houston. I

Don't think gold state has enough because walk is gonna want to picks and that I think it's Houston or Brooklyn are the two Teams that have all the picks so if they had odds for where Janus is traded to I haven't seen them if they do I don't think they do they wouldn't be 22 to 1 for the Nets, right? They would not so this would be the bet like there would be like 6 to one for the nets, right? They would not. So this would be the bet. Like there would be like six to one for the nets or something. Like Houston's minus, Houston's minus 128. Houston has, um, Houston made that trade. They have Brooklyn's 2026 first. They can swap Brooklyn in 27. They have a Phoenix first 27. They own all their own banks. They have a Phoenix or Dallas first 29.

Like they have enough to put a Yana's thing together with some contracts, give them a young player. The problem is they gave extensions to green and Shangoon. So I don't think those guys can be in the trade, but, um, but they could patch stuff together. But I think those are the two teams. I think that, I don't think Miami has enough. Miami would have to put Atta-Bio in it. And if you're Miami, you're trading Atta-Bio and all of these picks to basically put

Giannis on the same kind of team he's on now. Right. If you're Brooklyn, you have all these role players you can put with them. Then you'll have the cap space maybe to get some other guys. You have shooting, you have, I don't know. Anyway, I just want to put that. My wife was saying it's all the same things today. Yeah.

Let me ask you this. Giannis, if I would have told you second week in November, Giannis is 25 to one to win MVP and he's not injured. What would you have thought happened? Like what the hell would you? I would have thought he got hurt. Yeah, but I'm telling you, he's not injured. Like this is, I guess you would just have,

they'd have no wins. I guess is what you would have to think. Well, the crazy thing is he'll never be 25 to one again. No, but let's say he got traded to Houston and they became like a four seed. Yeah. You know, those are the only two teams I can see. Cause I'm going to go through everybody else. I'm going to bet these.

The, uh, if you go through all the other teams, I just don't see another team. Cause some people have thrown golden state around and I don't see how they could do a trade that could compete with Brooklyn. If I'm Brooklyn, I need to do, I need to do whatever I can to get Yanis because I'm completely irrelevant. But how much is this you're drumming this up and or like there is a very big favorite Because I went to the game friday and I was really impressed by the team they had No, but would they would they trade they're likely not going to trade like what's the odds that they've been?

Oh If it like let's say they made me a consultant to the franchise and they're like, what do we do? I would like trade yanis and dame right now Yeah, like you have no chance to win a title with this team. Trade these guys. Now you got the title from Yanis. You have no picks left. You have no path to ever be, ever be a title contender with the group you have now.

Like cut the cord. Now try to trade for one of these teams before these picks go away to somebody else. Cause the only other team is Oklahoma city and they're not going to do anything. All right. I'll do 22 to one. I mean, I have to, it has to make sense that I lost the last seven minutes of my life. I have to do 22 to one here. I like it.

Listen, this will be a YouTube clip that gets at least 80,000 views. Saruti is so excited. Saruti sending tech. Saruti come in for a second. Are you there? Oh no. I love Sarudy.

What's he doing? Sarudy? What's up? Brooklyn or Houston? Is there anyone else? Why does Giannis want to go there? Why does he want to go to Brooklyn? Oh, that's the other thing.

Why does he want to stay in Milwaukee? I mean, it just seems like if he actually is pulling the plug on this and I want to get out, he's going to have more suit. I just feel like he's going to have the pull to be like, I don't want to go to Brooklyn, dude. This is like the worst place in the NBA for me to go. New York City. Is it though? Technically, yes. I know. Wow. He's right too. No state taxes?

Houston's great. Yeah. I mean, they have the assets. Like I mean mean, that'd be a great spot for him, but I, I just, I don't know why anyone would want to go to Brooklyn. Damn it's Rudy. Golden state would be the other one if, uh, but I just don't know what the trade is with that. Cause they don't have the same kind of picks, cominga. It's just, it's not even close to what the other teams could get. All right.

It has to be like, I don't want to be there, right? Have to be, Hey, I just trade me here. Like, but he just on a contract essentially. What levers does he have? I don't know. I was thinking like, what if, what if it was Anthony Davis and all the rest of the Laker picks, what do they trade have to look like? But I didn't even, it was like this door.

I didn't even want to open. It's like the door in the attic that you don't want to open because there's some ghosts that's going to come out. Does Lebron agree to it if they want Bronte? If Milwaukee says we're only doing it if you throw Bronte. Bronte has to be in the trade to make the salaries work. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

Those are the only ones you go through all the teams. It's really hard. All right. Thanks to Rudy. Thanks for throwing are the only ones. You go through all the teams, it's really hard. All right, thanks, Saruti. Thanks for throwing water on my Brooklyn. I did. Sorry. Let's do some parent corner. What do you got?

Let's do it. What do I have here? Oh, all right. So, well, first of all, there's a lot of traveling in these tournaments, and we have friends in town, so I told my wife, I'm like, I can't go wherever the tournament is.

It's in Santa Barbara, which is not close. Right. So that's an overnight thing. My wife goes with my son. It's a baseball tournament. It's two days. They leave like Friday, right after school. Um, first of all, the school thing is crazy.

They had teacher conferences all week. So they're out at noon every day, five days in a row out at noon off Monday for, uh, for vet's day tomorrow. Okay. So anyway, they go on this thing. You're not going to have a problem with this, but I promise it's relatable. I see on the parent text chain that my wife paid for the dinner last night and it's like, Hey, there's no way to tell how much everybody paid. So you could Venmo me here and there wasn't a lot of, oh, thank you so much. Yes, I will Venmo you right away. And I'm looking at this bill right when I have a ton on the chief's money line. It looks

like they're about to fucking blow it. I'm like, no, it's like the worst news I saw on my phone. about to fucking blow it. I'm like, no, it's like the worst news I saw on my phone in months. Well, you had the team tied to a whole bunch of games yesterday, right? Oh, yeah, exactly. I had a lot of it from Saturday coming over. I'm like, shit, I'm going to get 30% of the money back. But anyway, that's no big deal. Whatever that ends up being, fine.

My kid goes, they win, they come in second place. And there's a picture of the team with their second place rings. And everybody's fun. It was happy. It was like five or six games during the weekend and they had their rings. And I'm scanning the picture and there's my kid with a sour puss face, not even showing his ring, purposely putting his hand behind his back because he's not okay with coming in second place. And I was like, so he just came home before the podcast. They just made it home. I was like, dude, look at this.

You look ridiculous here. This kid's laying on the dirt, like celebrating, waving, showing their rings. He's like, I don't like it. I don't even like the ring. I'm not even gonna display it. And it's like, it's like a, kind of like a nice ring for a kid.

I was like, you're a Cowboys fan and a Mets fan. Like you have to get used to losing by now. Second place is great. Yes, exactly. Look at how the country is reacting to second place. Yeah. You should love it. So I don't know if I should push this more or

where should I be? This is a delicate balance, right? I don't want to lose. I love it. He's a championship kid. He just wants titles. That's it. Yeah. Like 8% of his team. He's all about the titles. It's just him. All right. That's it. He doesn't like this trophy generation we live in. He wants real titles. He doesn't want to pat generation we live in. He wants real tight, real titles. You know what a pat, no back for finishing second.

I do respect it, but I'm going to take that ring and sell it and try to get some of that dinner money back from last night and my wife will never recoup. You don't think she's going to be circling back a week from now? Like, Hey, just a heads up. No fucking way. Some of you still owe me for dinner on Saturday. Cause they'll be like, Oh, Margaret owes me. But then I had a drink with her the other day. So it all evens out.

It's all going to even out somehow. Except there's going to be no money coming our way. I do love the parents though. I do. I have to say most of them listen to this podcast, but it just, the timing of it with the chiefs and the field goal, it wasn't ideal. So I went back to Boston cause, uh, you know, my daughter plays soccer for Emerson and she got, she was hurt last year, which we talked about on the pod.

And she had a hamstring and then a knee thing and the knee thing didn't go away. It didn't go away. And by February, it still wasn't going away. So we started going to doctors to see what was going wrong. I didn't talk about this, but, um, I had these different opinions from people thinking what it was, one of the doctors thought she might have like a partially torn ACL and we were like, Oh my God, like you get surgery out for a year. Another one was like, no, it's just banged up.

You got to rehab the muscles around it. It's going to heal. Um, it's bru you have a really bad bruise. Basically, every doctor said something different. So we decided, all right, just rehab your legs, put real time and then try to build everything up around, get in really good shape and see if you can come back.

So she really was committed to it. The whole spring, the whole summer, she didn't play spring soccer. She didn't really start practicing until August and just tried to work on her legs, getting back and they put her on her minute schedule. Raises up raises up and we get to beginning of October, start the league play. She scores in the first game. Two days later, somebody bangs her in the knee.

She's a bruised knee, like we're Paul George head. So now she's like limping around and we're just like, and she's like, I'm so tired of being injured. Um, this sucks. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking like, this really might be it. Like I can see her, you know, like she's just so tired of being hurt. And so she was still playing, but not as much. And she was like 80, 90%, but not a hundred. Um, and then the last week or so she felt good again. And so they put, they gave her more minutes. So they were in the league playoffs and she played a lot of minutes in the

Tuesday game and they won and she scored. So they went, they had around two games. So I was like, I'm fucking flying back. I was like, I'm going back. That's it. So flew back. They had this game, um, which they lost one, nothing. It was like your classic flew back. They had this game, um, which they lost one, nothing. It was like your classic soccer game that they had most of the chances and whatever, but she played like 78 minutes and she looked like her. It was the first time she really looked great, you know, this last week where she's flying around. And I was just thinking like, I was like, I thought it was going to be over, you know,

and now we got two years left hopefully, and hopefully she could stay healthy. But I was thinking like with the stuff you talk about with your son, when you go through all these little steps with them, um, you know, from like AYSO in the beginning to when they're on club team and you kind of don't know when the journey's going to end. And it was just really cool to watch her flying around a hundred percent. I was like, I didn't know if I was going to see it again. That's great.

So now she's got two years left. She's going to hopefully keep the legs going and you know, you got to keep your fingers crossed. You never get hurt. But, but we were talking about after I was like, you have two years left and then that's it. Especially like people who play D three, you know, a lot of them are doing it cause they, you know, they're not getting paid to play for the school. It's not like when you get a scholarship in D1, but you really, the people that stick with it, like really love it.

And she really loves it. So, um, that's awesome. There are pro leagues though. What do you, what do you mean? That doesn't have to be over. You know, but you see as, as your kids get older and you see all the teammates they had and people start dropping out, right. And they drop out for different reasons. They get hurt.

They don't want to keep the commitment to it. And at some point people hit some sort of thing where they're like, do I really love doing this and having a part of my life or I don't, and they can, that's when they, they kind of go sideways with it and it might happen when they're 15, 16, maybe they get a boyfriend, like, and then some people stick with it. So she, you know, she's, she still really loves it, but it was, uh, it was super cool watching her fly around. That's great.

Cause it was like, I was thinking like, I've been watching her play soccer since I was, you know, since 2009, 2008, whatever. Uh, but it was cool. I was glad I flew back. We got to hang out, went to the South, the game on Friday. Um, good times. Listen, I'm proud of her for scoring a goal. I have the second place ring if she liked, it might be a little small, but if she, uh, I could ship it to her there.

But not love. Do you know, it's a great, it's fun and enjoy the next two years, but it gets me mad that how did they, why are there four opinions on this knee? Like if you would add surgery, that dude would have been robbed of that. And what, I know, well, who knows if we even made the right decision or not, you know, I'm sure we're going to look at it again, but it's, it's, the body's like a crazy thing. You have these different people look at it and it's like the writer on, they see what they see, right.

And, and they judge it a certain way. But, um, you know, sometimes you start wondering as somebody's snake bit, you know, like, God damn, how do you, how does you bang the same knee right after it was finally out there again? Right. Uh, anyway, she loves it. It was fun. It was, uh, you know, I think next year's team will be good.

So it was a good experience. Nice. That's good. Um, I'm trying to think I have one more more Paracorder thing for you I wanted to mention. Oh, I can't see. I can't do any of the Ben Simmons ones. Can we do like a Patreon where it's just like it's a subscription one? Well, I don't know if the subscription, if it's worth, we'll pay for your medical expenses, I guess. So yeah.

I just really wish I can do the Benson influence. If you asked them ahead of time, said, can I talk about this? He would absolutely say no. I should probably, we should probably be recording them. And then 10 years from now, I can run some of them. Oh, he's like 27. Seems like the way to go. Um, all right.

That's it for parent corner. What else do you have anything? That's it. Uh, through the ringer with Tate do you have? Anything? That's it. Through the Ringer with Tate against the Lods a couple of times this week. We did the Ringer pregame show. I'm eight and two with my wisest wagers. I was going to be so mad if the Texans plus three and a half didn't cover.

And Roy Jones Jr. on Cousins Sal's winning weekend. We're going to talk about the Tyson fight. A lot of people now like Tyson. It's plus two 30. It was plus two 50. It's tightening up and I bet it's even tighter than, than that come like Friday. I don't know. You seem bummed out about the Tyson's fight.

It's everything you like and everything you don't like all wrapped into one sporting event. What's the most, the most likely scenario? He just gets jabbed to death. They give Paul the decision because he's the more marketable fighter and Tyson doesn't care. Is that probably the most, right? He wins by decision. Tyson's so old.

I just don't understand how he would win a fight against anybody. Yeah. I watched Paul against fury again. Uh, you know, the Tyson furious brother who was the only real boxer. Yeah. It was good. He's DC. He was decent again. He lost, but he was decent.

Yeah. We're betting Tyson. Who would you be? Yeah, we're definitely been testing. We were watching that fight together too. I think. Yeah. Um, all right, cuss good job by you as always. Good job by you buddy. Definitely. We were watching that fight together too. Yeah. Hell yeah.

All right, Cus. Good job by you as always. Good job by you, buddy. I'm just whipping on the wayside On the brussel I never want to say