The Bill Simmons Podcast - Eagles Spit Takes, Week 1 NFL Picks, and a Possible Clippers Scandal With Joe House

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House to react to the Eagles-Cowboys 'TNF' game (3:19). Then, they talk about their Ringer 107 picks for the week (22:50), before discussing the Kawhi Leonard–Clippers scandal (1:22:29). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Joe House Producers: Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Steve Ceruti Get up to 40% off Back to School Essentials on Uber Eats. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Paid endorsement. All right. We are recording this part. It is 12.20 Eastern Time. We had a Cowboys Eagles game that went on forever. because there was a lightning delay. I kind of lost track of everything. The game had no flow. All of a sudden, it's like the Cowboys might win.

Does Dallas win this game with Michael Parsons? I'm going to start there. Not to do first takey, but their defense looked good. Wow. Their defense looked good. Well, it looked good in the third period. You know, we had a post-a-hockey game.

Yeah. Post-ladening. But they were flying around and hit guys. The first half, they looked terrible. Yeah. But I was. they could have stolen this game and they were one guy short and then

C.D. Lamb obviously a big drop down the stretch too bad. Here's the one guy short and this was the criticism of the team building in the offseason. They attempted to address the running back room and they got half of it right. But Miles

Sanders put the mother effing ball on the carpet at the Eagles 10 yard line and that was the difference in the football game. In the third quarter when neither team had stopped the other. We hadn't seen any puns up to that point. Each team was scoring at will and Miles Sanders put the ball on the field. That's a replacement level running back. And that's what happens team building wise when you're not, you know, building with a serious eye. So that

would be my criticism. Or when you're not paying an advertising company, it's a circumsense salary cap. Not that anyone did that. Not that anyone did that. Oh boy. Oh boy. It's 2420 third quarter. Dallas is kind of driving third and like 22 and there's a huge late hit on the Philadelphia safety on the tight end on a pass that's already incomplete. And it feels like Dallas is going to take the lead and there's real energy because the Eagles look a little lethargic on offense. Sanders fumbles the next play. Lightning delay. And then we have this NBC crew that we've poked some fun at on some berries pods. Now forced to to fill for like a solid hour.

This was not on the agenda. Jack Collinsworth is like, wait, I have to, is this like a podcast? What's going on here? And had the other crew and it was just not great TV. I moved over to the U.S. Open. What did you do during the lightning delay? Just eat. No, I slept.

I thought this is going to take. Grant a quick shut eye. Porto Rico slept also. He couldn't remember the name of the Eagles quarterback. He called Jalen Hertz. Prescott about six times after the rain delay. Yeah, I mean, neither of us are in any position to really make fun of people for forgetting names

or doing malapropisms. But after the sixth time, he called Jailen Hertz Prescott, even I was like, wow. I mean, we're not on TV. Yeah, this is tough. It was a very even game, though. Like, look at the numbers. Yeah, it was like, you know what it was?

It was a classic dumb week one game. Sure. I learned nothing. I don't know what was going on with the Eagles offensive line. Jalen Carter, we haven't even talked about that yet, gets thrown out for spitting. We have, you know,

defensive, you know, star defensive linemen from each team. He immediately evened the score in that regard. Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe he felt bad for the Parsons trade. So he spits in that press spot. So they get a guy heard on the opening kickoff

and as they're carting the dude off, Jalen Carter spits on Prescott, gets thrown out. We don't see until halftime this video, Prescott kind of spitting toward In the direction, yes. Yeah, I don't know if that warranted

the spit on the chest. That's just fucking gross. I really didn't. I don't think Prescott was violated enough. One's a penalty and one is not. I mean, they're saying that Carter might face additional, you know, penalties. Yeah, on the gross spit scale,

on a scale of zero to Brett Hart Hawking a Lugie on Vince McMahon in the Montreal screw job match which is the most disgusting spit anyone's ever spit at anyone else this was I think about a four I think if he named it a little higher

and got some of the neck that maybe gets out to like a six I'm glad he didn't I basically put it right here but I would still would you think about a jersey change at that point I'm not sure I did wonder did somebody run out with wipes I didn't see the you know the aftermath but I'm surprised to hear you say that you didn't learn anything because to me, immediately what strikes the eye is how competent Dallas is on offense when Dak Prescott is the quarterback.

Like, it's radical how competent their offense is. And Pickens and CD, that's a problem. I mean, you know, they'll figure out holding on to the ball. You know the Pickens is going to have one dumb penalty a game. but they can get vertical and Dak is happy to throw the ball down the football field. I mean, I thought that Dallas offense, especially the script on the first drive, it was magnificent. Now, they did get to take advantage of the offensive line being able to push around the Eagle front without Carter.

And they were able to establish the run with Williams. But I thought it was a pretty masterful script. Schadenheimer was in his bag. And Dak Prescott is a bad. I think that's fair. So maybe I was discounting it a little because the Eagles had already lost a few guys in free agency and they lose, you know, one of the 12 or 13 best defensive players in the league. I don't know where he ranks, but Carter is certainly the best guy in the Eagles.

And he's out before the game even starts. And it just felt like it felt like it tilted the Eagles in the wrong direction. I wrote down to your point, Dallas looked a little. little discount Cincinnati-ish to me. Okay. Not quite boroughed Chase Higgins, but in the, in the vicinity of a reasonable impression of them. And I thought Dak was slinging it around, you know, there were a couple good Pickens

plays. They get a big pass interference with Pickens too, so that doesn't count in the stats. And then Lamb's wide open on that, on that long pass. You know, of course, if you flip it around the other way, the Eagles dropped at least two interceptions. True. Did all that stuff. I also thought, let's be honest, like, how many hospital balls did

deck throw at least five? Poor Ferguson. He's just leading people in the death. It's like watching Steve Grogan in the 70s. But Dallas goes, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, field goal, no punts in the first half, and they're trailing. Not a good sign. Well, I mean, it's kind of according to script.

We anticipated that the Dallas defense was. going to be vulnerable and it took the first two periods of the game for them to kind of figure it out third period they were pretty good though to your observation they were flying around you're like doing hockey we had three gay three three portions to the game you should say try best at this point and then we had the third quarter and then we had the rain delay and then we had you know the fourth quarter calling it periods i think i think the eagles um they seemed a little thrown off after the tragic death of A.J. Brown. Oh, wait. I'm being told he was alive for four hours.

I mean, where was he? Did he play? Was he hurt? Where was he? It's amazing. They stuck with the same script. I mean, they had one completion of eight yards or more until they finally got one down the field to Jehan Dotson for a 50-yarder. But, you know, look at the attempt. the completions and the total yardage for Hertz, hurts through the ball less than 25 times, completed less than 20, and ended up with about 150 yards of passing.

The big advantage is still the running. Can I give you a theory? I'm listening. I think they had a Milton Burled this one. Okay, okay. They got at Kansas City in week two, Rams week three, at the bucks in week four, Broncos week five,

and then at Giants, at Vikings. So just good defenses across the board. This to me feel like how much can we pull out of the zipper and still get the pee in the urinal? I don't know. Kind of a game. You can't lose week one, though, to a divisional opponent. I mean, I feel like...

I get it, but do you think they were ever, like, really worried they're going to lose? Because the way they coached in that game, I thought was pretty strange. Dallas had the ball with three minutes left and men were moving. Did you feel like there was urgency on offense for the Eagles? I did not. No. It was like, oh, let's run this cool play. Oh, here's this formation they won't be expected.

They were like the most misdinary position offense I've ever seen. It was like just the most boring version of the Eagles you could possibly get. For sure, in the fourth quarter. That's absolutely accurate. The whole second half. Okay. And I thought if Hertz hadn't busted some plays with his legs, you know, so basically some broken plays that didn't work, you know. I don't know.

I just thought it was weird. but this is why, again, I'm trying not to say I learned anything from week one because we do this in week one every year and these teams are going to be radically different. I do have a couple questions for you, though. I had the Eagles over 11-and-a-half wins. Did you have them over or under?

Over. Or right at it. Maybe I wanted to pick them to win a 11. I think we both had a whiff over. It was either 11 or 12. I mean, I don't want to misrepresent. Well, I had over. I'm wavering a little after.

watching that because of a i i just didn't think their front seven looked as fierce as he used to and i didn't think their offensive line looked that good we can't possibly have an opinion on their front seven without carter i mean you know i get it he's too important i get it i just like watching that team today i was like man 12 and five with the next six games they have especially i just well the reason i don't know if i would go over after watching what i watched today but again it's a week one over yeah the reason that that you would say you know right around 11ish with some regression from last season is because of

it takes time for new bodies on that defense to get the Fangio scheme. And that's just, you know, we've seen it so many times everywhere he goes. It just takes a minute. And they have tremendous turnover on defense.

It's like six new starters. So as a Washington Sewards fan, you didn't watch that game and go, oh, doors open this season. I think we can catch these guys. I need to see the Washington defense first before I have an opinion on what Washington is capable.

of, I mean, I'm not worried about the offense. This is like a sober house. Maybe we should have put throwing some shots in you. This is a reasonable, reasonable house. It's money-making time. We are squarely in the mode of time to go try cash some tickets. I had Dallas tonight. I said Dallas on the show with Cousin Sal and Dubundo.

I'm happy. That was too many points. It played out just like the way you said, a dumb week one game. These teams were close. And Dallas showed us. This is one of my favorite bets of the entire. preseason was Dallas over at seven and a half that that team is is an at least an eight win team with that offense you kidding me with that offense eight and nine okay somewhere between

six and nine but i would probably lean toward the six seven range i uh i think that the very least when they're getting a lot of points like that they're a backdoor cover team waiting to happen sure okay if they were up 11 in that game with five minutes left i just would have assumed they were going to come down and score but i do think they're very similar to the bengals that was one of one of my big uh things that i thought might be the case heading into the season and that's definitely the case now i'll say this their offensive line might be better than the bengals because dac had time and they established the run it's not i mean but you know if you're going to compare into the bagels we're making it seem like

DAC was Tom Brady in 2007 he was 188 yards for no touchsons but pass interference and a couple of drops that probably could have been a little bit better next question for you

do you think the Giants after what you saw today can the Giants have a chance to definitively have the best defense in the NFC East I guess we'll find out on Sunday after we're going to look at it. I've got to find out I we had that in our threads on paper.

It's apparent. And the way that these two defenses played, again, the Eagles without Carter, so it's not really appropriate as a measure for what that defense is capable of. By the way, they might be with Adam in week, too. Fair enough. The whole spitting

spitting fiasco. Dallas has their next what they got. They have, oh, home giants, at bears, home packers. It's their next three. that feels like a one and three that's a tough start to the season yeah um next thing i have for you before we get to uh all of our picks and everything else we already did um

the taunting thing i just got to get this off my chest so every year they have to throw one dumb new wrinkle with how to affect the style of play i almost feel like so it can be a conversation point for people like us and for people watching the game on social media they want to like tweak one thing and make it weird and make people go, wait, what just happened? And today it was the taunting, where I think it was, who's a Nolan Smith, good tackle, did a did like a bodybuilder pose after. Yeah, a little flex. And it was a huge play because I think it would have been like third and 12, third and 13,

gets the taunting. Nobody knows what's going on. And about a half hour later, the Eagles get the fumble recovery. and I forget who got the fumble, but he leads everybody in the end zone so they can do a choreographed 15-second tush-push celebration. And it's like, so on the one hand,

I can't taunt anybody. I can't do elevate in any way, any sort of aggression. On the other hand, take 15, 20, 25, 30 seconds to taunt the entire team with some sort of goofy celebration. What are we trying to do here?

Which way are we going? Get somebody who knows what they're talking about on that's not me. But my instinct is that their taunting goal is to not have guys in the face of other guys. And then Nolan Smith was too close, too proximate to a Dallas guy because they're trying to lower the temperature. They don't want, you know, hand-to-hand combat. But, I mean, that's just a dumb theory. It's just football? Like, is it what's supposed to happen?

You have a hit? You do something. and then you kind of, you let it out? It's a rule for nobody. Like, who is that? What goal are we serving with calling a penalty on the Nolan Smith play? Like, in whose interest are we asserting that this is outside the bounds of conduct that's desirable? Yeah.

By the way, this was a game that had multiple big fights in it and a guy spitting on the quarterback of the other team. So I don't know. The ship might have sailed. I don't know what they're trying to do with this, but I feel like that taunt. thing, it's going to swing a game at some point in these first three weeks and people are going to lose their fucking minds. Properly so. It's going to be like fourth down, two minutes left, big play, you know, some sort of dumb taunting

thing, all of a sudden a second fourth down and they convert it. It's the worst kind of penalty because it is 1,000 percent in the judgment of the referee standing there to make a quick, a snap assessment as to whether or not it rises to the level of a foul. And that's the worst. Because there is no bright line. Nobody watching tonight's game would say, oh, he crossed the line. We don't even have to have

a debate as to whether or not Nolan Smith crossed the line. He didn't. We've seen that football play 10 million times. It's perfectly within bounds. Nobody's upset. Good job by him with the tackle. Good job by him celebrating. Can we just play football? No. We're going to have

these judgment calls by these guys who are, you know, coming from from bad angles, bad, you know, trying to make a judgment. And it's going to, like you say, it's going to tilt the outcome. And it's going to make everybody lose their minds. He would have been better off leading his teammates over the side and performing the Macarena with them. They would have been like, this is great.

Hey, Macarena. That's a penalty. Pellity on you. A bad musical choice. A flag on you. All right. Well, we didn't learn that much today. We did learn, though, that that was too many points.

and it's something maybe that we should consider going forward. We talked about a couple of the higher line games, but just in general, week one, clumsy, weird, awkward, new guys and new places. Nobody's practiced enough. And just let's be careful out there. We are going to take a break and then House and I are going to bang out the week one slate in the first batch of Ringer 107 picks. I can't wait house.

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I was power walking around L.A. It was 130 degrees. And little young Dubundo, it was like watching a little kid at the Thanksgiving table with his uncles, just being so excited. The vibe was great. I just loved it, house. That's so nice of you to say. I'll say, for me, it felt like the three of us have been pals for, you know, 30 years.

Like, then the bundo fit in seamlessly. It gave a nice energy to the old guys, me and cuz. But yeah, man, the thing that the three of us have in common, dirty gamblers. I mean, we are going to get filthy on these Wednesdays. You got it. The only idea,

I sent you guys was let's get weird. The last segment should just be the weirdest bet you actually might make during the week. And we're going to talk about a ton of bets right now. So we're in this Ringer 107 contest that it's going to be our show against the fantasy football show, the Thursday ringer gambling show, the Friday Ringer Gambling show, and then Shield Capoddy a solo, Unabomber style on Friday. It's just on his pod. I love that.

And we're picking five games a week and then 17 games during the playoffs. It's 107 picks total. We are apparently favored on Fandul to win this contest house. With good reason. I mean, I'm giving a standing ovation to Fandul. They understand. Old wise guys. That's just doing great.

We're going to go through the whole slate. And I want to initially go through the stayaway bets because there are a few of them. What we did was House and I, you're going to have one. I'm going to have two and we're going to agree on two. And that's going to be our five. One of those is going to be a parlor. But I really, this gives us a chance to go through the entire suite. And there's some stayways.

But there's some, I'm really surprised how much I like the slate. Do you find as you look at it? And maybe we've just been staring at these teams for four, five months. But I feel like I have a really good handle this week. How about you? So I totally agree. One of the things I found myself doing this week was reconsidering some of, I had strong conviction at the beginning of the week.

The line started like too, like too strong? Well, this is the concern. Some of the lines started moving in the direction against the sides that I like. You know, the price got more expensive. So I was like, damn it, I don't, if everybody is betting in the direction that I want to go, like the Ravens went from underdogs to favorites over the course of the week. There was a half point added to the Jags and the Panthers over the last couple weeks. There's more, more examples.

Everybody is on the Giants. That line is all the way down to five and a half. It was seven early in the season. That was going to be one of my picks. I thought we were going to be able to get Giants plus seven and a half. Now it's like basically under six. Yeah, it's five and a half right now on the Fandall Sportsbook. So I got nervous.

And as a result, when we have this conversation about what we end up with, I just went back to some of the hits, man. I'm like, who can I trust? What quarterback and coach can I trust to get the job done in week one, Bill Simmons? I'm so excited that we're going to be a line this year. I did a million dollar picks for a while. was fun. The figures were confusing. I felt like at any time I could game the system. This is just pure. We're doing 107 picks and we want to get to 60 wins.

I want to go 1647. I would take 1647 right now. Would you? Really? It's an incredible outcome. What do you mean you would take that? Of course you would take that. It really takes 65 and 42. But 1647. Buddy, that's an amazing outcome, 1647. I'm shooting for the stars. All right. No reason not. too. All right. Stay away. I have six. Browns, Bengals, the Browns are in Cleveland. That just made you like spasm and hit your mic. Browns are in Cleveland. Bengals notoriously suck in the first two weeks of the season. I'm not sold in their defense. Neither are you. Browns plus five

and a half. There's a lot of good home underdog division that like you, you know all the bets. The home underdogs at home for week one or like 23 and seven. I'm not taking the Browns. I just crossed this one off because if I had to bet I would take the Browns, I'm crossing it off. So you agree with that, correct? Totally fair. And I do agree. I think the one thing that especially counsels in favor of caution is, what if the Brown's defense is like the defense that they had at home in 2023? Remember that? And the Browns know the Bengals. They give the Bengals a hard time. There are a lot of reasons in favor of the Browns. And yet, we're not betting on the Browns in week one.

Just not going to do it. Not betting on the Browns. If there was a bet, I'm just not betting in the Browns. I'm not betting on Joe Flacco, nothing. If there was a bet I would do, I would do like an alt, high Bengals, like Bengals winning by like 20 plus one of those. I get it. The Bengals just blowing them out.

And it's like 35 to 7. It's like, oh, the Bengals, here they are. But I'm not going near that game. Well, it feels like if you're going to do that, do that or bet the Browns on the money line. stay away from the straight up next one is your team the Washington C words they're playing the Giants their home the line has moved two points I love the Giants now I'm scared there's some not positive the Giants are 100% healthy for this one either

and there's a lot of people on the bandwagon it's one where I like the Giants going being better than people think I have Washington being worse than people think but now it just feels this feels silly now. I don't know how your team's giving less than six points. Right. And, you know, I've said on this very podcast that I am very afraid of this particular matchup. Jane Daniels was good

last year against the Giants, but Washington beat the Giants last year by three points and by five points. And the three points was in week two when the Giants did not have a field goal kicker. And as a result, I had to go forward on fourth down. I forgot about that.

Yeah, and that's the reason that Washington won that game. I would probably do Moneyline plus 220 Giants in the under, 45 and a half, some sort of parley if I played this game. But I think it's an official stayaway. I don't like how many people are on the Giants. Next one is Colts Dolphins, which is just automatic as a stayaway. I don't want to bet on the dolphins. I don't want to bet on Daniel Jones.

The line's one and a half that the cousin I called the TikTok zone. Tyree Kill, there's some bleak stuff with him. where he's limited at practice again. I don't, I want to see, this is one of those where I want to see both teams. I want to know what's going on

with the Dolphins' D-Backs. I want to know what's going on with their offensive line. I want to see, is that Ollie Gordon going to be awesome for Miami? I want to see, how are they going to use Daniel Dimes?

Is Tyler Warren just going to be awesome? Are they going to be able to throw the ball? I'm probably not going to see a lot of it because I don't know if this is making a multi-view for me. Maybe watching the highlights. Yeah. Seems like a good one. for the highlights. This is a stayway

correct? A thousand percent stay away. My lean would be Miami because I think that Shreger made a nice point, a nice observation. Not only the nobody believes on us, which is funny, but what they're returning on defense in terms of the

front seven, Taylor and Phillips and Chubb, whatever condition they're in, they're healthy this year at least, you know, whatever they have in the tank. I mean, that's formidable. So, but I think you're right. Let's just stay the F away from that game. I'm going to bold all these liens

and maybe we'll find out a couple weeks from now that we should have done the liens instead of the actual picks. This next one almost made the cut for me. It's the Falcons plus one and a half against Tampa. And Tampa's a team you and I both like, but Tampa's just really banged up. It's another one.

It was two and a half all the way up until this week. And now everybody's looking at Atlanta getting points at home in a divisional underdog, a situation and it's down to one and a half. I lost my enthusiasm for it. I like Atlanta in this game. I do too. Cous and I talked a lot about how

weighed on Tampa, let them stumble a little bit in September with all the injuries they have and then maybe bet on them for division. That's right. Columbus Day weekend range. I just don't want to bet the Falcons and I kind of want to see them. Panix has

started four games and he didn't play in the preseason. And Rahim Palmer's been all over the quarterbacks that didn't make any appearances in the preseason and what the historical numbers are in terms of that. And that lines up for another sort of basis for staying away from this game. I mean, they come out rusty. Those quarterbacks tend to come out rusty. No left tackle for the bucks for this game. Worfses out, but I think he's come back for week two, unless something changes over the next couple of days. And then the right tackle for the Falcon's gone for the year. Right. Too many red flags all over the place.

Plus NFC South, it's just complete stayway. Rams, Texans, this is now Rams minus three. There's been some Rams money. I think it's because the Texans have had some, like Kirk looks like he's going to be out. Nobody knows what the Texans running backs. And it feels like Stafford's playing, and it feels like the left tackle for the Rams is playing too.

my lean would be the Texans and especially with the points because I think their defense is the best union in the field but I don't want to bet against McVeigh and another stay away. Well, the reason to bet against McVeigh is historically he and the Rams have had slow starts to the season.

So if you wanted to talk yourself into the Texans, I was prepared to bet the Texans. I have bet the Texans already in a teaser. I had the Texans and the Broncos and a nice teaser. Of course, teasers are too expensive over the course of a season to make it worth your while, but I bet it, you know, over the summer. And I prefer the Texan side,

but this injury situation, too many unknowns, let's just watch them play football. Stafford, I feel a lot of kinship with, an old guy with a bad back. Do you think you like seafood and spare ribs? We could invite him out. He's in L.A. He can have a seafood tower with us.

It just sounds like he should be sitting, when Chris Chan finally invites you to play at Bel Air, just staffer just sitting there at 4 o'clock talking about how much his back hurts. Unfortunately, the quarterback of the Rams, yeah. There we go. Staying away, but very interested in that game. Yes. I think that's one of those where I really want to watch both sides, both units,

because I think both teams have some upside as a possible contender, especially the Texans because they're defense. Every fantasy league I'm in, I have the Texans defense. Yeah, I love the Texans defense for sure. Yeah. That one also, look at the total. It's 43 and a half, and I'm still fine with under on that game. Me too.

So you're leaning Texans or Rams in that game? What's your name? Texans, Texans, Texans. Yeah, me too. All right, so we have all the same liens. And then the last one is Jet Steelers. Not only is this to stay away, I don't even have a lien. You could walk me in any scenario.

If I had to actually, I wish there was a way to bet on this on Fandle, the Steelers winning, but somehow not covering, I feel like, is in play. I think the Cousin South special is in play. I don't know what to expect from Rogers at age 42. I don't trust Justin Fields at all. Varan Tucker is out for the Jets now. I don't even have a lien house. Do you have a lien? I do. And I almost put this in the mix. And the reason for that is because I do feel like I have a good feel for what the best unit on the football field will be. And it's the Pittsburgh

Steelers defense. And the Pittsburgh Steelers always arrive. Tomlin always arrives at the beginning of seasons prepared. They don't, like they, week one last year, they were getting points on the road at Atlanta. That was one of my favorite bets of the entire season, 2024, week one, Steelers getting points. And we made some money early in the season, riding the Pittsburgh Steelers because they show up,

their defensive unit was ahead of all of the other offenses that they faced in the early season. And that's what catapulted them to that, that 10-win total and put them in the playoffs. I like that unit against this Jets team against the quarterback that they know against a brand-new head coach. So those were the reasons why I was willing to do something with Pittsburgh, but the line moved.

Like, why did the line, why did it go from three to two and a half? This Pittsburgh has been favored by three all summer long, all the way up until this week, and now it's two and a half. I don't like that. I wouldn't know somebody tell me why that line moved. Yeah. Why is the line moving? Just sit tight.

Sit there. Anyway. I'm staying away. I understand. If there's a play, it's probably Steelers and under. Sure. Something like that. Steers adjusted under where you bring it up to like, you know,

49 points or something crazy with the Steelers minus two and a half. I mean, literally, we might see 90 combined rushes in this game. The two teams might combine for 90 rush attempts. The only thing that worries me, and this is why I, barely even had a lean, was the Jets were so dysfunctional last year, not only from a coaching standpoint, but the Rogers situation. And I have like some of the stuff I've read about Aaron Glenn. And I just wonder, is this coming out of the gates? And they're just pounding the ball and they have some identities. So I don't want to find out. They're still talent on that

defense. That's the reason why I feel like it's okay to stay away. J.J. is all over the Steelers. So that's another reason. That's another reason to lean the Jets. Come on, bro, that's a low bro, bro. I had four that almost made the cut and still might make the cut for all we know. Packers Lions. Packers are minus two and a half against Detroit. That line bumped after the Parsons trade.

There was a really interesting quote Today House from Parsons about how he was in the locker room getting treatment and almost the entire team was in the locker. him and he was really like thrilled and he's like I've never been part of a team where you could have said that just seems energized and then there was some other stuff about this is why they got them they wanted to pull them out of a road to be dysfunctional situation put him in this infrastructure around good people with a great coach and you know just watch them blossom I could see him going nuts in this game you and I are both short on the lines this year because the coaching coordinator

changes and the offensive line stuff and the fact that, you know, they had such a good year last year, something's holding me back house. Well, there's some wide receiver injuries with the Packers. Yeah, that's one thing. Parsons, getting an injection made me a little nervous. That's another thing. And I don't know why the line's not three. And I think that's the number one thing for me, that it's just two and a half.

I don't know why somebody would take the Detroit outdoors in Lambo with less of line i i can't quite get there and i thought i was going to i thought i was going to have the packers in ringer 107 i was i was like really really convicted on it for most of the summer and now uh now no well here's a couple things in the first place dan campbell has been excellent against matt leflore and the green bay packers he's six six and two the detroit lions have gone into lamo and beat the green bay packers the last three years in a row wow so that's how Dan Campbell is six and two against Matt LaFleur. Now, there are extraordinary numbers about the way that the Packers under LaFleur start the football season.

He has a great record, one of the best records in the entire NFL. Is he like 90% the last six years or something? It's really good, right? It's in that vicinity for sure. Here's why, and by the way, the look ahead line on this was Detroit minus one and a half. The Detroit, well, let me say, no, no, that's wrong. I'm sorry. It was Green Bay minus one and a half.

I'm sorry. I misstated that. It was more excited when it was Detroit minus one. It was green bay minus one and a half. It's gone up a point, a full point, right. I am concerned that this is Detroit trying to tell the world, don't make that mistake of forgetting about us. They still have a ton of talent on both sides of the ball.

Like a borderline, nobody believes in this case? In this game. In this game, they're like, they see all of this chatter. about Green Bay. People like us saying, we're happy to have our Green Bay futures, Green Bay to win the NFC North, Green Bay to make the playoffs, Green Bay to make a deep run, Green Bay with speculative tickets on the Super Bowl, speculative tickets to win the NFC conference.

The fans go to the game and they're like, this is it, the Super Bowl run starts here. Right. And then all of a sudden, Detroit's up 10-0. Exactly. Yeah. I'm with you. So we're both like, there's something about this game that just feels a little staywish. I'm all the way convinced to stay the F-O-A.

I just want to really enjoy the game. I mean, the other thing to remember is that Detroit last year, its hallmark was its physical play. And if you look at, like, especially the first eight games of the season, after teams played Detroit, their next games, they went out and got their asses blown off the football field. So we need to remember that going in. But just that toughness factor,

when Detroit has all of its defense, all those guys ready to play, Let's just stay away from this one. Raiders, Pats. This has fallen to Raiders plus two and a half. Gonzalez isn't playing this weekend. I don't know if it's been officially announced yet, but he has not practiced.

It's clear that something bad happened with that hamstring, and he's going to be out at least for week one, I think. That sucks. And it's really changed how I feel about this Pats team because he's the best player in the defense. And I think if there was a case for them, especially early in the season it was going to be centered around

their defense doing stuff Henderson playing right away digs being able to play which seems like it's going to happen and I just the Gonzalez thing scares me a little bit now the Raiders don't really have like a receiver you necessarily have to shut down

it's Bowers and that wouldn't have been his job anyway but I don't know I haven't like some of the vibe and some of the stuff I've heard the last couple weeks about how the paths have no depth how they're a little younger

than people realize how having this much turnover is hard I still have them in the playoffs but it's the one I feel the word well because I picked it a week ago I know you have to stay and buy it it's the one I can change it now but it's probably the one of the most nervous

season hasn't started yet no I'm gonna all ride with it because their schedule is so easy but they used to be the team that was part of the easy schedule for other teams it's weird to say this I think whoever wins this game gets the seventh seed.

And I can't believe I'm saying that for week one, but I have one of these two teams definitely in the playoffs. And I like the spot for the Raiders. They're going to come in. They're going to move the ball. I have no idea if their defense is going to be any good. I have no idea if the paths are going to be able to block Max Crosby. But I think the line is around right.

And I think ultimately it's a stay away. I think a month ago I would have said, Pat's week one, I'm betting them. Well, I'm glad because you're not requiring me to try and talk you out of the Pats in this game. And for all the reasons you just mentioned, I think this is one where let's just sort of see how this shakes out. Because, you know, here's the thing. I don't know the answer to coaching quarterback. Which coach and quarterback do you trust more, you know, in this week one?

Well, the thing with May, and I was watching, it was interesting in the fantasy leagues I was in, fancy drafts, like basically a $1 guy. I don't think people are expecting a lot from him. I thought he was incredible last year for what, is how bad his receivers were and how bad the line was and he was running for his life every series and he was a rookie and he had the worst coaching staff. And I think I'm probably way higher on him

that there's a chance he comes in this season and he's just incredible. If I had to do anything in this game, I would probably tease the Raiders to eight and a half. Okay. But we're not doing that for ring our 107. And I want to root for the paths.

So good. Okay. This next one, Cardinal Saints, you threw down as one that you had a lot of interest in. So make the case. Cardinals minus six and a half at home against the Saints. It's the Cardinals are at New Orleans. Cardinals at New Orleans.

And that's another one. I think the line, is it five and a half? Oh, it's six and a half. It stayed at six and a half. Okay. Cardinals at the Saints, who everybody considers to be the worst team in the week. So this is, you know, for the Cardinals, they're coming out party for everybody that's invested in the idea that there is a step up for them, that Jonathan Gannon, this is the year. That defense, especially with his acumen in terms of scheming, they didn't, they haven't had the personnel necessarily that fit the Gannon mold.

They're supposed to have it this year. And the offense was a top 10 offense by a lot of advanced metrics last season. And Kyler, over the course of the season, they made, they had a legit chance to make the playoffs. Did you feel good about betting on them? Ever? Never. I try not to bet on the Cardinals. But in view of what we have all come to believe about the Saints.

Now, here's the thing with the Saints and the reason why I'm glad you steered me away from them. They might have a decent defense. The defense was not an abject disaster last season. And especially at the beginning of the season. but on the offensive side of the ball, they still have a bunch of dudes. It's still Rashid Chaheed. It's still Olave.

It's still Kamara. It's still, you know, Tayson Hill and that combo. It's still a terrible quarterback. It seems like their offensive line is better because I bet them six weeks ago to have the worst record or be under three wins or whatever.

And it does seem like the new coach bump that nobody believes in us factor, the fact that not one person, as he'd been considering them to do anything. And because they have the worst quarterback situation of the Cleveland in the league, everybody's like, yeah, they're going to suck. But they did seem like they hit on their left tackle.

Thanks. It does seem like they have a bunch of guys back and they got rid of Dennis Allen and that fucking terrible coaching staff. And the draft pick, that rookie has a multiple effect, a multiplying effect in moving that,

the bum who was one of the worst left tackles in NFL over to guard where he has less impact the thing with with Rattler is like he did they only average 12 points um with him at quarterback the the but look all those guys were were hurt um Kellan Moore you know with with his acumen and now Kubiak did his best we would say last season when they came out and went back to back games we know 40 points um but it fell apart because the injuries they nobody had had, like, worse luck injury-wise than the Saints last season on the line, on the offensive line. So, week one, Saints home voodoo just looming, right?

We've seen it a bunch of times. I think everybody is going to pick the cards or throw them in a T's or put them in a elimination pool. They're just put them in a money parlay. Just throw the cards in. They're playing the Saints. It'll be fine. Meanwhile, the Saints are at home, which makes me nervous.

And how many times has Kyle Murray completely fucked a parlorer tease-up? I can't think of maybe Trevor Lawrence. The Kyla Murray, out of all the under 30 quarterbacks, who has destroyed more parley's and teases? Who's let you down more? Like, I wouldn't go near this game. Yeah. If I did anything, I would bet Saints Money Line because I feel like, remember Bengals, Pat's last year, week one.

The Pats beat the Bengals, 1610. It's like, whoa, who saw that coming? There's going to be a who saw that coming this game or this week. And I think it's either this one or the next one we're going to talk about, which is Denver, a line that has climbed out of minus eight and a half at home. Everybody's on them, including me. I have a staggering amount of future bets on them. They're playing Tennessee, rookie quarterback on the road.

There's a million stats about a rookie QB first start, go against them straight up. the spread bets aren't great. Denver's defense, they run it up at home. They have 14 plus win victories from last year. They had a bunch of them. There's all these signs. Just throw them in a tease. It'll be fine.

I'm not as worried about this one because I really believe in Denver. There's a spot when we do the ringer 107 that we can potentially put them in. But the line is so high. Like, House, did you think about Tennessee plus eight and a half? No, I did not, but I would not bet Denver at eight and a half. It's too many points. It's the point that we just made. It's way too high.

There's not a 10 point difference between these two teams, especially the only thing that, you know, counsel is in favor of confidence in Denver is what if Callahan is the same moron that he was last year? Because I can't. If their special teams are off or what if the coaching's bad. Yeah. I've said it before. No team was less prepared, worse prepared week. in the week out, then the Titans, and that's how they went two and 15 against the spread,

an all-time historical low mark against the spread because they were just ill-prepared week-in and week out. And I was dying to pick them as the seventh seed because of the schedule, because I really think Cam Ward is going to be potentially a special QB. I just, the coach, he's going to all of a sudden be a good coach. He was awful. Right. Awful last year.

Awful. The staff was awful. The game management was awful. The special teams was awful. Awful. It's just going to be better. I don't get it. All right.

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Okay, Ringer 107. It's time. It is brought to you by Fandall, our friends. We love Fandall, and we're going to pick five games. And again, we're competing against all the other shows. Fando made us the favorites. you have one pick I have two picks

and we're going to agree on two and I'm going to give you the first pick and I think I know what it is it's involving the Chiefs Chargers game what is it? It's a true story I already tipped my hand in view of the slate

and some of the considerations we've just gone through about games we decided were stayaways let me have the coach quarterback combination that I trust the most this is a divisional matchup on a neutral field. The Kansas City Chiefs have owned the Chargers

over the last handful of years, especially Mahomes and Andy Reid. And Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid don't lose in week one. The only loss that you can point to, they're five and two against a spread, six and one straight up in the seven seasons with Mahomes as a starter.

They lost that Detroit game in 2023, but Chris Jones was out for that game. And I think... Just holding out. Yeah, Chris Jones was holding out, and Travis Kelsey was out as well. So what I'm really buying here, though, is this Chiefs team loaded up for this season. It is, I think, a good argument that this is the best receiver room that Patrick Mahomes is going to enjoy in, what, three seasons, four seasons at least. I would say for week seven, it will be.

He's got no rest for six weeks. I understand. But still, Hollywood Brown and. Xavier Worthy, that's better than quite a bit of what they went through last season. Zombie, Kelsey, Pacheco's back. Yeah. Offensive lines better. Schrager talked about it when he was on the pod earlier this week.

There's some, oh, wait, you don't think we're the guys anymore? You don't think Mahomes is in the top spot. There's some little swagger. And neither of us like the Chargers. Neither of us like the Chargers. I think we both have Chargers underbner. bets and no playoff bets. I know I do.

I think you do too as well. Losing their left tackle four weeks before this season. Probably the second best player in the team, not great. They said they're starting Hampton, which I thought was interesting. I thought they were going to split time, but maybe it seems like they're going to try to get, and they're probably going to try to run on the Chiefs. Best of luck. One of the best run defenses in the NFL.

Here's why I'm with you, and I'm glad you picked this one. When we did guess the lines on Sunday, I picked Chiefs, by six, even though it was a neutral field. And Sal laughed. That's a lot. Who's betting the Chargers in this game? Fair point. Fair point. You'll take the Chargers?

You couldn't get me to even sniff them until it gets to plus six. Chiefs minus three is a fucking miracle. You know my field. What a great first ringer 107. Let's back Patrick Mahomes. I was talking about our Josh Allen might have taken the conch from him this year as the most reliable QB in the league. But let's back our guy.

is he he's not chubby pat but he doy pat i don't know i wouldn't it's a little doy right is he is he doy i don't think so i thought he was taking shit for being doy oh you know who that was it wasn't him it was your new wide receiver dbo samuel i forgot i forgot i'm gonna serve you debo samuel debos d's nuts is what we're gonna have i'm gonna serve him right up on a platter four nine fours nuts is what you're gonna get on a platter how chiefs do unnecessary show shot at Debo, but yes, Chiefs minus three. I set you up for it, too. I was excited about it.

Chiefs minus three over the Chargers. That is our first Ringer 107 pick. Congratulations for getting us on the board. Only 106 more to go. My first one should not be surprised to anyone who heard all the pods during the month of August and beginning of September. The Seahawks are home. They're playing the 49ers.

They're underdogs, which is fantastic. It's a team that I am. really bullish on that I have NFC Westbets on because I thought the odds were out of whack they're 5 to 1. I have them as a playoff team. I am a huge Mike McDonald guy. I am not scared off by the fact that they seemingly went sideways at QB

and probably a little backwards with receiver. I think with Kubiak in there, the zone blocking offensive line with the two running backs. Zach Sharbonne, I tried to get in every league that I had. I only got them in two. JSN, I think, has a chance to be one of the best eight receivers in the league. And I really, really believe in their defense.

I think they could have a top five defense, special teams. And then you have the Niners who already have some shakiness with the receivers. True. Right? They have Cato and McCaffrey healthy. They have a little chip on their shoulder, but they have a ton of turnover. They have a bunch of rookies and guys have never been this situation. I'm kind of stunned that the Seahawks aren't favored.

And so I'm getting plus two and a half. I'll probably in real life play the money line, but we're not doing money lines for a ringer 107. I'm on the board with Seahawks plus two and a half. And you're making faces. And I don't feel aligned with you at all. Yeah, I hate this pick. I would prefer that this be a stayway that we sit back and watch.

Nobody. There's nobody in any of the analytics community that has the Seahawks offensive line ranked any higher than 29th. You can't find somebody who takes that looks at that offensive line objectively, looks at their performance last year, looks at the duress that Gino Smith was under all season long, and puts in the forecast ahead of time that this offensive line is capable of protecting Sam Donald. I'm going to give you four worst ones.

Houston, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Miami. I don't think Houston's worse. I don't think Houston's worse. And I don't think Miami is worse either. I don't think either one of those are worse. We will see. The one thing about Sam Donald that we know for sure is that he's bad under pressure. And if there's any possibility that he's, he had top of class time to throw the football.

He had on early downs last year, three seconds on 47% of his drop, three seconds or more, which is why he threw the football 20 yards down the football field in that Minnesota Vikings offense and ranked at the very top of class for those deep passes. he's not going to get any of that with this offense. And they're going to have to set up the run. So we're going to need that Seattle offensive line who was bottom three

in the run. So you're violently against this. I said I hate the pick. Who would you sub it for then? You mean in terms of what's on the slate? Is there another game? What's remaining? Like some of the ones we talked about. Like would you put Falcons plus one and a half against the bucks

in the spot? I like that way better than I like this Seattle. I said, we're a team this year. Okay, okay. I'm going to be talked out of it. Okay, okay, okay. Because here's the thing. Now I can't lose

because if the Seahawks win, you can rub it right. I'm going to fucking murder you. I understand. All day on test. I accept it. I will accept it. The only thing that you got murdered on for more this summer

than if Seattle wins this game is the Frosé disaster when you were here with Jacko. Well, some would call it a disaster. Some would call it a gigantic success. That was an all-time performance by me. How can you say anything to the contrary? A couple weekends ago, you and Jacko come for the weekend. And we filmed the rewatchables.

That's going to run at some point this summer. True story. And we hung out the whole weekend and it was great. And we were making a concerted effort to see each other every year because at any point, any of us could be dead at this point. Knock on wood. Knock on wood. We're in 50s.

God only knows what's going to happen us. So my wife decides, going to have a dinner party on Friday night with 16 people, we blow it out, and she's really excited about this froset machine she bought. She's never made the froset, and we're sitting in the back, and she's making the froset, and she's doctoring it. And she leaves, and house is staring at the froset machine. And Jacko and I are like, no, house, don't do it. And he's like, I mean, it's right there. There's frosay in it. Why can't I have some? She wanted us to try it. She encouraged us to sample it.

Now, look, just set the stage properly. I came out on that same Friday. I was up at 5.30 in the morning on the East Coast, flew out so I could get there in time. Here are the excuses. No, for us to do the rewatchables, had a marvelous time. And then it's time to let our hair down. And we go out to the back bar. It's a great setting.

The sun is, I mean, you know, it was perfect California weather. And the frosier machine. We're watching the Red Sox beat the Yankees. Well, you enjoyed that part, for sure, poor Jacko. And the froset, she's like, you guys, go ahead and try a little because, you know, she's priming it. She wasn't that forthcoming about that you guys go ahead and try. I think she was like, she was encouraging. Yeah, she's like, keep an eye on it.

I think it was like, if you want to try a taste, not drink all of the froset. Don't tell everybody the story. The thing wasn't freezing to her liking. It wasn't getting frozen enough. So she was like tampering with a little bench. So she leaves to go get ready and do a whole bunch of things. And House goes over and takes this. huge thing of frosé, takes a sip

and goes, there's not enough. I want to make sure it was frozen enough. Yeah, there's not enough alcohol on this. Goes, grabs a bottle of vodka, pours a shot in half of vodka in the froset. It's just a floater. Throws down the froset. Jacko and I are just like taking it easy.

Yeah. Having like a vodka and soda or something. You love the froset. You go back, half a second one. You pour more vodka in it. You throw that one down. Now some people have showed up. And I'm starting to get a little worried about you because

you know, whatever. I can tell when you're, I was like, is he tired, is he tipsy? The food comes out of like eight, eight o'clock, 8.30. You're eating pork. Again, we were sitting outside at 4.30 in the afternoon. That's when we sat down outside. All right. So

you're eating food and you disappear for like 10 minutes and I think you go to call your wife. Like this is like we're 30% in and the dinner party at this point. And I say to Jacko, where's house and Jacko goes I don't think he's coming back

I was like what do you mean I don't think he's coming back Johnny knows so you went back and you went to make a call and somehow you just like I need to go lie down and you were done to make a gigantic ice water yeah I wanted like you know I was like oh the food was amazing by the way

I don't remember all the chef's credentials but the pork was effing secreto the butcher made me a little secret though, which is like a choice, you know, the secret bit, like a beautiful piece of wine. But I had to go get some ice water to refuel. I was enjoying the company, everybody's company. The friends were out, you know, I could tell them how good the frosé was. So you're going for an hour. Well, I go sit down is the problem. I sat down with the ice water. And the next thing you know, I look up and, you know, half hours go back. And I'm not. And I'm

talking to everybody and like I don't know like maybe 45 minutes an hour later like I don't think house is coming back and I'm like where's Joe so now Carrie's like what he's gone he he was barely here and and Jacko goes well he was drinking the froset which she knew and she got mad she'd already yelled to you about how you had drank too much of the froset well you did I didn't know that that that was the you know it was I thought so then we told my wife he was he was drinking the frosay and he was pouring like two shots of vodka in it. A little floater had a fly. And she goes, wait, what?

I put so much booze in that. You just can't taste it. So you were having like quintuple frose. So frose house. Now we're calling you Jose. Frose house just, uh, just was out by you threw like four innings. You didn't even, you didn't even get 15 outs to be official for a winner or loss. I think I had 11 strikeouts in those four innings.

So they were quality. Well, legendary story, a lot of Frosé jokes. Anyway, as bad as Frosé house was, you talked to me out of the Seahawks, and now if we get fucked on this, I'm going to give you more shit than the Froset thing. So we're putting Falcons bucks in there. That's what we're doing. I'm fine. We both like the Falcons, right?

Yeah. I, you know, I just think it's a bad spot for the bucks with the receiver, you know, the the new offensive coordinator, a couple receivers missing, Egbuka in his first game, even though we all love Egbuka. Man, man, I'm going to be really mad at you. Okay.

So second pick, Falcons plus one and a half. Third one, we both like this one, the Bears. I love the Bears, Bears plus one and a half Monday night. I'm in on them to be over on their win total. I'm in on them actually to be a playoff team. I'm in on Ben Johnson. I'm in on everything I've read.

I love the moves they made this summer. I liked how they beefed up their weapons. And JJ McCarthy on the road on a Monday night in Chicago, shades of that archmanning OSU situation. And I just, I'm surprised by the line. I got to be honest. Bears plus one and a half was surprising to me. And I wonder if it's going to flip on Monday.

Do you see the bears being minus one and a half on Monday? I do because I think there's enough skepticism about, you know, Ben Johnson in his first game and his impact on Caleb, like there was a healthy skepticism built up against Caleb. And Caleb kind of earned it, but really it was a disaster of a situation. The thing that made me so bullish on Chicago was the bit, I'll confess it right now on hard knocks when the bears and the bills played

each other. And we saw Ben Johnson, you know, in kind of game mode. I was just so impressed. And honestly, it was the diametric opposite of the previous season when I knew to fade the Bears because Aberflus was a goddamn douche the entire hard docks. I couldn't believe. Like, who hired this guy to be a head coach of a football team with the number one draft pick rookie quarterback?

So it went exactly as folks might anticipate. But I really like this Bears team. I think their defense especially. And the thing that we'll see out of O'Connell and Minnesota is that. They're going to run. They're going to try and run the ball. Like get your Jordan Mason futures now. Get them all lined up at rush attempts.

You know, yards. For the Vikings, you're talking about it. The Vikings, yes, because the Vikings are going to run the football. They're going to try and run to protect that kid and have him not having to stand back there and throw the ball down the field. But I like the Bears run defense under the circumstances where they get to anticipate that the Vikings are going to. Now, I don't mean that disrespectful to O'Connell because O'Connell is going to mix of that. up. By the way, no Jordan Addison in this game. Adam Thielen coming from

Carolina. I just like the spot. I just like the Bears and a tease, which we're not going to do. But I thought the Bears as a tease was a taste one. All right, the two we agree on. So we have Chiefs minus three, Falcons plus one and a half, bears plus one and a half. Ravens

at Buffalo. Buffalo, a team that I picked to make the Super Bowl. And yet, we both like the Ravens in this game. And there's a bunch of reasons for it. There's some revenge factor. Mark Andrews, the prop queen talked about this

on your gambling show today. Amazing show. Amazing show. By Monday, the Mark Andrews stuff, everyone's going to bet on him to catch a touchdown. Like, it's just going to be almost like the all-time redemption story. I don't think it's going to be like that. But the bill stuff, the secondary issues for them.

That's it. Really makes me nervous. Right. And you talked about it yesterday with the Cuzz about when they signed Jordan Poyer and it just feels like they're scrambling for bodies and it's week one.

I think it means maybe a little more to the Ravens to be able to go in there. This was one I had penciled down as a win for Buffalo for a while, but if they win this one, I hate Ben against Josh Allen. This would be a Josh Allen throwing everybody on his back game.

But I just like, I like the spot for the Ravens. Yeah, we're in lockstep. I mean, the thing, the reason to be nervous is because the bills have lost two home games in three years. Like the Buffalo Bills don't lose at home. Why are we doing this? We're doing this because I think the Baltimore Ravens have the most talent on both sides

of the football of any team in the entire NFL, and the Ravens are my pick to win the Super Bowl this year. But we don't need all that hyperbole. They do have, even with the injuries, and here's the cautionary note, the way that the Ravens establish their offense and get Lamar free. is they play all this heavy personnel, which is either two tight ends or more pointedly,

Patrick Ricard, the fullback. So Isaiah likely, they're number one protecting tight end. He's out and Patrick Ricard is also out for this game. So they're not going to be able to play out that heavy personnel. This is a shout out to Warren Sharp, who did a nice job setting this up.

I do think yet even they're in, even though they won't be able to run out of that, comfortable personnel set, that formation that they like, I love their weapons across the board. I think Lamar showed us last season, especially in that playoff game, they can get vertical. Like, they lost that game by, you know, they sabotaged themselves. It was self-sabotage, and it was Mark Andrews, and it was the turnovers. They just, if you can, if they don't have the unforced errors, I don't like the Bill's defense.

I think that defense is going to be a real vulnerability all season long. the thing that saves the bills and the reason why I think you're on the right path in terms of having them go far is their schedule is amazing. They're going to be able to manage their schedule

and they're going to get any health at all on defense they can go on a run for sure. But this game won, week one, Baltimore, that's why the line went from Buffalo favorite to Baltimore favorite.

Yeah, so this is 446 specific time on a Thursday now. If you Google Buffalo injury is secondary, the AI overview is not flattering and then you go to the news stories and the headlines are Bill's injuries at cornerback pose problems

so what about the bill's secondary cornerback concerns mount Bill's injury riddled secondary faces tough test bills suffer another injury and already depleted secondary it's a it's they have both starting cornerbacks

Benford and White look like they're out and they're having safety issues And it's just like, no thanks. No thank you. That's right. FY, we were trying to be nice, but if you're going to bet on Lamar Jackson in a big game,

you want to do it in September. Sorry, Mallory. It's true. Well, they did start off 0 and 2 last year, the Ravens. I'm just saying, this is regular season Lamar. I wouldn't want to do this in the playoffs, is my point. Yes, agreed.

See, now people are going to be able to. Lamar didn't have anything to do with them losing last year, but that's fine. He was awesome, in fact. He was awesome. Lamar was awesome. Why he's so nervous about Lamar backlash? I'm not.

I was treated to an amazing crab feast with our buddy Warren Sharp at his house because Jimmy Seafood up there in Baltimore sent down all these crabs because of our respect for the Baltimore Ravens. I would never do anything that would get in the way of a crab cake. How about that? I'm in a guillotine league, not the one we're in, but another one with my friend Casey. I mean, the fourth pick.

And we took Lamar Jackson. Awesome. Because I don't, and it was like 12 picks too early. I don't think so. But by the time it would have come back to us, I just don't think you can win a guillotine league unless you have Lamar, Josh, or Burrow in the first couple weeks

because those are the only three quarterbacks where you know what you're getting each week. I know I'm getting a big amount of points. Anyway, I'm excited to root for him in this game because I'll have gambling, I'll have fantasy interests, all that stuff. Last one, we agreed on this one, too. And I don't know how we're going to play yet,

but we both really like the Jaguars against the Panthers. The Panthers not only have, I think, the worst defense in the NFC. Not only has there been a very strange Bryce Young revisionist history. I was driving to a haircut today, and I was listening to Mad Dogg Rousseau with Troy Aikman. And they were talking about how, and by the way, I love Mad Dog. They were both talking about how good Bryce Young was in the second half of the season. I was like, am I missing something? I remember him being okay and having a couple good games, but now we have reached Bryce Young was awesome. I just feel like people get amnesia, as I keep

saying with what happened last year. Bryce Young was definitely way better. We felt good about it, but he's in a situation now where he's, they traded Thielen, Coker got hurt. Ted McMillan, his number one pick, has a hamstring thing. I don't even know, is he going to be, we're going to be in the heat potentially. I don't know how many downs he's going to be able to play, so I don't know if they're going to have the receivers. And then conversely, the Jags,

I said this to Sal on Sunday. This feels like a classic Jags look awesome. You laid out the Liam Cohen case earlier, the weapons, and we're like, oh my God, the jet, whoa, what do we have? And I could see them just blowing out the Panthers. So how do we want to play this, is my

question? Because this is, with the ringer 101, 7, we have wiggle room with one pick where we can do a tease, we can do a parlay, we can parlay and alt under, we can go all kinds of directions. So we can basically, the two things I mailed you, we can take the Jags money line, because I don't like the hook. We can take them straight up. It was three and now it's three and a half. This is another one. So we can take the Jags money line and parlay it with the over of 37 and a half. And that's minus 117. The rules of ringer 107. So it could be a parlay. It has to be minus 120 or better.

The other one we can do is we could just parlay the Jags with the Broncos and do a money parlay, Jags, Broncos, and just hope both teams win. And that is around the same. What is your preference? Or a third option would be just suck it up and go Jags minus three now. Right. my out of those three choices my preference would be to just ride the Jaguars minus the three and a half um not worry about the backdoor touchdown at the end of the game

yeah like the the the alt total down to 36 where it was a 37 is that where you yeah so I mean this is one of my favorite overs of the week which is you know the the the Jags unleashed with Cohen and and Trevor Lawrence, they're trying to make a statement. Remember last season, they looked pretty damn good against Miami. And then Travis Etienne fumbled the goddamn football going into the end zone. And Miami, you know, took that game away. But the Jaguars were, I honestly think that that sabotaged their entire season.

They became that team that, you know, fumbled the way opportunities to win games all season long through dumb, boneheaded kind of stuff. I don't think that the Carolina Panthers defense has improved enough. There are stories that say they've stabilized. They're not going to be as bad. I just don't think that they've improved enough. And the Jaguars weapons, those are Cadillac weapons across the board. And I like that offensive line. I think if Cohen and Trevor Lawrence are on the same page about getting rid of the goddamn football within a couple of seconds after snap,

It's a formidable offense. They have the skill guys there. Thomas is going to have a huge game, I think. So I'm not afraid of the three and a half, to be honest with you. Well, did you see that they're going to play Hunter a bunch at wide receiver, it looks like? That's the sound of a boner. Is that what it sounds like? That's what it sounds like.

Our other option is we can go straight up on this and we can do for our parlay, Falcons plus three and a half with over 35 and a half points gets us under as our parley bet. That'll be minus 116. We could move the Falcons up to plus three and a half over 35 and a half. I don't want to bet a total with Michael Panics. I don't want to have anything to do with the total in that Tampa game.

So let's just do the, so you want to do the straight up. You're not worried about the hook. I think in week one, let's just be, you know, let's be bold. There's no reason to be like sniffing around. Oh, how can we find a combination that's going to protect? Let's let, why are we doing all that?

We've done the hard work all season, all off season to get to this point where we're finally ready. We know what the priors are. We know what our thoughts are. We've bet all the futures. You and the cousin Sal did futures for hours. Can I ask you this? Is there any chance Tennessee is going to go in Denver and beat Denver? It would, the sports book would make $2 billion.

So that would be the reason why, because the books will make so much money if that happens. But what's the, how do you get there? How does Sean Payton and Bo Nex? Jags Money Line, Denver Money Line, that could be our fifth pick. Jags Money Line, we don't have to worry about the hook. Denver just has to beat a rookie QB and son of Brian Callahan, whatever his name is at home.

I mean, they just signed Bonitti to an extension, then everybody looks so happy. Everybody in that Denver situation, is Denver really going to lose in week one in Tennessee? Come on. What are we doing? I just want to be on the record. I am confident in the Jaguars laying the three and a half,

but I'm fine with the idea of doing Jags Denver money line. That's fine. I don't have any problem with it. All right, here we go. Official Ringer 107 picks. We have no losses yet because season hasn't started. Chiefs minus three in Brazil against the Chargers. back in Mahomes and Reid.

We're back in the infrastructure. We're shorting the chargers. Yeah. Falcons plus one and a half. At home? At home. Against Tampa. We're investing in Michael Pennix.

We are worried about the bucks. Receiver issues, new offensive coordinator, and we want the bucks. We want to back them starting in October to win that division. But right now I have a little rockiness. House talked me out of the Seahawks. We went with the Falcons. Bears plus one and a half against the Vikings.

We're all in on this Ben Johnson, revamp Bears roster. Iber Fluse, the Iber Fluse bump to competent coach from Iber Flues. And JJ McCarthy on the road has some March Manning parallels in Ohio State. Ravens minus one and a half against the Bills, really because of how banged up the bill's secondary is in early season Lamar. And then last but not least, after a lot of haggling, jagging. We think the Jaguar's money line against the Panthers. We think the Jaguars have a chance to blow out the Panthers,

but we'll just grab their money line and we're going to put it with the Denver money line against Tennessee, and that is under minus 120. So that fits for the Ringer 107 parameters. Good luck to us, House. Best of luck to us. I'm not going to forecast what I think is going to happen this week. I don't want it to be thrown up in my face by our competent competitors, but I like our slate, Bill Simmons.

I like our slate more than I liked you against the frose, too, at a night's ago. I won. Drive it to the whole batch. Your wife's bad at me. The Frose was saying they won. Your wife got mad at me. That's Ringer 107, brought to you by Fando's Sportsbook, and don't forget to check out

Ringer NFL, Fantasy Football, Thursday, Ringer, Gambling Show, and Friday, Waring, Gammis show, because that's who we're competing against. One more break, and then I want to talk quickly about this Quy Leonard thing. All right, so House, a couple days ago, I was talking to Zach Lowe because he'd returned to the States, and we were saying how boring this NBA summer was that nothing had happened, that it was the driest NBA summer we had had this entire decade. We had really no international basketball. We had no Olympics.

We had no bubble basketball. Just nothing. And then all of a sudden, the bomber thing happens. Pablo Tori, who was on this podcast a couple weeks ago, I can't remember how many. The journalist Pablo Tori. Yeah, he journalisted it up. He sure did. This was a great story by him.

He really did. Good job by him. This crazy story about Steve Ballmer and this company that, what was it called, Aspiration? I didn't ever even heard of this company. It was a big quipper sponsor. Ballmer invested in it. There was money being spent on Kauai Leonard's services that he was not really rendering. And it was just a lot of, he had the option to render services.

I guess he declined to render. It was a lot of breadcrumbs. It was a whole heaping cup of breadcrumbs. and it confirmed at least the story we'll find out if it's true or not because the NBA is going to investigate

I'm not saying the reporting was true I'm saying the actual is there did bomber actually launder money through this thing to pay Kauai Leonard which is what the NBA is going to investigate it confirmed a lot of stuff that we've always felt was going on

both anecdotally and whisper stuff and just this is a whole world of the NBA that they would rather we didn't talk about. I've talked about it anecdotally on my podcast a few times

about star players being allowed to use the team playing for their own purposes or being allowed to stay at an owner's beach place for two weeks with a bunch of their friends like there's a lot of nooks

and crannies in the CBAs and the league just does this. They're like, we don't want to know. We don't want to know. You and I won't name names because this podcast We're not naming names.

It's too popular. I felt like I could get away with it in some other form, so I did name names. But things like a couple big star players landing in a city where you really have a hard time figuring out what the attraction was for those two players. But it looks like there might be some investment vehicles, maybe outside of the United States of America.

There's some wink-wink investment stuff. You always see that. An inside line of sight on some investment. on some investments in foreign jurisdiction teams that, you know, figure out a way there's some star players with documentaries and who knows, you know, where the, where the economics go with that kind of thing. It's just that kind of stuff out there. Yeah, all kinds of businesses.

There's a lot of ways to do this. And this was always like with Tom Brady and Kraft with the Patriots for the last basically 10 years, with TB12 running, you know, and having a whole facility right next to Gillette stadium and there was always people wondering and look I think any league is going to be like we kind of don't want to know unless you force us to

try to have to find out what we should know in this case the Quippers came out pretty aggressively saying especially from a bomber standpoint that this was not true and they you know I thought what Cuban said was interesting and it it

It backed up something that I thought because I read all the stuff and, you know, the way it was all laid out, it was pretty damning that there was more than a smoking gun here. This was so sloppy that it almost makes me think, I kind of just can't believe. Everything I know about bomber, how shrewd of a businessman he is, how thoughtful he is about everything. Like even how they did the Intuit Dome, every piece of that place, he'd put so. much thought into. And I just think he's like a really on it guy. He's not like a cut corner's old billionaire who just fucking does whatever. He's really on it. And all of this that was laid out was the sloppiest shit I've ever seen. And I'm just like, I just can't believe he was this dumb. That's that's kind of where I've landed. And maybe, maybe he was this

dumb. So if we want to be. But I can't believe he was this dumb. Yeah. So the way to get to where we are right now and trying to answer the balmer question is do you really think that the 50 what was the investment that he made wasn't it the investment in this business i don't want to go we don't need to go in that new degree but it just wasn't enough money for for it to necessarily be something that he his own self is sitting down and looking at the investment thesis now i'm not suggesting that he didn't do his diligence but he entrusts quite a bit to a whole uh cadre of people in his support system. And this could be one where somebody in his support system said,

I see a pathway for this investment here. And, you know, by the way, now I'm not suggesting anything necessarily nefarious out of his investment team and connecting the dot with Kauai. That could have come later. But this thing was attracting celebrities. They were trying all kinds of celebrities. Look at the list of creditors. The Boston Red Sox are a creditor.

Like whoever the brain trust was behind this Ponzi scheme, those people had access to, you know, big swinging dicks. And I'm not suggesting anything about, you know, Balmer himself missing here. To me, the plausible explanation is his investment team was swayed. They saw that the other investors were other teams, other celebrities, you know, that kind of thing. not that dissimilar from the crypto thing that turned out to be a fraud with all of the... Well, and that's another thing.

The crypto and the Bitcoin is another way to take care of people and you wouldn't even know what happened. Interesting. Interesting. It's the... It's the sleazy side of the league and it's existed for a long time

and it's always been whispered about and talked about in all these different ways. And this is one of those where it's like, See, this shit does happen. But you really have to believe Balmer, who is a super smart

guy, just completely fell asleep at the wheel. And maybe he did. But my reaction was like, wow, this is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen if this is true. Because what's going to happen is they'll get, they'll probably, the contract will

maybe be nullified, who knows, but they'll be fined at least as much as the Joe Smith thing. They'll lose at least 45 first-round picks. They'll be fine. Maybe worse, right? Because the other problem is that other owners are pissed. Right.

Because they got him at, you know, a slightly less the market value. Right. You know, it's just. Yeah. And then the other piece of this, this was kind of discussed at the time. I remember talking about it in my podcast, but everybody heard about Kauai's uncle, Uncle Dennis. Oh, yeah.

That had his handout, that whole free agency to every team that talked and was kind of unlike any other person that any team had to do with. And then there was somebody reported about how the Toronto owner had said how this guy tried to make me arrange all this money. So it's just a mess. And I'm sure Adam Silver got through the summer. It was like, this has been great, man. We figured out this EuroLeague thing.

We have a hard salary cap. We have a hard salary cap. We've put in a hard salary cap. Matt Eshbis seems like he's threatened to be confident. I got $4.25 billion for freaking Portland. Like we're expansion's not happening anymore because we're all making so much money. We're doing great.

What a great summer. I'm just going to relax this week, but these next couple weeks, I'm just going to be somewhere tropical or in the sun or in some beach house. And then this comes down with bomber, an owner that everybody likes. So I have no idea what's going to happen.

An innovator, yeah. But Pablo's team, Like, you know, because Pablo has a staff, they broke this shit down. They found documents. Like they just did an awesome job. They did. And I don't know how it plays out. So if you had to bet, if you had to bet, does this lead to like a Joe Smith type situation?

Or is there some sort of explanation? If I gave you those two choices, there's some sort of explanation that gets them out of this. or it's going to be more like we are slapping your hand really, really hard with a bamboo stick. There's no explanation that gets them out of this. They are going to be punished. I think there is an explanation. I think that Balmer will be sufficiently distanced. I do think the most plausible explanation to me is somebody and his investment team found this thing was persuaded. Let's put in the chunk of money that they put in. And then somebody said, oh, look, they're doing celebrities. Kauai. Hey, look, man, you could get in on this. This is going to be an easy,

gig for you and balmer is going to have sufficient sort of prophylactic there'll be layers right you won't find communication a diaphragm you won't find direct communications before balmer's like please tell kawai that he can get 30 million free dollars if he agrees to to you know sign up with this the dumb posy scheme tree farm whatever nonsense one of the weird things was this was two years after his initial deal right so doesn't tie in the 2019 piece and then the other thing that like if you're going to say that this actually did happen

it's so much money to give to Kauai Leonard if it was like $5 million right? Yeah this was a Ponzi scheme these guys were idiots it was $28 million and then there was a report today that it might have been even more than that in stock like another $20 million

so then when you see that you're like man this looks bleak for for bomber like I think he's going to have to come out pretty hard, if this isn't true? Well, it's true. It happened. He definitely invested the money and Kauai definitely got the contract and definitely got money

from it. And I think that's enough. For the league's perspective, who cares what the explanation is? It happened. Bomber put his money in it. And Kauai got money out of it. If he didn't know anything about this and this is, there's some sort of accident or whatever. It's not an accident. He's got to come out really hard and be like, look, this was not an end around to give Kauai Leder more money. I swear on my kids' lives, like whatever. No, no, no.

You have to go hard to try to prove that this is true because this is going to haunt him for the rest of his career as an owner. It is. Well, what was it? Glenn Taylor? He's the one that ran the Joe Smith. Yeah, Glenn Taylor is a terrible owner. This guy owns the Clippers.

He's trying to fight the Lakers in Illinois. By the way, the Lakers can't stand the Clippers. They couldn't be happier about this. And the funniest thing of all this is guess where the All-Star game is going to be this year. epicenter of the NBA. Holy cow. Wow. That's awesome.

You coming? Should I get the froset ready? Immediately. Yes, I'm in. I'm all the way in. We'll just be recovering from the Super Bowl. Hmm. Okay.

All right, House. I'm glad we talked that one out. I'll see you next Thursday. Hopefully the ringer won us. Everyone well. And if Seattle covers and the Bucks beat the Falcons. You can blame me. I like,

I would just put your phone on mute. I would turn your notifications off on Sunday. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that anyway. Maybe I'll just do that anyway. Thanks, how it's great to see you. Thanks to Gahow and Eduardo as well.

Don't forget about new rewatchables coming on Monday. It is a one for us with me and Chris Ryan and you can check all the rewatchables we've done on Ringer movies. You can check out House on Sunday on the Ringer pregame, which I think we moved to 1130 this year. The cast is back. We're going to be doing it on our YouTube. channel on the ringer gambling show uh ringer gambling youtube channel and i can't wait i might even

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