The Bill Simmons Podcast - Emergency NBA Draft Winners and Losers With Joe House (Ep. 230)

Episode Date: June 23, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on longtime friend Joe House to break down the best and worst moments from the 2017 NBA draft. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Check both of those out next week. Let's break a little news, House. Next week, I will be doing promos for your new podcast. Oh, yeah. House has a podcast. And guess what the podcast is going to be about? Your favorite thing. People think it's basketball.

No, it's not basketball. It's food. Joe House. I mean, golf. I like golf. Yeah, you do like golf. But that's not my favorite thing. You love basketball.

You love golf. You love your family. You love a couple of your friends. And most of all, you love food and eating. And eating food. I really love food. So your new podcast that we launched next, that we're launching next week,

which I'm not going to give away the name yet, but I'm excited about the name. It is all about food. And the reason we did this is because, uh, we argued about the ringers top 50 food list for 35 minutes. And honestly, it was like watching Paul Thomas Anderson put together a movie.

That's, that was the level of art slash genius I felt like you displayed. We all felt that way and we were all like, let's give House a food podcast. So get ready next week. Details to come on my Twitter feed, on The Ringer's Twitter feed, on our Facebook page, on the whole thing. Subscribe to it and the House podcast will be launching next week. Congratulations, House.

You're now, you're now a double podcast host. You have shack house. And then you also have a food podcast. You're like the, you're like a podcast host. I don't know what's going on. I'm humbled.

I'm humbled. I'm honored. And I'm hungry. Well, uh, Pearl Jam has a song for you. So let's play that. All right. We're doing draft winners and losers right now. Taping this. It is 77 pacific time thursday night

we're gonna put this up as fast as we possibly can but we're gonna do uh some winners and losers for the draft and so the draft it was weird it went chalk in a lot of ways uh it was also ridiculous and had some of the dumber moments we've seen in a while. Had some picks that I liked, had some picks that I did not like. All in all, a roller coaster ride. And it started out with a bombshell. I have not talked to you. We've deliberately avoided each other. Minnesota and Chicago made a trade. Minnesota traded Chris Dunn, Zach Levine, the seventh pick, and they got back Jimmy Butler

in the 16th pick. I'm going to give you my reaction first. I think everyone on the bowl should be fired. Everybody. Not even people that weren't involved.

People that weren't involved with the trade, all of them should. Just clean house. Get rid of the entire organization. I don't know how many people are working for them. The stench of this trade is going to infect the entire organization. Just start over now.

Press the reset button. Just put all your jobs on ZipRecruiter because this is one of the dumbest trades I can remember. Jimmy Butler is, I don't know, somewhere between the 13th and 16th best player in the league. House, was this the poo-poo platter? It's way worse than the poo-poo platter. I'm not sure what the equivalent is. I mean, that's like going, you're in the Chinese food restaurant, you have the wonderful menu in front of you.

There's a whole array. There's a buffet maybe in front of you, and you say, ah, I'm out. I'm going to head over to – I don't want to disrespect any restaurants, but I'm going to head to the Sonic. I'm going to go have a super sugar icy at Sonic. F you, poo-poo platter. It's abysmal. It's astonishing.

I wondered – the only thing I could come up with in trying to fathom a uh an explanation a rationale is that the Bulls were insistent on getting Butler out of the east they couldn't do any deals with any team in the east because they didn't want to see the wrath of Jimmy come back and haunt them but um that that's obviously a very stupid reason or or they're trying to come up with maybe they're trying to be dicks and they just kind of exiled into minnesota like i the minnesota's better but good luck being in minnesota that might have been part of it i i don't know i mean that the uh it's an up-and-coming team it's an exciting team he's got a lot of exposure in the west these are you know you're gonna be it's a league pass must see team now i'm just trying

to kind of already wear that i'm just trying to figure out why a team would do something this dumb so here are my reactions in stages so it comes out initially that it's butler and you could have guessed it once it was like when chic Chicago, Minnesota is talking and I'm thinking like, oh, man, they're going to be able to get Jimmy Butler for Chris Dunn, Zach Levine, who has a torn ACL and the seventh pick in a draft where everybody really likes six players. And then it kind of drops off to the next five or six. So it's not even going to be one of the six. And I'm like, the Celtics can't top that, really. So it's not even going to be one of the six. And I'm like, the Celtics can't top that, really? So then the trade happens.

Then it turns out Chicago's also sending the 16th pick to Minnesota. I already hated the trade for Chicago. Now they're losing the 16th pick. That's malpractice. And it's like, oh. That's malpractice. Yeah, this is now really terrible. And then they're up at pick seven it's like well at least they'll salvage this they'll take a franchise point guard potential

guy like dennis smith or or frankie nicotine or or my man malik monk who i think's going to be uh better than people realize no no they took laurkinen. They took Laurie Markkinen with the seventh pick. You mean the Finnish Andreas Bargnani? Is that who they took? They took Laurie Markkinen, and Jalen's doing these player comps that I actually helped him with over the weekend. And Jalen's player comp for him was Channing Frye. And he's like, obviously he'll be a little better than Channing Frye.

I'm like, I sure hope so. They gave him Jimmy Butler for him oh my god and by the way who says he's going to be better than Channing Frye yeah I'm not kidding he could be Andrea Bagnani that's who I'm he's the Finnish Andrea Bagnani yeah the Finnish Borgs that's what I'm calling him so I you know you and I love judging all these prospects but could they have played in the finals I just watched? I honestly don't know how he plays in the finals I just watched. Because if he's out there, Cleveland, let's say he's on Cleveland. Golden State's going to be like, we're running him on, we're running high screens with his guy until they take him out.

We're just going to, these are free two points every time until he's out of the game. Are we talking about that big chicken? He can't be on the floor with either one of those teams. He's the 14th or 15th man on both of those teams. He doesn't see the floor. I mean, I'm not saying he's horrendous. I'm just saying. No, I'm not either.

For the seventh pick in what might be the best draft in the last 20 years i need somebody who could have played for three minutes in the finals that's all i'm asking for no the to me the reason that i'm i'm uh being what sounds like hyper critical is because they got jimmy effing butler they gave up jimmy effing but. They gave up Jimmy effing Butler for him. What are we talking about? Well, and also... Go ahead. I was just going to say, I'm reasonably confident that a trade of similar value might have been there next month and two months from now

and five months from now because there are lots of teams willing to give them a shitty trade for Jimmy Butler. Chris Dunn was horrible last year, and he's 23. I'm not going to completely write him off, but he's 23 years old already, and he was really terrible last year, like really bad, like shockingly, horribly bad. And Zach Levine, who I'm, it's probably a bad sign that Timberwolves got better as soon as he got hurt.

I don't know. I don't know what the cause and effect was, but, he's he's a good stats bad team guy we don't know if he can play defense we're not sure if he can be a swing man who's on a good team and now he has a torn acl and then they have uh chaining fry 2.0 and that was the entire trade and they gave up the 16th pick that's just malpractice i'm trying to look you did raise an interesting point yeah if jimmy butler was available for so little yeah where are the boston celtics i know it hurt my feelings boston celtics my fear my fear is that they were in this paul george trade quagmire and thinking that they just were they put their eggs in the pa George Indy basket, and then it didn't work out.

And then Jimmy Butler just went sailing. Is Paul George still out there? Well, he hasn't been traded yet. Look, I'm not going to defend the Celtics because I'm officially furious that everybody else is making trades. But I do think when the cap went down, it made it almost impossible for them to be able to fit. If they really think they're getting Gordon Hayward, and indications seem to be pretty positive on that front. I don't know if they could have fit Hayward and Butler in the same salary cap with Al Horford and Isaiah Nier and all this stuff. I think it's almost like they had to pick at that point. That's the only explanation I could get for why we wouldn't want Jimmy Butler on my team house. and a year and all this stuff i i think it's almost like they had to pick at that point that's

the only explanation i could get for why we wouldn't want jimmy butler on my team house i just want to um convey my resentment yeah on something you just said which is you know that all indications are pointing towards the south six getting hayward i don't i don't like that kind of bs bs i know that you're you've got the insider and the insider scoop and everything, but I haven't seen any stories that say that Hayward is going to Boston. Where's that coming from? Wait, do you think I can't have an unsubstantiated opinion with no evidence whatsoever?

Why aren't I allowed to do that? It's a podcast. That's the whole point of a podcast. It is 2017. Listen, all my evidence goes down to the fact that Brad Stevens was the first guy to recruit Gordon Hayward in high school and stuck with him. And then when Gordon Hayward had the girl, the whole Mark Titus theory and the whole thing, I'm in. Well, I resent your entitlement. Thank you.

And mainly I'm pissed because the effing Wizards can't do anything. Because you signed Jan Mahindy. Yeah, you signed Jan Mahindy. entitlement thank you and mainly i'm pissed because the effing wizards can't do anything because you're signing on my hand we're gonna do yeah you're signing on my hand my team is my team is irrelevant right now and i don't like it well there was there was like 11 teams last summer who were like oh the cap's going up basketball's crazy we get to spend whatever money we want and now the cap went backwards whoops sorry about that hey well that's because the there was no playoff games there was was no David Stern to rig the series. You know, Tate Frazier, who hosts T-Dub on the Friday, is going to be hosting it tomorrow,

but he's been producing my podcast since day one, and he watches more college basketball than just about anybody I know. I'm going to give him 20 seconds here to talk about Laurie Markkinen. Maybe we're wrong. Are we wrong? I don't think i don't think laurie marketing's gotten a rebound in traffic his entire career okay his entire life is that a problem that doesn't sound like a positive yeah that doesn't sound good uh i think his dad's better than he is uh and that's not good either so finished channing fry yeah would you

it's is it fair to say like his he's going going to be better than Kelly Olenek, right? Can we say that definitively or no? Kelly Olenek won in game seven. I don't think Laurie Markkinen's won in a game seven. Son of a bitch. He doesn't have the fire. Oh, that hurts, House. Yeah, I'm sorry, House.

I forgot that. That was too much. The crowd was chanting Kelly. Kelly, Kelly, Kelly. It was the best. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't want to bring that up. SMD, SMD.

So you think he might not be as good as Kelly Olenek? I don't think he has the fire that Kelly Olenek has. What does Titus think? Titus thinks that he has, like, you know, what everyone says he has upside. I think he can hit threes and, you know, obviously gets compared to Dirk, but he just doesn't. Everyone needs to bite their tongue on that one. How dare everyone. Yeah.

Dirk? I saw that. That was ludicrous. It's a lady's tongue on that one. How dare everyone. Yeah. Dirk? I saw that. That was ludicrous. It's a lady who's outraged by that. Oh, my God. Dirk who? Dirk Diggler? Does he have a long one?

Is that what we're talking about? What are we talking about? Get out of here. By the way, we can't let Tate go because we have, I mean, the highs and lows of Charlotte in the last 24 hours. Oh, let's make them a winner. Let's do that right now. I have winner.

There's a winner and a loser. So I have two winners here. One winner, Charlotte, because they were all ready to take the white guy from Gonzaga just because MJC is tall white guys. And he just shoots one in his pants. He can't wait. He does it. He loves those tall white guys. And then there was a magical trade, which we'll get to in a second.

10 for 15 and 20. Anyone who's ever read me or listened to my podcast can probably guess my feelings on trading down from 10 for 15 and 20 in a 10-player draft. But we're going to get to that. So they take Collins. And magically, wonderfully, my third or fourth favorite player in this great draft, Malik Monk, falls to the Charlotte Hornets. Tate Frazier finally getting a break. It was beautiful.

Finally a fun Hornet. Yeah. Most last fun Hornet. No, I mean, Lance Stevenson was the last fun Hornet, and that was horrible. How sad is that? Yeah, it was terrible. They've been trying to get a shooter since 2014. They took Harrison that year, P.J. Harrison harrison that was a disaster he's not even in

the nba the last fun hornet was larry johnson i'm not even sure you were alive yeah exactly how can i can how so you you can vouch larry johnson in the on the hornet what about jamal mashburn baron davis okay that's fair baron davis is fine so wait i want to i have a question for tate what are you going to do the first time this story comes out about dwight howard farting on Okay, that's fair. Baron Davis was fine. Wait, I have a question for Tate. What are you going to do the first time the story comes out about Dwight Howard farting on Monk? I don't care. I don't care. Dwight Howard, I'm so happy that they have a superstar.

I don't care if he's 10 years removed from being good. Dwight's back. I'm all in. You ever read Steve Clifford's The Dwight Whisperer? Yes. Yeah, there's all kinds of Dwight Whisperer stuff. Defense first. It's a double whammy in a good way for Tate because all of us love Malik Monk.

You saw Malik Monk in Vegas. Tate, who hates everyone who doesn't play for North Carolina, came back raving. Yeah, 47 points. I've never seen anything like it. He hates all other colleges. He hates Kentucky and was raving about Malik Monk. I said he's the number one pick and he ended up going 11 in the Hornets I never would have guessed that you would have if I had told you when you came back raving about Malik Monk he's gonna be on your team in June you would have

passed out I would have thought it was a reverse jinx and he was gonna end up on the Celtics number three you know that's what I'd have thought so not only does he get Malik Monk who is gonna be immensely fun and who now I'm making him a winner as well because he dropped to 11 and he was upset about it. House, what's the history? What's the history of guys dropping four or five spots lower than they thought they were going to go and then maybe taking it out on some of the teams ahead of them? Oh, it's storied.

It's a storied history, House. Storied history. And then Calipari comes on because of i'm making them a loser by the way espn loser john calipari not only did they do the two-hour infomercial forum which made it seem like it was the greatest school ever to go to kentucky which i think is why he would participate in 30 30 because it becomes a recruiting infomercial forum then they put him on the draft because it's not we haven't pushed Calipari and the whole power of Calipari when I'm done enough on the worldwide leader.

But he mentioned how disappointed he was that the New York Knicks passed on Monk. Did you see that part? And he said, he said, man, I just thought you put him in New York with that crowd or whatever he said and so that means him and monk have talked about that and they must have had a whole man the knicks oh that would

be unbelievable and then the knicks pass on him for some guy from france a french guy it's it's definitely for the best it's definitely for the best for monk i. I mean, the only way Monk makes sense in New York is if Phil is gone or dead. And I'm not a Knicks fan, so I'm just rooting for him to be gone. He's already gone and dead. So I'm also making a winner,

Tate Frazier, because not only did he get Monk, but it paves the way for them to get rid of Kemba Walker, his least favorite Hornet. Now, you can't have both of those guys. Monk is but it paves the way for them to get rid of Kemba Walker, his least favorite Hornet. Now, you can't have both of those guys.

Monk is, it's like bringing the hot blonde for the older blonde. Trade Kemba to the Knicks. Bye, Kemba. All right. House, final thoughts on Malik Monk and MJ and Dwight Howard and Charlotte and the whole thing? I'm actually kind of mad because Charlotte is competition for my Washington- Oh, yeah, for the Wizards.

Yeah. And I think they got better, I'm afraid. All right. Yeah. Loser. Who is the new ESPN sideline reporter? Allison Williams. Allison Williams. Allison Williams.

She interviewed Markel Fultz and I'm almost positive. She called him Kyle at the end of the interview. She said, thank you, Kyle. I'm almost positive. I'm like 99.9% sure. We were Twitter searching it to see if other people noticed that some other

people did, but I'm pretty sure she called her Kyle. Now I'm the loser if I'm wrong. So either I'm a loser for this or she's a loser, but I'm pretty sure she called her Kyle. Now, I'm the loser if I'm wrong, so either I'm a loser for this or she's a loser, but I think she did call him whatever. You know, it wasn't trying to be like, all right, thanks, Kel. Like she was trying to do a little. Like Kel?

Did the people call him Kel? Well, maybe she was trying to start it. I don't know. Kel? All right, we'll give her. It'd be great if she just said Mark. Thanks, Mark. You know, like Magic used to call you Beal.

Beal. Now he called me Be-you. It was like three syllables. Be-you. Winner. The Philadelphia 76ers. They have now drafted third, first, and first. They got the guard they needed who can do everything.

I'm still a little curious why the Celtics cooled off on him. I vow to get that story over the next six months, but on paper it looks great. Everyone's excited. I'm not going to be a dick and point out that Embiid's played 31 games in three years and Ben Simmons missed all last year because I'm as excited for this as anybody if we can get these guys actually on the court to play basketball house I know you're excited correct I'm thrilled the uh stretch of like 15 games when Philly was super competitive

yeah and I don't remember who they were playing against And Embiid was at the height of his powers. It was really effing fun to watch. It really was. It was, dare I say, must-watch TV. I felt like I was watching them over the Celtics. When Embiid was going and it was a close game, I was just watching Embiid. I don't even care about my team. It was pretty good.

Yeah, it was just the home games i liked watching them at home hey uh go check out the ringer.com today because we put a sam hinkey video game up that uh was drawing rave reviews um it's really great and it if you don't think he's driving an actual tank at one point oh you're sorely mistaken quick break do you love books but don't have time to read them house you love books there's no way you read books anymore you don't have any time right i don't i don't have time for books but i do love books well audible has the perfect solution get audio books and listen at the gym during commutes watching basketball on mute or when when you're driving home from dinner drunk in an Uber like you do every night. You know who uses Audible?

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You know, a little polarizing. You could see like the contempt from will bond when they interviewed him after the draft and my uncle mike i i could just tell he wanted to go off but he was reigning himself in because it was you know this great moment for lonzo i'm going the other way i like lavar ball i think i think he's funny i think he's i'm right there with you he's as much of a character slash parody as a lot of people in sports right now. I'll leave it at that. And he called this shot. He was calling Lakers from the get-go.

He was like Babe Ruth in whatever World Series that was. He was telling us for months and months that Lonzo was going to play for the Lakers. And then it happened. Thumbs up. LeVar Ball, you're a winner in my mind. Yeah, he's like, to me, an uber Papa Bear. He has created this cocoon for his boy to comfortably slide in, and Lonzo doesn't have to say anything.

Papa Bear is out there waving around his arms and showing his teeth, sticking his head inside the tent. And Lonzo's just chilling behind. I like that. I'm good with that Papa Bear role. Lonzo has the same look that I can't wait for my kids to have in about 10 years where they're just, he has that look like, hey, my dad's crazy. I mean, he's just a nut job.

What do you want from me? I love him. He's my dad, but I know he's crazy. Like, just, I get it. You know, it's one of those it's like it's really like how i've been with my mom for the last 20 years when any any dinner with my mom when the second bottle of wine comes i have the same look that lonzo ball has all the time your mom makes great meatballs i'm not saying a bad thing

uh i don't know if this was a winner or loser but did you see markel false's jacket i only saw it on the twitter i only saw it on the twitter he had a very elaborately done all kind what was on that jacket jacket tate he had like all drawings family pictures yeah like the washington husky i think he had like the Washington Husky, I think. He had like, he had every, it was everything in his life. He said it was his life story in a jacket. So I love the sentiment behind it, but why have it on the inside of the jacket? And he took it off to show it.

And it was like this weird process. And then. So then it goes in your closet. It's on a coat hanger and it's closed the whole time. And you can't see anything. Make the jacket. Put all this stuff on the outside. Flip it inside out.

I think I'm making that a loser. I'm making the idea of the jacket a winner but putting all the good stuff on the inside i'm making that a loser i didn't agree with it yeah execution loser winner tibbs oh my god tibbs somehow got jimmy butler tibbs had the seventh pick in a draft that had six short things plus Malik Monk. Decided that he didn't want to take Malik Monk. And just flipped everything into Jimmy Butler. And God bless him. Tibbs. So they have Towns. They have Jimmy Butler.

They have Andrew Wiggins. They have Rubio. They have a couple bench players that I like. I'm not ready to do the whole, you see them in the Western Finals thing, but it's a fun team. They're going to be able to play defense. If Towns can protect the rim and step it up a level and they get one more vet, I don't know.

I like that team. What do you think, House? They need to play defense. I have a question for you, a winner-loser question. What do you think Andrew Wiggins, how he fares in this? Is he a winner or a loser with Jimmy Butler coming down? Oh, he's a winner because Andrew Wiggins just plays two guard, and Butler plays the three.

He's good. He doesn't have to guard Paul George. I get where they're going to play. There are enough balls to go around yeah he loses shots yeah he loses shots but i i'm fine with that i i think if you're ever going to actually win anything andrew wiggins has to be the third best offensive player on your team if he's one or two you're not winning anything so now townsend butler are the two best and now wiggins is an overqualified

third guy which is great you know he was kind of an underqualified second guy butins is an overqualified third guy which is great you know he was kind of an underqualified second guy but he's an overqualified third guy you know isn't this the perfect team as as constructed for Ricky Rubio yeah Ricky Rubio was good the last two months I don't know why they keep trying to trade him I think I still think as amazing as this sounds Ricky Rubio is still like 26 I think he's like three years older than Chris Dunn. But you have an overqualified third guy. Jan Mahindy. Who?

No, Jan Mahindy. I think he's overqualified. By the way, I haven't congratulated you on the podcast yet that your team didn't trade for Dwight Howard. Congratulations. I tweeted how relieved I was. I was worried. You know, you caught me at a very vulnerable moment that Saturday afternoon. I was so hung over. Yeah. We were talking, you know, we were talking NBA finals. Yeah. We had to get one together. And I just let it slip that

I was in my head. I could imagine a world where Dwight Howard might come to Washington. And then I got killed for it on the Twitter properly. And I'm glad that it didn't work out. You got killed on it because people... Because he's Dwight Howard. Oh, people were upset that you even deigned to mention it. Got it. Yeah.

So, Loser, me and my dad, right as they're picking Jason Tatum, a pick that I actually liked, the Celtics, it was like two minutes after Woj treated that the Celtics were in serious talks for Paul George. And instead of just enjoying the fact that the Celtics drafted a highly skilled offensive player who can score, who is just a very good scorer, who gonna end up being somewhere between danny granger paul pierce like he's in that class i'm not gonna say he's the next pp what i just say that i just said i'm not gonna say his next pp but he was certainly better just use those two names you said granger and pierce both those guys were all-stars yeah i think this guy's gonna be an all-star i think he's an elite scorer. He's better than Jaleel Okafor? You think he's better than Jaleel Okafor?

How dare? That's just awful. Why would you say that? Why would you even think that? Comparable position. They both got drafted. I urge. Same school.

I mean, what do you want me to do? Go look at Paul Pierce's freshman year in Kansas and tell me how it compares to my man Tatum. I like Tatum. I would have been happy with Tatum or Jackson I think you know it's funny we get you know when MVP time remember everyone's arguing about the MVP for months and months and people were picking you know when the people are making the case for Harden or Westbrook and it's basically an all offense case and then there was that, remember there, the people

picking Kawhi, like he's the best two way player. And then there was the backlash to those people. And it's like, look, offense is more important than defense. This is an offense league. Now I'm valuing offense more than defense. I don't care about defense as much. So then the Celtics pick somebody who's great at offense and who really has a chance to be an elite guy. Um, but not as good at defense. Maybe he'll end up being passable or better than passable, whatever. Right now, I think he's average.

He's got a big wingspan. He'll be fine. He's not a liability. But Josh Jackson's a great two-way player. But the only thing is Josh Jackson can't shoot. Well, doesn't shooting matter in basketball? All we watch are people making outside shots now. I'm glad the Celtics took the offensive guy over another guy who's this great athlete

who the one thing they can't do is figure out how to put the ball in the basket. What did you think? I totally agree. I mean, I know that I'm often chastised for agreeing with you too much yes the celtics at that slot if you're going to take if you're going to pick a guy and keep the three hole then tatum's the guy i think that made the most sense if we had taken jackson i think i think it might have killed my dad in like december just at the game i think he just that would have been it he would have killed over like between marcus, just at the game. I think he just, that would have been it. He would have killed over.

Like between Marcus Smart, Jalen Brown, and Josh Jackson, just none of those guys you ever think the ball is going to go in when they're shooting. Jalen sometimes. Jalen, sometimes you can see he's getting hot. But I'm just so glad they picked somebody that we can throw him the ball down, though, and he can just do a spin move on the baseline and score. Or just a quick pull up shot.

Like he's got tricks already. He's 19 and he's a fantastic free throw shooter. Um, and he gets to the line and he converts and he just knows what he's doing. He's a good kid. I like the pick. And of course, right as they pick them,

there's a Paul George. Oh, house. We got a big trade. The jazz moved up to 28 and gave the Lakers 30 and 42. Breaking. Breaking news right here. Can we – I want to talk about that Kings thing.

That made me mad. No, hold on. We're getting to it. Speaking of trading down. I'm trying to go in order. I'm trying to go in order. All right. Loser.

Josh Jackson seems sad. I got a sad vibe from Josh Jackson. It wasn't quite as Steve Francis getting drafted by Vancouver when Steve Francis kept looking up and rolling his eyes during the interview. And it looked like he was going to start sobbing. It wasn't that bad, but I didn't feel like Josh Jackson was, was ready to really tear it up in Arizona.

What did you think? I'm surprised by that sort of reaction. I agree. Boy, there's cheering. What's happening? Tate was excited because Tony Bradley, North Carolina's Tony Bradley just went to Utah. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Hey, Tate, Tate, the adults are talking right now. Yeah, Tate, go back to the kids' table. I think that Phoenix is a great situation. I would like to go play in Phoenix right now. It's super fun. Well, I think what happened is, I think he got a whiff of New York possibilities and Porzingis and a whole mega deal

and started to think about the Knicks. And that could be my only explanation. I'm with you. If I'm Josh Jackson, good fan base, nice young team, a crunch time dude in Devin Booker who's going to be special, he can go do Josh Jackson things. And I was talking to one of my basketball friends today. If Dominique is a 10 out of 10 on the in-game dunker scale,

and James Worthy is an 8, 8.5, Josh Jackson might be, I might put him a smidge over James Worthy. He might end up being a 9 out of 10 on the in-game dunking on people scale. I think he's going to dunk on lots of people. And if he's doing that and playing defense and Devin Booker's taking all the shots, that's fun. I hope he's happy to go there because I think that's the right team for him.

I'm not sure Boston would have been the right team for him. Boston would have been terrible for him. Well, also because they had a lot of swing guys too. I'm not sure. In Phoenix, he'll play. He'll just get minutes. He's a fascinating prospect. I did a lot of swing guys too. I'm not sure. In Phoenix, he'll play. He'll just get minutes. He's a fascinating prospect. I did a lot of research on him because it seemed like the Celts might take him at one point.

It just seems like an alpha dog by all accounts. Just an alpha dog. Just competitive as hell. Just wants to win at everything. Goes full tilt all the time. Tate hates kansas more than he hates cancer and even tate kind of respected josh jackson i don't hate kansas all right he hates cancer the most but kansas is a close second but you

you respected josh jackson yes incredible spin moves dunks left hand right hand around the basket anything you want. That's how you know this was a good draft, because Tate actually liked some of the players, and they played for schools that he detests with every fiber of his body. Who took Swannigan? Swanigan. Swanigan? Trailblazers.

Swanigan. Swanigan? Swanigan. Swanigan. Swanigan. Swanigan. Who took Swanigan? Trailblazers.

Noah Vonley. Goodbye. Wow, Trailblazers. Yeah. yeah good fit titus loved him he's the best yeah almost broke david robbins's double double record throw throw in the ball and he'll do some low old school low post game darren fox is a winner and and not just because he gets to run his own team in sacramento and i think he would have been happy everywhere he goes but he was just a big personality winner of this draft right it just seems like the greatest guy fantastic interview great great charisma great energy great just a happy competitive guy and like they asked him

about hey you played better than Lonzo before the draft hey you you really outplayed Lonzo in the tournament and he's probably going to go ahead of you. How does that make you feel? And he's like, doesn't matter, man. We all have our NBA team and I'll see him during the season. But you can tell it bothered him. I love Darren Fox. I think he's going to be, I think,

you know, he reminds me of your dude John Wall. How about that? Definitely speed-wise. I love Fox also. He's got a nice um leadership quality to him that's what i think you know especially sacramento could use a guy who touches the ball uh you know has the ball in his hands all the time with a little bit of a leadership instinct that would be nice for for a change in sacramento and it's hard to i think about that tournament and one of the enduring

images is him and Monk crying after the game in the locker room. And Fox was so upset with their loss. Like that's, my daughter's soccer coach said this to me once. He was always like, look who's crying after the game. Those are the kids that are going to

make it. I thought that was a good way to put it. If you're crying after the game, that means you gave a shit, which means you probably gave a shit during the game, you know? And when it matters that much, that's how you're going to live your professional career. And he just strikes me as one of those guys. That guy's just going to, he wants to be great. I don't know if he's going to be great, but he's going to kill himself trying. Perfect pick for the Kings. Unfortunately, they're also the losers. Now we get to talk about it, House.

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This isn't football. You're not trading from 20 to 30. Just take Malik Mock at 10. Just take him. Don't overthink it. This isn't football. You're not trading from 20 to 30 and picking up 32 and 68. This is a 10-player draft. You trade down if you're the Celtics and you feel like there are four great players and you don't care which player you get and you get to pick up an extra asset. This is different. They traded down. They took Tate's dude, Justin Jackson, who I'm not sure is ever a starter.

And then they took Harry Giles, who's had two major knee surgeries already and is a huge injury risk. How about this? Just take Malik Monk, who's going to be, worst case scenario, he's a better Lou Williams. Worst case scenario. And the guys get to play together. And they get to play together.

They're boys. Take the Kentucky boys. Take the Kentucky boys. Take the Kentucky boys. The point is to put a product on the floor that your fans can get behind. What's more exciting than those two guys from Kentucky? They were by far, without a doubt, incomparable in college basketball. They were so much fun to watch. They were the reason to watch college basketball. They were so much fun to watch.

They were the reason to watch college basketball this season. That's right. You know what else is a good idea? To take two lottery picks in the most loaded draft in 20 years from the college that just deliver stars in the lottery year after year after year after year. All Kentucky does is deliver stars to the NBA. And you could have had the two guys that love playing together and that could have been your backcourt with Buddy

Hield. They could have had Fox, Monk, and Buddy. How much fun is that? I love that team. But on the other hand, as a Celtics fan, I'm happy the Kings went Kings on us again because we have their unprotected pick probably in 2019.

You know what I would have loved for them to do? Trade out of that spot and pick Justin Jackson and Harry Giles. So thanks, Kings. Winner, Celtic fans. Why not just take Fox and Monk? Tate. Yes. If you had to bet your life on it, you're betting your life on the draft. I always do this.

You're betting your life on this. Yes. This is a life wager. My life has been on the line a lot. You're being dangled from a skyscraper by terrorists. And they're like, this has to work out or we're dropping you. Tenth pick. You already have De'Aaron Fox on your team. Now you have to take another player.

Or you could trade down and take two flyers on two guys that aren't in the top 10. Yes. Or you could just take the guy Malik Monk, who scored 47 points in a college game and made a bunch of big shots and has a chance to be one of the best heat check guys. And already has a year under his belt playing with the point guard he just drafted, right? Yeah, and has 25-foot range in a sport

that has just drifted to threes and has a chance to win five three-point contests and the whole thing. What would you do? Just draft him. You draft Monk. Take the best player available they i think they over they wanted giles but they don't want to take him that early they're like oh we got harry giles he was the best player in high school three years ago yeah and then he tore his acl twice i'm rooting for harry giles yeah same of course of course the thing that's confounding is like this is a simple math problem.

I mean, I know that your boy Daryl Morey has value. And by now, I think everybody is plugged into this. You know what level of success to expect out of the 15 hole and the 20 hole. And it's nowhere near. It doesn't even approximate within three orders of magnitude what you can get out of the 10-hole. So I just don't get it. Every draft drops, which is why I like 98, which was probably my favorite draft just from a pure excitement standpoint

when the Celtics had the 10th pick, and it felt like it was an eight-player draft, and we needed two teams to screw up and then Tractor Trailer and White Chocolate went ahead of when they should have gone and all of a sudden we're heading into the ninth pick and Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce are still on the table and we're just over the moon.

It's like this shouldn't happen with a 10th pick in an eight-player draft. Next pick was Bonzi Wells, Mike Doliak. It just drops. Every draft drops off. This draft dropped off at number 11 after Malik Monk got picked. And then you're, now you're in the Luke Canard,

all these guys. I don't, I mean, maybe Luke Canard will be good. Tate says, you have the Luke Canard, Donovan Mitchell. All of a sudden we're in the combo guard section of our draft

they're combo guards they play both guard spots combo guards Randy Foy combo guard Grievous Vasquez combo guard they can play either spot well do they play either of them well no they can play either spot I actually do like Mitchell I don't want to down Mitchell

but but yeah I don't know I don't know to down Mitchell. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to do, House. We've been watching the draft forever. Sometimes you just know when somebody's making a mistake and when you have the 10th pick and you can put Monk and Fox together. I feel bad for Riley McAtee,

who works for the Ringer, diehard Kings fan. What's the syndrome you have when you start to identify with your hostages stockholm stockholm syndrome i was gonna say munchausen syndrome but that's that's way worse stockholm that's a different one riley has nba stockholm syndrome he's he was like excited yeah he thought justin he's like oh we got justin jackson harry jowell's a good fire it's like yeah but you could add malik monk i haven't seen him yet, but I'm going to try not to be mean. Riley Sensitive. He's had a lot of Kings pain.

You know who you could have had? De'Aaron Fox and Malik Monk. You could have had them in the same team. Remember the team that was so much fun in college? You could have replicated that for the next 15 years, but you didn't. All right. Loser. MSG. MSG. I want to see Malik Moner. MSG.

I want to see Malik Monk at MSG. Yeah. All of us wanted it. I thought this was going to be the Steph Curry makeup draft. Same spot. Instead of Steph Curry going right ahead of them. This time Monk falls to them. But they took Frankie Nicotine.

And he might be really good. I got to be honest. My weak spot with these drafts are always like high school players. They don't have those anymore. But anytime I've been really wrong, it's always been, for the most part, high school players and foreign guys. And who knows? I just know that Malik Monk is good. I'm positive.

Do you think that the choice of Frankie Nicotine over Monk, I pray this was not the case, but I wondered it when they made the selection, if they imagined that Nicotine is going to be better in the triangle than Monk. I'm sure. And that was the reason for choosing him. He's a coachable French guy. Yeah. What'd you think of,

I'm going to let you decide winner or loser, Dennis Smith to the Mavericks. I really like Dennis Smith and I think the Mavericks organizationally are top tier, like top five franchises in the NBA and I think Dennis Smith is going to get every chance to learn. I mean, the combination of Cubes and Carlisle is going to have every resource to flourish.

So I'm calling it a winner. He's one of those guys that it really depended on the team. It's kind of like Tate coming out of college, really depended on where he landed, where his career could have gone either way like he's he has a head case he's uncoachable now that's uh but dennis smith that was the rap on him right a little uncoachable yeah but he knows harrison so that's good he's got yogi farrell there carlisle will be good with him i think it's well so that's what i worry about because carlisle is a curmudgeon yeah they were like

oh rondo and carlisle they're both so smart they'll get along and then rondo and carlisle is a curmudgeon. Yeah. They were like, oh, Rondo and Carlisle, they're both so smart, they'll get along. And then Rondo and Carlisle are throwing chainsaws at each other. But Dennis thinks Mark Gottfried's a good coach and he can learn from him. So if he thinks Mark Gottfried can teach him about basketball, then Rick Carlisle definitely can. What's it like to go from Mark Gottfried to Rick Carlisle? It's got to be like going from a high school coach to Greg Popovich. I mean, that's just a huge jump. It's like going from Justin Jackson and Harry Giles to Malik Monk. That's what they're saying.

It's that kind of leap. Loser, Rick Carlisle, because if he can't get it going with Dennis Smith, he might be too much of a curmudgeon. Yeah. I was kind of deep down

hoping marketing was going to fall to nine, and then I would have been all the way in on marketing. I'd be like, oh, Dirk. Dirk gets to raise the next Dirk. But that didn't happen. Dallas having Dennis Smith is,

they really haven't had a guy like that ever. I'm trying to remember. Like a point guard or just? Just kind of a high ceiling, low basement, great athlete. I don't think they've had a guy like that josh howard yeah but josh howard was like four-year college yeah i guess that's different yeah i don't know it'll be fun so house you're in on that pick i think house is asleep house is doing prep i don't think for his food podcast i am thinking about dessert i i trying to think the last time i was pondering

which is part of why i was quiet the last time dallas took a freshman has dallas taken a freshman well they usually don't have a pick right and they never and they usually if they do have a pick they usually don't make the pick correctly which leads to stuff like three years of everyone telling us how great Roddy Bubois was going to be and how he was untradeable and all that stuff. This guy actually might be. Usually they've had more success late with second rounder, stuff like that.

I'm giving myself a winner because I noticed that Zach Collins Zach Collins and Anna Kendrick kind of look alike I'm just throwing that out there if you split screen them split screen them internet Zach Collins, Anna Kendrick like brother and sister

so I'm a winner because I noticed that two more winners the most loaded draft in 20 years and these two guys were used in Jalen's player comps. Channing Frye and George Hill in top eight. George Hill was compared to Frankie Nicotine. Is that a compliment?

I mean, they had to have been delighted, right? They're just watching the draft. And George Hill's watching. It's the eighth pick. And he gets compared to the eighth pick. Oh, George. Yeah, George. It's thrilling to George.

Sure. I was thinking about it from Frankie's point of view. House, are you drinking? It's not yet. Remember, it's almost 11 o'clock on the East Coast. Oh, that's true. So you're punchy. You're a little punchy right now.

I am. Yeah, I was excited. The best draft in 20 years. And Janie Fry and George You're a little punchy right now. I am. Yeah, I was excited. The best draft in 20 years, and Janie Fry and George Cho were the comps for the seventh and eighth pick. So the Lakers took Josh Hart from Villanova. Yep. The winner. Josh and I, we hit every one of our props.

Yeah. Kentucky had three guys. That's my, I'm giving me a loser. I did not get in on any one of those props. They were all great props, too. We had Jason Tatum going before the fifth pick and Fox going after the fifth pick parlayed with Kentucky. That was my big one.

I just bet on two Carolina guys in the first week. What odds did you get for that? What odds did you get for that one? It was like at least four to one. Against all odds with Cousin Al. And guess what else I did on Cousin Sal's podcast? We went to the Make Believe Casino. Oh. Did you get to do that with him? Whatbelieve casino oh did you get to do that with him play did you get to do that with no yeah we went to the make-believe casino giving out golf winners i was giving golf winners i was busy he praised you

uh what happens at the at the make-believe casino he made some make-believe props and i had to pick them because that's what you do at the uh at the at the captain morgan's make-believe props, and I had to pick them because that's what you do at the Captain Morgan's Make-Believe Casino. Captain Morgan likes make-believe bets. So winner Malik Monk, we covered that. Loser, Stan Van Gundy. 12th pick, Luke Kennard I just I just wanted them to take like either trade the pick or take somebody

who at least has like a shitload of upside that you can get excited about they took like just another guy who's going to be a solid player they have a team of guys ranging from solid to solid and I just if I'm a P pistons fan what am i looking at my cap space is tied up yes kc drummond's replacement yeah yeah um so now i'm losing kcp

who i don't i think i'm fine with that actually i think so andre drummond's my franchise center who i can't play in the last four minutes of games um i've overpaid reggie jackson i think the pistons are in the conversation for top four fan bases you wouldn't want to be a part of right just with the teams that pistons stink very happy for the pistons to stink the internet loved the pistons remember last year right before my god over under yeah the the the enthusiasm for the pistons they're coming're coming up. That Reggie Jackson drum and pick and roll with SVG. He had this with Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson. Oh, we're going to see it all over again.

They sucked. They sucked all season. Good riddance. Good riddance, Pistons. Enjoy another shitty 38-win season. Stephen and Gundy. Tate's upset because Frank Jackson just got picked by the Hornets. They took a

Duke guy. We lost Tate. Now nobody's going to be able to put the podcast up. Tate's breaking stuff. He lost and he won and he lost. You have a Duke guy. Tate's got a Duke guy on the Hornets. My least favorite guy. He has Dwight Howard and a Duke guy. Why don't you like him, Tate? What's wrong with him?

He's going to slap the floor so much in the NBA. Oh, he's a floor slapper. They took a floor slapper from Duke. That is hilarious. Yeah, Detroit. It's funny because the media loves certain guys, and it's usually the guys that know how to butter up the media, by no coincidence.

But you could see it when David Griffin, when he had him and Dan and dan gilbert decided to break up and uh it was it was just funny watching all the media people just lose their minds that they oh my god david griffin he built the calves you know about the calves lebron james that's who built the calves they had are we gonna do 10 seconds on that? Yeah, but first, let's talk about Hotel Tonight. Have you downloaded the Hotel Tonight app yet? No, no. You go to all these different places on short notice.

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Winner, Greenwich Country Day. Why is that? Who's from that joint? Donovan Mitchell, 13th pick in the draft, Greenwich Country Day graduate, where I was the captain of the basketball team in 1984. Not only got drafted, gave Greenwich Country Day a shout-out. Yeah. That was nice. Shout-out on the air, Greenwich Country Day.

Unbelievable. Let's just say he was more athletic in the ninth grade than I was. Another winner, homeschooling.osh jackson homeschooled from the fourth grade on yep or justin jackson sorry homeschooled through the fourth grade on tate thoughts on homeschooled josh jackson justin jackson that was my biggest knock when he committed to carolina i was like i don't want this homeschooled kid but then i found out that he played his team like a team that it was like they were all homeschooled so oh he was on like with the other homeschool yeah and they would play other homeschooled kids and other normal schools so like he had like friends it wasn't like he was

at home by himself shooting basketball it seems like homeschool there are more and more homeschooled kids now when i was yeah when i was in high school and somebody was homeschooled we thought something was wrong with them but now no i was yeah oh well you're you're way younger than i am all right so people still feel that way yeah when he committed i was – yeah. Oh, well, you're way younger than I am. All right. So people still feel that way? Yeah. When he committed, I was like, I don't want this kid. Are we going to get angry emails? Well, I think homeschool has gotten a lot better. They figured that out.

They figured out the social aspect. We're not homeschool shaming, are we? No, we're not. Okay. Have thoughts on homeschooling? Well, I mean, I think the internet, you know, you can have an adequate curriculum, diverse curriculum, with YouTube. I mean, what's the difference?

You can't keep putting detention for giving your teacher the finger. I mean, that's one thing that doesn't happen anymore. Well, winner, Justin Jackson, homeschooled to the 15th pick. I wonder if that's the highest homeschool anyone's gone in the draft. Yeah, I mean, like,

Derrick Rose didn't go to school, so I guess he'd be homeschooled. Yeah, technically, Derrick Rose was homeschooled. Now the Chicago friends are like, no, no, he went to Simeon High. He kind of graduated. Winner, Sixers versus LeVar Ball.

The Sixers came at him and made some jokes. Did you see that house? Joe Embiid is one hell of a ringleader. He's the best. We need him to be healthy. We need him for all 82 games, all 82 games on social media. I mean, the dude is a lifesaver.

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What would be a good name for the Joel Embi bead podcast other than the joelle and bead show yeah it's gotta be i mean something process related but then you know oh that's right wesley might be bad if we take still processing maybe it'd be processed yeah joelle think about it joelle. Winner, Harry Giles. 20th pick. Two catastrophic knee injuries and scored four points a game last year. Yeah. And now he's the 20th pick. That's pretty good, right, House?

Makes him a millionaire, right? I'm not sure what the slot is, but good for him. Do you have any other winners and losers because i want to move ahead to my biggest loser of of the week no no i'm ready to talk uh bigger losers who do you think is the biggest loser of the week there's only one answer i hope you get it right let's see here who do i think is the biggest loser of the week biggest loser of the week besides the besides the bulls besides the bulls the but even the bulls and all their loserdom could not top this loser of the week dan gilbert is my loser of the week oh wow why let's hear it

because he single-handedly created a dynamic whereby his team is immediately in flux and this sustained run of making to the finals is called into question. And he's undermined the single most important player in the league. So that, to me, makes him a pretty big loser. All fair. Phil Jackson was not just a loser of the week he lost the year i think i think he lost the entire year of 2017 already see i he's not the loser of the week to me because he's he's been such an incomparable loser for you know years years going on fair point he's he's he's

soiling his legacy you know the real winner by the way the biggest winner of the week is genie bus because not only did she break up with the biggest loser phil jackson and thereby crush the hopes of of of all knicks fans for as long as that dude is either there or alive but she also stole the lakers back from her loser brothers she changed the fortunes of two of the two two of the like five most important franchises in the league genie bus humongous winner and got rob palenka and magic to run the team yeah huge winner although i didn't love the d'angelo russell trade what do you think of that one it was the price that she had to pay to get you know lanza yeah yeah george right right i mean

so i i love russell i think he's terrific and that was a the first good nets move in how many years now? Yeah. When they drafted Brooke Lopez? Probably when they drafted Brooke Lopez. That was a good draft pick. I remember Charlotte took DJ Augustine. Am I remembering that correctly? Over Brook Lopez? Yeah.

That was terrible at the time. Texas. Almost every time with the draft, when something feels and seems and appears to be terrible at the time, it ends up being terrible. Yeah, like Adam Morrison, number three. Yeah, when Minnesota took the two point guards ahead of Steph Curry,

and I was doing my running diary. Yeah, and Ricky Rubio. It was horrible at the time. And I wrote about how horrible it was. When Hashim Thabit went second. To the Grizzlies, yeah. That was horrible in the moment. Sometimes you just kind of know.

All right. Phil Jackson. So it's really incredible because he's ruined carmelo's trade value he's just demolished it to the point that now there's rumors that they might just buy him out like that he's so untradeable and teams are so unconvinced you know any of the teams he has the no trade clause on top of everything else but um anybody that might even want to trade for him they they don't want any part of him. They don't want to give up assets for him because they feel now like he's going to get bought out. I can't really remember in this century, because it happened a lot in the 70s, 80s, and 90s when we were growing up. I can't remember in this century somebody just willingly ruining the trade value of somebody as good as Carmelo.

Can you, Hafs? That's just like one example. ruining the trade value of somebody as good as Carmelo. Can you have that? That's just like one example. The gross incompetence of this dude. So the thing that's truly stunning to me is he was at the highest of highs. He had an unparalleled legacy. You know, you begrudgingly had to include him in the discussion along with Red, the all-time greatest basketball minds in the history of this league. And he, through whatever combination of mental infirmity, delusion, narcissism,

I don't know what the psychological cocktail is or was, that mother effer is off his ass and he's crushed his legacy. It makes you question everything that preceded the last five years. He's ruined this. He's been way, way, way worse than Isaiah Thomas ever was. He's been disgraceful in every decision he's he's been disgraceful in the way in every uh decision he's made the process that he's used for the decision that his approach to the game his understanding of the game it's been one humongous shit sandwich and i love it because i hate the knicks so smd knicks fans see i i was gonna cut in there there's a couple spots and i was going to say, but enough about Trump. How do you feel about Phil Jackson?

But then you ended up with the Knicks fans, so I couldn't do it. It's incredible. Poor Zingas. Ask yourself this. How many people could protect the rim in a finals game while also making 40 to 45 percent of their threes? Conceivably, just hypothetically on paper, how many human beings fit that bill? It's Porzingis and Lowry Malkin, and that's the only two I can come up with. The correct answer, two of the players are on Golden State

Durant and Draymond Poor Zingas And Eventually Anthony Davis Once he starts making threes He hasn't really made them consistently yet And eventually Giannis When Giannis takes over the league

And becomes rim protecting three-point shooting guy who dunks from half court that's the entire list you can't trade that guy I don't care if he's strained his Achilles you put him in a terrible position he was playing with no point guards ever and then when you finally got him a point guard it's derrick rose who's a fucking ball hog um and then carmelo's a ball stopping ball hog i watched the knicks i i know i didn't watch as much knicks as somebody like jason concepcion but i watched when porzingis was hot in the fourth quarter and mellow and rose would just freeze him out they wouldn't give him the ball he's like like he's like fire shooting out of his ass and he's just standing in the corner and they're ignoring him.

It would be an incredible mistake to trade him. And I'm saying that as somebody who has, my favorite team has a chance to get him. And I'd actually feel bad because you just shouldn't trade somebody like that. It's a farce. It's terrible. He should, it's terrible.

There's nothing worse, as as you know as a washington redskins fan um there's nothing worse than when somebody completely incompetent is in charge of your team i mean there's a lot of things worse actually there's there's life things worse i'm saying as a sports fan the worst is when you have somebody terrible in charge of your team and you can't do anything about it and that's where the knicks have been really for 20 years it's very unfair i have two very quick things to say shout out to mike lombardi his column about the la rams very timely on this point yeah and i felt like um you could easily control uh and you know find and replace rams and with dead skins and you could write the exact same article about the Dan Snyder

and the Deadskins. But the other thing, I just want to apologize to the Knicks fans. I don't really hate the Knicks fans. They don't really deserve the sustained run of just inedible shit sandwich that they've been served up. But that's what happens

with these legacy kid owners. No, that was more of a New York based rant. sandwich that they've been served up but that's what happens with with these legacy you know kid owners no you you that was more of a new york-based rant which is why i let it go yeah you're where you're from washington you're conditioned to hate new york i'm from boston i'm conditioned to new york i feel bad for the knicks fans this is like me too first of all msg is probably my favorite non-boston place to watch a basketball game or even watch it on TV. Sensational. That's why tonight hurt.

I really, man, if, oh, the Magic just got Ivan Robb. Poor Ivan Robb, Tate. Yeah. Could have gone like 16th last year. Now he went 35th. Well, Jalen tried to get him to come out with him. Yeah. He was like, come out with me. And he didn't. Now he went 35th. Well, Jalen tried to get him to come out with him. Yeah. He was like,

come out with me. And he didn't. Now that's a good pick at 35. The Magic. Maybe the Magic know what they're doing. Oh, it says, no, he's going to Memphis.

Oh, he's going to Memphis. That makes sense. That's the Zach Randolph replacement. Oh, man. That's a classic Grizzlies pick. Good pick. I like that pick. Verno.

Verno's probably... Let's see what Verno has probably let's see what Verno has to say oh Verno loves that one I love Ivan Rapp yeah anything else house it's time for me

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I think that might be a new record. Yeah. Might be a new record, but, uh, I mean, you are the pod father. Listen,

the pod father's got to protect his corner every once in a while, but, uh, really good week of podcasts. Don't sleep. But on the, uh, the NBA stuff,

I'm, I'm sure is probably not going to age that well this week other than this one but the malcolm gladwell podcast had a lot of good stuff in there so if you miss that one go back and uh and listen to that one and don't forget to listen to you yeah you talk bad about golf i'm gonna have to i'm calling him out on this week's shack house yeah you're gonna go you're gonna uh respectfully disagree with his country club thoughts on the next Shaq House. You're right about that. And then next week, House's new food podcast.

We buried the lead. Yeah, daddy. Food podcast. Please come hungry. Please come hungry. That's not the name of it. I'm just inviting everybody, all listeners, arrive hungry for this podcast. I promise we're going to deliver the goods.

House, I have some bad news we um oh we traded down with your food podcast we're not going to do it instead we're going to do a milkshake podcast and a french fry podcast we did the uh the the trailblazers offered us two worse podcasts for it so we're going to do that that makes sense you know you the the millennials that work for you all all they do is talk you into these bad outcomes. You know, the first thing I'm going to do is go on. The very first podcast is going to be about millennial food. Oh, you should do that.

I don't. Oh, believe me. You don't think I'm telling the truth? The hashtag when I woke up this morning was hashtag millennial food. I don't even know what that is. What is millennial food, Tate? I don't know. Are you a millennial? I don't even know what that is. What is millennial food, Tate? I don't know. Tate, are you a millennial?

I don't identify with them, no. No. Yeah, Tate's from the South. He doesn't deal with those people. We're just happy to make it out. He knows where his Bojangles is at. Millennial food. Maybe that's the first topic on your podcast.

It is. i assure you i am not the guest on the first house food podcast but i i'm definitely coming on the second one because we have to argue about a bunch of different things i'm very excited about this yeah um house thanks for staying up late for us thanks so much to everybody at the ringer check out all the great videos and all the great draft stuff that we put up yesterday. And then on Friday, we have a whole bunch of draft grades. Jonathan Charks was grading stuff as we did the draft. Chris and Kevin O'Connor, Chris Rank, Kevin O'Connor, did a bunch of videos. We have some big pieces coming tomorrow.

And we are ending this at 8.15 on Thursday night, West Coast time. Oh, wait a second. The Celtics are coming up. Let's stay one more minute for the Celtics pick. Can we do that? Yeah, I promise not to snore. The 76ers took Jonah Bolden. Jonathan Charks loves this guy out of Australia.

Charks did love this guy. Yeah, big fan. Said he's a lot of upside. He told me Jonah Bolden was just as good as Tony Bradley, which I scoffed at the thought. Now the Celtics are up. Who's, what good guy? Are there any Ivan Rab guys left?

Any good ones? I saw Frank Mason got taken. What about PJ Dozier? How do you feel about PJ Dozier? I don't like initial names. Jason Hart. Jason Hart's gone. Jason Hart hasn't been picked yet.

Who, Josh Hart? Oh, he is? Yeah, he got drafted 30th. Jason Hart got drafted eight years ago. Yeah, Lakers got him. That's what you get. 11-15, that's what you get out of me. House, did you know my dad watched all six seasons of Game of Thrones in two weeks?

That's pretty incredible. Did he stay awake for all of them? Yeah, they have a puppy. They got this puppy, and he's got to stay downstairs with the puppy. And he just started watching it on the iPad. And he was banging out like four a day. That's outstanding. That's a great way to watch it.

They start to feel like movies. Because each episode has that epic vibe to it. He had some great comments. I'm actually going to have him on the pod to discuss some of his thoughts. He had some hot takes. Well, yeah, I'd like to hear what he thought about Khaleesi in season, in her first season. So one of the things he did say was,

boy, there's a lot of nudity on this show. And then he goes, and the women have great bodies. That was another take from my retired father. Doc. The doc. Doc. Doc.

Speaking of people who are about to fall asleep, I think they need to get Wilbon some sugar. Poor Wilbon. Uncle Mike. He's usually in bed by now. He's an East Coaster like me. Can't hold it against him. Jalen's still going strong, though. Yeah.

He probably had some Cheetos. Jalen somehow lost like 40 pounds, but still eats Cheetos. Because he always had this Cheetos. It was great. He was on this whole Cheetos thing. I like the Cheetos. Jalen somehow lost like 40 pounds, but still eats Cheetos. Because he always had this Cheetos. It was great. He was on this whole Cheetos thing. I like the Cheetos, too. I used to get him coffee whenever he tried to shake my hand. He'd have orange hands.

Yeah, that was his thing. So here are the guys left for the Celts. Isaiah Hartenstein, best available. Juwan Evans. Oh, the SMU kid. People like him, too, right? Yeah, Simmy. Yeah.

Jordan Bell. Yeah, I think Jordan Bell. Can we take Jordan Bell? Yeah, you'd be excited. People like him too, right? Jordan Bell. Yeah, I think Jordan Bell. Can we take Jordan Bell? Yeah, you'd be excited for that. Alright, House. The pick is in, House. The pick is in. House is asleep, but the pick is in. Oh, that was another bet we liked. Nigel Williams-Goss. We liked that one too.

It was like whether he'd get drafted or not. Yeah, he's like 59, 60 range, right? Just happy for him to get drafted. Even Thornwell. Take Sanderis Thornwell so you don't have to re-sign. Is he available? Yeah, he hadn't been drafted. I like him, by the way.

Hey, House, congratulations on Tim Frazier. I love Tim Frazier. You know what? We've been dying for a legit backup point guard. So when are you going to get one? The Celtics beat the Wizards because, I mean, considering. Oh, hold on. The pick's in.

The Celtics select. Oh, I think they took the SMU guys. Semi. Semi. Great pick. Oh, I'm ahead of you. It's a good one, right? We like that pick?

It's a great pick. She even got in the first round? Yeah. I thought he was going to go 22 to the net. What a great one to end on, House. Congratulations. Oh, he's got kind of the Marcus Smart hair going a little bit. He's like Jay Crowder a little bit, but he's a better shooter.

Oh, does that mean my dad's going to be grumbling about him? No, he's a great shooter. All right, House, thanks for staying up late for us, even though it makes me sad that late for you is 11.20 on a Thursday night. But thank you anyway. Oh, he transferred from Duke. No wonder Tate likes him. This guy transferred from Duke, House.

I love Duke defectors. House, good luck with your podcast next week. All right. Thanks, fellas. All right. Bye. All right, bye.