The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 130: Week 5 lines with Cousin Sal

Episode Date: October 3, 2016

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal of 'Jimmy Kimmel Live!' wonder if the Falcons are a contender and if Carolina and Arizona are in trouble (4:00). Then, they guess Week 5 lines (17:30), come up with the week's best teaser, and mull over some 2016 MLB playoff bets (43:30). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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coming on Wednesday, HBO, 10 p.m. Be there for great reads in sports, pop culture, tech, and politics. I hope you're checking out TheRinger.com, and I hope you subscribe to our new podcast, ringer university. We hired Chris Vernon. He's doing the Friday college football podcast, lives in Memphis, big Tennessee fan, obviously. Oh boy. That guy, that game. Let's talk about that. Actually. Let's go. Oh, I don't have any music. Yeah. We're in year two of the BS podcast. I need new music.

If maybe you should sing some Pearl Jam or something. That should be the start. Joe made an email address for us. BSpodmusic at gmail.com. He did that? BSpodmusic at gmail.com. If you're an aspiring musician out there and you have a 12 second riff that you think we should use.

We did this with Ronald Jenkes on the old BS report, which became our theme for like four or five years so and you have to be aspiring it's important that you're aspiring don't waste anyone's time don't have already aspired yeah we want you to still aspire it'd be inspiring in the process uh so we're gonna do this on monday yeah uh i think we just like mondays more we do like monday i like reacting to the weekend i didn't i i didn't love doing in the middle of the week i felt like i didn't know we were going backwards or forwards and now it's like

we get you on monday ezekiel elliott looks like emmett's with 2.0 oh yeah uh so we're gonna do this uh we're gonna try to do this on mondays okay and one of the reasons is it's fun to react to the weekend but also like i don't know stuff changes over the course of the reasons is it's fun to react to the weekend. But also, I don't know, stuff changes over the course of the week. That's why I have the Friday podcast on, and we're going to move it to Mondays. Plus, we have baseball playoffs, Ryder Cup. So I watch college football. Plus, many of our listeners are a-holes who demand that we do this on Monday. That's true.

People want it on a Monday. I watched Tennessee versus Georgia. I watched the last two minutes. Right. And was that like a top five college football ending in the last 10 years? It was like three endings. And I don't know if you saw it live. I went Facebook Live.

My friend Brad is a big Tennessee fan. Yeah. And was watching the game even yesterday. Had an earpiece in. Was watching the game for the fourth time on his phone while glancing up at the eight games that we were supposed to be watching. It would have been such a bad loss because the guy gets beat on a 50-yard pass for no reason at all. And then that was one of the best Hail Mary catches I've ever seen.

It really was. But Georgia did a bad job on that. I don't know how much is devoted in a practice for playing against a Hail Mary. Like five minutes a year? Do you see a coach pulling guys aside? Like, all right, I'm just going to throw it up in the end zone. We're going to work on this until we get it right. Or interfere with him if it seems like he's going to catch it.

Just deck him. But I thought the tall guy they put in was too far behind the line of scrimmage. Or behind the goal line. It seems like they should be on the one yard behind the goal line, and then you can move back if you have to or move up. One thing teams should do is they should rush the quarterback. Have a concentrated rush on the quarterback on the Hail Mary. We saw it yesterday with Arizona.

They had one more shot against the Rams, and Drew Stanton was forced to throw it further than his speedster receivers can get there, and there was no one in sight. That was smart. Yesterday was a lot of football. forced to throw it further than his speeds to receivers can get there. Yeah. And there was no one in sight. That was smart. Yesterday was a lot of football. Fortunately, Pittsburgh ended it in the first half,

so we didn't have to watch. Why didn't we have Pittsburgh? It was such an obvious game we should have had. Why don't we have any of these teams? I don't understand. Are we sure anyone's good? I'm just done. The Steelers coming off a big loss. They got hammered.

They're coming home. They have a high-power offense. We should have been all over that. I did terrible the last two weeks, but in my defense, I didn't like any of the games even as I was trying to pick them. I actually like week five. I think I'm going to have a good week five. I just couldn't figure out.

You have all these weird matchups of teams that I don't know what to make out of them. I thought the weirdest game was Atlanta Carolina. Look, Cam's obviously been beaten up. Their secondary isn't quite the same. Their offensive line isn't quite the same. I get it. They're not going to be quite as good as last year. It's going to take them a while to run in a form.

But 48 points is kind of perplexing. Yeah. This is a team that we thought was one of the best four teams. They just got torched. Give up 500 yards passing. And usually when somebody gets 500 yards passing, they're playing from behind the whole game. This was just a legit 500.

It could have gone for 550. They didn't take their foot off the gas. Yeah. Hats off to them. But, yeah, this is what happens with teams like Carolina. It happens with Seattle. You build this great defense, and every year you lose one or two free agents. They lost Josh Norman and the crazy Captain Summerlin.

I mean, it's going to happen. They're built towards the middle, and they don't have a pass rush, and it's bad when you have rookies covering speeds to receivers. Atlanta, I don't know why, but I'm still not convinced. I still can't talk myself into it. I need like another 24 hours. Yeah. You know?

Like the Raiders. Raiders beat them in week one. Oh, no. No, no. Tampa. Tampa beat them in week one. I mean, there's like seven games. Then they beat the Raiders.

We could be like, what's going on? Yeah, yeah. About seven what like seven games. We could be like, what's going on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are about seven what-the-fuck games. Tampa, Atlanta. I'd say Texans, Patriots is one of those games. Yeah, that was pretty fluky. I got for tier one this week. Go ahead.

The Broncos, Steelers, Vikings, and the Pats. I'm not throwing away the Pats because... Broncos, Steelers. Right. So no Eagles yet no Eagles yet I got those are my four also yep

tier two I have the Packers Seahawks Eagles are they really the seventh best team are we ready to say that yet I don't know I don't feel good about that tier three I got the Cowboys

Giants Raiders Texans Falcons I might go Raiders tier two did you have the Ravens even in tier three i got the cowboys giants raiders texans falcons i might go raiders tier two you did you have the ravens even in tier three i had them in you in tier four i think they're i think they think that might be pretty good i think the afc wild card is going to be a great race like who do you put in there i think the raiders are in there and you have to

go one of the afc north teams and even buffalo and and you know kansas city are making noise buffalo's not bad all of a sudden buffalo's not bad and you know what's funny is that you know they started out on two but they lost two games in five days the second game was like a thursday nighter yeah and then we all wrote them off had a bad week right although you did pick them in cousins south shore thing in week three. Yeah, back when I was winning. But, yeah, no, when we had the Patriots locked, what kind of parlay crazy house had us? We did some parlay with which golfer? I don't even know.

Oh, we did it with Stenson. Was it Stenson that won? Yeah. I didn't even check it. But obviously you don't like losing. But that's good for the league, isn't it? When a team with a third-string quarterback just doesn't beat up on everybody. It's a weird game.

The Pats start out, their kick returner, two straight times, can't get it out of the 10-yard line. And then Buffalo had one good drive. And then Brissette had a killer fumble. Had one giant long pass that gets called back. It was just, I don't know. You score 16 points on the road and you win. Right.

It's good, but it's not. I wouldn't be telling my grandkids about that one. Brissette obviously wasn't right. The ball was sailing all over the place. Yeah. I think he has a chance. I still want to know what happened with Jimmy and why he didn't play. Because they were counting on him to play the whole week and then all of a sudden

he wasn't playing. About an hour before, right? It was just a little strange. And the line went from five and a half to like three and a half, four because like Garoppolo is a one and a half point swing. It's weird. It did make me wonder, like he had his six quarters. They were great. He has his resume taped for this winter

and maybe, you know, maybe that's enough maybe maybe the pats didn't want him to play yeah if he was like 50 maybe it would have hurt his trade value if he comes out he throws four picks against the bills i feel like his agent doesn't want him to play i don't know all week they thought he was playing then all of a sudden he's not playing i mean isn't belichick so belichick so arrogant that he might even come out and say that so look i know this is uh contrary to how we're supposed to do things, but we don't want him to play because we're going to trade him.

I will say their defense, I didn't love what I saw in that game from them, from a tackling standpoint. Yeah, even though they only give up 16, that's a game where the defense just has to take care of business in that game. Steelers look great. Unbelievable. Dangerous, dangerous offense. The Steelers are one of those teams you know in the first five minutes.

And that was one of those, oh, all right. Yeah, right. And they go for two and they do weird things. Like they're way better than everyone else, I think. And how about the Broncos? Simeon gets hurt. Lynch comes in, looks basically exactly the same as Simeon. Both of them are better than Peyton Manning was last year.

That team is clearly the best team right now. That was my biggest swing and miss there. That was my whiff. I had them under nine wins. Nah, Denver. Yeah, I like the Bucs too, but Denver under nine. I don't know if they lose a game. Well, we knew between Broncos, Panthers, Cardinals,

you knew one of those teams was going to swoon. Right. It looks like two of them might swoon. Carolina's got banged up camera ready. Some real offensive line issues, some real run game issues. Stewart's still out, though. Some quarterback issues. Arizona, the Palmer thing, which was one of the only things I've been right about

through the first five weeks. Like, Palmer's just not the same, not the same guy. Their blocking isn't the same. They look sloppy. Yeah. And I think if I'm a Cardinals fan, I would be more concerned than if I was a Panthers fan. If I'm a Cardinals fan, I'm freaking out right now. Definitely.

But both. I mean, it's October 3rd, and we may be asking Derek Anderson and Drew Stanton to save Carolina and Arizona's seasons. Isn't that weird? Drew Stanton came in there like he's a 10-year veteran. I'm like, what? It felt like he was young Drew Stanton.

Right, I know. 10-year veteran. I know like, what? I still felt like he was young Drew Stanton. Right, I know. 10-year veteran. I know. They're in some trouble, because the Rams are better than, the Rams are a little better than people thought they were going to be. Yeah, I mean, I wrote them off, obviously,

after the 28-0 loss to San Francisco week one, but Case Keenum shouldn't be going on the road making no mistakes. True. This seems to happen every week with these quarterbacks. We have to readjust to the new new nfl so they have home for buffalo this is the rams yeah which good luck on to that game if it's over 85 degrees oh yeah at detroit at the giants in london bye week

and for whatever reason detroit just... Remember there was some Stafford, wow, Jim Bob Cooter, he saved Stafford, and he's been just atrocious the last two games. Right. That's one of the three worst teams in the league now. Well, we'll get to this game. Very, very fishy line coming up. Okay.

Let me just say, if you're having trouble betting these games, you're not alone. Seven underdogs won outright. Yeah. And no favorites won and didn't cover. So basically, don't even think about the line. Just look at the matchup.

Whoever you like, take. What was the home team? Like five? Five home teams covered in one or something? Is that what it was? Yeah. I think the road teams cleaned up this week. Yeah.

I have for my bottom tier, Jags. Would you put them in the bottom? I don't know. How big is this tier? I don't know. I'm not sure. I have six teams in this tier. Oh, wow.

The Jags were the one I wasn't sure of. I'll give you the ones I was sure of. The Browns, the Bears, the Lions, the 49ers, and the Colts. I think that's your worst five right now. Jags, Dolphins, Chargers. Maybe they're in a different tier. Lingering. So would you put those five?

Would you put the Colts in the bottom five? I think, man. Don't the Colts have to be one of the worst five teams? Give them one tier up. But they are a mess. Why though? What do they have that make you want to give them one tear up? I don't know.

I don't know. I guess is that Division I? I mean, we went over it last week. Like if Tennessee could beat the Texans, they have a shot to win that division. But now the Texans are 3-1. Everyone else is 1-3. I guess you do put them.

Titans could have won that game. Yeah. The Texans let you back in these games. It's very weird how they do this. They won because of that kick return yeah I will say that Mariota Lombardi was right they have no receivers with speed Mariota doesn't I don't know if it's the coaching or what's going on they might have the worst coaches well he can't throw downfield they don't they don't do him any favors either with the oh Tajay Sharp like this is going to be this is going to turn the organization around

they should help him out and the Colts don't do Andrew Luck any I think I looked and they was either with, oh, Tajay Sharp. This is going to turn the organization around. They should help him out. And the Colts don't do Andrew Luck any. I looked, and they did draft the offensive lineman center this year. In 2014, the second round, they took a guard. But Andrew Luck is running for his life back then. He's actually doing a good job, I think, avoiding the sack when he can. I feel bad for him. He doesn't have a chance.

And the coach and the GM both signed extensions. It's a weird organization. Yeah, it's one of those teams when they put seven guys on the line to rush them, and you just know it's going to end badly because they just can't block everybody. For first coach fired, McCoy is in the lead now because they just keep on games.

Caldwell, Malarkey, I would say that's the top three. Pagano bradley yeah i think ryan and ryan saved himself for a few weeks bradley a little too in uh in london but i feel bad for those chargers that to me reminds me of the cowboys of the afc that's a sad one and three two straight killer fumbles that game game was basically over. I actually had decided to start ignoring it. I was going to go for a nice walk with the dogs and my wife, and then all of a sudden it's 34-28,

and the Saints have the ball outside the 10. Unbelievable. John Kuhn is doing stuff. Three touchdowns for John Kuhn. So which of the one in three teams would you least be surprised they made the playoffs? So you mentioned teams that are just out of it. Detroit, Chicago, San Diego, Tampa Bay, Miami, Tennessee, San Francisco.

So out of Arizona, the Jets, Carolina. I wouldn't rule out Tampa yet. I don't know why. And Tampa, huh. I just think they had a tough schedule. And nine wins could get an NFC wildcard. So it's tougher for me to rule out NFC teams. And they did beat the NFC South later.

AFC's going to take 10, and it might even take 11. Yeah, I love that wildcard run for the NFC. NFC, you could see nine and seven sneak in with something. I mean, your team, can you get to 10 wins? Sure. Yeah. Remember when we thought the NFC East was gonna suck yeah well this is the easiest the Cowboys have had as far as an early schedule like I don't remember like

that the they beat teams that combined four and eight I think your defense just might be terrible the defense it's hard to say I know it's hard it's hard to even tell Moe Claiborne our worst first round pick of all time, played out of his mind. I will say one thing with the Cowboys, I like the sideline reactions. It seems like they're locked in. Get 20, 25 guys doing fist pumps after big plays. Garrett was locked in.

Yeah. Well, that's the thing we discussed, like the 14-0. When your rookie quarterback goes down 14-0, can he bring it back or 10-0? Yeah. He did that, so that's nice to look at. We're going to do the week five lines, but first, you never know when burglars are watching your house.

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You and I should get a bye. You didn't watch it? I skipped the first quarter. You did. I actually forgot. I saw the kickoff. I did the thing. I had the volume all the way down.

It was 7-0 and I immediately locked out. I was like, fucking Andrew Luck. God damn that guy. Bortles was good. He wasn't that bad yesterday. Really? Yeah, it was fun. He was running for first downs. He kicked the ballles was good. He wasn't that bad yesterday. Really? Yeah, yeah. It was fun.

He was running for first downs. He kicked the ball into the stands. You don't get a flag. He was doing good things. The Colts are awful. Yep. I tweeted this yesterday, but I just, everybody's got like, what, 120 million with the salary cap or something?

I don't understand how you're bad in every category on your team. Yeah. Like, they have luck, but if you were like, what's the second best thing the Colts do? I don't know. They have a terrible pass rush. They can't cover on new, and they can't tackle. They don't really have a good running game.

They don't have any great receivers. T.Y. Hilton's the number two receiver that is the number one on that team. It's just strange. Yeah, and Gore still produces. It's strange it's like he's like oh they're old they're like the quell jackson and gore but these guys like they're not the problem i don't know what i don't know what it is really so thursday night i assume there's not a line on this because it's at arizona at san francisco and palmer got his bell rung

and i can't imagine he's going to play on Thursday night. You can't recover from a concussion in five days. I haven't seen anything that says he's going to play. Like everything says we're going to be cautious and it's a short week. But I'm going to give you this one because I did see a line. I thought it'd be, and I considered with Palmer being out, San Francisco I thought would be favored by one and a half. You said Arizona would be favored by one. Yes. It's Arizona favored by one and a half. You said Arizona would be favored by one.

Yes. It's Arizona favored by one and a half. Oh, so I win this one. Yeah, you won that one. The Niners. Do we have to do something special for this Thursday game? It's an awful game. No, no.

I mean, promotion-wise? Don Julio? You can cut that out. We can either. No, no, no. We can either do the Don Julio for tonight's Monday night game. Oh. Or we can do Thursday.

Or we can do both. Interesting. You want to just do our Don Julio shot of the week now? Yeah, let's do it. All right. Let's do it for both night games. Okay. So shot of the week presented by Don Julio.

You're two and two. I'm one and three in each shot of the weeks. All right. So maybe we make it so you can pick either Monday or Thursday. Okay. All right. Good. That's good.

So the Monday night game is, what is it? It's Minnesota home, favored by four and a half. Oh, Minnesota home by four and a half over the Giants. And then this other one is cards won over the Niners. I think that's one of the all-time stay-aways. I'm going to take the Giants for my Don Julio shot. You're taking that one? Yeah.

Okay. I'm going to take them. Now, you know what? Can you take the Don Julio shot back? I don't know. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to take them. Now, you know what? Can you take the Don Julio shot back? I don't know. I just threw the shot over my shoulder. Don Julio. You know what?

The Cardinals aren't going to go one and four. All right. I'm taking the cards. Whatever the line is, they'll figure it out. We're going head to head here. I'm taking San Francisco. Okay. I think they stick that stake right in the chest.

They impressed you yesterday. Yeah. They were really good. No, I don't. Can I switch my pick? This is chest. Boy, they impressed you yesterday. Yeah. They were really good. Can I switch my pick? This is bad. You just talked me into it. No, come on. When are you going to switch games and picks?

Now, the Cardinals, they're really going to go one and four? I think they are. I think they are. What did you see from the Niners that impressed you? I love them this year. What did you see from the Niners that impressed you in the Dallas game? Nothing. Nothing at all. No. What did they do well they lost bowman yeah that bowman's out of the torn achilles

right yeah i just think three days they're home they'll figure out a way to win it's an incredible moment when the cowboys i mean the niners fourth and six to win the game or to stay alive in the game and gabbert throws a three yard out to toryrey Smith who gets tackled. I had a couple questions. One, why hasn't Torrey Smith passed the first down line? What's he doing three yards? And then Gabbert throwing it. The whole thing was bizarre. On that play, just throw like a moon ball up for grabs.

Try to get a P.I. or something. Yeah, I like that play. I didn't mind it. I'm sure you did. All right. Go to the Sunday games. Four bye teams now. Jacksonville, Kansas City, New Orleans, and Seattle.

Who needed the bye week the most? I would say Kansas City. Well, it's weird. Do you want the bye after London, or do you want it before London? Because Jacksonville gets it, but the Colts don't. I think you want it before. Yeah, why do they do it that way? I don't know.

I would rather have the bye afterwards. After? Yeah, because the London fight screws you up. Yeah, but you're're getting i guess yeah i was messed up for like a month after i came back from london yeah so but they didn't get either boot so the colts are we should keep that in mind but let's discuss seattle for a second yeah they were they were impressive i mean i had the jets that was dumb no it wasn't dumb no that was you had a great pick that everybody was on well it became soup by sunday it became super sexy yeah right i hated that but um but we don't know that on thursday and we didn't also know that jimmy graham we're gonna see the 2012-13 jimmy graham

yeah made like three of the best catches this year for me that came down to danny kelly made a great by the way i really enjoyed the ringinger NFL show on Friday with Danny Kelly and Mays I hadn't listened to it before and Danny Kelly gets super you know football nerdy

on some of the stuff which I liked and one of his cases was like just how hard it's going to be for the Seahawks offensive line

against any great defensive line he's like I think the Jets can dominate this game and I'm listening to them thinking Wilson can't move

they're not going to be able to block like the Jets can dominate this game. And I'm listening to him thinking, Wilson can't move. They're not going to be able to block. The Jets' D-line should just take this game. And then you see Wilson. He looks fine. And then you read the – I read Peter Kingston today talking about how Wilson, basically his therapist, slept in his house. Right.

And he's just constantly – and basically he was fine. He was like 80%. And they had a great play. We couldn't have known that. The play calling was great. Like a lot of underneath routes, a lot of short stuff. I said Jimmy Graham and this Christine Michaels is excellent back there. They're going to be good. Yeah, he has my $29 from our fantasy auction that I spent on Thomas Ross.

Oh, right, right, right. He runs around the $29 falling out of his pants. You're in a good spot. What did you say? I think you tweeted yesterday. I only need 32 points from Darkwa, and I win this week. That's a real player. I don't even know who Darkwa's first name is. It's Orleans, I think.

Orleans Darkwa. If he has 160 yards and three TDs, I'm in. I'll do it. Yeah, you've got this, Orleans. That's great. Darkwa. All right, so Sunday, you've got this, Orleans. That's great. Darkwa. All right, so Sunday, Washington at Baltimore's first game.

So you like this Ravens team a tiny bit more than I do. But I hate this Skins team. I think their defense is awful and I can't believe... First of all, how did they cover that? That one hurt. I know.

I don't know how the Browns didn't win it, much less cover it. The Browns know they don't have to not cover. They could just tank the season. They could just lose games and cover, and they'll still get the first pick, right? So frustrating. I think we both nailed this. You said I have Ravens by four. And I had them by four, and it's three and a half.

That's probably fair. That's a game that if the Ravens are serious about maybe making a wild card run, you have to win this specific game, yeah. Right. Sort of a rivalry, too. There's going to be Washington fans. It'll be interesting. All right, Tennessee at Miami.

I'm still not ready to give up on Tennessee yet. Wow. Even though... Same team every week. I know. I'm still not ready to give up on Tennessee yet. Wow. Even though... Same team every week. I know. So here, they lose to the Vikes. They had a lead in that one. They beat the Lions.

Hung tough with the Raiders. Lost 17-10. Yesterday, really had a chance to beat the Texans. That punt return. Right. Or kick return, whatever it was. Killed them. They're not getting blown out in these games.

No. And they can run the ball. I don't think Mariota can be as bad as he was this first month. They had a lot of young guys. The problem is their coaches are awful. They have a pretty easy schedule. What am I talking about? I don't know.

It just feels like 8-8 could keep you in the mix in the AFC South. I don't like this Texans team. That's the only thing going, I think. This game is terrible. It's funny, both of our instincts were right before this season. I like the Texans because I thought they were in a crap division. Bad division. You didn't like the Texans, and we were both right.

And they got it. They might go eight and eight and win the division. This game should be flexed to London if it's not too late. I have Dolphins by three and a half. I had Dolphins by four, and it's three and a half, so you get that one. Hey, QBs you've seen enough of? You've seen enough?

Tannehill, Gabbert, Keenum. Have you seen enough? Brady. I've seen enough of Case Keenum. I can't even describe what goes on. I had Arizona Moneyline and a lot of Marleys. I put them on the end like, yeah, this looks good. This looks good.

How are they making no mistakes? How's a Case Keenum going in there making good throws? Brian Quick, he's been out of the league for 15 years, and he gets two touchdowns. Oh, I hate this year. And my team's good. It might just be, maybe we just don't bet. You think?

Yeah, maybe we just stay away. No. Just bet baseball. We'll talk off air. I do like, I like week five. I have a guaranteed winner. I like week five. I think this is a nice week for us.

I like the Titans in that game, but keep going. Where are we? Oh, Houston at Minnesota. Houston at Minnesota. the titans in that game but keep going uh where are we oh houston at minnesota houston at minnesota so i had the vikings by six and a half and if they suck tonight that line drops to probably four and if they're good tonight i think that line climbs to seven seven and a half all right well you get the you get the w for this game i had had it at four, and it's six. But you're right. A lot depends on this game.

Yeah, I think the Texans are going to have a lot of trouble moving the ball in this game. I think they're going to have trouble against good coaches. Yes. And I think they don't, this is weird to say, but I don't think they care for the reasons we just gave to win their outer division games. They know they just have to win. Yeah, not the same incentive.

They just got to take care. They got to go like five and one in the AFC South and win four of division games. They know they just have to win. Yeah, not the same incentive. It doesn't matter. They just got to take care. They got to go like five and one in the AFC South and win four of their games. Yeah. They're good. I do like Will Fowler. I think he's exciting. Yeah, he is good.

I remember Tony took him in our draft. How much did he get it for? I don't even remember, but I was like, who the hell? I didn't even know what team he was on. And he's a real guy. He gets behind the defenders a lot. They have skill position guys, because I think Lamar Miller is good too. They have three guys who can make plays.

And Hopkins had one catch. Like they won a game where Hopkins had one catch. Teams are just double team and I'm taking them out. Very strange. Yeah. Chicago and Indianapolis. This is another clunker. I have the Colts by four and I like the –

I just don't think the Colts should be favored over anybody after what I saw yesterday. And coming back from London. I beat you here. I said four and a half. It is four and a half right there in that Vegas zone you talk about. I don't know what's going to be with this game, but I know Andrew Luck is going to be the greatest garbage time quarterback

of all time. And it's happening. It's happening. He's going to take the mantle from Stafford, I think so. It's kind of Stafford's thing. It is. It is. He's going to be way better in garbage yards than why A. Tittle was the worst.

No, I don't know. No. It was Stafford. Yeah. Maybe I might have to tell Danny Kelly to write this. I need the definitive Andrew Luck playing from behind column. Yeah. Once he's down 10, his QB rating has to be like 130. write this i need the definitive andrew luck playing from behind column yeah it's got once

he's down 10 his qb rating has to be like 130 i called t y hilton as my fantasy bust and i think he had like 20 yards to three and three and a half quarters and you know he like catches a touchdown and you know and then who was it door said caught that long touchdown i don't think it's rocket science it seems like they just have to play hurry up and let him just call the plays and go schoolyard and they're much more dangerous when they slow it down and go very. That's when they fall apart. Don't play like you're a real team. Look, I still watch Luck sometimes and wonder if his shoulder strength is 100 percent.

Yeah. He does throw some floaters. I would not say he has a cannon anymore and he's had issues with his shoulder. Yeah. Well, his shoulder's embedded in the turf half the time. I think that's a problem. Jets at Pittsburgh. I'm so mad we didn't have Pittsburgh yesterday.

This feels like such a teaser. So mad. Steelers 8.5 I had. Let's tease that right now. I had it high, too. I had 8, and it's 6.5. A little worried that it's only 6.5. What did you see from the Jets that makes you think they should stay in that game?

Good D-line. Yeah. Must-win game for them. Is Rivas even out? Is he playing anymore? The whole season kind of rides on this game. They're not making the playoffs that they go 1-4. I guess not.

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Philly at Detroit. Wow, Philly just keeps hitting the jackpot with this schedule. It's pretty good. What a Philly at Detroit. Wow, Philly just keeps hitting the jackpot with this schedule. It's pretty good. What a week to play Detroit. I had the Eagles by three and a half.

I don't feel good about it. I said Eagles by four. You get it. Eagles by three. Wow. And screw you, Vegas, for fixing this line. I'm not falling for it.

Not doing it. Pennsylvania? Any given Wednesday? Hmm? Yeah. The Wentz wagon? I don't know. Two weeks, everybody telling him how great he is. You're so good. Hey, I got this commercial for blah, blah,

blah. He's feeling great. His head's kind of starting to swell. He goes to Detroit and dumb things happen. Two weeks to prepare for Detroit. Let's stay away. His head's kind of starting to swell. He goes to Detroit and dumb things happen. Two weeks to prepare for Detroit. Let's stay away. Come off a lousy game. Alright, your game is the last of the early ones. New England at Cleveland. I had trouble with this.

You could have talked me into 10. You could have talked me into 14. I went with minus 11. And I think I went too low. You went a little too high. I went too low. I said nine. I thought Brady, you know, it's still his first week practicing with the team,

so I thought it would be about nine. It's 10 and a half. So I win that one. Yeah, you win that one. Monday's my day, man. I just dominate on Mondays. Yeah, you're up five to six to three or five to three with a tie. The Browns are the most lovable and talented worst team we've ever had in a season.

Like, they're clearly the worst team, but they hang in these games. Terrell Pryor is really fun to watch. He's one of the most fun A-players in the league. But they're not hanging in the games. They're starting off well, and they're blowing it. Like, maybe their opponent in the second half. They're never in the games. They're starting off well, and they're blowing it. Maybe their opponent in the second half. They're never out of it. It's not like they're losing 35 to nothing.

At some point, they realize they're the Browns. But I thought it would be funny if Brady enters the huddle speaking Italian just to drive everyone crazy. I was in Italy for the last 13 months just to screw with everyone. Lake Cuomo, George. Let me ask you, on a scale of one to Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson, how shocked would you be if the Patriots lost this game? Oh.

Eight out of ten. Seven and a half out of ten. Really? Not even a ten? You don't give it a full 10? I'm not sold on this being a dominant pitcher team yet. Gronk's not healthy. They still don't have a third down back.

Defense has been good, not great. Brady first game back. Yeah. I don't think it's Douglas Tyson. Wow. I think it's right up there. I really do. But there is that no one believes in us.

The Browns could keep it close for a while. That's the best I'll be able to do. By the way, welcome back, Tom Brady. You're excited, right? You got a quarterback again. I'll tell you what I didn't like is a vision of a world in where I don't have a quarterback. Yeah, that was a little scary, right? Zero points and wide open guys, the ball ceiling over their head.

It made you appreciate. I hope for your sake he remembers how to play football. Yeah. I really do. I think he'll be fine. Atlanta, Denver. Now we're at the late afternoon game. So what's the best early game?

Not a great slate there, is it? Jets of Pittsburgh? That's pretty awful. Probably Steelers. Houston, Minnesota? I don't know. Yeah, there's really not a good one. Vikings, Texans.

Maybe if the Texans took a lead. Right. Steelers, Jets could be fun. I don't like. Yeah, there's really not a good one. Vikings-Texans, maybe if the Texans took a lead. Right. Steelers-Jets could be fun. I don't like any of those games. Atlanta-Denver. This is a good one. This is good. I find it hard to believe that the Falcons are going to go into Denver

and throw the ball all over the place. I have the Broncos by six and a half. I said five and a half and I did nail it. It's five and a half as of this morning. Is it because of Paxton Lynch's mustache? Did that knock it down? Did you see his mustache? I didn't see the mustache.

There's a picture of him. Really? That's what Serrano had in the ringers, winners, and losers today. Where he's got like a wispy mustache. And that's the winner? I think that might have knocked the line down. don't know if uh i agree with you i think atlanta goes to denver and seattle we're gonna find out about them if they're for real but um so you think julio jones could be our first 2500 yard receiver that was amazing that was just insane like when he's on turf it's gonna be a

different story with him i think but and i also think you everybody laughed at me when i had 15 of my 18 roster spots filled and i didn't have a quarterback yet and i picked up matt ryan i laughed at you too might be the might be the mvp right now for a dollar i tried to go two dollars and we didn't have it oh you didn't have it yeah $2 would have taken it Thank you You spread it around on Romo Dak Prescott And Ryan

$3 on quarterbacks Would it give you 40 points yesterday I think it was 40 and a half I might be 4-0 if I hold on against Damoshek As long as Beckham doesn't have a crazy game. San Diego at Oakland. I have Oakland by 4.5. I think I went too low.

No, you were right on. I had 6, and it is 4.5. I don't know. Maybe this is a game San Diego wins. Do you think any Raiders listen to our podcast? Any of the actual Raiders? Maybe like one of them? You know the answer? of the actual Raiders? Maybe like one of them? You know the answer?

No, I don't know. Maybe one. One of them? Like 2% of them? Yeah. If there's a Raider listening to this podcast, you're 3-1. You haven't done anything yet. You need 10 wins to make the playoffs, maybe 11.

Don't fall asleep this week on this crap Chargers team that has a tendency of hanging around and playing better on the road and are a little better than their record. Just take care of business. Lay the smack down. Don't get cute. Don't listen to your friends telling you how great you are. Just take care of business. If you're a real playoff team, you win this game. It's not the road game where you upset somebody.

You take care of business in a game like this. Now, the only problem is the only Raider that listens to this is Marquette King, the punter. So he can only do so much. Well, he can still tell people in the locker room. Yeah, he should tell them. Hey, I was listening to the BS podcast. Get in everyone's ear, Marquette. They don't have music anymore.

Buffalo at the... They're like us. They don't have music. Buffalo at the Rams. I don't think wild horses could drag me to this stadium for the seven hour. Yeah. Just sounds horrible. People were saying it was like they were fried eggs on a pan, just frying.

Sounds terrible. Like hot water is your best bet for seven dollars. Sounds terrible. I had the Rams by three. All three of us nailed this. Me, you, and Vegas. It's a great line. All had three.

I wouldn't know which way to go with it. Let me count these up here. I need to run the table to tie. Okay. So this is exciting. Are we done with the late games? No, we got one more. Oh, yeah.

Cincinnati at Dallas. Woo! I got Cowboys by three. I had Cincinnati by two and a half, and it's Cincinnati by one. Why would you have Cowboys by three? I like your team. Can run the ball. I like teams that can run the ball.

Finally a good defense we're going against. Is Des really America's most hated? That's what he said about himself, right? He said he's America's most hated. No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. No. I kind of feel bad for Dez.

I think he's like emotionally troubled. Yeah, for sure. Don't we all kind of feel that way? Like he's a little... Talented guy who's a little troubled. A little immature. Yeah. Those are worse examples of him.

Would I hire him for the ringer? No. You should. Why not? No, I wouldn't. I don't like unreliable people. You should hire him for the ringer. I. You should. Why not? I wouldn't. I don't like unreliable people. You should hire him for the ringer. I like reliable people. That's what he's waiting on. Oh, I forgot to tell you

when we talked about the Bi-Weeks and the Chiefs. Did you see the Chiefs are 0-7 on NBC Night Games? Is that right? They've never won. They're 0-7 with Al Michaels. Why don't we find this out afterwards? Al Michaels put the evil eye on the Chiefs. Really?

Yeah. 0-7. Oh, man. Thought that was interesting. Poor Andy Reid. So we have the two night games left. Hold on. I gotta do... We gotta say hi to ZipRecruiter. Are you hiring? Sal, are you hiring? Not yet. Hiring people for Cousin Sal's short thing? I'm firing. I'm not hiring.

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Or I'll just get Picture Me Rolling to come back. I gotta know. I'm just... Aren't you friends with some musicians now? Yeah, I stuff no no but i mean like you can have someone like like a musician yeah tupac wasn't legitimate he's just dead no no something that you're friends with i'm saying like i i feel like you're close i don't want to blow out your friendships on this podcast but like you know like you know people. I might know people. Like Josh Gardner. You think Josh Gardner would get the guitar and play a little folksy number?

I think we should have done the Don Julio shot for Monday night. For Monday? For tonight? No, for... Oh, I guess we can't. No, I think we did it right. All right. I don't want to make Don Julio mad. Sunday night?

No, you do not. Giants at Green Bay. I do feel like the Giants steal one of these games. Don't you? Minnesota or Green Bay? That's a really tough schedule combo. I know, but... You've got the Monday night Minnesota game and then the Sunday night at Green Bay. Like, that's brutal. They just piss me off. You know they're going to

take one of these. I had the Packers by five and a half over the Giants. I had six and a half and it's seven, so I need one more to tie. No, it's not going to be this next one. Should we go right to Monday night? Tampa Bay, Carolina. We both picked it assuming Cam is playing, right?

Yes. I had the Panthers by seven. And I get it exactly. I had Carolina by six. So we tied? We tied. Big comeback. Six, six and two. I'm three, oh had Carolina by six. So we tied? We tied. Big comeback. Six, six, and two.

I'm 3-0-1 overall. I can't wait to find out that you cheated and that I actually won because you've done that once or twice. How would I cheat, though? I don't know. You've done that before. Let's figure out how I would cheat. I send you my lines first.

You've done it before. You barely sent me yours this morning before I pulled up here. What's our teaser? Let's just look at this real quick. There's a lot of six-7 games in there. Steelers. Steelers-Packers. Steelers-Panthers.

I'm staying away from Panthers. Oh, man. It's their season. How about Steelers-Vikings? Why are the Texans going to put up points in Minnesota? Yeah. Maybe throw the Pats in there to get everybody to 10 points? You're right.

It could be good so I have one more question for you can Cleveland go 0-16 sure oh yeah

here's the rest of the schedule New England at Tennessee winnable at Cincinnati home for Jets Dallas at Baltimore

home for Pittsburgh Giants Cincy at Buffalo home for San Diego that seems like the most likely candidate and then at Pittsburgh what you said so home for San Diego. That seems like the most likely candidate, and then at Pittsburgh. You said home for San Diego. What was Tennessee game?

They're at Tennessee week six. We're going to get a good feel for them. Home for the Jets. Yeah. In play. I'm sorry, Hugh Jackson. We have to talk about baseball. Yeah.

Both of our teams made it. The baseball playoffs start basically Tuesday with the two wild card teams. Your team's playing on Wednesday night, which is one of the reasons we moved this podcast. You would have been a show of yourself. Yeah, we'd tape normally right when that would be going on. You play the Giants? Cinder Garden, Bumgarner, city field. Who are you throwing?

Lucas Duda? What do you mean? Who are you pitching? Oh, Syndergaard. Yeah. I like it. And, you know, we're the plucky team that no one thought. I mean, we have no David Wright.

We have no DeGrom. We have no Harvey. Strawberry and Good and the uh the grom we have no harvey it's strawberry good in the walker yeah yeah strawberry good in the gone you know obviously we have one game and anything goes but i like i like the spot we're in here i really do very optimistic what about you though so let's talk about the pennant odds first. Red Sox have the best pennant odds, plus 225. And Texas is also plus 225. Cleveland's 3-1. Toronto's 5-1, and Baltimore's 12-1.

Right. I think Toronto's really good. And if they just win this, you know, the wildcard odds always get screwed up. And it's a little like when we had our famous Royals bet that I like to say was famous, but it really wasn't famous. Nobody remembers it. But if Toronto can get through that game and then they play Texas, I think they could beat Texas. I like Toronto.

I do, too. But those are bad odds. Five to one for a team that could. So then if they win their first, if they win the play-in game, they're two and a half to one. Yeah, it's almost like you bet it series by series. Yeah, you have to do it. Yeah, you're right. Those odds should be a little bit better.

Way higher. These wild card teams should each get a bump. The Red Sox should destroy the Indians with all the injuries Cleveland's had, but the Francona thing worries me. Well, what about Kimbrell? You have a few problems, don't you? Well, Kimbreough's more than a problem what about losing five of your last six well we did i know but that's what stinks about

baseball like when do you want to ideally clinch don't you want to ideally clinch like tuesday of the last week they laid this smack down with the 11 run with the 11 game streak i think right you know but the kimbrough thing's a real problem and i don't know how it plays out because koji was lights out. Kimbrell can't pitch unless it's a safe situation. So it's not like they could just flip them and make Kimbrell the eighth inning guy. Right. I don't know what they do.

I think he walked almost like over 30 guys in 50 plus innings or something. It's tough this time of year anyway. And what's even tougher for the Red Sox is our friend Daniel bet them to win the World Series. When did he do that? A long time ago. Well, he's done that before in June. Yeah. We have...

Damn it. It's a good year for Daniel. I don't know. Maybe it's, you know, sold part of his company. Made some money. Maybe it continues. The Red Sox. We have three starters I like, and I love our offense.

Our offense is really solid. We have like five guys that I completely trust in the big spot. No question. And it's always tough to win in Fenway. Francona worries me, though. The karma of how Francona had to leave Boston. The smear campaign that happened after. Right.

It just feels like the ultimate revenge. He comes in with this inferior team and topples us. So it's Rex Ryan on Belichick. Yeah. Yeah. Who worries me a little bit. Who would you pick? Yeah, I mean, you know, you follow National League,

not American League. Yeah, so I would, let me see here. Just odds-wise? I think Toronto can be... I hate to say it, I think there's value in the Giants at 10-1. All right, I was going to go to that right now. I think once they get past that, if they got past the Mets,

and obviously I'm rooting very, very hard against it, I think there's good value with them. So the Giants... You know how they are. If they win the wild card, they play the Cubs. Right. Another team that might have peaked too early. We saw what happened with the Cubs last year.

They were excellent. And then it got a little cold and they couldn't hit in the third week in October. I don't like any of these teams. Yeah, they don't get good odds on these. They really don't. Should go game by game. It does seem like the Red Sox, so to win the World Series, it's Cubs plus 225.

The Red Sox are plus 600. Texas is plus 600. Toronto is plus 1200. San Francisco is 18-1. I want to do a parlay with the teams to not make the World Series. Not win the World Series. Can you do that?

I'm going to get odds on that, and then we'll lose when the Orioles win it or whatever. Mets Red Sox is 30-1. Oh, interesting. The 30-year anniversary. That's fun. The worst odds are Giants Orioles. 140?

140-1. Wow. That's even worse than Mets OriOrioles, which is 121. 69 series, yeah. I don't see the Rangers thing. How about Cubs-Orioles? I don't know what I'm missing with that one. Cubs-Orioles, 25 to 1.

It's a good hitting team. The thing with the Orioles is it's an eight-inning game against them because if they have the lead, the game's over. Right, yeah. He's one of the greatest closers. It's like an Eckersley 1988 season, Britton had. Yeah, and they don't stop hitting home runs for 20 minutes. Homers can be a little dicey in October, though.

We'll have to study this more. I like my team's chances, but I'm also fully prepared for Kimbrough to blow two games in this Indian series and just, you know, what a misfire. If he doesn't come through this month, they made a big, big move on him. Yeah, you need a four-run lead in the ninth. I will say Pomerantz as kind of a hybrid might start a game, but pitch out of the bullpen guy is kind of an asset.

I liked seeing him. He came in relief yesterday. And if you have him and you have Koji, I liked seeing him. He came in relief yesterday. Right. And if you have him and you have Koji and I don't know. It's just tough for these guys to get hot in October.

Ortiz's last season was, I just can't get over it. 38 homers. I got a lot of, tell Bill Simmons that people care about Vince Scully's retirement more than Big Papi's retirement.

I got a lot of that this week. Did you really? Were people mad about the Vince Scully's retirement more than Big Papi's retirement. I got a lot of that this week. Did you really? Were people mad about the Vince Scully thing? I was genuinely curious. I think they were just like, who does he think he is? Talking about Big Papi. It's something so regional. I would argue people have watched Big Papi play baseball more than they've heard Vince Scully announce baseball.

Well, I think it's the thing where no one over 65 cares about Big Papi and no one under 25. Not no one, but I mean, it's a testament to how beloved he is. He didn't get jumped in the San Francisco parking lot yesterday. Vince Scully. He's intact. I really liked how he handled the last few weeks, like the stuff he said. It's great.

It's a lot of like, I've said enough. Yeah. Enough words have come out of this mouth. Yeah, right. And now it's time a lot of like i've said enough yeah enough words have come out of this mouth yeah right and now it's time to do other things but that's how we're all gonna sign off yeah he's a good guy i don't as i as we've discussed many times i don't understand how people do any form of media by themselves right the coward i don't get i don't get vince gully i don't get. I don't get Vin Scully. I don't get, who are the other ones? Oh, like Mad Dog Russo's by himself for five hours. Francesa.

Yeah. I just, I don't get it. I don't think it's an ego thing with Scully either. With some of these other guys you named, I think it kind of is like, nope, I don't want a partner kind of thing. Yeah, I'm not splitting the money with anyone. Scully is just like, I don't know, he's just so pleasant and maybe unaware of his surroundings so it works. You know how

hard it is when you hear other people try to do it and they're not good at it? You hear that especially in sports radio. Coming up, I'm going to tell you why Andrew Luck is like season 8 of Dexter right after this. Like, no, that's going to be terrible. What else do we have? Anything?

That's it, I think. Cousin Sal's short thing. It was one and two last week. I have a winner. I'm not effing around anymore. I have an easy winner on Friday. And we're going to give another $1,000 away in our prop bet challenge. Are you down, up, or even?

I'm six and six, but I'm down a little money. Because you lost a couple of best bets. Right, yeah. Six and six. Two and two on the best bets best i think the last two weeks were just terrible to gamble on i think we have i don't i don't think anybody out there is going oh man i cleaned up again right it's just totally wonky and it's right and maybe we should just not bet in september i keep going back to the collective bargaining agreement all these young

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Your cousin and I bet on the debates, which is another one coming up Sunday, and we won a little money. We would have cleaned house if Trump had worn a red tie like he should wear, but he wore a blue tie and that screwed things up. Is that true? Yeah, we should take a look at these. Blue power tie? Because they have odds like how many times will the word liar be used?

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We all want some law and order in our lives. Thanks, Donald Trump. Cus, good job by you. Good job by you, Billy.