The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 140: Week 10 NFL Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 7, 2016

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on Cousin Sal to discuss Matthew Stafford's comeback (6:00), who's going to win the NFC North (10:00), Melvin Gordon's redemption (14:00), the NFL's top records against the spread (18:00), Zeke Elliott's entertaining running style (25:00), Drew Brees's MVP potential (31:00), how bad Jared Goff is (39:00), Mike McCarthy's play-calling (48:00), Jeff Fisher vs. Jack Del Rio (52:00), and Seahawks-Pats on 'Sunday Night Football' (55:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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They were very kind to lend us their music for year two. Really? Belatedly of the BS Podcast. I don't have a TV show anymore. Well, I do. I'm going to have one this week. You are? We're going to have our cousin Jimmy Kimmel is going to be on And Adam Carolla I was thinking

If you hadn't gotten Cancelled last week Carolla would've Done you in anyway Right That's the thing Either way It would've been bad

But I don't have a lot to say Other than what I've Already said publicly I'd rather talk about football I know I feel like I'm more Upset about this

Than you are I'm very upset No I know I just You know You did a good job you really did it's a freaking tough no it's it's freaking impossible it really is like you did the show you wanted to do and uh you know whatever we don't want to get into uh in in in positive

news yeah your football team is really good they are they took care of business that was a sneaky giving seven and a half points on the road to a lousy team. The game you thought you were going to lose. The hiccup game, possibly. You just rolled over them. It was great. Really did.

Yeah, McCown. Once they switched from McCown to Kessler, I actually took Cleveland in one of my picks. Really, really stupid. Did you lose all of your picks? No, I won San Diego was my best bet. That was a ridiculous game. Ooh, you barely won that one.

I know. Jesus. Well, they were up two touchdowns, and then they almost blew the whole thing. They made you sweat it. Every game is like that. Really, I'm not going to survive. But yeah, the Cowboys almost have an easier run than the Patriots now, I think. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. You're afraid of the Raiders. You're more afraid of the Raiders. I asked you last week. You said Steelers. I'm not 100% afraid of the Raiders. You're more afraid of the Raiders. I asked you last week. You said Steelers. I'm not 100% afraid of the Raiders yet. Yeah.

I probably should be. They just look so big and so much bigger than everyone and more powerful controlling the line of scrimmage. I will say they did what they had to do finally in that game. I think they needed a win like that to be like, no, we're for real, seriously. And you watch, they had a great crowd that to be like no we're for real seriously and you watch they had a great crowd sunday night alan chris are there i still am not denver with this

running back situation they're a different team yeah and i don't know what to make anything i wrote down all the the wins that everybody has right the patriots cowboys raiders have seven wins the falcons broncos and Chiefs have six wins. The Texans, Vikings, and Giants and Lions have five wins. So that's those 10 teams that have five wins or more. Now we're heading to week 10. Meanwhile, there are 18 teams that have between four and three wins. 18.

The Bears and Jags have two wins, and the 49ers and Browns have one or zero wins. So I don't think you can rule out anybody with three wins from the playoff picture. And I even include the Jets and the Bucs and the Rams because there's a chance like 8-8 might get a wild card this year. How can you cross anyone off? Well, I know what—

I mean, I want to cross the Bucs and the Jets off. One thing you can't cross off or check is our parlay to not make the playoffs. Cleveland, super. San Francisco, even better. Detroit Lions. Detroit Lions. So what were the odds on that parlay? That was our lock of the year heading into the season.

I don't know. It wasn't much worse than even, but those three, yeah, those three. So the Lions are working on something that this is the second year I've tracked the either-or games. Yeah. And the Lions right now have played five either-or games out of their first nine. Is that it? They've won four of them. Hasn't every game been a touchdown or less?

One of them, I had marked them. Did they come back? Like Green Bay, they were i had marked they come back like green bay they were losing big and they came back yeah one of them was uh oh i got that wrong yeah no they have they've had nine games they've had five either or again yeah yeah you're right five wins their five wins were all either or games well they're five wins they were losing with 90 seconds left all of them or tied or something oh you know what? I had the win over Washington not as an either-or game. Oh, right.

Yeah. Because, I don't know. Shouldn't they have won that one? Yeah. Or maybe I wrote that down wrong. You're right. They've had six either-or games. It's the same thing every week.

Stafford. Yesterday was particularly reprehensible, though. I don't I don't unless you watch that last minute I watched every play it's hard to really

understand what a choke job that was by Minnesota really bad they called a timeout with 27 seconds left Minnesota did right Minnesota did

when they had the ball yeah which was I still don't understand that one and then the kickoff they had a penalty what were they kicking it off from midfield yeah it was really bad and then and detroit had no timeouts left

and and you rush three on it's not a hell mary either it's going to be a 30 yard pass over the middle or it's or by the sideline or something you don't rush three and let stafford do whatever he wants he's gonna find somebody and then 17 seconds and they added two seconds to the clock which ended up being the last thing yeah and a 58 yard field goal in a game where kickers are missing extra points it just drives me crazy now the kicking game it's just well honestly i said it last week these guys we can outrun them we can out bench them and you might as well get the Viking fan with the big horns and the shirtless and the tattoo on his chest. Have him come out and run a lap and see who wins.

Let that decide the game. Why are we letting kickers do this? 58-yard field goal. I can't believe how unexcited the announcer was for it. Did you hear the announcing? No, I was screaming. He was like, here's Prater from 58, and it's good. Really?

It was like one of those calls. Really? How are you not more excited for this? They just scored with 20 seconds left. Yeah, it wasn't a homer. And then so they win the toss in overtime, and that's it. They went right down and scored. Terrible tackling.

Yeah. I found that when the first team has the ball in that overtime and they're going down toward the end zone, there's this point right around somewhere between the 30 and the 20 where it becomes easy to break big plays for scores. And I don't understand why teams aren't more afraid of giving up the touchdown in that spot. I don't get it.

So did you lose money in that game? Yes, I did. That was my second loss. Not good. I don't get it so did you lose money in that game yes i did that was my second second loss not good i don't think the vikings are good we talked about that this weekend and we were trying to figure out if there was an underdog thing and you'd already kind of gone in on the vikings yeah well you touched on the teams that don't have running games and it's tough you can't can only be so good without a running game right vikings packers uh who did you say in the AFC?

I mean, Denver right now can't run the ball like they used to. My fear with that, and I was wrong on just about every game. My fear in that Minnesota game was when you can't run the ball and you're favored by six or more, it's just really hard to protect the lead. So right now, the Vikings are 5-3 and the Lions are 5-4. And Green Bay is 4-4. the lead right so right now the vikings are five and three and the lions are five and four and green bay is four and four and we're now reaching somebody has to win that division the stage of the season right and i don't know who i don't who would you bet on out of those three teams i wrote it down green bay's plus 125 somehow lost in lambo and leapfrogged to the top spot for the vision favorite minnesota plus 140 det Detroit 4-1, Chicago, forget it, 50-1. But I think I wrote it down.

I don't see Detroit getting more than eight wins. This is nice. This is a lot of fun. But I think they end up eight and eight. It's too fluky. Who was the team last year that had the opposite of this, Baltimore? Like every game was close, but they kept losing? Yeah, right.

Detroit, though, they have a bye week this week. They're home for Jacksonville next week. So that could be six and four. Then four days later, Minnesota on a Thursday night in Detroit. Right. At New Orleans, home for Chicago. At Giants, at Dallas, home for Green Bay. So odds are that Green Bay-Detroit is a winner makes the playoffs game.

Yeah. My question is Minnesota's defense is no longer the defense we're saying is 2016's Denver. They cannot run the ball. They have the worst skill position guys probably of any team that doesn't have other than the Jaguars. It's like Bradford has to convert third and nine to like Stefan Diggs or Rudolph, the tight end or something. There's not a lot of talent there.

I don't see how they are ever going to score 20 points in a game again. Yeah. What do they have for the – so they had – these are their last three games. They had the bye week. They put up 10 against the Eagles. They put up 10 against the Bears. They put up 16 against the Lions. And this week they're at Washington,

a team that doesn't have a good defense, but scores points. And I don't think they're going to be able to match points with them. I think Minnesota's in trouble. He did the right thing getting out of there, North Turner, right? I mean, that guy just doesn't want

to be a coordinator anyway. Probably looks at Zimmer and says, this should be my job. He was looking at Jarek McKinnon and Cordero Patterson trying to run button hooks and was like, ah, I want to be home with my family. Yeah. Can we get one guy who's a guaranteed five-point fantasy guy?

Otherwise, I'm leaving. Did they have one guy we would have started in fantasy this week? I guess. Didn't you start? Who did you start? Did you have Diggs? You won, by the way. This was not a bad week after all.

You won in fantasy. It's huge. It did soften the blow. You're like three and six now. Yeah, I'm three and six. It's great. I was so desperate, I picked up Colin Kaepernick against the Saints. I saw that, and you started him.

I waived Eli because for like three, four straight days, I was debating whether I wanted to start Eli. And I was just like, I don't want to be in this world anymore with Eli. Right, right, right. I don't want to start him and he sucks. I don't start him. He comes back to haunt me. I just don't want to have the decision anymore.

So I cut him. He threw for four touchdowns. I didn't even care. We're both happier. Right. We're both better off. Good luck, Eli. Run free.

Brad, our friend Brad, had a few comments about you picking up Kaepernick and starting him. It was the right move. You giving up altogether. It ended up being. I think it was the right move. It was Kaepernick versus the Saints. I had to do it. Oh, right.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I thought he could get to 25 points, and I wasn't going to start Eli against Philly and have the 11-point Eli performance. Brad thought I quit on the season. Well, you know, he has a comment for every single thing that ever takes place. So consider yourself lucky. But what about this before we get off Detroit? The Thursday night game, which we're about to cover, now we flex it.

We see enough. We see two months of these teams play, and then we designate the same teams playing Thursday night every week, and those teams are the Detroit Lions and the San Diego Chargers. Very exciting. Not great. Just because they're fun. Probably not going to make the playoffs, either one.

Yeah, but that's a fun Thursday night game. Forget division. Forget conference record. We know they're not going to make the playoffs. Let's just see a fun Thursday night game every week. So you're saying Goodell steps in and was like, look, our product's not good enough, but we're fortunate enough to have two fun teams. Well, why wouldn't we put

Oakland in there? Well, they're too good. They're too good. You need like a four and five right around there. Do we have the make the playoffs bets? Oh yeah, we do. I saw it on there, but I didn't see any listed. Can I ask you a question? Oh, they don't have them listed for the moment. Maybe we just bet the Lions to make the playoffs and get out of this maybe we just admit defeat are you kidding

me maybe we admit defeat we'll lose that part i don't want to be like trump like going to nevada trying to win nevada over at the last second let's just admit let's go let's go for the push do we do that all right was hillary's minus 550 is that Minus 550? Well, since she's not going to jail now, everyone's back on board. I'm still concerned about our bet and our country. I'm concerned my office at Jimmy Kimmel Live right across the street is Trump's star, which was

famously jackhammered last week. And since that, there's been a fist fight outside every single day. Cops are nowhere to be found. There's protests around the star i was like i don't know if i want to come to work tomorrow or i guess wednesday would be the worst day but i i told your cousin three months ago i thought you should have 24 7 videotaping of that of that star yeah because i thought like you know people were gonna go take a shit on it right stuff

like that in the star yeah, camera in the start. That would have been interesting. You could have had, but you could have cameras rolling as this guy at three in the morning was just jackhammering. Right. So if there are fights there every day, why don't you have cameras there? I told him, we're now going to tape it starting today. I was like, this is ridiculous. I'm looking out the window.

Our friend Tony goes nuts. You know, he almost jumps out. He's got the binoculars anyway. So it's a great deal of fun Tony's got binoculars in your office on Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame star yeah okay his neighborhood watch um wait I have a couple more fantasy things I just want one more time for Melvin Gordon to know how upset I am I spent like 29 on him last year i didn't know i didn't know he had like a slightly tweaked knee that somehow made it

impossible for him to score touchdowns or get 190 yard games but it really hurts my feelings he's unbelievable he's so good he destroyed the titans right he did running for first downs when he was like limping off the field then comes back for the play. So we both thought Roethlisberger was going to come back and handle the Ravens. Yeah, that was stupid. Damoshek and I were emailing this weekend. Oh, really? Dave Damoshek.

What did he say? He said Ravens? He said... Just dropped the mic. He said Roethlisberger was 2-5 coming off an injury like that. Oh, wow. In the first game back. Mm-hmm.

And he was like... And so that scared me. Then Roethlisberger was terrible and then I was thinking he obviously came back a week too early because he's been Roethlisberger this is something we should file away for future future gambling things right the Ravens had 50 yards rushing they won on two plays the 95 yard pass to Wallace which was ludicrous and the block punt which was just as ludicrous. And then they did really nothing. I think like Flacco had 150 yards otherwise. It was two big plays.

But you're right. I think the line swung five points or five and a half points. We should have bet. We talked about it on Monday. Yeah. Not to sound like Phil Simms. We should have bet them when the line was what it was. And then we could have bet the Ravens.

We would have five points to play. Right. I think that was it. I think John Harbaugh was just like, listen, the point spread just swung five points. That's all we need to know. Let's go out there and beat this team. There was an interesting stat, and I can't remember where I read it

because I read a lot of NFL stuff this morning, about how the Ravens are by far the best team at not giving up big plays. Really? Really. And it's just very hard to get big runs and big pass plays on them. Yeah. Something to file away for the future. I could see it.

The Ravens, I mean, they might be a playoff team. They're not horrible. They're in these games. That's nuts. I think I wrote that. I have them at 3-2, 3 either or games. By the way, your team is six legitimate wins. Yeah. Only the Patriots have six legitimate wins. Two either or games. By the way, your team is six legitimate wins. Yeah.

Only the Patriots have six legitimate wins to either or games. No losses yet. Should we go about, about the spread, the best spread team? Cause you, you upset me. You said,

Oh yeah, you weren't, you weren't prepared. What do you have? Who's the best spread team? Well, it is my Dallas Cowboys seven Oh and one. And then actually,

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Can I guess who's top two? Sure, yeah. I've not seen this. Go ahead. Cowboys have seven wins, and then there's a few with six wins. I would have said the Cowboys had seven wins. And I would have said, I think the Lions are up there. Are the Lions up there?

Four, four, and one. Okay. So who's the top three? Atlanta, six and three. Saints, six and two. Six and two for the Saints? Yeah. Wow. Atlanta 6-3 Saints 6-2 6-2 for the Saints? Yeah Wow

Raiders 6-3 Chargers 6-3 Those are the top Those are the best teams So say those again Cowboys 7 Yeah Falcons 6-3

I have to find this out Saints 6-2 Raiders 6-3 Chargers 6-3 So this goes back to this out. Saints 6-2. Raiders 6-3. Chargers 6-3. So this goes back to the theory that we've always explored about just picking teams that you think are going to be good heading into a season and just riding them for two straight months. Yeah.

We had most of those teams. The Bucs we were missed on. Right. Or maybe I missed on. No, I didn't. I mean, the Panthers. But we knew there was going to be. The Panthers are 2-5-1.

That was a trip up team for sure team what else were the trip up teams um arizona's got to be down there right let's see bangles are two five and one browns are two and seven but no one bets them except for what were the cards uh yeah that's a good one three and five so we so heading into the season i'm sorry your patriots are seven-1 also. I should have mentioned that. Thank you. So heading into the season, we knew Arizona, Cincy, and Carolina. We knew at least one of those three was going to drop off this year. Seattle 3-4, not awful. Seattle.

That's interesting. Yeah, so there you go. 7-1 against the Spreads, the Pats. Not bad. So one of the reasons we wanted to do that was because in the second half of the season, it seesaws and it evens out a little bit. Right. Right?

Mm-hmm. I think so, yeah. So what do we think is going to seesaw? I would say Atlanta's a little too high. Yeah. I don't know if I... They're going to win the division now, right? Because that was basically for the division.

Or you see the Saints coming up. Saints are six to one to win the division. I think the Because that was basically for the division. Or you say the Saints, you see the Saints coming up. Saints are 6-1 to win the division. I think the Saints are half decent. You like them? Yeah. Because you can't count them out of any game, right? They can move the ball whenever they want. You know, you look at who they've played, right?

They lost to the Raiders by one. They lost to the Giants by three. They lost to the Raiders by one They lost to the Giants by three They lost to the Falcons by eleven And they lost to the Chiefs by six Those are the four losses Those are four playoff teams maybe If they're two touchdowns down

You're still in the game Their schedule gets a tiny bit easier Not this week because they're home against Denver, but eventually they have the Rams at home. They have the Lions at home. They have two Tampa Bay games left. Wow. And then they have Atlanta in Atlanta in week 17.

That's the last week? Yeah. Wow, that could be it. That'll be fun. Yeah, I mean, that's a must. Let the Saints be good again. All right, let's talk about it. We've got to do the Don Julio shot of the week.

Now, we both lost last week. We both had Minnesota, and they just never got going. Who knew? They were 5-1. We didn't know their season was about to fall apart. It was Chicago's week last week. That's still my weirdest game of this season. It's either that one or Pittsburgh at Miami.

But Pittsburgh got Philly. I think those are the two weirdest games if you look hurt. I'm sorry, Pittsburgh, Philly. I think those are the two weirdest games if you look back. I'll have to look. How does Philly kill Pittsburgh? Yeah.

But immediately that game was over. 28-0 over New England even without, I don't care who's quarterback. It was 16-0. Why are you adding points?

16? Yeah, it was 16-0. Oh, was it? Okay. That's not that bad. 28-0 was opening night. It was what, Niners over the Rams? Niners-Rams.

So Don Julio, the world's original handcrafted tequila. It's got multiple unique tequilas, including my favorite Don Julio 1942, the best luxury tequila you'll ever drink. We take a shot every week at either Monday night or Thursday night. What's tonight's game? Tonight's game is Buffalo at Seattle. And we both like Buffalo. Yeah, we do.

I do. I don't know why. I said Rex Ryan has a weird win every month, and this is the one. Let's go with Buffalo. I think that's a three-point game. Because we're not touching the Thursday game. So we get Buffalo and six and a half now. Went down a little bit.

That's fine. That feels like a three-point game. I am not convinced that seattle can block run or throw to the point that i started calling kaepernick over russell wilson in our fantasy league this week and it was the right move and i had no no hesitation at all lots of russell wilson injuries that we don't even know about conspiracy theories with him now he's playing with a torn this he's got got a broken that. Nobody knows what's wrong with him. Yeah.

He's clearly not playing like he used to. Somehow they're 4-2-1. Yeah. But the Thursday game, this is it. So we're doing the week 10 lines. I've been kicking your ass since we moved back to Monday. You've made a big comeback. You can't even accuse me of cheating because I've been mailing you the lines.

You're 4-3-2. I'm 4-3-2. You're going to be 4-4-2 after today. Wow, all right. I felt dead on with these lines today. Well, you missed this first one. Cleveland at Baltimore. I said the Ravens by eight.

I did not feel good about it. Too low? I said 10. Yeah, it is 10. Should the Ravens be favored by 10 points over anybody? Here's the other question. Should Cleveland ever get fewer than 10 points from anybody? They're so bad.

But this is it. This is Don Julio should go in the locker room and say, this is your only chance. Did you look at their schedule? This is it. The Browns could sneak up on the Ravens on three days rest. This is their only chance to win. I'm saying it right now. Alright, I'm gonna look at their schedule. After

this, home for Pittsburgh, home for the Giants, bye week. Home for Cincy. At Buffalo. Nope. Home for San Diego at Pittsburgh. This is it. Nah, Eli could throw them five picks. There's no Jacksonville.

There's no San Francisco on the slate. This is it. Baltimore beat them 25-20 in week two. This is a revenge game. This is their only shot. Here's Baltimore's scoring output by the week. 13, 25, 19, 27, 10, 23. Bingo.

16, 21. So how are they giving 10 points? They literally have not scored 28 points in a game this year. You can't. What would you make? You would make it eight? Seven or eight? Oh, and nine.

I like the Browns. I like them here, too. I would never ever. Your team's just really good. I would never recommend anyone putting any kind of real money on them. But I think the Baltimore's old. The three days rest is not good for a team like that. They got a 95-yard TD and a black field goal

and still barely won. So instead of awards this year, they have all these stupid awards, like somehow the offensive award is different than MVP and all these different things. I think we should just give thanks. Not you and I, just the NFL should just thank certain people for saving this, for being

one of the, for being the least entertaining season they've ever had. One of the first people I would thank is Ezekiel Elliott. Right. Really fun to watch him. Right. I have no skin in the game. I didn't bet on that game yesterday. I kept flicking back.

Good for you. He's on my fantasy team. Yeah. But just fun to watch him. Yeah. He'll go on these sweeps sometimes and somebody will have the angle and he'll do this like subtle stiff arm and all of a sudden he's just going by him yeah and he carries piles too like he'll run up the gut too and you know

it'll look like he'll get stuck for three yards and he'll carry it five more yards i like what they did yesterday where he just could have rushed for 220 yards and they were just like, 18 carries, go. Sit down, have a breather. Who would you bet for offensive rookie? I mean, we already bet on Elliott, but should we be worried about Dak Prescott? I don't think so. And I think Carson Wentz is out of it now. Dak's not going to have a job for much

longer. You want to talk about Romo at all or no? How are you feeling this week? You know what? I'm on everyone's side now. There's no way. You're on everyone's side. I am. I watched the game yesterday. There's no way. You're on everyone's side. I am. I watched the game yesterday. There's no way Tony Romo out slings Cody Kessler. The Cowboys gave up 10 points defensively. That's just another game Romo would have lost. Guys wide open in the end zone have like 40 yards in between them.

Everyone's right. Another game Romo would have lost. Wow. People are crazy. The only Cowboy fan is mad during the Super Bowl lost. Wow. People are crazy. He's the only Cowboy fan who's mad during the Super Bowl celebration. I'm getting so... We would have also won this with Romo! So little enjoyment out of this.

There should be some sort of t-shirt that you could buy and sell. Lady Gaga's halftime performance. You don't think Romo could have done that? Costume changes, who cares? It's the new Romo could have done it t-shirt line. Oh, man. Only for Cousin Sal.

Good Lord. Okay, Sunday games. Houston at Jacksonville. Such a great one. Yeah. Wish they could do it twice. Let's move on. I had the Texans by three and a half.

I think I hit it exactly. You're going to get it. No, I had it by four. It's only one and a half. No, really? So stupid. Yeah. Wow. One and a half. I think I hit it exactly. You're going to get it. No, I had it by four. It's only one and a half. No, really? So stupid. Yeah. Wow.

One and a half. Two and six Jaguars who maybe could have won yesterday actually, but we fumbled the goal line. I kept starting TJ Yeldon who would just have five carries and then never be seen again.

And yesterday he finally got to double digit fantasy points on my bench. I started that guy, Paul Perkins in in the Giants, so I picked up. That's on your team. Every time they handed it off to him, he got tackled three yards behind the line of scrimmage. I was like, is he going to get negative points? I could have started a dead person and gotten zero points.

But he finally got to like 4.7. Thanks, Paul Perkins. I think they have like three straight games without 50 yards of Giants or something crazy. Yeah, you can't even blame the running backs. Talk about a team that's winning without a running back. It's very strange. It's ridiculous. How are they 5-3?

How is any of these records possible? Chicago at Tampa Bay. These records, I believe and six and three and five bears coming off a pretty impressive one i had the bucks by three uh you're gonna get it i said four and a half only one and a half bears are slightly better i watched uh bucks falcons on thursday night with house house was over right jamis just isn't good yeah maybe he'll be good someday but right now he's just not he's not accurate that one he misses guys by five yards right but evans had a monster game that one play i don't know who lit him up but the one-handed catch yeah and then he

gets lit up on the sideline like if i had like a relative coming in from croatia i'd never watched football before and i'd have shown one play that that would be the play i was like this is it this is football is great this is why it's the best that's it jamis and tate you in on jamis are you out no tate's out okay really yeah fourth best quarterback in their division wow he's certainly the least accurate well it's not ryan Ryan. Yeah, Breeze. I thought it was going to be... Four-game quarterback. Oh, yeah. Oh, I see.

That was my biggest miss heading into the season. I was all in on skinny James. We always want Tampa. We always like Tampa. No, I have some sort of fixation with Tampa. They do a ton in free agency. I got to get over it. They swing for the fences.

I love the idea of James being good, and I was forced to confront the reality that you cannot complete a 15-yard pass. Denver at New Orleans. Very losable game for Denver. I have Denver by three, but I don't recommend that at all. I said Denver by two. New Orleans is favored by one and a half.

What an entitlement on Denver. Wow. That was like the second best team in the league. Is it your boy against Breeze for MVP? Settle down. The Saints are like far and far. He puts up huge numbers. If they win the division—

Where are Matt Ryan and Derek Carr in this whole thing? No, I know. But, well, that's it. I mean, if the Saints win the division, he's MVP, isn't he? No. No? Stop it. That's a big upset if they win the division played a bunch of

i guess they have played some good they go 10 and 6 because you'll have to go 10 and 6 and win that division they have they have put up uh 34 35 41 21 25 41 yeah last few weeks all they do is score denver cannot score. Right. Do you like Simeon? Well, we discussed about Simeon. Is he the guy, if they're down 10, do they have a chance? And then a bunch of people emailed me or texted me that, actually, we've been down twice this year. Against Carolina.

They were. Week one, we were down by 10. Yeah, I don't really count that. But, well, I think the Simeon we saw yesterday is more what we're getting. He's fine. He's fine. Carson Wentz is fine. He's perfectly mediocre.

They're fine. Carson Wentz has the issue of every pass he throws is a little too high. Yeah. And at some point, somebody's just going to get annihilated. I'd be so scared if I was a receiver on that team. Right. I'd be like, all right, so Aguilar, you're going to cut in and go over the middle, and I'll hit you.

I'd be like, oh, my God. Yeah. I'm saying goodbye to all my family members. Somebody else. All right, Green Bay at Tennessee. Wow. Four and four against four and five. Relax.

They were so bad. That looked like a team that quit on its coach yesterday a little bit. Green Bay? Yeah. We should have known. You know, you can bet these games live now when the colts ran the kickoff opening kickoff back for a touchdown and then you see aaron rogers and you could just see it in his eyes it's like all right let's the colts were two to one odd still um at that point we should have

jumped on them it's like packers don't have it certainly not your grandfather's packers that won at lambo all the time i wonder if his brothers brothers put on a little juju curse on him or something. Something weird. He just seems miserable and the team seems miserable. It does not seem like. It's definitely not. Remember a few weeks ago? Yeah.

Maybe you played the Skins. Right. There was a play on the side. And I said to you, I like your team. That whole sideline was locked in. Everybody's jumping. And you made a play and everybody went crazy. on the side. And I said to you, like, I like your team. That whole sideline was locked in. Everybody's jumping. And, like, you made a play, and everybody went crazy. Just the opposite.

Packers seemed dead. Can't run the ball. It's not a lot of fun. And here's after this game, three in a row on the road. Well, actually, including this game. At Tennessee, at Washington, at Philly. I don't know who wins that division. Could that be an 8-8 division?

Which one? NFC North? The North? Feels like 9-7 is going to be good enough. Jeez, what happened? Remember when what was the year Jonas Gray ran for 200 yards and Niall Davis came in for two weeks and we were like, wow, there's so many running backs. This is

unbelievable. Now it's like we don't have enough running backs. Now we can't get to 32. Pick one up in the sixth round it doesn't matter i had three for this green bay favorite by three i had three as well it's two and a half so um i feel bad for mariotta i can't tell if he's good at football or not but i can tell you that his receivers aren't very good and his coaching staff isn't very good and but like that interception for the the game section touchdown yeah that was just horrible it is weird it's a horrible pass he'll throw really bad pick sixes but then also he'll take you down the field in a minute and a

half yeah right now it's very strange how he does it too early to write him off i would like to see him with a good coach would be nice um minnesota he's not one of the guys you would thank if you were Roger Goodell? No. I wouldn't thank the quarterback class of Winston and Mariota. Minnesota at Washington. I had skins by three, and I circled this one. This seems – I just think that they're better. We tied here.

I said three also, and it is three. And Al, I just think they're better. We tied here. I said three also, and it is three. And Al, I just think they're better. I just think they're a better football team, Al. Washington's better, yeah. They were off, right? So they'll have two weeks. I don't know how Minnesota gets the 20 points with that offense. So basically you get the 20 points, you win.

That's how you have to look at it. Or they have to get special teams, or they've got to get defensive touchdowns, something. But they're get the 20 points, you win. That's how you have to look at it. Or they have to get special teams, or they got to get defensive touchdowns, something. But they're not getting 20 points offensively. Not from their kicker, they're not. That's for sure. So they gave up their unprotected first, right? Right. For the whole Bradford deal?

So if they finish like 7-9, 8-8, that could be like the 15th pick. Yeah, that's pretty good. It'd be nice. I still think they'll get to it. It's a nice chip. I guess, actually, yeah. 8-8's not out of the realm for them. Hey, Sal, if you can't score points

in the National Football League... You can't win? It stands for not for long. What do we think of Berman this week? It's always incredible. What was he this week? It's always incredible. It's always incredible. Outside. Was he outside Wrigley?

Where were they set up? Oh, that's crazy. What's he doing? I was like, oh, that's my father. If we asked my father,

I can't give us 30 seconds on anything. That's what he would do. See, I don't think they should, they should be kind of pushing him out. I think he's hitting his stride now. I had the same reaction. It's like he's now America's uncle or America's dad.

Just keep him out there and have him be crazy. I love the Monday night thing. What do you mean? Him with the hand-picked guest every week is just the best. This week? Who is it this week? I have a guy who finished undefeated. He's now 92 years old.

He's eating with tapioca out of a carton. Don Shula. Next week, the great Super Dave Osborne. Vince Lombardi died 45 years ago, but he's here today. It's the best. I love the Berman farewell tour. I'm really going to miss him. I like the Blitz.

They should just have the Eagles. Herm Edwards is a bad fit for him, though. When the time comes, the Eagles, the band, the Eagles, who he references every week, should just come collectively, have pillows, and just suffocate him. That's it. Right there on set. I want more Berman. That's how we want to go.

NFL Network needs to hire him. We can't be done with Berman. Just put him in Hawaii. Have him do highlights from Hawaii. He'll come back. You're right. Who's better at doing the highlights? He's not done.

Yeah. He's the perfect mix of he's exciting, self-parody. It's like everything I want at 1130 at night. He's getting interesting. Tate, where does your generation stand on Berman? I don't even know if most people. He's not on the radar? I think they'd be confused by what he was saying.

He's getting a little peculiar to look at, though. They need a little, I don't know. Well, you know, he's old. I know. Old people, they get, you know. Kansas City of Carolina. I say keep Berman on. Kansas City of Carolina.

I don't feel like the panthers answered any of the questions i had in their terrible 13 and 10 uh winning against the rams i have the panthers by one over the chiefs probably wrong we both had one and if this doesn't prove uh that vegas doesn't look at record um nothing does carolina by three oh that's three and five, Kansas City six and two. Is that a Nick Foles thing? I think Smith says... Won't Smith be back by then? I think he's coming back, yeah.

I don't agree with that. I mean, this is your either-or theory, though, right? I mean, I think they look more at either-or records than actual record. But I would argue it's been a deceiving... Let's look at this. Hold on. Kansas City's won 17 of their last 20 games.

I saw that. Unreal. Carolina. They're 3-5. 3-2 with three of their war games. They beat the Cards in Week 8. They barely beat the Rams. They lost to the Bucs on Monday night, 17-14,

and they had a shootout with the Saints that they lost. Well, what if they had beaten Denver week one? I don't get this line. Right, though? Aren't they right in it if they had beaten Denver? They're 4-4? Yeah. I just don't see the line.

I just think Kansas City's better. It's a strange one. We're going to have to look at this one. Maybe that's a stay away. Yeah. Kansas City didn't take care of business really i guess they did yeah it was 19-7 the jags got a late stupid touchdown rams at jets now this jeff fisher this jeff fisher or something else wow wow were you watching what he did yesterday against the Panthers? Of course. Down 10, fourth down at the 10. You have to score twice.

Yeah. He goes for it. Yeah. He goes for it. He crushes everybody's spirit. Everybody who lost on the Steelers early doubled up on the Panthers late, minus three. 13-10. And they get it.

Instead of 13-6, they got it. The funnier part was that, I don't they were at like what the 30 or the 25 he kicked the field goal tried to get the ball back and they're just chewing up clock trying to get this touchdown by the time they actually got it

there was like 40 seconds left right but he should just kneel and go I mean how much screaming about golf can you take

like just let the clock run out run off the field what disaster kneel that would have been controversial they covered though How Goff can you take? Just let the clock run out and run off the field. Disaster. That would have been controversial. They covered, though. You left out that part. Well, they pushed, I thought.

It was three, right? It was three and a half for most of the week. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. Either way, it killed everyone who doubled up on the Panthers. I know everyone's asking this today, but I'm going to ask you. How bad is Jared Goff that he can't play? It must be...

What are they hiding with this? I have no idea. I don't even think you would start him in your fantasy lineup. Jared Goff? It's gotten that bad. Who's Kaepernick play this week? Do I get to start him again? He plays... He's at Arizona. He'll put up some

points in that. You're 4-6. Congratulations. That'll be great. There you go. What do you have for this? LA at New York Jets? I have just shoot me. Jets by three. Shoot me is right on. I had four, and it is three.

You got it exactly. That's a terrible game. Why are the Jets sticking with Fitzpatrick? Because everybody has a chance to make the playoffs? That's got to be enough, right? They have three wins. Petty. They could be four

and six after this one. They have had six games on the road. That's rough in the first eight or nine. Rams, bye week,

home for the Pats, home for Indy, at San Francisco, home for Miami, at the Pats, home for Buffalo. They're not making the playoffs. Start the other guy.

What's that guy's name? Petty. Petty. Start Petty. Don't be Petty. Start the race car driver, Petty. Who cares at this point? Atlanta at Philly.

Atlanta at Philly. This will be the last one, and then we're going to take a quick break. Yeah. I have the Falcons by three. All right. I had the Falcons by one and a half. It's Philly by one. I don't agree.

I just don't agree with that. That's close. I'm not buying into Philly. They're four and four. They're not, you know, they're middle of the road, I think, right now. But wait, before you move on. No, I have some Philly thoughts. Well, okay.

I don't want to move on from Philly. Well, these eight early games. Did you see the spreads? Did I have some Philly thoughts. Well, okay. I don't want to move on from Philly yet. Well, these eight early games. Did you see the spreads? Did you write them down? Yeah. One and a half, one and a half, one and a half, two and a half, three, three, three, one. It's because all these teams are roughly the same. But not more than a field goal?

We've never seen a slate like that with a field goal or less in every game. The football outsiders, guys, have done a good job of breaking down how, like with their DVOA, just how ridiculous this whole thing is. Just the fact that the Eagles were number one in DVOA last week. All these teams are relatively within each other. I want to pay a special homage to the McAdoo-Peterson coaching matchup yesterday. It's really one for the ages. You like that?

So many perplexing calls on both sides that I don't even know who was worse. Right. The Eagles definitely, I mean, I know Buck and Aikman went crazy about those two fourth down calls, which were inexplicable, but there was other stuff going on in that game too. Oh, they went for it, right? Like Sproles takes them to the kind of steps out of bounds right and then they're down by the goal line and they they just went and missed right

these teams that don't have power backs but yet run power back running plays i i'm always perplexed by everything about it was strange i feel like every goal line play i root for goes the other way like if i need a guy to score it's just I'm two for 30 on the day. Really bad. Yeah. And what's funny is you might have two playoff teams besides the Cowboys come out of the NFC East.

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What did we think was the best early game? Well, I guess it's Denver-New Orleans. Minnesota-Washington. I mean,'s three games there's three different games panthers eagles i'm sorry falcons eagles panthers chiefs and and skins vikings that yeah are basically let's see what these teams got and then packers titans that's the titans last chance to win the division right yeah and denver new orleans you didn't say denver new orleans oh yeah that's on there. Yeah, that's actually a pretty good slate. Yeah, it's pretty good.

I just, you know, not good for our, we like the teaser games, and there's not one in there. Did you see in Peter King's column, they said the Browns passed on Dak Prescott nine different times? Nine times. Eight different times. That's unbelievable. How did they do it?

I don't know. They should fly a banner and it says that in front of crazy they're so bad um i i hope our our boy uh lombardi isn't mad at me today because why well he we were having fun on twitter i know but but we're having fun on twitter and he says uh he met we throw goodfellas references at each other all the time he's like cousin sal it's time to get on the payphone outside the diner in Queens. I'm sorry, Tony Rommel's a backup and that's that. Oh no.

And I said, this Cleveland secondary is atrocious. Whoever drafted them ought to be ashamed of themselves. Oh no. He's like, I was fired long before that group came in. He loves it. I love that guy. He definitely was not responsible for the Justin Gilbert pick. No.

The draft that they botched that was the historically bad draft was the draft like two months after they got rid of him and they were like

Ray Farmer right this guy he's the next up and coming dude and he had he had one of the five worst drafts

of this century yeah anyway yep really bad Miami at San Lombardi should just walk around with Trent Richardson all the time, right?

He got a first-round pick for Trent Richardson. That should be his valet. Miami at San Diego. That'd be cool. That'd be a nice ending for those guys. I had the Chargers by four over the Dolphins. Yeah, you hit it exactly. I said three.

And traditionally, I always get this game wrong. But it could be good. I had a lot of uniform issues with Chargers-Titans. Chargers-Titans? I don't know whether I'm just old. Really? Last week. Or yesterday. One was blue, the other was white and blue,

and it was like both teams looked like that. I never knew who was who. Wow, you did email a damage check this week. I didn't even email about that. The uniforms are too close. The Titans should have, or the Chargers should have worn their dark blue.

Right. They were wearing the light blue, which is what the Titans were wearing. It was too close. I was very confused. All right. Well,

you just should have known the Titans were the team that kept throwing the pick sixes. That's the only way to figure it out. That's how I ended up figuring it out. Let me just see what the score is at three it's me killing you again we all have the ties seven six you oh it's over all right san francisco at arizona it's done i went too low in this

cardinals by eight we were both we both went eight and we were both off by five points 13 oh no arizona that's a mistake so if you feel the same way about baltimore collusion that's how you feel here right like arizona shouldn't give anyone 13 it's funny anytime we're that many points off it seems like we should bet the team that right the other way yeah but i'm not betting on san francisco no no let that one go it's your quarterback you can't go against him actually that's my man. They already won by 12. They played October 6, Arizona. I support Kaepernick's right to exert his free speech and to put up fantasy points for

There you go. Meanwhile, what are we looking at with Kelly being fired first? Because McCoy and Caldwell are out. You give those guys five-year extensions at this point. Caldwell's definitely not. Nothing's happening to him. No. Mike McCarthy still looming as a sleeper really like what if the packers lose this week what if they lose in tennessee and it's like an ugly 30 to 10 game i was hoping there'd be odds but it doesn't seem like they're for uh first coach fired

i heard i heard that uh mccarthy calls first and second plays, and Rodgers is in charge of the third down plays. And if you watch the Packers game carefully, their third down plays are always better than the first and second down plays. Watch that for the next game. They used to not ever get the third down. Dallas at Pittsburgh. Oh, my God. This is the game of the day.

Jackie Smith, where is he? Him and Bartman. Jackie Smith of 1978 jackie smith he's definitely showing that this week oh yeah meanwhile that wasn't that in the third quarter that play i'm almost positive that play was in the third quarter he got knocked over and they lost by four but he was one of the first unfair goats yeah like if today if this was today we would show 15 highlights from that game, and that would just be one of them where the Cowboys grew up. I think their secondary was a bigger goat because they kept giving up long passes

to Vince One and John Stallworth. I think Cowboys by one and a half point favorites in Pittsburgh. Wow. Congratulations. I thought you were favorites. Well, you went a little quick. You're just doing that for show. No.

And you may have cost yourself a week showing really like that uh i said pittsburgh by three it's pittsburgh by two and a half i first of all there's a couple things i resent about your statement i would never make a pick for show all right i thought pittsburgh looked reprehensible last week yeah and i think the Cowboys are better. And why wouldn't they want to go into Pittsburgh and win this game? Roethlisberger didn't look healthy to me. No, I think they want to. I think they want to.

I think you have a better team. You should be favored. All right. What about the kicker? Pittsburgh's kicker. Another great one. Almost tore his ACL delivering an onside kick. He did it in college, though.

Did you see the clip from college? Yeah, the backwards. Yeah, the thing is, if you're wrong, it's just a globetrotter moment. It's really bad if you get it wrong. I think it's going to make teams more hesitant to hire away field goal kickers. That's how this is going to play out. By the way, if I'm Hugh Jackson or a coach like that, I go for it on fourth down until I'm fired,

which is going to be about six weeks from now anyway. They had a kick that hit the goal post, then we're out of it from from there on these teams that get super cautious when they're horrendous yeah it's really you know del rio arguably is the number two coach of the year other than belichick partly because they went for it in that first game it set the attitude for that's true you're right i have a del rio comment by the way good you're my only outlet for this because i don't know when else i would have a conversation about jack del rio he's obviously a pretty good coach right and he had some success in jacksville they he made the playoffs twice they won that they won i remember a saturday night game in pittsburgh with david david gerrard teams are always competent he's a little jeff fishery we're near the end he was

always like eight and eight seven and nine9, 9-7, whatever. But I went back and I was like, did this guy ever have a good quarterback? And I went through all the seasons he had, and the answer was no. He didn't. I mean, his last year was Blaine Gabbert's first year, and they didn't do well, and he got fired during the first season. It turns out Blaine Gabbert's terrible. So he's underrated, you would say.

Gerrard was the best in that division probably for a while. Was Gerrard? Like he's underrated you would say garard was the best in that division probably for a while was garard like he had that one year right he was great maybe two good years yeah but he was never like somebody who would have started on a fantasy team you would have but no i would have normally i would have happily taken yeah but underrated coach i agree with you i i do think we underestimate these coaches that get saddled with shitty qbs or mediocre qbs or whatever makes it really hard that's why like um jeff fisher actually had qbs yeah he had dudes that were half decent i don't know right i'm with you i know you're trying to say something nice i am i'm you know what i thought i feel good about saying

something nice about a coach once. That's true. I think Del Rio probably, he didn't coach from 11 to 15. And those four years, he was probably like, Jack, you think you're going to be a head coach again? He's like, David Garrard and Blaine Gabbert as my quarterbacks. I would hope I could. Yeah, sure.

He was in the war for those four years. He couldn't go. All right, Sunday night. Actually, there are like six good games. Who knows how it'll turn out? Seattle at New England. That's Sunday night. Yep.

Had the Pats by seven. Hold on. Three, four, five, six. Okay, we're tied. We're tied. You have seven. I said six. Seven and a half.

You said six, huh? You get that, Simmons. Yeah, I don't know why. That was dumb of me. Can I change it? It's too late, right? I'm excited. Cross country, short week, New England off a bye.

I'm excited for a lot of things about this game, but most of all, I'm excited for Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth to talk about how great the Malcolm Butler interception was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You think that'll come up? I'd also like to Michaels and Chris Collinsworth to talk about how great the Malcolm Butler interception was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You think that'll come up? I'd also like to finally forgive Chris Collinsworth for 10 minutes to go in that Super Bowl, bringing up Deflategate and Tom Brady looking him in the eyes and all the stuff that happened that's

now in that tape forever when people 50 years from now will be like, what the hell is Collinsworth talking about? Well, why do you want to forgive him? Let's see if he makes it up to you this Sunday night. Yeah, he should make it up to me this Sunday night. Seven and a half. That feels teasy. Unfortunately, unless we tease it with the Ravens, what are we going to do?

All these spreads are three. Cards? Oh, yeah. Well, that's... A 13, though. Jesus. I'm not teasing anybody. All right, Monday night, I need this to tie. Are you picking the Pats and Cousins, that sure thing, or the Seahawks? Nothing's a sure thing. What do you think?

I don't like these night games. I don't like the new Monday Sal where he can't tip off any of his picks because everybody might be a pick. I definitely like the Patriots here. I definitely like them, but I would love to have teased them with somebody. Cincinnati at the Giants, I need this to beat you. That's a horrible game it's not happening though

I said three I said three as well spread is three and you said three as well so freaking Simmons wins again four I'm undefeated since we moved to

I wasn't going to beat you I couldn't let you lose this week oh thanks way too sad the bye weeks this week are Buffalo Detroit

Indy and Oakland Giants Bengals which quarterback if quarterback at gunpoint would you pick to just take a giant shit during this game? Because one of them will. Yeah. I'll say Eli. I think he's due.

Eli's due. He kind of wanted to do it yesterday against the Eagles, but guys were just wide open for three straight quarters. Were you watching how the slow motion replays, like the the subtle digs they had at jpp they showed the one the pass and he almost blocked but couldn't bug he almost in there i didn't see that it's like he got a fingertip on but it wouldn't say anything more than that it's like oh no one wants to pull the trigger on this but they'll show the highway three

i bet brad had some thoughts he did a little few crazy thoughts. Seven sun-kissed in. Seven sun-kissed in? Yeah. So you win. You win again. All right. 4-4-2 after 10 weeks. So we bet, before the year, we bet on the Raiders over. We did?

Oh, good. Yeah. But we also bet on the Bucs. Oh, yeah. That was like seven. And the Raiders were eight and a half. And I guess the big one we had, the Pats afc east that's like pretty much a wrap well we have that with hillary clinton hillary clinton yeah so next time we talk we'll know whether we won that one yeah it's really minus 550 that makes me feel better about the future of the country

it is 550 and you could bet the individual states maybe we'll talk about that too so there's some lock states and i still feel like i i don't feel like these polls totally reflect what's going to happen well the one thing is latino turnout early turnout is like 130 of what it was four years ago yeah yeah i don't think that favors trump probably not how about how about the old cranky white guy turnout is that up the last that's that's through the roof month uh what do you got to pluck all right cousin sal sure thing i was one and two last week on facebook uh this week we'll have a thousand dollar prop bet a 500 lineup challenge for fantasy i'm giving

money away that i don't even have bill Bill. And on Jimmy Kimmel Live, Chris Bryant, world champion Cubs, is on tonight with Carol Burnett. Huge favorite in The Office. Is it? Yeah. In the Ringer office,

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Well, this was pre-taped. I can't tell you. But listen, if Trump wins, come back and write with Kimmel. Me, you, and Emmerman will have an office as a desk. Look, Tate just freaked out. He's like, I need to stay employed. Just come back. Come back.

If Trump wins, the show will write itself. We'll just have fun. Maybe I'll come back on Thursdays yeah come back on Thursdays we'll play Journey before we go into the meeting remember we used to pump that what was it

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