The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 143: Squashing the Beef With Cris Collinsworth and NOLA Sports With Micah Peters

Episode Date: November 16, 2016

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on NBC's Cris Collinsworth to squash their social media beef and discuss TV critiques (4:00), Al Michaels's new TV schedule (11:00), Green Bay's struggles (16:30), calling two NFL games in one week (21:00), and Collinsworth’s worst NFL loss (27:00). Then, The Ringer's Micah Peters joins to discuss U.S. soccer prodigy Christian Pulisic (35:00), Micah’s beloved Saints stealing the NFC South (46:00), Pelicans star Anthony Davis (52:00), and the highlights of FX's 'Atlanta' (59:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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All right, welcome to BS Podcast. We have Micah Peters coming up a little bit later right now from NBC, Pro Football Focus. Chris Collinsworth. We feuded this week, but we've already solved that. Now we're going to do a podcast. How are you? Good, man. I'm good. How are you doing? I'm good. You know, I'm really bad at apologies.

I'm just really bad at them. My wife has told me I'm really bad at apologies, so I'll start with that um but when you get to be 57 years old you start feeling like you're in training to apologize all the time for everything yeah so you know you and i've had a few pokes here and there right you take a few shots i'll take well you know we have a little fun nobody ever gets too mad and yeah this one this one went nuclear like overnight oh my god my phone didn't stop ringing i had the new york times i had the dmz i had the national inquiry i was like what the heck just happened i was just poking some fun of my guys so anyway so i humbly apologize i look forward to the podcast, and I will never, ever, ever, ever duel with you again.

This is too dangerous. We didn't duel. It was a one-sided duel. I actually thought it was a really good dig. I didn't know if you were mad at me for something else because the impetus to the dig was me tweeting that you kept crediting the Seahawks offensive line for such good protection. And my point was the Pats front seven has been terrible the whole season. And I didn't think you were reflecting that. So that's what I did in my tweet.

Now, should I be tweeting about what you should be saying? I don't know. And should you come back to me? Yeah, probably. You know, I mean, you've gotten this before. You know, guys have laid out stuff in front of me before. Yeah. And I go, you know what?

I don't care. I go, I'm a critic. That's my job. My job is to critique people. So Bill gets paid money to critique what I do. I don't care. I really don't. Like on Twitter, oh, my God.

Now, I can't imagine what yours is like because, you know, nobody follows me. I'm an old, boring guy. But, you know, so I'll read them sometimes, and I go, they want me to do things to myself that really aren't humanly possible. I'm like, I don't really think that's possible. And every once in a while I'll let people read my Twitter account because after a game, you know, I am one big piñata. Everybody, you know, I'm sure the Seattle fans all thought I was completely biased

in favor of New England. The New England fans always think I'm completely biased in front of Seattle. And I just go, you know what, I still like my job. I still want to do this. you know what i still like my job i still want to do this you know i i still like this that's just part of the price of admission for what i do and it's all good and you know so anyway yeah but here's the only thing i don't get you and michaels are my favorite broadcast team which i've said over and over again i was and michaels is like the uncle the 73 year old uncle i never had even though i have my uncle ricky but uh i i always felt like when i complain about something during the broadcast i had already established the pre-existing love for the broadcast the only time you made me mad like genuinely mad was during the

uh during the super bowl with the brady stuff during the fourth quarter when you said, when you talked about how you asked him if it was true that a flake ate and you brought it up at the worst possible time of the game. That was the only time I ever got mad, but that's because I'm an irrational Patriots fan, which you get, right? Yeah, well, there's a lot of those. Yeah. It's no big deal. But here's the flip side of that. Yeah. That if at no point during the Super Bowl broadcast, we bring up the elephant in the room. Yeah. Right.

So then I go over to ESPN and I've got some business I've got to do with ESPN. And they're all great people over there. And a couple of them came up and said, you know what you did in the Super Bowl? And I was like, oh, boy, here we go again. He said, you brought up, Seth Markman, I think it is, who's their producer. He said, I used it in our meetings. I used it because you took out the elephant in the room. If you didn't bring it up at any point during that Super Bowl broadcast,

I would have considered that a failed broadcast because you have to – everybody in America was thinking the same thing. What's going on? This guy's playing with this thing hanging over his head. So we made the decision at some point in the broadcast we were going to bring it up, I was going to say what I thought, and we were going to get on with the game. So, you know, I mean, that's a decision that's made way above and with me, and that's how we decided to do it. I get it. I get it.

There have been other things. We all have our moments. The President of the United States doesn't always do three hours, or in my case now, six hours of live television every week. There's always going to be something, brother. Always going to be something. I totally agree that you should have brought it up. I think for me it was just the timing and the fact that I was so stressed out about the game

because I think we were down 10 at that point. I was like, oh God, now DeFleckade's coming to this. But I do think it's amazing to me how much heat announcers take. And I felt a little bit when I did NBA Countdown for two years for ESPN, where it's just like when people watch sports on TV, they have proprietary rights over everything that's happening on that TV,

and they think everybody's rooting against them. I remember I did a Miami, Indiana series. I can't remember if it was 2013 or 2014. And both fan bases were convinced I hated their team. Every game for me. Every game. I was like, how can I hate both teams? Yeah, what do you think?

I'm rooting for like a meteor to hit the arena and wipe out both teams? Like, it's not possible. All right, so before the Super Bowl, I'm kind of walking out and I'm having dinner with my family. So I'm walking out of this restaurant and I with my family. So I'm walking out of this restaurant and I'm the last one. I escort my family out of this restaurant. The next day

is the Super Bowl. So I'm already a little antsy. So I'm already on pins and needles a little bit. So there's a table there. It's the Giants and the Patriots. And the table right before I get out the door, which I've almost made it out. A couple of people made a couple of nice comments, whatever. And then right before I get out the door, which I've almost made it out, a couple of people, you know, made a couple of nice comments, whatever.

And then right before I get out the door, you know, this guy turns around and he's got a Giants hat on. And, you know, it's always the same thing. You know, I always get the same questions. People always say, why do you hate the fill in the blank of their favorite team? And, you know, whatever it is. So in this case, you know, and I always give the same answer. You know, I don't hate your team. I love this team.

I really, you know, I think it's going to be fantastic. You know, and it's just my job is to critique them, and so I'm going to critique them, and that's my job. So I'm walking out, and this guy goes, hey, Collinsworth, which for me is a direct signal of what's about to come. And he says, Hey, Collinsworth, why do you hate the Giants so much? And I started to launch into my favorite answer one more time. And then I said, I walked out, and I said, You know, I don't know.

I just hate them. And I walked right and I said, you know, I don't know. I just hate them. And I walked right out the door, and it was the greatest moment of my entire life that I had finally just turned around on a guy, and then I said, you have got to be the biggest idiot on God's green earth. This is going to go immediately to Twitter, immediately around the globe, that I hate the Giants. They're going to take me off the broadcast. Oh, man. But it did feel good.

I got to say it did feel good. Well, you know, 10 years ago, I probably would have fired back on Twitter. But I'm 47 now. I've got kids that are, you know, can actually Google stuff. So I was like, I like Collinsworth. I love Michaels and Collinsworth together. Let's just have a podcast and talk it out. So that's it.

Yeah. But let's be real. Who called who? I did call you. You called me. I know. You did. I did.

I said, I go, okay, you know, I've got too much history with this guy. I'm calling my boy. I'm going, okay, I went too far. You got to agree with that. Put this genie back'm calling my boy. I'm going, okay, I went too far. Let's put this genie back in a bottle here. And then you said Kimmel suggested I come on the thing or whatever. He texted me immediately. He's like, just have him on the podcast. It'll be great. I'm like, you're right. We're coming back to Chris in one second. Quickly, stop wasting money on expensive takeout. You should sign up with Blue Apron. For less than $10 per meal,

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and then you're doing another game on Sunday, which I'm convinced is the NFL's quest to just kill Al Michaels. I don't know how he's going to do this. How is he going to do this? He's 73. How is he going to do Thursday? He's 73. How's he going to do Thursday and Sunday and remember 200 names? He's a maximum of 57. I know he's not older than 57, but I don't think he's doing Sunday. I don't think he is. So he's going to have a few

weeks off or a few games off, not weeks off, a few games off. And Mike Tirico is going to have a few weeks off or a few games off not weeks off a few games off and mike terrico is going to come in and and do a few of these games so i don't know exactly which game it is that he's not going to do but they're going to they're going to take care of my boy because we want him to be broadcasting at age 957 i i was saying to somebody the other day he's going to be our next vince scully there is no science no science you know i'll say this about him what nobody knows this guy gets up at 5 a.m every day and day trades he day trades every day i mean he could go on and do any show that you want any financial show he can rip through stocks and what's going on on the financial markets and he could he could easily do a politics he's all over he's pretty opinionated about it but he's all over it he has great fun

doing it but he doesn't forget anything yeah i mean his memory he can remember like pitch by pitch you go you ask him about the 75 world series game for the seventh inning and he'll go pitch by pitch. You ask him about the 75 World Series game for the seventh inning, and he'll go pitch by pitch. It's unbelievable. So all I do in our production meetings is I just spit out everything I know because I know I'm going to forget

it, and he's going to remember it. He'll bring it up, and then I'll remember it, and I'll tell it on the air. That's usually how it works. I guess I'll rephrase my question. How are you going to do two games on Thursday and Sunday? Because I know, you know, I'm not going to name names, but you can always tell the color guys that have kind of moved into that phase of their career where they wing it a little bit and you actually do a ton of homework for each game.

So how do you do two in a week? It's not easy. I'll say that. Usually on Monday and Tuesday, I try to watch all the film for all four teams. I never make it. I try to talk to all the offensive

and defensive coordinators for all those teams. I never make it. And inevitably, you can't remember which team you're talking about when you're talking to one of the coaches I mean you got them you got them so confused and twisted and screwed up in your head that you just kind of just kind of make up a conversation on the fly where usually

I wouldn't talk to them until Friday and I've seen two or three of their games on film I've studied it I've got all of it completely broken down. So it's much more difficult. It is much more difficult. But, you know, it's not the worst job in the world. I show up at stadiums for great games. I'll never forget the time that we were doing the Cowboys. And Jerry Jones, I'm looking across, literally right across the field.

This guy's just paid a billion and a half dollars or whatever for this stadium. And I'm looking directly across the field at him and his box. And I'm sitting in exactly this same spot on the other side of the field. He has paid about a billion five, we'll count whatever the team cost, two billion three billion whatever it may be for the right to sit in that stadium and in that box and they're going to pay me to sit in this one opposite that's not a bad deal so i gotta watch a little football during the week and read a few newspaper articles but i enjoy what i do well the best thing for you

this week is panther Saints will be really fun. That's basically a loser leaves town match. Whoever loses that game is out of the playoffs. Yeah. And then Sunday, Washington against Green Bay, and you just get to talk about Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy for three hours. You don't even have to memorize the players.

It's just a three-hour Aaron Rodgers. Is he still good? does he get along with the coach like you don't even need a plan b you know somehow i think we'll end up on a plan b but aaron rogers is pretty unique guy yeah i mean there aren't many guys that that are not only the best athlete maybe playing the game with his arm and mobility and all that, but he won Celebrity Jeopardy. I mean, this guy is off the charts kind of smart, right? Yeah.

And it's even happening to him. I mean, you look at what's going on with this team now, and they give up, what, 47 points in that game, and they're trying to figure out. But nobody ever says the Green Bay Packers are having problems. It's always, oh, boy, Aaron Rodgers has some real problems here. And they're not hitting the deep ball. And they're not doing some of the things that they've done in the past. And he has two offensive linemen that were hurt at the end of that game,

Bakhtiari and TJ Lang. And, you know, it's just going to be, I mean, they're four and five. They've lost three games in a row. And this is, everything's about the quarterback, right? If everything's about the quarterback, then Green Bay should be winning. So it's got to be something more than everything's about the quarterback. So it's going to be interesting to see what comes out of this one. I had Mike Lombardi on my podcast.

He comes on every Friday. We were talking about Green Bay last Friday before they got killed by Tennessee. And both of us were like, they're just not good. There is no relaxed situation coming where he says relax and they roll off the sixth game winning streak. They're just not good on either side of the football. They have a lot of holes. And it reminds me a little bit of one of those Favre seasons from the mid-2000s where they just didn't have it. I think they finished 4-12 or something. This team team's not that bad but they're not good either and i

don't see it turning around but they well you know the one thing i'll say is that they're doing this without clay matthews and without sam shield i can make a pretty strong argument that those were the two key components of that defense because Because with Shields, as long as you had somebody that could cover whoever the other team's best receiver was, you had a chance. And then you had Clay Matthews, who played a multitude of different positions. He played inside linebacker where they needed him. He's their best pass rusher. He's aggressive.

He takes calculated risks. He makes big plays. You know, and then they've got all those young guys playing back there in the secondary now. So, you know, there's more to it than that. But I never, ever, ever would count out Aaron Rodgers. I mean, going into this game, are you really going, oh, Washington's way better than Green Bay?

You know, even though it's sort of collapsing on them, you don't because they've got arguably, you know, the most talented guy in the league. Maybe not the best player in the league this year with some of the, you know, the issues they have. And I think he ranks last now, according to our PFF guys, in downfield throws and, you throws, deep throws 20 yards plus. How can that be?

How can that be? It's not even possible. And he's got Jordy Nelson back. It's all these different things. So I'm really looking forward to kind of digging in deep. And Aaron's pretty honest with us. He usually gives us a pretty good idea. Mike McCarthy, I like him, so we'll get a chance to talk to him.

So hopefully we'll have a few answers on sunday night the other thing with rogers is when it's not going well he's one of those not all qbs are like this some are he's one of those qbs that the body language and the facial expressions you can feel coming through the tv when he's not happy and it almost makes it kind of more fascinating when it's not going well, if that makes sense. Well, and, you know, Dan Marino was that way. Yes. You know, I think you just have to remember that a lot of these quarterbacks,

when they're hitting the prime of their career, which is between ages 32 and 38 now in the National Football League, you know, who are they hanging out with in the locker room? I mean, even Kenny Anderson, when I played with him, he was 33 or 34, and he used to hang out with, like, the equipment manager. You know, there's not the sort of, you know, the kids are off, all the rookies are off clubbing and doing all the fun stuff and hanging out with each other and partying.

And, you know, the quarterbacks you know going home to whatever and you know it's just it's a different world for those guys when they reach a certain age and they have to develop certain relationships and and it it creates for unusual circumstances and so when you see them get frustrated with the kids it's because they've been around it so long i mean we were talking with tom brady this past week and he said you know because in some ways it's not fair because in 38 years of age i've seen everything i mean i've seen everything that there is out here and i can imagine what you know rod woodson was thinking when i was playing against him when

i was a rookie and he was thinking i know everything and that quarterback doesn't know anything about what's going on in this league and you know so there is there's a difference but there's also the power of youth we see it every week that young kids and young bodies and young athletes can do things that their older partners can no longer do. Well, quickly, what you just described, I think, has to be a tiny part of this Romo Prescott thing. Romo's in his mid-30s. He vacations with the coach. Very tight with the Jones family.

And then you got Prescott, who's a kid. And as you know, like with these football teams now, with the way they changed the CBA, these locker rooms are so young. I mean, there's just – when did you retire? How long did you play for? What age did you retire? I played until I was 30, which was a long time. Right. You know, I mean, that was – 30 was sort of the great jumping off point

in the league, and now it's like they're just getting a better trainer and a new pharmacist at age 30, so I don't know. Well, then we had the glory days of last decade where these guys could play until 33, 34, but now with the CBA it's like you don't see those guys hanging off for the extra two years because you just replace them with some six-round pick who makes

400 grand or something. I think the one thing with Rodgers, which is what makes this game interesting, even though I don't think the Packers are very good, their division is just as bad as they are. And the reality is they could go 9-7. I mean, who knows? 8-8 with that division.

I'm not sold on Detroit. They pulled all those wins out of their butt for the most part. So you never know. I mean, even though it looks like everything's falling apart, they're still in striking distance, which is very strange. And the imbalance with the divisions is one of, one i think the weirdest thing about this season the afc west is loaded and you look at the the nfc north is like no comparison nfc east is all of a sudden went from worst to first so you know for whatever you want to do there's really, you can't adjust it. You can make a point that the AFC South has been not so good for a while.

Even the NFC South has been not so good for a while. But it all goes full circle. Eventually it does. It's a great league. No matter what anybody says, and I know the TV ratings have been down until this past week and all that kind of stuff, but it is people fighting their guts out that are physically beat to a pulp at this time of the year and still slugging it out. It's a struggle. It's bloody. It's hard. There's enough evidence to show that maybe nobody should be playing this game, you know, between the concussions and everything else. And yet there's a certain thing inside male and human beings, and I'm sure females as well, that you want to be challenged to the ultimate.

You want to put your body and mind to the test. And even though I'm sure it would have made a whole lot more sense to not have played football, I wouldn't have traded it for the world. I mean, I got challenged and was forced to do things and put my heart and soul into things. And, you know, we lost two Super Bowls and still haunts me to this day. But I wouldn't trade not a single minute of it.

I mean, you really, as a person, find out a little bit more of who you are and what you can do and what you might accomplish. What the heck, man? I enjoyed every minute of it.

You know, I've heard you say that before you're haunted by the two Super Bowl losses. Which one was worse? just out of curiosity? The first one. Okay. Because you were much closer in the first one. Well, it wasn't closer.

The second one was much closer. Wait a second. The first one I thought we gave away. Which one was John Taylor? John Taylor was the second one. That was 88 down in Miami. Oh, that was close, too. And I'm not so sure even though we

had the lead and you know we had we had a uh a kickoff return for a touchdown by stanford jennings the yards were pretty one-sided in their favor um but the the first game i really and they beat us in the regular season too in 81 so i shouldn say that. But that was the one I really thought we had a better team. We made so many mistakes, so many turnovers. One of them, mine, fumbled in the first half. All of that, of the two, there's no question which one haunts me the most. The San Diego game, if you guys were on a neutral field, who wins that one? I love that Chargers team.

Well, we beat them earlier that season in their play. So if you're looking for me to give an answer other than us, you've got a long way to go on that one. Well, I always thought I wish that San Diego team, I would have loved to have seen them not play in a game that decided their season. I mean, taking you guys out of it, it was just a fun team. It's too bad that that offense had to go through that. But on the other hand, that's football.

And in January, those weather games pop up. It derailed the Manning and the Colts a couple times, too. And you have to earn home field advantage, right? Yeah. We earned home field advantage that season. And they had to go down to miami and play that game and you know whatever they played 10 quarters down there and then come up and play us in the freezing cold so that's the way it goes sometimes but once you have the best record you have a few

advantages built into the system which which is part of the reason i think that the playoffs are and the nfl are fantastic I mean there are enough things built into that and home field advantage means enough to where you are incentivized to play to the last snap of the last game and I don't know that that's always true in all the other uh all the other leagues it definitely it killed the pats last year because that Sunday night game that you did against Denver if they just win that, they get home field. Then they blow the Miami game and the Jets game down the stretch. And then, of course, it comes down to playing at Denver.

And you're right. It's like it's these little moments. It's these little hiccups. And that's why even you look at Sunday night, the Pats blow that Seattle game. At the same time, Denver wins over New Orleans on a blocked PAT. And now I just know it's going to come down to the stretch and somehow that game, that whole day is going to come back to haunt the Pats. Last question.

There are some other teams in the AFC you better pay attention to. Oh, I'm paying attention. That Oakland team might all of a sudden pop up there and be something pretty good. I don't know if they're ready for New England just yet. And I think New England's still the team to beat. I really do. You know, Seattle was fantastic.

But I still do think that New England's going to be the team to beat, at least in the AFC. I want to see how Oakland handles this little Mexico trip. And if they come out of this okay, and they take care of business against a Texans team that is struggling throwing the ball and all the other issues they're having, even though they have six wins,

if they get through that one and handle business like they did in that Denver game, I'm going to be concerned. Is there one team that you think is kind of lingering that we're not mentioning? Everybody's like Pats, Cowboys, Seahawks. Chiefs are kind of lingering that we're not mentioning everybody's like pats cowboys seahawks chiefs are kind of on the outside is there another team that you see that you think is lingering the old lingering question you know the nice thing is that for a team like the falcons i think they're

always going to be able to score points you which is going to keep them interesting throughout. The Steelers are one of those teams that if they sneak into the playoffs, as the Bengals have found out too many years, once they get in, they're still Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers. I personally wouldn't want to play that team in a money game. And then the defensive teams are always dangerous. I don't know which ones of those end up finding a way into the playoffs here, but usually when I look good making Super Bowl picks, it's usually because I pick defensive

teams in the Super Bowl because everybody falls in love with offense. There are some teams out there that may not be the number one seed that could cause some damage. If a Baltimore team got in there, you know, if a Seattle team ends up being in the hunt. You know, there are just certain teams that defensively you know are going to be, you know, Denver may not win the division. They may be the third wildcard team the way this thing, or the second wildcard team the way it's going. But Denver and that defense can make some noise getting in the playoffs. So those are the kinds of teams that I usually keep my eye on as far as, let's not give up on Baltimore too soon just because they're not scoring any points. Yeah. Lombardi and I talked about him on Friday just about the fact that you can't

really throw the ball over their heads, which is a nice quality to have in December and January. Here's my lingering team. The Giants are very quietly six and three. And they have the Bears this week who are just completely self-destructing. And then they're at Cleveland, which means they're going to be eight and three,

barring one of those weird Eli games that happens once a year. And, you know, they can play a little defense. They can throw the ball a little. And nobody's talking about them. And I'm trying the ball a little, and nobody's talking about them. And I'm trying to figure out who's the nobody's talking about them team, and I keep coming back to them. And then you think about the Pats Giants trilogy,

which I predicted before the year, and it's at least in play. It's not inconceivable, right? It's not inconceivable. And they have the playmakers on offense, and Spagnuolo's done a nice job on the defensive side, sort of creating pressure, finding a way. Collins has done a good job on the back end. They've got a corner now that can play.

This team was a joke on defense a year ago. This season really does not start until Thanksgiving. It just doesn't. I mean, no matter, I don't know how many years I've done this, start paying attention at Thanksgiving. Because, you know, teams that are, two things, teams that can handle the cold weather, that can run the ball and play defense, you know, end up becoming

a factor. You know, they just do. And then somebody just gets hot. You know, somebody just kind of pieces it together because they don't, they have depth. You know, these teams that play well in the first two months of the year, a lot of times have spent a lot of money on their front-line players, and then a couple of those front-line players get hurt, and they don't have the depth. Whereas teams like New England, teams like Pittsburgh, there are certain teams that the depth of quality is more important than the high-end depth of quality is more important than the, you know,

the high-end guys of quality. And, you know, I'm totally convinced that that's the reason that Dallas and San Francisco swapped Super Bowls back and forth before there was a salary cap. Heck, Dallas and San Francisco had backup guys that could have whipped my Bengals team about half the time. You know, I mean, you know, when you have, you have the ability to plug in a backup guard or a backup, you know, three technique tackle or strong safety when other teams don't, sometimes those

holes can really be glaring and they do show up at the end of the year. Chris Collinsworth, I'm glad we made up. We can see you on Thursday night and on Sunday night on NBC. Don't be a stranger. Oh, and profootballfocus.com. Check it out as well. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. You got it, bud. Call me anytime. Alright, take care. Alright, quick break to talk

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it took you this long to invite me, but I don't think that we,. Well, now I have more podcasts because I don't have a TV show anymore. So now I'm able to have more podcasts and have more ringer staffers. I've been dying to have some of, we did Facebook Live, I think. Yes. We did something else. I was feeling like this was the right time for you to come on because as weird as this sounds, New Orleans feels topical to me. You have very hot opinions on Pulisic.

Did I say it right yet? Actually, I'm saying that there's on FIFA, the commentators will say Pulisic. But apparently the way that you're supposed to pronounce it is Pulisic. Pulisic? Pulisic. what did the announcer say in the game when they played mexico on friday because i was at a bar the the they called him pulisic they called him pulisic i was at a bar i was on a date with my wife and somehow found the only bar in the um century city mall that had a tv at the bread bar because we were going to see

moonlight which was excellent. Moonlight is fantastic. Go see that immediately. Let's talk about Moonlight. Hold on. 30 minutes. We watched the last 30 minutes of the game. We didn't mark their... Is that their best scorer

or one of their top two best scorers of Mexico? We didn't mark them on the corner kick. And it almost looked like a fluke play and then they showed the replay. It was like, oh, we just didn't mark the guy and that's why we lost usa soccer always disappointing oh yeah who's left in no man's land i was watching that and i was just like there's just i mean it was honestly like he couldn't make himself care or yeah i don't know it was it was it was very frustrating to watch well they because you know people are either casual soccer fans or they're really into it to give up the goal that they gave up at that moment

of the game is the equivalent of just giving somebody a wide open layup of basketball with four seconds left under the basket yeah there's somebody just nice little two-foot bounce pass and just lay it in and there's everybody's just standing there going why is it I thought you had that guy. You did? It was terrible. But however you pronounce the prodigy's name, can we just call him the prodigy? I don't want to mangle his name for the next 20 years. I miss M1 Mixtape, by the way. What happened?

You don't remember the professor? No, he was 47. You never watched M1 Mixtape. Of course you know the professor. I think that we should start calling Pulisic the professor. Can we call him the prodigy? What athlete's been the prodigy? We can call him the prodigy if you want. What was the analogy you used when we were emailing about him this weekend?

Oh, I was saying that. You had a couple. You double analogied me. Oh, yeah. I mean, oh, right. So I was talking about that video where it was this alligator crawling out of a swamp and a house, like a black house cat just like starts clawing at its nose and then it crawls back into the water.

Yeah. And I was just like, that's the way that Pulisic plays soccer. It's just like, there's, he has absolutely zero fear. He gives zero fucks. Yeah. He gives zero fucks. He's taking on three guys. He's in the corner. He gives zero fucks. Yeah. He gives zero fucks. He's taking on three guys. He's in the corner.

He's doing stuff. I've never been more excited about an American soccer player. I even liked when he came in this summer. I forget what game it was, and he played right forward near the end and was just kind of doing stuff for 10 minutes. It was one of those qualifiers. Yeah, or March, whenever that was in the spring. Yeah.

Number 10, are we okay with that number for him? I mean, I'm, are we okay with that number for him? I mean, I'm cool with whatever number. I just like to watch him. No, no. You, this is all really important. This is going to be the most,

the most worn American soccer jersey we've ever had. Nobody can pronounce his name. I want to at least make sure he has the right number. I think that it would be perfect if he was number 10 and like replaced the Donovan number 10 jersey.

Yeah, that's how I feel. Because I think that Donovan made his debut at 19 in 2001. And Pulisic is 18 and he has...

How many years older are you than him? I am seven years older than him. Yeah, think about that. Thank you for that. There's not enough Xanax in California to make me feel any better about that. But going into that game against Mexico, i think he had two goals on three starts yeah um i don't what position is he gonna end up at he just seems like he goes everywhere the thing is that like cleansman started him in a central role in that 3-4-2 like i mean the 3-4-3

excuse me playing like directly underneath uh josie altidore and Bobby Wood, which I mean, like he did a capably good job at that. But I think that he was his best when he drifted out to the flank in the second half and was able to take people on. And I think that's when he's at his best because I mean, like that was kind of like there was a Champions League match against Real Madrid in September.

Yeah. And he cut inside B2 players and played a ball to the back post to Andre Scherla, who tied the game up 2-2 at the death. Of course, we're going to ignore the fact that there was a kind deflection there that kind of helped things along. But he's at his best, I think, when he's out on the flank. I wonder if he could become our version of of messy where it's like nobody even really knows what position he is when they do the formations that it's like and there's messy he's in that

position don't draw an x where his name is i'm just very wary of making those kind of comparisons i feel like we're gonna do that thing that english english players do this all the time with their young stars or whatever and it's just like the future of american soccer is such a doomed like mantle i i think this is different my spidey senses and my four and a half decades of watching sports tells me that this feels slightly different i never felt landon Donovan was the future of U.S. soccer. Well, I mean, like, he never, the thing is that at this juncture, like at this stage of his career,

there is no precedent for Pulisic because, number one, you can, the club team that he plays for, Borussia Dortmund, Thomas Tuchel, already said that he counts him as a regular first team player. He is a regular first team player on one of the best like you you can count the number of teams better than Dortmund in the world like on one hand so what's the NBA equivalent if somebody was a senior in high school

playing for like the Oklahoma City Thunder right now sure why not okay it seems like an ad comparison yeah okay but um i mean like and landon donovan i guess played at byron leverkusen but i mean frankly dortmund is better and pulisic has already played in more games i really liked landon donovan but this feels different and i think it would be really cool. I've wanted my whole life for America to have a soccer player to see what would actually happen to soccer in this country. And I think soccer has made leaps and bounds over the last, I don't know, this century at least. But we still need the guy.

And we really want the guy. And when you see, you just look at what happened with golf with Tiger. He made people care about golf that never otherwise would have cared about Goff. And that's the difference. And that's what's at stake, in my opinion. Yeah. We'll see if he can do it. I think his last name, I just think, I don't remember.

I mean, I guess like Roethlisberger. We've had names in the past where it's like, what's that guy? How do you say that guy's name? And we all figure eventually I'd have to say it, but I like calling them the prodigy. I mean, you know, I don't know if we'll catch on.

I'm sure the soccer aficionado people will get mad at me. All right. We got to talk about some New Orleans stuff. Okay. What should we talk about? Let's talk about the saints. Okay. What do you want to talk about with the saints

i'm still not giving up on them i should mention you're from baton rouge i am from baton rouge i have been a saints fan for as long as i can remember my dad just told me that we were saints fans one day and that's just what that's just what it was you know um i still have a youth xl aaron brooks jersey somewhere in my apartment oh that's phenomenal yeah i also have a lot of jokes about how he was the real life willie beeman in my archives at esp.com wherever those live listen it was really like he was willie beeman for say what you will about aaron brooks he threw touchdown passes in high top air force ones right i'm just saying i this is really

gonna depress me but i i need to know the answer did you get the willie beeman joke yeah okay good all right good because i never know what your generation i'm not that young i've dropped some movies in the ringer office and people have just stared at me like like a chicken that's about the win was the last off. Fatal Attraction? What movie is that? Okay, yeah, that's fair. Dobbins suggested that I write a running series of movies from the 80s and 90s that I think all of our young people should watch. Like, have you seen Fatal Attraction?

It's the all-time I'm never going to cheat on who I'm dating movie that's ever been made. Joe Fuentes, have you seen it? Tate? Oh, Tate's seen it.'m dating movie that's ever been made. Joe Fuentes, have you seen it? Tate? Oh, Tate's seen it. Tate's an old soul. Tate's wearing a Mighty Ducks hat right now.

I'm actually kind of hating. I want that hat. Wait, why did this come up? I know this came up for a reason. Oh, Willie Beeman. All right. But anyway, the Saints. Yes.

You have a very fun team. The Saints and the Chargers are the most fun teams that are going to make the playoffs, but I actually think the Saints have a chance because 9-7 could get the wild card. It's conceivable. Fair. That's true. You're in a bad division. You have some division games left. Let's go through the schedule, shall we?

Okay. What are you, 4-5 or 4-6? 4-5. Okay. 4-5. Okay. Playing the Panthers on three days rests on thursday i think you win i think i think cam and the panthers the ship sailed on sunday okay well here's the thing all right so i know you don't play well there yeah well we we meet them in week six uh 41 3838 on a last-minute field goal. I feel like it's possible that that could happen again,

except for the fact that the Panthers' defense recently has kind of looked more like the defense that got them to the Super Bowl last year. Yes. Don't you think that had partly to do with the fact that they were playing teams that weren't that good offensively? I mean, you have good receivers. Yeah, we do. A half-decent tight end and a bunch of running backs that they all kind of run the same and I can never tell. It's like Ingram, Hightower. But they're all effective and they can catch the ball out of the backfield.

You know what I mean? The Panthers are only like, what, they're allowing, what, like three yards per carry right now? I think they're going to make make breeze throw it like 40 times one of the reasons i wanted to bring you on was because i have the hottest of hot takes oh i think you're gonna win the division wow yeah the falcons are six and four confidence you know falcons are six and four home for a Arizona, home for KC. I think they split. At the Rams, home for San Francisco. But then, how Atlanta would this collapse be? At Carolina, at New Orleans.

Week 16, week 17. And they blow both of them and finish 9-7. Now, your team. Okay. At Carolina Thursday night, I think you win. Home Rams, home Lions. Those are two wins. I'm giving you those two. The Rams are a historic trap game for us, though.

Well, you're going to have the historic Jared Goff on the other line. You'll be fine. At Tampa, sneaky. You've had issues in Tampa over the years. Sneaky one. At Zona, you'll lose one of those two. And then home for Tampa at Atlanta. If you get to eight and seven going into that Atlanta game,

I think you can win the division. Because then it comes down to, wouldn't that come down to division record at that point? And they've lost. They've beaten their division teams. All right, you need to get to nine and six. You can only lose one more time before that game. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, like there you have it.

I'm not sold on Atlanta. I thought Philly manhandled them on Sunday. I mean, like I'm never sold on Atlanta. You should never be sold on Atlanta, but I'm also never sold on the Saints. I know better than to trust the New Orleans Saints at this point in my life. Don't you, aren't you at least happy

that Sean Payton has shown a modicum of juvenation considering after, see, I don't know if I ever told you my theory about it. I've written about it, but my Sean Payton theory. No, share it. He got suspended for the year and it ruined his coaching career because he got to live like a human being. Instead of just these football coaches are 18 hours a day during the season and all they

do is coach football. He's like, it's Sunday. His wife's like, should we go to the high school game down the street? Yeah, let's do it. Hey, want to have a date? Sure, it's Sunday. His wife's like, should we go to the high school game down the street? Yeah, let's do it. Hey, want to have a date? Sure, let's go. Hey, you want to go somewhere? Absolutely, I'm free.

He's never been the same. But now this year, there's signs of life. This was a top five coach who has not been a top five coach since that suspension. That's very true. So you have that. That's good. The Breeze thing's really fun yeah i mean

old breeze is still pretty much as good as the other breeze yeah i mean like there's there's there's just that looming specter the fact that like any given day he could just go off for 400 yards yeah i mean we have the number two ranked offense still. I mean, like, and, you know, we have the 30th ranked defense, but they actually did reasonably well against the Broncos. I went from thinking the defense was a complete shit show. The Giants game was the wild card where they only gave up like 17 points, but it was like I started Eli in fantasy that week, and I couldn't figure out why the Saints kept stopping them.

Their defense is no better or worse than two-thirds of the defenses. They can get stops. I mean, they came back from 10-0 against Denver. They got a couple turnovers. Yeah, it's true. I mean, like they got 6-6, and I mean like Cam Jordan has been a monster. I mean, it was Jordan has been a monster. I mean, it was like, you're right. Like our defenses can be good occasionally,

but the thing is that I cannot rely on it. No, you can't. You're going to have to outscore teams. Yeah. I mean, like we're 0-3 when it held to like, where did I see this stat? I think it was like 0-3. Held under like 24 points or something?

Yeah, 24 points. Like we have to score a lot. I like the receivers. Yeah. Well, I mean like the oldest is Willie Sneed. They always find these dudes, man. And he's 23.

Yeah. Cook, Sneed, and Thomas. And Thomas kind of had a bad game with the fumbles last game. What happened to Colston? They bury him under the Superdome? Where'd he go? Colston got released, didn't he?

I know, but that was kind of fast for him. I don't feel like he was in that Andre Johnson Megatron generation of receivers. But maybe he was. Maybe age-wise he was. I mean, yeah, he went, what, undrafted in 04? Yeah. All right, so we feel good about the Saints. I know you don't, but I do. I'm going to feel good for you. The Pel all right so we feel good about the saints i know you don't but i do i'm gonna feel good for you the pelicans i don't feel good about the pelican i watched him last

night my team lost to the pelicans because we don't have jay crowder now horford and the whole and all of a sudden we look like wait what was it what was this less than one point oh yeah 106 105 yeah we had the lead the whole fourth quarter yeah and then uh tim frazier up fake kelly olenek for the game-winning free throws and stupid kelly olenek jumps up like tim frazier is gonna rainbow a 25 footer over him god damn it that crucial crucial free throw shooting from frazier and anthony davis down the stretch actually but that was really my first chance to watch the pelicans it is outrageous how bad his teammates are it is outrageous it is a disservice well well the thing is is that you watched that game last night and that's like the first time you really watched it

and that's the best they've played they're terrible i mean everybody on the bench had like a positive plus minus figure and i think they they had they they everybody on the bench had like a positive plus minus figure. And I think they came off the bench with something like 50 points or whatever. Solomon Hill was good. Langston Galloway was good. And that's the best they have been all season. Listen to yourself. Langston Galloway was good. It's literally like, I mean, Anthony Davis is...

I mean, literally, if he keeps up at this clip and plays like this through the end of the season, I think he's averaging like 30 points a game and like six rebounds. I don't know how many rebounds, but anyway. I'm going to get the stats as you're talking. If he continues playing this way, it's literally like the only person

that will have had a better season than him is like MVP Michael Jordan in 88. We have a lot of these individual performances this season. Everybody's going, historically. Historically is a word that's just getting thrown around all the time. Like Westbrook. Harden's just casually putting up 30 and 13 every night. But Davis, to do what he's doing.

The Antonio system. 30 and 13 every night but davis to do what he's doing dantoni system like the uh the end of that game i knew that he was getting the ball every time so did the celtics which is when you think like he's still putting up the stats when everybody knows he's getting the ball every time you know it's funny though not funny to you but funny to me with like two and a half seconds after two so whatever it was the ball went out of bounds and we were inbounding the ball and gentry was like oh i gotta get a taller and better it's like i'm gonna use omar so that he took off his he had his warm-up jacket on he was so sure he wasn't getting back in so he came in i was like oh they still have him and looked it up. He's in year two of a $60 million deal. Year two of $60 million. Yeah.

Dell Dimps and these free agents, man. I mean, it's like. So bad. He did Ajinka. I looked it up. When they signed Davis to the extension, they did Asik. He's another one, like Pulisic. I don't know what it is.

$60 million for him. And I honestly don't care. $20 million for Ajinka. And $9 million for somebody else. I'm laughing, but I'm dead inside. So Davis is 30.5 and 11.2 rebounds. Yeah. Yeah.

So here's the thing. I don't think he can ever say anything about being traded, any of this stuff. Because this dumbass re-signed that big extension with them. $145 million? Yeah. Yeah. But he knew they had a bad GM. stuff because this dumbass signed re-signed that big extension with them 145 mil yeah yeah but he knew they had a bad gm i mean he knew their owner was 120 years old and i mean they have the worst nba owner in the league they have the worst nba ownership situation in basketball and he had no second banana teammate that could be like all right right, at least that's my Robin. Much less the third banana.

I don't know why he resigned. I didn't understand at the time. He could have been, this is the first year of his extension. So it's five years, 145 million. Year one is this year. He could have just not done anything and been a free agent last summer with all those teams coming at him.

Now he won't be a free agent last summer with all those teams coming at them now i won't be a free agent till 2020 the no 2021 2020 2021 five years 17 18 19 2021 is there for five years this is year one for the fifth year there's a player option for the fifth year he's definitely gonna he's gonna exercise he's exploring it yeah and he's that like it's that. He's exploring it. The thing is that it's going to be another Chris Paul situation. I'm already phrasing myself. Have we ever talked about the Chris Paul trade? We have never talked about the Chris Paul trade. It's the least amount anyone's ever gotten for a superstar by my calculations.

It's unbelievable. They have nothing left from that trade. And I actually thought Eric Gordon was, I went to the Clipper Games and watched him. I really liked him. I thought he had the chance to be like the best two guard in the league when Kobe retired. Boy, was I wrong.

And then they had a lottery pick from somebody and it ended up being the Austin Rivers pick. And then they got. Yes, the 10th pick. They took 10th pick. somebody and it ended up being the austin rivers pick uh and then they got yes they took 10th pick rivers and 10th pick and then they got uh aminu oh they let go they let go of alfred way too early i'm i was watching him hit three pointers against the warriors in the playoffs last season and i just i just, I just wanted to die every time. He was a late bloomer. But yeah, they got really nothing for Chris Paul

and the commissioner vetoed the trade that, it's not like it would have been much better, but it would have been nice to have Dragic and a couple of those other people. But anyway, my point is. Your point is that you can't put one stallion in the middle of a bunch of donkeys and expect to win a chariot race. I think young people, when they get offered a lot of money, and they're in a situation they don't know any better, they're like, oh, we'll turn it around.

I want to stay here. I really like New Orleans. I see all the reasons, and they're all good reasons. I respect the reasons. But somebody in his life should have been like look dude this is probably the worst run franchise in the league this is dangerous to do this like just so you know three years from now you might be on this team with no help whatsoever now i don't know if anyone had that conversation with him is my point the other thing is you could just keep just wait until that summer

last summer just wait until that summer, last summer, just wait. Sign the contract then. It's still gonna be there. But I get it. It's like, oh, I gotta sign.

Now I'm locked up. I have security, all that stuff. But I guarantee he's kicking himself a little bit. I promise you he is. Man.

The thing is, like, Durant, OKC did the same thing to Durant. Much different, much better basketball situation

but these guys are like oh I love it here I'm 23 but when you're 27 and you've been in the same city

for 8 years and your team sucks and it's poorly run you start looking around I don't think they will ever trade him my advice to them do not trade him

do not don't even think about it I know they probably aren't but it's like he gets thrown around a trade rumor sometimes like are you crazy yeah i mean insane to trade him there's no trade that makes sense we'll have nothing what are you getting back there's nobody i can't even imagine who they would get back i mean but the thing is that like there's nothing besides davis to mortgage besides like our future first round picks.

I don't think you need to suck this year again. I mean, well, I think that worked last year and he got buddy healed who is not, I don't know, man, you know, you know,

you know, you know, we're only 11 games in the season. I'm going to give it a little more time. O'Connor ruined him for me. Kevin O'Connor and the ringer. He wrote about his lack of athleticism, get in the rim. I'm going to give it a little more time. O'Connor ruined him for me. Kevin O'Connor on The Ringer. He wrote about his lack of athleticism

getting in the rim. Yeah. And how when he goes to the rim, some guys go to the rim and they just go to the rim and other guys are like contorting their bodies to kind of avoid

the shot blockers. Yeah. And now when I see him and he does that, I think of Kevin O'Connor. I'm going to not be. Oh, now you're sad. Now I made you sad.

Can we talk about the first season of Atlanta? Yeah, we can talk about the first season of Atlanta. It was sad when it ended. It was over way too quick. My DVR, there was a hole in my DVR this week. And in my heart. Yeah, I mean, like 10 episodes and the my DVR this week and in my heart. I, yeah. I mean, like 10 episodes and the fact that it's not going to be back for until like 2018.

Is that true? 2018? Well, I mean, like he's taken off a lot of time to, to, to, um, you know, to shoot Star Wars. So, I mean, and to work on several other projects, but I mean, it's not going to be back for a while. There's no Chappelle possibilities here with him, right? Where he just never does another season. It's like, oh no, he got delayed. And then all of a sudden it just never comes back.

It's like a 10% chance. Honestly, there's no telling. I have no idea. He's very enigmatic. Very. Donald Glover. Extremely. I wouldn't be shocked if he was just like,

or if he said like this year I'm not in it. I'm bored with this now. Whatever. Or I'm not in it this year. We're gearing the whole season around Van. And by the way, I'd be bummed out for like 10 minutes. I'm like, hey, they're gearing the whole series around Van. Yeah. I'm in.

One of my favorite actresses. The what? One of your favorite what? Actresses. Oh, yeah. Zazie Beetz. She did an excellent job. she did an excellent job she did like the fact that it was like the in the first run of the show like the first season of the show there's 10 episodes and like four of them are concept episodes like what was more

exciting for you uh interviewing paperboy or kobe that is an unfair question i feel like i think it's a hundred but take do you feel like that's a fair question joe did you feel like that was fair thought it was a fair question okay fine whatever what were you more excited for your stupid question okay so i think that the kobe interview the kobe interview like i had what like eight minutes yeah it's a flat speed chess yeah so i just it's basically like the equivalent of walking I think that the Covey interview, the Covey interview, like I had what, like eight minutes. Yeah. It's a flat speed chess. Yeah. So I just,

it was basically like the equivalent of walking up to somebody at a house party. And before you even ask what they do, you're just like, so what's your biggest fear? That is basically what I did to the Covey. I sat down in the chair and I was just like, so what do you think of when you think happens after you die?

And then he was just, he was just down. I've never been proud of you. Yeah. He's so ready to, Kobe just wants to get weird. He really does. He doesn't want to ask a question of,

Hey, do you think the Lakers will turn it around? Like he's so ready to get weird on any interview. Yeah. But I mean like I've, but I mean the interview with, uh, Brian Tyree Henry was fun.

Cause I felt like I was just sitting down and talking to yeah i don't want to say a friend that's too strong but like it was very like easy and it was just i i felt like i could have kept talking for another like two hours he's very gregarious and welcoming yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely very easy to talk to atlanta season two during a trump presidency is going to be a really interesting wrinkle. I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah. Very.

I think that's, I think that will be explored. Assuming all guns blazing season two, everybody's back, Glover's in it. It's the same kind of, I think it will be explored. Would be my guess. I want more Keith. I want more, not Keith, excuse me, I think it will be explored. Would be my guess. I want more Keith. I want more, not Keith, excuse me. I want more Darius episodes. Just.

Yeah, we never really explored him. It's just like season four, we'll know a lot of Darius. Yeah. I mean, like he got his one independent storyline when he was doing the, the one where he went to the gun range with the dog map thing. That was so brilliant. Amazing. That scene.

But I mean, like, also just the fact that when he was leaving in the club episode, when he was leaving and he was talking to the bouncer and he leaves, comes back to the bouncer, he's just like, hey, have you ever had to bounce another bouncer? Which is just a brilliant question. You'd never think to ask something like that.

But it's, and then it's just hilarious. And the guy's just like, yeah, it was difficult because like he knew all the moves. Which was like, it's like his brand of comedy is very, is hilarious. Especially the fact where he's just like, yeah, you can't get back into the VIP section. He just accepts it and goes home and plays video games and eats cereal favorite episode favorite episode probably the migos episode if only for no it's actually that's absolutely not true my favorite episode is bar none like the the juneteenth episode but i think my favorite moment was probably no that's too difficult i want to say i just really love the moment where quavo is just like

where uh paper boy's walking up and he's just like yo what's going down and quavo's just like you know what what have you been up to and he's just like you know busy busy he's like they owe you me nigga tra and boring as fuck I was just like that is the coolest thing I've ever heard I need to use that in conversation at some point um so I think his favorite episode

most rewatchable episode and best moment I think are the three enduring questions cause favorite episode I still think the one with the commercials and stuff was so creative in the moment was was really i don't know if it'll be as rewatchable as some of the other ones but just in the moment i i can't remember watching tv and going like what the fuck is going on is this wait is this is it did he make that and then rewinding it and just being

confused and then gradually understanding what was going on. Yeah. I mean, that was amazing. I mean, everything about that, everything about that episode was, was brilliant,

but I specifically liked the Juneteenth episode because it just deals with the, uh, the moral quandary of like the good white person, which is, I mean, the well-meaning white person that's really just annoying as all get out. They're on Facebook right now,

urging the country to heal after the Trump presidency. Yeah. It's just like sometimes, sometimes it's just like, you know, just, just like not to sound coarse or like dismissive about it, but it's just like, sometimes just like, just shut up and be white, you know, just, just like not to sound coarse or like dismissive about it, but it's just like, sometimes just like, just shut up and be white, you know,

just let it go. I did. I, I have never been to Africa. I don't really think it's that important that I go, you know, on top of that, I'm kind of like, it's not like I can just drop it and go to Africa and it doesn't make you a racial ambassador if that happens either. Like, you know, it's relax. I haven't heard Tate snicker this many times over the last five minutes. My favorite moment, hands down, bar none,

was the invisible car hitting the two people. Oh, that was so funny. It was so funny. And so many people missed it. It was so great and I missed it. I'm ashamed to admit I missed it. And my wife, who misses everything, immediately caught it and was like

rewind it I think the invisible car hit those two guys I just thought they were doing some weird flip or something and then we rewind it

and it was just delightful and whoever thought of that needs a raise somebody in the writers room came up with the idea for the invisible car to circle back and hit people

that wasn't like in the initial episode that was brought up at some point and wasn't like in the initial episode that was brought up at some point they're like yeah we gotta do that yeah what a great idea i love like that so many things in that show just kind of lurk right on the edge of reality or there's just kind of like something supernatural lurking at the at the fringes of the show like there was that there was the dog with the texas on on the, the guy on the bus that was just like making Nutella sandwiches. Well, you wrote this on The Ringer.

No show that I can remember other than The Wire dealt with racism in a more in the moment kind of not aggressive way, if that makes sense. It was just like the police station episode. The police station episode... Had moments that just don't normally exist. Literally the three minutes, well, it was like three minutes, but it was over a longer course in the course of the show. They dealt with homophobia, transphobia, racism, police brutality. Yeah.

And did it in a fashion where you were laughing two minutes later. The fact that the pacing was like, it was enough to shock you and then bring you right back with Darius sitting on the couch talking about, so apparently John boyega is the new magic johnson right you know it's it was almost done like documentary style yeah it's brilliant netflix shows where they go undercover into prisons and stuff happens if you watch that show i've almost clicked on it 20 times i'm talking about 13th no there's a netflix show and i think it's an english show, where the guy goes into prisons.

Can somebody email us and tell us whether that show is worth watching? Somebody should be writing for our website. Should I watch this? Because I see Kevin Wilds, who you've never met, who you would love, who I used to work with at ESPN. He was fast. He would watch prison shows all the time. And we would always be like, why do you love watching these shows? And he was like, because you never know if you're going to end up in there.

And I like to I want to have a plan. Everyone needs a plan when they get in. We're like, what are you talking about? You psycho. It's like he was like gathering intelligence for his plan of the 0.1 percent chance he ever ended up in the joint for a long period of time. He's like, you have to kill someone right away. We're like, okay. All right, good.

Find the biggest person in the yard. Just kill them. And let them know you're not a candy ass. And they'll leave you alone. Kevin Wilds. Yeah. Have you ever, did you ever get a chance to look in his garage? Maybe it was stockpiling gasoline and machetes.

Some people just do that. They take their worst fear and they confront it. I don't know what that's like. Through a series of Netflix and streaming. What are the other shows that show? MSNBC? Joe Fuentes looks guilty. Ooh, you like prison shows.

I don't. No? Tate? Tate will watch anything. Tate will prison shows. I don't. No? Tate? Tate will watch anything. Tate will watch anything. I don't. Tate's dad with whatever. What are you writing about this week?

I wrote about Oasis. Oh yeah, I saw that. I haven't read that one yet. I mean, Oasis Supersonic is such a a good like it's really more of a comedy than it is a documentary just because the two the gallagher brothers are absolutely ridiculous like they'll be talking about i think it was just it was just like we're the biggest

rock and roll band on the on the planet you know we just didn't give a fuck you know and then they'll be talking about fights that they had in the studio and it's an absolutely ridiculous thing it's just like i bought too many women back probably like you know no i was trying to write a song or something but there was no need for the cricket fucking bat you know like it's just the things that they talk about are just really just absolutely ridiculous that you can't believe that they actually happened i didn't know you did accents. I would have invited you on the podcast sooner. I didn't know you were that multi-dimensional.

I just watch a lot of Premier League and BBC. That's what is osmosis. You were like five when Oasis' best album came out. That was in the wheelhouse of when I cared the most about music. I would have bet anything on those guys. I would have bet on them just having like a 25-year career of great albums. In the moment.

Who knew? They hated each other so much. It just went down after that. It was just never going to last. But I mean, they really had one of the all-time moments I can remember for like a one-year moment where it was just like this whole stretch just belonged to them.

And everyone in England was like, these guys are, these are the next ones. This is it. The Beatles are here. There's this. And then they were such assholes. Yeah.

And they just never replicated it. I still think Wonderwall is one of the five greatest songs ever written. It's just like lyrically, musically, the whole thing. It's, it's just like the perfect pop song. It's the perfect English pop song.

I know that's not like the most popular opinion because the song was too popular. But if you actually just listen to it and read the lyrics and listen to the beats, it's just like, you know, it's the Beatles song that they never wrote. That is very... What's your favorite Oasis song? My favorite Oasis song is Don't Look Back in Anger. I was going to say that was my good one to put on a mixtape back in the day, back when people made mixtapes. Yeah.

I know we broke up, but Don't Look Back in Anger. Speaking of Don't Look Back, we have to go. Well. Like Peters, this was fun. It was fun. All right. Thank you for having me. Good luck with the Pelicans and the Saints.

Don't forget where you heard it first, that the Saints were going to win the NFC South. Thank you. What's your Twitter address, by the way? At MikePeters underscore. If you're listening to this, at MikePeters, man, come up off of the handle, okay? Just let me have the actual name. Thank you. Thank you.

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