The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 145: Week 12 Lines With Cousin Sal and Thanksgiving Day Best Bets With Joe House

Episode Date: November 21, 2016

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on Cousin Sal to discuss Sal's 0-3 Week 11 Vegas trip (5:00), the Chiefs’ surprising stumble (11:00), the Dolphins’ chances of getting to 10 wins (15:00), Dak's MVP candidacy (17:00), the reason behind Thanksgiving games (24:00), Vikings-Lions (27:00), Kirk Cousins's Flacco contract (30:00), the Bills’ upcoming schedule (34:00), Giants-Browns as the worst game of the weekend (38:00), Jeff Fisher's mediocrity (41:00), Trump claiming Brady's innocence (46:00), Chiefs-Broncos (51:00), Andrew Ward's decision over Kovalev (53:00), and Goldberg's quick bout with Brock Lesnar (56:00). Then, House calls in to hand out the best Thanksgiving Day gambling plays (1:01:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You went to Vegas. I should be more excited. The Cowboys are winning, but there's no worse time to go 0-3 with your public picks than when you're in las vegas so every week on facebook.com you do this thing cousin south sure thing you've done pretty well this year it was 18 and 12 entering this week you had not taken the collar yet no and then it finally happened oh and three so you had the jaguars lions kick a late field goal lions kick a field goal 22 seconds left it's one of those things where they're not going to punt it's close enough for a field goal jaguars, Lions kick a late field goal. Lions kick a field goal with 22 seconds left. It's one of those things where they're not going to punt.

It's close enough for a field goal. Jaguars call a timeout, and they have to kick it, and it goes from four to seven, and the line is six and a half. Almost dangerous to kick it, because what if it gets blocked? You think, like, oh, maybe they just do a five-yard punt or whatever. So then you lose the Rams. The Rams have a 10-0 lead. 90% of the game, they're shutting out the Dolphins.

Dolphins look miserable. Ryan Tannehill is Ryan Tannehill. You're almost locking that one in at some point, and then all of a sudden hell breaks loose. What was the third one? I think you had it too. Arizona over Minnesota. Special teams touchdown. Carson Palmer throwing the worst pick six

of the year. The worst pass of the year. Well, it was kind of similar to the Gronk play from last Sunday, the last play, wasn't it? Like where he engaged the D-back and then forgot to turn off. I blame Palmer. It was a terrible pass and everything. Yeah.

But Josh Brown at some point has to at least flail or something and make it look like he's being held or something. I don't know. I think we did a pretty good job getting ready for this season with where we felt things were either going to go down or up for certain teams. Because Arizona was one that I was concerned about, specifically because of Carson Palmer. Yeah. He hasn't looked good anyway.

Now they can't block for him. And in that Minnesota game, I just saw somebody who just didn't have his confidence anymore. Do you remember? I mean, it was always the case that if you put pressure on him he was gonna fail you know but do you ever remember a bigger fall from grace than Palmer who was in the MVP talks last season and now it's like oh boy he's he's bottomed six seven quarterbacks right yeah I would go the other way though I just think he had a career year no i just think he had a great year right you know i there wasn't he had his best year probably since 2006 and it just he stayed healthy and he had you know they had a pretty good schedule yeah it's a good weapons effect it's like why are these things popular in the first place don't

complain that they're worth nothing now right yeah. Right. I thought they were going to save their season in that game. Yeah. They did not. I think we can write them off. I'm reasonably confident. We can definitely write off Cincinnati. It is interesting. I was going to say that it's not yet Thanksgiving,

and we could reasonably say that Green Bay, Cincinnati, Carolina, and Arizona are done, right? I mean, those are four legitimate playoff teams last year let's talk football and then we'll audible to Ward versus Kovalev which you went to and Goldberg Lesnar because those are

very important topics I think we should bang out the football first so Cleveland has been mathematically eliminated we can definitely cross them off we can cross off the Niners We can cross off the Niners. We can cross off the Jaguars, the Bears, the Jets. I think we can cross off the Rams. Yes.

And we could also cross them off as an entertainment option for anyone who lives in the Los Angeles area because over and over again, they've had some of the worst football games anyone's ever seen. I think they should do the right thing and secede from the NFL. Forget about L.A., which clearly doesn't like them. I mean, their home games, it's ever seen. I think they should do the right thing and secede from the NFL. Forget about LA, which clearly doesn't like them. I mean, their home games, it's 108 degrees. They're serving warm

water bottles. Or it's raining. It never rains in LA. This is a sign from above. What were the odds? It's rained three times all year. It rains exactly during that game. Exactly. I think we could cross off Cincy. I actually think we can cross off San Diego.

The tough schedule left. Miami's got two games on them. Miami already beat them. So any tiebreaker, Miami wins. So they have to jump three games over them for the wild card. I just don't see it. I don't either, especially in that division where it's probably going to have two wild cards anyway.

They'd have to run the table to go 10 and 6. I would not cross off any other team. I think you can't cross off the Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis, any of those. I wouldn't cross off any NFC South team. Would you? I don't know who's getting to

10 wins in that division. There are teams like New Orleans that are 4-6 that have to go 10. I know they're fun to watch, but you can't even bet on them. All right. Can't do it yet. They're not going anywhere. Obviously, Tampa Bay is now a game out.

That's weird. Buffalo is still lingering at 5-5. Yeah, we'll give them another week. Baltimore and Pittsburgh, you feel like one of them should be crossed off, and yet neither of them because it's going to be just them staring at each other until week 17. Pittsburgh has not left themselves a lot of room for error here, and neither has Baltimore.

Still favored to win that division, though, right? They should be. Yeah, but they, you know, Roethlisberger. They're the best team to get going, yeah. Roethlisberger, I don't know. I didn't think they looked that good in that Cleveland game. I actually thought Cleveland, you know, I know they're the 35-minute team. They had to do,

it was hard to tell, like, they just kept giving it to Bell. They're like, let's just do as little as possible to win. It seemed like their defense could score three times if they wanted to. I had him in my DraftKings lineup yesterday. Let's talk about that. You're Mr. Fantasy all of a sudden. You know, DraftKings

and in our league, you want to, it looked like you may blow it when you have R. Kelly. Fat Rob. Fat Rob, sensation. Pick up – what did you get him for, a dollar or zero? I think I spent zero dollars on him. It is weird. Now guys are winning games in the league with R. Kelly and Jay Ajayi.

Guys they picked up for like a dollar or two dollars and proceeds. It's crazy. I don't feel like i was throwing shit against the wall because i saw him the previous week and i just liked him i was like who's this guy and then it's like he's undrafted he's 24 i was like yeah right it's not it's not like i have a second good running back but but it was it was it was down a point with like four minutes left it was unclear if they were going to get the ball again the redskin it was so dramatic i know people hate listening to fantasy talk but i needed like 20 points from him right he scored i was still a point i needed them to

get the ball back and i needed him to basically get a first down and he ran for like 70 yards i was going crazy yeah fantasy can still be fun sometimes as much as i hate it now you're like two games out of first i know and i didn't have grok either but you know let's talk about well actually let's talk about the your vegas, let's talk about your Vegas trip. Yeah. So you're in Vegas, and you got 0-3, and people are being mean to you? It just stinks. It's like walking to the bathroom and stuff.

Like, hey, 0-3. There's no escaping anything, you know. I'm not as recognizable as you, but when I am, it's bad, you know, especially when you go 0-3. And I was in the sportsbook rooting hard. Like, who else? No one else is rooting for Jacksonville in that game. Everyone's rooting-3. And I was in the sports book rooting hard. Like, who else? No one else is rooting for Jacksonville in that game. Everyone's rooting for Detroit.

So I'm freaking out. I'm, like, throwing my hat down when Detroit kicks a meaningless field goal. And, yeah, and then people catch on. It's bad. So did you feel like people knew what your picks were? Because I look at this as a positive. You're in a casino, and people knew what the Cousin Sal's sure thing picks were. I'm not saying dozens,

but one or two or three came up to me and said something harsh. And, you know, I should die. You know, I lost three games on one possession. And it's like, you are the freaking worst.

I'm not listening to you. When you go back to your cousin, maybe you can find you another. You know, it's all, it's all terrible shit, but I deserve it. This is the responsibility you assumed.

I shouldn't have. By naming your thing cousin sal sure thing you should have named it cousin sal's almost sure thing i'm gonna change it to cousin sal's wednesday thing i don't know i guess it's a thing that i'm kind of sure of what you were doing you hadn't taken the collar all year yeah and it's a you know it's just weird now you look it's like when you get in a fender bender. You don't want to drive the rest of the day. You're like, oh, boy, I don't know.

It's very strange now. I'm going to get my bearings. You're shaking. You're like Carson Palmer. We're going to pick winners. You know, there were some weird games from a spread standpoint yesterday. Like that Rams to offense flip was weird. Lions kicking the field goal.

The Pats had an amazing. Now, the Pats line went from 13 and a half, it dropped to 12 and a half, but they were up 30-17, got a first down, first and goal from the two, but enough time to run at least one more play. And they run blunt trying to score, gets tackled, and then they do the kneel. But that was pretty exciting and dramatic. And then there was one other one. Oh oh the seahawks and the eagles game the eagles were kind of lingering at some point for the back door but yeah so i think every team except cincinnati and uh kansas city covered all now in the packers i guess after last

night covered on a two-team teaser favorite or underdog wow and we didn't make nearly enough money we had the chiefs right we had the Chiefs on one thing. The Chiefs were, that was the big surprise. You know, so we bet on Andre Ward. We parlayed him with three other NFL entities. Yeah, Moneyline. One of which was the Chiefs. After I talked you out of making the Giants there,

because I was like, Eli Satan. We can't throw Eli in a two-team teaser. This is what he does. He waits for us to do this and then he kills us. And they're up 16-6, or down 16-6. I felt good about that. The Chiefs-Tampa, I got to say, as it got close to 10 o'clock on Sunday West Coast time,

I went and I looked at Tampa. They played a really tough schedule and they've kind of hung around and they were only 4-5. I don't know. I started to get nervous about that one a little bit. If we could have voided the bet, I would have. Well, you start thinking fantasy-wise.

Like, all right, skill position. Who would I start? Would I start Winston in a normal game or Alex Smith? You just go through. Would I start Mike Evans or some guy who I'd never heard of on the Chiefs? It's like, oh, man. The other thing that made me nervous just watching it was they were doing the FSU chant.

Oh, right, right, right. And I was like, oh, don't. And then afterwards, I couldn't believe it because I thought in my head, like, I wonder if this makes Winston feel like he's back. And then afterwards, he was like, I love playing there. They did the chant. Wow.

It was like a home game for him. Yeah. But the bottom line is the Chiefs only scored 17 points, and they're having trouble getting over 20. I think they were looking ahead, too. They play at Denver this week. Yeah. That happens to teams.

We thought there was going to be three AFC West playoff teams. We just kind of locked that in. Now I don't think so, because they have to play each other. You're saying Dolphins or Bills steal one of them? I think Miami's schedule is too easy. Don't you? I wrote it down. We go over their schedule every week.

It just seems I can't figure out how they don't get to 10 wins now. They just have to go four and two. Here's how they don't get to 10 wins, if that Patriots game means something. I don't think it's going to mean anything. You don't think the Raiders have three losses and Patriots have two? Raiders have some tough games left, too. Whoever wins the West probably has three losses and Patriots have two. Like they may have, you know. Raiders have some tough games left too. Or whoever ends up with three. Whoever wins the West probably have three losses, right?

I don't know. My team was bumming me out yesterday because we looked sloppy. Defense played a little better than they had in the previous. We're up like 13-10 for a while. It's like, come on. Kaepernick's doing stuff. We still somehow got to 30 points. They get to 30 points every week that's fine last against seattle they only got to 24 but they

should have gotten a 30 they just didn't score in the last thing how excited should they be for a road game at san francisco even though it was wet it's wet yeah it was one of those let's get out of here without anybody blowing out an acl lewis came back which which looked good but i gotta say i think seattle's the best team right now. I don't know if that's going to be the case two months from now, but they're the most complete team. They do the most things. Wilson looks great again.

The one catch, though, the running back got hurt. Pro size. Pro Cs, pro size. Yeah, he might not. That could be it for him. And he had like this 70- touchdown early and that was it and just watching i was like jesus this guy's like really they had to get this guy and they cut kristin michael and right thomas rawls thomas rawls who played a lot in that game and looked good but you

know just came back from an injury prone surejury prone, sure. But if anything happens to him, that changes their destiny. But Wilson looks like Wilson again. Defense is good. I think there's two top-tier teams, yours and the Seahawks. What's interesting, though, is they have to come to Dallas to beat you unless you lose two more games. Right now. You won nine straight. It's unbelievable.

That was a weird – that could have been a weird game, the Ravens-s steal before Thanksgiving. But, man, they just kind of grind you out, these Cowboys. And the defense is playing harder than I've ever seen. Brian Curtis had a good piece in the ringers, winners, and losers today about how it looked like a pothole game for the Cowboys. Everything's going great. You hit the pothole.

I like that, pothole. And it did have that feeling for a little while. And, you know, I was going against Dak in fantasy and against our friend Brown. I was like, dude, why the hell did they start Dak? That's crazy. And then Dak... The way it's set up,

I know this is going to sound like a pro-romo thing, but the way it's set up, he can't go for less than 300 yards. No, I'm telling you. The offense is so... Well, we can get into this. Fine. Prescott's a starter. But after that speech, let's just agree that Tony Romo's the most important athlete of our generation. Let's just agree. You know, some of the ex-athletes on Sunday morning did not like the speech. What did they say? It was selfish? Yeah, they said he was a little me first-ish. It's so stupid for any athlete to say anything

like that. It's ridiculous. It's like, why are you making it about yourself, Tony Romo? What's he supposed to say? He says, do all great things about Dak Prescott. He earned it. What more do you have to say? Is it weird that I think Elliott is the rookie of the year, but Dak is a better MVP candidate?

Yes, it is weird. I was thinking about that one yesterday. Why? I don't know. I was thinking that yesterday i was who's more like could they win without could they have won for two and a half months without elliot that's just alfred morris running the bar like ah maybe but if if it wasn't dac they're like three and seven i think you had something you just just wrote it down mid-afternoon. I know what'll get Sal, man.

I'm going to say something that makes no sense at all. Dak's the MVP. What's your record if Alfred Morris plays those first 10 games? You're 7-3. Last week you said the offensive line's the MVP, right? Right. But I looked it up. We can't vote for five people at the same time. If Alfred Morris is your running back the whole year,

are you 6 and four? All right, but if Tony Romo and Ezekiel Elliott are... Tony Romo's out. Tony Romo's out. Tony Romo's out. Dak is your QB the whole time. Take out Dak and put in Matt Castle. Put in Matt Castle as your QB all year.

What's your record? You're four and six or three and seven. Sure. So I think he's more valuable. But I think Elliott's the rookie of the year. I know that makes no sense. It's the dumbest thing I've said in the podcast. All right, fine.

I still can't get over Tony Romo's out part. Tony Romo's what? He's out. When you say Tony Romo's out. Whatever. He'll be heard from. Romo running from the sidelines? Mm-hmm.

Do you think he'd have an orgasm? Running from the sidelines? Do you think he'd have an orgasm? Running from the sidelines? Just watching him running in from the sidelines to come into the game. What would happen? That's very private what goes on there for me. But I will say this. It's much more depressing seeing him in pads and a headset than it is just the backward cap or the decap.

What team do you want him to go to next year? L.A LA Rams? Is that possible? Can they get them? I don't know. From what we saw from Jared Goff yesterday, I think it's not impossible. I was thinking the Texans would be great.

How do they split up that money, though? Can't they just buy out? I mean, Osweiler's $72 million, but it's not all guaranteed. I don't know what it's guaranteed. I'd have to look into that. Broncos? Broncos would be good. You want to go somewhere

with a good defense and a decent running game. It's got to be someone who's pretty close. Not the Jets. Yeah, it can't be somebody who's rebuilding. It's got to be somebody

who's decent right now. What about Miami if the great Ryan Tannehill hadn't performed that miracle yesterday? That might have been a nice spot. Man, that's tough, man. A lot of teams have quarterbacks that they don't mind. Yeah.

I would say Houston. And the ones that don't. Arizona, if they bought out Carson Palmer. Yeah, I think it's one year. I think that would be a decent spot. Arizona would be fun. So six fun games over the last two weeks. Only six?

Yeah. Like legitimately fun games that you would watch from start to finish. Cowboys-Steelers, Broncos-Saints, Dolphins-Chargers, Seahawks-Patriots. And then yesterday I thought Cards-Vikes was really entertaining. And the Redskins-Packers game was awesome. That was a really fun Sunday night game. I really liked that one. I missed Al Michaels.

Tirico did a nice job filling in, but I think Al Michaels would have had a lot of fun with that one. So what is that, three weeks for Michaels, he sits? Yeah. Good move. Yeah. Got to protect Al Michaels. Oh, yeah.

You need him for the playoffs. It's too crazy. Can't mess around with Al Michaels. He should get a buy. An announcer should get buys, too. Why not? Yeah, it was great. He didn't ask for them to. It's too crazy. Can't mess around though, Michael. You should get a buy announcer. You should get buys too. Why not? Yeah, it was great. He didn't ask for them to get more games.

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We're going to talk about Lesnar and Goldberg. And then Joe House is going to call. And we're going to do the Callaway Part 3 for the Thursday Thanksgiving games. Good. That's smart. All right. So let's do the three. Maybe we should even.

No, let's do the lines now, and then we'll come back to them. Well, I think you wanted to, though. We're still Don Julio-ing it up. Oh, for Monday night? Yeah, because it's in Mexico. We should at least consider it. Great call. Oakland's favored by six over Houston.

Great call. You host this show better than I do. The Don Julio is the world's original handcrafted tequila with multiple unique tequilas including Don Julio 1942, the best luxury tequila you'll ever drink. Every week we do the shot of the week. Did we win last week? I think we did. Last week. We did. We did? I think I had

the Monday Night. New Orleans Carolina? I hit both of those. Alright. So we got tonight the Raiders. Oh no, you know what you had? You had Giants over Cincinnati. Wasn't that it? Or maybe you had no. You know what you had? You had Giants over Cincinnati. Wasn't that it? Or maybe you had no. Can you remember?

They're the Giants. I think I took the points. Yeah. Whatever. All right. So tonight. You can tell how much this means to us. No, it means a lot.

I think I hit both last week. Raiders, Texans. Raiders are like five and a half. Six now, I see. It's six? I just think they're better. I just do. I think they're better, the Raiders.

They're for sure better. I'm on a mission to not take any bad quarterbacks anymore in public. Yeah. And I'm going with the Raiders here. Definitely should have the fans. It's a weird game in Mexico. You don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it'll do to a team, but I'm with the Raiders here. Definitely should have the fans. It's a weird game in Mexico, yet you don't know. I don't know.

I don't know what it'll do to a team, but I'm taking the Raiders. I can't see the Raiders scoring less than 24 points in this game. Right. And I can't see the Texans scoring more than 24 points. So there you go. So it would have to be a Vikings-Cardinals situation where they get the special teamer. They had the terrible.

Barton will call it a pick 12 in his column today, which I liked. Because it could have gone the other way. Because they should have scored a touchdown. It was a 12-point swing. They picked 12. Yeah. And you can't even call it a pick 14 because everyone misses an extra point. That's true.

And by the way, let's all stop complaining about this. This was the most boring play of every game was the PAT. I'm with Jalen Rose. No, I'm not going to stop complaining. It's great. Now I watch PATs. I not going to stop complaining. No, it's great. Now I watch PATs. I want to see if they go in. It's great. You get happy when someone misses an extra point. Yeah, I don't mind it. I shake my head in disgust. I don't mind it. Really? It's terrible.

Why don't they move it to the 30-yard line instead of the 33? Just get rid of it. No, why? Everyone goes for twos. Why? Because I'm so used to it going in. It's like going in your car and turning on the air conditioning. Don't even have it's like going in your car and turning on the air conditioning just make touchdown seven then you turn the air conditioning on every time you expect cool air but then every 10th time uh wiper fluid shoots out and hits you in the eye like whoa let's go

back to the air like what do you what you want to see a block do you like it i like it tate will you delete this from my archives when gus casowski misses an extra point that cost me the Super Bowl this year because there's like a 60% chance it's going to happen more now Stevie G was the most stable thing in my life yeah and now he can't make extra points did he miss yesterday?

yeah he missed another one I don't know you want kickers deciding games like this it's bad enough when they're lining up for 40 yard field goal after 59 minutes of bashing heads the giants of bengals started out six six because they went oh for two on pats yeah mike did you and i think just misses every other pat at this point but uh yeah i i don't know i like it it keeps it keeps me invested and motivated and and uh i don't know sure there's a lot of fun to bet on bet when you can't count on a kicker. It's got to be at least one of the reasons why all these lines are just out of whack now.

All right. Three Thursday games. I like Jason Gay, who is a friend of the ringer at the Wall Street Journal. He had a tweet. Somebody was complaining about, he was retweeting somebody who was like, why don't we complain about Thursday football when it's the Thanksgiving football? Jason Gay was like,

because we need Thanksgiving football because then we don't have to talk to our family. Absolutely. I just want to remind everybody that it's very, very important that we keep these three games. Did you say they're going to mess around with the London game?

What are they going to do? They're going to move the nine 30 London game to one o'clock. So that just becomes part of the pack. I was disappointed. They did that a few years ago. I don't like that. No, like make it earlier.

But, but you know, our friend Alec, it's funny. He's like, I was like, Hey, why are ratings down the NFL?

He's like, well, you and Simmons talk about it a lot, but you don't really know what you're talking about. I was like, well, what does that mean? He's like, it's because and Simmons talk about it a lot, but you don't really know what you're talking about. I was like, well, what does that mean? He's like, it's because everything's spread out.

You got Thursday night, Sunday night, London, and that means the early slate is going to have bad games. But it's always been like this. You're just adding two, three London games. Why is it this year? It didn't make sense. I do think if they got rid of the Thursday night game completely, it would have a

dramatic impact on the quality of play. Right. But it's been around for years. You can't say that's why ratings are down. No, I know. But I just think that would help the cause. Yeah. I'm just saying Alex should shut his mouth. Alex should definitely shut up. Did you know the Redskins,

they played last night in a game that ended at like 11.30 at night night and then they're playing on thanksgiving at 4 30 i know that's insane it's good how does that happen what what makes the schedule maker go hey here's a good idea that is weird and on the road too crazy yeah that is crazy all right minnesota detroit first game i struggled with this i have the lions by one uh i said Lions by two. It's Lions by three.

It's a rematch. Not a lot of respect for the Vikes. This could kill our bet. We have the Lions to not make the playoffs with the 49ers and Browns who we feel good about right now. I think the Vikings defense started to look a little bit like the Vikings defense yesterday. They're getting some guys back. They're flying around.

They were after Palmer that whole game. Arizona was going all out trying to win that one. And I don't know. They just looked like the team from the first four weeks. And I'm very interested to see what they do with the Lions because I'm still not sold on this Lions team. The Jaguars were flying around against them yesterday. Well, I'm not sold on

Minnesota's offense, but I am not sold. I mean, Detroit had, you know how many rushing yards they had yesterday? 14 rushing yards. They can't run the ball at all. They had like eight going into the last drive. They won this game a few weeks ago in overtime. Yeah, we need this badly. We need the Vikings all of a sudden.

Otherwise, the Lions, I mean, the Packers aren't catching these teams, right? I don't think so. I was thinking that the Lions are just not good. Yeah. And that every year there's a team that just swoons down the stretch that had a lot of luck with some of these close games. So if they lose this one, they go at New Orleans, home Chicago, at Giants, at Dallas, home Green Bay.

The only one you would say, oh, say they'll definitely win is the home game against Chicago like they might just go one and five down the stretch they'll be underdogs probably for the rest I'm not sold on that either and if they do win the division we'll get our money back on the Giants in the first wild card game at Detroit

I won't be betting on that one I don't trust Eli I think that Minnesota would be the team I would place the wager on if I had to right now. Right now? Yeah. So I think we're okay. Let's see if we can.

I think we're okay. I think that D is going to win some games. Let me just see if there's a division. Plus they're built for the cold weather a lot more than Detroit is. Detroit minus 110. Minnesota plus 180. I like Minnesota. All right, second game.

Washington and Dallas. Wow. This is a great game. Are you going to start R. Kelly again? I might. Fat Rab. R. Kelly.

Does he urinate on the Cowboys defense or can he fly? That's what Berman should be using. Some of these... R. Kelly! I had the Cowboys by five and a half.

You should take care of business this game. I had Cowboys by six. It's six and a half, so I win that one. There's some cheap touchdown potential in this one. You think so? If you're up 11 with five minutes to go and Washington has the ball would you want the Cowboys

minus six or would you want Washington plus six I like Cousins he's very very almost beat up his general manager

on the field I love that too what was that is that gonna get you an extended deal the guy goes to hug you and you just mad dog him

and then rub his head violently he bet on himself which I liked yeah Cousins end of deal the guy goes to hug you and he's so awkward mad dog him and then rub his head uh violently he bet on himself which i liked yeah cousins he could have probably got ended up with some version of that osweiler contract and now he's going to end up with a flacco contract that will destroy his team like joe flacco's contract destroyed the baltimore ravens good for him yeah and good for zeke elliott broke dorsett's team rookie record with six games left. Unbelievable. Six games left. Come on.

And that was like a semi-iconic rookie season by Dorsett. Yeah. I remember that season. Oh, my God. This guy's amazing. All right. Pittsburgh at Indianapolis is the night game. Ooh.

Good one. Both teams 5-5. Don't want to call a loser leaves town because— You can't. Well, they're both very— They're both in bad divisions. Divisions they're both very winnable divisions. I have the Steelers by two and a half. I still have no respect for this Colts team. I don't know why.

You win this one. I said Steelers by two. It's three. Tennessee, defensively, to have this cornerback everybody picks on, Cox, they're one of those teams you can tell in the first couple minutes whether they don't have it. Offensively, to have this cornerback everybody picks on, Cox, they're one of those teams you can tell in the first couple minutes where they don't have it. And yet they did rally back, and it was 21-17, and they were kind of lingering in that game.

I didn't like their game plan. I think they could have just run the ball down Indianapolis' throat. I think sometimes the Colts play to gain respect. Not very often, but this was one of the weeks. And we said last week, Tennessee put together back-to-back wins. They're the zigzag team of the year. Win-loss, win-loss, win-loss the last six weeks. And we want to root for them.

Cover T.Y. Hilton. How about that idea? That's nice, too. Just follow him around. He's the only guy that can really hurt you on the field. Let's start with them. They're at Chicago Sunday. And they also gave up just one of the worst passes,

that Frank Gore, that long pass. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was like a Madden play where you're running against your kid, where you run over to the right side, and he brings the safety over, and then the whole left side of the field is open. And Frank Gore couldn't even score on it because he's so old. There's nobody within 50 yards of him. He still couldn't score.

All right, so those are our Thursday games. So Tennessee and Chicago will start Sunday. Those are three good Thursday games. There's not a stinker in those games. Yeah, but let me tell you this. You know that bet you could bet a team to win by 22 or more points? Yeah. In the last eight of the last nine years, there's been a blowout.

And you usually get good odds on those 22-plus. Depending on the team, you get 4-1, 6-1, 5-1. We should bet every game. Detroit won 45-14 last year. Carolina beat Dallas 33-14. Although that's not 22-plus. But let's look at these games. If you had to pick one of those six teams to blow out the other team,

who would you pick? To blow it out? I would pick the Steelers. I don't think the Colts would be able to stop them. I can't say. I don't know. Maybe Detroit. I don't know.

Anyway, just bet all of them. Another thing with that Steelers-Colts game, I bet a lot of Pittsburgh fans are at that game. Oh, really? Yeah. Traveling on Thanksgiving. Be one of those 20,000. Yeah, the Pittsburgh fans are crazy, though. Oh, really? Yeah. Traveling on Thanksgiving. Be one of those 20,000. Yeah, the Pittsburgh fans are crazy, though.

All right, Sunday games. Tennessee, Chicago. Terrible game. Titans by one. Titans by one. I said Titans by three. It's two and a half. Oh.

So I get it. It's a tough one. No one's touching Chicago the rest of the year, right? They're toxic. Somebody else got hurt in their team yesterday. Was it? Yeah, they had another bad injury. I can't remember who it was, though.

Jacksonville at Buffalo. Terrible game. Bills by six. I said Bills by eight and a half, but I'm very angry at the Jags. That's why I went so high. You get it. It's Bills by seven. I mean, we were screaming

for Blake Bortles to get out. Have you seen him throw? He throws like there's nothing at stake. Like he's having a catch with his nephew on the beach who's visiting from out of town. He's snake bit. His receivers are pretty good too. I just, I can't believe how bad he is. He needs to

fall behind by 20 to 23 every game before he heats up yeah i guess then against the lions they it just never happened i don't know why it's going on why i mean he was like one of the most i think he might have been the most improved quarterback from rookie to year two but um buffalo we went over it was smoke and mirrors so it was all garbage time stats jacksonville at oakland pittsburgh cle Cleveland, Miami at the Jets. They're favoring at least four of those. They don't go 10 and 6, right?

Who are we talking about? Buffalo. I don't think they're good enough. At Oakland, Pittsburgh, Miami at the Jets. Rex will screw one of those up. They feel like 9 and 7 to me. Cincinnati at Baltimore. Another terrible game.

Could this be a Sunday afternoon I spend with my family? Please don't tell me. Please don't say that to me. We had the option, DirecTV, we spoke about the fans' choice. They were happy about it and they're like, oh, thanks. Why don't you guys decide the fan games next week? And I'm looking at these.

I'm like, these are garbage. I don't want to decide. Can the fan games be people going apple picking and people returning gifts to best buy that'll be one of the screens you show your family apple picking a wide shot of best buy oh on a we have cincy baltimore and then there's bill at the pumpkin farm here's here's bill here's bill at the batting cage with his son well ravens ravens and uh bangles is awful well the bangles are now the Well Ravens Ravens and Bengals Is awful The Bengals are now the most unwatchable team in the league They lost their only two fun players Bernard and AJ Green

They have no other fun players though I had the Ravens by Can I change my pick because I didn't know Bernard was out for the year What do you care if Bernard's out He's not even I went four and a half but now I want to go five I don't have to. Do what you want.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'll do Ravens four and a half. You win at four and a half, you would have tied at five. I said three. You said three? I said three.

I don't know why. That was dumb. I should have... Yeah, A.J. Green, that's it. But they do have interesting players on defense, like Perfect. These guys could all beat up a fan at any time. You never know.

This is worth watching. All the Bengals have left is to start the best and biggest and most disgusting football melee of the past 12 years. That's really the endgame now for them. It's just protest now. I was thinking about them with the Artest melee. It was the anniversary, and there were some pieces about it online over the weekend.

I was thinking, like, what NFL team could start the art test mainly it's like oh the bengals they've tried five times already this will this will maybe be the season arizona at atlanta oh i like that game there's a good game yeah that's kind of semi-fun that's okay two birds and the falcons by five uh i said four and it's four and a half so maybe that should be higher i don't know trust arizona i don't trust atlanta we're really sure arizona's just gonna roll over for the rest of the season no i guess that they wasn't just a dumb loss to minnesota maybe they step it up for variants or something yeah this is the one that i'm confused by giants and browns. Oh, that's a horrible game.

I don't want to watch one minute of that game. Yeah. Giants by six? Why'd you say, like, I said 11 and a half. I was way off on this. You were right. It's six and a half. Why is it six and a half?

Giants aren't that good? How could anything be less than 14 with the Browns anymore? They lost by 15, 21, and 25 the last three weeks. The Giants had to come from behind to beat the Bears at home. They're just not good. They're a schedule. They're 7-3? That's a schedule 7-3.

They're playing the Browns. You see Kessler? These guys can't get out of their own way. He's not even playing. They can't even score in garbage time. Normally, I would say, let's tease them. I'm never throwing Eli in a tease for the rest of my life. Yeah, I'm never doing it.

I don't trust that guy. It is a weird team because they're just starting to run the ball now. But I think Landon Collins leads the team in sacks. Or maybe before last week, for sure. But I don't know what to make of these guys. Peter King was making a defensive player of the year case for Landon Collins. How is Von Miller not the defensive player of the year every year unless he's hurt?

Yeah. I've never seen anybody destroy offensive lines like that. As long as J.J. Watt's not in the league, yeah. It's Von Miller probably. I've written off J.J. Watt. Speaking of write-offs, Rams. I just said that to hurt Robert Mace. Is this a day game or a night game?

This is still day. This is horrible. The Rams are the most unwatchable team in football. So bad. And why are we not pounding the under in every game? They do just enough to not turn it over, and their defense is good. Todd Gurley should pretend he got hurt. Yeah.

Why waste six games of just going 27 carries for 80 yards? I agree. Just pretend you have, like, that plantar fasciitis. Is it plantar or planar? Plantar. Plantar fasciitis. That's what I would do if I was Todd Gurley. I have plantar fasciitis.

I can't play anymore. That's a good fantasy team name. I'm not doing this. Yeah, become one of the great L.A. actors, Todd Gurley. Just say you're a juror. I can't play anymore. That's a good fantasy team name. I'm not doing this. Become one of the great LA actors, Todd Gurley. Just say you're a juror. I can't play. My foot, I don't know. It's something deep.

I can't figure it out. As far as injuries go, is there anything less threatening than it sounds as punctured lung? Or perforated lung, yeah. Are you kidding me? It sounds like you're going to be dead. Cronk, he might miss a year. He might play this week. I don't understand.

You should be done forever perforated is that a word you ever want associated with your body perforated or punctured i never want it's bad you puncture a balloon it's done it's it it's gonna go kill a dolphin that's it todd girley the reason i said that about girley is we've we have just incredible amounts of evidence now that running backs have about 75 games of carries in them. Yeah. There's outliers like the Curtis Martin types. What's 75 games? I think you went high there.

I mean, it's five years. It's five really good years of just banging the line. And I think like Arian Foster is a good example of. Sure. Oh, now Jamal Charles. Like over and over again, we see it. It's around five good years. Priest Holmes.

All these guys. Priest Holmes, all these guys. Gurley already has a year in the books, and now he's about to waste six of those 75 games. You've got to be smart. I know they're going to keep playing him, but. I had minus six. For which ones?

New Orleans, Rams, and Saints. I had five. All right, I'm going to get it. It's seven. I think they've seen enough of the Rams. Do you want to give your thoughts on Aaron Donald's roughing the passer penalty that swung the game? It's terrible.

See, it didn't even knock him down. When Tannehill's running up the field to spot the ball, like almost immediately, it's not a roughing call, I don't think. It's like stupid. The ref should be allowed to slap him but not throw a flag. I didn't like it. You didn't like the call?

No, I just – It was stupid. The Rams, and this is a Jeff Fisher thing, and it's 10 years now. It's just they do dumb things at the worst possible times. I didn't like the missed field goal either. That cost me. I want Jeff Fisher to stay. I feel the worst possible times. I didn't like the missed field goal either. That cost me. I want Jeff Fisher to stay. I feel the same way about him as I do about the PAT role.

Yeah, it's more fun when Jeff Fisher's trying to go. He's right on pace to go 500 again. He's four and six. We could do a lot better in Jeff Fisher's department and the kicking. It's just nice to know we have an exact median for NFL coaching. He's perfect. It's like Jeff Fisher. You're better or worse than Jeff Fisher.

Sam Fran at Miami. Is this a day for NFL coaching. He's perfect. It's like Jeff Fisher. You better reverse the Jeff Fisher. Sam Fran at Miami. Is this a day game? Yeah, we're not out yet. Wow. There's still another day game after this. This is also a horrible game. Yep. And I have the Dolphins.

I went high. I went 10. 10 for the Dolphins over the 49ers. We both went 10. We both went too high, apparently. It's 8. Okay. Let's tease the Dolphins. Let's tease them We both went 10. We both went too high, apparently. It's 8. Okay. Let's tease the Dolphins.

Let's tease them to 2. You know what happens there. Yeah, let's not do that. No, I think that's a good spot. That's a good one. I wanted to throw, when we were doing teases yesterday, I wanted to put the Dolphins in a 3-teamer with the Pittsburgh and New England. And you thought I was kidding.

I wasn't sure what you said. And you made me feel bad about it, and then I backed off. Your reaction to it was, what? And if it had been 10-0 with four minutes to go, I would have thanked you. You know what? I'll give you the money. No.

No, I didn't feel good about it anyway. I'm like, what am I doing? Why am I teasing Ryan Tannehill? You had the line, Dolphins minus one. I was like, that's not the teased line. And then I was confused. Oh, yeah, I was going to tease them the plus nine. Right.

Yeah. San Diego at Houston, the last early game. Not a great game either. No. I'll be honest. I think I spend the first part of Sunday with my kids. Do you? Yeah. Now keep in mind. Let's take a break. I'm going to call him and tell him. Dad? I think I spend the first part of Sunday with my kids do you yeah

now keep in mind let's take a break I'm gonna call them and tell them dad do you even know how to reach them huh

where are they keep in mind you have Thursday Friday Saturday with them so it's not like good point

it's Sunday you're gonna need some NFL relief I had minus three and a half for Houston I had the Texans by two. And you get it. I get that one.

Because it's one. It's only one. San Diego's a deceiving four and six, and yet every year there's a team like this where it's like, they're four and six, but they're, it's like, they're four and six because they fuck up in the fourth quarter of every game. Right, right.

This isn't like, let's throw out the statistics for a second. This team shoots itself in the foot. Same thing. That's a skill to finish games, and they have the opposite of that game. Right. This isn't like, let's throw out the statistics for a second. This team shoots itself in the foot. Like, that's a skill to finish games and they have the opposite of that skill. I know I'm going to pick this game and I know I'm going to have

a lot on it and I know I'm going to lose and I don't know which side I'm going to. So I'll take fans from either side can sway me if they want to go the other way.

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Tampa's officially frisky. I have Seattle by three and a half and I like Tampa just a tiny bit. I said four and you're going to like Tampa even more at plus six. So I get that one. Oh, okay. That's a little high. So one, two, three, even more at plus six. Oh. So I get that one. Oh, okay. That's all right. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

I think we're tied going into these last four. Great. Carolina at Oakland. Hmm. Oakland by six and a half. I said three and a half, and it is three and a half. Very low. No. Vegas is doing a weird thing and it is three and a half. Very low. No.

Vegas is doing a weird thing with Oakland Lions. They really are. So they think Keekly's going to play? It's even. He's not going to play in that game. Yeah, that would be the difference, right? The Raiders are going to score 40 points on them. Tate, it's just that every game's the last-ditch effort, right, for Carolina?

I think that's adjusted maybe two points because of that. Yeah. I think they can only – I mean, they lost the Chiefs game. That was over, I think. Tate, how many points are the Raiders going to score on Carolina without Luke Kigley? I mean, 30. At least 30, right?

Yeah, I would say 30. Yeah, that was the scariest concussion I've ever – like, reaction. It was a bad one. Like, I think, like, if you had, like, a bad actor say, okay, try to try to uh duplicate a concussion like if you had uh paulie shore try to do it's like the cartoonish look on his face was maddening he reminded me of the guy from the last two seasons of friday night lights matt i think his name is not named that no not matt the guy who was uh who's starting to have

the issues with what position painkillers. I think he was a linebacker. I can't remember now. He looked like the guy. It felt like a Friday Night Lights scene. All right. New England at the Jets. Oh.

You're nervous for this one. No. I just saw your line. You're not nervous for this one. I'm not nervous at all. The Pats by 11. Yeah. I said seven and a half.

It's nine. So I get it. Barely. Oh, that's stupid. We'll run it up in that one. We owe the Jets. You think so? Yeah, we owe the Jets a little.

Yeah. Got a little something extra for the Jets. Let me ask you this. Donald Trump said, quote, Tom Brady is totally innocent of the deflategate. Did you laugh? What did I make you? I appreciated the thoughts of the president-elect

you know there's hundreds and hundreds of pages of the uh what's the report again the uh the wells report the dubious wells report like yeah oh man i don't know i don't know which way to go on this then donald trump says something like i was like oh yeah okay he definitely did it the trump the trump balachek stuff the the Trump-Brady stuff, has presented an interesting conundrum for some Pats fans. You declared war on Hamilton. That might be my favorite tweet. He's like, Hamilton and all this.

Which I hear is highly overrated. It's like, the one thingrated the one thing everyone agrees on Hamilton's great there's never been a counter opinion on Hamilton ever that one person has ever taken the other side he's amazing you have a sense of humor he's great

you don't think he sent Pence there as a distraction because the Trump University thing got settled right? I don't know weird timing right? As a distraction because the Trump University thing got settled. I don't know. Oh, interesting. Weird timing, right? Send Pence to Hamilton.

Right. These guys are smart guys. You kind of know what might happen with Pence going to Hamilton. Turns into a whole weekend. Not a shocker that it unfolded the way it did. Right, right, right. He needed something to tweet about. Happened to be the exact same time the Trump University thing got settled?

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It struck me as odd timing. You know, Jimmy Carter had trouble with hairspray. A lot of the presidents have wage war on these musicals. You should have thought of something after the Owen Three Cousins South Shore thing. You should have thought of some sort. Maybe Brad could have

declared Warren Hamilton. Somebody in your life to distract it. There's no time. You're right. I asked Brad what he was doing for Thanksgiving. He said he's going to spend it with his family and he cannot wait for the political conversations.

He said, we might never see Brad again. I actually was going to come over and say goodbye to Brad. That might be right. There's going to be a fistfight at Brad's table. We never needed these Thursday games more than even this year because we should probably have like all Thursday games this, this year.

I think it's going to be the most tense Thanksgiving across the country that we've ever had. Yeah. Cause they promise you your uncle voted for Trump. Right. He did. Or your grandfather. Someone at that table is lying to you.

Someone at that table was like, thank God for Trump. Yeah. Someone's being too truthful and someone's lying. And there's somebody else at that table who's like, Hillary's a terrible candidate. Yeah. And she deserved to lose. And she was the wrong one. And there's so many landmines at that table.

And the great thing is like the Walmart, I don't know if it's Walmart, but some of the retailers are not opening on Thanksgiving. It's like, are you kidding me? You have to stay open. Please, everyone should be open. You gotta get away from the table. Kansas City at Denver, good Sunday night game.

Are you here for Thanksgiving? I'm around, yep. I'll be here. Who are you most worried about at your Thanksgiving table? Maybe Don Barris. Or audience warm-up guy. He's always a threat.

My friends Ken and Harry will be there. Oh my God. It's going to be interesting, I know. Oh my Lord. All right, so what, Sunday night.

Kansas City at Denver. I have Broncos by three. All right, I get this. it's a three and a half they gave it the hook makes you want to take the Chiefs right extra half point for the Chiefs coming off a loss on the road maybe Vegas thinks they can't score on that defense

maybe I was just in Vegas I should have asked Monday so I win the week you win the week congrats Green Bay at Philly it's a new day for you we could pretend that one of these teams has a chance Monday. So I win the week. You win the week. Congrats. Green Bay at Philly. It's a fresh day. It's a new day for you. We could pretend that one of these teams has a chance to make the playoffs, but it's just not so, I don't think.

Eagles by three. I said Eagles by three also, and that's what it is. So I think the Eagles are good, but they have a flaw, is their receivers really let them down. Aguilar yesterday was just horrible. He really killed them yesterday. And it seems to happen over and over again. And what's funny is they had the receiver. Deshaun Jackson, who's not an all-pro, but he's good. He'll make some plays.

He's been gone for years, though. I know, but they sent him away, and it's just funny. They need somebody like him. And they draft Aguilar to be that guy, and he just stinks. It's always nice to have someone who can stretch the field. They literally drafted the person to be that guy, and they just missed it. These receiver picks over and over again, it just seems like a coin flip. I feel like every week there's a trade rumor involving an Eagles

trying to get a receiver or trading Dor trading or like Doriel green back. They're trying to get them. They're trying to trade. It was like, right. Figure this out by now. Well, that is the trade deadline over.

Yeah, it is. Right. But I'm just, but that's a team that should have traded for a receiver. Cause I think they're good. Like they, they needed some just reliable dude who they could go to on third and

eight. And that's what they don't have. And whence, you know, he sails the ball. Sometimes he does some young QB things, but i think if they had a reliable third down guy they're throwing a zach urtz a lot yesterday and he was good they split up the running yeah i think they had like 100 yards through with four rushers or something but yeah they seem like they play a

road game against a tough team every week don't they it's weird i'm impressed by them i think uh five and five in last place it's a deceiving five and five. They're in these games. Meanwhile, Green Bay, we said they're done. Green Bay is more than done. I mean, I think that's three weeks that Aaron Rodgers has led the team in rushing with 33 yards. But it's their defense. It's despicable.

Defense is bad. And they seem to just shoot themselves in the foot offensively over and over again. So we have 10 minutes. We're going to call house for the Callaway par 3. But quickly, word over Kovalev. Yeah. I was shocked that we won, but not shocked because it's Vegas and you never know. I had it either 6-6 or 7-5. Colville.

No, I had it 7-5 Ward or 6-6. Oh, wow. Those were the two. I don't think Colville have won seven rounds. Oh, see, I don't know. I thought it was 6-6. You could have talked me into 7-5 Ward. But 6-6 just seemed like the logical for what we watched.

And then Kovalev gets the extra point for the knockdown. And it's over. I thought it was going to be 1-14, 1-13. That's it. And then when you hear it three times, 1-14, 1-13, you're like, okay, there's no way one judge saw Ward winning seven rounds. Because you had to, even if you had him winning the last five, you had to have him winning one of one through four, which was tough,

and one of five through seven, which is tough. I thought he, I had him four to three through seven. Kovalev. Yeah. Kovalev up four three. Right. But he also had the hammer with the knockdown. Right.

I thought Ward lost the 10th round which was weird because the judges felt like he he did better in the 10th round than the 12th round i thought he clearly won the 12th round just weird when you have a guy on a run like ward like he has a run he's winning he's doing well in the last five rounds he but to break the run kovalev has to really outscore him in that 10th round. And I do think you're right. I think he might have won the round. He won one of those last three rounds.

Yeah. But it was definitely, I don't see how you give Ward the seventh round unless you gave him basically the last five. I mean, I'm sorry, the seven to five, unless you gave him the last five rounds. Right. And that's, I don't know. Last five. Oh, no, you'd have to give him four like the last five rounds right and that's i don't know last five

oh no you'd have to give four the last five i had them four three down four to three going into the eighth and i was worried i was being generous that it might have actually been five to you i think they gave them the last five i didn't check i think they usually have it but the crowd i was there and they were it was so pro. And that might have just been an America. You think that's long enough too? Bring America together. If it's close, we're giving it to Ward. Judges were American.

If Kovalev wins, he may be. They want two, three fights out of this. And if Kovalev wins, he has the belts. He maybe doesn't offer a rematch. I thought Ward was brilliant. I really thought it was one of the great fights that somebody's had in a while where they just kind of knew they were a little bit outgunned, and they had to figure out as the fight went along how to win it,

which is something he's been really good at his whole career. But he started going to the body to try to take out, to try to sap Kovalev's power a little bit, and it worked. He was scoring on those lunging body shots. Oh, and Kellerman was on it early. But Kovalev, I just just didn't think had the same power the last six rounds and that's why i didn't think you know i was okay with the 114 113 for either guy right but it wasn't a screw job it was probably no it was it was really super close yeah and it's

hard it's like haggard leonard there's fights that happen every once in a while it's like i don't know but that is great towards credit. Like how many times you see a really good boxer get knocked down the second round? It's like, Oh crap. He's now he's going to lose like one 17, one 11.

He, he just found a way. I was worried with that jab he took in the first round. I don't know if you saw that. Just like a straight lefty, hard jab. And he was like, really,

really, uh, flustered by it. It was like, Oh, that's not a good sign and kovalev he just seems so much bigger in those first couple rounds it's so funny that these guys are the same weight and one guy just seems 30 pounds heavier and when you know you've lost in

the strength battle early on that is mentally that's tough to overcome that good job by andre ward boxing so i think Caldwell threw out Leonard Hearns early about how the fight went one way early and then Leonard figured out what to do

and kind of shifted it. Right. Which wasn't as dramatically as when Leonard shifted it because he knocked Hearns down. But I did feel like Ward as it went along,

he figured out exactly how far to stand, when to hold, hitting the body, when to move away from his right. And he's just so smart. Yeah. Really, he's something. It's great to watch. I thought that he was surprised.

We're going to rematch. I thought that he was surprised when he won. I know he denied that he wasn't. Yeah. I thought that camera angle was pretty telling. Well, a lot of people were. And then when they announced it, 114, 113. They didn't see my cover left. But of people were, and then when they announced it, 114, 113.

They didn't see my Kovalev. But then they say, and new. Even then, like, oh, Andre Ward's a favorite. He's the crowd favorite. Like, if it's a new champ, but then, like, everyone put it together late, then it was Kovalev lost. I heard 114, 113. I was like, Kovalev. Yeah, three times.

Because that seemed like the right score. The bottom line is you're not getting that decision in America if you you're russian no sorry you're just not wrong month wrong month sorry you blew it the undercard was horrible it wasn't that good i saw that guy that guy hooker in the in the fight right before who somehow got he was a minus one a four fifth that was a draw right oh it was a highway robbery he got his his ass kicked. He's a big favorite. Yeah. That one. Boxing's so corrupt.

And why don't they have five judges? Just have five. Why do you have three? Well, you'd have to spend another $1,200 or something. Oh, wow. These guys, what do they do all day? I know. And poor Larry Merchant's been off on his scoring for these fights for like five years now.

Larry Merchant? No. Larry Merchant and Kovalev winning like 116 to 111.ard letterman howard letterman me no harry letterman sorry yeah yeah harold sorry larry merchant harold letterman yeah he's like okay jim who do you have the first five rounds for kovalev it was like i don't know if he won the fight the camera was getting mad yeah he's like i respectfully disagree i thought ward won two of those yeah so goldberg lesnar i missed it i'm gonna have to watch today but didn't last long no it's just basically comes out spear spear might have done three spears did the move the suplex move and then just pinned him

he only did one like that's the thing people go to see, the 17 suplex cities. Either Goldberg's body couldn't have held up for a whole match, or they were sending a message to Lesnar with this UFC stuff, with the fact that he went there, the PDs. He's been hurting guys. Like, he hurt Randy Orton. Nobody knows if he went too far when he hurt Randy Orton with the concussion. So there might have been a little, all right, dude. Yeah yeah a little good they can't trust the guy to yeah it's a

little water thrown Brock Lesnar right yeah all right all right buddy you're gonna lose in two minutes right so yeah Goldberg and then he brought his son out after and his son took his shirt off which I was talking to Shoemaker and those guys who were doing our post-camp show it's like why did do we ever find out why goldberg took the shirt off and then and then shoemaker said you know your son never has a shirt on you probably shouldn't talk it's a great point my son definitely if i was goldberg my son definitely would have had a shirt off right and done a whole thing then i was thinking like i probably cheated my son that i wasn't a professional wrestler because like his he wrestler because everything in his life has been leading to him being brought out

to the ring by his dad to pose after a match. Well, there's still time. Okay. Maybe I'll be a manager. You can take, there's a whole bunch of things. Could be a manager.

So yeah, it was a three and a half hour pay-per-view this time. Wow. Which was, usually they go four. Yeah, they go four. They kept it light.

I'm going to call house for the Callaway Part 3. Sal, you have to go. Yeah, let me just plug Cousin Sal's shirt thing. Oh, and three, we're going to post early Thursday.

I'm coming back strong. Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight, Shia LaBeouf, Anna Camp, Green Day, and we have our Red Show tomorrow, Tuesday. Julia Roberts, The Benefit Aids,

Bono, DJ Khalid, Neil Patrick Harris, Brian Flowers. Big, big show. My God. Yeah. A lot of names on that show. All right, Sal. I'm going to give you a very sad good job by you.

Good job. Bad job by me. Good job. You'll be back. We'll get it back there. Say hi to everyone at the Thanksgiving table. Love to House. Thank you.

Happy Thanksgiving. All right. Joe House is on the line. Hey, House, how are you? How do you like me now? How do you like me now? Well, speaking of things we like, let's talk about Sonos.

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because we're going to do the Callaway Part 3, and we're doing all three Thanksgiving games. We went one and two last week on the Callaway Part 3. We agreed on Miami. They saved our butts. I had Arizona. I don't regret the pick. I thinkrizona if they play that game 10 times they probably went eight some stupid stuff happened i don't feel bad about that pick i'm not going to apologize to you america joe house should

apologize you did a bad thing for anything you did a bad thing i told you you did a bad thing when it happened it was the wrong thing i know why did it. You're in some, your picks stink this year, so you're in some reverse jinx thing. I'm not allowing you to pick against Washington again on the Callaway par three. I'm not doing that to Callaway. Callaway deserves better. I know why you did it.

You knew the Packers sucked, and you still took them plus two and a half. The Washington should have scored 50 points in that game. You suck. I'm mad at you. I know you're mad at me. There were a lot of very defensible trend lines suggesting

a Packers performance, including a lot of wise guy action on the Packers. People thought that Washington favored in that spot by that many points was too much. I was on the right side of the wise guys with that one. Listen, you tainted one of the great nights in recent Washington football history,

and nobody's going to remember that because Dan Snyder decided to taint it even further by dancing to Jump Around in the Luxury Suite. And I think it was an intentional move to become an internet gift today. I think he knew what he was doing. I mean, speaking of taint. an intentional move to become an internet gift today. I think he knew what he was doing. I mean, speaking of Kane. By the way, this moment, historical for the Washington professional football team in the last 20 years,

happens to coincide with the ownership of none other than Mr. Jump Around himself. This is the best record that the Deadskins have had through 10 games in 20 years. Is that true? It's true fact. 6-3-1. Think about that for a second. Dan Starter, congratulations.

Right. Wow. Well, I think the funniest thing about all of this will be if they make the NFC title game and lose and then Kirk Cousins leaves and signs with another team. And then all he does is do a press conference where he just says, you like that? And he leaves. That's rude.

My feelings are hurt. Why would he do that? He would do that because you didn't give him a giant contract and he bet on himself and now he can go wherever he wants. Speaking of giant, I think I'm going to look this up right now just to confirm it. I'm pretty

sure the Deadskins and the Giants are the last game of the season. That could be for that last playoff spot in the NFC. Is that true? Hold on, I'm looking. I'm pretty sure. Let's look it up. I'm looking it up for you right now. Yes.

At Washington. That's a great one. And the Deadskins have a pretty good track record over the last handful of years in that last game of the season, you know, playoff berth on the line kind of gig. They've beaten Dallas a couple times

in fact, under those circumstances. Giants are 7-3. They play Cleveland. They're going to go 8-3. Then they're at Pittsburgh, home for Dallas, home for Detroit. I think that's two more losses out of those three. That brings them to five losses at Philly week 16.

That's a, that feels very lossy and they'll either be at five or six losses heading into that at Washington game. You guys have just a Thanksgiving murder. The, the at Dallas three and a half days after you played on a Sunday night. The schedule gods just did not like you. It's like a matter of hours, right?

I think it's unprecedented to go from a Sunday night game where they basically walk off the field at like 1230 in the morning and have to play another professional football game that starts at, what is it, 4 o'clock, 3 o'clock against Dallas? It's outrageous. Has an A team played under less number of hours in between games? It's got to be nearing a record. I have this vague memory of somebody having to play the 9-30 game after a Sunday night game, but don't quote me on that one. Yeah, so I'm going to assume you're going to lose that game,

but who knows because you can throw the ball and make these 70-yard plays every once in a while, so I wouldn going to assume you're going to lose that game, but who knows because you can throw the ball and make these 70-yard plays every once in a while, so I wouldn't rule it out. Then you're at Arizona. Winnable. And then is this true you're also at Philly? How is that possible? Yeah, it's true.

We hosted Philly three weeks ago. You have five of your last – I must have written something down wrong. You can't have five of your last six at home. I mean, on the road. That doesn't make sense. They played a ton of games at home. One, two, three. I wrote one of those down wrong.

Oh, and then you also had the London game, too. Oh, right. Yeah, so basically, if you're within... You beat the Giants already and as long as you're within a win of them and you beat them again

you win the tiebreaker and you're good that's how I look at it it seems like there's gonna be two teams from the NFC East in the playoffs there might be three well the North is only gonna place

one team we think we don't think same for the South yeah the same same for the South? Yeah, the same for the South. And then the West. And same for the West.

Yeah, you might have three. I mean, I would not rule out the Eagles yet, even though they're 5-5. I still think they could flip this pretty quickly, too. They have Green Bay on Monday night this week, and then at Cincy, home for Washington, at Baltimore, Giants, Dallas. That's not an easy run. Not easy. Yeah.

I don't think we'll know for a couple of years. They're still a year away. They need one receiver that can catch the ball. Just one. I don't think you've done an adequate job enjoying this dead skin season. I don't like that you've picked against them every week. I think it's un-American. I think you should be way more

excited. You have nothing else in your sports life to be excited about. The Wizards are terrible. The Wizards are terrible. I tried to tell you they were going to be terrible and you picked it over for them like a dumbass. I did. i believed in them

i don't know how the capitals are doing i can't look at hockey standings until february are they doing all right a little early yet yeah they're doing fine okay they're doing what they should be doing but you should be way more excited about your football team and i don't really i think you hate the owner so much that even when you have a really fun football team which you do this is one of the three or four most fun football teams in the league, you resent the owner so much you can't enjoy it. It felt like at the beginning of the season, I saw so much of the same kind of disarray and disorganization

and not up to the moment. They got blown out by Pittsburgh in the first game. They gave away the Dallas game early on there. I mean, it looked like we might be headed for another 7-9, 8-8 at best kind of season. So I just wasn't ready to invest. The Detroit loss was a tough one. You know, they took the lead and then gave it right back in the last minute.

But they can really move the ball on offense. They're very fun to watch on offense. And Cousins now has his full swagger. He's in full Cousins swag right now. And when he's playing confident like that, and all credit, how about Bill Callahan on the line

with the offensive line? I mean, it's just amazing. There's five guys that if they walked up to me right now, I think only Sheriff is the only guy that I would actually recognize. The other four, I would say, that's a giant human being that I don't recognize. Hogs. Name the names.

Hogs 2.0, baby hogs, modern hogs. Do they have nicknames? They're massive hogs. I mean, they're like twice the size of the hogs. Yeah. They ran that stat last night during the NBC broadcast of how small the hogs actually were. They had Jeff Bostic as 6'2", 245 pounds. I mean, that's everything you want to know about what's wrong with football heading into the second part of this decade.

All your offensive linemen are like 100 pounds heavier than every hog. Yeah, our left tackle is 6'8", 330 pounds. Yeah, I wonder why people are getting hurt. Well, you're not nearly excited enough about the fact that you have a star running back named Fat Rob. Oh, it's just the best thing that could have ever happened. I had this conversation with a pal of mine, a local pal of mine here this morning. All credit to Gruden. On the offensive side of the ball, he's really showing a kind of savvy that has felt like it's been missing really since Joe Gibbs.

They moved on from Matt Jones so quickly. You know, like the second fumble Matt Jones put on the ground, he said, that's it. We don't need a guy that's going to put the ball on the ground. I don't even know where Matt Jones is. He might be in Siberia now. Rob Kelly, a guy that can just hold on to the ball, and he runs north-south hard.

I love Rob. I love Fat Rob. Are you kidding? Fat Rob won my fantasy week for me last week on a 70-yard run, that last one. Congratulations. I'm so excited. I really needed it.

I needed Fat Rob to come through for me, and last one. I'm so excited. I really needed it. I needed Fat Rob to come through for me, and he did. Normally, Fat Rob is Rob Kardashian, and you never really actually count on him in any real way. This Fat Rob actually came through. I think you have a really fun team. You have a lot of weapons.

I like Crowder. Crowder got sneaky good about five weeks ago. We were kind of going on the radar. Like, who's that guy? He's making plays. Jordan Reed. You've got to keep Jordan Reed on the field.

How many concussions has he had? He's had at least three, right? Too many. Yeah. Too many. So that's an X factor. I mean, there's pieces here that would concern me. But the Sean Jackson, Garçon, when you have all those weapons.

You know, Garçon had a nice catch last night. Yeah. Your defense isn't very good a nice catch last night. Yeah. Your defense isn't very good. It's still alive. I thought the Packers. No, defense is smoke and mirrors. The Packers, it was one of those games where if you play that game 10 times, there's probably five different scenarios where they have 38 points.

You know, they had some bad drops and stupid things, but there were guys open. The plays were there. They just didn't make them. Our defense is opportunistic, which is exactly the problem going into Dallas this week. Yeah, I wouldn't have high hopes for that game. That travel schedule is one of the craziest things I've seen in a while.

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I was going to start playing golf again next month because I don't have a TV show anymore. You're available. I'm available. And played basketball. Tate was there with my daughter. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And she was putting on a show.

She's got school season coming up. She hasn't touched a basketball in 11 months and somehow got better, which I can't figure out. But I got excited. I started shooting and started playing. And the next day I can't walk. I'm so old. I'm just so old and broken down.

I'm relieved. I thought I was going to hear about an ankle turn or a jammed thumb where you're going to be on the shelf for a month at least it's just you can't move it's just the old the regular old

old guy syndrome take and vouch I was making making shots I was thinking come back I was like I might have to get

in shape again Tate's like you should come back let's do this you look good in the moment yeah Sunday morning could not walk

terrible idea didn't do anything didn't run. All I did was shoot threes and guard my daughter a couple times. It's for the youth. The basketball is for the youth. It's time for golf, my friend. Time for golf.

Well, I need to start doing PDs. All right, three Thursday games, and we have to agree on all three of these picks. Lions against the Vikings. And that line, I think, is the Lions by, what was it, Tate, three? Yeah, three. I see two and a half. I saw it open at three, and I saw it two and a half.

Who do you like? A couple competing factors. Lions four and one so far this season straight up and against the spread at home. They also have won their last three games on Thanksgiving. On the other hand, the Vikings have a very good record under Mike Zimmer against divisional opponents. Six and three

in division games against the spread. And the Vikings are five and one all time on Thanksgiving. So no discernible trend. To interrupt you, I have the Vikings plus three in this. I mean, I have the line as three. Okay, let's play it at three.

I like the Vikings. I do too. That's where I end up on this. Let's grab the points. I think that their defense looked like their defense yesterday. Things were happening that encouraged me for the future of the Vikings. They were not. They only blitzed.

I saw a little stat. They only blitzed about 10% of the time. They had four sacks on Carson Palmer. I like that trend. I also, at some point, Detroit, them winning at the very end of games in miraculous ways, tends to catch up to a team. So, yeah, let's take the points in Minnesota. The Colts have played a shit sandwich of a schedule.

They basically played the AFC South and all the crappy teams in their division, and the two toughest teams they have played are the eagles which you know that was one of those games the eagles did everything wrong and still almost won and then they beat your uh your skins 20 to 17 in an either or game i don't remember much about that game why didn't you score more than 17 points against detroit i i have no idea. It was back when Cousins was still in a little bit of a funk. They couldn't move the ball at all. Jordan Reed missed the game

with a concussion. Pre-fat Rob? No fat Rob yet? Yeah, pre-fat Rob. They were still in search of the dead skin. So they kind of lucked out with the timing. I'm just not sold on the Lions. You said the Colts. You meant the Lions. I meant the Lions.

I got confused. I flipped over to the Colts real quick. No, we're talking about the Lions. My bad. Yeah, the Lions. All right. Vikings plus three. That's our first one.

Second one. The Deadskins getting seven in Dallas. Seven points now. Just got to take Dallas. I mean, there's no two ways about it. You keep going. I've gone against Dallas probably half the times this season, and they just cover every week.

I thought for sure the Ravens at seven and a half, you know, the most formidable defense Dallas has faced all season long. And honestly, Baltimore played well enough to cover that seven and a half nut. God damn, Joe Flacco stinks. Why does he stink so much? He sucks. How many of those passes where that West Coast-style rhythm pass where the slot guy, the guy comes out of the slot

or a back comes out of the backfield, is he going to overthrow or underthrow at this point in his career? It's inexplicable. It's more inexplicable that he's so good in the playoffs and that he's so terrifying to Patriot fans and that he won a Super Bowl. It's almost like there's two Joe Flacos. I think I wrote that column once.

I have vague memory of writing the two Flacos. So can we talk about this some more? Because I think we should take the washington professional football team and grab the points no well here's why what's the theory because you can throw the ball and even if you're down 14 with four minutes left you can still get a cheap touchdown you know you said the problem i have is could has an underwhelming defense. It's not a defense that instills fear. The problem is they control the ball so much.

They go on these long, long, long drives, 16-play, 17-play, 8-minute drives, and you have the ball so little if you're a team like the Deadskins. The Deadskins' defenses is exactly the wrong formula against this dallas ball control offense to me elliot might have you know zeke might go for you know 190 yards so just gonna pound pound pound them then and it's only a touchdown that's if it was seven and a half i might consider it but six and a half or seven well guess what i have some bad news for you. About ten minutes ago I told you you weren't allowed to take any Washington

games in the Callaway Par 3. So your opinion is voided. Your opinion does not matter. It's been invalidated by your weeks and weeks of serial abuse with Washington. I'm taking plus seven for us on our behalf. That's against plus seven. Yeah on our behalf. Baskin's plus seven. Yeah, because here's the thing. They might win the game, who the hell knows.

Or cheap touchdown. Okay. They're designed for the cheap touchdown. It would be the generous thing for Dallas to do. You know, up by 14 with four minutes left. The generous thing would be to allow a late touchdown. Or by 13. Who the hell knows?

You know, the only thing that worries me is I hate taking a team off a great win. Dallas has a whole bunch of great wins. I know. Hold on. Let me look at this some more. That game would never have felt in doubt. That Baltimore. It was an ass kicking.

You beat the Vikings. You beat the terrible Packers. You tied the Bengals. You lost to the Lions. You beat the Eagles. You barely beat the Ravens. You beat the Browns. You beat the Giants.

Ooh, you played the Cowboys twice close in the last game. Forgot about that. The Detskins should have won that game. They were tough. All right, we're taking Washington. Second division game. This will be close. It'll be a good one.

All right, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis. The line is Pittsburgh. Is that right? Pittsburgh by three. Okay. I'm just never taking the Colts. I've watched them way too much this season i don't understand how they're good um i see holes all over the field luck is under duress

all the time i just don't get it taking the steelers unless you want to talk me out of it well there's some some this is a a real true force, immovable object game from a trend point of view. Okay. Are you aware that the Colts have never lost on Thanksgiving? And are you aware that since 1970, the Steelers are 0-5 straight up on Thanksgiving Day? Okay. And are you aware that since 2012 Andrew Luck's rookie season, the Colts are 9-1 against the spread when they're home dogs?

Okay. Are you aware that there's going to be 20,000 Steelers fans there? Here's the other side of it. The Steelers in primetime have been murdering teams. The average score of the last three primetime games for the Steelers, 42-13. Ben Roethlisberger has loved playing the Colts. The last two times he's gone up against the Colts,

he has thrown for 364 yards with four touchdowns and 522 yards and six touchdowns. You left out the part that the Steelers need this game more than the Colts do. The Colts are in that crap division. There's no must win with this game. With the Steelers, they can't throw games away. They have to win this game. Listen, I look at it this way.

It's Thursday night. You and I have both eaten 20 pounds of turkey and a whole bunch of stuff. We've had dessert. This game comes on, West Coast time. I won't be hungry yet, but East Coast time you will be. It's right around 8.30. You'll probably be wanting to eat again.

It'll be second meal time. What quarterback scares you more, Luck or Roethlisberger? For me, it's Roethlisberger. I'm just scared of Roethlisberger. Luck and Hilton in the Dome, I'm going to feel like a moron. I'm going to go along with you because at the end of the day when I'm

sitting there, you just described it perfectly. I'm on the couch. My pants are half unbuttoned and maybe even halfway down at this point. And I'm watching this. I don't want to root for the Colts. I don't want to be Thursday night fat in the belly and having to root for the Colts. I just don't like it.

And Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown. I don't want to go against those guys on Thursday night. Me either. Me either. You know what's going to happen? They're going to win by two. And we're just going to send Andrew a text to each other. The Steelers are going to win.

And I'm going to write, you F-face, you made me take the Steelers. Let's take the Steelers. We're in agreement. We're taking all the road teams, which feels like a red flag. That's dumb. That's terrible. That feels like a red flag. Yeah.

Maybe we should take Dallas. Should I flip that Dallas pick? Yes. They're going to win and cover. What do you think, Tate? Yeah, I'll say Dallas. All right. We're not taking three road cover. What do you think, Tate? Yeah, I'll say Dallas. All right. We're not taking three road teams.

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this week I think it's going to depend on tomorrow we might we might not if we don't happy holidays everybody happy holidays to you House

I look forward to texting you to see how much you ate this weekend happy Thanksgiving my favorite very favorite holiday of the year I was going to say

there's no doubt what your favorite holiday of the year is it's the one say, there's no doubt what your favorite holiday of the year is. It's the one where everybody eats to the point of they want to vomit. Thanksgiving. Woo! All right. Thanks, House. Talk to you soon.

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