The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 167: Bill Burr

Episode Date: January 25, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by comedian and fellow Bostonian Bill Burr to discuss the joys of parenthood (6:00), Wayne Gretzky's interview style (11:00), the "Big Bad Bruins" (15:00), NBA rivalries (20:00), the Mount Rushmore of TV actors (25:00), Lakers fans claiming Minneapolis titles (33:00), the Belichick-Brady era (37:00), Michael Jackson's impact on the Pats' ownership (45:00), PED usage in sports (49:00), Super Bowl LI (54:00), and Derek Jeter's majesty (1:02:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We tied after 18 holes on the Desert Island course. We decided to do a two-hole playoff or as many holes until somebody won. And in hole 20, I choked. I flat-out choked. I knocked one in the water, and he birdied, and I parred. And Dave Jacoby is now your Golden Tee champion until I can take the title back.

Listen, I'm very sorry for all my fans out there. I'm very, very sorry. I let everyone down. I just lost my focus. And now that title belt is in LA Live, and it's gnawing away at me, and I'm going to do better. I promise. You have my word.

I'm going to get that title back. Bill Burr coming up. Let's go. Wow. In the office slash studio. New dad. That's right. Welcome to the dad club. It's such a great club.

It is. It's a club of no sleep. Yeah, it's been awesome. It's a club of doing nothing for four months as your wife does everything, and then eventually you become important. Have you ever felt so useless? Oh, it's worse. I just say on a loop, can I get you anything?

What do you need? I have like a cooler downstairs where the bedroom is, and I got it filled up with all drinks, snacks, all of that stuff. I've been cooking up a store. Unfortunately, a lot of my friends, my buddy Andrew helps me with my podcast. He made a big pot of meatballs and stuff, which have been so killer. Everybody wants to buy your clothes and toys. It's just food is the one. So it's just like, I just throw those in a pot, heat them up, throw a little Parmesan on them. And it's just, it's yeah. When you're trying to go in between napping and freaking out uh baby crying type of stuff that's great stuff to have

so but it's been fun you're basically like a third string quarterback you're holding the clipboard during the games but it's not game time though it's more like practice where it's just like you're getting a couple of reps you know when you hold a kid yeah like you're actually getting in the game on sunday you know you're not yeah and uh you know maybe get and say you want another towel you want a water bottle that's a lot of that what can i do tell me anything yeah yeah so i have a uh how new found like respect and love for my wife it's been it's been amazing just five days of it childbirth alone is respect for life and then everything after i was saying

those people could talk trash to a woman as far as like pain is like maybe those ufc guys but only the ones who don't tap out when they're like getting their elbow dislocated like the gracies could be like oh you went through birth okay and even they'd have to be like okay well that that's it was uh it was uh yeah it was something else it was something else man she uh yeah, it was something else. It was something else, man. She, yeah, I was joking that I now understand why I lose so many arguments to my wife. I didn't realize she was that level of tough. So it's great. They are the toughest. And it's funny, like I'm an only child.

So from an ego standpoint, the first 10 weeks of just being useless, you know, it's like, wow, I really thought it'd be more important. And then as soon as the baby can see, that's the other they're blind for like two months basically they can only see like colors and stuff and then when they see you and they're like hey it's that guy that guy yeah hey i like that guy and then you're just your heart melts and then from that moment on they have you more yeah i'm telling you that first time they look at you and they're like hey that guy i like that guy's all right with me That guy is the guy who gets me stuff. I like his smell. It's great.

I'm excited to see how it trickles into your comedy. Oh, it definitely will. It definitely will. But I'm not going to be the dad comic going, so I'm burping a baby. Right. And of course, whenever you put the burp thing, you know it's going down your shirt. I mean, everybody has done all of those. And I fortunately I waited long enough to have a kid to realize how annoying how truly annoying parents are. Yeah. And just they're all knowing and everything is so damn important. And then like, like, what's so funny about it's the most amazing experience you can have, but pretty much everybody has it. So what you're talking about is the most amazing thing, yet one of the most calming things that people get to experience,

if you're lucky enough, you know? And they sit there talking like they're that Neil deGrasse Tyson guy. It's just like, dude, and everybody's got all these theories and stuff. And I really learned to just, I was just like, these people are crazy. Who I really like to tell that me and my wife were having a kid were people who didn't have kids. Because they would just be like, oh, really? Oh, man, I'm so happy for you. That's great. And they'd leave it at that.

Parents were like, okay, you're having a kid. I'll tell you right now. This is what you need. And blah, blah, blah. And it's just like just superimposing their experience onto you. And I found myself. Did you have people in your life pushing you to have kids because i was always suspect of those people um because i always felt like no being a parent isn't easy right so i always felt like they had ulterior motives because

they wanted more people to be a little bit miserable like they are there was a there's a certain percentage of parents that on as much as they love their kids, resent them. That's no question. And I would get this vibe from people where it was just like, oh, yeah, hey, no more this, no more that, no more blah, blah, blah. And I was just kind of thinking, like, that's what you got out of being a parent was the fact you couldn't do blow anymore on a random Thursday. I mean, it's kind of good the kid took that away. No, you don't. Well, how long have you been with your wife?

Oh, geez. A while. We've been well over 10 years. Yeah. Because that part is a little weird to get used to where you have this anchor now. Yeah. So it's- I personally love it though.

Oh, I actually like it too because I like being home. So it was like an excuse for me to be home. But I think most people- because I like being home. So it was like an excuse for me to be home. But I think most people – I like the whole thing. I actually really enjoy changing diapers, especially because it makes me feel like I'm doing something. Right. And then it's the best once –

How about swaddling? Have you gotten into swaddling yet? My swaddle game is – Good swaddle game. I got it at about 90%. I'm almost ready for the regular season. It was at – When we brought her home, it was at like a 60.

And I just – When it was, it. It was at, we brought her home, it was like a 60. And I just, what it was, was I was afraid of the baby. So I didn't want to go too tight or anything. And they're just squirming all around. And then the whole thing comes apart. Then it's coming up, up around their face.

And you're worried they're not going to be able to breathe. You know, that first night when you got them in the, in the bassinet there, I mean, it's like every three seconds, just waking up, making sure they're still breathing. It's really like, like I actually had her on my stomach, my mean, it's like every three seconds, just waking up, making sure they're still breathing.

It's really like, like I actually had her on my stomach, my chest, and my wife's going, that's actually not safe. But I was only half asleep and like every 10 breaths, I would stop breathing to see if I could feel her chest moving in and out. When can we expect the stage photo of you pretending to be asleep with the baby on your chest that I see on Facebook all the time from some of my friends you know who you are who do those yeah yeah no i was knowing somebody's fake asleep with their baby on their chest yeah no no i'm not i don't get people who post pictures of their babies i mean on on facebook or their children i don't get people who like on the back i did a joke about this on the back of their car they have the stick figures dad mom three kids and a pet and it's like literally serial killer behind you knows like everything that's on the menu you know what i mean

it's just like why would you put that level of information out there like i don't i don't do any of that type of stuff and uh i think especially now i think it's really hard for like like the level of innocence that i had until like 11 or 12 was insane compared to nowadays. As far as like the level of cursing. Well, I mean, I heard a lot of cursing in my house. But I'm just saying like as far as like just inundated with the stuff that they can see. They're like these kids nowadays, by the time they're like nine, it's like they worked on the vice squad for like 20 years. They're like grizzled vets so i'm hoping as much as i can to try to uh

you know to try to like just i don't know i just i'm trying i want to bring back some old stuff like i want to play catch with my kid i want to i want to do stuff like that and uh be outside yeah oh catch is the greatest catch it's a novel concept catch is the greatest anyone play catch with their kids anymore i think catch you know what's great. Catch, it's a novel concept. Catch is the greatest. Does anyone play catch with their kids anymore? No, catch, you know what's great about catch is it's a subtle way to talk to your kid, I think, and find out what's going on in their life. You can just, you know, because you're doing another activity. It's like hitting on a chick at the gym versus doing it at a meat market.

They're in like a dance club. They got their guard up. Hey, are you going to get your drink? Like, they got that. But, you know, you're doing doing a common activity you know what i mean that's what club soccer has turned into for me with my daughter who's now 11 and a half when we drive to a tournament i have her trapped and i take her phone and she's in the car next to me for over an hour and i just fire questions and i try to find out what's going on in the sixth

grade who likes who do these girls still getting along and they eventually they break they start to go because they got nothing else to do it's like

you know what it is it's like your first 48 with your kid like trying to get him to confess so I got a lot of work to do on myself

to be honest with you I really got to make sure that I don't I don't want to be the flipping out like the level that I had lack of control

of my emotions I don't want to do that I will definitely save the level that I had lack of control of my emotions. I don't want to do that. I will definitely save that for my stand-up act and that type of thing. But like I said, I'm old enough now to know what an idiot I am. And I've also lived long enough that I've seen comedians that do what I do. And it's ruined their... And then when somebody has a kid, they decide that, oh, now I'm going to work totally clean and I'm going to start wearing sweaters and I'm going to literally completely get away from...

You'd never do that. No, I couldn't. You can't. I am wearing a sweater now. You are who you are. Maybe it's happening. Yeah, I am. Here's the only advice I would give you.

What's that? Not that you asked. About the... No, if you were a jerk with advice, before you even turned on the mic, you would have jerk with advice you would before you even turned on the mic you would have been like no this is

this is great advice though daddy daycare stuff no there's there's a stage with macaroni and cheese and like chicken fingers and I forget how old it is it's after

obviously they get some teeth right and they never finish it and and this is when the dads put on like eight to ten pounds because

as a male you see mac and cheese. Yeah. And you, well, really? Then you're not going to eat all that. And you start and it just adds up. So just be careful because you're on television and stuff. I don't know.

I just don't want to be like, I gained eight pounds. I don't know what happened. It's like all that mac and cheese, you're just pulling left and right. You won't even realize you're doing it. I had a buddy of mine did that. He would have make himself a couple couple eggs and had two, three kids and make them eggs and then finish the eggs that they didn't have. You didn't have seven eggs.

But also, like, our age group, you were raised not to waste. My mother was always like, it was that classic Carlin bit. Do you want this before I throw it out? Like, I remember when the first time I heard Carlin did some sort of bit like that, I called my mother into the room. I was like, you gotta see. I think we had a VCR at that point so I was able to rewind it

it was so long ago and she laughed but that was so funny do you want to eat this before I throw it out it's literally going bad and it's got like another six hours where it's still going to be edible and your mother would just be handing it to you we used to like hide food and stuff hide it behind the

stereo and pretend like you ate it because my mother was just such a stickler for finishing it all um the last time i saw you we were with the great one rain gretzky and we did uh an interview and i think he i think he does a lot of that stuff and he was kind of on legendary hockey player autopilot a little bit in the beginning and then you went in and you were funny and you could just see him like oh okay this is gonna be and then he just like this the hockey player Wayne Gretzky personality came out that both of us were dying for it was great I had so much fun I love when he said I like the fights too I just didn't want to be in it I thought that was cool and uh it was funny when funny when we were backstage waiting to go on,

I couldn't believe I was talking to him. And I was like, yeah, so I guess we're going to be talking about what's wrong with hockey. And he kind of went into that, you know, because he has to be like, he has a real responsibility to sell the game. So he started, well, you know, there's some Southern teams and blah, blah, blah, blah. I just interrupted and I went like, there's nothing wrong with the game. And he looked at me and he goes, there's nothing wrong with it. No.

There isn't. The game's the game. It is. It's like the wire. It's never going to change. It is, but's nothing wrong with the game. And he looked at me and he goes, there's nothing wrong with it. No. There isn't. The game's the game. It is. It's like the wire. It's never going to change. It is, but they're messing with it. Like this year I was talking on, I was on this podcast, Puck Off. Joe Bartnick has this podcast.

Puck Off. Yeah, it's great. It's a great name. No, no. Top 10 podcast, Dave. Yeah, yeah. It's all about like hockey and stuff. And like he knows the game.

Like he can actually watch the games. Like you can fast forward at number two and he can still call out the second assists on highlights i mean he's unbelievable so we were uh we were talking about it yesterday on as far as like this year like the referees have just been jumping into fights like you have to fight behind the play now or they're really trying to get in there yeah yeah and it's it's it's a bad move man because they've done all of this stuff to try to you know there's nothing wrong with just like being one of the top four and it's just that's not how corporations view it they just so they're gonna try to it's like you ever have a band that you love and their first two albums are killer yeah and then they just

gradually start going more and more mainstream more mainstream because they're trying to get more and more fans and then but they come out the other side you're like what is this this isn't what it was this is what hooked me yeah speaking of which i was downloading uh remember the romantics yeah from the 80s that that first album that album they have where they're dressed all in the red suits legendary album killer killer killer riffs just a great band and by the time they got to like talking in your sleep and they had like you know the echo on the singing and their hair was all teased up and uh that was right around the time their drummer left he was one of my favorite drums very like underrated guy jimmy marinos and uh and he was just had the vibe he was total rock star and

um i remember being upset when in high school, I can't believe that guy left. That guy was like, you know, because he sang What I Like About You and everything. Yeah. But now looking back, it was like, yeah, no, he kind of picked a good time. He saw the writing on the wall. Yeah. But, I mean, that takes a lot of balls, though, you know, because you're starting to really make money, you know. More and more screaming girls in the crowd.

They're getting younger and younger. And you're like, oh, God god we're really selling our souls i think that gets to a point with like a band like that where you just can't pull the ripcord anymore and you just have to totally steer into it knowing that it's all going to be over within three years and just buy a house and pay it off during that time and just hope you can live off residuals i think pearl jam who i love who have you know who have the song that starts the podcast, after their second album, I think Eddie Vedder went the other way.

He's like, I see where this is going. I don't want this. We're going to do some albums and maybe try to drive away some of these. Which is funny because I didn't like Pearl Jam at first, and then by their third album, I was like, these guys are good. These guys keep getting better.

So I liked the direction. they kept refining the sound and what was that when it came out was it was it not vitality vitality yeah that's the one i got when i when i first got it yeah that wasn't into 10 yeah yeah 10 was first then then i think versus then vitality yeah but um no we were talking about hockey the fighting thing the thing that's frustrating about it for me is, and I get why they're trying to police it and crack down, but in the playoffs, nobody fights. The dirty secret about fighting is, like, it's really like a first half of the month season

and guys trying to throw their weight around. But by the time we hit the playoff, nobody wants to, like, get the instigator penalty or any of that of that stuff no that's the quickest way down to the minors and it's just oh yeah it's so competitive it's so fast i can't believe like i watched um i was watching some i i'm like the king of going on and watching like games i saw already like 20 years ago and i was watching this thing on uh i forget what game i was watching. Oh, first I was watching Billy Smith, you know, hacking guys with the Islanders in the early 80s. The best.

And I was just like, I can't believe how small and how slow everybody looks. And then even in the 90s, they look small. It's unbelievable. And, like, I thought by the time we got to the 90s, like, that human beings had reached, like, okay, you can't get bigger. You can't get faster and all that. And I just think taking the red line out, no more two-line passes. Like, guys, it's like anybody who was sort of crafty kind of got like –

you remember those guys that are like the butch goring types, you know, had like the helmet that they painted 50 different colors for every team that they went to. And you just always, how does that guy get open? How does he – like he's just this little guy out there. And then there was always the guys that could really fly around. But now it's just everybody seems to have, like, Theo Fleury speed out there.

Even, like, the big guys. Like, how fast these guys go up and down the ice and how big they are. I'm also amazed by the size of some of the guys. And that's why, like, I still have King's season tickets. Going, you go to the game and there's some defenseman he's like six nine yeah and they can turn and it was six nine but agile they would come at you like a truck and if you could just sidestep they keep going and like plow into the first three rows and now yeah they like the size they were like

old school robots where robots couldn't move and now these new ones have like lateral movement like that's what they've what they've become and yeah it's a really it's a scary game I'm with you though I did like something about

maybe partly because that's what the age we grew up with but I like the fact that Wayne Cashman was still skating around in an advanced age

with like a little bit of a beer belly ready to scrap but you know you watch him go bald he didn't even have the helmet he just the long the long dreadlocks on the back basically he looked like he was in a dad lead by the end of it but then he had like that left hand still at the left but he would by the end he was even losing the fights but he stayed on two more

years and i don't know i miss like he was god that guy was tough those guys from that era it was sort of like I came on started watching the Bruins right at the end of the the the generation past the big bad Bruins

right right right me too after Esposito and all of those guys it was like the tail end of Bobby Orr yeah Wensick had just left

and it was Stan Jonathan Terry O'Reilly and and Ray Bork had just come in. Oh, so you were a tiny bit later than me. Yeah, because I'm a little bit older than you. I was like 81. I remember Orr's last solid year barely.

That was my first Bruins year. Oh, yeah, no, no. But you started watching way young. I was like four, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. I was the only child. If it was on television, I was watching. But my parents were baseball and football, so I didn't get exposed to hockey.

Remember the days of just watching an entire baseball game and you didn't have an iPad with you? My brother used to keep score. My brother had a notebook and he watched every single game over the summer. And he would keep score and then he would save them. He'd go back and look at them and stuff. And that was like you're going to the baseball encyclopedia. It was like your notebook and your baseball cards. It's impossible to explain to anyone now that people did that

because now it's all online. There would be no reason to. I'm blown away by people the way – I think you got to play like fantasy to keep up with it because hockey, what I hate is I watch so much of it, but I can barely name anybody's name anymore because everybody's from like Europe or Russia

and they got these crazy names. Yeah. And plus, as you older you get, your short-term memory goes and like I've watched just about every Bruins game this year. You still do.

Nice. I've still watched Bruins and Celtics. I've been watching a lot of Celtics. Celts are very entertaining. It was fun. How fun is that Celtics-Wizards rivalry? Oh my, it's unbelievable.

Yeah. Dressing up in black. Oh, that was silly silly though it was a funeral but but what I liked was um I just like that neither one of us as much as we're doing this we're not going to beat the Cavs unless somebody gets hurt but uh but unless there's a major trade but it's really fun like I'm actually already like the next big game that I'm looking for because we because we keep losing to the Toronto's we keep losing the Cavs we keep we lose to the. Because we keep losing to the Torontos. We keep losing to the Cavs. We lose to the guys who are basically going to be there in the end. So the fact that we got this thing going on with the Wizards is great.

It's almost like the undercard of the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight or something. Yeah, like a surprisingly good fight. Yeah, it's like, oh, great undercard. And that's really where Toronto actually is the team that I think they'd even have more trouble matching up with than Cleveland. So at least Cleveland

has no bench so our bench can kind of rally back a little bit. Toronto is just a nightmare. I didn't like how John Wall flexed after dunking

on Kelly Olenek. That looked like me dunking on my little brother on a Nerf hoop. I mean, really? Do you got to, like, Kelly Olenek, ugh, you know.

I love NBA rivalries and the NBA is just so scared between, like, Kelly will, like, you know. I love NBA rivalries, and the NBA is just so scared between, like, the Rudy Tomjanovich punch 40 years ago to some of the bad boy pistons, Riley's next stuff. Of course, going into the stands was a big thing. And then the Artest melee is the clincher. And they just, and actually the worst thing, the one that never gets mentioned was when Carmelo and the Nuggets,

they had that big fight at MSG, and it spilled into the front row with all the rich. Remember that one? Vaguely remember that. It was like 10 years ago and then Carmelo kind of sucker punched somebody and then backpedaled 50 feet,

which should be mentioned in his Hall of Fame resume when we get there. Like, you did punch somebody and backpedal 55 feet. Hasn't everybody done that in a bar fight? I mean, that is the move.

You throw, you close your eyes a little bit, you throw it, and then you back up. And then you wait till people are holding you back to start leaning forward like, let me at him.

It was a great hold me back. But I think after that, when the people in the front row paying like $4,000 a ticket were in danger, I think that was it. So they just cracked down. Well, they're another corporation,

so I would have thought just even the fear that that would happen without even a letter, I think that they would do that. But I also think that the NBA will be forever scared for what they were right before Bird Magic came in. Oh, yeah. And saved it. Tape-delayed finals and guys doing cocaine before games.

Yep, and all the people being like, you know, where did all the white guys go? That part at least is over. But I just think that they're really nervous about like because they were at a – I mean, I would think – I mean, I don't know enough about the game, especially during that time. But I would think that there was a legit concern about the ABA, I would think, just having a war of sight. Yeah, they ended up merging with them in like 76 partly because of that concern.

But then the next like seven years, there's an amazing Sports Illustrated article about this in like 1979. It's a big feature about basically what's wrong with the NBA. And the thesis is, is the NBA too black? And you just have GMs and people talking about it and the challenges of selling a black league. And it's like these guys are too – like an anonymous GM is like, these guys are – it's just too black right now.

You can't sell the league and you read it and you're like, wow, this feels like it came out in 1882. Yeah, but if you look at it though, if you look at the black and white footage of the Celtics and their opponents when they play it, I mean it looks like a pickup game at the Y. It does. And it's changed so quickly. I don't think that socially people progress nearly at the rate that the game did. Right. We're there now, though. Them actually saying that. Let's just take out that they even were saying it in a racist way.

Like racially, like what they were saying as far as just trying to sell the product. I mean, you have to know what your customer is. And if your customer is, like, I mean, you're talking, like, a 30-something-year-old at that point, like, when he was born and, like, what they saw. I mean, they, like, were around to see, like, when there was, like, you know, whites only, like, parts of the bus and, like, bathrooms and stuff. So for them to be legitimately concerned, forget about an owner who's probably in their 60s. That's something people do a lot when they look back on history. They forget when people were born.

When I watched... Yeah, over 70 should at least be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone over 70 at all times. Well, I saw that movie Hidden Figures. Yeah. And Kevin Costner, who I love, I got to do a movie with him. Amazing guy. over 70 at all times well i watched i saw that movie um hidden figures yeah and uh kevin carsten who i love i got to do a movie with them amazing guy um his character the fact that his character was progressive you know yet was his age like a 60 year old guy a 60 year old guy in the early 60s was born almost in 1900 well how is he more progressive than some of the younger guys on it i mean that can happen

but like that that's the stuff that i always like think about like whenever um you know like especially with the internet now that's like a big thing is going back in time now that everybody knows the air quote right way to think and going like oh what's up with that like like they'll go back like eddie murphy delirious going, all this stuff he said about gay people. And it's like, yeah, and you know what? And everybody laughed. Right. Because that's where everybody was at because people didn't know any better.

And now you look back and the same people who laughed but they're not on tape laughing then get to be like, oh, that's absolutely blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's like, no, that's, it's sort of a barometer of where people were at. There's some, I've watched a lot of Seinfeld over the last couple months because my daughter really likes it and it's on Hulu. And she's always like, put on a Seinfeld, put on a Seinfeld. And there's Seinfeld episodes

where when you watch them through the 2017 prism, you go, oh. Like there's a whole, that was a famous episode. It was the reporter thought George and Jerry were gay. And they kept going not

that there's anything wrong with that but i feel like if you even did that episode now there would be like a yeah but that was even even then like so ahead of its time not that there's anything wrong with that it was indicating where we are now right let's take a quick break to talk about our friends at squarespace they make it easy to build beautiful websites whether you're planning to start a business change careers or launch a creative project in the new year. You know what? Tackle your next move with Squarespace. Widely used by all kinds of people and businesses, Squarespace gives you the ability to create an online platform with which you can make your latest goals into a reality.

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Oh, man. There's another timeless one. I think Ted Knight. Ted Knight, your top television character actors of all time. Ted Knight doing Ted Baxter. John Travolta, Vinnie Barbarino. Right. I'm trying to think of my Mount Rushmore. Henry Winkler doing the Fonz.

Yeah. Because that was not on paper at all. Just as far as when I was growing up. I don't know who my fourth one is, but uh just like unique belong to the era like you know like like the writers wrote it and then this person came in and just took it off the page and just like took it all the way to this whole other level of uh like you always hear this story about henry winkle when he came in to play the fawns they wanted like this big like burly like italian kind of guy that looked like he could throw somebody through the wall. And Henry Winkle came in,

who's smaller than I am. Right. He's like 5'7". But he had the character and just completely blew him away. Having done a little bit of acting work, you gain appreciation so much more. I drive my wife nuts sometimes. I'll be watching

Me TV, and i'll be like look at that none of that is on the page that guy just came up with that or she just came up with that like i'm i'm one of those people i'm blown away by actors like the stuff that they can come up with and uh and i think it's a really disrespected art where everybody thinks they can do it oh totally there's so much modeling is a little like that too where they can just have this smiling charisma thing for like seven hours and somebody's taking a photo. Modeling. Oh yeah.

You know, like just things where you have to do something over and over again for eight hours at the same level. Modeling is exhausting. It seems awful. I don't even know how I can imagine it is. Oh my God. I can't smile for an hour. Yeah.

I've had to do a few just wardrobe fittings for a, for a, Shia, you're going to do this. Let's try on like five different jackets. I swear to God. You become like a little kid at the department store after a while. you're going to do this. Let's try on like five different jackets. I swear to God. You become like a little kid at the department store. I just want to go home. Yeah, it's the worst. The acting though, it's like you read these stories about these directors that make somebody do 35 takes of the same scene. Because they're trying to break them down in some way.

And then take 34 when the person's just lost their minds. Stanley Kubrick in The Shining. He was the most famous one their minds. Oh, Stanley Kubrick in The Shining. He was the most famous one for that. Oh, yeah. I think he's like, Shelley Duvall had like a breakdown by the end of that movie. She just kept making her do stuff over and over again and yelling at her.

And by the end of it, it was like she was being haunted by Jack Nicholson, which is what he wanted. I'm German-Irish. I would totally, I'd be, all right, let's do it. You think you're not going to do it? Right. I joked with my wife one time when she was, I forget what she said she was going to,

I forget what scenario she presented me. And I was just going, she goes, I think you can handle that. And I said, oh, I'm German Irish. There's nothing you can throw at me emotionally that I can't bury. And it's true. I will bury all of it. And it'll just be sitting there hovering right next to me and it'll come out, but it'll come out like when someone, you know, waits till the light turns green to put on their left turn signal and I'm right on their bumper. That's when it comes out. But in the moment, like I'll just sit there and suffer in silence.

It's really a disease. I'm trying, hopefully, not to pass that on. Tom Hagen was German-Irish in The Godfather. The conciliary, right which which godfather and the godfather one remember he goes to see the guy who's who and the horse ends up in his bed and he's like let me tell you something yeah robert duvall he's like let me tell you something you whop or whatever and he's like i'm german irish oh interrupts him so you know you know have you ever seen that house?

It's in L.A., right? It's like a $100 million house. Isn't it? I thought it was like one of the most expensive houses in L.A. It's incredible. I'll show you a picture of it. I don't want to blow up the person's spot where it is. I mean, you can find it online.

You can find anything online. Yeah, it's scary. It's incredible. It's really incredible. So did you know that the All-Star Game is here this weekend in Los Angeles, California for hockey? For hockey, yes. Yes, I did know that. Did you know that the 100 greatest living players are going to be in L.A. doing stuff this weekend?

You know what? It's weird. I knew that, but it didn't dawn on me that they're actually in the city. This is how I knew you had a baby. The only reason why I knew that was because I did Bartnick's puck off and he brought that up. This is how I knew you just had a baby. Because normally, the no baby Bill Burr,

I feel like you would be at this event. Just seeing how you reacted to Gretzky, now you're throwing in 50 other living legends. I know. Those guys like Espo, Bobby Hall with the bad rug. That's going to be great. In basketball in the 80 80s i don't think it will ever be like that was a you know because i i you know when i got to see the gold a golden age of football 70s into the 80s like i think the 80s

the 80s was the greatest sports decade of my life as far as the kinds the people that played and who you got to see you know um we know gretzky lemieux all of those guys there was a golden age of hockey or everything everything the finesse player and some of the greatest fighters yeah and forces all of that stuff in hockey and the and you still had the old school stadiums buffalo had the odd we had the garden there was the Forum. Yeah. I mean, Maple Leaf Gardens, all these places. Joe Lewis Arenas, which is going to be going.

And then you had in basketball, you know, you had Bird Magic into the Bad Boys of Detroit. Football, you had the great quarterbacks. Yeah, into Jordan. And then what I loved about the – what I miss about the NBA is everybody had that seven footer that they were trying to work the ball down. So you knew, you knew who everybody's, you know, you knew Tree Rollins,

you knew Jack Sikma, you knew who the big guys were. Kareem with the sky hook. It's just, it's like that poster you have up on the wall. Like those guys were just, and also it's because I was a kid and you have all those great memories

of coming home, making steakums, right. And then get ready to watch. Stouffer's mac and cheese. Oh yeah. All of that stuff was just the greatest, uh,

much better college hoops back then. Yeah. Marino, Joe Montana. Yeah. Uh, all of those guys, man.

Yeah. I think part of it, because in a lot of ways, like the NBA is probably better now than it was in the 80s from a talent standpoint. But I think the level of just analysis and picking guys apart and talking about them and talking about them, it was much more innocent back then in the 80s. Like Magic melting down in the 84 finals and, you know, he cost them game two and he sucked at the end of game four and in game seven he choked a couple times on the stretch like if that happened in the internet era that's all people would talk about for six months yeah i watched that i don't remember i don't remember

seeing that yeah you made like five bad plays in three games all i remember was just game six we were up by like 18 and we were gonna win it and i was all excited, and then they came back, one of those games. They came back. And then we blew it. I was like, oh, my God, are we going to blow this? And then that was my favorite championship that I saw them win was beating them in 84, and that's my respect for the Lakers, who are the most successful franchise in my lifetime.

They've won the most championships, believe it or not. For some reason, people don't talk about that. But since like 68 when I was born, they've won the most. That's true. See, the Laker fans count the Minnesota titles, which really bothers me. Yeah, and I learned from your book that WBL or DAA... Yeah, there's a lot of chicanery with the

Minnesota titles. But what I like about that, what I like about the... Well, the four of them were in the NBA, so I'll give them that, but what I love about... It fits LA, how everybody's out here, you know, padding their resume, saying they're a director when they're waiting tables and stuff. So, you know, if you somehow, somehow the Minneapolis Lakers won an NBA championship before the NBA existed. I don't know how you do that, but somehow they did it. And then for whatever reason, that flag, well, it makes sense because it's the same franchise hangs in the Staples Center

and do you think the OKC fans should claim the 1979 Seattle Sonics title we won one we won in 79 there's no way they would do that let's say the Lakers moved and they go to Vegas

for whatever reason they go and they leave and then they win a championship there. And what do you think would happen if there was a bunch of Vegas Laker fans, which would be even better that they keep Lakers in Vegas, where they're like, yeah, that's 17, bitches. We got 17. And they walked around with a jacket that had all the banners on the back. What do you think Laker fans would say?

They'd be insane. They would go insane. But that's how it works. Politics works the same way. Like anybody who was for Trump could see how nuts Hillary was. Anybody who was for Hillary could see how nuts Trump was. But, you know, it's very rare that you can kind of look at both of them and be like, yeah, this person did this, this person did that.

Let's try to weigh this out. I'm certainly not good at it. The L.A. Rams and now the L. This person did that. Let's try to weigh this out. I'm certainly not good at it. The LA Rams and now the LA Chargers. We now have two football teams. You're a transplant like I am. Yes. Nobody cared that the Rams were here, really. And now we have the Chargers.

Now there's two football teams that nobody's going to care about. Are you fascinated by this whole story at all? I think we are in the entertainment bubble part of LA out here. Okay. So that we see the not caring. But I went to a game and, dude, there was some great throwback jerseys that people had. I saw Wendell Tyler, Jack Youngblood. I saw a bunch of Dickersons, but he's like their Mickey Mantle.

Any Ferragamos? I saw Vince Ferragamo's I don't think I saw Pat Hayden but like I saw Merlin Olsen, Rosie Greer and they had like the blue with the white and everything I mean personally I think that they should go back to the blue and yellow I think a lot of

LA gets a bad rep for being sports fans because of the Hollywood phonies like us who move out here and look at it for like two seconds and yeah it's a very transport but if you get out to like inland empire you go a little north of here and all that those are like hardcore fans like my favorite person to meet out here is is a lifelong person los angelino that lived out here because they love it out here and i get sick of listening to people bitch about it because it is an amazing place to live it's definitely difficult totally agree yeah so um

i like the life the lifelong dodger fans i think i've met some good ones and you forget like they moved out here in the late 50s or 60 whenever and every red sox fan was a dodger fan in 77 and 78 and 81 god knows we couldn't beat the yankees. We supported it. We couldn't. We were like, hey, we can't do it. We keep choking. Can you guys? I loved when they won in 81 when they finally got them because, like I said, God knows we couldn't beat them. What a sad time for the Red Sox that was when we were rooting for other teams that played

the Yankees and we were rooting for Ray Bork to win the cup on another team and all that stuff. That's why I'm trying to enjoy Brady and Belichick because that's going to happen again because they're going to leave. Belichick's almost 70. How much longer can you... I'd noticed that when

the tuck roll anniversary stuff was going on and they put the entire tuck... We did a we call it the snow game. Snow game oral history 15 years later but then the NFL put the entire game, snow game oral history 15 years later. But then the NFL put the entire game on. So I was like, ah, I got to watch Benataris kick the first game. It's just like such a great moment.

But then afterwards or before or whatever. After the fumble. After the fumble. Yeah. The stupidest rule ever. Maybe at the start of it, they interviewed Belichick and he looks 38 years younger. This was 15 years ago. He looks like he's a 40-year-old man.

That job is brutal. No, if you look at him, if you look at him, I don't know when he's with Cleveland or he's with the Giants when he's really young. He was a really good-looking guy. Yeah.

Really good-looking, like strong. I think he's fucking handsome now. Like a strong, he was, physique was strong. Yeah. I don't know, dude. Oh, did you see that thing on Barstool Sports? Which one? Did you see that thing on barstool sports did you

did you see that video that that kid made of uh you know bronx tale now you can't leave you know when they're in the bar did you see that yes oh my god i don't know who made that but it was uh it was hilarious i remember at grantland we did one right after deflacate with uh with belichick doing the say hello to the bad guy speech from Scarface. You need people like me. Because I do think that's how he feels to some degree. Well, just honestly, the level of nitpicking that goes on, even like with the Steelers, there was a fire alarm pulled.

And then you put on the NFL network and you got Lawrence Taylor going, yeah, we used to find out what the opposing running back, what kind of woman he liked, and we'd order three call girls to go there and try to keep him up all night and everybody's just oh the Giants everything's hilarious everything's hilarious unless we do it so but you just have to take that as a compliment as a sports fan meaning like these people are upset like that's why I love Giants giants giants fans because they never complain about the patriots because they kicked our ass twice they don't have to like nitpick they beat us where everybody else has to be like oh you're just a brady fan boy and they take it outside of the

game look at us objectively you're right yeah no because they didn't like they did this and i gotta be honest with you i actually as a patriots fan i love the giants like i've always i and i love the steelers in the podcast no i i. I just love defensive-minded teams. Yeah. I love watching them. There's nothing better than watching just a defense that's going to shut you down. The way they beat our undefeated team, I thought we legitimately lost that game. I thought they were just more physical than us.

At the offensive line. They just dominated our O-line. And even then, Tom Brady still drove us down. Yeah. We had the lead with three minutes left. He's done it every single time. Every Super Bowl he's ever been in, he's driven down for either the go-ahead, get us in position for a field goal or a touchdown.

And what's crazy to me is that he'll take the, it's part of being the quarterback, but if our defense could have held, I mean, he could have already had five, maybe six. I wouldn't say,

though, in 08. Or you could go the other way and say, we could have lost the Rams game in overtime. Oh, sure we could have,

yeah. I think the Panthers and Eagles were winning those games nine out of 10 times. That Panthers game was tied. The Panthers, it was tied with two minutes left. What's his face?

Who was their quarterback? He had the game of his life. DeLong. DeLong, man, he was not even remotely nervous. I remember when he scored that, he threw that touchdown and he turned around. He was like an 80-yarder.

Yeah, and he turned around. He was talking all kinds of trash. He was shaking his head. And I was just going like, uh-oh. He was in that Vince Young zone before Vince Young, except when he was in the Rose Bowl. Except he didn't win it. And didn't open a steakhouse. I was legitimately, that's part of being an ex-foot I was... And didn't open a steakhouse. I was legitimately...

That's part of being an ex-football player. You got to open a steakhouse. I was legitimately concerned with that. Like the Rams, I was thinking, you know, we had a shot because Belichick was the coordinator. Well, the Rams, all the Boston DNA came in because we had the interception touchdown that they called back on the penalty. That would have ended the game with like 10 minutes left. And then the Rams scored.

And all my Boston I was at that game I just remember Ty Law I remember Ty Law bringing that one back I was sitting in the opposite end they called a little they chipped him

so I was sitting in the end zone where they kicked where Vinny Terry kicked the game winning field goal oh I was in the opposite end zone oh yeah yeah and that TD

he's running toward us and it's gonna end the game and then like the flag down and it was just like oh we're gonna get fucked we're gonna lose again it was like too many men end the game and then like the flag down and it was just like oh we're gonna get fucked we're gonna lose again it was like too many men on the ice and and bucky dan and all those moments were coming together again in this game and i just remember like just not being able

to breathe i remember when they when they won the super bowl the first time yeah to me i was like i was thinking i would have thought i would have seen the red socks win a world series before because you know we're playing that little crappy stadium. Oh, they were the black sheep. We were in the upper deck, the opposite end zone, my brother and my dad. And I just remember they lined up to kick the field goal and it was in the air. Everybody just sort of put their arms out, like, like just touching, you know. Yeah.

Like in front, you know, your mother would put your hand in front of you when you were going to, when she slammed on the brakes, when you didn't put seatbelts on kids. Everybody was doing that on both sides like you were security like oh my god oh my god it went through and i just remember the whole section just like tackled each other and i was actually remember that was my section too worried about my dad like making sure you know he's older guy i didn't want to break his leg or anything and uh and then getting up and the three rams fans that were there two of them had already left and one guy stuck around he said hey good game i said thanks and he left and one guy stuck around. He said, hey, good game. I said, thanks.

And he left. And I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. And I thought for sure that that was... Or there's a flag going down or anything. No, I just thought that we're one and done. Like to me, we won a Super Bowl means the Red Sox are now going to go another 50 years. Yeah.

Celtics will have another draft pick that's going to somehow die tragically. And I just, you know, we were just in that era. We're never going to beat the Yankees. So I'm going to really savor this one. I had no idea that we were going to go on a run. Yeah, the Celtics were like Aaron Rodgers. The Red Sox were like Jordan Rodgers, the one that won the Bachelor, but like kind of, you know, definitely a pseudo black sheep.

And the Patriots were the other Rodgers brother. He was like just excited to be on the Bachelor with his brother. Like just like a full-fledged black sheep. And the Patriots were the other Rogers brother. He was just excited to be on The Bachelor with his brother. Just like a full-fledged black sheep. We'll go Baldwin brothers. He was Danny. He was Danny Baldwin. He's Danny. Who, by the way, is great in Tree's Lounge

if you've never seen it. He's hilarious. Alec was the Celtics. Or the Red Sox, depending on who, if you think it's a baseball. Billy's the Red Sox. Billy's the Red Sox, depending on who, if you think it's a baseball. No, Billy's the Red Sox. Billy's the Red Sox. All right.

And then I think Daniel was. Maybe Billy was the Bruins. I think Billy was the Bruins. I think Steve, depends on what year. It depends on what year you're talking, because Alec was the Bruins in the early 70s. Well, the Patriots were whoever the worst one was. That was the black sheep. I mean, they almost moved.

They were going to go to Hartford. There was a whole piece about it this week. I week about they were like all the way down the road with hartford i was done with them too if they were gonna move i was done i mean i say that i was saying that in anger that i was gonna be like if you guys leave and the funny thing is it's probably just as close as foxborough is if you're leaving boston i mean 90 minutes to hartford seven hours to foxborough i know we used to, when I had season tickets, back when they would let you do this, there was a town just before Foxborough

and we used to park. It was a dead end street. Yeah. And it was the greatest thing because you'd jump on that street that ran parallel to Route 1 and all these suckers were sitting in traffic and we would go through Walpole and all of that

and we'd get all the way over there and we'd go down this dead end street. It was like six houses that all let people park in their yards. And then there was this big, like sort of half a field right near these train tracks. I'm hoping people are going to remember where this is. Excuse me. I just had meatballs, as I described it. We were just trading burps.

And we used to park there and then just get loaded. And then we would walk along the train tracks that go underneath Route 1. Oh, what could go wrong? And then the hardest thing—yeah, I remember being hammered, always looking back for a train. People would be walking on the train tracks, and then you had to walk up that steep slope where the bridge was, where they went over Route 1, and then you'd come up,

and then you'd be on the Sullivan Stadium side. You'd walk underneath it, and then you'd be right up near where the sullivan stadium side you'd walk underneath it and then you'd be right up near where the parking lots were and it was uh it was such a great time it's the greatest place to tailgate but as it got later in the season that walk it was it seemed like it was a 10 mile you left out the metal benches that as the as it got colder in the season it was like sitting on a freaking igloo or aluminum benches yeah, yeah. But that is a medal. I'm being a jerk here. Yeah. I went to the famous Patriots game.

I was six years old, I think. The 1976 Monday Night Football game against the Jets. Naked bootleg? My dad and my Uncle Bob took me. The one I think it ended with, they carried the goal. Was that the one where they carried the goalposts and they got electrocuted? Yeah. We didn't get a Monday Night Football game

for like eight years after that. Yeah, no, we were banned. I was at that game. We were banned. The town of Foxborough banned us from Monday Night Football. From any night games. And then also was the nail in the coffin of bankrupting the Sullivan family

when they had a pay-or-play contract with Michael Jackson. Yeah, it was a disaster. Now, I thought for the whole time because of that one show, they got bankrupted. It was the whole tour. Yeah, a local promoter told me

that what bankrupted them was, now I might be wrong on this, but this is the urban myth that I heard, was when they agreed to promote the tour, which was a huge get for them. They didn't realize how big Michael Jackson's stage was going to be. And he ate up all these seats. Right. And they guaranteed him.

ESPN just did a short on this. Oh, they did. And I didn't know half of it, but I can't remember which solvent it was, but they guaranteed a certain number to the Jacksons. No matter what happens, you get this number. Because they knew they were going to sell out. And then they didn't figure out the stage part, and they just took a bath.

And they had to sell the team. They put up the team in the stadium as collateral for this concert tour. The Jacksons are the reason that Bob Kraft no it isn't it's billy it's whoever made it billy sullivan the billy baldwin of the sullivan family um right if he uh not i'm gonna trash that guy but uh no we can he no those guys are all more successful than me um that just um what's gonna say that they yeah he blew it. The son messed it up. The Jackson's. The lawyer, whoever looked at it, whoever missed that point. But one of the cool things was, though, was they asked him to have a smaller stage. This is the urban myth here.

He's like, I can't do that because Prince will have—because he had this big rivalry with Prince, and he wanted to so outdo him. Right. That was right during the Purple Rain, right after Purple Rain and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so that led—so the Sullivans had to sell. They sold it to Victor Kayyem, who owned, I think, Remington. That went great. I like the company so much, I bought the company.

Right. So we had this whole sexual harassment scandal where they said these horrible things. Zeke Mowat to Lee Solson, the Boston Air reporter, was terrible. And he's making jokes about it at some banquet and everybody's like, you gotta go. Like, even to do that in 91

where you're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, that's how bad it was. Like, think nowadays they'd probably just be He was doing locker room talk live. Live with a microphone

and video. So they sell, he sells to James Orthwine who was running Anheuser-busch who just wanted to move the team to st louis and that was his goal that falls through and craft comes in on his white horse it's like on a team of white horses we were like the jets with less stability the patriots for and that that's why it's just funny now that everybody hates the facts and belichick was gonna he was gonna goick was going to go to the Jets.

He was all set. He was all set. You know what's funny about Jets fans? Yeah. It's like even without their gear on, you see the difference in posture between Jet and Giants fans. Like Giants fans look like they're sitting upright and that type of... Jets fans, they just have like that...

That's like if you're a Jets fan and a Mets fan, you have scoliosis. Yeah, you do. You're just hunched over sadly the whole time. I know, which is why I can never figure out Artie Lang because Artie Lang is a Yankee fan. He should be sitting up more. He should be prouder. Yeah, that should be more.

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I got to be honest with you. The level of overreaction equaled the level of coverage. I mean, it went on for like a year and a half. Right. reaction uh equaled the level of coverage i mean it went on for like a year and a half right and then in the meantime you're seeing stuff like you know the falcons pumping in crowd noise and it's just all considered funny and like you know when people beating their kids and knocking out i mean women in elevators and stuff and it's just like this this went on longer than that yeah this was a bigger fine than that this was a longer fine than that. This was a longer suspension than that. So like personally, you know, I don't think it did. But I also think most of the stuff that goes on is people's resentment for the fact that we're doing well.

Because if you really look at a lot of the stuff that they criticize you for, like I'm noticing as a fan is like, now it goes personal because they can't mess with the rings. They can't mess with the records. And it just starts going like, you know,

you know, Tom Brady's like, you're like boyfriend or something, blah, blah, like do stuff like that. He'll defend anything he does. Yeah.

Yeah. I do. Why are you guys still so angry and blah, blah. It's just like, you guys have completely, it's total capitulation. You can't keep the argument on the field or in the stadium

or at the rink you have to you have to now take it out to like i don't like your shirt right you know why are you always wearing those championship shirts so um i mean we did it with the yankees forever i still do my buddy jacko diehard yankee fan like they won the title in 09 so yeah a rod was on your team he's a cheater like i get it yeah it's fun to like throw asterisks at other fans so i totally get it this is what i say with yankee fans i just say look our roided up guys beat your roided up guys totally it was totally which is why i didn't have a problem with lance armstrong because people were drugging from the front of the race to the back of the race so it's like our doped up guy beat your doped up guy yeah that was a bit i was

doing it was the all-drug olympics 60 miles an hour up and down a mountain for a month straight and not be on something if you look at the pictures of the original uh uh tour de france like the ones in black and white they're riding side by side talking they're smoking cigarettes and stuff and it's like it was sort of like hey we're gonna race when we race you know what i mean can i get a late yeah like i'm sure like i don't know if they had the time trials back then i just i'm of course i'm judging all my history and by one photo that i saw i'm like oh look at this this is the way it is can i get some of that water yeah oh here's my water yeah i think of that now like how naive we are with certain things and then i wonder if it's happening with the sports we have now.

And I'm just being naive. Like I was with Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds. You're like, wow, those guys, it's amazing. They really juiced up the baseballs. Like I went to the home run derby in 99 at Fenway. It's like, wow, these are like golf balls they're using. Like never even occurs to us that this is basically like Ivan Drago going on. Yeah.

All these different baseball guys. occurs to us that this is basically like Ivan Drago going on with all these different baseball guys. Yeah, but here's the thing about that, about a lot of that was the game was in such a horrible place after 94. Yeah, we were all fine with it. Yeah, and we all got robbed of seeing the Expos. That would have been so

great to see them win it. It was a great baseball season. And all those guys were all young on that team, Randy and Pedro and all those guys. Plus it was pre-internet. There wasn't a lot to do. We just got robbed in general anyway. Thank God OJ happened. I always wondered if they won that series, does that keep the Expos

there? That would have been nice. Yeah. And so then the big thing they had to hang their hat on was Cal Ripken breaking Lou Gehrig's streak. That's the one thing that they had. hang their hat on was uh was cal ripken breaking uh lou garrick's streak that's the one thing that they had and i think that once the the steroids started to get out of control which they already were because i thought that you know the oakland a's were kind of ahead of their time with that stuff in the late 80s and it might have been before that right and

i think that all the the owners just looked the other way and i think that they built stadiums that were conducive to it. The same way the NFL has made all of these rules to help. Like, offense sells a game. Like, if you want to sell soccer in this country, have guys start winning 5-4. There's nine goals because we don't know the songs to sing. We don't have the scarves, and it just gets boring after a while. But, like, the casual fan will latch on to it. And I think what happened with baseball was they just – the owners – it just gets boring after a while but like like the casual fan will latch on to it and i think

what happened with baseball was they just they the onus and it's the same way if you're working on a movie and somebody's using everybody everybody knows everybody knows but nobody's gonna say anything right and then everybody acts shocked when something happens like who huh no but um in baseball it's the same thing there's no basketball now the threes there's no way threes are the equivalent of the home run boom in baseball in the late 90s. Everybody making these threes. Fans like the threes. They love Steph Curry making 30-footers.

If I ran a league, I would not do drug testing. I wouldn't. I want to sell the game. And if these guys want to take that stuff, because what's great about all of these guys abusing steroids is they're becoming more and more safe. It's kind of like weed, how when we get legalized, now all of a sudden they can just boil it down to like what gets you high. My brother told me the other day, he took the pill. It's not the part that gets you high. It's just a part of marijuana that makes your muscles relax. He goes, dude, my back was messed up. I

took it. I felt great. I was like, but what'd you feel like the next day he goes no it's fine like whatever was all spasm just totally chilled out like they're doing that with steroids i've said this before like i'm convinced by when you and i get into like our 70s and 80s we're lucky i'm gonna be so righted up oh yeah dude we are gonna be shredded i'm gonna have a full head of hair again we're gonna be running 440s i'm gonna have good eyesight yeah that lasik ice here yeah well you, I'll have it by HGH. Yeah, it's going to be... No, I'm with you. And you can thank all of those guys. And I always thought Barry Bonds was a victim

of the steroid era, where he was the guy, and then everybody else took these things and went past him, and now the president is calling these guys that Barry was better than, and I always thought he was just like, you know... He's trying to catch up. Well, here's me on Reutze. There's 73 home runs. Right.

So, I mean. I'm with you. No, I was watching when Jimmy Snuka died. I went on YouTube and I was looking at some of his old matches and, you know, the steroid guys back then, the steroids weren't good. It's like what you're talking about. So you have these water weight steroid bodies

that just don't exist anymore. Like you don't see the 80 early 80s steroids bodies because the steroids are good and now they strip away the water and it's like everybody's got a lower body fat just rippling muscles yeah we don't know who's on it yeah those are the ones where you just got like hulk muscles yeah and your tendons would like if you went to reach for like some assault shaker like your entire tendon would snap well and that's i mean we've seen athletes that have like their wrist tendon just snaps one day or, you know, when tendons and ligaments start just snapping, it probably means you

might've put on too much muscle on your body. And that's because steroids, as far as what I've overheard in a sports bar was it just, it just builds the muscles, but the tendon stays the same. So then the amount of pressure. You can't build ligaments and tendons beyond a certain point, but you can keep adding muscles to your body. Can you imagine if they,

when they come up with that. Adding, oh, increasing your ligaments? Yeah, that's when someone's going to rip somebody's arm off by accident. They're going to have like a road rage. It'll be like the Phil Hartman at the Olympics. It'll actually have,

somebody's arm might actually come off. Yeah, that could possibly. So how are you feeling about the Super Bowl? I think it's 50 50-50 shot, and I'm not going to buy into all of this hype. I mean, people, you know, when it comes to Vegas, you know, with the Super Bowl,

those are not true football fans. There's a lot of mouth breathers show up, and they bet emblems, and they bet image, and they know Brady, and they know Belichick. I was saying today on our... I did Rich Eisen's show earlier and I was talking about how you know the easiest most biggest gift ever I can't believe I didn't see it I was just so a Patriots fan was the Giants getting 14 or 17 or whatever when we played

them the first time and we just played them a month earlier and they scored like 30 something points and we only won by three or four like how do we get that much better in a month? And what it was is Vegas tries to get money on both sides of the ball. So they were trying to entice people to vote the Giants. And I don't think it would have made me a bad Patriot fan to take that bet. I mean, I've lost so much money like gambling on games and stuff over the years. I mean, that thing was just on a silver platter. So as far as like my gut instincts before I saw the line was definitely take

the Falcons and points if they're dogs, but they picked a great number at three. I thought it was going to be six. Three makes me nervous. I thought there was going to be way more. I would dive on Falcons and six. I'd be all over because people are talking about, and I was thinking people think that this is going to be a shootout.

And it's just like, Super Bowl's never a shootout. I think the defense is like, I don't, I'm too critical of our team, so I can't really objectively look at where our defense is. I always get nervous about our defense. But I always forget about the Falcons' three-headed monster that they got going on offense.

I was really impressed with their defense. I was totally converted in two playoff games. I was on my podcast just going like, yeah, Seattle's been there before. And I know they don't have, you know, the beast mode guy running it in anymore, but like they got Pete Carroll, you know, and they got Sherman. He'll shut down that side of the field. So I'm just like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then they beat Seattle. I was like, oh,

good. They beat Seattle. Good for them. They're going to lose to the Packers. And they just like, now I'm just like, okay, these guys are like, you know, they kind of got that destiny vibe thing going on. And this is really Matt Ryan's year. I mean, he's just playing. He's playing amazing. And I think, you know, okay, so you're going to double Julio Jones,

and then you've got to deal with that running back, too. And then they've got another guy. Like, I'm really bad with the names. They've got that other guy. They've got a secondary receiver that's also. Sanu. Yeah. And Taylor Gabriel.

Yeah. Those guys are, like, playing like all pros too. I think it's going to be – there's a lot of problems to solve. So by no means – and the Falcons are going to totally get to play the whole like, this team in the other locker room, they don't respect us because ESPN is just going to be going like, Brady going for the ring on his thumb. See, I already feel like it's going the other way. I think the Falcons are getting a lot of love.

I hope they do. Which is good. That's good for us. Yeah. That's good for us. I am by no means comfortable at all watching this game. Belichick last week in the great situation of coming off a shitty playoff win, which is when he's at his best. We got to advance against the Texans, but we didn't play well.

Didn't play well. That was horrific. And Belichick, that's his wheelhouse. I knew we were going to play well offensively last week. I didn't think the defense was going to do as much. Well, you knew the O-line, whatever he does to whatever, like the O-line, how bad they were in the Texans game. It was like he got like five new guys or something.

It was incredible. I think it's 55-45. Just from a pure ratio with the Pats. Percentage. I think they're probably even as teams for the most part. But I think it's an advantage to have gone through all the Super Bowl stuff before. And I think people forget that part. Atlanta is new.

Matt Ryan has never been this famous before. They've never had all these people asking for tickets and all these interviews and all the stuff that goes with it i don't think brady it's a machine at this point but i got i i don't the little that i've seen in interviews and stuff i don't think those those guys you just mentioned for the falcons they don't look like they rattle you know i think they they look like they're built for this because they're not like the two types of people that get shook by that are the people who aren't ready for it, which is which is not them. And there's people who are like, you know, they want to put on the Ray Bans. That would be Antonio Brown. Yeah.

And, you know, here's my Facebook live for media day. Yeah. And sign and sign a three picture movie deal. Those are the guys that don't do well during Super Bowl week. But, like, I just—they just seem really focused. I love it. Keep making the Falcons case. It makes me—I don't want people to think the Pats are a slam dunk.

I love the fact that the line was only three. No, there's no such thing as a slam dunk in the playoffs. That's why regular season stats are such BS. I know. Oh, wow, they scored the most points ever by an offense or whatever. It's like, yeah, and probably 12 of their games are people that are not going to make the playoffs. It's like you're not going up against those defenses, and you get to really pad your stats.

I mean, it's pretty disrespectful when a league has that level of parity for me to say that, but I mean, I never get into regular. My thing is, what do you do in January? Those are the ones. It's Eli. say that but i mean i i never get into right my thing is what do you do in january like those are the ones like it's eli eli i swear to god is literally sleepwalking he's bored in in in september somewhere between whenever it gets to that point like hey eli eli wake up buddy buddy you need to win the next seven games to make the playoffs. How many games you got left?

Seven? Eli's hitting the snooze alarm and he's going, oh, I need nine more minutes. And then he just – then he like – he's one of those guys that's like – I don't know what it is about, but the later in the season, the more focused. Like if you ever play the Giants, you want to play them in September. They're just waking up. They look like Keystone cops out there. One of my great friends, Paul Verzi, he's a huge Giant fan. And, like, every year, every year he'll be like, in September,

he goes, yeah, what are we doing? We got a defensive back stick. And he just keeps ripping them. And then all of a sudden, like mid-October, he goes, I don't know, man, they're starting to gel. And then by November, he's like, dude, we're coming. We could do some things. We own you guys.

We've beaten you twice. Yeah. They do own us. That's why I wanted to play them again. It sucks they got knocked out. They didn't. They lost. No, they didn't want it.

I feel like they threw the game. My buddy's like, no, no, Patriots fans were just as scared. It's like, dude, we have nothing to lose. Yeah, we wanted it. 0-2, 0-3, Patriots fans were just as scared. It's like, dude, we have nothing to lose. Yeah, we wanted it. 0-2, 0-3, who cares? It flips the script. The Giants are just better off never playing Belichick and Brady again in the Super Bowl. Just walk off.

It's like a blackjack table. Exactly. Go to your room. Just don't make the Super Bowl until Belichick and Brady are done. Yeah, if I was a Giant fan, I would never want to play the Patriots again in the playoffs just because you want to have that thing. That's what you're risking. All I'm risking is you adding another

30% of trash. If Brady wins his fifth, knock on wood, then he'd be 5-2 with the two losses against the Giants. That's almost worth five Super Bowls for the Giants fans.

If it wasn't for us, Brady would have gone 7-0. the two losses against the Giants. That's like, that's almost worth five Super Bowls for the Giants fans. Yeah. It's like we, if it wasn't for us, Brady would have gone 7-0. It's pretty amazing. Are you one of those guys that say Brady's the greatest of all time already? Or does he need to get the fifth?

I don't think with quarterbacks you can say who the greatest is because the era's changed too much. I almost feel like there's just a short list. But I think he's in the conversation now for just greatest sports career of all time.

I don't know how many people are on that list, but to be able to like, he played his best, he played his best playoff game last Sunday at age 39. He played 34 playoff games. That was the best he's ever played in the playoffs. Like at this point, it's like,

what the fuck is going on? Yeah. I don't know. I'll tell you what, one of the best sports careers uh that i've seen in my life no no derrick jeter wire to wire was good oh it's 3 000 hits he has a walk off i was always scared of him every time he came up every milestone his career was like the end of a tom hanks movie yeah and then and then the way and then just the way he handled off the field.

Yeah. The amount of women. And none of them went psycho on him. No. I so want to believe the gift bag myth. What about the fact he dealt with A-Rod? Soaps and all of those. Oh, and then the greatest thing for just being a sportsman was seeing a rod go to that team just so you, they could be side by side to see the difference of how different ways to

handle the spotlight. Because I've actually softened up on a rod over the years where I kind of look, I look at him and I see a lot of me as far as like, I shouldn't have said that. I should have handled that differently. Like he kind of like he zigs every time he's supposed to zag you know what i mean like uh the stuff that he says he's in his head a lot and i just i kind of like i hate how much of that aspect you know minus the looks in the hall of fame career i see a lot of me and out in a rod hey last question if you see the

monday morning podcast yep bella checks on okay bella check comes on and says you can ask me Last question. If you see the Monday Morning Podcast, Belichick's on. Belichick comes on and says, you can ask me anything. I'll answer any question you want. What would be the one question you want to ask him that would be the most fascinating? Bye. Well, obviously I'd want to ask a sports question, but I know he's so sick of that

and I love the guy so much I'd want him to like me that I would find out what his favorite band was. Oh, interesting. And I would ask him. So he probably likes Bon Jovi. Okay, say he likes Bon Jovi. Yeah. I go, favorite Bon Jovi, like a most underrated Bon Jovi song.

Just to watch him crack a smile. Right, he'd have to answer. Just to see if I could do it. Yeah, just to see if I could do it. This would be my move with Popovich, if I was ever a silent reporter. Popovich is like a huge wine buff. Uh-huh. smile right he'd have to answer he'd be excited yeah just this would be my move with popovich if i was ever a silent reporter popovich is like a huge wine buff uh-huh so when they those poor guys would have to do that greg uh what did you see out of your team in the last quarter

i would just be like greg if you had to compare your team to a barolo from the 1990s what would it be and he'd be so excited he's like oh that's probably like a Rafinha like he'd have to think about it he'd be excited to answer reporters if they knew that if they would learn that information and then get in there I remember I did a uh I did stand up one time at the baseball awards when they've given out their Cy Young and all that yeah and um and I this is how I learned I ran into uh Bernie Williams and I so wanted to be like oh my god what what's it like to play center field for the Yankees what's it like to hit a home run yeah I never did it at the little league what's it like to be in a

stadium that size and just hit it but I didn't and I I just so happened to um have seen him playing guitar with a band and he was really good. Yeah. And so I was legitimately impressed. And I read this thing, and it said he had this musical background. And I'm a frustrated drummer slash musician and all that type of stuff. I'm horrible, but I have such an appreciation for it that when I saw him, like, I don't know, I just asked that question, and he just was like, yeah. And I actually got to talk to him for a minute

and I kind of learned and I used that accidental moment because I was legitimately asking. I wasn't trying to trick him or anything. That now, like, if I go to meet somebody that has done something like that, like the last thing, like you was talking about Robert Duvall earlier.

If you ever meet him, the last thing you want to do is ask him about the horsehead scene or whatever. Right. I would somehow try to figure out whatever else he was into, anything. Talk about the weather, anything other than what's it like to be Robert Duvall.

Right. In 2012, Obama agreed to do a podcast with me. And this was back when people barely, podcasts were going, but it wasn't like it is now. And i think he just wanted to talk sports with somebody for 25 minutes it was really what it came down to it was like i'm so tired of answering the same questions day after day after day i want somebody to come in and ask me about the bulls and michael jordan and what i think about lebron the sadness and relief of leaving that job oh my god the combination i would say more relief than sadness um yeah i can't imagine uh like going like such a difference in

philosophy and and this guy literally saying i'm undoing what you just did it'd be like if he just redid a house yeah and you love the kitchen everything and the guy just goes yeah i'm ripping that out and putting the exact opposite style it it would be like if he just redid a house and you love the kitchen and everything, and the guy just goes, yeah, I'm ripping that out and putting the exact opposite style in. It would be like if somebody took over the pats from Belichick and traded all our draft picks and just started spending a ton of money in free agency. Oh, you have more fierce – I'm trading all of it.

Bill Burr, your Netflix special is at the end of this month. Is this your fourth one that's on Netflix? Because when I went to look at it, you had a whole bunch of them up there. This would be my fifth. This currently- It's your fifth one. Yeah, they currently have three of them up there. Why do you do this?

My first one is not on there right now. So this would be my fifth one that I've done that's ended up there. And this is my- Were you trying to time it for the possible Pat's fifth Super Bowl? Oh, maybe a little serendipity there. Why don't you put a Super Bowl trophy on the bottom of the logo? No, I have no idea. I'm telling you right now, I think this Super Bowl is going to be a little serendipity there. Why don't you put a Super Bowl trophy on the bottom of the logo? No, I have no idea. I'm telling you right now, I think the Super Bowl is going to be a classic.

I really hope it is. I'm hoping it's going to be a classic. I hope so, too. I hope it's a classic that we win. The only thing I don't like about all this sports talk is it turns everything into such a soap opera that you really forget to really just watch the game and try to remember how great it was going to be. Because all the games that I've seen, you know, Marino, Montana,

going up against each other, Staubach and Bradshaw, like that's what you really should be remembering rather than like, what does this say about his legacy? Do you put this guy

in your Mount Rushmore of offensive linemen and all that, just mulching it over and over and over and what's the new angle and like... Or the other one with the...

Were we fair to the Atlanta Falcons? Now that we actually hyped it up, we're now going to go the other way on our own frigging story. It's so stupid. I'm going to be late though, man. I got to run.

Bill Burr, a pleasure. Thank you. Walk your way out. Look for it January 31st on Netflix. Thank you so much for helping me promote this. And I hope the next time you see us, we got five. All right?

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