The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 28: NBA + NFL w/ Joe House

Episode Date: November 20, 2015

HBO's Bill Simmons talks to Joe House about an incredible Warriors-Clippers game, Clipper flaws (8:01 mark), Curry & Draymond (20:00), Curry as an all-timer (29:44), Week 11 NFL picks (36:32), Ben Simmons (55:17), the putrid NFC East (1:06:54) and the abominable 76ers (1:12:11). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I got my buddy Joe House on the line. Oh, Friday rolling. Friday rolling. It's Friday. I went to an awesome basketball game last night. We're mixing it up from now on, House. Good, good. Let's mix it up.

Yeah, we're going NBA first and then NFL picks these last seven weeks. And then when the playoffs start, we'll go NFL first again. But this NBA season's been really good the warriors are the best october november story in a long time i love it i love the fact that the streak is going i can't believe how good that game was last night between the streak and the rivalry this games just shouldn't mean that much in mid-November. I know you were watching. Of course. So it's funny you use the word rivalry because your boy Blake Griffin

in the postgame last night made it clear that he doesn't consider it a rivalry. He was very direct and very candid. The Clippers are not as good as Golden State, so it can't be a rivalry. They can't beat them. I saw he said that. I thought it was the quote that somebody says when they've been beaten down and they don't believe in their team anymore. I didn't agree with it.

First of all, they beat them two springs ago. Spring of 2014, they beat them in a playoff series, so it is a rivalry. It's not like they've never beaten them. Um, well this latest iteration, they haven't been able to, to, um, deal with the equation that, uh, the, the Warriors represent right now. So I'm going to, I'm going to babble for a second. I took my daughter last night. She's 10 and a half. She loves basketball. She plays basketball and soccer. She just spent the last two months playing club soccer, but also

playing basketball for her school team. And they had days where there was games and then she had to go to a two hour soccer practice. So as a reward, I took her to the Warriors game over my wife, who I don't think was totally happy about that decision, just for the record. But my daughter was fired up because my daughter loves Steph Curry. Because there's a little known rule in America right now that all kids under 13 love Steph Curry more than probably anything. I don't know what it is about him, but little kids love Steph Curry. What about middle-aged men? I love them. That's true. Middle-aged men. Who doesn't love Steph Curry? Great point. Who doesn't love Steph Curry? Great point. Everyone loves Steph Curry.

But with little kids, he's like catnip. There's just something about him. And there were, I would say 30 to 35% Warriors fans there last night. And they were loud. How'd they get in the building? StubHub,

SeatGeek. SeatGeek. All those places, all the secondary markets. So, by the way, I'm going to have to delete out the StubHub. Tate, mark that down. We hate StubHub.

SeatGeek. I'm just playing. So, Curry gets two stupid fouls in the first four minutes and has to come out. And my daughter starts freaking out. For some reason, she's really into the game. The Clips take their big lead. They do their whole Clips thing. And I'm like, just wait.

Just wait. Because don't you feel like this Warriors team now is starting to feel a little 80s Lakers, 80s Celtics, mid-90s Bulls-ish, where they're down 20 and you still think they're going to win? I feel like they're there. Yeah, they're there. Yeah, they're there. Yes, they are. So I'm like, just wait.

Just wait. And then the Clips have to do the thing where a couple calls go against them. They react like somebody who's getting a parking ticket who just went in to get a coffee for a minute and comes out and the meter maid's there. They freak out. They get two technicals. Paul Pierce, who's the only real G on this team, who's just looking around like,

what the hell's going on with you guys? He's yelling at Doc Rivers after Doc gets a tech. He pulls all his four teammates on the court over to yell at them and be like, come on, dudes, keep your composure. But that's the great thing about this Clippers team, if you're betting against them, is they can't keep their composure. They just can't.

They can't do it. So, of course, they give away the lead in the fourth quarter. They fall apart. Same Clippers game I've been to 100 times where the offense just bogs down. Blake doesn't know what to do on a double team. Blake, you've been in the league for six years. You don't know what to do on a double team. Blake, you've been in the league for six years. You don't know what to do when there's a second guy throwing it? How does he not

know what to do on the double team? I feel like it looked familiar, but this is a different team. I'm prepared to defend the Clippers. Okay, please do. Please let's hear it. I know it looked just like so many of these that we've seen over the last, let's say, 24 months.

Yeah. But this one had a slightly different kind of character to it as far as I'm concerned. And it was kind of twofold. First of all, the Clippers had absolutely no answer for the small ball lineup that Golden State threw out there. Well, wait a second. They did have an answer. It was just that the coach chose not to employ it. He just stubbornly stuck with the DeAndre Blake thing.

Josh Smith was dying to come into that game in the last six minutes. That's an unknown quantity, right? So there is an answer. You could try and match lineups. But, you know, what are you conceding by going that route? Are you able to defend the Warriors any better by putting out a small ball lineup? Like, who's the Clippers' best small ball lineup? Listen, I've seen enough. It's not just Josh Smith.

It's got to be Stevenson. It's maybe Austin Rivers. Maybe it's CP3 Redick didn't play last night but the thing that I saw in the fourth quarter with the small ball lineup that the Warriors were running out there for the last five and a half minutes

and that was when they won the game what I saw was four guys every single time down the floor on these transition these critical baskets that the Warriors made. Four guys from the Clippers are standing around the lane and not defending the three-pointer in the corner. Well, that's the thing.

First of all, we have a big enough sample size that I'm not sure DeAndre Jordan should ever play crunch time in big games ever. And if you remember in Spurs Game 7 last year, they sat his ass in the last six minutes. When push came to shove, they were like, all right, we have to go with our best team, his free throw shooting, although he made a couple last night. But I just think they're better when he's not on the court in crunch time. It's just a feel from watching them play. The rule is don't go small ball against a team that's mastered small ball. But in this case, the Warriors, the lineup they put out,

Clippers weren't going to be able to stop it defensively. And that was the issue to me. It's like, all right, if you do a little switch at the top of perimeter and you have DeAndre guarding Steph Curry, Steph Curry's going to score, you know? And if they're shooting threes and he's allegedly trying to protect the rim, DeAndre, it doesn't really matter if you have him protecting the rim because they're not, they're not driving to the basket like that.

You know, I just, I don't get it. That's a fair criticism, but that's just one, one player. I mean, the Warriors, but listen to the stats for, for that last five minutes and 41 seconds. Right. They were two for two on twos, five for six on threes, six for six on free throws, and they recorded a test on every one of their made baskets. The ball was flying around.

You know, Redick not playing really hurt. And I just, listen, what is this, year five of DeAndre and Blake together? I just don't think it works If you're trying to win a title I don't see it I don't see it against certain lineups I think it's too much of a disadvantage Well, it doesn't work against this lineup

That's right I think we're in But the whole league is going this way And this is why I didn't think it was the worst thing in the world If they didn't You know, if DeAndre didn't come back For the price tag that he was paying Now, it was bad because he's an asset,

and they were losing an asset with no way to replace it. At least now they can trade him or do whatever they want. But fundamentally, this is a guy that couldn't get on the court for them in Game 7 of the Spurs. But he's like a circumstantial liability. They have to play 82 regular season games, and, you know, they're hoping to play 12 to 20 postseason games. And under certain circumstances, he can't be on the floor. But that doesn't diminish his value to the team over the long haul.

It diminishes his value if they're not ever going to use him any differently than they did the last four years. And that's the part I don't understand. They did a couple things over the summer that I thought they would then use October, November, December, January, to see if they could foster a little bit of a different identity, right? So the Mavs make a big play at DeAndre. They tell him they're going to use him like they used Tyson Chandler

and all these other guys over the last few years, where it's like basically you're 14 feet away. You're constantly rolling to the basket on layups and dunks DeAndre's like this sounds great the Clippers don't even use me offensively this sounds awesome you guys are actually gonna try to try to make me grow as a player somehow changes his mind the Clips bring him back and now they're using him exactly like they used him before and they haven't tried to grow him at all and you know you have somebody like Lance Stevenson on the bench. Either he's a basketball player or he's not.

But if you're not trying to find out in October or November over Austin Rivers, then just wave him or trade him or do whatever. You know? How does he not play over Austin Rivers? What are you doing? Concerning and confounding thing. You just made exactly the point. It's October.

Now is the time to be finding out about these rotations and so forth. If you're going to lose to the Warriors in this way, and it's a tough loss, right? You're up by 23. It's a terrible loss. And you know the onslaught is coming. You're at home. You're trying to break a streak. It's kind of a statement game, which is really weird for a

mid-November game, but October and November is also the time to experiment, and they have all these new assets, some of whom have some genuine playoff chops, like Lance Stevenson has played in meaningful playoff games. Josh Smith saved Houston last year against this very same

Clippers team. Those guys maybe need to see the floor in crunch time just so you get a feel for what you've got with this new iteration of the Clippers. Trotting out the same old, same old, and watching the same result befall your team is, you know, unsatisfactory. I give them a U for last night. If I'm a Warriors fan,

I don't want to see Josh Smith in the last six minutes of that game. Josh, he started out terrible and I think he might have been nervous or whatever. He just couldn't figure out how to fit in. But then, there was a point in that game where he started to look like Josh Smith in the Rockets clip series

last year when he really got going. Just his athleticism and his size. I want to see him and Blake playing together in crunch time of a Clips game in a big game, in a big moment, just to see what it looks like. I know what Blake and DeAndre look like, but there were so many little things that happened in the Clips in that game that I was there. I'm in the same section with a bunch of season ticket holders.

And listening to the reactions they have, it's like Groundhog Day. Austin Rivers isn't a point guard. You can't have him as your backup point guard. The guy doesn't pass. He doesn't try to create for other players. You're basically playing a shooting guard as the backup point guard. You also, they lost Barnes, who was up and down for them. But when you watch a game like last night, Pierce might be too old.

I think Pierce is at the stage now where he's just kind of the old guy. He's the veteran. Occasionally he'll come in and make a couple threes. But I'm not sure you can have him in games like last night anymore. It's not a knock. He can't keep up with that. No, he's just like, he's athletically, he's not the same guy anymore. Yeah, that's true.

And to have him and Crawford out there, I know Redick was hurt, but that was a game to me where you experiment. I also, Tate and I were talking about this before we recorded. Something about Blake, even though he only played 37 minutes, it's like a hard 37 minutes. He always seems tired at the end of these games. He always seems like he's just completely spent as a player. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a seems like.

I think it is. All right, so how do you fix that? Then play him 32 minutes a game. You have Josh Smith. Just play him 16 minutes a half. Try to get him peaking in the fourth quarter he never peaks in the fourth quarter he's always like he's always dead I thought Doc got totally out coached in that game I really Luke Walton was the other coach

it's unfair to say that he got out coached he did the Warriors are always, at this moment, as they're currently constituted, they're a very, very bad matchup for the Clippers if the Clippers insist on trotting out the guys that came out in the fourth quarter. The Clippers might be a different team as the season progresses and as Doc finds rotations that he likes and experiments and finds things that work. But the Clippers can't beat the Warriors as the Warriors are currently constituted. When the Warriors put out that Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Iggy, H. Barnes, Draymond lineup, the Clippers have no answer for that. When the Dubs run that lineup out, the great John Schumann, the statsguyNBA.com, had a

very nice piece this morning about how efficient and devastating that particular lineup is for the Warriors, and how no team in the league has any kind of answer for it. I like this comparison he made. He compared him to the Mariano Rivera. That's

their closer lineup, and it gets the job done. Well, and the biggest difference is H. Barnes went to another level. And I know his stats have been up and down. I know the stats don't totally reflect it, but I thought he disappeared a lot the last couple seasons because he was a young player. That game yesterday, they really needed him. Barkley said it after I watched the postgame show when i got home and uh barnes iguodala and jaymon green were the reasons they won that game because they kept them in the game when steph was in foul trouble he couldn't get in the groove he wasn't going chris paul had the all-time eye of the tiger in that first quarter oh my because jay-z was there

i i was telling like i was talking to my daughter about it and uh and and i was saying oh you know these guys are going to be good tonight because jay-z's there and and she's like i don't understand why does it matter if jay-z's there and i was like well you know you know how how huge jay-z is these guys all idolize jay-z and they're like yeah but they're and she's like yeah but they're all famous too. Why does it matter? And I was like, Zoe, if Jay-Z came to your soccer game this weekend, would you play harder?

And she's like, oh yeah, I'd play. I'd be crazy. I was like, yeah, that's how these guys feel. Jay-Z's at their game. They're excited. So Chris came out and played probably the best quarter of his entire life. I think it was seven for seven.

I don't think it was just Jay-Z, though. No, it was TNT. It's a moment. They're trying to stop a streak. I mean, you know, he's a prideful player. It was awesome. It was a forgot-about-Dre moment. I mean, he came out and was like, hey, y'all forgot about me.

Here's what I can do. It was a forgot-about-Dre crossed with, I'm tired of hearing how great Stephen Curry is. Watch this. Yes, it was. He fouled Steph Curry in that game I'm going to say 230 times. It's the only way you can keep up with him at this point. He treated him the same way

when you watch defensive backs from the 1970s defending receivers. He was so handsy. It was unbelievable. It was like me sophomore year at Holy Cross. And it's smart because the refs are just, they just say to themselves about six minutes in,

like, well, I could either call all of these or not any of them, but there's no middle ground. And I'm just going to start ignoring this and yeah steph was just getting crushed and they and what's great about him and i thought the most important game he ever played was game seven warriors clips in 2014 which i went to when chris paul was still the kind of the alpha dog of that position and just beat the shit out of him for four quarters in that game seven. And Steph kept fighting back and fighting back. And the way he went at him made me think he had a chance to be really special.

And I think I even said that and wrote that afterwards. There's just something about how they went at it that was like, oh, I have to recalibrate my ceiling for this guy. This really showed a chance that he was special. And then you watch him last night. He's entering this Bird Jordan kind of level of confidence on the road that I hate throwing the hyperbole out, but it really isn't any different than what we watched from Bird 30 years ago

where he's just like, I'm on the road. I don't care if this started out badly. I'm going to make shots. It's going to happen. And then you make shots. I heard on some of the silly talk show commentary and the run up to the game, you know, the way that you get at these warriors is by trying to rough them up. And particularly Steph, you knock him off the game. He's impervious to that bullshit. Yeah, he is is he's tough enough and he's seen it all i mean he he's

he's caught the blind shoulders he gets grabbed he gets pulled and and he's still there when it's six minutes left in the game and the shot's got to get knocked down did you see deandre fouled him the words were up three in the last minute. DeAndre got switched on him, and Steph annihilated him on a crossover, beat him, went down on the layup, and DeAndre fouled him from behind, knocked him into the basket support. I think three years ago, Steph's down for like 10 seconds on that play. And this time, he just gets up.

He does that crazy fist pump thing he does you know where he's just like the fire myself up fist pump screaming thing and then just got up and made the free throws i loved it it was great it's like fine knock me into the basket sport i'm gonna get up and i'm gonna stick these two free throws right in your face it was awesome he i think draymond and him the way they feed off each other especially in in these road games, it reminds me, I mean, obviously a different sport, but Ali and Bundini Brown, when you see those old videotapes of them just screaming at each other, they really do fire each other up.

Well, they had the mic last night on Draymond. Oh, they did? Yeah. Did they have to bleep him just the whole time? Well, they were very jud. Did they have to bleep him just the whole time? Well, they were very judicious in the pieces they selected, but the thing that was really impressive, and by the way, they also

had a mic on Austin Rivers, and I just won't make any comment on that. Why? Please comment. You said at first, why? Why? Why would you mic Austin Rivers? Did the mic pick up any of his teammates saying, hey, Austin, feel free to pass i was open i i mean i i i it's incomprehensible almost as incomprehensible as how he has a a job in national basketball association but that's not nice um but the

draymond thing what was so impressive was his leadership right so early in the game when they're getting their ass handed to him and the clips are running them off the floor like just stay on it just keep with it just keep doing what we're doing lots of time left you know and he was really doing a great job of of um that kind of theme um with the the live mic stuff they played last night jaymon is an interesting guy because he always carried himself like he was super important. I remember the first year I did Countdown and he was a lousy three-point shooter his first year.

And I remember saying on one of our shows about how these guys they need more people to step up. These guys are shooting threes that can't make them like Draymond Green. I said something that disparaged his three-point shooting. And he made a couple in a game within the next week and then tweeted at me.

And he was pissed off about it. And then I heard through the grapevine that he was mad about it. And then Jalen heard he was mad at our whole show. And I'm like, this guy's a rookie. But that's who he is. And then the next year, he's making more of them and he's still and then i i saw him he wasn't friendly to me and it was like i love that stuff i that guy him and westbrook they carry themselves the same way it's just giant chip on their

shoulder he's still mad that he got picked in the second round it's probably the greatest thing that could have happened to him right absolutely he's constantly trying to prove that he's not a second round pick but you watched uh when i went back and watched the last three minutes again they showed draymond on the court all the other guys walk off steph curry goes to do his rachel nichols interview and draymond's like the president of a record company he's going down the court side shaking hands with jay-z and all the floyd all these other guys, saying goodbye, thanking everybody for coming. He's just strutting around like he's, you know. He's a politician. He's working the people.

He's a politician slash carries himself like the biggest hip-hop artist in America. He's got that kind of swagger to him, which I love. I'm not kidding. He's a leader. He really is a leader. The emotional, you know, the rightly channeled emotion, and that's what the brilliance of Kerr last year, they found in each other exactly the right way to communicate.

And Kerr has taken all that energy and emotion that Draymond, you know, possesses naturally and directed it in a way that's so positive for the team. And the confidence for Draymond has been paid off tenfold, twentyfold. And the re-signing of him to the extension, the max extension. He deserved it. Yeah, he deserved it. And he's now probably the leader of the team, right? I mean, him and Iggy.

Iggy's the senior counsel. I think Steph's up there, too. I was watching their bench. Steph's in there, too, because I was watching their bench. Well, sure, sure. I'm not demeaning Steph. Yeah. Well, when you have a player who's transcendent on your team, they're always going to be the leader or the co-leader or whatever. But the way they feed off him—and this is why I brought up Bird and I brought up Jordan,

some of these other people. You know, he's got to do it for a few more years. But he has something that i'm not even sure lebron totally had where his teammates are just waiting for him to take over lebron it was lebron is such an unselfish player i don't know wait hold on i'm gonna talk you into this all right lebron was such an unselfish player that it was never totally in him to be the guy who's like, all right, guys, I got this. I'm going to take it over.

What he loves about basketball is being a great teammate and involving everybody and being kind of the facilitator. Like how Magic was. And Magic was the same way where Magic had to kind of teach himself how to be the guy and be like, all right, I got this. You know, I don't know if LeBron ever totally wanted to be that guy, but he kind of begrudgingly became that guy. And that's how Miami ended up winning those titles. Steph's that guy. And the way that the Warriors look at him, you know, they did just kind of wait for him to take over and they wait for him to do something and they wait for him to be magical. And now he's just doing it pretty routinely.

I mean, we were both there for Bird and Jordan. Is it really any different? Yeah, it is interesting. I feel like in a way, Steph's takeover ability is so complementary to the group that he's surrounded by. It has the effect of kind of dragging along Clay and also H. Barnes. Those guys get hot when he gets hot, and the whole team gets hot at the same time. It's true. It's infectious. So devastating.

Steph can take over a game at any given moment because he only needs to make two consecutive shots, and that's really it. And one of them can be a layup, even. But it's really weird to try and compare him to LeBron. I mean, the circumstances of LeBron's career have been so different, and he has had some great takeover moments. He had one against the Celtics.

Yeah, 100%. I think the difference, though, is that LeBron definitely has it. I'm not saying he doesn't. I think the difference, though, is that with LeBron, he's always had to just play that way for four quarters, and there was a consistency to it. He'd get streaky from the outside sometimes, but there wasn't the same type of heat check

kind of cloud lingering over him, ready to rain on the game like there is with Steph. That's true. Especially, I got to say, I just think anyone who loves basketball, who doesn't see the Warrior, I said this last year, you have to go see this guy in person because the shots that he makes, everyone's just glancing at each other in disbelief. You don't even think he's going to get the shot off. And then all of a sudden he's taking a 26-footer with a hand in his face and it swishes.

Well, the thing that I find so remarkable, the dude is my size. I know. Like, I'm 6'3", and a pudgy 205. He's 6'3", and all muscle, maybe 190, 192. Yeah. I mean, the dude, if you bumped into him on the street and didn't recognize his face, he's just a guy. You know what I mean?

Well, and also— Nothing about him says, look at this. This guy, here comes the best player in the NBA down the street right now. Yeah, like with Jordan and LeBron, it was always like my alien test where if you went to the game and you just brought some alien or some foreigner who had never been to a game and you just asked them to pick out who the best player was, they always would have picked out Jordan and LeBron. Yeah.

It's just something about how they carry themselves, the way they look. There's something about They always would have picked out Jordan and LeBron. Yeah. It's just something about how they carry themselves, the way they look. There's just something about them they would have picked out. I don't know if they would pick out Steph Curry until they started watching him do his pregame shooting routine. Right. Zoe and I were watching that last night. Even the shooting routine is insane.

You know, like just his release and how his body doesn't move at all. It's basically just his wrists. And he's just figured out. It's almost like a golfer figuring out how to just replicate the same swing every single time. And he's done that with three-point shooting from up to 30 feet, which makes no sense. That's a great point. The opposing team should be marketing this.

Please come to the game 45 minutes early so you can watch Steph Curry go to his pregame shoot. It's amazing. That's as good as anything you're going to see in the first two quarters of the game. And then the other thing that I think he's really improved, and I'd love to— Hey, people out there who report on this stuff, I'd love to read a piece on this. How has he improved his runner game because i i remember a few years ago there was a story about how he improved like his the steve nash shooting off different feet type of stuff but now there's a whole other level of he has this

lefty bank runner now that nobody in the league has fyi this shot where he where he's dribbling down on his left, sees a big guy coming and just floats this kiss off the glass from like five feet. It's like, what the fuck is that? Nobody does that. You keep doing this. Now this was the WTF moment of the pod this week. We have one WTF

moment a week. He did a play yesterday in the second half. He dribbled under the basket like in hockey. It was like Andrzej Kopitar. He went under the basket, brought the guys with him, then curled around like he was going to shoot a wrist shot, only it was a running floater. It's a nice trick.

And guess what my reaction was? What the fuck was that? Nobody does that. It's like all the stuff Steve Nash Was doing in the Mid 2000's At a way way way way way Higher

Level of artistry That was too many ways I mean come on remember Steve Nash What you just described was a very Nashy play I love Steve Nash You know the other thing with Curry that's incredible Is how hard he plays on Dino. Well,

speaking of infectious, he fights through every screen now. Like, all of them. And his footwork is like, I would say he's an above-average defender. And he's actually a really sneaky good rebounder now, too. This has turned into a Steph Curry jack-off fest. I'm sorry. I know. We did one last week, too.

We have to take it down a notch. But look, a whole other week of validation for all of the up-and-down stroking. Well, I'll tell you this much. If you're making a list of just guys who can just murder a crowd that I've seen in the last 30 years, like Bird could do it. Jordan could do it.

Magic got to that point in the late 80s, although it wasn't totally what he was about. LeBron, obviously. Kobe, no question. Dwayne Wade for a little while there, absolutely. T-Mac, I think he has to be included. I'm sure I'm leaving two, three guys out. But Steph's way up there.

When Steph makes one of those 28-footers and it feels like he's going to get going, the other team gets messed up by it. You can see it. With good reason. Yeah, they're like, oh, shit. Now what do we do? Right, because you know it's coming. It's the best.

I'm just so excited that we have a team like this. They were real stakes last night. And to go 13-0 after winning the last three final games, they're at best 16-game winning streak now. Champions don't come out of a championship with angrier and with more to prove. It never happens. This is the first time it's happened in a long time. Well, they just have to win tonight to tie the record, right?

Who are they playing tonight? They're playing the Bulls. Oh, yeah. In Chicago. That's a good one. Bulls at home. So, yeah. Right, right.

They're back in Golden State. That's right. So my daughter had an awesome time. It was so much fun. It actually, I really feel like it might have been a tipping point for her for going to basketball games. Was she rooting for one team or the other? Oh, my gosh. She was rooting for the Warriors. Like, her hands were all sweaty.

She loved Steph Curry. She was all, I had to keep hitting her, not to clap. I was, like, slapping her shoulder. Come on. She was all in. She was so happy. And I kept telling her, like, don't worry. They're going to make a run.

Just wait. Just wait. Even when they're down 10 with six minutes left, just wait. Just wait. It's going to happen. And then it happened. Anyway, congratulations to the Warriors fans because I think there's been only a couple special teams in the last 30 years. And I really do think this particular team has a chance to be special.

Well, the most important thing to me is continued good health. Luke Walton continuing to manage minutes properly. Luke Walton was good in that game. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's tough to be bad when you have all those assets and the collective confidence of that team. I mean, their swag is like an 11 out of, you know, it's not even 11. It's a 15 out of 10 right now.

Well, you know, the one thing I will say with him that I'm not sure a lot of guys could have had is he's calm. And we were talking about the way home and we were talking about like lessons to learn from that game, like for when she plays sports. And I was just the main thing I was like, the main thing I want you to take away from that game is how calm that team stayed even though they're down 20. You know, it was just nobody was freaking out. Nobody was making faces. Nobody's shoulders were slumped. They were just, they were just, they knew they were going to make a run. They were just ready.

They kept their composure. They also, there was one moment, like after Doc got a tech, Curry walked away and just had real disdain for the clips. You could see it. He's just shaking his head. He walked away, he's just shaking his head like, these guys are crazy.

It was one of those things. You could see him thinking, why do these guys waste energy worrying about this shit? But you could just tell he loved it because it was great for him because it was going to help him win. I looked up the Austin. Go ahead. I was going to say, with your daughter, did that resonate? 100%. The one collected?

Okay. She played a school game on Wednesday, and it was one of those gyms with the low ceiling and the weird. And she couldn't figure out how to shoot shoot and she shot a couple air balls early yeah and it got in her head you could see it yeah and then at halftime you know she came over and uh we're like hey relax you're gonna make one it's gonna be fine but you forget you know when you anyone who's played basketball knows this when it falls apart on a basketball court it's about as naked as you can feel right because then you're open again it's about as naked as you can feel. Right. Cause then you're open again. It's like,

Oh shit. I, I can't remember how to shoot. And I'm feeling lost. Yeah. I'm lost. I'm in my head. I can't remember how to shoot.

And then you make one and you're fine. Yeah. And so I was like, you're gonna make one. It's going to be fine. But you saw with the words last night, like the, the composure the whole time.

That's something the Celtics used to have. That was my favorite quality of those Bird Celtic teams. Down 20, they were fine. All those great teams. That's why they belong in the same breath. You were saying something about looking up Austin Rivers. He's playing 26 minutes a game and he's averaging 1.1

assists, which has to be a record for a point guard. 1.1 assists. Feel free to create a record for a point guard. 1.1 assists. Feel free to create a shot for your teammates, Austin. All right, let's talk football. Okay. Yeah. Did we, did we, did we masturbate the curry and the words enough there?

I didn't. I, yeah. You finished. I know you did. Did we? I'm going to have a cigarette. It's good. Just relax.

We'll talk a little NFL. That was great. Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. Can I get you a drink? All right. NFL. Let's just talk about the games that we actually picked.

Okay. As usual, you cheated with the lines. I just put the lines from the West Beach Super Contest. I do the same thing every week. They always help you somehow. I don't see how that's true. Go ahead. The one game neither of us picked, I just wanted to mention quickly,

the Pats, Monday night, giving 7.5 to the Bills. And my instinct would be to take the points with the Bills and to say their defense, they'll be fired up, they can run the ball. Yeah. And to say, you know, their defense will be fired up. They can run the ball. I just want to point out to people, I think the Pats are going to win. I think they're going to win handily. I'm worried about the cheap touchdown at the end, which is the only reason why I didn't pick it.

The Pats have their offensive line again for this game. I just want to remind people of that. There's a crazy Tom Brady angle. He's like 70% at home when they're favored in this range. I love the Patriots in like a two-score, three-score victory. They're not one of my teams. I can promise you I'm teasing them. Yes. I can just promise you I'm teasing them. Yeah,

I can just promise you that's going to tease. All right. So you have, uh, the Cardinals at home laying five and a half to the Bengals. Who do you have? Oh, look,

before we get going with this, I just want, want to, I want to take a very quick step back because something weird happened last night and I'm not sure exactly what to make of it. I want you to help me. So you know last night I sent you and Sal a note saying, well, I'm trying to find a reason to care about this game.

There's a prop out there that I'm going to step in on a little bit. It was a prop that was a combination of a Marcus Mariota rushing touchdown plus a straight-up win by Tennessee that was paying out at 13-1. And the reason it was paying out, I think, that high in the first place was because Mariota hadn't had a rushing touchdown this season. And also, you know, they were the underdogs. You can imagine the great pleasure I took in the first half, Mariota, with his first

rushing touchdown of the season, but I was not so over the top about it that I thought, oh, this prop's going to hit. I'm guaranteed the money. I didn't go out and start buying Christmas presents with the money already. And lo and behold, the game goes on. Tennessee has 15 different opportunities to close it out and don't do so. and lo and behold, the game goes on. Tennessee has 15 different opportunities to close it out and don't do so.

They kick a punt, a low liner. The guy brings it all the way back to the five-yard line, blah, blah, blah. The game was as terrible to watch as this long story is turning out to be. Here's the thing that made me concerned. The podcast lost a lot of momentum, I can tell you that much, but keep going. Tennessee lost, gave up the touchdown, got the ball back. They're moving the ball. Now, they moved the ball the whole second half.

This is the thing that was a little bit frustrating for somebody in a position like mine, but here's the play that makes me concerned, and I want you to help me out here. Just so you know, Tate already edited this out, but keep going. They throw a ball to a running back or tight end, I don't even know who, who advances 10, 12 yards and then gets stripped.

And it's a punch out and a recovery by the same player. That player's last name, it really was the play that ended the game for all intents and purposes. Took Tennessee out of the opportunity to win the game. Guess what the guy for Jacksonville, what his last name was? Long story that's going to get edited out? House. No!

No! I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Gambling gods. Really? Gambling gods? What did I do?

That turned out to be a good story. We're going to keep it now. What was House's first name? Holy shit. I'm not kidding. That was, it was unmistakable and chilling. Like, House? House just took what? House?

House just took money from House? What color was this House? He was a little bit more tan than me. Okay. Because I don't think there's been a white House or a white Simmons since I've known you. That's true. In sports. The last white Simmons was Ted Simmons.

I'm sure there, maybe there's been another one. I just haven't seen it. I mean, the only white house is the fictional doctor house. Yeah, and that's fictional. He doesn't even count. All right, so you have cards, Bengals, five and a half. And I gotta say, normally I have a feeling of who you're going to take in these games. This one, I don't know where you're going.

So where are you going? Good, good. I love Zona. Okay. And I'm pushing down on Zona, by the way. I know you have people that don't like it. I like Zona. Let's go Zona and Frisco the rest of the season.

Done and done. There's a weird stat that a team like cincinnati coming off its first loss of the season they have a terrible record they play a good team that's coming off of a win there's a one seven and one against a spread stat there yeah and there's also a historical um weird stat look i got a little help from my buddy Big Al on a couple of these. But I already had the feeling. I didn't like anything that I saw out of Cincinnati. And it brought up

from Monday night. And it was such a reminder of, oh, it's starting to be games that matter time. So, of course, the red rifle turns into the red rumpment. You didn't like the six points they put up on Monday night? Goodness gracious.

There's a weird stat that for a good team like Cincinnati that holds opponents for a whole bunch of consecutive weeks at 13 points or less, they're terrible against the spread if they're not favored by more than three, like 0-18 over the past 35 years. So those are the little technical angles I like. But the real thing is I just think that Arizona is better. We went through this last week.

I thought Arizona was better than Seattle. They went up to Seattle and they beat Seattle's ass. And I think Arizona is better than Cincinnati. And I like them at home. And I think they're going to beat Cincinnati's ass. So I'm taking Arizona and laying the 5.5. Yeah, I was so mad about that game. It couldn't have played out better.

Seattle had it. Classic home field advantage. The 12th man. The classic not as good as the other team, not quite as good as the other team, but home field advantage, Sunday night, get a couple turnovers, all of a sudden you're winning. I've lost that game by betting the road team so many times, and then this time I had the home team and the road team somehow came back. I was really impressed by Arizona.

Talk about keeping your composure. Yeah. It was consecutive series that they had. They ended up with this because of an injury. They weren't able to block a certain scheme that Seattle was bringing in. Twice guys got in there, and it was strip sack fumbles, one of which was returned for a touchdown. It turned the whole tide of the game.

I mean, I thought, oh, goodness gracious, here's Seattle. It's the classic Seattle. We're back. Seattle's back. But it turned out not to be the case. The Legion of Boom. I went to the funeral for them on Wednesday. It was great.

Some people said some nice words about Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Camp Chancellor. It was good. It was good. A lot of respect paid to a very good secondary from 2011 to 2014. Hey, house. Hey. Casper mattresses. You know what they do, house?

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I'm going to make a pick here. Go ahead. Raiders-Lions. Raiders laying one and a half to the shitty Lions. Yes, I called them the shitty Lions. I still believe in the Raiders. I just think they lost to a really good Minnesota team. I made the mistake

of not believing enough in Minnesota. Minnesota, as Shots pointed out in his DVOA ratings in Football Outsiders this week, Minnesota's just having one of those seasons. Their fumble luck's incredible. They tackle really well. They haven't had mistakes come back and haunt them. They've had a couple late comebacks. It's just one of those seasons.

It's a freight train. Can't stop it. I'm going to segue right off of that and very, very quickly insert my Minnesota Green Bay pick. Go ahead, do it. Look, Teddy Bridgewater, 17-4. Let me repeat that. 17-4 against the spread as a starter in the National Football League. 12-1 against the spread as a starter in the NFL in games where the Vikings are seeking revenge.

They are seeking revenge. I love Minnesota. Only one? I mean, that's disrespectful. The discount double-check is a discount double-check disgrace. I'm not sure what Green Bay does well anymore.

Their wide receivers can't get open. They can't run the ball. And I know they've got guys coming back from injury, but I love Minnesota in this position. I know I interrupted and derailed, but I wanted to get in my own Minnesota plug because I had that game. Go ahead and talk about the Oakland-Detroit game. Well, first of all, that line is a pick-em, though.

As usual, you cheated. I still pick the Vikings. It was a good interjection, though, because I think if you're going to take the Raiders, you should also take the Vikings. Because part of the reason you're taking the Raiders is they're a little undervalued because they looked bad last week. But maybe they look bad because the Vikings are good. So I would take both of them.

I didn't pick the Vikings as one of my five picks only because it's weird, man. I'm still afraid of Rodgers. He doesn't have a single receiver who can get open anymore. I don't think their defense is that good. I'm not sure they're that well coached. I'm still afraid of them. And this is, if you lose this game, throw the division away. You're in a three-game losing streak.

You haven't really looked that good all year. If you lose this game, this is a sign-sealed confession that you're not good three game losing streak you haven't really looked that good all year if you lose this game this is a sign sealed confession that you're not good at football this season that you might make the playoffs but yeah they're on a three game losing streak right now it would be a four game losing streak if they lose this last week was the do or die

yeah they lost it to Denver Carolina and Detroit all in succession. You're right. That's a great point, and I'm fining myself $50. So they haven't won since week six. They're not good.

I mean, you know, last week was the game. That was the one you come out and reassert yourself. You say, look, we own Detroit at home. Detroit never comes into Lambeau and does anything meaningful. We're going to write our ship right here on Detroit's dime. And Detroit is arguably the worst team in the NFL, so who better to get healthy against? And they laid a big, fat, stinky, stink bomb turd is what they did.

And I'm angry at them for it. And the other thing they did was they gave Peyton Manning the last great moment of his sports career. With his victory? That Sunday night game. No, it was like his last good moment before he went 5-for-20 with four picks. Do you know he has 17 interceptions right now?

He's going to end this season with 17 interceptions? He's got nine TDs and 17 interceptions. Here's the thing. I think he comes back. I don't think he ends the season that way. Oh, I do. I think he's QBing in three weeks. So he's going to end the season

with 20-some interceptions. Yeah. Potentially. Anyway. So that leads to our next pick, Bears-Broncos. We both have this one. Bears getting a point at home against Brock Osweiler. Brooke Osweiler.

That would be a really funny— Brock Osweiler? You could play this game for 72 hours, stopping people on the street and asking them if they knew who Brock Osweiler is. Brock Osweiler. How many do you think, like if you interviewed, if you stopped 5,000 people on the street, how many of those 5,000 would be able to tell you who Brock Osweiler is? Zoe said last night during the Warriors game, she couldn't believe that Festus Azile was the guy's name. And she thought it sounded like a pasta and she wanted to order Festus Azalea

with meat sauce. Oh, me too. Yeah. Doesn't Festus Azalea with meat sauce sound delicious? Are you kidding me? Yeah. What about with some little grilled chicken? I have the bears.

So do I. Yeah. I think the bears are half decent. So do I. We've been back and forth on the Bears. I know we've been on the Bears for a few weeks. I just didn't like the matchup last week with the Rams. I thought the Rams

were better than they were. I messed up. I like the Bears though. The Bears have a bunch of good road wins now. They do. And Adam Gase has really seemed to be eliciting a decent Jay Cutler season. So there's a really nice angle. Chicago 6-1 against the spread lately

when they're coming off of back-to-back straight-up road wins. Denver with a very crappy 1-4 straight-up 0-5 against the spread record all time against NSC North teams that are coming off of straight up and against the spread winds like the Chicago Bears. And again, Brock Osweiler. Yeah. And you know the other thing?

The Bears aren't out of the playoff anything by any stretch. Oh, no, no. Somebody that I hold in high esteem, I don't remember who, observed that in their view, the Bears were the best of the four and five teams, the best of those lurking and looking at the wild card opportunity in front of them. I don't have an argument against it.

The stat nerds would say that Seattle is the best four and five team. Okay. That they're DVOA. They should stop somebody in the fourth quarter to prove that out. They should stop one somebody in the fourth quarter to prove that out. They should stop one team in the fourth quarter. Shots made a good case about that this week,

that the reason they look so good in the DVOA is because it only accounts to some degree about fourth quarter collapses. But yet, when you actually watch their season, sometimes you just have to say to yourself, this team can't stop anyone in the fourth quarter. They just can't get a stop. It's like the Clippers. I'm sure the Clippers look good with advanced metrics,

but if I'm watching them with a nine-point lead in the fourth quarter, I feel like they're going to blow it. So, yeah, I don't mind this Bears team. So if they win this one, they're 5-5, and they're at Green Bay on Thanksgiving oh that's exciting from there San Francisco, Washington at home

at Minnesota, at Tampa home for Detroit they could go 9-7 or 10-6 not unrealistic with that said, Cutler probably just tore his hamstring right now as I was laying out those things we should mention next week, Thanksgiving podcast. We're going to tape that on a Tuesday.

Oh. Next week. We're going to just do Thanksgiving picks and a little NBA and that's it and get out. Next one. And we're going to have Haralabob on. I'm going to do a pod with Haralabob and then I'm going to call you and we'll just do 15 minute Thanksgiving picks and we're done. That's fantastic. I've been waiting for H. Bob

all season long. I've been following his Twitter observations on the early season. Yeah. H. Bob not a fan of some of the new coaches. He's pretty direct about it. Not holding back.

He's fairly candid H-Pop not a fan of the of the college coaches coming into the NBA and having no idea what to do with rotations or schemes

or anything yeah he's not a huge fan I'm on guys like there's a couple guys that fit that description yeah Hoiberg

oh you know what we have so we might I don't know if you're going to be 15 minutes on Tuesday or a full pod because we also have Ben Simmons LSU the best basketball player

freshman in nine years in my opinion to watch game to game we both agree on that since Durant in Texas this is the freshman we're the most excited about since Durant in Texas. He's at the NIT next week, Monday and Tuesday. He's got a stage.

My boy Ben Simmons has a stage next week, Monday night. So be ready for that. We were texting about this. He's already made every single LSU game must watch. It's just like KD on Texas. We watched every one of those KD on Texas games. I loved it.

That was when, I think I've told this story. I love those Durant games so much. My daughter was 18 months, 18, 19 months, somewhere in there. That was when I was watching the Durant game when she walked out of our house. And the dudes had to go out there and stay in the street with her? The dudes went out and guarded her. We had no idea our daughter could open the front door. It was during one of those Durant games.

I wasn't paying attention for like 30 seconds. I looked up, the front door's open, and my daughter's out of the house. It was because of Kevin Durant. Because he was can't miss television. My daughter wandered out of our house. Thank was because of Kevin Durant. Because he was can't miss television. My daughter wandered out of our house. Thank God for the dues. The dues saved her ass. One of the greatest small time. And Rufus.

And Rufy Doofy, of course. Dearly departed, both of them. Dearly departed. Yeah. Alright, so we have Sorry, I got off track. Alright, so we have a couple more left. I have Oh no, we we have a couple more left I have oh no we both have this Jets Texans

Jets favored by three in Houston I know how I feel and I have a feeling you feel the same way I'm not buying the Texans I'm taking the Jets minus three I'm not buying the Texans off because they won 10-6 on a Monday night against Andy Dalton who didn't show up

we're 1000% in lockstep on that bunch of stats that are I'm not buying the Texans off because they won 10-6 on a Monday night against Andy Dalton, who didn't show up. We're 1,000% in lockstep on that. A bunch of stats that are way against Houston. They're 0-4 against the spread at home after a Monday night game. This is a really funny thing Sports Insights put out. Teams this season are 1-14 against the spread the week after playing the Bengals or the Cardinals. That's a crazy one. Wonder why. Maybe too physical or something?

Yeah, yeah, right. Exactly. It was a good one. I liked that one. Teams like Houston, who beat an undefeated team the week previously, 3-12 against the spread when they play a team like the Jets, who were favored but lost anyway. So a bunch of angles against Houston. And by the way, Houston sucks. I still hate Houston. Yeah, I was going to say, you should have a stat.

When you have a legitimately shitty quarterback situation against a good defense that loves to blitz bad quarterbacks, teams are 100-0. That's a good angle. I would play that angle. This is just the Jets defense winning this game by itself. I would just hand off three times and then

make sure my defense was on the field doing stuff. I got one for myself. Go ahead. Chiefs at Chargers. Chiefs favored by three and a half. Look, to me, it's like I don't understand why the home field advantage, quote unquote, gets factored into the San Diego Lions. To me, this is like a neutral field game. And so if on a neutral field, I'm getting three and a half points with the Chiefs, I'm just grabbing it.

The Chargers are super banged up still. The Chiefs are getting a little frisky. A little frisky. They're only three losses behind the Broncos. Yeah. But Sal and I talked about it. Did the gym dance. You know, Joe, Sal and I talked about this on Monday's pod,

and we were talking about this, and we talked about this. So if they get through this San Diego game, which is Sunday night, from there, home for Buffalo, at Oakland, home for San Diego again, at Baltimore, home for Cleveland and Oakland. If they didn't have Andy Reid as the coach, I would say they were going to run the slate. Are you on that AFC West bet that I think Sal's on it? I know I'm on it.

I invented that bet. Oh! Plus 300. We have a nice number on that. You know another bet I invented was the Rockets to win whatever shitty division, the Southwest division. We have that one for a lot of money, unfortunately. We need this Chiefs one to come through to pay off that awful Rockets bet.

I'm so mad that after years of being wary of James Harden and Dwight Howard as the two best players on a team with just, you know, who those guys are, that I finally put money in them, and then they did what they did. James Harden quit on McHale. It was just a flat-out quitting. It makes you feel like sucker. We thought all of last season was rewriting the script.

It's a new script. That old crappy B-level Adam Sandler movie that featured those two guys doing the same old boneheaded things with flat, corny jokes that didn't make any sense. That script goes in the garbage. We've got a new script. These guys are winners. They've faced true adversity and seen it all the way through. They were just a handful of plays away from being really competitive with the Warriors. And then, here we

go. We start this season, and it's that same old, awful smells like a rotten egg script. We're so stupid. And I think... I also think that they might genuinely hate playing with James Harden now. I'm just watching the body language of their teammates.

Some telling moments in that Boston game. I'm just watching the body language of their teammates. Some telling moments in that Boston game. You know I'm the body language doctor. You are. Self-appointed body language doctor. You're the Ben Carson of body language. I am. I'm Ben Carson. I once disarmed a terrorist on an airplane.

So you know this new trend now where if the best player on your team gets knocked down, three guys rush over to help them up? Yes. Which KG and the Celtics started in 2007, really. They really mastered it. Yeah, they really... It was so enjoyable.

KG will pick up anybody. Yeah. So now all the teams do this, and it's a way to show they're close. In that Boston game, James Harden got knocked down more than once, and all the Rockets were like, fuck you. I'm not even coming over. Get up on your own accord, James Harden. I'm going to be over here.

I'm sorry I missed that. Somebody should do a quick YouTube of all the times he got knocked down and nobody went to help him up. And the other thing is, after he gets fouled on a play and he's walking to the line, normally guys come over, high five, nothing. Just go to the line by yourself, James Harden. I'm going to be over here. You think it's Khloe Kardashian?

Oh, it's got to be part of it. Yeah. There's something about bringing that into a mix that makes the whole thing, just spoils it. It's a bad ingredient. I had a conversation with somebody who knows things about this oh yeah and the kardashians to a certain athlete celebrity community are the equivalent of like if you're in college and there's that one girl in your class that everybody wants to be with.

And it might not even be because she's the prettiest, but there's something or whatever. And then there's some sort of status thing with being able to pull it off. And somehow all of the Kardashians are like that for all of America with celebrities and athletes, including Khloe. It's like they pass through your life and you fall apart within two years. It's terrible. It didn't even take that long for James Harden. The same six months that we put all our

hard-earned money on the effing Rockets. God damn it. I have the Chiefs minus three and a half. Probably editing out most of that monologue. I stayed away from the game because there's a bunch of mangles that like San Diego in this position. But I stayed away because of that home field thing. It's so bizarre how not home that is.

So I'm not touching it. Imagine if you're a Chargers fan right now and all you're reading about is how your team can't decide whether it wants to move to Carson or Englewood. Who are Chargers fans? I mean, it seems like there might only be 25,000 of them. That's true. They're like hockey fans. It's like how there are Anaheim Mighty Ducks fans.

There's probably 30,000 of them, but 20,000 of them have season tickets. Yes, exactly. I think I've met five Anaheim Ducks fans in my 13 years in LA. See, now I'm going to be on some message board where people get mad about

Ducks fans. You know what? I don't care. Screw the Ducks. I hate your team. And I can't wait for Lusage to beat the hell out of Corey Perry. Oh, no. That's not nice. Corey Perry doesn't fight. Yeah, of course he doesn't fight. What he does is just cheap shot people from behind when they're not looking and then skate away and let somebody else fight for him.

Hate the Ducks. Is there anything better than sports hate for hockey? Huh? I love hating hockey teams and hockey players it's like the last raw emotion we can have as sports fans it's so true it's absolutely basketball football baseball everybody gets all sensitive but in hockey you can just go to the game and yell terrible things at the players it's great yeah cory perry Corey Perry Alright last game Oh before we do the last game House did you ever build your

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You had a Curry-gasm. It's okay. Last one. Dallas. Miami. Pick them. We both have this. Who do you have? Dallas. Me too. Of course. I love Dallas. Yeah.

All the soft considerations are the best. Tony's back. We're not out of the playoffs yet. The YouTube click that he put out for Major League was spectacular this week. Did you see it? It was awesome. And there's a bunch of technical angles also that I

will thank my good buddy Big Al for. The one that I liked the best, Dallas Lately. Very nice. 8-1 against the spread on the road against the AFC. Love that little angle. That's a good one.

Did Big Al have an angle about that Miami sucks? Miami won last week, by the way. Yeah, I watched it. You know why they won? They won because Philly sucks. Philly does. Philly sucks. Philly stinks.

They suck. Mark Sanchez with his typical end zone poop sandwich at the end of the game. What college team is Chip Kelly going to be coaching next year? Oh, that's a good question. I wish we could gamble on that. What's funny about Chip Kelly is we have proof over and over again that, like Belichick, you would think everybody would just be like, I'm just going to emulate what Belichick does.

And Belichick doesn't have a system. He just goes game to game and tries to figure out what to do. Chip Kelly's like, I have a system. It's going to work. This is what we're doing every week. And then he puts Mark Sanchez in it. He basically built this race car engine and then

has Sam Bradford and Mark Sanchez as his quarterbacks. I don't get it. The difference is in talent evaluation. Belichick has a pretty good track record of smelling out guys that are going to fit what he's trying to accomplish. Guys that have the flexibility to work the game plan that he's going to have, that he individualizes, customizes for each team that he plays each week, as opposed to Dumb Dumb Kelly, who thought that he should completely renovate his personnel to fit his own eye of what was going to work best,

and they suck. Why would you do the DeMarco Murray contract? That was one of those that's like, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? What are you doing? How does that make any sense? Belichick wouldn't do this. Don't do this.

No. No smart franchise would do that. They'd already signed Ryan Matthews. Now you're going to overpay DeMarco Murray? Ryan Matthews, who, by the way, is their best running back. Much better fit for what Chip Kelly's trying to do. Yeah. Actually, he had it right. The most effective running back in that system.

He had it right. He didn't get it right. Exactly. He had Matthews. He had Darren Sproles. Why the hell are you paying DeMarco Murray? What are you doing? Dum-da-dum-dum.

So I don't think the Dolphins are very good. And they got killed by the Pats. They got beaten pretty severely by the Bills. And they were about to get their asses kicked by the Eagles and then kind of came back. It was a weird game. They did not throw me

off their scent. I also have Dallas. And I think Dallas' defense is going to give them trouble in this game. I agree with that. If you blitz around Tannehill...

Their defense has been dead decent this season. It hasn't been Execrable Yeah Their problem isn't defense So the Celtics play the Nets Twice

Friday and Sunday Ooh Grudge Grudge games These are now like Playoff games Because not only are they good For the Celts to win

But But also Yeah They're They're They're force multipliers. Yeah. They're games that,

that, that, you know, they have an exponent attached to them. The nets look just frisky enough that I'm starting to get worried. They're not going to be one of the, one of the two worst teams. I think we need to get in the top two with ping pong balls.

Cause Philly is just thrown away another season. You know, I went, uh, big thanks to our NBA buddy. I went to that, um, Philly, uhilly Spurs game Saturday night. Yes.

I have to say, Philly is not that bad. Okay. They are as bad as every statistic suggests. The turnovers are off the chart. They have, like, pieces. Jeremy Grant is not that bad he's really interesting athletically Noel and Okafor on the court at the same

time that's a lot of athletic young fella I mean they're two super long guys they move great the problem is they just can't score they can't score they just can't make baskets that's kind of a problem in the NBA yeah listen I think it's a great learning experience for Okafer and Noel

to lose every game and to play with the worst guards in the league. That'll definitely help them get better. Well, there is a design flaw. But I was really surprised by, you know, a lot of credit to Coach Brown. That's what I would say. They play hard, and they mostly play the right way. The guard thing is, I know they're missing Tony Roten, but that shouldn't, you know. Did you say that ironically?

Yes, I did. Missing Tony Roten. I'm fine with the whole throwing away a couple seasons, but you can't also damage the players that you're going to build around for the future. It doesn't help Okafor to be on a team with horrendous perimeter guys. How does that help him? Their plan didn't countenance the possibility that Embiid may never play a game. I guess, but why trade Michael Carter-Williams?

Why couldn't he have been on this team? It's still befuddling and befuddle. There's no good explanation for it. The trade was smart in a vacuum if I was on a computer just not dealing with actual human beings, but it's just not good for Michael Carter-Williams not to be on this team, especially if I'm Okafor. I look at it and I go, well, two years from now,

are they going to trade me because they want to have three more years of terrible picks? Now, if they get Ben Simmons next June, then Sam Hickey's a genius and the Sixers fans, they get to throw a whole party and make fun of all the people who made fun of them the last three years. So those are the stakes now. They are now on the final hand of poker. All the chips are in. And this is now 7th Street.

Isn't that what they call it? Whatever. This is it. It has to happen this year. They have to win Ben Simmons. They have to. They have to win Ben Simmons. If they don't win Ben Simmons,

then they've basically thrown away this entire decade to get Okafor, who I think if the draft's done over again, he's the third pick. Noel, who's fine. He draft's done over again, he's the third pick. Yeah. Noel, who's fine. He's okay. Yeah, he's good. He's okay. Still arguably the best guy in the top 15 of that draft. Would he play 20 minutes a game on OKC?

Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's super. He's terrible. He's shooting under 40%. You know, he's seven feet tall and shooting under 40%. But in the right sort of circumstances with better players around him, he'd be very effective.

He moves great. I love the way he moves. And his defense would be excellent in the right situation. He'll end up on some other team four years from now and he'll be good. Yeah, yeah, he's good. After the Sixers are disbanded. All right alright Joe House oh wait we have to say goodbye to some of our friends I want to say one really quick thing

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