The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 32: Week 13 NFL w/ Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 30, 2015

HBO's Bill Simmons talks to Cousin Sal about Sunday night's controversial Pats-Broncos game, the Thanksgiving games (25:00 mark), Week 13 NFL picks (30:00), NFC East quagmire (40:00), Adam Carolla (53:00), Mike Tomlin's crazy coaching (1:02) and 'Creed' (1:09--Spoiler Alert!). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Clear enough for you? All right. Yeah. Can you picture us rolling? Can you see me holding up? Is y'all ready for me? I'm actually not as mad as I was last night. Oh, come on. I actually had to get off Twitter, which is very rare.

I might just quit Twitter. What's the point of Twitter? I was so mad last night. Everyone's taking a shot at you, right? No, I didn't even look. I don't look at my twitter plus i was just mad i i didn't trust myself i i was really ready to go on like a 40 tweet tweet binge you and i had a bet this is cousin sal by the way how are you what's happening we

had a bet we did the pittsburgh adjusted line to 10 and a half which somehow won even though uh this uh pittsburgh decided to give up an 80 yard touchdown. We almost lost it. Yeah. Landry Jones at the end even. Yeah. And then we had the Pats giving or getting three and a half. Getting three and a half. So you were rooting for the Pats last night, a rarity for you.

I was, but a loss in overtime by three would have just been perfect, I think. Yeah. But since you gambled on the Patriots. Right. I mean, those calls were unbelievable. I have to go back to 1976, the Oakland playoff game, for a more one-sided Pats game. I've never seen anything like it.

Wow, I love it. I've never seen anything like it. I'm waiting. I looked on the internet. I wanted to see the Reddit thread or the blog post or somebody with just the 12 calls that the refs either missed or screwed up right i mean even the call when the guy came in the offensive lineman and he and they

threw to him and they got the first yeah he's but pat pat and corinth he just won't give it to him and then the other 11 people have to be like hey listen he actually did signal that he went in but i've just never seen anything like that yeah um i love it can i just say i and you know this comes on the heels of my team being eliminated for the fourth time this year, the Cowboys. Yeah. But it was Thursday, so it's sort of out of the forefront of my mind. And Romo out for the year for the second time.

Just a disaster. And I'm complaining because my team's not 11-0. But I could not get here fast enough. I camped out in your driveway. I've been here since 3.30 in the morning. So excited for this podcast. Gronk got two offensive pass interferences.

Those are the two worst calls you're talking about, right? Gronk with the push-off, which Collinsworth said. Those are too bad. He extended the arm there. Oh, please. What about Chung in the end zone with a play that every defensive back does all the time? That's the big one. What about the hold on the 50-yard pass

that they said the hands to the face, but then if you watch the Caldwell TD, clearly on one of the replays, the left guard on Denver just goes total hand on the face to Chandler Jones. They were just picking and choosing which play, but somehow it was always against the Patriots. What about when we recovered a fumble,

but they called it Denver ball? The guy comes out of the pile with the fumble. It's like, no, no, actually, I've already decided because I could see through the five bodies that it was Denver's ball. I love it. It was just a classic. Every time we had a great play or a big play or a momentum play, or a third, oh, no, it's come back.

No, hold. What about when you were up 21-7 and getting the ball in the fourth quarter and you muffed the punt and blew the game? What about that? That was our 11th string right receiver. And then they decided to replace him with literally nobody. Can I say this? They sent back the invisible man for the next punt.

They were like, screw it. I know I was there. Yeah, we're not doing this anymore. You can blame me because I marked us off as a win. Up 21-7, getting three and a half in the fourth quarter, getting the ball. I know. With 14 minutes left. I actually marked it on my stupid sheet as a win, and you can blame me.

There was some shaky coaching by the Pats yesterday, to be fair. Yeah. First of all, tell your 11-string punt returner, you're up 14, fair catch. Don't make a play. We don't need you to make a play. Just catch the ball. It's too cold. It's snowing out on the other side.

Yeah, it's snowing. The field's weird. Just catch the ball. Don't worry about doing anything. I had a long email thread with some of my Pats fan friends that if it ever goes out in public, it would be like the Sony hacking emails. Really? Some of the conspiracies we had.

But 249 left. We get a first down with Gronk. Up by four. So if you... And people thought Kubiak was dumb to kick the field goal there to cut it to four rather than tie it. Oh, no, he was dumb.

Yeah. He was 100% dumb. Yeah, all right. I mean, after watching Mike Tomlin, it's hard to get angry at anyone else, but I see what you're saying. For me, that's like, you have to decide one way or the other. It's almost like blackjack.

Am I hitting on a 12 against a 2, or am I just every time I'm not hitting that? In that situation, the game's over. The five-yard line or seven-yard line? No, I think it was the three or the four. But even if they don't get it, we're trapped on the three-yard line with no running game. Yeah. By the way, I'm going to LeGarrette Bl blunt's funeral on uh wednesday did that happen his funeral as a football player yeah really it's over i didn't even read about it's over he turned into an offensive guard well what how many carries did he get that i don't know his his new move is

to just to casually tiptoe toward the line and then fall down but so 249 left we got a first down on the gronk play um and then if we hand the ball off there the probably the play ends maybe like 242 yeah so denver calls timeout right there or they just let it go is this leading up to the gronk well that so in first down they threw the gronk. But I'm saying there's really no scenario there where the Broncos don't, even if you just kneel and then punt. And Brady's known to get two yards on the quarterback sneak, two, three yards at a time.

So that might have even been done in the first down. But we're basically giving the ball, if you just don't do anything, you're giving the ball back to the Broncos with somewhere between 120 and 150 left and they have no timeouts. You're blaming Brady. No, I think what they should have done is done a little swing pass, keep the clock moving.

But what happened, they go for the kill. Right. Denver, after going for Gronk's knees earlier in the game, they finally get him. They finally take him out. What do you mean, come on? No one says that was a dirty... Brady didn't even say that was a dirty, dirty hit. It's been happening for four years with the guy.

TJ Ward got him. Yeah. That knocked him out two years ago. And then this year, the whole season. I've been tweeting and talking about it the whole season. You have to do it. Everyone goes for his knees. Nobody else can tackle him.

What are you supposed to do? No one can cover him. Well, how about come up with a rule that prevents defensive backs from dive-bombing somebody's knees when they're not looking? I didn't see that as a dirty play. We have 47 concussion protocols now, but it's okay to dive-b bombing somebody's knees when they're not looking i didn't see that we have 47 concussion protocols now but it's okay to dive bomb somebody's knees i don't think it is but i don't think that play he was going after his knees there yeah you think there were two players converging trying he went right at his knees all right all right so then okay but maybe

if that had been jason whitton in 2006 you'd be furious. We get all this stuff. My whole team is injured. What do you mean? I'm just tired of the dive bombing. But maybe don't throw there on first down. Trying to kill the clock. Or a little screen pass. Yeah. Something. But Denver should have gotten the ball backwards.

So we screwed that up. Yeah. And then, you know, would you have taken the ball with the coin toss in overtime? I think you have to now with the touchdown rules. You got no Gronk, though. I'm down to my second string tight end, my fourth and fifth string wide receivers, and James White, who's my backup running back, basically, who was just awful yesterday. By the way, I complained about the Deion Lewis thing for a month,

saying that it was going to be important. You saw it last night. James White was terrible. And LeGarrette Blount, who died three weeks ago. That's our offense. I'm going to punt and try to stop Brock Osweiler. Denver scored their first possession anyway, so what does it matter? I mean, they just ran right, running downhill in the snow.

First down throws to LeFell, pass interference, not called. Not called. Go watch the tape. Go watch it. Unfortunately, nobody remembers because it was not even one of the top 10 worst calls of the game against the Patriots. But LaFell gets hooked, no call. I hate that this vitriol is not even going to matter

because the Patriots are going to get to and win the Super Bowl. But I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I was thinking of it, actually. This is actually better than being 16-0 heading into the playoffs, because now if we go 18-1, it's the good 18-1. But then on top of it, we could say we should have gone 19-0, except for the game that was the WWE pay-per-view

when the Twin Hebners were refereeing, and we didn't get one call for four quarters. I was going to send you a picture of Danny Davis, and we didn't get one call for four quarters. I was going to send you a picture of Danny Davis, but I couldn't figure out how to attach it on Twitter. Listen, I'm okay with a bad officiating job, but how do you have a bad officiating job where every single call favors one team, except for the play where Von Miller dived at Brady five seconds after he released the ball and speared him. And Caranthia's like, I gotta call that.

I mean, he did spear. Here's what I don't understand. How is Brady making these, because he's arguing with, like, Gronkowski gets called for the push-off 20 yards downfield. Brady's arguing. He's like, no, no, he didn't push off. What did you see? You're on your back 30 yards behind. And he did it again with the

holding call, too. On the 50-yard pass. Yeah. It's like, what? How do you see everything?'s amazing well one thing that one thing that sucks about the new overtime rules yeah and i knew that cj anderson thing was coming i was so scared of it because when hightower went out hightower and butler are the two best players in the defense so hightower goes out jared Mayo comes in. He's lost three steps. Right. All he can do is basically run straight forward on a blitz.

But going side to side, he just can't tackle. That's why I texted you. I was like, we're screwed. Hightower ran out. Mayo can't cover. Mayo can't stop the run. So you get around midfield. About 20 more yards, they have the field goal.

So you have to move everybody up. And I'm just sitting there. 31 i'm watching with my son who knows nothing and i'm saying to him like if they're gonna pitch to the outside we can't we can't get to the outside in time this is going to be bad and audible apparently how many how many overtime touchdowns have we seen when somebody's between the 40s though it seems like that like that happens. A lot now, right? Yeah. Because teams are like selling out to try to stop that third down because they know if the guy gets it, they're basically going to lose anyway. Right. But yeah, that was a tough loss.

That was bad. That was tough. I'm glad the Bronco fans feel good about it, though. Congratulations. You beat our second string and you got 11 of the 12 most important calls. You got Bill Simmons angry, which doesn't really happen anymore. And you couldn't stop us. Down three with a minute 09 left.

The Brady's throwing to Scott Chandler, Brandon LaFell. And the Scott Chandler's spread out wide. The dude with the dreadlocks, number 82. I can't even remember his name. Brandon Molden? No, the wide receiver. We had guys in the game.

Hench and I are emailing. Hench is like, I've never heard of this person. I've watched every Patriot game. We've had guys that I've never heard of before. I know. And we still send it to overtime. I thought it was one of Brady's great performances. It was, and it was in the snow. You thought for sure, especially

when Gostkowski nailed that crazy field goal. You're like, ah, you just can't lose. It was weird. Has there ever been a kicker in the snow 47 yards that you just like oh he's he's got this since vinitieri i guess but yeah vinitieri though like 47 48 in cold weather was about his limit kaskowski had like yeah it gets 10 extra yards yeah uh i kept waiting for brock osweiler to throw the the terrible interception that should have been coming for four and a half quarters.

Never did it. He might actually be pretty good. I don't mind him. He's better than Manning. Good-looking guy, as you pointed out. Handsome guy. Tall and handsome. Maybe don't throw Demarius Thomas anymore.

I don't know why he dropped 12 passes. Didn't he have like 12 targets? Caught one. That was weird. It's interesting. Some of those guys in that game, the cold weather, I think, really took them out. Like James White and Thomas just were like shells of themselves in that game. Yeah, it was a strange game.

Let me ask one question. Yeah. Are we sure the Patriots are good? I've been waiting, I don't know, 60 weeks to say that. Well, we've lost 15 guys. I know. We lost 15 of our key guys. No, I think it's a fair question.

Look at the end of that game. It was Scott Chandler, Brandon LaFell, James White. Well, let me say two things that are going to cheer you up. First of all, the Patriots always have a 10-day stretch or a 17-day stretch where they don't play. They're not themselves. And it's sort of around this time of year, right? Don't you agree?

But they usually maybe lose two out of those three games. You won. You really won all three of the games, but there's only one blemish against you there in that bad 17-day stretch. Two, you play the philadelphia eagles and we'll go over that spread in a minute but yeah that's pretty good that's pretty nice uh rebounding material 21-7 they're punting to us and they're and their offense has done nothing other than some five minute run five yard runs just tell they got a fair catch we're getting

three and a half 21-7 harris i I didn't know who Harris was two weeks ago. The guy's trying to make plays at midfield. I don't blame him. He's trying to make a splash. But send that guy out there and be like, dude, you were not just catch the ball. Don't worry about anything else. If he catches the ball, the game's over. Yeah.

Don't worry. He won't be on the team tonight, tomorrow night. I haven't. They might have left him in denver yeah uh belichick you know the grok thing was all-time devastating in the moment it just seemed like he was done it's over the the super bowl defense is out the window this whole season of people going at his knees somebody finally got him he was angry injured like pounding almost was gonna punch a trainer in the face kind of thing like you thought like this guy doesn't come back for a while and then

two a couple straight weeks of just crazy calls going again like last week against buffalo we did the pod on monday before that buffalo game oh yeah the touchdown gets called back because the ref blew whistle because he didn't a touchdown. Watch that. The D-back stops playing when the ball's in the air. You have to watch that. All right, so a 40-yard pass gets called back? By the way. What other team does that happen to?

Well, every other team. Come on. What are you talking about? But the point is the real ruling on that should have been that they start the play over. The refs just felt so bad. They're like, come on. We're going to give you this plus 15 yards. Take this, Bill. Don't get mad at us.

But yeah, that was a bad whistle. And then the two seconds left you're going to talk about. I'm playing all this up. I'm fine this morning. The Gronk thing last night, I was absolutely catatonic. He's not playing it up. He's really upset. No, it's fine.

You're going gonna have games where that where you know 12 of the 13 most important calls go against you it's gonna happen it's football but uh you're just caught just but blatant touch touch pass interferences and right hands to the face that that don't get called when it's the other thing like that's gonna happen the rest it's gonna happen you know okay happen. As far as I'm concerned, Goodell finally won his appeal with the Brady thing last night. You won. Congratulations, Roger. I think you actually won.

It's fine. It happens. Have you seen the Monday night promos for the football game tonight with the Ravens and Browns? The Browns? Oh, that's a stick to ESPN. It's number 57 slowly running out the tunnel for the Ravens. And I had to look it up. It's C.J. Mosley. He's a stick to ESPN. It's number 57, slowly running out the tunnel for the Ravens. And I had to look it up, but CJ Mosley is a good player. And then you doing cartwheels in the background.

I have to hand it to ESPN. They have a sense of humor about the whole thing. So Gronk goes out, and my kids are actually, they're frightened. They've never seen me more upset because they've never watched a game where like something really bad happened dogs hiding in the pantry i was so upset and you know i love watching gronk too it's the most fun boston athlete in a while you love gronk it's more fun with gronk he's definitely good to have around so it just seemed that just seemed like he broke his kneecap or uh i couldn't tell because the angle, you couldn't tell if his leg just basically went the wrong way

or what happened. So now they're saying he could be back as soon as, even this week potentially. My thing is just take the two seed. Just sit him for a month. Just fine. You think so? Yeah.

You know what? I'd play Jimmy Garoppolo this week against the Eagles. How can anyone beat them for the two seed? The Colts at six and five. Just fine. You think so? Yeah. You know what? I'd play Jimmy Garoppolo this week against the Eagles. Wow. How can anyone beat them for the two seed? The Colts at six and five. For the two seed. So the Bengals have two losses. Oh, I guess so.

I did my math wrong. Yeah. Denver. Yeah. But the Bengals are at Denver in a couple of weeks, I think. All right. So as soon as they know they can get the one or the two. No, I don't want to play in round one.

Oh, come on. Have some fun with it. No. As soon as they know they have the two seed, I would shut everyone down. Yeah. Just go Garoppolo for three weeks. That's a long stretch. That plus the bye is like a month off for these guys.

Yeah. Does it feel, I know we say this every year but it really feels like there are more injuries than ever this year yeah i think so like the giants lost their four best offensive linemen right and it's just typical it's like you just go down the line you'd be like oh the rams lost there's a tree and quinn and you just go through and it's like everybody's gone and i wonder why we even do picks anymore why do why do we bet why do we do anything it's like this is such a crap shoot now well i can't make any money it seems on a sunday and yet i went three and oh again on sports center you did what were your three sports centers

houston over new orleans who's done some teams are just done let's just never just write them off forever like the chargers were done, but what they want. I had Houston. I had a teaser with Pittsburgh and Kansas City, which barely wins. And then I had the Vikings. That was a weak line. The Vikings are better than Atlanta. That was the only line neither of us understood.

Yeah. It seemed like that should have been Vikings by three and a half, something like that. Yeah. So you look at like this. We got five weeks left. The only team, I mean, we crossed off some teams last week. Somehow we can't cross probably is in the driver's seat. It's unbelievable. Even the Redskins know that they stink. Yeah. And the Giants are saying

we took them for granted. I think that was a game where it was just like, alright, we've had enough. The Giants have beat us five in a row. They're not that great. Cousins is throwing the ball. Cousins throws the ball 35 times a game. I think he has like two interceptions in the last five games. And he throws 35 times. He's not like, you know, 13 for 19 with an interception.

He throws a lot, and they don't make mistakes. I don't mind them. Yeah, they're not bad. I don't mind them. The Giants. And the AFC South, I don't mind either now. I think that's a fun thing to root for, Colts or Texans. I took New Orleans in that game because I didn't think Houston could score more than like 20 to 24 points.

They got 24? Yeah. But the Saints scored six. Yeah. That was it. The Texans' defense is stepping up. That's a difference. So where was the Texans' defense when they gave up 48 points to Atlanta?

I was sarcastically tweeting about if J.J. Watt is still on the team. I remember week three, and they're back now. They have a tough schedule, though. They're at Buffalo, and you guys play them, right? Patriots? Yeah. They might not be around long. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to watch football for like a month. He's really upset. But he's okay. He's fine. I might just watch hoops. Oh, come on. I just can't take it. There's so much at stake with this pat season

it's really like how many super bowls do you need it's like when daniel bryan when he couldn't win the title because goodell and the corporation kept screwing it up for him they kept changing the rules and the money in the bank guy would come in and take that like triple h would close on him when he wasn't looking that's how I feel this Pat season has turned into. And you're going to play the Redskins in the Super Bowl and it's going to be fine. But you know that would be fun just from everybody getting

completely bent out of shape about their nickname. I keep calling them Redskins. I had decided to call them Washington Professional Football Team. And I'm so mad today that I keep calling them Redskins. Although I'm not really mad. I'm in a really good mood. You're nuts. Before we go to the week 12 lines, finding shirts that look good untucked has been one of the biggest problems in men's fashion for years.

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That's low. Yeah. That's nothing. It was good. What was your... We had a Thanksgiving... My wife ordered. She's somehow too busy to cook, even though she doesn't have a job.

Oh, really? Which I thought was interesting. But she ordered all the food and somehow no sweet potatoes. Oh, really? I think that's my favorite side dish for Thanksgiving. Oh, I would have brought you sweet potatoes. Yeah, we had plenty left over. What would you rank the side dishes?

Just in order of importance, what you need as a human being. I think sweet potatoes over mash now. Definitely. Done right. Stuffing? I like a good stuffing with mushrooms. I'm trying to think. My point is

my sweet potatoes is the number one pick. Yeah. But you're sure it has to be untucked no matter what. No question. Yeah. No question. What sucked about the Thanksgiving though is usually the football gives you an excuse not to talk to the people in the house. Right. The game's getting good.

Two blowouts. Two blowouts. Only the last one was good in the last three minutes. The last one was at night. Who cares? It was at night. Yeah. What I need is a good game during the actual dinner that I can get away from talking to people. And I blame Vegas for the Cowboys' loss

and Tony Romo's injury here because they got the Panthers so mad by making that game even, and I think it ping-ponged to plus one, minus one all week. But how dare you vegas pretended the cowboy my cowboys get them so enraged the panthers to play and and that was that was the result right there now i can't even speak the panthers might be good it might be no i mean like really sure yeah no like they might be i watch them i keep trying to i keep

waiting for them to falter i keep waiting for some sort of sign that it's a fluke. Cause they have guys we've discussed that have been on our fantasy teams when things have gone horribly wrong. And it's like, Oh God, I got to start taking junior this week or country. Yeah. It's a whole team of those guys.

Right. And somehow they're unstoppable and they scored 30 plus points a game. They have the play. Just be good. The college play where he, he, he throws it. Cam throws it in the running back's gut and stewart's gut pulls it out if he has it and that works for them and and no one else it seems in the nfl and i don't know i think we have a bulletproof super bowl of carolina or arizona play your patriots i really do i'm kind

of excited for that it'll be like our second string at that point. Don't make excuses yet. Not just yet. How many injuries do I have to get up to before I make excuses? Gronk will be 100% healthy. Like, really? We have to lose Hightower, too? Jamie Collins has just been...

I think Goodell has Jamie Collins. Oh, does he? They keep saying how it's like an undisclosed illness. They don't want to talk about it. People are wondering if it's a staph infection or whatever. I actually think it's like Quinn in Homeland when Quinn gets abducted. Right, right. And he's in some cell.

People are just taking turns beating him up. I think that's Jamie Collins. That's it. I think he's in the basement in some New York NFL office. You think Goodell's going to take off the mask and we're going to see him playing left guard for the Patriots? Like week 19? Thursday night game, pretty good one.

This is a good one. Finally, Green Bay at Detroit. Can... I need a ruling. Can we officially call them the rejuvenated Lions? Or do we need one more win? It's weird to me. Like the Lions and Bears, I was actually looking at their schedule

to see if they can make the playoffs, and it's gonna be tough. The Lions? Are they 4-7? They're 4-7. The Bears actually have a better shot at 5-6, even though it's not really a shot. Yeah, three weeks ago this game was played. We all had Green Bay on a teaser. We all lost.

And now it's a rematch. What do you think? Packers 3-1. See, here's where the cheating comes in. I said six. I went too high. I should be better at this by now. It's three and a half. You got it.

I don't think the Packers, that was a really bad loss. We don't know what to make of them. It's a bad loss on Thursday night. Yeah. Shit, not acceptable. I just, I think we talked about it. I'm going to say, we talked about it last'm gonna say we talked about it last week we did talk about it how is this packers offense forget they don't have to score 40 anymore if they score

27 they're gonna win these games and devonta adams can't get open and when he does he drops every pass i just don't get what's going on lacy's fumbling this isn't this isn't your dad's packers and the lions jim bob cooter came in vintage cooter i thought on thursday vintage cooter came up with the uh the earth-shattering brainstorm that matthew stafford should throw to calvin johnson a lot yeah he's like hey guys get in here i have an idea right what if we throw to calvin johnson the best receiver of this decade over and over again do you think that'll work that was good yeah and around the red zone maybe we'll throw to him every time until he catches it because he's six six i was playing

against stafford and calvin johnson and must win fantasy games and uh my day my week was done by 11 30 a.m on thanksgiving but yeah i don't get it with calvin johnson like and even with sammy watkins i know these guys have been banged up but you don't see them for seven weeks and then you hear the you know the the color commentary guy like well listen that's just you know these guys are just too athletic to cover like they haven't done anything in five weeks why is it why is it like that where they could take off time like this but well sammy watkins went on vacation last monday night is that what he did he went to butler island right that's i guess what it was yeah you can't get three catches he had a little shack on butler island for three hours yeah i guess anonymous he's hiding from the

paparazzi i guess butler island's been a good vacation destination this year for a lot of wide receivers butler island a lot a lot more uh more desired location than Revis Island. But it really is going to be Butler Island now. Belichick has this sixth sense of when to get rid of people. Yeah. They basically shed Revis and avoided that contract and knew Butler was ready to step in. They shed Wilfork, which if you watched the Pats close to last year, you knew he was basically done. They replaced him with a bunch of guys.

They always know. Hopefully they know to get rid of the punt returner who ruined my game last night. He's gone. There's no way. If we check Twitter, that guy's gone. At least he has to cry in front of the whole team. And say he's sorry. I think it's better if you cry.

I like it. San Francisco you cry. I like it. All right, San Francisco Sunday, San Francisco at Chicago. I don't care if we lose a game in which the league is clearly determined that they want us to lose a game. That's fine with me. Good. That's fine. We put up a great fight.

You know what meant a lot to me was the 69-second drive to get the game-tying field goal when they decided to run the clock off without telling Brady. Which one? But they said to run the clock off without telling Brady. Which one? But they said they did the right thing there. They did the right thing, except for the part he thought it was a timeout and they never told him. He's sitting there at the line like he thinks it's a dead clock.

And meanwhile, 10 seconds run off. Right, right. Well, but hey, that was not, again, not one of the top 10 fishiest things about last night's game. Who was supposed to call a timeout there? I don't remember that. It was a timeout. It was a Denver injury timeout. They had some

weird rule that I think I've heard of twice in my life, and Brady thought it was a real timeout. They never told him. When you're at a timeout but you have an injury timeout, you essentially just get an extra timeout. If that was Brock Osweiler, the referee would have gone over and explained the rule to him for 45 seconds and been like, hey, listen, be

ready when that whistle blows. You've got to call that play right away. This is great. Handsome six foot eight Brock Osweiler. I love it. I hope the Denver Lasses come at him this week and he ends up in some terrible... Is there a Kardashian he can date? No.

Is it wrong that I'm scared of Brock Osweiler? Can Manning come back? What do you mean you're scared he's going to come to your house? I think he's raised the ceiling of their team. Yeah. Like the Broncos were right off. I was not afraid of them in the playoffs. And now I'm like, that dude throws a 50-yard deep ball.

That's kind of nice. I feel bad for Kubiak because Peyton Manning is going to have to, he's going to force him to make a decision, isn't he? And I know everyone's talking about this. Would you waive Peyton Manning right now? Well, the thing is, he's not going to be any less injured than this in three weeks than he is in september 2016 so you kind of have to name osweiler your starting quarterback if they find

me a broncos fan who wants peyton manning to come back and lead the team at this point everyone's in on i know but it's not that easy you know manning's gonna be a consultant to the team and he's gonna be side by side with elway like it doesn't you, you don't, you can't just cut ties with him. They're dumping him. He doesn't get along with Elway. He'll be in like Tennessee or Houston or somewhere next year. I don't know. Let me ask you something.

Yeah. You read, you read Peter King's column on Monday, right? Puts in a little tidbit about how Manning, Manning came down at halftime to go over some stuff he saw with Osweiler. Oh, I saw that, yeah. Why wasn't Manning on the sidelines? Maybe he could have helped for three hours instead of just for four minutes.

I thought it was just during halftime they spoke, right? But why not just be in the sidelines? Isn't one of the smartest football minds of all time kind of an asset on the sideline during your biggest game of the year? He's just going into the owner's suite? Yeah. It's weird, right?

Papa John's commercial in the first half. Doesn't want to help out for three hours? I don't know. One more thing I'm upset about. Collinsworth and I are...

You're breaking up? Yeah, I put his stuff in a box. He wasn't rooting hard enough for the Patriots for you yesterday? That bothered me. I put his stuff in a box.

He has to get it. Oh, no. He has to come get it when I'm not here. Because he said Gronkowski pushed off. No, it's just like he knows those calls were terrible. He's like, oh, I'm not sure if that was. It's like, come on.

He didn't. Come on, Collinsworth. You know with him. Don't be such a coward. I like, they'll show the replay, and then there's like five seconds of silence. It's like. Oh, no. That's it.

That's all he's going to say. Bronx had one offensive pass interference from 2011 to 2014 total. He said six this year. I don't know. These guys are not allowed to crap on the league. Six offensive pass interferences. That's a play that gets called four times a year until this year. Right.

I believe that. That was bad. I thought that was bad. I thought the Chung one was the worst you mean the one where we were already sacking the quarterback and chung put his hand on thomas's shoulder for a half second that somehow messed up the play i should not have done that it's great look congratulations you need to be concerned with brady was taking some monster hits even when he wasn't sad i know i didn't like that monster hits, even when he wasn't sacked. I know, I didn't like that. Monster hits. I didn't like that at all. Legal and everything. San Francisco or Chicago?

Oh. We're going to the Sunday games now. Yep. First late. I think we should hear the dog barking. That means we should take the underdog Niners here. I had the Bears minus seven over the Niners. Yeah, you got that exactly.

I said six. I thought seven was a little high. Yeah, you got that exactly. I said six. I thought seven was a little high. I'm two for two today. Exactly. You're two for two. You've focused your anger on the Lions here. Blaine Gabbert. I didn't listen to myself yet again, but a good example of like, oh, Colin Kaepernick.

Now Blaine Gabbert's in there. And it's actually, he's better than Colin Kaepernick. And you realize how good he is when you have the Cardinals or anyone playing the Niners on a teaser, and you're just surviving. Blank average throw. And really, Bolden ran a bad route at the end, like one or two yards short, which is weird. Otherwise, they would have kept going.

And that Quentin Dial helmet-to-helmet on Palmer. Do we feel like this is the most backdoor covers we've ever had? There's a lot. Or teams favored by 7-11 that win but don't cover? It seems like we've had like 20 this year. You mean like the Seattle? Just all of them. The Pats have four by themselves.

There's a lot, yeah. It's fun. Oh, it makes it so good. All right, Baltimore-Miami. I hit this one exactly, so maybe I could steal one from you here. The Dolphins, the first ever double cross-off. Yeah. Got crossed off four weeks in.

The eraser got uncrossed. They lost four to five under Campbell now after being rejuvenated. They fired the offensive coordinator today. I have the Dolphins by three over the Ravens. All right, it's four and a half. Four and a half? Yeah, I think... Should the Dolphins be favored by more than three

over anyone at home? They don't even have a home field advantage. Not a home field advantage at all, but short week for Baltimore, I guess. Jets at Giants. Technically a Giant home game. I have the Giants by two and a half, and I think this is an extremely dangerous game for them.

You get this one. I said Giants by three. Jets by one. Whoa! Six and five versus five and six. So that's a Jets defensive line against a Ravage Giants offensive line line. I guess that's it.

Right? I guess that's it. That is not a team you want to play with a messed up offensive line. No. The good news for the Giants is that 6-10 is probably going to win the NFC, so they can afford to lose this game. Listen, if they decide to extend the season two games,

if there's an 18-game season, the Cowboys can win this division at 6-12. I figured it out. I was up until like 2-30 in the morning figuring it out. Are you only two back? Two back. The Redskins are 5-6. Yeah.

They're home, Dallas, Monday night. Yeah. So you could take that one. All of a sudden, you're a game back. Yeah, I don't even want to have this discussion. Redskins at Chicago. That's a tough one. Home for Buffalo.

At Philly on a Saturday. And then at Dallas, you play them twice. You go 2-0, it's the Redskins. You win the division. Well, the Giants are going to have something to say about that. You were betting the Giants to win the NFC the other day. Well, now I'm going to get better odds. We never did it.

Giants now, I looked at it for Super Bowl, is 28-1. But they have tough games. They already have six losses, and they have the Jets this week with no offensive line. And then Week 15, home for Carolina. Right. And then Week 16 at Minnesota that is maybe the toughest of the three I mean that's at least eight losses yeah well there's no wins for any of these teams on the scale you can't say all the Redskins are winning this this

and this it's bad meanwhile the the Eagles play at New England against our entire second string. And then a three-week homestand, Buffalo, Arizona, Washington on a Saturday. And then at the Giants in week 17. I mean, they're still in it. And they got killed. I guess so. They got outscored 90-31 the last two weeks. They give up 45. Well, we'll get to that line soon.

But they give up back-to-back 45s. You can't be looking at the regular season, rest of the season, saying they're going to win anything. Here's to... You know I love Bill Barnwell. He's like family. Sure. He did this whole Chip Kelly, the GM hurting Chip Kelly, the coach thing,

which I'm not against because Chip Kelly, the GM, was terrible. Right. But let's not lose sight of how bad Chip Kelly, the coach, has been. Sure, yeah. Their defense can't cover. Have you ever seen a defense just give up more passes over the middle and long and deep? They're a disaster. How about this?

Maybe abandon the hurry-up offense when you see how poorly your defense is playing. Right? Yeah. You've got this hurry-up offense that's going three and out every time with Mark Sanchez. And that defense is on the field. They're like, yeah, we gave up 45 points because the offense ran eight plays today. Systems don't work in the NFL that you just stick to with no variance at all. It just doesn't work.

You know what the 10-1 New England Patriots do? That could be 11-0 if 12 calls hadn't Groning is from last night. They cheat. Other than cheating. Every week, new game plan. Is that what it is? Yeah. Just looks at whatever the team that's coming, comes up with a game plan for them. It's funny because even their fans thought it was going to be just LeGarrette Blount all day, right?

Well, we didn't realize he died three weeks ago. See, that's the thing. They really hide the injury reports. When a player dies, he should have to put it on there. You've got to report that. That somebody's just dead. That's crazy. Not since, well, Corey Dillon in 2005 was pretty bad.

Marion Butts really was the all-timer. Parcells brought Marion Butts in in the mid-90s. Wow. And we got him maybe four years too late. And he just ran into the line and fell down for an entire year and everybody was going crazy about it but that's what Blunt's doing now

it's like what happened to the guy who it took four guys to bring him down can that guy come back? he'll be back I'm sure Jacksonville, Tennessee I can't believe we're going to be a three seed I can already feel it god damn it we're going to be a three seed. I can already feel it. Oh, stop it. God damn it.

We'll be 11-1 after this week. We're going to end up 12-4 with a three seed and hosting the freaking Jets in week one. Or round one. I hope it's the Patriots. I hope it's the Steelers. With our 29th offensive line combination. Congrats again to Goodell. What's this next game?

Jacksonville, Tennessee. Jacksonville or Tennessee. This is my favorite podcast. I have the Titans by two and a half. Yeah, well, how did you get that? That's ridiculous. Why? I had to pick them.

The Jacks are favored by four in Jacksonville, so you figure it's three-pointed for the home team. Should be a pick-em. Nah. Tennessee's two and nine. All right. Jacksonville was bad too If I'm Tennessee

Well I guess there's no Tried and true number one overall pick right In the NBA Tennessee would be tanking Yeah Thing is these coaches are just coming They're just going to be gone I don't know how much you Here's a positive note on Barnwell

Really good idea about Philly trading Chip Kelly to Tennessee oh could they could Chip Kelly arrange for that

being the GM could he trade himself he'd trade himself what if you're Tennessee what would you give up for Chip Kelly or are you convinced

he's not a pro coach I don't know tickets to the AMAs 7th rounder yeah 8th 6th rounder yeah take a year flyer on him I guess of pro coach? I don't know. Tickets to the AMAs? Seventh rounder? Yeah. Eighth, sixth rounder? Yeah. Take a year flyer on him?

I guess. I don't know. I don't know about that guy. Is he definitely a genius? Is he a genius? Oh, definitely not a genius. No. Go back to college. Not a genius. Although, got an unbelievable Nick Foles performance.

Right, that's true. And Nick Foles now isn't a professional quarterback anymore. Did you see those passes he threw yesterday? Yeah, it's bad. One of those passes was one of the five worst passes in the history of football. It was up for 10 seconds. Right. I think concussions are maybe contagious.

I don't know. Do you have to get knocked down? I think last night's Pats game gave me a concussion. Yeah. I took myself out. No, I reported myself. I reported headache. Headache symptoms.

The Simmons injury report. I love it. All right. Seattle at Minnesota. This is a good game. Vikings by two and a half. All right. I said Vikings by four because they are a better team, I think a good deal better than

the Legion of Boom bust of Seattle. And it's Seattle by one. Wow. It was Seattle by one and a half. So you're going to get that. And very quietly, Seattle is kind of coming on. They beat the Niners, and they beat the Seahawks in their offenses. I mean, they beat the niners and they beat the they beat the seahawks and their offenses i mean they beat the steelers in there and in the cardinal game they put up 32 although a couple of those

were defensive but um they're scoring points now the jimmy graham thing is that gonna how much is that gonna matter yes it didn't feel like They said yesterday during the Steelers game that he was sixth in receptions for tight ends, which I was like, wow, sixth. That's pretty good. It seems like they never threw to him. I know. I wonder if just him being there makes a difference. But their defense is bad.

They still had 456 yards passing against them. That's bad. 200 to one guy. I don't know. You know what's interesting? Sherman was really good yesterday. Sherman and Antonio Brown was a battle. But everyone else sucks. And they still didn't go to Antonio Brown.

I think like 50 yards. It's weird. But this Vikings team, that defense is very solid. I think people got thrown off by that Packers game. But Anthony Barr punching out balls and monster sacks that Everson Griffin just like swinging guys around. I like that team. Martavis Bryant is Odell Beckham Jr. without the New York media and the press behind him.

Oh, maybe. Yeah. But that guy makes just as many. I mean, Beckham makes the spectacular YouTube catches. But I'm just as scared of Bryant when I watch those games. I mean, yesterday we bet on the Steelers. Double covered a lot. That guy is the fastest guy in the league. Yeah.

They're good. They're really good. Are they not going to make the playoffs? This is amazing to me. They might not make the playoffs. All right, Houston at Buffalo. Hold on. Steelers 6-5, Indy Sunday night at Cincy, home for Denver, at Baltimore, at Cleveland.

It gets a little easy towards the end, but... It's either 9-7 or 10-6. I just feel like he could score every time they go up and down the field every time. Don't you? And how is D'Angelo Williams, how is he not a starting running back? I know. How do you just have that guy on your bench as your second stringer? It's too good.

He's 200 times better than LeGarrette Blount. Well, he hasn't died yet. There's a lot going on for him. Houston at Buffalo. I like this one. Is this a loser-leaves-town match? No. Well, no, because Indy's probably going to lose to Pittsburgh,

so Houston will still be up. Are we sure? What if Roethlisberger doesn't play? I think he's playing. They're saying that it wasn't even a concussion now. What are they saying? Well, he was dizzy coming off the field, and it didn't come from a hit. I was dizzy after the Pats game.

I have Steelers by five over the Colts. Steelers? Oh, I thought we were doing Houston-Buffalo. Oh, I screwed up. See, I told you I was dizzy. Houston and Buffalo. I had the Bills by three over the Texans. Yeah, you're going to get—oh, no, we split it. I said four, and it. Houston and Buffalo. I had the Bills by three over the Texans. Yeah, you're going to get...

Oh, no, we split it. I said four, and it's three and a half. The Bills showed me a lot there. I thought... Yeah. I thought, like, we had the Chiefs in the adjusted line, and I said, oh, man, we might be in trouble. They got down 10-0.

I was like, this could be one of those games where they just don't score. Yeah. And they did. He throws long now. Tyrod. Oh, Tyrod. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Alex Smith. He score. Yeah. And they did. He throws long now. Tyrod. Oh, Tyrod. Oh, yeah, Alex Smith. He throws long.

Yeah, he does. He throws deep. They haven't had a turnover since week three. But you said the Bills showed you something, so the Chiefs showed you something. The Chiefs showed me something. I'm sorry. Yeah. Because both teams showed me something in that game.

I was impressed by the Bills were able to move the ball a little bit. They're having really bad luck with their running backs. They can't get Carlos Williams and McCoy to just play four quarters together. Now Williams is out again. I thought Tyrod Tell after that Monday game, it looked like he wasn't going to raise his arm at all. You think he was playing that up? I don't know what was going

on there. He probably just got his probably just ached. Stinger or something? They just shot him up with something. He's fine. Take this, Tyrod. It'll be great. Don't fine. Take this, Tyrod. It'll be great. Don't be intimidated by this eight-inch needle. Arizona at St. Louis.

Who do you like more, Chiefs-Bills, for playoff purposes? Chiefs. I like the Chiefs, too. Rex, in a playoff game, Rex will shoot them in the foot. He'll get them too fired up. They'll have their usual 12 terrible penalties. I think the two, okay, if it's Chief Steelers, I don't think, are the Steelers in that sixth spot now? I think it's probably the Jets.

But if it ends up Chief Steelers, I think they're better than the division winners, the corresponding division winners. Oh, yeah. We could have two. Even Denver. Even better than Denver. No, Osweiler's pretty good, man. Meh.

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All right, back to the line. Arizona at St. Louis. This is one of their losses, right? Back when St. Louis was a real team. I don't know. I think the Rams... Do you have a team every year that costs you the most money? That should be an award.

They should hand that out at NFL Honors. The Rams have cost me the most money this year. Yeah. The money we put down on them to win the NFC, which was basically set on fire. And then just over and over again, I've been wrong. Yeah. They're a cross-off. I don't think we officially crossed them and over again, I've been wrong. Yeah. They're a cross-off. I don't think we officially crossed them off.

No, they're crossed off. Yeah, let's cross them off. All right. I have cards minus seven over the Rams, and I'm going to parlay the cards with Jeff Fisher getting fired before week 17. Ooh, I like that. Yeah. Before 17.

Yeah. I had seven and a half. I went too high. You went too high. It's six. But I still get it. You get it. And that's a teaser game, right?

Jeff Fisher is proof that when you've been a 500 coach for more than 12 years, it's probably a bad sign. Yeah. He's been a 500 coach since like 2004. Is that what it is? Yeah, something like that. Why don't you make up a bad record for him and then they'll fire him. They'll have no choice but to fire him. Oh, like I did with Wizard Hunt?

Yes. I couldn't add that. I couldn't add. I can't add. I think he's 3-75 in the last 18 years or something. Something like that. You've lost four straight, though. I want this team to move to L.A. The Rams?

Yeah. Of all the teams, which one would you want? The Rams. The Rams, right? Well, also because they were here. It feels okay. It feels like a divorced couple getting back together. Right, yeah.

I want the Rams to come here. I'm trying to think of a divorced couple we know that we'd want to get back together. Jimmy and Gina? Yeah, I think they wouldn't come back. Carson Palmer, 22-4, the last 26 games. Wait, you've been cheating on me by going to Corolla's to watch football. You've got to do it. You have to come over. I saw a picture. You were there last week. It's the best museum in LA.

He's got 35 cars. I might go on Sunday. Okay, good. Let's get it together. What is his state of sobriety midway through the second set of games? I'm getting like death threats from Corolla listeners. What do you mean?

Listeners like, you guys crap on Corolla all the time. Ewan Simmons, it's not fair. Hey, Adam, you hear what they're saying about you? Who says that? I don't know. Just people who listen to both of us. Adam's our friend. We love to make fun of Adam.

Of course. I say it to his face all the time. Yeah, what have we said on the podcast that we wouldn't say right to him? Exactly. We have a good time. He was pretty sober this weekend. He was all right. He bet on the podcast that we wouldn't say right to him? Exactly. We have a good time. He was pretty sober this weekend. He was all right.

He bet on the Pats during the Super Bowl, and we've had like seven injuries since that happened. It's been bad since. Yeah. You can blame him. Well, I'm going to come. I want to see this all set. You're going to go nuts.

What are the over, under, and cruel lackeys that are there? How many lackeys is he up to? No, no. It's just a couple. Just a couple? Yeah, yeah. That's good. Like three? No,, no. It's just a couple. Just a couple? Yeah, yeah. That's good. Like three?

No, not even. Not even. What kind of food is there? Well, we ran it, and he's going to use this on his podcast for, I'm guessing, at least 40 minutes. But he said, don't bring any food. I have leftovers from Thanksgiving. Don't bring any food.

Oh, classic Corolla. Yeah. So he does bring all the food, but then his kids are there, Adam, And Lynette, his wife, goes behind his back and orders pizza for everyone. And he's going just berserk. She hates money. My wife hates money. Why does she hate it so much? Kids will eat whatever you put in front of them.

She's like, oh, they're done with Thanksgiving leftovers. Kids will eat whatever you put in front of them. They're hungry. Kids are animals. They'll eat it. So he's beside himself. She got some more Springsteen time, I saw. She did?

On Instagram. She went back for some sort of event. Multiple Springsteen. Relentless. They're going to have to keep her out of that SNL on December 19th. Oh, is that what it is? Tina Fey and Amy Poehler hosting, and Springsteen is the musical guest. She's getting in.

She's getting in somehow. It's going to happen. Maybe even disguised as tina fey you have to come in a wig you have to come i'm gonna come next week and then i think uh i'm also due to go on his podcast or vice versa i don't know how that hasn't happened yet because i really it's not like i can get fired no the danger with the old podcast was like i really got in trouble the one i went on when i was in espn in 2009 and he ends up in a whole thing about what it would be like if your daughter was in a bukkake film and would that be the worst

case scenario for your daughter or was it like some other scenario really and he's like i really think it would be just if somebody just just over and over money shots over and over again like just a series of that and i and i'm just there going like, I'm going to get fired. The mouse didn't go for that. They weren't happy. They were not happy with that. I actually was not allowed to go on his podcast anymore. You'll be happy to know that he's cleaned it up considerably.

There's no way he's cleaned up anything. What are you talking about? Atlanta, Tampa Bay. Atlanta at Tampa Bay. This is Louis Relief's town, I think. Yeah. What does it matter? Yeah. I want to believe in Tampa Bay. Atlanta at Tampa Bay. This is loser leaves town, I think. Yeah. What does it matter? I want to believe in Tampa Bay. Sunday was the game to really believe in them, and

they couldn't pull it off. I have the Bucs by two over Atlanta. I said three, and it's two and a half, so we split that, right? You're gonna kill me. They scored 12 points against the crappy Colts, lose they lose to matt they scored 12 points against the crappy colts and they lose to matt hasselbeck is matt hasselbeck like the ninth best quarterback

in the league we might see matt hasselbeck and landry jones this week right for the nbc game in all seriousness would you rather matt hasselbeck or matt ryan if if the if there's a playoff game in your life depending on it i'm starting to go your way a little bit on this. We did this last week, and you dragged poor Tate into it. Sorry, Tate. But Matt Ryan has not been good. Ten interceptions the last six weeks or something. Just can't move the ball. And Julio Jones is just a par player right now.

You think he's checked out? It just doesn't make sense. Their stats don't make sense. Like Devonta Freeman's back up there, he had 100 yards not bad uh coleman um all right cincinnati at cleveland i like the bucks i'm just shorting the falx yeah shorting them why not disappointing performance by them this season why not what's the next one cincinnati at cleveland oh man this is yet another the bay i'm gonna take the bangles and they're gonna win by one point less than whatever the line is Maddie of Cleveland. Oh, man. This is yet another. I'm going to take the Bengals, and they're going to win by one point less than whatever the line is.

I have the Bengals by eight and a half. This was a Thursday game. You get this. I had plus nine. It's seven. Okay. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Wow, you're killing me today.

I had to do this for you. I had to cheat because we got cheated last night. So I cheated on the Lions. Didn't they play the Thursday night game and they got destroyed? Why is this so low? Seven. I actually took a pill to eliminate all the Bengals-Browns games from my memory. You did? Yeah.

Yeah. Did that. Oh, wow. I was good. I can't remember anything. All right. Here's another weird line. Kansas City at Oakland. Chiefs minus three at Oakland.

Why so low? Yeah, you get this also. I said four. It's three. Oakland's a little frisky. It's a good week for you. Chiefs aren't great. Great secondary.

No turnover since week three. Denver at San Diego. These are the late afternoon games. Sorry. Starting with Casey at Oakland. Denver, San Diego. My man Brock Osweiler. That six foot eight strapping, handsome, Peyton Manning job stealer.

I have him laying five to San Diego. I said five also. Only three. Another fix. Can we set up Brock Osweiler with Kendall Jenner in the next three weeks? Can somebody make that happen? You think so? Yeah.

He's too pale. He'll never go for it. Right? Yeah, maybe he should be. He doesn't have a dollar sign in his name. It's not going to work. He'll never go for it. Carolina at New Orleans.

Panthers by seven. I went too low. No, you went right on. I said eight. I thought about this a while. Let's sit back for a second here. It seems like there's a couple teasers we could make here. Saints aren't beating Panthers, right?

Ten days to prepare for that defense. Cards is a stay away because the Rams play well three times a year. You think so? That looks like one of them. Yeah, I think that's a stay away. We're done with the Rams. Are you kidding me? They already lost to the Rams.

All right. Bears, are we allowed? I forget. There was a law passed a couple years ago that said you're not allowed to tease Jay Cutler. I can't remember if that was repealed. Everyone's not as good on the road. Let's go

against Frisco. What about Cincinnati? We'll go Frisco and Lina. Carolina and Chicago. Do you care that Carolina's good or people in Carolina don't support the Panthers? How does that work? Oh, yeah.

People love the Panthers. Okay. People love the Panthers, according to Tate. Well, this is the best teaser game on the board anyway, so I should have waited. Philly. Who does Sean Payton coach next year? I don't know. Maybe he goes to Tennessee.

If I'm Sean Payton, I want to coach the LA Rams. Oh, really? Yeah. Hmm. Then I'm Sean Payton, I want to coach the LA Rams. Oh, really? Yeah. Hmm. Then I'd take Drew Brees with me. Yeah, talk about divorces. Like a Pacino, Jamie Foxx, end of any given Sunday type of move. They need a divorce in the worst way, the Saints and Sean Payton.

That's not happening. That's another team that Roger Goodell destroyed. The Saints fans know what I'm talking about. What up, Nola? Wow. You know what I'm talking about. What up, Nola? Wow. You know what I'm talking about. Philly at New England. I saw this line pre-Gronkowski.

See, is Gronkowski in this line? I mean, it's almost like we should cross this line. I had the Pats by eight. Eight? Yeah. Eight. He came up 45 two weeks in a row. We have Scott Chandler,

Deadly Garrett Punt, James Waite. How many years have we been doing this? Brandon LaFell. This might be our biggest discrepancy ever. I said 17 and I wasn't even kidding. It's right in the middle. It's 13. Did people see the team we had

out last night? 45 points twice. How many times can we run the wheel route for Scott Chandler? A lot. You'll see. That's a ridiculous sign. We should not be favored by 10 over anyone if Brock's not playing. We're teasing this. Who even gets that?

I said 17. I get it. I had 17. I get it. They better revive LeGarrette Blount. He was buried alive three weeks ago. We're going to dig him out. Sunday night, Indianapolis at Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh by five? I got this exactly. I said six. That's our teaser. I don't know, Al. They can't keep losing these. I mean, there's Von Miller. He just hit Brady with a two-by-four 17 seconds after he released the pass.

No call. I don't know, Al. There was a call on Von Miller. I don't know, Al. Patrick Chung touched somebody with his finger 48 yards away from the play as the quarterback was getting sacked. I don't know, Al. That could go either way.

Collinsworth, grow a sack. Jesus. Listen, we haven't laid into Mike Collinsworth. Grow a sack. Jesus. Listen, we haven't laid into Mike Tomlin enough. I'm the all-time Collinsworth defender, but really,

don't watch that and not say anything, Collinsworth. He hates my team too, but I love him. My God. Mike Tomlin. He's losing his mind.

I think like, Belichick is the only coach that, you know what he's going to do in a certain situation. That's nice. You know how Howard Stern feels about this.

That's why people are comfortable with him. But Tomlin, up 16-14, goes for two. And then the announcers defended it. That's what he does. It's like, what? Nobody does that. The next time down, or two drives later, fourth and two from the three, he kicks a field goal yeah so he'll take

three points from the three yard line but seven but and two from the two yard line but not seven for like it's with the same chance and then like then he fakes that field goal on fourth and two with Jarvis Landry Jones throwing to number 78 that 78 was open though he had the coverage he was open they waited 10 seconds to snap it. It was like, all right, everyone got their man? Okay, let's do this now. No way we're getting two yards with LeGarrette Blount. Tomlin, I really enjoyed Tomlin's coaching unless you've wagered on him.

Because when you've wagered on him, it is really like playing blackjack with some random dude at the table who's like, I'm going to split tens. It's like, what? What are you doing? You're not allowed to do it. Don't do that. Well, technically you're allowed to do it. He's like split tens.

Yeah, he's splitting tens. Double down on weird stuff. Like taking a hit on 18. So bad. Mike Tomlin. Drunk guy at a blackjack table. I don't know what it was. That's bad.

Cut him off. Turn the overhead camera on. It was really like, we're going to blow this. We have double digits on an adjusted line parlay here, and he's going to blow this on that. Al, I don't know. Tom, I just went for two. Up by two with a minute left.

I don't know, Al. I don't know. I think we win with Carolina-Pittsburgh teaser. I'm saying that now. It makes me so mad that the Colts are somehow over.500 with just a series of garbage wins. Yeah. Although they looked good yesterday.

I'm happy for Matt Hasselbeck. They look okay. They're playing defense. Dallas at Washington. You won this week. Who's your quarterback? Castle? It's Matt Castle.

Remember he went 11-5 with the Patriots? Yeah, it was 2008. Matt Castle? It's Matt Castle. Remember he went 11-5 with the Patriots? Yeah, it was 2008. I'm going to say the last time Matt Castle went 11-5, Carolla was doing radio with Danny Bonaduce. Wow. Yeah, that's when it was, right? Way back. Red Washington professional football team by six and a half over your Cowboys.

I get this. I said two because there's a definite Vegas bias. No matter who's playing for the Cowboys, it's four. Matt Cassel's only getting four points in Washington against a pretty good defense. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't know. I don't know what to say. Washington maybe too much parting after this victory yesterday.

I don't know the sense in that line either. What are the odds of somebody just completely melting down on the Dallas sideline in one of the worst ways possible? Is Dez favored over Greg Hardy? If I could get on the sideline, the odds go down considerably. Is this the game you're going to? No, I'm going against the Jets December 18th, 19th. You're still going to go to that?

Jimmy's coming with me. Is he really? Yeah. We have plans. We're going to hang out with the players. You're going to hang out with the players? Now it's fun, yeah. I don't want to say much.

By the way, uh and i felt bad but the romo like he doesn't practice wednesdays when you play thursday it's always going to be a rough thing like it happened last thanksgiving too i don't even want to talk about it he uh there's been some it might be over for tony yeah i still think we can get to the Super Bowl next year. He's 36 and he's broken his clavicle 47 times. I know. I know all about it. You know, the big winner, if he retired, I know it would hurt. Who is it?

TV viewers. Why? I think he immediately takes Sims' job. Oh. Don't you think? He could be the number one color analyst for somebody. I think he'd do like a studio thing first. You think so't you think? He could be the number one color analyst for somebody. I think he'd be, do like a studio thing first. You think so?

Like a Fox, yeah. Between you and me. What would you do? Let's not let this get out, but I could see him doing like a Fox studio thing. Fox studio thing? No, he's got a few years left. Let's not say that. But listen, I do want to tell you, if you don't want to watch this Monday game, if you're sick of Dow rooting against them or whatever uh there's a new show on spotify it runs on the

spotify act yeah it's real it's weird i don't want to get into corolla territory but it's soft core porn it's called farmer and adele and uh it's a weird thing she's in this remote place in nebraska and this farmer's like the only one who could supply eggs, and she wants to sing for him, but that's apparently not enough. Is Adele in it? Adele's in it, yeah. Did she make this before she became famous, or she did it recently? No, she did it like a month ago, which is weird.

You have enough money, why are you even doing this? Wow. So yeah, she's in the kitchen cooking, and then the farmer comes with his eggs. It's on Spotify. I've been watching this show on Netflix. Go ahead. You can't even make up a stupid app.

It's called The Boss of Me. No, it's on Netflix. All right. It's about this, it's a former radio host who then launches a successful podcast network. And his wife is in love with Bruce Springsteen. And starts following him around and it's it gets dark it's actually dark it spirals out of control and it's a love triangle with bruce springsteen the radio host and the wife and there's a radio somebody dies in the

last day i mean it's long you have to binge watch it it's six episodes the last one something bad wow look at our blunt dies in the last episode? No, he died last season. I would watch the crap out of that. I saw Creed too. I don't know how much time you have, but I loved it.

Loved it. I've seen it twice. I took the kids on Saturday. Loved it. You know what's great about Creed? Everything? It was great.

Ten minutes too long, but it was great. Yeah, maybe a little longer. But I like that our generation now gets to take our kids to a Rocky movie yeah

really makes me happy it's fun it wasn't hokey like the last two no Sly wasn't Slern is you know

great Sly performance Sly was really good like nominatable I think so no question right I had Michael B. Jordan on on Monday

and he was saying how Sly went Sly went to Copland Sly. He like stripped it down. He didn't do any of that. So I feel... The only thing I didn't like was the pound for pound guy.

A little bit of a gut. Yeah, he was a little out of shape. I agree with you. It was weird. He was the guy, you know, 170 pounds and you know. I think they cast him and then he got excited and celebrated for two weeks straight. He ate his way out. Yeah.

He was a little heavy. But I was thinking about the Rocky series because Spike had a marathon. Uh-huh. Right. And as usual, these networks, they all screw it up. They always have the end of Rocky 1 and then they show Rocky 2, but it's basically the same ending again. And then they just don't cut it so that it's it's smooth to watch twice but they went from rocky four to

rocky five in my i'm okay i'm okay with throwing out rocky five and i'm also don't tell slide but i'm okay with throwing out rocky balboa too and going right from rocky going right from rocky four to creed yeah like when we have marathons, first IV and then Creed. That's fine. Just toss the other two out. It's like Halloween. I'm with you. Halloween I, Halloween II,

go right to H20. I don't need any other Halloweens. Right. Strip them all out for the marathon. I don't think I'm giving away anything in the movie, but obviously, even if you haven't seen, you'll know that there's a scene where Creed, the kid, is having a little trouble.

And Rocky approaches him and is like, I want to stop this. There's no way I'm going to let you die just like I let your father die, you know? Yeah. Just once, I like to hear the box like, holy shit, you're right. This is eerily similar. Stop this fight. Get me out of here. What are you talking about?

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. I'm losing on points and get me out of here what are you talking about yeah yeah you're right yeah i'm losing on points and get me out but what about the the actress who played apollo creed's wife in rocky two three four gets just cruelly bumped for felicia rashad she was right yeah who looked like who looked like the actress side by side because i had to think about it for a second i was like no that's not her and then they had the av Avon Barksdale cameo in the beginning as Duke's son. Little known fact. Because I didn't notice that until the second time. The other trainer's son, right.

Duke went, when Apollo died, a part of me died too, but now you're the one. That Duke from the bald black guy from the first four. That's right. So Avon Bsdale was his son but what i couldn't figure out is he goes to the philly gym and his old buddy who has the son that the leo whatever yeah was that old buddy in another rocky movie because he didn't look familiar i don't remember saying him were you upset that the the slash son from rocky babo and then marie the girl that he met no they could go. They smartly got rid of both

of those. I want to ask you again, turn it low if you're going to see the movie. It was a great... So let's just say the podcast is over. If you've seen Creed, keep listening. If not, turn this off right now. Yeah, Creed's good.

And listen to the Michael B. Jordan podcast I did last week too because he has some info. The only thing bad about Creed is it inspired me to Go see it, too. Yeah, Creed's good. And listen to the Michael B. Jordan podcast I did last week, too, because he has some info. All right, go ahead. The only thing bad about Creed is it inspired me to bet that asshole Klitschko, and he was terrible. He landed less than one punch around,

and I can't believe I didn't drag you into that. He was like minus 450, and I put him on a parlay. And he was just... You saw the fight, right? I watched the last eight rounds, and it was... It was so miserable. He was as bad as any of the Johnny Ruiz fights.

Really, really bad. But compelling, though, because Klitschko hasn't lost in 10 years. He did 18 straight defenses. They were giving Tyson Fury a little too much credit there, I thought. A little too much. He didn't do much of anything. No, but I thought he controlled the fight. So you're just waiting for Klitschko to let go with that hammer right

at some point. And Roy Jones is like, he doesn't want to do it because he doesn't know where the counter's going to come from. Well, Fury's taunting him. He's got his hands behind his back half the fight. The counter's going to come from nowhere. I do think big boxers are a lot like centers

in the NBA where they just kind of fossilize like kuchko couldn't he couldn't throw the punches the point the last round he just started doing this basically yeah right right wait you know just flailing it's nice to hold when you're up but when you're when you're down 116 111 he couldn't see the angles what do you think the line was for uh adon Creed versus Ricky Conley? Minus 1,500 for Conley? Maybe more. Minus 2,000?

Yeah, maybe more. Because he didn't even look that impressive in his win. Michael B. was good as Creed. No, no, no. I know. No, he was great. But you're saying Conley didn't look good. No, I mean, he got knocked around a little in the fight.

No, he looked great. And the way they shot that, the one camera shoot for the fight was probably like a three minute. That alone is worth, worth the price of admission. I'd say. Yeah. There's three fight scenes in the movie. And the second fight scene,

they shot basically in one take. And Michael B said on the pod last week that they rehearsed it for, I don't know how many days, but they rehearsed it almost like a dance scene. That's four minutes long. It's phenomenal. And the cameras coming in and out. I had seen it on my iPad when I interviewed him, but I hadn't seen it on the big screen yet.

On the big screen, it was amazing. It was really, really great. So there's one part where I think it's Stallone that taps him on the back of the head to show him how many. Is it Stallone that taps him? No, I think it was the other guy. Oh, it's a trainer? Yeah. All right, then my thing is. We'd say it anyway, though. What taps him? No, I think it was the other guy. Oh, it's the trainer? Yeah. All right. Then my thing is.

Who'd say it anyway, though? Who does it? No. So the doctor comes in. He's got a big cut, Creed. And he asks him, how many fingers do I have up? And he holds two. And from Creed's perspective, you could see that he can't see anything.

Yeah. And the trainer taps him on the back of the head twice. And then he does it again with four fingers. And he taps him four times. And he guesses two and four. And they taps him four times and he and he guesses two and four and they let him fight but that's when rocky goes into his whole thing like i can't let you die here right oh you think after you tap yeah i was like why are you tapping him in the head could have the doctor stop it the best the best and biggest reason why that movie was good other

than jordan and sly was the director was really good. I mean, that was a real accomplished, up-and-coming, excellent director who directed that, which normally with sports movies you get, it's never somebody that accomplished. But there was real filmmaking in some of those scenes. I think that was one of the reasons I liked it. Loved it. My kids loved it. My son was in his seat sparring and fake punching and was ready to fight after.

It was great. It was good to relive through the younger generation. When they give him the trunks, my son's like, it's going to be the red, white, and blue trunks, Dad. I know it. I know it. That's easy. It is funny. Our generation with our kids watching the marathons and our kids know the whole series inside and out now.

Awesome. We did a good job. Would you have thrown in a Dolph Lundgren cameo or no? How? Oh, oh. Like just him ringside? Just smiling when Creed's going down? No, just like he's just next to Mikhail Prokhorov or somebody.

Well, maybe he's the butler for the Creed's. For Mrs. Creed? Yeah, yeah. Kind of like Biff was and back to the future he's waxing the car did you were you upset that stallone hadn't called apollo's uh widow since the funeral necessary i thought he may needed to explain that that he maybe he felt that fault for it or maybe he didn't need to explain it did you feel that when he gave away who won the third creed balboa fight oh yeah he was being honest

or was he was just being nice to no i think he was being nice i think he was being nice and i slowed that down a million times it looks like rocky's punch lands there and i don't think i don't think the thing that becomes a painting a leroy neiman painting yeah i don't know i think that's it it's just that one punch i think apollo had a little more to fight for in that third fight yeah rocky was just coming off the another clubber thing apollo's a little more fresh but here's why i don't think apollo won because apollo was relentless he would have kept fighting he fought he wouldn't have hung it up he would have said i want to fight rocky that's it i just beat him and i want to beat him for real. You know? True.

So you think Rocky beat him? He wasn't ready to retire. You think they just fought a couple rounds? Yeah. I think so. How do you even have a fight with nobody there and no way to track what time of the round it is? Ding, ding. That's what he said.

Anything to plug? Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight. Ridiculous six special. Adam Sandler, Taylor Lautner, Luke Wilson, Terry Crews, Jorge Garcia, and Rob Schneider all on tonight. Jorge Garcia. Jorge Garcia's in the movie. Hurley's in there.

Yep. And Full Out Boys to Men. That's our Monday mashup. And, yeah, watch that. SportsCenter 5-1 last two weeks. Wow. 3-0 this week. 9-3 with my best bets this year. Yes. Come on, Simmonsmons what's going on and uh hit me up at the cousin sal at uh on twitter

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