The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 37: Simulcast Grab Bag w/ Juliet Litman & Chris Ryan

Episode Date: December 10, 2015

HBO's Bill Simmons proves you're never too old to watch 'The Challenge.' It's a good old fashioned grab bag simulcast w/ Juliet discussing Tony's libido (3:00 mark), Nany's new-found confidence (12:00), Johnny Bananas' knack for toasting (14:00), Jenna vs. Brianna (31:00) and C.T.'s inevitable return to TV (38:00). Next up, Chris Ryan comes on to chat about 'Survivor' (41:00), the Sixers' new addition (52:00), Russell Westbrook's real estate dealings (56:00) and Gordon Hayward's decked out Hacienda style home(1:02:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey. We're playing my music for my Bill Simmons podcast, even though we're simulcasting. This is maybe the biggest podcast simulcast of all time. Maybe. Maybe because it's never been done before, but also because the topic is really important. That's Juliet Libman. We work together at Grantland. We're working together on our next venture.

Later, she's going to be talking about Survivor and the NBA with Chris Ryan. It's like a grab bag. He's sitting there staring at us right now while working on his computer. We're going to talk about the challenge. I'm so fired up. America's fifth professional sport. You used to have a podcast with our friend Dave Jacoby, who tragically passed away a couple months ago.

We were at his funeral set. No, he's not dead. He's very much alive. This was a big deal for us. For you, too. We love the challenge. We did. When we created Grantland June 2011, one of the goals was to give the challenge the proper

respect it deserved as one of the greatest sports. I had it like neck and neck with hockey. Actually, I have hockey maybe higher. I think it's ahead of baseball for me now. I have it fourth. Baseball's fifth. H actually, I have hockey maybe higher. I think it's ahead of baseball for me now. Oh. I have it fourth. Baseball's fifth. Hockey third. Basketball, football tied for first. It's probably third for me. NBA, Bachelor, Survivor, NFL. Nothing else exists. So they're in Turkey this year. They did a wrinkle called Bloodlines. A lot of the staples

from the old challenges. Yes. You know, Bananas, Nani, all these people. staples from the old challenges. Yes. You know, bananas, nani, all these people. They got to bring family members. Absolutely. So I went into this thinking, oh, they're family members. They're not going to fight. And then I realized like, oh, yeah, family members fight all the time.

What am I talking about? How many icy Thanksgivings or holidays have you had with your family where somebody said something that made somebody mad or of course they're going to fight? That's why there's so many movies about families because of their like you love them but you hate them and tony and shane when tony was on the real world he had issues with shane like we should have known that they would be like a hot button duo because oh when when shane came i think they had a crazy fight and then they made up they fight and then make up like more than a married couple basically. That seems to be maybe Tony's life. Tony

is like an all star for me. I am so happy he's here. Did you watch his season of Real World? Of course I watched the season of Real World. Sorry. Just making sure. What are you talking about? I'm just making sure. Even though I'm more than I always had a promise to myself as soon as I'm twice as old as anyone

on the Real World I'm out. No. I did not keep that promise to myself. As soon as I'm twice as old as anyone in the real world, I'm out. No. I did not keep that promise. I believe one of your maxims that you and Joe House share is you're never too old to watch the latest season of The Challenge. That is true. I will never feel guilty about The Challenge. Now I watch the real world, I'm scouting behavior for when my daughter is nine years old. I just want to know what I'm aware of.

I want to go over. We've had so many good things in the first two episodes. We really have. I took a lot of notes. Wow. The star of episode one was Tony. Absolutely. Is it?

I don't want to say somebody has an addiction. I think that's that's it's it's just not a good thing to say about somebody. Right. It's he loves sex. He loves sex. I think we can say that. He can't he can't say no to sex like if he was here right now and we were doing an interview with him i i feel like at some point he's making

a move on you even with the with the with the equipment rolling absolutely there's there's no limits to his he doesn't love sex doesn't care in his body of work he is we've now seen him have sex with like four different women, I think. How many exes did he have come to the ex's house? Two. One he called queen and one he called princess, which was insane. As he was dating somebody that he met in the house. Yes, as he was dating Madison, who was the third.

So him and Madison continued to date after the show. She got pregnant by him. Hard to believe. I know. It's really shocking news there somehow shane was via social media like implicated in their relationship as like a big part like it was like when she like tagged the picture she tagged tony shane and herself and like an account they made for the baby yeah and then like two weeks later she and tony broke up shocking i know all unbelievable can't can't believe any of this I'm

assuming they broke up because of what happens on the challenge like I don't know for sure but it makes sense with the timeline like maybe he'd be like oh the show is coming up I have to tell her she's gonna see in the first episode that within five minutes I have sex with someone I don't know who just happens to be blonde and that's why I like her yeah it seems like any blonde is okay with him but then but then this year we learned that, oh yeah, the blonde in the challenge, she was blonde. She was blonde and the end of her hair was purple.

So it's like a hint of blonde is all you need with Tony. What they should have done is stack the challenge with more blondes. They should have like five or six of them. He would have lost his mind. Absolutely. And then they try to make it seem like, someone tried to make it seem like there was no coitus, but there was like it was just so bizarre little oral i don't know so he said uh

first of all he made a big deal about how single he or about how committed he was to uh what's her name madison and then this girl christina who's ready to go i think i don't i think she knew like with her team she wasn't going to be on that many episodes so she wanted to get on the show in whatever way she could or she just had too much to drink. It was one or the other. That was a great thing about the premiere is that it seemed like they were drinking for like 36 consecutive hours

with like maybe naps in between. There was no full sleep for at least the first 36 hours. Very smart. And then the meat of that first episode was them going to the club which is every episode should be based around a club it should be the spin-off episode as the season is happening is just the club should be a half hour like the night they go to the club i always i never feel satiated with the club i always want more yeah and it's this this year they introduced um gopros for the club like they gave johnny banana one hold on hold that because we got to talk about that that's episode two so tony um at some point christina's hitting on him kind of working on him

and and he's like i can't i can't i have a girlfriend now then cut to tony saying my hormones are raging i want to like fucking bang you it's gonna feel so good it's like what just happened you just told her how celibate how you have to be celibate my hormones are raging what does that mean that's amazing i mean tony must just like it's like a superhero or like it's like when you like i'm the hulk when the doctor becomes the hulk he just can't help it remember in the hulk with edward norton it's like when his blood pressure got too high or like his heartbeat got too fast he turned to the hulks like he couldn't have sex. Tony's kind of like that.

But instead of stopping, he just goes for it. No, instead he has the sex. Yeah. I like that. Tony's got a great corner because he obviously loves sex and isn't going to do anything that interferes with his own sex life, no matter what kind of commitments are in there. But the women know that. Right. And sometimes I watch guys get away with this in college and after college where it's kind of out there

that they're not going to discriminate and it makes them more intriguing in a weird way. Well, it's sort of like a low-hanging fruit. You just go for it. Yeah, but also I think the girls think, oh, this is... Maybe I'll be the one. Either they're going to rescue him or they know the deal. Right it's like oh this will be a you know i'm in and out

with tony well also it's important to know that christina came from are you the one it's not from the real world right so like the um television romance is like her strength i would say yeah so like you know makes sense for her to immediately go for like the easiest person to sleep with who happens to just love blondes because that gives her a storyline it's and maybe makes her like come back for a second season would you say easiest person to sleep with or most ready um because i think there are a lot of easy people to sleep with in that house i definitely most raring to go like tony's comes out of the bullpen he doesn't need warm-up pitches that seemed like um he was still awake. Like, he had seemed like he hadn't stopped drinking.

The sun was up when they had sex, I think. Well, or whatever happened. Something happened in the bathroom. Right, sorry. When they had their... I love the challenge producers put in subtitles like, Belt Unbuckling. It's like, oh, okay.

Belt Unbuckling. Well, maybe he's just peeing. Yeah, maybe. Although, this was a move he pulled on the challenge. He went into the bathroom with one of the girls. It's a great move. I mean, on the real world. I'd go bathroom exclusively for my hookups.

Yeah, that's what they do. I mean, one time we had Frank Sweeney come by Grantland and he like just kind of revealed all of the tricks. The bathroom tricks. Yeah. And that's how people like go to Denice. That's what the Grantland bathroom was like. Everybody went.

You just kind of knew like to stay away from that stuff uh so wait we're not done with tony because he also fought his gay cousin shane brother it's his brother brother gay brother shane yeah that happened and shane i shane was ready definitely i like shane took it to him it was a little like a 15 seed versus a two seed in the march madness but really went at him tony's i mean shane's making a name for himself. Like I see him getting invited back to the challenge, even independent of Shane. I mean, of Tony. It's really good.

Also, I believe they yelled, it's a game. Oh, Shane. Shane had the quote. This is a game. This is a game. If you make it into the trailer with just your voice, you're golden. Yeah, that's great. Great job by him.

Tony also fought with Larissa and Nicole. Yes. Whoever the hell they are. I don't even know. One of my problems with this year of the challenge is I didn't know who like five of the quote unquote staples were. Me neither. Because who watched Are You the One?

I didn't watch that. I know. Dario and Raphael or whatever. Do you think Tony and Shane should have been kicked off for fighting? No, because Tony's too good. The producers were like, we should kick him off, but this is too good. We can't kick him off. Bending the rules.

This is our CT for this year. So he did get sternly admonished by TJ. Yes, very sternly. TJ looks great this season. TJ looks great. He lost some weight. I feel like he's growing up with his style. The hats are gone, wearing a button down.

He looks phenomenal. Yeah, he's come. Remember that first year back after he had his major accident he looked a little like rattled that next season it was like jesus is tj ever coming back he's back he's back and he's like the enforcer um when we get to well i have another tj note from when we get to episode two let's keep going last thing with tony he fought with uh luis and nicole but then also nanny and her and her sister what What's her name? Whatever. I call her wild eyes because she's got like this weird eye shadow thing going. And it's like she intentionally makes her eyes look as crazy as possible. She does like colored contact lenses.

Yeah. Fake eyelashes. Very heavy makeup on her eyebrows. And then like some sparkly stuff. It's almost like a superhero. Not to keep bringing up superheroes. It's true. But she looks like a wild-eyed,

partying superhero hookup that you should just be afraid of her. You just know it's not probably going to go that well. No. She hasn't spoken that much, but just her association to Nani makes me certain something's coming.

They have a really nice family trait of when they yell at people with the point while waiting to be held back is really is really solid. So let's go to Nani, actually. Oh, great. Tony's the MVP of the season so far. Absolutely. But I think Nani's it's it's like Steph Curry's going to win the MVP.

Nani's like, I don't know, Russell Westbrook. Right. Like a huge PR. No, because not Paulorge kind of had a comeback russell westbrook just big stats standard pr you kind of expect it he's gonna lose his shit every once in a while um but she admitted uh in season in the episode one tired of of of being called a whore i would be an actual quote i have a comment about it she's had it I think like most people, the real world seems to have a detrimental effect on their lives. Like if they have like some kind of weakness, it like really exacerbates it.

Right. Like if you have like a drinking problem, it doesn't help to be in like a party atmosphere for three consecutive months. Nani had like a real man problem. She dated Adam Royer. She was obsessed with Adam Royer in her season. And I feel like she's come a long way confidence-wise like I feel like she's like really grown so I actually am like kind of like shocked by that and also proud of her and happy for her that she's finally ready to say I'm not a whore

and through two episodes she hasn't hooked up with anyone that we've seen that's true and she I think she's settled into like veteran challenge mode which I root for Nani I don't know what it is I want her to make the right decisions i don't want her to get into drunken fights late at night i don't want her to hook up with the wrong guys she seems like uh she just needs like to be put down like put on the right path or something i don't know but i i root for her too she seems like legitimately nice she also seems like someone who um she will like fight with you a lot but she also like consistently has close friends around which is a good sign about her good sign with you a lot but she also like consistently has close friends

around which is a good sign about her good sign like has a lot of good girlfriends yeah and i like that she's close with her cousin yeah she's close with her cousin she's close with jenna she avoided the cory hookup cory the personal trainer oh my god cory three years ago nani makes that mistake yeah she just seemed with cory oh i shouldn't have done that now it's like the veteran experience of cameras type of guy usually gravitate toward and then it ends badly I'm gonna stay away Corey she has two exes on the show too

Kahuda and Johnny Bananas two that we know about yeah at least two I think she's hooked up with Leroy too who hasn't you know we saw him in Vegas Jacoby and I hooked up with him 2012 why wouldn't you hook up with Leroy you love Leroy it's like fine I'll try this great guy very handsome Leroy gave You love Leroy. It's like, fine, I'll try this. Great guy.

Very handsome. Leroy gave a toast in the premiere, by the way. There were three toasts. They cut the bananas toast. I know. It was really good, though. It was like for friends, for family, and something else. Because this time we're in it for blood.

It was really good. I like we got bananas to admit that he knows the toast is one of the most, the episode one toast is one of the most important parts of that show because they're always going to show it. Right. And he's kind of owned it. He's made it his own. He he's like, this is mine. You guys are staying out of this.

I give the toast. Camilla gave like a baby toast like to two rookies. Like, here's your first challenge. And then Leroy tried to do one, too. But like bananas had everyone cheering and everyone around him. I mean, I have bananas words running through my head all the time I'm a lover I'm a fighter I'm an MTV challenge survivor like right doesn't get better than that it was one of our Grantland highlights when he gave the toast that was it third year anniversary party um yeah I think it was yeah so uh Nani had this quote she's's with her cousin. They're talking pridefully about what their family is like.

She said, our family as a whole, we're loud. We're fun. We like to dance. Everybody likes to drink. And we're the life of the party always. They were so proud. They were adamant and proud of it. I was like, I'm in.

Me too. Come to my party. I'm in her cousin. This is great. I love all of those things. She's kind of like the chemist. Like she gets everyone going. She is.

Also, we saw that she's an avid dancer, which is also really important for daytime parties to get people feeling comfortable. Yep. She also looks great this season. Always looks great. Yeah, she's a really pretty girl. I have a feeling she's pretty on the show, but I think she's better looking in person. Probably.

Because she has some sort of catwoman-y kind of hold over these guys. Totally. Also, I feel like Nani's an interesting name. It's good. It grows. At first, I was like, Nani. But then it really grows on you over time. I don't know.

I mean, on her, she really wore me down. She's been in our lives for five years. So it's a long relationship. I wonder if we can get her on a podcast. I bet we probably can. Nani, if you're listening. I'll work on it. Julia and I, we love you.

We want you on a podcast. All right. So Kellyanne came back. Yes. I don't remember how many real world seasons it was, but I think she's closer to my age than some of the people on the challenges. Is she over 30? She was on Real World Australia, Down Under.

So, that was like 10 years ago, I guess. It was a while ago. Looked good. She looked good. She doesn't look different. I don't want to- Looks older. Is that just older? almost like too old to

be in the house like you don't want to get to that like at that alton point where alton was like i'm too old for you people i'm too good for this it was devastating when he came back and wasn't as good i i choose not to acknowledge it it's like the rocky five of challenge moments i just i live my life like it never happened okay i'm gonna go by that rule as well um also her breakup with um kato solongo it no longer feels like a wound that can be reopened so i'm just go by that rule as well um also her breakup with um kahato so long ago it no longer feels like a wound that can be reopened so i'm just kind of like what's the point of having you both here like kellyanne and kahata yeah see i don't even remember that yeah exactly and they're not even playing it up because it's like so long ago it's like it's kind of like if like your first

girlfriend was like in the same room as you when you were like they're like 14 or 15 just like who cares we were 14 she uh didn't get a ton of camera time but did get a scene where she taught everyone how to twerk yes which was very very crucial to episode one i really enjoyed it uh i thought it was ridiculous led to a question around the uh channel 33 water cooler does she have butt implants oh well didn't she? She was augmented in other areas after that season. She openly discussed that. So who knows? Butt implants.

It didn't even occur to me as a thing, but it's worth asking. Who knows? Just throwing it out there. Interesting. I've liked not a lot of minutes per game for her. Yeah. High PER. Definitely.

A little like she's coming off the bench getting rebounds she's she's really good on challenges like um remember the season where she was dating wes and like ev was her best friend yes and she kept getting thrown into like the duel or whatever it was and she always kept coming back she was good fighter she's feisty yeah i think she's gonna stick around for a while and probably be like underrated because all these new people probably like won't remember that she's really good and when you say remember when she dated wes as co's for she's crazy because who dates wes nobody dates wes why would you date wes i could see myself for like a week being like should i date wes like i just there's something so absurd about him that i would like entertain the idea that would be that should be a podcast would juliet entertain this idea

With different guys Should I date Wes I mean he has a monster truck Wouldn't it be worth it For a ride in the monster truck Would you date Roy Hibbert Totally Yes

Maybe this isn't a good show Uh Kohana Wait Roy Hibbert's like smart And lives in LA So what else do I need That's true And has a lot of money

Has a lot of money He can pay for everything He's really into TV Alright Roy Hibbert He did some Mike TV. He also is looking to learn. He did some, Mike Scherer, he did one of those shows, right? Yeah, he's friends with the Parks and Rec dudes. Alright, Ray Hibbert, it's out there.

Kaheda, we should mention his cousin Jill. Oh, Papa. Postponed her wedding to come on the challenge with her. Is that? The best excuse I've ever heard for postponing a wedding. I have to go on a ridiculous reality show and I'm probably going to get voted off in two weeks, but I have to postpone the wedding. This is like Runaway Brad, the sequel. I have to go be on the challenge. Can you imagine like her family? Like, are you going to Jill's wedding? No, it got postponed.

Why? She's going on MTV, the challenge in Turkey. If you're her fiance, how do you accept that? Aren't you just like, okay, it's over then? Like if you'd rather go on the challenge in Turkey. If you're her fiance, how do you accept that? Aren't you just like, okay, it's over then? Like if you'd rather go on the challenge, it's over. The only thing worse than going on the challenge and postponing your wedding would be then hooking up with Tony on the challenge and then coming back and having the wedding. If they hadn't gotten eliminated, it was certainly in the cards. She was cute enough. I don't know.

It seemed like Tony could get down with her. What about when Anissa we we should get to uh anissa and her jenna's jenna's cousin brianna anessa just threw her under the bus and said she wasn't cute that's always tough when that's on camera that's a tough one to apologize for that's a tough one to apologize for a girl calling another's girl just she's not cute point Point blank. Not even like arguing it. And then you see that on TV. That's tough. That's the classic, she's really skinny, but insult.

Like you need to clarify, like classify that like, you need to like point out the fault because she is like really skinny and petite. So it's sort of like, well, let's just like look at her face only. But like, she's not that cute. Really try to do that to her cousin. Even if they're fighting, like at the end of the day they're gonna make up so like saying that to jenna is like that's really like quite mean and a bold move it was it was double mean yeah you're insulting the family member and you're in but uh so cory the personal trainer yes hooked up with anessa and that's what

looks good this season she looks great she's been very up and down over the last 15 years. She also, she's been in our lives for 14 years. She was on the Chicago season. Which had our friend Kyle Brandt, who ended up working for Jim Rome. I mean, and now, I mean, it's like a million years ago when he was on that. And I also hold one night stand Kara on that, or Carrie on that. It was Kara. One night stand Kara, who she had to like warn her family. Was that her nickname?

No, it's just what I call her. Oh, God. She had the one night stand. I was so worried about her family finding out. Oh, that's right. I always called her the Jackie Robinson of bedroom cameras. That was the first season of the bedroom cameras. And she basically broke the camera, the camera line, bedroom camera line.

She's like, oh, those cameras up there. I shouldn't. I got to have it. I'm going to do it. I don't care. They won't show this later. Right. It's like, oh, no oh no they're gonna show it

that is one of the most underrated seasons in my opinion gave us Anissa gave us Tanya gave us the one night stand crazy Tanya yeah

it gave us so much also little known fact about Kara Kara I know what you're gonna say former girlfriend of Jamie Horowitz

Fox Sports 1 executive I love it my favorite tidbit of all time I love it. My favorite tidbit of all time. I love it. Now Deitch is listening. I just mentioned Horowitz. Deitch's radar went up.

Oh, Jamie Horowitz got mentioned positively. That also, on a less happy note, was the season that 9-11 happened. And they brought a TV into the house for that. I remember that. So it's very easy to remember that we've known Anissa for 13 years. No, 14. 14 years. So it's very easy to remember that we've known Anissa for 13 years. No, 14. 14 years. Yeah.

It's amazing. And her hookups have, if you made like a, like if Kurt Goldsberry made a shot chart of her hookup types, I don't even know what it would look like. She was a lesbian on The Real World. She was lesbian. She was straight. She was a lesbian again. She's, I don't, I think she just loves all people when they did

exes um rachel was her ex remember right but it's not even just like a bisexual thing it's like she has no type she's open to everyone it's beautiful if we sat around and we were like what's anessa's type there is no type it's two arms and two legs and a head maybe that should that should be the podcast what's your type when we start with wes move to roy hibbert like try to find a happy medium but anissa's another one like i i think she would be a great hang oh totally she's here in the podcast now she'd be hilarious also like if you're willing to insult someone's cousin and say she's not that cute like you're fun at a party like that's all i need to know you might be mean but you're fun for one night yeah uh cousin cousin vince yeah i liked this was a great moment

where johnny was like this is my cousin vinny and vince is like no you can call me vince right like johnny was like trying to turn into a bit and he was like no it was like if somebody called vince mcmahon vinny and he was like no no man i'm i'm i'm vince no you're you're okay cousin vinny i guess doesn't work but cousin vince is. Yeah. Personal trainer. Corey also a personal trainer. There was a little personal trainer. Corey is fascinating. Half semi beef which I thought was

and then they got into it and somebody I think Anessa said to Corey like he's just jealous because he knows you're a better personal trainer. Your body's better. It's like yeah

that's what it was. That's the only reason why. Totally what it was. Nothing to do with any other factors. We're going to get a Vince eruption. I have a feeling it's like yeah that's what it was that's the only reason totally what it was nothing to do with any other other factors we're gonna get a vince eruption i have a feeling it's coming a vince eruption i think it's almost one word yeah i think there will be like a moment like johnny knows who to bring on the show by the way if someone was like you bring on a family member i wouldn't cousin everyone's so close to their cousin what like i have great cousins but not

coming on the show with me like obviously i'd bring my brother who would you bring my brother for sure i would bring my mom huh because my mom would just she'd have like two bottles of wine and then just derisively start picking everyone apart on the show and then they'd get mad at me and i'd be in a lot of scenes but this anessa i don't know about how she dresses uh i think my brother would try to coach the like people he would see as wounded he would try to like give them personal advice like how to do better and he would like no you wouldn't bring your brother on yes i would no because he's he'd be too worried about the legality of everything at all it's like juliet don't say that don't say

that she can sue you he'd be like constantly scared i think you you should bring Jacoby on and pretend he's like a third cousin. Well, maybe like this is my cousin. This is my cousin, Dave Jacoby. Yeah. Do we think there's any fake family member on this show? Ooh. Yeah. Interesting.

Yeah. Well, Corey's family member is a different race. So that's an easy one to point out. Be like, huh? Or I don't know. What would they do if it came out that it wasn't actually the family member? I feel like they should be rewarded. It's like, good for you for getting that done.

You game the system. Like, if anyone's going to do it, it would be Johnny. Like, Bananas would be like, okay, I'm just going to say you're my cousin. No one's going to check. Just come with me. I wonder if they have their own fantasy league. Like, Johnny, he knows he can win. Oh, there's no question they do.

So he knows he can win, so he has like set different personal goals like this season I'm gonna do X or Y Johnny's also so smart with this stuff like I guarantee he brought cousin Vince on and said look I'm gonna let you do this with me you have to get into altercations during the show and I don't care when they happen but there's gotta be two times this year

where you have to be separated by 25 people oh definitely or like or you need to like get you need to berate some woman like verbally and like yeah cross a couple lines or i'm not bringing you uh one more person his gopro for a second johnny's gopro yeah that was about to get to that oh great i want to save jenna and brandon for the end and then we have to go to you and chris okay um car maria she hooked up with with Thomas in the van. Yeah. And Thomas called it rock, paper, scissors. I thought that was funny.

Very good. I liked it. I have a soft spot for Thomas. Oh, I thought you were going to say I thought you had a soft spot for rock, paper, scissors. I was going to get frightened. So they have the GoPro. And I don't know if they knew about the GoPro. No, they didn't. And they showed footage that made it pretty clear that she wasn't adjusting his seatbelt.

No. I got the feeling it wasn't that. I also want to say Cara Maria has really grown on me over the seasons. She's great. She knows who she is now. She's great. She's battle scarred. She's so much fun on the show.

If I'm Thomas, I'm terrified of Abram. Abram. Yeah. Abram will. Yeah. He will fight him. Abram got kicked off the road of road rules for fighting. So.

And won the fight. It's a good fight on YouTube. It's one of my favorite road rules. Probably the greatest road rules moment. That guy antagonized him. Darn hell. Antagonized him. Then Abram just knocked him down.

He just like lost it. And also, doesn't he have like self-inflicted like burn scars like abram is is legit scary yeah he's he's uh so thomas run for cover so wait there was a quote i like how thomas being a tennis player like factored into whether or not you want him in the chat and you want to face off against him like bar tennis player yeah they were like well he's a tennis player so he's a competitor yeah like but like barring like roger federer i i don't think i'm scared of a tennis player in the challenge do you think banana invented the gopro idea interesting do you think he came up

with that or they told him because if he invented it add add this to the legacy of the greatest challenge the really the babe ruth of challenges michael jordan of challenges absolutely i mean he's i think he's already there but i i wouldn't be surprised wow you think he's already there like just throwing the gauntlet at ct i kind of do we should do an all-time all-time like mount rushmore of winners ct did drag him like a rag doll that time yeah that's true that's tough that's tough for the bananas legacy it's almost like with jordan when he lost to the magic that year with penny and shack and it's like he kind of pretended didn didn't happen, but it happened. It's true. We can't get rid of it.

And like, there were so many dominant winners before that, like just pure athletes that we've kind of forget about. Like, I mean, Alton is one of them. Remember Dan from the early Road Rules days? Oh, yeah. The girls went crazy over him, too. Landon. Yeah, Landon was amazing.

Landon pushed his Ter-Shavon up a mountain to win. Like, that was amazing. Alton was like one of my first 10 BS report guests. He was? That's amazing. I didn't know that. I had him on. He was on a cell phone.

Didn't really know what a podcast was. And then about 15 minutes in, bought cigarettes on the podcast. He was like, hold on one second. He's like, can I get a pack of menthols or whatever? And it just had this little cigarette trance action. That's incredible. And you can hear me going, are you buying cigarettes? Wait, so back to the GoPro for a second.

Johnny on his Instagram is really into GoPro stuff, like him wakeboarding or whatever. So I actually wouldn't be surprised if he asked to bring it or suggested it. He should get a producer credit at this point. Cara Maria, I'm going to bleep myself. I don't want to keep saying F-bombs. Cara Maria explaining the rock, paper, scissors moment to the cameras after said,

I will do anything I can to make this final and I will F my little butt off. It's a quote. She has a boyfriend. She has a boyfriend. Like a long-term boyfriend, several years. That is a complicated relationship. Oh my God, I can't even imagine. I'm just trying to picture what chain of events would have led to my wife before she became my wife saying that where i would have not broken

up with her none yeah none the answer is none yeah the answer is none um well before we get to the stars of episode two the episode two dvr recap you know when you press the info? Here it is. Players must face their fears. One team begins to crack under the pressure. Personal attacks lead to an emotional meltdown. That could be the recap for every episode. I think that's just a standard one. Every single one. Personal attacks lead to

an emotional meltdown. Isn't that the challenge? Yeah. It's amazing. That's incredible. What service do you have? They should get some kind of award for the whoever wrote that i love the recap so jenna and brianna she brings her cousin they end up in the challenge the first time jenna fights and wins brianna doesn't really like it she's total wet blanket um it comes out in the first episode that cousin brianna has hooked up with three of jenna's ex-boyfriends back at home.

Three. Not one, not two, but three. What is the... Go girl for me for a second. What's the mindset there? Your female cousin hooks up with three of your exes. What are you thinking after number three? Like as Jenna or as Brianna?

As Juliet. Oh. As Juliet. You have this cousin who's your family member and she repeatedly hooks up with ex-boyfriends you've had. What's your mindset? I would be like, you are completely cut out of my life. I will never speak to you again. Goodbye.

Okay. Like, you're out. Naturally, a great person to bring on the challenge. There's no way this isn't going to rear its ugly head at some point. Brianna refused to eat the bugs in episode two. I just want to say, I, too, would refuse to eat the bugs, but I wouldn't go on the show. Me, too.

Brianna repeatedly Brianna repeatedly whined about going home which leads to they go to the club. We love when everyone goes to the club. Brianna's a wet blanket

cut to the footage of her not really having a good time comes back starts whining. You know who's going to make this better? Nani and her

and her and her sister and her cousin post-party this is great great people to calm this down jenna comes in got really personal really personal really ugly and personal she was like um oh i have all the quotes if you want them yeah please do uh brianna they cut to the off camera of Brianna saying she doesn't have her life together I'm smarter than her that's gonna that's that hurts also probably true they start yelling at each other

and Jenna says you can go back to your fake effing Spanish boyfriend who cheats on you all the time why is he not really Spanish or is he just fake fake Spanish I didn't know how to interpret that I think it's fake comma or is he just fake? Fake Spanish. I didn't know how to interpret that. I think it's fake comma Spanish.

Like he is fake to you. He's a fake person and he's Spanish. And he has to be Spanish. So what does the Spanish have to do with it? That feels like vaguely a little bit racist, right? A little bit racist, yeah. Unless he's not Spanish and pretending to be Spanish, then it's not racist. I think, I don't know if Jenna is like able to

parse her own language so it's really hard to say I'm going to go with fake comma Spanish though Jenna then says to everyone she thinks you guys are all degenerates and losers again harsh but true maybe not

100% off Brianna comes back with I want to go home to my real family Ouch, that's hard That's hard Almost that one hurt more than that So that sent Jenna into a rage Which led to the greatest moment of the first two episodes

Jenna says You think you're better than everybody in this house Because you have a job at a bakery Congratulations, your dad owns a bakery That's why you have a job Oh, we're not done yet. That's just part one. And then Jenna says, if my dad owned something and he wasn't

in jail, I'd have a set job too. Fair. That's valid. Great point. I'm not sure that worked as an insult. I don't think it did. However, it did tip the scales for me towards Jenna. I was like, oh, this is a lot more complicated for her. There's a lot going on here. It left a lot of questions left. Yeah, it gave me a lot more sympathy for Jenna.

I was like, okay, she's got a tough situation and Brianna's just really unfun. Because in the last challenge, Jenna gravitated towards Zach. They're still dating. Right. And you think like, you've seen the show. He doesn't treat women well. Zach, kind of a hothead. He's arrogant. Not somebody maybe you want to settle down with. And Jenna's like, this is my guy. I love Zach. Zach is credited with ruining John A's

life. He dated John A and then left one day. And John A took at least a year to recover. And they insinuated that she effectively didn't have an apartment or a house at some point after the Zach relationship. Yes. Which made me sad.

Oh, totally. So that's what Jenna is getting herself into. Yeah. So then, so that whole thing was crazy. It was crazy? I mean, just like, just a crazy, she's insulting her, but also insulting herself, but then also insulting everyone in the house by saying, this girl thinks she's better than you because she has a job in a bakery. Right. Like that's the trump card i work in a bakery it's

like ah i'm way above these guys i work in a bakery i mean it's a family business that's a family business good for her for getting involved so then jenna's like grasping for terrible things to say and comes back with she's not dead yet she goes her boyfriend is only back with her because his ex-girlfriend has short hair I don't even know what that means What does that mean? That was amazing What does that mean?

I guess he doesn't like short hair This guy sounds great Sounds like a winner Hold on there's more And then she goes She gives a shit about the kid who buys her ice cream Every other effing day Oh that's her boyfriend

The ice cream part Is like does she love ice cream? So here's what we know about the boyfriend. Fake Spanish. We don't know how to interpret that. Fake Spanish or fake Spanish. Hates girls with short hair. Likes hooking up with girls who also hooks up with their cousin exes and buys ice cream

every other day. Not every day. Not every other day. Every other day. Is it like an ice cream stip stipend is there like a hard cap on how much you don't want to go too far you want it to feel special but not totally so it was the whole scene was magical and there was a lot of separation and i think nani has probably been involved in more either hold me back or i'm holding somebody else back incidents than anyone in challenge history.

She's always in the middle of, she's somewhere in the, in either yelling or, or holding back the one who's yelling. She's, yeah, she's in the mix. She's kind of like, she's kind of like, um, not player coach, but like referee player. She kind of, she wants to be like playing both sides kind of. It's great. She, she knows where the cameras are going to be and gets them off. Absolutely.

Bananas used to be like that. Now he's just kind of amused on the sidelines. He's a little over it. I think he's also kind of like waiting for the second half of the season. Like he knows he can coast and then he'll like turn it on. So here's how I think Jenna should get, because the whole, the way this was left was Brianna might leave. She might not.

She's not happy in the house. So here's what I think Jenna needs to do. And then I'm going to turn it over to you and Chris. Okay. left was Brianna might leave. She might not. She's not happy in the house. So here's what I think Jenna needs to do. And then I'm going to turn it over to you and Chris. Okay. I think she needs to hook up with two guys in a row, two back-to-back nights, two different guys. And then Brianna will want to stay because she will then have to hook up with those guys. That's so smart.

It's kind of like throwing bait at a fish. Yeah, exactly. You're just throwing the fishing rod in the water. You're like, oh water Or even she could lie She could tell her like Oh I made a huge mistake last night And Brianna's like what She's like oh Tony took me into the bathroom

Well I was going to say let's dye her hair blonde And let's get Tony involved Technically she's like brownish blonde It's a little too dark Well for Tony I think at 3 in the morning He's probably not going to care Or let's just stick her in the sun for a whole day her hair will lighten up tony will notice true tony will know what's going on put a little lemon juice in there so yeah all she has to do is tell her

cousin that she's hooked up with somebody in the house and that at least keeps her there for two more days as the cousin then strategically tries to get the seconds i wonder if they um so we know that next week's episode they're breaking up into two teams where it's like the vets versus their family members. I wonder if that will allow Jenna to stay. Like you can, so individuals will leave, but not teams, which will be better. Also, we got CT coming. We don't know how, we don't know when, but he's, he's in the mix. I don't think there's any aspect of my life where somebody says CT is coming that I wouldn't

be excited. Like it could be for the Star Wars movie. Like I'm not going to go see the star wars movie like ct is it i was like i'm going what's he is he playing an ewok i don't care any basketball game any sporting event any award show he's like the golden globes are gonna honor ct oh great oh okay what if he hosted like the sag awards he's on the screen he could be involved he should host something yeah who doesn't love ct who turned who's like oh shit ct's on the tv i'm gonna turn the channel you know you're gonna get like at least one good sound bite also you don't know what his hair is gonna look like it's always like up in the air hair and facial hair what kind of look will

he come with yeah his evolution's been amazing it seems like all the muscle guys eventually just shaved their head because it makes them look tougher. Yeah. And also just, you know, easier upkeep. All right. We'll check in on the show again, right? Yeah. Before we get to Chris Ryan, we should mention that SeatGeek, who's the sole sponsor of this podcast. It's the easiest way to buy and sell tickets online. They have this new software

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Chris Ryan coming up. chris ryan thanks this is kind of like a channel 33 slash bill simmons podcast grab bag sponsored by seat geek all praise due to seat geek uh my reality tv juices are flowing so can we just do a quick survivor chat whatever you need this is your day wow that's really nice you know who else's day it is who happy birthday dion waiters oh my god happy birthday dion i hope you have a lovely beach drink on waiter's island watching the sunset he remains as frustrating as ever however um he uh when he comes in he just like does like seven points in a row and they're points in 26 minutes that's all you need from dion but like they're all bad shots he makes them yeah it's just like

well i'll live with that if there's if there's a w speaking of islands should we talk about survivor yeah okay so um when i had my reality tv podcast with jacoby we were in on survivor we were out on survivor and then we both were like oh we're both we were good we're in we're gonna watch this second chance uh season it's been phenomenal it's been really good i'm a i'm a late comforter survivor i missed out and cochran and ozzy and boston rob and all the legends of yore i just want to say that i really liked cochran but he's ghosting me i messaged him to be on this podcast and he never responded so he's out has late 2015 been the season of ghosting so ghosting season so much ghosting it's crazy i i don't know cochran are you busy like what are

you doing you do take it as anybody who doesn't respond to you in a timely fashion is ghosting you though this has been like two to three weeks but to be fair you put an enormous amount of pressure on yourself because now if you don't text me back within 10 minutes, I'm like, she either dropped her phone in the toilet or I got hit by a bus. Yeah, I guess that's true. Because God forbid you ghost somebody if you were always calling ghosts on people. I guess. But like, this is egregious, Cochran. Like, what are you doing?

I don't know. Anyway, they're down to the final seven. And it's all these people who were supposedly voted back in on the show. An interesting thing happened on the show an interesting thing happened on the show this week where one of them they're like talking about strategy and it's like three kind of like power players tasha jeremy and spencer and they're like we owe it to the fans to have the best people go to the end because because we were voted that goat is really problematic in competitions because it's like goat like oh the one who's like you know like a loser or the

greatest of all time i don't think that they meant the kobe goat they didn't but i just think that you need to remove goat as a pejorative turn from the sports lexicon so it sounds like this has been a season because like i like i said i have only about five seasons of of history to go off of but from what i hear it's like this has been a particularly good season because there's been a lot of gameplay but that there was like a long stretch of survivor history where it was just an alliance would get formed early on yeah and that alliance would just run the table until the end and then it would be kind of obvious but who would get it but this season it's just been there are no alliances and these like voting okay people talk about like as if it's the iowa caucuses or something like

that i think i missed the episode where they introduced voting blocks, or I was straight up not paying attention. Who introduced that terminology, and what is that even supposed to mean? I think it was either Tasha or somebody who just referred to it as... And it kind of came up last night when everybody was like, we. And so every person at Tribal was like, well, we might be on this. And it was like, there was clearly... Even though it didn't make any sense it was basically like there are like five little two people groups within an alliance within the seven remaining players you know and obviously uh abby did not was not part of a we and she also that was just so weird did you notice that jeff um his

dimples are like the same size as his eye sockets at this point? I haven't noticed that, no. I'm sorry. I particularly noticed it during tribal council. Really? Yeah. Does it mean his dimples are getting bigger or his eyes are getting smaller? I think both.

Like his dimples are so deep that in like his eyes, I don't know, but it's the aging process like his eye sockets are like the same it's really weird it kind of makes him look like one of like the i don't know like one of like the stone like idols they would use maybe that's his destiny is to become an immunity idol i think i lost my mind after that challenge discussion so anyway back to chat this is this discussion is so chaste i'm sorry there's no discussion of of potential people who love sex yeah we never do get any any sex on survivor yet it's been on for so long um can i okay so abby was voted off last night and i just want to say that that came as no surprise to me because uh a month ago i saw abby at ingo's tasty diner in santa monica and she did not look like she had won a million dollars interesting well i don't even

know how it works like they don't know that they've won or lost yes right so they're the fine finale is when they find out she will she would she knew at that point that she had not won right because she was on the jury she was in santa monica well no i mean it's also not like it's not like they're like you know like on the island until they reveal but right but like just because if you're on the jury you know it's like in the final three you could win you don't know yet but i think that they all tell each other who they vote for like you think so you know they're not they're not supposed to like i know that they like sign confidentiality so they're not supposed to reveal who they voted for in the final

but i think that you know if you're on the jury you spend like x number of days talking about the game and like who you're gonna vote for and like if you decide it or not so like i think you probably have a sense and so i you know as long as soon as like one person finds out something like it's just it's you know open season right anyone could know i wanted to ask you a couple of things about last night's episode for one thing i know that you have a very hot take about failing in challenges. Oh, yes. I feel that medical has to be called on you at any point. So last night, Tasha, there was a swimming-oriented challenge.

And Tasha almost drowned. Which was scary. And so if Tasha's almost drowning, and they have to call medical on her, I just think she should be out of the game. You're not fit for this. But the game is not called swimming. Right. It's called surviving.

And she couldn't survive without medical intervention. So I think if you need some kind of outside intervention, it should just disqualify you from the game. But how does that match up with Abby, who doesn't try at all in challenges? That's a strategy. So that's a good strategy, but going all out and failing is a worse strategy.

I don't even know that Tasha went all out and failed, though. I'm not sure. She seems like a worse strategy i don't even know that tasha went all out and failed though like i i'm not sure she seems like a competitor yeah i i'm but the point of survivor is like a it's a multi-faceted game okay and there's several ways to play it and if you it's a it's an inherent advantage if you're really good at challenges like and you can just like win them or whatever and like um rationing your strength and energy is like part of the game and like people get mad at each other for like not working around camp because they're just resting or whatever. And so it's always at play.

So I just think if there's any outside intervention, you have to go. Okay. That's a way of looking at things. I wanted to ask you this, too. Jeremy is obviously the Vegas favorite. I have no idea if he actually is or if Vegas takes bets on these guys. I bet they do. But I think Jeremy would have to be considered the Vegas favorite. I have no idea if he actually is or if Vegas takes bets on these guys. I bet they do. But I think Jeremy would have to be considered

the Vegas favorite. He's got an idol. He has a great feel-good story. And, you know... I'm rooting for him big time. I think people are rooting for him, for sure. But has he been playing the wall a little bit too much and, like, not...

Like, I think he is counting on the idea of getting to the final three and then having a tear-jerker story. I love my wife. Whereas Wentworth, Spencer... counting on the idea of getting to the final three and then having a tearjerker story whereas i love my wife wentworth spencer like they've been playing a little harder right yes and i just kind of wonder if those if wentworth spencer and jeremy are the final three i don't think it's like i wonder if it just seems that way because of how spencer and wentworth talk to the camera and they're one-on-one interviews okay because jeremy is like acknowledged as a power player by everyone

on the season and he's like in all those conversations about you know like who should we vote off next and all that so I I think that maybe he is playing a little bit closer to the best but he's had like a real connection to almost everyone like everyone likes him and even with Keith and Kelly who he's not close with like there was a moment in the show or in this episode where he was like wow three original ex people oh right like that was a good good good job by him yeah it also was a good like narrative red herring because it made you think like maybe he would switch sides or something like that um so i think that he has played a pretty deft game which is maybe like the way he talks to the camera isn't as good that's a huge part of reality tv and like

casting is like is your edit yeah is your edit and also just like your ability to give sound well all you guys have been saying like that if jeremy doesn't win it's a really weird edit yeah he's really he in my opinion he's really getting the hero edit it's not too heavy-handed in any direction like i feel like spencer is narrative is so much more um like like have it heavy this is like the pinocchio thing where he's trying to have real real feelings it's so it's so weird i know i'm like i love you stuff with his girlfriend. Give me a break. Yeah. Like, you guys, I don't know. I don't think I'm on the first time my boyfriend told me he

loved me to be on television, but it's just me. You know? Whatever. But, yeah. If Jeremy doesn't win, I think it'll be really strange. It's interesting to see who the final three will be. If they do go for people who will be hard to win against. Yeah. Like, at what point do the kind of strong players decide they need to bring, like, a weaker player with them to final three?

And who do they pick? In a lot of the best seasons, like, in my favorite Cook Islands, a.k.a. Race Wars, there was a big discussion of, like, do these people sit, like, who do you bring to the final? Because there could only be three. And, like, who would it be easier to win against? And Yule, who ended up winning um my favorite winner of all time he uh had to like decide on like staying true to his alliance like who he thought he could beat although by that point all four of them had pretty good stories um so it was it was not like a huge deal but you know the the sense that they all feel like they're being given a

second chance and like at every challenge jeff is like this is from x season it's like a second chance for so and so they've done a good job with like making that seem um organic because it could just seem like kind of like a kind of framework they place on the show yeah in editing let me ask you this too you just mentioned how like there's just hasn't been that much sex on survivor and i'm not picking up do you feel like in the last few years like when you've sort of phased out of survivor for a while was it because other reality television gave you like 360 degrees of like life on wherever like the set was that they were doing? And like, it's just so much more raw and real or like, you know, cartoonish. Yeah.

Whereas Survivor is still pretty purely about gameplay. That's interesting. It really opens up a conversation with evolution of reality tv it does but let's save that for a separate podcast because we do have some real estate prospecting to get to i can't get a yes or no um i think no i think my problem with survivor was that it just became really formulaic and it was the same every time and like whereas on the bachelor they're they specifically cast like crazy people or on the challenge where it becomes people that you know and like it's like

going back to see a character that you're familiar with sure um survivor became almost too like perfunctory and the people they were casting were so familiar with the game as as they say and it just became it just like lost its luster like they they they found a way to um change that this season which was really good but like it just became like too much like you know just a game you're really familiar with with not a lot of personalities yeah i think also like there have been some huge personalities to come out of the show like like you said cochran boss and rob who met his wife on the show which was like totally anomaly and once in a while you kind of like get those characters like abby maria yeah totally oh gosh the world would not have hasselbeck if it wasn't for survivor i know and

that's crazy and she was also like her persona on the show was so different than the person we know now but it's it's just amazing i mean it's really a testament to how smart their producers are and how much like care they put into that show they keep it going and still so impressive let's talk about houses okay nba time yeah this is like a mini source to say yeah well let's keep it off brand of sources say there's not a lot of nba gossip going on right now like there's the front office stuff of the sixers there's like some clippers do you want to weigh in on this and the sixers in one sentence uh I think that it's pretty convenient for them to have brought in Colangelo now because the dirty work is done it would have been interesting if they had done this this past offseason but they are going to probably like at least have this best statistical chance for the

number one pick so it's almost weird it's like Jerry Colangelo's if they get Ben Simmons like Jerry Colangelo gets to sign like three players who probably would have wanted to play for them anyway if they had had Ben Simmons. Right. And it's like, oh, we need Jerry Colangelo to come in and like grease the palms and like kiss some babies so that like Earl Watson would come play for the Sixers or something.

I don't know. I mean, like it just seems like Sam Hanks. If they had Ben Simmons, Joel and or Jaleel Nerlens and Sarge next year I think that players would want to come play for Philadelphia I mean their money is still legal tender you know what I mean like it's not this idea

that Sam Hanks alienated the entire world of GMs and agents and that people were going to drive the price up and not want to come play in Philadelphia seems a little bit out like inaccurate to me yes and now it's like no matter what happens Colangelo is going to get the credit it seems like he'll either have like professionalized the organization or he'll move Hinckley out and bring in his son or whoever to come GM that's gonna be weird are they selling the team there's a rumor that they want that the

Sixers owners Josh Harris and his partner want to buy an NFL franchise for London uh and they already own part of or most of Crystal Palace what's that uh it's a soccer team in the Premier League oh and that they're really interested in like the London sports landscape I guess uh and and that they might be looking to flip the Sixers interesting that's a great segue into prospecting in new lands yeah Yeah. And here in Southern California, we got some real estate news. This is the playground for the rich and famous. And it's also the real estate haven for the NBA player. Guys just love to have off-season homes here.

Even Pat Riley, I was just reading about, has had a Malibu home for 28 years. And he says in 28 years, he spent 28 months here. Wow. Only spends one month a year in Malibu. But it's worth it. Watches his home every day on camera oh my god like wishing to be there like pat riley or hoping that no one's broken into it probably a little bit of both probably just like i want to look at my achievement but i can't have it because i work so hard any and is it on the cliffs is it on the beach do you know i mean you have to imagine if pat riley bought a house in 1988

in malibu it's instead of pre prime locale there was probably like two or three more was there anybody more important in los angeles in 1988 than pat riley magic johnson sure so one person yeah sorry that's it though yeah just him um i just you know in malibu there's a big difference between to me in my mind there's a big difference between like the privacy up in the hills yeah or like on the beach and i would prefer the beach but who knows you gotta deal with erosion though it's true and also like a rising tide yeah not not lifting all boats but drowning my home so it's hard to say but i would still go beachfront. Although, honestly, beachfront property in this climate change is really hard to invest in.

But if you are a rich NBA player, there's plenty of opportunities for you to buy real estate here in Southern California. Yeah, from people like Scott Disick. So Russell Westbrook, Big Russ, California native, he just bought a home from Scott Disick. UCLA alumnus. UCLA. Do you get to be an alumnus if you don't graduate? I think you could start saying that. Okay, if you're Russell alumnus. UCLA. Do you get to be an alumnus if you don't graduate? I think

you could start saying that. Okay. If you're Russell Westbrook. Yeah. Also, his wife went to UCLA, so they're like a real sweetheart couple. Yeah. I love it. Love them. And now I'm worried for them because I feel like they've bought a house from the Prince of Darkness and allowed him to get

almost $1 million profit off of his investment okay so scott bought his house last year in beverly hills for like 3.5 and russell bought it for 4.4 4.3 right tmz has the numbers at 3.7 and selling for 4.65 but wow what's a couple hundred thousand between friends um are you familiar with the program million dollar listing los angeles i am familiar with the franchise i don't think i've watched recently one of like i think he's like the villain of the show josh altman was photographed with scott disick like in beverly hills like like leaving or entering a home right so i wonder if he was the was the broker for this transaction fascinating question and i wonder if it will end up on the

show probably i don't think they're filming right now it's probably not but i just like to think that russell westbrook is above dealing with people like Josh Altman So you gotta assume that Russell has a pretty nice Oklahoma Pad just because What do you think you can get in Oklahoma City I mean you could probably buy large parts of Oklahoma for what you make Yeah like you get like a lot of land

Although there's a lot of oil money out there Shout out to you Clay Bennett I'm not impressed with this house I think that the main takeaway is that you apparently can see catalina on a clear day and it's got a nice view but the bathrooms are so small they look like he looks it basically looks like he's in a new marriott really huh the bathrooms no no offense russ but it's just the patio furniture is really like basic just like white and gray and this was a straight up flip for scott flip for scott but i feel like russell got jobs he's probably gonna have to put some money into it oh maybe he's

gonna knock it down go over an open floor plan i'm i think first of all i've never been into open floor plans because if you're a tv watcher you know that you need like separate separate spaces like you don't want like noise bleeding and also like you just want to have the best tv experience like it's just for someone who's in a TV Centric household that just doesn't work Juliet what if you want a TV experience Why wouldn't you buy a house with a man cave that's a great Question maybe from someone like Tyson

Chandler who just put his house on the market I know yesterday it's um where Is it in the hidden hidden hills which is above North of Malibu right like northeast Of Malibu okay like above Topanga Oh okay that's a little Bit further away so it's like that's a real like northeast of Malibu okay it's like above Topanga oh okay that's a little bit further away so it's like that's a real like kind of country home yeah and it looks I mean the thing about Los Angeles is like people have like second homes very close to their first

home yes and I think also within Los Angeles if you build a big enough house you can have a lot of motifs going yeah you can yeah lots of different uh so Tysonyson has like a a man cave that has a kind of like a refurbished barn look like it's got a barn roof kind of like what are those called like a vaulted roof uh-huh well i guess vaulted is just high right anyway but he's got a really nice couch i've never seen before where the the top of the couch looks the same as like the seats of the couch i don't really understand like what's going on here but it's an interesting look oh i see it's leather so it's like this all this like leather upholstery it looks like a giant ottoman that was like turned into a couch basically interesting like just refurbishing things i personally just want to

point out i hope that uh whoever buys this house keeps the giant photograph the blow up of the photo of tupac spitting on reporters which is like a weird thing to have like i mean i i think it's cool tyson's from went to dominguez and like he's from la and he wants to rep pock but that's just a strange thing to look at if you're watching the affair right sure do you think he watches the affair well this is my question so he also has a really um in his gym he has um like a a banner of the mavs 2011 championship win but it's like a really weird um banner it looks like it's like he like paid like his cousin to do a photoshop like the larry obrien trophy cuban he doesn't want to give the mavericks any money so he just like did it went rogue did his own screen printing did some

airbrush uh what i want to ask is that like let's say you are buying now this this this this man cave also has like a wild west theme it kind of looks like the hateful eight set it's detached saddlebags yeah but if you were let's say a woman with a lot of money which i hope to be one day yeah and you're buying a house like what do you do with a man cave and what would the what would the women's equivalent of a man cave be what do i do with the man cave well assuming i like get rich tomorrow and i'm at my own age yeah um first of all i would buy like all of the really nice where is it anthropology that are just like a little too expensive for me like can you give me like just a garden variety of what you're looking at sure they have these really nice like cracked glass coasters that are like just like really pretty

so that would kind of be like the focal point that i'd build around i know it seems silly but they're really beautiful so would crack glass be the like the motif you're working from i think it was a motif like six times in the podcast i think it would kind of be like um an anthropology meets like modern design like very clean lines i think and it would be like a mixing of like dark woods and light colors basically so the the it's sort of like a perfection in blemishes yes are you chris ryan from dwell magazine are you reviving dwell um that's interesting i i feel like i would also want to have just like um a really comfortable recliner i just want to say that my real i have like two real dreams when it comes to real estate one is to have like a bedroom big enough for like a separate sitting area that doesn't feel like you're like it's too it doesn't feel like there's just like

somebody shoved a recliner in the corner that no one ever sits in yeah and i live in a hotel room yeah when i lived in san francisco i had like a large bay window in my bedroom that i had like a recliner and it was so nice and like just hope to get back there one day not san francisco not san francisco but just that lifestyle and then the other is like this is also popular with NBA players like a really just like tricked out kitchen but they have with a with an island they have gigantic islands I'm more into a peninsula like I don't want something in the middle but like I always like a breakfast bar I see that's the thing is like I'm into a nook I find the islands to be a little like you think you're going to use it but you're often just in the way of people who are cooking and stuff like that and third of all have to say that i find almost categorically in nba

houses but just in rich people's homes in general the dining room is bullshit yeah you never use it it's like this long like downton abbey table with like bad candles and it's usually like dark brown and with like puffy white chairs or whatever and nobody ever wants to eat there no it's like you do it maybe once a year at christmas you'll have like people over and do that but like every other time you're either eating at the island or eating in front of the tv yeah or like i like a good eating eating kitchen which is really nice um yeah i i just the i guess it's like in vogue to have like the gigantic island but i would i would get rid of that also it doesn't really like facilitate like mingling in the kitchen which inevitably happens i hope to host a lot of parties so my home will need to have a kitchen that's more conducive a mingle kitchen a mingle kitchen um you were doing

some research and found out that uh well this is just like it's like what is important in your life that's what we're asking nba players like where are your priorities at and uh Gordon Hayward bought a house not much like different different in terms of uh price from Russell Westbrooks and his is in I think it's like right outside of San Diego yeah it's a Hacienda style home uh in the fair in Fairbanks Ranch I've never heard of that it's two hours south of Los Angeles here's what I've heard about Gordon Hayward I've heard that like um he wants to like move back to Indiana as soon as his NBA career is done good for him and this leads me to believe otherwise like is this a vacation home for him or does he have a gaming room I mean 550 square foot with six bedrooms and eight bathrooms and

it's got one of the nicest decks I've seen in a really long time wow seriously but like seriously is there a gaming room I just feel like I feel like i won't believe he's made it his own until i know about the video game setup and like the internet it's a little doll housey oh lovely outside facade oh that is really nice really it looks like it could have been in the oc basically um i'm not seeing a gaming room i've seen a lot of pool action it's a tennis court and a gorgeous sunset over an infinity pool are you looking at pictures of when he purchased it or what it looks like now? What it looks like now. Oh, interesting.

I'm sure he'll tear everything down and make a massive virtual reality gaming experience. He should invest in VR. That's like the next thing. I think that he maybe missed the train of that being like an affordable investment. Well, if he can afford this home, who knows? Well, but yeah, he has to buy it two hours outside of Los Angeles. I don't know, but some people prefer San Diego. maybe he just prefers san diego don't get mad at me i just don't want you to insult his investment like maybe this was a good idea and he doesn't

want like the hustle and bustle of city life i'm sure he doesn't that's why he seems so keen of living in utah and retiring to indiana right well maybe that's not true he's having a great season it's true with a very With a very prominent haircut. Did you see Jeremy Lin's haircut? I did. What do you think? I'm not a fan. Okay. I wonder where Jeremy Lin has off-season real estate.

Did you read the article over the summer about how he was living in a two-bedroom apartment in Santa Monica? I don't think he bought that. I think it was a rental, so I assume he gave it up. Do you think he has your old apartment in San Francisco With a chair next to the window He's from the Bay Area isn't he I'm sure he has a home there I bet he got a good deal somewhere cool Alright well thanks for listening to this grab bag

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