The Bill Simmons Podcast - Ep. 78: Jay Glazer

Episode Date: March 18, 2016

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons welcomes Fox Sports’s Jay Glazer to discuss the current NFL landscape, the secret to the 2007 Giants (12:00), UFC vs. NFL (17:00), the original NFL Insider (29:00), picking a fight with Peyton Manning (44:00), NFL lockout scoop (50:00), his relationship with Roger Goodell (55:00), interning with Mike and the Mad Dog (1:02:00), and Gronk's new show (1:08:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Subscribe to our newsletter at TheRinger.com. We put out four this week. We are taking care of you, America. And we're off. Yeah. Clear enough for you. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Clear enough for you Alright Yeah Yeah

Well this podcast Was a long time coming Can you see me No doubt Jay Glazer A man of many hats Is y'all ready for me A man of many vocations

You touch a lot of lives You break stuff You do MMA You have a gym You're training people Then you're on Sundays I can't keep track with you Then MMA, you have a gym, you're training people, then you're on Sundays. I can't keep track with you. You know, it really wasn't until you offered me my 500 grand to come on here that I finally relented. Under the table. Yeah, that's exactly right. How you doing, man?

I'm doing good. Good. Long time, buddy. I like it. I know. I like the digs here. This is nice. Reminds me about my early days when I got kicked out of my first three colleges this is nice i like it our studio is not built yet what people at home don't know that we're the air conditioners no this place is great oh thanks i think i just saw diddy walk past with like four dancing girls and then usher was over here was that bieber that he was over there with in your in your private basketball court it It was Bieber, Jackson, Diddy Jones. His place is incredible, man. And I think the farm animals is a good touch, too.

I like it. It's good. So you showed me a picture. You just came from a place where Rob Gronkowski was, and you threw me into a loop because that's my dude. I mean, I'm a giant Pats fan. So Gronk is there. Gronk is there.

He's getting ready for 2016. A little bitter taste in his mouth, maybe. No not only that we have martellus bennett also so the two of them yesterday martellus bennett we have martellus bennett so um when we're sitting in there he's like oh you know uh i think i'm going over to new england i said yeah you got two other teams that are interested in you also and he's like well how the hell do you know this i'm like well you're supposed to be telling me this so it's kind of of back and forth. But when you saw the two of them together, we're standing over there in our little front desk area and you see him over there and you're like, how the hell is anybody going to stop these guys? It's going to be like, really? It's ridiculous.

And Martellus is, look, I root for, I root for these guys. I'm not the type of guy who tries to use my pen as a weapon. And people used to say, oh, he's not being objective. Yes, I am. You're not being objective if you use your pen for a weapon. Right? I just, it's just freaking football. Who gives a, we love cursing yourself? Yes.

Yes, we are. Who gives a flying shit? So, I don't take myself too seriously at all. Clearly. Right? And I do, I root for these guys. I don't want to root for a guy. I don't want Johnny Manziel to fuck up his whole life. I don't want Martellus Bennett to.

Martellus came in. I said, hey, man. And he likes to joke around and play around and this and that. And he learned pretty quick because in our place, you know, we we really run you and lift you and build you up. But everybody runs and lifts. So if you want to be great, what could you do that nobody else does? We use mixed martial arts. We use boxing. We use MMA. it's me and randy couture and chuck liddell and is nobody better to teach you how to really do well in a game of violence than this crew um and martellus so how long is grok so martellus early on he's kind of he's kind of he's talking and yapping and talking and yapping him look at this guy i'm going how the hell does this guy not make more Pro Bowls? And then I realized he just talks so much, but we put our hands on him so much.

He's like, why do you guys keep doing this to me? We're like, well, you're the only dip shooter who keeps talking. And then once he kind of got into the flow, he was all in. And it's funny because I talked to the Bears before they traded him. I said, oh, my gosh, he's really doing that well. I said, he is a different guy than the guy I knew who was always screwing around, having fun. He's in now. And you're so tired in this place, you don't have that much chance to really screw around.

And when you saw the two of them together, and Gronk was looking, going, oh, my God. And he was sweating all over the place, Martellus, and we were doing all this real violent hand-fighting stuff with him as he's attached to these resistance cords. So he's running routes with resistance cords as he's trying to break my forearms uh trying to get off the line and gronk was like okay i think i'm in with this and i i don't know if he called back there and said hey this guy's doing great or what but you see the two of them they're both over six feet tall i mean six six sorry everything's tall to me uh they're both over six six they're They're both in the 270, you know, 260, 270 range.

They're basketball. Ridiculous. They're basketball, small forward, power forward. Absolutely ridiculous. So I don't – where the Patriots have always been smart and smarter than most and where a lot of teams kind of get it wrong is, you know, obviously the GM and the head coach are pretty much the same thing. But what you want to do in this league is you, as a GM, get players that fit your coach's system.

Don't get players that you think are great, but your coach doesn't think is great. Get players who fit your system. Obviously, Martellus fits that system. They can go back and do what they used to do before Hernandez killed 9,000 people. Right. Allegedly. Well, that's what they were hoping with uh scott chandler last year and he just didn't have it anymore but they when you have that second tight end brady loves throwing

the tight ends now he's gonna have two beasts i always thought bennett was super talented i never i didn't know if it was cutler's fault or whose fault it was but it never he never seemed to get the thing with bennett is he is um he's almost he's like a wide receiver he acts like a receiver you know he gets diva-ish and we talked about it too i am very blunt with these guys but we have this again this gym over here unbreakable performance with me and brian or lacquer and lindsey berg who's a three-time captain of the u.s olympic women's volleyball team that we're trying to make like the soul house of training right up here it's a pretty pretty cool thing it's you got i didn't

get an invite because i have no muscle in my body? Absolutely. You have a couple of them. I have an athletic frame. Yes, we call that skinny. We don't have a name for that yet. Yeah, okay. But at any one point, you'll have 25 NFL guys, five UFC fighters.

But you'll have the Rockers there, and he'll be spotting the three hedge fund guys. And Usher will be in there with a dancer. And you'll have a bunch of women in there doing Muay Thai or boxing in a cryo chamber. We have PRP there. We have an IV bar. You have the cryo chamber? Oh, yeah. We go.

We are very cutting edge. But everybody's together, whether you're my 65-year-old Jewish boss or my, we have women in there who are in their 60s and 70s. As long as you're successful and want to use kind of what made you successful and kind of share it with others, you're in. Pretty cool little thing. Is that how you got into Ballers? Because of the rock star coming to the gym?

Oh, did you notice that I was in Ballers? Well, I heard you're more prominently involved in the second season. I am. I've already won, just, you know. This is not an HBO promo, by the way. I just heard you were in for this season. You actually have lines and stuff.

You're a character. I had lines in the first season, too. No, but I mean, like, you're in the stories now. I have won, I think I won two Oscars for my rendition last year. Stop it. I was a great-looking Jewish reporter with a huge wants.

I won three Grammys. And for this year, I think they already gave me a Nobel Prize. There's no Grammys for acting. There are now. That's how good I was. I was that good. Well, I got a Grammy,

a couple Tonys. No, it was. And yeah, rock and hard. So now you're in. Yeah, I'm in a lot this year. And I know I'm good because I have like a couple of fight scenes. I have a strip club scene. You have a strip club you're damn right 14 hours at a strip club i just

couldn't seem to get it right that day they had to do it over and over usually i'm money but man but it is funny and i think my my best value to a lot of my friends like like duane is i make them very immature so it's like the dude factor right life? Life is my locker room. I have fun. If you take me seriously, you're an idiot. All right? For anybody who rips me, you're a moron. Life is my locker room. Let's have some fun.

And he and I just get along great. Is The Rock more famous, just as famous, or less famous than I think he is? More. But you know what, too? That's how I feel like he's... It's unbelievable. I feel like he's one of the most famous people on the planet and nobody really understands this.

He was the biggest box office star last year. He had more money than anybody. But let me tell you what he does. And this is why I love being around guys like this. And you know, Strahan and I have been since 93, since day one, right? But we grind and we grind and we frigging outwork the world and we use each other to help this and that and that

and people just look at you like, oh, suddenly you're successful, you got lucky. Fuck no, nobody gets lucky. We outworked everybody and we put ourselves in the right place at the right time by outworking the world. That's the rock? Dwayne does that more than anybody.

And he named his company Seven Bucks Productions because when he started, it really started on this journey, he had less than seven bucks in his pocket literally i didn't know that he crapped out in the cfl said okay i guess i'm gonna go try pro wrestling and you know even that you got to try out and he had less than seven dollars in his pocket and the reason why he does so much and and we talk about all this stuff is because he's just always afraid to go back to that and that's you gotta love a guy like that i'll tell you i'm a i'm a stuff is because he's just always afraid to go back to that. And you've got to love a guy like that. I'll tell you, I'm a wrestling fan. Yeah.

He's the best wrestler of all time. Is he? Yeah, because he was great in the ring, but also his promos and the way he could ad-lib and all the stuff you have to do that's not wrestling, he was also the best at that, and he's just not replicable. You knew he was going to transcend wrestling and do something else pretty early when he even if he wasn't this this guy he's the type of guy i'd want to be one of my closest friends he is such a good human being and he's also one of the

type of guys that really pays it forward he understands hey god has blessed him with this incredible life and he's he's now going to bless else. And he does so much that we don't know about of visiting children. And it's incredible how many lives he touches, and he's happy about it. You know a lot of celebs, you see them, and they're just full of shit. They got their publicist making sure they're doing something. He's not. Carefully arranged puff pieces. He is not at all, man.

Like, he really, every day to him is a happy day because of where he is. It's really refreshing to be around. Were you training with Strahan in like the 2006, 2007 range a little bit? Was I training with him? Yeah. Were you like helping him be good at sports? We retired. Because I'm trying to decide how much to blame you for the Patriots-Giants loss.

He actually. Because he was really good in that game. I trained him after that. I don't like you as much as I did two minutes ago. No, I trained him after that. Let me tell you about that game. I trained him after that. I don't like you as much as I did two minutes ago. Let me tell you about that game. Please don't. Okay.

It still hurts. No, tell me. I'm just going to embrace emotionally. Tell me. Tell me about one of the worst days of my life. Please. Literally during the game, Strahan and Osi and Tuck, they were getting after Tom so much, they thought they were getting after Tom so much they thought they were

getting set up and they were actually holding back they're like it can't be this easy something's wrong Bill and them are suckering us

they're suckering us and that's how much respect you have for Bill Belichick and Tom Brady they're like no it can't be this easy but they were beating the hell out of the whole line

and they were just running free on them and they literally were holding back thinking they're getting rope-a-doped and they would have had a ton of sacks in that first half like George Foreman and Nathan Sillivore exactly And they were just running free on them. And they literally were holding back thinking they're getting rope-a-doped. And they would have had a ton of sacks in that first half. Like George Foreman and Nate Kinsley before.

Exactly. That's what they were doing. And it was amazing. It wasn't until like really midway through the third, Michael turned and said, you know what? Son of a bitch, I think we're really just kicking their ass. I don't think we're getting set up and everything. Let's release the hounds. I wonder if DeMarcus Ware and Von Miller had the same conversation in Denver two months ago.

They probably did. But I think they knew going into that, we're going to be able to get them. Where there was so much respect for what the Patriots had done that year. You didn't have confidence. No one gets a Tom. You didn't think you were going to hit Tom a lot. Even if you beat the O-line, he gets rid of the ball so fast. One thing that people don't know about your guy, Tom Brady.

The one thing that people don't know. We all know how much Peyton Manning works because he lets us know. I love that subtle dig. Now you've won me back. I'm back. We all know how hard Drew Brees works. We all know how hard some of the greats work.

Tom Brady works just as hard as these guys. Being great is a sickness. You've got to be sick. It's got to be 24-7, and it is. It's just that he doesn't let people in, so you don't know. He works just as hard as Peyton, just as hard as anybody else, nonstop, every minute of every hour of the day. That dude is trying to think about, you know,

he's going to text the coach on this. He's going to text the coordinator. He's thinking about this text the coordinator he's thinking about this he's watching film it never stops never stops never stops this is you've just made my case for two separate things one is why deflate gate was so ridiculous because he's doing so many different things how does he have time to worry about whether the balls were seven percent less than they should have been but also i really think he has a chance to play until he's 45 everyone thinks i'm'm crazy. No, I think he does what he wants to do. I started writing about that two years ago. I just think with the way the rules have changed

and all the different advancements that athletes have now, I don't see why he couldn't. I think it's realistic. He trains his ass off, doesn't get hurt, doesn't take a lot of hits. The only reason he wouldn't. Doesn't drink, doesn't do any of that stuff, goes to bed at 830. Who said he doesn't drink? I don't think he drinks't. Doesn't drink. Doesn't do any of that stuff. Goes to bed at 830. Who said he doesn't drink? I don't think he drinks.

Yes, he does. Maybe he has like a half a glass of Pinot Grigio on Sundays. You're killing him right here now. Jeez. I think he plays until the repetition of it gets to him. A lot of times guys retire because they're so tired of the meetings. They're so sick and tired of sitting in there. And a lot of times you're sitting in there, let's say training camp,

coaches are going over stuff. You've heard it 18 years in a row. It's kind of like, oh, my gosh, why do we have to be in here? But you do. You have to be in there. And a lot of times guys are just like, I'm done with all that stuff. I just want my life back. However, once they leave, they're like damn we missed we hate that stuff but now we miss just

being around your guys you miss that locker that's the recurring you know basketball players always i've talked to a bunch of them about that and they say the reason they retire two reasons one is their body just started breaking down and it just wasn't fun to just go through it every day but the real thing was just that the season's over. You know, it's like for a football player, it's like May. And you're just like, fuck, I've got to get up at 6 o'clock today and I've got to do this. It's not in me anymore.

I don't want to do it. Nothing's driving me anymore. Absolutely. I think Brady still has it. And I think Manning, by the way, I really think if the Rams had said, here's $15 million, be our quarterback for one year, I think he's playing. He didn't have an offer. He didn't have an offer, and this is where people get it wrong.

It's kind of chicken or the egg. He didn't have an offer because everybody knew he was done. So it just wasn't worth it. But nobody even tried to kick the tires on it, though. Because they knew he was – if all of a sudden they turned around and said – Because they watched the Super Bowl. All of a sudden they turned around and said, listen, we're going to play again.

We're going to play for two more years. We're in. We're all in. Of course he's going to have offers. Are you kidding me? Look at the quarterback play this year. Case Keenum. And how many times is Matt Castle going to get traded?

You've got to be shitting me. This is the worst, in my opinion, depth for quarterbacks has ever been. It's awful. And don't look at the numbers and go, oh, well, the numbers show that quarterback play's been up. No, it hasn't. When Brandon Whedon and Matt Castle and Case Keenum, no, it's definitely not up.

Well, and then you talk about all the advantages that QBs have now compared to 10 years ago and not having to worry about guys diving at their feet, all those things, and they're still bad. Right. Imagine how bad it would be if you could beat the shit out of them. You know, the rules today also, you just can't spar.

You can't do anything. Yeah. You know, it's just all flag football for them. And all of a sudden on Sundays, they're getting their ass kicked. Right. And all of a sudden, Von Miller's coming off the blind side and just whacking. You're like, whoa, I'm not used to this. Totally different.

What would you do to, uh like i personally think football pairs football players are a little too big a little too strong a little too fast and that's why a big reason why we're having these concussions and you can try to change all the tackling techniques and all that stuff but when you have as you said when you have gronk and martellus bennett who are 6 6 270 and running a 4 6 40 going down the middle of the field with some other TJ Ward coming at them the other way, there's going to be carnage. So how would you fix it? Is there a way to fix it?

I wouldn't. I wouldn't fix it at all. Here's my issue with all this, okay? Everybody's talking about CTE and concussions and all that. Look, I'm different. I'm from the world of mixed martial arts. My job is to remove you from your consciousness. And the crazy thing is there are more concussions in women's soccer and hockey than there are in football i would think um but we just don't hear about it

because you hear about it in the league because it's gone really congressional and the attorneys here's here's my deal okay and this is the crazy part i can't tell you how many people have come in so i want to get my kids into mixed martial arts i don't want to play in a dangerous game like football i'm like'm like, that makes no frigging sense. Our job in this sport is to break your limbs and knock you out. But, oh, yeah, let's give you a safer sport. It's off. But here's the biggest issue I'm having right now with the concussions and PTSD

and all this stuff is, yes, are there issues there? No doubt about it. If all the information isn't being shared, that's bad because we really need to advance it. However, OK, what's driving me crazy right this place in Los Angeles. They just really tested me for all these concussions. And, you know, I thought I had like eight concussions. Do you know that I had 60 to 80 concussions? And I said, whoa, so what's the solution? He said, he didn't give me one. He just told me how many concussions I had.

And you know what? I've noticed that the computer's getting fuzzy. You can't do that to guys. You can't do it. You can't tell us. And I say us because I've been knocked out, I can't tell you how many times, because I'm a crappy fighter. I'm a good coach, but a hell of a bad fighter.

Don't frigging let me know how many concussions I have and the effects if you're not going to give me a solution. Ignorance is bliss. But the other part of it is if I willingly give you uh i'm gonna put a football helmet on you and i'm gonna say dominican sue and and and jj watt and this guy in that case you could they could smash you in the head a million times you could run you're gonna run into them over years and years and years you're gonna smash your head and people if i give you a gun say you're gonna leave your family you're gonna go overseas and you're gonna go kill people you don't know they're

gonna kill you and you know you hope to get back you don't know. They're going to kill you. And, you know, you hope to get back. If I willingly step into a cage every day with a Chuck Liddell and a Randy Couture and they're allowed to kick me in the face. And oh, by the way, I'm going back in tomorrow. Son's frigging off with us going in. Okay. My issues are not because I've been knocked out 12 times. You've accepted the risks.

Absolutely. And you know what? I'd rather, this is me personally. Nate Diaz said it best. Our sport institutionalizes us. I would rather, I'd rather the sport kill me than I die from not doing it. And if I can't do this, I feel like I'm just going to waste away. And it makes me feel like, you know what? I'm not like the rest of the world. It's good. I'm different. I embrace my differentness.

Same thing with these guys. Okay. A lot of times if you're a soldier, you have depression, you have some issues. I'm not like the rest of the world. It's good. I'm different. I embrace my differentness. Same thing with these guys. Okay. A lot of times, if you're a soldier, you have depression, you have some issues. That's what's leading you to war. Right? If you have issues, obviously I had issues that led me. It's not sane for me to go sit in a cage and get kicked in the face by people. Right?

It's not sane. First of all, it's not sane. Second of all, I'm Jewish, so I've really got everything everything against me and there's something off about me going in yeah you guys any football player same thing this it helps lead you away from certain problems and now that we're going oh man this guy's suffering from depression this guy's suffering from this this no we had it going in for the most part not every single person but a lot of us had it going in and now we're just lumping it all in together we have you know our soldiers come back and they tell you it's man you got depression man you have this 10 ptsd and they're like this is nothing you had to see how i was before this but they're they're not judging that so that that's my i'm not saying it's not, but we're making it a, like, again, I know I have issues.

Getting knocked out did not lead me to my issues. My issues led me to go do that sport. And there's a lot of people in that same position. But you're not against, you know, they've cleaned up some things that probably need to clean up, right? Like the safety, doing the extra headshot over the middle of the protect receiver. I would love safety issues. Yeah. But I also absolutely. Let's my issue is that they don't do enough as far as I would look. I would love for them to look at every single thing you possibly can.

I would love for them to look at. Hey, this guy has an idea in South Carolina. He thinks it's going to help out. Let's listen to him. Yeah. I don't care what sporting apparel company they're with. If you have a way to to help with head trauma sure and i i also like the cte thing everybody's like oh we have cte and they say you know frank gifford suffered from cte i'm going sign me up for that one because that's he's had a hell of a life i'll take that i'll take that form you know he's had a hell of a life so i just think we all everything gets lumped into same thing now with with you know i mean it's like oh my gosh is the worst thing even like you brought up before like deflate gate like everything doesn't have

to be a freaking gate okay sometimes like hey you know what we have an issue here let's correct it not make a huge congressional hearing or something shouldn't we be more worried about what athletes put in their bodies? And I'm not just talking about PDs, but for me it's like the great hidden thing with the NFL and the thing that nobody talks about or seems to care about. Everyone cares about concussions. Nobody cares about all the painkillers these guys are taking

to try to get through a season. Right. And that's just kind of washed to the side. What do we do to monitor this stuff better? Is there a way to even monitor it? No, I don't think there is. Well, you're in a catch-22, you play a game of pain. They're taking away all the painkillers.

And they play a game of pain. Again, you're talking to the wrong guy about this. So you'd make everything legal? I wouldn't make everything legal. The SNL All-Steroids Olympics. No, not steroids. I'm not talking about steroids. talking about steroids hello not that but you ever see that sketch i'm not saying that at all i there there again everything is so incredibly now we we have a um you have things that are getting banned because they think well it could give you issues in 30 to 40 years but we don't know right now well then why do that yeah why do that right now

it's helping guys right and if this guy right here has a torn meniscus and a high ankle sprain and a herniated disc in his neck and he's like oh my gosh i gotta get out there and play because he wants to play and they're still putting him out there without a painkiller. I just, I'd rather have the painkiller. Let's say Peyton Manning did take PDs when he had the four neck surgeries and was trying to come back. Huh? He needs a refund because it didn't work. Well, let's say he did.

Why is that a bad thing that an athlete who's trying to make money, as long as he's not doing it during the season with the games... Because he's giving an advantage over somebody else. You do have to have the same level playing field. But do you think just in general, should we be able to use it for recovery? I think if you can get a guy to heal, absolutely. Like stem cell over in Germany, absolutely. A million percent. I'm pro recovery stuff.

Absolutely. That's my point. But that was my point about the painkillers and anti-inflammatories help these guys recover help them don't send them out where they're like oh i can't use my my right arm but i'm gonna go play because i can't because there's so much pain there's so much inflammation don't do it let's get them out there where they're in as best shape as they can recovery wise and um they're they're not thinking oh my gosh i'm just gonna go out there i'm gonna be a sitting duck because then you really get hurt. MMA had a big PDs problem for a while,

and it seems like they're at least trying to make a concerted effort to clean it up. Was there a point where you were scared with that, with MMA? Because there seemed like a couple years there was like, whoa. It would piss me off when our guys would fight against somebody who was because I'm like, well, it's bullshit. Because you knew. Yeah, and I'm like, it's bullshit. Like, our guy's doing it right, and this guy's not, and it's bullshit.

It's an unfair advantage, no doubt. But we also know, look, this sport is, I love our guys in that sport. I really do. And they're a bunch of characters. They're morons. But you, like, my two closest friends and they're obviously you know chuck liddell and randy couture who train with me over at unbreakable and we are probably more sensitive in our conversations than any other dudes in the planet because who's questioning

our manhood yeah you know i mean these guys will cry over a freaking yes they'll cry over the notebook in two seconds because like no one no's going to look at Chuck and be like, look at you. Oh, I'm sorry about that. My bad. I'll cry right along with you, Mr. Liddell. We really do. We have the most sensitive, down-to-earth freaking conversations

that you really can't have with most of your dude friends. They always talk about UFC, somebody will get built up as a star and then they lose. And it seems to be this cycle that happens over and over again and everybody goes, oh, this is bad for the UFC. Then another star comes up. To me, the UFC is the star. Right.

It's the brand, right. Like at WWE, if The Rock's not there and John Cena gets hurt and they lose, all of a sudden it's like, shit, who do we have for WrestleMania? And they got to drag out Triple H and they got to bring back, you know, Shane McMahon is now in one of the main events. UFC, it's like next man up. I don't think it ever ends. I agree with you.

And here's the thing also. Here's the difference between the UFC and boxing. Look, I started in boxing. My coach's name was John Davenport. May he rest in peace. Love this man with all my heart. But the difference is, in boxing, your job is to pad your record as much as you can to get some marketability. And then half these guys want to try and make sure that they retire undefeated.

That's not what makes you great. What makes you great is to look for a loss, to look for that guy to beat you, and then figure out how you can get better than to beat him. That's why the Lennards and the Haglers and the Hearns were so freaking great, and why Ali was so freaking great. Fight anybody. Right. And in this sport, Randy Couture finished with a record of like 18 and 12 or whatever it is.

Don't make him a loser. Right? He's not going to pay. He's going to say, okay, I get to fight Brock Lesnar with a torn elbow and he outweighs me by 80 pounds. Shit, I'm up. Sign me up. A little BJ Penn fought at 205 once. Right?

A little 155 pounder. He's like, great, I'm in. That's what you want. That, in my opinion, that's what makes these guys different. You just saw Conor McGregor. I know everybody killed him for it, but he moved up two weight classes. Good for him. He's like, shit, I'll find a heavier guy.

Beats me, beats me, which he did. I love the sport because you take that ego part out of it. Retiring undefeated doesn't make you great in that sport, right? Finding that guy who could beat you so your martial art can get better and then come back and beating him. Then you find out who the fuck you are. When did you when did you feel like the whole human cockfighting narrative had officially gone away? When you were able to tell people what you did and they didn't laugh at you.

So what year is that? Like last month? No. I only had a couple of fights. It was 2003 and 2002, three, four. Wait a second. You actually. Yeah. In UFC? No, minor leagues.

Oh, really? Minor leagues, yeah. You have real fights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And what happened was my first day on the job at Fox, David Hill, I came in all beat up. I won this thing called the world, the Niagara World Submission Fighting Championships. And I came in there.

David Hill's our boss at Fox NFL Sunday and he comes in and my eye is shut my nose is all over here my foot's broke and because he's heavyweights in the next they fell into me on some other stuff

so I come in and David Hill's like what the fuck happened to you and I said hey I just won the world submission fighting championship

he says and he's Australian he just did the Oscar he goes I don't know what the fuck that is but you'll never fucking do it again and I was like why i'm clearly not on tv for my looks and then i realized i'm on tv for my looks yeah no i'm not no no that's what he meant but no but his

thing was like i can't have the family in nebraska who wants to know why our insiders eyes shut and his nose is broken all this and i said why i think it adds to like the dude factory. He's like, no. So for years, they wouldn't let me do it. I had to learn how to do something else. And I learned how to start coaching. And I actually took a fight. You'll love this. I took a fight on an Indian reservation in Arizona because they don't exactly check records and blood tests.

And this is how I found out. I was taking a fight right after I was told by Fox you can never do this again. So I'm like, all right, I'll use a fake name. I'll do my stuff, whatever. And I just signed with them, but I couldn't stop. And it was on an undercard. The headliner was Tommy Morrison making his MMA debut.

Oh, wow. And then Dan Severin was on the card, who's a legend. I'm like, okay. They said, wait, Tommy Morrison. I said to the guys, doesn't he have AIDS? And they said, no, no, no, it's a legend. I'm like, okay. They said, wait, Tommy Morrison. I said to the guys, doesn't he have AIDS? And they said, no, no, no, it's gone now. I said, it's gone now? What do you mean?

Like rub some Vicks on it, it's gone? Like how is it gone? I said, no, he says it's gone now. I said, well, wait, did I miss something here? He said, no, he says he doesn't have it. I said, well, how do I know I don't have AIDS? And they said, you don't. But don't worry about it, he won't. I'm like, are you

shitting me? And they're like, yes. I'm like, yeah. I don't think. Actually, my dumb ass was still going to take a fight on there. Luckily, I tore my calf, thank God. And that was it. The end of my fighting career. That was 2004, I think. And yeah, it was like the wild. Man, I love it. I'm happy I got

in again. I wish i had more fights that david hill didn't do that but i got to train guys and i've trained 300 guys in the nfl now it's almost like you're two people actually it's almost like you're three people i got like 10 personalities trust me if you know you kind of do that over here yeah but the whole insider thing and you took by the way this whole entire segment is sponsored by zoloft go ahead well you took shit early on with the insider stuff because they're like oh he's he's too close with the players he's in the people are basically trying to put down the fact that you were able to get information in an unconventional way but i got it before i trained

guys and here's the thing i told them too i said all you guys who are ragging on me and i still have the same old guys do it the same guys i'm not even going to say where they are here you know you weren't a newspaper reporter i was though i was a columnist of the new york post so fuck them too yeah okay so what my point was all you guys are criticizing why don't you criticize the guys who write books with their players and coaches and they make six figures off it i've never made a dime off this stuff off of now this gym i hope i have over here i hope it's huge but it's not players we have everybody but i've never had made a dime off it but you guys make six figures off of writing books Now this gym I have over here, I hope it's huge, but it's not players. We have everybody. But I've never made a dime off it.

But you guys make six figures off of writing books with this coach and that player and this coach and that player. Yeah, your objective? Fuck that. See, that's a big thing for me because I remember I went on the draft for ESPN in 2014. I'm a Boston fan. I'll admit it. I love the Celtics. And they got this guy at number 17, 17 James Young that I really wanted them to get

and they cut to me and I was doing a fist pump and then everybody was like oh he's not objective he shouldn't be doing the draft I'm like you realize that nobody is totally objective right who's in the sports media everybody's got biases everybody's got coaches they figure and athletes and I mean you even saw with I know you probably can't

talk about this but but with CBS, the way Sims and Nance were announcing Peyton Manning, like it was still Peyton Manning and just kind of overlooking the ducks that were just levitating in midair. And it's like everybody protects everybody. And that's the way it is. But here's the bottom line too. Again, for all those people who used to rip on me or rip on you, it's just fucking sports. Give me a break, okay?

We're not covering the Middle East. We're not here saving lives. We're not really, I mean, all we are is escapism. That is it, man. Thank you, God, that we have this ability to make money and have fun and not grow up. That's all we are. Let's not take ourselves too seriously.

And, you know, when I first started this business, I was a newspaper columnist. And they would say to me back then, and I would try and do everything because i was broke and poor and it was awful and the new york post paid me a whopping nine grand a year eventually like hey thanks congratulations i know and which covered like four days of beer for me and then you got murdoch back eventually eventually some salary negotiation and i started trying to do radio and tv and the other newspaper guys like no we don't do that i'm like no who's we they said we don't do that

you motherfuckers aren't on my team i care it's on my team i don't you whatever rules you play by you're not paying for my kid so i started doing it and they would get so upset about it now everybody does it but you know i was the first one really to do the daily insider stuff was really me versus mort back then and i was at like cbs sportsline.com and he was doing espn and we did that and people frowned upon the internet you're not supposed to be doing the internet um i i'm sick and tired of people telling me what i can and can't do all i know is you look at my track record and look at everybody else's i'll put mine up i'm good i break bigger stories that you know are dead on well i always

i always loved you because you would get mad at espn when they stole your yeah scoops well that they didn't steal them they would just they would just take re-report the scoop 10 minutes later that's why i changed my name to sources yeah sources say though whatever that must drive it you know i can't even imagine how crazy that made here's what i found out over the years though all the years i was getting mad they were right um my mom is quite the harlot and she actually was cheating my dad with a guy named sources and they hitched the wagon and my name is sources now this whole time i thought she was playing canast with the other 78 year old jews that she was just whoring it around thanks mom but mom. But mom has a gambling problem, too, so I can't blame her for whoring it out. But they, yeah, and the first time it happened, look, I'm going to reveal something to you

that I just, I never said anywhere. That makes me so happy. All the times I've gotten mad at ESPN and I have that, I have it out and I go after them. I call them lying, cheating, stealing bastards and all that in all seriousness. I don't give a shit. Yeah. I really don't. I don. Yeah. I really don't.

I don't either when I do it. I really don't. But it's a good fight. It's a good bet. It's a good brand. I'm like, you know what? People like a fight. They like this David and Goliath.

Hell, I don't care. Okay, I'm swinging away. And what can I do to piss them off? And then, you know, it's funny because I talked to Mort years ago about this. I said, hey, dude, step away from this because I'm about to go off on these guys. And he's like, why? I said, no, nothing you did. It's just I think people are starting to like this shit.

And people, we really. It's progressive. Yeah, and I started saying, back then, I'm like, all right, you want to rag on me, ESPN? Let's put up, every week, let's put something up there and count who has what. Right, first, and wrong. Let's do it. Let's do a scorecard. And they did something in USA Today about that.

And then that was the year that i had the spy gate video and i had the joey porter levi jones video in a vegas and a beat down oh yeah and i had balco and i mean that was the year you could of all years you could have something like hey shit let's go let's sign me up so i started then saying what they got wrong and what i got right and with it and more it's like jay i said more it has nothing to do with you you know i love you all your boss is there and all all the guys run it but then i realized shit people are starting like this okay back then it kind of pissed me off and i forget what they oh you know what it was man they did a thing on when i did the farve um uh lions gate when he called the lions and gave him all the secrets on on the Packers because he was all bitter yeah and Favre came out and freaking you know denied it and then didn't deny it and

obviously it was true um and then the story became more about who my source was and all this shit because everybody kisses Brett's ass and ESPN put out a put out a memo inside in her office like do not report um reporter not credible and i somebody put it out oh wow that part got me to flip my lid yeah and so then i went out and that's when i went on this whole thing and oh and actually when this thing went down here's a little diggy for you when i went down i was in vegas with the captain of the mit card counting team from bringing down the hike bringing down the house. He told me how to count cards.

So I went there with me, him, this guy CB Dalloway. He fights in the UFC. He was one of my teammates. This other girl. And all this shit was going down when I was getting in a fight with him. And I took a phone call and stepped away from our table. And it was the commissioner, Roger Goodell.

Oh, wow. He called me to to be like what the fuck is going on with you and farve pretty much and espn because he said because i was going off and as i walked away from the table the guy we were with his name was mike aponte mike is the captain of the mit card counting team he is the man he is it's unbelievable and he took us to a casino and he dressed like he looked like a college kid he put like a hat and sunglasses on and khakis like you couldn't see and i took the phone call from roger i stepped away and as i come back i hear gentlemen your day here has ended mike thank you for coming here with your friends let's go and i look and there is 50 security

guards lined up to take us out and my idiot idiot friend, CB Dalloway, is going, oh, I hope you get backroomed. I'm like, I hope you get backroomed. Shit. You kidding me here? And I'm sitting there trying to get, I'm fighting with Favre and them. He wants to get backroomed because he's an idiot.

We got some girl there who's, she's just caught in the carnage. And then they led us from one security guard to the second, and then those two to a third, and those three to a fourth, all the way out the frigging door. It was badass. Wow. Yeah. And I was just, it was, you're talking about the 10 personalities that's going on all at once kind of collide together.

That's fantastic. But I don't, back to the, I'm sorry, I got, I don't have ADD, I got LMNOP, I'm beyond. But I don't give a shit. But people like the fight. Well, I remember in 07, the first time, I mean, I kind of know, oh, that guy, he's broken a couple. But the first time I really remember you was when you went at Manning a little bit because he insulted Strahan, your buddy. Yeah, at the Pro Bowl. I tried to fight him at the Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And obviously, I'm a Brady guy. And I love that anyone was feuding with Manning. So I was like, I'm in on Jay Glazer. This is great. It wasn't even that I was feuding. I'm a loyalty guy. Love me or hate me. The way I go about life is if you're my guy, you're my friend, I like you, I will treat you as if I'm hoping to be your pallbearer.

Yeah. It's the biggest respect I can give you, right? I will literally, loyalty is everything to me i will treat you like i will one day be your pallbearer if 10 percent of the people in my life treat me back the same way i got a pretty damn good mafia right strahan's one of those guys so if you can talk shit about him when he's going through his divorce shit you're up let's go so you're at the pro Pro Bowl in Hawaii. Manning says something you don't like. 35. Let's back it up. We were trying to break John Lynch's Mai Tai record at the pool. 36. Oh, so there were drinks.

37. John Lynch. 34 Mai Tais. 38. Shut up. 39. John Lynch, right? The whitest dude in the planet. Wears Brooks Brothers. 40. That's not true. That can't be true. 41. We can call him right now. 42. 34 Montays? There are 17 doubles. Okay? 17 doubles.

34 Montays. John Lynch, we call him 47 Red. Because you have John Lynch, who's the real, real white, whitest dude on the planet. And where's Brooks Brothers and has like 19 white kids. And then there's 47 Red, where you get a couple drinks in him or you put him in the field and he's knocking you the fuck out. You're going to fear for your personal safety. And he's the best too because when you get drinks in him, all of a sudden

he gets very patriotic from like the 70s and he will get up no matter where you are. You could be at a black tie event. He will start singing God Bless America. And if you don't sing along with him, and he's going to kill me for saying this, if you don't sing along with him, he will start calling you out

and start calling you like a commie. Commie? What is this? Is this frigging all in the family? Like, who uses those words? Are you shitting me? And he's, God bless America. And if you don't do it, man, he will start wearing you out.

So- 34 Mai Tais. 34, yes. He's a very impressive human being. He's a very accomplished person. So you're having Mai Tais at the bar in john lynch's honor i get i we wake up early the next morning me steve hutchinson ron and tiki barber and lynch to break lynch's mai tai record and tiki we got there nine o'clock in the morning five guys to drink a combined 34 no no no each one

we're gonna see if we can go we're about it at 9 a.m. Tiki pussed out at about 12. At five, me and Hutch, I was married at the time for a whopping 10 months. If you had 10 months in the divorce pool, you won. Wasn't straight hands was short too, right? No, his was just ugly. Oh, okay. Then, so we got our wives at the time. Me and Hutch, they made us leave at five.

Rondé stays, and he's going for the record. Oh, no. He's going for it. So he goes from 9 a.m. all the way until it's about 1 o'clock in the morning until he crapped out. So that's like two an hour for— He had 15 of them. He crapped out, so 30. So we're a little Rondé Barber. He's impressive.

Amazing. Very impressive. Thank you. So when do you run into Manning? Well, so later on in the night, I was up there with me, Sean Payton, Eddie George, Lorenzo O'Neill. I think that's Thomas. Sean Payton, our first coach in this story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's right there for it also. And I'm actually waiting for Chuck Liddell to come. Okay? Because Chuck is just hanging with me. You can throw any name in this point and I'll do it. And then we're waiting for Jake Gyllenhaal. Right, right, right.

And Sugar Ray Robertson. Chuck and I do everything together for years, right? And he's coming out just to... Why not? Back then, people didn't really know who he was. So he's coming out just to hang and whatever. And I said something to payton payton payton had been like we had been really close at one point and then all of a sudden he just kind of turned on me and turned i think a lot of us

and i have no idea why he kept throwing these jabs me and barbs me jabs me we're so good he played would play jokes i mean one time he zach thomas and him were hanging out and he's like hey paint wants you to call him on his new number right now and peyton gives him the number i'm like why he goes he just needs to talk to you and i go and call the number and it's bill paul and sell so he just set my ass up like he's great right so we're in there and um do you think pe Peyton turned on you because you were close to Strahan and Strahan and Eli had a whole thing? Well, that's what it ended up being because early, early, early, I found out. I didn't know. I didn't know what his deal was.

And he was kind of ragging. I mean, I'm like, dude, I love Peyton. I really do. He is frigging hilarious. He plays more jokes on people in this league than everybody but me and he is just he's he's in in really in tune with his immaturity which you love so all of a sudden we're sitting there and i'd said something like hey uh we're drinking whatever we're drinking he's like i'll have a bud light and i said something else he said i'll have a bud light and i said it again he said

i said i'll have a bud light am i stuttering get me Bud Light. And I was kind of like, what did he just say? And that would have been okay if not for Eddie George and Lorenzo Neal going, ooh. So I kind of jumped his shit a little bit. So now the testosterone's going a little bit. Now the testosterone's going. And Sean Payton and Lynch and those guys kind of pulled me away from him. And then later on, and then Chuck calls and I said, hey, dude, I think I'm about to beat the hell out of Peyton Manning. And he's like, wait for me, don't do anything. I said, I can't promise you anything.

And Peyton's recollection of the story is totally different than mine. As far as like, he said Chuck ends up throwing kicks through some shit out of it, but she didn't. So all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Peyton goes, hey, AJ, would a stray hand come crying to you like every day this year to do a story? I was like, what did you just say? Did he come crying to you every day to do a story this year with you? And I'm like, hey, man, why don't you leave Michael Strahan out of this?

And he said something else. I said, how about you never repeat Michael Strahan's name out of your mouth again? Because I thought he was talking about his divorce. And he said, what? And I said, you know what? And again,

I'm sorry for my language here. I said, you know what? Fuck you, Peyton, you little bitch. And he went, what?

Fuck you, Glazer. And I was like, fuck it. We kind of did that back and forth. And then are you working for Fox at this point? Yeah. And then,

this is great. I take a step at him. And then he had a tight end or something that stepped in for him. So it was like two on one. And then my friend, though, he stepped in for me. And my friend's Chuck Liddell. So he came flying in there because he saw the tight end or whoever was stepping for Peyton. And Peyton, Chuck's like, we've got a problem over here.

We've got a problem over here. And Chuck's kind of eyes, you know, clicked over. And I'm like, no, no, no, Chuck, get back, get back. And the tight end like, zoop, stepped away. so now it's just me peyton and chuck and i'm like chuck go away go away i got this i got this he's like no no no no don't fight him now fight him tomorrow i'm like no i got him now and now the crazy thing is my wife at the time and peyton's wife they're both sitting right there and they're both looking at us like these two are just the biggest morons in the world which we were we were just being drunken idiots freshman in college we really were it's so stupid

but at the end of it i basically let him know that it was not okay to do um in no uncertain terms i've cursed enough i use my f factor here in this on the podcast so um basically told him dude i don't i don't ever disrespect you don't ever do it to me and just because you play dude, I don't ever disrespect you. Don't ever do it to me. And just because you play football and I don't does not mean you can whip my ass. So let's try to treat each other in a respectable manner. And then later on, I went back and I was like, and I was obviously a lot more vocal about that. And I walked over later and he was like, I said, dude, who is that? He's like, man, I'm sorry.

Man, I'm sorry. And I just said, Peyton, look, man, we're still, it doesn't matter what we do in our careers. We're men. We're grown men, right? So just treat everybody the same as if you're behind 7-Eleven alone. There's nobody else around. And we've been good ever since.

We've been great ever since. You know who's never done that to you? Huh? You know who's never done anything like that to you? Tom Brady. I bet he's never acted like that. No, Tom's great. Tom's respectful. Tom Brady's the best.

Tom's respectful. See? And you know what? You just proved my point yet again. And Peyton and I have been great at it. Sometimes you guys kind of fight it out and you get closer, you know? But the thing with me is, again, I'm a loyalty guy. He can say whatever he wants to me, and he was.

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When's the flood of information coming in? So that whole weekend? Saturdays I don't sleep. People know you have the show coming. They're feeding you stuff. You have to discern. But it's not that. I call. I call every team.

I've got players, coaches, GMs. And you don't call like, oh my gosh, I need a scoop. Some of you do. But for the most part, it's where the job is exhausting is you have to outwork the world. And you've got to call and call and call. And you can't. You don't want to use people. So you talk about life. And you tell the same story 400 times your network i'm a relationship

broker i'm an information broker that's what you do and we're just talking shit all the time and you're hoping that stuff can come out of it and not come out of it and you're hoping that man by the time i get on tomorrow it's not out there and um now it's harder because back when i did it again it was me and and Mort. And it was it. Isn't it easier now with texting? Way harder. No, way harder. It's harder?

It was me versus Mort. It was it. Yeah. Right? So I could save stuff for two weeks. Now there's 40 people. And there's 40 people who don't care if they get their stuff right or wrong. I care that my stuff is right.

That is it. I'd rather have zero scoops and make sure everything I say is right than have a million scoops and have a 90% accuracy rate. What was your biggest wrong scoop that you can remember where you're just like, God, I blew that one? I don't. You don't have one? No. You may think things wrong. Like two years ago when I said Harbaugh's out in week one, everybody got killed me.

And they said, no, he's not. And there was information I knew, which is why I knew he was going to be fired no matter what. Even if they won the Lombardi. I said that week one before Deion said or anybody said, no matter what, Jim Harbaugh will be out as head coach of the 49ers. And then I got blamed from fans like I did it. It had nothing to do with me. I'm not the one that wore out the players there.

I'm not the one that wore out their trust. It had nothing to do with me. And I'm not the one that wore people out in the building had nothing to do with me. And I'm not the one that wore people out in the building. It's funny they go away when the guy, when it actually happens, though. Interpersonal problems?

Nobody says anything. It's just, I got killed when they fired. Or, thanks, Klaeser, you got your wish. Not my wish. Yeah. I think the guy's a hell of a coach,

but I think he had a short shelf life. Him and guys like Bill Parcells, they're smart. Three, four years, they go on to the next thing because they know all their little games end. All right, so you're watching the game.

Let's say you're watching. You know what? This year actually i had a i had a faux pas um a faux pas nice phrase because i said uh chuck mcgonnell will be out and then in the 11 and a half hour i think you were right though yeah things just ursa is changed maniac exactly literally changes they're gonna get rid of the guy if the year before if he didn't beat the broncos in that playoff game they're gonna get rid of the year before and then in the offseason they gave him a one-year extension offer as the lowest paid head coach in the league so that's where this information was coming from plus when you go there at camp it's easy the gm is just all over him chuck is like i can't believe they're doing this shit. Every player in there is like, dude, this is ridiculous. And you just knew.

And then as the season went on, you heard more and more. So when the season ended, and still it's like, and he knew he was gone. We were, you know, you're always trying to help your friends out behind the scenes and see what could be available and what's not, where you could help guys out. And I try and somewhat be like a temp agency if you can, right? If you will.

And it was a foregone conclusion. And then all of a sudden, they said, because the players were like, we don't, we want them. This is ridiculous. What are you doing? And they made him sit down and hash it out and gave him an extension like they should have. But I ended up being wrong. And that's the only time I can remember. And I'm not being cocky about it.

I'm so frigging conservative with what I put out. I'm so, I need three sources. It's got to come from the horse's mouth. I don't know other things that I've gotten wrong. New England, you guys killed me for a while because, you know, the deflate game thing, the thing that I jumped in on is at the Super Bowl, I said, they got on video a person of interest who they want to question, who was the ball boy or not the locker room. The guy who went to pee. The locker

room attendant, right? So that was obviously a big part of the freaking story. This is who they zeroed in on. They have them on video. This is who it is. That was my part, right? And everybody started looking at me like I'm saying they did it or not. No, I'm not saying you did it. And you know what? Quite frankly, even if you did it, okay, it doesn't have to be a freaking gate. Hey, Tom, Bill, we're hearing this. Knock it off. Click. That's it.

Okay. That was the mistake, right? That's it. They set up a sting. Oh, my God. But you just don't need to have a moon gate. Wait, we can't talk about this. Everyone who listens to me will be like, no, no, no. Don't drag Simmons down the plate gate road.

No, come on. My point is, it doesn't have to be a freaking gate. You really needed a congressional hearing to give Ted Wells three million bucks. You're shitting me. You're calling up. Listen, are you doing this? No. You're saying no.

We think you are. Knock it the fuck off. Next time you don't knock it off, we're going to do this. That's it. That is it. Nothing else. That's it. So you're watching, let's say you're watching giants panthers

and odell beckham and josh norman are getting super personal and you could just see it's escalating escalating this is not a common right this is not a common sort of we're just going at it this is like there's a real something going on so what's your process to try to find out what the fuck's going on with these guys what do do you do? So you go right to the people. I call the coaching players. Yeah, absolutely. You're like, what happened? What did he say?

We trained Odell. And I actually got on him about it because one of the things we actually teach these guys in there is they see us go at it. Like you watch me and Randy Couture, dude, we're horrible human beings to each other. Yeah. Terrible. I love him though. He loves me.

We love each other. Like me and Chuck can be awful to each other um but we don't lose our shit on each other that's part of being it's part of the fight game if you lose your mind in there you're gonna lose your you're gonna lose your focus and that's not good so we try and teach these guys think like a fighter try and teach them don't get frustrated don't sit there you fumble don't shut it down because you fumble if i screw up and somebody hits me in the face i can't be like oh man crap and shut it down for two rounds right you got to recover fast so he and i talked about it right after that i mean you know you can't do this okay the entire the guy tone the diaz and i

told him i said the diaz brothers their whole thing is to get you to lose your focus and lose your mind on him that's all they're trying to do. I said, and you fell into that rut. So you just go right away. How long do you wait till after the game? I don't. So Giants game ends. When do you hit up Beckham? I mean, I hit up guys right after. Or they'll hit me up. They're doing an interview?

I'm not there. Yeah, that's right. They got the shoe phone. Does the network put pressure on you? Like,ay no find this out in 10 minutes no thank god and early on look where fox really was great is and this really happened with the far stuff okay when the farv and the lockout which farv stuff there's lots of farv stuff farv stuff when he was going he's gonna get traded get traded. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the lockout. I told Fox, I am not going to report on anything about the lockout except when it's over.

I'm not reporting on a boxing match. We report on every feint and jab thrown. And I like my life too much. So while all these other guys are going to sit here on the courthouse steps and get used by both sides, I'm going to be in Cabo and Vegas. But when it's over, I'll let you know. And thank God I've built up that equity there where I could do that. And at 3.52 in the morning, I went and broke it.

And because both sides, it turns out, they appreciated that I did not jump in and wasn't used by the other side. And I made sure that they knew I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to be used. But I'm not going to do this. I'm not going to be used. I'm not going to, but I'm not going to let them use me either. So just, if you guys can show me the respect back, all I care about is when it's over, I'm not going to wear you out. And if you guys need help, try and end it.

I'm there for you. And they did three 52 in the morning. Bam. Wow. How cool is that? And the same day I went to court six hours later and adopted my son. Bam. How about that?

That's awesome. He was 32 at the time. No, he's, but same day. How's that for a day? How's that for a frigging day, huh? Very cool. How often do you talk to Goodell? A lot.

A lot? I actually mess with him a lot. I really do. I don't think he likes me. Well, whatever. You know what? But here's my thing. Here's what I told him too.

I said, the issue, Roger's actually a dude. People hate him. He's not. Dude, I'm telling you, if he was away from this shit, honestly, you'd love him. But the problem is, I think you would. But I'll tell you why. I'm going to tell you why. I know there has been, but here's why.

He tried to railroad my quarterback. I hear you, right? Well, the whole league office did. His issue is, he sounds like the White House press secretary when he talks. That's not him. He is a regular dude half the time every draft year it's something we're very focused on and it's it's we're just trying to keep our focus and every year you're not talking intelligently every year the draftee and i go drinking everybody says he's a great guy i can't believe it and i sit there with him last year and i said hey dude you sound like the white house

press secretary instead of the degenerate that i know you are which I love about him and you are and I am like he does that that dude factor but he doesn't let anybody freaking see it and they have voice coaches and speech coach you really need a freaking speech coach and a voice are you shitting me that what the difference is look at Steve Bishotti with the whole Ray Rice thing once Bishotti went out there and just said this is what happened this is where he screwed up where we screwed up. No one's hiding anything from you. We're like, okay, we're good. Roger doesn't do that. So when he had somebody else's words and he sounds like the White House press secretary,

it's easy to hate. And I said, Roger, where the issue here is, more people want you out of the league than some frigging jagoff who knocked his wife out an elevator and then spit at her and stepped over her. Something's wrong. And he's like, but that's our relationship. I don't care who you are, I talk to you the same. Whether you're Roger or you or my grandmother

or, you know, it doesn't matter. Just not Tom Brady. Don't talk to him. No, don't talk to him. Treat Tom with respect. He's a four-time champion. And it just drives me crazy that it's hard. So you feel like the real Goodell is not being represented in a public fashion that even remotely resembles the private Goodell?

It's himself. He doesn't do it. But if you talk to other people who have had a similar thing with him, they will tell you, too. You know what, guys? Actually, I'm telling you, dude, he's more of a regular dude than you know they just don't let him now i don't understand why he does a lot of the decisions like he shouldn't be the one who punishes everybody and part of it he shouldn't right take your take yourself out of that that's why you're so hated because you work for the owners too you can't it's it's too hard right it's got to be an independent

agency and then you have to kind of show you know're, well, I've got to show that I'm not subjective to this team, but it's just a bad slope to be in. I'm telling you, look, look what the NFL's done financially. They're a juggernaut, man. You don't think that happens with anybody, though? I think he's done a great job as far as the financial part of it. It's the most powerful league in the world. But I think all that other crap

that they've done has actually helped them. I think it's going to sound crazy, but the Deflate Gates and the Ray Rice and the- No, I'm with you, right? It's become the greatest reality show soap opera there is. So every time they do something, even if they screw it up, more people, every news station leads with it, right?

I wrote this as a comm, I think it was the opening week of ray rice when the ray rice season and i was saying like the nfl is now a 12-month league because they've figured out now how to make the soap opera in the offseason they always find one or two things everybody goes ape shit and they get all this mileage out of it nobody's even playing a game it feels like the nfl never goes away you know when when we did the we had the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson thing and everybody's asking me my opinion on my K-Man I'm not I didn't go to school for this I I don't cover crimes and and yeah and I'm not a psychologist I am someone who

goes to a lot of psychologists not the other way around and you're asking me to be your social compass absolutely not I'm here to talk about football. That's it. Okay? You want to know about what my opinion is of somebody who's a player? Hey, I'm in. But I can't talk to you about the difference between what Adrian Peterson and Ray Rice did. And same thing, I'd call Rick Spielman. I'd go, Rick.

And I told John Harbaugh this, too. I'm like, guys, you're frigging football coaches. You're meatheads. You're morons. And I say that with love. You're not this ultra psychologist who went to Harvard and talks about stuff like this. Don't put yourself in that position. It's not what you went to school for. But we get put in that position because how popular all these stories are. What do you think Goodell's biggest mistake was last 10 years?

I think all that making without a doubt,, just being part of all the punishments. Yeah. Because again, like you said, his bosses are the owners, but then he's turning around saying, I'm going to take your star player away for four weeks or 10 weeks, and you're still going to put these guys who are paying your salary. I think it's a bad position to be in. When did you realize... I can't wait for your answer on this one. When did you know Cranky was

taking the Rams to LA? When I said it two seasons ago... That's what everybody seems to think. When he bought the land, it was done. But here's my thing. So why did they go through the whole charade of pretending he wasn't going to put the Rams in? Oh, you had to.

The charade that it even goes as far as bringing bob agaran and pretending he's in charge of the car that was the other two that was the other two teams they had every right to also here was my only issue with it again i i'm i try to be in a world of of of making sure everything's dead on of accuracy it's the worst reported story in the history of sports i agree for 20 something years every single story has been wrong everyone right there has not been a correct story at all in 20 something years so every time somebody asks me for i'm going hey i'll read about when it happens because everything's been wrong i did come out the year before and i say i talked about cronky and then about the the Rams but then I said there's another surprise

team that's starting to get a lot of um really move up the ranks and that was the Chargers but there's there's so many things that go into the politics and big business and you know I've gotten pretty involved since and I also I understand my limitations as a man I'm not smart enough to I went to P college in downtown manhattan and and i i'm you know major to mass media um i'm not smart enough to understand the politics of it the legalities of it the financials of it and even if you have an mba from harvard and you try to explain it to me my add would have me feel i do understand when somebody buys that much land and they know that if this all works out they're gonna have a giant nfl franchise that it's the

number two franchise in the league in the world's biggest sport that that's a good thing once he bought that land i was like this i just don't see how this doesn't happen then he starts promising them you know oh we'll make super bowls and we'll put the combine here in the pearl bowl and you could put the nfl network i'll build some offices for you it's done of course they're all voting for that and then the owners they get to go to the super bowl in la every three four years they love it here why wouldn't they vote for that would you not you i had said on our pearl harbor show we do this you went out to pearl that was great i actually saw that thank you yeah um and i said that cronky to change things up for the first time now he is offered to have a full equity partner in that place when it used to it was originally just i was going to lease it right now they

basically came to him and said you gotta you gotta make the charge or something yes well the chargers were the team that blew it they blew it it. They were just sitting there for 10 years. And it's like you have this guy who's already done all the legwork, spent all the money, and you're going to be full equity partner with that guy who knows how to make money? Yes. Absolutely. Come on.

And look, I'm not saying that. Because you know what's going to happen. All the Chargers fans are going to be pissed off at us for saying this. But business-wise, they need to do it. The problem with the Charger fans are going to be pissed off at us for saying this. But business wise, they need to do it. The problem with the Chargers and the Raiders moving together, you can't have two cash poor teams going to LA. LA is not a place where if you build it, they will come. Absolutely not. There's too much other

stuff going on here. You've really got to put a great product out there to make it huge. You've got to go all out. Absolutely. He's going to spend $3 million by the time this is over, but you know what? That's a good investment. $3 billion, sorry. Cronky, too. People go, well, he's's going to spend $3 million by the time this is over, but you know what? That's a good investment. $3 billion, sorry. So Kroenke, too, people go, well, he's not going to spend any money here.

He has a lot of money. He better spend money. As a businessman, he's going to know it's the only way he's going to make it. So you couldn't take the Chargers and Raiders, who don't have the same influx of cash, and put them together. You needed one team who was on the upper echelon of this league when it comes to finances, and you could have somebody else with them. You can't have two franchises that were not on the upper echelon of this league when it comes to finances, and you can have somebody else with them. You can't have two franchises that were not on the upper echelon of cash. I actually thought it should have been a bigger story

because you're talking now about, I would say out of any sport, once the stadium gets built and once the team is in and all that stuff. But it's too far in the future. Well, I'm saying three years from now, that is one of the six most valuable franchises in any sport. It will be a big story then, but right now people are like, ah, three years from now, that is one of the six most valuable franchises in any sport.

It will be a big story then. But right now, people are like, ah, three years from now. Yeah. But you're right. The Rams being here should be a bigger story. But there was so much. For me, there's so much legalities and mumbo jumbo. I'm like, hey, shit, just let me know when they're playing.

Well, the other part, though, and this is probably stuff that interests you and me me and i'm not sure how many other people but it did seem like it was a shift it was an owner shift es paint wrote a decent piece about it about uh the all the machinations of what happened and jones and all of a sudden you have these new wave new thinker owners and the old school owners like jerry richardson who's like the warden in shawshank everyone seems to be afraid of him and he just basically was like, no, no, Jerry's going to get this Carson thing done. And it's like, no, actually he's not. It's a new world order now. Jerry was with Cronkite.

They were all with Cronkite. Well, eventually he was. All those guys who were big business guys. Oh, you think Jerry Richardson was with them all along? No, Jerry Jones. Oh, no, I meant Jerry Richardson. All the big business guys were like, yeah, we're going with the big business guys. Of course.

Absolutely. How do you not see it? It's great for you. Now you're going to have potentially two football teams at LA. You're going to have football games. Why is it great for me it it's great for you now you have you're gonna have potentially two football teams at LA you're gonna have football games for me it's great for you too you live here now too I know but you I'm not training football players I'm not developing relationships and sources well actually you know what the guys we have no the guys we have they fly out we house them we have housing we have meal plans they have a car option they're like

we do the whole we have our doctors the head of surgery for Cedars-Sinai. I still think you win. I still think you're a winner. I do too. If I do a winner, it's a loser. I agree with you. All right. We have to go, but let's talk about Mike Frances' dick first.

Yes. So you interned for him? What was your job? I like how you just said it just like that. Well, I had to. I thought that was one of the great segues I've ever had. Let's talk about Mike Frances' dick first. Let's talk about his cock.

Why not? So you joked about this on a radio thing, and it became like a three-day internet story it was unbelievable but you weren't really joking which is why i became a story i he's a he's he's a healthy man he no i didn't really say it i just thought it was funny so um i was just i was you know you were gonna cause a three-day internet riot no because it's not the first time i've said it okay um and i always joke around and then you know i text going to cause a three-day internet riot? No, because it's not the first time I've said it. Okay. And I always joke around. And then, you know, I text... By the way, so if people don't know, I was doing a show and back in 19...

Oh, man, I think it was 1990. I interned at WFN. That's amazing. Back then, man, I was boxing. I was doing stand-up comedy in the city. I was bouncing for the frigging Gambino crime family. Oh, my God. It was awful

i had to check for weapons and you had to like first people for weapons and and guys used to have razor blades in their belts and they would tell you all right so put your thumb in here and i said how do you know if they have the razor blade said well you slice your finger you know i'm like can we not have another fail you know a fail safe thing and then i took a gun off a cop and both sides drew on each other and that's again I realized I'm not even Italian I'm Jewish the hell am I doing yeah I got the hell out but I was doing all these jobs but I interned at WFAN radio right when Mike and the Mad Dogs started becoming huge and it was it was a great time to be alive down there it was great and um one of my jobs I my thing is and for any person who tries to get in the business, they always say, oh, what do you do?

Number one, I'm loyal as shit. Number two, I outwork the world. Okay. And which both together will overcome any deficit I have in intelligence. And number three, I look to be different. I never say I want to be a face in the crowd. I can't. I can't catch up with what everybody else has done this business.

I've got to do it my way. And a lot of people are afraid to be different. Fuck that. Be different. Be a face in the crowd. I can't catch up with what everybody else has done in this business. I've got to do it my way. And a lot of people are afraid to be different. Fuck that. Be different. Do not be a face in the crowd. So at WFAN, when I was interning, I'm like, how could I separate myself from the other interns? So I would ask to do everything. Basically, as an intern, you went to the newsroom and you sat

there and you were treated like, you know, crap, which is great. Go get food. Absolutely, which is great. What you should do, move up the ladder. So I so i would say hey can i go to this boxing press conference you're like huh yeah sure and i would go to like a press conference i said can i work the draft i know football really well and i and i would ask him every day and finally they were like that's okay you can go so i was there at the draft it was in oh man i think it was either in the marriott marquee or madison square. It was early, early, early, early days. Giants drafted Gerard Bunch with the 30th pick.

Yeah. Right? A fullback. Shaky pick. From Michigan, right? Yeah. Who actually lives out here. He's a jujitsu guy out here now, crazy enough.

And at one point, Francesco points to me and goes, you, come on, let's go. I'm like, what? And let's go. And I'd take him to the bathroom because he had you know Three minutes in between breaks whatever and I take him to the bathroom just to make sure that he got back in time So I told people that I looked at his Schwantz and I was like wow It's really impressive because why would I not say that about a guy? I'm not gonna sit there. Yeah, did I really see his Schwantz? No people I'm sorry I didn't I've really didn't i'm not a i don't i'm not a dick watcher however i did text him the next day because it went crazy

and i texted him and i said uh hey dude i'm expecting a very quote sizable donation to my charity mvp and touchdown dreams this was recently oh yeah there's a couple weeks ago the day after yeah so with the super bowl i said i expect a sizable donation to my charity. You can't buy marketing like this. I wish I had a friend that went on national radio and said, I have a huge swan. Are you kidding me? Please, can you do it? If I show you right now, would you tell the world that I have a huge swan?

Jay, I saw it before. It was gigantic. There you go. For all the ladies listening. So he goes, he just writes back, you're crazy. And I said, yep, but a good friend. I expect a sizable donation. I said, Mike, you cannot buy marketing like this.

And then he said, I heard you had a Super Bowl party last night here in town. And I'm like, how, what kind of segue is that? So he just tried to get off the subject. But dude was hilarious. I wish he had called him and be like, Hey Jay, I heard you were talking about my humongous thing. You said it was a huge,

huge, huge. I'm not a DW. I don't stare at him, but I thought it was very funny. And then everybody kind of took it. I'm like, when people write about it,

are they being serious? Like, do they think I'm serious? Do they not think I'm serious? You know what? Fuck it. I like the guy. How many, how many diet cokes did you get him when you're interning like over under five i know i wasn't really allowed in the studio it was this was at the draft no no no you

didn't walk in there no no get that get that guy out of my studio absolutely and he and i were not good for a long time and um again because i was was- They're your buddies. But I moved up the ladder fast in this business where a lot of the old guys would just kill me and rag on me and rip on me. And he was with all of them. And for me, I'm like, shit, I don't care. You're not part of my team. So any feuds going these days or no? Nothing?

How many good ones going? Seems like you're pretty happy with life now. I'm pretty lovable these days. Yeah, you really are. I'm too worn out for these guys. You're in a good place. Yes, I'm in with life now. I'm pretty lovable these days. Yeah, you really are. I'm too worn out for these guys. You're in a good place. Yes, I'm in a good place. I'm too lovable right now.

I'm a lovable person. Anything you want to plug? Got my son's bar mitzvah coming up. Can we do that? April 2nd. Yes. Hey, in all seriousness. That wasn't what I was thinking.

In all seriousness, Chuck Liddell and Heidi, and his wife Heidi, had a wedding recently. The freaking people charged admission, and they had like a couple- Admission to a wedding? Yes. A couple like celebs, and they charged admission. They put for people to come, and they put like the pseudo celebs in like a roped off area. They freaking sold tickets to this wedding. Some rocker, dude.

I don't know. What? Yes. How awesome is that? I'm like, like you gotta be kidding like oh they sold tickets to the public for them to come to their wedding well probably the nervous thing i've ever heard that was the strangest uh end of the podcast plug i've ever heard i'll give you a plug i enjoyed it though two things one two charities if you guys can help me out go to

merging uh go to vets and players.org have a charity called mvp where i'm trying to take former uh combat veterans who are struggling and former NFL players who are struggling. I'm matching them up and I'm sending them on these empowerment retreats together to kind of walk the walk together and have a team again.

And then also Touchdown Dreams. As you know, I came in here today. Please go to my Instagram and check out. I want you guys to follow this kid, Logan Nabriga. He is my guy. I have a foundation called Touchdown Dreams. And today, Logan, he's 12 years old. Today was his final day.

He just beat leukemia for the second time in eight years. It was his final infusion. We had a little party for him earlier today, and then I'm bringing him back over to the gym. He doesn't know this, but at 4 o'clock, Gronk's going to go meet him. He's a big Boston guy. So he's going to go over there and meet him and do a bunch of stuff with him also.

So if you go to touchdowndreams.org, man, I fund everything by myself, but I can use as much help as anybody could possibly give. Can you watch out for Gronk? Just make sure he's okay. He's okay. We need him for the second week of September. Well, we have an IV bar in the gym, so he's good. We're IVing the hell out of him.

Every time he goes out, we IV him. Nice, good shape. He's taking some hits. Have you met him in person? Have you been with him? I've never met him in person, but I know he's gigantic. Dude, honestly, I don't know how anybody would ever cover him. Well, that's why they all dive at his knees.

It's ridiculous. How else are you going to tackle him? He is a frigging monster. He was open on the last play. He was open on the two-point. I think Brady had been beat up so many times in that game. He just missed it. Or he got blocked there. Who knows? monster and he was open on the last play he's doing he was open on the two point i think brady had been beat up so many times in that game he just missed it or he got blocked there who knows he's doing a uh a nickelodeon shot her kid show grok all right just tell him to stay focused he's

focused we need a fifth title him and artelis i like president tom brady needs a needs a fifth all right this is fun yeah it was fun i'll tomorrow? No, but you'll be back. You've earned a repeat invite. How about Friday? Can I come back Friday? Monday? The BS Report. Tuesday. Can I come back Tuesday?

How about Wednesday? What are you guys doing Wednesday? We might have to add you to the whole Ringer Podcast Network. I like it, brother. I like it. I think you need one. We'll be back next week on the BS Podcast. Enjoy the weekend.

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