The Bill Simmons Podcast - Finals MVP Kevin Durant (Ep. 225)

Episode Date: June 14, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons reports live from Oakland with 2017 NBA Champion and Finals MVP Kevin Durant to discuss the initial moment right after the confetti fell in Oracle (3:30), running the pick-and-roll with Curry (12:00), the shot in Game 3 (23:00), appreciating LeBron's journey (28:15), Curry's high-level play in the playoffs (33:30), Kyrie's "bag full of tricks" (34:00), Obama's congratulatory text (43:30), the Warriors free agents this offseason (49:30), building winning habits with the Warriors (58:00), the nonsense of comparing different eras (1:04:00), Rasheed Wallace's stretch five game (1:08:30), three-on-three in the Olympics (1:20:00), Iguodala's big Game 5 dunk (1:25:00), and Patrick McCaw's bright future (1:29:15). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Mally Rubin, Jason Concepcion are your hosts. Subscribe now on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. Coming up, finals MVP, Kevin Durant. But first, don't forget to go to TheRinger.com and read all the great stuff we wrote about the NBA Finals. We were on fire. Kevin O'Connor, Danny Chow, Jonathan Charks, a whole bunch of people, Shea Serrano.

Everyone was all hands on deck. Go read that stuff. Finals MVP, Kevin Durant, coming up right now. Night after the finals, I'm here with finals MVP Kevin Durant, who has not slept. Is that true? Yep, that's true. When was the last time you had sleep?

In between games one and two. You haven't slept since in between games one and two? I haven't had a good night's sleep since then. Because of nerves? Just like, yeah, anxiety. one and two i haven't had a good night's sleep since then because of nerves just like yeah anxiety just anxiety you were playing great i know but i just was so i just wanted to know what's gonna happen the next game how they were going just how i was gonna play i was just so anxious to play my thoughts were going everywhere i couldn't really sleep. All right, let's hit game five first.

Did you – I was sitting pretty close, and you were walking toward where I was sitting near the end, and you just stopped, and you, like, put your hands on your knees. There was, like, a minute to go in the game. And it looked like either you were super tired or you got emotional or something, and Draymond had to come over and, like – I mean, Curry was dribbling like basketball was going on it was like you something happened what happened I mean at that point we were we had the game in hand and I was just like wow the crowd was so everybody was so

loud in there it was just like so much happening at once knowing that you're about to win the championship um playing so well and then the crowd on top of that get to cheer you on as you're becoming a champion. And so many people were happy for you. It was just emotional. They had to tell me to finish playing. Are you getting choked up? Not choked up.

It was just one of those moments. It's overwhelming. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I can't really describe it. It feels like when so much is going and just you get lost a little bit so i didn't handle that so well because i should have kept playing but it was amazing the only thing that i was missing was a sideline reporter asking kevin what does this moment mean yeah i was waiting on

that i didn't i probably i probably didn't know how to answer that question. All right. So you dreamt about it. So then it actually happens. Was it different than the dream? Was it the same as the dream? What was different about it? Just the whole moment of win? Everything. From the moment you knew you were going to win all the way through,

what was your biggest surprise? Just how fast it all happened. As soon as the buzzer went off, it felt like everybody was on the court. Yeah. And I didn't even know who to go find. I didn't know where my mom was. I was looking for my brother. I was looking for Rich.

I was just looking for Chuck, everybody. And then out of nowhere, everybody just appeared. I was just like, man, this is crazy. It just feels just like a rush. You know, when you get up into the roller coaster and you know you're about to have a free fall, you're going to feel something crazy. Yeah. Like exactly how it is.

It's like a quick thrill. I mean, it's got like 40 different things happening in five minutes. And then near the end, there's Bill Russell yeah it's like greatest winner of all time he's like here here's a trophy for you yeah it's like an avalanche of like happy moments you know what i'm saying you see you look over you see steph embracing his family you see draymond embracing his mom his mom come out of nowhere give me a big hug it's like such a big family coach Kerr's wife is there his kid like it's just so many people having just such happy moments it just all made me smile and then I like I said out of nowhere you see Bill Russell walking up on on the podium I'm like

that's a legend like what'd he say to you congrats uh like, oh, you're a pretty good player, huh? I was like, you say so. But I'm saying just to have, just to see that on TV and finally experience it for myself, it was everything I thought it would be. Did you think that was the best you've ever played, those five games? Yeah, I think so that's that's probably the first time i can honestly say that you know because you put together good games individually but to put together good games individually and achieve team success is like it's like nirvana it's like that's what you always want as a

basketball player you want to do play well and you also want your team to win you know i'm saying i think for me i wanted to play well and win i think me playing well wasn't higher on the totem pole than the team winning you know i'm saying so i was able to just worry about just trying to win and my spirits were in the right place. And it felt like the ball in the basket was just getting wider and wider for me. I had a nice touch. I felt like I had a nice touch with all my shots. But just because I was in the right mindset of just locking in on defense,

trying to do the small stuff first. I think when you were on my HBO show and I said how well you played on both ends in the Oklahoma City Golden State series, and you bristled. You were like, I've been doing that my whole career. Because you always feel like your defense, people don't appreciate it. I thought your defense, I thought that was pretty much the best I've seen you play two-way in that series you have to agree with that uh this

that was chuck chuck had a cameo uh this series or yeah because you had to i mean you were basically playing center for some of some of the games games, and you had to worry about rim protection in a way that I don't feel like you've, not since like Texas. Yeah, I mean, we play so small. I'm on at the five, I'm at the four. So I have to guard. When I'm not guarding LeBron, I was guarding Kevin Love. Right.

You know, and Kyrie, some possessions. So I didn't have a break. I had to be on alert with all of those guys. Kyle Corbin, when he came into the game, J.R. Smith. Really the guys you can kind of play off of, but they're still dynamic and cutting. Offensive rebounding is like Shumpert and Richard Jefferson. You got to always be aware of them because they're going to cut.

They're going to make the winning basketball plays outside of just making baskets. And then on top of that they had shooters so it was kind of hard to lock in on helping on LeBron when he's driving but also knowing that he can whip a pass to the corner and hit a shooter so I had to be on guard for every type of movement from running around chasing Corver to Kyrie Dling 10 times in possession to get a basket or LeBron trying to bully his way to the rim. Kevin Love tried to post me up, you know what I mean, and catch me on a pump fake on a three-five.

Like, I was trying to worry about so many different ways to get a stop. That's why I was so stressful, and that's why I couldn't sleep, you know, because they had so many weapons. In game one, there was this play that everybody missed but i think you scored and then kairi had the ball and you just decided to guard him full court yeah and you took him you were just feeling it and you and you took him the whole way and you ended up throwing off the back back backboard i think but i was like man kd's kd's locked in Now he thinks he can guard Kyrie full court That's like a suicide mission

That's probably the first and last time I did that But I think throughout the season though I was picking guys up full court And I would feel that that would give our team energy It would And so I know I can't do it every possession But I tried to throw it in there

Just to You know Let them know that Every once in a while Somebody might I know I can't do it every possession, but I tried to throw it in there just to, you know, let them know that every once in a while somebody might try to make you work full court. You know what I'm saying? So they'll have another look at it. They'll have another, just a different look. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Not the same stuff. Because when you give great players the same dose, they're going to figure it out at some point. Yeah, because the people, the Warriors fans were complaining about, about like why is zaza starting every game is plus minus and i was looking at it like it seems like curd just wanted to have a bunch of different lineups so that it was never the same thing for more than six minutes yeah exactly and we knew that you know the way first of all our offense the way we move in our offense, it tires defenses out no matter what. So we knew we got coming off the bench, we had Ian Clark, Pat McCall, Andre Udala, Sean Livingston.

They're not the clear out the way, ice them all, let's go get a basket. They tire other teams out and score in the second unit when they're not supposed to, basically, because they move around. They cut. They get layups. They get easy baskets. And they play defense. So it's just overwhelming with the way we play.

And on top of that, the IQ we have on the bench as well is the reason why we're so deep. I think that it's funny because everyone's like three ball this is where basketball is going like to me i went to three of the games the the passing and the layups but that's what stuck with me more than the shooting i mean yeah you three of the greatest shooters of all time but um just the back doors it was like some 77 blazers 86 old school stuff you. Old school stuff, you know? Because we all watched Cleveland all year. Yeah.

Just watching how they played defense. They packed the paint a lot, and they were good on initial action, but after two or three passes, we found out we can get a lot of stuff on the back end because they weren't as disciplined after the first few passes as they should have been. The Celtics series was a little bit. Even in the Indiana series as well, they were getting a lot of open looks. But we passed the ball sometimes eight or nine times in a possession.

You know what I'm saying? And that tires the defenses out. It's not that we're just saying, hey, Steph, go score, because you're just way better than everybody. Or, Clay, go score. You're just way better than your opponent. Or me, just go score. But it's like, all right, we might have to ISO one play.

We might have to run a pick and roll with me and Steph one play. And then you'll have the movement at the end. When that stuff bogged down, we got the movement. And when the movement bogged down, now it makes us dangerous that we got the ISO again. When did you and Steph master how to do that high screen? What point in the season was that? Because by the finals, it was pretty much unstoppable.

I mean, we only really worked on it in the finals yeah because a lot of teams will have bigger guys on staff and they would just switch it yeah or you know they would teams would you know it'd be hard to run it because like i said they have a bigger guy on staff or they might just switch the point guard on me and load up. And so, you know, but Cleveland knew that if they switched Kyrie on me, I would, you know, I could score in the post or I was going to try to get him some fouls, you know. So they were showing on the pick and roll and I was just slipping out. And if you put two on the ball against us, like,

and you give us a free lane, it's a lie or it's a three because we got smart players. So we were just trying to milk that. I thought it was one of the smartest basketball series I've ever watched because the teams knew each other really well. Each of you had things that the other team couldn't stop. And there were certain matchups that you knew you could go to. And then it was all about, it was almost like watching a football game

where it's like at halftime, oh, we got to start running the ball up the middle, we got to stop, we got to bring the linebacker over. And basketball is not normally at that level. I mean, that's – everybody's complaining about – not everybody, but a lot of people, the super team, whether it's just going to be – it's like I thought the series was amazing. Like just as a basketball fan, I was like, this is incredible. It was.

I mean, games one and two, I mean, Cleveland, we didn't just start off just killing them. No. We had to really work for those leads we had. The first half of game one was like a game seven. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. It was back and forth. We were missing layups.

They were struggling to score. It was just a it was back and forth. They were, we were missing layups. They were, you know, they were struggling to score. Like, it was just a battle. Yeah. And then we pulled away. We were up like seven points at half on the road in game one. Then we pulled away in the third. But, like, every game, we knew they were going to come out with that point. If we, we always told ourselves, take the first punch, play well on the first punch, and after that, we're going to see where they are.

Because they always just come out super strong. So they didn't really pace themselves. So they just always wanted to blitz us early. I didn't understand that strategy. Because it seemed like LeBron was wearing down in every fourth quarter, it seemed like. It seemed like he had so much energy in the first half, and by the fourth quarter, you could see it.

He just wasn't moving the same. I don't know why they didn't flip that. I'm not asking you to criticize Cleveland. No, I mean, LeBron plays with force, and he plays downhill. So when you, as a coach, say you need to up the pace, upping the pace is him just getting downhill, getting to the rim. And that's taxing. Yeah.

Especially having a guard, too, on the other end. Right. Guard us with the way we move. So it's like, you know, you coming out the gates real, real strong, real, real fast. And at some point, you'll start to level off as far as, you know, wanting to get to the rack every time. roll fast and at some point you'll start to level off as far as you don't want to get to the rack every time or you know push the brake after a rebound and you guys love that

though if they're gonna play at that pace that's like the greatest thing ever for you i mean it was hard we we had to be almost perfect on the offensive end though because they were moving so fast and scoring so fast it's like we had to match it and guys came through and knocked down shots yeah turned out you have a pretty good team um you versus lebron there's a couple times when you guys were barking at each other yeah and i always try to read lips trying to figure out what everybody's saying he's got that mouthpiece in it's impossible what like is it coherent what's going on you guys just like swearing at each other what's happening because you guys are friends too

yeah but i'm friends with a lot of guys i mean and i don't really talk to him throughout the games like that so well he he's the one who does most of the talking yeah but it wasn't it wasn't it was more so about just about our teammates you know because our we had our teammates that got into some stuff and just trying to just play like i'm telling he was telling us like man telling me he's they just want to hoop i was like that's all we want to do too so let's just play all the extra stuff like really don't matter yeah y'all playing physical which is cool but like extra stuff let's just play like yeah you're right you seem each time you seemed amused by it that lebron was so agitated i wouldn't say

he was agitated what was he then i mean he was just like i said the stoppage in play i don't think anybody really likes that just yeah when you get into scuffles, they got to do so much reviewing and so much. David West almost turned into the Incredible Hulk. Yo, I'm telling you, man. He was fiery. He got really angry. Yeah. I was scared.

I was scared for everybody in my section. He's intense, man. He's intense. All right. So you versus LeBron after this series. Do you talk to him this summer? What happens? No, probably not.

You just hug after the game and that's it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what we're supposed to do. I don't know. I can't tell how good friends anybody is. This story came out that you guys did a song together in 2010. Yeah, that was seven years ago.

I was 21 years old. It came out. You might have dated The Bachelorette. You might not have. Oh, man. What was that story? I don't even know. Did you go on a date with her?

No, I didn't. Was it Us Weekly story? I don't even know. Did you go on a date with her? No, I didn't. Was it Us Weekly's story? That was? Yeah, it was Us Weekly. They said you went on a date. Rich saw it. Rich sees everything. He told me about that.

No, we actually would see each other probably once a week in college. We never really hung out at all. That's how I know her. Okay. How much are you aware of what's going on, like, with the narratives and the media? Like, after Game 2, Pierce said on TV, Katie's the best player in the world now. Like, do you know that stuff's going on? No.

I mean, you kind of, when you go through the media availability, you kind of, they ask you questions on that type of stuff. But, I mean, as far as what Pierce said, I heard it, but I tried not to like, take it in. Yeah.

You know, I was, I didn't want to, I didn't want that just yet. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He was obsessed. He was,

you know, he just, Rich, Rich does all the searching for you yes all the searching twitter instagram yes all of that stuff we forgot to bring rich a mic again no no we should have i forget you guys were recording on my phone all right okay good so you are you looking at you're looking at emails and texts obviously but only from only people who are smart enough to know that it's the finals maybe leave you alone yeah you're not that's the best part a lot of people gave me my space and and um respected my space around this time

my mental space yeah from family to friends they really respected it i think that goes a long way because it takes a lot mentally to go through this to try to win a championship you know i'm saying it's hard it's hard no matter how easy people may think it was for us right it's hard to win did the 16 and 0 matter to you guys or you just want to win the title it didn't matter but now as you think back on it, it would have been cool to finish it. But as long as we got the 16 wins, that's what we were worried about. It was a few games where we probably should have lost,

but we ended up sticking together at the end and finishing off the game three in Portland. Yeah. I didn't play that game, but we were down big early in that game. And also in Utah, on the road, we're down 9, 10 points. You should have lost that one. Or you could have lost that one. We could have lost that one.

You know what I'm saying? I still feel like everyone points to the Kawhi game when Kawhi got hurt. Yeah, that was probably a game we probably would have lost. I think you guys were going to win that game. Even before Kawhi got hurt yeah that was probably a game we probably would have lost i i think you guys are gonna win that game even before kawaii got hurt i was we're on the way we're on the way coming back yeah it was it was an early game and we were just you could see nine days off it was so much going on so but i mean we had some struggles you know it's a lot of utah series was a one. We were winning games, but it was just like, you know, they were switching everything.

They were. The well-coached team. Yeah, they were running their sets all the way through. They had a big shot blocker, so it was kind of hard to really get in the paint. Yeah. They were a tough team. They're going to be really good. I like Utah.

If they keep everything. Yeah, that's the thing. You know how this game goes. Yeah, I know. Isaiah Thomas followed Gordon Hayward yesterday with the little, I like you. If they keep everything. Yeah, that's the thing. You know how this game goes. Yeah, I know. Isaiah Thomas followed Gordon Hayward yesterday with the little eyes or whatever. Yeah. He started following him on Twitter.

Yeah, it's all starting. Good. The summer thing. You're not involved this time. Yeah, I'm not. Although I guess technically you could be a free agent if you wanted. Yeah. I've heard that you're staying there's word in the street

why wouldn't I word in the street is you might stay why would you leave one of the best teams anybody's ever seen yeah I think you just won a championship I would recommend against that unless you came to Boston that'd be all for it I'm good alright quick break to talk about Harry's

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There's like the calves are up six. You're playing well, you're getting your numbers, but you hadn't, I felt like you were lurking in the game. Yeah. Yeah. I was like,

he's, he's, he's waiting. He's waiting for something and then then you went off at the end and that became your signature game like you realize that's gonna be the game i think people remember and every every great player has that game you know yeah um it's just kind of cool i in the moment i was like oh it's the kD game. Here we go. Yeah. This is it. I didn't think it would go like that.

I mean, it was just, I started off strong. I played well in the first half. I think I had probably 16 points. You just missed a couple shots that seemed like they would have gotten you going. Yeah. But I was shooting a solid percentage. I was like 6 for 11. Yeah.

And I felt good in my shots. And then in that third quarter, that's when I wasn't aggressive. I only took one shot. No, it was the only time the whole playoffs where I felt like for about a minute, you guys looked not rattled, but kind of like all looking around like, okay. Yeah. Like something seemed off for a second. And the crowd was loud as shit. Yeah.

And they were going crazy. And Cavs were playing really hard. And I was like, oh. It was kind of how I thought game three was going to go. And I thought the Cavs either were going to win or come close. And then you hit the little follow in the baseline over Thompson, which was one of your old school moves. And then the three, because Tyre LeBron forgot that you were dribbling

right to your favorite spot. Yeah, I mean, it kind of all played out so perfectly. We were getting stops. We were forcing them to play one-on-one. Yeah. And they were making them shoot over the top of us. And we rebounded and got out. And Coach didn't call the timeout.

When we were down two, 45 seconds to go, we got a rebound. Yeah. We probably could have called a timeout and set up like a two for one or something so he didn't call the timeout and like you said i seen lebron just he was behind the three i just want you to know at age 47 if we're ever playing in pickup in a game with those stakes i'm not letting you shoot from that spot yeah i mean i'm stepping up three feet it might take a while because i'm old and i have a bad back and bad knees but i'm still gonna get to that spot before you do that's the sweet i know exactly where your spot is yeah i'm running there but

it's gonna be tough to stop it though lebron in lebron's defense he had played like like like 130 out of 132 minutes in the series to that point. But as soon as you went over half court, I said to the guy sitting next to me, my buddy Chris Chan, I was like, he's shooting it. He's pulling up. And then LeBron realized it

like a split second late. That was great though. And then Kyrie screwed up the two for one, which was good for you, for the team. That was perfect. That was good. They just kind of lost their composure they

ran down like 11 seconds off the clock too so yeah have enough time yeah if they defile right away they didn't have a lot of time to make it to go to back and forth that was the game that they screwed that game up that i think they had that game because jr missed the three two when they're up six they had some good shots they good's shot, I'd defend to the death. That was a good play. Good play. When he takes that, you think that's probably going in. Oh, hell yeah.

Yeah. It's a good shot. Steph got a solid contest. He did. He was making them anyway throughout the whole. Every time he got a look, it felt like it was going in. Did you guys think you were going to sweep? How confident were you?

We were confident, but we knew how hard it was going to be. We knew that they weren't going to just let us sweep them on their home floor and celebrate. No, it wasn't going to go like that. So they played an excellent basketball game as far as exploiting all of our. 49 points is insane. Yeah. And they had 86 points at the half. I was like, I've never seen that before.

Man, their crowd was loud and angry. That's an angry crowd. Is that the angriest crowd? Man, game three was crazy. I walked out. I was trying to keep my cool. I was trying to keep my head straight. I heard somebody behind the bench. She was was like i can score 30 on that team i was like oh my gosh we had this funny i was like come on man we had this guy first of all my whole section was trying

to start a cupcake chant about you we had this other guy who was just yelling at everybody but you started yelling at the refs at one point he's like shut up you skinny motherfucker really loud as he could we were like jesus i hope the calves don't lose i was worried about getting out of there and then they lost we're like let's go let's go where's the exit but yeah that was uh that is a very passionate crowd yeah and they thought it was funny because they thought every call was going against them. And meanwhile, you guys had like, at one point it was like 12 to 6 fouls. Golden State to Cleveland. And they thought every call was, it was just, it's one of those crowds.

It was good though. What'd you learn about LeBron James after five games that you didn't know? What'd you learn from that series is there a level of respect that you have that maybe you had before but deepened or is it just the same it's probably just the same i mean i had a lot of respect for him early on you know i'm saying you can respect anybody who worked as hard as you and that's a diplomatic political answer. No, I'm being serious. That had to be one thing you learned after you played him five times in 10 days.

Yeah, but I knew what he could do. But you got that respect, like I was saying. You got that respect. It's like you can appreciate his journey from before then. So I was already watching him. You know what I'm then. So I was already watching him. You know what I'm saying? So I was already building my respect from, you know, since day one. So it wasn't that I learned anything new because that's all I watched was him.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I already knew everything I was supposed to know. How is he different from 2012? What's different about his game? Just mentally, his game has changed because he found out he can do whatever he wants out there. He can score if he wants to. He can get everybody involved.

He can create lanes. He can create mismatches. You know what I'm saying? So he realized that he's just playing a chess game out there. That's what all the really, really great players do. And I've seen it throughout the series. You know what I'm saying?

You try to match that. Try to beat a move for move strategically throughout the series. And you got to your mind has to always be working. You know what I'm saying? You can't get distracted. And you know, you gotta, your mind has to always be working. You know what I'm saying? You can't get distracted.

And that's what the great players make you do. He's one of those. Did you feel, was there a point in game five when you felt like you saw defeat in their eyes? Yeah, I felt like, you know, towards the, when we went up big in the second quarter, I felt like, you know, they were letting it slip away. They said they were letting it slip away.

And then they hit some timely threes. So if they wouldn't hit those threes, like J.R. Smith, those two threes he hit. Yeah. Then I felt like we went into halftime with a clear hold on to the game. But they got some hope because of those two threes. And that's what you need, like somebody like J.R. Smith for you. You just inject him in the game, and he injects energy into the rest of the team.

He's like that guy playing pickup, the crazy guy that just starts hitting shots, and you're like, Jesus, guard him. Then he hits another crazy one. Exactly. Who's got him? That's exactly how I looked at the whole series too, like a pickup game. Yeah whole series too like a pickup game

yeah like it felt like a pickup game the type of players that you would play pickup with like it felt like they were all on the court like you get the big strong fast bully who just run to the rim and like the brown james you get the dude that's going to dribble the whole possession and look sweet while doing it then k Kyrie Irving. Then you get the big white guy who can rebound and shoot threes. Kevin Love. Thompson, just a banger rebounder. It feels like

it was a team created at 24 Hour Fitness like the perfect team. That's how I was looking at it. It's like, alright, let me simplify this real quick what is that corvus the white guy who comes in just starts making shots yes like let me get my dream scenario we all know about the drone yes oh yeah

dante what was he was he just yelling the whole series yeah he was just trying to get it upset people upset trying to give them some energy. I understand. He came in in garbage time one of the first two games, and Kerr forgot to take Curry out. Oh, yeah. And then Dante just threw Curry to the floor. This would have been the biggest coaching disaster of all time.

He knew what he was doing. Dante knew what he was doing. Oh, yeah. Well, that's why he's on the team yeah um all right so you win you go back you hug everybody in the locker room champagne yeah first time champagne's been sprayed on you like in a winning situation yes because i saw one clip you you forgot to put the goggles on and you got assaulted. Yes.

It was a rookie champagne mistake. Oh, yeah, obviously. Champagne hurts. Yeah, my first time. What am I going to be spraying champagne for besides winning a championship? So, yeah, it's my first time. I never did it before, and it was exciting. It was a rush that I never felt before, obviously.

So I just tried to be in the moment, man. So you do interviews before or after the champagne? Afterwards. So I was drenched in champagne. It was so cold. I was shaking. It was, I didn't expect that. And you're holding the trophy the whole time?

Holding the trophy, yeah. But just making your rounds and so many people just congratulating you you know you just appreciate the support man really that's when you really thank the people who you know hope and pray that you did well you know i'm saying yeah you can appreciate them was it weird at all winning the finals mvp with with curry standing right there no it didn't seem like it was weird. No, it wasn't at all. And I feel like Steph was my biggest fan.

Yeah. And I was so happy the way he played. He was great. Yeah, he was. He was back to being Steph. He looked great. Yeah. He looked like one of the best players to ever touch the floor.

You know what I'm saying? And to have that type of input in the finals, he was almost at a triple-double. His rebounding was the big surprise in the finals. He was in there. We talked about that. In order for us to win, we had to rebound with him. Yeah.

Because they're a beast on the board. So he was coming in, getting rebounds and pushing the break and being patient in the pick and roll, turnovers down, taking good shots. I don't know shots step first kairi i don't know if there's ever been a better matchup of offensive point guards unless you count isaiah versus magic which i guess you'd have to but magic to me i don't even know he to me he has no position he was six nine yeah that was like yeah they couldn't really that was a clear mismatch but kairi and because kairi hit i want you to know kairi hit like 13 of the greatest shots i've ever Yeah, they couldn't really. That was a clear mismatch. But Kyrie and.

Because Kyrie hit. I want you to know Kyrie hit like 13 of the greatest shots I've ever seen in my life in that series. Oh my goodness, man. He hit the one yesterday when. You might have even been one of the two guys in front of him. And he just drove at them. And then just did a bunch of things and threw the ball over his head and it went in. And it was like, what the hell was that?

I think he meant to do that. I was telling some of my friends, like after game what's the game two i was like kairi just makes you happy he makes you happy when you watch him play yeah you just smile when you watch him play because it's like for somebody to be that skill you know he had to work tirelessly at you know i'm saying the stuff he has in his package is next level stuff that like you can try to teach your kids to do it but you'll never be able to do it he i never i never seen anybody block his layer and he's six and he's six two i've never seen once one person pin his layup on a glass not one because he like the spin he got on it and he don't have to look at it it's

like i got so much respect for him because i know how much work you put in to be that good. I never seen nobody like him. He's like one of those cars that you can get the car that has everything. Yeah, that's like his offensive game. His package is like he's got like the best tires and he's got like no pause. Yeah, his his his his game is the bag his bag is full his package wow that was crazy but you get what i'm saying his bag his bag is full of tricks his layout package is crazy i think i said uh i was doing a podcast with my buddy house last week and i was saying

i think he's the best offensive inside out point guard i've ever seen i don't know if he's the best all-around offensive point guard because that's a different argument i'm just saying like he has more ways to score than any point guard i've ever seen he can score anywhere from 28 feet in he makes terrible threes that go in routinely i'm one with you he scores on two seven-footers when he wants. He's just unbelievable. Pull up Jays. He should just pull up so quick.

But he's a much better shooter than Iverson. Way better shooter. And he's taller. He's a good 6'2", 6'2.5". But I meant make him too. I mean, he's making 40 from three he's making 29 footers with the guys hitting his face and yeah kairi is better than ai to me i think i agree i agree we certainly percentage wise backs it up i mean i'm going from like skill for skill like his handle is better

he could I know somebody might tap me on the shoulder better edit this out yeah we might have to cut that out I don't want no problems

with that it's the best other there we're gonna dub your voice over he's the other the other he's the best yeah I might have to

cut that one I don't want that to get out. Listen, man, it's evolution. This is what I'm just saying. I feel like Kyrie got more skill. Kyrie, you know, Steph versus Kyrie is a great argument because what's Rich doing? He's making cereal. All right.

Because Steph, the spacing he creates and the way he doesn't need the ball all the time and he can still have a huge impact whereas kairi's more of the more traditional one-on-one guy yeah um it's a good argument and they i really think they bring the best out of each other too that was one of the things that i felt got lost in the narrative about this series and how people were enjoying it was like it's not just that these are like you know a bunch of the best guys in the narrative about the series and how people were enjoying it was like it's not just that these are like you know a bunch of the best guys in the league it was like you guys are actually bringing the best out of each other you know like they're in just about every game the best two guys on each team were playing well you know that doesn't happen yeah that happens maybe one or two games in a series but it doesn't happen every game like think about the games you had with Westbrook in the playoffs where,

you know, maybe two guys, two, one, two times a series, both of you played well in the same game. It's just not common. So I don't know.

I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. I wish there was more. Part of me was hoping you were going to lose last night. So we get another game. I did not want to go back to Cleveland and deal with that again. that'd have been sick oh my god that would have been tough i'm not sure you would have gotten any calls either oh man it would have been a game seven for sure you know the celtics were rooting for a long series because every game was more money to the

salary cap do you know that i didn't so it's like every game is like 22 million bucks and the players get half so it's like 11 million which goes into the pool so you split it up oh yeah okay yeah so it's like 375 000 per team each time it goes past four so it's like they said that's why they shot 22 free throws because yeah warriors need to make 22 million right yeah the warriors are fine yeah the warriors are fine with money i don't think they did it wait i got sidetracked because we were talking about the locker room the champagne then i asked you about the finals mvp and i got sidetracked all right so the champagne champagne happens Then you do the interviews. You do the rounds.

Yeah. Then what happens? Tell me, what are the next five hours? Five? What are the next 25 hours? Well, after that, after I took my pictures and, you know, you take the pictures with the trophies. Right.

Went back, showered up, hopped in the car. You know what I'm saying? I had my friends and family here at my house. Afterwards, we just hung out for a while and just talked and chilled and ate. Club? Then you went to the celebration party? No, I didn't go. I didn't go to the celebration party. So didn't go I didn't go to celebration party so that was it that was it for me I just chill with my family and friends in here

after the game and we was up until like five o'clock six o'clock we were just talking and just reminiscing, just eating, just kicking it. But then you said you didn't sleep. Yeah. Cause we were up so late and I didn't get out of the arena till midnight. So I was like, I was already, I'm still in game mode right now.

I can't believe I got to go to practice. I couldn't go to practice. Yeah. You got to like almost shut it off. Like a switch. So it's kind of like, I don't even, I don't even believe we won a championship right now. It's just like we're still working for it.

It's weird that you played the best you've ever played and now you can't play anymore. You should just go to the YMCA and just torch some random dudes. Go to Oakland YMCA. I'm in a good groove right now. My shot feels good. Let's go. Let's go, T Right now My shot feels My shot feels good Like Let's go Let's go Tate As long as my shot feels good

Like I got a nice touch And I'm hitting the bottom Of the net Like I was like Why are we stopping Yeah That's just who I just need to get these

I bet there's not the Olympics Or something coming Let's get these makes out You know what I'm saying I got to put them It's like a rapper He got too many raps In his mind

He got to get them He got to get them out On the wax I had to get these J's out Man so It's good a rapper. He got too many raps in his mind. He got to get them out on the wax. I had to get these J's out, man. So it's a good feeling to be in rhythm like that. But I wish we was playing more. Quick break to talk about DraftKings. We may not have Tiger Woods anymore,

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um katie's like my defense has always been good mr former president and uh told me to enjoy it you know have some fun you know typical stuff but don't go to the white house i wasn't expecting that who else this is good this is a fun game obama that's gonna be tough to top yeah that's why no rihanna text no what why does she like the calf so much where did that come from she loves lebron okay she's been a big lebron fan for a long time everywhere you went she's just a big fan i don't even think she really watches does that mean does that mean she's a front runner because lebron's

no she's just the best player in the world for 10 years that's what um you know that's what basketball is about like attaching yourself to players when you're at these games can you do you look around to see where people are sitting and see who you recognize because at the finals there were a lot of people yeah if it didn't catch my eye i wasn't looking i mean i would glance around i wasn't in just looking like seeing who was there like i was because you knew where rihanna was in game one yeah because she was standing up she's almost yelling she's yelling on a game and i didn't know she was there until i looked over and i

heard somebody screaming all out her and a friend i was like yeah they they ain't here tonight they always used to say kobe used to know where everybody was they would give him the list of the people in the seats they were in really and he would go and he would either make eye contact with the people

or at halftime walk over like it was like a big thing for him the performance that's a part of it especially in LA but here

it's like you don't get those type of people like you get like you may look over and see a CEO of Twitter. Yeah, you might see a CEO. The Salesforce CEO. Yeah, or Eddie Q from Apple.

Just center court. So Eddie Q, he's a real Warriors fan. Yeah. He was gone when they sucked. He's about every game. Yeah. Was it every game this year? Yeah, he's legit.

He's at every game this year. I went to a game with him when the Warriors were terrible yeah he's and he was still wearing the dress like he i think some of the people are a little bandwagoning but he's not one of them no no no yeah i could tell he was so happy i gotta say the crowd was really good i've been to i've been lucky enough i figured it out yesterday that was the ninth time i've seen a team close out the championship and the crowd the crowd was good it was definitely you know you could feel it there was a real energy it was and i thought they affected the game oh they did you know they were so happy for us man you can first basket they were loud you know i'm saying and from then they just rode with us you know when

we got down eight they just kept cheering you know i'm saying and they just made the whole experience even better you know obviously we would love to win on the road but then they come home and do it winning home is better that's bullshit oh man yeah it's better to win you're more comfortable at home like yeah it's also where your house is. Yeah, I can sleep in my bed as a champion. I don't have to get up and pack my bag and hop on a plane. I would love to win in Cleveland just to win and complete what we were 16-0. That would have been cool, but it feels good to win at home. Did you believe Draymond

when he said it was worth it that they lost last year because then you got to be on the team this year it seemed like

semi-legitimate it all works itself out you know I'm sure in that moment last year you would have

loved to win the championship but you know thinking about it now it's just like well it might not

have been as bad you know we was able to you know put together a really good team that works well together and win the championship in the first year i got a news flash so they would have won last year if they were healthy i think so yeah i mean it came down to the final minute they had no dream on in game five they probably would have closed it out in game five anyway but then no bogut how long you guys hurt the whole series talking about this what like talking about this? What? Like this same

Same argument We've been talking about For the whole year Which one? They were the one If Draymond Winning got suspended No I'm just saying Curry was hurt like

I think last year Was pretty fluky though Like We've been talking about The same stuff What's the new champion now? Yeah New team

But everybody's saying It was because Durant came But I asked Like Curry was healthy too That also helped There were other other factors it came together

like it came together yeah Curry was definitely there's no question he was hurt last year I think they did a good job of covering it up

but he was banged up now I mean he was banged up from what I heard he was banged up but he didn't make that excuse I mean he still felt like

he could've played great could've played better than what he did. Who was the drunkest teammate last night? Who was the one who you're like, we got to get the champagne away from him? Draymond. McAdoo was pretty drunk. Matt the Rev?

McAdoo. Love it. Oh, Tate's excited. Tate loves McAdoo. Yeah. Everybody was pretty nice d west everybody besides i hasn't had a drink in so long he was drinking d west was was he like i heard he was like almost incoherent he was he was different yeah i mean greatest speech i've

seen in a long time yeah he yeah he was out of his mind. Greatest speech I've seen in a long time. Yeah. Yeah, he was out of his mind. I haven't seen him like that before. He was so excited. It was like a kid in a candy store. You could tell that he was in a happy place. It was good to see. Well, see, that's the thing. When people are talking about the Warriors going forward

and the salary cap, the four contracts, how do you fit everyone in? This happened with the Russell Celtics, were the first team that i think did it in the 60s where once a team's winning you end up getting the day two or three of these david west guys every year and it's not champions chasing it's i mean there's a little bit of it but i mean they're guys near the end of their career want to be on a good team. It's not even about like, cause you're not guaranteed to win a championship. You see a lot of guys go,

just want to put themselves in a position of being a good environment. And the only thing about winning the championship, right. It's not about winning it. Cause you never, you never know, but just to think about all you would think about is winning the championship. That's a good feeling.

Yeah. And the West one experience that he did it with San antonio only thing he thought about was playing perfect and being a champion and we did the same thing here so who wants to worry about if this guy not getting shots or if this guy's happy or he might want to be traded or they clash and the coach don't really like like who wants to deal with that as a basketball player right like it's not fun and you that type of stuff seeps in when you're in the NBA. It's like the business seeps in into the court sometimes. And the game is so pure.

Like, it's not fun. You're not happy that way. So just thinking about a championship is what those guys are trying to do, like a D-West or Zaza. Like, they just want to be in that environment. JaVale seemed like he was like that too. Yeah. I mean, you've been a team. He seemed like he was a great teammate yes he was an unbelievable teammate he was he brought everybody together he's the reason why we're so tight like he really javel

yeah he's just his his spirit he's just open spirit he's just always in a good mood yeah you know just his own person and everybody kind of gravitate to like he was friends with everybody in a different way you know what i'm saying and you need every team needs at least one yeah he was that guy and a lot of people don't know that he adds value to your locker room you know i'm saying that's what you that's what's underrated when you plan um on a good team or a team that's trying that's thinking about a championship versus a team that has so many other distractions because now JaVale is who he is

on the bad team as a distraction. Now with us, it's the asset because he's bringing us all together. You know who's like that for the Celtics? Gerald Green. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's always somebody you don't totally expect it would be.

Because I'm sure they just... He touches all different kinds of kinds of people they just embrace them they didn't try to change them they just let him be who he is and he just he's always had a good spirit just like javel and it just illuminates it seems like and i know there is a reason for it because steve kerr who i've known for a long time when i wrote my basketball book i actually he's in the pivotal chapter about how to figure out who the who the best team of all time was um we're talking about like what's more dangerous i call it the fu edge like the team that's trying to make up like a revenge season almost versus a team that just won and now is trying to protect what they won the next season because he played he was in both situations right yeah the 96 bulls they lose to orlando

mj's coming back from baseball then he spends the whole summer he's in crazy shape they go 72 and 10 they win this is the fu season right then the next year they win again they went 69 but that was like you know they're the champs they're invincible and that's like a different kind of edge because you've done it you've been there you know you're the best so i asked him like what's better which edge is better he thought it was the fu edge but like slightly but he said the ceiling of the second team the the team that had already won just for like one night is better because of the confidence yeah so i thought that was interesting so you'll get to experience that next year yeah i'm looking forward to there's that shred of small

tiny doubt like that you know you have one of your key guys hasn't won it yet do i have it but now that everybody's won yeah it's just like you can relax knowing like the formula works yeah yeah you know i'm saying like individually like mentally like you know what you have to bring in order for you to be a champion it's honestly like having a kid the first time you have a kid you're just terrified the whole time right rich yes Rich, sorry to wake you up, Rich. No, that first time when the buzzers are going off, what's that? Is there something wrong?

And then the second time, you just know. It's like, all right, we're going to go here. We show up and bang. The other thing Steve was really passionate about, because he was on those Bulls teams and the Spurs teams, was just the selflessness yeah and how you know one of the themes of my book was the secret of basketball is it's not about basketball it's about the other stuff guys and that it seemed like your team had that that's why i thought the finals mvp moment was so interesting curry really didn't seem like he cared that you won no he didn't didn't. That's a good thing, though.

Everybody was excited for me. And if it was Steph, we would all have been excited for him. Just like we were excited that he balled out this series. Let's put it on eBay and see what happens. Put what on eBay? The Finals Every Feature. Not a chance. Where are you going to put it?

I'm going to give it to my godfather, probably. It's in the cloud already for me. It's there already. So I'm going to give it to my godfather probably. It's in the cloud already for me. It's there already. So I'm going to get a hard copy of the guy who taught me how to play the game. So where's he going to put it? Probably in his basement somewhere. No, he ain't going to. No.

He got all my... He might have an MVP trophy. Ricky? Yeah, he has something that was significant. So he got a little wall of fame. He probably put it on. That's the thing is you guys, they try so hard to win. And then when they win, they give the stuff to,

like some people don't even know where their rings are. Like they're in a safe deposit box it's just it's just a it's just achieving it it's yeah it's the symbol of it the gifts and stuff is a cherry on top yeah it's just like the just knowing that you did it that's even that's even sweeter i mean then you get the rewards with the rings and the banners and the t-shirts and all this extra stuff but just knowing that you did it was even better um okay see people happy for you think or no i'm not even worried about that who care i mean i don't know i can't talk for them my mind's not even there

yeah it didn't feel like it yesterday it seems like a long time ago now to me it is i mean we're gonna be talking about this next year too i don't think so i hope not i mean because it's gonna be boring after i hope it's boring after a while to you guys because no that next year's angle is going to be kevin durant ruin the nba and you guys created a super team well it's all your fault it's not fun anymore how many excuses you you going to make? I'm not saying that's my angle. Not you. Not you. I'm just saying.

Day one. The NBA's not fun anymore. I mean, it went from, well, not enough basketball. It's not going to work. I think I might have said that. They don't have a bench. They small up. They don't have any rebounding.

They don't have any shot blocking. They gave away two of their greatest defensive centers and then that went into well they're supposed to do that you got four all-stars I think I said that too and then that turned into

well you're still going to lose in finals in six to the Cavs you're going to lose the Cavs have a mental edge over the Warriors. I didn't agree with that one. Because I watched that Celtics series pretty carefully, obviously,

because it was my team. And we missed open shots the whole series, but the shots were there. I was like, the Warriors aren't going to miss those shots. I just felt like it was so many different excuses. And then once we proved you wrong throughout the season, as far as if we can mesh together. Don't say you. What I'm just saying.

The media. Well, whoever was making these claims. The naysayers. The naysayers. So I just felt like we just kept grinding. You know what I'm saying? We didn't let that stuff affect us, and we tried really hard every day to get better because we struggled as far as trying to make it look so good and make it work so smooth.

It took us some time. Defense wasn't good to start the season. Offense was still working. struggle as far as like trying to make it look so good and make it work so smooth you know it took us some time defense wasn't good to start the season offense was still working you had to break some hat i didn't realize i read that one article that you had to almost yeah get used to moving and not just kind of standing there on plays yeah we had to we man we had to build some habits it wasn't like coaches like roll the balls out and like all right just go score like y'all they got the best talent in the league just go score like we didn't do that we work well together that's why JaVale McGee was able to play well because we utilize his strengths instead of only putting them out there and putting them in bad positions that's like the whole team coach uses your strengths instead of how you can help the team rather than just throwing you out

there i was suspicious i thought history said that it was going to be really hard to win the title with adding somebody who's as good as you are to an established team the history of it was that usually the first year the team doesn't win that it takes a year to get a 2011 heat being a great example takes a year everybody gets a little heat being a great example. It takes a year. Everybody gets a little comfortable with each other. And as you know, like in these big games, you know,

if the chemistry and the cohesion is in there, it can just fall apart like in game three in Cleveland. But for whatever reason, you guys, I don't know, but by it seemed like April, it seemed like it was just humming. Yeah.

I was, I said on my pod before the playoffs that I thought 16-0 was in play. And I was saying how, what did I say, Tate? Because I wanted to bet on it. And I couldn't find it as a bet. And I was like, I think this should be a bet. It didn't exist. Yeah, it didn't exist. I was like, it was conceivable that you could go 16-0.

But then as it actually was happening, I was like, I can't believe they might go 16-0. I mean, that would have been, I think, an all-timer achievement. Man, that would have been amazing. It's just the deck stacked against it. It just shouldn't happen. There should be one game where shots don't go in or like what ended up happening.

Yeah. The other team had 24 threes and you didn't get a call for two quarters yeah i mean but when you're 15 to know and like we're playing well at that point like is it and you're up 3-0 it's like you feel like you can just relax just a little bit yeah and that's what we did and i'm sure like 96 bulls at 15 to know they would have tried to win that game, and they probably would have relaxed just a little bit after being up. I feel like a lot of teams.

They were 3-0 against Seattle, remember? Yeah, and they lost 2-0. So it's not like they're doing it on purpose. It's just natural to just be like, all right, we have 3-0 now. We could play chess with them a little bit, and sometimes they just hit you in the mouth. That happens with a lot of great teams. And that's what they do.

Yeah, I didn't realize. I sat close for two of the games. I didn't realize how physical he is when he has the ball. It's really good. The forearms and the pushes and the little – he does a little move where he touches your hip. Yeah. Kind of pushes you out of balance with your hip.

He grabs your arm a lot. He's got every trick. Yeah, he got little tricks. He's strong. You have, your best trick is when like somebody like Jefferson's just like trying to basically manhandle you as you're going to get open. You just put your hands up. Yeah.

And it's like they can't do it because it's so clear that they're fouling you if your hands are like this. So you put your hands over your head. It's a good trick. Jefferson, I couldn't even run to my spot. He was mauling you. I was like, yo, I'm just trying to run to my spot. I'm not even in the play.

Yeah, the refs, it seemed like they decided before the series that he was going to be allowed to do that. It seems like it was 40 fouls. Yeah, man. He was fouling a lot, but he was physical. He was physical. I can't say he was fouling because I've been played like that before.

Yeah. And he was physical. But when I caught the ball, he was so physical that I had him on his heels and I was just catching it going to the room. So I knew that he was just all his weight was on this, you know, forward. So when I caught the ball, you know, he was face guard. I mean, you just thought it was here. You know, the ball was coming. I was just catching it going. Yeah. You know, so I just try to use that against him it seems like the biggest misconception people have about why you went there is how much of it was a basketball decision not to go to win the title which is obviously one of your goals but it was a stylistic decision you just wanted to

play that style yeah i did it's as simple as that i wanted to play in that style i wanted to play that style. Yeah, I did. It's as simple as that. I wanted to play in that style. I wanted to see how I felt to play one-on-one. If I get in the post or if I'm in transition and I got one guy in front of me, I wanted to see how I felt to beat one guy. I was seeing a lot of other stars playing in one-on-one. I wanted to see one guy. I mean, I was seeing a lot of other stars playing one-on-one. Yeah. You know, I wanted to see how that felt. And I haven't had that feeling in a long time.

You know, I was playing with a lot of double teams, a lot of loading up. A lot of guys just standing in one spot. Yeah. And it's like, all right, it's your turn now to go one-on-three. It's not even about that. I mean, we did that a lot in the playoffs, to be honest. We played a lot of iso ball. But I'm just saying.

We also got a lot of layups. We did that a lot in the playoffs, to be honest. We played a lot of iso ball, but I'm just saying. We also got a lot of layups. We did that a lot in the finals, but we mixed it up. Yeah. But we did a lot. But it's not that. I'm just saying it's the point where you, because when you're playing with traditional bigs as well, it takes up a little bit of space. Right.

And then also, you know, we had a lot of athletes, a lot of guys not known as shooters. They hit shots, but like you wouldn't mind them shooting threes. So it was like I was always a man and a half was guarding me. So I just wanted to see how it felt. The 2017 Warriors basically broke my brain because I always felt like I could compare any team to any team starting with, like, the mid-70s. Yeah. And and now like i saw scotty pippen last week he was i was hanging out the nba entertainment people and they brought him in to talk

and somebody asked him like what would you do against iran how would you guard him like the typical stuff he gets and i'm thinking like if scotty Pippen from 1992 showed up right now, he would spend the whole summer shooting threes. He would shoot 750 corner threes every day, right? For four months until he got good at them. And his entire game would be different. So it's like, why the fuck am I even bothering comparing the 2017 where it's the 96 bowls?

Because if Scottie Pippen was here now, he would completely change how he played. Yeah. And I think that's just what basketball is now. I think you go back in the history and it's like McHale would shoot threes. Yep. Bird would take 10 threes a game. Magic would work on his three-point shot constantly. Yeah.

It would just be a different sport. That's why you can't compare errors, man.'t think you can the game just evolves like they went they made the three-point line because the game evolved right it wasn't there first so and it took them like 10 years to even figure out how to use it that's what i'm saying nobody used it yeah because as they not you know it took us some time to get used to that so the game is evolving it's all right that people want to play faster but like to say like we wouldn't beat this team or that team like first of all we'll never ever have a chance to play and on top of that like the rules are different the style of play is different like if you couldn't shoot you couldn't be on the court against us we're gonna use that against you if you were a slow defender if you're a slow defender we're going to pick on you that's what our goal

was throughout the whole playoffs like we're going we're going to make them switch the lineup because we want to just pick on their worst defender if it's one of their better players then that messes up their whole game plan yeah you you guys were the best i've seen at taking whatever person probably shouldn't be out there defending you and just torturing that person. Yeah, that's what I— Until they came out of the game. That's what our game plan was. Yeah.

Go after the weakest one, but only do it within the offense. So if Stephon to pick and roll, we still have a movement on the backside to occupy the rest of the guys so he can't have no help. So we're kind of exposing him because you can hide a lot of guys in the league now. So if you got a bad defender, we still got Klay and Draymond in a pin down. The ball can go to Klay. He have a wide open three,

but you got to defend Steph Curry playing one-on-one against your worst defender. Right. I would look at like the 86 Celtics. I just don't think Parrish can play in the series. Right. I would look at the 86 Celtics. I just don't think Parrish can play in the series. Unless they just were like, we're going to score.

I mean, we have troubles. We have problems. We have problems with teams that are bigger. I don't think they could have played Bird, Parrish, and McHale against you guys. I can't say the Chief wouldn't have played. He probably would have played against us. Maybe like 20 minutes.

This is like one of the best 50-pointers of all time. We played so fast at some point. And we played with a big, too. So he'd been in there with Zaza. But if we made adjustments and wanted to go small, they had to make a decision. But the thing is, if you put the Chief in now, maybe the Chief shooting threes, though.

I know for sure Mikael. I don't know about mikhail definitely mikhail near the end of his career started shooting him yeah the team that i think would have been like hypothetically the most fun series i think would have been the bad boy pistons because they would have had all different dudes to throw you isaiah could have gone to curry rodman would have not only been defending you, but trying to start fights with you and push you into the basket sport. Lambert would have gotten in five fights. I think you underestimate our mental toughness as well. I underestimate it?

A lot of people do when you're comparing us to these teams because we got the mental toughness. It would have been a physical series. I'm just saying defensively, I think they would have had things to throw at you. Yeah. That's which one? I was talking bad boys.

The 04 Pistons would have been interesting, right? Yeah, it would have been tough. I was thinking about them too. Yeah. Tough matchup because they got Chauncey. They got Tayshaun Agarmi. They got Rip or Clay, and they both running around. Rasheed's in threes. Rasheed. The the thing is that rashid and jaymon would have gotten then be yeah ben wallace on the boards but rashid and jaymon they would

have to cancel the series something would have happened with rashid and jaymon it would have been the big international incident which rashid was rashid man he was tough. Turnaround J was... That's a guy who was ahead of his time. Because if he's now, he's just like the ultimate stretch five who's... He's Towns. Yeah, he's Towns.

He's Towns to me. Rashid was nice too. That's not a... It's not a downgrade if you recall Carl Towns.'s a she is nice that would have been a good series uh it was a good game both teams play hard both teams play hard my man both teams play hard god bless and good night quick break to talk about quip the new company that's refreshing the way people brush their teeth having good oral health impacts your overall health and yet most of us don't brush our teeth properly take people brush their teeth. Having good oral health impacts your overall health,

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Go to getquip.com slash BS for your first refill pack free with a Quip electric toothbrush. One more time. Back to the finals MVP, Kevin Durant. Have you talked to Westbrook? I have to ask. Why? I don't know.

He didn't send you a text? No. Kobe? No. Not a lot of people show your team in general on social media. Kobe? No. Not a lot of people show your team in general while on social media. Who? Not a lot of people do.

See, Bridge Monitor does all this stuff. I watch that shit so closely. We're the bad boys of the... The supervillains. The supervillains. Yeah, I mean, we're not expecting no love from nobody. So what happens now? What do you add to your game?

I know you got something cooking. Yeah, I just probably want to work on my body even more this summer. Try to get more flexible. More flexible? Like what? Like yoga? I don't know. Get more flexible so I can shoot more off balance shots and they

look like layups what about a celebrity girlfriend getting the us weekly no yeah that might have been that didn't sound like that was a real relationship though celebrity girlfriend yeah actress got a couple red carpets. No, that's not what I'm saying. You can go on the red carpet. Yeah, but I don't... Just go with Rich. No, I don't need him. He can get on the red carpet.

Rich, what are your plans for KD now? You executed year one of your vision successfully. India. Yeah, we're going to India. Yeah, that's it. Going to India? What's happening in India? This is planned anyway.

Open a basketball academy for the NBA. Okay. And building some courts out there. So that should be fun you want to talk about NBA draft really quick sure are you following

do you have opinions no I haven't followed you haven't followed anything no it's nine days away right it's close I know the players but I don't

I don't even know like Celts are going to take faults they are Lakers seem like they're leaning toward Josh Jackson in Kansas

they're taking wow what's in it for them the smoke screen with the Lonzo pick I don't know no just like smoke screen

just like you know as a fan base you want a little bit of like you know you want a little bit of like mystique

to your pick and feel like the organization went through everything I think they want a lot of people okay because if i would you bet on that that would be your bet yeah i bet yeah but i mean i don't know it but i bet on it me too i'm like 50 50. i just think the whole thing like they you know you hear like they didn't love his first workout they're bringing in for a second workout like that dude lavar ball if he's screaming my son's gonna be a laker and he has no clue of that and it does not happen i mean this guy is it'd be one of the great dream green room moments i mean the greatest if he he'll like have a despair me from flipping chairs

how uncomfortable that moment will be I hope not yes I do not want to see you evolve all of these you're not going to snap on Magic he's going to lose that battle who the hell are you

get out of here Magic's like I'm a billionaire yeah get out of here I'm a billionaire get out of here so here's my counter just because I spent the year with Magic watching basketball games with him

he loves competitive guys that's pretty dope I spent a year with Magic and he could watch 8 games at once but he loved competitive and he would text on this blackberry with his giant hands And he could watch eight games at once. But he loved competitive. And won like a billion dollar enterprise. And he would text on this Blackberry with his giant hands.

And he'd somehow just had this Blackberry and just send him texts while he's watching all these games. But he loved competitive dudes. And I know he went to the Lonzo game versus Fox. And Fox really gave it to Lonzo in that game. And that's the one thing I'm wondering, because knowing how magic, what he likes. What about the game where he hit the game winner? Right. His Oregon.

Yeah, that was a good one. What about the time his brother had 92 points? That was rigged. Stop hating on the young. Yeah. Kid's 15. Come on, Rich. 92?

That's not rigged. He got buckets. What was the defining KD game before game three? Was it the record game? No. Don't disrespect. No. I'm asking.

What's the game that got mentioned to you first? That's an interesting question. I would say the record game got the most attention you've ever gotten for a game. That was like three weeks of blog posts. Game six. Game six what? Oh, 2012. Yeah.

Come on, man. I'm trying to remember what happened in game six, San Antonio. Down 18 at the half. Ended up coming back and winning. Had 35, 15, 5. Go to the finals for the first time. 23 years old. All of us.

22, 23, going to the finals. The record shot was pretty great. That was pretty sick. That was, but thank you. Everybody ran out of the court. I went off twice and i remember the world champion game what was it in turkey champions that was another good one that was the first time i remember i think i even wrote something after that game i was like this is

he's hitting all the checkpoints you know i feel like with young guys they gotta hit the little yeah i feel the same way you know like jay with young guys they gotta hit the little yeah i feel the same way you know like jaylen brown i was really watching carefully in the playoffs because i think he has a chance i don't think he has a chance to be as good as you but um and he was quiet i do and he was quiet in the playoffs but then in the cleveland series all right first in the washington series in game seven he the crowd was into it he kind of rose up where the crowd was i was like oh okay jaylen brown hit the checkpoint you think he gonna hit the checkpoints i think he just hit in game seven, the crowd was into it, and he kind of rose up where the crowd was. I was like, oh, okay. Jalen Brown hitting a checkpoint.

You think he's going to hit the checkpoints? I think he just hit one. He's got 20 to go, but he's good. And I like that the next day after they lost to Cleveland, he was there working on his game. Really? Yeah. That tells me.

That's what I heard. You told me you were following all the Twitter accounts. That's what I'm saying. I want to let you know that's true. So you believe in my checkpoint theory? I believe in it, yeah. So what were your checkpoints then? I'm discounting the first year when PJ Carlissimo played you at

Shooting Guard for 82 games. Rookie of the year, I wanted to average 20. Yeah, okay. I couldn't average just 20 again for my second year. I had to jump up. And then I jumped up five points. I thought I was going to average like 22, but I jumped up five points. And I was like, all right, check that off, second year.

So I was borderline all-star that year. So I wanted to be just in the conversation. If I right, check that off. Second year. So I was borderline all-star that year. Yeah. So I wanted to be just in the conversation. If I wanted, that was extra. By year three, I wanted to be for sure all-star. You couldn't hold me up. Yeah. That happened.

I averaged 30. That happened. And then from there, it's just like- You were the youngest guy to do 30, right? I think so. Yeah. Then from there, just make the playoffs every year. When was the Lakers series? 2010. That was a good every year when was the lakers series 2010 that

was a good checkpoint that was the checkpoint winning two games against the champions like you threw some you got some punches in on that in that series it grinded struggled a little bit you know i'm saying just know what the playoffs about so every year you just want to be an all star play well throughout the regular season be an all all-star, all-NBA, and then go to playoffs and see what happens. MVP. MVP. Finals. Olympian.

Olympian. Yeah. MVP. Then you do the MVP. Yeah, like do the MVPs, the all-star MVP. Then all-scoring. Then, yeah. You got those goals, but it's like not your main concern

but you wouldn't mind them I went back I couldn't remember why you guys didn't win in 2014 and I went back and I watched that which I just so much was going on that year I was doing the studio show that year

and there was just a lot of good basketball and I just kind of forgot what happened it was overtime game 6 San Antonio show that year and there was just a lot of good basketball and i just kind of forgot what happened it was overtime game six yeah san antonio i forgot i was i watched it on youtube that was it was just their time yeah that was like they was hitting every shot every timely shot they could we had them man you know we hit the three to go up one point. We had made a tough layup. We go up two. Man, we hit the three to go up one. Damn.

Yeah, that was a good team. I forgot how close you were in that series. Yeah, we were close. Game seven. We lost in six. Right. But that, where was it? Six.

Yeah, it could have gone to seven. Yeah, we've been on the road game seven. We're going to launch our podcast miniseries. Yeah. Rich is going to get his own podcast no it's how about like a social a social media report you just tell us what's going on rich talk rich talk i just tell kevin all the shit people say about him this guy said this. This guy said that. Do you tell him the media narratives?

Yeah, I do. I don't know if he listens to me, but I tell him. He's definitely not listening to you right now. No, or you. He's got text. He just won the finals MVP. I'm still sorting through the 200 text I got. Three on 3 Olympics

What did you think of this idea? It's happening I like it a lot 2020 I love it Would you rather play in the Olympic team Or the 3 on 3 team? I would love to do both

Is it possible to do both? No because you have to play in all the problems I mean I guess we can find out I mean you can really make it work But I'm just saying It would be cool to play 3-on-3. Oh, that'd be sweet. The dudes

that are playing now are like scrubs. Right. Yeah, they are. I see the trials. One of my boys from back home is like a real street baller. He's not very good, but he can play at street ball level, He's not very good, but he can play at street ball level.

He's playing. They got a squad already. It's like three white dudes. I mean, they look like they're six foot two white dudes. Let me get on your squad. I have the team. No, I have the team for him. You, Rich, and Perk.

You score all. Perk just sets picks and scouts of people. And Rich will just, yeah. Rich will check in. You do everything. No three seconds. Perk will be a god out there. Post up, duck in.

You promised me Perk this summer. Yeah, so I'm going to come through. Because Perk did Area 21, the KG. I was so jealous. He was even better than you said he was going to be. I'm telling you. It was Perk. I'm going to get him on there.

It was incredible. KG, Perk, Pierce, and Rondo, Big Baby. And then they brought Doc Rivers in, not realizing that Big Baby had just trashed Doc Rivers two weeks earlier. Oh, that was hilarious. Then they put him on the spot. And he was just like sinking in his chair.

It was so awkward. And then Big Baby threw Chris Paul under the bus, which I was surprised by. He was dropping bombs. He was saying how Rondo is the best point guard he ever played with. It's because Rondo looked out for his teammates. He was saying how Rondo was the best point guard he ever played with. It's because Rondo looked out for his teammates

and it was, that was crazy. That was good television. Would you go on Area 21 or no? No. You wouldn't do that one? You don't do the old guy, the retired guy TV?

No, I love KG. I would sit down with him, but I wouldn't do it. You wouldn't do it with like five people? Yeah, that's not, I'd be awkward setting I would sit down with him, but I wouldn't do it. You wouldn't do it with five people? Yeah, I'd be an awkward center for me in Area 21. If it was a sit-down like this, it'd be cool. But he got the court in there, and he real animated, too. I like his energy.

I think they gave him 10 Red Bulls. Yeah, I don't got that much energy, so it wouldn't look right. All right, so we got Perk. Who else are we going to have? That's one podcast. Yeah, man. You go like... I thought we were going a certain way. You're like,

Perk, so-and-so, and you're like Leo DiCaprio and Denzel. I'm like, I don't know where to go with those. Leo DiCaprio? I sent you like a hundred names. I know. Jay? Would Harden be good?

Depends. There's going to be somebody who's not going to just say whatever he wants. And that's Perk. That's like Draymond. Draymond would be good. Maybe we get Iverson and Kyrie together. JaV I would be good. Maybe we get Iverson and Kyrie together. Oh, you know what? I never asked you.

I remember one thing I didn't ask you about Steve Kerr about just his health issues and the whole thing. And did you think he was even coming back? Man, once, once we got to the finals, I was, I was, I had hope before then. And once we started the finals and he wasn't out there for game one, I was a little concerned. But, you know, as I was riding to the game for game two,

I was like right outside the parking lot and Chuck was with me. And he was like, were you with me, Chuck? Like, coach is going to be on the sidelines. And I was like, wow, that was out of nowhere. So it was good to see him healthy. Good to see him, like, finish this off with us. And good that he's healthy, man, because he was struggling. He was really struggling.

Could you see it during the season? Yeah. He would always, like, I would catch him always, like, you know, grabbing his neck and shaking his head and twitching, like shaking his body out and trying to get loose and trying to get comfortable. It was just like, you could tell that something was off. So I'm glad he's healthy, getting better. Rob Markman What did you think of Iguodala's dunk in game five? Iguodala I'd seen how much work jay put in he changed his diet during the year

he you know cut out a lot of the bad foods and doing yoga once a week he was eating he was drinking a lot of water he was just doing everything perfect that's what happens when you get old you start doing that stuff he started i went through that phase yeah and he was just he you start drinking those juices like beet juice yeah man he was doing all the all the weird stuff that you do man like you'll be doing that like five years from now yeah i'm starting to you'll be having like kale kale salad yes exactly so i seen all that with dre and i was like when he did in the finals i was like well i know why you know it's not like he just hop out of bed and he put the work in throughout the whole year to put himself in that position.

What was the thing about how you stopped drinking for a few months when you got hurt? When I got injured, our trainer was like, it would be best if, because I wouldn't be able to move around or break a sweat. Yeah. I didn't want to pack on no pounds while I'm just drinking alcohol and having a beer or two every day while i'm just laying up on my couch waiting for my knee to heal you know i didn't want to add on the extra weight and once i came back i didn't want to be overweight or you know and start overcompensating so did you feel better is it something you're going to do every playoffs now uh yeah probably i mean it worked for me you know that's why larry bird won three straight mvps So did you feel better? Is it something you're going to do every playoffs now? Yeah, probably.

I mean, it worked for me. You know, that's why Larry Bird won three straight MVPs. He just stopped drinking? No, they traded Rick Roby. That was the guy I used to drink beer with all the time. Really? Yeah. And he stopped drinking.

He stopped going out with Rick Roby. He won three MVPs. That takes a toll on your body. Just having a few beers a day. Yeah, especially when you get older. Man, for real. And eating habits, all that stuff. Nowadays, so many different...

Wow, selection of food. You can eat whatever you want and still be good because you play so much and travel so much, but after a while, it catches up. So you didn't ruin the NBA? I don't think so. No? I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I think I added to it.

I thought I did a good job individually. But as a team, you never seen nothing like us. Here's the thing. There's been a lot of teams that the season ended and everybody said, how are they? Oh, my God, this is a dynasty. This happens all the time. It's really hard to win a championship. You need a lot of things

to go right. Think about when Zaza crashed in your leg. If he crashes into it one inch higher, you're not in the finals. Oh my gosh. Imagine that. You need luck every year with the finals. Yeah, man. We put in work, man. Stop telling us that it wasn't earned or that we didn't work for it, man.

We were the most disciplined team all year. Yeah. We preached teamwork and togetherness all season. It's hard to do that when a bunch of egos in the league. And you peaked at the perfect time. We peaked at the perfect time. We got better when I got hurt. We struggled first.

And then as a smart team does that plays together and that's unpredictable out there, they figured it out. And when I was hurt, they took it to another level. And then when I came back, we just kept going from there. But we were disciplined. We preached. We had a message every day. It was always just about us. You know what I'm saying?

So we worked on us every day. When did you feel like you were a warrior? What point in the season? First. When were you not the new guy anymore? When we lost to San Antonio the first game, I was like, all right. When you go through a, you know, you get taught a lesson early on in the season like that. We had so many, it was so exciting to start the season off.

And for us to get beat by 30 like that, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of like, all right now, it's basketball. Let's play. Let's get better. Let's grind. We don't want this feeling again. And practices, shoot-arounds, everything was focused on, like, winning the right way, playing the right way.

You know what I'm saying? How can you make your teammates better than everybody waiting their turn? Pat McCall ain't played for two weeks coming in and hit some big shots at the end of the third in the finals. You know what I'm saying? So it was like everybody waited their turn, and Coach believed in everybody, man. and we just kept grinding on every day i was expecting to see him in game five because he didn't look scared in the cleveland games in the at cleveland games and he made a

three yeah there was like talk about checkpoints yeah he had a couple checkpoints in those cleveland games i was like i bet kurt plays him yeah because you always want to play young guys at home with the crowd yeah and uh he's going to play for you next year oh he's going to be he's 25 minutes a game next year i think oh yeah because he's going to be i mean this this did a lot for him is he guarding him in practice yeah that's got to he's good man he's gonna play a lot for us next year you know how they got him they bought him from milwaukee i think yeah they bought the pick yeah they cut a check yeah but cut a check for the pick yeah so that's the thing i said this on my podcast last week people are bitching about this this warriors team because i think it's like the whole it's like

the whole trope the everybody gets a trophy culture of what the way we are as americans now where it's like everybody's gonna you can't stack the deck all that stuff and look you know i'm not i'm not for stacking the deck but it's's been happening. The Sixers traded for Moses Malone in 82. They had been in two or three finals. They traded for the MVP. It's cool. This is the league. It's cool when whoever's paying all the bills is doing it.

But the thing is, if we do it as the players, it's cheating the game. They've been doing this for years, stacking the deck, having the best players play with each other why not they drafted clay they drafted curry nobody wanted clay minnesota passed steph twice jay ma was the 35th pick like jay ma was second round they created the cap space to get iguodala they created the cap space to get you. They went and got, bought the Macau pick. But it's our culture. It's not just the players. Yeah.

But they went and got Livingston who was, had had a good season the year before. But nobody was, nobody. Smart guys. Nope.

When they signed Livingston, they wasn't like, oh, Sean Livingston's the reason they gonna win the championship now. Like, that wasn't a thought when they signed Sean Livingston. They like,

oh, this is a good piece. That's a solid piece. He resurrected his career. Yeah. But nobody was calling that the game-changing piece. But now, I mean, like, now it's a super team now. You had a bunch of guys that nobody wanted, and we got a culture that. They almost traded Klay.

Yeah, you got a culture that was, like, different. Like, Klay Thompson, just being a shooter, he was 11th pick. A lot of people could have had him. They didn't. Draymond Green was 35th pick. He didn't play as much his first few years. Now everybody wants players like Draymond Green. These dudes

wasn't coming out of high school as the best players in their class and being the first team All-American out of high school. They had great college careers, but they weren't highly touted. school was the best players in their class and being the first team all-american you know out of high school and they had great college careers but it's like they weren't highly touted and they started winning because they have been a great culture and they playing together and they playing the game the way it's supposed to be playing you're going to discredit like you want to discredit what they do by calling it the sand it's supposed to be easy like no i put in the

work everybody put in the work and they want to play the right way it's hard to sacrifice well and also i think the thing people discounted about this season not to sound like a warrior's apologist but um the spotlight and the bullseye you guys had the bullseye of just night after night you're getting everybody's best game then the spotlight of the media constantly trying to create little fake stories and just all the shit that goes with being the best team when you have a team that's relatively new with new pieces. It's hard to deal with. It broke the 2011 heat.

The scrutiny was too much. It kind of affected LeBron to the point that in the finals, he kind of melted down a little bit, you know, it's hard. It is. I just think people seem to think that it was easy. I would say going against LeBron and Kyrie,

LeBron still in his prime, Kyrie, unstoppable. It's pretty good team. It wasn't like it was a pushover so kairi lebron kevin love kevin love thompson crazy jr smith thompson jasmine so would you call it the equinox team come to life yeah exactly what it was. It was like the big bullies versus the nerds. Yeah.

And the nerds won this time. Because we thought the game a little better. We executed it a little better. Well, I enjoyed it. I think it's really hard to win the championship. I remember the 86 Celticsics after they won that year. Everybody was like, oh, my God, and they have the number one pick coming. This is done.

We've seen this every decade. There's two teams that seem like they're invincible, and you still got to go out and do it, and you got to protect it, and who the hell knows? So you guys have a really good chance. Kevin Durant durant when are you going to sleep now man probably not i'm about to oh he's got to go through his 200 texts yeah you just won't tell us who the texts are except for obama all right the trilogy this is number

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