The Bill Simmons Podcast - Game 7 Baseball Magic, Josh Beats Pat, Seattle’s Rise, Cincy’s Fall, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to react to Week 9 of the NFL season. But first, they recap an all-time Game 7 as the Dodgers defeat the Blue Jays to win back-to-back World Series (05:04). Then, they discuss their Week 9 takeaways, including the Bills' win against the Chiefs (28:34). After, they get into Guess the Lines for Week 10 and finish off with Parent Corner (01:34:48) ! Host: Bill SimmonsGuest: Cousin SalProducers: Jonathan Frias, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo #ULTRACourtside could get you closer to the game! https://michelobultra.com/courtsideENJOY RESPONSIBLY  2025 ANHEUSER-BUSCH, MICHELOB ULTRA LIGHT BEER, ST. LOUIS, MO. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I'm really excited to be in a situation where we came in the kind of platform and the support And I just always felt like if he was on the right team, he would crush. So you have that piece. And then Rich's side, you know, he's obviously a really busy guy. He's got a lot of commitments. But there's a perspective that he has and in chemistry, especially with Max, that I think, I just think is really unique for a podcast and for a conversation that you'd want to listen

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It's not our fault. Are you blaming us? No, I'm just saying this is why we were delayed on YouTube. We were going to come earlier, but he went down and it did not look great, and it was not a great night for the Washington commanders. We will talk about that later. I'm going to do something we've never done in 18 years of Guest Alliance. What was that?

Start talking about another sport to start the podcast. We got to go backwards. Not basketball, though. Not NBA, please. I want to talk baseball. I want to talk about last night. Dodgers going back to back. One of the great baseball games.

I think of my lifetime and yours, right? That's on the, I don't know what the greatest is. I don't know, you know, I almost feel like it's actors. Like you could say Merrill Streep's the greatest actress ever, but if you say greatest actor, you can probably list six or seven. We've had some great baseball games in the World Series in our day, right? Jack Morris, that World Series, 07, Cleveland, Florida was awesome.

The Arizona Yankees game was awesome. That 2016 Cubs game. So there's been some good ones. This one had everything, though. And I think when you combine the other three losses or the other two losses that Toronto had, I think this was a uniquely awful experience for Blue Jays fans. I can't come up with another loss like this, right? For the culmination started with the 18 in a game to now.

So I want to start with the loss and then go to the win. But if that had been the Mets, would you be able to do the podcast tonight? No, I don't think so. Even a day removed. Yeah, it's as bad as it gets. And, you know, there was already the stink of Game 7, Toronto, right, for the city and the hockey team can never get that past Game 7. And it's one of those series where you think, wow, should they have just lost to Seattle and six? Like, would that have been better?

Would that have been better for them emotionally? Showing up, like, and then up 3-2 and then up 3-0 in game 7, which your Red Sox were up 3-0 to my Mets. You weren't home at the time, but it was really eerily reminiscent. I kept thinking of you. But so you think this, you thought, you thought. game seven was better than the one you went there, the 18 inning game? Or it's just the best game seven you've ever seen? I think I'm talking game sevens. Yeah. With the drama of bringing in the baggage from the 18 inning game from game six when it seemed like they had it, they're bringing

in glass now basically, you know, third and second, it just seems like they're something good is going to happen for them. And all something, games over. Guy gets doubled off off second. The announcer's gloss over it. I'm still trying to figure out why he drifted over that far on a that Kiki caught like this. Right. But then going up 3-0, having it in the ninth, having Hoffman as this giant wart on your body

that you're just hoping nobody picks. Oh, I had him in the AL-Kieb. I was just waiting for him to do that. And then who hits the homer to tie it? And then what happened? How the game ended, how the instant replay? Has there ever been a closer instant replay

where the team didn't get it? A single cleat. And that's, look, With these seven-game series, and you'll run into the same thing with a great basketball series. But when there's a series, unlike the Super Bowl and like Atlanta fans,

it'll be like 283, I could point to 16 things that happened. But when you have like a nine or 10-day series and you lose so close, like you could point to a hundred things. Like, Blue Taze fans, I can't even imagine what they're going through. And that 18 inning game,

there were six things, six base running errors that everybody made. And then as you talk about the cleat and the double play and just, well, was he leading off third too much? And now all these major league baseballs are coming to kind of a left for defense. Like, I don't even know how I'd be able to handle this as a Mets fan. It's as bad as loss as you'll find. Yeah, I remember when I wrote about the game six of the 86th World Series,

one of the great moments of your life. Oh, yeah, let's hear about this, yeah. All the different moments where the Red Sox could have finished the game off, right? And the reverse of that was when the Patriots came back against the Falcons. 23. And I think it was like 15 plays where if any play had gone differently at Atlanta's way, they win. Like most famously, the Julio Jones when they had to catch, but then they somehow go backwards and have to punts then kick a field goal. But there's a million of those. And I think those are the worst ones as sports fans. Those are the ones that still

haunt me. Like the Celtics in game four, the 87 finals, being up six with two minutes left. And I can still remember the entire sequence where we lost the lead, where it's just like that point, that point. And you just think about it. In a way, it's way worse than it is better to win. You're more haunted by the loss than you are. No question. The celebration of the win. You're just relieved. You're just relieved on your win. And then, you know, on top of all that stuff, all the plays that came down to a quarter of an inch or this or that or this weird decision, they're up against like this Halloween zombie in Yamamoto who pitched game two, game six. and like, all right, we've had enough for him.

Game seven and, like, raises his hand, a volunteer for games before that, too? Like, what the hell is going on here? How do you have such an intense force on the other side? And how do you keep combating that? And they just couldn't, I guess. That's never happened, right?

Like, what was Baumgartner the situation with him with the Giants? It wasn't like the next day him pitching 40 pitches, was it? I don't remember that. This was like, I just thought when somebody started a game, and through 90-plus pitches, we did not get to see that person the next day.

That person's just scrapped. And Fox was never showing the available pitchers, which I don't understand how that's not a graphic. We got to see the Joe Carter Homer 397 times in the graphic and game-winning homers and all this stuff. And they were so concerned with the history of everything and not just telling us, like, here's who's left for the Dodgers. Kershaw, like, Kershaw got up in extra innings.

It was like, oh, my God, can you imagine? Yeah. Can you imagine if he has to come in and pitch during this? But I felt so bad for the Blue Jays. If Luch's doesn't swing at ball four, Toronto wins that 18 inning game that you were at. By the way, congratulations for sticking it through. You're one of the great Dodger fans out there, I think. I'd have to say at this point.

That was great to be there with the other Dodger fits. Well, I was thinking the difference with this Blue Jays loss is the three together. I don't remember that in a seven-game series for a baseball game. team before. Three horrible losses. Oh, yeah. The 18 inning game alone is like the worst loss you're going to have in five losses, right? Yeah, right. And then the blowing game six, when everybody goes there, everybody thinks they have it in the bag. And then it seems like multiple points during that game, they're going to win that one. And then game seven, when they went up three nothing,

I remember that Cardinals, the World Series like in 85 when Andahar flipped out and the royals just killed them like 11. I really started to wonder like, is this going to be like a blowout or the Blue Jays just going to kill them? Like the Dodgers, it felt like the Blue Jays were a slightly better team and the Dodgers were just going to, they were hanging on, hanging on, doing it all in DNA, and then eventually

it was going to run out. And then the longer the game went. Every two winnings, they'd get a run and they'd come back there and for like to get beaten. It's one thing that, like, they must have been like, what the fuck is going on here? Yamamoto is a robot. And then you got this guy who hasn't had a hit in a month,

it's a home run against us to go ahead, right? And then the back-to-back plays with the cleat on the plate. And then the... How about the collision to end it in? Hernandez. It was insane that that ball didn't drop. That ball drops 90 times out of 100. Yeah, I don't know what the rankings are for me,

but it's hard to think of a more dramatic game seven that just had like crazy plays. Like the collision play alone would have been... would have been enough to carry the craziness for the game. because it's conceivable. That just could have, ball could have dropped, and they win the World Series that way. Yeah.

And I'm positive that's never happened before. No, not like that. No, that's never happened before. And then you think about it, like the Dodgers hit 204 in the series, and they hit 203 last year against the Yankees. And they won both. And they won last year convincingly.

And it's like, but there was still a million great plays to talk about, even though they couldn't put the bat on the ball for 80% of the time. Yeah, that was the cool thing about game three, at least until one in the next yearnings, was there were so many good defensive plays and base running plays. And, yeah, it's just this higher level of the sport. And you start comparing your own team to it.

Like I was texting on my Red Sox thread. I was like, how many, doesn't this make us feel like we're a million miles away from this Dodgers team? Like, they have four starting pitchers that we don't have. You know, we have like no chance. We had no chance in a series like this. And, you know, some people were talking about how the Dodgers. well, they bought this and said, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, you know, Vlad did sign a $500 million contract.

They're not exactly going against Hickory High here. Toronto, you know, Toronto is spending money too and they were doing trade deadline stuff. The Dodgers piece of this, though, back-to-back really matters to me just as a sports fan and somebody who cares about this shit. I remember all the back-to-back teams. Like the Yankees doing it in 77 and 78 and the Reds doing it right before them. And then the Blue Jays did it. We're all kind of pissed off because that was right when.

baseball was starting to change. We're like, oh, these motherfuckers that kind of bought this a little bit. They had these hired guns. That's not, they didn't grow these players themselves. These weren't the homegrown stars. And then the Yankees, obviously. But to do two in a row, I just feel like the stakes are down. You must feel that way about the Cowboys.

I know I feel that way about the Pats. Like to win two in a row, that second one's so much harder. Well, you won more than two in a back in the day. Oh, I thought you meant looking forward. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was great. The back to back is just like, it's just, it's a, you're, you're planting your flag on a different planet, right?

And I think they sensed that and they understood it. And now they belong to this. Anyone can win one title, but you belong to a different kind of stratosphere, I think. Yeah, I agree. And it's like, and you feel good for these Dodgers fans and there's going to be a parade

and there's like fireworks all over the place. It's like, yeah, this is pretty great. Then our producer Jack is like, hey, my seven-year-old has seen three championships and seen it as well. I'm like, I'll get the hell out of here. I don't want here for me. Fuck off.

Yeah. Fuck off. I'll pull to David Chang and tell you to fuck off. No, we love Jack and his son, but it's enough champions. No, listen, it's been a great, great run for them. Kershaw somehow got his last one. I'll never forget seeing him come into that 18-90 game and how nervous everybody was.

And when they showed him in the bullpen, I'm sure all the Dodger fans were like, oh, my God. On top of it, it was a Saturday night Halloween, which isn't unusual for the sport. Halloween obviously isn't on Saturday every year, but sometimes it is, and sometimes it overlaps of the great baseball game. But the combo, at least out here, it was like Halloween parties, the Dodgers are involved, this game's going late.

This was like a water cooler moment. I do feel like baseball is in a slightly different place in the mainstream than it was pre-COVID. Right? Like something has shifted, the pitch clock, getting Otani and the Dodgers, having like big market teams that I think people know some of the players, the sport being enjoyable. I think feel like kids, there's more kids kind of monitoring what's going on. The video game, I think, helps. But it just felt like, it felt like the sport we grew up with, I felt like.

The pitch clock is great because you still would have been at that 18 inning game. That would have been a 40, you know, if there was no pitch clock. Greatest invention of our lifetime in sports, I think. And yeah, and you know what's sad. You say it's in a different place. It's going to be in a much different place next year when they strike. So that's going to suck. Just please try to get your shit together and ride the wave here because there's nothing better

than baseball when it's played at the level we saw this last week. I'm glad you brought that up because we've seen them do this before with some of the worst timing ever for just the two sides not being able to figure something out. I mean, the salaries are definitely gigantic. And I know the RSNs have shifted and all that stuff. But if they damage whatever has been rebuilt here over the last five years, that would just be, I don't know if a lot of people would come back from that. Shame. Shame on them.

I don't know. 94. Remember, it took, it took a couple years. It was really like some baby steps. It was like Ripkin, um, that some of the big market teams got back involved, like the Yankees and the Red Sox got pretty good again. Pedro went to the Red Sox. The Yankees got going. It was kind of shitty until 97, until so some of wire. That like that kind of brought it back. Yeah, they needed that, they needed that for sure. But yeah, I felt like the, the Braves, Yankees, 96, that World Series. was good. The Cleveland, Florida, even though it was two weird teams, that World Series was

awesome. Right. And then, uh, then we had the bonds and McGuire and Sosa and all that stuff heading into the 90s, Red Sox versus Yankees. Like we had it really, and then all of a sudden it was back. And it feels like it's back now. Yeah. So to, to blow this would just be unconscionable. Don't take it away. Don't do it. And by the way, next year is what? The Olympics. So, you know, people will find something else to watch. They better not screw this up. They're really better one other guy I wanted to shout out really quickly the catcher and the Dodgers will smith who caught all 18 innings in that game three and caught every inning of this series and then hits the the game winning homer in game seven and i know yamamoto had to be the MVP but it was

it almost feels like there should be an intercontinental champion MVP there should be some sort of second thing that's awarded as somebody who just had a crazy impact on it i think To watch him get up and then crouch and get up and crouch for seven solid hours. I was like, this guy's like they're going to have to send him to a fucking hospital in Germany to get him ready for game four. He never came out. It was unbelievable. Taking short hops to the thighs and everything chasing pitches and everything. Yeah, that was a tough gig.

I felt that that way too. He should have shot up the MVP rankings after that game. And I mean, just the idea that just it was. just a few years ago. He was banned from the Academy Award. Oh, no, that was a different one. Jeff Ross said, it was good to see Will Smith hitting something other than Chris Rock.

I don't know. There's a million jokes. And then Otani, who at some point during game three, it felt like this was going to be one of the watershed months in pro sports history for an athlete. And then by the end of it, he was just kind of barely hanging out as a supportive cast member.

He got bailed out. He was out three nothing. thing. It seemed like he had multiple chances to get those runs back and couldn't and then his team picked him up. But it was just, it was interesting to watch his week above. And then my guy, Mookie was the other one who they had to move him back in the batting order because he was kind of killing him. But at the same time was, it's just unbelievable to me that he plays shortstop. It's kind of went from center to right to, or right to center to second base to shortstop. There's never been a career like this.

You have to do it if you're a dodger. And then he gets the double play to end the series. Just, ear-to-ear smiles as soon as he fielded the ball. Like, you did feel good for him. The one more thing I want to say about that 18-inning game, as great as that was, that's the pinnacle of sports, 18-innings. And you see that guy, Klein, who hadn't thrown 60 pitches through college. And, oh, my God, he's just bowing these guys down. Unbelievable.

There's Dodgers' 10th pitcher. That, like, the biggest difference between my team and the team that's in there, they have pitcher number 10 is throwing 99 on the corner, right? And the announcers are barely mentioning it. But how that could have gone from great to absurd if we saw your guy Muky Betts pitching the 19th inning or the 20th inning. Like that would have been ridiculous, right?

Like then you're like, ah, shit, this sucks. Like, you know, imagine if Remandreys Stevenson is the quarterback of the Patriots because the game went too long, you know? So what do you do? Do you do like by the 18th inning, you start a guy on second base?

I don't, like, I don't think you could mess with the history of this. I did miss the Ghost Runner a little bit, a little bit. I mean, sitting there just watching everybody go just zeros for three solid hours was, you know, the boojays had taken it right now. Otani, maybe the fourth time he was intentionally walked, he can get second base, right? But at least one more base, you know, you're not allowed to throw the first so many times. They could fudge that rule a little bit. What's the most nerve-wracking sport to you of all the sports? Is it baseball?

I just think for like situation like that or is it hockey? No, is it sudden death hockey or is it like an extra innings baseball game with everything at stake? It's got to be hockey because there's no your team's up at bat you're not going to get scored on in baseball, right? So you have that at least.

It's end-to-end rush and hockey. Like you could be on a power play and get scored on in three seconds, you know, because it's back and forth and back and forth. So it has to be hockey. but the way baseball is shot and directed and the way, though, like, you know, a lot of times it's cold,

the pitcher blowing on his hand, they go to the dugout, the shots of the fans. You cannot match that intensity because you have so much time in between pitches. Baseball also has that unbelievable piece where it's like bases loaded,

the guy throw, it's like two and no count. Yeah. And the announcer does the, there's nowhere to put him. And you're like, yeah, there really isn't. There's nowhere to put him.

Right, right. Exactly. In hockey, I guess the version of that is the five-on-four or the five-on-three power play in O-T. I still feel like I've been in the house for great games in every sport. I've never seen a game seven of the World Series in person. But I still think in football, when it's really, when it's like final two minutes and every play just feels the most momentous and they're coming to the line and it's like third and eight. And it's like if we get a stop here, we might actually win the same.

Super Bowl. There's a different kind of energy with that. Oh, yeah. You know? Neil O'Donnell was driving towards the end zone I was in and the Cowboys Steelers Super Bowl. And I remember thinking, I'm going to have a stroke. I'm like, you know, I'm 24 years old here. And I'm just going to stroke out here in the upper deck. And that's going to be it. So, yeah, there are situations where it does look like they're actually coming for you. I think the single most exciting thing that can happen to a fan in sports is the come from behind home run. Yeah.

the like henderson dave henderson in the 1986 american league championship series when we were down three one of the angels down three runs of the ninth inning and then he hit a homer off of donny more to tie it i just don't think that's the most excited i've ever been by anything that's happening like just a single play just where you're it's basically like you get a second say you get a second life like in a video game like somebody just gives you a quarter and you get to keep playing like oh my god The most famous one when I was a kid was the Bernie Carbo home run in the Carlton Fist game.

It took it from 6-3 to 6-6. But the home run in the 9th by Rojas, the classic, like you just want him to get on base. You're not thinking he's going to go deep. And then it's like, oh my God. Oh, it's out. And it's just like you black out, basically.

And you know why it's great in baseball? Because unlike any sport, there's no hiccup. It's not going to get called back for a holding, right? It's not going to get, as long as it doesn't wrap. wrap around the foul pole. You don't have to worry about anything.

That's a home run. He's just got to touch the bases and you're good. You know, you have to worry about a penalty kick or off sides or anything bullshit. What's your greatest home run?

What's your favorite one for the Mets? The one that made you black out? I think I have to say Dykesh or against the Astros in that playoff series. Yeah. That was pretty awesome.

But there were a few against you. Every fan base has one of them. Well, the Blue Jays, I feel bad for the fans, but 32 years. Mm-hmm. They were playing that up and it's, I can't tell if that's long or maybe we're just old because I told her, remember when they won in 92 and 93. It's like, all right, they did go back to back in the 90s.

Like, this isn't, this isn't the Cubs. Right. Yeah. I just think they especially want to give it to America here. That also helped in 2025. But, yeah, 30 years is nothing. Try being a Cowboys fan. Ron, about that.

Same thing. Well, it was almost the worst weekend in the history. of Canada because the bills almost blew the chiefs game. I consider the bills a Canadian team. I was thinking about R.L. Hawani, who comes on this pot a lot, who I'm friendly with. His three teams are the Knicks, the Bills, and the Blue Jays. Oh, wow. So, yeah. So just in 2025, we were texting about this earlier, he had the Bills lost in January. He had that fucking crazy Knicks Pacer series with that Hallibur game,

which is the most improbable basketball loss, you know, maybe ever, right? And then you have this Blue Jays going against the Dodgers. That's many, many years. Three horrible stomach punch losses in a rough. That's 100 seasons of no winning. Yeah, that's so good.

Yeah, he's basically like, I might not have gone to work this week. Do you remember after the Air and Boone game, I left Jimmy's show the next day? Yeah. I left at like one o'clock I honestly felt like physically ill I couldn't I was supposed to write jokes

I wanted to like put my head in an oven We also were recording you clandestinely And you're like fuck you I'm gonna quit this job If you play that on TV I did get mad Yeah you were very upset We'll take a break for the pot We'll keep going on the YouTube

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You want to start Bill's K.C.? I mean, I just start with me. The gambling gods just said, hey, enjoy your Yamamoto MVP winnings. We're going to take it away from you and then some. And if you're, that's it. If your great-uncle leaves you anything in his will, we're going to take that too. Fing, Packers, Lions, just the worst.

Well, we were worried. We did say the favorites had done really well the last couple weeks, and we were a little worried about the Parley's teaser train. There were a lot of obvious ones, and the ones that were the big letdowns today were the Packers and the Lions. I got to say, I didn't have the Packers on the Multi-View. Really?

Oh, not on the Multi-View. Wow. I didn't. I had six games going, and they were one of the two that didn't crack it, and I didn't put it on to the fourth quarter. Good for you. I kept waiting for them to all of a sudden to be up 20 to 6, and it just

never happened. And I obviously saw, I saw that awful fourth and eight from the 13. I don't know, would Jordan love just whipping it into the end zone? Was that the worst pass ever? Like, maybe was it the worst pass ever? Really bad. Yeah. They never punted. How do you

score 13 points and not punt? They didn't punt. They scored 13 points. The opposing quarterback at 102 two yards passing and no touchdowns in an interception. And if you would have told me that much, I would have taken a second mortgage out on the family home here. But it didn't, but yeah, that fourth and eight, are we going to start with this game?

Because I just like they, I think these coaches are getting a little ridiculous with not kicking. Like fourth and eight from the 13 with 11 minutes left. You're down seven. We did it on the fourth and 17 and it actually worked. And that worked. And that were. And I don't understand that one either.

But there weren't a lot of trust in a house. They weren't a lot of. Like 11? You have to score in twice anyway. Like, I don't know. Even Atlanta passing on the field goal in your game was weird. But I know it worked, but yeah. I don't know, man.

I don't know. I don't know why you go for it there. So much. Well, the Packers, I think the Packers have had the biggest swerb over the last week because everyone was feeling awesome about them after that Pittsburgh game. They lose the home of Carolina. It's 13-9-point favorites, which I'm going to say will be the biggest favorite to lose a game this year. like usually we get over 10 points that happens what four or five four times maybe all year 13 and a half

is like that's like once every couple years it's the biggest since 2023 Titans Miami yeah so I'm right and tied uh for their largest upset loss since 1970 I don't know but the funny thing is they've done this in the Leflore era they play three really shitty games each year and you don't know when they're going to happen and this was obviously one of them but then the other big thing is they, it seems like they lost Tucker Kraft for the year. Yeah, that looks bad. He hurt his knee and they were doing the thing like, it's not good. Like how's Tucker Kraft's name? Not good. When they open with the Not Good or it's like, hey, we'll see. You know, MRI tomorrow, keep your fingers crossed. When they do the Not Good, that means it's bad. They think it's MCL and

ACL. So, yeah, that's bad for him. He's a fun player. Well, yeah, I thought he was their best and most reliable third down guy, most reliable Red Zone guy. So, that changes their destiny. And then on flip side, Carolina's in the playoff picture. Five and four. They're five and four. They played New Orleans in Atlanta the next two weeks.

Jesus. So we could have, Carolina could be seven and four in two weeks, and the Bears could be seven and three. And those teams aren't good. Right. Right? I mean, nobody thinks the Bears are good.

Is anybody get offended about that? It's funny. When we went over who's going to be the seventh NFC team, we settled on. the Niners and you put together that parlay and it was like, what, plus 340? And then the Niners spanked the Giants. I'm like, oh, that's looking good. But I didn't realize. I'm like, oh,

shit, the Panthers are in the picture here. What is it going? Is that really going to now the bears are back in it? Let's go to the big game, the Buffalo, Kansas City game where Josh Allen beats Mahomes. He's 5 and 1 in the regular season against Mahomes,

but Mahomes is won every playoff meeting. I was trying to think of like a real-life example of what this is like. Yeah. There is no example. It's like you don't really get to brag about it, but it's also not nothing. And then you think about the four playoff wins they had.

One of them was the 13 seconds game where Alan did everything you could possibly do to win the game. Is it a guy who wins a non-title match all the time and then the wrestling? Oh, like it goes up against magnificent Morocco and he just pins him four minutes at the metal lens? Yeah, so he's repeatedly winning the non-title matches, not the actual pay-per-view matches. I do think watching that confirms something I've been saying all years.

I just think Josh is slightly better than Mahomes for whatever reason right now. And I think the difference is the inside the five-yard line stuff and the fourth and short stuff, I think Alan is just the best guy in the league. There's the push in the NFC, I get it.

But I just think Alan is getting into the end zone when you're inside the five. But in Mahomes, they've never QB sneaked him since he got hurt that time. And over and over again, you can actually do a goal line stand against them because you never have to worry about the QB sneak because they just won't do it. They're always trying to cheat around it or a ram cream hunt in the middle or do these little quickouts. And I think it's easy to play a team when you know they're never going to QB sneak.

The Raiders lost today because Lawrence ended up QB sneaking, what, two times in a row to get it finally? Well, because they're the Raiders. But yes. And they're the Raiders. Yeah, those things. Yeah, I think, like, they have to be extra creative down by the goal line. They don't have, you're right.

They don't have the luxury of what, like, the Bill's doing some of these other. Even, like, the Falcons could ram it in or Seattle, as we saw. But, yeah, they have to do, like, the shovel pass to Kelsey or something weird over the middle. Or that quick, the guy in motion who does the quick 45-degree angle, Tyree Kilplay. Yep, yeah. Yeah, Rishie Rice running it in. But, yeah, I mean, A, what was he held to under 50% passing? Like, this is, this Bill's defense.

I think we're at a good spot here with some of these defense is getting better, right? Like we worried about the Bill's defense. Who was the other terrible? Like even the Steelers defense stepped up. I didn't expect that to happen. The Ravens... Why would you?

They were terrible last week. They gave them 20 straight passes. Yeah. But the Steelers, Bills, and Ravens might play defense now and could lead to like some fun AFC games. Well, you know, it's fun. Casey is the 8 seed right now.

Wow. Are they mentioned that? Because there's only seven playoffs seeds in each conference. You don't think they'll change that. Goodell will change that to eight. It would be interesting if they changed that in like week 12. Hey, we have an idea.

16 team playoff brackets. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Sal. Yeah. The Patriots with Tom Brady as the starter. Only started five and four twice in 2001 and 2002. In 2001, he didn't even start the first three games. 2002, they finished nine and seven. And then after that, never again.

Brady had 13 Patriot seasons of four losses or less and after 2002 never finished worse than 11 and 5. So everybody can take a big heaping sip of settle down juice in the goat discussion. Tom Brady is, we're still good. Yeah, we're still good. We're still fine. Yeah.

Oh, Brady is not the goat? No, he's not the goat. Oh, he's the goat. But we have to settle down? Okay. He's the goat. Settle down. I don't know what you're saying.

Oh, I see. To settle down. Oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, he has the go. So I don't know. I didn't know if you were, you were put, or it's fine. Win a few more Super Bowls? Maybe don't start the season five and four, and we can throw you in the go-combo.

I see what you're saying. I did you're comparing them to the current Patriots. I would totally misread that. This one had a funny one, though. McDermott, they're up seven. There's like 30 seconds left. Chiefs have no timeouts. They're on like the 36-yard line.

And he decides to try to kick a field goal to go. up 10 misses it. All of a sudden, the chiefs have the ball back. You punt? You punt there? You punt there? You're not going 90 yards and 20 seconds. It's not happening.

Just punting out of bounds. What was it? It was 27 seconds left, fourth and, like eight. Just punt it out of bounds. Yeah. How man. What do you want to give them the ball at the 40? Like, that's doable.

And I can get a pass interference. I can get Kelsey over the middle. I can down it. Like it's conceivable. I can get scoring three plays. Right. Yeah. Yeah, those just always go right into the end zone.

But I guess it wouldn't matter. From the 20, with your own 20 with 20 seconds left, you're right. I mean, we've seen Mahomes do it, but that was probably, but the kick just missed, then thank God, because we had teasers all over the place with that. Oh, my God. Yeah, I had the bills to win the game, and then at halftime, I did the Chiefs money line,

the Chiefs were winning by a point in the second half. We were doing a little chasing, little Jamar chasing. After that was back, the Lions lost. You mentioned that thing about the punting. So I thought the same thing. They're not going to do it because these teams always kick it in the end zone. What the fuck do these punters do all day and practice every day? Right.

Like how many things are there to practice? It's like, all right, we're in a practice where you punt it as far as you can. And then I thought we'd practice when you angle the punts and they don't go in the end zone. What are the other, I guess you're practicing a fake punt player? What do putters do all day? They can't just direct a punts. punt into the, I feel like when we were kids, punters could do this routinely. Now nobody, it's like how nobody can bunt anymore in baseball.

Right. Well, bunting was taken out of, yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, but yes, the coffin corner or at least kick it out at about, what are you doing? You're turning your body a little bit, right? And then aiming it not directly at the sideline, but 25 yards downfield and down the sideline. These guys, it's their only job. It's not like they're also doing five other things and bartending at night.

and it's like this is a real job where they make multiple millions a year. They don't know how to do a coffin corner punt. Kills their net though. Kills their net stats. And then when you go to renegotiate, it's not good. I think it's like the, but now it doesn't matter. Like the basketball player taking a three

with two seconds left, the full court. It goes against the stats. Well, KC's the eight seed. They're two behind Denver. And here's what they have left, Sal. Five and four. Buy week next week at Denver. Like a real chance to be five and five.

home for Indianapolis, at Dallas, home Houston, home chargers, at Tennessee, home Denver, at Vegas. So they played Denver twice, and they already have four losses. And I think they're over under for the season was 12.5, I'm going to say. Yeah, I'm not doing this, though. They'll go under 12 and 1⁄2. But what does that feel like, do 11 and 6? They're still making the playoffs. But 10 and 7, I think even makes it, right?

Did they have an answer? Yeah. I got to look here now. This is bad. It feels like there's two more losses in there. We can't. It's not going to be against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. But what do you think they are to make the playoffs?

I would say minus 240. You see, it's it's minus $6.50. They're not going to let anybody steal money. Who's the seven seed? You said they were eighth. Well, Jacksonville's in there now. Just saying. I guess Jacksonville does have the head to head, right?

they're 5 and 3 they beat in KC and they have the rest of the way they play the Titans twice that could be seven wins they play the Jets

that's eight they're at Cardinals next week they play the Texans probably lost but yeah there's a path for them to get to 10 next week they're both 10 and 7 they might be against Davis Mills next week I would say he's 50-50

Stroud can we talk about that game yeah let's do it that was my worst loss of the day um i had the texans stroud got concussed um and then apparently damico ryan's got concussed with about two minutes left because one 14 boot and rally bow necks did it again he he he got he got hammered for the first two hours of the game he passed out he threw up all over the american flag on the wall standing next to them and threw up all, and had diarrhea. They threw them in a shower. They gave him a cup of coffee,

and boot and rally bow came back out for the next hour, two touchdown drives, ties the game, and Houston gets the ball on their own 13 with a minute and 14 left. Tie game. Denver has two timeouts,

and I'm sitting there going, okay, handoff, handoff, third handoff. Sure. You punt it back. They have 10 seconds left. Let's go to overtime. You have Davis Moses as your quarterback.

You've scored three points since he came into the game. You're not going 60 yards against Denver's defense. Can I add one more wrinkle? Yeah. As back is to the end zone. The lighting and those Texas stadiums are so weird. And you get in the daylight right in his face. And, you know, it's like a fragmented daylight.

And so he's got to look into the sun while throwing downfield. Take it from there. What are the three plays they do? Incomplete pass on first down to create. Christian Kirk. Just didn't even start the clock. It goes five seconds, stops. Jaden Higgins, four-yard pass.

And Higgins, for some reason, goes out of bounds. So we really want you guys to have two timeouts. Third and six, incomplete pass. Putting it back to you, 55-yard punt, return for eight. And Denver has the ball with two timeouts, thinking with a minute left, they ran 14 seconds off the clock. And other than that, Brian Caller, Halahan when he called, what was that thing?

When he called the timeout and they were going to kick the field goal and then it was a delay a game after they called the timeout. That was good. The delay game after the timeout, that was the worst coaching moment of the year. They should fire him again. I think this is the new worst coaching moment of the year because Houston needed the game. Like they don't have a lot of room for error now. And anyway, Denver wins the game.

And it was the first time where I was like, are we sure DiMico Ryan's is a good coach? Because this was bad. You had, Texas, I'd be pissed too if I had the Texans. but I stayed away. I just like this, whoever gets, I thought whoever got to 17 first wins and that's kind of how it was,

but 34 minutes to 25 minutes, time of possession for Houston. Denver had one interception and one fumble. They had fewer total yards. Houston was just three for 17 on third down, and it was because they had Davis Mills. Like they obviously win the game, CJ Stroud, I would think, at this point.

But just the same, roll the dice in overtime. What the hell are you thinking there? Yeah, you're home. Denver's special teams was awful. And Bowdox was awful for two solid hours. There was, like, near the end of the second, I was going against him in our fantasy league.

Near the end of the second quarter, he was minus 1.85. That was his fantasy total. And in the fourth quarter, I think he was at five points and then finally rallied. But that's it for the Texans. I mean, I'm not ready to make them a cross-offs team, but right now they are, let's see,

three and five. Yeah. they have the Titans only once they still have a Bills game on Thursday night they still have at Colts at Chiefs

at Chargers and the Colts again right I like to it's not it's a cross-off in pencil mm-hmm right not in Penn

but I think in pencil they have that team's not going that team's not going seven and two down the stretch I don't think yeah I mean they're not grabbing a wild card

right so they have to steal that division somehow boy And it's not looking good, especially if he doesn't start next week. But Denver is, are they the full of shit champs of the world like this team? I think they're decent sometimes, but they beat Cam Ward, they beat Jake Browning, they beat Justin Fields, they beat Jackson Darts, they beat Davis Mills.

I mean, that is. There's something be said for turning it on in fourth quarters and kind of rise into the occasion. But I also think it's the team like when we're doing overrunners next August. Yeah. they would jump out to us as the full of shit team. Right. They're like, look at this. They went 12 and 5.

They were 8 and 1 and, you know, last two minute games. Well, we liked them this year because they were 1 in 6 and 1 score games last year. And now it's just, now it's just, gone too much the other way. I was happy because I have a lot of Broncos overrunners. I was upset because I thought Texans, I just think if Stroud doesn't get hurt,

I think this is a win. I don't know what happened. One thing I will say, they blew a couple deep passes. Their vaunted secondary. Denver got behind them a couple times. And that was the difference because they didn't really do anything else. And then the speaking of the AFC South teams, Steelers Colts, so the Steelers have six turnovers,

which means against the Colts and the Patriots, the Steelers forced 11 turnover. So if you want to talk about full of shit teams, maybe start there with the short passes, and just let's just get a turnover every 40 minutes against teams we're playing. I feel like it would make so much more sense if they played in New Orleans

and we're just like the official voodoo Steelers where we're like, oh, there's some actual voodoo shit going on. Aaron Rogers, injures his hand before the game. The line doesn't move, but then it does move. Yeah. Very weird. The Colts are up 7-0. Stealers are doing nothing.

Stewards punt. punt bounces hits the Colts kick punt returner and rolls right to a steward and that was it you're like oh okay

here we go here this is by the way that happens three times a year yeah when the dumb kick returner

just stand for some reason just is like hey there's the ball it's right next to me and gets hit by it and that's fucking it's over yeah

that was it I don't how much less do you think of Daniel Jones I know he was due for something like this but then the team was I'm still okay with them

I still would be very surprised if they blew that division so they're outdoors minus 240 they're playing the voodoo stealers Jones looked like 2004 Giants Jones I mean he was bad

it wasn't just the turnovers he was actually like just bad the whole game like he missed he had Pierce open on a deep one once that he's been hitting all year and overthrew it and he just was not the guy from the first couple months.

I was rooting against them even though I had money on them by like 11.15 because I started thinking about the Pats on the one seed. I really started thinking about it. I got excited about it. What a great world.

Indy, rest of the way, Atlanta by week, at KC, home Houston, at Jacksonville, at Seattle, San Francisco, Jacksonville, at Houston. So Houston twice and then at KC at C. Seattle. So they're 7 and 2.

12 and 5 is conceivable. I don't think anything higher than that. Yeah, no. I think... 13 and 4, 12 and 5, somewhere in there? Maybe 11. Maybe 11. But, yeah, I don't... They can't blow it. Mine is 240. I'm just trying to look at these other odds. I wouldn't take any other team to seal that division. I would not either. Well, and then we have... Well, we should talk about the Seahawks quickly because they just absolutely destroyed Washington. They're 6 and 2. Could be 8, no. they were first in DVOA heading into this game

and this was the best game they put all year. Donald's on a heater. You look at their schedule the rest of the way. Their toughest road game is at Chargers in two weeks. All's not going to probably be playing in that. At San Francisco to end the season or at Atlanta, it's a pretty cream-puffy schedule. And I think there's a real case now for them to be the one-seed.

Do they have one-seat odds for them yet? They're very solid. I mean, they're not even favorite to win the division. Yeah, they're plus 150. Plus 150 for division? For the division, yeah. I don't think they have. They don't have the one seed bet?

Yeah, then you. Oh, they do? Yeah, they're plus 470 for the one seed. Man, they look great tonight. Rams are plus 380. I think they're better than the Rams, personally. I think so, too. If on a neutral field, I would pick the Seahawks.

I don't know. But is Washington a team like we should be, first of all, we should probably I'm okay crossing them off especially with right that's our next cross-off it's Mario to the rest of the year they're not going to get much better right

they have an angry Lions team Broncos Eagles in the next five weeks they have to be a cross-off I had two cross-offs for you actually because I think Arizona's a cross-off now oh you don't even want to see them beat the Cowboys by three touchdowns no because I think I think

the NFC West moving away from them like it has I don't see a scenario where Oh, yeah. They climb back. We basically have to have, they'd have to flip places with one of the three teams, and I don't see it. Right. They'd have to make up three wins because we're going to have at least two from the NFC North.

So I have for cross-offs, Jets, Browns, Tennessee, Miami, New Orleans, Vegas, Cleveland, the Giants, Arizona and Washington. That's 10. Yeah, let's do it. We're almost there. That's fair, right? We're heading in a week 10. We have 10 cross-offs. So it's 22 teams.

And how many teams for 16 spots? 26 spots. Or 14 spots. Yeah, 14 spots. Yeah. They look so damn good, Seattle. And the only good part of the game, really interesting, was Collinsworth. Well, he was like, Donald, you said he was on the heater.

It was like 16 for 16, 17 for whatever he was. And Collinsworth circles the defensive line for Washington. And he's like, do you know how hard it is to have these monsters chasing you? He said, monsters. Monsters? It's like it's a pass for, pass rush. variation, but I'm like, all right, that's just a, that's a speech thing at this point. Yeah, they're so damn good.

Donald, that turned out to be the move of the year. We thought it was going to be a wash and it was going to be an interesting argument over the course of the year, Darnold versus Gino. Yeah. And we were like, oh, we'll be changing our minds on this one nine times. It's like, nope. I was talking about it with someone else. And Darnold and Baker make so many teams look bad for passing on them and free agency, right?

and just not, we're not sticking with them. But imagine if those guys didn't pan out. We'd have two more teams with terrible quarterbacks. Oh, my God. This league would suck so bad. Jesus. I had Seattle to win the division and Denver to win the division before the year.

Looking good. The paths to be a playoff team. Those are my three best ones. And Miami to stink. I guess those are my four best ones. Yeah. I've had some bad ones, though. I had Vegas to make the playoffs.

Not feeling great about that. because they're really, really awful. We were both under on Washington and, yeah. At Arizona to win the division, that was my worst thing. But there's more to come. Don't worry, people. We'll take a break, and then you want to apologize to them. You know what's better than the one big thing?

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Stay in here on YouTube. All right, you wanted to apologize. We wish some luck from Baby Doll Dixon a couple weeks ago. Today, you just have some apologies to hand out. Yeah, I just feel like a lot of people said, F you guys, you're talking too much shit for a week, a month, two months, whatever. I mean, I think J.J. McCarthy's at the top of that list. We're talking about is he even injured? Well, is he coming back?

You know what? Doesn't matter. Hiding an ankle sprain? Yeah. Wentz with a broken torso is better. And I'm going to, I think these are temporary apologies, right? I feel like we could take them back, right? Like you still have to pass the road test,

but pretty damn good. Like if Caleb Williams had blown that game, I was going to say, you know what, J.J. McCarthy is the best quarterback in the NFC North. I take it all back. So I apologize, J.J. McCarthy.

I was, I thought he was all over the place in that game. He was streaky in this, like basically streaky the way some guys are in a season. Right. Over the course of four quarters, there was a couple stretches where he looked awesome. And there were a couple other stretches where he looked like a rookie QB playing his third start, basically, like some ran out of bounds stupidly in one play. But for the most part, I thought he was really solid.

Like, that was a great win combined with the fact that Flores and his defense finally figured out Gough how to, like, bug him. And Gough's one of those where you know 40 minutes in, if you have him in a teaser parley, if the defense is hitting him a certain way. and he starts fucking bounce-passing those passes over the middle. You're like, oh, my God, here we go. Yeah, Flores dialed up a nice plan for golf. I think both teams had five sacks, but the Vikings five sacks were definitely more effective. Like the lions couldn't muster more than 65 yards rushing, I don't think,

and that just screwed Goff. I ended up being a close game, but probably wasn't even that was. It was weird because they came out, good drive, Laporta, Leporta, Leporta, touchdown. It was like, oh, here we go. I can't wait to cross this one off they only ran for 65 yards they were five for 17 on third down

and yet again had another game where multiple guys either limped off the field or were helped off the field and they're five and three it was a team I really battled on whether I wanted to put them in the playoffs or not and I finally kind of begrudgingly got there I had them at like 10 and 7 as a wild card

but this has been kind of the uneven lion season. I think all of us were worried about, right? Yeah, but I wouldn't. A lot of injuries, obviously. I also don't think I'd be betting against them much. You know, there'll be a couple spots, I think, that we're there on the road, and this week's not one of them. But I still think top to bottom.

I was surprised Campbell just didn't have them ready. He had, like, scored 88 points off of buys his last two years. So I thought, like you said, they did come out scoring, but yeah, Flores was the MVP of that game. That was a flash sale line. We talked about it last week. It was, the line was, it felt like two and a half, three points higher than it should be. Right.

And they were dying for anybody to take the Vikings. And we were all like, no, we're actually going to parlay the lions and put them in teases. And we got screwed. What's your next apology? I'm going to say Colston Loveland. Tight end for the bears. You know, we were all like Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren, Tyler Warren. The Bears are nuts for passing on Tyler Warren.

Colston Loveland State saves the game. saves a pick like that that was like one of the i'm going to quit gambling picks the bears can we go over that i just you know i actually took it off the tv because they they did a pick six and they were up 48 to 27 48 to 27 with three minutes left and not realizing that they reviewed the pick six i still don't understand how it wasn't a pick six it was like the guy who the intended receiver breathed on him or something i don't know what what touched the interceptor there. That was ridiculous.

But they called them down. We do this a lot with football where we're like, we watch football every day and the rules seem to just change depending on the situation. That's one where it's like, I watch football every week.

He gathered the ball when he finally caught it and he got up and ran and they always called out a touchdown and why aren't they bringing this back. So anyway, they have to punt. All of a sudden,

Flacco scores. I didn't even know about it until Hensch texted us. Hensch's text like, Flacco has 400 years. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, who gives a shit? So what? Yeah, they're down six with the ball driving. And it would have been one of the worst losses of all the time.

Then it seemed like the Bears were going to win by two and not cover. And then Loveland saves everybody. Amazing. And there's a still of Loveland, like, twisting in the air with three defenders around him. The caption is, he scored on this. Like, he just bulldozed it. Probably should have gone down at the two, like Gunner Stockton did for Georgia Saturday. Then they just kicked the field goal, right?

But thank God he didn't. But by the way, I'm not going to. to, you know, Ben Johnson says don't, and you love those, right? Ben Johnson's my favorite. I seek them out now. I'm like, did he do a post game? You're going to pay him to come to your house. I love it.

Yeah. He's like, this is what we do. It's like, this is what you do? You blow a 41, 27 lead with two minutes left. Yeah. Don't apologize for a win, he tells them. Like, all right, you could maybe apologize for allowing 15 points in 49 seconds. You maybe apologize to giving up 400.

80 passing yards to a guy whose shoulder was so bad, he threw a 40-yard Hail Mary. Right. It's a slight apology. I love his things. But as a gambler, I don't want to get, I feel like I was taking shit. Everyone's like, oh, you got so lucky with that Bears game. Like, it shouldn't have been close.

Like, this is... No, that's a win. That was we should have won that by a three touchstands. It's like saying a guy born without any limbs, it wins a trip to Portoviard on the prices right. It's like, oh, you're so lucky. Like, no. It's so much bullshit going on. Before that, the kickoff return for a touchstance.

down, the block field goal, the on-site kick recovery, 15 points and less than a minute. The interception, like you said, for a touchdown, I was called back. All that wasn't very lucky, so eat it. I'm taking that win. Swift's replacement was awesome. I have him in our ringer fantasy league. Yeah, what did you get in? If you didn't watch football a year or you were in a coma or you were like in outer space

and just landed and watch these games as your first games of the year, you would think that he was like Jonathan Taylor. Like, he was fucking incredible. he was over and over again just doing shit the wrong guy and that's why I that's why I turned it off I'm like he's just running for seven yards a clip and they just need to kill the clock and then Ben Johnson

gave him a game bomb oh he did okay good the yo man I love everybody in this room man it's a great win we gotta keep it going they all say the same things that's unbelievable that's good nobody's ever like nobody ever gets it's like I knew I was better than DeAndre Swift

I've been telling all you motherfuckers all year This is my team Well, the other locker room That was different Like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown Going off on the defense I kind of like it

I kind of like it I really do It's in the running For the worst defense I've ever seen Yeah It's now many many games Ripping off 10 10 yard plays over and over again

I had Caleb in fantasy Who had 40.5 points In our league that we care about That's nice Monagale had 198 total yards the Bears ran for 283 Flacco at 470 for 14es

I think the I think the Bengals are the most entertaining team in the league now like if they can play another shitty team it's going to be a 4037 should they play the Cowboys leading up to the Super Bowl like the morning of the Super Bowl like a Saturday game

that would be great the morning of yeah yeah making like a hundred billion dollar game get Netflix to do it yeah Who do you have next? Let's see.

Who else do I have? Oh, did he? I mean, he's going to be out of jail soon. That's great. How did he do it? We'll never doubt him again. What a legend. Oh, you know what?

This is Dunmondby. I'm going to apologize to YouTube TV. I don't know why. I didn't know you could customize the four box. Why didn't I? I'm sitting there like a forensic scientist in a lab trying to match up screens. You didn't know you could just do to press the thing? Oh, my God.

That's all I do. This is great. This is unbelievable. This is a game changer. And I apologize for anything I've said to YouTube TV. I've gotten the point where I like for good luck putting the paths on the bottom left. Oh, really? So I'll just,

I'll keep moving the multi-views, like trying to do it until I finally get the paths on the bottom left. And then I'm an idiot. Bad job by me. I don't know why I did that. And I'll apologize. I have an apology. Can I do an apology? Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah. I'd like to apologize to Mike Tomlin. Really? Two weeks in a row betting against him. at home in Pittsburgh as an underdog I should have known I should have known

he was going to do all the dumb dumb stealer shit that they do all the time like I just I should have known it was it looked too easy Daniel Jones on grass this was like the exact type of situation

Tomlin loves they were just going to get six turnovers out of nowhere I just should have known he's just this is who he is he's going to be this guy until he's like 70 just winning game

They're always going to go 9 and 8 or 10 and 7. I don't know why I went under with them. It doesn't matter who's on the team. They can have a 42-year-old QB. They can have a defense that gives up 20 straight passes the week before. They're always going to be fine. They always going to go 9 and 8 or 10 and 7. Well, 9 and 8 was still under, wasn't it?

Wasn't it 9.5? There were 8.5 this year. Oh, right. That's right. If you wanted to go over the list. All right, what's your last apology? One more. I just have nerd clusters.

They're fantastic. I laughed at them. I'm like, you kids are wasting your time with these nerd clusters. They're all of a sudden. Have you had them? They're my favorite non-chocolate candy now. They've grown on me. Is that what Brad threw on our ribs?

He just did regular nerds, but they have these clusters now. It's like in a gummy. You haven't had this? You're not living right. You're just, you're just, you're just, unhealthy. Yeah, of course it's unhealthy. Look at me.

Okay. We can be a healthy cat cats lately. Been out of a Kit Kat run. Oh, that's your thing? Kit Katz are really good. Well, my wife bought Halloween candy and bought the bigger Kit Katz. Yeah. Can I tell you something?

I think bigger Kit Katz are so much better than the smaller ones. And I think it has to do with the ratio. They must. I think the ratio of whatever is perfect. There's more chocolate in the bigger ones. On the big ones. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm like, okay, good. Pat's Falcons, Pats win, don't cover. All the Pats fans were worried about this game. And yet the Pats were up 217 driving before halftime. at the at midfield it was like 25 seconds left it felt like 24 to 7 minimum and then may get sacked fumbled falcons come back down didn't even get sad it was such a wuss play just gave the ball up almost like a it's wrong with that guy he's not that good but go ahead yeah he's on pace for 4,400 yards

and 34 TDs and eight picks and breaking the completion record completion completion percentage record. He actually would have the record all time in history of the NFL right now. I just can't believe this. I can't, I really can't believe we're doing this. Like years later, like you should have had to suffer like a Cleveland Browns.

I did suffer. We suffered for half a decade. What do you want from us? Please. Half a decade and then you should have been able, you should have stayed with Mac Jones. Like, you shouldn't go half a decade and now have, you know, junior goat here. It's just so stupid. Well, you got sacked 12 times in two weeks.

Yeah. And was under real duress. And there's some issues with this Pats team, which we've known. But they are seven and two. They are going to, I think, be a playoff team just because they're scheduled. And they do have the trade deadline coming up with like $48 million under the cap. They need a pass rusher. They need another receiver.

The game flipped today, not because that fumble, but because booty got hurt. And all of a sudden, the Pats had nobody getting open. Diggs is still like on a snap count. Yeah. So it's like Pop Douglas. It's Kyle Williams. the rookie receiver who every time May throws to him, either Williams

gets crossed up with May or vice versa. He's never in the right spot. And basically they're just throwing the tight ends and throwing swing passes. I thought they were really lucky to win the game. Drake London was killing them. The worst Gonzalez has looked all season. He is tough one on. One is dominant.

Very tough to cover that guy. They shut down Bijan. I think of Pennix was really up and down, but it came down and they missed an extra point. Yeah, you get to play all the bad teams with all the bad coaches

and all bad quarterbacks and all the bad kickers so it's hard to lose and you're going to have AJ Brown against Tampa next week I don't think it would be AJ Brown but I am looking at those

Dolphins guys that Jalen Phillips Hendrickson would be great the Bengals lost again I don't think the Raiders will trade Max Crosby nah but look at you

the rich get richer here with this team do you think Vrable a two to one for coach of the year is a better bet than maybe for MVP because he's sneaking up there

Brable. It's Steichen. It's either Brable or Steichen, right? Yeah, so that's who you have to be down. Does that come down and who has a better record? That's who wins Coach of the Year? I think if you win the division and, you know, well, I don't know. This is some

schedule. I had Brable at plus $750. You do? That's good. From before the year. I picked that in our futures draft, too. Oh, no. One more thing I'm going to lose? Terrific. You had some good ones in the future.

You forgot who I had. Yeah. I had one stupid thing. You know, I think the Pats are missing a couple. I think they have a real chance to do something in January and maybe win a playoff game or two. But the offensive line is becoming real concerning. Like, Will Campbell got worked a couple times. Like, he got, like, just shoved backwards into May a couple times, which I have not.

I don't remember seeing that before. They never reminded her it either. Quickly, do we care about 4-9ers Giants? Dayball being first coach fired? Probably not. No, I'll say is, we just need to be smarter about some stuff. Like, we need to start respecting our cross-off teams and treating them as cross-off teams. And when you could bet against them getting two and a half points, just go for it,

especially since San Francisco was one of our playoff teams. Like, how do we think this is all going to work out if we're not? How do you bet the Niners when you don't even know who's playing for them? I know. I know, but the Giants had worse injuries, it turns out. Although now San Francisco lost someone else too. But, yeah, they heard us loud and clear about being the seventh seed, and they just demolish that team.

Jags Raiders, Jags win don't cover. They win an O.T. They win because they score in overtime. Another weird overtime thing. They take like seven minutes. Even though they basically took the kickoff almost to midfield. Then they were just doing 40. seconds of play. They go down in the red zone. Nothing has been more excited this year than watching

the Jaguars execute plays inside the 10-yard line. They had a pick in the end zone in the first half. They actually scored. Raiders come back down. They score, but they don't get the two-point because instead of throwing to Brock Bowers, who had 12 catches, 127 yards, and three TDs and was running a mock. They were like, no, no, no, we're going to have Gino try to hit Tyler Lockett over the defensive line. There's no way this will get tipped. And they lose. We knew we were on a text chain like, this is 30-29, as the Raiders got the ball. There's no question. They're going to over-thinking.

You said it was weird overtime. I thought that was the perfect. That is exactly how it should be. One team gets it, goes six or seven minutes, scores. The other team has a shot as three or four minutes, scores, and goes for two. I would go 12 minutes. I love that. I know.

I just think that worked out one possession each. That said, I thought this game should not have been in the late window. It should have been in a cricket stadium and proxious. at 3 a.m. Pacific time. I have three questions coming on this game. Would you like a rule of addendum that if you score the first TD in overtime, the first team to have the ball,

they score a touchdown? If they go for two and get it, the game's over. Oh, no, I still want both teams touching the ball. It's not fair. The defenses are exhausted. It's not fair. One team wins a coin toss and the other team doesn't get it. But I get what you're saying.

whatever avoids a tie is best. Here's my next question. Is Pete Carroll the new Clapper or is he the new Joe Biden? Oh, wow. Because it's one or the other. Because he's on the sideline. He's not really, doesn't seem like he's doing that much coaching. His mouth's kind of open and he's just doing this like, he is chewing gum or he just kind

of has that vacant look. Shoes come hard. It's a lot of clapping. A lot of clapping. I know. I feel bad for him. I mean, he's sitting there watching. and 68-yard field goals,

and he must be like, what the fuck? This is not my day and age, my game here. I mean, before we're going to win that game. It does speak to how well-like Pete Carroll was and how disliked Bill Belichick is,

that they're basically in the same situation in college and pros. Yeah, well, if he had a 24-year-old girlfriend, I think it might be a little different story. But they covered, I'm proud of them. Did you, and I'll say this, Bowers makes them watchable. Like, has a tight end ever,

but has a tight end ever made an unwatchable? team watchable, just a tight end? I don't remember. I have them in all my fantasy leagues. He was awesome against the pads. He got hurt. They played him hurt for like three weeks, then stop playing him. Right. And now he's like great again. Like it was like... That touchdown

was phenomenal. He's fine. He was like an absolute beast. Right. And they were throwing into him, throwing into him, throwing into him, throwing into him to the point. And he was like, hey man, don't get this guy hurt again. Like 12 catches is enough. Like, how many... What is he going to have? 17? Was Russ Francis, your guy, like,

With the Patriots, but the Patriots were bad, but you watch because of Russ Francis. Like, I'm trying to figure out another. We were good. We were good in 76 all the way through. We were favored to win the AFC every year, basically. Really? Yeah. We had Russ Francis.

We had Stanley Morgan and Daryl Stingley and Herald Jackson. The Raiders and the Steelers. What are you talking about? There was a year where we were favored to win the AFC. Yeah, 2009. No, 1978, maybe? Really? One of those years.

Yeah. we were like... Like when Denver, what? We almost made the Super Bowl in 76. We got robbed in the Raiders game. We were good. All right. I'm trying to think of another tight end that made a team great.

That wasn't... Not great, but watchable. Hmm. I'll come off with it. Kellyn Winslow. That team was good, though. Gonzales. Good team.

Ben Coates? Maybe. One more thing for that game. 68-yard field goal. We've talked about this before. not even a blip. I don't even think made Sports Center

that somebody broke the record by two yards. So I think 75 yards has to be the number that people would actually be impressed by at this point. 168, it's bouncing off people.

70, I don't even think people would care. 75, we're like, oh, wow, that's long. 75. Yeah, I want this to go up the record one per year for the rest of my life.

So 101 yards would be... 100.1. I'm not going another 33 years, no. But I forgot, if I got another 15, 16 years. Matter of you, nerd clusters. 84-yard field goal is what I want to see. Yeah, but you're right. Like, there were only three games played in that late window.

And the guy kicked their 68-yard field goal. And it was like, all right, well, if we get to it, we get to it. There should never be less than four games in the late window. Right. They should have moved the Houston game. I thought the Colt Steelers would move. Or Colt Steelers. But they wanted so many, they wanted all the eyes, the CBS.

eyes on Buffalo, Casey. Ram Saints, nothing to report here except Stafford is the MVP candidate of the week. That'll be a story tomorrow. Stafford. Why is new the MVP? Last year is Jonathan Taylor this week. It'll be Stafford. Plus 500. It's moving up. Chargers, Titans.

Herbert, eight picks this year and a couple really bad ones. It's like year five for him. He just doesn't care. I don't think. He is just slinging it. It's Brett Farbish, I think. I got to be honest, I didn't have this on this is the one that kicked until it got close to the spread

at the end. I had this on instead of Packer again. Chargers to be a sneaky fall out of the playoffs team. Right now they're six and three. There's three seven and two teams. Chargers are six and three. Buffalo is six and two. Chargers rest of the way,

Pittsburgh at home. They're road games at Jacksonville, at Casey, at Dallas, at Denver. And they also Philly and Houston in L.A. And if their offensive line is going to look like it did in the second half of the game and how it's looked without Joe Alte, I think this is a team that could drop out. You don't think they can get four?

I think that go from six and three to nine and eight seems conceivable. Really? All right. So let's see. I don't know. Three more wins here. Fandle agrees with you. Minus 225. So they're right there. Ten wins, we think? Yeah. That has to be A. see that you can't get in with nine

I don't think. I think it has to be 10. No, I don't think nine. So I think four wins is going to be hard for them. They're done with the Raiders? When they play KC, KC's going to need the game. Definitely. When they play Denver in week week 18,

that might be Denver playing for like the one seat. Like they're going to give a shit about that. Philly. So it'll come down to Pittsburgh. If they lose to Pittsburgh next week, I think they So that's Sunday night. We're going to go over this in a second, but it's Sunday night, and it's going to be 80% Steelers fans.

Yeah. All right. One more break for the pod. We'll keep going on YouTube. Guest Alliance, week 10, I'm up 6'3. Yeah, you're up 6'3.

Buy weeks. Cincinnati, they need time to figure out a defensive plan. If they're ever going to trade Trey Hendrickson, this is the week, right? He doesn't have a long-term contract. Teams go nowhere.

How are you going to? pay him when you already paid your receivers in borough why not try to get like a second or a third for him no doubt or maybe he'll just drive off a cliff take the easy way out poor guy cincy Tennessee Casey and your team Dallas you get a week off from not watching them

so excited Thursday night Broncos home for the Las Vegas Raiders the Broncos are almost definitely going to be 8 and 2 on Thursday night I have Broncos by nine I had ten and a half and it's nine and a half

oh you get that shit I got excited for a second because I can't do math I know what you're thinking can they just rest Brock Bowers for that game for fantasy reasons or if they're down 10 just not play them anymore

I need Brock Bowers in week 15 and 16 don't get hurt in this game Brock Bowers take it easy Gino's going to take it easy. We know that. Gino's just doesn't have it anymore. There's just basic passes like over the middle where he'd one pass in the second half.

The guy's cutting across the middle. And if he leads him a little, I think it would have been a touchdown. But he throws it behind the guys to fall down and catch it. It's just a lot of those. He just doesn't have it anymore. It's too bad. Germany game. Colts Falcons.

Pretty good game. yeah are you know i feel like there's gendell like germany more than england that's my takeaway from this year i think gendell's going to be like hey we didn't realize these teams were going to be decent at this point we'd like to um fuck take a rain check we'll send you something else hey the jets are playing the browns we'll send you that instead let's get started another world war england's like what the hell germany yeah colts neutral field i have in bagas seven and a half over the falcons Oh, is this going to be one of these days? I had five, it's six and a half.

Oh. So what does that mean if it was Indianapolis? It would be Colts by eight? Well, what was your team? Your team opened at five and a half at home, right? The Colts are, right? It went down to four and a half. But the Colts are power ranked a couple points better than Patriots.

I guess that makes sense. Yeah. If we were playing the Falcons on a neutral field, that would have been like three or three and a half. Right, right. Yeah, I think that's fair. You just don't know what Atlanta team's ever going to show up here. Sunday's marquee game.

We did it, Sal, we're back. You made it. The Patriots are in the Sunday marquee game. No argument. They're sending Nancy Romo and Tracy Woodson. Romo's going to do the okay, Jim, here we go. Here we go, Jim. Drink me.

Do you think he had to pay the Howard Letterman's estate? Is Howard Letterman still alive for that? Okay, Jim. I have Larry Holmes four rows to two. I love Harold Letterman. Oh, he's great. I have this as a hardcore Tick-Tac game. Bucks minus one and a half at home against the New England Patriots.

Good. I get this one from me. I said three. It is two and a half. Oh, look how insulted. you are. Well, so how healthy are the buck's going to be? Well, I mean, you're playing them at their best spot, right? It's off a buy, right? Yeah, they were off this year. I don't know how healthy.

This guillotine league that we're in, which I've really enjoyed. It's the best. Everyone do a guillotine league. It's so much better. I just want to say it's like the scramble you have to make to add-drop players every week. Whereas in your other leagues, there's, no players on the waiver wire. Yeah, because every time somebody gets voted out,

yeah, you get their players. Or you get to bidding frenzy, right. So I tried to gamble this year and tried to not spend a lot of our $1,000 budget on free agents and just tried to patch it together week after week, hoping if we could get to like week 10, I'd have more money than everybody else. Right. And today I had Caleb Williams, who had 38.7 points and single-handly carried me. I have Bucky Irving, Mayfield, and Enoch Buch on the bench.

And I'm more than everyone else. I'm starting to get ideas. And there's only four bench players, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's pretty good. I'm starting to get ideas. Good. I hope they light up your Patriots next week.

You'll be happy. Well, Bucky Irvin, I think, will be back, right? They were saying it looks decent that he's back, yeah. Yeah, I haven't a bunch of leagues, too. This is a tough, I, you know, obviously the Pats have won a few in a row here. You could lose one here. What is it? Six in a row?

and six in a roll against the spread? Just enough. It's enough. Let the other kids have a shot. I do think they're going to make a trade. I really do. I think they're going to add somebody important. I think they're going to add an impact guy.

I think the AFC is wide open. And they know what they need. They need a pass rusher. If they got an awesome linebacker, probably not conceivable. But yeah, offensive line, everybody's looking for that, whatever. Pass rusher and an extra receiver they need.

It's going to be Vita Vaya, taken right off the Tampa roster, throwing right in there. I take the head Sunday. Watchables, I only got one. Rams at San Francisco. I have the Rams favored by three points. Yeah, I said one and a half.

It is, it's three exactly. No, it's three and a half, but you get it. Three and a half it went to. Probably Purdy for this? I mean, you keep saying that. Probably every Sunday night, we've said probably Purdy, but Mac Jones looked good today. I don't want him to come back.

No, no, he looked okay. Did these teams play already? Yeah, they played that Thursday night game, right? Oh, yeah, they beat them. Yeah. So bigger game for the Rams, because they need to split this with the Niners or else. Yeah. Okay.

That's our last watchable. Sorry, Sal. Is that really it? We have four fairly watchables. Ravens at Minnesota? Yeah, that was the close. Would you put that in a watchable? I guess that should be in a watchable.

right. That's fair. Vikings play good enough. Yeah. I think that's fair. I don't put that in there. I have the Ravens favored in that game by one and a half. Oh, I said four and a half. It is three and a half. Really? Yeah, really. So we're just all in on the Ravens as a contender again, even though they're... I think you have to be. Three and five, really? Because they look good against Miami Dolphins who'd fired their GM.

in the next day and should have already fired their coach and bench their quarterback. We're just back. I think it's too God, it wasn't against good teams, but it was all about the defense, right? Is this team going to allow 40 a game? Did you see the montage of all the terrible Tua passes? I actually watched that on ESP in the next time.

I was having coffee. They showed a montage of the all 22 of Tua just missing guys. It was like six passes. He's great. He was really good. He'll be on. He'll be on good.

morning football in two years? Maybe that's one of the guys you trade for. You got a lot of money. Good backup. Fairly watchables. Three then. Texans, home for the Jaguars. I would have had this a watchable, but I'm going to guess C.J. Stroud doesn't play in this game, right?

I can't say that. The concussion is usually you get scratched for a week. Right. So knowing that, I'm going to say Texans by two and a half at home. him against the Jaguars. All right. I ease this one. I said one,

it's one and a half. Okay. That'll move around a bunch, though, right? I thought ETN was really good today. Yeah, he did everything but score. I haven't been fantasy. He really had a huge impact on that game. Michael, Brian Thomas got hurt.

Brian Thomas had an awesome play over the middle, ran for 40 yards, it got hurt. It was just when it was like, here he comes, he's back. Seahawks home for the Cardinals. Wow. I did these guesses in the afternoon, and I guess Seahawks by six and a half. I'm bumping that to seven.

Seahawks by seven. It's six and a half. I lose it. I had eight. No, you won it. I had eight. I thought that should be higher. I don't know.

Arizona, short week, going to Seattle. So you're playing them tomorrow, and there's a weird Brissette, Kyler-Murray thing happening. where Kyle and Murray is available, but not starting. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's seasons on the line. You know, Kyle Murray is 9-0 at AT&T Stadium. He won like a schoolboy tournament there and he won his high school thing.

I'm aware. Yeah. It seems like they don't want him to play because if he does well, then they're kind of stuck with him for the rest of the year because he played well in this Monday night football game in Dallas. Interesting. So they would rather play Berset, maybe try to win any. anyway, but then they don't have this Kyler thing.

I just think it's weird if he's available to play and you're not playing him. Like, if Drake May was available to play, we would play Drake May. Right. I think it's exactly that. Like, Preset, anyone should look good, right? They don't want Kyler Murray anymore.

It's a John Moran situation. It's a Cowboys defense, yeah. Yeah. Brissette almost beat the Colts in Indy. So it might not be that bad. Third watch, fairly watchable. This might be a poop fact of Daniel. is out.

Lions, Washington. I got to change my pick on this. Even though it's in Washington. How many points am I allowed to bump it up? Three. I'll bump mine three. You bump yours three. All right.

I had minus six for the lion, so I'll bump it to minus nine. Plus not, yeah. It's, you get it. Shit, it's eight and a half. I said six and a half. That was dumb. Dumb.

Five to three, you're up. Teaser? Oh, you love Detroit. Detroit and Denver so far. Let's keep going. You'll find another. Denver? I do like those too.

We're not going to screw us two weeks in a row. Come on. That does. Broncos over the Raiders just to win by three. And then the Lions to win by three. DJ Mikey Mac staying for the rest of the year DJ It's going to be spinning his records for

seven more weeks here I have Bills by nine over the Dolphins. I had nine and a half. I got this exactly. Nine and a half it is. So there you go. Who screws that up? Bills just to be Miami.

Detroit just to be Washington. Is it wrong that I'm still scared of Miami after that Falcons game? Extended rest. They're home. They played them tough when they played on that Thursday night, right?

They covered. Yeah. Yeah, you shouldn't be scared. I got to ask you, how many wins did the dolphins end up with? Because I may or may not have multiple win total unders at six and a half and four and a half and three and a half

on them for the season. Oh, man. Right now they have two wins. They have two, right? They play the bills, so that's a loss. They play the commanders in Madrid. Saints home,

at Jets, at Steelers, Bengals home, Bucks, at Patriots, six seems improbable, right? Jets and Bengals, they have to split that for you to sweep the board here. Four and 13, I win, I think, every bet I made, except one that was... Good for you, yeah. Don't get beat by the Jets. Or get beat by the Jets.

At Pats, Week 18. Oh, two seed that doesn't care? Oh, boy. I'll be able to hedge it. All right. Poop Fecta. Bears home for the Giants. We don't apologize for wins.

We're three and one in the second quarter. Thanks, Coach. I wasn't planning on it. You apologize to the dry cleaner? Who is he supposed to apologize to it? He might need a sedative before those speeches. He's like too jacked up. He gets too fired up.

I think Caleb Williams should paint his nails before every game. Just calm him down a little. I thought Caleb was pretty good today. Yeah. But then I kept remembering that he was playing the Bengals. Yeah. You just had to keep remembering. It was like watching one of your sons play a video game,

but it's on the all-ro rookie level. And you're like, wow, Harrison's doing really well in this game. And it's like the easiest level possible. You know what he was good at, though? Like, all right, the guy's wide open. Sure, the secondary sucks. He was pretty nifty in the pocket. Like, he really was.

A bunch of times I thought he was going to get sacked. And that, like, to me, that's not all the front seven's fault. You know, they had a paw on him a bunch, but he was good escaping. I had him on two of my fantasy teams and had very high hopes for him in that Bengals game. Yeah. The Bengals defense might be the first defense we've had in a while where you just want to start whatever quarterback is going against them. I think I guaranteed 25 fantasy points. Flacco is just, you see it in his face.

It's just exhausted. These guys just want to kill all the. defended. What did they score? Like, 38, two games in a row. The only team to lose both games after scoring 30, ever. That doesn't seem right. Cowboys will do it.

Jets Browns in New Jersey. This, I mean, this is like first pick. This is first pick in the draft, maybe. Oh, you think? Like, no, just it's in the, like, Jets, Brown, Saints. Those are probably three of the. Titans, no?

And Titans. But I thought the Titans are pretty encouraging against the Chargers. I had that game on. I thought they looked alright. They just had a good start. They had a couple big fluky plays.

Can't more look good in that game. Yeah. I have Jets minus one and a half at home. You nailed it. I thought tick-tac, but I really, I don't know why I thought the Browns would be favored by one-and-half.

One-and-a-half. I'm really worried I'm going to put this in Ringer 107 as a Browns plus one-and-a-half. Right. Because you always love... Like just their defense. Gabriel on the road. You always love it.

Well, that's why I hope I don't do that. But I just keep thinking of the Brown's defense against the Jets. It just sounds delicious. Would this be a fun one to put your door in if you were ever going to try them out? In New York. Big, good game, right? The Sanders family needs something. Dion's getting annihilated in Colorado.

Panthers home against the Saints with a chance to go six and four. They were over under with six and a half. I have the Panthers by three and a half. I said five and a half, so we split that. It's four and a half. No. The Saints can't be on the road getting less than to a five one team. I'm not sure the Saints are going to win again.

Yeah. The Mother Shockers didn't have a ton. Sunday night, Chargers, Steelers, in L.A. With, there's going to be a lot of Staylor's fans. Yeah. A lot. Like a lot. Mm-hmm.

And I have the Chargers by two and a half. You edge me out here. I said two, and it's three. Did you win again? Five, six, seven, eight, one, two, three, four, five. That's it. No, we got to lend an egg in. We didn't do Giants, Bears, did we?

Did we pick it? I guess we talked about it and didn't actually pick it. Yeah. Bears home for the Giants. I had bears by five and a half. Yeah, I had five and it's three and a half. Oh, so you win that one. I don't think that's enough, though.

One, two, three, four, five, six, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. What happened? We ran out of games. These teams can't be on buys. I need more games here. I'm sorry. One again. Sunday night, Chargers, Steelers.

Yeah, we did it. No, I know, but it just, let's do it again. A lot of Aaron Rogers, uh, in primetime games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And it seemed dubious before the year, but they've actually been pretty entertaining.

This works out. Monday night, Packers, Eagles. Sorry, before I move on, they are going to have to move Washington out. Washington's got some prime slots here. They play in Denver on Sunday night football. Can you bounce a Madrid game? A Madrid game against the Dolphins.

That's pretty bad, Washington against Miami. might that might just instead of a loser leaves town there might be a loser stays here match yeah loser just has to stay in the globe yeah oh man hey madrid we hope you guys like football here's two at tagliaboa and marcus marriota we hope you like this good luck pronouncing their names and then watching yeah so they have washington's on that i mean at all those TV games you listed, the Christmas one's probably the biggest 10th. Oh, yeah. That's a really tough one. Yeah. Because that's one of those where you don't, you're not going to the streamer

intentionally. Right. You're not like stumbling across that one. All right. Sunday night, or Monday night, we have Packers Eagles, which I mentioned. I have Packers in Green Bay favored by two and a half. All right. Well, you, so you win anyway. I said two. It is two and a half. and watch the Packers be great and we're talking about how they're the best team in the league again because they look past the Panthers.

Let's all agree not to do that again. They burned our trust too many times. I don't get it. I don't get it. I also think if you wear like 1920s outfits, you're destined to play that way a little bit. You're going to go three yards a clip and then you're going to get stuck on fourth down

and that's that. Not to step on Parent Corner, but the Packers are like my son where it's like... When are you going to be home? I'm going to be home at 3.30. Let's hang out. And then he comes home at like 7.30.

It's like, I'll go to be home at 3.30. Oh, yeah. Right. I went there instead. Now I'm home. And after a while, when he gives me a time, I just don't believe it until he actually walks through the front door. The times of the spreads.

Should we guess, like what time Ben's? I don't trust the Packers at all anymore. The Packers is like, we're going to win. We're taking this seriously. We're going for the Super Bowl. Cool. Yeah. I don't trust you.

I think that should be added to a line. All right? Ben says he's going to be. I'm at 3.30. All right, Bill, what did you pick? Sounds like 725. I put 515. Ooh, you get it.

I picked 630. He's a good one today. He said 1.30 and he came home at 5.30, which is anytime he can be an extra 4. And there's always a weird excuse, too. Yeah. Always something with like the girlfriend. We didn't realize we had to study. It's always that we didn't realize.

He's like a mattress delivery company. He gets a four-hour window, right? Spectrum cable. Right. Be there between 9 and 1. All right. That's it for Guest Alliance. I'm sorry,

I'm sorry, Screw you. We do have, we do have a, I don't have the parent corner. I guess I'll have to do that read. I don't have the read for that. See, this is what are going to do.

We're live on YouTube. We'll just have to insert it in after the fact. Parent Corner, go ahead. Let's see where you got. All right. So, We're trying to raise funds for Cooperstown, which is the end of July, right? So this is my 12-year-old Harrison's team goes up there, and it costs like a lot of money,

so we want to offset a few of the costs. So one of the parents runs a little league, actually, and has access to fields and was nice enough to throw a fundraiser where all eight-year-old teams from all over the area would come and play, and the 12-year-olds, Harrison and his buddies, would umpire, right? So they had to go through some slight training, but they, you know, whatever. They're bumping eight-year-old games. So it's okay. So Harrison's going to hump four games this weekend.

So two yesterday, two today. And I'm not going to watch him up two games, right? There's too much college football for me to bet on. You were expected as a parent to watch him be an umpire? I don't think so. But he had to get there and had to pick him up. So when I picked him up, I caught the end of his second game. And he did fine.

Like he didn't screw up, right? You know, it was just two close plays at first. And that was it. and then he went back today and my wife Melissa was in charge of it so I get home from watching games today and she says to me she's like I was like how did he do today

she's like well I thought he did well but one of the fathers was complaining about a couple of his calls I was like what? I was like you were watching and you saw this she's like yeah he was pissed at his kids team lost and he's like well we probably would have won if there weren't so many botched calls and I was like

well he was probably kidding around did he know Harris he's like no he wasn't kidding And I said, well, did you say anything to him? She's like, no, he's an idiot. And I said, well, who was it? And he says, I don't know. I think Michelle knows who it is. I'm like, well, tell Michelle to tell me who the fuck it is.

Because now I got to, who the hell is going off on a 12-year-old umpire in an eight-year-old game? She's like, well, he didn't yell anything. He was just very vocal. And I'm like, yeah, that's enough if he was vocal and like pointing out my son. Like, that's weird. So she's like, well, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'll think of something. And so I said to Harrison, I'm like, what happened?

He's like, dad, I was right about both. calls. The runner came off the base. He came off second base. Twice, it happened, like, within an inning, and I called them out. I was, like, right there. So I was, like, really pissed off. I don't know what I'm going to do. But, you know, Michelle, if you're listening, I want names. I want to find out. I need to know who this is. And then I realized, like, an hour before the podcast, I'm like, this was me four years ago. So what can I really do here? It's all coming full circle. Yeah, it really is. Such a mess. I still want to. his name. I still can't believe you haven't been in a near altercation on the sidelines.

Keep waiting and see that on teams. Would that be great? Would that be just the best to catch that? I would love it. Didn't what's her name get arrested for that? Janice Soprano. Wasn't that an episode? I look at the soccer game. Remember a million parent corners ago? My wife got into it with some older lady who was the grandmother of another team and was going off on the lady. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, grandmothers are they're rough. They are really, they get in there. Well, I found the sponsor, by the way. Today's parent corner is brought to you by Workday.

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when they get Tateen it's it's different than when you have a daughter that gets with the sons it's like you just start thinking of all the miscalls where they may not have made it Tateen right the times they almost bled to death or you know the time when they fell or they almost fell down the stairs or they dropped a rock on their foot they it's weird it's it's not exactly uh you're not just thinking uh it's not like a hallmark card it's just miscalls uh but we had a party and then then my son was supposed to be home today to help clean up after backyard, some stuff out there, and instead took his girlfriend to breakfast, and then somehow ended up back at her place, and then told us that she got him as one of his birthday gifts, a puppy yoga session. You familiar with these? What is that? So this is something, this is like an LA thing that's pretty cool. funny actually, but I've never, I've never done it. I'm going to hate this. What is it? It's

in Burbank. It's you relax, stretch and cuddle puppies in a unique yoga experience. So that's what my son was doing at some point today. And he was supposed to come home at 1.30 to clean up and came home when it was dark at 5.30 and then immediately started making himself food. And I was like, you're going to clean up in the back. And he said, Dad, I haven't eaten yet. And I was just like, happy birthday. I'm glad he made a Taitan. He's now, like, more like a roommate. Right. I would say more, less like a son, more like a roommate that we're running out a studio,

one bedroom apartment to in the second floor of our house. Yeah. And he just kind of comes in and you have to go in and you have to go like, hey, hey, the cable bill, it's, you know, we got to pay the last two months. I just need a check or you can go to Benmo me. Yeah, yeah, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Yeah, happy 18 to Ben.

I'm going to, I have to hit him up. I'm going to contact him because you're not focused on the right thing. You want him to clean the fucking backyard. Who cares? He should not be doing puppy yoga. He can't do it. He can't. This is a gift your girlfriend gives you.

Puppy yoga club. You say, thank you. I'm going to go. And then you lie to it or say you went and it was great. But you don't need to do it again. But they went together. They probably went together. Yeah, they went together.

Oh, Ben. All right. Puppy yoga. we went through a lot of the college app process and which i know you went through with uh with archie and it's just so different than when we were applying to college a million years ago yeah there's like early decision there's early action there's the common app there's these essays but then there's like these 200 word little mini essays where they tie it to what school what what how do you see something like specific to the school and all these right little things that

and they try to flip stuff around and try to find out more of you. I was thinking about how haphazard it was when you were going to college. Oh, it didn't matter. He was like, where are you applying? I don't know,

these schools. And then it's like, yeah, there's like an essay. And then you got to send them a transcript. 50 bucks. And get two teachers. Right.

Yeah. Does he have regrets? Does he have anything carries yelling at him saying, I told you you should have worked here or you should have volunteered here because that's a lot. Well, no,

it's actually, it worked out great because he's writing a 650 word essay about how the puppy yoga class. changed his life. Good. Rejected. How puppy yoga taught me a more sensitive side of myself.

I want to do it now. It sounds great. I got to, maybe I should have brought him on. Don't fucking do it. Let's, you know, we don't have to be that gritty,

but come on. Speaking of parent quarter, yeah, my daughter's in the playoffs next week for soccer. Oh, nice. And had a great season, and it was really fun to watch her. the Div 3 athletes cross the board.

There's a lot of colleges. These kids are 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 grad school students. They're doing all their stuff. And then on the side, also playing for these teams and they're committed to it. And it's just cool. Like I really think like for if you care about sports, like the D3 athletes putting in the time when they don't really have to. You know, it's not like they're going to school for scholarship and it's almost like a job. been there, they made a commitment.

Like, this is a little different. Are you going out there for it? Of course I'm going out there. Yeah. Come on. Do you feel like she gets more nervous or, I mean, I'm sure she's appreciating. She likes when I go. Maybe 10 years ago would have been more nervous.

Oh, really? Look at you. You're all grown up. Nice. No, I just go. I have my little spots. I don't do the pacing. Right.

And it's really fun. This is it. Second or last year ever. If for whatever reason, there's a 12-year-old ref, take it easy on them, right? There might be a 12-year-old ref for the round one playoff game. We'll see. Anyway, good luck to Emerson. Good luck to everybody in the puppy yoga class.

That's a baby doll, good luck, by the way. That was today's paracorder. It was sponsored by Workday.com. Learn more at Workday.com. So we completed October. We reached daylight savings time. We got through the World Series. NBA is starting to calm down a little bit.

Now we have actually a feel for the teams and what's happening. football is in the in the grind are you starting to get sad about football this is right when it really starts to hit you no not yet not yet should i be you tell me when i think uh we're almost at the halfway point now we're at the half point in the regular season yeah right headed toward thanksgiving yeah playoffs yeah i guess we're now you start to get sad like after thanksgiving is when right i would say that's that's it yes right after all the food is wrapped up and given away on Thanksgiving. I was definitely, I'm not going to lie, I was definitely sad when Jordan Love threw

that pass in the end zone to a guy in an opposite puppy yoga did, right? He really did. That was a puppy yoga pass of the year. So that was it. Yeah. And by the way, I bet, I'm sorry, I bet against your Celtics, I thought you were too

high on the Celtics packing it in and I told House Wednesday. I'm like, I'm taking Boston over Cleveland here at home. I'm taking the money line. And there you go. Are you going to bounce, you're going to jump back here? They're going to make a run at the NBA Cup, and then they're going to suck again, right? It's weird.

Them in Indiana, there's just so much infrastructure from being good once upon a time that, like, Indiana beat Golden State last night. Right. This guy, Quentin Jackson, Carlisleau is just regenerating guards in his garage that you've never heard of. And the guy had like 25 points that assists. But there, you know, there's proud dudes on each team, and they play these games and they're, especially like national TV or against a good team. So I don't know. I feel like all these teams are going to be probably closer to 500.

I wonder if the league's so deep now that we're just going to see a lot of weird Charlotte beat who? Phoenix beat, like Phoenix beat San Antonio today. It makes no sense. San Antonio hadn't lost all year. Phoenix beat them by 20 and shut down Wembe. Yeah.

You know, all these teams are pretty talented. You were very excited about our NBA Cup parley. you put together. We're like, all right. Oh, yeah. What was that? Read that one.

Oh, shit. Now I don't have it. It's Philadelphia, Milwaukee, San Antonio, and OKC. It was 116 to 1 on Fandall. Just to win their groups, right? To win their groups. And then Philadelphia lost to Boston. That's all right.

We'll get it back. But they can still get there. Yeah, we were excited. We needed something to make the NBA Cup more fun. All right, Cudds, we'll see you on the ringer of Gammonic show Tuesday. Yeah. Wednesday. Friday.

Friday and then the pregame show. Maybe at the end of the year we'll have you rank the shows and see which one you like the most. Right. Okay, good. And then Rahim, did we settle the thing where he tried to cheat on the Sunday pregame show or no? We didn't settle it.

I don't know what, you could have settled it. And you could have said minus 120s or less. I think minus 120s should be the highest you can go on a single bet. He gets mad because he thinks they're moving during the show, but it never moves against them. I just, anyway, he lost. He wanted to take the Chargers minus nine and a half.

and not 10 or 10 and a half as Fandall had it and so whatever I gave it to him but still in first place all right that's it

we're wrapping it up here on YouTube because as always great job by you good job by you all right that's it for the podcast thanks to Cousin Sal

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