The Bill Simmons Podcast - Guess the Lines Week 13 With Cousin Sal (Ep. 292)

Episode Date: November 27, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the struggles of the Cowboys and "The Clapper" (5:00), Carson Wentz vs. Tom Brady MVP odds (14:00), the playoff picture (19:00), Alvin Kamara's ROY campaign (26:00), the chances the Cowboys bring back Tony Romo (33:00), the number of bad coaches in the NFL (40:00), the Blake Bortles gambit (48:00), the Rams' dominant offense (54:00), and another edition of "Parent Corner" (1:03:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It was literally a mail-in. But this week I'm back. I might even write two columns this week. But check out ringer.com for all the sports, tech, culture, you name it. It's all there. Finally though, Steve Kerr is in town tomorrow. We were taping a podcast with him. I've had him on a bunch of times over the last, I don't know, ever since I had a podcast, the last eight, nine years. He was one of our best recurring guests when I had the old BS report on ESPN before he got hired as the Warriors coach. He's coming on tomorrow.

I want to do a mailbag with Steve Kerr along the lines of what we did that time with Kevin Durant, which I thought was the best of the four Kevin Durant podcasts, mainly because the questions were so good. So we're going to do the same thing here. If you want to mail a question for the Steve Kerr podcast, email us at themailbag at theringer.com and put Kerr in the subject heading so I can find it. And we'll just pick the best questions and we'll just run through them the same way we did with the KD pod. Very excited for this one. To be honest, I've run out of things to talk about him with basketball for a full hour, so I'm going to need your help.

We've talked to him so many times. I know all the answers already. So you can push us up a level with that. Anyway, Cousin Sal's coming up. And also, my dad turned 70. So we have to call him. 70 years old. Amazing.

First, fresh off. We really made America's holiday season with the special edition of Parent Corner. I heard about that. Yeah, it's really great. People really loved it. They think we're both good parents and horrible parents. Nobody can believe I let my kids watch Leatherface. You gave a new perspective to wrestling.

Wrestling and couples, I think, people learn from that. We're excited to do Parent Corner later. First, we're going to talk about some football. Let's do it. It was a crazy weekend. We had the three Thanksgiving games. About 20 minutes of good football on Thanksgiving. It was really bad.

It was about as guilty as I felt watching football and ignoring my family. Your team basically died. Your season's over. Yeah, they're really bad. They're really bad. I'm trying to let you know, five and six, Atlanta and Seattle are seven and four, just battling for the sixth seed. So you'd have to jump.

Oh, it's over. Yeah, it's over. It's over for you. Well, it wouldn't be over if we had a coach who knew how to adjust. Like, it's unfortunate we have – I'm not even going to say we anymore. The Cowboys have injuries on defense. Number we. I'm done.

We're not a we. I'm sorry. The clapper. Because Jason Garrett, he's the clapper. And he can't – he just can't adjust. It's not that he doesn't want to or he's doing weird things. He gets like a one-year-old shitting in his diaper, and I'm like, hey, you got to stop this. It's been 12 months of this.

Go to the toilet like everyone else. No, he's just not able to, and it's sad. He rejuvenated Phil Rivers' career. Can I just say, I don't want to mention the parties but i was out to dinner with uh some important people as far as hollywood goes and uh our friend mike lombardi was there and he knew some of the people at the table and it's like one of these one of these like you know you know it's it's a restaurant where the paparazzi like hang out outside as soon as the door opens they take a picture and Lombardi comes up to the table,

and he's friendly with some of the people at the table, and is screaming about the clapper. So much so that people are looking at Lombardi, yelling about the clapper. The door opens, paparazzi are like, oh, should I take a picture of this guy? I don't know what's going on. Crazy person screaming about Jason Garrett.

He's the best. He's the best. And he's right, too. Enough. Well, you're five and six. I think we can, fortunately, we can cross off a bunch of teams now. Yeah, none in the A's. The Packers really didn't want to be crossed off

and did everything they could not to be crossed off last night in Pittsburgh. And then finally, sadly, belatedly got the cross off. And they're 5-6. Do you feel like Vegas came up to Pittsburgh, went up to Mike Tomlin, and someone said, hey, you can't crush this game. We're going to get destroyed. We've had a bad game. Favorites won all week.

If the Steelers win 42-7, you know those pretty lights that you see when you fly into Vegas? They're done. We can't pay our bill. I feel like something like that. They said that, and they also said you can't win by more than three. Yeah, right. Three is the other number.

We have too many 10-point teasers. You have to have three or less. And they played like that, too. Were you nervous at any point that the Steelers were going to really blow that game? Actually, I went to the Grove with my wife and kids yesterday thinking I didn't need to watch Packers-Steelers. I came back, and it was 21-21, did the double take.

I was like, what? Brett Hundley? Right. On Sunday night? And then it really seemed like they probably could have won the game. I thought so, but the Steelers did the, what do you call it? The Jack Benny? Like, we pull out, we show just enough to win.

The Milton Berle. Milton Berle, sorry. Pulled out just enough to win. Sorry, Milton. I think Antonio Brown is the number three MVP right now. Really? Yeah. I would say Wentz, Brady in some order, depending on which team you like.

And then I think Brown is number three. A month ago, we were arguing Kareem Hunt or Alex Smith. Out of those two, I don't know. Oh, they're done? They're not in the conversation anymore? Is Kareem Hunt still in the league? I can't believe what's going on with that team. It seems.

I watched a lot of it. I went to San Diego this weekend with my daughter for soccer. And then the last game was in the morning. And the two local games were KC Buffalo and Philly Chicago. And Philly Chicago, which I hadn't seen in a while because I had the package. And I was watching on my iPad with the direct feed, but I hadn't just seen the traditional Kurt Menefee coming in're gonna take it out a more competitive game oh yeah he did that with bears eagles the apology yeah and i was thinking like that would be a good thing to keep track of

how many times a team has had that happen to them the menifee where they were the nationally televised game that you get pulled away from how humiliating that's really good yeah because you would think the bears have had that happen at least twice right right but what about the other side like the eagles how many times they how many times have they driven a knockout punch pulled the menifee so it was good so they went right to carolina jets which was one of the jetsiest games we've ever had really great great. First and goal from the one. Three straight pass plays. Field goal.

Give up the touchdown. I mean, it's just classic. I don't know how they didn't cover that game. It's almost inconceivable. They kicked a field goal to go up two in the fourth quarter, and then they just fell apart. And that's Zafarian Jenkins. He might as well wear a clown outfit from now on

because he is the laughingstock. He's my fantasy tight end. When they go to New Jersey or New York or wherever, they would do the play. It's like, oh, Safarian Jenkins. Oh, that was a drop. Sorry. And he had a drop row in the first quarter, and it's bad.

I think they had 100 more total yards in Carolina. You can have the ball, reach over the goal line for a split second, pull it back, and then a shark can come and eat the ball, and it's a touchdown. You can catch the ball in the end zone, roll over 17 times, and the ball can move one inch, and you lose it. And also, we're really hitting a danger zone with the instant replay. Because if you're slowing it down to one one millionth of a second

and it's like, oh yeah, I think the ball, like, yeah, okay, frame by, it's not the fucking Zabruder film. I was annoyed. I won my fantasy anyway, but it was a touchdown.

It's like Lombardi tweeted. His rule of like, if everyone in the bar thinks it's a catch, it's a catch. It sounds silly, but that's kind of what we should do. I have an announcement to make. Go ahead.

You know, I do the DraftKings lineup every week. I had a 208-point week. Wow. I won a league. I was in a $100, 55-person league, and I won. I was 1,100. You had Julio Jones and Antonio Brown? I did not have Julio Jones.

Really? Or Antonio Brown. What? Yeah. Wait? Yeah. Wait a minute. I had Jamison Crowder. I had Kamara. I had Robbie Anderson.

Everybody on my team had 20 points or more except Greg Olson who got hurt. The Eagles defense, maybe they didn't have 20. Russell Wilson. Wow. I was so proud of myself. To do that without Big Ben, A. Brown, or Julio Jones. Yeah. I fended them all off.

Good for you. I feel like if you get to 200 points in DraftKings, you've really accomplished something. I think it's my number one accomplishment in 2017. You might be the DraftKings. They should send you a crown. Not even an ad. Yeah.

I mean, DraftKings. I guess they're paying me the $1,100. So now I have a nice little playoff bumper for this weekend. I was so proud of myself. Good for you. The 200-point barrier in DraftKings is really... And my real fantasy team now. I'm 8-4. Do they have a Hall of Fame? They must have some kind of

Hall of Fame. I should be in the DraftKings Hall of Fame. My real fantasy team, I might be in position of power. You could get the bye with a win this week. I could get the bye. Speaking of byes, let's hit the playoff picture quickly. We do this every week,

but it's, let's take a four week buy. I think New England and Pittsburgh are guaranteed buys. Yeah. They have a two game lead over Jacksonville, Tennessee, who are somehow the third and fourth best team in the AFC. It's fun.

The week 17 is going to have so many AFC playoff implications, except for those two, like the Patriots and Steelers are locks For buys and they play each other Whoever wins that game will be one and two And is that week 16? Week 15 Well Pittsburgh has Not even a sneaky tough game I think it's an openly tough game

At Cincinnati on Monday night You know, Burr Effect will get kicked out in the second quarter Right But they have that. Then they're home for Baltimore and then new England. I think they lose one of those two before new England. Yeah. They're not good enough.

It's strange what they do. You watch them last night and they do look very beatable. But on the other hand, like I said, it does seem like they're just screwing around with these teams. Yeah. That outlet pass to Levy and Bell is there every single time. The Pats have at Buffalo this week. And then next week at Miami on a Monday night,

which has been the closest to a house of horrors that Brady has had. Not that he has a house of horrors, but Miami beat the shit out of them yesterday. And it did seem like the game was heading toward a direction where I wanted them to go up by more than two touchdowns to take Brady out. Because Sue, who seems to try or not try, depending on the week, but he was trying yesterday. And at some point, Sue was like, you know, it would be fun if I took Brady out for the year. That'll be my highlight this year. And really kind of went after him a couple times.

You saw some weird things with Brady. You saw the snap where he wasn't paying attention. Yeah. Tate, what kind of odds would you get on that happening to Alabama twice and to Brady once where they were not paying attention on the snap? Yeah, that never happens to Brady. Yeah, it was a strange weekend. But I'll say this. Brady's a real stat whore. He is.

He's a stat whore. Come on. He is wanting to win this MVP more than anybody else. He's minus 175. He doesn't even know what the MVP is. Well, does he know what an end around is? Because that's what's supposed to happen on the more than anybody else. He's minus 175. He doesn't even know what the MVP is. Well, does he know what an end around is? Because that's what's supposed to happen on the one yard play.

Yeah. But now he's doing this thing like hot potato and the end around, instead of going on behind him. He flips it forward. Not even flips. That's not a shovel pass. He just lets it go.

Like it's a, this is a hot potato. So now it's a pass. Yeah. It should be a run. It's a great play. That's a handoff. Hey, that's a touchdown.

Stat whore. I think I'm trying to remove all my biases. Oh, good luck. How long is this going to take? Oh, I'm still trying. Yeah, a little more. Okay, I'm there. I would vote for Wentz right now.

Oh, you would? Yeah. Okay. That's a good start. That's a good start. That's a good start. Schedule has been pretty easy. Yeah. But so has the Pats.

I think you have to look... The Pats know what they're getting from Brady every year at this point, even though he's age 40. The Eagles didn't really know they were going to get this from Wentz. And just when you watch game after game some of the stuff he does, he'll have these Russell Wilson plays where you think they're going to get him and he'll do the 360 spin one way to get at it. And you think, whoa, they didn't sack him and then 15-yard play.

I don't know. He's a real leader. I would vote for him through 11 games. I think I'll say it. In the beginning of the year, the narrative was, ifady could put up these numbers with this terrible defense he's going to be the mvp but now you have a decent you have one of the better defense the secondary is good now yeah it's good everything's fine gilmore top 10 defense everyone panicked about gilmore and he's come around so now it's kind of the same and you're right carson wentz is just he he's like ben

roethlisberger but when he gets does 360, he sprints away from the defender. He doesn't lumber away and then make a big throw. He's phenomenal. He really is. I know it's been a bad schedule, but he's got my vote, too. He also doesn't really have an A-list skill position guy. Jeffrey's probably the closest. Jeffrey's been coming on.

Zachary's is good. I don't think he's great. He's maybe a borderline all-pro. The running backs are fine. But he's doing it in cold weather too, which I think matters. Now that we're heading toward the November, December months, he's not in a dome. He's not a stat whore.

He's not a stat whore like Tom Brady. I think he's got a slight edge. And I think what he's doing is a little more meaningful because they don't have a tradition of just taking care of business game after game, which is what they're doing. The Patriots have a tradition, and they just kind of follow what they're doing. Wentz is creating a new tradition. And these Eagles fans, these tortured Philly fans

who were just accustomed to the anvil dropping on their heads, now they have this Sixers team that's starting to come together. And they have the best, I think, the best under 30 quarterback. Now the Seahawks fans, they're all pissed off because I tweeted that, and I've said on the podcast, that I would take Wentz over any under 30 guy. And they just can't believe that nobody would take Russell Hustle. Is that a Lacey under 30 oh no yeah russell wilson yeah they're very sensitive about russell wilson he's excellent too though he's

excellent you can never get down on him hustle and bustle just he makes so many plays like but when it's like four years younger i don't i think it's a no-brainer if you're going under 30 you're taking wentz over wilson Tate, who's your MVP? This is Tate Frazier, the host of GM Street with Michael Lombardi. Everybody knows who he is. I think it has to be Wentz. It's like Cam in 2015. Only one loss.

Best quarterback in football right now. So the rest of the schedule for them gets really fun right about now. This is where he's either going to win or lose the MVP. At Seattle, at the Rams, at the Giants. First two games are playoff teams. Third Seattle, at the Rams, at the Giants. First two games, our playoff teams. Third game, Giants defense is good. Not great, but good. By then, what will be the story?

You at least have to... And that'll be like 8 degrees, week 15 in Giants Stadium. Well, it'll be bad because I won't get credit for that win. And then their last two games, home for oakland home for dallas and there's a chance the one seemed to be cleaned up that day he won't even play week 17 yeah so how about this this uh it's been five years since well i'll assume you didn't send me

your lines again but i'll assume that this won't sway it the eagles the seahawks haven't been a field goal or more underdog at home since 2012 and it's happening this week oh that's mvp for the eagles that's all right you can't change it no i'm gonna see who i oh okay all right i'm way off on that game then yeah we'll get to it all right we're taking a quick break to talk about cap terra whether you're a startup looking to keep better track of customers, a nonprofit hoping to have a record fundraising year, or a business that simply needs better payroll software, Captera is your software solution to every business need.

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It's flying. Kind of sad. It is flying. Now all of a sudden we're getting close. But we've got New England and Pittsburgh at 9-2. Jacksonville and Tennessee at 7-4. We have two seeds left. Jacksonville and Tennessee, it seems like one of those will get the wild card,

barring a disaster. I agree. Neither of them have a really tough schedule left. And then it seems like, well, KC has collapsed to the point that the Chargers and Raiders are now a game back. Both of them get to play KC again. I don't see it, but last week we said Chargers will plus 650 to win division. The odds aren't up now, but that would be nice to have, right?

Chargers playing the Browns this week. Well, Chargers go Cleveland this week at home. Yeah. Although they don't really have a home. No. Redskins the following week. Redskins have no offensive players left. They've just been completely decimated.

So they could be 7-6 heading into KC week 15. Week 15 looming as a monster week because we got Pittsburgh and New England. KC, San Diego. We have that weird Philly Giants game. Rams at Seattle. Wow. And then Aaron Rodgers coming back for Carolina. Atlanta home for Tampa on a Monday.

That's a good week. So I would bet on the Chargers. Chargers to win the division or get the sixth seed or one? I think they pass the Chiefs. I think the Chiefs are broken. We saw them blow two double-digit lines in a row. Yeah. We were talking about who to tease who with, and threw them out of line i didn't consider them yeah right

there's no way i'm putting the chiefs in any sort of teaser parlay yeah i don't know what i don't know what happened with them it was that raider game where uh that thursday night game where car rolled right handed quarterback rolling left on two on downs, and they won with no time left, and that was it. It just sent them in a free fall. Alex Smith has completely lost his confidence. And Kelsey said how the cover two, they have to figure out how to solve the cover two, which is, I think, the most basic defense you can play in football.

At this point. And they have no idea how to solve it. I mean, if they collapse completely, I'm starting to wonder, does Andy Reid stay there? Hmm. See the coach next year for them. Yeah, this is a... If they go from 5-0 to 8-8, that might be it.

It's conceivable. I think he sticks around. Although, I don't know. It hasn't been... What does he blame? The injury to Houston? I don't know what he would do. It's not even that their defense is that bad right now.

Eric Berry can't be that important. Berry, rather. Yeah, I mean, they're not. And their defense isn't horrible right now. It's keeping them in the games, actually. I'm mad at the Broncos because I thought they should have covered yesterday. And they, for some reason, had Paxton Lynch. Paxton or Paxton?

Paxton. Who cares? Paxton Lynch. Who cares? Paxton Lynch. Who cares? Somehow they had him throwing on first and goal from the one or second goal from one or whatever. He throws a pick and the game flips. But that team, I think that guy's going to be one and done, Vance Joseph. Yeah, he might be. That team's a mess.

And Tlaib looked like he just wanted to get thrown out of the game. Right. He's just like, just kick me out. I'm ready. Who are you angrier at there? But Tlaib for... Tlaib looked like he just wanted to get thrown out of the game. Right. He was just like, just kick me out. I'm ready. Who are you angrier at there? But Tlaib for committing assaults. Tlaib's so much more important than Crabtree. The receivers, you can just throw in other receivers.

You can't replace Tlaib. He's probably a top four cornerback. I'm just talking about this necklace business. Oh, the necklace thing. He's committing an assault, but then there's Crabtree. Like, why wear this necklace every time you're playing denver what are you doing like if you came to work with a nice shiny necklace and mallory rubin greeted you totally rip it off she'd rip it off and that's how she'd rip the how many how many times would you wear it would you continue to wear it every day

these are great points come on what's going on you said that he was asking for it the fence i don't even know what i'm watching anymore. I'm ripping off jewelry on the field. So stupid. Does he need to be paid in jewelry? When is somebody going to get in a fight where they don't have their helmet, where they actually just get clocked and get knocked out? I don't know if that's ever happened. Tate was all over that thing.

You think Tlaib should take the helmet off? I wouldn't swing until he did take the helmet off. That's a good square up. Because then you put it on him. It's like, oh, if you really want to fight me, take your helmet off. Well, a good... Right. It's like square up. Because then you put it on him. It's like, oh, if you really want to fight me, take your helmet off. Well, it's like hockey with the gloves. Not until you drop your gloves, right? Well, Tlaib was totally happy to keep it on.

I will say this. Tlaib's probably in the top five of guys you don't want to mess with in the NFL. Right. Like, if this escalated, I would be more scared for Crabtree. You would just hand your necklace over to him? Tlaib is a frightening guy NFC Philly 10-1, Minnesota 9-2

But Minnesota's got at Atlanta, at Carolina Next two weeks I've probably been wrong On Minnesota more than any other team this year Case Keenum at some point Everybody loved Detroit on Thanksgiving God, Matt Stafford stinks I'm not betting on him again.

I know he doesn't stink, but it just feels like every time I've trusted him, he's burned me. Might be the ankle, but yeah, he's tough. They should have at least covered that game. They're a stay-away bet. We had a nice little, I guess we would have lost the parlay anyway because the Giants didn't cover. Well, we did all right this week, but favorites were 12-3, like you said. And favorites since week week 7 you texted me this 54 23 and 7 insane and so this was the week to pick five winners if you're just going to pick

winners this is the week if you could have stayed away from the chiefs but there were some bogus last minute covers for the favorites carolina covering was insane and great cincinnati barely covered kaiser was kaiser loves the back door. Kaiser's always banging on the back door. He's like, hey, anybody hope? Yeah, another sledgehammer strong enough. Wait, what was the other? Colts, Tennessee was close for what? Tennessee was a late one. There was a

point during the early games that it seemed like all the underdogs were in the cover except for Philly. Yeah. And then, oh, and Miami not covering was kind of abnormal. It seemed like that should have ended at 11 points. Right. Teams then, oh, and Miami not covering was kind of abnormal. It seemed like that should have ended at 11 points. Right. Teams can't get out of their own. Yeah, so in the NFC, basically New Orleans, Carolina, 8-3,

and Atlanta, 7-4. They all play each other. And everyone plays each other a million times. There's just no way to know. New Orleans has the better schedule. I think they have Tampa and the Jets in addition to the other teams. So could we say two of those three make it and somebody gets bounced?

Yeah. And then Seattle, 7-4. I was looking at Atlanta, 8-1 to win the NFC. Now, if it's the Atlanta that we saw yesterday where Julio Jones backed him forward. That's been Atlanta for a couple weeks. Yeah. Remember we were saying in the pod two weeks ago

I was saying to you how many touchdowns it feels like they could have had this year and Matt Ryan was just missing throws? And now it seems like he's making the throws. Or Sanu is making the throws. Yeah, Sanu, one of those two. But they're going to have to do it on the road but I think 8-1 is a nice price. A few weeks ago we said Kamara

at 15-1 for MVP. Now he's minus 500. Kamara's unbelievable. Yeah, he's crazy. Big win for Kevin Clark, by the way. Kevin Clark, big Kamara fan last April with the draft. That was nice. Tennessee.

I think the football outsider, Aaron Schatz, tweeted at him about why he's so high on Kamara because their projection system was that he wasn't that good. I know nothing about college football. What college did he go to? What was he? Tennessee. Brad's team. Volunteers.

Did Brad like him? Yeah. Yeah, he liked him. Well, I think he spun around a few times. I think 10 wins minimum for the playoffs in the NFC? Oh, yeah. Okay. So Seattle 7-4.

Home for Philly this weekend, Sunday night at Jacksonville. That's a dangerous game for them. Yes. Home for the Rams at the Clapper. Clapper might not be there by then. That's a win. And then home for the kind of frisky hanging around Arizona team that seems like Bruce Arians is in the coach of the year discussion I think right I don't know how that team is even close to 500 yeah so see you can't

pencil in a win or a loss for Seattle the Legion of Boom is gone you don't know what they're gonna do defensively it was 7-6 at halftime I know San Francisco is hanging and probably left points on the table and they barely beat him they beat him like 12-9 the first time they played. Yeah. So I think we can cross off Green Bay and Dallas and everybody who doesn't have six wins. Fine for me. Detroit is 6-5.

At Baltimore, at Tampa, home for Chicago. At Cincy, home for Green Bay. That is not a murderer's row schedule. And I have a feeling they're going to be hanging around somehow. Right. And we're going to be like, why the hell are the lions here but i think either seattle atlanta or the rams one of those teams don't make the playoffs right yeah i don't think we get three nfc south teams no what do you think tate that's what it is right

now right like but we're not going to end up that way because they'll play each other yeah yeah because they'll be panther saints right well new, New Orleans plays Carolina and they play Atlanta twice. Right. So something bad will happen with that. I would bet. I think that Atlanta is the best of the three. I like the way. I think their defense has gotten better as it's gone along.

I thought New Orleans was exposed yesterday a little bit. I know they were missing their corners. Lattimore has to come back. Yeah. I was surprised when you guys said they were three for 13 on third down. The Rams, it seemed like they converted all game. Maybe it wasn't.

They're getting a lot of first, second down stuff. First down, that nine-yard carry by Gurley on first down. It's worse than a 14-yard carry, I think. Like, second and one means your defense isn't getting it back for a while. The Rams are smart about it. And then, like, completing the guys like reynolds and it's just i thought they were exposed more on uh on on offense the saints yeah because they didn't really start to get any momentum until they were

were basically starting to run the ball but when they had to throw it i didn't i didn't think he had a lot of time could wade phillips of the year? That's never happened, right? I thought that was a really important win for the Rams because they come off this, they're feeling great about themselves and Minnesota

beats them pretty decisively. And now you go into this Saints game, you're not even favored by three at home. Nobody believes in you. And they really took care of business

and golf is dangerous. And they didn't have Robert Woods either and they had Cup finally stepped up, my dude who I traded for in fantasy all he needed didn't start him you were you were saying he wasn't that good last week he wasn't it was his first good game of the year watkins was good a little fire under his ass girly i would say is the best so good best all around back in the league right yeah he finds these tiny holes and like flies through them the one thing

the one card the saints have is they if they really fully unleash Kamara, I wonder what happens. Because I bet on the Rams yesterday, so I'm just rooting for basically when the Saints have the ball, I'm basically like, please don't give the ball to him. I'm terrified of this guy. You were rooting for the field goal on fourth and goal from the three. Oh, yeah.

What was that? Yeah. It was craziness. When would you not root? Twice three. Oh, yeah. What was that? Yeah. It was craziness. When would you not root? You think you're going to get down there twice more? Yeah, because even if they miss it, you're on the three. Of course. Something weird can happen.

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It's at home. Your Thursday night is ruined. Do you have a show? No, but my son has his band concert. We do have a show, but my son... And your son has a band concert? Yeah, so I'm going to... And you have the Cowboys?

I'm going to be able to miss this. I think it's a good thing you're missing this. Yeah. Cowboys home for the dead skins. I had the Cowboys by three. I said two, and it's one and a half. Dallas, Vegas does not love Dallas. Dallas does not love its fans.

33-19, Cowboys won October 29th. It's a rematch. Rematch week, a lot of these games. Is Dez Bryant, he's just like a fourth receiver now? I don't know. He can't get away from anybody. I don't know if Dak knows the best way to use him. Me, nothing.

How about the Cowboys? I don't know. They can't get rid of him. They can't get rid of that contract. That's what you're thinking. Is it possible Dak wasn't good all along, and it was just your offensive line was so good last year, and he has time, but the moment when he doesn't have time and it's like he's under duress that he folds and maybe this is

what happened in college i have no idea i think listen i think it was a major major whiff giving dac the rookie of the year and the clapper coach of the year last year the clapper one coach of the year last year no he didn't that's. That's what's supposed to happen in 2022. You say the Clapper won coach of the year in 2016? No, yeah, that happened last year. Why don't I remember that? I know. How did we not have a better option?

We're all trying to block that out. God, Belichick. Belichick should just win every year. I know. Exactly. Tate, did you watch Dak Prescott in college? I mean, a fair amount. Is it possible that he's two quarterbacks?

If you have time, he's fine. If he doesn't have time, he's in trouble. I think you just hope he's not Kaepernick. He had this good two, three-year window, and then the league figured him out. Yeah, once you get figured out. You think he's like the Japanese sinker ball side armor that comes and the batters figure him out.

Within a year, they know how to hit them. It's a great 60 game run. Right. Sunday's marquee game. The Atlanta Falcons at home against Case Keenum and the Minnesota Vikings.

Would you rather have Case Keenum or Dak Prescott as your quarterback? I think still Dak. Yeah. That's good. Would you rather have Tony Romo or Dak Prescott as your quarterback? I think still Dak. Yeah. That's good. Would you rather have Tony Romo or Dak Prescott as your quarterback? Ask me in two weeks. Did Romo enjoy Thursday night, do you think, deep down?

No. The Chargers-Cowboys game. The fans were, they almost had a comment on it. The fans were yelling for Romo after that pick six. No, they weren't. They almost had it. The ones right below. I didn't know that.

Yeah. They were chaining Romo, Romo. Almost had to say something. Oh, my God. So that was your football highlight of 2017. Atlanta, home from Minnesota. I have Falcons by three.

Yeah, we both got this exactly. Falcons by three. That's a nice game. I will say this about Minnesota, and I know the Vikings fans feel like we don't respect their team at all on the podcast. The best man at my wedding is a Vikings fan, and I always root for the Vikings. I think you can throw on them.

I really do. I thought Cousins threw on them. I thought Stafford had guys wide open on Thanksgiving, and I just think you can throw and get to 30 points on the Vikings day. I think they're good against the run. Sometimes Xavier Rhodes looks like he doesn't know how to play football. He's just tackling his receiver all the way down the field. I like the Falcons in this game.

I think they can make plays all game against the Vikings D. They could be good. Is it weird to say I don't trust a better team at home yet? I think the Falcons have better value on the road. Interesting. You don't like them in the new stadium? Man. Rough.

And Minnesota's a decent road team. The Poopfecta goes four deep this week. The Browns are a staple, as always. We can't have a Poopfecta without the Browns. Have to lead with that, yeah. They're playing in the L.A. soccer stadium against the Chargers. And we haven't really seen a game like this for the Chargers at home, where if you're a Browns fan, you almost don't want to go out in public.

You're definitely not, you're not going, you're not going to a road game in a Browns jersey. Right. Unless you're being ironic. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Maybe a bunch of comedians will go on Browns jerseys or something. If you're a Cleveland fan, you're like, oh, my team's here. I got to go support them. Right. You probably would feel that you'd almost want to go wearing a Chargers jersey.

You're saying the Chargers might have more fans, actually, at this game. There might be no fans at this game. Yeah, that's true. What if the weather's not good? What would happen? What would they have to do? If there was ever a game for us to take our kids to, it would be this game. Right. My son has been dying to go to a football game.

And I keep talking about it. Whatever the biggest poop factor game is. This is it. Whatever you lead with. I have the Chargers favored by 10. The red hot Chargers. You went low. I said 12 and a half.

13. 13. That's absurd. See, the thing is, they don't have a home field advantage. So you can't. Like, if they were really at home, I would have said 13, but it's like this is a neutral stadium, basically. Yeah, but they

lost to Cleveland last year, right? That's too high. That was the team they lost to. Could they pull a Chargers and lose this game? Oh, man. Yeah, they totally could. You're just waiting for it, right? They totally could. How about that these guys touched on at Tate and Lombardi, that collusion, that A.J. McCarron thing. I just love that.

I love the Browns. Oh, the picture? I love them meeting right at the end zone for everybody to see. It's like, let's go into the stall in Section 218. Now, let's everybody see. Who are these Cleveland people that are clamoring for A.J. McCarron that they're trying to appease? It makes no sense.

So bizarre. Yeah, I keep feeling like there's a different A.J. McCarron than the one I watched a couple times. Right. Never watched A.J. McCararron and thought watch out for this guy speaking of brown's quarterbacks our friend hench and i dug up a stat since 1999 which brown's call i'm sorry which quarterback has the most wins at brown stadium at brown stadium derrick anderson who is it ben mother effing roethlisberger no not even it's not even a browns quarterback not even a brown he didn't start his the status from 1999 he didn't start his career until 2004

he plays there once a year he's played there 12 times he's got more wins it would seem like 11 and one quarterback yeah i think that's what it is yeah and no other browns quarterback at 11 no i don't even think it's close it's amazing what. And no other Browns quarterback had 11 or less stats. No, I don't even think it's close. It's amazing. What's more amazing is we don't just bet against the Browns every week. Yeah, well, I do. Like this week, one of my bets was I teased the Bengals with the Eagles. And both of those won anyway. I didn't even need the six points.

Like, just bet the Bengals. I had it. Although the Browns, they are always kind of lingering and making you nervous in the last five minutes. They always make you earn the win. Maybe too many turnovers this game, though. Bosa and Ingram, they might just put up a good offer. I think the Chargers are legit good.

Yeah. And Keenan Allen right now, I tweeted this on Thanksgiving, and then Julio had a monster game, so he might have grabbed the number two spot. But Antonio Brown's one. Receivers you're most scared of if you're gambling against the team that they play on. Antonio Brown is one. Either Thielen or Julio Jones is two. Thielen's open all

the time. Just wide open. Every third down and eight, it's like, just triple team him. It doesn't even matter. Somehow he's wide open. Julio's probably three. What about Hopkins? Not without a quarterback. I think Keenan allen might be four now i don't know keenan allen's had put together he's like 375 yards receiving the last two games

yeah and he's open all the time that's pretty good but uh yeah interesting times thielen thielen being didn't even have a great game uh thanksgiving i'm like now keenan missed him a couple times uh raiders raiders home for the giants this is an awful game please do not watch this game this is really bad i feel bad for everybody involved and i have the raiders favored by six uh you're gonna get it i said five it's seven and a half i like the giants that raiders defense is so so bad the raiders are terrible how do you do the Paxton Lynch? This isn't a guy you met last.

If you're the coach, you've been with him since August. He's kind of like, he's the Penn State guy for the Jets. Hackenberg. Sandusky? Hackenberg, yeah. Oh. No, even worse than that. Jesus.

He's just the next guy up. He's not the next best, you know? Why start him? I just want to point out the Broncos were down seven. First of all, Trevor Simeon, like they dusted off the cobwebs and brought him out. He ran two straight touchdown drives. That's how bad that defense is. They throttle them twice.

It's third and nine. They're going to get the ball back. The Raiders have no receivers left. Cooper's gone. Crabtree's gone. They have really nobody to go to. They have Cordero Patterson out there, who's been one of the biggest busts of the last five years for receivers.

Vance Joseph sends the house for some reason. A car goes back and just throws a lob ball. He's got three wide open receivers and one defensive back, and they run for 50 yards for the clinching play. It's like, what defense is this? It was like they were running like in Madden. It was the goal line blitz. Yeah, you send everybody.

But you don't do that on the other team's eight. No. It was so stupid. That team's going to have lots of turnover. He's a bad coach. No quarterback, no GM. He's bad. There's bad coaches coach. No GM. He's bad. There's bad coaches this year.

The clapper is horrible. There might be more bad coaches than quarterbacks. It's close. Andy Reid's last couple games were as bad as it gets. Hugh Jackson, how does he still have a job?

Even Del Rio. Del Rio's been awful this year. Del Rio might have always been awful. I remember when they hired him, I was like, wow, Jack Del Rio, he was terrible. And then he went for two for the win that one game, and it seemed like he got three months of momentum out of it. Last poop fact of the game, the Bears are home for the 49ers.

So people are wondering why Garoppolo isn't playing yet. And it's a weird conversation because there's an obvious answer. He's way better than Bethard. They don't want to ruin their draft pick. Interesting. I think that they're doing this whole the guise of we want to give them time to learn the offense they don't want to go

like three and three over their last whatever games they probably told them they don't want them to get hurt they probably told them like yeah

you're going to play like the once we know we're in the top four you'll play the last two I can't believe people don't see that I think

it's a little NBA mentality there right there. But that's what their whole season's been. They want to get a top five pick this year.

They'll get the top five. They can win four games. Not necessarily. Well, they have one win. Right. They can win three and the next five. But I think they want

to get in the top three. Yeah, I don't know. Because they know that. It's not like there's a quarterback waiting for them in the top three. You know, they got the guy. Right.

But they're going to get potentially the best non-quarterback in the entire draft. But you have to get in the top three. They got the guy. Right, but they're going to get potentially the best non-quarterback in the entire draft, but you have to get in the top three or four, right? If the Browns are in there, who else is going to be in the top four? As far as quarterbacks?

The Giants? Colts, maybe. Giants. Colts aren't taking a quarterback either. Right. Never know. Might trade luck. Listen, Garoppolo is much better than Beathard.

Garoppolo is much better than Beathard. We're going to see him this week. He came on like a star. He looked like he was from a movie. I think they're going to haul him off one more week. Yeah. Happy birthday to Eric Weinberger, by the way. Oh, really?

Yeah. He just went by and pumped his fist. Yeah. That reminds me. We got to do the captain. The captain will not rest until he's brought his adventurous spirit and delicious rum to every corner of America. Variety of the spice of life.

That's why Captain Morgan has spiced up life quite a bit. Developed a collection of rum, each with its own distinctive flavor and personality. Every week, Sal and I pick a captain of the week. I didn't even pick a line for that last game, right? No, you didn't. You want to do it real quick? Yeah. San Francisco, Chicago. Yeah yeah i got bears by three uh you're closer i said six and a half it's four and a half my captain the week is eric weinberger oh really 47 today there's no way

he's 47 he's 47 well in his 50s and here's why he's my captain. I love when people are true sports fans, even when facts mount against the person they love and care about and root for. I feel like I'm like this as well. I'm a true sports fan. He loves Eli so much that he named his fourth kid Eli. Nice. Eli Weinberger. I love it. Named after Eli Manning.

Mounting evidence that Eli Manning is not going to be the quarterback next year. Mounting evidence. Almost an overpowered amount of evidence that he won't be the quarterback. Eric Weinberger. Just holding on. Good for him. Holding on. If we get a top three pick, why would we take a quarterback?

We have one. There are eight guys in the whole league who know how to do this. He's one of them. We're back next year if this happens we get this that i love his love for eli manning makes him my captain of the week i like it good for happy birthday who else has beaten belichick twice in a big game i mean mark sanchez did both agree and disagree vehemently is it possible with with with all those eli thing i do it's like i agree and disagree it's like. Is it possible? With all those Eli points? With the Eli thing. I do.

It's like I agree and disagree. It's like, yeah, there's no one better. It's like, oh, he's got to go. I don't know. I go back and forth. This isn't like the quarterbacks that are coming out this year. None of them are like sure thing locks. It could be one of those like Blake Bortles type of drafts where we talk

ourselves into three or four guys, but they're not actually. They should all stay another year in college. Right. So you can make a case if, if you feel like, if you like and stay in shape, Tom Brady style and play four more years, maybe you don't need a quarterback. I just love that.

He's so passionate about it. And you know what? It's hilarious. My captain is also a fan. Okay. But it's a, it's a lot of fans or maybe not a lot. The diehard rams fan

oh they're out there and they're going they're going to these games yeah and you know a lot of them stayed with the team after they went to st louis now they're back and they go in the stadium 62 000 like this they get a bad rap because you know that it takes 90 grand to fill that stadium. Yeah. 62 yesterday. It's a pretty good number. The cutaways, not too many Saints fans. No. Maybe the director of Fox or CBS should get the captain of the week, but you're seeing more and more Rams fans at this game.

Right. This is for the diehard Rams fans. I'm not going to name you because it's embarrassing at some point, but maybe not so much anymore. I'm giving you my captain of the week. Diehard Rams fan. I like it. All right.

I think the Rams have a chance to have two playoff games here. Yeah. It's in play. Good one. If they would have to be the three, I guess they'll at least have one, it looks like, but potentially two. You know what's cool about the Rams? Great uniforms. Nice to have those uniforms

back. The old school... Looks good. Yeah, the old school Ferragamo style. Get rid of the gold. All white, maybe. I was just going to say, I like the white better. The navy and the yellow is... You don't like the gold? I like the navy and the yellow. I like the gold as the accent, but the white and the blue is what they need.

Alright, we're going to the brown zone. It's not quite good enough for the red zone. It's the brown zone. This arguably could have been a poop-fecta game. It maybe still should be. Packers-Bucks. Packers home for the Bucks. I promise you I'm not going to watch a minute of this game.

Maybe it is a poop-fecta game. Yeah, well, they don't have a line on it. I guess Jameis makes that much of a difference. They have not put a line on the game yeah well they don't have a line on it so we don't we can i mean i guess james makes that much of a difference that they have not put a line on this maybe it makes it makes it less likely though i think the packers are favored either way yeah i don't know the uh tampa was in that game and that the final score was closer than i think people if you didn't watch it so that was another because they had the fitzpat they were down seven and they they uh would they turn it over like a fourth and one right but it seemed like it seemed like that was gonna be a tie game with like eight minutes left it's just so much offense out of

atlanta they have like five yards or something doing it without freeman and it looks like freeman who knows if he even comes back this year yeah it's weird all right a legit brown zone game titans texans i don't want to watch any of this game either but the titans are seven and four the texans who knows after tonight this baltimore game baltimore seven point favorites tonight against houston they look like a logical pick unless you've watched joe flacco play football the last six weeks who knows texans might win and might still be in the playoff picture tonight yeah everyone out or loses baltimore falls behind seven nothing and it's it's a catastrophe they have no way to come back i have the titans favored by six over the texans i said six also it's a it's a hefty seven full touchdown this is a rematch houston remember what happened

first time 57 14 right but that was with watson obviously watson yeah don't put the titans in a tease is my recommendation titans have a way of kind of sneaking out these wins that you're not really sure how they won and they've covered games. They probably shouldn't have covered. Wow. This is a borderline watchable game. I, I will be focused on actually, you know what? I'm moving this to the watchables.

Uh, let's go, uh, let's go Jags Colts. Yeah. I was going to say the other division game, right? Yeah.

Jags home. Bortles. Incredible. Again, the whole gamut yesterday Had a couple nice QB runs Couple decent throws A horrible pick

Just horrible Really, really bad Under three minutes left It's like something you throw to your six-year-old Just to get this Do you think he leads the league in picks under three minutes? Oh boy He's got it, right?

It had to have been his third this season He doesn't know what he's doing Even when he prances in the end zone, he runs it in. He looks like he wants to dive. He wants to do the Cam Newton. He holds the ball out. He doesn't understand what happened. He also looks like he's going to fumble,

but he doesn't know what he wants to do. Very strange. There's a couple teams this year that you feel better when their defense is on the field for scoring, if you bet on them in their offense. The Jags are one. The Ravens are one. Who's the third one?

The Dolphins, maybe? I don't know. No, there's one more. The Giants. Oh, yeah. Giants, it's like they're down three with six minutes left. You almost want them to punt on first down and hope their defense makes a play. Right. So I have Jags by seven and a a half you are a little short there i said eight and a half it's

up to nine and a half already that's that's silly because i don't think the jags have earned that kind of line respect from anybody that's tough what happened to four net i don't know i think did he hit like the rookie i didn't know they had the rookie wall for NFL you know they talk Lombardi and Tate talk about how he doesn't come in on passing downs he doesn't have a block team and it's weird to me because this is a guy who came out and said the NFL

is easy NFL is so much easier it's like well they obviously don't trust you in passing downs or long yardage and he got suspended for a week it seems like there's stuff going on with him off the field. Like major stuff. Because he is not the same guy. Yeah, if you're listening, Leonard Fournette,

and you know what's going on with you, please let us know. And also, you should apologize to everyone who bet on you for Rookie of the Year. Unfortunately, we were not those people. Oh, man. Another terrible game. Brown zone. This is the epitome of the brown zone. Ravens-Lions

Ravens at home Nobody wants to watch this game I'm sure it'll show up on the brown zone a couple times And Flacco is a top four quarterback For when he's on the red zone When he's on the red zone channel You see him And you think it was a pick or a fumble

And you're surprised When it was actually a positive play. Right, right. Cutler would be the number one guy for that, but I think Flacco is... He's right there. Flacco's in the top four or five. Bortles is another one.

Let's go to Jacksonville where Blake Bortles is like, oh, this will be bad. This is going the other way, right? Yeah, this is going to be something horrible. I have the Ravens by three and a half. I said that exactly, and it's three. I'll tell you this. Don't trust them.

Loser leaves. Yeah, that's a loser leave time match. Get the t-shirts printed. I don't like that matchup for Detroit. Because if Stafford's banged up and he can't move around, that defense can... He's not having a good season as it is. I think that defense could just throttle him.

They're another weird road team, though. They come prepared for some reason. Alright, the watchables. First one, I had in the brown zone, but the more I stare at it, it feels like a watchables. Chiefs at the Jets. The Chiefs, you can't look away. You can't look, you can't look away.

I had the Chiefs by three. I do not bet on this game, America. I got this exactly. I said three and a half. I don't know. You know, you look at it. They only have seven turnovers in six games. Like, that's...

Every team goes to that. Smith is not passing the eye test. It just doesn't make sense. He's not passing the eye test, though. His passes are... He's just missing open guys. But I also feel like they've won in this offensive line so bad. He's run, he's used his legs against the Giants.

He ran for two first downs to keep drives alive. They're the enigma of the league right now. I don't even know if they're an enigma. No? I think they just suck. Really? Yeah. I think their defense isn't very good and they can't block.

57 yards in the first half yesterday they saved vegas that's for sure all the favorites won except them yes yeah well they what have we had like five of the last eight weeks somebody's blown a three team tees yeah we've had all these like eight nine ten point underdogs winning right that was at least the fourth one that That might have even been the fifth. Three watchable games other than Chiefs-Jets. I'm surprised you're putting one of these as an option. Watchable.

Well, I'm going to defend it right now. Rams at Arizona. No, not that one. Go ahead. I just like watching the Rams. The Rams, to me, are permanent watchable. That's fine. I think they're the watchable MVPs of the year. Yeah, they might be.

They're really fun to watch. Are they re-watchables, though? Are you going to have a podcast about them? Tate, you agree with that? I like the Rams. Yeah. Are the Rams, they've been one of the go-to teams this year. It's been great. It's offense. They're like the Falcons without the baggage. Yeah. It's just a feel-good Falcons team. The Rams

by six in Arizona. I think this is a scary game. I think they should be super careful of this one. I said six also. Vegas has it at seven. I would not tease this game. Well, let me just say, another blowout. If you look at these, these are all like these division games,

rematches and blowouts. Rams 33-0 October 22nd. Yeah. The Rams have taken care of business. And Lombardi pointed this out a month ago. When they have their hands on your throat they choke you to death they're up 10 they go for 17 they're up 17 they want 20 they want to be up by 24 yeah right like they they just go for it every time i think arizona's

they're well coachedached. They hang around. Gabbert, who's out of the league, basically, actually looked half-decent yesterday. It's a good defense. You know, Ramsey locking down Fitzgerald yesterday was like, you're like, all right, well, Jags are going to win. They still found a way to make that competitive. Yeah, I would be careful of this one.

Saints-Panthers, Saints- saints home cam had a zigzag game everyone's feeling great about cam and then yesterday he wasn't that good they still pulled it off i'm sick of these guys less than him shoving him to the ground and getting getting the flag but you know tate i know as you out, if it happens when he doesn't deserve it, he gets it. Oh yeah. When he gets lit up and he gets like a helmet down and hit from like, you know, Von Miller or Shane Ray or whoever that is no flag.

But when it's like someone just pushed them down, like Dwight Lowry, it's like a throw it up. Jets are so stupid. I like Carolina in this game. You do? Yeah. I think,

uh, I'm not sold on the Saints. And I think they took advantage of some schedule luck and caught some teams on the right weeks and stuff like that. And I'm just not 100% sold on them. They barely beat that terrible Washington team. I thought they got legit beat this week. Now, they're missing their corners. They have an excuse.

But the excuse makes me think this week is dangerous for them. Because people are like, well, they only lost last week because Latimer didn't play. No, they would have lost anyway. And I don't know. I like Carolina. I think Carolina will go into that game thinking they can win. Keekly's 100%, right? Yeah.

As long as you have him. I went to the first game. I went at Carolina when the Saints came to Carolina this year. 34-13. And they wrecked them. I went to the one game the went at Carolina when the Saints came to Carolina this year 34-13 and they wrecked them I went to the one game the Panthers looked the worst this season

and then it was a revenge game yeah I hope so but I don't know the Saints look so much better than the Panthers that week that it could happen again

Kikwi's Kikwi's what's the ad he does Solar Flex no what's that ad that's out all the time Geico ad

Geico where he's working out yeah yeah that's the funniest ad it's unintentionally hilarious it makes me laugh every time it's like all right luke here's the concept so you're gonna work out we're just gonna film you working out i want you to look serious get some lifts in do your routine we'll tape you i thought it was just b-roll and he just sent it to all these companies and you could just slack because it just pops up Geico. It could be any company. It's so not a Geico ad. It's porn to Tate. That's what that is.

He plays with the sound off. What does it have to do with Geico? It's like, here's Luke Kinkley working out. Get Geico. You have a line on this one? Yeah, I got Saints by four. I think they get that one point bump because they kicked the shit out of them. I said four also. Three and a half. I think they get that one point bump because they kicked the shit out of them. I said four also. Three and a half.

I like the Panthers. It's a close one. They're saying they're basically even teams. Last one. Pats-Bills. Pats at Buffalo. I think you missed a game. No, because we had two left.

Did we do Denver-Miami? No, we didn't. I did miss a game. Denver-Miami. I was going to say, I did miss a game. Denver-Miami. I was going to say, how is he making this watchable? Oh, that was in the Poopfecta. Oh, okay. Did we not do it?

Oh, we skipped it? It was so shitty, I forgot to do it. Dolphins, I had Dolphins by three. Yeah, you get this. I said four, and it's only one. They stink. Both teams stink. Don't watch that game.

Yeah, stay away. Pets, Bills. I'm about to unveil my controversial Tyrod Taylor-Nathan Peterman theory. I think McDermott, who took an unbelievable amount of shit for that decision,

I think he knew what he was doing all along. Why? He knows he's going to get the tiebreaker over the Chargers? I think they knew. I think he knew the Chargers were going to beat them this week. I think he's gonna get the tiebreaker over the chargers i think they knew i think he knew the chargers were gonna beat them this week i think he didn't like the vibe of his team really and i think he i think he looked at it and said i'm gonna put this peterman guy in if he's awesome great if he's terrible takes the heat off tyrod tay. What's wrong with this guy? Now Tyrod Taylor comes back. Nobody believed in me.

And it flips our season. I think, first of all. A lot of credit. A lot of credit. It's just a theory. It's fun. It's just a conspiracy theory. They lose that game anyway.

They're going to lose that game with Tyrod Taylor without him. The Chargers are better. Everyone's like, oh, they blew that game. It's like, no, they didn't. They were going to lose anyway. But what if they do lose to the Chargers? No, they weren't beating the Chargers.

They were losing anyway. Did he talk this over with management first? This is a really risky thing. As I said, it was a conspiracy theory. I've been reading a lot of the conspiracy Reddit has a conspiracy board and it's phenomenal. It's a lot of JFK stuff and it's

right in my wheelhouse. I'm very conspiracy-heavy these days. What do you have for this? But listen, let's say they're losing that Chargers game anyway. Yeah. They've now flipped the season around. All of a sudden, they have all this positive momentum behind Tyrod Taylor. Oh, I was wrong. You are good.

This is a sports movie move. To the Patriots. They're going to lose. Maybe they'll win. Maybe McDermott's a genius. Well, if he wins this game, I'll lean you away a little bit. They're a migraine team, the Bills, to bet on. You can't go either way with them.

The terrible Pat schedule has hidden some sins on this team, I will say. Their front seven's still shaky brady gets hit a ton brady's getting hit more this season than he's gotten hit since like 2009 yeah he takes a lot of hits um it's it's maybe they don't like that he's such a stat whore the line is like that might be part of it rebelled against him you're starting to hurt my feelings with that sunday night seahawks you didn't pick a line. Pats minus six. That's why we're doing this. Pats minus six,

I got. I said seven and a half, and it's nine. Nine? That's ridiculous. This is a totally losable game. I don't know. I feel like it should be ten. Yeah. You know what quarterback has the most wins in Buffalo?

Who? Jim Kelly. No. Tom Brady. Probably since 1999, I would say Tom Brady, right? It's probably close. Or since Jim Kelly retired, it's got to be Tom Brady. He has at least 12 or 13 wins there.

Maybe Bledsoe. Bledsoe had that one good season for them. Sunday night, Seahawks-Eagles. Great game. Really fun. That's an awesome had that one good season for them. Sunday night, Seahawks-Eagles. Great game. Really fun. That's an awesome one. Can't wait for this. You already let me know I was dead wrong on this.

I had the Seahawks by one and a half, and you're telling me the Eagles are favored. Yeah, I think I'm going to win this week. I said Philly by three and a half. It's four and a half. And like I said, first time in like five or six years that they're three point or more underdog at home. I just want to point out I was six points off with that line.

And whenever that happens— You're going to win? No, whenever that happens, usually that's a bad sign for the team that it swung too far. I think that line is too high. Yeah, they just beat the hell out of everyone. That's fine. You're talking about choking a team to death. They had three turnovers yesterday and still out-totaled the Bears in yardage, 420 to 140.

Spectacular. Pete Carroll is entering that might-be-losing-control-of-the-steering-wheel stage. Yeah. It took them five years to figure out a good and a good play inside the two-yard line which they finally did they put all the receivers on one side jimmy graham against one d-back and he just ran a little slant and it worked i think he has a tell and that's i mean he's letting us know that he's losing control he is chewing gum at a remarkable rate. Unbelievable rate. A volatile rate. Off the charts,

like even worse than three years ago. Monday night. And Chancellor's out. I don't know if you guys have Chancellor's out for the season. He's done. Yeah.

They're, they're, they, Legion of Bust. If Garoppolo played yesterday, I think the Niners would have won. Yeah. Yeah.

Monday night at Cincy. This is the game where Vontaze Burfecht might pull a last Boy Scout and just start shooting people on the field. Wow. Steelers by three and a half at Cincinnati is my pick. Wow.

And I'm parlaying that with a Vontaze Perfect murder. You lost bad this week, Bill Simmons. Yeah. I can see why you wanted to skip the line on some of these. It's Pittsburgh six and a half. Oh, that's absurd. Since he's playing half decent. 29-14 win, October 22nd.

That's a mistake. That line's too high. All right. I don't know. All I can do is be judged by my super contest record, which is right now. Yeah, what's going on with that? Right now it's 34-24. Why don't you just tell me what they are instead of we go

through all these teasers and nonsense i didn't like this week i still got it out to three and two i really like this week all right i mean i didn't like last week all right so coming off a really successful parent corner special episode of all of our uh parent corner things um expectations are high for this week. I'll let you go first. I don't, you know, I wish I had a great one, but it actually sounds like champagne problems. But you know when you want to upgrade your TV?

Like I'm getting a bigger TV for the living room, right? Now what happens? TVs are much cheaper these days. Exactly. What happens when you do that? All the other TVs move to the other rooms, right? The den TV goes to the bedroom. Bedroom goes, if you're lucky enough.

You start demoting TVs. When you have a family someday, you'll understand. Listen to this. It's great. Rich people problem. It's really good. So now my 12-year-old is like, all right, we're getting a new TV. I get whatever the shittiest tv is now

like in my room he doesn't have a tv in his room do your kids have tvs in their room my daughter does she does yeah when did she when did this happen uh about a year and a half ago and it was a part of a rotation switch it was a new it was a tv to motion really yeah yeah yeah it was one it was a leftover tv right oh okay. I don't know what to do here. I don't want to give it to him because I don't think we'll ever see him again. On the other hand, he doesn't get along with any of his brothers. So it would cost me nothing and there would be less screaming. My wife would be screaming.

You'd never have to see him again. Yeah. We'd have to see him. We'd have the screaming. Yeah. But we said no. You said no. You heard that.

You heard that. So now I have this extra TV and I want to raffle it off. Well, not raffle it off, but maybe we have some kind of contest for this. Why don't you dangle it? The TV my son should have had, but he's not getting it. Why don't you dangle it over his bed like a Money in the Bank match? Take out a billboard so when he drives by it from home, he just sees it. I was thinking.

I was like, you know what we're going to do? We're going to hang it in your bathroom. We're going to put it in his bathroom. If you want it that much, we're gonna put in this bathroom if you want it that much we'll see we'll see if you want but i want to raffle i want to give this away to a winner a listener or something well we'll come up with a contest midweek or something that's a good idea okay i like that which how tell us more about the tv uh well i don't know which one it is yet. Okay. It's enticing. It's a flat screen.

It's not one of those big ones with the big backyard. So it's a flat screen from like three, four years ago. It's not a Magnavox? No, no, not a Magnavox. I didn't get the specifics. I should have gotten the specifics. You know what we'll do? Because we're doing the Steve Kerr mailbag. Yeah.

The best mailbag answer. What question should it be, though? No, I'm saying the best mailbag question for the Steve Kerr thing. Okay. Gets my extra TV. Yeah, but it should probably be somebody in the LA area. What do I care? Are you going to mail it to them?

Oh, yeah. Oh, I see. Now it's getting complicated. You're mailing a TV. I don't want them coming to my house. Yeah, that would be weird, too. I think it's better if they come to your house and have your son stand there and have to give it to him tear drop there goes my tv when i was 12 years old i had a paper out and i got a t i had a four inch black and white tv and i would watch the odd couple at 11

o'clock and the honeymoon is 11 30 every night and that was it but i worked for it you know what my uh i spent thanksgiving with my mom yeah and she reminded me that when i when my parents got divorced they used to take the train back between boston and connecticut to see my dad on the weekends well first it was to see my mom on the weekends and then i moved to connecticut um but my stepdad got me this tv that was like probably a little bigger than an iPhone and fatter, and it had an antenna. Yes, I had one of those too. Was the antenna a cord or was it an actual metal? It was like this metal antenna.

And I would take the train, and I could watch it on certain points of the train or when it stopped or when I was whatever. But it would only get the local local channels like 247 so when i would take the train back on sundays i could catch football games can you be watching these patriot games they would fade in and out and and uh man we've come a long way yeah now it's like my iphone is connected to the sunday ticket package and like it's just it's amazing we have to everybody's shitting on 2017 i think sometimes we have to embrace the positives.

You're right. My parent corner this week. So this isn't my parent corner, but I did. I spent the weekend with my daughter in San Diego, and it was good. It's the whole – actually, I guess this could be part of the parent corner. We went to go we were she had this three day tournament in San Diego

and on Saturday we didn't have a game in the afternoon and she wanted to go to the movies so we went to go see Murder in the Orient Express or as my daughter or as my son calls it Murder in the Polar Express that's what I thought the movie was

so we go and it's basically sold out. And Lady Bird was playing. Right. Which I really wanted to see. And I was told, like, Amanda Dobbins of The Ringer said, Zoe should see it. It's important. It's about this girl in high school and her relationship with her mom.

I'm like, all right, I'm going to take her. So we go to Lady Bird. There's a losing the virginity scene in there which i wasn't totally prepared for and hanging out really enjoyed the movie it's you know it doesn't cross any lines and then all of a sudden uh she decides she's gonna gonna lose her virginity with this guy and she's on. And we're in this Sinopolis theater. Tate just looked at me terrified. I watch Fast Times at Ridgemont High on the flight back. So that also happens in that movie.

But it's probably totally different and more fun. This was a little more subtle. But still, I didn't know where it was going. And we're in this Sinopolis theater, which is this theater they had in Del Mar, which is nice. And it's got the recliner seats and all this. And I dive over to cover her eyes. And she's covering her eyes.

And she's at this point more embarrassed to be around you. We're both embarrassed. This is why you just have to. Yeah, it's horrible. And there's 10 seconds and her eyes are closed. And there's a little groaning. And I just wanted to die. But that's like a little groaning. Yeah. And I just wanted to die.

But that's not my parent corner for this week. Let me just say, I just thought of an idea while you said that. The movie theater should provide you with an extra bucket. You buy your popcorn and then you get an empty bucket so you could shove it over your kid's head. Yes, when the sex scenes are going on. Or you should just club your kid unconscious until the thing ends. There's something there. Some kind of injection. injection fortunately it ended within like 10 12 seconds oh you have such bad luck with this well that but that's i have a better paracorder story this week so we're we're

hanging out on wednesday there's this new show on showtime called smilf yeah right and we had the funny show yeah yeah put it on my daughter's working on some science project she's not watching my wife my wife and i're watching and my son's on his like on somebody's iphone just watching slime videos or something i'm barely paying attention. Smilf starts. There's a basketball scene. It's fine. It seems OK. And I'm going through basketball scores and not really paying attention. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, Bill, Bill, turn it off. And I look up. And the lead character of Smilf has one of those tiny little rabbit vibrators.

And she's like, turn this off. So now I'm grabbing the remote. And I flip it off and not sure if my son saw anything and my my son turns he's got this big smile on his face and he goes she was gonna use a vibrator on her vajayjay he just turned 10 he totally knew it was going on and and it was it was one of the most horrifying moments of my life oh he's making his own she was gonna use a vibrator in her vajayjay actual quote from my son there's no bucket for that my daughter had probably had no idea what was going on

my son instantly recognizes the rabbit vibrator so now now it's big you need to check what he's watching on his phone. Yeah, big debate about maybe our YouTube parental control things. Where is he finding this rabbit? Did the Undertaker pull out a rabbit vibrator? I barely know what a rabbit vibrator looks like. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm uncomfortable.

She's going to use a vibrator on her vajayjay. That's a crazy quote. Who knew Leatherface was going to be a more positive story than that story? So anyway, the moral of that story is don't watch Smurf with your 10-year-old kid. Don't watch anything. Don't watch anything.

Just put your kids in a bubble. Have the empty bucket ready. What a week for me. What do you got to plug? Anything? I don't know why I topped that, but Jimmy Kimmel Live tomorrow night,

Tuesday night, the Red Show. Benefits AIDS. We're going to have Bono on. And against all odds, we'll go over the conference picks. Bobby Carpenter will join us. And Bob Arum next week.

We have a lot of Bobs. And then Bob Newhart, I think, hopefully later on. Did the parlay kid have a better week this week he lost again miami hurricanes should we start should we be shorting the parlay kid it's hard because he does parlay so how do you do that maybe you just bet the other teams yeah until they lose right yeah he's still confident though He is very confident What was the Mike Tyson

The Mike Tyson game Who was the first The first person you fought In the Mike Tyson video game It was Glass Joe The part of that kid is the Glass Joe Of our generation He's got to rally out of this

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Congratulations, Dad. Thank you, I think. 70, it's not a birthday I was looking forward to. And everybody keeps telling me when they call me today that 70 is the new 50. But I think that's only for people. Yeah, that's what they're saying. 70 is the new 50 but i think that's what they're saying yeah but yeah that's what they're saying 70 is the new 50 yeah but i think i like it it's people who haven't turned 70 who are telling me that so i think when they turn 70 they're not going to be saying that but uh hey Hey, I feel 50, and obviously I look 50. My mind is really alert, and I know so much about sports that I should have my own podcast.

I'm thinking that a 70-year-old could probably take out an age discrimination suit against the ringer. So keep that in mind. Listen, if there are sponsors out there ready to sponsor the Blue Plate Special, we're happy to do it. You would think that would be an underexploited podcast market. I think AARP was probably going to sponsor it.

Don't you think? They could do that. Maybe some... Depends. Depends diapers? Depends. I mean, I could give you a list. Some wine would be a good one. Viagra, Cialis.

Viagra and Cialis could be good. For your 70th birthday, I got you a very successful Celtics season and a successful Pats season and a decent Red Sox thing. Our teams are looking good. I think this next decade is going to be great for you. It's been very enjoyable. You know,

it's been fun to ride the Celtics wave. The Patriots, what, 17 years now, have been so much fun. And they looked pretty good yesterday. I'm a little worried

about how we keep getting banged up, but, um, hopefully nothing too serious. I don't mean to, I don't mean to put you on the spot on your 70th birthday, but I think you need to apologize to America for not liking the Kyrie Irving trade.

I think it's time. Yeah. I, do you have a, a clip of me actually saying I didn't like that trade? Yeah. You literally came on the podcast and said we gave up too much and you weren't sure. I'm not, my memory might be slowly fading, but that's not what I said. I talked about how I watched the whole season of Isaiah Thomas giving heart and soul to the team.

And I just had mixed feelings about how he had been treated. It was really not about Kyrie Irving. It was about the Isaiah Thomas piece of letting him go and how strange it all seemed. Yeah, I'm a little worried about that Brooklyn draft pick. Every day I look in the standings and hope that Brooklyn won the night before and that Cleveland ends up with the fifth pick instead of the second or third pick. But I'm going to have to be very honest. Kyrie is like no player that I've watched in person before. I thought

Isaiah's season last year was phenomenal and kind of otherworldly, but Kyrie Irving is a magician with that ball. It almost looks like he has the ball in the string, doesn't it? He's unbelievable. The crowd loves

him. The crowd loves him. The crowd loved Isaiah too, but this is, it feels slightly different because Kyrie is just incredible. Isaiah would have, you know, he had certain moves that he would do, but we got used to him over a while. We knew when he was going to do them, but he had like his four or five go-to things. Kyrie has no go-to thing. It's like he can have five guys in front of him. It just goes through every, it's like watching Bobby Orr.

I'm not going to say that so quickly after a quarter of a season, but it is, I mean, I used to tell you when, when you were growing up that there was only one hockey player that would keep me home watching TV to watch a hockey game at night, and it was Bobby Orr.

And I kind of feel the same way about watching Irving. Now, I mean, last year, again, I don't want to be too repetitive, but Isaiah's season was so unique that his ability to hit the three-point shot, he was different than Kyrie's. I'm sure his percentage with threes, it was higher than Kyrie's. But he also had trouble, as we saw in the playoffs, getting into the basket, getting into the middle. Kyrie, I think if he wanted to score at any time during the game, he could. Yeah, I agree. I think he's unstoppable when he wants to do what he does and get to the basket and make the other players look silly trying to guard him. So that's unique and that's

different than Isaiah. Here's the text you sent me after the trade on August 23rd. I don't know. Still startled by the trade, does he really think the world is flat? Well, what's the matter with that statement? I still don't have an answer to that question. I don't care anymore, by the way. If it is flat, that's fine with me. Yeah, I don't have an actual text from you.

You did come on the pod, though. No, you're making stuff up. If that's the most you have as evidence, that says nothing about my feelings about Kyrie as a basketball player. Then on August 31st you texted Irving, Hayward, Horford, Brown, Tatum, and Smart. Should be

fun. Okay. Sounds like you were kind of talked yourself into it a little bit there. It was not a matter of talking myself into it. I just felt really badly like most good Boston basketball fans felt about Isaiah and what he gave to us and the way it went down, I guess. And you miss Jay Crowder.

You miss watching him. He's another piece of this. I am thoroughly enjoying Jay Crowder's year so far in Cleveland. We knew he couldn't shoot for three. Yeah. And it's pretty funny to watch his, I don't know if he's gotten over 30% yet. I don't think he has.

Great teammate. He somehow became a little bit overrated as the whole thing went along. And then you see the athleticism of Tatum and Brown. As you said, it's early and it's been only 20 games. But from just a sheer fun standpoint of just a most fun night-to-night team to watch, where you kind of feel like you have to watch because you don't want to miss anything. This team's way up there. I'd almost have to go back to the Reggie Lewis teams.

The last couple, the teams with Reggie Lewis and Dee Brown and McHale, Bird with the back brace. That was the last time I remember night-to-night just feeling like I didn't want to miss a game. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the 07-08 year was just an outstanding comeback year. It was fun because we were good again, but it wasn't as entertaining as this team. You know what I mean?

It was entertaining, but not in this way. Well, Garnett was entertaining. We always were wondering what he was going to do. But it was entertaining in a way I've seen before. This team, it's like Kyrie Knight tonight is just incredible. Tatum is as much fun as I've had watching a Celtics rookie. I don't even know

how far you'd have to go back. He's more fun than Pierce was as a rookie. You and I have the same feeling about Tatum. We just wish he played more. I'm not sure. There are times Steven takes him out and I'm not quite sure why. He can be a little passive in the first half in certain games,

and that's all being a rookie. There's so much further potential with that guy. And he's making the three-point shot that people wondered, could he shoot the three in the pros? He's got like six offensive moves already which which is you know i wrote about a couple weeks ago i wrote about how he has that dr j swoop two-step swoop move from either side he can do it left or right he's got the pull-up jumper which is a shot that we take for granted but not everybody has. And he can also shoot from three. And then he has a post-up move

that I feel like is the great unexplored terrain of the Celtics season so far. When they post him up, I always feel like something good's going to happen. He can pass out of the double team too. He is one of the most polished young players I've ever watched.

I agree. And you think he's 24 years old, and he's 19 years old. We saw, you didn't go to a lot of the games, Pierce's rookie year, the strike season. I used to take your tickets and go. And Pierce had played three years in college and was on a team that was kind of a mess, and Patino was a disaster

and pierce would show flashes and it was clear that he had he could get to the rim when he wanted he had a pull-up three like tatum does and he had kind of that herky-jerky old man game already i actually think tatum's offensive game i don't think the stats will reflect it because he doesn't take as many shots but i think his game is just more advanced than Pierce was. And he's three years younger than Pierce was that season. I agree. You haven't seen him in person yet. No, I saw him

in person in the Nets game. Oh, okay. Isn't he a lot bigger than you thought? Yeah, his arms are long. He's a solid 6'9 nine but it almost feels like he's seven feet he's had some rebounds in traffic that right are like these big boy in a crowd man rebounds you know and i agree i agree and then you were away you went to london to to see my cousin

during the warriors game but jalen jalen made a leap and i don't know if it's going to last, but he went to another level starting with that Warriors game. And athletically, he's starting to put it together. There's some really interesting comp stats of him with people like Paul George and Jimmy Butler, year one, year two, if you look at his numbers versus guys like that. He's hitting all the right checkpoints. I think he's better than I thought he of us thought he was going to be.

Don't you agree? I agree. I had questions about him last year just because he was so inconsistent shooting the jump shot. And secondly, he was extremely tentative on offense. Yeah. I mean, you and I talked about it. So often they'd come down and he'd go in one of the two corners

and just stand there and not be aggressive when he got the ball. He doesn't do that anymore. That's not the case this year. He's very aggressive. I'd like to see him go to the basket more. I think sometimes he settles for the three. When he's such a terrific finisher, I'd like to see him go to the basket. It's been a fun season.

And Horford's been a lot better this year because of the way he plays off with Kyrie. Kyrie has made Horford better. That's a real difference. The Horford-Thomas combo... Was not like this. That wasn a, that's a real difference. The Horford Thomas combo, um, was not like this. That wasn't Thomas's game, you know, and you can really see the difference with Kyrie. You know, the, the other thing, and it's, you and I over the years, it's something we always would take a look at what's the bench look like, you know, when they have a timeout, what's going on before the game, what's going on. And this is a team that likes each other.

Obviously they have a great coach, but the players really like each other when, when somebody scores, they're all up cheering for the guy. It doesn't, it could be the 12th man on the team. Yeah. Those are things I really am encouraged by in terms of going forward because you didn't see that on the Cavaliers. Do I have a hope for my 70th birthday? I hope that Hayward is back for the

playoffs. Nobody's talking about it. It's a long way away. That would be fabulous. The Hayward thing is like the great unknown because clearly Tatum and Brown would not have played this much and got thrown into the fire like they got. But you don't want that to happen at the expense of Hayward breaking

his ankle and who knows if he's ever going to be the same. But if he does come back and he can even give them 20 minutes a game in mid-april off the bench they're missing that they're missing that one other forward who knows what they're doing they're missing one other score that knows what they're doing and tatum had the deer in the headlights in the warriors game which was totally understandable but that was the game where it made you realize how much they rely on Tatum's offense sometimes when nothing else is working or Jalen Brown,

one of those two guys, which is, you know, not ideal for two guys who are still trying to figure out who they are. Hayward would help. Well, you throw a, you throw a second team of, uh, of Tatum, Baines, Smart, and Rozier coming off the bench. And I think Rozier's taking a step forward. Yeah, he's been really good. The thing I've been telling people,

because they've been asking me if this is a fluke or not, and it's not a fluke because Kyrie is one of the best nine players in the league. But the other thing is they can get stops when they want, and they have lineups that are just good. Like the Horford, Brown, Tatum, Smart, and Kyrie. I don't know what the plus minus of that lineup is, but I guarantee it's in the top five in the league. And when they play that lineup, that lineup does well and they get stops.

But I don't think this is a fluke, and I think Kyrie actually, he broke a side of his face, and he's been wearing the stupid mask that he hates. He was about to go really to another level even before that. And I think once, once that mask goes off, all that stuff, wait, anyway, the reason I wanted to have you on other than to say happy birthday and talk about the salts for a second is you, you do have a birthday wish that you want, and we're going to tell Danny H what you want for your 70th birthday.

So I'll let you take the floor. You know, and I think it's partly related to the Haywood injury, but also having now watched a quarter of the season, I'd love to see them make a move for Okafor. Under, under Steven's guidance. Yeah, I mean, we know he's a terrific offensive player because having watched him against the Celtics, we had nobody who could stop him. But I know he has defensive deficiencies. I'd like to see Stephen's work with him.

I always liked Monroe coming off the bench when he was with Milwaukee and boy I'd love to see Okafer come off the bench with our second team and that's my birthday wish Tate's here you haven't quit on Okafer yet have you Tate?

no and Titus said he was the best Titus is Tate's college basketball podcast partner on the One Shining podcast. He's stuck. Titus said Okafer is the best low post scorer he's ever seen in college. He's Al Jefferson. Yeah. Yeah.

He's with poor coaching. I mean, the guy really hasn't been coached. And now he's just sitting on the bench, not even playing. I mean, I read an article today that the coach doesn't want to embarrass him i mean move them we have second round picks move them bring them in we have the money we you know don't you think we don't really have yeah we don't really have anyone like him either i i just feel like stevens is Stevens is one of the best NBA coaches of this generation.

If Okafor has something in there, he's going to get to it. I agree. What do you have to lose, too? Marcus Smart on 25 of the 30 teams, his career is completely different. Stevens has figured out how to

turn him into something. There's only a couple coaches that matter. I feel the same way about Terry Rozier. Yeah, he's an asset now. Yeah, he's an asset now. Hey, that's my birthday wish. All right. Danny Ainge, that's my birthday wish.

All right. All right. Dad, happy birthday. Thanks for coming on. We'll talk to you soon. Alright, thanks. Talk to you soon. Bye. of your music and more. Use your voice to play your songs, manage your smart devices, all using a single Sonos speaker. Sonos offering the listeners of the Bill Simmons Podcast 10% off one order of $2,500 or less for any product on Sonos.com.

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