The Bill Simmons Podcast - Hayward Flees Boston, MVP Mahomes, the NFC Least and #FreeHerbert With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons shares his thoughts on Gordon Hayward turning down his $34 million player option to become a free agent, ultimately ending up on the Charlotte Hornets (2:00). Then Bill is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Chiefs' comeback win over the Raiders and Patrick Mahomes’s ironclad case for MVP. They also cover the Dolphins’ flop against the Broncos, Joe Burrow’s season-ending injury, an ugly Browns win over the Eagles, plus Packers-Colts, Saints-Falcons, Vikings-Cowboys, the competitive AFC, the ridiculous NFC East, and more (17:00). They then Guess the NFL Lines for Week 12 (1:05), which is followed by Parent Corner (1:31:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're going to get to Cousin Sal and Pearl Jam in one second. I wanted to mention, I was thinking about Gordon Hayward this weekend. He left. He signed a ridiculous contract with Charlotte, $120 million for four years. Staggering. I thought if he opted out initially that it was going to be maybe, I don't know, 80, 85 million for four years, something like that. And maybe not worth it to opt out at all. He had 34.5 coming in from Boston, but he opted out. Everybody knew there was a mystery team. They thought it was the

Knicks. Charlotte didn't have the cap space. They had to do some really crazy dumb stuff just to pull this off. First, they had to overpay Hayward. And then second, it seems like they had to stretch Nicholas Batum's contract. So instead of just having that as an expiring contract this year, which you can either just run off your cap after the season or trade, you carve that up. So over the next three years it's worth nine million each season so they have to carry it for two extra seasons just to sign Hayward which makes no sense

when you're Charlotte and you have no chance to win the title this is why once upon a time Daryl Morey told me as long as there's seven dumb teams I'll be fine well you see it every year

you saw it with Charlotte. You saw it with Detroit during the free agency. Detroit was off the rocker. Anyway, with Hayward, it seemed like he was headed to Indiana and the Celtics were haggling over sign and trade stuff. Who knows what to believe? I'm sure the whole story will come out.

I had heard it was Turner and McDermott and then Danny Ange wanted one other thing. Couldn't get it. They couldn story will come out. I had heard it was Turner and McDermott. And then Danny Ainge wanted one other thing. Couldn't get it. They couldn't figure it out. Maybe they didn't really totally want to figure it out because maybe they knew they had Tristan Thompson coming, which who they signed for two years, 19.5 million, I think. I love that signing.

I've always wanted to see him on the Celtics. I think he's perfect for them in so many different ways. Really good rebounder, proven defender. You can switch with him. He's really nice on pick and rolls. His hands are always around the rims. They've never really totally had a guy like this. And I wanted them to get him last year.

So maybe part of the reason they didn't want to do the Indiana trade was they knew they had a chance to get Thompson. Regardless, they lose an asset that, and as people have talked about over and over again, these last five, six days, as we've wondered what was going to happen with Hayward, it's really hard when you're over the cap to replace somebody who has a big cap figure like that without getting a contract, sign and trade, anything, to just lose it really hurts. And it's a setback for them. But the bigger thing I was thinking, this is the worst Celtics free agent signing of all time. In retrospect, Gordon Hayward. I don't blame him. This was not his fault. He got hurt within an hour of his first Celtics game. How it played out was ridiculous.

I remember where I was when I was listening to it on the radio. Opening night, Cavs, him, Kyrie, Al Horford got there the year before. They had Tatum and Brown. Everything seems so freaking promising. And then he has this freak injury, and it's one of the worst injuries that we've ever had on an NBA court. And it just set the tone for what happened

over the course of the next three years. But removing what happened in the bad luck part of it, and you just look at the money they spent and the production they got back, it's a disastrous for agent signing. And you just look at the money they spent in the production they got back. It's a disastrous for agent signing. And again, not his fault, but his last three jazz seasons, he was 25 and four, 20 points a game, five rebounds, four assists, 45% field goal percentage, made almost two threes a game. And here's the big thing, six free throw attempts a game. And that spoke to the style that he had. He was

just as really physical, semi-reckless, athletic forward, six foot eight, could get to the rim, slash and kick, really good passer. And the kind of guy that no matter how good Tatum got was somebody that could play with Tatum and Brown and be somebody like a pseudo point forward. You could potentially run the ball through him in crunch time. You could space the floor with him, all the stuff that, you know, if you've ever watched him. The drop off of those stats for the three Boston seasons are remarkable. So he plays three years in Boston and he, during the regular season, he's 14 and 5, 48% field goal. The free throw attempts dropped to 2.7. So he goes from six a game in Utah to 2.7 in Boston, which speaks to A, didn't have the ball enough. And B, was just a different kind

of player because once he had that injury, was not going to the rim the same way he did in Utah. It just wasn't. So he missed 121 games in three years And he missed 31 of 45 playoff games over those three years. He missed all the 2018 games, played all nine in 2019 when he really was, you know, he averaged 11 points a game that year and just looked like a shell of himself. And then last year gets hurt in the first playoff game again, comes back for the last few. So he played 14 of a possible 45 playoff games in three years,

averaged 10 points a game in the playoffs. And there was only one stretch where you could see the potential of what this was. It was the beginning of the 2019-2020 season. First seven games, he averaged 20.3 a game, eight rebounds, 4.6 assists.

He shot 56%. And he looked like the best guy on the team. And then, of course, yet again, bad luck breaks his hand. But I think he had 39. Maybe it was even against Charlotte or Chicago, one of those teams. Two games before, he broke his hand. And it looked like he was back. So it never happened. Got hurt.

Couldn't really ever find his footing again. Then Tatum, it became Tatum's team right before the bubble, right before the pandemic happened. Come back to the bubble. Now he's healthy again. Nope. He gets hurt again. He sprains his ankle.

It just was the most snakebit Boston athlete run I've seen in my lifetime that I can remember. And there's been other sad Boston stories over the years, like before my time, but when I was growing up, I always heard about Tony Canigliero and the 67 Red Sox. And then he got hit by a pitch, Jack Hamilton, fastball. I think that was his name, Jack Hamilton. And Tony C was never the same.

And people are like, could he have hit 500 homers? There was that. Len Bias was sad for different reasons. Never even got to see him in a Celtic uniform. Cam Neely got taken out by Elf Samuelson.

Bobby Orr ends up playing nine years for the Bruins. It should have been 20. There's been a lot of... With any sports city, you have your guys, you have your things where you're like, man, if only that hadn't happened, if only this hadn't happened, and you go through it. Hayward is definitely one of those guys because you think they strike oil with Tatum and Brown in back-to-back years. And whether it's Isaiah Thomas, Kyrie, Kemba, they always have an all-star caliber point guard. They have a top five coach.

And then you add Horford for at least the first two years and the Hayward piece. And man, if you press the reset button and think about those three Celtic years, they make two conference finals. But weirdly feels like them not making the finals one of those years with the kind of team that they had,

with LeBron leaving the conference, with what happened in the bubble last year, with the Bucks never being ready yet, it's kind of impossible. I think if you simulated it 50 times, and including the Sacramento pick that never came through and the Memphis pick that never quite came through

the way they thought, all the assets they had, it's kind of unbelievable that they never made the finals. With the amount of talent, the money they spent, all of this was pointing to this three-year stretch. And Hayward was kind of symbolic of it. The fact that it just never quite got there. And I think the worst Celtics free agent signings ever, Purvis Allison was always number one for me.

The one Rasheed Wallace here was an abomination. Thankfully, he left. He retired. Travis Knight was a bad one. Thankfully, he left. He retired. Travis Knight was a bad one. Cal Cheney. They really were less terrible Celtic for agent signings than I can remember.

They overpaid Dana Barrows once, but he was kind of fun to watch. This was the biggest money they ever spent on somebody that didn't pan out. And again, for the 15th time, not his fault. But when you think about just as a Boston fan

and in your head, you go to the all-time list of, oh man, that free agent signing, God. Carl Crawford, Adelius Thomas, Jack Clark, Pablo Sandoval. I remember Matt Young, that was a disaster. Dice K, Kevin Stevens. Any Boston fan can rattle them off. And if you're a Chicago fan, you're going to rattle off your 10. And if you're a New York fan, same thing. If you're a Laker fan, I'm sorry, Los Angeles fan, same thing. You're going to have your guys. Hayward's on the list, unfortunately. He is. He is going to be a default reference

for anyone who follows Boston sports for the rest of eternity as a huge, huge free agent swing that did not work out. And again, for the 19th time, not his fault. But that's how it played out. He had three Boston seasons. And the only time we ever saw what they paid for was that seven game stretch in the third season when he looked like an all

star and then he got hurt again. And it's a bummer. It's weird. I'm kind of mad that he didn't stay because I feel like, especially when you think about some of the stuff he said about reuniting with Brad Stevens and trying to be a winner in Boston, all that stuff, you know, that this was going to be the moment, you know, for him to reach the pinnacle, all that stuff. And now it's like, hey, cool, I'm just going to get paid by Charlotte for four years. that injury was so traumatic and you know when your body is your livelihood and that gets compromised and threatened the way it did and it changes the way you play and the amount of rehab and all the stuff he had to go through and the baggage that he had in Boston frankly combined with the fact that

it became Tatum's team and he was always going to be a third or fourth option I'm not surprised that he left and I'm not surprised that he left and I'm not surprised that he didn't want to stay. And I'm not surprised he wanted to take an obscene amount of money from Charlotte to play with LaMelo Ball, Terry Rozier for a team that has a chance maybe to be an eight seed max. But this is just a weird one. I think when you follow a team, especially me, I've been a Celtics fan, God, for 46 years at this point, 47 years. I don't even remember how long.

This was certainly the weirdest beginning, middle, end of any guy who passed through the Celtics franchise. So it definitely sets them back. I think they were able to scramble and get Tristan Thompson back at least, or else it's an all-time terrible disaster of an offseason where everybody either stayed the same or got better in their conference and they undeniably would have gotten worse. So now you could argue flipping Hayward for Thompson. Thompson simply could play crunch time.

Marcus Smart could grab Gordon Hayward's minutes. So maybe it's salvageable if they can look out with some of the draft picks that Tatum can do a little bit more. But still a bummer. And I feel bad for Hayward. And this is just the worst case scenario of how it could have worked out.

So we're going to talk about on Tuesday, I'm going to do a gigantic free agency podcast, breaking down everything I saw and really go on a deep dive on that. So stay tuned for that on Tuesday. One thing I will say, I really did think the Lakers got better. I was impressed by the moves they made. I thought the Schroeder trade was really smart. I loved how they got Harrell

as a six-man borderline could play him crunch time sometimes. Bringing KCP back was really smart. Marc Gasol will help them against certain teams, especially in the playoffs. And Wesley Matthews, you know,

he could be a ninth, tenth man, but they definitely got better. You know, whether LeBron will be able to play at the same level he played last year with the kind of miles that he's put on as a performer the last 16 years, we'll see. But they definitely got better. And you look around, Clippers kind of stayed the same. Portland, people just love to blow Neil O'Shea every time Portland has an offseason.

They're fine. They're not going to win the title. They did okay. I'm not going to throw a celebration party for Rodney Hood and Cantor and bringing Carmelo Anthony back and whatever. But Denver took a step back. They lost Jeremy Grant. Go down the line,

it's like the Lakers, the Mavs really didn't do anything. It really seems like they're kind of staring at 2021 and Giannis now. But the Lakers are in a great spot for a repeat. And I'm going to have to ask my mom to put LeBron and Davis's picture in the freezer and put the kibosh on that. So count on me to do that. Coming up, we're going to talk football with the Cubs first.

Pearl Jam. All right. Week 11 is now in the books. Cousin Sal is here. Sal and I have seen a lot of each other. We had like two dinners in a row. We had a lot of time, a lot of quality time. We're back. We really did.

Yeah, this is going to be seamless after a while, time, a lot of quality time. We're back. We really did. Yeah, this is going to be seamless after a while, right? I know. It's too much time together. No, it was good. Yeah, we need a break. I want to see other people. We'll start with Mahomes because he won the MVP tonight.

You said Mahomes heading into this weekend was plus 180. Yeah. And a bunch of stuff happens, right? Wilson basically lost all his momentum a couple weeks ago. Right. Kyler Murray has the tough loss on Thursday night. Then Rodgers is like, well, if he beats the Colts, he's in the mix.

No, they lose an OT. And then Mahomes, who played really well tonight, I thought, but then the Raiders come and all of a sudden he's got 95 seconds to basically march him down the field for a field goal. But you know, he's not just going for a field goal. He makes it so easy. He does it in 45, 50 seconds. And I leave that game and I'm like, wow, what are we doing? Mahomes is the MVP. Yeah. He was 25 touchdowns, one pick

coming into tonight and only had two, although it seemed like he had four, right? But he only had two touchdowns. I don't know. They just, it's the same thing. I'm not saying anything new here. They make it look so easy to a point where if they drop a pass on third and one or something like, oh my God, that's a, it's so unnatural to see, but he just does it. And you knew with 150% certainty, only seeing him that he was going to throw that touchdown to kelsey right you just knew once he avoided the rushers it's like okay he's now toying with this defense and the raiders played well i thought right like they there were no before that and before the last drive there were no long plays like they really made them work for every single play and especially since those guys didn't practice all week and three of them weren't allowed to play anyway, three starters.

So, yeah, great job. He's the MVP. They got a lot of good stuff out of Carr until the last drive. They have some explosive dudes on both sides of the ball. And if you catch them on the right week, you would assume they were one of the six or seven best teams. They have some clunkers over the course of the first three months, which is, I think, why we're always a little wary, why the line was seven points tonight,

even though it's in Las Vegas. But you made the key point. There's never a doubt with Mahomes. He's the only guy in the league right now that down three, less than two minutes, you just know. You're like, all right, if this doesn't happen, I'm going to be shocked. Well, Vegas, ironically, Vegas knows. And FanDuel, they had the live line when they were down three with the ball. Well, they have to drive 75 yards to go ahead. They could have kicked the field, go to tie, go to overtime, but they went minus 125. No quarterback gets that respect, right? Down three, driving the field, minus 125 to the game and um but who the hell's taking the raiders in that spot no one you know that's one of your favorite subplots every week i don't

know if people listening know this but sal and i occasionally we we like to put wagers on the games to make it more exciting and sometimes you'll sometimes you'll monitor some of the activity in the wager community during these games and And really for the last year and a half, anytime the chiefs are down or it's in peril, you're always like chiefs are plus one 25 right now. Chiefs are plus 200. What are we doing? Right.

And it's just nobody. As long as they're within 10, it always seems like they're going to win. Yeah. Cause there's a, one of the teams that they make the line, the initial line so high, like even minus eight on the road against Las Vegas. You said

it. Vegas was going to come out and play tough. But yeah, that's why you want to get it when they're down or minus 150 or plus 150 or right in that range. That's the value as a gambler. I'm told that's where you make your money. Not at the minus eights and things like that. Do you like what you're seeing from the defense for them?

Because I think we have a big enough sample size to worry about it in a legitimate way that they cannot get stops. Yeah, no. I thought they would come out and play hard. And it was the Raiders defense or what was left of them that played hard. And the truth is, what was it? It was Aguilar dropped that pass yeah could have put him up 10 right

they were up three um he scrambled Carr Carr was great Carr was really good he went harking back to his close to MVP season a few years back before he got hurt well I know I think I blocked that out of my mind he was that's something that? entering week 12 he was a favorite to win MVP and then he got hurt he got shelved for the year remember that thing I was in a coma yeah you were in a coma I should have told you to sit down before I

explained that to you but he made all the right even like looping passes and stuff like didn't do anything stupid played great under pressure and had a lot of drops they kept throwing to that fullback, Engold or whatever. He couldn't catch for shit. And really, if you take away those drops,

Raiders probably win that game. Yeah, it's weirdly a moral win for the Raiders. They beat them the first time, came damn close to beating them the second time. They're still in the playoff mix. Right now, we have six teams in the AFC that are 7-3 or better,'re still in the playoff mix. Right now, we have six teams in the AFC that are seven and three or better, and there's seven playoff

spots. That seventh spot, three, six, and four teams, Vegas, Baltimore, and then Miami, who we'll get to in a little bit. But if I'm a Raiders fan, I come out of that game thinking we can play with anyone in the AFC. Not afraid of Pittsburgh.

Just going down the line, it's like we can hang with all these the AFC, not afraid of Pittsburgh. Right. Just going down the line. It's like, we can hang with all these teams. We can run the ball. We have dudes who could make, we have receivers that can make plays. We have a tight end. Who's really good. And on defense, we can at least create some pressure. Like my homes was scrambling for his life there a couple of times. He's just my homes. Like he was creating plays where all the quarterbacks we watched over the course of the day to day,

a lot of those guys would have been chased down. Yeah. Some of those plays. I look at it like, you know, there's so many different ways you can measure a team's greatness because any one of these teams could get beat on a Saturday or Sunday when the playoffs roll around.

Right. We saw even the chiefs defense are going to put them in peril a few times, probably in January and maybe February. But what about this? Like who are you most confident? What offense on third and three? I put the Raiders right up there. They're top three or four right now that,

that Waller gets, it's stupid to call him a tight end anymore. Maybe it's good for the organization. Cause they don't have to pay him as a wide receiver or, or something, but he is always open. He is so physical. And even when you try to double cover him, he's open.

So I think that's a big help for Carr on like third and short and stuff. And that's why they're going to be scary. I have a PSA for all the announcers out there. Collinsworth was the latest victim. Yeah. Everyone watching these games has a fantasy team, I'm guessing.

I'm going to say like 80 to 90% of the people. Yeah, probably. We don't need the one minute lecture about how nobody talks about Darren Waller and nobody realizes he's good. We all know every single guy who's good. There's no guy in any game that I'm watching that I haven't considered for fantasy football aspects

in some way. We're not surprised. There's no news flashes as we're watching Sunday Night Football. Nobody's going, wait, Darren Waller, he's pretty good. Does anyone have him in my league? It's not happening. It's kind of insulting because then they immediately show

the graphic of, there it is, Kelsey and Waller. One's one and one's two. Look at total yards. Look at touchdowns. Look at for tight ends. Yeah, we all know that. He's two and Kittle's three. We get it. Those are the top three or four. The Andrews on Baltimore, all great. I don't know what to say.

If you want to shock us, do the, hey, we don't talk about Ryan Izzo enough. Yeah, right. Because it's like, yeah, you're right. We actually don't because he's not very good. The AFC, I was going to do the NFCs, but we'll do that in a second. The AFC,

I actually really like the nine teams for different reasons as playoff teams. Like even if you're thinking Cleveland at seven and three, you know, they have a way of, they just turn every game into the ugliest thing you've ever seen in your life. Which I think in a weird way is a talent. It's almost like when those basketball teams

play those 85 to 80 games, something they do sucks the other team down to their level. And it's just this disjointed, ugly game. They're running the ball a lot. You never feel good about it. If you bet them, if you bet the other team,

you're worried the whole time. It's just weird. Uh, Tennessee, I just, we're back to Cleveland. Like I really hope they don't make it because they are ugly. For some reason, they played in rain every game since September.

Right. You know, everyone's going back. They attract bad weather. I think bad weather follows them, whatever city they're in. And Baker never has to be good. And it was 12 for 22 today. Didn't throw any picks, which kept them in it. And the fact that they play the Eagles kept them in it.

And everyone's like, oh, Nick Chubb. It's a new team with Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb is 30 yards entering the fourth quarter before he breaks one off for 60. And then they end up winning. But I think you're with me in that there's so many other teams. If there's seven, you want someone out there. They're going to get that spot because they have seven wins

already. And I think they play the Giants and Jets and maybe Jaguars too, I think. Yeah. I'm going to go through it right now. By the way, they're up seven, nothing. Mayfield always do his handoff for the second half and they're going to win. He's like, nah, I'm actually going to put the ball on the ground for an Eagles defensive touchdown. I'm going to try that, make this a little more exciting. So Pittsburgh's 10 and 0. KC is now nine and one Buffalo is seven and three game lead in the AFC East India is seven and three tied with, with, uh, Tennessee at seven and three. So then you have Cleveland seven and three, and then Vegas, Baltimore, Miami, six and

four across the board from an easy schedule standpoint, Cleveland's got Jacksonville next week at Tennessee, Baltimore at the giants and jets. And then Pittsburgh week 17 in a game that unless Pittsburgh is 15 and oh, all the backups are playing that game. We won't see one good player. So that's probably the easiest schedule of all of them. You look at Baltimore, Baltimore six and four, and I want to talk about them in one second. And they're at Pittsburgh Thursday night. They lose that. Now they're 6-5. They go Dallas at

Cleveland, Jacksonville, Giants at Cincy. So the last five are pretty easy. I would say that's a must-win because it seems like 11-5 is going to be the cutoff in the AFC somehow. For Baltimore, that's a must-win? Thursday, you said? Yeah, because I think they would have to run the slate if they the AFC somehow. For Baltimore, that's a must win?

Thursday, you said? Yeah, because I think they would have to run the slate if they don't win that game. I really do think 11-5 is going to be the cutoff in the AFC somehow. Yeah, maybe. And I was thinking, oh, Cleveland, good. Get them out of there. Put them up against the two seed,

which will probably be the Chiefs, and then they'll be out of it. But Cleveland's looking like a five or six seed, right? Because just who's on their schedule, they're going to get to 10 wins. I know I keep thinking you can't have it always, right? I'm like, the Chargers are much more exciting to root for as an eight seed,

but it's just not going to happen like that, right? We're going to be stuck with a crap team. I think they're a crap team. The Browns are just, you know, thrive in bad weather. They just need to go four and two the rest of the way, and they get to 11 and five, and they're making it at that point. They got it. So then they're making it.

They're like a six seed at worst, right? Yeah. And then they would play like a Tennessee or an Indianapolis or something like that. So I don't know what happened to Miami today, and we're going to go into a little thing we came up with a little bit later. I don't know whether to throw that game out as just a bad game or there's maybe they just look good the last couple of weeks, but we were overrating them, myself included. Baltimore,

we've had a much longer look at here and it seems like there are real problems. They've had some bad injuries on both sides of the ball. And I always talk about the year from hell team starting to wonder if, if they're, they're kind of nearing year from hell potential. They, I don't know how many people out there actually watched it, but Lamar had a chance to, to score a touchdown and just win the game. Yeah. And they're basically inside the 20. And as I was watching, I'm sure you thought the same thing. They kind of needed a score, the touchdown and regulation. It couldn't go to OT. It wasn't even just about giving yourself a better chance to win in regulation, all that stuff.

It was like psychologically, mentally, I felt like Lamar needed that one because he just has not been coming through in moments like that. And it was the same thing again. They couldn't get a touchdown. I felt like they should have had it and they just couldn't pull it off. Goes to OT and they lose. And something just doesn't, the sniff test is not working with them. Yeah, you got the kicker.

Oh, he's the greatest kicker. Dynamite, automatic. Like, who gives a shit? Eric Henry's one missed tackle away from ending this game. And that's what happens. He's another one who had like 35 yards rushing entering the fourth quarter, and then they're like, oh, we're still in this?

Okay, I'm going to do my thing, and that's what the Titans – the Titans have like the 27th ranked secondary in the league. Like this was the game that Lamar had to get right and not with his feet. He had to get in sync with his Brown and not A.J. Brown as the Titans did and really stepped all over him. And he couldn't do it. Now they're in a really tough spot, as you said, going to Pittsburgh. What are they, 6-4?

Yeah, 6-4, and I'm not really sure. It's a team that I watch, and I'm not sure what their identity is anymore because last year you knew what it was. They were just – it was this weird Lamar thing, this offense. We hadn't really seen anything quite like it, and they just controlled the ball nonstop. The league almost couldn't seem like it could figure it out. Now it seems like people have figured it out,

and they can't block the same way they did last year. Yeah, well, no big plays, right? Isn't that the thing? If you can score a third, they seem to hover around 30 a game every game last year, but no big plays, and they have to struggle to get to that number. Which, all right, let's say you're KC. Let's assume Pittsburgh's going to get the one seed here.

KC's the two seed. If you were them, which one of these five teams would you be most afraid of in the seven spot? Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, Baltimore, Miami. Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas. I think the answer might be Vegas. Vegas again. Sure. Yeah. Why not? Cleveland Vegas Baltimore Miami Tennessee Cleveland Vegas I think the answer might be Vegas Vegas again sure yeah why not you know one thing Collinsworth did say

is like yeah do these teams know each other look they know each other there is something to that there's something to having a partner on the wrestling team and like knowing each other's every move it's like alright we can't get any we got to switch things up like that's kind of what it is. Like they'll, they're going to, like we said,

make you work for every single first down like they did with Tim Mahomes. But that was kind of like when we shared an office for a year and I gradually learned all your moves. We knew everyone's part, each other's parlay before we even turned it in. Parlay's in the quickest way to agitate whoever was within five feet of us. Right.

We do that. Yeah. I think Tennessee, you know, depending on what quarter you catch them, you're like, ah, man,

they don't have it this year. And then all of a sudden they look like the Tennessee from last year. Right. They, the playmakers they have, that team would scare me too in a playoff game, you know, especially as,

as it drags on in the fourth quarter and Tennessee's close and Henry just seems like he gains steam as these games go along. It definitely happened today. Even before the OT run, it did feel like he was taking over that game a little bit. And A.J. Brown, I don't think his numbers were

spectacular today. What were they? I think I wrote them down. I don't know. He was present in that game. four for 62 with a touchdown, but he's also another guy you can't tackle there. They have two guys who you can't basically can't tackle. It's, um, it's very strange.

Yeah. You don't want to play them. They get better as the, as the weather gets worse. And the, the one who that really shit the bed today was Miami because yeah, they have the jetsets next week, Cincy without Joe Burrow,

Chiefs-Pats at Vegas, at Buffalo, but they could have been 7-3 going into all that and just needed to go 3-3, 4-2. So they should definitely beat the Jets and beat Cincinnati without Burrow, but what you said was, do we worry about that?

I'm like, yeah, their coach is worried about their starting quarterback. Like Flores benched. Didn't you think he was hurt, Tua? I was like, oh, he must be hurt. I actually, he was banged up going into the game, but I actually thought they were going to bench him at halftime. I was freaking out. I had Miami was my anchor team today.

I had them tied with a bunch of bets. But why do you bench him? Are you benching him because of Denver's defense? Like, I just don't like this look? Or are you benching him because if that's the case, then is Fitzpatrick starting the next game? Or is it just Denver's defense specifically that is not

conducive to Tua's style? Which he did not look comfortable at all. Whatever was happening, they had a great first drive. And then from the next drive on, whatever was going on, it looked like he just couldn't solve it. And they couldn't block for him either. And it didn't seem

like they respected his long game. And they were just kind of... They were rushing four or five and then sending these weird blitzes from different angles. And they were stacking the front. So he couldn't do that short pass stuff at all. Yeah. And I think when Fitz came in, then all of a sudden he was like putting the ball like,

you know, a little bit further downfield in space and it opened it up. But you knew how it was going to end. You knew he was going to throw the peck to end it. Well, what sucks is you make fun of me because I latch onto Denver before the season season every year. And then like, all right, I'll leave them. And it's like, yes, it's games like this, which is why they're the best team in the AFC. No, I don't know if they're that, but they always have one or two games like this in them. But you just don't feel like a home game matters anymore, right? Well, let's take a break because I want to do the too easy game, which was Miami this week. This episode is brought to you by Movember. The mustache is back with a vengeance. Look at Travis

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talking about Miami. So you flagged this when we were doing Guess the Lines a week ago. Yeah. The Miami line was Miami three and a half at Denver. Well, that's weird. I do my research for million dollar picks. Denver, the last four weeks before this game had fallen behind by at least 20 points in each of the last four games, which is the all-time red flag for we suck.

We are not good at football. When you're just way, way behind every game, that's it. And yet, and we saw each other on Thursday and Friday, and at some point that Miami game came up, both games, and I was like, oh, man, something about it. It just seems too easy. Stay away. It's like the haunted movie house in the video on demand

where it's like Ethan Hawke's buying a new mansion. It's like, why is this thing so cheap? And the realtor's like, I don't know. This is so weird. And we're all staring at it. And then by Sunday, everyone I know is in Miami and everyone you know is in Miami. The line never budged. And it became the too easy

game. Now, I didn't bet the minus three and a half for that reason. I was like, this is too fishy. I'm doing money line. I'm putting them with like Pittsburgh. I'm going to put them in a couple of parlays. I teased them to plus six and a half, which by the way, also lost. Um, but, but when we see these games and we know all the money is on one side, this is a stay away. Don't do it. Why do we do it? I don't, I have no idea why we do it. And this was extra special because last week they were a point and a half favored over the Chargers. A point and a half at home.

So how many times do the gambling gods or does Vegas or Fandle give you the opportunity to benefit off a team who everyone's betting two weeks in a row? You can win money if they win by a field goal or four points against Denver, who, like you said, is putrid and locked through four picks last week and started off with a pick this week. Yeah, there's a bunch of those. And luckily, there's only like one or two of those a week. I feel like when we were growing up, there were more than one or two of those a week. But we made a list, right, of the last few weeks? Yeah, it went backwards. So this was the week 11 game.

Week 10 was pretty much everyone had the Ravens and a parlayer tease against the Pats on Sunday night. That was across the board. Ravens tease down to a pick'em or money line, whatever you did. And I thought they were going to kill us two Sunday nights in a row because that's a double-up game for everyone. I'm like, oh no, the Chiefs are going to lose too.

They're going to do this twice. Oh yeah. Everyone's got to get creamed. But anyway, go ahead. Well, by the way, that also happened in week nine was the double up game. Tampa. Oh, right. Like minus three, minus three and a half range against the Saints.

Yeah. It's like revenge game. Mm hmm. Here come the Bucs. Saints. The game's over in a minute. Never. But then the other game that day was Seahawks plus two at Buffalo, which everyone had Seattle.

Everyone written off Buffalo. Buffalo puts up 44 points. The week before, now I actually was on the other side. I had the Dolphins in this game, but Rams minus three against Miami. And the Rams, that was one of those. All the money was tilted on the Rams. Well, was that his first game? Was that to his first start?

Yeah, his first start. That was it. Aaron Donald's going to be in his face the whole time. The Rams are good. Yeah, all that. And then week seven was Seattle against the Cardinals. Seattle was minus three and a half point favorites and the Cardinals, that was kind of their

coming out party as, oh wait, the Cardinals might be a playoff team. So we've had one of these every week. And if you bet on the wrong side on those six games, it might be time to take a break. Take a week off. Or stay away. But like, you know, and we know this,

it's always better to just take that, like, I really like the Browns today. There's no reason for it. It was one of my favorite picks. There's, I can't really defend it. I just like it. But that's kind of how you win in gambling is centering on like the weird picks, not the one where basically 80% of the people in your life are telling you they have the same game you have. That's a red deck.

And it sucks because on Monday or Tuesday, you might've loved it, but you kind of do have to go, you know, according to your surroundings, like, all right, I just have to walk away from it. I love you. That's why we can't be together dolphins today. That's kind of how it is. And it's funny. You asked me before the podcast, like, which one am I missing in the two easy games? I'm like, easy. I'll just go to my ledger and see what the biggest, um, five digit losses. And that's it. That's, uh, those are four to last six weeks. Well, another terrible thing that happened today was the vaunted 2020 QB class took a big hit. Tua gets benched,

although it seems like he's coming back next week, hopefully. And then the Burrow thing, which was the most inevitable but yet tragic injury of the season. Anyone who watched the Bengals, we've joked about it in this podcast, like he's just getting killed. I'm worried about him. He takes too many hits.

They can't block for him. And then it finally happened. The guy's going after him, gets shoved from behind, goes right into his leg. And now Burrow's done. He's done for a year. And I would guess doesn't even come back next season, right?

Yeah. Can he come back in 10 months? He's being optimistic on Twitter or whatever, but yeah, that's a, that's a tough, tough injury to come back from. And it's funny. You said Mahomes won the MVP. I think Herbert won the offensive rookie of the year award tonight. Like I think he can miss the next five games and still get it.

I don't want to get away from the borough thing too much, but he's maybe the most complete rookie quarterback i was talking about it with the degenerate trifecta like when have you seen a more complete rookie quarterback than this than herbert he can he moves the chains with his legs he's so poised in the pocket he found the receiver it's insane what he did with keenan allen and 18 targets and 16 receptions i've never seen anybody lock into anyone like that, but it does suck for Burrow. I don't know what would have to happen for Herbert not to win that award now.

And they were about even going in. I would say out of like the 10 best throws of the year, Herbert's had at least five of them. Yeah. Right? The one he had today, he just chucked it 60 yards. He's hitting these guys in stride every single time. How many completions did he have in that game?

I'm looking this up. 37 completions. 47 for 49. Yeah. So they finally figured out what their pass-run balance should be. They only ran it 26 times. They threw 47 times, which I think a lot of people, including Warren Sharp, had been pretty passionate about.

Basically, let the dude cook. Yeah, well, and Ballage is your go-to guy on the ground. I mean, he's fine, but I don't know what sharp had been pretty passionate about like basically let the dude cook yeah when ballage is your go-to guy on the ground i mean he's fine but um i don't know what what they're supposed to do there that i mean that would have been the chargers most spectacular loss right joe flacco just leaning back there and throwing it like i wonder if you should press the announcers like should they pressure i mean i'm like yeah of course you should pressure joe flacco why why do anything else? He's going to crumble.

And they did in the last round. There's been this big sports card resurgence basically the last two years. I think the pandemic's fueled some of it. And the Panini prison boxes with these rookies, like the borough, it just goes to show you, like with football cards, maybe get rid of those when they're smoking hot.

It's not like basketball. If you haverow or two or Herbert, like once those things are as high as possible, sell, get rid of that thing. Cause, um, you just never know in basketball. I think it's a lot harder to have a career threatening injury, but the Yankee, I didn't, I don't even know if you ever played for the Yankees. Was it Taylor? The pitch? Oh, Brian Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know if you're Brian Taylor cards.kees. Was it Taylor, the pitcher? Oh, Brian Taylor, yeah. Brian Taylor, yeah, yeah. I don't even know. You had a few Brian Taylor cards? I had a couple, yeah. I was like, all right, this will get me interested

in the dreaded Yankees. But yeah, he fell apart. Yeah, it didn't really work. Well, that was a bummer. Speaking of bummers, the NFC East. So we are now at the point where Philly is leading the division at 3-6-1.

This was funny for a while, but now it's like we're getting close to the end of the season. Like we're really looking at a potential 5-10-1, 6-10, 5-11. I don't know what the winner is going to be. The division as a whole, they are minus 185 point differential. Oh, you can't go by that. Crazy because they're playing each other. They're outside their division. They're 4-19-1.

If you put a gun to my head and said, pick the winner of this division, I wouldn't know what to do. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I would pick the Giants as the safest pick. At least they're kind of

showing signs of progress and kind of hanging with teams and stuff. You're a crummy team. I can't take them. The Washington guy, I mean, kick on near them. And then Philly, I can't even imagine.

What would you do if you're a Philly fan with Wentz? I don't know what you'd do. How do you believe that he'll ever be good from what we've seen this year? He is honestly one of the three worst quarterbacks every single week. He's terrible every week. Well, here's what's funny about that. So we did this podcast Sunday night. We hadn't seen the Bears-Vikings.

And I think I was all in on the bears they trapped me every single week every especially when they're getting points and getting points at home like three and a half great i'll take it foals is one of the three worst in the league like i felt bad i felt bad that i didn't feel bad that he was hurt yes so foals and peterson this guy i don't know how he won a Super Bowl. Like you look at the Eagle schedule. He's like, we have to beat the Browns. We have to beat the Browns without Miles Garrett in there. We have, there's no question about it. I don't care if it's raining. I don't care if Nick Chubb runs for a long one at the end. There's no, you got to go in there and win that game. And they weren't really even close. Like, I guess that the, they made a run

at the end, but that game was over. He got a cheap touchdown. That's miserable. And I hate it. I think I hate that team more because they're reeling me in in terms of what the Cowboys can maybe do and maybe win this division. I don't even want to look at the remaining schedules. I know the Eagles have the toughest.

I know you're going to make us look at a schedule here. No, I'm actually not. Good. I wrote down all for the 15 playoff teams, and I didn't bother to do it for the NFCs because, A, who cares who wins? Ultimately, all of these teams are awful. And, B, you can tell me who the six teams, does it matter? It's like, oh, that's an easy game.

These might be the four worst teams in the league other than Jacksonville and the Jets. Sure. It's probably Jacksonville, Jets, and then these four in some order. I'm not going to argue with you. In fact, I would love to figure out a way. I know it's the middle game,

but I want to sleep through that Washington-Dallas game because I've seen it a million times. I know they're going to lose that game. Because if they win, they're a half game up in first place, Dallas. I don't even want to deal with it. Well, you were trying to cross them off three, four weeks ago and two weeks ago and I would never let you do it, making the

point like this 5-11 might win the division and now we're here. Let's do it now. Cross them off. The Philly thing, the fact that they had that terrible tie when they actually took the tie and now that that could actually decide the division if that tie could have been

the key coaching moment of the season. I'm with you on Peterson. And everyone always said how important Frank Reich was. Then we saw Frank Reich in Indianapolis. And you go, wow, that guy's a really good coach. Even what he's been able to do, making them competitive with Brissette. And then Phil Rivers this year,

who's all over the map, depending on the quarter. And ever since he's been able to do, making them competitive with Brissette. And then Phil Rivers this year, who's all over the map, depending on the quarter. And ever since he's left there, Philly has looked like the most discombobulated, disheveled, weirdest team you watch week to week other than the usual suspects. Sure. So the fact that Peterson won a Super Bowl, it's starting to rise up the ranks of,

I can't fucking believe that happened. Take my team out of it. But the combo of Nick Foles and Doug Peterson, like imagine, I don't know, like you were Matt Damon in The Martian and you're just gone for four years or Tom Hanks in Castaway. You know, you come back like,

hey, what happened? What did I miss? You're like, yeah. So Nick Foles and Doug Peterson beat Belichick and Brady in a Super Bowl. So that happened two years. You're like, hey, what happened? What did I miss? Yeah. You're like, yeah, so Nick Foles and Doug Peterson beat Belichick and Brady in the Super Bowl, so that happened two years. You're like, what? And then you're watching the games on Sunday. You're like, are you fucking with me?

Did that really happen? Those two won the Super Bowl. It's improbable. I don't even know who you would blame more for this. Or not blame more, but be like, what the hell is going on? I see Foles play on Monday. I'm like, that is not a top 40 quarterback in the league and i see peterson and it's not even like bad decisions or timeouts or stuff but i feel like these guys and i know that you have to do it on the field but

he's not motivating these guys at all they're as talented as anyone in this division probably seems like it more at the quarterback position for god's sakes and wentz is two games under 500 since the Super Bowl that he didn't even win. I don't even know what I'm watching anymore with this team. Yeah, it's funny. Peterson and Patricia are probably the two coaches that could get fired tomorrow.

And I think people would be like, eh. Yeah. You know, Patricia, I don't know what you do with that because they're playing at 9.30 Pacific time on Thursday. Yeah. So you're firing a coach who would then have 72 hours to get the team ready.

You almost can't fire them, but then their worst case scenario, they're playing, we're going to do you guys the Lions later, but they're playing the Texans. The worst case scenario is they somehow win that game. And then you're like, ah, shit, we're going to fire them right after the game or fire them on Black Friday, whatever.

But now we just won. Now we can't. ah, shit, we're going to fire him right after the game or fire him on Black Friday, whatever. But now we just won. Now we can't. But he should go. If they win, they're five and six. Yeah, you mentioned Patricia. You mentioned the Eagles. There were five teams early that had zero offense. I mean, Cincinnati had an excuse.

Jacksonville was just god-awful. Vladimir Luton had a tough game. He really did. That was not a good matchup for him. You know, and they had the four box on DirecTV, which I've really enjoyed this year, Channel 701. And they should have fans. There's got to be maybe a selection committee.

Can we be on the selection committee for that? They let us do it one year, remember? They let us do it not for a whole year, but they let us do it back-to-back weeks. They should let us take over, because one of the four games was Pittsburgh-Jacksonville. Yeah. And it's like, what are you guys doing? That's a waste of a screen.

Why is that game on? That game's going to be a blowout. I think people get caught up in the fact like, no, the storyline here is the undefeated Steelers could remain undefeated. People want to see that. Like, no, we'll get the point after 10 minutes of play when it's 14-3. Why not move around? Why can't they switch the games? Like Red Zone style. It's like, wow, this game sucks. We'll move this

game in here. I get crazy. Because Pat's Texans was good. Yeah. I do the seven box and I put it on the large screen. But even in the seven box, they have the one game. They're like, hey, coming up at 425 Eastern, Miami, Denver. I'm like, yeah, I get it.

There's another game. There's four other games later. Just make the boxes bigger from what we're watching now. I'm a big baby with that. So do you think we could see tanking with teams trying to play the NFC East team? Oh, interesting. You wouldn't tank. You would, well, you're talking about like you try to

tampa right you could try to tank to be the five seed yeah or like you might even be better off losing your division and being that i don't all these teams are too close together but there is a scenario shape because they're behind the saints they lost twice twice to them right so they're a game and a half back so they they just need to keep winning and assure themselves of that five seed and then go to Philly or Dallas. So it's like reverse tanking. You're actually playing as hard as you possibly can to be the five seed. Because then you get to be 11-point favorites against the Giants.

Now, the only problem is I don't remember that Seattle team being so bad, but that was the beast mode game. Wasn't that kind of the whole thing? The Saints were about a 9-point favorite or an 8-point favorite at Seattle. I think it was higher than that. Was it more than that? Yeah. But not likely against one of these crap bag teams. Yeah, you

look at the NFC, those matchups, two of them are going to be bad because look at the NFC, those matchups, two of them are going to be bad because Tampa, that NFC's team will be awful. Right.

And then I think Green Bay is a really soft three seed. Yeah. I really do. I was so unimpressed by them today. And we were talking earlier about how Mahomes

has the championship belt right now for if you're down three with a minute 30 left, that's the guy you'd want to have money on. Rodgers used to be that guy. He had it in this game. He had the legendary 50-yard

throw when it just seemed like they were going to turn the ball over on downs. And then really weird shit like spiking the ball when he needed to spike the ball. And it was almost like he had never been in the situation before and they have to settle for a field goal. I don't know.

They spiked it twice. He was furious. I was like, calm down. You got him right where you want him. A minute 20. Why are you spiking? Why are you losing it down? And again, why do you want to go to overtime against this team, right?

So you do it to win. You got Devontae Adams. He can get open at any time on one of these slant routes and run the last 15 yards for score. And then they spiked it with 28 seconds. What was it? They spiked it twice. First of all, the way the Colts blew that,

they had like four holding calls, right, in the previous drive, which led Rivers to pass, which gave the Packers some clock there. And then they spiked the ball with 48 seconds at the 25 yard line. Like, what are you doing? This is a, this is not Packers football. He carries himself with the confidence of a Mahomes, but he's just not getting it done like he used to be. It's really strange.

It was weirdly a bad game for how dramatic it was. Yeah. The Colts had 130 penalties. I think their offensive line had nine penalties alone. But just in general, it was really disjointed. The Packers kept turning it over. It didn't seem like anybody was happy with how they were playing. Yeah, really dumb shit.

Rivers was hurt. Then he wasn't hurt. Then he's fine. Then he's jogging in the tunnel. I don't know what was going on. And they didn't show up at all for the second half, like the Packers, until that last drive, basically. It was 28-14, Packers.

I'm like, all right, NFC, maybe here. Nope. Colts won it. I'll say one thing about the Colts. Pittman, you know, this receiver class, which they said last year, it's not a surprise that these guys are all fucking awesome. But Pittman, first, I don't know, five,

six weeks, he got hurt, whatever, he reverses his quarterback, but he's starting to look like a badass now. If they can get Hilton 100%, and they get Pittman going with the tight ends they have, and then if Taylor gets going... Well, I'm with you.

If all these guys get going, I really want to latch onto this team. I'm like, oh, they have Taylor and they have oh Hines right against yeah against the uh Titans he was great um these guys did shit today they really didn't do anything the running backs but um in a way Rivers Taylor's kept him in the last two games yeah he really is yeah the I I would say the Colts are so they would be the four seed now. They do seem like they have a little upside. The rest of the way they're going Tennessee at Houston

at Vegas, Houston at Pittsburgh, home Jacksonville. That's Indy's schedule? Those are tough games. That's Indy's schedule, yeah. Then Tennessee goes at Indy, Cleveland at Jacksonville, Seattle at Green Bay at Houston so much easier schedule

yeah they have it easier if they could win they play each other this week so Indianapolis I have a feeling both of those teams are going to be playoff teams though yeah I do too

so that would leave us with Cleveland Vegas Baltimore and Miami for two spots alright couple more

pieces of business let's take a quick break alright I'm just going to ask you this Two spots. All right, a couple more pieces of business. Let's take a quick break. All right, I'm just going to ask you this every week from now on because they're going to be a one seed. Scale of one to ten, do you believe in the Saints? No. What is it about them? What is it?

I don't know what it is, and I'm mad because I had Atlanta on a teaser, so they did a bad job by me, even though it looked like a good game, right? I saw the stats. Oh, when Ridley and Julio Jones play together, it's a different story. Matt Ryan, do you know? Julio lasted a week, or he lasted an hour, right? That was it. Yeah, he's done.

He's done for the third quarter. But then it's like Matt Ryan, like, hey, do you know he's like the third best fantasy quarterback? Really? Oh, I had no idea. So you put money on him. And then and it's looking like they're, you know, Sean Payton made the wrong decision with Taysom Hill.

And then they get exactly what they wanted out of him, right? A pedestrian kind of line, much like Breeze would have. What did he have? 18 for 23, 233, no touchdowns, but two touchdowns rushing. And it's like, yeah, they made the right move here. Like, I don't believe in them at all. They're eight and two. Ryan's just classic.

Yeah, I know. Has anyone ever taken a sack on third down in that 28 to 32 yard range where to knock his own team out of field goal range more than Matt Ryan? Oh, I'd love to see a stat on that. I don't know if they keep that stat, but it's like he's got to be the career leader. I've never seen he did it. That's why we won the Super Bowl against him that year

because he can't fucking help himself. Right. Right. So frustrating. Yeah. They should start that stat. They should start keeping that stat. Yeah. They should call it. They should name it after him. It should be named the Matt Ryan. It's like, oh, he's got 37 Ryans over the course of his career. Matty Ice. Yeah. Well, he was... They should call it... They should name it after him. It should be named the Matt Ryan. It's like, oh, he's got 37 Ryans over the course of his career. Matty Ice.

Yeah, well, he was sacked eight times. But yeah, he doesn't help himself out. It was definitely a winnable game. Like Kamara, all we talk about is Kamara, how he leads his team. He had 45 yards. Like, they should have stolen that game. And they ended up losing by

more than two touchdowns. Yeah, he lost some MVP moments as well. New Orleans the rest of the way. At Denver next week. At Atlanta. At Philly. So they got three straight road games for some reason. Home KC. Home Minnesota.

At Carolina. And that's it. That sounds reasonable. So, it seems like we're going to have the seven playoff seats. Everybody was like, oh, they'll move it to eight. But I don't know. I just see this train going, and I see them doing the seven

with the one seeds getting a bye. I can't believe it. I absolutely cannot believe that they've gone 11 weeks without having to even add a week. Forget about forfeits or anything else. I don't know. I mean, good, good job by you or that's,

or, or, or just like, uh, they're, you know, they're doing something, uh,

a little, uh, not on the level, but it's crazy. That's gone through this way. Well, it's funny. We're like,

I don't know, 40, 40 minutes into, since you came on the podcast, we haven't talked about like the fucking pandemic and the fact that everything is shutting down. LA just shut down restaurants today. We're going to have these Thanksgivings where people are terrified to go to family's houses.

We have a president who won't accept the election results and is contesting Georgia for the third time. And seems pretty, pretty, uh, pretty interested in like starting a coup against this government that existed since 1776. It's weird to be just talking about, hey, can the Saints be the one seed? I don't know what's going to happen with this season the rest of the way.

I don't even know if we're going to be able to leave our house in three weeks. Who the fuck knows? Is it that? Do we trust in the NFL more than we trust in anything else? They're just plowing ahead. Yeah, they're plowing ahead. How about the Chiefs Raiders? The Raiders' entire defense is not going to practice

all week. All right, you want to maybe move that game off of prime time? No, no, we got it. It's fine. And it ended up being one of the best games of the week. I don't know. I don't know if they're getting lucky or they're just better at this

than anybody else I think their attitude is unwavering which in weirdly is an asset they don't overthink it they're like look man

the game is at 820 on Sunday night I'm sorry your entire defense is in COVID protocol but we'll be playing that game at 820.

Yeah, just show up. The lights will be on. Yeah, just make sure you have 22 guys, 11 on each side, and we're good to go. All right, cross-off time. So far, we've crossed off Giants, Jets, Jags, Bengals, Texans,

Chargers, Panthers. Can we cross off Trump yet? Is it time? No way. Can't cross him off? Okay, so we're not crossing off Trump yet? Is it time? No way Can't cross him off? No So we're not crossing off Trump yet Even though he lost the election

By 6 million votes And 80 electoral votes I think we have to cross off the Patriots Ooh Yeah Really? Yeah I don't see a path

You could get it through Thanksgiving But you don't think so, huh? No If you beat Arizona think so, huh? No. If you beat Arizona in our five and six? No. I don't see it. Wow. There's, just for the seventh seed, there's three, six, and four teams ahead of them.

Right. There's no path. It's not happening. And by the way, they stink. Right. And I can't believe they beat the ravens last week i they they should do 30 for 30 about that game the patriots are terrible i knew they were terrible last week and they somehow beat the ravens well i was thinking that game today i was like what where do they have to go what what yard line did i have to get to for cam to be able to reach on a hell m. Is it the 28? Is it the 32?

It's not like if he gets to midfield, he's got a shot. Oh, boy, Bill, this is something. Because you've never, I was going to say, you've never crossed them off before Thanksgiving. You haven't crossed them off. They have never been a cross off. No, they've been the best football team of all time for 20 years. Wow.

Are you all right? It's over. They're four and six. It's done. I know, but are you okay? I wish they had one last week. I wish we were headed for a top five pick. Yeah, well, this is what I'm going to say with the Cowboys. I don't want them to come in first, play

a first place schedule next year and get a 13th pick overall or whatever. It's just stupid. Wow. It is incredible. I repeat, incredible that we can't cross off any of the terrible NFC East teams. That's going to make this game much, much harder.

Is it a game? I don't know. It's just torture for me because I said cross the Cowboys off in late September, but I get it. Well, Sal, I know you've heard of FanDuel. What's watching football like for you on Thanksgiving?

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All right. It is time for the special. We always enjoy these. The week 12 lines. We get to do Thanksgiving. We have three Thanksgiving games. Yeah. The first one is truly, truly, truly terrible.

We've had a lot of depressing Detroit games on Thanksgiving. This might take the case when you throw in, I don't know if it's 1A or 1B, Matt Patricia and the pandemic. Would you put Matt Patricia ahead of the pandemic or behind? For what would make this game depressing? I would put it, well, Matt Patricia against Romeo Cornell is a nice little bet boost. Nice little 25 to 1 bet boost right there.

And it's in Detroit. Just constant boos. On top of this, the Pistons had one of the craziest free agent splurges of all time. I think they had the three worst contracts anyone signed. Somehow they had all three. They're so bad, they had to actually stretch somebody's contract and then carry that over the next three years just to make sure they

made all of these mistakes. I've never seen anything like it. I have the Texans favored by two in Detroit. I had, oh, you got it exact. Okay. So good. There's cheating going on already. I had the Lions minus two, but it is exactly the Texans minus two. You got that. So what are the Texans three Three and seven, two and eight. They're three and seven. And the lions are four and six. I get it all. But, um, why can't the lions be favored at home?

You know, I was thinking today, I was like, here's what I want going into Thanksgiving. I don't even care about the Cowboys. Cause I know they're going to rip my heart out, but I want the Steelers to be undefeated. That'll be fun. Right. For the night game. And I want Staff Steelers to be undefeated. That'll be fun, right? For the night game. And I want Stafford to start. I'm sick of the David

Blows and Chase Daniel. Who have we seen for the Lions and their quarterbacks? You know, right? Drew Stanton, right? Jeff Driscoll. Let Stafford get in and then Stafford gets in there and gets shut out today. I don't

even know what I want to root for anymore. Well, they didn't have Galladay. They didn't have Swift. And they were missing their head coach. Yeah. Next game, Cowboys home for the Washington professional football team coming off a decisive, the biggest win any NFC East team has had against a non-division team today.

That's true. 20-9 against the Bengals. I have the Cowboys favored by four. I said four also. I thought Vandal and Vegas would go a little crazy with the Dallas love, but it's only two and a half right now. Who's going to be our quarterback

for the Washington team? It's going to be Alex Smith, right? I mean, I'm going to have to hate Alex Smith. I feel bad. They've lost this game before. Who's the Texas quarterback that beat them for Washington? These are some bad games. Colt McCoy has beat them on Thanksgiving.

I hate it all. Listen, I know gambling gets a bad rap sometimes. But here's a good reason that gambling's a good thing are those first two games of Thanksgiving. Because I don't know why you would care otherwise about anything going on. If you get 25-1 on any of these teams, why not? Steelers-Ravens in Pittsburgh.

A game that looks so much better about six weeks ago than it does now. I have the Steelers favored by five. I put this right in the Vegas zone. All right. I went even higher because I thought I had seen enough of the Ravens. I said six. You're going to win this one. Steelers minus three.

Jeez. And because of that, I'm telling you right now, the Ravens are winning this game. Is that this week's looks too easy game? Absolutely. Are we locking it down? For sure. Oh my God. 100% for sure. Minus God. A hundred percent for sure. Minus three.

Are you kidding me? The Steelers kicked the crap out of everyone, including Baltimore in Baltimore. Maybe it's 2120 or something, right? Maybe that's how they get you. But minus three is way too low. We need to name the looks too easy game after somebody. Yeah. I'll think about that. If anyone has any suggestions,

put it in Sal's Twitter replies. Right, right. I don't go to Twitter, so don't put it in mine. Okay. Sunday marquee game. This is a rare, great Sunday marquee game.

What are you going to say? Chiefs-Bucks in Tampa. Mahomes-Brady. Andy Reid-B Bruce Arians, for who can look sloppier on the sidelines. A lot of good subplots here. God only knows if the Bucs receivers,

if we're ever going to figure out who to start, who to trust. I have one of my leagues. I have Godwin and Evans. I have to sweat that out. I have the Chiefs by three in Tampa. Yeah, you nailed it. I said two. It's exactly three.

It's a good line. It's a good line. It's a solid line, Bill. It's a good line. I don't know what else to say about it. I mean, but because you can't, people aren't going to bet against the Chiefs, right? They're given a field goal.

Either way, wherever they are. I think if the Bucs lose this game, it's hard to take them seriously. So this means more to the Bucs. I mean, kind of every game needs more now to the Bucs. They don't have a great win yet, in my opinion. Do they have a great win for you? I haven't looked, but so they beat the Panthers. They beat the Giants.

They did not beat the Saints. No, they've lost to the Saints twice. Right. They had I guess beaten the Raiders, but that was weird, right? The Raiders had a whole bunch of COVID shit going on. Right. Yeah,

they have no good wins. Raiders is their best win. Yeah. Carolina, Denver, Chargers come back. They lost to Nick Foles. I guess the Packers is a good win, but we don't even think the Packers are very good. Well, they did kill them, though. That's the one thing.

Maybe that's their good win. Fine. Yeah. Whatever. My son, my 12-year-old son, Andy Reid's been compared to a lot oh he looks like a walrus he looks like that and he's like my 12 year old son's a little quirky you know says it is uh you know like just monotone he's like no he looks like teddy roosevelt i was

like oh shit he does andy rude looks like teddy roosevelt wow i hadn't heard that before so nailing that i think he would take that. The watchables, only two. Sunday's going to be rough. I'm just telling the people out there. We got Chiefs-Bucks. We have two mildly fun games here, and then it gets pretty grim. Bills-Chargers. That's it. I think Herbert's in the watchables as long

as he's playing a decent team. I agree. It's very similar to... Mahomes wasn't a rookie I guess would be the difference but when the Mahomes thing got really fun the first full year when he was a starter same kind of thing where it's just like man I'm just

really enjoying watching this guy watching him fling the football I did dig up a stat a couple weeks ago that California rookie quarterbacks go into the east coast or like 1-13-1 and that's before Herbert went and lost in Miami weeks ago that California rookie quarterbacks go into the East coast or like one 13 and one. And that's before Herbert went and lost in Miami. And I guess this is the same thing. Is Buffalo a coast? Is it, it's a co it's up there. It's like upstate New York. All right.

Okay. I don't know how seriously they take the coast thing, but what'd you think for the life? I have bills by five. All right. You're going to win this week. I said four. It's five and a half. You know, I've been thinking about this Herbert thing a lot and how stupid it is that he's on this black sheep LA football team

that has no fans. Nobody cares. And like, the biggest losers are the San Diego fans, obviously, because there's this alternate universe

where they have a football stadium and then they would get through for this guy. But if he can't become popular here, they have to leave. If you have Justin Herbert, who's like 21, who if you're doing a fantasy draft of who would you want to start your team with and have for the next 12 years, Mahomes would be first. And I think Justin Herbert would be second. Right now, if we're doing that draft and nobody gives a shit here and nobody cares about the Chargers or him, plus it's a pandemic, nobody can go outside anyway. But can you imagine if he was on a team that had generations of fans, like if he was like a Minnesota Viking? Yeah, right. Or if he was a Chicago Bear.

Can you imagine the Chicago fans, if they had Justin Herbert right now, how fucking insufferable they would be, losing their minds that they finally had a QB? Or Mahomes. Instead he goes to a team with no fans. Like they should have. Like they should have drafted Mahomes.

Yeah, no, you're right. It's such a bummer. This is, in a weird way, he's like, his fans are the DirecTV Sunday T way. He's like his fans are the, the lead, the direct TV Sunday ticket. Yeah. That's like his fan base Sunday ticket. He's just wear Sunday ticket on his Jersey red zone.

Do you feel like the same way about Mike Trout or is baseball different? Or is that, but I, at least the Anaheim, like you go to the games and the Anaheim, definitely there's a lot of Anaheim fans in that weird cluster. But here there's no Chargers fans.

Yeah, there really isn't. If you're in Manhattan Beach, how many Herbert jerseys have you seen people walking around in? Like zero. Zero, yeah. It's a shame. Yeah, I hear you. I feel bad for him.

He should be like, that kid should be a big deal. He should be, other than Mahomes, like the biggest young star in the league. Maybe it'll be a nice surprise. It'll be a nice reveal next year when there's fans allowed in stadiums and they will see all the jerseys. Step up.

Step up, Chargers fans. Maybe I'll get one too. Goodell should just force them to trade him. Yeah. Yeah, trade him to Denver. Sorry. Three first-round picks back. The other watchables game, Colts-Titans. The rematch. Last time these two teams played,

the Titans punter decided to defecate all over himself and lose the game for his team. I had the Colts. They're at home. I had them favored by three. I had three also. It's three and a half. And we talked about this as one of those weird games, right?

The Colts ended up being favored on the road in that Thursday night game against Tennessee. And everybody's like, why not Tennessee? They're better. They're more fun. They're more electric. And then they lost like 34-17. Yeah, the punter definitely didn't help, but they got trucked that game. All right, we're taking a break.

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I kind of like the Panthers backup. If we're just talking about like random backups that get thrown into games, PJ Walker. Yeah, yeah. He can kind of, he's a little frisky. I'm kind of into him. You think about all the shitty quarterbacks we watch every week. He's not, he's definitely not shitty.

Do you see him today? Yeah, I watched him. He's good. He's connects with Samuel. I wish he would connect with Robbie Anderson, but that guy's gone away. I have him on like three fantasy teams, but yeah, he seems to do his thing. McCaffrey's out. They had injuries. They had really bad injuries.

Detroit, like you pointed out, had bad injuries, but they won that. That game was over in the third quarter. Yeah. 24 for 34 to 58 touchdown. I don't mind. That's fine. Yeah. I have the Vikings at home favored by three and a half over the Panthers.

I went too high there. I said six. You're right. It's four. Okay. I went too high there. I said six. You're right. It's four. Okay. Well, you're righter. I'm more right. Yeah.

So they really screwed themselves, the Vikings, right? Because if they had won today, they would have been five and five. And this probably would have put them at six and five. And now I think we know the seven NFC teams. I know we've gone over it, but. Would you rather root for the Jets or Kirk Cousins? Oh, if I had...

If one of them was my team? Like a five-year stretch of you could be a Jets fan or you could be a Vikings fan that has to root for Kirk Cousins knowing your team has a short ceiling. Right now to 2025, from now to 2025? I think the Jets.

I like more of a challenge. Well, I don't think Cousins will be the QB in five years. No, I guess not. No. Yeah. That's a bad question. Dalvin Cook's fun, though. That's the whole thing.

That's what you're rooting for with that thing. Yeah. Cousins seems like a nice guy, but man. Cards are at the pats. This is watchable. Did you kick this out of the watchables? I put it barely watchables because I can barely watch my own team, so I can't imagine

how America feels. This is a watchable. You think so? Oh, yeah. Why not? Well, anytime Kyle O'Murray, if you're going to say that about Herbert, anytime Kyle O'Murray's in there, Patriots will play good defense. Yeah, you're probably right. I was just lashing out. I have the cards favored by one and a half over the Pats.

Oh, well, then it's definitely watchable. I have three, and you're... Oh, I'm right, I guess. Two and a half is the number. I'm closer. Trust me, my team's not very watchable. Maybe the skies will open, the heavens will open up. Belichick and his dog will make it rain

and it'll be watchable for bad reasons. Yeah, we needed a monsoon today. You know what really sucked about today? Not just that the kind of pathetic Pat season was ending anyway, but J.J. Watt, who's pretty good today, like he batted down a couple of balls. Newton had this last drive and he batted down a Newton pass.

Yep. And he kind of did the, he kind of walked away and did the Mutombo, I'm a badass, finger shake thing. And it's like, fuck you, dude.

You play like 22 downs a game. Like, you're barely, definitely not an all pro anymore. Like, get the fuck out of here. Wow. The Mutombo finger wag. I'm so mad. Like, get the fuck out of here. Wow.

The tumble finger wag. I'm so mad. I love this. Your team's two and seven. Shut the fuck up. Fuck you. I got to cross my team off now. Asshole.

I was so mad. That game just made me mad. I FaceTimed Kyle after. We were just like, God damn it. Anyway, screw you, JJ. Falcons Raiders? This is in Atlanta. The Falcons are just the Jekyll and Hyde team this year. I don't know what to make of them.

Yep. You know, I had, I guess I'm going to change my guess. Cause I had Falcons by two before that Raiders game. But after what we just saw, I'm going to go with the rarely seen pick them. I'm going to say a pick-em for Falcons-Raiders. That's a good guess. I like the Raiders by three, and it is Raiders only by one.

The Raiders are so much better than the Falcons. So much better, but they could easily go there and lose that game. This is a borderline looks too easy game. Yeah. This has got to be a John Gruden game though. He's got to pull this out of his ass.

If, if, if things are falling apart for some reason, the Raiders, I can't believe John Gruden's a good coach. Yeah, he is. This makes me wonder if Mark Jackson could be a good NBA coach.

Cause we just listened to Gruden for 10 years. Like, wow, that guy's never going to be a good coach. Right. And now John Gruden seems like he's a pretty good coach. guy's never going to be a good coach. Right. And now John Gruden seems like he's a pretty good coach. So maybe somebody

should hire Mark Jackson. Yeah. Saints at Denver. You think Aqib Tlaib could be a good coach? They didn't give us Aqib today. We listened to him and it doesn't, yeah.

No, no, we didn't get Aqib. I thought we might get him with that Detroit-Carolina game, but no. There was classic. What happened at Fox? They had to bring in this backup studio team. I can't believe they Carolina game, but no. There was classic. What happened at Fox? They had to bring in this backup studio team. I can't believe they didn't invite you.

They did. I know. I was trying to think. I wrote a list of how many people they'd have to call, wouldn't have to answer their phone before I got the ring. Before they're like, Sal, we need you? Yeah, and it was 119. 119 Fox employees?

That's good. I'll get there. I'll get there. Yeah. I think you're at least in the top 80. Listen, it's an abundance of caution. There was nothing specific. Just trust us that they're exercising caution.

Fair enough. Falcons game, that looks too easy. Saints are at Denver. This looks easy too. God only knows. I jacked this up a little bit because I assumed that they're not going to want us to be able to tease this. So I have Saints by seven and a half.

Oh, wow. I barely had you out here. I said five and it's six. You win that one. Well, is Denver going to be five and six after all that we've made fun of? This is insanity. Who's not putting the Saints in a parlayer, Atis? Everybody in the world's doing it.

I'm staying away. Last one, Rams are home playing the 49ers. I got Rams by six and a half. I said seven, and it is seven. So I'll get that one. So you are up eight, five and there's four left.

Four left plus Monday night. We got five left. Oh, I think. Oh, four plus one. Right. Yeah. Well, we have three poopfecta games,

everybody. And I don't even know what order to do them in, so let's do this. Actually, let's save the poopiest one for last. First one, Dolphins at the Jets. This is the game to get Tua going.

For the love of God. I have Dolphins by eight. Alright, you're going to steal that from me. I said five and a half, and it's seven. Do we have our teaser yet? or are we too scared of something? I think the Dolphins have to be in the teaser. The Jets are determined now to go in 16, it seems like. Okay, all right.

I think they offered Gase like a $1.5 million bonus if he goes 0-16. Gase did a great thing today. I don't know if you were paying attention. I definitely wasn't. They had three timeouts. So if the Jets don't score in that last drive, they could, um, sorry, they had two timeouts and like a minute 50 left and, uh, Flacco throws an incomplete pass and Gase calls a timeout. So now they have one timeout and turn the ball over and there's a minute 48 left and the game's

over. It's like you asshole. If you have two timeouts there and no reason to call timeout after an incomplete pass, then you get another possession. But no, they had like eight seconds or something. That was savvy then. No, it's savvy. Kind of weirdly savvy, yeah. If you're tanking, yeah. For sure. Browns-Jags is our next one. This is

in Jacksonville. Keep in mind the Browns, it's impossible for them to score 20 points with the way they play. But it might be impossible for the Jags to score 10. I assume Minshew will be back because Vlad Luton had four picks today

and looked awful. I have the Browns by six. That's what I said. And it's seven. And let's not put this on a teaser. I know where you're going with this. I know the Jags are one to nine and they look miserable,

but, um, this could be the can't trust team on the road. One thing I've been really diligent about this year is not putting quarterbacks. I don't trust in a tease or as I call the Kirk cousins rule. It's just not fun. It's not worth it. Uh,

last one, the poopiest of all, really one of the worst games of all time. Giants in Cincinnati, no Joe Burrow. There's not a single fun thing about this Bengals team now. Pound for pound, maybe the least appealing team. They can't even tank because they've already won a couple of games. And then the Giants, depending on what happens in that Washington DallasDallas game Thursday, could be playing for a share of first place.

Jesus. Especially with the Eagles playing Monday night against Seattle. I have the Giants favored by three and a half. You're going to get this one, too. I said two. I don't know why. Was it Finley for Cincinnati? Yeah.

It's four. But you're closer. Yeah. Obviously, Burrow was only going to do so much anyway. It's four, but you're closer. Yeah, it's that, you know, obviously Burrow was only going to do so much anyway, but Mixon being out like three weeks in a row is a killer. He's good. You got to handle the ball somehow other than throwing an A.J. Green five-yard route.

So, trouble. Definitely hasn't helped him. Sunday night, we have the Packers home for Nick Foles. And this is the most obvious tease of the week. Right. I jacked my guess up a little bit for that reason. I had the Packers by seven and a half. That's exactly what I said, and it's eight.

And I think you're right. So looking at it real quick, Packers-Dolphins teaser? Yeah. Makes sense. Yuck. You get to bet against the Jets, and you get to bet against Nick Foles. Right. Oh, my God. It really doesn't get better than that. That sounds great. You should be able to make money the rest of the year like that.

I was thinking, which fan base has the angriest fans right now at this point in the season? I think you can make a case it's the Bears. If you talk to a Bears fan about football right now, they react like you're talking like the craziest

woke left people were reacting like six months before the election. They've left their bodies. They're so pissed at just their quarterback situation. Nagy. Just two decades of not having a quarterback. Three decades, whatever.

They're out of control now. They're so mad. I don't blame them. If you were to pull the Bears gambler aside, like a guy who loved his team, right? Loved the Bears and loved betting. And you said, hey, I know you're getting three and a half points. I'm going to let you in on a secret.

The Vikings are going to score 19 points tonight. And your Bears team, you're going to have a kick return for a touchdown to start the second half. How much are you betting on the Bears? You basically need 10 points the rest of the way. Son of a bitch. That Nick Foles, he is unbelievable. And I get it. Trubisky

Trubisky had a fluke injury. Like he hurt his shoulder. So he's not even an option. So it's like that Tyler Bray, that Tennessee quarterback or something. Uh, I don't know what you do if you're the bears. What the hell do you do? It's yeah. Yeah. Because you get to see my homes too and say, Hey, that guy could have been ours. So there's that level of anger too. You also somehow have the worst running backs all the time too. That's the other crazy thing with them. Montgomery is the third round pick, but they never seem, every other team,

Miami is like, hey, we have this new guy. He's going to be really good. All these other teams have five running backs and the Bears can never find one of them. Montgomery gets two or three yards. That's it. Doesn't get stacked up for minus six or never gets 15. Two or three.

Last one, Monday night. Seahawks in Philly. This is another one that if the line is at a certain number, it's going to look too easy. I have the Seahawks by three and a half. Oh.

No, they didn't make it that easy. I said five and a half, and it's going to look too easy. I have the Seahawks by three and a half. Oh. No, they didn't make it that easy. I said five and a half, and it's six. Oh. See? You win the week. It seemed like the Eagles were getting too much respect over and over again. I think that finally ended this week. Yeah, enough's enough.

Well, the Gamblers are not going to respect them, right? Will you bet on them the rest of the year? Who would they have to play? If you're Foles, the Seahawks have one of the worst defenses. You could throw the ball on them. Dunlap's given them a little bit more of a pass rush.

Yeah, for sure. He ended that game. Thursday night. This is a pretty nice spot for Foles to have the don't give up on me yet game. For Foles? No, Wentz, you mean. I mean, I'm sorry, Wentz.

Foles, he's not going to be able to try that. Everyone's giving up on him. Yeah. Foles, we're just going to spend the rest of our lives wondering how the Super Bowl happened. He had that game a month ago. Yeah. Wentz, this could be his don't give up on me.

Yeah. This could be could be his don't give up on me? Yeah. This could be it. All right. Well, I won the week. I know Jacoby listening was upset. He roots for you every week. Damn it, Jacoby. I thought I was going to get it together. I went to the real law four in a row, but Simmons is up 8-2-2 or something now

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to think it over. Car buying, car selling the way it should be at CarMax. Check them out today at CarMax.com. So this is a fun parent corner because we had all of our kids together this week. We went on a double date, left them alone for three hours. Seemed like it went really well.

I thought it went really well too. And then after you guys left, I found a condom. No, no, I'm kidding. No, no no that's terrible i shouldn't i don't even want that thought that's kind of funny all right you go you go first well you know what's terrible i have a like a depressing one really because uh the next day um my son harrison my uh who i call harriso and he gets furious but anyway he's six years old and the the parents

that run the little league you know there's been no little league it's been shut down here but they were they managed to find a team to scrimmage against like 20 minutes away and i was like you know what great i haven't seen this kid play i know you get to watch zoe play soccer i haven't seen my kids do anything since March except play Roblox or whatever it's called on their iPad. And I also came from a place like, this pandemic isn't hitting them hard. They get to eat what they want. They get to see their friends a little bit virtually and they get to play video games. So we go out and we play this and the kids are all wearing masks and they're told not to get near each other. And Harrison's playing first base. And they're like, unless the

throw comes to you, don't get close to the other kids and keep your masks on. And they're playing on a field that we barely got the field, but the sprinklers went off a half hour before. So it was muddy. And I'm like, this sucks. This really sucks. It really hit me for the first time. This is really, this is sad and I need this to end soon. This is not how they should grow up. And, like, I don't even, like, he used to be ecstatic on the way home. Like, oh, Dad, remember I hit it here? Remember I did this?

And that was a nice play I made in the fields. Like, none of that. Like, even he recognized, like, this was just kind of, it was really just kind of for the parents, really. Like, the kids weren't having fun. And it just bummed me out. I don't know what the story is, but I look at all the masks and I know they're necessary, but remember there was a time you'd see like a little, like an Asian man or something with a mask in the airport and like years ago, I'm like, what is he doing? Like,

and now it's our life. This is it. And, uh, I don't know. I don't even know how I want to end this. But it was a real bummer to my first outing for like an extracurricular sports activity in eight months. But that's it. Yeah, that sucks. The parent thing has been really odd. I mean, we had dinner for Jimmy's birthday, our cousin, on Thursday night. He was saying how because he had the mask on, and he talks about just in general how much less friendly people are to him because they don't know who it's him. And he's like, oh, I never realized people are nice to me because I have a TV show. We're like, yeah,

that's kind of how it works. He just didn't realize it because it's your life. It's just so weird with everybody with masks on, not being able to see people smile to be able to read facial cues. And it's probably opposite for Ray Mysterio, who's like, oh, they're only nice to him because he's wearing a mask. I don't know. But sorry about the bummer, CarMax. But I don't know. That just really hit. No, I got one for CarMax.

This is a good one. My dad told me not to tell this story, but I'm telling it. I have another parent corner about my dad. My dad, Thanksgiving coming up, decides he wants to get a COVID test. He's living in Boston. So back East, everybody's getting COVID tests.

Everybody's worried. Plus, you can't really do anything. It's getting cold, all that stuff. It's worried. Plus, there's no, you can't really do anything. It's getting cold, all that stuff. It's really hard to get a COVID. It's much easier to get it apparently in California

than it is to get it back east. So you have to schedule it. You have to schedule an appointment to find a place. So he schedules, he finds an appointment

in Brighton around the time he wants to do it. Brighton's like 25 minute ride from Boston, 20 minutes. He takes an Uber, which I thought was funny

that he took an Uber to go get a COVID test. Maybe he wouldn't have done that. And then my step-mom was going to pick him up from work at the COVID test. Right. So the Uber drops him off and he realizes he's scheduled a drive-through COVID test. Oh, interesting.

So now he gets in the line with the cars. So it's like just all these cars and then my dad between two of the cars. He's left the Uber. He's left the Uber. He's standing. Oh. So now he's in the line for the COVID test

and the cars are moving forward and then he's walking with the cars, which I don't think technically you're supposed to do. And I'm sure the other cars thought like, who's this maniac with long hair in the line. I did this at a McDonald's once and I got screamed at. Yeah, you can't be on foot at the drive-thru. So my stepmother drove up and saw my dad in this COVID line

with all these cars and then finally did it. And they did yell at him, but he did get his COVID test. But I'm finding that now that our kids are getting older, my dad is having much more fun parent corner moments than anything my kids are doing. We almost can't talk about a lot of the stuff going on with our kids now. They're too old.

I know. You're right. There's like serious stuff. There's like relationship stuff, breakup stuff. Like we can't talk about all the fun stuff anymore. My son, remember I told you he didn't have a, get a haircut. I was like, I wasn't sure if he was getting a haircut. I gave him money for a haircut. You saw him. It didn't look like he got a haircut. Right. This is a week later. He's like, Hey, what the hell did you do? I was like, why?

He's like, Oh, I got the, the, my stylist just texted me. I'm like, why are you? I didn't even know you guys had each other. He's like, Oh, your father threw me under the bus last night. I'm like, Jesus, why do I know that your hairstylist is listening to parent corner? But yeah, you're right. We do have to be careful. Yeah. I guess we could still, we could always just make fun of Ben in any of these. Yeah. Ben's had a key. So I don't know when this happened to Archie,

but Ben's at this key point with this lip hair he has going that is like a borderline, it's time to shave kind of mustache. I'll be interested in Kyle's take. Kyle's coming for Thanksgiving. Nice. Whether he thinks, Ben, it's shaving time. But I've been calling him Aunt Bunny because remember Eddie Murphy, the Eddie Murphy comedy album

when he does the whole thing about the family and his Aunt Bunny who had a mustache. Come on over and give me a kiss, baby. Does he like that? Crying. Well, he loves that Eddie Murphy album. So he gets kind of mad, but also admits that it's like a good burn.

That's funny. So I was like, look, man, I don't think I shaved till i was 15 and even then it might have been a force i was like this is really impressive that yeah you know you've got this little like mini bunny stash going so i think we might shave this week but probably wait for kyle that's good yeah it was around that same age it was that yeah have kyle do it have kyle uh attach some uh well you noticed his he all of a sudden he's got this nice deep voice now. Yeah.

The voice changed. I saw him. I immediately put him in an arm bar and he used the other free hand to show me his three fantasy teams. I'm like, this is a good kid. You actually got mad at him. I'm like, no, this is great. This is what kids should do. Show fantasy lineups.

He hasn't made the connection yet that nobody wants to see his fantasy team. He's been playing the PS5, the 2K, and now they're adding all the dudes to the 2K

on the new teams and the free agent signing. So it's like this extra bonus for all these people that play the video games. But all I know is the Celtics team will be a little bit worse. All right.

That was Parent Corner brought to you by CarMax, America's number one used car retailer, car buying, car selling the way it should be. Check them out today at CarMax.com. Cuz, so you're hosting,

you're going to be hosting Fox's pregame football show next week. I am actually, they skipped the Thursday. I'm not on the, oh, I'm going to be hosting Fox's pregame football show next week. I am actually, they skipped the Thursday. I'm not on the, uh, Oh, I'm going to be hosting the whole show.

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Because you're like, you're like 90 people away now. Yeah, I know. I'm moving up.

Stay away. Uh, no, I am on a Fox bet live. I think I take, I picked up five in a row on the, on the Thursday pregame show. That starts up the week after Thanksgiving again,

but I'm on Fox Bet Live, 5 p.m. Eastern on FS1. And I went on Against All Odds, and we kind of crushed the draft bets. We did really well. We did Wiseman over Ball, and we had all these other things, right? Topping at number eight. Topping, going right to number eight on Fandle was like almost five to one. So thank you for coming on. That was great.

Listen against all odds in the Extra Points Podcast Network. And I have a book called You Can't Lose Them All. It's on the Ringer label, right? Yeah. And it's available for pre-order at Barnes & Noble and wherever you can pre-order. And I had to sign like 500 freaking things that all the pre-order people get. So please, please, at least 500 of you, please pre-order the damn book. You can't lose it. And if it does well, the Ringer Books, they said they might publish the cookbook from Daniel.

Our friend Daniel? Yeah. The cookbook might have a better chance if your gambling book does well. Yeah. Do that. You're going to want to see the cookbook for sure. All right. Cuz, as that. You're going to want to see the cookbook for sure. All right. Cuz, as always, good job by you. Good job by you, Bill. That's it for the podcast. I have some other stuff for you this week.

We are going to be doing two more BS podcasts this week. And we also have a Rewatchables. This was a one for us. I'll just be honest. Nick Cage is the star of this movie, and that's all I'm going to tell you, but that's going up on Monday night. And then a new book of basketball

about one of the greatest power forwards of all time. So that's happening as well. Lots coming up. Enjoy the rest of Sunday night, early Monday morning. See you on the Rewatchables feed. On the wayside On the first side of the river I'm saying I don't have to ever