The Bill Simmons Podcast - Here Come the Pats! Plus: The “What’s Wrong?” Game, Taylor vs. Jake, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Patriots’ blowout win vs. the Browns, the Cowboys’ blowout win vs. the Falcons, a surprising Buccaneers loss to the Washington Football Team, a rocky first game back for Russell Wilson, Chargers-Vikings, Steelers-Lions, and more (2:38). Then they Guess the Lines for NFL Week 11 (40:38) before closing the show with Parent Corner (1:18:40). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Take a deep breath. It's going to happen. I keep telling myself this. And then talk Week 11 lines and a whole bunch of It's going to happen. I keep telling myself this. And then talk week 11 lines and a whole bunch of other subplots. First, our friends from ProTree. All right, taping this a little after 8 o'clock on Sunday night Pacific time. Got to start a little early today because the Chiefs decided to show up for the 2021 season. It took them 10 weeks.

Here they are. I lost money, of course. Who have you lost more money on, the Chiefs or the Broncos this season? It's close. The Bucs are climbing their way up there, too. And Texas Longhorn just... Yeah, I don't know. It's equal opportunities.

I've lost on every single team this year. But this... We threw dirt on this Chiefs team just a little early, it looks like. It looks like it was up for the takings for the scariest team in the league. They're like, no one's standing out. And they're like, let's just remind everybody who's the best. And what did they re-sign? Travis Kelsey?

Because I don't remember seeing that guy for like two months. The guy that came out there today. And the fake punts and everything else. And they're in first place again. Deshaun Jackson just giving the ball to the other team. That was happening. We had safeties dropping interceptions. It was a weird game. The score didn't reflect the game.

Real quick, the Deshaun Jackson thing. He's made a career of this. He'll have a breakaway touchdown and he'll slow down at three and taunt receivers. Did he have a tick, something in his head where he needs it more challenging? Why did he turn into the only guy he needed to beat?

He was so much faster than everybody else. I don't know. Whatever. It didn't matter. Was that a 10-point game or a 13-point game when that happened? Because it did feel like

they were going to go toe-to-toe for scores and then all of a sudden the game was over. I think it was 13. That would have cut it to six. I think that's what it was. Well, the big story. Forget the Chiefs. We'll talk about them later.

The big story. This was the weekend that a Cowboys Patriots Super Bowl I started to really think about. What it would do for our friendship. Combined how many seats we'd have to ask for because the game's in LA. What would the pod be like before the game? What would the pod be like that night?

Would we have to wait a couple of hours until the loser cooled off? Wow. It really started to feel real today, Sal. I think you're right. Someone pointed out to me, one of our friends pointed out like between you and Bill, this is the biggest point differential for wins you guys have had in the same day, right? Like probably, what was it like 70 point win combined and Cowboys went over the Falcons and you're shellacking of the Browns. You guys look good. I mean, the Falcons

technically were a playoff team in the NFC before today, but you beat up on a pretty sturdy Browns team. Didn't look like it, but it looked like they were going to be physical with you. They took a 7-0 lead and you never look back after that. We scored 45 straight. Your

game was over in two minutes. It was 7-0 and Matt Ryan was doing the backpedal, look nervous thing, and then you just scored every time you had the ball. Our game, it looked like it was going to be a old school, maybe there's 10 possessions total in the game slugfest, and then the Browns, as soon as you get the lead on them,

it's kind of over for them. With Baker with one arm, you're 21-7. You might as well be up 40-7 at that point. Yeah, I don't know. Well, first of all, your guy, Mac and Cheat, we never talked about the holding when he pulled the jersey. He should have been suspended four games, so I don't even know why they let him

play today, but Mac and Cheat went out and just went nuts. 19 for 23, 198-3 touchdowns. I don't know if Case Keenum is better than Baker. I definitely don't think they should resign him. I really don't. I think there are some nice options for the Browns out there.

Could be Rodgers, could be Wilson, could be Jimmy G. I take all those guys plus the top two or three incoming draftees too. Did you call Mac Jones Mac and Cheat? You called the offensive rookie of the year? The best pick in the draft? If we have a redraft, he goes either first or second depending on how you feel about Trevor the Fumbler Lawrence. You called him Mac and cheat because he grabbed

somebody's ankle? People just hate the Patriots. He's cheating. He's taught the cheating ways. It feels he's done that in the Bear Steelers game. Everybody's like, oh, great play. Savvy. Oh, classic Bears. 85 Bears are backelers game. Everybody was like, oh, great play. Savvy. Oh, classic Bears. 85 Bears are back. Mac Jones, it's like cheater.

Yeah. Well, Mac and Cheetah's too good to pass up. But I have to say, from your perspective, this has to be... This is the first time you have bragging rights over Tom Brady, right? First time Belichick has bragging rights. I know you probably won a game when they've lost a few weeks ago.

New Orleans, I think you had won that game. But this is like a week ago as far as that team in the playoffs. And to add to that, Tom Brady needed Belichick today. This is the kind of game, probably the first time he missed them. Because with Belichick as coach, they don't lose that game coming off a buy, off a loss. They don't look as unprepared as they did going to Washington. Team had like 31st in the league defensively and lose Chase Young early on. That was a disgusting display. Sal, much like Mark McGuire, I'm not here to talk about the past. I'm here to talk about the present and the future. And his name is Mac Jones.

Mac Jones was unbelievable in that game today. Oh my God. I watched with Kyle. Kyle can attest. I was letting out noises like Meg Ryan and the Win Harry Met Sally Deli. I was having a stroke. He was threading the needle. He's throwing lob passes. He's hitting guys in double coverage, doing little play action. It really, really felt

like early 2000s Pats, which I've been saying on this podcast for multiple weeks. It's really one of the only things I've been right about the last month with football. But this Pat, coming out when they were 2-4, it still felt like it was a playoff team. They're good. They're well-rounded.

They can run the ball. They can throw the ball. They have a pass rush. They don't get beat on big plays. They have good special teams, although the punt returning day was bad. But it's a good team. They've won four straight. They have like a plus 98 point differential for the season.

And you look around the AFC, it's like, who do I like? Do I like Tennessee? Tennessee's eight and two. Do they feel like an eight and two team? Well, that's the thing. So every team has at least two losses, right? Like we never, I don't remember ever going this far where a team was either that we had at least one undefeated team or a one or two or three, one loss teams. Everybody's got two losses. We often talk about who's out of the, who we kicking out, who's, you know, who we cross off, you know, for playoff consideration. Let's do it the other way.

How many teams can win the Superbowl? I might put your Patriots in there. I don't even want to say it. I might put them in there. I think they could actually do it. I emailed one of our guys at FanDuel because Dallas is plus 470 to win the NFC right now. The Pats have dropped to 13-1.

They're 31-1 two weeks ago. Combined, it's basically 780-1 if you put those two together. 780? 78-1. 78-1. You bet 100, you win 7800. I asked them. I was? I mean, 78-1. 78-1. Yeah. You bet 100, you win 7,800.

Well, we should do that. I was like, hey, FanDuel, boost that for us. Instead of 78-1, what about a little 100-1

for the Bill South Super Bowl? I like that. People can go bet on it on FanDuel, but they were like, hey, we need a day. That's a lot.

That's a high thing. I'm like, well, you better figure it out because Dallas New England is in play. They should figure it out. In the meantime, well, you better figure it out because Dallas New England is in play. They should figure it out. In the meantime, we should bet it whenever they come out with it, whether they boost it or not, because we're going to be at each other's throats.

That's going to be very, very emotional. It's going to be hard. That's going to be a hard couple weeks for us, especially if we're both in the playoffs feeling like we might see each other. The other thing is, how do we do a podcast after that? I'm not talking immediately after that, but maybe that's it. Right? That's our final part?

It's like Sopranos. We just said, don't stop believing. It's my favorite time of the week, but I feel like, where do we go from there? And Pat's still plus 440 to win the East. How is that possible? I know, I couldn't believe that because we still play Buffalo twice. Right. You know, this Pat's team, Belichick really likes them. And usually, especially during the Brady era, he was always kind of like tough dad when they would have a big win. He'd be like, oh, you know, we still got some work to do. And

you know, the Pats would win like 40 to three. I'd be like, well, you know, there's some stuff out there I didn't really like. And just like constant wet blanket. I think he really likes this team. Go read the quotes and go watch the video. Not that you would, but after this game, when he's just like, that was awesome. We played, we had so many guys make great plays, great plays all around the ball.

What a great team win. Like really effusively positive than he should have been because they really beat the hell out of I think a decent Browns team. A team that has a pass rush. A team that was running the ball on them and then couldn't once they fell down 14. Has a good secondary.

I couldn't give a crap what he has to say. Go check Coach of the Year. I've said that in the beginning of the year. I gave that out. The Chargers coach is the beginning of the year. I gave that out. The Chargers coach is the number one all through. That's falling apart a little. I don't know

what that is. You can count on that team. They are the Vikings of the AFC, I think, right now, and they lost to them. I would say it's Vrabel. Vrabel and Belichick, I would say, would be the two right now. Tennessee being eight and two,

they lose Henry. They had a COVID thing at the beginning of the year. Julio Jones has given them basically nothing except for like two games. Well, I said it was Stanley, but it was Kingsbury,

I think, was favored going into this week with the one loss. And now, but now it looks like they can sit, I mean, they can sit Kyler.

They have a bye after this week, so they might just sit him again. And, you know, they have a good enough record that they're definitely going to make the playoffs. Today featured the greatest regular season moment we've had since I've known Kyle. I've known Kyle his whole life, but since we've been hanging out watching Pat's games.

This Jacoby Myers not scoring a touchdown thing was like a real crazy streak. He played his entire career at 39 games. He'd thrown a touchdown somehow and caught one. And it became like this weird subplot of the season of like, how is this possible? This guy's probably our best red zone person that we have other than the Hunter Henry.

And he would catch one. It would be a flag down, called back, like all kinds of crazy stuff. And then he finally got one in garbage time and the entire team ran off to sidelines to jump on him. It was like a game-winning touchdown because he's like this beloved teammate. And we were pumped because it was like, this is ridiculous. How has this guy not caught a touchdown yet?

Like 200 guys a year catch touchdowns in the NFL, right? 250? I don't even know the number. He had it coming for sure. So the fact that the whole team, I don't even know the number. He had it coming for sure. So the fact that the whole team, I don't want to sound corny, but the whole team runs down and it's just like, it's one of those teams. They really like each other. They pull for each other. And it really

does remind me of the early 2000s. You have like a Rudy moment. It was a Rudy moment. Yeah, it was good. Asshole coach. Oh, come on. Why don't you give the defense some credit? Hightower, Wise. I love it. All these guys. Van Noy. That was how it was. Why don't you give the defense some credit? Hightower, Wise. I love it. All these guys.

Van Noy. That was some effort. Duggar. Phillips has been great. We have safeties that make plays. I really like this Pats team. When you go through, it's like Tennessee's 8-2. They seem vulnerable.

Buffalo, we'll see. We'll see when they play. Baltimore, 6-3. They lost on Thursday night to the fucking Dolphins. And then, and then Casey, you figure six and four, let's put them in.

So Tennessee, Buffalo, New England, Baltimore, Casey, we'll just put them in just to do it. You still need two playoff teams. Here's the,

here's the rest of the list. Pittsburgh five, three, and one since he five and four Vegas five and four, it looks like they're collapsing chargers five and four. They haven't looked good for four weeks. Indies 5-5 with Wentz. Denver's 5-5.

Looked horrific today. And kind of, I don't know what happened with Bridgewater on the pivotal fumble thing. But that was one of the weirdest plays of the year. Two gloves might need three gloves. I don't know what he was thinking there. Not attacking, reaching out at all. And Cleveland's 5-5. So we still need two playoff teams

out of that list I mentioned. I don't like any of them. Here's the interesting thing. Not only those tough divisions, AFC North and AFC West, and before that game tonight, no one in those divisions won a game this week, including going back to Thursday night. Not only do they have to play themselves within the division, they play each other.

The AFC North plays the AFC West, so every week you're going to have a playoff game. Like Cincinnati plays Vegas next week. Like every week there's going to be a playoff game or two inter inter division, inter division between those two. So Patriots don't have to worry about that. Um, you did play the jets twice already and the Texans, but you have the AFC South and you have some other games winnable for sure. You're making playoffs.

I don't think it's a question at this point. Well, we got the Falcons on Thursday, which we'll talk about when we do Guess the Lions. Yeah. Tough week to catch the Falcons coming off a disastrous loss. Yeah. Figured they're not going to be that bad two weeks in a row. Then they have the Titans, week 12.

Perfect timing to catch them. Yeah. At Bills Monday night, bye week. The week 14 bye. It's ridiculous. Then they go at Colts, home Bills Monday night, bye week. The week 14 bye, it's ridiculous. Then they go at Colts, home Bills, home Jags, at Dolphins. And

I think 11 and 6 seems reasonable for that thing. Yeah. And Ken Buffalo, Buffalo still has at the Saints a week from now. Two against the Pats, they're at Tampa. They got a Jets one. So who knows?

We'll see. Your team answered some questions. I'm excited. I think they needed a game like that. I don't... I guess we're just going to have games this year that we just throw out

and decide never to talk about again. Like last week, you literally couldn't throw the ball against Denver. This week, Jalen Hurts, all he did was throw the ball against Denver and pick them apart. You have a better quarterback and better receivers and couldn't move the ball against Denver. This week, Jalen Hurts, all he did was throw the ball against Denver and pick them apart. You have a better quarterback and better receivers and couldn't move the ball. I haven't seen it, really, where a team is so good

on the road. We saw Bridgewater's record against the spread and as an underdog, as a road underdog and everything. They went out there and they kicked the crap out of Dallas. They went in 30-0 going into the fourth quarter. I was worried, Simmons. I really was. I was like, oh, man, we might regress back to what I'm used to. Lose to Denver.

Lose a dumb game to Atlanta. Then we have to go to Kansas City the next week. And then the Thanksgiving game, which is always a riot. So but no, we're we stepped up. The defense was great. Dak is back. I think Dan Quinn wanted to send a message to the Falcons. It's like, we're going to take over.

Sure seem like it. It's nice when you don't have to worry about it, and now I don't have to worry about them beating the Chiefs. It's all gravy. Yeah, that game was off one of the four TVs in my house two minutes into the second quarter. It's like, okay, we've

seen enough here. So you got Green Bay at 8-2 and Dallas at 7-2. Arizona at 8-2, okay, we see, see enough here. So you got Green Bay at eight and two and Dallas at seven and two. Arizona at eight and two, but falling because all their skill guys, their best skill guys are hurt. Rams seven and two just lost Woods.

And then Tampa six and three. And we should talk about them in a second. So I, I have five playoff teams I like. And then it gets weird again

where it's like the Saints five and four with Trevor Simeon. The NFC. Carolina's five and Saints 5-4, we're trying to see me in. Carolina's 5-5. They might actually play Cam. Minnesota, which I think is a 4-5. They could easily be 6-3. Atlanta, cross them off.

Philly, who knows, because they play NFC. Don't sleep on the Eagles. Yeah, don't sleep on the Eagles. I think the Eagles are okay out of that bunch. Eagles, Falcons, if one of them has to get the 7th seed. Eagles are running the ball. They have like 680 yards rushing the last four games or something crazy. Yeah.

As soon as Miles Sanders, who's on two of my teams went out, they decided to run the ball. Yeah. That there's some good offensive stats with the Eagles the last three weeks, even Seattle at three and six, their defense at least has come around. Now they have to figure out they can get Wilson healthy,

but yeah, that was disappointing. Take it easy with the videos, Russell. About 18 hours a day, you got shut out. How was he not? He practiced at least this week. Rodgers didn't even practice. They both looked like crap in the first half.

That was a truly awful game. I think 8-9 is in play for a seven-seed wild card in the NFC. I agree. I think most people think, oh, it'll be nine and eight or ten and seven. I honestly think eight and nine could get there. If you look at it now, Carolina would be the seven-seed at five and five.

They could easily finish eight and nine. And like the Niners tomorrow night, if I'm the Niners, I'm like, dude, we beat the Rams tomorrow. We're good. Like, let's go. Let's make it happen. The most important thing here,

we might be able to bet against Cam Newton in a playoff game. I don't want to jinx it. But if they can sneak into a seven seed, get a two seed, play Green Bay Dallas, something like that. But I think out of all those teams, I think your team's probably in the best shape because you have an easy schedule the rest of the way, right? You still have a bunch of NFC East games left.

I mean, we have two against Washington and one against the Giants. Now, Washington looked good. I mean, maybe the NFC East is back from what we saw, you know, with the Washington beating Tampa and Philadelphia. Well, they're not as easy. Chase Young's out for the year. Yeah, but they're not going to lay down these teams just yet. Well, you might have counted the Giants to just, like,

pack it in in Week 12, but I think we're going to see some competitive games out of them. But I'm not as worried as I probably should be with the Cowboys. All right. We're going to take a break, and we're going to talk about Tom Brady in a game called What's Wrong. What's Wrong. Here we go.

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I'd be fine with. It's like, all right, you know, it's 17-game season. Every team's going to have a couple of these. But they had one last week. Yeah. Or two weeks ago.

Two weeks ago. Saints, whenever. Yeah, and it's like, you already had this game. You can't have this game now two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Against the Saints. Yeah. And it's like, you already had this game. You can't have this game now two times in a row. Washington's not very good. Heineke was picking them apart,

driving the ball. They gave up a 19-play drive with 11 minutes left to basically lose the game. And Brady looked like he was 44 years old. And people are like, well, he didn't have

Antonio Brown and Em Gronk. It's like, all right, so Brady can only look good if he has this entire fleet of awesome weapons. Otherwise he's going to look like he's 44. I don't, he was pissed after the game. He gave a very terse press conference. Right. I didn't, I have not liked what I've seen from him the last two weeks. And I don't know if it's an aberration or something more. Well, I mean, do you ask simply what's wrong with him? He's 44 years old.

He shouldn't be in the league. That's it. He shouldn't be playing football. He should be doing something else at this point. When we're 44, we wouldn't even dream of it, right? I don't know.

I watched that game. I watched every single play. I was at my kid's Little League game, but that was the one I was focused on, that and the Cowboys. And it was three-yard checkdowns all the way through

for the first half. He got ripped off. That first interception, that was a catch, and he turned, and it was a fumble, but they call it an interception. But he really almost had three. They had one that basically hit the ground. I don't know what's wrong with him.

I have nothing else to say other than what you said. They shouldn't have to have everybody in for him to excel, right? Even with the Edwins and Godwin and Brate, that's still just as good or better than anybody else has receiving-wise. But, yeah, very conservative. Again, they didn't have him ready. Like, I didn't think that team looked ready at all on either side of the ball. You said that Heineke picked them apart. That's one thing that Belichick would have done.

He would have had them ready after loss against a team who was trying to beat you. They lost in the playoffs. Yeah, come on by. They beat them in the playoffs 24-16. Of course, there's going to be some smoke there. They were terrible. They lost Vita Vader in the game, which made me have to run deep.

I think the answer lies when they show Bruce Arians on the sidelines, and it looks like he forgot to put sunscreen on when he played the second 18 when he was playing 36 yesterday. It looks like he's to put sunscreen on when he played the second 18, when he was playing 36 yesterday. It looks like he's putting in six hour days. Oh, interesting. He's got this weird skin color of just a guy who's playing golf every day.

And that team was so sloppy and so disgustingly all over the map in that game. Washington's not good. Like Gibson McKissick and, uh, and McLaren who made, who made the key catch over the middle where he got absolutely annihilated and hold on the ball. Those guys seem tougher than everyone on the bucks today. Yeah,

they did. You know, that's a great, great thing. You stumbled onto that. We should see coaches coming off a buy, what their complexion is like, because you're right.

It's been warmer out normally than normal. If they have, I want to see like a weigh-ins, like a Friday before a game. I want to see if you have that sunburn, if you have that, you know, uh, you know, Trump rally sunburn, uh, maybe weren't taken in 15 hours. Yeah. Has Belichick ever looked at sunburn on the sidelines ever? No, no. He's in a freaking cave. Look, he'saring a hoodie. He's got a cave. Yeah. So my thing with Brady is what I said. If this is just he needs all his weapons, I don't think that's a great sign for them as a Super Bowl team. I thought he could have carried them one of these games.

His MVP thing has, it's not sailed away because nobody has grabbed the MVP, but I think he could have grabbed it by the balls the last two weeks and it went the other way, right? He definitely could have. Yeah. And as well, so it's going to be Josh Allen, right? He threw a ton of touchdowns today.

Josh Allen, who scored six points against the Jaguars? He didn't lose the first place. He was still the top odds guy, so he's got to stay there. Is there a chance Mahomes could jump back in it if he throws like five touchdowns a game? It's not inconceivable. If they went on some crazy run and

you think like, I don't know, they win five in a row and he throws for 20 touchdowns and 2,800 yards or something. Yeah, because it'll be a quarterback and it's not going to be Rodgers. I don't think he's going to get enough votes. So Josh Allen could be Mahomes.

Mark Mosley. It could be a Mark Mosley. Mark Mosley wins the MVP. Derrick Henry's out, so it could be somebody like thatley Mark Mosley wins the MVP Derrick Henry's out so you know it could be somebody like that alright another another one for what's wrong with dot dot dot Russell Wilson I thought his

finger was healthy it looked like he'd never played football before so if he wasn't healthy why did they play him and if he was healthy really bad son I don't think the Packers defense is good. It's not that good. He's 32 years old. And this is the first time today I watched

that game thinking, this might be his last Seahawks season. He's going to be 33 next year. I think he's worth a lot more to another team. The Seattle's already won a Super Bowl with him. And you look like if the draft, the order was set today, the Giants would have the sixth and seventh picks

because they got the seventh pick from that fields trade. The Jets would have the third and tenth picks and the Eagles would have five, 10, and 15. So if there was ever a year to trade your franchise QB and reboot and rebuild, there's three teams that need QBs. Well, two, I guess Zach Wilson, but maybe Zach Wilson's in the trade.

Maybe it's Zach Wilson in the third pick for Russell Wilson. I think he could play till he's 40. Just keep trading the Wilsons. Yeah, I'm with you. I mentioned the Browns in that. Browns are another. They don't have the picks though.

Well, there's going to be, I know, but there's going to be, it's 32. Who knows what you get for Russell Wilson? I don't know. There were times he had good field awareness, like he slipped up a rush and like ran for 13 yards. And he was way off sailing the ball. And I even was like, all right, he's back in the second half.

And he's like, oh, he's back. He's not quite back because he was thrown. But all I know is he came out with that instagram post and he says it's it's time it's time it's like as if he was like it's like you've been gone like three and a half weeks so you're right fighting in a war and he's like jordan coming back for baseball take it easy but i'm an idiot i bought back i took him plus three and a half points or i bought it up to three and a half whatever it was so stupid pack, all they do is give people money if you bet them. And they did it again.

I think they're eight and one against the spread. That was disgusting too. Well, the Seahawks fans don't like this team, but they're the only ones allowed to criticize the team at this point. Pete Carroll with that flip phone was terrific. Imagine looking through all your shit to find a red challenge flag and he found this flip phone. What did he throw?

He threw a glove? His flip phone. He actually had a flip phone. Look at it. It's crazy. He saw scissors on the field and a flip phone. It's not your regular football week. What's wrong with Herbert and the Chargers? Because I don't know what happened. Keenan Allen was open all

the time in the first three weeks. Doesn't seem like he's open anymore. Mike Williams, it's like he was hit by a car. And then Eckler, who it seems like they're preserving for the playoffs, but they might not make the playoffs. They don't use him enough. And then Herbert has like two, three just terrible

throws a game. Defensively, you can run on him. I don't know. Kyle asked today, is Bosa healthy? I don't know. I haven't heard Bosa's name a ton. Right. And I don't think that team's...

I don't want to say they're a cross-off, but I don't think that's a contender. You could definitely run on him. That wasn't really the problem today. I mean, he was 20 for 34, 195 with a touchdown and interception. And we've been saying all like, oh, he's great. Look how great he is. I was like, whoa, maybe we should step back a little bit.

He's had some not so great games. Isn't all the defense's fault. It feels like he's stalled. There's some sophomore jinx stuff with this. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. I don't know exactly what's wrong with him. I wouldn't recommend seeing the team doctor under any circumstances.

Hey, doc, can I get a shot? What's wrong with the White Lotus Mike White? I'm going to say what's wrong with Mike White is he crashed back to Earth and there's been some broken bones. It was fun. It was a fun two-week thing while it lasted for Mike White. It's like what we talk about with Beanie Babies. Why aren't they worth anything anymore?

They never should have been worth anything. What's up? What's wrong? Did we get the Jeremy Lin? Jeremy Lin was longer than Mike White. That was three weeks? No, Jeremy Lin was like four weeks. Was it four?

There was an all-star break. We got to talk about it. It was time for some think pieces. Right. Yeah, poor Mike White. Poor Mike White. So now it makes it easier for Saleh. He could bring in Wilson last week. Baker Mayfield.

We know part of what's wrong with him. He's playing with one arm. He's been hurt every year. And when you start talking about, is this guy worth the $30 million a year extension, $40 million? They don't have to do anything. They could just do $18 million in year five. Yeah, but then they'll be talking about it the whole time.

The whole year they'll be talking about it. I'll tell you what, he's making it easier on them every week. He's making it easy. Brown's decision. I don't know who I was talking to about it, but Daniel Jones or Baker Mayfield at this point? I think Daniel Jones. Yeah. Let's play more. Give me some more QBs. Carson Wentz. It's close, right? Yeah, it's close. I have to think about it.

Carson Wentz might be good with the Browns. I don't know. Trevor Simeon? I put Baker at the bottom there. I really do. I wouldn't give him that money. Like, her cousins at least proved themselves a little. They're kind of in the same, you know, like, little, like, zone there. But I don't know. I do think he might be the worst NFL player who ever got this many commercials.

Oh, interesting. Like, they were showing, we were killing them today. And it's like, let's take a break. And it's like, Baker Mayfield for Progressive. Interesting, right? And it's like, how does he have commercials? Like, Lamar Jackson must be like, what's take a break. And it's a Baker Mayfield for progressive. Interesting. How does he have commercials like Lamar Jackson must be like, what

the fuck? Right. Where am I? I'm a hundred times better than this guy. But I was trying to think who's who's less of an impactful guy who got multiple commercials. I can't even think. It's not even close, right? Who else? He's not even one of the like the 15 best

quarterbacks in the league yeah so who gets him Brady gets a ton Dak Rogers Wilson guys are all good these guys are all Gardner Minshew now Gardner I honestly I would rather have Gardner Minshew than let's say with one arm

at this point but I think they made a big mistake not playing Keenum come in a lot sooner because Baker finally made it easier. Well, they were winning that game. It didn't matter.

But I don't love Baker. I know there are some diehard fans that are going to kill us on Twitter tomorrow. But I don't. What are they killing us for? There's no track record

of sustained success with him in the NFL. He gets hurt every year. Balls get tipped to the line of scrimmage all the time. He just had his superstar receiver that they traded for just basically tanked his way out of town to get away from him. Like, what am I missing?

I don't know. Like, once in a while, you'll see a week like last week where, okay, he threw a lot of 60-yard touchdown pass to Peoples Jones, but they also had a 90-yard interception return, and then they had a special team's return for a touchdown or something. So, I don't know. For the most part, he needs to make two big throws a game. And from what I see, he can't do it. I think if he has a lead, he's a different guy, but there's a lot of guys in the league you can say that about. Like, all right. Like Teddy Bridgewater's like that. If you give Teddy Bridgewater a 10-point lead and you can do some play action and some quick accuracy

stuff, he's great. I don't get it. I don't see it. I don't know why he has the commercials. One more. What's wrong with dot, dot, dot. What's wrong with DirecTV? Did they not have it? How are they this bad? How is, I don't know how much longer

they have to be in our life. I assume Amazon is just going to get the rights from them at some point. But how do they mess this up? The Pats are the national game, I guess. So in LA, now people say, it's your fault. Why'd you move to LA? If you live in New England, you get the Pats game.

It's like, well, I should be able to live anywhere and get the Pats game. I'm paying $350 a year for the fucking package. It's like 80 degrees outside if they really need an answer. Yeah, it was 88 this weekend. Yeah, that was another reason. So the Pats go up. All of a sudden, they're like, we are now switching to Titan Saints. Oh, they actually did that.

They switched it. So we had it on CBS. All of a sudden, it's Titan Saints. It's like, all right, cool. I'll go to the DirecTV. 706. Nope. 15 minutes passed.

We missed like half of the fourth quarter. Wait a minute. Yeah, but it was on no channel. No, it was on zero channel. What? It wasn't on 701 with the eight box? No. So eventually we figured, oh, we got to go to the eight box and it was on 701 and it had four things and it's like, what

the fuck? Just reactivate 706. And obviously they have nobody that works on the weekends, but I don't know how hard this is. It's like, we're switching the games, call the person at DirecTV, they flip a switch and it'd be 706 because it's available.

So we almost missed Jacoby Myers' touchdown. I would have been really mad. It's like the highlight of the past season. If you didn't see it, it doesn't count. DirecTV,

they just can't stay out of their own way. I don't know what's wrong with them. Like, what is DirecTV stream? DirecTV stream, how is, so I can't,

I'd have to pay more for DirecTV stream when I'm already paying for direct TV. Wait a minute. What is that? Direct TV stream is like a different version of direct TV. It's like, wait,

call that different then. Oh man. And you would have gotten that game. No, I want, they once, maybe they should just leave it up to us. They once,

or for a couple of weeks, they gave us, remember we got to program, which were in the four box and stuff? I don't think they care anymore. They definitely don't care. Just trying to piss you off. Celtic games, sometimes it'll be like,

nope, you're getting the Cavs announcers, like yesterday. Wow. Celtics lose to the Cavs. I got Austin Carr, who I actually like Austin Carr, but it's like, where are my announcers? Can I have my announcers? Nope, can't. I think your announcer's left. Last what's wrong with. We actually have an answer for this.

Steelers-Lions. The funniest game of the year. Yeah. A preordained tie. I think they should have just told us before the game, this is going to end up as a tie. It was 16-16 final. You know how I have on rewatchables, I have Apex Mountain?

Yeah, yeah. This was Nadir Canyon golf versus Rudolph. I think this is the worst quarterback battle you could have. They 75 passes between them for 356 yards total. Yeah. Which is 75. It's like less than five yards and a temp.

Well, yeah, they couldn't manage 180 either of them. I don't think in five quarters Rudolph finally that I think Roethlisberger is like, yeah, they couldn't manage 180, either of them, I don't think, in five quarters. Rudolph, finally, I think Roethlisberger's like, hey, here's what I do. Just throw it up for grabs downfield. You might get a pass interference. Receiver might make a catch, but that's good. Just lob it up.

It'll seem like you're doing it intentionally. There was one moment in overtime. Detroit had third and 23, and it was incompletion, but there was a holding. And normally it'd be like, all right, third and 23, decline. So you punted to us. We were arguing like, I'm accepting the holding. Let's go third and 33.

We have a better chance to score with Goff than we do with our own offense. I actually genuinely think they should have accepted the holding. And we didn't think, we were talking about who, you win the coin toss, do you accept, do you take the ball or do you kick? Oh, I think they should have absolutely kicked. Yeah, that was a mistake

too. Yeah, because you could do more damage with the ball if you're Goff because he was like, I have no idea how he, I think he only had one pick. It felt like he should have had 17. Yeah, he threw a bunch up. It was raining. There was

at least 45 drop picks. They kept cutting the sad Steelers fans covered in plastic, rain pouring on them. It was the worst game of the year. I know the weather and the elements were a factor, but I don't remember two quarterbacks not dealing with it,

dealing with it as poorly as they did. Right. Like it was just bad. They weren't moving the ball at all. Still was very lucky to get a win and a tie out of the last six days. I mean, the game against the bears, we never got to talk about it,

but the five worst calls of the year were in that game. And when all went against the bears and then they play, they play the lions. Granted they lost their starting quarterback, but to tie that game, they're lucky. They gained on everybody else in the division. I know everybody's complaining about the taunting, but

I just don't understand. We can't taunt, but the entire defense can run 50 yards to the end zone to do some sort of Cobra Kai pose. Yeah, it's like a bowling tournament in the end zone, like 70 yards away. Yeah. I don't,

I, how do you have both of those things at the same time? No taunting, but this can happen. Right. It's proximity, I guess. I guess you could run home and have a party on zoom or something,

but if you're right in the guy's face, I don't, I've talked, we've talked about it enough. It's disgusting. What a mess. Um, last thing for you before we,

uh, go to guest lines. So the home teams heading into this week were 66 and 70. Bad, yeah. Not against the spread. Just to win.

They were under 500. Home teams were under 500 just to win. When we were growing up, what was it? 75, 80%? Home teams won. Something crazy like that.

Seemed like it, yeah. This week, they were 7-5. I read a couple stories about this. One was that the old thing that we always say where home team gets three points is now Vegas has basically decided that's one point.

Wow. Is that right? And that's why I think I've been off this year. That's the only reason I think you're doing okay against me this year. I'm using the old rules. The three-point goes to the home team. No, it's still two or two and a half. I don't think it is. Well, I'll say this.

We looked at the lines this week, right? It's like, what? Minnesota only getting two and a half to the Chargers? What? The Eagles only getting two and a half to Denver? It looked weird. By the way, that Saints line, I know Vegas is famous for magicians and stuff. What kind of magic did they pull with the Saints?

Like that's a one man offense. Alvin Kamara. This is not three years ago where they had Breeze and Kamara and Michael Thomas. Okay. They still had those two. If Kamara is out. No, you got Trevor Simeon and nobody else with Alvin Kamara. And they wouldn't move that line to three.

It stayed at two and a half. And it wasara and they wouldn't move that line to three. It stayed at two and a half. And it was almost like, don't worry about it, Sal. We got this. We got it. We're going to figure out how to screw over the betters. Like whoever takes Tennessee, it's like, oh yeah, they're down to, there's no way they're making a two point conversion and let's make sure of it. We'll put them back five yards for a legal motion. And then the Titans went by to like, perfect Vegas Vandal. You got it. You figured it out. It was the fishiest line of the year. I stayed away.

It was so fishy. I think that's the only time I've done it this year. I was like, that line is just insane. How is Tennessee not favored by three and a half, four, four and a half? I don't something more than that. I need to explain to me because Devante Adams moved when he was out a few weeks ago, that moved two and a half points, right? Kamara's worth so much more, at least as much to the Saints

as Adams is to the Packers. Well, so it was, they were driving for a touchdown and ended up getting a field goal. And they were down eight. And I just started laughing. Because I was like, oh my, oh my God. So of course, Tennessee quickly gives them the ball back. How do they go down?

Now they're down two, they're covering. And it's like, of course, they're not going to get this two point. Yeah. Yeah. There's been, this has been a good year for, are we sure they're not fixing the games? I don't like to say it. That Bear Steelers game was the fishiest game I've watched in a long time.

Where that was just like, if a game was fixed, this is what it would look like. What was the other line you said to me in Hanchin House this morning? You're like, how is this line not moving? It wasn't the Saints. It was something, it was another one. Somebody was out and you're like,

why hasn't this moved? No, it was Kamara. No, no. I brought that up, but then you said, oh, with Chubb maybe being out? No, I don't know who it was. The Pats one. The Camaro one was the one I was the most confused about.

Because he's their entire offense. Yeah, that was really weird. So I don't know what's going on with any of this stuff. I got to say, I'm not getting crushed, but I'm not doing well. I can't get hot. I can't have a week where everything happens. And then you

think like the R-Roll old standby of grabbing the minus 10, minus nine team, grabbing the money line, putting them with something else three weeks in a row. This week it was the bucks just destroying everybody. Like I, I can't rely on the bucks to not play two stinkers in a row. They have the four most talented teams.

I hate to say it, but people listen to us. They know how we gamble. Right. And we're going to guess the lines. I'm going to go, oh, make that a teaser. Take six off of that and no one's going to feel bad for us, but we should be up $100,000

going into week 10 because the seven point favorites are better. We're 27 and 0 before, like you said, three weeks ago before the Bengals lost to the Jets. We should have made so much money. And then all these other Jaguars beat the Bills and all this other bullshit. Cowboys lose to Denver. Bengals, that was another fishy game.

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All right, before we do guess the lines, do you want to have a moment of silence for Jake Gyllenhaal, who's just completely destroyed out of nowhere by Taylor Swift? 10-minute song? Oh, I don't see you're into this more than I am. You don't have daughters. That's not fair. You don't have a daughter.

Forget it. I'm not going to talk. Nah, you stink. Plus, if you're ready for Jimmy's show, you don't have a daughter forget it I'm not gonna talk nah you stink plus if you're ready for Jimmy's show you would have a better awareness that's true it's a huge loophole

you're missing out on a lot of bad pop culture well what happened what happened she crushed him she released 30 songs Nathan and Nora broke it down

on our every single album pod they're like the they're like the me and you of Taylor Swift right but the last song was this redo of this song. I think it's called

All I Want. Now, what's the song called, Kyle? This is bad. All I want is to be done with this topic. That's all I want. Yeah. Now I want to know what this is called. I thought it was called All I Want.

She played it on SNL yesterday for 10 minutes. Yeah, I think it was. I got it. All Too Well. All Too Well. All right. So she turned it into basically Stairway to Heaven. And it's just about how upset she was about this mystery boyfriend who she dated when she was 19 and he was 30.

And just darts left and right but everybody thinks it's about Jake Gyllenhaal and there's all these clues so poor Jake Gyllenhaal just sitting at home enjoying a glass of wine

on a Friday and then all of a sudden drive-by shooting 10 minute song from this girl he dated a million years ago don't you know

it's a matter of time oh you thought you think he thought he was in the clear because it was so long ago yeah it's just like alright yeah maybe the relationship you think he thought he was in the clear because it was so long ago? Yeah, it's just like, all right. Yeah, maybe the relationship didn't work out that great,

but I think they dated like four months. Anyway, people are saying it's her finest moment. She goes on SNL, crushes it. I'm just trying to round you, Sal. I'm trying to make you whole. Kyle's not even recording anymore. I don't know. Kyle just quit.

Anyway, you can listen to every single album pod. All right. Guest Alliance. Week 11. Thursday night. Complicated night for me because we have

the premiere of the Music Box series on HBO. We have Jagged about Alanis Morissette premiering 8 o'clock on HBO

head-to-head against my beloved Patriots. And then I also have to be at a dinner with you because we're going out to dinner with our cousin. That's why you tried to move that night. Might have been one of the reasons. But it's fine because the doc will come on early.

But yeah, it's a complicated night. But I want to see our cousin. It'll be fun. You know what? I'm going to have to pick the... I've been on a horrid streak now on Thursday Night Football. I've lost four in a row.

I'm going to have to pick your Patriots. Blame yourself. I got too damn cocky. That's the problem. It was basically... You were Tony Montana buying the Tiger cage halfway through Scarface

showing people, hey, look at the Tiger I bought. I bought this. I got a Rolls. I've never seen Scarface. I only listen to Taylor Swift. Sorry. Not your guy. Pats at Atlanta. The rematch. I think this might be the first time we've played them since 28-3.

But now Atlanta's, you know, the Braves won a World Series. They've kind of shed some baggage a little bit. I have the Pats favored by 3.5 in Atlanta. Oh, wow! I said 5 and it's 5.5. 5.5.

Yeah, you're going to beat me this week, though. I'm way off on a lot of these. But yeah, yeah, you can't. I mean, you're a defensive force now who scores at least 24 points a game. What can you say about Atlanta? Here's some lyrics from All Too Well. Because there we are again in the middle of the night. We're dancing around the kitchen of the night we're dancing

around the kitchen the refrigerator light down the stairs i was there i remember it all too well some emotional stuff sal i gotta tell you i don't think this is a case but imagine if jake joan hall just was like i gotta get away from this taylor swift thing you know what i'll listen to simmons and sal and guess the lines like i know they won't bring it up like here we are we give it 10 minutes. Nonsense. Within my hair. You were there.

You remember it all. It's a great song. It's really good. Zoe and I listened to it in the car yesterday. We were both like, wow, some of Taylor's best work Sunday marquee game. Let's go to your team.

The Cowboys of Dallas playing Kansas city. Interesting. I initially had picked cowboy. I did the lines this afternoon. I picked cowboys by three in Kansas city. But then I initially had picked Cowboy. I did the lines this afternoon. I picked Cowboys by three in Kansas City. But then after that Chiefs performance, I had to nudge it. So now I got Cowboys by one and a half. I still think you're favored.

Oh, wow. Well, I thought the Chiefs would have to be favored by three. Whether they lost tonight or not, it was going to be a must win for them. Otherwise, they're at home and they're the Chiefs. I said Chiefs by three.

It's Chiefs by two. So I get that one. I said Chiefs by three. It's Chiefs by two. So I get that one. I just disagree with that line. Who knows what to expect. I think they're back. I think they're back-ish. They're back-ish. Premiering on ABC Friday.

I want to figure out. I'm going to go back. I'm going to do it this week. I'm just going to go back and figure out all these teams after their worst game of the year and their best game of the year like what it just seems like it's exactly oh yeah you used to do that didn't yeah i used to do that i stopped doing it this year yeah i don't know just everything went right first of all they do they have a running game right they're on william this is is that their

thing now now they could sit on leads if they have a running game that's sorenson was terrible at an interception. Everything that needed to go right was great. Mahomes was connecting on, like I said, Travis Kelsey, a version of him we hadn't seen in like seven weeks. Plus it seems like Carr, the spirit, left his body at some point in the first quarter of that game.

Yeah, maybe. He has those games where you just kind of immediately know with him it's not there. The watchables. Looks like we have four it's not there. The watchables. Looks like we have four. I'm making this a watchables. Bills, Colts. Okay.

I think it's a game I want to watch carefully and figure out how I feel about each of these teams because both of them might end up being in the playoffs. I don't like Carson Wentz at all. I want to tease the Bills. I think it will be in tease range. I don't like Carson Wentz at all. I want to tease the Bills.

I think it will be in tease range. I have Bills by eight. All right. I said six and a half and it's seven. So I get that, right? I'll take that. You're killing me this week. You want to, oh, you say tease range,

but I don't trust it. You don't trust the Bills? No, I don't trust the Colts. I think they can play with anybody. I know they almost let down against the Jags today, but it's hard to get up for that game. I think Jonathan Taylor is the best fantasy player you could have right now. I think they played deep.

I don't know. They're a dumb team. They could be like eight and two, five and five. Now you mail back my things and I walk home alone, but you keep my old scarf from that very first week. Cause it reminds you of innocence and it smells like me. Right. You can't get rid of it.

Cause you remember it all too well. Can you tell just tough week for Jake? Wow. Kyle, if you need to make a tourniquet, this is what you do. You take, as I see your wrist is really,

you know, I don't want you to bleed out. Ravens are at the bears. And for some reason, I think this is a watchable because I like watching both of these quarterbacks. I enjoyed Lamar Jackson. I enjoyed Justin Fields. I played on enjoying this game. I think the Ravens are going to be favored by four and a half in Chicago.

What do you have? I got it. Well, maybe I will win this week. I said five and a half at six and a half. No, I'm not teasing the Ravens. I don't know. Well, they'll have ten days, but the Bears had two weeks, right? Did that Thursday game feel

like one of the first ones where oh, yeah, both of these teams are on three days rest. I feel like we avoided that most of the Thursday games, but for sure. And Harbaugh said, yeah, we weren't prepared. Yeah, that's exactly what it looked like. My best decision of the year was exactly what it looked like. Nobody.

My best decision of the year was not betting any Thursday games. Smart. I was, I was walking around LA and I was listening to ring around NFL show and Mallory and Nora do the Thursday show and they were doing their mid season awards. And Mallory had a four minute monologue about why Lamar Jackson was the MVP with these stats.

And it was, it was good. And like an hour later, they were destroyed against Miami. And the podcast had just been up, and he lost the MVP two hours later. I was looking at his numbers, too. I was supportive of him. Not that he should be in the first position, but he shouldn't have been eighth.

Four-quarter comeback should count for something. He had three huge ones. And the stats he has would have been good five years ago to win MVP. But I get it. Yeah. After Thursday, everything. They should just ask Vegas.

They should just say, hey, if this person leaves the game, how many points does the line move? Like Rodgers moved the line seven plus points and it probably should have been more. And just ask Vegas, like who would be the leader for the most points removed? Yeah, that's a good point. Who do you think that would be? Well, I think they said it was Rodgers and Brady, right? And Mahomes. Those three were either six, six and a half, or seven right in there.

When I heard Big Ben was out, they said, well, the line moved one and a half. I wasn't sure which way, but I guess we figured out why. That was such a tough beat. It's like, Ben, you're out. You've been replaced by Mason Rudolph

and the line is going to move half of a field goal. Right. And Mason Rudolph is the 52nd best quarterback in the league? 50, 57? There was a time

Ben would have moved at five, five and a half though, right? Six? There was a time Jake Gyllenhaal and Taylor Swift were in love. Oh my God.

Those times, those things, the past is the past. Packers, Vikings in Minnesota. Minnesota is just, you keep wanting to cross them off. You keep wanting to just get rid of them, put them in a box and shove them in the attic.

And then they come crawling back out again. They're like, hey, guys. Yeah. We got some. Justin Jefferson gets open whenever he wants. And we have kind of a pass rush. And we can do some stuff. And we've been in these games.

And they're not going to be favored. You don't want them when they're favored at home, right? You want them in this situation. Yeah. You kind of want them here. Or what you went through today with them getting three, three and a half somewhere. Perfect. Yeah.

I have the Packers favored by three over the Vikings, and I think it's a great spot for the Vikes. Congratulations. You're on the board. I said four, and it's two and a half. Again, two and a half. Green Bay, all they do is cash. I think they're, are they nine and one against the spread? Are they eight and two?

They couldn't have covered the Jordan Love game. Oh, they did. Yeah, they covered that. They covered the Jordan Love game. Even though he got sacked a hundred times. Right. Last watchable. I think it has to be included

because I think the Eagles are officially worth monitoring. Where the run game is all of a sudden, they have one. Smith is fantastic. And him versus Sertan today was awesome. And he just made a couple of crazy, crazy, crazy catches in traffic. Right. So with all that said, I still think they're not going to be favored. There's not,

there's not a most improved player, is there? There's a comeback player of the year. Like, NBA has most improved, but don't have a comeback. Yeah, don't have it for NFL.

NFL has comeback, but not most improved. Jalen Hurts is, is good in a lot of situations. A lot of situations you need him to be good in. He really,

he has better field awareness probably than 15 or 20 quarterbacks out there. I was in, I was out, and I'm back in. You know what really helped him? They had a couple garbage time games where he got to just basically play garbage time for like a quarter and a half and just move the ball

and get his feet wet. And it does seem like it helped him. It seems like he's a different guy. They have good receivers, too. I think Watkins dropped a TD. They even could add more points than they would have today. But Hurts was locked in. I thought he was going to lose the job at this point. Give me any team that's running the ball well

in late November or December, and I'm with you. I think the Saints are favored in this game, but I don't think it's going to be by as much as I would have said 12 hours ago. I got Saints by two in Philly. Oh, so who gets this? I said Philly because I'm such a big Philly fan. I don't know how as a Cowboys supporter. I said Philly by three.

It's Philly by one and a half. So I get it, right? Yeah. Yeah, you get it. Philly by one and a half. I think they're better than New Orleans. They're four and six. Saints are five and four. Well by one and a half. I think they're better than New Orleans. They're four and six. Saints are five and four.

Well, so wait a second. You're saying on a neutral field, this team is... No, no. Let's talk this out. So the Saints are in Tennessee. And Tennessee's favored by two and a half. Tennessee's eight and two. The Eagles, next week, it's in Philly.

They're favored by 1.5, and they're 3-6. How does that make sense? That's a fair point, and probably Camara could play. I don't get that at all. It's not bad. Don't get it at all. It's a good point. But you don't want to take the Saints, though, do you?

No. Simeon. I've been good with Simeon for a long time. Two barely watchables. Panthers-Washington. This is probably Cam starting in Carolina. Ron Rivera bowl, right? Ron Rivera.

The Panthers fans are going to talk themselves into Cam all week, and then he's going to start grounding passes to their wide-open receivers. And they'll be like, oh, this is... Listen, if they have the run-heavy attack with him and McCaffrey, and if he's throwing like 12 times in this game, that actually might be good. If you're going to actually have to rely on him,

good luck. Chasen looks like he might be out for the year. They were like... They did the whole thing where they feared the torn ACL, which usually means he tore his ACL. I think the Panthers are favored by three and a half. I mean, McCaffrey outgained the entire Arizona offense, right, today? Yeah, McCaffrey was really good today.

You get this. I said four, and it's two and a half only. Yeah, that's tough. I'm trying to create a quarterback controversy here with P.J. Walker getting them down. I wasn't paying full attention to that, with P.J. Walker getting them down. I wasn't paying full attention to that, but P.J. Walker played a lot. Didn't he? 22 for 29.

He would get them down the goal line, and then Cam celebrating taking his helmet off, telling people how he's back, right? That was terrible when he got the 15-yard penalty. The classic Cam. That play was the entire Cam experience. Really nice run. Touchdown. Then he took a settlement off.

Couldn't penalize this team. PJ should be like, screw you. I was the XFL MVP. Yeah. Bring it my way. Raiders-Bengals. I'm saying it, Sal. I think this might be a loser-leaves-down match. Well, this is what I was talking about. This game doesn't feel good. The loser of this game would... Vegas is 5-4. Cincy doesn't feel good. The loser of this game

would... Vegas is 5-4 since he's 5-4. And both teams have the arrow pointing down. It's in Vegas. Does the AFC... I know you said the NFC is going to have an 8-9 team. Did you say an 8-9 team at 7?

Not in the AFC. I think the NFC could. You're going to get a have an 8-9 team. Did you say an 8-9 team at 7? Not in the AFC. I think the NFC could. You're going to get a lot of 5-5s. Again, this is an example of what I was saying. AFC North playing the AFC West. It's going to happen all year for the next month. The problem is you have Indies 5-5, but they have some Tennessee-Houston games left.

Yeah. You know. Pittsburgh's 5-3-1. So they basically have to go 8-8-1, which is conceivable. Maybe Pittsburgh 8-8-1 is our 7th seed. That makes sense. I have

Vegas favored by 1.5 against Cincy. I gotta look at this. Did they move this? Vegas 1.5? You're gonna get it it's a pick I said two and a half they threw their hands up like you guys decide

that's a fun one Gruden's suing the NFL finally he's not letting it go he's like you get 650,000 emails you picked like four of mine what the hell I'll tell you

send the check this way yeah the poopfecta we got four You picked like four of mine. What the hell? I'll send the check this way. The poopfecta. We got four. We got Browns and Lions. Lions are kind of red hot. Do you think Dan Campbell, like one eye cried after the tie? Just one tear running down his cheek?

Not like full tears. Someone said a tie is like biting your sister's kneecap, according to Dan Campbell. So we'll do that on Twitter. I was off five points in this game. I have Browns by nine and a half. That's pretty close. I said 15.

Who the hell? You got to give two touchdowns to the Lions. They're that bad. If you have your starting quarterback, all right, I guess if it's Baker Mayfield. But don't you have to give two touchdowns to the Lions. They're that bad. If you have your starting quarterback, all right, I guess if it's Baker Mayfield. But don't you have to give two touchdowns to this team? Their only chance is to win on Thanksgiving. They have to lose this.

And then play the Bears. First game Thanksgiving. That'll be their win. It's fine. I think the Lions play hard. Yeah. Don't you think when you watch them, they don't they don't seem like an abomination but the guy that's

taking snaps can't break 170 yards passing and a must win but it's like they're handicapped yeah he's their handicap

but the whole team's playing hard they're all trying yeah I'm not saying fire the coach but yeah I think 10 is

I mean well how do you feel about our worst how do you feel about our worst record bet we're good We're good. We're good. Oh, you think the tie hurts us?

I got a little worried about it. I didn't even think about that. Cause it could, what if they got to one 15 and one doesn't that, that could potentially be better. Now we're not at least. So we had the dead heat rule, right? So if we tied with the Texans, we'd at least get half our money right now. We're not going to get that.

Cause the Texans are one and at least get half our money, right? Now we're not going to get that. Because the Texans are 1-8. Not a ton of hope left for them. That would be our competition. Yeah, that's the only one-win team. That's it. Yeah, the Lions because the Jags have two now, right? They're 2-1 since the thumb. 2-2 since the thumb. The only thing is there's no prize this year with the number one pick. Right. So whether you're one or two,

I'm not positive matters. Now, the other thing with the Texans, they're playing, they're at Tennessee this week, but then they have home against the Jets. They got an at Jacksonville.

Mm-hmm. And then at San Francisco week 16. Those are all winnable. Maybe even home against Seattle. They could scratch out a win. Yeah. I still like where we're sitting.

I'll take it. I'll take it with the Lions. So Browns, what was the final line for that? It was 10. All right. We got to tease that with something or Moneyline parlay that with something. All right.

Titans. I'm not putting the Browns in anything after what I watched today. Wow. Titans-Texans in Tennessee.s in anything after what I watched today. Wow. Titans, Texans in Tennessee. I was off three and a half points here. I just think the Texans have to be double digits against anyone who's not a bottom five team. So I have Titans by 10 and a half.

See, I went the other way. I'm like, I just think the Texans have to be two touchdowns against every team. I said 14. It's 10 and a half. You're right. You're now. That catch up? You're winning 6-5. How many more do we have? 2, 3, 4, 5

left. All right. You know, the problem with the Titans is they can't really run the ball. So even if they're up big late, you could kind of claw back potentially. Dolphins-Jets is a truly awful game. It is a home game for the Jets.

It feels very Vegas-ony to me. I have the Dolphins by four and a half at the Jets. I get this. I said two and a half. It's three. Okay. What happens? Is Wilson back? No. He's still out. Supposedly, Wilson's back next week.

Okay. I picked that blindly. I don't know. The Jets fans are pretty bummed out. There's this meme going around of a Jets Jersey and it's number 69 and it just, the name is rebuilding. And that's like the Jets Jersey you should buy if you're a Jets fan. It's just a constant rebuild over and over again.

Just another rebuild. That's nice. Team will raise money that way. Go towards the cap. Well, the good news for the Jets is the Pats have been taking their lunch for 20 years and then the Jets took Wilson 12 and the Pats got Mac Jones 15.

Jesus. That's a tough one. It's not fair. We both took rookie quarterbacks and they just took the wrong one. It's almost not fair what goes on here. You should have to give Mac Jones back. Put him back in the pool. Why?

He's perfect. Evil Mac Jones. That's great. He's already did some evil things. We didn't talk about it today because he's such a good guy. You watch the press conferences, but America's already turning against him and it's like this is how it goes, man. This is who you signed up for.

America turned against him when he approached the podium to accept the... Right? Like the walk. The walk became a meme. Remember the Mac Jones walk? Leave the guy alone.

He was sitting there. He thought he was going to be drafted two hours ago. Last one is 49ers Jaguars. Trevor Lawrence. Bate Manning was bad as a rookie, I guess it would be the Trevor Lawrence defense. Yeah.

He's got a coach that probably won't be there in a year. He lost receivers. It's a bad team. But I do think, I did think he was going to be a little more exciting. Yeah, sure. I was told over and over again that he was the best college quarterback

in the last 10 years. You'd think like every two or three games, he'd run one in from 25 yards and like spike it and get everybody excited, but it just kind of feels like he's going through the motions a lot of times. Yeah, I thought that would be, I guess I was expecting more wow plays from him. Right. But it's been a weird

year for quarterbacks. I mean, honestly, Dak's probably the best quarterback in the league right now. Oh, thank you. It's nice of you to say. No, if you're saying, like, what quarterback is just consistently playing the best, it has to be Dak.

Yeah. I think you're right. I wouldn't have expected that before the year. I didn't even know if he was going to be able to play. Come back later. And then you think, like,

Trevor Lawrence, clearly not the best rookie. Mack has been way better than him. No, and it's like, last year, we were spoiled, right? We had borrow.

We had Herbert. We had two who's still iffy. Right. But you, you would say, Oh wow. Herbert borrow. Those guys are going to be in the MVP discussion three years from now until

the end of their careers. I don't know. You'd say that about any of these guys, except me and Mack Jones. It's fine. If you want to throw them in there. For MVP or rookie of the year? No, I'm just saying out of the batch of five, we had five

quarterbacks this year. You're not going to say that about Trey Lance, right? Definitely not saying about Zach Wilson just yet. I don't know. I guess it's too early to analyze, but those are the only two you could actually pick on, right? Mac Jones. What happens if in a press conference on Tuesday,

somebody is like, hey, Bill, who is better in their first year as a starter, Tom Brady or Mac Jones? Like an obvious like baiting question that he would never answer. Couldn't answer. And Bill goes,

you know what? I'm going to answer this one. I just think Mac's way better than Tom was. Like he just goes all in. Goes for the Taylor Swift drive-by shooting on Tom Brady. I just think Mac is so much more advanced than Tom was.

Tom, we really had to hide. Couldn't do so much. And Mac, the whole playbook's open and he just went on this five-minute attack. It would be unbelievable. The great thing is, and as we're previewing San Francisco at Jacksonville, is Kyleanahan never had to answer that question right like were you gonna pick mac jones why what went wrong you were

gonna pick mac jones now he's just never gonna he's gonna lie anyway by the way kyle shanahan i think you were in the you were you in the ground uh level of this uh the kyle the winning percentage thing yeah a lot of people are doing it everybody like he really like everybody was all over him. Yeah. Giving him a chance. And who knows what happens tomorrow night. But they made a line for this.

49ers minus four. Oh, man. Against the Jaguars is my pick. I said three and a half, and it's six. You get that. One, two, three, four, five, six. Wait, we're tied? We're tied, right?

Yes. All right. Sunday night. No, one more. One more? What am I missing? Arizona-Seattle? Did we do that?

All right, so Seahawks-Cardinals. Yeah, Seahawks are home. Not a Sunday night game. It's a tough one. You don't know who's starting. I know this. If the Seahawks lose, I think they're a cross-off. I agree. Because they're not

good enough to even go 6-1 down the stretch. I agree. That would be 3-7. I have Seahawks favored by one over the Cardinals. Exactly. I'm glad we split it because it's a screwy game. Arizona by two is the number. Okay.

I don't know what matters anymore. 12th man. I don't know. Sunday night, Chargers-Steelers. How many Steelers fans do we have at this game? Maybe 3% Chargers fans. This is the most traveled fan base. Right?

I actually might, I might leave LA. All these Pittsburgh people coming in. I'm going to get out of here. I'm going to take over the whole city. I really like the Pittsburgh people,

except for Damoshek. I think it's going to be about as, like, we're going to rank most fans at a chargers game. I think the Cowboys would be first, right? Uh,

yeah. Yeah. I think the Cowboys have the most fans here. Oh, here. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

I, I, this doesn't a good game. Stayers will be second. I was at, I was at the Steelers Cowboys Superbowl in 95 and Glendale, and it was 70-30 Steelers. Now, the Cowboys fans may have just run out of money by then

because they had been going to the Super Bowl like three of the last five years. That's what happened at the Pats Eagles Super Bowl. Same thing. There were no Pats fans. It was all Eagles fans. They were all fucking pissed by the second quarter. But I have friends from other cities that like,

so we know like Chargers. I'm not going to list names, but we know some people that work from the Chargers and they're like, hey, can I get tickets? I'm a Steelers fan. I'm a Rams fan. Not a Rams fan. I'm a Vikings fan. All these teams that play the Chargers and they're like, my boss doesn't want me to give them out to, you know, fans. And they're like, well, what are you talking about? I'm buddies with you. It's like, yeah, this isn't going to fix itself. The Chargers are going to have to step up. You can't just say, yeah, in 10 years, this will right itself. It's like, no. Teams are going to travel, and this is going to be a disgraceful representation. They need to move to another city. Do you think already? I just think it's never going to happen. In the same way, the

Clippers have a way better chance for it to happen. But it's not going to happen for them either. What do you do if you're a player? You can't yell at the fans that showed up because they showed up. The Chargers fans, right? Phillip Rivers, I could see maybe saying something if he was still around. But you can't say,

hey, come to our freaking games. Where are you people? Stop selling our tickets. Well, I mean, all the San Diego people kind of turned on the team. They ditched him. I guess so. I have chargers by... We get Ben next week, right? I just want to make sure. I think we do.

I have chargers by two and a half against the Steelers. We tie. I said four and a half. It's three and a half. Son of a bitch. You got me here Because I went way low I already give it up Bucks Giants I was off on this

It's in Tampa I'm going to just guess Bucks ten and a half You get it you win the week I said nine and a half it's twelve Okay so who screws us Tennessee Houston Tampa Giants Cleveland Detroit

I know you're not taking Cleveland but they're not losing that game I might not gamble next week I don't want to say I just have no feel for I have no feel for any of this stuff it just seems like it's like a snow globe season. I think the COVID combined with the 17-week season,

I think it's completely screwed up the rhythm of everything. There's no rhythm in any of this anymore. What do you mean? Someone else said this to me about the 17-week. We haven't even got there yet. When it's week 18, we can point it out. It just feels mentally longer. I'm even thinking of this with fantasy.

Yeah. It just feels like with 14 weeks of fantasy instead of 13. It just feels like a lot. When it's week 18, we can just mentally, it feels longer. I'm even thinking of this with fantasy. Yeah. It just feels like with 14 weeks of fantasy instead of 13, it just feels like a lot. I think the COVID is a real thing. Unfortunately, I really do. I think that the vaccinations, you know, the effectiveness is dwindling at a bad time when we're coming up in the winter.

Son of a bitch. We're so close. Just get depressed. Don't get it, Dak. I mean, honestly, Aaron Rodgers, he has the best deal. I don't think he's tested now for another 60 days or something. Is that true? I think so. I'm pretty sure. He's

home free. All right. You're up 5-4. You know what, though? There are no losers today because we're headed toward a Pat's Buck Super Bowl. Fandle's going to try to boost this for us. Pat's Buck, though? There are no losers today because we're headed toward a Pats-Bucks Super Bowl. FanDuel is going to try to boost this for us. Pats-Bucks?

No, no, no. Pats-Cowboys. I mean, Pats-Cowboys. My bad. We're headed for a Pats-Cowboys Super Bowl. There are no losers on this podcast. All right. And right now,

I bet $100 to win $7,800 on FanDuel, but we're going to get them to boost that. I like it. They should boost that to, what, 90 to 1? Yeah, at least 90. Yeah, 90 to 1. Do it for us. Come on, FanDuel. It's the

Bill and Sal Super Bowl. In LA, they're coming to us, our two teams. This could actually happen. Also, it's not going to happen. You're going to make money off of it, so just boost it. Alright, it's time for Parent Corner. All right. It, uh, it's time for parent corner. Today's parent corner is brought to you by CarMax from your order at the coffee shop to the apps in your home screen.

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All right. Well, I got a real quick, my oldest son playing varsity football. I'm jealous of you because you have a lot to look forward to here with this. They're in the second, they're in the third round of the playoffs. They're in the semifinals. So in Southern California, they do it a crazy way. There's like 192, um, playoff teams. There's like 600 schools.

So let's say a third of them make the playoffs and then they put them in a pool, um, in divisions and like 12 divisions and we're in division 7 16 teams and it's down to the final four and it's very freaking exciting and uh you know we're playing a like a catholic school from downey like an hour away that averages like 54 points a week but we're not supposed to be winning any of these games and my son's getting sacks and tackles and it's the best it's the best in the world anyway i'll let that go just good luck to miracles this week but my youngest one my seven-year-old says to me this morning he says dad why is the number 69 so funny and i was like oh jesus christ oh my god here we go seven years old i'm like what what are you talking about i have to play

dumb now i'm like what why would you even say that he He's like, no, because there's this group on YouTube. I'm like, fucking course there's a group on YouTube. I was like, then the, you know, they're talking about levels and 69 and it's, um,

and, uh, it's Mr. Beast. I got Mr. Beast. He's like, yeah.

And it's funny. And he's like, I said, well, don't worry about it. I don't know. It's probably just a private joke. Who knows what they're laughing at?

He's like, yeah. Cause I asked Siri too. And, uh, I was like, Oh, what did Siri say about this? And he's like yeah because i asked siri too and uh i was like oh what did siri say about this he's like i don't know it was confusing so then i asked siri not around him um and by the way this mr beast is like he counts to like 10 000 you know and like i'm

like maybe 69 was one of the funny numbers but i asked siri and siri, here's what I found out about why the number 69 is funny. When two people are in love and they're in a rush that no serious that the face of a sign for Pisces in astrology is 69 as a very suggestive appearance. No wonder it's a cross gender symbol for a sign of lovers affection to take on mutual oral sex. I was like, all right, there's no way my kid understands that. But what is my answer from age 7 to 13 on why the number 69 is funny? Well, neither of your other sons asked you this question. No, they learned on the street like they should have. On the street?

Yeah. I don't want to answer that question. It's a ridiculous question. I think you should just you're just going to have to lie. You're going to have to make up a story about

there was this TV show from way back when and the character was a goofball and he wore number 69 and that's why it's funny. All right, I guess so. Then he'll know

six years from now he'll know you're a liar. That's fine. I'll take that. I definitely don't want. Six years from now, he'll know you're a liar. That's fine. I'll take that. I definitely don't want a seven-year-old going around telling everybody about his friends. Not that I would break it to him, but I don't want him finding out a weird way either. Eventually these kids just look shit up when they find out. I think it's so easy to find stuff out now compared to what we had.

Right. We actually had to get answers from human beings. Yeah. Right. It gets slapped in the mouth. Now it's in a Taylor Swift song. now compared to what we had. We actually had to get answers from human beings. Yeah, right. It gets slapped in the mouth. Now it's in a Taylor Swift song. Should I write about that? I know it all too well.

Parent Corner. There's like six I wish I could tell you. I'm not going to. Do all 69. Parent Corner gets There's like six I wish I could tell you. I'm not going to. No, I'm not going to do them. It's really... Do all 69. Parent Corner gets really tough.

I'll say this because I think this is a big picture where people could relate to. So my son has to go to high school next year. He's got to switch schools. He's looking at a couple of schools, one of which is an all-boys school. And back in our day, you go to an all-boys school and the question's always like,

how are you going to be around the opposite sex? Like, how are you going to see people? They're going to be dances. Like, how do you interact? I went to an all boys high school, but we had a sister school that we shared classes with. Like we interacted with them, even though it was boys, girls, it really wasn't. We were interspersed. There's other ones where it's like, you're a boys school and there's's the girls' school. You might see just for three dances a year. So my instinct was probably not a great fit for him, the boys' school. My son likes to be around the ladies. Come to find out, could it matter less in this day and age? Because in the social media era, they know everyone from every school. And he knows, and we were talking about

it, and he's got friends in like eight schools in LA and you meet people and you're meeting people constantly. And it doesn't even matter anymore, whether it's all boys, all girls, co-ed, because you're just going to have people in your life from whatever school. Yeah, they're in your pocket. All your friends are in your pocket on a phone. Yeah. And he made all these friends from one school recently. I'm like, how'd you meet them?

He's like, at the mall. Now I have these five new friends. So it just made me think how insanely different it is from when we were in high school and how heard like it was. You're in your high school and it's just the people you're with. And then you go home and you see your parents and you watch TV and you read some books and that's all the interaction. Now it's like you have this whole wide open world, not just with the universe, but even

with people your own age where it's like, does it really even matter where you go to high school? From a friend's standpoint, you make friends anywhere. I think it's bizarre. It doesn't matter. In the 50s, what's the movie? School Ties? I love the movie School Ties. Like you said, the one big dance and that's where you had to meet somebody.

It's like a huge night. Couldn't dance close to anybody. Yeah, right. My daughter and your son who live almost an hour apart. Right. But if she was in Manhattan Beach, she could just DM Archie and be like, hey, let's go get coffee. And all of a sudden they're getting coffee together.

And it's like, there's no way. Never happened. I'm really, my big picture point is I'm really jealous of, in a lot of ways, like the stuff they always talk about technology, how great this is, how terrible it is for our kids, and oh my God, it's so bad, and life is so simpler. There's some stuff where it's definitely not more terrible for our kids, like 2021. There's some real advantages. I think one of them is just your friend ceiling is just so different. Right.

Assuming you're a social person. Yeah, exactly. You know, the other way is like you just in your room and you're on line all day and you never want to meet anybody or all your friends are online, I don't know. That's a different beast. But yeah, so is he up for going to an all boys or you've not gotten this far?

Yeah, it's one of the candidates, but I don't think it really matters ultimately because it's not like, you know, it doesn't have kind of the stigma that I feel like it used to where it's like, oh, all boys, just around boys. Right.

We're the girls. No, the kids have it great. Don't kid yourself. Kids are great. I'm really jealous of the kids. They get all this music and movies and TV shows at their disposal and they can interact and movies and TV shows at their disposal.

And they can interact on Snapchat and now TikTok. They can just watch people do dumb dances. They can analyze 10-minute Taylor Swift songs. Unlimited music. We had Huey Lewis and the Karate Kid. Oh, I can't imagine eating anything more than that. Yeah, and they got food. They could order food in eight seconds off their phone.

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Learn more at CarMax.com. CarMax, car buying reimagined. Sal, what else do we have to add? Everything the Warriors finally lost, but I still think they win the West. That was a good, that was a good. You didn't, oh, you can't bet MVP. But I'm proud of myself for getting in on that. Who'd you do, Curry?

10-1. Now he's plus 270. I love it. It'll change five times by the end of the year, but I love it for now. Can I tell you who I think might actually win the MVP?

Who? I think Curry's a great bet. Giannis looks unbelievable this season. And his team... Aren't they losing some games they should win? They lost tonight, didn't they? No, it's a great bet. Giannis looks unbelievable this season. And his team... Aren't they losing some games they should win? They lost tonight, didn't they? No, it's a very explainable slow start, though.

They've never had all their guys. They're going to go on a run where they win 19 of 20. But Giannis... I just think he's... Giannis and Durant are the guys that have really jumped out this year just from being day-to-day incredible. Durant, the guys that have really jumped out this year just from being just day-to-day incredible. Durant, all these rules, everybody complaining about the rules

and, oh my God, it's not the... And Durant's just like, whatever. I'll use whatever rules you want. I'm still getting 35. Plus 850 is a nice number this time of year for him. For Durant or Giannis? No, for Giannis. Yeah, I think that's...

I think he's the best player in the league. Now, Curry, if it becomes a narrative award and a lot of it is about, you know, they run away with one seed, he's such a special player. It's like, ah, you know who's underrated? Steph Curry. He's actually an underrated super-duper

star and the culture that he sets in and the chemistry of this team, the unselfishness, it all stems from him. He's actually an underrated super duper star and the culture that he sets in and the chemistry of this team, the unselfishness that all stems from him is fantastic. The narrative could win. But with Giannis, like if it's just like who's the best player, I think he has the best. You know, it's interesting. You said like NFL MVP. They should go to they should ask Vegas. All right.

Who's favored? Who's favored? That's who should kind of get it. They're they're on top of or FanDuel. They're on top of who's getting it. I almost feel like NBA, they should do a study on this. Who gets the most highlights? Like, wouldn't you say like Giannis got 14 seconds per sports center.

Right. Curry got 26 seconds. Wouldn't you love to see that? I mean, in our heads, we probably know what it is, but wouldn't you love to see like that? I wonder what social too. I'd love to our heads we probably know what it is, but wouldn't you love to see like that right now? I wonder what social, too. I'd love to know who has the most social awareness. Positive.

Like, well, Melo barely gets anything negative said about it. I know, and he doesn't guard anybody. He plays zero defense, but nobody cares. That's the one negative thing someone's finally said. Well, and then you have you just start crossing off MVP candidates, and then you have, and like MB,

you just start crossing off MVP candidates, right? Harden cross off and bead. He'll probably play 60 games like he always does. Right. Um, you going down the line, Giannis is just,

he's just unbelievable. Yeah. I was looking for the, I actually think he's better than he's ever been. LeBron's out. Paul George is out. Butler's probably out. Right. So Paul George isn't out. I don't think, I think he has those range guys. I actually think he's better than he's ever been. LeBron's out. Paul George is out. Butler's probably out, right? So, Paul George isn't out, I don't think.

I think he has to be included. Yeah, I think so. Because he's done the most with less. Like, he's kept them. I talked about it on my pod on Thursday. Oh, yeah. Laying out like. No, just laying out like.

His team's not very good. And he's kind of single-handedly kept them as a top five. But some of the guys who are typically in the race are now like Harden, Davis, Lillard, Trey Young, Tatum, Trey Young. Yeah. They're kind of out on it. Jokic is the other one that I think has to be taken seriously, but that team just doesn't seem like without Murray. I think the supporting cast is just so weak.

Luka has the same thing, but Luka also didn't show up for the season in shape. I haven't loved what I've seen from him. Listen, do yourself a favor. Start watching college now and start watching Gonzaga. They're damn good. They won yesterday. So you like Chet?

I love Chet Holmgren. That's my guy. He hasn't moved. He's 20-1, but he's so much fun to watch. His numbers are ridiculous. He's 20-1 for the wooden? 20-1 for the wooden. Now, Drew Timmy had 37 points last night. He looks like he's unstoppable for Gonzaga, but he's plus 450. But Chet's a fun bet. Well, you know my rule. I don't watch college until football's over. Why? Yeah. I can only do two sports.

You could follow, Kyle. You can figure it out. Well, I do want to see Paolo because Jonathan Sharks was on this podcast Thursday and was saying how he's basically like a 6'10.5 Carmelo with his game. I'm like,

what if... That sounds amazing. I need to watch this person. And they stole him from Kentucky too, which made that loss even harder to take. Wow, you're really

into the college hoops this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got to watch it all, man. You got to watch it all. You used to call me the NBA hole. Now you have thoughts on Chet Holmgren. I'm the NCAA hole. Yeah.

You know what? I free up 30, 40 hours not giving a shit about Taylor Swift, and here I am. I get to watch some basketball games. Well, the other thing, we're not going to have a baseball season. They're just going to have this lockout for six months, so we might as well have college basketball. Yeah yeah i don't even want to think about that at least the lindor contract won't kick in right we still have to pay bernia if during a lockout yeah we do yeah uh happy belated birthday to our cousin yeah and uh and tell me

we get a plug uh what do we have extra.com. All your sports gambling needs are there. Powered by FanDuel. Go to the Extra Points podcast. We're going to give Monday night winners. Hey, Harry picked Dolphins to score first touchdown Thursday night. 39 to 1, but didn't bet it. Dolphins D? Dolphins D.

You should probably get more if the touchdown doesn't come to the third quarter. But didn't bet it. Gave it out. Loved it. didn't bet it. Gave it out. Loved it. Didn't bet it. So that's that. Would you describe Fox Bet Live? All that stuff.

Oh, you have another streak going. I got another streak. I'm going to try to lose 11 in a row. I think I can get there. You should pay me to not bet your Patriots because that's what it's looking like. No, take the Pets. I'm not scared of your Chris. Is Harry up or down this season?

Up or down? He's down every season. What do you mean? I thought he was on social. He was having kind of a hot streak there for a little bit. They pick one game a day, and he was 15 and 75 over the summer. That's impossible. Come on.

15 and 75? 15 and 75. It was a miracle. I feel like when he shines the most is when tennis, weird tennis and golf tournaments are happening at the same time, which is a time we're about to hit right now, right?

That's true. This is when we have weird golf tournaments, weird locations, and weird tennis tournaments on weird surfaces. He dominates Korean soccer. I'm not going to get in his way there. That's for sure. I don't blame you.

All right, cuz. As always, good job on you. Good job on you, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to our producer, Kyle Creighton. Don't forget me and the Prestige TV pod talking Curb Your Enthusiasm with House. Don't forget about Playing English with Derek Thompson launching this week. Don't forget about every single

album, which is already up. Nathan and Nora breaking down Red, Taylor's version, and then a new rewatch of what's coming on Monday night. It will Smith. I will not tell you which one. See you on this feed on Tuesday. I want to see them on the wayside I don't have a few years with them On the wayside