The Bill Simmons Podcast - KD Gets Hurt and the Warriors Dig Deep in an Unforgettable Game 5 … So Now What? With Ryen Russillo | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: June 11, 2019

HBO and The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to recap a roller coaster of a Game 5, KD’s injury, Kawhi’s impressive play, a depleted Warriors bench, a dangerous Raptors squad, Game 6 implications, how KD’s injury may affect free agency, Gym Corner, the Stanley Cup final, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Pearl Jam come on man you can feel the excitement it is like 8 45 west coast time an incredible roller coaster ride of the game i'm gonna i'm hold the Durant thing for a second. That's a whole segment. Let's just start with the Raptors almost won the title. They were up six with less than three minutes left. More of a Warriors win or more of a Raptors choke? Where are you going?

55-45 Warriors win? 45 Raptors choke job? We do that too much. So can you answer that? No, I thought it was a Warriors win. I thought they responded with three straight threes from the greatest shooting backcourt of all time with their backs to the wall, down six, crowd going nuts, momentum, KDD out the whole thing and it just seemed like Kawhi had broken them and then boom

they come back with some threes and Toronto was like oh shit we actually have to win this game they're doing the Apollo Creed at the end of Rocky putting the hand on the rope

congratulating themselves turning around Rocky's getting up and it looked like they just couldn't get their shit together they did not make one play in the final three minutes

to win that game. And had Cousins as the double agent with a goaltending on one basket, a goaltending in the other basket, and the first ever moving screen in a gigantic game with under 20 seconds left that I've ever seen in my entire life. I cannot believe they call that moving screen on Cousins.

I mean, you know, and you can sit here and get into the hole. They just don't call it. They don't call it. And like for the announcers to be like, oh yeah, he moved. You're like, well, yeah, but that's never, ever called.

Look at what Gasol is doing to Draymond Green in the upper right corner when Lowry clanks that one to the backboard. He's holding it from behind. Not only is it a moving screen, when Draymond gets to the corner, he pulls on Draymond and pulls him back. And I'm not complaining about that.

I just can't believe they made that call on Cousins. The most remarkable thing of all the things that happened in this game, and I'm white hot on fire right now. We had to open all the doors in the guest house. I didn't know. It's just such a weird. There's so many things that just happened, okay? But when Kawhi went on that 12-point execution,

where it's like, this is over. This is why people compare me to Jordan, which again, it's not the resume. It's the ability to just do it and do it in such an efficient way. Some of the Kawhi numbers from this final series and these playoff runs and his winning percentage of all time

in the playoffs better than everybody else. Like he is doing special things that make him arguably the best player in the world. And all those things are accurate. Like none of this is hyperbole. The 12 point run was his reserve. The place in the Pantheon for me right now, please. Absolutely.

Table for one. Like we're sitting there and you're going, this is over. The Raptors are closing this thing out. We have a bunch of different angles, but this thing is over. He is doing this right in front of us. And then, and now there's some debate, but it's 103-97, three minutes to go in the game, and the Raptors call a timeout. The Raptors call a timeout.

Oh, that was weird. I forgot about that. It was inexplicable, and I'm usually, like, I think things happen, and then depending on the results, we play the results, we go, oh, bad timeout, good timeout, shouldn't have done this.

Great play, bad sub, good sub. There's no, there's nothing there. There's no zag where you could go, oh, I get it. That place is ready to explode for a crowd that was dead most of the second half. You know, like, hey guys,

you know you're about to win a title. Well, because they're getting roasted online. Well, actually, the world turned against Toronto tonight. That's a different topic that we'll get to. That time out, I don't get it. It doesn't make any sense

because the Warriors, the whole thing for the Warriors, as you point out, trying to figure out how to keep Cousins on the floor because of his rebounding. Yeah, and screenings. It was basically a five-minute stretch where they got him into switches,

and Jackson is killing the Warriors for these switches. Look, they're going to switch. Looney now is out for the series. They couldn't play Bogut. Jordan Bell came in for a stretch for cousins he lost abaca on a huge offensive rebound he just by not paying attention so they went back to cousins and somehow somehow and this is not the toughest team in sports mentally are the golden state warriors yeah and that's i know the duran thing is the big story

and it's going to dominate tomorrow it cannot cannot be lost. I'm too hyped. This is a great, great, great true champion that back to the wall was like, fuck it, we're not going down yet. So it's 103-97. It's over at 103-97. Iggy misses a little pull-up. They're down four.

Kawhi comes down, makes a pull-up. As you said, he'd scored 12 straight. Curry comes down, misses a three with 315 left. Toronto rebound. Toronto comes down makes a pull up as you said he'd scored 12 straight Curry comes down misses a three with 315 left Toronto rebound Toronto comes down inexplicable timeout

now my guess is somebody on Toronto must have motioned to the bench or he must have thought Kawhi was tired

or I don't even know by the time this comes out you know just to cover our basis here there were some people saying Lowry actually went to call it oh really so I don't know.

I don't know. We don't have it in front of somebody. Shouldn't have called it. Cause they had all the momentum comes back in Kauai air balls, the 11 footer clay makes a big balls clay three and clays. Uh, I, we just never seen a shooting guard quite like him.

We grew up at the Reggie Miller, you know, and Reggie Miller, basically he was in one finals in 2000. They lost in six games. Clay has done this on the biggest stages back to the wall against the best teams over and over again this entire decade. So he makes the three. Lowry missed the three. Cousins has that offensive goaltending and we're like, shit so the Warriors are still down three that was close but it was the call so it was going to stand two minutes left and it looked like one of those things

they lucked out it was right after the two minute warning Toronto then has the 24 second turnover which is a disaster actually as you're doing this right now

how many disasters plays both ways well that's what I was saying like this is kind of a choke by Toronto Curry makes it three why is Curry open for a three

there's two guys on the floor that can make a shot. And it goes, Klay three, Curry three, Klay three, and now all of a sudden they're up three with 57 seconds left.

Gasol misses a layup. Then Draymond has the terrible backcourt turnover when they couldn't get the ball over. But that still was kind of on Steph. And as much as I love Steph, Yeah, he was slapping this game.

Like, Steph has way too many of these freaking moments. I call them the smartest dumb team I've ever seen. They have some of these absolutely ridiculous, careless moments in the biggest spots, whether it's the behind the back pass in 16 in game 7, whether it's, look, when they won game 2,

Steph kind of traveled and then almost threw the ball away when he passed it to Livingston. Steph, you know, those are the times where being smaller than the other guys hurt Steph because you can just run dudes at him and he panics a little bit so even though Draymond went back which is inexplicable you can't they got the rebound it looks like he thought he got fouled I thought he got fouled then on the replay I really don't think he got fouled I think Draymond just kind of got his foot caught up in the line but that Curry's not the greatest ball handler either i mean he's a guard i don't feel like he's oh i think i'm saying like a handle i'm saying like when bringing the ball up with pressure i think

he's sloppier than it's like tiny archibald 40 years ago you know what i mean that's fair but that that possession of the backcourt started screwed up off of the defensive rebound and had a timeout left didn't use it didn't use Didn't use it. And to have a backcourt there and then a moving screen. So then Toronto goes two for one. Lowry gets Cousins on him. Cousins gets torched on that. And then on the other end, Cousins sets the moving screen. Cousins

is a mole for Toronto the last three minutes of this game. And Toronto gets the ball back. Was that the Mark Cuban show? It might have been. Toronto gets the ball back. Was that the Mark Cuban show? It might have been. The mole. Toronto gets the ball back. 15 seconds left. No timeout.

They end up with Lowry in the corner with Marc Gasol holding Draymond from behind like it's the Eli Manning helmet catch play where all the defensive linemen on the pass are just getting held. And Lowry's still... I couldn't tell if Draymond looked like he might have touched it

or he just hit the side of the backboard with it. Speed rushed it. I blacked out. I honestly blacked out for about 30 seconds. Would you have called timeout there? For the Raptors? Yeah. Well, at that point, I think the possession started with like 13.

But you're just watching. You're going, wait a minute. Golden State just did all these things, and now they're going to lose again? I was convinced it was going to be because they were small in that spot that it was going to end up being an offensive rebound, Kawhi tip back, MVP, all-timer, put him in the Hall of Fame. It's already going to be because they were small in that spot that it was going to end up being an offensive rebound kawaii tip back mvp you know all-timer put him in the hall of fame he's already gonna happen anyway so their last two possessions are backcourt violation moving screen on cousins and

they win the game anyway on the road that is one of the weirdest that game will be on tv for the next 50 years we'll be seeing on nba tv it'll be remembered as the KD got hurt game, but it should also be remembered as the Raptors coming about as close as you can come to winning the title. I still feel like the Spurs in Miami 2013 is the closest we'll ever see. Up six

at home. And the other team's best player really hurt his leg and looks just wiped out. And can't find five guys to play. It's like, oh, we might go offense-defense with Cook and Iguodala. I mean, it was like they're grasping for straws. Guys were like, hey, Jarebko, don't get loose. Jarebko's looking at Steve Kerr for the signal.

But Bogut played two minutes. McKinney, who they've gone to, they've even, like, I was, okay, and I know there's a bunch of other things we're going to cover here, but I was at Oracle for game four. Yeah. And McKinney actually got hooked up with Kawhi defensively, and now he's at the point where he's abandoned.

So, you know, there's the rest of the series to talk about. But I really think at this point, we have to do the start and what this felt like, right? I know. No, let's do the game, and we'll do Durant's second segment.

In the Bs? Yeah, because... I shouldn't do that. I shouldn't produce your podcast. No, no, no. I want to get to Durant. I just feel like we got to appreciate

the craziness of that game first, including Cousins, who's benched, right? Benched in this game. They show him about two minutes before Durant's hurt on the bench? Benched in this game. He is, they show him about two minutes before Durant's hurt on the bench with that look on his face, like, I'm going to fucking kill my agent.

He told me this was a good idea. I'm going to get a DNP in a must-win game in Toronto and I might not play the rest of the series. This sucks. Advice to Cousins this offseason, just go find a team that stinks and put up huge numbers. That's how you're going to recapture your money.

Okay. Not, not a ring getting benched and then them having to go to you. And then he came in bill. He has seven points in like, you know, nine points. He scored nine straight points. He went nuts. So he finished, he played 20 minutes, 14.6 rebounds. He had a black and a steel.

He had two goaltendings and a movie and what almost was the most famous moving screen of all time i'm trying to believe i still can't believe they called like that makes me think i'm not a fixed guy i'm not as much of a conspiracy i'm not conspiracy bill i'm anti-conspiracy ride don't worry you know like i walked out of jfb pro conspiracy bill but just i just want to present it that's the kind of shit where you go how are you a ref looking to call a moving screen in that spot that's weird it's never been called i know there was a Celtics playoff game once where it was i think there was one called on garnett and it was the same kind of reaction to be like on an inbound now yeah

it's like there's like that's the reaction like? At this point in the game? You can call those anytime you want. The last minute, it's kind of understood it's a little bit of a free-for-all unless you're going to jump over somebody's back on a rebound or stuff like that. I remember... So go ahead. Conspiracy bill. Do you want me to bring him in? You look dangerous right now.

I mean, maybe the league not that interested in a game six with the KD thing and the storyline of the two days. So extra revenue and all the payback. No, I don't know. Yeah, it's actually no. I just thought that call was inexplicable. The worst call, which we haven't talked about yet. Five minutes left.

Raptors threatening to come back. Kawhi gets the ball on the break. The most obvious travel call of the entire playoffs. And they don't call it. And everybody stops because it's such a travel. Dunk. Time out. Toronto's down two all of a sudden.

Five minutes left. That's when I started feeling, oh, they're not going to come back from that. I had 10 moments of this game where I'm like, ah, they're not going to come back from that. And they came back each time. Heart of a champ. Incredible. One of the great wins. Half a ring?

That's my LeBron. Like, I think he should get half a ring for 07. Well, you know, you go through the course of history. Like, let's say they end up winning the title who the Warriors let's say they win the title now they come back yeah they win game six not sure I'm ready to go there yet but I like this I like where you're going

it's one of the legendary back to the walls pull a series out of our ass wins we've seen with the Ray Allen shot being a 10 out of 10 that was like a 9.5 KD goes down not only goes down out of our ass wins we've seen. With the Ray Allen shot being a 10 out of 10, that was like a nine and a half. KD goes down. Not only goes down,

but looks like he blew out his Achilles. Grabs his leg, grabs the bottom of his foot. The stars go back in the locker room with him. They know it's bad. They got no guns, no bullets in the holster left other than Clay and Steph basically have to make 12 to 14 threes between them

and they still win. It's pretty great. Basketball. Shout out to basketball. Yeah, shout out. You were crestfallen though. I was in a real funk. So can we go to the beginning of the game?

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. I think that's kind of what we're doing. Hold on, we'll take a quick break Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. I think that's kind of what we're doing. Hold on. We'll take a quick break and then we'll do it. Quick break to talk about

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is the best basketball of a pretty crummy series let's be honest not a great series so far I've been entertained by it though I've been entertained like I know it's not

the Kawhi stuff is awesome to watch Toronto and just to see it all work and have them be on this role and part of this is you know again seeing it in person where you go, when they play, no matter who they play, everybody can get a bucket in a different way. Kawhi in person, he's a different kind of special elite athlete. It's not the high flying, Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomas stuff that I used to love.

It's the, I can dribble really hard to a spot and get up before you can even adjust to what I'm doing. I can use my shoulders. Right, I can use my shoulders. I can ward you off a little bit. It's kind of like not a stiff arm to your face, but it's like a stiff arm to your waist. And I don't know what the hell you're supposed to do with Kawhi when he does that. The only thing you really do is tell yourself to stay on his feet on that first up fake whenever he's in the paint because he does it every time, but everybody still goes for it.

So you're helpless against him. But Ibaca around the rim has been great because soul was insane tonight i don't love lowry he was bad tonight but he can make shots van vliet has made three after three norman powell can drive to the hoop siakam can create danny green had a crazy game like there's all of these guys at any point when toronto has five guys out there, all five guys have to be respected. It's the 2014 Spurs blueprint. Everybody's a threat. It's very hard to find seven to eight guys to do that in basketball with a 30-team league. Imagine being a GM.

Just to find seven playmakers is just fucking hard. Yeah, imagine being a GM and being like, we want to have our first seven, eight guys all be able to make a shot. All have to be guarded. Create a shot. Yeah, good luck. And it happened. And this is why this team has been able to make a shot. All have to be guarded. Create a shot. Yeah. Good luck. And it happened.

And this is why this team has been able to do what they're doing. You mentioned the Kawhi thing, though, about how strong he is. Yeah. It reminds me of when I play basketball right out there with my kids. No, and you can do the thing when you're playing smaller kids where they can try to steal the ball and you can just hold them off with your arm and they just bounce off your arm because they're half your size. He's doing that in the NBA with guys who are his size where they're barreling into him and he just puts his arm out and it's like this fucking force field around his body. I've never seen anything like

it. And people have talked, Zach did a good job of talking about this the other day about- Efron? Zach Lowe. Oh, Lowe. Lowe Post. Got it. People just bounce off Kawhi and they're always the one

that goes down and it's never Kawhi who's down. It's always the other guys rolling around and Kawhi's just kind of standing looking at him. He had a play in game,

I think it's two, where he went to the hoop against Bogut and Draymond. It was an and one where he like flicked it up and it sat on the front of the rim and then went in. And both Bogut and Draymond ended up on the floor. And Kawhi like went to go to the free throw line and then turned and looked. And where every other player would have looked at them to kind of be like, you ain't shit.

Kawhi had actual astonishment. Like, oh, we all collided and you guys are on the ground. Like, oh, yeah. Oh, whoa. That was cool, guys. It was almost like he was ready to apologize. Like,ided and you guys are on the ground like oh yeah oh whoa that was cool guys it was almost like he was ready to apologize like oh you guys are down there so all of this has been um been awesome at the beginning of it but the beginning of this game the kd part of it steph doesn't miss clay doesn't miss kd hits threes three threes in a row he

doesn't miss he's actually moving off the ball and you're starting to just you're allowing yourself to think wait a minute, like what can happen in this series now? Well, let's talk about I think that was the first really well played quarter of the entire series. 34 to 28 Golden State. They shoot 11 for 19, 7 for 10 from 3. Toronto's

56.3%. They weren't as good from 3 but it was just a really entertaining, well-played. And the Durant variable and him guarding Kawhi. And we go into it and we're thinking, all right, Durant's going to space the floor. They'll switch on D, so we won't really have to guard anybody.

They're not going to push him too much. Made a couple threes. I was like, oh, okay. They made everything. They made everything. And you're going like oh okay they made everything they made everything and you're going how are they not blowing out toronto they weren't isoing him or doing any kd stuff and when he got hurt it was the first time they took the teetering car that was on the highway that's going to 80 and it's like hey what happens if you try to go 100 of this thing i don't know try it

and he gets hurt i think if they had stuck to the Harrison Barnes 2016 philosophy of just use KD to space the floor and set some picks. Don't push him. I don't know. He clearly wasn't healthy. He was 75%?

80%? Last week when we did this, I said, I've heard that he's going to be back for game five. So That's what they were hoping. Right. So that's what ends up happening. He plays like five and a half minutes

they take him out like alright that's smart. They brought him back almost two and a half three minutes later. They brought him back with three minutes left and then kept him in. And they said no time limit

like why not a time limit? That was weird. So do you actually think it was avoidable though? Because I don't believe that stuff. Like if he was going to get hurt I don't know if there was a way to baby hit baby him through 20 minutes and first six minutes and then back six couldn't they have been more cautious with them in the first half though

at least feel him out get get some rhythm don't ask too much for him don't have things where he's like trying to take a back off the dribble shit like that i was surprised they unleashed yeah but that's not fair man that's not because when you're a basketball player especially when you're that good you you don't go like oh let me just make sure i just don't attack anybody that just wasn't gonna happen two days ago two days ago he couldn't play and now they're just throwing them in like the last four weeks didn't happen i thought that was a mistake i think it felt weird in the. So watching it happen when he made the first three threes, you weren't sitting there going, this is awesome. But they were just three pointers where it wasn't like crazy taxing,

like him trying to do stuff. I think what happens is they get in the flow of the game. You feel good. You get adrenaline going. Of course. Stop thinking about stuff. But isn't that the danger when you have an injury like that? I kind of don't want that to happen if i'm the words i don't want him to get super comfortable out there so that he's

thinking like oh man i'm feeling it because obviously he wasn't 100 because he wasn't even 50 three days ago that's all like i agree with that but i think this is the part where i'd be like okay so what did you want them to do? He wanted to play, obviously. If the team cleared him, did someone screw up there? Because once you're out there, you can't expect a guy, especially who's still like age prime, to go, all right, I'm just going to be

like a spot-up shooter. It doesn't matter. Would you have played him the first 12 or the first 14 and a half minutes of the game? That seems crazy. I don't know if he's ready to go. I think he's going to play 25 minutes. But I don't think there was a minute. I don't think there was a minute.

If this is his Achilles, because that's what it looked like, and we'll know by the time this thing comes out probably more about it, because it looked like something absolutely ruptured and the muscle rippled. It looked higher, though, and I just don't understand the Achilles. Right.

But the two things that we've seen, which has always been weird about this injury, when in the first time it happened against Houston, he went down and pinched at his Achilles. Right. Never on the calf. Well, do you think they've been honest this whole time about what the injury was? People I've talked to,

no one's done. I mean, do you think they would just lie to everybody? You think Bob Myers would lie to Woj about it being a calf when it's an Achilles? I don't know. I don't think he would. The only thing that made me suspicious

was when they showed that clip after one of the games and he was greeting his teammates and the ice pack was super low on his foot. Just seemed... I don't know if you know this, but I have a calf. I have two, actually. On my body, they're a little higher. You gotta let those beasts out.

Let them breathe. They're a little higher, my calves. I can't speak for his calves, but where that ice pack was seemed like where my Achilles are and my body. I don't know about your body. Mine's lower toward my foot. And then again tonight, that same thing. What did he grab when he went down, when he fell down?

So he touched... He touched the Achilles again. Touched the Achilles. Then he touched high, and then he went back to the achilles and then he did like that weird uh move the foot up and down thing which is usually a bad sign for the achilles but people thought he heard his achilles the last time right so there was csi we what do we make of this whole thing about there's this narrative the last couple days it was like people wanted to write it was like people were insinuated there was more to this but nobody wanted to say what it was and it was a lot of the warriors are frustrated but it was more they're

frustrated he wasn't healthier yeah but who were they frustrated were they they think he was dogging it did he think it was unclear nobody was ever willing to come out. But there was a vagueness to it. I remember reading online about somebody was saying how look at how Clay and Curry, the quotes they gave after the game about, well, when you're a champion you've got to be out there. And it's like, what did that mean? Was there something to

read between the lines? There's a little bit of that online about where the Warriors sending smoke signals like, where are you, dude? Everybody else is playing hurt. That was a thing. And I didn't think it was fair because I think everybody's different. Especially like when you're talking about knees

and lower legs and feet. If you look through the history of the NBA, you look at like Bill Walton in 1978 saying like, there's something wrong with my foot. And the team doctor's like, no, no, you're fine. How about we'll give you a shot? We'll give you a shot in the foot. And they end up like he breaks his foot even worse

or like Kevin McHale in 87. The history of guys ignoring the signs of their body and continuing to play, it's really bad. It's led to a lot of bad things over the course of history. So obviously this is another example, whether he should have been playing or not. If he wants to come back and play and they're clearing him that's fine i have a hard time believing in 2019 especially with that organization that they would want him out there knowing that like he's

actually the achilles is partially torn because if the achilles is partially torn then there's no way he should be out there playing basketball okay so i don't well that if that if that was true there's no way he's out there there's no way there's no way he should be out there playing basketball. Okay. So I don't. Well, that if that, if that was true, there's no way he's out there. There's no way there's no way. And honestly, if he had that kind of thing, it would, it's probably gonna snap at some point anyway.

And it just depends on who's, who's stuck with the bill, which I think we need to talk about. So you're going with, this is the worst luck of all time. That thing. Obviously you have two different coincidental injuries that aren't related. No,

I'm saying it's really bad luck. Obviously he was already hurt, but if he's the one that wants to go out there, and I think this actually shows tremendous character. I think Durant, for all the shit that guy takes, he proved and should have proved to all the people that hate on him because they're mad that he want to go out there and help these dudes. When, if he were as soft mentally as sometimes we suggest, because he does some weird stuff, but if you were really soft, he could have easily said, look, I'm not going to come back. I'm not going to risk it. And if I come back and then we lose and everybody shits on me all over again, and I've got to worry about all this stuff, like that stuff that does bother him. And instead he's like, no man, I'm just going to go back out there and play. And so if any of this stuff is real,

that like there was animosity from other players, I think the frustration may have been more about like, dude, we thought he was going to be back. He's not back. He doesn't look good. That's what I think. Yeah.

Right. And then Steph, like, let's just use this as further evidence that maybe it wasn't as contentious as people made it out to be. Steph was damn near crying in the post game interview. His eyes were tearing up. They were welling up with the first, the first answer he gave to Doris, he was kind of started rambling and then he's just like,

I'm sorry, my mind's just all over the place right now. And it looked like he was going to start crying on TV and he caught himself. And then he was just really emotional. And I think these guys have been in the whirlwind now for what, six years? Six years of this. you know, these guys have been in the world for what, six years? Five finals, but really six years where they've been in the fire. And they've been in a lot of big games. And it's a team that weirdly, their

home court advantage was what they were originally known for, right? The Baron Davis Warriors and Oakland and all that stuff. But all their most famous games I think have been on the road. You go through like the Cleveland games last year, the Cleveland game the year before, the OKC game in 2016, the Cleveland game in game four, the game that eventually Draymond got the technical for. That was a fucking awesome win. It got lost because Draymond got goaded into punching LeBron

in the balls right at the end of it. But that was a classic, we're the fucking champs game. And they've had a lot of those. And this was another one tonight. They had two against Houston last year and this year, where it's just people counting them out. Game six Houston for me will be an all-timer. Last year or this year? Which one?

This one especially. How about last year? They're down like 17 at halftime. This team, the character they— I'm not kidding. When I say they're the toughest mental team in all the four major sports feel free to offer up other suggestions like the patriots have gone through some stuff but it's an easier path now taking this person no there's an easier path to

it kyle's like what's up now no but you know going back to memphis when it was still new and we have a hard time you know when when people ask me like did you see this coming with Toronto and I'm like I feel like I've been as pro Toronto as anybody nationally but at the same time it's really hard to accept something as great before it actually happens like we're really good after the fact of being like you know who's great is Toronto and going into next year if it were the same cast would be like Toronto's a great team yeah it's impossible almost impossible in sports to be calling something great before it's actually reached that level and so for me looking at Golden State and yeah, I feel a little bit like they were the band I liked before all my friends did. Like if you're sitting there listening to

Rift, I'm like, dude, you even game hinge, you know, you don't even get it. So I think with, with this Warriors team, it's always funny because they're, you know, they're a finesse or they're, they're this, they're the outside shooting team. They've always been one of the best defensive teams in the league through this whole run, except for this year in the regular season. They've shown you so many times, all the things you just said, tonight, Houston game six this year, Houston game six last year. Two Cleveland game, the game three in 2017 in Cleveland,

and then game four last year, or the two game threes in Cleveland and then game four last year or the game three, the two game threes in Cleveland, two in a row those are really hard to win those game threes when the refs are going to be stacked against you, you have a first home game for the finals crowd but even back to Memphis being up 2-1 and

all the old NBA dudes being like you guys thought this was pretty you guys thought this was pretty you guys thought this was cute like you just have to rough them up and then it was like jump shooters can't win one little click and then they ran them out of there and so i just i appreciate them in a way that's very odd for me because i never like grew up rooting for him i like bob myers a lot you know I like Travis who's there I think Larry Harris is a really good front office guy we all realize how good of a coach

Kerr is and I'm doing some of this stuff too often and kind of like sticking up for him but I just this is why I appreciate them because I don't think I don't think there's any other teams except for maybe like who would have gotten this win tonight who else would have gotten this win tonight missing arguably their best player who's you know one of the two or three best players in the world clay who had to miss a game cousins who's useless no offense uh looney who who's now done for this like this is ridiculous and i know clay and steph are really good i just think every other team loses tonight i I think any other really good team in the last five or six years

loses this game in Toronto. And also a team that relies on jump shots like this. I can't prove it by the way, but whatever. But a team that really ultimately is relying on three pointers and two of the greatest shooters of all time coming off screens during the moments where you need a basket.

There's never been a team that over and over again has been able to deliver that versus like, you know, LeBron puts his head down, goes to the basket. Kawhi's trying to get 10 feet away and do one of his runners. Shaq, they go to him in the low post. Like it's just been threes over and over again when they needed the most.

Let's take a quick break because there's some- I want to get that one thing in though because what you just said is really important because there's so many times you see Steph be able to go around everybody. Yeah. And you're like, just drive, just drive, just drive. And then he went to drive on one thing in though, because what you just said is really important because there's so many times you see Steph be able to go around everybody. Yeah. And you're like, just drive, just drive, just drive. And then he went to drive on one of those late possessions,

try to finish the left side of the rim. Shit got like, dudes were ready to, it was like he set it for him and two different guys spiked it. And you're like, that's one of the disadvantages Steph has over all the other guys you named because even if he can get around everybody, it's still gonna be a problem for him at the rim.

Let's take a break because there's been some stuff that came in the press conference and I think we should take a two-minute break and just read through Twitter. It's 9.15 now, West Coast time. Coming back in one second. All right, we're taking a break

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He's one of the most misunderstood people. He's a good teammate, and I'm lucky to know him. Steve Kerr was asked if he had any regrets about bringing Kevin Durant back in the series. He said, I'm going to leave that to Bob. I don't know what that means. I guess he—oh, so Kerr made it clear Bob's going to be talking about KD. So forget that. Scratch that.

Wait a minute. There was a—reading that just cold, you're like, wow. Yes. That seemed bad. But yeah, so I guess he just put Bob Myers in charge of talking about KD. So fuck, man. KD, if he popped his Achilles coming back in this finals game, that's unbelievable.

I got to say, I'm speechless. I literally don't know what to say. There's going to be some really nasty anti-warrior stuff because it's turned into, you know, did they make him go out there? I mean, to me, if Durant wants to go out there, he wants to go out there. They didn't make that dude do anything. He's a grown man and a really confident, strong, awesome teammate who wanted to play.

But did he go out there? Was he motivated? Like all the different radio topics you can do and i always kind of like label stuff radio topics because sometimes i'm like i don't really even believe this but would it be a radio topic to go would durant not play because he knows they're helpless down three one there's nothing he can do but then he comes back and plays and like did he play because he wanted to show all the haters? And it's like, maybe the guy just wanted to fucking play. Cause that's what he does. Yeah.

And now to have this happen in front of free agency, I think it actually, not that I still think like the Knicks would give them the four years and say, Hey man, we'll figure it out. This is, this is out there. But do you think this changes what could happen with the Warriors where

the Warriors could say we will give you whatever you want right now and we believe in you and you know if if the landscape doesn't go your way like say you know just doing random like Jimmy Butler stays in Philly 80 gets traded to the Lakers um Kawhi stays in Toronto but or he goes to the Clippers Kyrie goes to the Nets and then Durant stays in Toronto, but Ori goes to the Clippers. Kyrie goes to the Nets, and then Durant doesn't want to go there. And the Knicks are only the Knicks without anything else there. Could the Warriors pitch him on, you're hurt, we're going to take care of you financially,

stay here for another year, maybe two. And if this isn't going to work, you don't immediately go to a new situation hurt, wondering what the rest of your roster is going to look like. I'm up to believe anything at this point. Yeah. I got to say, I'm not, I'm not ready to think about the next team yet.

Cause you think like this is one of the 15 best players ever. He's I think 30 now he's going to be 31 next season. He's got 12 seasons on the odometer at this point and a lot of playoff games. And this is a really serious injury. I've never been fully satisfied with how anyone's come back from this. Even Cousins this year, he didn't look right to me. I don't feel like Rudy Gay's ever been the same.

Kobe wasn't the same. Kobe was a lot older. Dominic Wilkins wasn't the same. Who has come back and looked awesome from this injury? I feel like regardless of what team he's on next year, it's going to be almost a year before he plays. So now we don't even get, even if he switches teams, we don't get the sensation of him on a new team doing his thing.

On top of that, we have no idea if he's going to even be 80% as good as he was. And it's just incredibly unfair that this happens during the fucking finals of all time. This has to be the worst injury that's happened during the finals that I can remember. You have to go back to Willis Reed 50 years ago, where whatever he did to his thigh, he was fucked up for six months from that. But I don't remember an injury this finals during a must-win finals game what about kareem when magic played center game six what was that his ankle but he just yeah he sprained ankle yeah he just couldn't play this is like a potential career training yeah i'm not injury right is uh just trying to think of other

big injuries you're right i mean that i mean do i do you feel like i was cold and already projecting all these different things because i could i'm not I'm not being adversarial I'm just my mind is just like holy shit like that might be it for the KD run like he might be moving to a different phase of his career now you know and just so unfair that he obviously was still hurt when he came back and tried to fight through it. And this is, we live in this society where everybody's like, you got to fight through stuff, man.

You got to be out there for your teammates. And like, this is kind of why you have to be a little more careful sometimes. I don't know. I have no idea how hurt he was. They were very,

they were very quiet about what the injury was. And I know we're going to be talking about this now for the next, how many months? Did the Warriors rush him back? Whose fault was this? This is what the next couple months are going to be talking about this now for the next, how many months? Did the Warriors rush him back? Whose fault was this?

This is what the next couple months are going to be like. Tomorrow's going to be a full-on, by the time this comes out, everybody's listening around the East Coast, it will be a full-on assault in some circles on the Warriors. It's just going to be nasty, and I don't think that's fair. But look, if KD didn't want to play,

he wouldn't have played. So I don't feel like there's any blame to really be going around. I'm just telling you what's going to happen. No, I know. I know. I think it's unfair though, because I think when you're- Pre-show meeting. Hey, I'm going to shit on the Warriors. Okay, cool.

I'll take the other side. Great. I'll take the other side. Let's go. I think when you're this close to a title, we've seen people play through just about everything. And he obviously, you saw in the pregame warmups, he could everything and he obviously you saw in the pregame warm-ups like he could run around he could you loved him in the pregame he had like an alley-oop

but it was open i wouldn't have played him i'll say this playing him 12 of the first 14 and a half minutes was not a great idea i don't think i see your point i just don't know i don't know if there was a different minute pattern that was all of a sudden going to prevent an injury that obviously was very tenuous. Why not just put him on a 24-minute limit for the game? He's going to play 40 minutes? He's playing a month. Because none of those guys missed a three

and they were still only up like six. And I think they were scared. I think they're down 3-1 and going, we're hitting everything. And yet they're still in this game. And some of that was free throws early. The Warriors do a really bad job and allowing second chance opportunities for Toronto so you know and I think they were thrilled because they didn't start with him on Kawhi defensively but I

think they were thrilled just to have another big body out there because he's going up against Siakam and Siakam was trying to finish against him and that didn't happen so now you're bummed out again now I feel like your energy's gone my energy was really weird because in the beginning it was so much fun and it was like wow is this really gonna happen and we were so jacked for this game like it was about i came to your house i brought ice cream yeah it was great here i was like i almost had a drink it was fun man and i here's another KD subplot that I think is an unfortunate outcome of this. He was this guy who got shit on basically from the moment he decided to go to the Warriors and could never win and was a lightning rod for the next three years.

And now he has turned into this sympathetic figure that, you know, in this kind of player empowerment, thinking about the player versus the organization kind of climate we're in now, he is now one of the most sympathetic figures we have. This guy who tried to gut it out and now he jeopardized this giant free agent contract. And now it's like KD is the victim and the underdog again. It's just bizarre. Right. And it's a bizarre outcome to this it'll be you know so one of the things i said probably i don't know a month or so ago with the ad trade i said i think the ad market will be different because other teams will go look what oklahoma city was able to do with

paul george look what happened with toronto here even if he doesn't stay it's going to take teams it's going to make teams and ownership especially look at things differently going all right who cares we'll give up the assets let's take a swing at this thing. I think this KD injury will have a lasting impact on other guys that are kind of borderline healthy to go in big playoff games. And you're going to have guys- Well, think about all the shit Kawhi took last year when he didn't feel 100%, right?

I still think some of that was fair, to be honest with you. As much as I love the player- You think he just was done with the team when somebody told me that he was playing two on two with matt bonner duncan and i think sean elliott while the team worked out on the other end on like another another hoop and in spurs people were pissed off about it that was pretty much all i needed to hear do you think this changes the whole concept of these guys betting on themselves with the one-on-ones? Because we've finally seen this backfire on somebody now.

That's another great point. You're on fire tonight. Thank you. Because it's the same thing that I'm talking about. The influence, the ability to be influenced, how quickly things can change. Like it happens in business all the time. They're like, wait a minute, we couldn't do that. Like, why would we want temps?

Oh, wait a minute. Temps are great. They're not head counts and new blood. And we don't worry about. Like, why would we want temps? Oh, wait a minute. Temps are great. Like they're not head counts and new blood. And we don't worry about fight. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like the things that'll happen that everybody thinks you shouldn't do. And then a couple of people do it. And then everybody just decides to do it.

We're all sheep in a way. But it's like how you did this trend where you stayed at ESPN, but also joined the ringer and you're red hot right now. Other guys, other ladies will try to try that model. I try. And it's going to go badly for somebody.

I got one. I'm bouncing on Thursdays. So, you know, just get the message out there. You've played hurt a couple times. Right. Yeah, but I do think that one-on-one thing, that one-on-one model is dangerous because of what we just saw.

Yeah, everybody's like, oh, it doesn't matter. Nobody gets hurt. And for the most part, most of these guys don't get hurt most like no one really gets debilitating injuries and even the guys that are at the very top like a paul george is going to get maxed after his leg cracks in a bunch of different places like guys are going to be okay i still think durant's probably going to get close to maxed out because there'll

be a team that does the math saying you know what it's worth whatever we get on the back end even if he's diminished but i still think some of these Achilles comps you made, like Kobe was at the end. Cousins is bigger. Dominique's 30 years ago. He's a seven foot dude though. For some reason, I feel like with a tall guy, it just worries me more.

But I think the one-on-one thing, like it was just funny that all of a sudden, no one cared about the extra years. Forget four years. Right. No one cared about five. No one cared about four. They're like years right no one cared about five no one cared about four they're like i'll just do like lebron i'll be in control i'll do one year to one

year to one year and then everybody just started doing it because lebron did it and now you're like wait a minute is this actually the right thing to do if you're a player so i think it's a really good point and people were wondering if that was going to happen this year too like would kairi do it potentially would kawaii do a? Kai wants to do a month-to-month. House and I talked about, we did the, yeah, month-to-month. Like he's leasing an apartment. House and I talked on Saturday.

I was saying I thought it was becoming increasingly realistic that Kawhi was going to do the one-on-one. In Toronto. With Toronto. And House was like, that'd be crazy. Like, what if he gets hurt?

He's risking like $100 million. And I was like, good point. Can't do that. But then not thinking that, like Durant's been doing this the last two years. Yeah, but we've been conditioned to now think like this is the new norm because that's what it is. And that's why, you know, when Kyrie,

like you go, wait a minute, why would that guy be doing anything short of the full year terms that he could get? Like in a weird way, like in the old NBA, Kyrie would stay with Boston and still be miserable and take the five years because that's what you would do when you've had two massive knee injuries south of 30 yeah so why like put you know we've just accepted the new nba reality and it'll be interesting to see

you know what kind of impact it has on some of these free agents because i do think it'll change the way guys will play and play i can't believe we haven't gotten to it yet. What? Because as much as everybody who maybe was anti-KD or on the fence about KD or just bummed out about it. Oh, the Toronto fans? Toronto became the most unpopular city

and fan base in a span of seconds when the first reaction to KD going down That was brutal. was was cheering so let's examine this let's be fair like what did you we were sitting there going we noticed it immediately and we're upset immediately but because bummed out they they were cheering that part cheering they had a fast break but also cheering because he was down and then when he got up and he started limping they started cheering that or at least a decent segment of the crowd. Hard to say how many,

but I would say at least maybe one third, one fourth, one third, to the point that Clay immediately got mad and started waving at them to fuck off. And one other Warrior pointed, I think Jordan Bell. And then multiple Toronto guys- Were looking at their own fans. Waving at their fans, telling them to shut the fuck up.

I've never seen that before. That's, and we were saying, watching the game, like, oof. And we had this whole argument about karma. And I was like,

I don't like the karma for Toronto there. That's like, that's never worked out for the crowd ever. It always like backfires. And you're like, I'm not a karma guy. I used to deal with that shit at ESPN. People talk about that. I don't believe in it.

Who was right? We were like Jack and Locke and lost. I was like arguing karma. You're like, I'm a realist. Who am I in that situation? You're definitely John Locke. I'm John Locke. You were Jack. You're like, I don't believe in karma. Is Jack the good looking one?

Who lost? Toronto. Yeah, you were the good one. I was the bald, creepy, crazy guy who believed in weird shit what happened to jack what's that guy been up to he had a little run there lost he was we are marshall jack uh yeah he had that he had he did a car wash at espn that guy was red hot there for a minute he he was meant to be on two tv shows he was on party five and lost that was good it was a good run he he outkicked his coverage can you live off of that? Yeah. Made a lot of money on lost.

He's fine. Okay. So anyway, you're anti-Karma. I was pro-Karma. I'm not anti-Karma. I operate. I know when I look in the mirror, I know I'm good to people.

I do. I was a jerk when I was younger, but I wasn't like evil, you know? There was this clip that was online to me once when I, you know, I had those seats was online to me once when I you know I had those seats in the tunnel with my dad for the Celtic games and Michael Cooper is getting carried off because he heard his leg and I'm like

15 I'm wearing like a beat LA shirt and I have a hat on and as he's walking by I kind of wave at him and somebody I think some sports blog was like look at young Simmons taunting Michael Cooper as he walked by. And I was like, I definitely wasn't taunting him. I was like a super awkward 15 year

old who just saw him and like gave him like a wave. I don't know. I've never been a big, oh, oh, oh good. Somebody got injured. I always feel like if you're rooting for injuries, that's your psycho. So basically you like the make america great hat kid but depending on the angle you could you could spin it totally in your way but like looking at him taunting this guy and you're like i don't know there's another angle what's kind of weird like what are those dudes over there doing so yeah that's not fair because you know what's going to happen is like toronto fans started freaking out because by the way yeah everybody turned on you yeah you it was unanimous that yeah we all love jurassic park you're drake taunting draymond yeah everybody turned sorry

toronto that website very rarely comes to some sort of consensus on twitter.com and all of a sudden it was like screw toronto because it was weird and then even the announcers like in a very weird natural great reactionary way we're like whoa like what's going on yeah mike green mike green made a point of coming back to it and talking again about it nailed the moment so you're watching that and of course like this will be you and i it'll be like oh yeah okay whatever whatever boston guys boston has a very weird appreciation for things that it doesn't get credit for like if i can be in the stands at Fenway when it's the final, I don't know, maybe it was the third to last goodbye with Roger Clemens in a Yankee uniform and they can cheer him. Like, I don't think you understand. There's a sentimental

part of Boston that I don't think people understand. So when it's the blues Bruins and after game five, the kids given the blues player, the finger and the way out. And it's like, oh, typical Boston. And by the way, for all the shit Boston takes. That's more typical Massel. Right. The blues have just as many white hockey players

as the Bruins do. And so then in game six. I don't know what that means. In game six, there's like an even younger kid giving a guy the finger. Yeah. And you're like, wait a minute.

I thought like St. Louis, which is, I'll admit, St. Louis is a nicer group of people. Oh, they're ornery as hell after two drinks. I'm just making stuff up. No, no is, I'll admit, St. Louis is a nicer group of people. Oh, they're ornery as hell after two drinks. I'm just making stuff up. No, no. The whole Midwest thing, they're all nicer.

Wait, can I say something, though? I've been in a crowd one time where we actually rooted for the harm of a human being. Do you know what that was? I wrote about it once. Wrestling? No. It was when Parrish clocked Lambert in Game 5, 1987. At the game before, he had cheap-shotted Larry Burr

and they had the whole fight. Right. And Parrish snapped on him. And everybody could stay in the game too, right? Yeah, Parrish snapped on him and one-two beat the shit out of him. And Lambert went down and stayed down for like 20 seconds and the crowd fucking loved it and cheered.

And the refs were so scared, they just left everybody in. They didn't even call it technical. And we were like, yeah, that guy, kill that guy. He deserves to die. So I shouldn't say I'm blameless with the rooting, but in this case, it's like the dude

did nothing against Toronto. Yeah, Durant didn't do something in game four. Lambert was possibly the Antichrist. I mean, he's a totally different situation. I don't have any evidence.

I'm just saying, if there was an Antichrist, he's in the running, I think, for nominees. He almost admits to being him in the 30 for 30. Do you know he's from Boston? Lambert, wasn't he from Belmont or one of those?

I think it was Belmont, yeah. Lexington? Yeah. So anyway, I've been in crowds where he cheered, but the Durant thing, that was unfortunate. It was nasty because it was immediate. That was the first response is kind of the real one. And it was like, you want this so bad. And I wonder how many other cities would have done it.

So not to turn this in a total, like Toronto gave us the evidence that you did it tonight. And now we're left to theorize how other cities would handle this thing. But it's like, man, we want this championship so bad. Their best player goes down. Wow, this is going to be way easier. I'm excited. And here's the elation. But then there's

clips of like guys waving at durant being on the ground and to see the players i don't think i've ever seen the players turn to the crowd on both teams to shut like what are you guys doing right now you know i was thinking like and they did cheer him though i would say when they carried him out and it was like a supportive thing but it was already too late this is where like a fan base needs a spokesman or like Like Ben Affleck? A head politician. No, like- Remember when you were mad about that?

Yeah, I didn't like it when he- One of the greatest lines. Well, he was- You were like, who voted for him? Well, he was dating J-Lo. She was a Yankee fan. It's like, come on. But everybody's reconciled.

You're friends with him again. It's fine. I'm not, but- Listen, it's one of those things. He was dating the wrong person for a little while. I think every fan should have like a spokesman

who was that guy Trump had the first couple months of his presidency the guy who then tried to become like a like a talk show

yeah he was like Andy Scarmucci whatever he followed like a million people on Twitter Sean no Sean Spicer

oh Spicer was yeah he was he was after after the other guy that was there for like a million people on Twitter. No, Sean Spicer. Oh, Spicer was, yeah, he was after the other guy that was there for like a day. Every fan base should have like a Sean Spicer who has a press conference tomorrow and be like, look, I've talked to all the Toronto fans.

We have a lot of regrets about last night. We wish Kevin Durant nothing but the best. The competition got the best of us. That's not us. So as meaningless as any White House. Did you see Trump tweeted after the Durant injury? Now, wherever you go with this, I'm going to believe it. No, because he was like, let's build another fucking wall.

North. It's all cap, so it better be real. So if Toronto somehow loses this series, this is going to be one of the epic Heimlichs we've had in the NBA. It would be the second 3-1 blown ever. And really, you knocked Durant out of the game with three minutes into the second quarter, and you can't finish him off.

You have Boogie Cousins. How did the Warriors win this game? Boogie Cousins. I think he had... How did the Warriors win this game? Boogie Cousins hit the cycle of terrible plays you could do in the last three minutes of a game. Double goaltending, movie screened. What was the other thing? Got beaten on a drive? Got killed on every switch. I mean, he was like a full-fledged disaster.

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I'm not a doctor. I'm not sure if they're related or not. This is a different injury. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it was related. Clay and the Toronto fans cheering Katie's injury. It was bullshit. Clay and the Toronto fans cheering KD's injury. It was bullshit. That was freaking ridiculous. I can't even put into words

how mad I was about that. And the irony of it is it might have pushed the Warriors to another level. Yeah, Bob doesn't talk like that. No, no. Clay said that, not Bob. Oh, Clay said it?

Yeah, Clay said that. I was going to say, wow. All right. That makes a little bit more sense that Clay said that. My bad. You think such a devastating injury Clay said it? I was going to say, wow, all right. That makes a little bit more sense that Clay said that. My bad. You think such a devastating injury,

and maybe they're just shell-shocked after that. But it did seem like the crowd doing that kind of kept them in the game because the Warriors actually expanded their lead in the second quarter. They didn't go away. They didn't roll over. One of the weirdest games... I'm trying to think the weirdest games of this century.

It's got to be in the top seven, right? You think like the Spurs-Pistons game in 2005, that crazy game when Big Shot Robert Horry just went nuts. Remember that game? That was a fucking weird game. The Celtics coming back from 25 against the Lakers in 2008. That was fucking weird. I remember that one better than the Pistons.

The Ray Allen shot, that was super weird. Game seven, 2016. The last six minutes are like, I've never seen a basketball game like that where it's basically LeBron hits the two threes. LeBron is the one block. Other than that,

everybody is so frenetic and tight. Like nobody can make a play and then Kyrie hits the two threes. LeBron is the one block. Other than that, everybody is so frenetic and tight. Like, nobody can make a play and then Kyrie hits the three. That's why that series is so weird because I still feel like, you know, you'll have certain things

that happen to you in life and you go, 10 things had to go wrong and all 10 things went wrong on Golden State's side. But, you know, Kyrie hits that shot too so you can't leave that out.

Another one, game four, 2000, I'm doing this up top of my head. Lakers, Pacers. You one, game four, 2000 late. I'm doing this off the top of my head. You keep better mental lists than I do. I can't remember what I did a week ago and I can remember this somehow. Game four, 2000, Pacers-Lakers, Shaq fouls out.

Young Kobe takes over in overtime, wins the game, ends up, they go up, I think 3-1. But that was, you know, every once in a while you have these memorable final games, something weird happens. Where people were like were like wait a minute is this possible oh they said the step over game yeah and then you're like no that's actually that Shaq's gonna score 40 a game the rest of whatever somebody will say like oh if game two this this you never know I'm like no we knew we knew like that's like last year with the J.R. Smith thing where I go you know if they had they

had done that and then you never know we're like be like, no, I know. I know. Golden State would have just won the other games, especially last year. 17, you know, a little different. I feel like everybody always screws up when we talk about these games. Like, to me, every playoff game is connected. They can all be different games, but they're connected. The result of the previous game impacts

the level of effort you have in the next game. So, like, when a team goes, oh, we lost 4-1, but if we'd won game two it would have been even and you're like you're just giving yourself the game four win and pretending like right the other team would have been up they were up 3-0 and you won game four and you're acting like if it were 2-1 going into game four you would have been the same effort right it's just not it's totally unrealistic and it's it's just basically not what athletes do or how sports plays out but uh this is this is just weird on the level of we left we left that two Mavs Heats games

oh yeah yeah Dwayne Wade 25 free throw game no that's 06 that was 06 and then in uh 2011 LeBron's crazy game when he just had like eight points and didn't want to shoot and they had J.J. Barea guarding him and I think Jason Terry hit a big three that was one of the weirdest games i've ever been that's one of the weirdest series yeah and it just you know there's certain series you go into it and you're like okay this is how i feel this is how i feel and then you go out whatever that was game one like all right whatever this game two and then you just go wait a minute like this is not they're not going to answer this they're not going to be able to figure this out 2011 it is is we shouldn't have taken us

this long to even get to that series yeah that's pretty weird pretty fun to go to so now we have we're heading into Golden State game 6 two days rest

which I think really helps them they don't play again until Thursday night I think the two days rest really helped Clay and Steph tonight Steph definitely had his legs I think it's really hard for those guys all the screens they run off and all the physicality and the way

they get chipped and bumped, all that stuff to just do it again 48 hours later is debilitating. So they get the extra day and the crowd's going to be delirious. I mean, delirious, you would think. And I don't know if I'm Toronto, I'm a little bit shook. I was up six, less than three minutes left, and KD is on his way to the hospital and I blew it. Boy, you put it that way. Tough to get some sleep tonight. Now, Kawhi, we're not sure he has blood in his body.

I'm not sure he's, I'm not sure Kawhi's like, wow, my spirit has been shaken i think the other guys though are a question though i'd love to know what could affect kawaii mentally you know like kawaii's that super villain like when you're a kid and you're reading comic books and you're just like how are they gonna beat this, I don't. And it just drags out over like five or six issues. You're like, I just, like, oh, water. Like, wish they could have thought of that a couple of comics ago.

I haven't even allowed post game five to even think about because like my first instinct is that Toronto is still going to win this series because it gets back to how many scores they can put out there. And that Golden State is on the fly. Kerr is trying to figure out what the hell his rotations still going to win this series because it gets back to how many scores they can put out there. And that Golden State is on the fly. Kerr is trying to figure out what the hell his rotations are going to be every single night. And now the Looney part of it changes things again.

We didn't even talk about that. Yeah, Looney's out. No, we've mentioned it. No, I mean, just like for the next two, that's... He's done. A brutal loss. Watching him try to do what he was doing tonight in seething pain, like grimacing,

like that freaking guy man what a what a stud but i love looney abaka has been really good gasol was perfect kawaii can kind of do it whenever he wants to you have a really good kawaii thing that you pointed out tonight too which one with him how he closes it didn't work tonight though because i was saying like i had you called it But I had this theory that the last three minutes of the third quarter he does basically like first three quarters for them and then the last 15

minutes of the game are mine. And in the third quarter he just couldn't get it going. I think he had one point in the third quarter. Fourth quarter he finally did it. Then he started going. But the aggressiveness in his decision making was right what you said it was going to be. And the Warriors started smartly sending two guys at him,

making him get rid of the ball, which is what happened on the last play. They sent a second guy at him. He had to get rid of it. It ends up with a Lowry shot in the corner that Draymond sniffed out. It looked like if Gasol had rolled to the basket, he would have layup. He would have.

But he was trying to set this weird back screen on Draymond. Draymond was covering Gasol and Lauer at the same time. He was in between. It was an epic defensive play by him. Yeah. Sending it to a Kawhi thing, though, it didn't work in game four. And it was the start of what game two was, to kind of sell out and pick him up early.

But this is what happens when you're- It worked on that play, though. It worked on that play. But over the course of course of like hey this is the strategy we're going to employ like they've gotten destroyed by like i think really smart players and toronto has a bunch of really smart players where you can trap or do all the stuff you want to do but you're right on that last play like they forced out of his hands when it felt like to me like this guy's getting anything he wants at any point like tor Toronto after these two bad golden state possessions, like they're going to find a way.

I thought they were winning. I like it in the last like 20 seconds of a game because one or two, one or two outcomes can happen. Either he's going to try to score with two guys on him, which is great. That that was always the Kobe Bryant trick, right? For however you feel about Kobe as a player,

it goes without saying that in game seven, 2010, the entire Celtics strategy was double team him. He's going to shoot anyway. And he did for three quarters and before his teammates intervened. So either the guy's going to shoot with two guys on him or the ball is going to swing to somebody who is all of a sudden taking the biggest shot

of his career. And that was the biggest shot of Lowry's career. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's to, I mean, green came in and he bothered it, but I'm fine. I would much rather have a wide open Lowry with green closing on him versus Kawhi one-on-one doing like one of his weird Kawhi shots. How would you feel the night, like the night you missed the three to win an NBA title? That was like a John Starks 2000,

I'm sorry, 1994 kind of miss. It didn't seem like it had a chance. I don't know if I got tipped. I never saw a good angle on it. But did you think that was going in?

Because I didn't. What were the odds Kyle Lowry was going to make that even if it was open? I haven't been the biggest Lowry fan, so there was a moment, you know, I was in your living room, and I stood up for it,

and I went, that's going to go in, and I'm just going to get a million Lowry's awesome tweets sent my way with little Canadian flags in the avatar. He was 8 for 16 tonight. They got a huge, Gasol ended up with 17 and 8, although really nothing at the end.

Van Vliet hit three threes and it felt like he had about 10, only three. Other than that. How was Ibaka? Danny Green had four. I feel like Ibaka is always good. Yeah, Ibaka was five for eight, 15 and six. They only played, they played seven and a half guys.

Powell played 12 minutes. For the Warriors, like, somehow Looney went 18 before they finally just yanked him. Livingston did nothing, 16 minutes. Cook, 12 minutes, three points.

I mean, this is a real problem for them in game six. This goes down to how since Al and I were talking. I don't know how they're going to win

two more games. Before game three and game four, we're just doing the math. Like, how are they going to get to 100 points? Just roadmap it for me. Curry and Clay clay let's give them 70 can they where they get in the other 30 when um when golden state beat houston in game six you know as much as durant going down in game

five and then curry closes out really strong in game five and you're like okay well you know they they're now up in the series by the way when i check my watch it's not because i'm bored i'm just monitoring my heart rate um true story you know let me know if if this is if this is accurate but i feel like it kind of tricked us collectively into oh yeah golden State can beat them without Durant because look what they just did against Houston. And Houston isn't as good as Toronto. There's no argument. Toronto is way more sophisticated offensively. They play harder. They can do different things, which is a really cool thing. They can throw different lineups out there. Right. So I think Toronto would have smoked

Houston if Houston made it out. I really do. And that result, though, made us kind of go. And then they sweep Portland. They're down huge in three of those games of Portland. They come back and beat them every time. You're like, maybe they can do this. And then it doesn't look great in game one. They have that great third quarter in game two. And you're like, this is even.

And then game three, game four, you're like, wait a minute. Toronto's just better than them. They missed clay for a game and so like this is real like if Toronto had won this thing tonight and you go yeah they won it's awesome but you get a different version of Golden State which then some Tao turns into this this study on what 2015 man and you're like well look if Cleveland fans like we get it if LeBron didn't play instead of Kyrie and love it doesn't count as much. It just doesn't. And it's the same thing happening with Durant,

except their second best player is a top five guy in Curry. So as we do all these different things and like, what does it mean? I don't know. Can I let tonight's result and as much as I respect them and respect their toughness and their edge and the emotion of Curry after this thing, am I going to let that get in the way of just my basketball sense of watching it now for five games and seeing it in person for one

and thinking they're going to beat that Toronto team with all of that scoring two more times? I didn't think they had any chance in three and four unless those guys went completely off. But I do think, I think the rest helps those two guys. And if they're going to win, it's going to be because of those two guys. And that's why they won in 2015, because of those two guys and And if they're going to win, it's going to be because of those two guys. And that's why they won in 2015. Because of

those two guys and their offense. So... They've done this. The league is better and I think Toronto is better than anyone they played in 2015. But they've done it, is my point. At least we know that this recipe has worked for game by game.

Now they just have to win game six. Then game seven, anything can happen. So just get through game six. Then you get another two days rest for game by game. Now they just have to win game six. Then game seven, anything can happen. So just get through game six. And then you get another two days rest for that Sunday game seven. And now you have a whole country freaking out that they might blow this game seven. You have a bunch of guys

who have never played in a game that big on the Toronto side and on the Golden State side. But I don't know. Anything can happen. It's doable. I've heard a lot of this like, well, this is the 2016-73. But I don't know. Anything can happen. It's doable. I've heard a lot of this like, well, this is the 2016-73 win team.

It isn't. And people need to stop saying that, okay? Because as great as Steph and Klay are, yes, Draymond is kind of back to that level, except you can't even really keep you honest with his shooting. Iguodala is not the same guy. Livingston isn't even close to being the same guy.

Livingston is like about to retire. The whole Bogut was a number one pick like whenever these guys do this stuff and just some of you guys are bad at this you want to make an argument so badly that you make shitty points you just you're like hey can i make two good ones or seven shitty ones can i make two good ones and five shitty ones to get to seven is that better than just the two good ones yeah guess what as a guy who's done it for a long time leave out the five shitty ones when you say oh wait a minute they still have a number one overall pick and bogey fucking guy was kayaking three months ago okay so you know this shit is so stupid and then it's completely forgetting i'm not telling you harrison barnes is the end all be all but he was at least somebody who you had to keep honest with

for 30 something minutes a game because now granny didn't make a shot in the finals better in 15 and the first three rounds of 16 the finals he lost his confidence finals maybe because his teammates were texting kevin durant third the finals that could come on the team uh festus azili was actually when healthy was a nice big who could move around and do a bunch of different things do you think they would take 2016 festus azili in these last two games they'd max them out right now. What if they were like, there's a new rule. You can have him for game six and seven,

but you have to give him max contract. Lakob would be like, done. Well, Jordan Bell, is he even playable? No, he apparently isn't. He did 20 dumb things in tonight's game in 10 minutes. The way he lost Ibaka on that offensive rebound to Ibaka in such a crucial moment. Like it doesn't,

you don't have to be a great basketball player to know who the fuck your man is sorry i swear on that one but that one was just really bad so my point did the immediate angry time out with where they slapped their hands together and then you never see the guy again no you're like you're not allowed you're back like somebody take a seat somebody take a zip up away from him uh the trenton thunder did that to me when i finally left and it was very nasty. They billed me 200 bucks for this parka with a huge Thor with a lightning bolt through it. My paycheck was $412 every two weeks and it was half that final paycheck because they billed me for the fucking jacket. I'll never forget that.

And you still owe me commission. That has to stop. People are talking about that 16 Warriors team. It was only, like people are talking about that 16 Warriors team, like it was an 85. Yeah. And by the way, yes, it's a little different when 30 million is tied up

into a guy who isn't playing and now you don't have that depth. So when people rip this year's depth or say it's the 16 team, it's a 73 win team and it's all the different things, it isn't. You're wrong when you say it.

Lant over. Do you want Boogie Cousins quote on the people who questioned KD's heart? Bad. Fuck them. Fuck them. Two times? We're going to take a break.

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Hey, Kyle, I'm going to go on SeatGeek right now. Let's see what finals tickets are going for. Game six. Wow. There's a lot of green. Guess what green means, Kyle? It means there's two seats, right? It means it's a really good deal. It means it likes the deal.

I like the gray. Kyle, you can sit courtside row A for $7,000. Man, I wish you would have told me before I made this money around here. We'll advance your salary for the next one. It's great. Yeah, just go to SeatGeek.

You know, it's fun to just look at the maps. You don't even have to buy tickets sometimes. You just kind of see what the market is. I like going to SeatGeek. It's fun for MLB especially. You can get awesome, awesome deals if you're living in the LA area for Dodger games. I would highly recommend SeatGeek for that. Again, all you have to do is go to SeatGeek

and download the app or go right to SeatGeek.com. Back to the podcast. Let's just do the KD thing quickly. I hate speculating in the future because I feel bad for him, but I think the Knicks would give him the max and I think Brooklyn would too and I think the Warriors would I think all three teams would he's getting the max either way I'm more worried about him just professionally

and you know I got to know him a little bit spent six nights with him basically tell me about him like explain to us the part of him that you get to see that none of us get to see really loves basketball pretty simple Tell me about him. Explain to us the part of him that you get to see that none of us get to see. Really loves basketball.

Pretty simple guy in the respect that sees everything black and white, approaches everything from the standpoint of how he thinks things should be, which I think is one of the reasons he wanted to do the podcast because he knew from like, he knew for me, he's like, that's just a guy that likes to talk basketball. I like talking basketball. What if I just talked about it with him on the podcast? Not full of shit. And takes stuff personally about when people who don't play basketball question, you know, a lot of the stuff we saw the last couple of weeks, like what's somebody's heart, what's, what's somebody's heart. who don't play basketball, question a lot of the stuff we saw the last couple of weeks. So he'd be cool with me then. What's somebody's heart?

What's somebody's heart? What are they made of? What are their intentions? On the other hand, he kind of wants it both ways because he definitely cares what people think. I don't think there's any question. He likes to shrug it off like he doesn't, but obviously he had a burner account and he's doing the boardroom and he's doing all these things

to try to influence how people think about him and his legacy while at the same time telling us he just wants to play basketball. I think he's complicated. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think you're complicated. I think I'm complicated. I think Kyle's complicated.

Kyle's really complicated. I think I'm complicated. I think Kyle's complicated. Kyle's really complicated. I mean, Kyle's fucking complicated. But I think sometimes we want athletes to be perfect. And I actually think he's a pretty imperfect guy and he knows it, but really gives a shit about like basketball, his teammates, what's the black and white right and wrong about things and the consistency of what he does. The most interesting thing he ever said to me in any of those podcasts was when I asked him

what the most points he ever scored was. And he was like, I scored like 60-something in Rucker, but I don't care. I don't care about points. I was like, well, why not? And he's like, because I care about the consistency of it. I'd rather score 35 points for a month straight than score 70 points once. And I think that's how he thinks about his career and how he approaches things. He wants to be good over a long period of time. And that's why an injury like this, you know, is devastated for any great player. But

I think he, him in particular, he really took a lot of pride in how healthy he'd stayed the last 12 years. He'd only really had one major injury until this year. Remember? What was that? 2013? Yeah, the playoffs, right? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, it isn't. No, he had the major injury with Golden State last year.

With OKC. Yeah, but he had the Golden State one, too, where it looked like he was going to miss the whole season. But then he came back, though. He was good. Yeah, he came back. Yeah. But there was a time there where he thought,

and from what I'd heard actually like that night yeah he talked about it on the pod I was so glad he said that because some people thought I got it wrong but I actually I was

here to pop I was too close to it that immediately that night people were like he's done I think I think his durability has been one of the great

things about his career for his size you know and the fact that he's a seven foot perimeter guy I didn't feel the same way about Duncan. Like Duncan, well, especially the last like what, seven, eight years he's playing on one leg.

But- Yeah, if you had said after Duncan first started having the feet problems, they'd be like, yeah, you know what? They'll figure this out and then they'll still be good. And then 10 years from now, he'll win another title and probably should have won a second one. You would have been like, what?

Like that's not going to happen. Game 7 of 2013 was on TV this weekend and I just happened to see it and I watched the last five minutes. They almost won that game. I always forget. He missed a three-footer over Shane Battier that would have

tied it with 40 seconds left. Anyway, I think Durant's a legit basketball fan and I think Durant's a legit basketball fan. And I think he got a bad rap in some ways. But I also think he really underestimated how mad it would make people that he went to Golden State. I think he completely misread that and just didn't... I think he thought once he won the finals MVP,

everybody would shut the fuck up. And if anything, they didn't and it got worse. And he seemed to be pretty confused about that i could feel it on every podcast i did the first pot i did with him that first year in golden state before they the playoffs and stuff was probably the happiest he sounded on any of the pots so i don't know i always liked him he's always he was always i always judge these people by how do they treat everybody around. He's always nice to everybody. I think he's moody.

He's probably not the easiest guy to play with day in and day out because I think he's a little up and down. But I think he just gets quiet, right? Isn't that what you've heard? Yeah, I think he's... I don't think it's ever difficult. I think it's overstated because he can be a little combative with the media in certain moments and he had a couple of those this year and it's when you and i were really you know on this whole why are all these guys miserable so

it's not even really unique to him and i think the simple part of him is the part that i like me like when he got busted for the burner account thing which is is kind of insane. I love the way he described it though. He's like, yeah, man. He's like, I DM chicks. I drink too much beer sometimes. Like I have acne. Right. What's up?

Like, yeah, shit bothers me that maybe shouldn't. And just, you know, we're very much like, I don't know if suckers is the right word because it seems like it's not. But like what we do as people, at least in this country, like we are ready to give you the death penalty. Suckers is the right word because it seems like it's not. But what we do as people, at least in this country, we are ready to give you the death penalty. But then the second you give us any human element that feels more intimate,

we're like, oh, okay. Yeah, now I get you. And now I'm sorry I wanted to give you the social death penalty 24 hours ago. Now I like you again. Well, that's happening to him right now with this torn Achilles. It's not going to happen at Toronto. Well, no. Toronto needs to come back a little bit more from it. You're bummed about this.

I was bummed about it. It was a very strange game. A million things felt like it just happened tonight. Well, it did feel like one of those... I don't know. I mean, God, it's such a weird game to be talking about. It felt like one of those NBA changing on its axis type of nights, which rarely happens,

where you have a team come so close to winning the title they don't. You have a little mini dynasty that seemed like it's going to be over, and suddenly it's not. You have this Durant thing that seems like he's not going to play at all. Then he tries valiantly to play. Then he's really pretty good when he's out there and then immediately gets hurt and it's over and you got to deal with that. And then what his future is,

how it affects all these teams. They're up the whole game and you're kind of expecting to lose. And then you're like, okay, now they're going to lose. And Kawhi is just, you know, it's not even climbing up the whole game, and you're kind of expecting to lose. And then you're like, okay, now they're going to lose. And Kawhi is just, you know, it's not even climbing up the mountain. He's kicking people away as they're trying to take him off of the throne because it felt like since Durant hurt himself, you know,

he has claimed this. This has been his playoffs. And you're like, all of these things are going to be real. This is mean he's going to stay. And then all of a sudden, they're down six again, and they missed the game winner. But on the bigger picture, yeah. I mean, mean earlier in the pot as you're talking about trying to navigate through all the bs and what's real and what is it and who bought what where and kawaii being asked about real

estate and all these different things this could have this could be the night we look back next summer if we're talking where you go how different like this would be a classic grantland basketball what if but i don't know how to fill out the rest of it yet like we'll look back and say what if you were healthy what if they had won the title in six games well i'll tell you why leaves does it mean durant stays you know i'll tell you one thing it really hurts because i was pretty convinced that ad was going to go to the Knicks. And what was reported today about the Knicks-Lakers were the two teams that Davis has said, those are the two teams I want to be traded to.

Not that he has any say. He's got a year left. For him to go to the Knicks, that means KD would also be going there and probably Kemba. If KD's going to miss the whole season now, which I think is realistic, that's a year-long injury, he's out next year. It's not like he's not coming back in February.

He's going to be gone for the season. Then why would AD even want to get traded to the Knicks now? He could just sign there. It almost crosses the Knicks off for AD, it feels like. Right? Yeah. Does it, like, what do the Nets know? He's not going to throw away another season where he's just not competing for even being

a contender. So maybe the Nets are more realistic or maybe the Celtics become more realistic. I don't know. It's, I don't feel great talking about it, but I do think. No, but this is part of it. I mean, this is just what we do. No, I know, but I think for the Knicks, it's really, this really changed stuff for where the summer's gone for them.

There's no question. Because even if they end up with KD, he's not playing next season. Clutch can say whatever they want about Anthony Davis and being about their client. I don't know why they would go out of their way to send him anywhere other than the Lakers. And from what I've heard,

whether it's moving Lonzo for another lottery pick this year or what, because I think sometimes teams get like really excited because it's your pick. You get to unwrap it. It's this newness to it. I think I'd rather have Lonzo than the sixth or seventh pick in the draft this year. Well, I would ask that to house on Saturday. Would you rather have your Phoenix or dread the six pick or Lonzo? I would ask that to House on Saturday. Would you rather have, if you're Phoenix,

would you rather have the six pick or Lonzo? I'd rather have Lonzo. Totally. So if you're the Lakers, now you have four and six, and you can send that to the Pelicans with some other stuff, and the Pelicans can now have one, four, and six with Drew Holiday,

who they can either then spin, who I think is a real asset, or keep him. I'd love Drew Holiday on my team. I mean, think is a real asset, or keep him. I'd love Drew Holiday on my team. I mean, if they're smart, they would keep him, but they could also flip him to Philly for whatever. You need one.

Like some of these rebuilds, this is something that I feel really strongly about. These rebuilds, these teardowns, where it's like, okay, everybody has to be on the same page. Like you need a couple adults in the room. Like there's no, like Philadelphia with the hinky stuff,

part of the problem was, and granted, they didn't want those guys playing, like, not everybody can be a 21-year-old on the team or younger and be like, okay, we have our path set here. We have everybody, like, on the same kind of basketball timeline. So I would hope the Pelicans, even unless they found some awesome deal for Drew Holiday, would want to keep him around.

But if you're Griffin, the Woj piece is very ambitious in that, you know, Griff's going, I want an all-star. I want someone else who has the potential to be an all-star. I want picks. By the way, he's not getting all that. I don't know what he's thinking. He's not. I mean, I'm glad he was. It's just like whoever's trading all that then doesn't have a team to put it on Anthony Davis. And he's in the same situation. He's in the best situation now. The biggest mistake people make about talking about trades is assuming that you're supposed to give an all-star up for another one.

And every team, like when Paul George was being offered, the Pacers offered him to everyone. They offered him to Portland and they said, hey, what about Lillard? No. What about McCollum? No. Hey hey Golden State will you do it for Clay no they offered them all over the league now Golden State didn't want to mess up what they were having and obviously that's pretty obvious but like Portland's argument would have been no no we'll trade for Paul George in a pick and a young guy and whatever

but you're not we're adding your third guy to our guys that are happy that like being here we're not training so when you say to the team we want an all-star and a potential all-star well what do you need you want like a mellow who was an all-star at one point because we can do that but if you're talking 29 year old all-star and we're just switching guys around that's just not the way these trades work and if you're griff this would probably be the answer to any of this is that um you have to you have to think about the number one part of every trade you know i'm saying so like yeah four or five picks or this guy or that guy it's a dinner plate you need that what's what's the entree you're getting meatloaf or you're getting a filet mignon

you're getting that nice giant piece of rotisserie chicken what are you getting you got to what's what's the entree you're getting meatloaf are you getting a filet mignon you're getting that nice giant piece of rotisserie chicken what are you getting you got to compare if shea gilchrist alexander is actually an option which everyone is saying around the clippers they aren't that might just be playing hard to get so is he steak or is he more like a fettuccine alfredo but if you're griff rank these guys gluten-free rank these guys. Gluten-free. Rank these guys. Shea, Knox, Ingram, Tatum. Because I think the Celtics, even though I don't know if I would do it for a clutch client with one year left on his deal on Anthony Davis, I do think the Celtics would do some version of a Tatum package. But I don't think they're going to go overboard.

I don't think they're just going to say, hey, here's Tatum. Here's a bunch of guys. Here's the Memphis pick. Here's all this different stuff. If you were Griff, how would you rank Tatum, Shea, Ingram, Knox? Knox last.

Most would agree with you. Ingram probably second to last only because I have no idea what his health status is. Yep. Tatum ahead of Shea. And I like Shea. I really like Shea. If you were going to give me Shea and

Gallinari in the Miami pick and Harrell and two other first round picks, you have my attention. I don't know who's going to bid that. And I still think, even though Boston wasn't mentioned in the Woj piece... Smart has to be in the Boston trade, which is a problem. Because that's somebody...

If I have Davis, I want Smart on the team because I got Davis. I'm trying to win the title. But now I've also lost Smart. You're going to lose Kyrie. You're losing Kyrie. I'm losing Smart.

And I'm losing Tatum. And I'm replacing him with Davis. If you're the Celtics, you can't tear your team down and then Davis goes this wasn't everything you just said is exactly the point why they need to be careful

I don't think they're going to be involved I really don't I think they're I think they're much more likely to do a Mike Conley Chris Paul type thing let's take a break

and then we have some other stuff to hit hey one more break wanted to remind people the new episode of the rewatchables is coming later. Tuesday night, Dead Poets Society brought out the A-listers for this one. Mally Rubin, Chris Ryan, myself. And we really went all in on this podcast. It was a super fun one.

And one more podcast, Fairway Rolling with Joe House did a little US Open preview and a lot of bets and possibilities. I actually popped on that one to argue with him and Chris Vernon. And he's also doing another one on Wednesday. If you like to gamble, if you like golf, if you love the US Open, if you care about Pebble Beach, House has been pretty much on fire for two years.

So I would listen to that podcast as well and subscribe to that if you haven't already. And then also the YouTube channel we have, youtube.com slash ringer. Great videos. How many subscribers do we have, Kyle? 135,000. Yeah. More than that.

It makes our staff very happy if you subscribe to that channel and you get all of our awesome videos. We have some good stuff coming this summer and you can go back and watch old episodes of the funny videos we've done, old NBA desktops, old slow news days, episodes of this podcast. We have a million things on there. Subscribe, go to youtube.com slash ringer. You wanted me to bring up Chris Paul again. What do we miss? What do you know? What are you hearing on the third year option that what it's over 40 million it's a player option because i think you were the first to mention would he be willing to get out of there i mentioned that i thought i thought it it was potentially in play for him to opt out of that last year if

he was happy with the trade whether he would actually do it, gun to his head, okay, here it is. All you have to do is opt out and this trade happens. Whether he would actually really do it when it's 44 million and it's also Texas, no taxes, all that stuff. I don't know. But I think he's going to have made it by $300 million at that point i got a no fucking way really on that no fucking way no way no and it's because he literally left money on the table by not taking the five-year thing from the clippers like i heard so you think he's just this is it his career ends this way i think he feels like he already gave up some of the money and i wonder on that third year if that was, because I'm not doubting your information here. I'm just, my information disagrees with your information.

I just was wondering if it was like a classic Houston thing where it's like, let's kick the tires on this theory and see if it opens the market up for them more. I have no idea. I'm just telling you it was out there and I was just passing it along. I could be totally wrong. It might be wishful thinking from somebody's part. Either the Lakers or even Houston. I think it's Houston's wishful thinking. You think Houston's floating that one out?

That to me would reek of Houston. Be like, let's just say he won't pick up the third year player option for $40 million. Or say it the way that I just said it. Yeah. Yeah, you know, he might not. He might not want.

You know, why don't you trade for him and then once the deal's done, you ask him. Well, somebody should ask him, like a reporter. Like somebody who runs into him and be like, hey, would you ever waive that last year for a trade and see what the reaction is? It'd be an interesting response. He left some money on the table already,

so I don't know if he would do it again, but... Did he really leave money on the table, though? Yeah. Because they made it up to him with the giant fucking contract they gave him. Yeah, but the contract that he could have opted out and signed in LA was still more money. Because I talked to somebody that...

But he got the tax-free stuff in Texas, so I really don't think it was that much of a difference. Yeah, but then there's property taxes. I don't know. Wait, I have a couple more things for you. I think there's a lot of tax it was like that much of a difference. Yeah, but then there's property taxes. I don't know. Wait, I have a couple more things for you. I think there's a lot of tax experts out there that could sharpen their pencils.

Who's going to have the worst Durant take tomorrow and what would that take be? I'll give you that two-part answer. Two-part question. Ooh. Do you want to go first? No.

Kellerman. Kellerman. Wow. Kellerman has been in my crosshairs here but I give him respect for the Kawhi stuff because he was right about Kawhi the whole time all of his stuff about Kawhi was great everybody else tried to do this like histrionic thing that he was absurd for suggesting how clutch Kawhi was and Max was totally right however right. However, he's just an anti-Golden State guy. He's a massive anti-Durant guy. He said he's not only top five, arguably not top 10. And then he started retweeting his own cuts today of saying that Durant was putting his career in jeopardy.

He did that after the injury? After the injury, he retweeted. Oh, no. Yeah. So I did retweet a orioles record quote about something i said on the podcast but uh i don't know keller keller will find a way i think to dig at durant because he just had this thing about durant he just all season long he's he's been dissing him so we'll see what so what he has in store your guess up, I'll tell you

why this was actually the best thing for Kevin Durant. I don't know. I feel like somebody will say that. Coming up next on The Will Cain Show, had Mark Stevens been in attendance, would this have happened? Coming up,

I'll tell you why the Warriors missed Mark Stevens in Game 5. I don't know. I think it's going to swing 100% approval rating for KD. He's a victim. It's going to swing 100% approval rating for KD. He's a victim. It's going to tie into this whole, the players are always the ones making the sacrifice

and you have assholes like Mark Stevens just making money off them. And it'll just go in that direction tomorrow and keep me out of it. I'm not interested. I feel like the jump is going to really hammer that. Hammer that thing is the jump. It depends how many ex-players are on the jump.

Some things that didn't happen tonight. Kawhi could have joined LeBron and Kareem as finals MVPs on two different teams, which is amazing. The only other two people that ever did that. Finals MVPs on two separate

franchises. So that didn't happen. Kawhi could have stopped the Warriors dynasty and the LeBron Heat dynasty. That didn't happen. That was potentially KD's final Warriors game. This just bizarre three years that's a documentary way didn't happen someday

and ends with him at the fucking peak apex of his powers and everybody agreeing he's the best player in the league getting hurt trying to come back and then really getting hurt and now unless we have bad information on twitter and when is twitter ever wrong um torn Achilles unless maybe it's a strain who? I think it's probably worse. The reaction of the Warriors seems like it's worse. Yeah, but now like the reaction from Bob Myers was so bad. The reaction to the reaction, like people are kind of crushing Bob Myers now on Twitter.

I didn't see it. I mean, we've been taping the pod. How upset he was? From a minute after the game ended, but people said he was so upset that it was like really, really dramatic. But I mean, this is not me judging. I'm only, yeah,

we didn't even see it. A couple more points from tonight's game. You're worried that American men are, are losing superhero roles. Yeah. You don't like the direction we're going here. Nobody wants to do this. Like the,

I follow the Atlantic for the unintentional comedy. Like there was an article today that said the obsession i have with ann taylor that i didn't even know i had like that was a real article i mean the headline writers for the atlantic tweets it's one of my favorite things ever you know yeah um be like the gender roles of bees and how it relates to us and why men are shit that may not have been an article um i would have believed it but american men are an endangered species so we've lost spider-man right lost batman right bat we we had batman right we had bow we had clooney affleck we lost him with bail there for a second right then he came back we got him bent back with ben affleck bail can do whatever he wants might be

my favorite actor ever but now it's robert pattinson twilight i think he'll be fine but it's just another role american men aren't allowed to be superheroes and you know this whole thing we're doing with spider-man now it's like okay garfield like kind of got it post toby mcguire but this tom kid and now they're making spider-man iron man so i don't even know what to do with it anymore you've got all these canadian dudes ryan reynolds yeah chris evans is Chris Evans is American though, right? He's Massachusetts. Mass. 413. Wolverine. Hugh Jackman. He's from- Australia.

Australia. Doctor Strange. You just listed a lot. James Bond is Daniel Craig. He's not from here. Well, that should always be. Well, we could have an American James Bond every once in a while. No, no, that's okay. That's theirs. That's not from here. Well, that should always be. Well, we could have an American James Bond every once in a while. No, no, that's okay.

That's theirs. That's Ian Fleming. Hey, we thought Batman was ours. This is fucking Robert Pattinson's Batman. Yeah, but he is ours. And if you keep running through it. This is a great corner for you. Charles Xavier.

English. The highlight of this is when we cut it out as a Twitter video and then Trump retweets it. Let's make American superhero movies great again. He'd be like,

BS pod is okay. All caps. Good thoughts by Ryan. Clever! Exclamation point. This is not, like, I'm not trying to be like Bill the Butcher here, but. I love it. It's.

I think you're right. If you go through it, Cumberbatch, right? He's got. Cumberbatch. I wasn't a huge Doctor Strange guy, though. Wolverine, no. Captain America, yes. We've got that one.

Deadpool, no. Where was Henry Cavill's Superman? Superman. He's from England, right? Oh, he's not. Yeah, he's not. South Africa, I think. He's not from here. So we lost Superman. We lost Batman. We don't have Spider-Man. We don't have Wolverine.

He's British. Even worse. Both Charles Xavier's are two different Brits. I don't know how this has happened, and I don't know why more people... Jason Momoa? What's his name? Jason Momoa. Momoa? Awesome.

Love his stuff. Yeah. Even bought one of his weird, like his first Walking Tall when they were trying to figure out if The Rock was going to be a star. Yeah. They did it with Johnny Knoxville.

Yeah. I love that movie. And then they gave Momoa another one too. I've watched... I own so much momoa stock you have no idea and it's great and hold on to it because i think he's terrific however i've watched parts of aquaman in the last i think month and a half i've been on 16 17 flights i've seen aquaman over someone else's shoulders every flight i still don't know what the hell is going on I don't think Momoa knew what was going on

am I wrong? next subject you showed me you showed me your phone you showed me a clip of KD something happening with his leg whatever that weird replay was and this thing pops up

you had reached your Twitter time limit it turns out Ryan Rossell has a Twitter time limit on himself. What is the time limit? An hour a day. An hour a day? Yeah.

Kyle's two hours? I'm two hours right now. Sometimes I ignore it. What's your Pornhub limit? You don't have one for that? My grandma listens, man. I can't tell you. Your grandma does not listen.

What are you talking about? Shout out to Grandma Kyle. She does now. My mother-in-law? Yeah. She doesn't listen to this podcast. I'll make a bet with you. There's no way.

All right. No way. She doesn't know what Pornhub is. I bet you could probably guess. She's going to go ahead and do a little sleuthing. Yeah, I think there's, it's just a moment where it goes off in your head and you go, like the other day I was reading about George Washington's first term's first term three cherry street by the way we need to get that that needs to be a better monument needs to be built to three cherry street the first actually

recognized white house even though he moved out less than a year later because there was not enough there was enough room to entertain and um i'm at the beach and i you know it came up the limit was up i go hey you've got an hour in it today. You're going to be watching the bees in a couple hours. Yeah. Like put the phone away, focus on the outdoors, focus on you, breathe. And I got back to my book. I've watched every minute of the Stanley Cup finals.

The call that flipped Stanley Cup finals. Yeah. You're supposed to just keep it singular. I like to say finals. Well. I'm a finals guy. All right. The call that flipped game five was really, really all-time egregious,

but I don't get as mad as I used to 20, 30 years ago about this stuff. But it was like an all-timer. A tripping play from behind? It was a double minor. It was a tripping and like a kind of a leg whip type thing that it was like two separate penalties on the same play. And then the guy stops and just is ready mentally to start skating into the box and everybody else stops.

And then the play keeps going. That was awful. But I felt like it swung around and now it's where it should be. It's game seven. Rask was so good in six. It was weird because I will freely admit when it comes to the bruins thing i'm completely fair weather and as i've gotten older you start going this is way healthier like what was wrong with me in my 20s yeah because you sit there and if they

lose and they lose game five i went ah they can still like hockey's different and you can go oh they can still win game six and and like that wasn't some shock that they went into St. Louis and won game six. They're different teams, but I think they're pretty equally matched. I'm not going to get too in-depth in it because I'm going to expose myself because it's not really what I do.

I just enjoy watching playoff hockey. I don't tweet about it. We don't talk about it on the podcast. I don't have really anything to offer. I just enjoy watching hockey. I think the Bruins have had stretches where they're a little pass happy and you're like, take some shots.

And then I think that they were more aggressive that way. The four check for the Blues has been really- I'll tell you what I didn't like. Tail end of game six, Blues getting intentionally chippy at the end. Real chippy. Bring it to a five on three because they're just taking liberties left and right. Yeah. You got to play that tape for the boys.

I would have brought out the power play line for the last like 15 seconds try to run it up on the five on three the tape you gotta be in like fuck you mode at that point by the way old check said it oh by the way have you been paying attention i just dropped two by the ways on you pierre like oh that's jamie langer brewer territory he came out of he came out of sherbrooke that's Jamie Langerbrenner territory he's a great kid great family ran a general store out by the lake

his Wikipedia page I can't get past it did you go back and study it all I did it's really epic I think one of the funniest things you watch him in practice Eddie they're practicing three on threes all the time hockey has they have their hardcore You watch them in practice, Eddie. They're practicing three-on-threes all the time. Hockey has... They have their hardcore two million

that are going to watch the final, right? As you say, or the finals, as I say. But they always try to mainstream it in all these really awkward ways where they had... Like, Jon Hamm had a press conference before game three that he was at the game

and he was a Blues game and his blues fan. And there was a clip and there's 40 reporters. They're like, Jon, how long you been a blues fan? And he's just like giving an actual, like a real press conference. Like what Bob Byers just did. There's that. Then they have to bring him in the booth. Where'd you pick up the Goo Goo Doll scarf?

They bring him in the booth, which is fine. But then yesterday they brought in Pam from the office and it's, and she's got fucking Mike Milbury interviewing her. It's like, what are the odds? This is going to go well, like one out of a million. How is this going to be a good segment? Bring in like, you know, these guys like Milbury, Roenick, they're all like, they're not normal people to interact with.

Like for pam from the office you almost have to bring like a host i'm not the biggest pam guy it's well documented yeah you when you binge watch him when you binge watch the office you realize she's a horrible human being did you ever think did you ever think at any point actress on the show i think though i know you're anti-pam but did you ever think at any point it might swing me the right mike milbury interview might swing me with her just he might he might get some he might get his fork and really dig some nuggets out of this make me think about a couple things i hadn't really thought honestly his interview with her was about as smooth as my interview with dwight when i did get up right he was he was promoting the meg and we were

the b team i don't even know if we were the b team on get up that day because none of the regulars were there and it was like hey rassili you want to work a ton in august i was like yeah awesome and uh you know i was like tell us about the meg like oh it's this movie and the shark's enormous and then we're on this boat and it's the kids love it they're like oh you love the seahawks yeah 12th man seahawks yeah i'm a huge seahawks fan huge i'm sitting there and i'm like hardest transition ever i go hey dude okay cool thanks uh pam's the worst right and i just started listing off all these things and then milbury did it to jenna fisher where he's like hey you know how would i'm gonna just sound like pierre because all those guys sound the same no offense not anti-canada just toronto right now um and he

was like how would how would pam handle the party planning commission and everybody freaked they're like angela was head of it but there was another committee to plan parties that karen and pam when pam was pretending that she liked Karen and not trying to steal her boyfriend the whole time. You're really talking Kyle's language right now. I know. But I did have a good point. Do you think Milbury and Janet Fisher will ever talk again

under any social circumstance? Or will that be the one time in our lives? I would love if he followed her immediately on social media and then it was like hey we're friends now because i did that once with somebody famous after we were at an event together hey i uh i played so funny that milbury has rebounded from 40 years ago climbing into the stands at msg yeah for whatever reason it was hockey's artist melee. Was it Cedric Maxwell one of the standard choked a guy in Philly?

Yeah, they got his hair did though. No, I'm not saying he didn't, but there's this weird thing where pre-something it's always hilarious. Yeah.

And then after after that date, it's like a social commentary on what's wrong with the world. Like, Millberry killed somebody

with a shoe and we think it's the greatest thing ever and then it's just, I don't know. That happened when I was 9 or 10 and when I loved the Bruins. I might have actually, they were way up there for me. They were just fighting every game.

I just fucking loved those Bruins teams. Them going into the stands was like one of the most important moments of my entire childhood. It was fucking insane. They went into the stands was like one of the most important moments of my entire childhood. It is fucking insane. They went into the stands. Not just like two of them. They had it, man. It was a fucking brawl in the stands.

I feel like that would be the most important thing that's happened in social media for like, oh my God, can you believe this happened moment? It was like what, 15 of them were in there? I don't know the count, but it was like, it was like what 15 of them were in there i don't know the count but it was like it was on and plus like o'reilly went in there and o'reilly was like he like he would have fought everybody right and he would have won that was like when it would have just been a that was like when stephen jackson went in the stands for the artist family it's like oh no he's in there oh no this might be a riot the thing for the bruins though that's it's tough even though you know I'm kind of known from being from the area even though I'm not anything like a native in Boston just lived there for a while

but you know since I moved here here and you know befriending so many of the LA Kings yeah like those green and stolen those are kind of my guys yeah cliffy and you know they're family guys like me and you know we don't talk shop we don't talk about our careers we don't talk about you know the standings we just we like to get together and you know we just just as famous guys do we have like just a common ground with each other and i don't like to show how in the bees i am because i'm starting to feel like the kings are it's good i have more personal relationships with those guys and they're kind of my team now. I'm getting texts from Knicks fans in my life

saying that they feel like this was one of the biggest Knicks losses of the last 20 years tonight. We didn't do enough on that. This KD thing. I kind of forgot about the devastating Knicks part of this with KD. They had already mentally, he was on the team next year. Now he's not playing next year it's

kind of a bummer think about that you went from a few weeks ago you thought it was going to be zion kairi and durant and now it's rj barrett and achilles perhaps with durant yeah and kairi's going to go to brooklyn honestly, the Kyrie thing, whatever, we've been over that. You and I are not allowed to talk Kyrie anymore. At least for another week. I have a gym corner for you quickly. Jared wants to know,

what's up with the dudes that douse themselves with cologne before going to the gym? It's one of the only places where it's pretty understandable to smell like sweat. It weirds me out. Hmm. I don't have a problem with that. You don't have a problem with the cologne pre-workout? Yeah, I mean, you know, your pheromones crank a little differently. You know, you get the adrenaline going.

You may discover a completely new combination of scents that you're not even aware of just in that mode. Kyle's down. Kyle will wear cologne all the time. Yeah, he's wearing it right now. Marcus in Edmonton wants to know, do you take calls while you work out? Is it okay to take personal calls at the gym? I recently heard a man screaming into his cell, clearly in an argument with a significant

other. Yesterday, I noticed a guy FaceTiming his girlfriend so she could watch him do squats. Should there be cell phone rules? And if so, what are they? There are cell phone rules almost in every gym. It's just a matter of how they're enforced. I will, if it's an NBA front office agent thing, I take the call. You take it. I take it. It screws up my workout, but the call is too important. I mean, unless it's a guy who I'm really, really cool with, who I know I can be like, hey, I'm working out. Can I call you later tonight or something like that? But then I'll take it, but I leave. Like, I don't stand. Like, there was a guy the other day by the bench who took it and sat on the bench and did the phone call. I'll go find the Pilates studio. I'll go into some weird yoga room. And if I really have to, I'll go back out through the lobby in the front of the building and go on the phone.

But I don't, I wouldn't do it like while I was on the treadmill or something like that. I don't do that. Um, I think that's it. I think we're good now. Sadly, we're not going to have a podcast on Thursday night because my daughter is graduating eighth grade from this school she's been at for this entire decade. And it's actually a big- She stayed back? No, she's graduating on time. And of course, it's a nighttime graduation at 7 p.m. Pacific time, which will be at the tail end of the second quarter. We talk about karma. We talked about it earlier. One thing I've learned in life is don't mess

with the karma with family. I have to be at the graduation. It's just the way it's going to be. I don't know how I'm going to see the game. It's a rough one. I have two choices. I can either watch it on my phone, look down, do that whole thing, or...

Done it at a wedding. Or turn the phone off go to graduation avoid it completely i think you can do it the problem is i'm going to be at a graduation with a lot of people who either know me or know what i do and the odds of somebody being like can you believe the raptors pulled that out tonight or can you believe the warriors won that or can you believe steph 60? Like whatever. Somebody's going to say something to me at some point. Do you think maybe we can make you a shirt and just iron on some letters that say,

don't tell me about the game? Well, one thing I was thinking was I was going to wear like the big headphones like Warren and there's something about Mary where I just wouldn't be able to hear anything. I'd just be like this the whole time and just, I'd drown out everything. And that's it.

But I'd take them off during the graduation and put them back on. I'm like, boy in the plastic bubble, don't tell me what happened. So I don't know what I'm going to do, but we probably, so if there's a Sunday night that's Father's Day,

I'm going to be with my dad, you're going to be with your dad. So I don't know how we're going to do that. Is your dad going to be here? My dad's going to be here. Why don't we have a four-way pod? Just dad it out. Dad, four-way dad? Do we have enough mics? Oh, we can make it happen. Well, I think your dad, my dad would actually get along pretty well. Hey, your dad reminds me of my

dad. Sometimes I had my dad on the ESPN pod once. It was awesome. I remember that. That was good. Well, we had him on for my last show, but he and I did like a full 30 minutes, 40 minutes on Muhammad Ali. And it was really, I mean, look, my dad's my hero. I mean, you know, it's, it's, I think you and I are similar in that way that like I have, I mean, my guy's the guy. He's always, he's always been the toughest dude and you know, whatever. I mean, for a bunch of different reasons, but yeah, he's coming out. He's coming out here to visit me. I'm up for, you know, whatever the regular schedule is. I'm up.

I thought we should get a Bill impersonator for game six. And I just sit here. Just you and somebody else? Yeah. In the back house? Can anyone do a good Simmons impersonation? Sal is a pretty good one. Sal is a good one.

Do you want me to come here and maybe whip together some pasta salad for graduation party and then do the pod by myself well one one thing we could do is we could do uh we could do a friday one potentially but we'll figure it out let's do a friday one something will happen and then we'll see we'll see how it goes if despite the euphoric weird malaise like the positives the highs and lows from all this stuff i still can't believe what happened in game five, but I don't know if we're going to be sitting there going, all right, let's get ready for game seven. If we are, great. And if we do, I will delay,

because I'm going back to Connecticut to do the NBA draft for ESPN. I'm not going to be on the draft, obviously. I'll be doing some SportsCenter stuff with Van Pelt, but let's make it work, like whatever we can do. We'll do something. By the way, I forgot to ask you, you had a lot of people

mentioning the 2002 thing to you so that blew up when you were at a game four yeah and the thing is I didn't really even go I mean I'm a long-winded guy I get it

you did two and a half minutes on 2002 I could do two and a half hours on 2002 and it would be entertaining and there's been some calls

for you to host a new podcast called The Ringer for The Ringer called Worst Year Ever yeah and it's just people call in entertaining. And there's been some calls for you to host a new podcast called the ringer for the ringer called worst year ever. And it's just people call in and they just tell you about the worst year ever. And then you commiserate with them produced by nephew Kyle. That's one of those things where like, that's a non-content person idea where like a suit may go, Hey, that was really good. Let's do more of that. Let's get people on. And then the first time it's actually a really horrible year because of health reasons or a death in the family that's not a good

podcast it's a terrible podcast well it's also when you have a guest on and their worst year ever was like really really awful that's my point yeah and it's like it goes nine nine times worse than you'd ever want to hear anybody talk about their worst year ever. My worst year ever is funny because I rebounded from it. Yeah. Well, people were inspired by it. The greatest thing was that I didn't get married at 26. And some people have asked about it and be like, oh, you've shown her. I didn't deserve her, okay?

That girl was a freaking saint. She was awesome. She was way more mature. She knew exactly what she wanted. And she was totally happy with me, even when I was a loser. And I was such a loser that I wasn't happy with me. So I went out on this quest to become not a loser. And she could have handled a couple things at the end differently, I'll admit. But I put all the wheels in a motion for her to be like,

screw this guy. So I deserved deserved everything i got or let's say 99 of what i got and then she became pam from the office yeah i've never really talked to her actually since then about that like all right not getting married done like i'm the best guy ever to break up with because when we're done it's over i just go i'm not like i'm not gonna there's no facebook friend request coming from you 10 years later right right uh i'm not like i'm not gonna there's no facebook friend request coming from you 10 years later right right uh i'm not gonna i'm not gonna like ask you how you feel every week after that so that's just a heads up to whoever's listening but uh i the 2002 thing it it there's a much longer version i could i could you know but i've had people coming up to

me every day now strangers going hey man 2011 over here terrible people are just unsolicited coming up telling me the worst year they've ever had people i was on the floor for game four different people in media coming up a lot of people listen to this podcast bill seems like it i'm doing all right. Ryan Rousseau, pleasure as always. What a bizarre night. I'm always going to remember it. I honestly, one of the five or six craziest basketball nights of all time and a really crazy game that I'll rewatch later tonight and try to,

try to remember the 17 things we probably forgot as we talked about it. But Heart of a Champion, the Warriors, really sad day for Kevin Durant. We're trying to remember the 17 things we probably forgot as we talked about it, but, uh, heart of a champion, the warriors really sad day for Kevin Durant and, and an Epic. So close moment for the Toronto Raptors. And now we'll see what happens in game six. Thanks for doing this.

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