The Bill Simmons Podcast - Kevin Durant Returns, Part Two (Ep. 346)

Episode Date: March 29, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons and Kevin Durant dive right back into the mailbag to discuss the Warriors' best game this season (5:00), Klay Thompson stories (13:00), the "take" era of sports media (28:00), Durant's three-on-three dream team (40:00), LaVar Ball (46:00), basketball bloggers (56:00), and NBA free agency this summer (1:01:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's a mailbag. It gets really funny. I thought part two was, I don't want to say better than part one. I just thought it was more entertaining. You be the judge. Here comes first Pearl Jam. What was your peak this year with, what do you think your best game was as a team this year with the Warriors? Well, we played OKC right after the play.

On the Saturday night game? Yeah. We won at home. Yeah. So was the ceiling of that game higher than any game last year, or is it different? Because I would imagine year two, you guys have been playing together an extra year,

that there's probably the chemistry and continuity of it probably gives you a little bit of an advantage versus last year. No? I don't know about it. I just felt like we wanted to win that night and we knew what we had to do. I really didn't think about last year, what we did in the finals. I'll rephrase. Do you feel like

you fit in more this year than you did last year? Oh, I'm more comfortable for sure. For sure. You know what I'm saying? I'm more vocal. You know, when you're coming into a team that's new, that's been successful, you don't want to come in and lead by your words.

You want to lead by your actions. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And now I'm leading by my actions, and I can say some stuff to the younger guys. I can talk to Draymond. I can talk to Steph, Clay. You know what I'm saying? Andre.

I'm just more comfortable because I proved myself. You know what I'm saying? What do the new additions bring? We haven't talked about your new teammates since our first four podcast. I mean Nick Collison. Nick Collison. Nick Young. See? You miss Nick Collison.

What's Nick Young bring? He has a certain energy that you just enjoy because he's Nick Young. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And when he came, I told him the first few days, first few games,

I was like, yo, shoot every time you touch the ball. Because I know that's going to give you confidence. I know that's going to make you feel good about playing for us. That was the heat check guy you kind of needed on your team. Yeah. Yeah. And when he making shots, when Nick making

shots, that just puts a dagger in the other team. Yeah. He hit a big shot in Cleveland. We were up like eight, swung the ball in the corner and he hit a three. I was like, game's over because Nick hit this shot. You know what I'm saying? He's dancing and he's like shimmying and he got the threes up.

I call him Loso because his name is Nick Los. And I'm like, when Los hit this shot, I'm like, yeah. His energy just rubs off on all of us. So when he does well, everybody gets fired up? Yeah. Coach loves that when he hits a three. You know what I'm saying? And that's an underrated part Of playing with somebody

It sounds like Eddie House was like that In OU Yeah you have those guys Eddie House did well The whole team got fired up Yeah you got those guys Cause you want them

Like I want Nick to do so well Just because he's Nick Young Yeah You know what I'm saying Mike Miller Miami Yeah Mike Miller Eddie House

You want those guys To do so well Because you just really love who they are. Falto's like this today. If you watch when he made a couple shots, the Sixers were like going bonkers. You just really, really appreciate them because you know where they come from. You know their path in the league. And you just want them to do so well. That's the underrated part of the game.

The guys like Nick Young, you really enjoy when they make shots and they play well. That's the underrated part of the game. The guys like Nick Young, you really enjoy when they make shots and they play well because they just make you happy. You expect Klay to hit shots and Steph and Draymond and me. You expect us to hit shots. When you see Nick Young, Quinn Cook, Armory Caspi, JaVale

McGee play well, it's just like, man, I'm just so happy for these guys. You know what I'm saying? That's the underrated part of playing in the NBA. You guys being the champs this year and going into buildings, was it any different than last year? No. Seems like it was the same. Yeah, it was the same.

It's still an event when you go to this. People don't really want to hate us because they don't. When you go to these other buildings, you have 40% of the fans. Yeah, the fans. Like, man, we go into these buildings, man. Like, it gets louder and louder. Like, introducing the starting five. You got Draymond Green from Michigan State.

Kevin Durant from Texas. Steph Curry. I'm like, yeah. And that center yeah and that center and that center Zaza Pachulia I'm like yeah we got our guy

you know what I'm saying that's our guy that people gonna hate that's why people would love to hate us yeah people hate Zaza yeah but I'm like come on man

Zaza's the fucking greatest team one of the best teammates I ever had man you know what I'm saying I mean he only maims somebody in the other team like twice a year

it's not that bad which I don't say nothing about Bill Lambert who clothes clothesline somebody he's your Bill Lambert he clothes somebody

clothesline somebody in the air but you don't say nothing about that but Zaza just fall and people would just open up a lot about Bill Lambert

first of all I beg to differ Bill Lambert is my least favorite athlete ever. Probably so. I just wanted to say that. No. He's just clumsy enough that you never know what's intentional and what's not. Those are always the guys that are always the most polarizing.

It's never like if you do the freeze frame, you never know. Like when Olenek hurt Kevin Love's shoulder that year it was impossible to say whether it was a touch or not because he was so clumsy who knows alright I got more

what is 50 year old Kevin Durant doing that question comes from Scott Lavin of Berkeley I'm gonna be an owner of an NBA team and I'm going to be an owner of an NBA team, and I'm going to just be chilling. Which NBA team?

Tate's like Hornets, please? No. I just don't know. But I'm going to be chilling. Wouldn't the ultimate move be to buy OKC? Oh, let me not say that. I mean, that would be like, who's going to win in the end? Oh, I own your team now, motherfuckers.

Yo, I'm 29, about to be 30 in September. How are you, Rich? 41. By the time I'm 50, you're what, 61? Whoa. I'd be 51. It goes by, it's 10 and 10. No, when I'm 50.

Rich is going to be remarried because that reader set him up. The Jewish girl in New York. When you're 50, I'm 60. Imagine where we are if we keep it going. Oh, yeah. I'd like to have our own Oscar or two and own an NBA team. Own an Oscar? Yeah, we're making some good shit.

I don't really care about the Oscar. You just have to get a Laker as one of your producers. You can win the Oscar. I want to run the Knicks, though. I really want to run the Knicks. I think you're serious about that. Dead serious. No, he's dead serious.

I think he can run the Knicks better than anybody who's ever won. Well, that's not saying anything. No, no, no. But I really like Steve Mills. And I really like – I don't know Scott Perry as much as I know Steve Mills. I know Scott Perry. He drafted me. But he's –

I want to run the Knicks. Yeah, he can run the Knicks. So the move if I was the Knicks owner would be I would hire Rich as my GM because I know he would like start lobbying. That would be my move too. That would mean you have to do that. By the way, I did an awesome podcast with Bosh. And we were talking about the...

Yeah, he was great. Who was the Bosh? No, the TV series. Asian? And we were talking about 2010 he said the Knicks were never on the table

he said too much noise thought that was interesting cause they were never on the table for you either but for different reasons yeah cause they they weren't gonna

yeah yeah um Scott Laban also wants to know what's your favorite clay story this could be this is a good question oh so when um the night before Scott Laban also wants to know, what's your favorite Klay story? This could be, this is a good question. Oh, so the night before, the game before he had 60, Klay just missed practice.

He didn't come. He just, nobody, like, you know, when practice starts, it's like, what the hell is Klay? We called him, called him, called him. He didn't come to practice. He was just like, he just didn't come. And the next night he had 60. You still don't know what happened? Don't know what happened.

He just was like, I think he said, like, man, I was an hour late, two hours late. I was like, I might as well just stay in bed. And he came on and had 60. I was like, this guy, if everybody in the world was like Clay, the universe would be better. Best weed he ever smoked. I don't know about that. China Clay became a sensation. That's everyday Clay.

China Clay and everyday Clay are the same Clay? Yeah. Clay was one of the greatest people I've ever met. Who was the most fun person at Curry's 30th birthday party other than your coach clay clay so clay always wins yeah clay and mike brown he has a great brown mike brown has the greatest job of all time why Why? Mike Brown's the greatest job of all time? Mike Brown is a legend.

I fucking love him. Can you give me a story or a reason? No, they have no, like, you know, cool stories, but he's just, like, his energy is just amazing. He's just so fun to be around. He's a, you know, he coaches from the, was it the first round? What? He coaches in the first round last year. Yeah, he went undefeated.

First round into game three of the finals or game two. Oh, yeah. Did he give you LeBron tips? Give me LeBron tips? No, the team. Why would he give us LeBron tips? Didn't he coach him last year? But why would he give us LeBron tips against LeBron?

That's what I mean. Like what to do against him. No. He clearly didn't know what he was doing. I think he took offense at that question. I thought you meant like you guys should do this because, you know, when I was with LeBron, we did that. Yeah.

You mean like how to guard him to guard them tips that he knows from when i coached lebron i've noticed i noticed this happened no he trusted us he trusted me he trusted us no jason in seattle you can guess where this is going would i come back to seattle if seattle eventually lands an expansion team or a relocated team question last part would you consider ending your career there? The reason I'm bringing this up is because even though we answered this in the last podcast, I'm still getting the question. That's how desperate Seattle is for you to come back. They're ignoring your previous answer, and they're going to ask again.

I would definitely think about it, yeah. Well, just every time I'll ask that. This one's good. This is from Anthony Flum. Anthony Flum? Anthony Flum. Fl is from Anthony Flum. Anthony Flum? Anthony Flum. Flum. What's up, Anthony Flum?

What are the odds of you and Russ ever having an interview on NBA TV like Shaq? I don't want to do that shit. Where you sit in chairs facing each other and it's super awkward. I just don't want to do that. We'll do it on our YouTube channel. I just don't want to do that. We'll do it on our YouTube channel. I just don't want to do that. You should do a parody of it on your YouTube channel. Just have him and Russ, they're just staring at each other.

It's like an AA meme. Just eating a pizza. Oh, I'm just so sorry, man. I can't say I took that Shaq-Kobe interview very seriously, considering they absolutely hated each other. Because they cried. That was a real... Isaiah Magic was great.

They had a lot of baggage, those two guys. I was actually happy. What did you say about Kobe and Shaq before? They hated each other. Yeah, but that's why you would do the show. Yeah, but they still hated each other. I don't think I hate Russ as much as Kobe or Shaq hated him. No way.

Kobe and Shaq was so much worse. I never hated No way. Kobe and Shaq was so much worse. I've never hated, no. Kobe and Shaq was so much worse than anything that happened to you and Russ. Yeah, I know. I don't think that'll happen. That is bad. But that also, like, you have to have, they're good. Russell and Kevin are good now.

So it's like you'd have to get to a point. It seemed like Magic and Isaiah had never talked about anything. Yeah. No, they didn't talk for years and years and years. I'm not carrying that burden with me about Russ. I don't think he's carrying that burden either. Oh, man, I don't want to talk. No, fuck no.

I don't think either. I thought those shows were cool, though. The first one, Isaiah and Magic was great. I didn't watch Kobe and Shaq. I don't know. I just thought it was... But I'm like a real 80s basketball baby, and so are you, Bill.

You're not really like an 80s basketball baby. You're a 90s basketball baby. So that was pretty big to watch that, I thought. I liked the Bird and McHale one because I learned, even though it wasn't very good... Don't make no shit up. You like it because you're a Celtic fan.

No, no, no. That's it. Actually, if I had... Two of them could have just stared at each other for an hour and a half no that because it didn't get into they had like a real rivalry and they what was their rivalry they were just different Mikael was one of those guys he was like the greatest teammate ever he was like the Celtics version of clay he just he just loved everything and he loved going out and he loved he didn't take it that seriously it wasn't

life or death and Bird was like all he wanted to do is be better johnson could have played in the nba today oh absolutely there's not really a lot of guys like him though and he would have to shoot a three right like some of these guys would have had to add three point range they couldn't have been a 20 footer guy but the bird mikhail thing was interesting because there were these little tips in there that i didn't know like mikhail was talking about how bird used to throw on the best entry passes and bird was saying like got really technical yeah and he was like yeah i used to really think about where you like the ball and he was like you know you liked it you like to be rolling toward the basket when you got the entry pass so i'd put it like it was like some deep dive shit i was was into it. I like that. It was good.

I like that because they actually were teammates. Yeah. But they did not get along, right? They got along. No, they got along. It was professional. They just were never tight off the court. Yeah.

I think Bird always felt like McHale could have been greater than he was. He was a six man. I know. McHale was awesome. But I think there was that one game when Mikael scored 56 and Bird was like he should have gone for 60

like he was mad at him and he scored 60 nine days later. Because Bird They had like a little big brother, little brother thing. It was definitely there.

I liked that. Yeah, it was good. I liked it. David Levine wants to know are you ever cognizant about the Vegas point spreads in your game? Like, do you ever look at the spread and say, we're only 5.5, 5.5 point favorites?

That's like a really ballsy question, David Levine. I'm just... David, you're... Is he throwing games, are you asking? How much money did you lose gambling, David? Yeah, David. Your wife is going to tell you your wife's shit? I'm sorry.

Well, gambling might be legal. David's not married. He can't be married talking about fucking points. Gambling might be legal soon, though. Gambling's going to be legal. He's like, were you cognizant that you guys were seven-point favorites in game three? Yo, David. Yo, relax, bro.

Kelly Corton wants to know, oh, this is interesting. From American Idol? No. Do you mentally separate the season into different sections or phases? No. Do you have any process at all? Every day is important because nowadays I don't want to play for awards or recognition. I want to be able to make a shot from every angle on the court.

So every day is important to me because I want to master making a shot from every angle. So I don't really break it down. I just know every day is important. I have noticed with your game this year that there's an all-around aspect of it that seems like a tad higher than it's been. Yeah, I'm looking at this like I'm playing chess instead of just playing. Like every pass you're throwing has real... You're putting thought into how hard the bounce passes.

I have a purpose now when I step on the court. See, I thought you'd be offended that I noticed that. You'd be like, no, I was like that five years ago. I mean, the blog boys really don't notice that. I like going at the blog boys because they're going to get upset. And they're going to write these articles about how I've changed and shit. And I can't wait. Because they're going to get upset and they're going to write these articles about how I've changed and shit. And I can't wait. Because they're going to.

I know you're sensitive and you got it in your feelings about me when you write stories about me and about how I'm sensitive. I love it. So these blog boys, they're not going to understand me. But I'm really trying to just get better every time I step on a court. I want to master every shot i shoot so when you read this stuff about lebron all the stuff he's doing with his body and like maverick said he's spending like one and a half million dollars a year now on his body which who knows if that figure is true but it does seem like he is

as big and strong and fast as he's been in his whole career in year 15. Like he's really. He's 33 years old. He's putting more. He's 33. I'm looking at his age. He's 33. What does that mean?

The year 15 stuff. Like I'm not really. He's 33 years old. He was 38 in this year 15. I'm like, oh shit. Right. He's 33. Oh, you're saying 33. Like it's. He's 33 years old he was 38 in this year 15 i'm like oh shit right he's 33 you're saying 33 like it's

it's he's 33 years old and he he takes care of he takes care of his body like nobody i've seen but when you when you see some of the stuff he's doing do you think like oh shit maybe i is there stuff you could pick up or is every person their own person we're different yeah we're all different you know i'm saying like i'd rather work on my skills more so than like you know hopping away from every single day and you know i'm saying i'd rather work on my skills you know i'm saying like that that's how i'm different from lebron well his game is more physical too yeah he's more yeah he's more boozer more physical so yeah i get that you know i'm I'm saying? I understand that. And I respect that shit. You know, it's hard to take care of your body every day.

You know, professionals really have to do that. Did you talk about that in the Uber or no? No, we didn't talk about that. Why are you killing me about the Uber, bro? I don't know. I'm old school. Rich is old school, too. That is not old school.

Stop that. I didn't like when Bird of Magic filmed the Converse commercial in 1984. Yeah, they did that in the 80s. I didn't like it. Come on, man. They spilled the commercial together. I didn't like it. I was like, don't be friends with them.

Bird was friends with Magic. I didn't like it. Come on. I cannot like it. They were bros. It's American. I have the right to choose. Yeah, it was incredible.

I thought the over thing was amazing. I thought the Bird and Magic spot was amazing. Yeah, so they're human. I thought the Bird and Jordan spot was amazing. You would think when they see each other in the street, they're supposed to drop the gloves and just fight. Yeah, just fight them. You want me to just throw a punch at them?

Fuck you, man. They've known each other for 15 years. Yeah, come on, man. People like the Uber thing. I think it was a success. It was really good. And I still think you could feel that there's a competition there and that LeBron feels like he's the greatest in the world and he should feel that way. Kevin feels like he's the best basketball player in the world and he should feel that there's a competition there yeah and that lebron feels like you know he's the greatest

in the world and he should feel that way kevin feels like he's the best basketball player in the world he should feel that way but there's a lot of respect and they have different perspectives lebron's a father and kevin's not and he asked questions about that i thought it was great maybe it was just a bit too highbrow for you fuck out of here maybe because we shared an uber but you know when you know when you know you know when... It was an Uber. You know when... It was an Uber pool. Uber X.

Bron was in there when I got in. But you know... Do you know the competition goes to another level when you actually know the guy? Yeah. You know what I'm saying I didn't know LeBron it'd be like

nah this is another day at the office but we've talked about this before now that I know him it was like

I make a text and be like yo I whooped your ass the other day we kicked y'all ass you know what I'm saying like it's more of a competition

when you know someone we've talked about this in previous podcasts but it's always when teammates yell at each other on the bench it becomes a big thing online so oh they got into it it's like yeah you're supposed to play sports you're supposed to yeah that's what happens if you're not yelling at each other

at some point during the season you're not doing anything right yes uh mike from mikey from los angeles wants to know which current or former teammate of yours had the biggest entourage? Ooh. I don't know. I don't know. I ain't going to say that. You have an answer. You're just not giving it.

Yeah, I got an answer, but I'm not going to answer it. I can answer that, but I won't. I mean, I know who your answer is. Yeah, we know. Who cares? Who cares? So much for an honest podcast. Jeez. No, I'm not.

Five and a half podcasts. I'm not talking about the biggest entourage at ESPN. Yo, can I ask you a real question? Yeah. Should I? What do you think about these guys on Fox Sports and ESPN talking basketball? Or talking sports? Like Nick Wright.

Since you want to ask me about my competition people do i think they're good or what do you think about them nick wright shannon sharp who's a well you don't like a lot of the talking heads i i don't because they are i'm not gonna say that but what do you think about it put you on the spot since you want to ask me about you know I don't like when you and Braun talk I very rarely get get pleasantly surprised

when I watch people talk basketball on television you know what I like Doris and Chauncey did a basketball game they announced this Doris is the greatest Doris

Doris and Chauncey Doris is did you hear the game she did with Chauncey though Doris is oh man Doris and Chauncey and Chauncey. Did you hear the game she did with Chauncey, though? Doris is, oh, man. Doris and Chauncey. And Chauncey, like, it all fell into place, and he's, like, breaking shit down. They know basketball, man.

It was the best broadcast they've had in 10 years. And I was like. Oh, they were in the booth? Don't. Don't. Tell me what you think about these guys. Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, Skip Bass, Stephen A. Smith. These, you know, these guys, they. Oh, wow, Skip Bass, Stephen A. Smith. These guys, these clowns.

Oh, wow. This is interesting. Yeah, I want to know. This is an honest podcast. Tate, don't turn the volume down. Turn it up, Tate. Turn it up. I want to hear it.

They have their own code. I don't like takes for the sake of takes. So anyone who's doing that that I'm a little less excited the thing I like about Stephen A who I know you've had issues with in the past I don't have no issues with Stephen A I just

I don't think he knows nevermind cause he gonna make a whole segment on his show and he gonna that's right they can't I don't know basketball

Let me tell you something Kevin Durant I'm just I'm just Got Kevin I'm beat Yeah I'm not trying to hear that shit

But what do you think? I'm always impressed by Stephen A's ability to do monologues On any sort of sports topic For hours on end He's so necessary though I think he's good at his job He's good at it ability to do monologues on any sort of sports topic for hours a day. He's so necessary though. I think he's good at his job.

He's good at it. He's necessary, but what about the... Don't give me political answers, bro. I just gave you the political answer. He had the most incredible monologue. I had to call Kevin. I was like, yo, I got to prove myself. I'm in my 11th year.

No, no, but he was talking about. Yo, I want to know. I want you to get the first seed. I was like, Stephen, come on. Do you really want an OJ? An OJ Simpson? Oh, that. Oh, my God.

An OJ was great. No, but he's just incredible. He's necessary. He's such great entertainment. He should be in the game. He's a Hall of Famer. But you shouldn't have the other be in the game. He's a Hall of Famer. But you shouldn't have the other guys in the game. I'm convinced sometimes.

I think Coward, who I know a little bit. Coward? Oh, wow. You call him a coward? Colin Coward. Wow, you call him a coward? Colin Coward.

Who I've done podcasts with. I love going back and forth with. You call him Colin Coward thought he's a coward who i've done podcasts with i love going back and forth with you call him calling coward but he does do his homework like he watches the games and then he comes up with angles and sometimes his his fatal flaw is he'll take a crazy angle and try to defend it as like coming up i'm gonna tell you why draymond Green is actually the best player in the Warriors. And, you know, that's like a style. And then you're in your car like, what?

I'm going to stay in my car for the next four minutes. So I don't know. I think these dudes are necessary because they're so like, they really don't understand, you't understand the game that much. But we also need the guys that can kind of fight those guys and really show the fans what the game is about. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I think you're too quiet. I've been in – You're too quiet. I've been in that situation. You're too quiet. Well, I'm gonna explain I'm gonna explain one talking head thing to you cause I was

cause I was on that NBA show for two years and we did like 55 shows one season and you get in this mode where it's like you're on Wednesday you're on Friday

you're on Sunday it's like what do we lead the show with on Sunday and you just you gotta kinda lead with something so it's like what's wrong with the Lakers

and then it's like alright we'll go around the room and it's just kind of there's something so it's like uh what's wrong with the lakers yeah and then it's like all right we'll go around the room and it's just kind of so you know there's no other way to do it so my own thing was like all right i know we're gonna do this i'm gonna try to have a really cool angle or something that i haven't heard before or i'm gonna go all in on whatever but i know this is part of the thing i never really liked liked it that much. I never liked that aspect of it. Yeah, because it was always like talk about the Knicks again. It was always a show, right?

Talk about the Knicks. It was always Lakers. It was always Knicks. I was like, can we do the Harden trade again? They were like, no. We did that last week. Just one more time.

One more time. But you got to fill all these hours and I think that's when you get in trouble with this stuff. It's not really real. It's not real. You're on 15 hours a week and by by the 12th hour, you're like, all right, coming up, I'm going to explain to you why Giannis is going to leave Milwaukee in two years.

And then you're like, do I know he's leaving? Even if you don't believe it? Yeah, it's almost like a debate in high school where you're arguing aside. See, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's when people get in trouble. see that's what I'm saying yeah that's when people get into trouble but that's why I like Steven X

I think that under the pretense that he has to do that I think he does a good job of making it entertaining it feels the most genuine he's got to do it every morning

imagine if you were in the game like me and you see these guys just making a mockery of what you've fucking been doing no no I understand that

I think that the problem is they limit the content they talk about so there is like they don't because everything is so instantaneous on social media, you don't have to talk about LeBron, KD, and Steph every morning on first take. You can broaden the conversation because we are a bit more educated as sports fans.

It's just every morning it's like does KD have the heart to lead them to the first seed step out yeah lebron went on the road in the playoffs yes no this is why like it can go deeper than the three of them you know what i don't i don't like to project in like i'm saying i'm guessing what's gonna happen not that i just saying i've seen these guys just like, yo, these guys are going through mental problems. You know what I'm saying? I don't like you projecting that type of stuff on us. You know what I'm saying? Oh, like they're breaking from the pressure.

Someone did tell me. One of the dudes... One of these dudes is like, yo, KD has a mental problem. Oh, when you put the snake sneakers out the other day? Come on, man. These two guys. These two guys. did you see it? These two guys on some channel said that they think something might actually be wrong.

Somebody said something. They said that something might actually be wrong with you. I am living my best life. I go home and play Xbox and I'm in such a happy mode. Like, I enjoy playing this game and making so much money that I can take care of myself, my family. I enjoy that. And people was like, man, you have such a mental problem. But I'm at the point in my life now where it's just like, yo, you cannot tell me I am mentally fucked up because you just think so. That's what I get. Only I can say I am mentally fucked up because you just think so. That's what I get.

That's what I get. Only I can say I'm mentally fucked up. Only I can say that. Yeah. You don't know me like that, man. I don't know what this interviewer is going to say. Oh, KD, you're so sensitive. No, bro.

I just, I'm aware of what you're saying. Do you think Desus and Mero would work if they were on ESPN at like 4.30? Desus Amaro, the guys on Vice? Vice Land? They are real. I like anybody who's real. I think Dave Chappelle should be the president. That would be interesting. He's the realest motherfucker. Lord Duvall

too. Who? Lord Duvall. He's real. I think, yeah. Go follow Lord Duvall on Instagram. He is amazing, I know. He's real. Sam from Illinois wants to know, how much different do you feel like the league would be

if there were no coaches? Come on, man. Seriously? I learned the game from coaches. Okay. I learned how to play from coaches. I think they asked that question because there was that game when you guys were all calling the plays,

when Steve Kerr let you guys call the plays but do you know that we worked our way from adolescents to teenagers to semi-pros in college to professionals

like we worked our way up to that yeah I know that's why they're asking I think if you you know what I'm saying but I'm just saying I don't think a lot of people

realize that growth you know what I'm saying we worked our way up into being able to do that. We are king. Like, these guys in the NBA, we're gurus at basketball. Who was the best at diagramming the plays? Probably D-West. Oh.

He has coach potential down the road if he wants it, right? Yeah. He's probably going to do something else, though. Man, he's the most interesting man that I've ever been around. Steve Kerr seemed to think there's like 10 different possibilities for him. For D-West? Yeah, when he's done playing. I just fucking love that guy, man.

He, ah, man. You can learn so much from D-West just from being around him. Not even just about basketball. Yeah. Just about life in general. You know what I'm saying? Just about history of anything. You know what I'm saying?

I love D.U.S. But he drew up some good plays. Andre Guadagno drew up some good plays. Anybody have a terrible play? No. No. No. With 3 and 3 basketball

getting added to the Olympics in 2020 who would be your two guys that comes from Mike Jensen thank you to everybody who sent emails by the way Kyrie we love this

me Kyrie Kyrie I'm the biggest Kyrie fan in the world I know we got your uniform ready stop that I'm just saying we got it in the world I know we got your uniform ready stop that I'm just saying

we got it ready stop I know where I think you should live too me Kyrie and do you want to walk to the garden

or do you want to take an Uber no will LeBron be in the Uber I enjoy living at the Millennium right now me Kyrie you and Kyrie just you two nobody I enjoy living at the Millennium right now. Me, Kyrie. You and Kyrie.

Just you two. Nobody. No, me, Kyrie, and probably... Brian? Okay. I guess. You, Kyrie, and Brian. So you'd have to solve some stuff with those two. This is not including any of the Warriors?

Yeah. Not including the Warriors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because you couldn't pick two of the three Warriors. Yeah, I would pick my teammates, but me, Kyrie, and Brown would be the other two. JT from Queens wants to know, what player is currently in Oladipo waiting to happen? Someone whose talent is being suppressed or has not blossomed yet

because they're playing with a superstar. Do you see anybody in the league like that? No. Tatum? Tatum. Maybe. Tatum's a baby. There's a lot of players that if they had that opportunity,

that Oladipo had can flourish. He also worked on his body in his game. Yeah, because that's his. By the way, no, stop that. Stop that, man. No, he got in crazy shape last summer. Stop that. He had that in him, man.

No, I know he had it in him, but he got in crazy shape. He did do it on him. He did a little there. No, after the season ended, he got this trainer, and he got in crazy shape. Stop that. Or Oladipo had that in him already. Yeah, but he still worked at it, though. He worked at it, but he had that in crazy shape stop that or oladipo had that in him already yeah but he still worked at it though he worked at it but he had that i wouldn't but you preface it by saying if he

is playing with a superstar then went on his own he wasn't playing with a superstar in orlando no but he was with westbrook yeah for one year i guess the question is is somebody in the wrong situation that if they found the right situation you could see them blossoming. Let me see. Other than everyone on the Knicks. No, I don't think so. I don't think anybody could do that. It's hard to be. Oladipo waited his turn for so long. How long have you been in the league?

Five years, yeah. He waited his turn. I don't think anybody else in the league could do that. I remember the guy who did the draft on ESPN. He's fucking good, man. I know. The guy who did the draft on ESPN that year was saying Oladipo should have been the first pick. You know who that was?

It was me. It was you? Yeah. Who was the first pick that year? Bennett. It was Bennett. I was saying to Cleveland, just take Oladipo. Don't mess around.

Do you think Anthony Bennett just may be in the wrong situation? I think he was. He should have been like the 10th pick. Yeah, that wasn't his fault. It wasn't his fault. Well, also the league was changing and nobody realized it yet. He was the first pick. Yeah.

He was an old school. Oh, you're saying you think the first pick hurt him. He was like LJ. They thought he was going to be like LJ. Yeah, but the league's different. I think the first pick hurt him. That's what I worry about with Marvin Bagley. When you look at these guys who are the fours now,

you have to actually think of them, what are they going to be like in a playoff series playing the fours? Yeah, that's how you got to look at them. That's how I look at everybody. That dude on Villanova, Bridges, that dude can be in any playoff team right now. I love him. He could be the ninth man on ten playoff teams. I love him.

There's certain guys you just know. You like Wendell Carter? Yeah. I like Wendell Carter, Yeah. I like Wendell Carter. There's certain guys you just know. You like Wendell Carter? Yeah. I like Wendell Carter, too. I like Wendell Carter, too. Yeah. I thought Bagley looked good, too. I liked, I think Brunson could be, I could totally see him being a fourth guard for a

good team. Fourth guard? I don't know. Third or fourth guard. Third or fourth guard. Who is a fourth guard? Tell me one fourth guard in the league. Taylor Rozier.

He's not a fourth guard. Smart. People play three guards all the time. You need four guards. Rozier is great, man. Rozier is good. He's a fourth guard. It says a lot about Patino's guard coaching at Louisville.

Some good guards, bro. You love the Louisville jokes. Rozier is a starting point guard in the league. No, I just... There's certain guys you can just see him in a playoff series. 82 games a year, Rozier could be a starting point guard in the league. No, I just, there's certain guys you could just see him in a playoff series. Roger's starting. 82 games a year, Rozier could be

a starting point guard? Yes. I think you underestimate how many good point guards there are right now. Rozier's a starting point guard. There's like four more coming in.

Rozier's a starting point guard in the league. All right, don't bump up his price. I know what you're doing. He's trying to make it so we can't afford him. Yeah,

he's a starting point guard though. He's going to love getting you the ball they can extend him this summer right yes we gotta figure out the smart thing I love

I like Rozier's game do Celtics have a pick this year yeah who's pick do they have I think we have two Lakers pick no we get we have the Kings pick in a year

oh yeah oh my god and we have the Gri pick in a year. Oh, my God. And we have the Grizzlies pick unprotected in like 2021. This was all the stuff Rich didn't tell you when you had your Boston visit. He didn't lay out all the picks. By the way, Rich did. No, Rich didn't. He did.

By the way, you don't think the Celtics told us that? Relax with all that shit. Yeah. Yeah, they brought Tom Brady. That shit told you about the fucking picks. They did, and he made the right decision yeah no he did all right we were runners up no no who was the runners up okc ah you're just saying that now no no no you're saying outside of okay see now you're come on you're out you ready you're out city yeah yeah but they were you weren't leaving for sure you I mean oh not for sure but yeah yeah you know

bills Boston no it wasn't it was time to leave it was time to go Boston no it wasn't it was time to leave it was but not to no shut up the clay game is a phenomenal

what if though what if that's the best what if that's the best what if of this decade how many what ifs can we have in life right now no but that's a good alternate universe what if what if... That's the best what if of this decade. How many what ifs can we have in life right now?

No, but that's a good alternate universe what if. What if Clay didn't go crazy in game six? Yeah, I think OKC wins the finals. What if you were born in Montana? Would you be doing this podcast right now? Cleveland trades Kevin Lemp for the Celtics. For? For that Jalen Brown pick.

And something else. Stop! You're going to drive yourself crazy. I'm just having fun on my podcast. Sean Jordan wants to know do your basketball skills translate to other things like beer pong or maybe games we as fans

wouldn't expect? I'm pretty damn good at beer pong. What else? Hand-eye coordination games? You good at billiards? No. Horrible at ping pong, yes. Air hockey?

I wiped you off the court ten times in a row. What about pop? What happens when you No, not seven times in a row. How about pop a shot? Oh, yeah, pop a shot easily,

but not, I mean, beer pong, I'm pretty good. Football, you're good. Football, I'm good, yeah. I saw the football highlights. That was pretty good. Football, you're good. Football, I'm good, yeah. I saw the football highlights. That was pretty good.

He's got a good arm. Mega Megatron. Frazier from Sydney, Australia wants to know, what's the best signature shoe outside of your own? We're coming. To Australia? What's going on in Australia? The wine's kicking in.

The wine is kicking in. We have this whisper. A couple names we whisper. Tata is the next whisper. We whisper names. It's pretty cool. What's the best signature shoe? KD4.

No, other than your own. Oh, Jordan 1. If you guys win it all again this year, Lucas says, the media is going to keep the LeBron to the Warriors things going. Does this frustrate you, and did it annoy you when that rumor started last month? Frustrated? Annoyed?

Man. I am living, like I said before, I am enjoying my life. Okay. Why the fuck would I? That's when you came on when you was like, these fucking Warrior LeBron stories are driving me insane. That was annoying though. No, it was not. That was an annoying story.

No. Look, can I explain something to you? Please. I play basketball for a living. They pay me a lot of money for a supreme skill that I have. Why the fuck would I be worried about anything? You have an amazing life too, Bill. Yeah, it's different.

We all have amazing... I didn't write the question. You enjoy what you do? I really enjoy what I do. I love what I do. I didn't write the question. You make a lot of money to talk about sports. I didn't write the question.

I make a lot of money to play sports. Why the fuck would I be worried about anything? I enjoy playing Xbox. I enjoy just going home and going to sleep and watching billions and and and billions are you listening to our recap we have a podcast that recaps did you watch it i watched a little bit but i wasn't really locked in i know what episode you're in did he he told me last night do you do you have this oh i didn't think we were supposed to say anything did he tell you in the podcast?

No. He told me after. Oh, yeah. He told me after. I don't know. No, I think he thought I would tell you. What is it? The mics are on, bro.

No, but... Oh. Okay. Perfect. Damn, that's too... That's so lame. I know. Do you have an Axe Capital fleece?

Yes, I do. He gave you a fleece, right? Yeah. Did he give you one? Yeah, I had to trade a ring. He did rounders and billions. He's good. I know.

I've been friends with him for 20 years. I know that you're good. I'm just saying the fact that he did rounders. Oh, that's your bro? I've known him for a long time. He loves you, man. I'm very happy for that, dude. He listens to all our podcasts.

His dream was to have a show like this that all these random people loved. And that's exactly what happened. Yeah, we should get on him. Nick Gordon says, does LeVar discourage potential free agents from signing with the Lakers? No. I think LeVar's chilled his thing out, right? Tell him how much I love LeVar. Kevin loves LeVar.

Kevin loves LeVar. You know why I love LeVar? Because he reminds me of a normal AU dad. Players don't mind LeVar. No. The media is much more annoyed by LeVar than players are. Because players are used to LeVar. Yeah, I've seen dads like him.

Yeah. I grew up watching people watching dads like LeVar. And I'm like, I appreciate what you bring. You know what? Because I wish that, you know what I mean? The crazy family member who thinks he's good, who can coach the team. Yeah. Me and my dad are so tight right now, but growing up,

my dad really didn't come to games. You know what I'm saying? So I wish I had a dad like that. A lot of players wish they had dads like LeVar. Yeah. Just being their support. Maybe not going on ESPN or putting the pressure on him like he did Lonzo, but it's just like LeVar is the prototypical pops in the AAU circuit.

I like him. I like his family. Every time we play the Lakers and I see him, I give him a big hug. I'm like, man, I like what you're doing, man. I enjoy it. I like his family. Every time we play the Lakers and I see him, I give him a big hug. I'm like, man, I like what you're doing, man. I enjoy it. I just like your personality. I like that you care about the game so much and you care about your son so much. That's what I like.

I don't know. The big baller, man, I'm not getting into that. But I just like what he does. I think there's one thing he did that bothers me. The Luke Walton thing. Right? Yeah, I don't like he talking about the coach like that. Yeah, I don't like that bothers me. The Luke Walton thing. What? Yeah, I don't like he talking about the coach like that. Yeah, I don't like that shit.

Don't talk about the coach. No, don't talk about the coach. I think the middle kid, what's his name? Oh, the one who was at UCLA for a second? I think, listen, I don't want to judge anyone else's family or how they make decisions. As a fan, I'm only speaking as a fan, the opportunity to play basketball at UCLA, even if he messed up in China or didn't mess up, whatever the case is,

that was a pretty good opportunity. He could regret not playing there and choosing to play. I think he should let him play. He should let him play at UCLA. He should have went through the suspension and the discipline

that he was on. Let him play. Like the other guys. All the other guys sat out the whole year. He should have sat out. That would have been a good lesson to be learned. A great lesson. I don't care either way.

That's his son and his shit. But I thought it would have been cool if he let him go through that and play. I don't know what the second-rate Lithuanian league really does i look like i swear to god well i know you're just gonna say you're trash rich i feel like i could play in that league in lithuania you're trash i've been playing what are you a stretch four now no i'm sorry why so funny so we were stretch three we're flying back um on a plane a few of us one day and I said to them I said I said

man I think I would have went to Carolina if I could have if I could have jumped all my places what was your biggest what was your biggest trait

what would you add to the team so they said to me what would they said no they said why Carolina I said I think

it fits my system I said I think I fit the system and they said they said what could you have? I said, I think it fits my system. I said, I think I fit the system. And they said, what could you have added? I said, interior passing. That was my answer. Yo, you're trash. I'm not trash.

Justin wants to know, who's the first celebrity to reach out to you and has that relationship lasted? KD. First celebrity? Had to have been when you were at Texas, I'm guessing. No, no celebrities really reached out to me because it was hard to do that. What was the first song you got name-dropped in? While they name-dropped me in a song.

Oh, that's right. We're doing an hour special. Yeah. We're creating this hour documentary on the history of basketball players getting dropped in rap songs dating all the way back to Spencer Haywood in the 70s and why some players are named in rap songs or why some people aren't and how Jay-Z put Sean Bradley to rest in Crazy in Love and how Nick Van Exel is recognized for being in Crazy in Love. It's like

LeBron, Kevin, Mello, AI, and Steph over the last 10 years have been mentioned in more rap songs than any other NBA player. Really? And Tim Duncan like seven times. We're doing this whole thing about why some people get mentioned more than

others. It's kind of cool. It's a good idea. Me and Drake are really tight. Yeah. Even though he's a Raptor. I don't think so. You might be playing them in the finals. I hope so.

Maybe he's trying to butter you up like LeBron. It has nothing to do with anything, though. Yeah, but I wouldn't say that. Me and the Six Guard are really tight. These guys are funny, right? Bill and Kevin make good podcasts. Oh, Ray LaPerson.

Who was your favorite player in the 2018 draft? What? Coming up. Favorite prospect. Mikael Bridges. He reminds me of myself. Oh.

Well, because he's long and athletic and he can guard different positions. He can shoot the three. Like, he just waited four years. He just waited his turn. And our boy Alonzo Trier. Alonzo Trier, yeah. He's Alonzo Trier. Isozo is pretty good, too.

And Trey Young. Trey Young, too. And Michael Porter, Jr. Nick from Canada wants to know. Shamari Pons, St. John's. Shamari. No. Shamari Pons from St. John's?

He's coming out. I like him. I love him, yeah. I think he's going to be a second-round steal for somebody. Shamari Pons. I don't even know if he's in the top 40. No, he's not ranked anywhere, but he should be. I watched him take it to teams this year a couple times.

Yeah, but you know they beat Villanova and Duke back-to-back? Yeah, I like him. Yo, chill out with the Johnnies. But Mully's your guy. Mully's mine. We got two more. Two more questions. I love Mully.

This is important. Cooper Herman. Shout out to Cooper. I am 13 years old, I play travel and AU basketball Here in the DC area Do you have any advice for how A player my age can get better Go play in PG County

In the neighborhoods Go to C Pleasant Go to Kettering Go to Largo Go play in the neighborhoods That's where all the good players are. Right now his mom's like, is there anything else he could do besides play? Go there.

What about working at a stuffy and a dribble? Shout out Bryce. He went there. Is there a video we could download instead? No videos, nothing. Just go play in the neighborhoods. Go to Berry Farms. Go to 58th and Southeast and Watts. Go play there.

Nick from Canada wants to know if you could choose one city outside of North America to have the first global expansion team, where would it be? For argument's sake, let's assume travel time is negligible. Barcelona. Oh, man.

That's a great choice. Barcelona is a great choice Brisbane, Australia Nick from Canada also wants you to know keep being real KD even people who don't cheer for your squad

like me respect you see there you go Nick from Canada Nick from Canada gets it Nick hey yo

I keep it real man that's um hey blog boys, how y'all feel? Houston Rockets? You blog boys are going to be mad at this one.

I love it. I'm being serious. Got anything for the Houston Rockets before we go? They're going to have home court. A lot of people say that the Warriors don't think about the Houston Rockets as much as we should.

You texted me that, right? No, I didn't text you that. Yes, you did. I didn't text you that. No, not that. I didn't text you that. I texted you I was disappointed you did the Uber commercial. You get that a lot, though.

Yeah, I get that a lot. I'm like, should we say it in the media that we are worried about the Rockets? Like, hell yeah, they're the number one team in the West. Like, what the fuck? Like, of course. But we're not going to talk about it every single day. We're just going to come to work. Did you know James is this good in Oklahoma? Yeah.

He's good. Yeah. You know what bosh said on the podcast i did what with him he said in the 2012 finals when they went into it their key was to shut down james yeah and give you and russ your 50 to 55 every night they didn't care they wanted to take him out they took him out they win the series and then i was like they couldn't stop us they couldn't stop me yeah it was like give you your 55 and then and then i was like they couldn't stop us they couldn't stop me yes it was like give you your 55 and then he then i was like were you guys happy when they traded james he was like yeah hell yeah i remember lebron uh tweeted it was like man my bro james is gonna

have a good time it's gonna do his thing in houston i'm like he only saying that because he. Because he knows. He knows. That you guys are going to be a problem. Yes. Bosh said the peak of that team was the 27-game winning streak. Miami team. They were on a tear. He said that was, he said LeBron hit a level that he's just never seen. And the whole team was like, every night they just, they didn't care if they were down 20.

They knew they were going to win. It was interesting to hear him talk about it. And they took so much out of him. They were never really the same after that. Does he still feel like he's going to play? It seemed like he hadn't really come to grips with that. It was over and over again. Hey, yo, blog boys. What up?

I'm sorry go ahead I just think do you have any last questions for Bill I feel like we have some you don't get interviewed or nothing

we hit everything right no we didn't asking you asking you a question I thought we hit everything no we didn't I like how you turned it on me with the talking heads

yeah I want to know cause I I mean cause I know I don't take a lot of writers don't like it i know the beat writers don't like them there's stuff this the things that have gotten better this year and it's almost gotten too far but the people explaining what teams are doing with like what they're trying to do on offense and showing like how teams run certain

actions and play stuff like that i'm like you don't know shit no but they're they're doing a good job of breaking it down i gotta say i know they're gonna be like you're so sensitive no i'm not like zach low who i used to work with the grandlin who's really good he wrote a whole piece about how toronto knew they had to shoot more threes this year because they just, they just, they didn't have quite enough spacing and all the little adjustments they made to basically spread the court out, which even included like, yeah,

like even DeRozan, who's not a great three point shooter, but he's taking them because he has to. Yeah. Yeah. But it was just a smart piece. Can we talk about basketball a little bit right now? Yeah,

let's do it. Like, like, like strategic sling. Yeah, let's do it. Okay. So, like, Toronto, they flipped their system because they knew that, A,

they needed to add, like, three to four more threes a game. Well, they knew that this was it. They had a lot of pressure on them this year as a coaching staff. That's the reason why, right? Coaching staff, because if they didn't happen this year, they're getting rid of the coaches. Yeah. Yeah. Is is that the reason or they just thought they would win that way or is the reason because they thought they would get fired no i think the reason was they could not figure out how to beat cleveland and they could not just do what they did last year again because

it wasn't going to work so they had to tweak their system you can't be scared of lebron james if you're trying to beat Cleveland. So here's one of the things. You got to really challenge them. Like, I like, like, LeBron's good. Well, that's the thing. So I watched that game Wednesday. Yeah.

So Toronto basically had control of the East. They lost this game to Portland, which the refs got mad. Yeah, the refs got the whole thing, and they blew this game down. Oh, that was OKC. That was OKC. Oh, OKC, I'm sorry. And they had a streak, and they lost the streak. Okay. And then they lose that Cleveland game, and now it seems like they lost.

All of a sudden, the door is now open for LeBron a little bit. The door was not as open as it was. It's always been open for him. No, I know, but now... Who can match up with him? Well, that's what we learned last night. Toronto scored 129 points and they lost. Because at the end of the game, LeBron's like, I'm scoring every time.

Cleveland scored like 137. They scored 132. But that was like, everybody was like, oh, this is Toronto's year. Here it comes. And then LeBron's like, no, it's not. You still have to go through me in the playoffs. And it was a really interesting game. I really was just playing an all-star game,

and their staff was leading the team. So you were impressed by how well run they were? Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like any of the opponents have jumped up a level that you've played against? Every opponent has. Like who?

Like we talked about Portland's definitely a little better this year. Portland's got better. Minnesota's got better. They need Butler back though. Yeah, of course. You need all the players

you can in the playoffs, man. What about Mitchell as a rookie actually having to be a creator in a playoff series? Because Utah's good. Utah's good. Regular season playoffs are a different animal. You know, Clint Snyder is one of the best coaches I've seen in series. Because Utah's good. Utah's good. Regular season playoffs is different.

You know, Clint Snyder is one of the best coaches I've seen since I've been in the league. Yeah. I'm with you. He's incredible. But in the playoffs, do you remember your first playoffs? What year is that, 2009? Or 2010? 2010, yeah.

So you're in there. You couldn't have been at the peak compared to what the thing was. I was 21. I was like, I didn't shoot well. What about the adrenaline of it? Did you feel like you couldn't get your legs? I was 21. If I didn't have no legs at 21, then what the fuck was I doing?

Yeah. So that's my fear with that. Yeah. I learned a lot. Mitchell has to have a postseason where he learns all his little... Mitchell is going to do well. If he struggles shooting a basketball, you cannot judge him off of that. You know who would have been great with Mitchell?

Gordon Hayward. I'm just saying. Sorry. I'm just saying. Of course he would have. Can I ask you a Celtic question? Yeah. How's that going to look next year?

Let's just say Kyrie comes back. You guys lose in the conference finals. So I'm just making. Don't hold me to this. All right. I think we're going to look next year let's just say kairi comes back you guys losing the conference finals so i'm just making don't hold me to this all right i think we're gonna lose before then all right i'm just trying to be nice let's just go through everything who's starting five starting five next year how's the team unfold is smart back does jaylen brown go the bench who's your big man is baines going what's talk to me run me through the celtics next year so i think the biggest advantage was Smart is nobody in the league has money this summer. Because the cap guy, everybody's salary is. And they're not spending it.

How much are you spending on Marcus Smart? Well, that's the thing. Two years ago, he would have signed a crazy contract. But this year, there's only like four teams that have cap space. And the injury is helping. Yeah, and the injury is. So you should, let's say, he'll get a four-year $70 million deal. Hell no. No, and the injuries. So, let's say you get a four-year, $70 million deal. Hell no.

Sorry, I just don't remember. Yo, get out. I'm just playing. Hey, yo, blog boys, where's Marcus Smart getting? Hey, yo, if you work for the Ringer or the Barstool, hey, yo, where's Marcus Smart getting? Oh, yeah. Hey, yo, what market smart get? Oh, yeah. What market smart get?

Yo, barstool, what market smart get since y'all know everything? Yo, yo, Stephen A. Bleacher report. Yo, Shannon Sharp, what market smart get? So, Lou Williams

signs an extension, $32 million for four years. Underpaid. Right. Underpaid, but that tells you what the market is for the summer.

Nobody has any money. Nobody has any money. Nobody has any money. Yeah. So that's why I think they get a deal on Marcus. Only PG and Brian get paid, right? Yeah. DeMarcus. Well, DeMarcus has the Achilles, though.

He's getting paid. That's a dangerous injury, though. Come on, man. Stop it. That's a dangerous injury. He's great. Come on, man. I don't give a damn what you say.

I agree he's great. It's a bad basketball injury. You're right. It is. It is a bad injury. They found the owner on the other spot. He's great. Come on, man. I don't give a damn what you say. I agree he's great. It's a bad basketball injury. You're right. It is. It is a bad injury. They found the owner on the other spot. He's bouncing back. I hope so.

Hey, yo, blog boys. Is DeMarcus bouncing back? Yeah, that's going to be a thing. Blog boys. It is. So Hayward and Jalen, and I think Jason Tatum's the sixth man. What? Yeah, Tatum is the sixth man.

Yeah. I like Tatum as the sixth man. He wasn't supposed to play 30 minutes this year. He was supposed to play 20. He's the sixth man. What? Yeah, Tatum is the sixth man. Yeah. I like Tatum as the sixth man. He wasn't supposed to play 30 minutes this year. He was supposed to play 20. He's 19 years old. He's a baby. He just had a son. Honestly, I would not play around with Jason Tatum for one second.

He should be starting, and he should start for the next 10 years. What about Jalen Brown? Let him come off the bench. Jason Tatum is a special, special player, man. I just watched him go back-to-back-to-back possessions to Anthony Davis like a star player. He should be

getting his rhythm off the bench. No. You cannot play with Jason Tatum, man. You spread out the scoring, though, the way they did with Harden and Chris Paul. Yeah, bro. He is on a good team. Their crunch time will be Hayward, Brown, Tatum, Horford, and Kyrie. I just wouldn't play around with Jason Tatum, man. I mean, he's in his second year.

He's 19, bro. I know, but when you start all year and you carry that load to have to go off the bench, I would not play around with him. I'm just saying. I feel you, bro. What about Eastern teams for sleepers? Like, can Washington get their shit together before? I like Milwaukee.

Really? Yeah. How come? Just because Giannis? Long athletic. Yeah, Giannis is, yeah. I like Giannis. He's so good, man.

It feels like somebody weird is going to come out of these. You know what's so funny? People watch Giannis get interviewed, and they're like, that's what old KD was before he went crazy. He is changing. That's when we used to love him. That was MVP speech, KD. Where's your backpack?

MVP speech, KD? Does he know Hoodie Mello? That's MVP speech, backpack, glasses, KD. Glasses. Yeah. Remember when we used to want to bring KD home? I love KD. Was Thunderstruck KD a KD?

Thunderstruck KD was definitelyd was definitely okay that's the whisper was that pre-rich old kd pre-rich oh my god i created you bro that's me i'm fucking crazy yo rich oh you're yo no i was an influencer i was at your mvp speech mvp kd i was there bro no what's that noise it's a phone oh I thought I was weird that was the podcast ending are you trying to end it no

we could do this all night no we can we go all night three parts marathon can we go all night oh yeah keep it running

he's gonna use the bathroom hello we're gonna keep going who's the next MVP after Harden this year oh man who'd you put your money on somebody who hasn't been MVP yet Anthony Davis We're going to keep going. Who's the next MVP after Harden this year? Oh, man. Who'd you put your money on?

Somebody who hasn't been MVP yet. Anthony Davis. Shit, right? Yeah. His team would have to. DeMar DeRozan. You know, MVP is a real thing. But nowadays, awards really don't. Because the blog boys vote on these awards, and they really don't know basketball.

I think it's better than it was. No. Because, you know why? Because they publish the votes now, and you can't fuck around. Yeah. If you do a bad vote, then people call you out and make fun of you. Zach Lowe knows basketball to me. Mark Stein knows basketball.

There are people that know basketball. Come on, man. There's a lot of people that know basketball. You fucking don't know basketball, man. So you think players should vote on the MVP? Oh, they do vote on the MVP. No, I don't think players should vote on the MVP. No, they used to do that.

It was a disaster. So who would vote if it's not Black Boys? Obviously, the Black Boys should vote on MVP, but it's like, just go watch some games, man. Stop using analytics all the fucking time. Well, I would like to think some people are out there doing both, though. They watch the games and they look at the numbers. I'm flip-flopping a lot.

You think if rappers voted for the MVP, who do you think would win? I think rappers should vote for MVP. That'd be sick. That would be funny if they did the MVP, but there was different factions. They should vote for MVP. It's like a commission. They own like 10% of the vote. Kendrick, Drake.

Yeah, they should vote for him. J. Cole knows ball. J. Cole. Block Boy JB. He should vote for MVP. Tate liked that idea. Tate was like nodding vigorously over there. It's like the playoff committee.

Like in football. You know, you just pick a handful of people. Yeah, man. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. Do you think they should have televised the All-Star Game draft? Yeah. man. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. Do you think they should have televised the All-Star Game draft? Yeah.

Nah. Why not? Because it wouldn't have been the same conversation, no? Yeah, I mean, it's the All-Star Game. Oh, I mean, I'm just answering as a fan. He's answering as a player. I would assume. No, you're a straight fan, bro.

But what you'd want to hear, I feel like they wouldn't say, no? I like these reinforced ones you got right here. Those are dope, right? These are dope. I thought they at least should have broadcast the first 10 picks. Would have been fun. And then after that, it could have been a mystery. It wouldn't have been the same conversation that it was going to have when the cameras were not.

The funniest thing was Al Horford was the last pick on one of the teams. And Al Horford's fucking good and he's really fucking great. Yeah, but would you pick him in a streetball game? Depends what my accomplishment is or what I'm trying to do. If you're trying to win or show. If I have a bunch of scores and playmakers around

and I need a glue guy who knows what to do and where to go, I think that's a good one to have. Draymond's in the same kind of boat. You need those guys. Not everybody can shoot all the time. All right, you're on your phone, so we're wrapping this up. I'm not.

You just went on your phone. I'm just checking my text. Reading those blog boys. Reading these blog boys. What did we not cover, Rich? The blog boys. We talked about the blog boys i really do want to run the next one day i'm just being honest i really think rich would really kill it as the

next one oh yeah we should talk tv by the way we'll get we already heard your next campaign what the team that i'm watching that's fucked up tv billions oh oh TV I'm watching Billions I'm watching Atlanta no I'm watching I love Atlanta but I'm watching the Tupac and the that's fucked up

we already did your Nick we did your Nick's campaign we did it already why do you think because I'm black what why do you think you're watching Atlanta

those are the two shows we do recapables on those are our two favorite shows right now because I'm black huh no because it's two favorite shows right now. Because I'm black? Huh? No, because it's a good show. Do you like TV?

I'm watching... I watch The Chi. You watch The Chi? I don't watch The Chi. Black Mirror. Black Mirror is your job. Black Mirror. I watched...

What's the other show I'm watching? I'm watching Unsolved with Tupac and Biggie, which is pretty cool. Oh, I have all those on my DVR. Is that worth it? It's pretty cool, yeah. I like it. All of a sudden, there's a lot of Biggie and Tupac and Biggie, which is pretty cool. Oh, I have all those on my DVR. Is that worth it? It's pretty cool, yeah. I like it. All of a sudden, there's a lot of Biggie and Tupac. I watched Gianni Versace.

I watched that one. I made it all series. That Andrew Kanan was a fucked up dude. Where are you watching that? That was one fucked up guy, right? You gotta watch it on A&E, right? It's six. You'll fly right through it.

It's six or eight episodes I don't know I'm watching the show I thought it was two episodes Billions came on yesterday Silicon Valley came back last night

Barry's good the Bill Hader show it's a hit man who becomes an actor you watched that's Gave a Letterman show with Obama he's got a couple episodes

he's got Jay-Z coming up next week it's like six guests Clooney Clooney I watched the Jerry Soundfield when he's interviewing all the comedians. It's pretty cool. Basketball players watch a lot of TV because you guys are trapped in the

locker rooms all the time. It's not like you should go walk around. We'll just go to the gym and come home. We go to the gym at 8 o'clock in the morning and come home by 11, 12. We don't have shit to do. We'll play video games and watch shows. Were you jealous of Drake's Fortnite thing? No.

Not a little? No. He had like 700,000 people, right? What? He broke the record. Where? Drake is a legend. He should be in the Songwriters Hall of Fame right now.

Have you got him on the pod? Let's get Drake on the pod. Do you want us to help you book for the pod? On Grantland, Drake and Jalen and I did like 35 minutes. Drake was actually a really great guest. Yo, let's get Drake on this pod. Drake is a... He's an incredible... Oh my gosh.

She would love to be on here. Drake was good when we did it with Jalen. This should be the Bill and Kevin pod. Yo, Drake can sit right here where Rich is at. I love you, Rich. But Drake can sit right there. Rich is going to be Running the Knicks Wait hold up Y'all just kicked me

Out the podcast I mean we might have But you know It's for Drake Rich is going to be Running the Knicks Going how the hell Do I trade this

Joe Kim Noah contract How many years left Yo could you run The NBA team I would love it What team Celtics I just think

I don't think I could be A lot worse than a lot of these guys that do it. Who's the worst GM in the league? No, there's a lot of them. Oh, you don't want to say it. Okay. The worst GM in the league right now who's still employed? Mm-hmm. I'll put you in an awkward position if I answer this.

I don't care. Stan Van Gundy. Stop it. Stop. Stop it. No. That Blake Griffin trade was a trade you make if you're worried

you're going to get fired and you do a Hail Mary hoping that if it works you keep your job. You sure he's the worst? If it doesn't work. Yeah, he's up there.

I'm not getting into this. Because I'm going to be a fellow GM in minutes. That's true. That's why I told you it was going to be awkward. But yeah, Blake gave away a lottery pick and Tobias Harris, I mean SVG gave away a lottery pick and took on a giant contract. And I'm not sure Blake and Drummond make any sense at all together.

They didn't build anybody else around them yet. I don't know but hey i appreciate you thank you thank you for answering the question honestly oh no just thank you for having me on oh we're wrapping it up all right we're wrapping it up he wrapped up the podcast well vlog boys hey i appreciate it you just have to give me motivation. Yeah, Bill Simmons is the greatest. Is there anything we missed that I'm going to take shit for that we missed? Who's winning the final four? Villanova.

Loyola, Chicago. Stop. No, Loyola's so fucked up right now. It makes sense. They're going to win. The Sister Jean thing is crazy. Why are you screaming, man? Because I had a couple of glasses on.

Oh, can we talk a few football things on air or not? I don't give a shit. Giants cannot trade Odell Beckham in. You can't. He's great. He's one of the most scary players in the world. I mean, this is getting scary, though, as a Giant fan. Oh, you can try into the scales.

It'll be fine. I don't think it can happen. Try your freaking... Stevie Wonder as your as your cell phone thing? Yeah. Turn your lawnmower, bro.

That was the greatest You can't turn your lawnmower, bro. He's too good. That was the greatest musical moment in Saturday Night Live history. Draymond came to me the other day.

Stevie sang over Joe. Yo, Draymond came to me the other day. He said, who would you take in? Julio, Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham? And you said, I don't rate players, Draymond.

I don't compare players to each other. I got great insight from Richard Sherman. I'll take Julio. You just told me in basketball you hate when people compare players. Yeah, in basketball. Not in football. But football, it's okay. It's cool.

It's their lives, though. So what? That's what they do. Yeah, I'm a fan of football. I'm sorry. All right. Well, that's okay. It's cool. It's their lives, though. So what? That's what they do. Yeah, I'm a fan of football. I'm sorry. All right, well,

that's what we do with basketball. I'm glad we reached common ground. I'm sorry. I think, who is it, Odell,

Julio, and who's third? Antonio Brown. I've gone against all three in important games. Who, you?

You haven't put on no fucking pads. My favorite team. Well, emotionally, I'm with them. Okay, I see. haven't put on no fucking pads? My favorite team. Well, emotionally, I'm with them. Okay, I see. When we played Atlanta

in the Super Bowl, I didn't understand why they didn't throw it to Julio every single time. He can't go every play, we found out. Is that what it is? He played half the possessions.

No, no, no. He goes half speed? No, he's just so big, so physical. He's so big and so physical, he can't play 60, he said 60 plays, right? I was just relieved every time they didn't throw him the ball.

I know. But that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. He was so good. No, it makes sense what you're saying, too, like watching and feeling relieved when he doesn't get the ball. He had a 300-yard game. I mean, he's unstoppable.

But the Giants can't trade Odell Beckham. They just can't. You know where I stand. Oh, my gosh. Here in L.A. Rams. Trade to Atlanta. Here's where I stand. They're going to Atlanta. Oh, my God. Trade to LA. The Rams. Trade to Atlanta. Here's where I stand with this shit.

Don't trade somebody who's, like, one of the best people at their position. Just ever. Unless, like, it's a point and no return. They're leaving. They're out. Like, whatever. I just do not like giving up on that. I agree with you.

It's ridiculous. All right, we're going to wrap it up. Trade to Atlanta. Anything to plug, KD? Yo, blog boys. All right, we're going to wrap it up. Anything to plug, KD? Yo, Blog Boys. All right, blogboys.com. Blogboys.com. I appreciate y'all.

Rich, go buy blogboys.com right after we finish this. We will. Bill, I appreciate you, man. This was fun. This was great. Thank you as always. We underplayed how much we have going on in business, but this is not for now. We led the podcast with it.

We talked about it for 15 minutes. We underplayed it for you. Well, don't worry. You did like five magazine covers. You're right. I'm just saying we underplayed it. We're on fire right now. We're saving this for the next one. No, we underplayed it.

It's over now. Alright, thanks so much to Kevin Durant. Thanks so much to Rich Kleiman. He was in there as well. He is a fantastic third wheel. Thanks to ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. My listeners can try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com. We are off, I think, for the rest of the week on the BS Podcast.

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It seems like people are very very pleased With this doc I don't want to spoil it But we're very happy with how it's going Very excited for everybody to see it And if you live in LA or New York There's a lot of billboards already for Andre so keep an eye on that don't try not to get in a car accident you're looking for them enjoy the weekend we will be back next week I don't have a few years with him

on the wayside on the first I never said I don't have a few years