The Bill Simmons Podcast - Kyler vs. Russ, Rookie QB Stars, Pittsburgh’s Ceiling, and the Putrid Pats With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: October 26, 2020

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss what's shaping up to be an exciting World Series, before recapping some NFL Week 7 games, including the Cardinals' overtime win against the Seahawks, Browns-Bengals, another painful Falcons loss, another Patriots flop, AFC/NFC power rankings, the sad state of the Cowboys, Titans-Steelers, Tom Brady hanging four TDs on the Raiders, and more (2:00). They finish by guessing the NFL lines for Week 8 (48:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah, it was good times. The Raiders offensive line did us a favor by getting COVID. We got the better game in Arizona and Seattle. Thanks to them. Thanks to Cliff Kingsbury for making it exciting multiple times. Thanks to the Dodgers Rays World Series for reigniting baseball. Lots of fun. How about that?

Have you enjoyed this baseball? How much have you watched? I have. I'm watching the whole thing. I got both screens. It feels like a World Series. I think they finally have the crowd noise right. I get that there's a crowd there, but they're also piping in extra noise. I would say, Bill, you're going to argue with me here.

I think Game 4 World Series on par, excitement-wise, with Game five NBA finals. No. Yeah. I certainly memorable, but I think the Dodgers winning tonight kind of knocked it backwards.

Right? Like if, if they lost that game and then lost tonight, now they're down three, two, and then you have the day off. And I think people are like, Oh my God,

doctors, all that stuff. But, uh, well, I got a lot of shit i was like after game four yesterday you know i got it it was an exciting win but i was like did the the rays win the world series like okay people like oh you always go back in your household

man i'm like no i'm fine with them celebrating but that guy philip's running basically sprinting to center field like all right you tied up the series. That's great. But now they're down 3-2. Well, everything has been celebrated and completely over the top way in the entire baseball playoffs. I kind of enjoy it. Let's go back. We'll start last night and then we'll go tonight.

So last night, the Dodgers blow it with the worst guy in the race, basically, comes up because in the over-managing classic that we're having in the world series, he pinch runs for his number three hitter a couple of innings before with two outs runner on second. So then of course that spot comes back. Rosillo pointed out, Jimmy Williams used to do this with move on all the time and I blocked it out of my mind because it was so scarring. Did you have a Mets manager that used to do this? Valentine is praised, but he used to overmanage like that too. Oh my God. So then, so that spot comes back up of course. And it's this guy who's this,

you know, American league cast off basically gets this unbelievable two strike hit center fielder screws up, cut off guy screws up and the catcher blows the tag. You could argue four guys screwed up on one play. Yeah. And it seemed like if they lose this series, that's going to be this iconic play. And then all of a sudden they rented the ship today. They were favored. I think they were like minus 160 to win tonight. And they were also like minus 200 to win this series. So Vegas was not daunted by this.

So no, they're not. I think they believe in Kershaw every time he throws. And by the way, he's looking like, you know, with two wins, he's looking like MVP. And he's got to be praying it doesn't go seven. Obviously, you want to close it out anyway in six. But if he has to have an inning or two in seventh game, right now his credibility, right now his legacy,

he could maybe like shed the monkey off his back and everything. But if it goes seven games and he has to pitch, it's a whole different story. But yeah, you're right on that one play. A Rosarena was like fell down. They had him dead to rights by 30 feet. And it was wildness. That guy Phillips was on the Royals like 40 days ago.

I know. You could argue Glass now is the MVP of the Dodgers. I guess so. He had two starts. He's like terrified in both starts. Well, I don't think the Rays will go away. I actually so. He had two starts. He's looked terrified in both starts. Well, I don't think the Rays will go away. I actually think game six will be another good one. It's been, it's been fun.

So then simultaneously you have this Kyler versus Russ and FC West. We'll be seeing this many times over the next decade battle. And it looks like Seattle has it in hand. Arizona is going to kick a field goal to go up, to go down seven with like three minutes left. Seattle's going to run at the clock. And this bizarre unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, all of a sudden, Arizona has new life. They cut it to three. Seattle doesn't close the door. We get the last second field goal. And then it goes to OT. And it was some of the most bizarre coaching

we've had all year, right? Maybe number one. No one deserved to win the game. Well, first of all, you got like Metcalf chasing down Buda Baker, right? And that was like the play of the year. So you think like, okay, Seattle's going to win. We're going to remember that game. Hey, remember that Sunday night game when Metcalf ran faster than Daniel Jones, but they made him like he was slower somehow and they won the game. But, and that was a huge difference, almost definitely a 14 point difference in a way you could look at it as a

21 point difference, but I get it. Uh, and then, yeah, like the, the Cardinals are down 10 points and Kingsbury's not even hustling to the line until like three and a half minutes left.

It's like, you're going to get Wilson the ball back here. They get lucky, like you said, with the unsportsmanlike conduct. They cut it to three. And then I'm not even sure what happened there. But three handoffs to Carlos Hyde. Like, why is on third and two? Why isn't it not run pass option to Russ?

If anything, that takes more time off the clock. And if there's nothing nothing you're punting anyway as it was they punted in the end zone and and murray drove down and they uh and they tied it it was bizarre and then well then you go to ot yeah so seattle's d is dead collinsworth's talking about it's like oh my god i i i've just never seen seattle this tired how could you never seen it how the hell could you tell when their defense is dead? It's so bad always. Two guys had their heads at our knees.

He's never seen it. So it's like, this is great. Murray gets sniffed out at second and 15 because he gets stuffed on a little. And then Kingsbury is like, that's it. We're going to go for a 41-yarder now. There's like two and a half minutes left. Seattle has two timeouts left. It's not a guarantee.

It's on the left hash mark. Even if you just did two sneaks where you just killed the clock, so somehow you missed it, Seattle would have less time. So then, of course, he misses it. It seems like the dumbest thing ever. And then Russ kind of gacks. And I think Russ might have lost his MVP lead tonight, right? He threw, what, three picks?

Two bad ones. It's kind of what Rodgers did last week, and his odds went way up since then. But, yeah, it was very strange. And, like, everyone had, like, an off day. I love Collinsworth and Michaels. But, you know, Christian Kirk goes out of bounds at the 38 to tie it, you know, when they're trying to tie it. And he's like, they're not, they're out of

field goal range. He should have picked up three more yards. And Al's like, that's right. They're at the 30. Yeah, this makes it a 58-yard field goal. I'm like, what? Why do they have to go back 20 yards? What are you doing? So then they get some yards and they kick on second down. And like if for no other reason,

do it on fourth down. Maybe take some time off from don't let Ross have the ball back if they lose or if they miss the field goal. But then, like you said, Ross throws the interception to the Clemson kid and they're right back in business. I think math, you know, you could make a case. It's made sports more fun with some of these crazy decisions. Yeah.

But math is almost in baseball and in football has led to some of the strangest things we've seen. We're saying, nope, the math says kick it now. Right. Second and 15. Knock it in. Great chance. Like, no, actually, this doesn't make sense.

The other team's defense can't move. You could run any running back on your team. You're going to get seven yards. So crazy. I mean, I was ready to come on here make a case that pete carroll although it sounds improbable is the luckiest coach in football even having lost a crazy super bowl to you guys what he did i was like he just the way they take they rely on wilson so much and they should but then take it out of his hands when they shouldn't it's it's very strange the way they operate i feel like they could lose like in the

first round the playoffs or early just because this defense is going to, yeah, you're going to be required to be in a slugfest every game. I hate the who's the MVP conversation as we talk about every year. It's just way too early. Can't do it until week 15.

With that said, Russ was the prohibitive favorite. Yeah. And we are now heading into, what was that? Was that week seven? That was seven, right? Yep. Yeah, so are now heading into what was that that was that week seven that was seven right yeah yeah so we're heading into week eight and we don't have an mvp favorite in my opinion do you think we have an mvp i don't think because i do not i always thought rogers

if we must have the conversation was undervalued and then he had a shit game against tampa but they brought it back uh today i don't know it's's not Lamar Jackson. Patrick Mahomes struggled to throw a touchdown, though his numbers are excellent if you look at it. They're underrated. But let's just go with our guy Aaron Donald. Why not? Aaron Donald. Derrick Henry is, I think, more in the mix now.

Oh, yeah. Just week to week how valuable he is. And then I got to say, Tampa Bay, if you are factoring in the fact that when he went there, how valuable he is. And then I got to say, Tampa Bay. Yeah. If you are factoring in the fact that when he went there, it made Gronk sign there. Now they get Antonio Brown. Like he brings other players with him.

That's true. That should be part of an MVP case. Well, I do. I think it's wide open. I think you have to wait. If Antonio Brown shoots up the locker room, then maybe Tom takes a hit there. Yeah.

Yeah. Who knows? He's going to takes a hit there. Yeah, who knows? He's going to be a model citizen. The reason I brought it up, though, is I'm sure the odds are going to come out tomorrow. I think there's going to be good value on people in that 5-9 range. Honestly, Kyler Murray, if you told me, gun to your head, is it impossible that Kyler Murray would win the MVP this year? I'd be like, it's not impossible right they could go like 11 and 5 and he could you know throw for 4 000 yards and rush for 900 and have a combined 40 i don't know yeah i think it's wide open it was 20 to 1 in the beginning of the year and then uh yeah he went down a little bit yeah i mean

there's like still five or six i thought we say we hate talking about it and here we are talking about it's not even halfway through. Well, to me, it's more like, who's the season's alpha dog. I think the MVP is the trophy, but it's like, it's a weird seat. Cause I was doing my power pole. It's the first time I hadn't done it. And I was doing it during the games today. And I would say the top two thirds of the league is pretty good. You know, like, cause even like I have like my 16 through 20 teams are Cleveland, Carolina, Detroit,

the chargers in Las Vegas, all of whom can make the playoffs. Sure. Make the playoffs and beat any good team on a given day randomly. Right? Like Las Vegas beat a good team this year. The chargers have been toe to toe with two contenders and you got, and then it just drops. Then you go 21 to 32, which I have, uh, you know, Denver is 21 all the way down the jets.

We can talk about that later, but I do think it's, it's a friskier league. Cause if you, if you say like, who are the favorites, I have Casey, Pitt, Tampa, and Baltimore in the top four. But the drop off from those four to where you go to like 11 through 14, Indy, Arizona, San Francisco, the Rams is not that much of a drop off. I don't know whether if COVID has to do with this, the fact that there's been less practice or the league's just more even. What do you think it is? Yeah, I don't know what it is, but yeah, you're right.

I don't think it was this stack, this top heavy. You wouldn't count on a seven seed beating a one seed, but it really could happen if Arizona made it. Arizona beat Seattle. They could beat any of those NFC West teams at home. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't take the packers out of the top five there yet i think they're still as good as anybody but uh afc is still better i i want to know now that it looks like and i don't know if you're ready to talk about it the patrons aren't going to make the

playoffs who will do that after i just want to know like one of those teams the colts um is going to grab that seven seed right well one one of those teams you just mentioned. Chargers, maybe. Yeah, let's do that now. So, the top seven in the AFC, Pitt, KC, Tennessee, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cleveland, Indy. So, two kind of just not impressive teams there. Cleveland almost can't,

they almost can't not make it now, right? How many wins they have? I got to say, I think there's a case for Miami with Tua. To me, Tua, I wouldn't call them a sleeper because sleeper insinuates that they could actually win the Super Bowl. But I do think they're sleepery as a 5-6-7 seed because Fitzpatrick, he had a couple good games, a couple lousy ones. But when you think about the rookie QBs

and how good Burrow and Herbert have been, and if two is even close, like 80% to 90% of what those guys have given their teams, I think Miami's got a lot of talent. Oh, sure. Not a ridiculously tough schedule either. I'm just looking at those five and two teams thinking some of them might just need to have three more wins

the rest of the way to make it. Well, Cleveland, if Odell, we find out, I guess, tomorrow. That looked bad, though. Yeah. I think people get mad at Cleveland because they're fantasy teams. Like when Baker throws to Higgins and Peoples-Jones and this guy Bryant, and they're like,

I don't have any of those guys in my fantasy. They get mad. They automatically hate Baker even more. Baker was great today. As soon as Odell went out of the game, he was throwing dimes. He also gave us the first time I've been on the right side

of a cover, I think, all season. I had the Browns tied to way too much action today. That was crazy. The Browns and the Lions ending was probably about a minute and a half apart. And you were either like pulling your hair out or doing laps around the block after that. Oh, I was going to save that,

but we should talk about that now. The Browns, I do feel like the Browns won it. Like they, you know, if they had caught that, that guy dropped the interception. Right, right. Burrow threw right to one of the Browns won it. Like they, you know, if they had caught that, that guy dropped the interception, right. Right. Bro. Throw right to one of the Browns.

Yeah. Backs. And he just dropped it. And if he catches that, he goes down the sidelines. They win. As it turns out, they go back and forth a couple of times.

And Baker Cincinnati, just their defense is awful. They just couldn't stop anything. The Detroit Atlanta game was a different story. Atlanta, that game's over. If Gurley just falls down, Atlanta wins. And he knew it, but it was like his knees

just couldn't stop. He's done it before where he stopped short, right? Every fantasy owner wants to strangle him. But now he has less knee ligaments. I think his knees just couldn't pull it off. As soon as they wrote in a touchdown, didn't you think the same thing? I thought it was like, oh my God, Detroit's going to win. That's it knee ligaments. I think these just couldn't pull it off. And as soon as they wrote in a touchdown, didn't you think the same thing?

I thought it was like, oh my God, Detroit's going to win. That's it. Of course they're coming down. There's no way Detroit's not winning this now. This is the dumbest thing ever. Do we get? It's so weird. There's no other sport like this where an opportunity presents itself

where a touchdown, which is the holy grail in football, will hurt your team. Now, here are the guys that like, um, you know, you've heard about like rain delays, like, Hey, it's starting to rain and we're up five runs. So maybe strike out. So we get to the, make it official game. That's the only thing that I was like kind of close, but these guys who are running, you know, they're playing for bonuses and everything. And girly, I don't know. It's just probably hard. It just goes against your nature to stop at the one yard

line. And we saw it in Penn State, Indiana too. It happened twice this week and worked out and Stafford going all the way down. My God, the Falcons, how do they do it? How do they do it every week? Well, one guy held back. There was two guys that had a chance to tackle him. One guy was going to tackle him, just pulled up, which was actually smart. The other guy was trying to tackle him. And I think that confused Gurley. Right, it did. Gurley's trying to break away from the guy and he breaks away. And it's like, oh, touchdown. Oh, wait, I can't score. And he falls down. You break a tackle, you want to keep going, right? You don't want to tumble over to the half yard line. Yeah, that was a hilarious picture of the Lions being like, no, come on, he's in.

Come on. Looking at the refs was very weird. I haven't seen a team like this Falcons team that I can remember in a long time. That's one in six that has lost. Now, what is it? Four? Four of the worst losses. All different ways, too.

I remember there was a Patriots team when I was a kid. It was like, we ended up getting number one pick. But remember there was a Patriots team when I was a kid. It was like, we ended up getting number one pick. But we lost on a Hail Mary. It was like one of those seasons where it was just like every way you could lose, you lost. And that's what this Atlanta team is. We're going to talk about cross-off teams later. I don't know whether we crossed them off or just pronounced the last rights on the franchise.

Oh, yeah. Between that and the Braves and Luke Adonis, like Atlanta. It's so bad because they, yeah, they, you know, as a Cowboys fan, I think like, oh, my team suffers the worst losses. And today wasn't one of them, thank God. It's just, I'd much rather it be today the way it happened today. And the Chargers have a shitty kicker. That's been their story. Not this year, but in years past.

But Atlanta goes all different ways to lose. You can't just bet. You can't just blame Matt Ryan. You can't just blame Gurley. You can't just blame the coaching or the defense or a kicker. It's all intertwined. Everyone gets their shot. We're going to talk about the NFC and the Pats and Cowboys

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All right, so NFC top seven teams. Chicago, Seattle, Green Bay, Tampa, Arizona, Rams, Saints. And then you have the 49ers, Lions, and Panthers. And then you have the 49ers Lions and Panthers and then you have the Eagles who have to make the playoffs one of the NFC's teams has to make the playoffs just giving you

Cardinals Rams Saints 49ers Lions Panthers I guess only two of those teams can make it so I'm going to give you the two again. Arizona Rams, Saints, Niners, Lions, Panthers. I think out of those

teams, I think I like Arizona the most. And I think I like the Rams the second most. I think there's a world in which the Saints don't make the playoffs. I continue to be unimpressed by them. So for that to happen. Tampa wins the division.

Tampa wins the division. Nobody from the North. Nobody from the East, obviously. And you take all the teams from the West. So you would have to. I think you would have to have Packers, Bears. Oh, Bears too. And then you would have to have three NFC West teams.

Right. Oh, yeah, that could happen. Yeah, I wasn't impressed with the Saints. I had money on them. This is why people make fun of us for betting money line parlays, but it became apparent very early that the Saints didn't give a shit about covering six and a half or seven. They just wanted to win the game, just dump off to Kamara.

Somehow they're talking about Michael Thomas could be on the trade block this week. That's a huge goddamn mistake. Huge mistake. You got to stretch the field. Takes them forever to score. They're going to have games like they are. The home field isn't going to matter. They're going to have games like they did today against the Panthers

like it can be 27-24 if they're lucky on the lucky end of it. The Thomas thing was weird. It seems like he wants to get traded, and it seems like there's way more bad blood than maybe nobody's written the Adrian Wojnarowski type, here's what's actually going on here story yet, but I feel like somebody will this week.

But it seems like it's not good. If that dude's available, that guy had 149 catches last year. It's so different when he's in there. You don't have to worry about putting Taysom Hill at quarterback on third and seven. Like, it just, you move the chains more easily. And I don't know, Kamara, God bless him. You talk about MVPs, like, he moves the chains like nobody else's business. But his durability could be called in question at some point.

Well, they remind me, remember last year with the Pats, I was always comparing them to a soccer team where it was like the 11 pass possession to try to get a shot on goal. Everything was so slow. Their time of possession, they show the stat. At one point, with five minutes left, it was like

New Orleans, 35 minutes, Carolina, 20. You would just see that and be like, Oh, they must be killing them. And it's like, no, not really. Like they give a big plays and they get the ball back and it takes them

forever to go down the field. Right. Not that explosive. Come here. Come here. Just repeatedly bails them out at every third and seven or 39, whatever. But,

and then you're watching the other way you're watching watching Teddy Two Gloves takes them right down the field. Like, oh, no, that's because they have DJ Moore. It's like, what the hell's going on here? They don't even have their best player in the lineup, and they're going first down for first down here. I do think Arizona's found something the last couple weeks. I thought against your team, their team speed on defense. Now, granted, you have one of the worst offensive lines in football.

How dare you? How dare you? But their teams, their defensive kind of swagger came back a little bit. Yeah. In that game, which at least like they're not going to be the 85 Bears, but at least they can get a stop every once in a while and send a blitz from the right side, all that stuff. Much smaller level, a little Ewing theory thing going on with Chandler Jones being out

and these other guys stepping up. you know fair buda baker's like screw this and peterson and all these other guys and we saw isaiah simmons today but yeah yeah they're decent they're just dumb like kingsbury's like just stupid sometimes right these coaches i don't i don't trust any of them kyler's magnificent and i've had him on both fantasy teams all year. He's just like my guy this year. And I just love him. He gets the 30 points every week. He pulls three plays a game out of his ass.

He has ignited Hopkins. Oh, yeah. And Kirk, too, and Fitzgerald. I think that team's good. I think that team is a team to watch the next four to five weeks. It's not a team that needs to be kicking field goals on second down from 44 yards, right? I'm just like, that's...

No. All those names you just mentioned. And Edmonds is reeling off chunks of yardage running downhill. Metcalf couldn't even catch him if he wanted to, and then he kicked. It drove me nuts. Brady looked really good today. I got to say, I was hard on him earlier he wanted to. And then they kicked. It drove me nuts. Brady looked really good today. I got to say, I was hard on him

earlier in the year. And granted, you know, Raiders, again, not a team with a great pass rush or anything, but he first three quarters, that was as good as he's looked all season. Fourth quarter, he faded. He started missing throws. But he threw some dimes. That throw to Scotty Miller was about

as good as we've seen in years, right? 35 yards. Yeah, it looked like three years ago, Brady. Honestly, he didn't look like that last year. I don't feel like he looked like that earlier this year. And then, you know, who knows if the Antonio Brown thing is going to work or not. But if you're just putting Antonio Brown in that Scottie Miller spot, Scottie Miller is open like six times a game. Yeah.

And I don't know what's going on with Evans this year. Do you have any theories on that? Because he's officially a fantasy murderer. I don't know, but he's not going to be, I mean, could he get fewer targets when Antonio Brown's in the lineup? Is he just being prepared for the future?

It doesn't open, but could it open the field up for him? Maybe I don't, I don't understand it. I don't know. But the big takeaway is they could be a 40-point team most weeks now going forward. He finally figured out the offense, I think. It's scary.

It's got to make you upset. It just has to. I do feel a little spiteful about it, yeah. Especially as, let's talk about our two shitty teams. Do we have cross-off teams? Are our teams cross-offs after week seven? a little spiteful about it. Yeah. Especially as, as a, let's talk about our two shitty teams. Uh, do we have cross off teams or our teams cross offs after week seven? No, we can't.

Oh, my first of all, let's talk about your terrible team first. Has anybody ever felt worse about their team heading into a week eight when they're half a game out of first place than Cowboys fans? You're half game out of first place. You're awful. You're a top three worst team. I know you want to do top

three, and I think you put us, we were talking about this with House over text. Do you dare to put us third worst? Who the hell is worse than us? Than the Cowboys? I think Jets and Jacksonville are worse. Jacksonville's given up 30 plus points a game for six straight weeks. They're

the worst defense. Their defense is worse than yours. I think they, but they can compete for a half. The Jets can compete for a half. Dallas is out of it before you even, plus who even knows who's quarterback now? DiNucci or Gilbert. I don't know what they're going to do.

Was DiNucci the guy from All the Right Moves? Was it DiNucci? I think he was. The guy who fumbled? Yeah. He went to jail? DiNucci, the seventh rounder from James Madison. He made he was. The guy who fumbled. Yeah. He went to jail. Danucci. The seventh rounder from James Madison. He made it to the movies.

Yeah. Can you trade for Jameis? Why can't you trade for Jameis? I was looking at that. And everything I read on it is they'd have to give up like a third rounder. It's like, okay. You could win the division potentially. Yeah. Why not?

Maybe. I don't know. With Jameis. Then the other names. You got the Sean Kaiser. So, so is out there. Kaiser. So, so is available.

Kaiser. So, so is out there. Shea Patterson, the old Michigan quarterback, true Stanton, true Anderson. Do I not even remember him? Is that, was that a Carolina guy? Who the hell is drew Anderson? Panthers. Don't remember that one.

Sam. Sam. He was probably on the Brown. He had to be on the Browns. But then they say a guy like Trubisky, you'd have to give up at least a second round of four. I was like, what? You have to give up less for Winston? Everything I read said the same thing about

Trubisky. No, no, no. You've got to empty the purse. Sam Darnold? Oh, yeah. If you're picking off other teams, I'm just thinking, yeah. It doesn't really matter because the Cowboys have nine players that shouldn't be in And Darnold? Oh, yeah. If you're picking off other teams, I'm just thinking. Yeah. I don't know. It doesn't really matter because the Cowboys have nine players that shouldn't be in the NFL right now.

So the offensive line is terrible. Like you said, the defense gives up way too many points. Even the good players don't tackle anymore. It's really, really sad to watch. Your linebackers and your offensive line are the worst in the league at those positions. I agree. We went in 18 months.

We went from having the best to having guys who were out of position, undrafted players on the offensive line. But the thing that gets me crazy is Joe Burrow puts up three touchdowns. He finds a way to make his team score three touchdowns, and he gets freaking hammered every other time he drops back. So that's what gets me nuts. Having money against that dude, he's terrifying. Right. He finds these little ways to create two feet to the right, two feet to the left, a little scramble, daylight, just to buy himself an extra second, and then just throws a perfect pass to somebody in stride

over and over again. Or maybe he'll just scramble and scramble for eight yards. That guy's great. He is. And I think Herbert is fantastic. So good. He's so impressive. I'm telling you, I'm to make that like my second favorite

team like the team i don't have money on i try not to have any of fantasy players with that if i'm going against them i can't help it but you know it's like all right if they're losing they're losing but it's so fun to watch them scramble on third and three their defense plays well you know keenan allen catch passes it's a lot of fun. Do you think Miami regrets not stabbing Fitzpatrick puncturing his lung with a needle to get to him in six weeks sooner? I think the Chargers really created something here. Yeah, no, but I think that had to be prearranged, right?

The Dolphins, like two was coming in after our bye week. No questions asked, right? It's not like he was. I don't know. I thought Fitz was bad in that Jets game. In the Jets game? Yeah, he, even though they won thought Fitz was bad in that Jets game. In the Jets game? Yeah. Even though they won, he was bad in that game. Oh, back away. Yeah.

But if you're 3-3, you got to sit if that's the agreement. I remember Dak did this with Romo and I was going crazy. I was just waiting for the guy to lose and he wouldn't. And eventually, they're like, hey, he's like 8-1. Romo's got to sit. It's like, shit, I can't even really argue this.

Can Romo come back, by the way? What's he weighing in in these days? I told him last week was the time. Get down from that booth. When he was calling the game. Yeah. You need three months. Your team is really terrible.

They're the worst. My team, I think, might be secretly terrible. Yeah. Watching today, it's like any team that's physical, like that Niners team that can just run the ball and just put you on your heels. We have no front seven at all. They just, they just completely demolished us. We only have one receiver that can get open and our quarterback either throws it over his head or bounces it to him. Cam, Cam played the worst game by a Patriots quarterback that I can remember since I was in college. Right. The Mark Wilson, Tommy Hudson year, whatever year that was one in 15,

Mark Wilson had a couple of games. Like the one cam had today where I, that was the year I started gambling. Right. Cause it was like, I just can't spend the rest of my life rooting for this shit team. I need to, I can bet on other teams. I can start rooting for them. Uh, he was so bad and I don't know whether to blame is, is he hurt? Is it the COVID thing? Like what happened? What happened to this guy from the Seattle game? Where is he? Well, but I don't want to blame the quarterbacks all that much. I know cam was bad and I know Dalton couldn't move. And you know, the easy fix is to say, Oh, Dak gets all the money he wants next year. But I I've now seen this for a few weeks. This has to be the first time you've seen your team get

bullied on both offensive and defensive line. And when was the last time it might be the same time like college, but you're going to see all the stats and trends. Like this is the first time the Pats have lost three in a row since whenever. And it's going to be like, oh my God, that's such a long time ago. But when were you so bullied that you were like, oh man, I have to watch two and a half more hours of this. Right? Like, doesn't that suck? Like when you don't have a chance like that, that's what I felt like was the weirdest part of this Belichick game. Yeah, it was 20 years ago. It was Bledsoe's last full year. But I think you're giving

Cam a free pass. He couldn't have been worse. And I'm waiting for them to tell us what's wrong. Is his shoulder hurt? Is he having COVID after effects? What the hell was that? Watching that play-by-play,

watching him either sail passes over somebody's head, throw grounders, or just throw it right to the other team. He was absolutely abominable and they should have pulled him a quarter before they did, but it's just weird because he looked like Superman in that Seattle game. And I would have given him a five-year deal. And four years later, I'm like, Oh my God, what do we do? And I have, I'm going to do this quick. I swear I'm going to make this two minutes. The real problem with this Pats is the drafts. He just has not done well. These are all of our first round picks from 2011 to 2020. Nikhil Harry, Isaiah Wynn, Sonny Michelle, Malcolm Brown, Dominic Easley, Dante Hightower, Chandler Jones, Nate Solder. None of those guys are impact players this year. Hightower would have been the one,

but he's not playing this year. Second round picks from 11 to 20, Kyle Duggar, Josh Uch, Juwan Williams, Duke Dawson, Cyrus Jones, Jordan Richards, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jamie Collins, Tavon Wilson, Aaron Dobson, Rasai Dowling, and Shane Vereen. So this is now a decade of them just whiffing on the two most important rounds of the NBA draft and the NFL draft. Yeah. And we knew this was happening. He was always patching together and he'd make trades. Plus they lost, they lost the first rounder for DeFleke and they traded a second rounder for Muhammad Sanu, who is no longer in the league. I was on text threads about this with Hanch and J-Bo, a couple of my Pats friends. You'd be like, do you know Muhammad Sanu's not in the league? We traded a second rounder for eight months

ago, 10 months ago. I don't want to come to Belichick and his draft dogs defense, but number one, your, your first round picks are basically a second round pick for almost all those years, right? You're so late in the first round, your second round picks are almost a third round pick. And the other thing is it just never mattered. It never used to matter until a few years ago, right? Like he could swing and whiff on these picks and you could put cornerbacks out there. He could put wide receivers playing cornerbacks and it all just kind of worked out. Right. But now what's your record. You're two and two.

This is my point. Yeah. My point is this, and I know they trade back. I know they do a lot of chicken or I know they've got guys in third, fourth rounds. They don't have impact dudes on the team. And when you watch a game like today and you see somebody like Debo Samuel,

who FY they could have drafted last year, they didn't, they just don't have impact guys anymore. And they didn't last year either. And this was, you could feel this coming. I think they're four and eight in their last 12 games dating back to last year. It feels right. That feels like the right record.

I look around. I'm like, all right, secondary is good. Other than that, what are the strengths of this team? I don't know. I think it's going to get worse. I don't mean to sound like sky is falling, dude, but I just don't know where the talent is, especially when you're watching some of these other teams. And then you think like Kansas city, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, these teams that have just reloaded

with young talent every year. And they haven't been able to do it. The last their 2017 draft here were the four picks, Derek Rivers, Antonio Garcia, Dietrich Wise Jr., Connor McDermott. They made a couple of trades, but basically those are the four new guys they brought in that year. And those are the guys that should be like

the best players on the team now, you know, from three years ago. Yeah. And just like, they whiffed. So I just think- They would always, what you would do in that third and fourth round is you'd bring in football players.

You know, it wasn't necessarily athletes, but they were freaking hard-nosed football players, and they figured out how to play in his scheme, which was a no-nonsense scheme. But those teams you just mentioned, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Kansas City, they light it up at the skill positions, boy. They do it through the draft, and it's not even like Belichick's going to do it in free agency. He's going to throw you a bone because he doesn't do very well there. It just kind of made sense. But I still don't think, I'm not going to say you're not out of it.

You got at Buffalo, at Jets, and then versus Baltimore. Then it's not awful after that. I really don't think. I know. I looked at it too. You're not going to run the table, but you could be like six and eight fighting for a playoff spot. Well, the one bright spot has been Harris, the running back,

who I actually think is good. But they're not going to do anything unless one of the quarterbacks shows up. And Stidham doesn't have it. I just don't see it. Right. I don't see any glimpses. So it's not going to be him. Cam, I don't know what happened

hopefully he can turn it around but man it's you got you got to beat the jets you got one more against the jets you got one or two more against the jets and you have one more against the dolphins listen everything ends badly this is how sports works i was texting with the j-bug today and i was like we had the the most unbelievable 20 years Like this, it had to end this way with us getting annihilated by the Niners. This is too much clear thinking. I don't like that. I like when you're upset more, but I appreciate it.

I was trying to think like, if you're the Pats, you don't have enough talent. Are you buyers or sellers right now? For this week? Cause you're lying. No, just in general. Like with the trade deadline coming up, your linebackers are so slow.

You're not going to beat any sort of power team. You have no chance. He's not helping anyone out. I mean, they're not going to be sellers. He's not selling off any piece that he thinks is going to help anybody. Let's take one more break and then a couple more quick things to go through.

Herbert or Burrow, really quickly. Burrow's over 2,000 yards already. It's nine TDs, five picks. Remember, I think House bet it. I decided not to bet it because I was afraid of the COVID with the overs, but his touchdown over-under was 21 and a half, I think. Yeah, right.

What is he at now? He's going to beat that. He's at nine. He's going to he'll get to 30 unless he gets hurt. You just had to pick the right rookie because one, I think only one out of the four rookie quarterbacks last year went over their touchdown total. And it's usually under. But yeah, but this might be like a special class.

Herbert's at 1542 yards, 12 TDs, three picks. Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. look, I've been making the case I've been making the case that you don't have to pay your quarterback $40 million like every draft, there's 3 or 4 guys you gotta figure out who they are

but they're out there, and most starting quarterbacks in the league are good, we've not seen this many good starting quarterbacks, now the problem is you're gonna get Andy Dalton, you're gonna get Case Keenum is gonna show up you're gonna see the backup, so they're not 50 good quarterbacks. Now the problem is you're going to get Andy Dalton. You're going to get case. Keenum is going to show up. You're going to see the backup. So they're not 50 good quarterbacks,

but there's 30, 32, 34. Jamis. What did you learn from Steelers Titans? Cause that was the most important game today from a playoff standpoint. I think the Steelers are the most balanced team. I really are.

That's my takeaway as well. Right? Like Chase Claypool, a guy who scores four touchdowns a couple weeks ago. Like, okay, we'll probably need him. Most teams would need that guy to produce. Like, no, he did nothing this week. Right? Devin Bush, the linchpin of that defense out, like play call or everything.

I don't want to say he did nothing, but first three quarters of that game, the Titans weren't moving the ball at all. Steelers were great. Ben was 13 of 18 on third down. That to me is a team that's long for the playoffs and long for January. They might lose to Baltimore this week, but

they're very good on both sides of the ball. They're enjoyable to watch. Titans not bad either to claw back in there, though, I'll say. It was really good showing for both teams, I think. Titans. Yeah. There was a moment in that game where if the Titans had rolled over, I don't think either of us would have been surprised, right?

Because they're a team that doesn't necessarily want to be behind by 20. They like to have a lead. A little like the playoffs last year. But then Brown, huge play. Swung a lead a little late to playoffs last year but then Brown huge play, swung the momentum a little they had another big drive and then all of a sudden it actually felt like they were going to win it

yeah, that's what I mean Roethlisberger threw three interceptions and it was still like a powerful Steelers win so my fear with the Steelers I think their running game is pretty pedestrian Con Connor's okay. But in terms of them being up 10 in the fourth quarter, putting a game away, I don't really trust their running game. And I don't 100% trust Ben anymore.

Really? I think he's a little sloppy. I thought that pick that he threw, they were putting the game away at that point. That was a chance. He threw in a double coverage. He threw in double coverage. It was a bad play. And he had a couple of those today. But I think he's at the stage of his career. I still think he's really good.

You know what they do? There's three plays a game, and he kind of fucks up. And we hear about that. I'm not making this up. We've heard this all. There's a huge difference between third and three and third and seven. They seem to get to the third and threes. And then just something little to Juju Schuster and he figures something out with his feet and he lunges for the first down.

They do that so well. They really do. That's the kind of thing. As bad as Ben was with three picks, he kept the drives moving. Pittsburgh, Tennessee, KC. How do you rank those three? Oh, and Baltimore. Let's go those four. One, two, three, four. I How do you rank those three? Oh, and Baltimore. Let's go those four.

One, two, three, four. I'm going to look stupid, right, when the Ravens win this week, but I'm going to go Pittsburgh. I think Pittsburgh would beat Kansas City, and then Baltimore third, and then Tennessee fourth. Are we missing anyone? That has to be the four, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I guess that's what it is. What do you have? I has to be the four, right? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I have Pittsburgh. I have Pittsburgh one as well. KC 2A, Baltimore 2B, Tennessee four. Well, KC beat Baltimore pretty handily. That's the only reason I would do it. I know. It was early in the year.

I got you. But yeah. So we both agree. Pittsburgh's in pole position right now. Yeah. Fun thing. Washed watch. Brady, I'm removing him. He was throwing dimes today.

Can't put him in there anymore. It's so funny. You let a text that wasn't supposed to go to me bleed to another chain. And you're like, Brady's throwing the ball well. Like, oh, look at that. Yeah. You were finally praising him. Like, oops, that wasn't meant for you guys.

Rivers was at a bye this week. Breeze, he's not on his last legs, but when Michael Thomas isn't out there, he looks a little more ordinary. Roethlisberger

has his moments. I'm going to put Belichick on here. Roethlisberger has his moments. I'm going to put Belichick on here. Wash, watch Bill Belichick. Wow. No kidding. You could do that. He's like 70.

His kids are his two kids on the coaching staff. Maybe that, maybe he felt like he, he, the CRD at his victory lap. Is there room for Mike McCarthy? No, there's no room for Mike.

No matter what, there's no room for Mike McCarthy room No matter what, there's no room for Mike McCarthy. Wow. Is there room? If everyone moved over like a lot, could they make room for Mike McCarthy? Who could you have hired? Well, we could have interviewed Matt Rule. We could have.

I like Matt Rule. We could have. Those guys are all out there. I don't know. Look, I go back and forth. He can't be that bad a coach. He went to the Super Bowl. I know he couldn't take Aaron Rodgers back to the Super Bowl,

but Don Shule couldn't take Marino to the Super Bowl, and he's one of the greatest ever. I don't know what happened. It's just the whole thing exploded. You literally don't have an offensive line. No. Crossoffs. So we've already crossed off the Jets,

Jaguars, and Bengals, right? Just do it. Just cut me, Mick. Cut me. Cowboys. Your half came out. I don't care. Cut me. Falcons or Texans? I have the Falcons. I think it's unrecoverable. Because the Bucs are going to pull away now, right?

Yeah. Well, and also the NFC is deep. In that weird 5-10 range. So they'd have to vault too many teams. So I think we cross off the Falcons. If they beat Carolina, they play Carolina Thursday night. You sure you want to? Yes.

Okay. All right. I'm fine crossing them off. They're not six to? Yes. Okay. All right. I'm fine crossing them off. They're not six losses. Speaking of cut me, Mick, tomorrow night on the rewatchables, Rocky 4. Oh! You, me, Kyle Brandt, we taped it on Friday.

It was an immense amount of fun. What a fun time, right? A hundred minutes. What a movie. What a movie. I'm so glad we did it. And the marathon was on yesterday. I ended up watching two and a half more Rockies yesterday with the kids. Oh a movie. I'm so glad we did it. And the marathon was on yesterday. I ended up watching two and a half more Rockies yesterday with the kids. Oh, man. So good.

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Wow. Guess the lines. Week eight. What's the record? I want to I want to think about this you had New England and New Orleans

and New Orleans made the conference championship and uh what the hell was the Super Bowl last year it was San Francisco

so I had San Francisco 3 Green Bay 4 Kansas City 5 5 okay what was Kansas City's record so 3 and 5 ended up making it

they were 5 and 2 at that point and Mahomes hadn't gotten hurt yet, right? It was right around there. Yeah. I had Indianapolis as the sleeper at four and two. Yeah. And then Brissette got hurt and that fell asleep.

Yeah. All right. Thursday night. Thursday night. Carolina is home after a battle against the Saints. This is going to sound corny. I really am happy for Teddy Bridgewater. I always think that like twice a year.

Don't you think that? Like that injury he had, there's just no way he should be playing football again. Right. And he was really good today, I thought. And he's been good in general. And that was a good signing. And I always feel happy for that guy.

I did too. They were the best losers today, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, for people who didn't see it, Joey Sly tried a 65-yarder. Just missed. Yeah, that's as close as you can miss without hitting the upright. Yep, so straight on.

Yeah. The angle they were showing, it seemed like it was good. And then when they did the not good, it was like, what? I thought it was crazy, but then I'm like, yeah, no fans in a dome. This guy's got a leg. Let him try it. It would have been the record.

So we got Panthers-Falcons Thursday night. I'm going with the Panthers by four and a half. All right, you edged me out here. I said five. Why is this three? See, this is what I mean. God bless you. We can cross them off. They're not making the playoffs, but does someone know anything about this three? See, this is what I mean. God bless you. We can cross them off.

They're not making the playoffs, but someone know anything about this game? Someone knows something. I think the Falcons get weird respect from gamblers and Vegas just takes advantage of it every week. Yeah. Don't you think? Like they were favored by two over Detroit today,

although I guess they should have won. Right, right, right right right right yeah they do get respect Sunday's marquee game is a really good one is interesting we were just talking about that top four AFC Baltimore at home for the Steelers Baltimore coming off a

bye week Steelers coming off a really nice win against Tennessee and I think this is a classic Ravens by three I said three also? It's five and a half. So maybe we're wrong about our power ratings. At least Vegas thinks

we are. No. I think we have the right rating. I think this should be a three-point game. Yeah. Okay. I think Baltimore is a smidge overrated personally. You do? Well, they beat up the bad teams. At this point of the season.

They beat the bad teams up. Yeah, for sure. I would love to see this on Sunday night instead of my crappy, crappy, crap-ass Cowboys and Eagles. That's such a bad Sunday night game. Just move Baltimore-Pittsburgh. Why can't they fuck that? Can they do?

I think they would have to find COVID or something. Could Jerry Jones beg out of the primetime game? It doesn't seem like he would do that, but let's, let's find some COVID that doesn't exist. They should ask like one of the special teams players to just fake some COVID system. Yeah.

Right. It could move the game. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. That's a brutal. It's really bad. Wow.

Ravens by five and F. Okay. Watchables. I have, I don't know whether the league is just more entertaining right now or if I was just in a good mood, but I have six games in the watchables. Yeah, that's a good one. The first one Titans at Cincinnati. I really enjoy watching Joe Burrow. I'm not going to apologize.

I'm excited to see what they do in this game. I, I think, um, I don't love, I don't love their chances of stopping Titans offense, but I don't really like Tennessee's defense at all. I think that I think Cincinnati can throw in them. This could be a fun game. I have Titans by five. Yeah,

I went too heavy. I don't know why I thought, you know, the Titans were like an underdog and then they were favored against Pittsburgh. You talk about Vegas doesn't care about the Titans were like an underdog, and then they were favored against Pittsburgh. You talk about Vegas doesn't care about the Titans, an undefeated team last year. I thought it was seven.

It's only four. So you win that. That seems low a little bit. The Browns were what, three and a half? That's the same team? I think with the Titans, the garbage time TD is just such a threat with them they really can't stop anybody

next game which I think man this you know what I'm going to take this out this is I'm going with five instead of six I'll tell you what game I took out when we get to it don't forget about it though I'm putting it I'm copy pasting.

All right. It's in the next one. Colts lions. Okay. That's in there. Yeah. It's in there because the lions have a habit of being in really watchable games.

I guess at some point we just have to accept that when the lions are on a TV, right? It's watchable. The Colts, I think have also proven to be super watchable. And the reason I included it in the watchables, the odds of this coming down to the last two minutes

and some sort of terrible play by somebody is, I would say, 90%. Yeah, you're right. So I have Colts by two and a half over the Lions. So why? I'm an idiot. And also, I should be better at this because I do this for a living. I had the Lions favored by one and a half, but you're right. The Colts are favored by three.

You get that. They, I don't know. They're three and three, right? Detroit? Lions are four and Indies four and two coming off a bye? I don't know. Talk to the team that gets no respect. Well, Detroit's three and three, but they lost that

last second Bears game that they were up by 17 in the fourth quarter. They have good-bad team potential. They can move the ball. I got to say. Yeah, like DeAndre Swift is good. They have emerging players now, it seems like. And Galladay was hurt for a while, and now he's playing.

I don't know. I like their offense better than most do. Next one I'm genuinely excited for. Rams-Dolphins. Tua. He's back. Dolphins. They've had some success against the NFC West.

I have the Rams by three. Yeah, that's what I said. It is three and a half currently. Tua. That's a good one. That's a fun one. We have to watch that and uh

yeah I don't know Rams going east on a short week maybe we take a stab with Miami here or is it too much to ask in the first game

I think this is a high ceiling low basement game for Tua yeah I could see any scenario you'd be like alright that makes sense

right next one for the watchables Bears Saints just because of the records yep scenario, you'd be like, all right, that makes sense. Right. Next one for the watchables, Bears-Saints. Just because of the records. Yep. Bears are 5-1, Saints are 4-2. It'll be a good game. I have the Bears by three. It's in Chicago. Oh. I had Saints

by two, and it's Saints by two and a half. Hmm. Yeah, nobody trusts the Bears. It seems like the Saints get an extra three points every week for reasons that remain unclear. It happened again with the Panthers today. I thought that line should have been three and a half. It was seven.

Right. It's like a past performance thing with the Saints. That game should be a pick-em at best. I told you, the Bears, well, they both beat the Panthers in the last two weeks, right? Bears beat them. They beat them by nine? Or did they beat them by a touchdown in the last two weeks right Bears beat them they beat them by nine or they beat him by a touchdown last week and then the Saints beat him

that should be a good game that'll come down to the wire to Bears defense is legit for sure last one another good one Seahawks 49ers yep we've we've said six games that are way better than Eagles Cowboys just for the record yeah Yeah, I know.

Move it. Move it the hell out. Seahawks, 49ers. It's in Seattle. And I have Seattle by three. What a rollercoaster ride for the Niners, by the way. Everybody wrote them off to Houston right now. Three might even be too high.

What do you have? I said four and a half. It is four right now. That's too high. half it is four right now so i get that one um it might be now based on uh i i guess like at halftime now now i'm thinking about this i don't know although that they seem to have their run game and that got wilson's out right wilson the third he had he had a great game but i think wilson was excellent and got hurt right as they were scoring the most meaningless touchdown possible, which is a bummer. But I'll tell you, I've watched them a couple times now.

The rookie, Ayuk, is good. That guy makes plays. He's yet another guy who's better than Nikhil Harry. But he's good, and Debo's good, and Kittle. They have three receivers who can make plays. So Shanahan, it seems like he's going to run the ball. And when Jimmy throws, it's almost always play action or design rollouts. Everything he does is to protect Jimmy, try to throw these shorter passes where the receivers can run after the catch, and it's smart.

He's taking advantage of all of whatever strengths Jimmy has. And we don't know how healthy he is either, but he's got playmakers, though. Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, I mean, you just listed like four games that would be very surprised if they were more than a touchdown difference with six minutes left in the fourth. Seattle just can't stop anybody.

So San Francisco's offense is going to look and go. Maybe they're exhausted. You think they'll still be exhausted? Probably. The barely watchables. This was the game I pulled out. Wait, was it? Hold on.

Let me guess. Let me guess. Vegas Cleveland. Yeah, that was it. That's guess. Vegas-Cleveland. Yeah. That was it? That's what it is. The Raiders kind of played themselves off the list because they stuck in the Tampa game.

They really did. Although, Gruden was pretty mad after that they made them play on a Sunday when his whole offensive line was being COVID tested or whatever. Yeah. He's like, we could have moved this to Monday or Tuesday so I could add an extra day. I guess it could have been worse. If you hear a whole offensive line is out or tested

or like, oh, wow, the other team's going to score 62 points. This is what we worried about in preseason. This is exactly what we said. What if an entire unit can't play because they've been around each other? Same thing happened with the Bills' tight ends. Yeah. I have the Browns favored by three over the Raiders. Yeah, you get it exactly.

I thought it'd be four. I thought it'd be a little heavier, but it is three. Hunt was good in that game today. Baker's fun to watch. Car's always fun to watch. There's like 10 good players and whenever they cut the Gruden upset, it's a good time. It's a fun game. I mean, and, you know, whenever they cut the Gruden upset,

it's good time. It's a fun game. I mean, Baker did start that game. Oh, for five. And it looked like one more bad drive. He was getting the hook.

Yeah. Like you, what you haven't, I haven't seen such good numbers after such a bad first quarter. It was over five with a pick. Is that what his first quarter was? Peter Schrager texted me and said, Baker got better as soon as Odell left the game.

I was like, that's interesting. Odell psyched him out? It feels like he can't make Odell happy? Did he throw that pick on purpose? Odell got hurt chasing down the D-back who intercepted the pass. Maybe Baker left him out there. Threw it so Odell would get hurt

and attack him. Oh, man. Oh, yes. Barely Watchables, Bill's Pats. This is in Buffalo. How is this Barely Watchable? It was supposed to be for first place. I mean, are you going to enjoy watching this? No, no, you're right. How did it get to it?

We're only week eight. Oh, how did it get to this? I have the bills by six. I said six and a half, but it's only four. That's dumb. This will be when Belichick pulls out his wizardry and figures something out.

The only thing that makes me think the Pats aren't dead yet is if he knew the Niners were just the worst possible matchup and he knows Cam's not healthy and he just played a vanilla this week because he knows they

have to win the Buffalo game and next week's the kitchen sink game and he knew they were kind of drawn dead this week against the Niners. That's the only thing I have that I'm praying for. I don't want the Pats season to die. What do you think the Bills number is to win the division?

I kind of like the Dolphins. I didn't even see what they were. I can find it. I would say the Bills are probably minus 200, right? Minus 400. Already. I like the Dolphins. Your Pats are plus 350. I didn't even

look at the Dolphins. I guess they're Dolphins are three and three and two of might actually be good. All right. Hold on. Wait, let me see. AFC East plus 650. Oh, I might hit that one.

Yeah, that's a little tasty. Especially if they win this week. Maybe the Rams. Can we bring Kyle? Nephew Kyle, can you come in for one second? Hey. How old are you? 36.

Can you ever remember the Patriots getting six points in Buffalo? No. No, they're not getting six. They're getting four. You guessed six. Can you ever remember the Patriots getting more than a field goal in Buffalo in your

lifetime? Absolutely not. I didn't ever go in there thinking we weren't going to roll them. I don't know. Brady owned Buffalo. I think he might have lost to them four times total in 20 years. Kyle,

can you ever, can you ever remember the Patriots plus three 50 to win the division? Oh, come on. There's no way. There's no way though. Right. What was that worst?

I guess when Brady was out that year, but even then tough times for Kyle, Kyle, you're right. The cam thing was really bad today. I was really sad today, man. Really,

really sad. I haven't been this sad in a long time. Sal didn't seem to understand how bad Cam was. I think he thought I was exaggerating it. Cam was really that bad. You know what it is? I think it's his motion. Because he throws back. Remember when we used to play electric football? It was the worst game ever

invented. And the guys would buzz around in no certain pattern that you wanted them to go. Even though you could kind of change it on the back. And it was supposed to, you had to whip the guy's arm back to throw that little, uh, sponge ball, a tiny,

right. And that's what cam looks like. And I feel like he's rearing back even more now lately to do it. And that's why I think everyone's like, Oh, his shoulder, even when he wasn't with the Patriots, we used to say that about him.

Like something's up with this guy. Why? Where, what's his shoulders? It didn't look totally right. The Seattle game, he just looked flawless. Like his mechanics look great.

He seemed like Superman again. Did not seem like Superman today. Yeah. Let's, we'll finish the games and take one more break. Let's take a break to talk about Motor Light.

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Two more barely watchables. Packers are home for the Vikings. You could make a case the Packers are the good bad team. I have the Packers favored by seven and a half. They're dying to be teased. I'm all in on this team. I said nine. You're right. It's seven. So I said nine. You're right.

It's seven. So you're closer. You're going to win the game. You're going to be 7-0-1. What the fuck? What is going on this year? Yeah, they're begging. And there's a perfect teaser team coming up to put them with.

So we don't even have to think about it. I didn't even do a teaser this week. You didn't? No, I didn't. Because i think the those minus six my those plus six plus seven plus eight range those dogs seem to be hitting at least like two a weekend now right yeah well they fixed the over-unders a lot of the unders are hitting now and they fixed yeah you're right the road teams are doing very well i don't have the numbers i should have the numbers in front of me but yeah I didn't do a teaser either.

I had the freaking Saints minus six and a half. What do they do? Of course, they just went by a field goal. I'm back to teasers. Then the Chargers covered a tease. There was one other one in that range that covered as well. The six-point range? Well, the Bills. The Bills didn't cover it, but they won.

The Bills covered a three-team tease. Then the Bucks, once that line got to four and didn't cover it, but they won. Yeah. Bills covered it. Three team tees. Yep. And then the Bucks. Once that line got to like four and a half, five, you can tease them. Last one. Chargers at Denver. Which, if Drew Locke was like about 20% better, you could say this could be a watchable, but he's like not quite there.

But Herbert's there. I have the Chargers by two in Denver. All right. I get this one I said one to half it is only one and uh yeah Drew Locke is weird because he rolls right and then he almost immediately runs out of room he runs out of space to throw right it's like you can't have any guy open here there's no way you sprint you just sprinted to the sideline you're stuck just throw it out of bounds but yeah he should yeah, he should be a little better. They play hard, that team.

Yeah, he loves taking big hits too for no reason. If you can pop him and send him flying backwards, he likes it. I think Anthony Lynn has done enough this year that he probably knocked this line down by two points. You think so? Yeah, he makes me nervous. And I didn't even have the Chargers in a tease or anything today, but I just like Herbert. lying down by two points. You think so? Yeah, he makes me nervous.

And I didn't even have the Chargers in a tease or anything today, but I just like Herbert. And at one point, Jacksonville was up. They were up like 22-16. I was like, oh my God, they're going to lose to this garbage Jacksonville team? Right. I mean, think about that.

Mahomes for a second. We're about to talk about him, I think. But for him to go, they had a pick six and a punt return for a touchdown, right? Yeah. He had like 200 yards. They had nothing rushing. It was the least the Chiefs ever had to do to win a game.

Yeah. But anyway, until this week. Our next category is COVID corner. I don't think anybody's in here this week. We do have the poop factor, though. Yeah. This is a great one. So I've tried to avoid this as much as I could.

It's hard. Because I know, I'm sure there were stories. And I honestly don't know what the line is. All right. I do think it's going to be higher than 21. Mm-hmm. I don't think that's happened. I remember something got near 20.

We've done this before. I don't remember. San Francisco, Cincinnati, Steve young years was like 19, 19 and a half. It was a Sunday night game. I think even,

but I picked, I picked 22 chiefs by 22 at home against the jet. So I heard last week that it was 22. I'll be honest. I did. And then I'm like, nah, I don't think so. I think that that's a little crazy. Not that it was 22. I'll be honest. I did. And then I'm like, nah, I don't think so.

I think that that's a little crazy. Not that it matters, but I said 21. It's 20 and a half. 20 and a half. That still feels high. Well, I mean, it's not high enough. Well, what if it's a three team teaser now? Because that's a freebie.

They're winning by two touchdowns right so if you go minus 10 and a half you go packers plus three and then we're going to talk about the sunday night game which is a gimme of all gimme's but um we're not would you tease the jets to 30 and a half or no just to say you're getting 30 and a half with an nfl team three teamer. Jesus. I may have to do it just for fun, but they could score seven. Couldn't they?

All they have to do is score 10 points. And you're coming. I guess so. I guess so. 20 and a half. Huh? I don't know. I was looking.

Chad Henney scrambled for a touchdown for the chiefs today. I don't even know. Like if they take my homes out, like they might still be okay. I really thought I was going to be low. I thought you were going to say it was like 24. Really? Who's taking the Jets in this game? No one.

You can't. At least they covered, though, right? They were 0-6. They covered. And my team, who we're going to talk about, is a full 0-7 ATS. Well, you know who else covered? Joey Covers.

Oh, right. Took the streak alive. He pushed in week one and he's covered every week since. He still has not covered a game. He's like, oh, the Browns scored to win? I don't care. We're inside the number. We're good. He should get rid of the W, so he seems more Italian. He's Joe Burrow.

He's just B-U-R-R-O. He's the Italian quarterback who covers. Yeah, yeah. Sunday night, Eagles, Cowboys. It's in Philly. It's just a train wreck of a game. I think they should allow Collinsworth and Al to drink during the game.

I'm not saying they have to get sloshed, but Al should at least be able to have like two drinks. Right. I agree. Yeah. I think the players should be allowed to drink too. The coaches should definitely drink.

I have the Eagles by four. What? Are you crazy? I'm winning the week. I'm giving myself a win for the week, even though you beat me by five here. I had the Cowboys underdog by eight. It's seven and a half. You can't give this team any lesson.

It should probably be ten. They don't score. All they do is get scored on. Can I defend myself here? It's a ten-day rest for Philly. Yeah. How is this going to be close? Did you see the Eagles on Thursday night?

They stick. What are you talking about? I did. They almost lost to the Giants. Wentz had to pull one of the great throws he's ever made out of his ass just to win the game. They should have lost anyway. Yeah. But the giants quarterback fell down on an 80 yard run. I did see that.

I did see the giants. The giants outplayed them in that game. The Eagles blow. No, they didn't outplay him. The Eagles had time of possession. They were killing them. No,

the giants were moving the ball on them. They ran on him in the second half for sure. Come on. Oh, they're not going to have to do much to win this game. Whatever. Maybe it's, maybe it's. Listen to me. How are they going to score?

You listen to me. You listen to me. You're not allowed to put the Eagles in a tease. Oh, you're out of your mind. House, you guys, no. You're not allowed to tease them. I'm going out with house right now. I mean, listen, how can you wire me?

No. Wentz cannot be in a tease. Wentz and Phil Rivers are not allowed to be teased. You're know. I'm going out of the house right now. Listen, how can you wire me? Wentz cannot be in a tease. Wentz and Phil Rivers are not allowed to be teased. You're crazy. They're taking the division this week. That's it. I think the Redskins. Oh, they're not the Redskins anymore. Don't bleep that, Kyle.

It's an honest mistake. I'm a human being. I bleed. I go to the bathroom. Humans make mistakes. The Washington Pro Football team, I think, could win the division. Strahan said it the other day. I was with him on Thursday night.

I was like, ooh. And he was like, eh, what are you going to do? Yeah. They let it go. I think they could win it, though. They at least are good at something. They have a good defensive line. I can't believe it.

And Gibson is good. McLaurin's good. Kyle Allen can't win this division. I know what you're saying. It's the slimmest of pickings for sure. I think Wentz is the worst kind of quarterback to have. For me, emotionally and spiritually, would be the least kind of one I wouldn't be able to handle

because the highs and lows just during the game, I wouldn't be able to take it. I had them in a parlay on Thursday night. I couldn't take it just betting vicariously on them for three hours where it's like, is this guy, first of all, he never gets rid of the ball ever.

He's just, it just never, he's just like, I'm going to, I'll stand here for 20 seconds waiting for a receiver. I don't care how many people are about to hit me. I'm holding them, never throwing this away. And you know, he makes 10 dumb decisions a game. And then all of a sudden he'll make like, he'll put together like five minutes of like perfect

quarterback play. And you're like, what just happened? You were complete dog shit for half the game. How did you do that? I know. And if you look at his numbers, they're spectacular. I look back cause I'm looking, I'm like, all right, I need a pro Wentz graphic for a Fox bet live. And I'm like, Oh my God, his numbers are, are excellent. If you look over the last couple of years and even like when he gets going, I don't know, I'm telling you right now, the Eagles are minus one 50 to win the division. That's a winner. Tampa Bay is minus one 50 to win the division. That's a winner. Tampa Bay is minus 150 to win the division. That's a winner.

And Green Bay is minus 275. I'm forcing us to check in on these division odds every now and then. I can't remember anything you've lost more money on over the years than division bets. Division futures. I honestly, if you told me like, hey, I found this sheet that kept track of every division bet I made, you're not going to weave this, but I lost 85% of them. Before the year, though. During the year, you think?

I don't know. Preseason, I think. The Pats are the only one we ever won consistently. I know. We teased it with Hillary, right? Can we do that? We parlayed it with Hillary. I think the Eddie Eagles line is too high. Monday night,

Bucs Giants. It's in New York. Unfortunately, they're playing the Bucs. I have the Bucs by nine and a half. You would have won. You win nine, six, I think. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

Yeah, nine, seven. That sucks., 8, 9 Yeah 9-7 that sucks It's 10 I said 8 and a half Alright well If you can wait till Monday that's a good third leg Of a teaser I mean honestly Tampa Bay to just beat the Giants KC to Beat the Jets by 10

And then add Philly please just do it If I go undefeated And guess the Lions, the last week when we were guessing, should I have Don Shula's son and Mercury Morris here? Is the poor champagne on me? Or what do I do? Yeah, you should.

You should. It wouldn't be, though. It'd be like a... Shula family? It'd be the caramel latte. We're all doing shots. Damn it. How am I so bad at this?

I don't know. 7-0-1. It's not like you'd do it for a living our bye week teams by the way are the Cardinals, Washington the Jaguars and the Texans yeah not a ton of fantasy implications I gotta say I'm only gonna miss the Cardinals

out of those four right the three of those are pretty nice they put all the unwatchables on the buy. I was thinking about the Texans. How bummed out I would be if I was a Texans fan about the Hopkins trade. Especially like the guy gets fired four weeks

into the season who makes it. How do you recover from that? You had Hopkins. This dumbass trades him. He said, no, no, this will be great. You'll love David Johnson. Plus, we got a second round pick. Right.

And now Hopkins and Kyler Murray, you're going to have to watch them all season. They're probably a playoff team. Yeah, and you're wasting Deshaun Watson's best years, right? This team's not going to recover for a while. Tough one. All right. It's time for Parent Corner brought to you by CarMax, America's number one used car retailer. Whether you're buying or selling, our friends at CarMax are on your side. With the seven-day money-back guarantee at CarMax,

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Yeah, social distancing. I think we have like a date on the book too. Simmons, a double date somewhere, somewhere down the line. Can't wait. It's going to be fun. A lovely couple, but I couldn't wait to get home and watch Borat. Did you watch it Friday night?

I watched it Thursday night with my kids. Thursday night. Yeah. How did you do that? Like nine o'clock Pacific time. Oh, they did. That's right.

Yeah. I'm an idiot. I should have done it Thursday instead of watching Jets Eagles, Giants Eagles. So we get home and I know my Archie, I know my 15 year old is going to want to watch it. It's about getting the other two to sleep. You know, the 12 year old. I feel a little weird. Definitely the six year old shouldn't watch it. But everyone's on board. Everyone feels our excitement to watch it. So they're going to watch it. Except the 12 year old is furious that we're allowing the six year old to watch it but everyone's on board everyone feels our excitement to watch it so they're going to watch it except the 12 year old is furious that we're allowing the six-year-old to watch it and is screaming at us about how we're bad parents and we shouldn't let him watch and i was like listen it's 10 15 he's just gonna fall asleep let's just pretend to watch he'll fall asleep three minutes in it'll still be the kazakhstan stuff he won't even get out of there it'll be fine he's like no way so now this makes the six-year-old want to watch even more.

So I played this wrong. I completely played it wrong. And now he's up. And now you've challenged him. Yeah. I issued the wrong challenges to the wrong people. And here I am stuck watching this movie. And the whole time, the 12-year-old is jumping in front of the screen so that the six-year-old can't watch it because they hate each other and they're screaming at each other the whole time the 12 year old is jumping in front of the screen so that the six year old can't watch it because they hate each other and they're screaming at each other the whole time and i think it was a good movie but i have to now re-watch it because there was like so much dancing around the around the screen so that the younger kid couldn't watch that i'm not sure what i saw

but uh but i thought it was really good i thought it was good. Not as good as the first, right? Not as good as the first, but super enjoyable. If you laugh like 15 times, it's a great movie, right? So the 12-year-old and the 6-year-old, it's really there's that much animosity. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something clicked with the 12-year-old. He's like, no, I'm not letting this happen.

My parents are screwballs, and maybe they'll let it happen, but I'm not doing it. Put his body in front of it, literally. I had, I've got my kids to watch Borat two weeks ago. I'd been deliberately holding it. Yeah. And my son isn't that too cool for school. You know, he's going to default to being like,

this probably isn't as good as dad, but then within 10 minutes was all in. And then spent the next two weeks walking around the house going, you would never get this! Doing all the lines. And we did the same thing with the Borat. They were all fired up. It wasn't as good, but I thought it was a noble effort. Yeah, right.

For sure. It was good to have him back. My oldest was loving it it and he laughed throughout the whole thing but at the end his conclusion was oh we're kind of screwed as a society aren't we i was like yeah don't pay attention to that yeah i guess yeah harmless people are racist it goes on all over the country but it's gonna be fine the jews and the nose oh my god jesus we really are in trouble i know i didn You have to be like, no, no, Sacha Baron Cohen is Jewish

in real life. Yeah, exactly. He's making fun of it. Rough, rough, rough. Mine, you know, my son now is mad because every week he's the parent corner. Oh, he hears about it. I didn't even know

he claims it as a list to it, but people, other people mentioned it to him. Yeah. And so now his whole thing, when we get mad at each other, he's like, you just use me for content. He says that all serious. Like, like that's the reason we have him around. Not because we, you know, had him as a child. So he's like, why don't you come up with one for Zoe?

And, and, uh, I don't you come up with one for Zoe? That's a good point. I don't know. She's just a nice kid. So the best I could come up with is she's like this super honest, respectful kid. Just a nice kid. Doesn't lie. You always can tell when she's lying. At least we think.

But she steals clothes from me and Carrie. From you? Like sweatshirts from you? She steals t-shirts and she steals clothes from me and Carrie. From you? Like sweatshirts from you? Steals t-shirts and sweatshirts from me and then just goes in the carry and always like emerges with these things. So Ben, in an effort to claim that, um, that he shouldn't be always being the parent, why don't you talk about how Zoe steals clothes from you guys? And that did that whole thing.

And that's all I got. She's 5% of the character of him. He didn't have a shirt on all weekend. He didn't wear a shirt for 48 hours or shoes. Yeah. Well, he's being thoughtful and not stealing your clothes. So you could have a shirt if you wanted. You can just go right in your drawer.

What does it mean she steals them? You'll see him in the wash or something, right? She'll just be wearing them. You'll be like, wait, that's my Holy Cross basketball t-shirt. Why are you wearing that? I was looking for that. I was going to wear that when I work out today. That's her one vice.

He's got 750,000 vices. His foot's healed, so he's now active again. So if you want to put odds on Fandle's sportsbook on his next injury, maybe they could do that. Yeah, he's dunking on the basketball hoop today. The trampoline's going to come back soon. It's going to be bad.

Hey, have you done the virtual fan thing for SmackDown or anything? No, you did that, right? We did it last week. Yeah, we did it Friday. It's good. It's fine. We're like in fourth row center. And, you know, it's like someone comes on.

You can't hear it in the telecast. Like, all right, big energy, big energy. Like, all right. Okay. We're going crazy in the box and you can barely see us. But I think Ben would like it. Well, he wanted to do it. He was like, no, do it, do it. And then when it shows us, I'll stand up and I'll have my underwear on. I'm like, no, no, I'm definitely not. All right. That was Parent Corner brought to you by CarMax, America's number one used car

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Super Bowl? If Baltimore, Kansas City and Green Bay are taken already, who do you take to win the Super Bowl? I like the Steelers. Steelers. All right. That's what I'm doing. I'll check out that. That's a nice one. And then on Fox pregame show, I will be on Thursday night.

Oh, I saw your bit this week. You had the TikTok guy. The TikTok guy. Yeah. The Dreams guy. I gave him the NFC East trophy. He's as deserving as anybody else. What a comeback for Fleetwood Mac. They're in their mid-70s now. What's going

on? It was like number seven on Spotify or something. One of the top ten or something. I mean, it's a great song. Yeah. All right, Sal. Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy. All right. That's it for the pod. Thanks to Cousin Sal. Don't forget, you can hear me and Sal again 24 hours from now on the Rocky IV Rewatchables. Going up midnight ET, Monday night. And then we're back here two more times this week. And enjoy the rest of, of hopefully an awesome week. Yes, we can. On the wayside.

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