The Bill Simmons Podcast - Lamar Jacks the Chiefs, the Kliff-Kyler Roller Coaster, and Guess the Lines Week 3 With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: September 20, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to recap NFL Week 2, including the Ravens' win in a shootout with the Chiefs, the Chargers’ loss to the Cowboys, the Titans’ comeback win against the Seahawks, another crushing Vikings loss, a tough day for rookie QB Zach Wilson against the Patriots, plus Buccaneers-Falcons, Steelers-Raiders, Rams-Colts, and more (2:50). Then they Guess the Lines for NFL Week 3 (52:30) before closing the show with Parent Corner (1:16:15). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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yeah, we're not really that interested in winning this game. And the Ravens were like, not only will we take it, we're going to take it convincingly. We're going to change the narratives about ourselves. But Sal, I'm going to go backwards. I'm stunned, by the way. I'm stunned by this result based on most of what we saw.

I guess we should be surprised by every Chiefs loss, right? Because it does seem like you say they could just win whenever they want, right? And then they don't win. It's like, what the hell just happened? Yeah. To paraphrase Norm MacDonald, they were the chairman of the board. They were up 11 after the interception at midfield.

The game's over. The Ravens haven't stopped them the whole game. They do this terrible shotgun draw to Williams. They lose five. Now, another play. Now it's third and 12. And Mahomes does, you know, the Carson Wentz. I'm falling down on the sack.

I'm just going to throw it in the air. Even if he just takes the sack, they're punting. The Ravens would have had to put together two long 15-play drives. Ravens give away two extra points. Chiefs still get the ball back with three minutes left. Still look bored. Just kind of methodically go down the field. Second and three, they're setting up Butker.

And then they hand off to Clyde Edwards Hilaire, who has not looked good the entire time they've had him. And I have no idea why he's the guy you would give the ball to there. He gets it poked out really easily. And then they can't get a stop. And Harbaugh, he straps it on on fourth and one. The old

Belichick Colts play that started the Advanced Metrics Store war 12 years ago. Such a great win for the Ravens. And if I'm the Chiefs, I'm like, eh, we know we could have won. Yeah, right. You figure that. And what, like Denver and Oakland are one and one atop the division.

And I don't think they're scared of either of those teams right now. I said Oakland. I mean, Las Vegas. But they're 2-0. 2-0, right, atop the right. They're tied. I'm sorry. 2-0 right atop the right they're tied i'm sorry two and oh tied atop the division and uh yeah i thought it was weird because they're first of all i had a problem with lamar like doing

a uh like a flop into the end zone to to go ahead by one like you still have to make the two-point conversion to make this a field goal game and of course they didn't so it's a one-point game with 318 left And then the chiefs get basically to midfield on one pass right over the middle. And now it's like, they have to kill the clock. So you could throw three yard passes to Kelsey, which is probably what they should do to get into field goal range. Cause that guy's really not going to fumble. It was a great play by the rookie for the Ravens to knock that jar, that ball lose from slide outwards. That I was surprised to learn that was his first fumble. I thought he coughed a couple up last year, but even so, like you said, like Harbaugh's

getting a lot of credit, but I think you absolutely have to go for it on fourth and one and a half. Like you're not stopping them three times in a row, right? Like that was serendipity at that point. If you have Lamar Jackson and a yard and a half to go, you have about six or seven plays you could use to convert there. So while he gets credit, if he punted that ball, I would have said that this is insane. He should lose his job along with his brother. Yeah, because the Chiefs would have had the

ball with like a minute left. They easily would have gone down. They would have gotten their 40 yards and Bucker would have made like a 51 yarder to win it and we all would have been like, why did the Ravens go for it? It's funny. I took a tour on Twitter and regretted it because everybody was like, oh, Ravens horrible. They went for it.

So great. And it's like everyone's showing the clip of horrible going Lamar. You want to go for it? What's Lamar going to say? Like, no, no, we should punt this. I don't want to go for it. Let's not. Let's not.

Take the ball out of my hands. I tweaked my shoulder doing that backflip as somersault into the end zone. Maybe let's punt this. We'll get lucky in overtime maybe. Oh, no. There's no overtime. Go ask your kids right now.

Hey, kids, you want to get some ice cream? Like, no, no, we're good. We're good. Like, of course Lamar was going to go for it. Of course the Chiefs weren't going to stop. They didn't stop the ballgame. To me, this was a game of two teams that were doing something

that the other team simply couldn't stop. And anytime they got into trouble, it was because they did something else other than the thing the team couldn't stop. Like the Ravens had terrible picks. Anytime they threw the ball, the Chiefs were like, thank God. Anytime they rambled the ball, the Chiefs couldn't stop it. And conversely with the Chiefs, anytime they just spread the field and didn't run, the Ravens couldn't stop them.

They were double teaming Tyreek the whole game. They took him the Ravens couldn't stop them. They were double-teaming Tyreek the whole game. They took him out. So Kelsey's wide open. Pringle was wide open. Robinson's wide open. I mean, it was a stupid week two game. Yeah, it really is. Boy, but then you think

about it. Both these teams are tough outs, right? So I don't know why we're looking ahead, but I'm trying to narrow it down to the final four in the AFC, why it would be any different from last year. I don't know that it would be, but, and I don't even know if you could fix this, but the chiefs defense is just always going to be a sieve like this, right? I don't know that they should always give up 251 yards rushing. Many of those came in the first half, even, even when they had the lead. But I just think this is the team,

right? And they're going to be in every game. And, you know, you could do this last ball, last time with the ball wins kind of thing, but they'll, they'll win like 13 games this year.

I have no doubt. I don't like that. They can't really run the ball. Like even on second and three, they lined up like they were going to run it, and I didn't feel good about the play before the fumble. He would have been tackled even if he didn't fumble. It would have been third and three.

To spend a first-round pick on a running back who then doesn't solve your running back, whatever issues you had, wasn't great. Mahomes usually goes for a 15, 20-yard, a big run. That's the thing. Second and three, roll them out. Yeah. Roll them out to the side and do whatever.

I just thought it was a really lazy game from the Chiefs. And it's the reason we like watching the Chiefs. They have an arrogance to them now. They just feel like they can score anytime they wanted. Yeah. The Ravens got, went up by a point at the end. They cut to Mahomes on the sidelines. It looked like he was getting like a manicure.

Like, oh, oh, do we have to go? I didn't realize the car was outside. All right, I'll tell the lady to wrap up. Yeah. He just kind of waltzes out. As you said, immediately gets the 25-yard pass to start the drive. So I didn't learn that much about the Chiefs. I do feel like people

are going to overreact to the Chiefs run defense, which is terrible. But they did go against the Browns and the Ravens. Aren't those like the two teams you don't want to go against if you have a terrible run defense? Yeah, exactly. As the season goes along, it'll probably be a little bit better for them.

I guess it usually does right itself. And we're going to talk about a lot of these. And the Chiefs are the prime example of this. But I feel like, I don't think it's like this every year. Aren't there like eight offenses you love to watch right now, but you're skittish about betting any of them? That's how I feel right now.

Well, I'll tell you this. Anyone not the Jets, basically. I lost on a Chiefs-Pats parlay, but I'm not going to whine about it because I won even more on a ridiculous Pats Cardinals. You did call. No business.

No business winning on that game where the Vikings kicker, who's been lights out, just decides to miss a 37-yarder. The announcer still thinks he made it from Minnesota. Is that true? Oh, you have to hear the clip. He's like, it's up. It's good. Joseph does it.

No good. No good. No good. And then he immediately got fired. Yeah. You know, the win. No good. No good. And then he immediately got fired. Yeah, you know, the offenses look pretty good. And I think, you know, last year we didn't have a preseason. We barely had a training camp. Everything looked so choppy.

It seems like the offenses look good. The tackling's terrible across the board. Yeah, right. And it's like because we barely had practices, people are barely hitting each other, and I think it seems like the offenses are ahead of the defenses, which was why, you know, not to jump ahead to your stupid team

with the Chargers. But that game had 37 points and there was one punt and it felt like that game should have been, what, 45 to 42. And yet both teams were just shooting themselves in the foot and then giving the gun to the other team.

Now you shoot yourself in the foot. Right. Yeah. After all the years of the Chargers getting like 450 yards passing and losing. And now we're in a whole different ball game with this team. Yeah. I'll tell you my big takeaway from week two. We knew that we knew there was going to be some weirdness.

We knew there was a bunch of overreactions from last week, but I just don't think there's a really good team. I think there's a, I think there's a lot of teams that do certain things well, and I think the Chiefs, their ability to move the ball is probably the best of what everybody else can do. But there's not a complete team.

There's certainly not a complete team in the AFC. I don't think there's a complete team really in the NFC. Tampa's probably the closest, but we saw two straight weeks of them just being completely unable to protect the lead. And Atlanta, that game was 28-25. And then Matt Ryan's like, fine, fine.

Fine, fine. Let's give it to you guys. They can't even cover the damn spread. They're down three in the fourth. Tampa's like, no, let's put up 20. I was so mad. Stupid, stupid team. I think you're right. San Francisco's the one team. I know what you're saying. They might be a team that does both, right? They might play good defense,

but they haven't played. They played Detroit and they played Philadelphia who I liked after last week, but now we're seeing the real Eagles team step up. And I guess they did give up a lot of yards to passing yards to golf in the second half last week. But I would take a look at San Francisco. That's not a team I'd want to play right now. They seem to have it mostly together. Yeah, I made a list of what impressed me this week and San Francisco was the first one because I watched a lot of that game.

I had the Eagles plus three for million dollar picks. I had a little of it in real life too. And it was one of those games, the Eagles should have been up 10-0, 13-0. They had all these cracks inside the 10. They couldn't, for whatever reason, couldn't stay out of their own way. And the Niners then just took the game.

Yeah. And really for like the second half and a little at the end of the first half, they just completely dominated them. And I think the Eagles are actually pretty good. And San Francisco, if Jimmy G had played better, I don't think that game would have been close. And they were down, how many running backs

have they lost this year? At least three? Yeah, they're down. It didn't matter. They just put in the next guy and he's fine. But I agree with that. I think the Niners look maybe the most complete, but they're going to have to figure out

the Lance Jimmy thing, I think. Can we, if there's one narrative I'd like to get rid of, and I don't even know if this was ever a thing, but the West Coast team going East. And I was like, oh, I used to salivate when I see that. a thing, but the West coast team going East. And I was like, Oh, I used to salivate when I see that. I'm like,

Oh my God, going East Eagles getting points, but it just does not seem to bear fruit anymore. These guys are getting rest. They're figuring out a way to rest on these private flights. Right. Or these basically, yeah,

they're probably sleeping on the flights. It just occurred to me. So I'm not, uh, not as enthralled with that. Yeah. I wonder, I wonder if the bells and whistles have just gotten so much better for these teams. They could just be like, hey, we're on East Coast time. Go into this crowd chamber for three minutes. Right.

And then they go in or use this infrared sauna and then everybody's fine. That's it. There's ways to equalize. I did. I didn't tell you this. My daughter, she injured her back. So she's been doing some cryotherapy. No, it's not bad. She just has like a whatever, but she's been doing cryotherapy. So I went with her and she's like, dad, do it. And I went in for two minutes and I came out and I felt 12 years younger. What the hell is it? First of all, is it- You just go in and it's like minus. yeah, you go in, they play music.

And the first time I did like two minutes, second time I did two and a half and then third time I did 245. And it's just freezing. But then you come out and it's like, I had like a right knee that was bothering me and it was fine. But it made me think like,

these guys must have so many different things they do that nullify all these old advantages that these teams used to have think like, these guys must have so many different things they do that nullify all these old advantages that these teams used to have for like, oh, we got the West Coast team coming this week. It's just that those days are over, it feels like.

Yeah, I think you're right. Do you submit after two minutes, 45 seconds, or there's a countdown and like you're done when it's done? No, you tell them ahead of time. You do? Yeah.

So there's some people that do the full three and they just walk out like nothing happened. I come out like I've just been shot by an assassin. Right, yeah. You know, you're so cold. And we're old. I know, that's what I would be like. Look at my watch here.

When is this ending? So the Niners, I thought, the Lance thing, if they get something from him this year that's the upside because Jimmy G feels a little caretaker-y

to me at this point I didn't think he was good in that game Tennessee's big comeback was another one that really impressed me and it really impressed you because

your entire fantasy season is tied to Derrick Henry you beat me in our keeperer League. He had like 48 points or something. You were up like 25 points on me. I think you were like a 68-32 favorite, percentage-wise. No, no, no. What a second half.

Talk about cryo. I don't know what that guy's doing. 680 carries in two years. Something crazy. Yeah, he's demolishing that curse of 370. He just took a shit on it. Something crazy. Yeah. He's just, he's demolishing that curse of three 70. He's just took a shit on it. He's a unicorn. He really is.

He's, um, and, and like I pointed out, it's 75 degrees. This is when it's supposed to be easy to tackle him. But I think you're right. I think just the tackling around the league,

it just sucks. Yeah. You know what the Derek Henry thing, usually when teams come back, they throw the ball. Tennessee came back by like, right. Doubling down on the stuff they're

good at, which is basically running the ball play action and just put some drives together. They threw some screens to him over the middle and they saw him breaking tackles. They're like, all right, let him just have the ball however he wants. It was a weird game because Lockett broke a long one.

Number 18 on the Seahawks. I can't remember what his name is, but he broke a long one. But it still doesn't feel like that Seahawks team, to not take care of that one at home with the quote-unquote 12th man makes me a little suspicious of them. I know it's early. I know it's only week two. But if you're a really good team, that game should be over, I feel like. Don't you think?

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, it should be over when, you know, was it Lockett who was open by like 25 yards? Like, I think like Tennessee's good for one of those. That's why they're never guaranteed a win. I don't care who they're playing, you know, because you could get that seven right back because there's going to be a faulty cover. Something's going to, with all these guys they signed,

it didn't seem to matter today. But, and then they grinded them out like Tannehill and do anything right. Did he even throw a touchdown pass? I don't think he actually did, but Julio Jones, that was called back for whatever. Well, Julio caught, no Julio caught one. And then the second one, it

seemed like he caught, right. And then they decided to overrule it, which was bizarre. That was, um, yeah. So I left halftime in that game. I was ready to have the whole who the fuck is going to win the AFC South conversation with you. But it's probably Tennessee. Yeah.

Wentz has already hurt. Wentz was, that was another pretty shaky Wentz game. That was the bad ankle to begin with, right? Yeah. He re-injured that one. Yeah, he rolled that bad. I don't know if he comes back. And if he doesn't, that Jacob Eason

is, well, that might be, so they play the Titans this week. That's exactly the kind of quarterback the Titans need to go against. Well, he came in and was awful. Yeah, second pass was a pick. He sailed one. Wentz is one of those guys, it's like, you know, if you watch

football all day with our friend Brad, he's gonna spill soda on himself and on the floor, right? It's just the way it's going to go. There's no way that's not happening. And I watched Winston. It's just like, he's going to fall awkwardly, get hurt, take some, at some point, it's not an accident. You kind of are who you are. Some people are more durable. Like you have, you know, kids in your kids class and there's that one kid who like breaks his arm and then breaks his toe and then falls off the ladder and gets, some, some people are just kind of injury prone or clumsy or whatever. Wentz is like a clumsy quarterback. I like the Brad analogy a lot. You just don't, you just don't want him to spill grape soda on himself when, you know, when relatives are walking through.

Yeah, it can't be an inopportune time is what you're hoping for. Like, it's like, oh, Carson Wentz is hurt. We'll see if he comes back. It's like, I'm just not surprised at all. I'm not surprised that he fell awkwardly as he was getting sacked on a dumb play. So, another one was Carolina looked good, but I'm not sure what to make of that yet. They killed the Saints. It was the classic regression game. They looked good, but I'm not sure what to make of that yet. They killed the Saints.

It was the classic regression game. They looked good on both sides of the ball. Darnold was fine. I saw him. I mean, his stats were kind of better than if you were actually watching him. He was fine. He wasn't like, I'm not going to be telling my grandkids about him. He threw downfield.

He's thrown downfield with some zip, which we talked about this. Adam Gacy, the way he should never work again, right? he's thrown downfield with some zip which which uh he is i mean we talked about this adam gacy the way he should never work again right because yeah this is a you know it's a it wasn't the jets i don't think um although zach wilson i don't know that's a whole nother thing we'll get to but we're getting to that i think darnold will be all right in that division i'm curious to see what the packers do but the saints can't be that much better than the Packers. And then the Panthers are that much better than the Saints, right? Which games are we throwing out, right? Of the first two. That's what you have to figure out. Well, who did... So the Seahawks killed the Colts last week.

And then the Colts played the Rams almost to a standstill today. And then the Titans got killed by the Cardinals, but then the Titans beat the Seahawks. Now the Seahawks will probably beat the Cardinals. We don't have enough of a sample. Yeah, there's like 20 teams that probably... But we will overreact week three. We'll think we know everything. One other thing really impressed me this week. We mentioned San Francisco.

Oh, the Raiders offense. It's kind of old school 70s. They figure out a way twice a game to get Ruggs or Edwards crossing the field full speed with basically one-on-one and Carr just chucks it. Ruggs is good. And it works. Ruggs is damn good.

And when they're double-teaming Waller, he's that much better. I mean, it's phenomenal with Derek Carr. I mean, how many yards does he have in the last two weeks? He's chucking it. 600. It's insane with Derek Carr. How many yards does he have in the last two weeks? He's chucking it. 600. It's insane. No Jacobs. Basically five and a half days rest.

They go back west to east. And we'll talk about... Actually, let's talk about him now. 817 yards in the last two weeks. Yeah. The Raiders, you called it. You had before the season. You liked them for some reason.

I had the Chargers. I like the Falcons too. No, but in that division, you had the Raiders. I had the Chargers. I think you might be right with the Raiders. The other thing that impressed me, Roethlisberger is so cooked that it's actually

kind of, it's fun to just to know. We have our answer with Roethlisberger. He's a well done steak that the chef accidentally left in the oven too long and he brought it out. And then now they're like, should we serve this? Or like, we can't, this is well done. Well, we should go ask the table. No, no, they don't want it. The steak is black. They're not interested. He's just done. I don't know what they do. I don't know why they didn't trade for Minshew. I don't know how they didn't plan for it. Their plan, basically,

for this is if Roethlisberger is done, we'll go to Dwayne Haskins. They have a lot of good skill players all over the place. They have a quarterback who can't move and who was done a year ago. I don't know what you do. I was wondering, like Juju Smith-Chuster, I have him in a fantasy league or two.

I see that he scored. It's like, oh, he ran it in like it's getting that bad like look juju i'm sorry i know we promised you a bunch of touchdowns and we say you're just gonna have to take the ball right gonna have to be in a handoff because we can't guarantee anything uh along the way uh and make a tiktok video out of that but yeah they don't want him throwing 40, 45, 50 times a game, Roethlisberger. And it always seems like he's up there trying to come back or do something stupid. He just looks old. It happened to Manning. We saw it happen with Manning.

We saw it happen with Breeze last year. Breeze was able to cheat it a little bit with these, like, just getting the ball really fast. Roethlisberger can't do that. And Najee Harris isn't busting any for 30 yards either. So that doesn't help. I think the only answer left is maybe cryo chamber

for like a half hour. You're only supposed to be in there for like four minutes. Wow. Maybe just leave them in like Jack Nicholson in The Shining. See if it works.

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This is the number one draft pick every year for losses like the one they had today. Their offense was great. It moved the ball the whole game. Murray kept throwing them picks every time they needed like a momentum turn. And then they actually had the ball at the end. They easily drove down in the field goal range and the guy scuffed the 37 yard. He pushed it right. And they lose a game. They

never should have lost. And it was kind of perfect, right? Cause you never really want Arizona regardless how good they looked last week. You don't want them. You don't want to give points with them at home. Like that's, you know, you're losing that. Right. But, uh, you know, the Vikings aren't winning either. Just with what goes on with Coach Zimmerman. I feel bad for him, but I don't know. And Dalvin Cook came to life, right? He had over 130 yards.

He was awesome in that game. This is just what's going to be with this team, right? We'll never get it. All their hurt defensive players are back. It doesn't really matter. They'll have guys that shine like Thielen and Jefferson more last year than this, although I guess he caught a touchdown today.

But I don't trust that team at all. That's why when everyone went crazy, what was their overall? They're like eight and a half or eight? I was like, yeah, that's right. They're seven and ten, eight and nine team for sure. Now they have to battle to get there. The best man at my wedding, Jeff Gala.

One of my closest friends. I texted him afterwards. I was just trying to be nice. I was like, Nick Vigil, you're kind of Viking because he used to love Scott. Scott, what the hell was their middle name? Scott Studwell. When we were in high school.

He texted me back. I refuse to watch any games except checking my phone occasionally unless it's playoffs or near. It's been paying dividends the last few years. It's just ridiculous. They've literally broken him. He's 52 years old. They have broken his spirit to the point that he doesn't watch them on Sundays anymore. He's just moved on. That would be a good documentary because I have a handful of people in my life who just stopped watching their favorite team. It's just like they'll find out about it at night and they don't even have to see one highlight or anything.

But it's just soul crushing is the word. They just can't get over the team. Well, we'll go through all the 0-2 teams in a second. But that's an 0-2 team that I'm not ready to write off yet because they can move the ball. They had over 400 yards in week one, even though they lost. And that game today,

anytime they needed to move the ball, they actually moved it. Cook had a really good game and took, I watched way more of that game than you did because you had Cowboys charge your same time. Cook took a bunch of hits. There were multiple times when it seemed like, oh, here we go, Cook injury.

But they can move the ball. I'm not ready to 100% write them off in that division. You know, without looking, how many yards do you think Kyler Murray had rushing?

I know he's your guy, so you probably know because you have him fantasy-wise. Not many. I would say less than 50. Yeah, I thought it was like 60, 70. Just by the way,

it felt like any time he took off, he did whatever he wanted, but he threw for 400 yards. That was the story. Yeah, well, that was my next who stayed the most on brand. I don't know if I'll do it again.

The Cliff Kyler gambling rollercoaster that you go on with that team. I only needed them to win. I wasn't going to lay the points for all the reasons you mentioned earlier. They're down 20 to seven. And then Kyler, who's just magnificent on certain series.

And it's just like, he's just, just make some of the craziest plays you've seen. All of a sudden they're winning. Now, all of a sudden he's scrambling around. He's throwing up for grabs again. Then he looks great again.

Cliff doesn't seem to understand time concept of clock, clock management. They had the ball at the end with a lead, first down, and Kyler runs out of bounds. Minnesota had three timeouts left.

There's like 240 left. And Gus and Aqib Tlaib, who were awesome today. But neither of them even were like, wow, that's stupid. You just ran out of bounds. Saved 40 seconds for them. You can't do that.

But they do the dumbest shit, and yet it worked today. But I don't know if I can do it with them. I think it's okay to bet them as an underdog, but I don't think you can put them in a tease, lay major points with them. I just would not advise it. It's too stressful.

I mean, they're one of the handful, maybe seven or eight now that I think about it. Offenses are really fun to watch, but you don't want to have any money on them at all, right? Like every game seems to be that Hail Mary against the Bills last year, right? Except just maybe slightly less dramatic. Although this one like rivals it really,

putting the Vikings away. They love the degree of difficulty. It's like, oh, we're on the two-yard line. Let's do this really cool Rondell Moore sweep thing where he's got to then extend the ball and then the ball gets taken,

fumbled, goes out of bounds. Just make it easy. You have Kyler Murray. It's almost like they want to protect him and not have him take too many hits. Anyway, they stayed on brand for me. I knew from last year. Be careful betting on those guys that did it anyway. Carson Wentz is Carson Wentz.

We mentioned him. He's just on brand forever. The Jets are in QB hell yet again, Sal. I mean, you see all the comparisons. Like, only Mark Sanchez did this. Like, only Alex Smith did this. Only three players had four interceptions and four completions like it's never been back-to-back interceptions three out of four passes intercept

like oh how many different ways can you kill this guy I jumped on board and made fun of him but I thought he was the best of the group going into this this season interesting I don't know if you count him out and this is before Romo copied me and said he thought so as well but um I don't know if you count them out. And this is before Romo copied me and said he thought so as well. But I don't know. I mean, you couldn't have. I don't know how impressed you are with the Patriots. What do you even take from that game? Other than that, the Jets are going to go like two and thirty three over the two years.

It's insane. I went on John Jastrzewski's pod after the game. We talked about it. I thought it was a terrible Patriots win. I thought they they actually should have won by way it. I thought it was a terrible Patriots win. I thought they actually should have won by way more. I didn't think they played well. And Zach threw them the ball a couple times.

And then they kind of, once they had the lead, it was fine. Harris was really good. But I think the Jets throwing Wilson out there against Belichick and that Pat Steen without two receivers, without his left tackle. Yeah, Beck didn't be.

He's the best player on the team. And JJ was like, they had to. They don't have a backup. And then you ask yourself, well, how the fuck don't they have a backup? They traded for Shaq Lawson before the start of the season. Why didn't they trade for Minshew or somebody? So they don't have a backup,

so they got to throw this guy to the Wolves. And we've seen, there's a history of these young quarterbacks in terrible situations who lose their confidence. It really seemed like he was going to have like seven interceptions today. He had four. There was like a quarter and a half left, or two quarters? Oh, yeah. Something like that. They ended up running 31 times, I think, just to save face. Because if

the headline is that he throws six picks, you're exactly right. Confidence is shot. And yeah, I mean, you see these guys, they try to do too much, and especially against a defense that was hungry like the Patriots after losing that first week. So I don't know. He can't be that bad, but this is not a good sign at all for the Jets. I mean, he's a Jet.

That's the problem. He's a freaking Jet. The mistake they made was going in on him in basically in January. And then when the Niners wanted to trade up that third pick and they were offering all that stuff at the jet should have taken that trade. Yeah. That the, that the third team,

who's the third team Philly. Yeah. Yeah. That should have been the jets. The jets should have been like, we'll take all that stuff. We'll move backwards and we might get somebody like Fields anyway. I just feel like you're bringing this guy into fail

and they've relived this over and over again. The Jets fans now are hitting that point like my friend Jeff where it's like, at what point is this worth it? Right. Like 15 years of this. 15, yeah. I mean, he looks up and Braxton Berrios is his number one receiver. Right.

I mean, he had seven catches. Wait by the Patriots. Pretty brutal. Can't all be my fault. Uh, more staying on brand. Brady's got nine touchdown passes. I know.

And I think, so the record's 55, 17 games. So we get an extra game. They're doing like weird stuff inside the five where they never run it ever. It's always like play action. It's the tight ends.

It's the Evans. It's the Godwin. It's like he's trying to rack up touchdowns. And Gronk is good for two a game now. It's stupid. It feels intentional to me. Yeah. I think he's like on a mission this year.

Reminds me of the 07 season a little bit when he clearly just wanted to have this crazy statistical season. This season has a little whiff of it. Also, their running backs aren't that good. I don't think four nets look that good. And they kind of need him to throw around there anyway. But nine touchdowns in two games, so that's 44. Yeah, they're going to do what they want.

Shit. Does he have nine already? What's his MVP number? Are these out already? Because this is... At some point, it gets ridiculous, and he has to win it, right? Doesn't the MVP part of that MVP dialogue have to be that he kind of convinced Gronk

to come out of retirement? Sure. He convinced him to get Antonio Brown. He convinced Godwin to come back. Yeah. They didn't really lose any free agents. He's like the guru of the entire team. He's got Alex Guerrero

probably involved with different people. I think he's got to be in the conversation. Well, he's third. So Mahomes and Murray are 5-1 and Brady is 10-1. And people are like, oh, why are you talking about this week too? It's like, well, from a gambling perspective, this is exactly when you have to talk about it, right? This is when you're going

to suck out the value of anything. And I, I liked Russell Wilson at 13. He went to 12. I like, I mean, I have like four guys. I bet for,

uh, you can't stop betting the MVP. You're like house with the NBA. How's that? How's that? Every NBA MVP candidate by the end of last season. He really did. Yeah.

Guys that weren't even in the league anymore. I think in an olden colonies for MVP this year, I think, but, uh, even Lamies for MVP this year, I think. But even Lamar is 16-1 now. I have to get away from this FanDuel page. By the way, I was in Tennessee this weekend. Oh, my God. It's so great to be able to bet.

I had the FanDuel app. I was going. I put in a bet probably every three minutes. I bet the first touchdown scored in every game and cup hit for plus 850. I was like, oh, I got to get rid of this money. I couldn't get it. I bet the first touchdown scored in every game and like cup hit for plus eight 50. I was like, Oh, I got to get rid of this money.

I couldn't get, I loved it. There's a thousand different things. I'm not being a shill, but we need fricking, we need to legalize California ready. This is so dumb. Nah.

What would California do with that extra revenue? Jesus. Yeah. What would they do with it? What would we like make things better here? Come on. Nah. We fix the roads. We fix the homelessness. Stop. What are we going to do? What would we like? Make things better here? Come on.

We fix the roads. We fix the homelessness. Stop. What are we going to do? It just bums me out. It was so easy. Well, you look at the Bucs. They're playing the Rams in LA this week.

If they win that, they got the Pats in week four. And then it gets pretty easy because they go Dolphins at Eagles, Bears at Saints. At Washington, home Giants. Bears at Saints, at Washington, home Giants, at Colts, at Falcons, home Bills, home Saints, at Panthers, at Jets, home Panthers. I went from thinking that they had a really tough schedule before the season to that schedule kind of sucks. Yeah, it's easy. It sucks for if you're rooting against them, you mean? Yeah. I remember trying to look for losses on that schedule and I'm like, oh man, I know it's hard to repeat and everything, but how is this not 12

and 5? At least, at least they're going to win the division. Well, look at it this way. We always say like, how many games will they be favored? What will they be favored by? They're going to be favored. Well, we'll get to the Rams-Bucks game in a second. I think the Rams will probably be favored in that, but after that, they might be favored if they're healthy

in every game the rest of the year. Every single one. Yeah. At Saints Week 8, the way from what we've seen in the first two weeks, they're going to be favored. At Colts, at Falcons Week 12, Week 13, they're going to be favored. What are their other road games?

At Carolina, they'll be favored. At Pats, at Eagles, at Saints, at Washington, at Colts, at Falcons, at Carolina, at the Jets. At the Jets? I don't know. So that Brady 5-1. I already have Mahomes 4-1, but I might have to put Brady 5-1

because I'm telling you, he's not an issue. Brady's 10-1. Mahomes and Murray. He's 10-1. Yeah, Mahomes and Murray are 5-1. Oh, my God. Yeah. 10-1?

Yeah, but as soon as anyone hears this podcast, it's going to go down to plus 650. We'll do it right when we finish the podcast. Slow this down, Kyle. More state on brand. Gus Johnson and Aqib Tlaib. That's one thing. I'm going to have to trust you on this.

I didn't have a lot of sound, audio in my travels this week Kyle come on the Zoom yeah yeah how much did we love Gus and Aqib oh

they were dropping sound bites left and right I was paying attention so hard anytime Arizona we had the four TVs anytime Arizona and Tennessee

were on we had them on the main TV so we could hear the sound like we never put Char we had them on the main TV so we could hear the sound. Like we never put Chargers Cowboys on the main TV unless it was a commercial or the Seahawks Titans or the Bucks Atlanta. They were really good. I like, and they actually like really liked each other. They had good chemistry. They were doing like coming out of timeouts with like a keeps vision, like these little plant things. And it keeps just like, I'm just going to be me. I'm not going to try to sound like an announcer.

I love that. I thought, uh, I thought that it was a huge win for Fox. I know you like him. I just, I challenge you to put anyone with Gus and make it a bad, uh, broadcast.

Like, I don't, I don't see, I'm trying to think like who it's true. Gus is right. Like I do love Gus. You're right. You're right. I don't know. I don't know why I'm overthinking it. Like be best. I do love Gus. You're right. You're right.

I don't know. I don't know why I'm overthinking it. If you put Kristen Stewart with Gus, it would still be an A-plus team, I think. Who's Jay Leno with Gus? Could Gus save Jay Leno at this point? Yeah, Leno could interject with his silly cars, and it would still be a great game.

Who they are! What's coming up with these two-point conversions, Gus? All right. The only other on brand was Million Dollar Picks. We won money again. Granted, we barely won money because the Chiefs screwed us, but we won money again on Million Dollar Picks. So we have not had a losing game.

I'm going to give you credit because I kind of laughed at you here. We had the Jets, Patriots, and the line was what? Three and a half at open? Now it jumped up to six, but you guessed nine. And that was even low for what we presented. I still don't understand why the line...

I will say I thought the Jets' defense was pretty good. I thought they were fast. There's going to be... The Jets' defense will steal a game for them in the next three. They just... Wilson needs to play with the lead.

Unfortunately, he's playing behind. All right. I'm going to give you four 2-0 teams. Okay. And you tell me which one you're buying the most and buying the least. We'll do most first. Raiders, Panthers, Cardinals, Broncos. Which one do you like the most?

Raiders, Panthers, Broncos. Cardinals, Broncos. Card one do you like the most? Raiders, Panthers, Broncos, Broncos, Cardinals. Okay. I'll see. I don't have the benefit of having everyone's schedule in front of me, but I'll stick with the Raiders being number one. I think they make both good play, big plays on both sides of the ball. I think that offense could be tough to stop. I think they have an upset against the Chiefs in them. Probably week 10 or week 11 right in there. I say they're number one. I'll give you the schedule quick.

I'll give you the next five. Yeah. Home Dolphins. Oh, they should kill them. They should win that. At Chargers, Monday night. Home Bears, at Broncos, at home for Eagles, week seven. So they could be five and two coming out of that.

I think that's fair. And then they have at Gi, week seven. So they could be five and two coming out of that. I think that's fair. And then they have at Giants week nine. But their two Chiefs games are in the second half of the year. They also have at Browns in week 15. And at Cowboys on Thursday, that Thanksgiving game. Is it weird to say I trust the Broncos second? Because they're in the same division. The Chiefs are...

I don't know that I trust the Cardinals. I don't think they'll trust the Cardinals as a... I don't think they'll be like 9-5 at any point, right? I don't trust the Cardinals. I got Raiders, Broncos, Panthers, we still haven't seen them play a good team yet.

So I'd have them last. Cardinals at least can move the ball. I gotta say with the Cardinals, they did a nice job if A.J. Green can stay healthy. They have four receivers that I think I really like. Yeah. Because Rondell Moore is a stud.

That guy is really, really fun. I don't think anyone ever expected Kyle O'Meara to throw for 400 yards. And believe me, the Vikings have playmakers too on the other side of the ball. All right. Which 0-2 team do you still believe in?

Here are the nominees. All right. We have six 0-2 teams. Jets, Giants, Jaguars, Colts, Falcons, Vikings. And I think the number, I heard Ben Solak say this on Friday's Ringer NFL show, you're 90% out of the playoffs if you start at 0-2. One out of every 10 times. Yeah, but that's before the extra team was in, right? And the extra game. Now we have extra games and extra teams. Don't bring logic into this, Sal. I'm just telling you the percentages. It's 90%. We said the Jets.

Didn't we kick them out already? Yeah, the Jets are out. Jets are out. I think we made the right call. The Giants, that was a ridiculous game to lose, already? Yeah, the Jets are out. I think we made the right call. The Giants, that was a ridiculous game to lose, but I didn't see them going to a Jaguar. Jaguars could go

a while without winning. I really do think I don't know. It's just not right just yet. I would say Colts and then Falcons second. Oh no, I would mess with this Falcons team. I can't leave them. I would... I'm going to mess with this Falcon team. I can't leave them.

I can't do it. So the case for Indy would be they can block. Defense is pretty good. They've had some injuries at receivers. So maybe by like week seven, week eight, when they have everybody back,

they'll have a little more firepower. I can't believe I'm saying this because I do think they're completely cursed. But I think the Vikings are the best of those six teams. From what I saw today, we watched that game pretty close. It's just so hard to separate fantasy from what we're seeing. Vikings, you would gladly take four fantasy guys on any of your teams, right? Well, it's weird, though. They kind of have a pass rush, too.

But they have a pass rush. Yeah. And they can move the ball. The thing with them is they can get like a third and nine or third and 12 if they need it, right? If they have like a third and one, they can get it. Like they can keep the chains moving which is you know yeah i'm looking at their offensive stats and there's no nothing to suggest they

should have lost like cook went yeah 131 cousins wasn't bad at all three touchdowns no interceptions 22 for 32 and defensively like how many first downs hendrix uh how many first downs to that team yeah i don't think they keep those stats. No. Our first down, 22 to 21. So Vikings 22, Cardinals 21. 22 first downs. Plus they had like a 70-yard touchdown.

Yeah. Can I give you some Matt Ryan stats? Yeah. Jump in there. Since 2017, since the Super Bowl loss, he's 28 and 37. Wow. Since 2018.

So 18, 19, 20, and the two games this year is 18-37. Mm-hmm. 109 TDs, 47 picks since the Super Bowl loss. Mm-hmm.

It might be... It's close to done. There was a play that we were laughing at today when he just sailed it over Ridley's head on like an out. And Ridley did the thing where he stopped and then they cut the close up and he was just kind of like, really? This fucking guy?

Like, he just had. I don't think it's going to last long with him. I don't know if they have a backup, but man, they. Well, Josh Rosen jumped in there and put together a.8 QBR. I mean, he was open. Chosen? Chosen. Chosen.

He took the last two snaps before TB12 took a knee and put him out of their misery. But you have a guy like Kyle Pitts who's like, hey, I'm a once-in-a-generation player, and you're making me look like shit here. Yeah. He's another one whose stats never add up, Matt Ryan, right? He's always around 46, 47, 4,900 yards. Their defense is always

25th. When I say always, let's just say since the Patriots, they're between 25th and 31st defensively every year. And that didn't get better today. Although there were two defensive touchdowns, right? The Tampa? Yeah. Not great. I'll tell you, Arthur

Smith, I had higher hopes. Every time they cut to him on the sideline, it looks like he's trying to catch flies with his mouth. He's got that deer in the headlights. Does not inspire a lot of confidence. I thought he was a really good offensive quarter, and it might be not up to the job. Before we

guess the lines, the underdogs now 21-10 for the season. Is that what it is? They were 9-6 this week, including Thursday. 21-10 for the season. Every year, we is? Yeah. There were nine and six this week, including Thursday. And 21, 10 for the season. Every year we know this is going to happen. And every year.

You're going to get some shitty ones like the Jets in there and everything. But the, but the Raiders was easy. Yeah. It was a great game, but I love taking the Vikings. There were just some easy ones like the Tennessee. You bought,

you liked it too, right? Getting six and a half, even with the 12th man. I stayed away. I was afraid of Seattle. I ended up liking the Panthers. I bet on the Panthers.

Yeah. Because once they had that thing about how the Saints lost half of their coaching staff, I was like, I'm in. I'm betting Panthers. Right. Yeah, that's- Panthers plus three. It's weird what matters.

Like, yeah, losing seven coordinators, that does matter. Seems like that would matter all right we're gonna take a break come back with guest lines when you ride transit please be safe yeah be safe because what you do others will do too others will do it too so don't take shortcuts across tracks don't do that in fact just don't walk on tracks at all. Not at all. Trains move quietly so you won't hear them coming. You won't hear them coming. See? Safe riding sets an example.

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your cousin Katie's wedding. Yeah. Which made me feel super old because once upon a time you were one of the Kimmel show. When I used to hang out during the days when Kimmel was doing his monologue, helping him with that.

And Katie would come in on Wednesdays. What was she like? How many years ago is that? 2003? They had like bunk beds, right? Yeah. Yeah, they had the bunk beds there. She was like doing her homework.

And now she's a married person. It's so weird. It was a great wedding and she's very artsy. And so was her husband, Will. And it was a lot of fun. And yeah, it a married person. It's so weird. It was a great wedding and she's very artsy. And so was her husband, Will. And it was a lot of fun. And yeah, it's just weird. I think she's the first.

I saw her grow up. I was an adult when I saw her at like two or three. I was like, so this is the first of those weddings. So that's, I don't want to get emotional, but it was a lot of fun. But I was in Tennessee, in Nashville, where I should have been watching that Cowboys game. We haven't even mentioned that Cowboys-Chargers game. Let's do it now.

Instead of being at that game, I may or may not have been at a Dave & Buster's with Clay Travis watching games all day. Wait, how did you fly back? I flew back right when the cowboys game ended oh wow basically yeah oh man you just made it maybe a half hour before yeah yeah so uh but i

was getting everything on the plane but yeah you would think that would be like uh i would rather watch a football game with clay travis and a dave and busters during a pandemic. And that's what I ended up doing. But how about, so I heard it was like 70, 30 Cowboys fans. I averaged out anyone who was there. I was like, I need to know this. And they're like, yeah, 70, 30 Cowboys fans. That sounds about right. But what didn't sound about right is they, like you said, they punted once, one punt between both teams and the under hit by 20 points. There's this weird thing going on with your team where Pollard is now as good as Zeke. Oh yeah. And it's not like Zeke, I don't think he's bad or anything.

It's just, you have these two really good running backs now. It was fine. He had almost a hundred combined Zeke. Yeah. I didn't mind him today. Yeah. So you just have a ton of firepower because it just seems like anytime you're on offense, it just seems like five guys can

make something happen at all times, which was weird because I thought the Chargers defense did a pretty good job in that game. And I think in general, I think they have a good defense. But yeah, I mean, Dak only had like 230 around there. And, you know, Herbert beat him by like 100 yards. I mean, when Herbert throws,

God, he's got one of the best cannons I remember in a long time, right? I feel like he could do a ton of damage. Mahomes style. He should be putting up 40 and not 17 and certainly not against this defense who stepped up finally. I said this on JJ's pod

because JJ's a Dolphins fan. If I was a Dolphins fan and they took two over Herbert, I would not be able to sleep at night. Because Herbert, Keenan Allen I really like, but for the most part, they can barely block for him the whole

thing. And then you watch Miami who can't really block either, but I think they probably have a better foundation. They have more young up-and-coming players, stuff like that. That's such a tough one. Tua got hurt again. I know he got popped, and that's not his fault. QBs get hit, but

he just seems like he's hurt a lot. Then when I watch him in the game, I'm not exactly impressed. They were losing that game. They just were. Buffalo, coming off a loss, hung 60 on them last, what was that, week 17 or something last year when Miami needed to win to get in.

It was about to be a similar thing. Oh, did we come up with a name for when the same team has the ball for 45 minutes? They're never on the field whenever you look? No, I don't think we did. Did we get any? Because that was that Miami game. Miami had the ball for the entire

no, for the entire second quarter, Miami had the ball. And they were just in quicksand, kind of sort of going forward and driving, but not really. And their defense kept shutting down Buffalo. It was 14-0 forever. And Brissette had come in for two and he couldn't do anything.

And then eventually Buffalo got the third touchdown. That was it. But Buffalo, yet again, not crazy impressive. They got 50 yarder. Now that I look at it, that guy only had 179 passing yards. He wasn't that good in that game.

They got a single Terry had like a 50 yarder to start the game. Then Miami had a dumb something happened where all of a sudden it was 14-0. And then Miami had the ball for an hour and couldn't do anything. So Miami now 17 points in two games total. And they could have taken Justin Herbert. That's pretty tough.

I think your team is the second best. At least the second best in the division. I would feel good about that for you. I know you want your quarterback to be a little more advanced than he is, but he may be more advanced than Tua, who might not even be able to stay on the field. He might have gone against two good, fast, young defenses those first two weeks.

I want to see him against a shit defense when he has time. Jets were in his mug today. It was frustrating. I kept thinking they were going to spread out for him, and it just never happened. But yeah, the,

uh, the year team against the chargers, I felt like that was a worse loss for the chargers than it was a good win for the Cowboys. Would you agree with that? Yeah. I mean, I would have started getting like,

I have this thing where I'm like, all right, well, we're still not losing against the NFC East and we have the Eagles this week, but you know, could have, maybe should have, whatever you want to say, beat Tampa Bay. And if I would have been mad if that

was, we had two games that we really could have and should have won, but yeah, it seemed like not a typical Chargers loss, but, um, they, they, they could have snatched it away from Dallas. How would you compare McCarthy's coaching to, to Daniel year one of the Kimmel show? I gasped. I don't think Daniel ever made me gasp on a plane. I said, you have got to be kidding me. And everybody turned and looked at me like, what? What's wrong?

And like, no one else is watching this game except me. I'm a sling player or whatever. But what are you? How did they that nine seconds left? They ran one play with 20 seconds left and ate the timeout. It's like, all right, 57 yard field goal on the road. Shaky kicker.

We got this. We're good. It's a miracle they came out of that with a win. He always looks agitated and put out when they cut to him on the sidelines. He's been completely surprised by some sort of outcome he didn't expect. Very strange. I'll forever be happy Jason Garrett's gone,

so this guy's going to have to do a lot. Probably something to my family specifically for me to just go postal on him. But for now, we'll take that win. Well, I thought Washington was going to win that division. They're not good. The Giants aren't good. I'm not willing to... Washington's planet quarterback can't be

Taylor Heineken. It just can't. But also, their defense isn't... You were right. Whoever told me on this pod that Washington's defense was smoke and mirrors, I think it was you. I'm going to raise my hand. You're right. They faced not-so-good quarterbacks last year.

And some of those guys are back, but the schedule will get tougher. Freaking Danny Jones is moving the ball up and down. All right. Week three lines. I won week one. You won week two. I got to admit, I got overconfident in week two. Put no time in it at all.

I tried a little harder this week. I was off on a lot of these, I can tell you already. But there's one disgusting one. Thursday night, Panthers are playing Houston and Davis Mills will be your Texans quarterback. Is that for sure? Yeah, it looks like it. I mean, as we're taping it, it seems like Tyrod is, and Tyrod was playing really well in both of those games. And it's a bummer. Pulling hard for him to win player of the year. Right. I mean, the doctor's mistake,

like who's, who's better suited on this, on this team. Well, you saw how he got his injury this year, this game, right? I didn't see it. No,

I didn't see that one. That same chargers doctor ran on the field and stabbed him with the needle again. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's, no, you know how Michael Myers came back at Halloween kills? Same thing. It's the sequel. The doctor's back trying

to kill Tyra Taylor. I feel like he should get a restraining order at this point. Seriously. That's too much. It's too much. I did see something crazy with the new, this board, new coach. Like it seems overmatched here. What did he do? What did I send you? Yeah. I sent, I just sent it to you. So Cully,

yeah, it was third and 15. Yeah. They got a 13-yard play that would have made it fourth and two, or there was an offsides, and they could have made it a third and 10. He accepted the penalty to make it fourth and two at midfield and then punted. And they cut to Stefanski, who was like, wait, what the fuck is going on?

He was just completely confused. No, that's good. We'll take the yards. It'll be better for our punt. We'll push them further back. We don't have a play where we can get 10 yards. Third and 10. Now we'll take fourth and two.

Cully. That team has a pastor running the entire organization, and they have a guy who accepts sport penalties and punts. I mean, he's 60 and he was never a coordinator. God bless him, but this team has enough stacked against him.

Jesus. Tough time for Houston sports right now. All right. I have Panthers favored by five in Houston. We both said five. It's seven. No one's trusting this Houston team with Davis Mills.

Davis Mills was the guy that the Patriots allegedly were going to take. If Mack didn't follow them, that was the guy they were allegedly going to take in the second round. It means you got lucky. It might have been that. Our marquee game for Sunday.

I know I sent you Chiefs Chargers for this, but I've changed my mind. I think I sent you Chiefs Chargers for this, but I've changed my mind. I think it's Rams-Bucks the more I think about it. I'm more interested in that game. Wow, so that fourth quarter swayed you. You're not happy with the Chiefs. They got bounced. And plus, when I did the Lions,

I didn't realize the Chargers were going to lose to the Cowboys. So anyway, I got Rams-Bucks. I think this is the last time this year the Bucks are underdogs. I have the Rams by one and a half at home against the Cowboys. So anyway, I got Rams, Bucs. I think this is the last time this year the Bucs are underdogs. I have the Rams by one and a half at home against the Bucs. You nailed it. I thought they'd get the full three, and I thought everyone would be like, oh, that's too high.

What we have to know is, I know Brady doesn't have this in his DNA where he reacts like other players, but how much are they looking forward to the New England game right now? Or is he looking past this game is what I'm saying. It would be easy. I don't think so. It's too much. I think he's in

17-0, 60 touchdown mode. I think he's trying to destroy. Evans kept getting hurt in the game today. I can't tell if he's like Vince Carter or what's going on, but he would limp out. It was like, oh my god, Evans blew out his knee and then he would be back the next series. And then he'd be pointing again to come out.

So I don't know if they're getting him healthy. Um, but with the Rams, Henderson got hurt. Sonya Michelle finished the game for them. The, they, they seem like they're a receiver short, but I'm not sure it matters. Cause Cooper cup is now the best receiver since Jerry Rice for some reason. He's just completely demolishing everybody. Stafford loves that guy.

I asked this pod on Thursday to Craig Horlbeck. I know he's not the best receiver in the league, but is he second for fantasy? For fantasy? Yeah. If all the receivers went back

in the pool and you had the second pick, Tyreek is the first pick. Would you take Cup second or would you take somebody else? Because I think I would take Cup. I like that guy Schwartz on Cleveland.

Schwartz. Yeah, I guess would take Cup. I like that guy Schwartz on Cleveland. Schwartz. Yeah, I guess it's Cup. The nominees are like Devontae, Diggs, Jefferson. Yeah, let's see a couple more games at Adams, I think, before we commit to this. Stafford loves Cup. Anytime they need a first down, they go to him. Yeah, for sure.

So, for the people listening at home, I assume you're listening. There's only two watchable games. There's five barely watchable games and there's a five game poopfecta. This is not a good week three. I don't know why it worked out this way. Maybe there's not a lot of good teams.

These two watchable games, Patriots home for the Saints, I think is a fun game for a variety of reasons because the Saints are either they turned into a pumpkin in week two, or that was just a bad game. I don't know what, all bets are off with the Saints now. And then with the Patriots,

I kind of feel the same way. So I had the Pats by three. I didn't know what to do with this I know you love them I thought it would only be two But it is three People don't believe in Jameis And you love them and you're going to bet them like crazy

I know you are on Friday I'm going to put $750 million On the Pats minus three $10 million picks $3,700 million Schrager you just sit there and nod Don't you dare disagree with me That's what I'm betting on the Pats

Don't step on my Patriot bet Schrager Pats minus three Yeah so you get that one too And then the other one is Chiefs Chargers And KC And I am going to Knock this down by a half point From what I sent you just from what we saw in that Chiefs game I'm going to knock this down by a half point from what I sent you,

just from what we saw in that Chiefs game. I'm going to say Chiefs by seven against the Chargers. Wow. I would have gone, oh, you're a jerk because you'll get it. So I said six, and it's six and a half. So we both get it, but I would have gone up if I changed it at all. What's the data behind them losing two in a row? Did they do that last year? I think it's tough when

the other team runs for eight yards a carry against you for four straight quarters. Yeah, that's not great. And there was like no sign that that is ever going to change with any team that has a good running back. Right. Well, that'd be a good game. I'm actually looking forward to both times those teams match up.

It'll be fun. Everyone is looking forward to that times those teams match up. It'll be fun. Everyone is looking forward to that game, except offense fans. Barely watchables. We got five. We got the Bills at home against Washington. I think I went too low on this. I said Bills by six. That's probably too low.

Yeah, I went seven. It's eight and a half. Yeah, that's stupid. But you're right. Before the season, this was probably, what, a four and a half, five point? Everyone was in love with Washington. Yeah. I'm no longer even in like with Washington. No.

We'll see with the Bills. Something doesn't look right with them yet, but this also happened to them last year, and then they figured it out. So maybe by November, it'll get going. Next one is Titans-Colts. You would have thought this would be in the watchables, but this might be Jacob Eason.

Well, I need to know that because I put a gigantic number on it if it is Jacob Eason. I said eight. And what'd you go with? I went low. I said Titans by three. They're going to be closer.

It's four and a half. There's a line on it already. So do they really just not care if it's Eason or Wentz? Not that Wentz is going to make me excited to take the Colts, but my God, Jacob Eason. I don't know. Does he get a full week of practice? Is it a different story?

He was one of those when August, when it just gets really dark for information and stories and people, you're watching SportsCenter and they cut to somebody and they're like, I'll tell you, the Colts really like this Jacob Eason. And that's like somebody's segment live from Indianapolis. Good for them. I saw him throw two balls today and I did not share their sentiments. I did not like Jacob Eason as much.

We'll see what happens. Rams didn't even care about getting a first down towards you. I'm like, we'll pin them at their 10 with 40 seconds left. And there's no way they're going to get in field goal range. Yeah. Titans. Who knows? They might be back.

So if we're going to explain like the week one overreaction and then the week two correction, the Titans at least have like a fair case for it because they had a whole bunch of COVID stuff. Right. You know, they're home. There's heat, they hadn't practiced a lot. And it was just kind of, maybe you throw that week one away. I don't know. I, I, I'm, I got my guard up with them. Well, it's all Derrick Henry. It's all, isn't it all Derrick Henry? Like he, he had 58 yards rushing the first week. Uh, you know, he averaged like three and a half yards per carry. And then, then you start buying

into the, Oh boy. yeah, too much mileage. No way he's coming back. And then you have Ryan Tannehill as your quarterback with no Derrick Henry. But no, he's way back. Another barely watchables. I didn't put this in the poopfecta because I actually think this is watchable

in a car crash kind of way. Steelers, Bengals, it's in Pittsburgh. And if Ben sucks in this game in the first quarter, what is the reaction of the fans? Yeah, they're going to be... Well, I'm just surprised because the way you're talking,

I would think you'd go low with this, but you went very high with this line. I did. I said Steelers by eight at home. I said six. It's four and a half. So, Fandel thinks it's going to be even a better game than we did. I said Steelers by eight at home. I said six. It's four and a half. So Fandle thinks it's going to be even a better game than we do. Well, I think that's an indictment of how bad the Steelers are.

I didn't see how they came back. I didn't have that. Dave and Buster didn't have the Bengals Bears on, but they were down 20 to three and they had two touchdowns. It was to borrow to Chase and Higgins. Was that what they did to come back? I did not see a lot of the Bengals-Bears game. That did not make my list.

But some rudimentary internet sleuthing said that the Bengals' problems persist with being able to protect Burrow. Burrow has not looked that comfortable, all that stuff. He threw three interceptions on three straight passes? Yeah. It's not great. And everyone got what they wanted with fields. So he's,

he's in now. That's Zach Taylor. If they got killed in that game, I think has to move into first coach fired watch. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You're right. That was a good head to head for that.

We didn't even, we didn't even seize on that early. There were three injuries within like four minutes. It was like Dalton went out, Baker went out for a minute. Who was the third guy when Tua went out? It really happened within like six minutes. You get to know the backups and like, oh my God,

why is he still around? Why is it Minshew playing? My guy. Raiders, Dolphins, this is in Vegas. I had the Raiders by three against Miami and I like the Raiders. Let me find this. Oh, there's a Laker. Yeah, I'm closer.

I said five. It's four and a half. Okay. I think they're so much better than Miami. Here's two red flags. One is anytime we've trusted John Gruden in a position like this, it's usually gone badly, right?

With this and during this Raiders run. Yeah. I think this is a kitchen sink game for the Dolphins because they've scored 17 points in two games. I don't know who their quarterback is going to be, but I think there's a lot of goofy stuff from them this game. A lot of double reverses, flea flickers, Jay Lovato throwing a pass.

I'm prepared for a lot of weirdness. You know, we're historians, so we knew the Raiders give the Steelers a fit. It doesn't even matter how bad the Raiders are, right? In history or where they're playing. And remember last year, this Dolphins-Raiders game, I think it was like the day after Christmas. Wasn't that a Thursday night game? I think it was a the day after Christmas. Wasn't that a Thursday night game?

I think it was a Thursday night game. Oh, that was a good game, yeah. That was probably the best game. Yeah, Dolphins won 26. Was Mariota in that game for a minute? Yeah. Yeah, they might be freaked out by this Dolphins team. Maybe that line is too high.

You might not have seen this, but there was a play when the Raiders got, I think a touchdown and Carr got hit late. And it was kind of a cheap shot and the ref missed it. And it looked like he was actually really hurt. Really? But Mariota's hurt too. Oh yeah.

And that game was about to go into putt and then he kind of limped off. But there was this two minute run where it was like, oh, he really got hurt. And I was watching it thinking like, wow, that'd be really bad for them if Derek Carr got hurt. That's how well he's playing. Yeah.

If that had happened even two weeks ago, I'd be like, oh, they're fine. They'll put Mariota in. But now, the way Carr is playing, no Mariota. Can Minshew just be all-time backup quarterback for anyone who needs it? He just floats around? Yeah. Why can't he just be on a seven-day contract? It'd be tough.

I don't know where he starts the Sunday. Is he right in the middle of the country? Is he in Nebraska? Like, all right, we need you in Oakland. All right, now go back. All right, the Bears? Okay, the Bears need you now. Well, what if they build him a Minshew cruiser,

like the Madden cruiser? Oh, that's good. And he's just around in the cruiser. Whoever needs a QB, he signs with them for that week. Take what Fitzpatrick did. Just bring it to another level. I like it. All-time QB. All-time backup QB.

Yeah. Uh-oh. Houston, Tyra Taylor's out. The Minshew Cruiser is headed to Houston. One more barely watchable. Seahawks-Vikings. An incredible must win for the Vikes. 0-3. I don't know what

the percentages are for 0-3, but can't be good. And then the Seahawks coming off a bad loss. Well, they're back to their one score nonsense, right? Every game they're in is a one score. The first one, they took that game against the Colts. They forgot who they were. Went to overtime with the Titans.

This is probably one score or two. And I don't know. What did you have? What did you have exactly? This game's in Minnesota. I had the Seahawks one and a half. Yeah, you nailed it exactly. I had two.

So you're up. No, it's 5-5 now, including ties. I don't know what to think. I mean, it's an absolute stay away, right? Yes. How can you feel any confidence in either of these teams? Kirk Cousins is the rare quarterback that makes you feel terrible, whether you're on him or against him on a bet.

Against him, he's kind of scary. All of a sudden, he can scramble for 20 yards. You're like, oh, I forgot he was fast. Or he'll throw this beautiful deep ball. You bet on him and you're just nervous the whole time assuming he's going to cut your legs off. Oh, he's a slow start or something, right?

You need the fourth quarter to even get back in it. Yeah. I don't like the look on his face. Yeah. Either way, you lose with Kirk Cousins. Poop Fecta, we'll rip through these. Ravens are in Detroit. Now, it's interesting. We don't know if Detroit is slightly better than maybe people realize,

which is how I felt about Houston. And I think I would have been right if Taylor didn't get hurt. I think that game was going to continue to be close. I have Ravens by six in Detroit. It's probably low coming off a win. It's a little low. I said six and a half, and it's seven and a half.

Yeah. This is a tough one. Maybe Detroit sneaks up on them. Big emotional win, even though Detroit's coming off a short week. Ravens dying to be teased. Yep, for sure. So if you think the Lions are going to look like shit in that Packers Monday night game, I would tease this Ravens game now

smart Giants are home Giants are home for the Falcons this will be a game that comes down to the last four minutes and one of the two quarterbacks will make a terrible play and cost their team the game I just don't know who

Giants by three is my pick yeah you're right these games suck and this is the one I was off by the game. I just don't know who. Giants by three is my pick. Yeah, you're right. These games suck, and this is the one I was off by the most, and I should be ashamed of myself. I said Atlanta by one and a half because I still think Atlanta's good, and I still hate the Giants more than any professional franchise out there, but I let

it get the best of me, and I was off four and a half points. The Giants should be favored by three. I know people saw a lot of good things there. They lost another lineman, though, but they should have won the game. Slayton drops the ball. Jones has a huge run. It's called back on a phantom penalty. Definitely should have won the game. Guy jumps off sides, Lawrence, but I still don't trust him. I mean, how do I trust the Falcons either? The Falcons went into this season going, we figured out something with Cordero Patterson

that over the last 15 years, nobody has figured out. Did you pick him up? No, Brad did, but you have to change the West Coast. What do you mean? Well, Brad has Cordero Patterson eligible at receiver and

running back now if he wants it. Because Patterson eligible at receiver and running back now. Oh. If he wants it. Because Patterson's basically playing running back. Right. Yeah. And I have Juwan Johnson as a tight end or receiver.

I like the multi-position eligibility. I like that. It's the one good thing CBS does. Yeah, I had to change that. It's literally the one good thing they do other than send sarcastic blurbs to the team owners. They can go crazy. They can go rogue and make Zerline a tight end or something. Then who knows what happens. We're trusting CBS.

Cardinals at the Jags. This has all the makings of everybody getting creamed. Yeah. I have the Cardinals favored by five. It's probably a little higher than that. Nobody has taken the Jags in this game. It's in Jacksonville. And I think they screw over just a wide array of gamblers in this.

Yeah, you might be right. I said seven and it's seven and a half. So when you talk about your teaser, that road teaser of Baltimore over Detroit and Arizona over Jacksonville just looks way too easy to be true. The Cardinals cannot stop the run at all. Not even a little. So if the Jags can run the ball at all and get a lead, who knows?

I would not put the Cardinals in a tease. You're right. These games suck. I don't like what... The first two you read were good. Yeah, we're in trouble. You think you're getting rid of the bad one with Carolina-Houston. You think you're getting rid of it.

Right. Broncos-Jets, another bad one. I have the Broncos by 7.5. I had 8.5. It's 10.5. They're not playing around with the Jets. Come on. Well, this is a good defense.

You're not going to score by accident on Denver. Wait, so you mocked me that I thought the Pats were favored by nine against the Jets partially because I knew the Jets sucked. I apologized. I said I was wrong. Well, Vegas should apologize to me. Yeah. Well, they are by making this

ten and a half. Broncos? Teddy Bridgewater's looked, I think, really good. Now, can't say the competition's been awesome, but if you're a Broncos fan Teddy Bridgewater has looked, I think, really good. Now, can't say the competition's been awesome, but if you're a Broncos fan, you drew lock last year. You have a quarterback now who at least can complete passes to open receivers. That's a bonus.

They're winning games they should win, right? Yeah. It's kind of something they weren't familiar with in the last few years. It's like, oh, third and sixth, that guy was open, and then our quarterback threw the football to him, and the guy caught it, and now the chains have moved, and we get three more.

Yeah, two gloves probably won't win as a six-point underdog anytime soon, but he'll take care of business against these crap teams, I think. Yeah, no question. Browns at home playing the Bears. I don't know what's going on with the Browns receivers. Odell missed today. Landry got hurt playing the Bears. I don't know what's going on with the Browns receivers. Odell missed today.

Landry got hurt during the game. A lot of Peoples, Jones, and Schwartz. And Mayfield somehow doesn't throw incompletions anymore. And then they can run the ball wherever they want. But this looks like we'll get fields. This is a nice spot for him. And, you know, I shouldn't have,

I'm going to give you a chance to change this. Cause I'm going to change this. Yeah. I'm putting this at 11. Yeah, no, no, no.

I'm, I'm putting this in the watchables too. Oh yeah. I apologize. This shouldn't have been in the poop FECTA. Okay. I have Browns by 11. Yeah.

Well, you have an 11 point fair. That's why it's in the poop FECTA. I said fives by 11. Yeah, well, you have an 11-point fair. That's why it's in the poopfecta. I said five and a half. It's seven and a half. Jesus. Do people think the Bears are good when I'm missing?

The Bears get a lot of respect. They just in the last couple years. I don't even think they have a good defense. Right. I'm putting it in the watchables. All those guys did all right. All those guys,

I think they all had sacks there. Roquan Smith and, and, uh, who else? Well, Roquan Smith and who else? Roquan Smith had a touchdown. Yeah, right. He scored. Quinn, Khalil Mack, Roquan Smith, they all did well.

Four sacks today. I'm moving that to the watchables because I want to watch Justin Fields, and I'm excited for him, and I think he's going to be a really good pro, and it'll be really fun if he's way better than Zach Wilson and Trey Lance. Yeah. Even though he went 10 picks later. Well, people are getting what they want, right? I mean, I thought, keep the kid out against the Rams week one. And, you know, so fine. Or put him in

spot, you know, a couple plays here or there. And now, throwing him to the Lions. Sunday night, 49ers home for the Packers. This is 49ers by three. It's textbook. It's my lock of the week. 49ers by three.

I had three. It's up to three and a half right now. Oh, geez. Five, six, seven, eight. Is that because of the DeVar and Rogers? I mean, if you do the transitive property or whatever that is, the Packers got killed by the Saints who look like dog shit today.

Right. So is it possible the Packers are neck and neck with the Lions tomorrow? Then you are looking at three and a half or more for San Francisco. I have no, well, we'll know more tomorrow night. Right. But that's a good game. That's another good Sunday night game. And I think the night games this season have been excellent.

There's only one, only the Rams bears was not good. Right. Everything else is good. I gotta say, even that one was kind of fun for a blowout because Stanford was airing it out and we got to see like this new Rams team. I've enjoyed every day.

Fine. But giants, Washington came down to the wire. Dallas, Tampa came down to It was fine, but Giants, Washington came down to the wire. Dallas, Tampa came down to the wire. This one, Baltimore, KC came down to it. Monday night, Cowboys at home for the Eagles. Yeah. True or false, if they said Minshew was starting week three,

you'd be more nervous. Oh, I think I would. I don't know. I can't. Hurts might be the quarterback I have the most trouble figuring out. Me too. I came out of week one thinking he was a star.

I came out of week two being like, what the fuck just happened? I was like, oh, he's so fast. He's making great decisions. I don't know either. I have no feel for him at all. I have Cowboys by three and a half. You nailed it.

I don't know. I went high on this. I said six. Only because I think six. Get the fuck out of here. That's what I said to you with the Patriots. They're going to win that game by six. We'll see.

Speaking of wins. You beat me? You lost, sports guy. Wow, you have a two to one lead after three weeks. I don't think that's ever happened. Alright, I'll take it. We're going to take a break Yep. Wow. You have a two to one lead after three weeks. I don't think that's ever happened. All right. I'll take it. We're going to take a break and then we'll come back and do some parent corner. Today's parent corner is brought to you by Nissan.

The Nissan Pathfinder's intelligent four by four can help you return to some legendary off-roading and mudding. Return to rugged in the all new 2022 Nissan Pathfinder. Learn more at nissanusa.com. All right, Sal, you just spent an entire weekend with your family. You're up first. All right. Well, I have the three kids. I don't think I talk about the middle one a lot other than his name is Jack Romo. I named him after Tony Romo and he decided to turn his back on me and the cowboys and he roots for the steelers and screaming and david busters today for the steelers and it's just he's just like a mixer and uh but he's a quiet mixer like he doesn't like bill he's a quirky kid and uh you know he just he'll go like

the whole day without talking to anyone and then jump out of his room and tell me everything you know about Tone Loke. And then I have to sit there and talk about Tone Loke for about 18 seconds, which is about everything I know about Tone Loke. So he's quirky. He's quiet. My cousin, Jimmy's daughter, loves him very special. He loves animals. And she makes him the ring bearer for the wedding. And he's freaking out. He's freaking out

and I was like, listen, don't worry about it. They're going to give you the rings 40 seconds before you have to walk up. And then you're going to walk up and you're going to hand them to someone and that's going to be that. But the night before, he's getting chest pains and everything. Maybe we should call him off.

Maybe we should tell Jimmy's daughter we shouldn pains and everything. And like, what are we going to do? Maybe we should call him off. Like, maybe we should tell Jimmy's daughter, like, we can't, we shouldn't do this. Just make someone else do it. But then we get there and Don Barris, who's the audience warmup guy, is officiating. He's getting them married and he's got a wreath, like a flower wreath on his head. And it's like, oh, this is like, this is a silly thing. But he's still like, I can see him huffing and puffing. And he finally gets called up after an emotional vows by both the bride and groom. And now it gets serious again. He gets called up and he gets a standing ovation.

And he starts doing like a dance. It's like pumping his fist. It's like Kevin Green after three sacks in a row. And he gives the bride and the groom the ring. And he turns off and flexes and walks back. And everyone gives the bride and the groom the ring and he like turns off and like flexes and walk back and like everyone's still applauding for him. And he grabs my wife and he gives her the biggest hug I've ever seen. And she's like looking at him like what, as if he's like going off to war. So I don't know what the hell happened, what got into Jack Romo. It certainly didn't turn him into

a Cowboys fan, but a good job by him by for not... I don't know what was going to happen to those rings in the eight seconds he had them, had possession of them. So he better turn the corner. This was like... I'm trying to think what quarterback turned the corner this week. I think so. There's a maturity now. Now he can lead a two-minute drive.

Josh Allen from year three to four. Josh Allen, yeah. There you go. It all comes down to those rings. My son, yeah. There you go. It all comes down to those rings. Yeah. Um, my son, Ben, who's now five foot nine. And we've talked about that.

You talked about this before about whether you could beat Archie if it actually came down to a fight. Right. Yeah. And there's been a couple of times when he's kind of tried to do the hockey fight thing where it's like, drop the gloves. Let's have a fight in the kitchen. But then he's this big tried to do the hockey fight thing where like drop the gloves, let's have a fight in the kitchen. But then he's these big paws that'll throw these punches and

then I'll get mad, but we don't actually fight. Today, Kyle came over for football and Ben does the same thing he does with me with Kyle. But Kyle's like, you know, he's lounging on the couch. He's drinking a coffee. He's got Jesse dog next to him. And Ben comes in, tries to roughhouse. I think Kyle's going to kick his ass like in the next three weeks. He tries to mess with Kyle and Kyle just like, but, and all of a sudden, then Ben just comes and sits down next to me. And I'm like, Ben, Kyle's been in actual fights.

I don't know if you listened to Life Advice with Priscilla, but there's actual Kyle stories. Like, this is not like, stop roughhousing with Kyle. So Kyle's now turning into like that Doberman pincher, that eight-year-old Doberman that is like, no, no, don't let the kids play with the Doberman. Kyle, is that fair? You're like the eight-year-old Doberman?

See, I just, I struggle because I want him to be hurt, but I don't like want the parents to be concerned. You know what I mean? Because I feel like I can hurt him more than you would, but I don't want to go too far. I'm in your house. It's really hard. I'm trying to maintain. I was just going to ask you, Kyle, what do you

think you could get away with? Because, right, you don't want to piss off the parents, but you want to teach him a lesson. You don't want him jumping on your back when you're not paying attention. Or like the flying knee to the balls. Like Ben can do some real damage paying attention. Or like the flying knee to the balls. Like Ben, Ben can do some real damage. Or he throws like the punch when you're not looking and all of a sudden you have a dead

arm for 10 minutes. So I think what you have to do, Kyle, is you have to stretch him basically, right? Because you don't want to, you're not going to punch the kid. You're not going to kick him. You don't want to leave marks. But you got to stretch him a little, right? Grab his arm, put your knee in his back and like the wrestlers, like the

old-time wrestlers in the basement would do, like Vern Gagne and those guys. Yeah, Kyle, you just got to get on top of him and just kind of squish him without actually genuinely hurting him. The thing is, Ben's smart. He'll back off.

He has good people sense with that. So, Kyle, I think you have my permission to basically protect yourself. I want you to be protected when you come over. We're worried about you, Kyle. I've been straddling the line. I gave him a good leg punch today and I pulled back. I'll stretch him next time.

Side of the arm is fair game and maybe thigh side. Yeah, I was hitting the thigh. That's what I was looking for. You don't want to bruise the kid though, but you could put him in double arm bars and he could be in pain for 10-12 seconds. Kyle, what height does

Ben get to where you start to get worried that it might be even? Like Jason Goff, I'm full go. I don't care how tall he is. Bring it on. There you go. Well, Ben, and he's taking headshots on

Instagram, right? There's black and white pictures of him. He looks different every three weeks, I feel. I know. That was my wife. She just snapped this picture of him. I don't know what's going on with him. He's really blossomed. His flag football season

starts this week, so I'm sure we'll have some stories. He's playing tight end, free safety, and kick return. I want to go to one of those games. Are they Saturdays or Sundays? No, it's during the week. Oh, during the week. Yeah, it's like afternoon. But this is it. This is the last year. The next year, the pads go on.

What's Archie's record in the high school? They're 2-2. They had a big win. They play a ranked team in Southern California. I think T.O.'s son is a running back this week. Oh, my God. I think they're going to get slaughtered. But, yeah, it'll be fun to watch.

All right. All right. And we'll keep, we'll keep the listeners posted on Kyle versus Ben. I think Ben is like plus seven 50 right now. And the, if it ever really goes, is he okay against Kyle?

I don't know. Cause Kyle's always on his back. Like he might be able to really sneak them. I, I, Kyle, he's not going to knock out though. Right. What's good. The right kind of flying elbow might be able to really sneak him. Kyle's not going to knock Kyle out though, right?

The right kind of flying elbow might be able to get him. He'd really have to, it would have to be like a Piper Snuka hit him over the head with a coconut kind of moment. Kyle, just be wary. Don't feel like you have this one. Don't buy him coconuts.

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Oh, did you win? Oh, yeah. Did I win? Did I win? I won with a lot to spare. Excellent. All right, so as always, good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy. All right, that's it for the podcast. It was produced by Kyle Creighton. New rewatchable is coming on Monday night. Sean Fantasy and I did Dirty Work, the Norm MacDonald comedy.

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