The Bill Simmons Podcast - Last Call for Giannis Trades, Plus an NFL Round 3 Deep Dive With Chris Ryan, Joe House, and Peter Schrager

Episode Date: January 23, 2026

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Chris Ryan, taking a break from preparing for our rewatchables that were recorded tomorrow about Zodiac, which, what's the over under and time length? What would Fando put in, like two hours, 40 minutes? It's always interesting to just see the length of the pod compared to the running time of the movie. And I think we're going... 157 minutes for the movie. I'm going over. You're going over the 157. Yes.

I think great shot Gordo might take a full 45 minutes. Yeah. We have fantasy too. So he's going to... I don't know. He's going to go full. I don't know. What's his outfit going to be?

They can wear a beret? He's got his... A bow tie? Yeah. We're talking basketball. We're talking Janus. And it feels like we hit rock bottom last night with the bucks. And I, uh,

I've done Janice trade segments before, but now we have more information with the season. I would normally throw this at house, but CR, this is in your will house. You love hyperbole. You love things that might not happen. Your team might be involved in one of my fake trades. But what would your two weeks left for the deadline?

Is there any chance Janus is on the bucks in two weeks? I always think that the January, that the mid-season trade deadline is a little bit overrated as like a fireworks display, but this seems untenable. This really does seem like I don't really know. They have tried so many different band-aids

and fixes for this, and they're out of moves, and he seems to be out of patience. What do you think, House? I mean, they play OKC yesterday, which is the worst-case scenario and nightmare situation for a team like the Bucks,

but the quotes after the game, and I said this in Tuesday's pod, just like, just ask for a trade. Bucks fans will get over it. They'll under deep down they're going to understand you win the title for them in 21. Like it's time. Just do it. What do you think, house?

So that was going to be my first question back to you. I was going to answer your question with the question. What do you think Bucks fans want? They want to keep Janus. They want to get through this season and not trade Janus. I think they love Janus. They want him to retire with the team and I totally get it. But for him.

So that means, but for him he won the title there though. He did. That's the part, like, Nuitzky never won the title on Dallas until 2011. And there's some other guys who never won, like Carl Malone never won in Utah. Yeah. In this case, he delivered them the title. So if he asks, he's like, all right, it's time for me now to go. I don't think they can get mad at them, right?

Oh, no. I'm just wondering if I was a fan of the bucks, what would I want? Now, it's very, very difficult for me to put myself in the shoes of a franchise that's won a title in the last. last 45, 50 years. That has a top 100 player. It's a top. We have two top 100 players now. God damn it.

Trey Young is top 100 and Alexar is a top 100 player. I thought the House was talking about the capitals. By that. The capitals. I realize you had two top 100 players house. Two top 100 players. Wow.

Only three away. I can only as a reference point consider the purgatory. of winning 39 to 46 games every goddamn season and not being relevant come playoff time. Relevant is fine, but it takes these extraordinary superhuman efforts by Janus. We literally watched this in the first round of the just completed a year ago,

playoffs where I actually thought the bucks matched up quite well with the Pacers, and the Pacers ran them the fuck off the floor, ran them out of the gym. It was not close. In any way, shape, or form, even with the most extraordinary efforts by Janus. So if I'm a fan of the bucks, I understand the sentimentality and, you know, the loyalty of wanting that Janus thing, but I think it's time to move on. Yeah, it's tough because they weren't even that close last year, and they feel less close

this year. And also, CR, I think the league has changed. Like, we have to vote for this ringer 100. We got that email today. the 100 best players. And that list is just so much deeper and better than it would have been 20 years ago. You could have gotten away with this weird

Janus Bucks team in 2006, right? They probably would have made the second round had a puncher's chance to beat anybody in the East, even with the depleted supporting cast. Now, it just feels like everybody's too deep. I don't see it. Media ecosystem's totally different now too. Why, we're doing like five pods a week

about trade deadline in mid-January. So it's like the pressure that's on these teams and on these players. I mean, just look what's happening in the Knicks. You know, they got a get right game against Brooklyn. But like we did so much Nixon crisis, cat trade, Mike Brown on the hot seat stuff. That's like a finals favorite. Like they're like a pretty good team.

They're still third in the Eastern Conference. So the amount of pressure and the amount of scrutiny that these guys are under now. And also the kind of weird state of the NBA where we've got a bunch of quote-unquote faces of the league that are kind of mired on mediocre teams while these juggernaut teams are kind of like going about their business. It's really a fascinating inflection point for the league. And it's taking a lot of time,

energy, and attention away from the Joe and Bede Renaissance right now. I know that you're being sarcastic, but they're playing the Rockets toe to toe right now and I just heard the Rockets broadcast say, even though he can't move like he used to, you have to pay attention to Joel Embed. I think that's an accurate scouting report.

He's so good. Even though he can't move at all. He still can get his points. All right. Well, I sent you a list of Yannis trades, and I intentionally left a couple off. Wait, did you answer what you wanted? Do you want him to be?

Do you think it's best for everybody if he moves on? Or do you think that there's like a path back? I think when somebody is as good as him, to put him on a team like this for the rest of his prime, to be is unacceptable. And I think they've exhausted every single possibility to try to fix that, including the really, really aggressive dame Miles Turner thing,

which I did not agree with. But they've had a combination of bad luck. And, you know, they traded a lot for Drew Holiday. But this is the thing that seems to happen over and over again with the league now, where these teams make these trades where they give up all these future assets. And then three years passed and everybody gets amnesia. It's like, we don't have anything to trade. What are we?

It's like, yeah, because you traded all that stuff for Drew Holiday. That's why you can't trade your picks now. and that won you the title. So it worked out. But yeah, the Lakers was worth it. I wonder if going back in retrospect, it's like they would have just been comfortable

running that title team back more or less into the ground. You know, like, would you, obviously hindsight's 2020 with Dame, but. Well, I don't think they would, I don't think they would have done the Middleton trade again

if they had to redo that one. But it's, it's a hard, I said this to Mahoney on Tuesday House that these trades now where you get 120, 20 to 130 cents on the dollar for your guy because somebody else feels like they have the short window and they have the assets and they want to do it. The history of those trades is really good

for the team getting all the assets, you know? Like even if you look, I think the Davis, New Orleans trade probably worked out as bad as it could have gone for New Orleans just because of the actual picks they got in the spots in the draft and they never really got lucky with one of the lottery picks and, you know, but that's how it goes. But they had. a lot of bullets in the holster, which I think is what you want with those trades. I'm sure, I'm sure Memphis loves the Bain trade, even though I think Bain's become an important guy in Orlando. I'm sure the nets are happy with the Bridges trade, you know? So I wonder, like, is there a version of that that you could get 120 cents for somebody like Yannis? I think there is.

Right? I agree. And, you know, the thing that the fan base has to be reminded of is, is patience. Like even the Pelicans, it's a failure because Zion turned out to not not be capable of playing complete seasons. Like they made many good moves. They made, they drafted good guys in the draft. And Murray blew out as Achilles and Zion was a letdown. But some of the other moves were great. Yeah. It's tough because here's the big variable that we have to mention before we talk about these Giannis traits.

And people have heard these on the other 450 NBA podcast that have done. this, but we just have to mention them at the top. Look at a disclaimer. They get the worst version of their pick or New Orleans pick. The best version of that used to be with New Orleans, but New Orleans traded it to Atlanta for House's guy, Derek Queen, DMV, DMV, AAU, All-Star. So Milwaukee is still getting one of those two picks, and the worst they get, it's not as bad as you would have thought normally because the New Orleans pick. New Orleans is also not doing well. New Orleans, by the way, might be the best 10 and 36 team in the history of the league. Every single one of their games, it's a two-point game with five minutes left.

So it actually is in Milwaukee's interest to become worse this year if they make a trade. And I think that makes this really hard because there's some trades that will go through where they're getting good guys back, but you're treading water and that's not necessarily where you want to be. All right. Before you get started, can I ask a question? Yeah. Do you not think that they are now officially competing with Golden State for the pool of assets that are out there? Well, the Golden State thing's different, right?

Because I just think it's over. So it's just over. I think it's also over for Milwaukee, but they have a better asset to trade. Golden State's never trading Curry. Did you see, C.R., do you see the Golden State box score the first game without Butler? I saw Cummingo did quite well, right? Yeah, but you look at it, it's like Curry and 14 other guys. Yeah, I made so much money on Toronto in that game.

Thank God. It's just they have a bunch of ninth man in Curry. And Draymond's not the same guy. It's like, Curry's too old to do a like, oh, I have a phantom back injury. You know what I mean? He's moving into the Kobe from 2012 to 16 thing where it's like, we can't trade you, you're an icon. Our fans love you.

But our team's also not going to be good. So maybe this is just, this is now we're making Equalizer 4 and Equalizer 5 with you. We'll give you a budget. It'll be solid. It's a bunch of Italian guys. Yeah. There'll be nobody else you can recognize it in cast. And CR now will get it both.

There's literally a blueprint from this. It's the Sixers did it last year to great effect to great outcomes. I mean, the only reason we're talking about this Sixers team in any way, shape, or form being relevant is because Vijay Edgecom is fucking. awesome. And he came in and immediately injected life into the team, the franchise, everybody who plays on the floor likes playing with him. I continue to resent that he doesn't get more shine in terms of the rookie of the year conversation. Like we have him firmly in third place. All right. Stop sucking up sixies. Are in nowhere's bill without him. Huh?

Stop sucking up CR. So you have him over Knoppel and a flag? I have him over flag. And I think he's at least equal to C Cinepple. Now, the shooting by Cinniple is amazing. Caniple that, the hornets kind of shit the bed last night. I was excited for that. Legs was doing the game. I was excited for a big thing from them. I obviously think VJ.H comes to for key to the year.

But I'm basically like a cult number now. Yeah, between him and Maxie. Yeah. This is great. I'm happy for your C.R. I'm holding on to my Philadelphia real estate. Let's just put it that way.

You're prepared for the maxi injury that's coming, right? Shut up. Come on. No. He's playing 41 minutes a game. He's talking about. He's young. He's playing too many minutes.

Let him live. Let him work. You got to tone that back, CR. It's insane. He should be like 36. He really needs to chill for a second. Though, yeah.

He doesn't do it. Over under on how many weeks he's going to miss. Well, the other weird thing is that McCain is now, if we're doing six years, Jeremy, if we're doing six years, just like, I don't understand the rotational stuff or what happened with Jeremy Kane, who still, like, I think is an interesting. I would have already traded for him if I was one of the other teams.

All right. I derailed us. I'm sorry. From least realistic to most realistic, but all trades that I'm sure the teams, the other team probably at least had a meeting. Least realistic. Detroit. So I sent most of these to you.

Harris, Tobias Harris expiring, Jade and Ivory, Isaiah Stewart. who's been awesome for them. And that's a tough piece to give up. And also there's like crazy defensive rim protection numbers with him this year, which the eye test backs up. Like he had an incredible block of Kada in the Celtics Pistons game there.

Kada was just going in for a two-end dunk. And he just went up and like fucking swatted him. So Harris, Ivy Stewart and as many picks and swaps as it takes in Detroit's like, we're going to make a real run at this. We're already in first place. I would not do this if I was them. But we, it's a discussion. if I was the piss.

So can I make the case for it? Yeah. You're in the midst of an Eastern conference where the Knicks are in a swoon. The calves look like they don't, that this nucleus is not going to be able to put it together and reach the heights that they were at. Yeah.

You're getting off years and off, off eras from Miami and Philly and a couple other teams. Like, this is your year. Well, on top of it, if you get Janus, you now have two of the best 10 players in the week. You could even, you might want to shrink that number a little bit. Right. Yeah.

And, oh, how's your thoughts? Oh, no, I thought CR was still going to. No, I'm just saying this is it. This is the moment. You're never going to get a guy like Janus to be like, I'm signing with Detroit. So this is, this is the shot you have. Totally agree with all of that. And on top of it, it's a lot of pressure on Cade.

And I don't mean like, you know, the. psychological, whatever. No, it's the game to game. Fourth quarter stuff. Game to game. It's the same as Maxi. Like, I want both those guys to take a little, uh, All-Star trip to Boca,

trip to Cabo, whatever they need. Get those guys away from basketball for a little while. They're going to go to the all-star. Both Maxie and Kade are both starting. And I know for sure Maxie's starting, right? Brunson starting. Oh, okay. Well, whatever.

Fine. I think all three of them might be started. I thought Maxie and Kate were starting. And Jaylen Brown and Brunson. Isn't that what is? What those guys really need are breaks from basketball so they can get ready for the playoff run. And that's why Janus to Detroit makes an enormous amount of sense.

It immediately changes the impact. It turns, it takes this version of Cade, which is like a 9.875 out of 10, into, you know, north of 10 potentially. And Janus will absolutely love it. I just, there's nothing in this that's interesting to me if I'm Milwaukee. Not one piece of this interests me. If you're Detroit and you end up with Janus, with Cade, with Duren, with Thompson, with a couple shooters, you're feeling great. Would anyone ever score again on that team?

Well, and then a rejuvenated Janus, too, on top of it. I think House made the key point. There's too much on Cade in these games. I think it's, I'm not that scared of them in a playoff series like you normally would be with a one seed because I think there's a sameness to how they play that I think is. going to be trouble for them if you're seeing it for seven straight games, you know, over the course of two weeks. It's like, oh, you're going to do the thing where just Kate has to come up with something again? Like at some point you need more than that. I don't think they have enough. You know what they need? Malik Beasley, who was on their team, who they were about to resign.

Goodness gracious. Speaking of the Knicks, this would be the trade. I don't think either team should do. Well, the Knicks would do this, but Townsend Ananobe to Milwaukee, Janus with Portis and Kuzma, who would be the Janus trade tax who's got a deal for this year, next year. And that actually works under the cap. And that would be the lateral move trade for the bucks. I have no idea why they would do that.

I would just keep Janus at that point. I would reject that. I think you guys agree. Yes. I mean, it would have been an interesting hypothetical world to live in if they had lost to Brooklyn yesterday. It was like full panic. It would be more interesting if they had like three first round picks.

they could throw into a framework, right? Like all the Bridges picks, basically. Right. Before we keep going, I want to mention something. It's a point I made a month ago, and it was near the end of the podcast. I thought I was a really important point, and I'm going to basically karaoke it. Do we think Lessa Yanis as an all-time guy when he seems really available right now and everybody's like, eh? Like Philly would be like, no, we're not.

Maxis is off the table. No, thanks. I just wonder, like, I made the point that in, you know, the mid-2000s, if Duncan, like when KG became available, every team in the league was trying to figure out how to get KG. When if Duncan was never available, if Duncan had been available, every team in the league would have been like, what do you want? Maxie, done. We'll let's call it in right now. Something about Janus and how particular his offensive game is and I don't know, and maybe his age, but it's, I don't know if his trade value is, is this. as high as maybe I think it is in my head.

So what do you think of that house? Not only do I vehemently disagree. Great. I vehemently disagree. I think it's impossible in the collective bargaining agreement world that we live in now with aprons and every other sort of all of these nonsensical efforts at a hard cap in basketball to measure era against era. This is a one of one.

And we still haven't really yet gotten to the full effect of the ramifications, the barriers to the old school way of doing trades and stuff. And only thing that teams are looking at, this is my sense, is what's our flexibility? Flexibility is the thing. Capspace. There's nothing more valuable in the NBA than cap space and flexibility. And so that now becomes that that's much more important than how much Yon is. this is going to help your basketball team this season or next season. I wonder if it's just also a referendum on,

it's been an unhappy situation for several years now. So it's, we've got equal amount of years of, not necessarily him being unhappy, but the buck's not firing on all cylinders or having a postseason, you know, combustion because, you know, he gets injured or something like that.

So I wonder whether or not people are like, I'm going to keep my powder dry or I like my team, you know, we're going to go through a couple of other teams. And I do think Zach and Kirk were talking on Zach's show the other day about there is just a popcorn butts in seats ratings and jerseys element to getting Janus and getting one of the most recognizable names in the sport that I think most owners in this league would probably be like, yeah, I want that. But I don't think it's any kind of like referendum on his ability

or his legacy or all-time standing. It's just hard for me to believe the three best teams in the league are like, yeah, we're good. And Janus is basically on Amazon right now in a lightning deal. Amazon comes along.

If you buy one battle on 4K, you get Janus. Well, do you see the Kurt Russell movie Breakdown was Lightning Deal or it was like 50% off? And I was like, that's how they get you.

I was like, oh, it's a pretty good price for Breakdown. I really like that movie. I get the tree. crash in 4K. All right, next one. We're starting to move a little more realistic, but I still don't like this either. It's Miami. And there's a lot of variations where you could go with this. And I actually brought in a third team, the one I sent to you, where Miami has to give up BAM in the trade, in my opinion. When we're doing this two months ago, it was Kalee Ware,

it was hero and picks. And I just don't think that's going to do it. And also Bams, maybe his trade value was dipped a little bit with how he's looked offensively this year. So anyway, the trade would be Miami gets Yannis and Portis. Atlanta gets Bam. Milwaukee gets the Rozier contract, which I'm just trading until Adam Silver tells me not to because still waiting on a ruling for him. The Porzingus expiring. Rees-ishay. Three Miami picks and they get their New Orleans or Milwaukee pick back. And they get all of that and they give up Yonis. And now we're in the neighborhood of there's a lot assets there that you'd have to think about. So as you look at that,

what makes the least sense out of those three, CR? For which team makes it? Does it make the least amount of sense? Which team is probably like, eh? I would probably say Atlanta,

I guess, doesn't, why would Atlanta get help people out here? But if you could get, if you could basically trade Risa Shea and that Orleans pick you have. You get BAM. I see.

And you get BAM. I got to say when you did this, I put together my like starting lineup for the heat and I was like, that's nerve-wracking. That would be like the newly constructed heat would be nerve-wracking. I don't know.

If you're throwing in all those picks, I think this is the best deal that you sent us, honestly. Wow. What do you think, has? CR beat me to it. I quite like this trade. And I don't know why you have it in a lesser realistic kind of place.

It feels very real. realistic to me. Probably because it was like Bam was like off off the table for a long time. And now it's like, okay, what are we talking about here? Like if you could do where and Janus in a front court. I mean, I guess the hard part is anytime there's a three team or that's why I make it less realistic.

I think the three teams hard. Atlanta would have to decide the Risherset pick and the chance to move into the top three with that New Orleans or Milwaukee pick. You're just cashing in with Bam right now. And I don't know if they would do that. I don't, not, maybe Rishish's just not in the trade. Maybe it's just that pick only

and they get BAM. But the Celtics fan side of me is looking at it going, fuck, if Miami could somehow just turn BAM and expirings and picks into Janus and Portis, who would be the most he guy

since Haslam. Like that would, I'd be a little nervous about that. Basically, like, they could not get a single injury to their starting five. No. But they would be terrifying

in a playoff series. Next one. All right, so we marked that one down. We liked that one the most. Next one is just a straight one with the Lakers. It's just Luca and Kleba's expiring for Janus. What did you just say? I didn't put that one on my list with you guys.

I wanted the reaction. It's just the Lakers saying, fuck it, and turning Luca and Janus, paying ribs, keeping LeBron. Bill, is Rich Paul in the room with you? No, I'm just, I want to talk it out. The part that makes no sense is Luca going to Milwaukee. But if you're Milwaukee, you do this now, and you have two weeks to trade Luca. It's a Luca auction.

Remember when all the teams were mad last year? Oh, man. Remember last year when they were like, Utah, they were like, we have 17 picks. We would have traded all of them for Luca if we knew is available. It's like, all right, Milwaukee is now acquired Luca. Here's the auction. Let's go. You guys got two weeks to make us your bet.

And then they basically just shop. So is the idea here that Janus would fix the Lakers defensive problem? and then it's Reeves and LeBron and that's the team. Yeah. Boy. It's not bad. It's a terrible trade.

It's not bad. No, it's not going to happen. It would be one of those, I do feel like out of all the things on this list. Were you moving towards realistic? Why did you drop that one into here now? You thought I should have started with that one?

Yeah, maybe. It's by far the least realistic. Is it? If you're the trading Luca again. Yeah. Why? For what?

Under what circumstances? Got Reeves? I don't know. I was throwing it in there. I'm starting shit. Haven't you done enough? Yeah. We'll take a break and then we'll keep going.

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Always loved Gary Harris. For Paul George, the 2029 Clips Phillies swap pick that Milwaukee has in Vijay Hedgecombe. No. No. Flat out no. For the Sixers. It's a no. I want to move on.

I want to live in the world where VJ and Maxi are the backcourt. And I don't want to watch and Bede and Janice occupy the same areas of the four. So CIR is telling us that VJ Edgecombe has a higher trade value. No, I'm just saying that there's like... I'm trying to get this straight. There's a five to 10 year future of this team that doesn't exist the way you just set it up. And I want to cheer for like a fun young back court. It's been a while since like I got to do that.

So if you're just asking me as a fan, I'm cool, I'm cool standing pat. You know what I mean? Like this is a fun team to watch on a night to night basis. A little bit maddening generational divide sometimes on the court. But I don't, I don't think so. This goes right to the heart of what I was trying to articulate, maybe not so artfully a short bit ago in terms of how do you properly assess

Yanis's trade value. It doesn't make any sense for him to go to Philly. Would Janice and Embed, would you say they were the favorites in the Eastern Conference? You know what's,

I wouldn't. The reason to do this as a long time Darrell's been in my life for 20 years now, Darrell has always been one of those. If I have three of the best guys and I can win the title,

I'm going to move the math my way. And this trade would end up giving them Janus and Maxi and the same team with the, Embed wildcard. And you could say,

wow, if we can get Embed somewhat healthy in April, May June, and I also have Janice and Maxi who are two

all-star starters in a pre-de-conference, I can make the finals. That would be the conversation you would have.

I don't think they would do it either. How old is Janus? Yeah. Yes. I've sucked CR in. Janus is 31.

He was in the 2013 draft. You know how you're like you take the phone call, you go have the coffee? it's like let's get the coffee let's walk around the block a couple of times

but I don't see this is like Zodiac where I'm Jake Gyllenhawn you're Ruffalo and I'm like Arthur Leigh Allen live 50 yards away I don't know it's not him handwriting sample said no

I know I think you're right I think they probably would not do this because they'd be afraid of how mad the fan base would be because the fan base has already decided this is great Maxie and BJ sign us up. We're good. House is laughing.

He loves this. Well, I do think it makes sense. It's bananas for the Sixers to just sit tight. They should move off of Paul George by any means necessary. Yeah, but that's, he's two years left after this one. So you could say you're getting off Paul George. You're using the Edgecombe thing to do that. God, you have no idea how fun it is to watch him play.

Like, it's, he's such a fun player. No. So if I do try to. trade value again. Forget about all the reasons for it. I do think Vijay Edgecoe might have a higher trade value than Yonis. As crazy as that sounds, on a rookie deal,

40 games into the season, and it's like, we can't trade him. He might be fucking Dwayne Wade. Like, for real. This might be mid-2000s Dwayne Wade again. We're not trading him. I love him, man. I don't know how contagious that is for everybody else in the national

scheme of things watching him, but it would be really tough to watch him go away. And also, like, so what's Janice's current deal? How many years is he? He's got like two years left, so you'd have to worry about that. But do you wind up going right back into will Yannis stay or will he go? Yeah. And is Yonnas happy?

And does Yonnas like Nick Nurse? And does Yonnas like playing with Joel Embed? And does Yon is like the apartment that he got in Philly, like, or whatever? You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I just, I'm just really, really enjoying the page turning that's happening for the Sixers. CR was like Andrew McCarthy in San Amos Fire. He's like, I love her, man. I just love Maxie, man.

Roll it his eyes. All right, we're moving on the next one. I did not come up with this idea. It did come from a mailbag emailer name Will. Jason Tate him for Yannis straight up. I'm glad that you're doing some self-reflection here. He wrote, I don't want to do this, but this Celtics team is the honest team that he's always needed,

and J.B. is the exact teammate that Yannis needs. this team and what they have going this season, this team, Yonis needs. I don't want to do it. Tatum's going to be awesome. But would you have to have a meeting about it? I wouldn't do it. Would you have the meeting?

I would, I just, I think karma wise, no. I love Tatum. I think he has a chance to have a curry type of career. It is amazing how logical basketball trade it is, because for Milwaukee, it's an official tank, right? They'll tell Tatum come back in October. And then Boston just turns Tatum and he on. honest, basically. So basketball is makes sense, but I don't think Boston would ever do that.

Would Danny Ainge do it? Danny Ainge would have done it already. He already, Tatum would have done it while Jason Tatum was on the ground. He would have done it as Tatum was working out on Monday. It would have been done. I don't think anyone else that is affiliated with this team would do it though. But it is a really interesting basketball trade. All right. The only, so there's three teams plus this next one. And this is the last semi- unrealistic one, even though you guys like Miami trade.

But there's a Golden State scenario where it could be Janice and Kuzma. Kuzman is the honest tax. Milwaukee gets Butler's contract, which she's not playing this year and maybe comes back, trade deadline next year. You can either trade them, whatever.

Kaminga, Pizemski, and then just all of the picks and swaps you can possibly get from Golden State. And you just go over broke. Yeah, I'll take all of them. Give me the next. seven years of stuff you have. And in whatever order you want to do, I'll take everything you have. And you're basically betting on shorting the Warriors. And if you're the Warriors, you're like,

we have this generational Curry thing going on that where he still might have three, four years left. We're adding Janus. We can build around this. Who cares about the picks? It's mildly interesting. It becomes more interesting now that Butler's hurt because it helps walk this year. But what you think of this house? I need to know more about what the are. Do they have their own first round picks for the foreseeable future in Golden State? Yeah, they have a, I have it here. I have a whole document. They have their, basically all their own first round picks. And then they have this weird 2030 situation with Washington where. Not weird. Washington got that for Jordan Poole. Yeah, but it's like they still,

they still keep it under a lot of different scenarios, right? All right. So. that's sad. I don't think this trade will happen. I think Golden State would be nuts to mortgage their entire future for Curry Janus and nothing else. Well, I mean, it's almost like it's too late.

You know, like they could have mortgaged their future a year or two ago. Well, they did. Kind of. Yeah. That was the Jimmy Butler acquisition. Yeah. All right.

We'll move on. Just towards ACL. Three teams left. Here's the big, here's the big three. We got to talk about the rockets. I did every machination. The one I sent you guys

was just Janus, Ben Bleets in it Schengoon the 27 Phoenix first and an unprotected 2031 Houston first maybe one more pick needs to be in I don't know but you're basically turning

Janus into Schengun $20 million less year and a couple picks and it seems like a pretty fair trade I think that if I was Milwaukee this would probably be the most excited I would be you're getting a young center

who's on a really good contract who might even be I mean, at least like analytically or statistically would probably even pop more in a world where there wasn't so much sharing going on. Right. Even though he's a great passer, but yeah, I think this would get me the most piped up. House, would you rather pursue him or Amman Thompson if you had a choice? Ooh, that's a great place. Which player do you like more as a building block for the next 10 years?

I might be higher than is rational on Sengoon. I think Amin Thompson is going to be incredible. He already is incredible. But I feel like there's just the direction the league is in right now. Having somebody around the rim who's as effective as he is, that's an asset. That's an outsized asset in this day and age of my life. I have no doubt that Amman's going to become like what we all think he's going to become.

but it's just like, I feel like you can build around Singoon and you can run a system based on him and Amin seems more complimentary. Both of those Thompson kids, like the South that came on Monday night, they weren't even guarding the Detroit Thompson at the end of the game.

Awesome. Yeah, they were just like, do whatever you want, man. So he was kind of roaming around like a free safety on offense. But I got to say, I wouldn't do this about Houston. It's weird because the Durant timeline

kind of confuses them. It feels like then they should have urgency because the ages have. But that wouldn't make me want to, I still feel like Schengun and Thompson. I care about that with Jabari and with Reed. And I feel like that's my team and that's my team for the next seven years.

And KD can help us with the ceiling of it. But I'm not making trades because I have KD, I think is where I've landed. And I wouldn't do it. I would keep Schengun, especially 20 million less. So it sounds like we all agree. This next one's more interesting.

So I sent you Janice, the Kuzma tax, and a small contract coffee for Vassell, O'Lenix expiring, Barnes is expiring, and Dylan Harper. Under the old adage, if you're going to get something, you got to give up something. So it's like, you want Janus? Give us Dylan Harper. Like, pony up. I don't think the Spurs would do this. I don't either.

It's a realistic basketball trade, though. It's a really good trade. But it's a realistic basketball trade. It's exactly the kind of trade if the bucks are going to trade Janus. And they're like, what did you get back? We got a guy who can be an all-MBA guard in four years. Have you seen him? I mean, if anything, he's falling off a little for San Antonio because they're too good.

Like they, yeah, he actually is a little bit, a little up and down. But House, your thoughts? Yeah. So I'm looking at it and I'm like, well, where are the picks? Because if I'm Milwaukee, I want some picks. But the answer is, well, The pick is, we have a pick. You have a pick.

It's Dylan Harper. They're sending you a franchise, potential franchise guy. And guess what? You don't have to go into a draft and take a swing. This guy can play. We've seen him. He can play in the NBA. He can be impactful.

He's probably ready to be more than what he is now even, like at the early age. If this is kind of similar to the Philadelphia conversation, but if you're San Antonio, aren't you thinking these guys are on Wemby's timeline? We like our team. We've worked really hard to get this. We got really lucky with Castle and Harper. We have Fox. We're very excited about this guard rotation.

Like, why disrupt it? That's where I would land if I was San Antonio. I would not do this trade. I wonder if people are listening and they're like, you're insane. If you have a chance to get Janus, you do anything you can. I guess the question is,

if I'm trading for Janus, I need to feel like I'm actually going to win the title. like when the Celtics traded for KG and that what they gave up ended up not being maybe as potent as it seemed in the deal but it was like we're getting this and we now are the favorites in the east with this trade

and have a chance. I don't know if Santonor did this if I would feel like they were the favorites in the West. I would still think it's okay C. How would they play together? That's part of the thing. When being Janus together I'm not even positive. I like it. I think they should trade for

for Trey Murphy and actually overpay for him. That would be, I talked about that on Tuesday. All right, so we're crossing them off. Well, this last thing, this is the deal that made the most sense to me by far. It made the most sense six weeks ago. It makes the most sense now. It's especially now that C.J. McCollum is an expiring contract. And you can put him and Porzinger's together to expiring 60 million. Risa Shea, that New Orleans or Milwaukee pick. They also have the worst version of the Bucks or New Orleans pick in 27. Give that back. Maybe even give them. another one and just give Atlanta

if I'm Atlanta, I have Janice, I have Jalen Johnson, Daniels, and I can patch together everything else, and I'm relevant in a way that I just, even though they've had good teams, they had a 60 win team once, it's different. This would be the biggest, the biggest star they've ever had on the Hawks

since Bob Pettit. And I love Dominique Wilkins, but it's just a fact. Yonis would be the biggest star they've had. Bob Pettit. Everybody. What it's worth, I wonder if that, if Yonis,

I mean, I don't know how much Giannis obviously hasn't officially requested a trade. I don't know how much influence he's going to have over a prospective destination. But I wonder if he wants to stay in the Eastern Conference, just to stay out of the bloodbath in the West. So you stay in the East. It's a soft East. This is why I was excited about this for Detroit even.

Yeah. It's like you just have an easier path to the finals this way, I think. House? Yeah, I agree with. that. The thing I wonder about to the point, you know, the observation around what would Janus

want, doesn't he want to go to a team that he feels like he can take over the hump? That's the problem with this trade. If I'm Janus, I'm like, well, the Hawks have three more wins than the team I'm on now. Right.

Yeah. That would be the issue. That's why that Miami trade is kind of, of fun because it's basically the same trade except you're just putting him in the BAM spot with Portis and now I have this bolster as my coach and I have a bunch of shooters

and maybe have more of a chance. Yeah, my body fat content is already heat level. You know, I don't have to worry about that. The thing I don't know yet because nobody knows is how loyal they would be to a honest trade request where he's like, I've decided I'd like to be traded and I'd like to go to Houston. You know, or wherever he says,

where he's just like, I want to go to that team. What is the responsibility of them to them make a deal with that team when you basically have the leverage? We saw this allegedly with Durant with Phoenix and Brooklyn when they basically just figured out that whole trade and didn't involve other teams. We've seen teams do this. But that's a pretty tough spot to be in if you're the bucks

where somebody's like, I don't get the- I trade me but one spot. Like, House, do you get the impression that once Yannis disappears, if Yonis leaves is off the buck, bucks. I don't feel like there's a lot of guys working at the bucks who are going to be there next year. Right? So like they're not incentivized to be like, oh yeah, and then we'll work on this five-year rebuild. You know, like, there goes my job with this. So I think that changes things a little bit. Well, you would have to have so much confidence around the picks that come back

with that. And the problem with Houston is we all think Houston's going to be good for at least the next three years, probably longer. I like Houston. Next three. Yeah. I think when they have, when they have,

well, now Adams is hurt, but when they had their two centers with everybody else, I'm like, this team, I would not want to see this team in a series ever.

As soon as one of those guys is missing, it feels different. But I thought the, the size that they have is really unlike anything anyone else has. All right.

Well, I don't even know where we landed. No crazy wildcard team. No. I looked. I tried. Well, to me, it was the Lakers, and you guys laughed me out of the room.

You choose me of trying to start shit. Why did you say Luca? I'm sorry. I'm giving a clutch. My butt cheeks together. I listed 10 teams. Yeah. He's only a top seven guy for a top seven guy.

That would be, by the way, if they traded Janus for Luca, I think that would be the biggest pound for pound NBA trade ever. I was trying to think, like, from an actual, like, the talent of the two guys and the stature. Because, like, remember when the kid Marbury trade was just a straight up? And we were like, wow, what a cool trade. Like a slightly younger, awesome point card for In his prime point card. These never happened.

Trade's like the one-for-one's never happened like that. Why again wouldn't Tatum for Yonis make sense? Tell me again. It would make sense. I just don't think Boston would trade Tatum. Why? I just don't. Because he's going to be loving him.

going to be back by Valentine's Day. Everyone in Boston loves to listen to Bill's Park. He's coming off of a torn Achilles. Why wouldn't Boston trade Jason Tatum? He delivered them a freaking title. He made them relevant, competitive for the entirety of the career. You know, they were on an accelerated timeline because of him. They made the Eastern Conference finals a bunch of years.

Gladly, gladly. I would have, you know, but I'm not in the business of, you know, trying to take money out of good hardworking people from Bethesda and Northern Virginia. Just come on down here and watch this team flame out in the first round of the playoffs every year. That's not my business. It's none of my business. Would you trade Jada Daniels? No.

I would not. Yeah. Tatum's pretty beloved. I don't see it. We'll see. I think out of the actual wild cards, I would say Philly is the wild card, not just because CR's here. Just because I think I think Daryl's like Danny. I don't think he gives a shit.

when you talk about the I don't give a shit GMs, Danny and Utah, he's not in this discussion because they're never getting him. I don't think Polinka cares. I think he'll do, he'll slice somebody's hamstrings

if he has to, if it's going to make team 10% better. I don't think Boston's wired like that right now. And then I, and maybe Riley used to be wired like that, I guess? Well, the Riley thing would be the last great work, right? That would be like,

I'll finally paint my master after like six years of being in hot and heavy rumors for any given available star and missing out on Dame and Durant and everybody. I mean, where does Janice's brothers want to go? I forgot to put them in the trades. Miami's got to be up there. Somehow I think they'll make their way to wherever he is. By the way, I was reading that Laker story that Baxter did.

And Baxter was on Zach's pod today for people listening this one about all the bus family drama. And I was thinking if it got really contentious, wouldn't the fuck you move have been to just trade brawny like if we're like we're really start we're really we're tired of this guy we're really an f-you mode with lebron like you just like trade him to sacramento for with a second round pick just like a dump just to like just to basically do this

it would have been an amazing trade i don't think it's that bad i don't i don't think it's great but i don't think it's acrimonious like that i don't think genius like that That felt like settling some old family business stuff more than it was about LeBron. Pretty fascinating. I got an email from somebody that asked me what family was more fucked up, the bus family or the Roy's. It's close. It's close.

It really does feel like the bus family matched that last season of the Roy kids just ready to fuck each other over for the throne no matter what it took. That element wasn't there. I had no idea how many brothers were employed by the Lakers in different jobs and were pulling. Then there was another one that was like the, I didn't even know about Sean Bus. That was the mother's kid. It wasn't even, I didn't even understand that one. Yeah, it's really something.

This worked out great for the Lakers. The Dodgers owner who spends a kajillion dollars and doesn't seem to care about money. I would say it was probably a win for them. We'll see how it goes. CR, who's your football picks this weekend? Seahawks and Patriots. All right. Well, we're going to send you packing.

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visit medcan.com slash moments to get started. All right, Peter Schrager is here. You can see them on ESPN. Sometimes I'm shows with three or four people. Sometimes on shows with six, like I saw today. It was a six-person studio show. I always admire ESPN's, ESPN's pursuance.

Persistence? What's the right word? Pursuance? Is pursuance a word? I don't even know. Have it insistence? Yeah. Before you popped on, you asked us,

what was the first conference championship game you remember watching? House has no long-term memory, so it's tougher question for him. You and I, Bill, and I have that brain where, like, I remember exactly where I was, when I was watching it, who I was with, and I just posed it because I, you guys are sports junkies. I want to hear your answers. Well, I thought I had that brain until I forgot the Seahawks won the Super Bowl on Sunday's podcast. That's on South.

Come on. This week. Terrible. Amazing. Outrageous. I genuinely think the first one I remember watching was the Drew Pearson game. Was that conference championship? The Hail Mary?

Yeah. Wasn't that a conference championship game? Yeah. Is it 77? No, that was like 75. I remember watching that game, though. Okay. And then I, probably somewhere in the 75, 76 range.

Because you used to have a column and I used to love it. And this was probably when you, it was probably 15. 20 years ago, where one time you just wrote out every Super Bowl, the winner, the loser, and the MVP. But what I remember did the game? Yeah, yeah. This guy shares my brain. Mine is 1990, Candlestick Park, Leonard Marshall, sacking Joe Montana,

Gary Reasons on the fake punt, and then Lawrence Taylor recovering the Roger Craig, and then Matt Park hits the field goal. I know exactly where I was in my living room as a kid with my father and my brother. And I was eight years old. But that's the earliest conference championship game memory I have. House, what about you?

Oh, so I don't, that was before the conference championship, my pick. That was the round before. Was it just a playoff game? Yeah, I don't remember the 75 ones. I do remember Vikings Rams in 76. 79? That was 76.

Because I love Sammy White as a kid. He was the only non-patriot I liked. Remember Sammy Whitehouse? Of course. I love Sammy White. So I remember watching that game. So what was yours house? The 1982, 83, Washington Redskins, because that was like, you know, at an age where,

oh, I shouldn't say this out loud. I could be a lusty fan. I was going to make, I had something. I was going to talk about it, like the stage of my own development, my, you know, as the pre-present, all of that. I was, it was Washington against Dallas in the conference championship, 1982 for the chance to go to the to the Super Bowl. And I was with, you know,

my, my cohort and we were all going crazy for it. You're watching just Mark Mosley bang field goals and you're banging it. Okay, okay, okay, okay. This is something I've been... We beat Dallas's ass. That's the key. This is something I've been thinking about it a lot the last couple weeks because I started following that

Kevin Gallagher guy who just posted a clip from football. But I had never been following him until December. And he was posting these games. And I was realizing that first of all, I've been watching football now since, you know, 74, 75 range, right? And all these huge games, and I cared about all of them, and I watched them, and I thought about them. And then when I was writing a column, I was writing extensively about them, podcasting about them. But there's almost been too many.

So I started this document two weeks ago, and I was just writing down all the games. Just with the scores to like refresh my memory. And I wrote down all the conference championship games. what I realized, you think about it, there's two games a year, and House and I, we go back to 1974-75 range, that's over 50 conference title games in each conference. So now that's just a hundred games out of those, hundred plus. In your brain. Plus like 52 to 54 Super Bowls. So these are 160 of the most important games that I watched that I kind of have to jog my memory to remember what happened.

It's not like basketball house. Basketball I can still remember all this stuff. The football is harder for me. Steelers, Colts and Harbaugh playing Pittsburgh in 95. Like I remember all of these games. And I think NBA I would be a little shakier. Yeah, I go backwards with NBA. With NFL, I'm always like moving forward.

Like today, somebody was talking about the, on Twitter was talking about Marino's last chance in 95, the Chargers game. Yeah. And Stoyanovich misses it. Stoanovic missed the 48-yarder. I was like, I think I bet on this game, and I think I covered, and I just went on YouTube and I watched the last five minutes of it. And it was fucking awesome.

It's an amazing game. The Chargers went down. They scored with like 30 seconds left. Then Marino got a pass interference. And I was like, this is great. I was like, it's almost like we have football amnesia. I didn't remember any of the details. I was like, I might just spend the off-season

are just watching one football game a day until the playoffs. You know what I'll do? And I think you'll appreciate this. There's like one that's called like Giants VHS tapes to Twitter feed. They'll show the intros to the games. So it's like, you know, some are all in Madden, 92, you know, it's Cowboys versus Cowboys versus Niners. You know, it's just like, you get chills.

Then you get the ads. The ads are great. I really, House, I really miss Dick Emberg. That was one of the things like watching a couple days. He was with Trubby a lot, right? Yeah, and he was with Merlin for a while. And I just thought he was like lights out. I really like Charlie Jones was great.

But yeah, so you think in one of the recurring themes when you see these old games is how important weather was, it's just this fucking crazy variable that football has where like the Chargers don't win one year because. they go to Cincinnati and it's like freezing rain in Cincinnati outdoors. It's the week after Kellynne-Winslow game, they go to Cincinnati and it's ice cold and it's the coldest game ever played. But yeah, the weather. And last week, I felt like, I thought the bears outplayed the Rams, but I don't know how much

of it was weather-related that made the Rams look that way. I don't know. What do you take from that game? But anyway, it's going to be my off-season project house. I love it. I'm diving through. I'm jogging my memory because I like was writing columns about these games. I barely remember half of them at this point.

Do you ever go back and watch or think about any of the Bills, AFC championship games in the early 90s? Wow. They would kick the shit out of these teams. Like I think they beat the Raiders like 53 to 3. Yeah. Just huge blowouts, four years in a row. And then obviously we know what happened in the Super Bowl.

But like conference championship week to me has like a real special place. And even this week, they were interviewing McVeigh and McDonald and pay in variable. And there's like an NFC, NFC championship logo in like the background of and like that, even that, I get like tingles. Like I, it's very, I don't know, it's very historic and very reminiscent and nostalgic to like these classic weekends as a kid. I love it all. Yeah, I think my favorite non-patriots one was,

maybe that wasn't the conference. What was the one where Emmett had the sprained had the separated shoulder and was just to get that. What was the one when? Yeah, it was against a giant's. But then in the playoffs, but he wasn't right. And then in the playoffs and just kind of threw the Cowboys on his back anyway. I just loved that whole Emmett run was really enjoyable. The Niners, when the Montana got knocked out, was an amazing game too. There was so many good ones.

We're going to talk about two games. Which one do you want to start with? Or do you want to do off-season stuff first? No, you choose whatever. Before we do the games, give us your number one coaching subplot this week with All the roulette that went around. Coaching subplot, that's interesting. So McDaniel picking the Chargers job, did he,

so he couldn't get a head coaching job? What happened? He could have been in the running in Cleveland, and he said, I'm going to pull my name. Jim Harbaugh said, we'd love to have you. Basically, he knew he wasn't getting the Baltimore job. So he told them he's in. His wife is from Southern California,

and he and Harbaugh hit it off. Now, can you imagine the conversations that the two of those guys are going to have? Two of the most enigmatic personalities in the league, Harbaugh and McDaniel. But they're going together. And then he withdrew his name from the Cleveland interview process, which so did Jesse Minter. But we knew that the reason Minter was withdrawing his name from Cleveland is because he was

getting the Baltimore head coaching job today. So I don't blame McDaniel for that because he just lived in a world where he didn't trust his quarterback. And now you go to Cleveland and you're in this same situation with worse weather. Why would I do that? you go to the Chargers, you resuscitate Herbert, maybe even

try to get him to win a playoff game before his career ends. And then you're the hot candidate a year from now if it goes well. I think it's smart. You like it, house? Buffalo is the one that's we could really dive into.

Well, let's do it. I saw you on TV doing your whole Davis Webb 30 years old. Can you hire your best friend as the coach? What do you think? I don't know. I don't know if I'd hire a house as my head NFL coach

if I was the quarterback. What happens if we disagree on something? So for the, so he, McDermott gets fired. We have the fiery press conference. Everyone, you know, is crying for Keon Coleman for a full day. And then the next day, it's like,

all right, they have to hire a coach. So today they interviewed Luanna Rumo and Dable. We're doing this on Thursday. They have Udinski, who's the 30-year-old kid from Jacksonville interviewing Sunday, Anthony Weaver is interviewing this weekend and there will be a couple others.

The wild card is Davis Webb who 30 years old was Josh Allen's backup for three years. Also, his best friend was, I believe, a groomsman in the wedding. And his final year with the bills as a backup quarterback was like running the quarterback room. Went to the Giants for a year with Dable. And then Sean Payton, the second he met him,

was like, you are going to be a coach. You're retiring today. you're going to be a coach. He's been on Peyton's hip for the last three years. All this happens. Josh Allen, I'm told, is going to have a voice in the head coaching process. And that led to this conversation, which I guess we could open it up. Like, do you let the quarterback have a say, first of all, then be, this is such like player empowerment era that we see in the NBA. But if he really was to push hard and be like, I want Davis Webb as the coach, are we okay with that, considering their relationship off the field as

Blood Brothers, whatever it is. What do you think, as? Fuck, no. I mean, what are you talking about? It is insane. The quarterback is going to say who the... What? No, no, no. But he might prefer that. The answer, well, I mean,

I'm not going to sort of, you know, take too much time on web. Web yet could be a good answer. It's not the answer to who should be... Right. That's really pushing it. And his best attribute is

he was under the tutelage of Peyton. That's a good attribute. What's the experience in terms of being leader of men? Like we just went through this. We have a lot of failures, more failures than not. Dable's the right answer. Bring Webb in as a

you know, whatever, the quarterbacks coach or whatever. Let him be there in waiting. As you guys were talking, I looked up the Emmett ears. It was the 92 one, but it was the year, I think it was the year before he heard his shoulder. But that, so 92. They beat the lion? No, it was Dallas winning in San Francisco in Candlestick, January 93. and Emmett was 24 for 114.

Seven catches for 59. It was just fucking awesome. I love them, Smith. So amazing. Who did they beat in the wild card that year? They be... Eagles? Yeah, Eagles.

And then they killed the Bills. But the Niners, that was like, it felt like such a big game. Oh, my God. Like those Niners, Cowboys, and then when the Redskins were in there for a couple years, like, giants were in there. It just was like those four teams altogether.

It was great. I want to get back to that. So if it's not, if it's not 30-year-old Davis-Web, who is it then? Could it be 30-year-old Udinski? You wouldn't want that either, Joe? Joe House?

No, Joe House would not want that. Too young. What happened? I'm 12 hours behind the cycle. Where's Flores? I know Flores signed an extension with Minnesota, but he has the possibility of,

if he gets a head coaching job at one or two places, he can leave. He interviewed in Buffalo. He interviewed in Pittsburgh. He hasn't interviewed in Buffalo yet. Okay. Well, both of those are good, perfectly fine answers.

Both of those would be great, great answers to me. You know who could give Pittsburgh some 14 to 12 type of games? Brian Flores. You interested in a 15 to 13 final? Yeah. Don't need a quarterback. I'll just have an awesome defense. That would be fun.

I'm excited that Buffalo overreacted, even though I think it was probably the right reaction. The press conference was a disaster. It was the complete opposite of that Ravens press conference. it got people feeling bad for Keon Coleman, who by all accounts was a schmuck this season and had to be benched even though they needed receivers. Like, oh, it felt bad for Kean Coleman.

Like, how about just showing up for work every day and being reliable? I don't feel bad for him. But it just feels like a mess. It's so funny. It felt like they had the AFC East on lock for 15 years. It's just flipped on them. Two things can be true, right?

Like, it's amazing. For the first eight years, that local fan base and that media was pretty harsh on. McDermott. When he gets fired, but Bean doesn't, suddenly McDermott is this like night and shining armor. Look, could they have fired both of them? Sure.

The other eye side of it is, should the GM, I'll be allowed to pick his coach one time? Usually in the NFL, the GM will get that opportunity. McDermott's defenses, playoff games, gave up 31 and a half points per game. That's tough when you're a defensive coach. Yeah, it's like, what is your number one thing you're bringing to the table? if you're a head coach, if it's like, yeah, it's not really offense. It's obviously not really defense either

because over and over again, we saw that team not get stops. And then it's like, well, is your game management awesome? And does your team good when it really matters? 13 seconds. Yeah, over and over again, that's been bad.

So I don't know. I felt like, I actually thought what the owner said was the right answer, which is like, we took this as far as we could go. We needed a new voice. I was like,

I actually agree with you. Yeah, and I think the NBA is a better comparison in the NFL, but like, Mark Jackson took the Warriors to a certain point. Steve Kerr got him over the top. Doug Collins got the Bulls to a certain point. Obviously, Phil Jackson

over top. Tibodeau got the Knicks to them. They hope Mike Brown. Like, we see this in the NBA a lot. These teams that fire coaches despite great playoff appearances, the NFL, we don't see it quite as much. Yeah, you kind of know when, especially now in this era where the coaches seem to have a shorter shelf life. I mean,

I'm going to whisper this, but you could argue maybe that should have been Andy Reid's last year or last year. Why hasn't that been a topic? Like who was more disheveled and weird and seemingly rudderless than the chiefs last year? And what did they really do to fix it, Shrags? They brought back Eric B. Enemy. Oh, my goodness. From 2018 to 2022 was the offensive coordinator when they were humming.

And the hope is if Andy isn't necessarily the, what's the term, the red ass that people wanted, you know, at times, Eric Vianamy is that guy. And the hope is that his voice coming back sparked something new. But Andy's going to be able to, you know, say when his time is up and he's going to be able to ride off into the sunset. I think he said it with his coaching job last year. It's pretty right. Like we watched that happen with Belichick with the, the past, when some of the game management stuff started slipping, it's pretty alarming. But they, They just didn't seem prepared to me. They weren't fixing issues they had.

I don't know if the locker room was that great behind the scenes. There was a lot going on there. It didn't seem like a happy team to me. There were a lot of voices on my network and others that were throwing Belichick's name in for Buffalo. And the premise being the roster's built already. There one win away. Like can Belichick give you one or two years to get this team over? Can you see it or no?

What do you think, house? Of course you can you see it Yes yes yes I can see it I mean he doesn't you don't let him anywhere near The player personnel room you like don't even say oh yeah That room has its own set of keys we don't know Nobody has it like you know As long as it's just come in and coach up that defense

And get some you know The pressure's on me now that that's really interesting So that's just like talk show stuff That's there's no actual smoke to that No, there's none at all. And I know guys in Buffalo, and I would tell you that that name. Oh, let's aggregate it. Fuck that.

That name has not come up. But I saw it. We did it on get up for like a throwaway segment. And then I saw someone else talking about it. And when you think about it just on paper, like the roster's built. We got the same guys. We have playoff experience. We just need to get over the hump.

Like, is there someone who can just win us a game or two more? And I don't know if anyone can win you a game better than Bill Belich. That's a good. get-up segment. That's like the coffee hasn't hit in yet and then somebody's throwing that out like, whoa! It's like having a, like throwing a shot of espresso in there.

So he would well, it's a move point because you said it's not happening. But if he wasn't involved with any sort of picking the players, well then the other question would be he wasn't exactly awesome at hiring coordinators and coaches the last few years. No.

The better question is, as a Patriots fan, would you be more worried about him or would you be more worried about Davis Webb being hired? I'd be more worried about Belichick. That's telling. I would. House agrees? Of course House agrees. See, now I'm going to get worried this might happen.

I mean, it's fun. As a Pat's fan, I hope to hire a third-year-old coach. That would be the dream. How old was McVeigh? McVeigh was 30. He's the youngest ever. And then this Udinsky's younger than him. He's a fucking unicorn.

So if you're thinking about matching that one again, good luck. McVeigh was hired after, and House, you remember this season, they lost to the Giants, Washington in week 17, to a giant team

that already clinched. They lost 19 to 10. McVeigh was the play caller, only one year. And I remember talking to him. He's like, I just pissed down my leg. I have no shot at being a head coach.

Like, it's never going to happen now. And he got interviews with San Francisco and the Rams, and he won the Rams job, despite being on a team that didn't make the playoffs, being 30. and despite, you know, falling on his face in week 17, like that is such a swing. I don't know if the bills or the Browns

are willing to take a swing on Udinski, who's 30, or Davis Webb, who's 30. Like, I love being aggressive, but... Not when you have Josh in the prime of his career. House, what would be... You can't say Hugh Jackson or people like that. What would be the funniest coaching hire for the bills? Is it Mike McCarthy?

where it's like it's just you can talk yourself into it. I kind of could talk myself in Mike McCarthy. But it's kind of funny where you're just going sideways from Sean McDermott to Mike McCarthy. No, Tony Dungey would be funnier to me. It would be like grabbing somebody off of TV. Well, Jason Garrett would be the funniest. Jason Garrett would be the funniest.

But he got an interview in Tennessee, which was literally amazing. He did not get a second interview. One of my favorite stories. So. And then your guy, your guy, non-kid solid, got the Tennessee. Got the job. Got the job. Nine kids. They're going to be moving from San Francisco to Nashville,

his third place in three years. Pack the kids. Let's go. That's great. I mean, perfect place to live. Get a nice house, like 20 minutes away from the city. You get like a nine-bedroom house. Living that Brentwood, Franklin. Yeah. Great job. All right. I wish, I want somebody in his life to say, you know, the Jets to the Titans isn't like the line. Like, you just went through chaos and chaos was it and you saw how much it's sabotaged you because I actually think that Sal is a, Bobby's a, I think

he's got a, there's a coach in there. A good coach in there somewhere. And what he did with that defense. Like, hey, that San Francisco defense. But going to the Titans with that bring trust. Well, I don't know.

The key is the quarterback. And I think this pod and the three of us last week were very positive on Cam Ward. And I got text from people being like, whoa, you house and Simmons sure love Cam Ward. I'm like, he showed great flashes. And that's why that was an attractive job. There's also a new stadium coming next year.

And there's a lot of salary cap space. And their new GM, Mike Borganzi's a smart dude, Boston guy. Okay. Smart guy. That's it. All right. The offensive coordinator position is what matters because Sala doesn't call the offense. So you hire Sala, and now we're two days later.

Cliff hasn't committed anywhere yet. He might go to Baltimore or Nashville or maybe Vegas. And then who else you're talking to? You're thinking Dayball maybe if he doesn't get the job in Buffalo? But that's going to be the most important. Horton hire there. Casal's got nothing to do with, you know,

Cam Ward and third and six, what are we calling, you know? I thought it was interesting what happened in the Jets' defense after he left, where it became clear the Jets defense was overachieving

when he was there, and you could see it, just do this right after. So Dayball to Buffalo is probably the most, that would be the second, most nervous I'd be, as a Pats fan. Because he,

he knows the city, he gets it, he's worked with Alan. He's from there, too. He's been really good. I think you could argue that Giants thing. He just had bad luck left and right for years and years and years. And maybe he learned some stuff.

Who's the defensive coordinator, though? That's the, I need to know the answer to that before I have an opinion. Luana Rumo. Maybe he's bouncing around. Could be. Last one, Vegas. The Vegas one, as you know, I love that job. And Mendoza, I think his stocks even higher than it was two weeks ago.

And I think they have talent on the roster. Like, I don't mind the job. So who gets that one? I was there on Monday night at the college football playoffs, and I'm on the sideline before the game, just doing my usual walk around like a, whatever, a nebish. And I'm watching Brady, Mark Davis, John SpyTech, Egon Durbin, the other owner,

the four of them just staring at Mendoza, just watching every, like they're at like a bar at 2 in the morning, check it out a chick. I thought he was going to say staring at a boil of danger. staring at Alex Earl. Just watching how everything he did. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I do when I go to basketball games.

I love watching the guys in the warm-ups. I like watch the term timeouts. You can learn so much from that stuff. And he played amazing. And he was awesome. And on Fourth Down makes the play, that's everything you'd think Brady would ever want. Just give up your body and just dive and flip

and do the helicopter, whatever it is. So I would think he's their quarterback, I would think, not knowing anything. And I think I said this last week, like Brady's going to make that decision. And if Brady isn't a fan of Mendoza, that won't be the quarterback. So anything I say or Danny Kelly says or Field Yates or Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah says, means nothing. It's whether Brady thinks he's the guy. But I think Brady was probably impressed by that.

The coaching position is fascinating, though, because I had been hearing Minter as a popular choice for Vegas. And then Davis Webb's name keeps coming up there also. So you've got... Not Cliff? Defensive coach. Yep. Or Cliff has an interview there. They haven't given Cliff an interview.

So Vegas, to me, who's going to be best with Mendoza? That's it, right? That's the answer to that. If you take Mendoza, then you need a coach that is going to help that kid, like, you know, become the best version of himself. Do you have to hire, is there like a time limit to hiring a head coach? Has anybody ever dragged this along until like March? Just been like, yeah, we still don't know.

Well, the Colts were left at the altar when Josh McDaniels left and they hired Who do they end up hiring that year instead? I'm going blank. Was it Chuck Pagano? Yeah. No. They fired Pagano.

Whoever's between Pagano and Shane Steig. I'm so embarrassed right now. Frank Reich. That's who it was. Frank Reich. And then last year... House that I made... If we made money on Franks last year,

Frank was a ghost. too. And then last year, Kellan Moore wasn't officially hired until after the Eagles, you know, won the Super Bowl. They can't meet with any coaches in person and they can't interview them

in any sort of way if the team is still alive in the playoffs. So if Shula or Shill House or Davis Webb or Vance Joseph or Clint Kubiak, you go down the list of all these guys, I don't think there's anyone in New England who's interviewing for head coaching jobs, but any of those

coordinators win another week, well, that only pushes it back even more. And I don't know if these teams are looking to wait. I was worried about our, our precociously young defensive coordinator who had to step up. I was worried. He's like 28.

Because our defense has been really well coached and has gotten better week by week, month by month. Like, it's noticeable. It's way different than it was. And I think he has to get credit for that. Yeah, well, Tara Williams, you know, fell ill early on in the season.

And then this guy has been, calling the plays, but is maybe the most underappreciated gem of this entire Patriots run. He was inside linebackers coach. Him and Matt Collins, the two unappreciated gems of the 2025 past season.

All right, we'll do the games. I just want to say beyond the record, I think Kubiak would be amazing in Vegas. I like that. Kubiak and Mendoza would be really because what Kubiak did with taking what every single one of us, at least, I won't put you

in our box Shreger, forecasting how the Seahawks was going to do. The bit that we were most concerned about was that offensive line. And somehow that offensive line turned out to be absolutely perfectly. Sam Darnold was back there thriving. Over these last six weeks, they established

a run game, a two-headed monster. Kubiak has really just excelled. I think the season. I agree with that. And I looked at Vance Joseph's Broncos thing, because I remember not feeling great about him as a coach, but not feeling terrible.

but then you look back at the teams that he had. He had no quarterback at all. It was like Osweiler. Yeah, it was a mess. Paxton Lynch. I think when you're these guys that have failed, but they failed specifically because they had no quarterback whatsoever, that's,

you know, that was how Atlanta jumped on Stefanski right away because you could excuse the last couple years. Now, whether it's valid or not, you find out when he's in the next spot. One team that's interesting is Arizona. There's very little reporting on. The team does not announce when they interview coaches, which is so refreshing and fun.

You know how these teams put out the social media posts. I don't get that at all. I don't either. Let the reporters do the job. Go find out who reported. I will say this. Rahim Morris interviewed very well. He's back.

He could find his way back into the head coaching world. Can you just hire like a game management assistant? They won their last four games after being eliminated. There's something to be said for that in Atlanta. I think he would be awesome as a defensive coordinator of the Bills. Dayball and Rahim Morris would be that. Now you're, that would be something. I've made this point multiple times.

I thought Atlanta was like easily the best under 10 wins team in the league. Like if there was like a playing tournament of all the non-playoff teams, I think they would have been favored. And they were one of the best teams the Pats played. Oh, they should have been that game. We talked about that missed extra point. But I was there when they beat the Rams. I was there when they beat the Bucks.

Like, they win. I'd say when they beat the bill. Weren't they three kicks away from being 11 and 6 basically? Yes. That's what I was. It was like a missed PAT, the coup field goal and one other one. All right. Which game do you want to hit first house?

You pick. Broncos or Seahawks Rams? No, let's do Seahawks Rams first because the Broncos and Pat's is just so hard to put arms around, I feel like. Seahawks. More straightforward one is just this. rubber match. Seahawks minus two and a half. That's the line on Fanduil.

Threatened to be three for a while. Settled there. Big question is what we're getting from Sam Darnold. So Shragg's is going to tell us right now. How healthy is Sam Darnold? Because I was worried about him last week. I ended up hedging some bets and felt stupid because he was fine. He threw a pass across his body in the back of the end zone to Jackson,

Smith, and Jigua that I'll put up against any pass that was thrown this entire NFL season as far as just beautiful. I would say his oblique is going to be fine. That's now eight days, nine days removed. I have, we went on the pod, you and I, Bill, House, you weren't with us. It's the one day you were out and I filled in and it was after Seattle Rams part two. And that game was unbelievable. I have gone back and watched the first two times these teams played.

If you were to do a prize fight, which we love talking boxing, and you were to say, each quarter counts as a round, Chris Shula's Rams, defense was up seven to nothing on Clint Kubiak's city hawks offense that included all those interceptions from darnold seven interceptions all that but then the fourth quarter and overtime of that second game they started doing play action they started doing trick plays there was all sorts and sam tharnold came alive it's like seven to one as far as the rounds go but the rounds that mattered

Seattle at the end there just leave like any issue of like oh the Rams defense has dominated Seattle like I throw it out the window because they crack some sort of code there in the fourth quarter and overtime I think they're going to be okay as far as an offense goes they showed flashes there

in that second game so the two questions I have on that note how impactful do you think the Charbonnet loss is and are we a thousand percent confident that Charles Cross is 100% ready to go, no issue whatsoever, not diminished. Don't know the latter. The former, I will say this, because I couldn't tell you the exes and

nose of it. I was talking to Orlovsky today who you see on ESPN all day, every day. He's just an energizer bunny, but I was with him today. And I said, tell me like Charbonnet, he says, the thing that no one will know is, or that no one talks about too often, he's like, I watch all the tape. Kenneth Walker is not a great pass blocker. And that's why Charbonnet's in as much as he is. And in fantasy football, You want to bang your head into the wall if you're Kenneth Walker owner. You're like, why is he ever out? So that might be what they're missing more than just the interior runs.

I thought Sharpernay from an actual running standpoint was pretty grim. And he was, I think, a very frustrating Seahawk for the fans. But the past protection stuff is worrisome. Gambling manifesto. But where have the looked a little too good the previous round team is just pulsating Seahawks. Like, you can't have a better game than that. And it was actually a little too good of a game. There's some gambling stats about like if you blow somebody out like that

and a playoff round, what happens to next round? The beware of all dome or warm weather teams playing outdoors and cold weather. I don't think it's going to be cold, right? It'll be okay. Decent. It's not going to be like in the Seattle. Chicago. Yeah.

Aging Q being cold weather, we don't have to worry about that. The only other one that really stood out to me, because even the coaches one is out. We have four really good coaches. Rule number three. don't dismiss the nerd evidence if the nerd evidence is absolutely overwhelming. I just feel like the Rams special teams has to come back and haunt them in one of these games. This is their third road game, third road game in a row and a road game where you end up in the

worst spot in the league for a road game, Seattle. It's the furthest, you know, anywhere. So you're flying where they go, Carolina, they're in the southeast, come back. Then they go to Chicago, come back. Now they're going on the Pacific Northwest, which from LA is in six hours. But the three road games in a row really worries me. And then the bigger thing, Shregs, I just didn't think the Rams looked that good the last couple games.

It was almost like that that Ram, especially that Rams game, the Rams Seahawks Week 16, as they lost steam in that game, they never got the steam back. That Carolina could have beaten them. They weren't better, but they could have. And I just thought the bears were better and should have won that. the game. I went back and I watched the fourth quarter in the OT. The Bears had it. They're in midfield. They fucking

had the ball. They had momentum. They had everything. How about McVeigh? Not letting Stafford throw the ball in overtime, first drive. Three runs in a row. How about two minutes? Everybody. Two minutes, eight seconds left and they decide to run the ball

and they call a time out before the two minute warning. Sean opened. I talked to him afterwards. He openly was like mortified with the way he called that game. And he's like, the players bailed me out. Like Mivas bailed me out.

And Cam Curl, former Washington commander, bailed me out. Incredible. Don't think that was lost on me. How so? Forbes. How so?

We share the Rams defense. Is that good? No. Because the advanced metrics like it a lot more than my eye test is like that dating back to that week 16 game.

It feels like teams are now just going up and down the field on them. Fucking Bryce Young was doing it. So we have all these, We have the advanced stats, and it's like a four-month sample size. I feel like they're a team that's running out of steam a little bit. When you need it most on a third down, McVeigh calls timeout,

talks to Stafford, they see the hot route. No, I'm talking about defense, not offense. I know. I'm saying when you need it most, though, their defense came up with the interception. Yeah. And then their offense. I mean, it was a terrible miscommunication play and a play that I'm not sure why you're trying to get to the 20-yard line

when you need to get to the 38. And they weren't being stuck. And Caleb Williams, uses legs, got two first downs. Just use your legs, throw it to the tight end for five yards, do a design scramble. I, if I was a Bears fan, that game as the weeks past,

House, let me throw this at you. The Rams, who have been an awesome offense, they a little slow to you? Like a great defense like the Seahawks. And I think that at home, I think we can give them the great tag. Not like 2000 Ravens great,

but really, really up there. And I don't think they really have any. way they defend the run gets great. They don't have any weaknesses. And the Rams, the way they do it. It's methodical. You go down the field and, you know, and then hope or Puka can break and play. They don't really, they're not getting the long plays like they used to.

And I don't really know who their speed guy is. Well, it's two to at Will and he didn't dress last game. Right. And then Puka, like, you look at the game. He was like five for 50 last week. Their biggest play that anyone made was, was Parkinson on a little tight end route. And I just wonder, are the Seahawks going to move everybody? up and basically dare the Rams to go over the top and attack and hit Pooka and just kind of

keep everybody in front of them and just make it a game where it's going to have to be 12-play drives to go down the field on them. So I thought where you were going with this when you started, and I actually quite like it as I'm thinking about it, is are we waiting on the Rams to go up-tempo? Like this methodical bit that you're talking about. I don't think you can do that in Seattle. But they did it in overtime. That's what they did in overtime.

true true yeah and it worked tough for three hours and tough in that cold let me to throw another thing you stafford does look 100% healthy to me at this point and i think had had a couple really hard games there adams we know is in 100% and puka has taken more hits this year than anyone else in the league and now has to go against the seattle defense and Forbes went down with the hamstring he'll play but that's that's real i think that there's a lot of miles that have added up on this rams team that makes me really nervous about them on the road. I think the line should be three. What do you think the line should be house?

Yeah, I'm listening. I'm listening. I'll give you another little Shreger's side note, fact, anecdote type deal. Shrader's side notes. That's good. That's it.

Not notes. Not for Pete's sake. Not for Pete's sake. Not this one. Very difficult conversations they had internally after the season. And they were like, it's time to move on from Cooper Cup,

who is a beloved ram, Triple Crown winner, Super Bowl MVP, and they basically told Cooper, like, we're not going to pay you what you were making, and you're free to go explore. He was off free agent for quite a bit. A couple days, there were no real takers. The Seahawks paid him a lot of money,

and they're like, well, we got a spot for you. Meanwhile, the Rams used all that money and paid Devante Adams. It looked great for the Rams all season long. Cooper Cups a competitor. Keep that in mind. Ernest Jones, Super Bowl hero from the Rams.

They said, this isn't working here. They moved on from him. He had a nice little couple years, whatever, in Tennessee. Then he's become like the Seahawks best linebacker. And he is a vocal player and he is a super spirited guy. I love revenge stuff. I love all that. You know, I do.

Cooper Cup, Ernest Jones, just put those two out there. Ernest Jones cost me so much money because when the Rams moved away from him, I was like, oh, so the Rams are tanking. The Rams are getting ready for whoever the next quarterback is going to be. I can remember what the quarterback class was. They roped up to shit out. I lost because that defense was a no-name defense. They had two incredible draft picks.

Then they immediately fortified the front again. Kobe Turner and Byron Young. Yeah. And verse has been incredible. Like, God, it's okay. I mean, the money's gone. I lost it, fair and square. but that's part of why I have to give McVeigh credit.

They retooled. They did not rebuild in any way, shape, or form. They pulled a defense together like that. I think, you know, the argument for the Rams is that they're not going to be scared of going to Seattle. They've won there for years. Third game is always scary. And it's just, he's a fucking unbelievable coach. And he's had a bad game last week and they survived.

He's not going to have a bad game two weeks in a row. case for Seattle other than what we've already talked about they've only lost one six week five they've won eight straight in the last few weeks they beat the Rams and they beat the Niners twice now the Rams game was goofy

obviously the revenge stuff you mentioned they seem pretty healthy other than the Charbonnet thing they're home Rams special teams scares the living shit out of me and I just did not like what I saw from the Rams

the last two weeks. I don't know how you can feel good about it. And I think playing three road games in a row in the playoffs is fucking meaningful. I don't think you can skip over that. They're the first team in the Super Bowl era to not cover the spread in the first two games. They have arrived at the conference championship without covering in either of the two

previous weeks. It's really, really hard. One of one. And they also have a rest disadvantage. And there's a nice action network. Teams with the rest advantage, 21 and 7 straight up at home. Seattle at home with the extra day.

Have you guys been to a game up there in Seattle before? I have. I'm dying to go. It's so cool. And I did Monday night football this year against the Texans, but I was at the playoff game where they played the Michael Crabtree, Aaron Andrews game.

That one, I was at the Sherman game. When it gets like, like last week, when Shaheed returns the kick, Camera trumbly. Yeah. Yes. And it's like an avalanche. It's like you just, you can't stop it.

It's just too much to momentum. They don't lose many playoff games at home. The one that I remember was against the Rams, but it was during COVID. And it was a weird year. And it was Jared Gough with nine fingers beats Russell Wilson off and Galf came off the bench. But like, they don't lose many games at home. And when that crowd gets going, especially in a night game, like it's, it's very hard to win there.

Well, one other thing I like about this, it feels like every week they've got a little bit better at using Shahid and kind of figuring out what kind of weapon that is. But him on special teams, I think, should be terrifying for the Rams with how bad they've been. But then they can just get him involved

a couple times in different ways. And I think they can throw on them. Now, there's a chance that Arnold could just shit the bet again. Can't be ruled out. But he's thrown seven interceptions in two games against this team. Not great.

Mike McDonald's first conference champion chip game as a head coach. I like the look of the... He was a coordinator for Baltimore and lost in the Chiefs. Yeah. I like the two and a half too. And that's where I'm leaning unless you want to try to talk to me out of it.

No, it's super fair. One and a half, you know, whatever it was, three weeks go two and a half now. And, you know, I think the extra point, half of that extra point for the incredible home field advantage in the playoffs and extra half a point for how good

that defense looked last week. Shaheed to score a touchdown in the first half, 18 to 1. Oh, see, I like Cup. I think they're going to get him going. Oh, I'm sorry, to score the first touchdown.

First touchdown? Yeah, Cup is 15 to 1 for the first one. Cup anytime score plus 2. Get him, they want to get him in there, trust me. I got to make a note of this whole day. I like the, I like the, I like the Seahawks minus 2 and a half.

And I like Stafford Interception minus 1114, that Stafford will throw one pick. I would like to, so for Ringer 107, we have, we had to pick both games straight up and you can parlay of them

or go straight up and then props are unders for the other two. And I would like to suggest as a possible prop house, Stafford Interception Minus 114. Did you have, go ahead, Pete.

Did you see the whole thing with the Pope and the Seahawks? Have you seen that? What's that one? Oh, this is up your alley. In 2004, we got a new Pope and the Seahawks went to the Super Bowl. In 2013, we got a new Pope and the Seahawks went to the Super Bowl.

In 2025, we got a new Pope to the Seahawks. It sounds like I have to add this to the gambling manifesto if it happens. Don't bet it gets the Seahawks in the year of a new Pope. Make this a social clip, will you? Well, I was thinking the flip side of this, Patriots, 2001, Brady's first Super Bowl, they upset the Rams. It all comes full circle in 2018. Brady's last Super Bowl, they beat the Rams.

Now we're starting to Drake May era. Could it be Drake May trying to beat the Rams for his first Super Bowl? And we're basically just bookending. I like your Pope thing more, though. All right. So it sounds like Shriggs kind of understands why we're going Seahawks minus two and a half

but doesn't really want to say I don't think the ram. I'm not sitting there in a pick. I'm just, I laid out some things and I'm not disagreeing. You know, you can make arguments to the contrary. Patriots Broncos.

By the way, did you, you read Klausterman's book, right? Yes. Do you have any knowledge of that bloody Sunday that he wrote about? the Super Bowl 10

Cowboys versus Steelers and the line started off at two and a half but nobody was betting it then it kept on going off. Yeah, that was the Jackie Smith game. That's the most famous. Did you know that story?

Oh yeah, that's the most famous gaming story. They moved the line around and basically the books lost on every version of every bet. Got smoked with a middle, right? Yeah. That was like the first famous gambling story

I think I ever knew. I'd never heard that. And basically, if you haven't heard of it, Chuck writes about it. I just, I ripped through that book. in like three days. It was two and a half.

No one was betting on the underdog, which was the Cowboys. I thought it was three and a half. Was it three and a half? Yeah. It moved between three and a half and four and a half. It bounced back and forth. And every time the line moved,

it ended up winning. And then it ends up being a four point game and all the bettors who came in early and all the betters who came in late, all won. Right. And I'm like, this is incredible.

And then the pushes, which is the worst case scenario for the books. Not great either. How start us off with Broncos pets? Well, the starting point is whether, you know, what your perspective is on the amount of line movement because where is it sitting right now? It's four and a half. It's bounce between five and a half and four and a half. I personally think it should be three and a half, but fine.

So that's the, you know, you have to first, first, get. yourself comfortable with the math problem, which is in the absence, if Nix was playing, I think Denver would be favored by one and a half. Do you agree with that or no? Yeah. Denver at home, that's all we're saying. This is the problem with this line, and I said this Sunday night, I don't think going from Nix to Stidham should be worth six points. I thought it was going to be worth three. I was way off. I picked Pats by one and a half and the line opened at five and a half because I think there's ways

for them to win the game without having to rely on sit them too much. I just thought it was an overreaction. If it was Josh Allen, I get it. But not Bo Nex. You clearly well last week. I get it. I get it.

And game plan wise... That's seven points better. Here's the thing. The way that the Broncos decided to scheme offense last week against the bills, they threw the ball 51 times. The strength of the Buffalo's

Bill's defense was supposed to be defending the past. Now, the way that Denver played all season long, I think they were either the second lowest or lowest air yards, right? They don't go down the field. Everything is around the line of scrimmage in terms of how the ball comes out. That's something where they have such an implicit trust in Knicks. They're going to have success with that. And so if you want to say, can they replicate that with Sittem? Is that, are they going to be comfortable doing that with Stidham? Is that, Can they run that? You left out the other variable because the Pats run defense, people are finally starting

to realize it's really, really good. And they're going to have to throw the ball on us to beat us. Denver can't run the ball. I tried that last week. Yeah, it's like there's R.J. Harvey in there. Dobbins might come back. Yeah. Just take my money and set it on fire.

Yeah. Broncos are not going to try and the stuff. The J.K. Dobbins thing, what's the current state of affairs? Do we think that he's going to play? He's going to really make, he's going to come back out of nowhere and his foot's going to be. I don't know. I'd be suppressed. The practice window is open.

We'll see. You know, it's got two days. That might, that could change. Shraig, let me read you. Estabust the run with him. Let me give you some history with this Jared Stidham situation. Not sure if it was covered on get up. Might have been.

Might have been. He might have been on this. Past 50 years, playoff home dogs of four plus points are nine and no against spread. It's true. No QB has ever made his first start of the year in round three. It's never happened. Stalbach did it in 72, but it was the second round. Round three.

It's never happened. It was the NFC championship game, but yes, there was only two rounds. Go on, sorry. Yeah, true. He's the seventh QB since 1950 to make his first start of the season in the playoffs. And I'm going to talk about the other six. One of whom was near and dear to House is hard. Taylor Hineken in 2020 with the Washington,

in commanders. Covered. Covered. They lost. Tampa's favored by 10. They went by 8. He throws 306 with a touchdown. Played well.

Did. Ron Rivera. Connor Cook for the Raiders. I don't even remember this game. I'll tell you, that was against the Texans. Here's what happened. It was Derek Carr got hurt late.

And then Matt McLean was supposed to play. And he got hurt in week 18. And then they had to start Connor Cook. Well, they lost by 13. And he threw one touchdown and three picks. I do remember this next game. Joe Webb, the 2012 Vikings, Packers favored by 10.

Saturday afternoon game, Christian Ponder's wrist, I believe, was what the issue was the morning of. Joe Webb threw 30 passes. How many did he complete house? Oh, I remember this. Less than 12. Yeah, it was 11.

It was a Saturday day game, and then the night game was that crazy Arizona Green Bay game when Rogers hit two Helmaris. Oh, right, right. 1992, the only win out of all these first time starting all your playoff guys.

Can I guess it? Frank Reich. Frank Rick. Yeah. Great call. So here's how it's a little different, and this has happened in a couple times. Frank Reich, there was a,

he played a bunch the week before. He at least got his feet wet, and then, because I think Kelly got hurt. Buffalo was favored by two at home over the Oilers. They fell down 35 to 3, stage the biggest comeback in the history of football, just an amazing moment.

I definitely gambled on the game, but I don't remember who I had. But I was definitely gambling at that point and had one of the two sides. Maybe I must have had the Oilers because I think I have blacked out. So that's the only win. This one is a great one.

1983. The Detroit Lions are playing Montana and the Niners in San Francisco. They win this game, right? They do not win this game. They do cover because the Niners were seven and a half. They lose by a point. Gary Danielson, 23, 24, they lose.

And they lost on like a missed field goal or extra point that was like a chippy. Well, that's one of the reasons they lost. They also lost because Gary Danielson threw five interceptions. That hurts. The full delome? He did a full delome on us. I don't know if any of them were a pick six. Before the loam.

And then the last one was Stau back with Dallas got killed in Washington. So, 19772. So six quarterbacks, they go one in five straight up, three and three against the spread.

The only thing that's different is that Buffalo was the only one that was home and that was Frank Reich, who won. So I don't know what we learned,

House. I'll give you, I mean, just he hasn't thrown a pass in a game in over 730 days. That's a lot. And,

all right, so we have, Adam in New England. I could empty the bag on what Patent's told me if you wanted me to give you the rallying cry behind it. Well, here's the thing. When Brady left, he was supposed to be the starter the next year and he got hurt. And he hurt

his back and he missed the whole year. They ended up doing the Cam Newton thing. And, you know, Brian Hoyer but it was supposed to be Stidham's job. And they liked Stidham. The McDaniels went to Denver and was like, I need Stidham. Vegas. I mean, Vegas. Took him with him. It was like, I'm taking

Stidham. That's my guy. And then Peyton was like, I like him, brought him to Denver. So he's been a pretty fairly paid backup. I think he's one of the highest paid backups in the league. And I think coaches have liked him and think he's at least competent. Coaches and players. So his nickname is Stiddy. He's got a ton of charisma and swag.

And Jason McCordy was on those Patriots teams and was telling me like, oh, Stiddy thinks he's the number one quarterback in the NFL. and he acts that way, and he almost love it because he's on the scout team that whole season, and he's talking shit to all the defensive players.

He was beloved in New England. The very first day of whatever was. And by the way, they let him go because I think they got Mac Jones. I think that was one of the reasons they were like, okay, good luck steady. So McDaniels brings him with him. Obviously, they bench Derek Carr.

It's great controversy. Derek Carr's, you know, his brother talks on NFL network, you know, have this all, everything. And then Stidham comes in against the number one defense in the entire league, the 49ers. and Stidham throws for 350 yards and lights up the Niners as a raider.

Free agency comes. Sean Payton's first year with Denver has a big board in his office and he's listing out his priorities. Now he's already got Russell Wilson who's there on the hook for for about a billion dollars. And the first name on the list

is Jared Stidham. And they paid him as high a salary as any backup quarterback in the league and they brought him in. And then you'd say, okay, well, Russell didn't work out. would they draft Nix? Well, they fell in love with Nix. They took Nix. He's been there all along on Peyton's hip, on Davis Webb's hip, on Joe Lombardi's hip. And like, when I tell you,

talking to Peyton in the summer, like, tell me stories about Stitty. Like, they love, they love Stiddle. So. Well, did you buy anything when he came out and did the press conference immediately that he got hurt? Like, what was that? Because I saw in one of the shows, they were like, he wanted the Patriots to know he was fine with going to war with Jared Stidum. the next week. Yes, it's also for the Broncos to know that. So instead of Schaefter coming out with a tweet during the second half of the Seahawks game, Payton gets the news, runs to the podium. There's never ever been a second coach's press conference. They assemble the media and he's like, yep, Knicks is hurt. We got Stidham. We feel great with Stidham. Stittie's good.

Look, I'm going to give you a quick Sean Payton history lesson here. You know that he won a Super Bowl and you know that he got suspended for a league for a year from the league. That's two big things in his career that everyone knows him for. Gut-wrenching, horrible, all-time playoff losses.

You're talking about Minneapolis Miracle. You're talking about Alex Smith to Vernon Davis and candlestick at the last second to beat True Breeze. You're talking about the Nicole Roby Coleman play where they didn't call the pass interference. They were home and lost an NFC championship

game, you're talking about that wild game against the Buccaneers in the playoffs where they were the home, you know, favored team and Tom Brady lights up the Buccaneers, it lights up the Saints and wins in the division around. And then the Beast Quake where they're 11 and 5 and they got to go to Seattle. So like, they've had horrendous Sean Payton. I said horrendous playoff losses. And it's almost like. Well, I mean, the worst one ever was that Rams one. That's probably the worst call of the quarter century, right? How's that the number one worst call? non-call. It was such a bad non-call

that they brought in a brand new rule that they never used one time. We'll review passenger interference. I honestly don't understand how they messed that up. It was one of the most blatant past interferences, probably the most blatant past interference that wasn't called that I can remember. Now, the Rams fan will tell you this,

because I've often said that. And the Rams fans' retort is the Saints were up 13-0 at home and lost that playoff game. I know. They also got the ball in overtime. Yeah. I get it.

Drew Brees through a terrible pick. I remember making that point in the podcast. They did get the ball in overtime. It was still a bad call. So anyway, Peyton's had all these horrible losses. It's like he's always got like some crazy way to lose. Is this the year with Stidham that they get over the hump and he gets back to the Super Bowl? Crazy stat.

No seven coaches have coached in two different Super Bowls with two different teams. No coaches ever won a Super Bowl of two different teams. Peyton would be the first. House, give us your Jared. Stidham thoughts because I'll just tell you right now he violates at least three rules in manifesto. There's multiple rules that try to cover this. I don't have any Jared Stim thoughts.

I don't talk yourself into Jared Stimdom as a manifesto staple. It's a scheme concept. You just have to believe in what the Broncos are doing scheme-wise. They do have one of the, what, top three offensive lines in all football? That will be a difference for the Patriots. The Patriots had the luxury of playing at home against two of the worst offensive lines. And now they're going up against, by many measures, a top three offensive line. You know that he's going to be comfortable at home.

You know that he's going to be comfortable with the rhythm that they want to play at. It's just execution. I have no effing idea. How can you handicap that? You figured there's some kitchen sink stuff in this game with the Broncos, right? Every trick you can imagine. They're going to be pulling out all the stops.

Yeah, whatever. And pro-Statim stuff other than that we know Peyton likes them. There's a really gruesome Patriots in Denver playoff history. So have you guys ever won in there or no? Not in the playoffs. 0 and 4 and bad losses.

Rulon Jones is a legendary loss. Denver altitude, not great. Denver is not going to be able to run the ball. And I think Denver is going to know that and sit them. It's not going to be like, hey, sometimes you're, I think they're just like, dude, you're going to have to chuck it in this game or we're not going to win, which I think might be good or might be terrible. If you're going anti, if he starts out slow and a couple of bad things happen, the crowd's going to die. Yeah, and the team morale's going to go in the tank. We've seen this where it's just like, it gets dark. And then I think McDaniels really knows him. He does. So he's going to. Yeah. I would say Sean Payton's his biggest supporter. Josh McDaniels might be his second biggest supporter in the world. I mean, so much so that. they had him as the guy and put that in New England until the injury.

And he brought him to Vegas with him. So he knows everything he can do and not do. 100%. Pro Pat stuff. Beyond the run deep, Matt Collins coming back is huge. I'm just telling you. Like, he really's going to help them run the ball.

And he's kind of Drake's twice a game guy on like a third and eight. I feel like May is due for a good start to finish game. Maybe it's just, maybe he's just too young in his career. But he has this habit of just start. starting slow for an hour and then it kicks in. But Denver's defense, not as good as Houston or the Chargers, I don't think. And I think Denver's defense has had some games where they've looked pretty shaky. And then the Sean Payton thing talking about they're going to have plenty of rest.

The fans got to be loud. They're going to be plenty of rest in two weeks. Vrable's going to fucking jump all over that all weekend. You can't do that with Vrable. He's going to bring that up all the time. So those would be my big ones. House, any other, if you're going pro-pats, anything else you're looking at? No, I was thinking more.

I want to hear whether there's any indication that Stim can run. Because Nix ran 12 times last week. Now it was only for about 30 yards or so, but that the ability of the quarterback. It scares you enough at least to. Yeah. Yeah. Does he have that? He's got it, but it's not like we've seen it.

I mean, he's got that in his game. Apparently he can move. I ask the same thing. And yeah, he's got some mobility, but he's not both. Bo Nix can run. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely can.

I don't like this line at all. Wait, Bill, a couple of thoughts on the Patriots for you. And I want to hear your thoughts. First thing. Drake May, six fumbles and two playoff games? Not great.

Will Campbell, he might start in a Super Bowl at left tackle. I'm not sure this guy is your franchise left tackle. He might be an amazing left guard. I understand Khalil Mack and Will Anderson are unbelievable. but like every time May went back last week, it was, hold your breath. This Nick Benito can run and can rush to quarterback.

So that's something I would watch out for. Shriggs, I'm aware. Yeah. I'm going to float this at you. Are we sure Will Campbell's healthy? Fair. He missed what, three or four weeks at the end of the season? He doesn't look like he has the same kind of side-to-side movement that he used to have.

I'm a little worried about that. Then I have a flip side kind of thing for you. I've seen this a lot. A lot of hate on this Patriots run and that we should discredit it based on the quarterbacks or the teams that they've played in the easy schedule and all that. As someone who follows the NFL, I am here to tell you and I am not a Patriots fan by any means.

It is the most ludicrous thing to say that a team that's on the eve of a Super Bowl has had an easy path. I think it's absurd. that defense that they faced last week in Houston against Houston is one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in years and the Chargers defense whether or not they play that way

consistently all season was phenomenal against the Patriots that week. Denver's good too but like if I'm a Patriots fan do not apologize for anything this has been an amazing run. I made that point on Sunday the Chiefs had that first Super Bowl Mahomes one where they played like

their freaking Texans and then Tadillo and the Titans and like Jimmy Garoppolo in the Super Bowl. Nobody was like, oh, who'd they play? There's some stat going around on one of my Pat's text threads about the DVOA of the defenses, the Patriots that played this year is seventh and the Rams defenses is ninth. It's like, why don't they mention that? I think the line's too high house.

But I also think the Patriots are going to win. Okay. So I'm really, I just, I think that. this is going to be a close game. I think it's really hard to win a game convincingly in Denver with a team. It's one thing if Stidham came in in the second quarter and they're like, oh shit, we got to change everything. They've had all week to figure out exactly how to do this. They're going to be able to throw on the pads a little bit. And then it's really going to come down to, is Ramadra going to be able to run the ball and is Drake not going to turn the ball over?

And I don't know the answers. I think Ramonra is going to be able to run the ball. I want to ask you. You need to run the ball. And for God's sake, can Drake may run the ball? Was that too much to ask for? The fourth quarter, finally, they started running. It was crazy. A couple of the bets that I like for the props.

Yes. Drake's longest run is 12 and a half yards. He did that in six of his last eight games. Not against Houston. No. Ramandre's longest reception, 10 and a half yards is the over under. He's done that in seven of the last nine. Is he 100% healthy?

what's the deal with his eye? He's fine. He got poked in the eye. So I like that. And then there's some Stidham props. Like Stidham basically to throw 20 completions or more is 19 and a half as the completion number. And I just don't think they're going to be able to run the ball that well on the paths. And Stidham's going to have to throw the ball.

How many times they throw it last week? 51? Yeah. Plus he scrambled 12 times? 46, 46. 46 passes. And then Stim, 199 plus yards, I thought was interesting. too because they're going to get offense.

Shrags, I know you love the tie first half. That was the best last week. I was texting you throughout the first half. I'm like, I don't like this. They're up 11. I don't like this. They're up 4. That's 16 to 1.

Do it. And then there's some money line stuff we can do house. You can do Pat's Money Line with the under of 50 and a half. That fits ringer 107 rolls. You can do Pat's money. Denver. plus 14 and a half. It's minus 108.

So basically the Pats win between 1 and 14 points. We could do that. We could do Pats plus 5 and a half with Denver plus 8 and a half. That's minus 111. Basically saying it's going to be either the Pats will lose a close game or Denver is going to lose by less than a touchdown. Those were probably the ones I was looking at the most. But the Pats money line with the under 50 and a half.

There would be 51 points in this game. Seems pretty high. If we knew how many turnovers there would be, then I would feel more comfortable with it. But like we, I just... Let's just hope there's not a close call at the end because the NFL's got to, you know, get it going. We've got to kick off afterwards.

Shriggs, Broncos D gave up 29 to Indy, 32 the Giants, 24 to Dallas, 26 to Green Bay, 26 to Washington, and 30 to Buffalo last week. Yeah, and yet they rushed a passer, which is what you have to be worried about with your quarterback. Yeah.

Can we just target Riley in Sacks? I think they might have led the league in sacks. I could be actually throwing that number out. They might not even be good at Sacks.

Can we go big picture? Did you think Denver was that good this season? Cardiac kids type season, like the Bears. Like just won amazing games. But I don't know if they're that good. They're the number one seed,

though, and they earned a home field advantage, which I think is huge there. I thought they were good. House? I thought they were good. I think the Seahawks like another. level. The Patriots. They're good.

They're fine. Two fine teams. The conference championships right to go to the Super Bowl. Fine. So it sounds like we have to trust the manifesto. What's the manifesto net out with? We had a lot of different arguments there. It says, but where the nobody believes in us team

for the Broncos? That's scary. Beware of any team that could use a notable off-field distraction, major injury or tragedy is a Gobbonizing force. They fit that one. Never pick an underdog unless you genuinely believe that it has a chance to win. They hit that one as well.

Rule number 11. Don't talk yourself into a terrible QB ever for any reason. It's tricky. We don't know if he's terrible. And be super careful with first-time playoff QBs who are basically like 20 and 42 against straight up and also terrible against the spread. and then remember the law of Lombardi

bad offensive lines don't travel that could be the Patriots yeah that's the Patriots Denver's offensive lines pretty good rule number 18 take one last look at the quarterbacks it doesn't help us the fear of this is

you talk yourself into the Broncos all week and then Jared Stadham sucks and the reason he sucks is because he's been a backup QB his whole career and you're watching the game and you're a half hour and you're like, what did I do?

I just bet on the Broncos backup QB in the AFC title game. I'm an idiot. Sean Payton loved him so, so much that he drafted Bo Nix in the first round

with him on the roster. Right. He loved him so much he used the biggest draft capital piece he had on a competitor that could take his job. Here's what I envision

and when you're talking about, oh shit, you start the game and you're like, wait, house is exactly right one of those wide receiver screens to like Marvin Mims or Cortland Sutton and he throws

a wobbly ball and it's a pick six to start the game and you're like all right here we go right House we take in the pads minus four and a half I hate it we're not so many points you got to take Denver the math says take Denver there's no from from the perspective of like

just the basic math of it you have to play Denver I can't do it lay you can't four and a half. It just doesn't, there's no basis for it. It doesn't make any sense. All right. So I'm going to do Pat's Money Line with the under 15 and a half then. Okay. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm just, you know,

we haven't had great success tying things together. Maybe this will be when it turns. It could be. We did go three and one last week. We should have got four and no. We talked ourselves into the stupid Niners. I know. That was me. No, it was fair. very interesting nugget here. Maybe my most insightful stuff.

If it goes, as you guys say, we'll have two mics coaching against each other in the Super Bowl. If it goes the opposite way, it'll be two Sean's coaching against each other in the Super Bowl. My work is done. That's so dumb.

Do you like... You don't like any under in the Seahawks, right? That's the stayway. All right, Wainer 101. 107 is presented by Fandle's Sportsbook. That's where we get the lines from. and our first game is going to be

the Patriots Broncos. We are going to take the Patriots money line parlayed with an under of 50 and a half. So if this game goes to 51 points and up, we lose. We're scared of the line. It's happened before. Broncos plus four

and a half at home. There's no sign of history of this not covering, which is a little worrisome. There's also some bad bet. We covered all of it in the pot. That's one. Second, Remandre, Steve, Evenson, longest reception, 10 and a half yards, over. Little bailout.

Love this. I adore this. He's did it, seven of his last nine times. That's our second bet. Love this one. Third bet. Going Seahawks, minus two and a half against the Rams. Rams, third straight road game.

I think the Seahawks are the best team in the league. We'll see if Donald's oblique can hold up. Then last but not least, what do you think, Matthew Stafford for the interception minus 114? What is the cup anytime touchdown? But we're doing ring or one of seven. We don't need to take like a risk. Got it, got it, got it, got it.

So we could do, we could do Stafford. You could do the Drake May longest rush, 12 and a half yards, or we can do Stidham plus 19 and a half completions. What excites you at the most house? Stafford interception. That would have been the most fun to root for it. You don't like that one? Well, he didn't throw, he just doesn't throw a ton of picks.

It's like not his thing. And he didn't throw it, you know, whatever that was. Three weeks ago, no interceptions. Shriggs, is there a guy in the Seahawks-Rams game you feel like could be heard from? I like a cup. You'd like the cup alt-receiving? I feel like they're going to, this is, it sounds absurd. I feel like they're going to make a priority in an emphasis on getting cup involved against

his former team with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. Cup 30 plus yards minus 114. our parameters. I like it. You like that one house? That's my favorite of all the ones. Really? You like that more than the... My second favorite is Stidham Completion, so you can tell where am I hit that. And the tie.

Well, I'll parlay it. I could also offer you Rashid Shahid five plus rushing yards at minus 101. It's one sweep around the corner. They had that great sweep for a big play. Just one time, one little gimmick sweep. I love that one. Why did you wait so long? to do that one.

I don't know. We'll do that one. That's a terrific one run. Rashid. Sheed. Five plus yards, minus 108. Today's Ringer 107 was brought to you by Fandul.

Odd subject to change. Shrags. So you're on the Super Bowl. Yeah. And then what happens? Are you at one of these games this weekend? I'm not. I work on Monday night football,

so there's no Monday situation. I'll say this. They're supposed to be this horrendous blizzard Joe House, I know you're aware. It's common. It's common. I think the NFL is in cahoots with the weather gods. The ratings are going to be absolutely insane.

No one's leaving the house for two days. And we just have two football games on. I can't wait. There's even stuff in like Texas. Like Dallas is getting annihilated like they did at that Super Bowl. Yeah. We were at that Super Bowl. We were.

Nice bowl. That was my favorite Super Bowl. We were the only ones there. Nobody else could get there. That was the best one. That's my favorite one. I don't think we're hiring a restraints of that. We had a great time.

I don't think we hung. I think the first time I hung with Bill at a Super Bowl was New Orleans when it was 49ers Ravens. Oh, wow. I think Lewis K. introduced Dustin. I was like a kid in a candy shop. I was there. That was 2013.

That was me against Cous and Al. So were you there the last night and before the game in Dallas when we went to that party and nobody was at the party and they had like a million things of booze? Was that the party? And it was outdoors cold and Ashton Couture. Yes. And we were all huddled under the heat lamps. Yeah, with Aaron Andrews.

Yeah, yeah. Motherfucker. We did it all. Lewis was there. Lewis was there. We were drinking and freezing to death. And I flew from there to New York. And I got bronchitis.

I was the sickest I've ever been. I was in the, ironically, the Trump Plaza Hotel in New York City for two days. Like having like fever dream, like thinking I was going to die level. sick and missed multiple flights back. It was most sick I've ever been, but I had a great time. Thank you, Dallas.

Thank you, Dallas. Thank you, Dallas. Do you go to that Nick and Stephs? Great steakhouse down there. Definitely did that. Nick and Tonys. The funny thing is that with Dallas, Dallas is set up where it's like they have no snowplow.

They have no ice. They have no salt for the ice of the things. They just have no plan if there's ever bad weather. It's like, sorry, guys, you're on your own. It's the strangest thing. saw. Nobody could drive around. No, the bus drivers didn't know how to do it. They're like careened off the road, if you remember.

It was like a muscle band. Yes, it was brutal. Honestly, Dallas's handling of bad weather would be the most inexplicable thing this century with Dallas if they hadn't tried to Luca Donchich for a banged up Anthony Davis. That's still number one. How about you suggesting Luca? How about you suggesting, what was it, LeBron James for Cat? All my Knicks fans texting me. Would they get mad?

No. You missed earlier in the podcast. We traded Luca for Yannis. He just tried that. Yeah, you tried it. It got rejected. All right, real quick. Shriggs.

Real quick. Oh, go. Netflix, they've had this whole thing. Netflix is a joke. I've seen all these ads about Tim Dillon doing something and this one's doing something. Can we get a Simmons in House May? Netflix is a joke like a live event where you guys are doing something for Netflix. Can I go and attend that?

I would love that. Well, I'm actually doing that because I'm doing something with the guys from tires. Oh, Shane and those guys. Yeah, we're doing that. We're doing that in that and Matt. Yeah. I have to invite myself to be in the audience for that. You can,

you and I'll be in the old. We'll be backstage. Yeah. Bill Simmons T-shirts. Where's the food? Where is it? It's in L.A. Oh, great.

I think I'm going to see Shane Gillis this weekend. If the snow doesn't stop me, he's playing at the garden. New York City. I know. I have friends that are going to that. Okay. Happy for that, dude.

Shrag's great to see you. House. Thanks for sticking around for, for two hours and nine minutes. You did it. You did it again. You know how we do. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well.

Don't forget, new rewatchable's coming Monday. We're first time on Netflix. It is going to be Zodiac. You can also get it on Spotify. Spotify as well. We're taping it tomorrow. Could be three hours.

Yeah, me and Fantasy and Chris Ryan. Fincher. And that's it. We have a bunch of more pods going on Netflix as well, starting on Monday. Guys, enjoy the weekend. Go, Pat's. Let's go football.

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