The Bill Simmons Podcast - Miami vs. LeBron, Trubisky’s Farewell, a Pissed-Off Rodgers and Lots of Falcon Poop with Cousin Sal

Episode Date: September 28, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Celtics getting bounced out of the playoffs, a Heat-Lakers NBA Finals, finals gambling odds, and more (2:03). Then they discuss Sunday's NFL slate, including the Saints' loss to the Packers, the Patriots pulling out a win over the Raiders, the 3-0 Chicago Bears, Bills-Rams, Cowboys-Seahawks, the disappointing Eagles-Bengals tie, Lions-Cardinals, and more (14:08). They then guess the NFL lines for Week 4 (57:05) and share another edition of Parent Corner (1:26:54). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Taping this a little before 845 Pacific Time Sunday night. Bizarre weekend. The Celtics won a playoff game on my birthday, and now the Celtics season has ended right as we're about to do Guess the Lines with Cousin Sal. I don't – I'm just completely discombobulated. I'm rattled. You might have to carry me on this one, Sal. I like this.

Two weeks in a row, two Sunday nights in a row. You're, you're bummed beyond and, and you actually do look bummed here. Uh, but they did win on your birthday and they're not even the better team. So that was nice of them to do. I know. At least they made it clear that,

uh, that Miami was the better team with how they rolled over in the last five minutes. It's tough. It goes back to those first two games. They lose both of them. They should have split. And then you're in a situation where you basically have to beat Miami five times to win the series.

Yeah. Which rarely works. And Miami, you know, the thing that's great about them, they can just get it from somebody different quarter to quarter, half to half. Iggy hits five threes. Iggy's back. Back to the finals. Out of nowhere. Bam was the best player in the series.

It was great. And the Celtics never had an answer for him. And I don't really know what happened the last five minutes. They were up 96-90. And then basically got annihilated from that point on. And this is like, you know, with, I don't know, six minutes left. I don't know if the zone wore them down. I don't know if the zone keeps Miami fresher

so that they have more energy at the end of these games or what's going on. You could care less about either of these teams. What did you see? I don't know what keeps them fresher, but they do seem exactly that, fresher, right? They just have guys who go at it nonstop. And it seemed like you panicked a little, your guys at the end,

even with like a three or four or five point lead, started shooting threes, came out of your game a little bit. But like you said, the better team won. A lot of nice storylines here, I think, from Miami. People are bummed that it's not Boston and Lakers, but Miami Lakers, fun storylines, right? Pat Riley seemed super bummed,

almost as bummed as you. That's Miami. When they showed him with the mask, it looked like he was going to fall asleep. He's like, I don't want to play the Lakers. Does this mean we're going to lose in five? But I actually think it's going to be competitive. I think it's going to be really competitive.

We're going to do guess the lines in a second. It was weird. The Celtics came unglued and they were, you know, you could say, well, they were a young playoff team, but Miami had a lot of young guys too. I think the difference was they just, you look at like fourth quarter game

one and game two, those last like three minutes. And then the last five minutes of this game, and that's the entire series. Cause they, the two games they won, they played way better. Hero wins game four. He has like this out of body experience and you throw that one out. But then Miami won the, won the true playoff games, the nitty gritty ones and made all these different hustle plays warm down. So it's got discombobulated. And then you start looking around

football's like this too, where you just start crossing off on your list, guys you don't trust anymore. Hayward, by the second half, I was like, this guy's a carcass. As good as he was the first game when he came back, I don't know whether he re-injured his ankle or what, but Stevens is what

his biggest blind spot as a coach is. He doesn't seem to recognize when Hayward's completely useless, so he's done. Kemba gets the fouls early and in the fourth quarter, just completely unravels and does a whole takes dumb shots. He had dumb fouls that whole game. And then smart took 22 shots. Yeah. Too many told me before the game smarts going to take 22 shots.

I would have been like, well, we're not going to win. No, but what, what was different though? I mean, you did did the heat figure out hayward was there tape on them because i think it was a week ago that hayward was in the lineup and that was the most momentum i think you guys had right when i won that game his first game back and you also were

a different team like you had won nine out of ten first halves. You had the lead in the first half, and it was just a matter of, like I thought, maybe just energy or something, but you were blowing it down the stretch. The last three games weren't like that at all. You didn't have the lead. You had to fight for it. You were, in fact, losing at half a couple of those games

and didn't have enough in the gas tank at the end. Yeah, the dirty secret of the first five games is Miami didn't shoot well, and they were up 3-2. And I was saying this after Friday night. My dad and I were looking at the end. Yeah, the dirty secret of the first five games is Miami didn't shoot well, and they were up 3-2. And I was saying this after Friday night. My dad and I were looking at the stats, because my dad was here this weekend. And you look at the stats, you're like, how are we losing this series? You know, not only are we outscoring

them, obviously, but Miami's not even shooting well. You get on the line, it's like, well, none of their guys are really playing at a higher level than they normally play. If anything, they were a little bit lower. But that's what makes them great. They could steal quarters and they could steal stretches.

They could really ratchet up the defense. I think they're a really good team. I don't feel any shame losing to them. They say, I'll kick myself over game one and game two for the rest of the summer. But the summer's over, so I guess I don't have to kick myself over game one and game two for the rest of the summer, but the summer's over. So I guess I don't have to kick myself. Yeah. But, uh, but I think they're going to be a really tough matchup for, for the Lakers and let's do this, the lines, and then we'll talk about it. Okay. Good. Uh, well, I guessed, uh, on Twitter, I put it out there. I thought the Lakers would be, I was really impressed with Miami. I thought the Lakers would be minus 270 to win the series. What did you think? So I jacked that up to minus 320 for two reasons. The Lakers are about as public of a team as you can get,

especially coming off of LeBron. I was one of the best games he's ever played in game five. He is as locked in. There's been times people are like, that's the best. Now he's over the years has had stretches or games where he's looked as good as he did in that game, but he was so locked in on both ends. I really loved the defense. He was playing, especially in game five. Like he was just, I, you get this feeling like he can smell it. So I'm bumping my guess up on that. I said Lakers minus 320.

That was smart. And Fandel, our friends at Fandel, have it all the way at minus 370 for the Lakers. So what are the heat? So the heat are plus 290. And that game one, which is what, Wednesday, is Lakers minus 5, 217 and a half. Yeah.

It might just be one of those things where LeBron imposes his will, but you and I like to do and house and it doesn't seem to materialize, but we like to do. Okay. Lakers have the top two players from three to six. How many Lakers are there for the matchups? What would you say for this one? Did they get,

did they get anyone in that three to six matchup? No. Bam's the third best player in the series. Butler's fourth. And, I mean, honestly, the Heat might have 3-7. Right. Because I would put Drogic ahead of the third best Laker. I'd probably put Hero ahead of the third best Laker. And then after that, it's all role players.

You know, but the best thing they have going for them in this series is this zone they've figured out. And it's not just that it discombobulates teams. It certainly ruined the Celtics in a bunch of different ways.

But it allows them to hide their worst defenders. You know, they can stick here on Robinson. In a normal defense situation, Celtics would have just hunted Robinson constantly. But when he was out there, the heater hiding in there, put him in the quarters and it's

going to be the same thing with the Lakers. Like if you watch what LeBron was doing last night, they're just kind of, it's like pick and roll. Who, who am I putting in the torture chamber? Once I get my, the switch I want, he can't really do it in the zone. So I think that the zone is going to help them be able to defend Davis and LeBron, but what it's going to hurt them with is the,

uh, the rebounding. And also LeBron's the smartest person who could ever pick apart that zone. Yeah. So they have the key guy for this final series is Davis. Yeah. That, that ankle gets worse,

I was just going to say, I don't know that LeBron... I don't know. Has he taken lesser teams than it seemed like the Lakers would be without Anthony Davis to a championship? I think this would be the big... When you have the Davis card,

as long as he's like 90% healthy, he's never had a teammate like that other than Wade in 2011. I think Miami has all these dudes to throw at him and they can throw the zone at him too, right? So they could throw Crowder at him. They could throw Butler. They could throw Iguodala.

They can even throw Bam at him if Davis is out of the game. So this is the first series LeBron's actually had real defensive players against them because it's bubble basketball, whatever. I'm not making excuses, but they played a Portland team that especially once the Lord got hurt, but that team was terrible defensively even before they got to the playoffs

Houston, they solved in two games. Right. And then Denver, not only, um, wasn't a very good defensive team, especially against them, but was so deferential to them. Yeah. I was,

if I was Mike Malone, I would have just cut a YouTube clip of the 10 minutes of Howard roughing up Jokic and LeBron

just doing whatever he wants and sneering at the bench and be like, do you guys give a shit that these guys are tougher than you and stealing your lunch? That's not going to happen against Miami. He's not going to be able to do any of that stuff.

They're not going to be deferential to him. They're going to go at him. They're going to compete with him. They're going to hard foul him. They're going to talk shit to him. And it's all stuff that he hasn't had to deal with yet. Not that he's going to not solve it,

but at least this will be a competitive series, right? I think so. And I think if Miami wins or they, they all of a sudden have two wins or three wins, we'll, we'll hear the comparisons of the Pistons against that Lakers free agent patchwork team of a hundred percent.

Yeah. I think that'll be a, I was saying that a month ago. I, the difference is their top two guys are playing much better than those 0-4 Shaq and Kobe were playing. Kobe was just an abomination in that 0-4 finals. And Shaq was the tail end of his prime.

Yeah, Malone and Payton. The way LeBron is playing right now, he's playing way better than either of those guys are playing. But I also think their supporting cast is probably just as bad. You know, one thing with Miami, you can be at, like, the Celts were up six on them today a couple times, right?

And they're up 96-90, timeout, feeling great. And then Miami, you know, they can hit three threes in a row and you're down three and you're like, what the fuck just happened? Right. I was up six a minute ago. And now I have no momentum anymore.

So I just think they're a better team than anyone the Lakers played. I thought they were the second best team in the bubble, and they showed it. Okay, good. Let's talk football. That's it? Yeah, that's enough. I don't know. I don't know. What do you want to say? Spolster kicked Brad Stevens' ass. I'll leave it on that.

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was Saints-Packers. I did watch the last quarter and a half. What did you see from this game, from the entirety of the game? Did you learn anything? I learned that my fantasy team is not going to lose as I kicked your ass. I was down 53 points heading in with Kamara

and Aaron Rodgers, and I beat you. But what else did I learn? Hold on. Kicked my ass is a little strong. I had like 142 points that I lost. I'm not losing this league. I'm not losing. Okay.

I think Aaron Rodgers, he's more special than he ever was in that these neutral site games are a huge advantage i mean i think like a one and a half point advantage at least on the spread i mean his hard counts that draw everybody off size because there's no crowd noise i mean imagine right now when you're in the Superdome or whatever, all right, throw travel aside. If they're not exhausted from traveling, Green Bay is just the better team. Rogers runs the better offense. Maybe he doesn't have the receivers, but he's like, all right, I have Aaron Jones now. That's the best running back I've ever played with. I'll make the receivers around me better. I'll do that. I'll Tom Brady those guys, and that'll be fun. And then we have the defensive players, Adarius Smith,

who's like, he's right up there. He's like better than Khalil Mack all of a sudden. Like, I don't, he has like 16 sacks since the beginning of the last season. He caused a fumble. And add to that, it takes the Saints just forever to get downfield because Breeze is throwing five-yard flares to Kamara the whole game. Packers are damn good. A lot of Packer haters out there.

It's going to be a long season for them if you're betting against the Packers all year because they're good. I put them right up with the Ravens and Chiefs and teams like that that can win like 13 games. Really good. They spent that first-round pick on the quarterback. Yeah.

And everybody's like, what are you guys doing? Why don't you get Rogers some help? They actually spent the pick for the, to buy a chip for Roger's shoulder. You're right. It's like, all right, now we have a backup.

We have a future hair, air apparent at some point. Yeah. But short term Rogers is just going to be like Rocky and Rocky four after Apollo dies. And I don't know if it was intentional. Do you think that was intentional or that was an unintended consequence? No,

I think they probably thought he only had a couple of years left, a few years left, and we're going to do it differently. This guy will learn from Rogers for three years. And yeah, if it pisses him off, it'll, it'll work to our advantage because he's going to play great as a

pistol player. And then they got the running back in the second round for him. But that doesn't seem to matter when you have Aaron Jones on the field. So the Saints are 1-2 now. And Breeze put up stats today. They were definitely stats that you could pick apart if you were, especially that long Camara play, stuff like that. But I don't know.

I don't see it with them. And they were a team that a lot of people were throwing in to the Super Bowl. But Breeze has hit that noodle arm point where it just seems like teams kind of know how to do what they need to do against them. They put up 27 today, but that felt like a lot for them.

I mean, new orleans beat tampa bay and now tampa bay has a game lead with new orleans and they're probably going to beat them when they play again uh you know in tampa um i just don't we like to do that thing where all right are there 10 quarterbacks better than this guy i think breeze is like bottom half now i think he's like 18th or 19th right now. We don't have to go through all of them, but they're not a ton of quarterbacks I'd pick him over. We had that game on one of the small TVs

as I was watching the Celtics. And every time I looked over, Breeze was like checking down or throwing like a five or six yarder. I just think that's who he is. By the way, no shame in getting old, you know, because I was going to ask you about who seems more secretly washed, Brady or Breeze?

Because Brady, it's been hidden in these last two games they had because last week they played Carolina, McCaffrey goes out, and he didn't look great in that game. He definitely didn't look great in the first game. The game today, even though they put up points against this Denver team that all of a sudden looks like an own 16 candidate. Right. He was, he missed, I thought a ton of throws.

There was one drive where he missed three touchdown passes before they actually finally got the touchdown, but under through Scotty Miller really badly over through Gronk and Gronk's wide open for like a 25 air touchdown sails it over his head. Mrs. Godwin coming over in front of the uprights for a short touchdown, but he misses throws. He, he still seems uncomfortable to me in the pocket. Like he doesn't want to get hit. So I would say both of those guys just are at a different point of their career. I really feel that way. Yeah. I put Bray if you know, I don't, I'm doing it my head right now. I think Brady's still three or four or five quarterbacks ahead of breeze at this point. I really feel that way. Yeah. I put Bray if, you know, I don't, I'm doing it my head right now. I think Brady's still three or four or five quarterbacks ahead of breeze at this point.

I agree. But all those things you said are correct. He has trouble in the court, in the pocket. He's getting caught from behind scrambling a little bit. Um, I don't know. It is weird. You look at these lines, Mike Evans, two catches, two touchdowns. Like is that his go-to guy? I guess he found Gronk a little more today, a little more than nothing. Um, but yeah, let,

let's, I want to see them play a good team again. I know you do too. Well, my hottest take of all time is that Jameis could potentially be three and oh, with the team they have, if they've done all the stuff they did this year,

their defense is good. Yeah. Yeah. I think their defense makes plays, you know, and they can get, they can get pressure. They're feisty.

It's one of those teams when they're on defense and a play happens, everyone on the sidelines going nuts. Yeah. And they have playmakers. And I actually think Gronk looked good today. Let me tell you something. That was by far the best he's looked this season. For sure. Jameis could potentially be 3-0 with the Saints.

They flipped that. That could happen soon also. Yeah. I don't know. I thought one of those teams would go. I know I, I, I frantically texted you in house this morning. I'm like, and all week I was like, it's just going to be Bill and Tom. I want to root against them all year, but damn it. That's a good Moneyline parlay. Belichick's not going to lose. Brady's not going to lose this Denver team that can't't materialize, like any offense at all. And then I woke up this morning. I'm like, now all these Moneyline favorites won last week. I had an epiphany.

There's going to be dogs all over the place. It's going to be insane. I texted you guys all my picks, and I think I went one, six, and one in those early games. It's pretty grisly. Cincinnati, disgusting. Minnesota, disgusting. Who else lost for me? The Rams was the worst one.

Oh, the Rams was terrible. We're going to get to some of those in a second. The one thing, House does this podcast with Warren Sharpe, and Warren Sharpe was making fun of him about having the anchor. Because me and House do the same thing where we have the one team and like eight bets.

So House got screwed with the Colts in week one. And Sharpe's like, that's the worst thing you do. You want to diversify. So this week I had the cards initially tied with, I had them a million dollar picks my tees, but I also had them in a couple picks as well. But for the first time I was like,

you know what? I'm going to diversify. And I diversified with the bucks as the other team. So I did a, I had a bucks Raiders tees. I left the Cardinals out of that. So I ended up, I, it was, it was half as bad as the cards collateral. So I did a, I had a Bucks Raiders tease. I left the Cardinals out of that. So I ended up, I,

it was, it was half as bad as the Cards collateral damage would have been because of the diversifying thing. So now what I realized is the anchor system is actually really dumb.

And one of the, one of the many reasons I'm bad at gambling. Right. We're bad. I mean, that's a, yeah,

that's a secret. I was like, wow, Bucks Raiders teaser, huh? You're going against... No, not Bucs Raiders. Oh, Bucs Pats.

Bucs Patriots, yes. Yeah, that seemed easy, and that's probably the only thing we should have done. Why the hell wouldn't we do that? But that was a typical Belichick. I don't know if you want to talk about that game, but that was just a classic SmackDown Belichick game, right? Raiders, short week, going cross-country,

celebrating a big Monday night win. Angry Belichick off a loss, and then just dumped down to all. Any running back you can lay your hand on. Burkhead scored three times. A little cheating along the way, that fumble by Jacobs. Yeah, it was a little fishy.

It had all the elements of a Belichick game. And yeah, they're right back in it. They killed the Raiders on any kind of teaser. They had a three-headed running back thing going on with this undrafted rookie, Taylor. Yeah. Little guy who my dad loved, who my dad, and I put a couple of the videos on Instagram before the game. My dad was like, they got to give Taylor a chance.

I'm like, what are you talking about, Taylor? The little guy? He's like, yeah, I'm telling you. And he really gave him a spark. And then all of a sudden, Sony, I think, realized he was going to get waived if he didn't pick it up. Yeah, no kidding.

Burkhead was awesome. And it's just a classic Belichick team. Yeah, for sure. One guy made a play today, and I didn't know who it was. And I feel like I follow my team as well as probably, you know, in the top 99 percentile. And there was some wide receiver that came in. And I was just like, when did we?

My dad was like, no, that's a practice squad guy. I'm like, all right. Didn't study the practice squad. I rarely disagree with Romo because if you do, you don't know what you're talking about the way it usually goes. But when they're up 23-10 and the Raiders had 11 minutes left

and I think they were at like, I think it was like fourth and four from the 17. And Romo's like, I kicked the field goal here. If there's seven minutes left, it's different. But there's 11 minutes left.

So kick the field goal, go down 23-13. And they did kick the field goal. I was like, damn, you just, this is still the Patriots. I know it's not Tom Brady's Patriots offense, but they're not done scoring. They're not done moving the ball. Yeah, there are 11 minutes left.

That's why, it's exactly why you have to go for it there because they're going to score at least once more. And if the defense doesn't score, you know, so I don't know. I think when you look at that, I wonder if people are more worried about Brady's offense holding a lead than Cam's. And I don't see much of a difference right now.

Cam was pretty bad for the first hour. And then all of a sudden, he was fine. Yeah. It was the first, like, kind of rocky stretch we had with him where he made a couple of dumb passes, stuff like that. I got to say, I never wavered. I was in. I was like, kill it.

It was like my dad and I were going back in front of him. He's got it. It's fine. Yeah, why not? Cam, he's looking good. Like, because the ball was coming out. He was just, like, a little inaccurate, stuff like that. It's also Derek Carr.

He's not going to light you up for three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Romo was doing that thing where he clearly, Jason Witten had given him a lot of, a lot of, given a lot of Raiders love, telling him how great the culture was and stuff.

Romo's just parroting Jason Witten. Meanwhile, Jason Witten's like barely playing. We had something significant happen today. We did? Yeah. It was the Trubisky Truthers. They were living in a warehouse in Delaware. That was the main headquarters.

And they just cleared out. There's nothing left. I zoomed with them almost every week. I know. I was one of them. It's over. So final record for Mitch. He was 25 and 18 as a starter with

games. He actually finished his own one in the playoffs. And to my knowledge became the first quarterback ever to get benched for a team that became 3-0. Yeah, probably. That could not have ever happened before.

And it's weird, though. You're going to kill me for this because the result shows that they did the right thing, but I thought it was a little premature. I know it was 26-10. What were his numbers? Were they that bad? They were... I still have them here.

He had a bad pick. That's what it seemed. All right. So he was 13 for 22, 128 yards with a touchdown. He had a pick. He had a pick. He had a run. He had a 45-yard run. And more than that, I would be like, hey, coach, give me a chance.

This is where the Falcons blow it all the time. Just let me stay in. Anybody could win from here. I'm just making it interesting. And sure enough, Nick Foles went in there, 16 for 29, 188, three touchdowns. Big kick back. Oh, my God. Those Falcons.

Dan Quinn, I don't know what you're doing tomorrow, but do they have a movie anymore? I'm not sure how it's going out there. That's rough for him. He'll be on the ticker, it feels like, tomorrow. Yeah. Those two losses together, the odds were better that the entire team got hit by lightning or something

than blowing both of those games combined. Here's what I think the Bears coach... Here's what I think his thought process was. He knew Atlanta was probably going to blow the game no matter who the quarterback was. And he was like... He wants to start full. Yeah.

If Mitch comes back from this, I'll never be able to get rid of him. This will be his second come from behind win in three weeks. And now I'm stuck with him at least until Thanksgiving. So I'm... But if Foles can get this against this crap Atlanta team. Now that's it. There's no looking back. Mitch, go

sit in the sidelines. But Foles was good. I mean, even... What did he have? Three touchdowns. But then there was that other touchdown that Allen Robinson caught. And then it got challenged and overturned. And it turned out to be an interception. But really, he threw four touchdowns. Yeah.

Now, they're not bad, the Bears. I really don't think. Like, there are full of shit teams that you're just like, we look at them at 3-0 or 2-1. I'm like, all right, that's going to be 6-8 after 12, 14 weeks. But some of these teams can propel their bullshit to a nice little record, and you don't need to be super good to make the playoffs, right? Like, nine wins could get you

in the playoffs. Bears already have a third of the way there. They could be the team. Do you know how many 3-0 teams are alive right now, without looking? 3-0? Six? You looked. I felt like you were looking at that.

No, was it six? Yeah, you looked. Yeah. Bills, Steelers, Titans, Bears, Packers, Seahawks, and then one of Chiefs, Ravens, unless there's a tie. So I would say out of those six 3-0 teams, the Bears are the flimsiest. Titans probably a close second.

Right. Titans are 3-0 and 0-3 against the spread which I think would be unbelievable if that could continue somehow right yeah for sure has anyone ever gone like 6-0 and 0-6 against the spread I don't know like what the record is

we should look at that I don't think it's been that far yeah the one thing I'll say about them is AJ Brown hasn't been in the lineup so Tannehill will probably be better. He didn't do anything really today. 23 for 37, and over 300 yards and a pick. A couple of bad plays by him in that game, though. He looked a little Miami Tannehill-ish a couple of times.

Yeah, for sure. But Minnesota is Atlanta light at this point. I mean, that's going to be... Wait, do they play each other? We'll get to it. I think they play each other. No. Who do they play?

I don't know. They should play each other. Oh, they play Houston. Oh, one of those teams is going to be on. Oh, all three of those teams are the same team. Yeah, that's right. It's the same kind of thing. I kind of think you must be, as a Patriots fan,

kind of sick of all the Bills praise, and America's team, and this team team is great and Josh Allen's MVP. Also, can we forget about the MVP for just a minute? I have friends that every 10 minutes change their mind about the MVP. It's Josh Allen. It's Russell Wilson. It's Lamar. It's Mahomes.

It's Aaron Rodgers. I get a different one. Let's just wait a little bit. Whoever wins the game tomorrow night is probably going to be the frontrunner, and then you've got to stay healthy. We have to talk about this every four minutes? It was relevant last week because of the Russell Wilson conversation

and Collinsworth's MVP vote story and all that stuff. This week, it's not relevant. It's fucking week three. We have 14 weeks left. We can take a break. Let's try to not figure out who the MVP is. Yeah, and no one's talking about Josh Allen if that ticky-tack pass interference call at the end

doesn't get called. I'm not going to complain about any pass interference against the Rams because they're owed about 50 of them for making the Super Bowl with one, and they changed the rule and everything. But that's one of the ones I hate, where it's an uncatchable ball. He's throwing the ball away.

There's a little contact, and they call it, and they keep it going. The Bills won. It was awful. It was, I mean, so it was a terrible call, and I think if they had had the pass interference review thing, I would have been interested to see if it was overturned. But they lost this game on third down because

Allen had that weird play when he face-masked the dude, which I don't think I've ever seen. He was about to get sacked, got out of the sack with a face mask. Yeah. And they actually called it. Never called on the offense. So then it was like what was there?

20 seconds left and it was like third and 25? He had a third and 22 and a third and 19 and converted both. So it was a third and 22. Yeah. But it's third and 22 at the end zone. So there's only 32 yards of territory. Right. Right. And somehow they get, they, they get 13 yards on the third down and now it's like fourth and fourth and goal from the nine basically. But I don't understand how they got 13. The middle of the field was wide open on that play.

What are they doing? They blew it. They have like nine defensive backs. They blew it. The Rams. I don't know about these guys. I don't know. Jalen Ramsey.

Like he just, some of these guys just take games off. Just very strange to me. The high price, the free agents. But yeah, that was so that team was a 28 to three lead that they blew shades of Falcons. That's right. I mean, the high price to have free agents. Yeah, that must have been an awful... What was the 28-3 lead that they blew?

Shades of Falcons. That's right. 28-3. And if they blow that game, everybody's like, Bills, frauds. Right. Josh Allen, fraud. Exactly.

Yeah. And then they have this... Not MVP talk. Yeah. They get kept alive by this ridiculous pass interference penalty. Now it's like, Bills, 3-0. Yeah.

Rams choked. They're at the Raiders, at the Titans, and at KC. So maybe they calmed down a little bit. Maybe there's a chance. I will say, in defense of the Bills, they do seem more explosive this year. Sure. Singletary was hurt most of last year.

I had him on my fantasy team. He was playing hurt and all that stuff. He looked great today. Yeah. And the Diggs thing, it's a real guy. Sure. I think they're probably one of the teams

that no home field advantage hurts them. Wouldn't you think? Because if they actually had a good team for eight Buffalo home games, I think they would have been pretty unstoppable there. They can't hear the echoes of their fans smashing their heads against the tables in the parking lot.

It must feel foreign to them to not have to deal with that. I think the Rams are good. I know they blew that game, but I think that team is really talented on both ends. And their pass rush on that last drive. Amazing. They were all over him.

And I can't believe the Bills were even able to move down the field on him. And then they have playmakers on the other end. I like their team. Their running backs are good too. There's not a bigger lock for an individual award right now, barring injury, than Aaron Donald for Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah, he's so much better than everybody. So much on every play.

He has an impact and makes the quarterback change his mind. Now, if the quarterback's able to adjust, which Allen was today, then they're going to put up points. But phenomenal. Every drive. I don't think that will be the Super Bowl, but I wouldn't be shocked if that was the Super Bowl. Which one?

Rams-Bills, you said? I'm just saying. I wouldn't need smelling salts to wake up if that was our Super Bowl I do feel like those are playoff teams that could win a round or two it'll be something stupid for sure Dan Quinn you mentioned

Philly we did not really talk about wow it was almost worse than losing We didn't talk about my team either I have them after the break The Philly thing Can we take the break now so we can get through it No I got it

Would you rather be 0-3 Or 0-2-1 Where you lost the Bengals game Because you were like, fuck it. We're going to try this 64-yard field goal. We don't want to. And then you don't get it. And then they said Burrow makes a play

and then all of a sudden you lose. Or would you rather just punt and completely roll over and be like, we're good. We're taking this tie with the Bengals. I feel like that was worse. How about this? How much confidence are you placing in Wentz or anybody? Just go for it. You're Hail Maryary against ours it's 14 seconds left we're gonna throw one up and then you throw

one up and let's make this fun you know and it will probably end the tie anyway but uh let's see what happens yeah that was a wuss bag move i thought for sure um i know the did you did you watch that last drive i did i was i had the Bengals. I had all these Moneyline underdogs. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Yeah. The Eagles, I think, had it on like the 39 first down with like two minutes left. Or maybe a minute and a half, something like that.

And maybe it was less. Maybe it was like a minute 15. I don't remember. But they started playing for the field goal like they were on Cincinnati's 10-yard line. They ran. They're like setting the ball up on the hash marks. It's like, what are you guys doing?

Yeah, right. Then it ends up being third down. They have no timeouts left, so they have to throw. They don't get it. And then the kicker comes out. It's like, cool. I guess I'll have to make this 59-yarder.

Yeah, right. You guys couldn't have gotten me any closer. They had to delay a game. Now it's a 64-yarder. He's like, ah, I'm out. Yeah. Right. Couldn't have gotten me any closer. They delay a game. Now it's a 64 yard. He's like, ah, I'm out. I can't,

it's out of my range. Yeah. And then they punt. Hey, it was, well, that was one of the worst sequences I've ever seen. I get the sense that the Eagles would be happy being Oh two and 14.

I get, they could tie every game the rest of the way. Let everyone else figure out if that gets them the division or not. But I just think in general, the coaches are really a conservative. I don't know why I want to see, I want to see like, I think it was opening drive fourth and two,

like Zach Taylor on the 47 yard line. Like make a statement here against the Eagles. Bang. You're not going to, you're not winning 11 games. So let, let Joe borrow free, but now they punted it.

Then the Eagles come down and kick a field goal. Like I hate shit like that. Just, just, you know, these are, I think Taylor was they punted it. Then the Eagles come down, kick a field goal. I hate shit like that. I think Taylor was worried because they couldn't block the Eagles at all. I have so much respect for Burrow. For some reason, I've watched a lot of Bengals. I had the Bengals money line in a bet today. There are people who are very worried for his safety. Very, very concerned.

I was one of them. He got absolutely annihilated on that one hit when he released it and the nose tackle on the Eagles just pointed the shoulder. It seemed like it was four broken ribs. He didn't come out for very long, but yeah, they got to him like seven or eight times. That didn't even count as one

of them. He is so impressive. He's one of the more impressive rookies. You know what would be funny though? If the Eagles finished like nine, six and one or eight, seven and one, and your stupid team's eight and eight, and they ended up winning the NFC East.

Cause they were like, man, remember when we took that tie? Right. Yeah. I told you. I don't. Yeah.

That, that would backfire on the Cowboys, but as it is now, do you see a lot of teams winning seven games in the NFC East? Do you see anyone other than the Cowboys? I guess that's why I took this loss. It wasn't as heartbreaking for me. So I had a small one on the Bengals with Washington.

That's like a long shot parlay. Chase Young got hurt pretty early in that game, within like the first hour. And their defense just wasn't the same after he went out. If he hadn't gotten hurt, I think they could have beaten Cleveland. I think Cleveland was dying to figure out how to give that game away.

Yeah. I mean, Haskins on the other end was throwing the ball. Not sure about him. Well, that's the thing. I think Washington can win eight games if Alex Smith was in there. I really do. I don't have confidence in Haskins right now. Alex Smith was inactive today. I think

their backup is actually, who's the other Allen? The one for Caroline, Kyle Allen, who played for Carolina last. I don't know if that's better, but I don't know. Maybe we see Alex Smith and that team turns around, but I don't see a ton of wins in that NFC East. That's another Jameis team. Yeah, you're right. Jameis, there's like five teams that need Jameis. Jameis, I still believe in you. Haskins, I have not been impressed with. No.

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Forgot to mention when we were talking about Josh Allen. MVP. All right. So he's down. He's got to score a touchdown because of the score. And he's got to go against this Rams defense.

Did you believe in him the entire drive? Did you believe in him certain moments going against him? If you had the Rams, were you scared of him? I pride myself in having opinions on things or forming opinions. I have not formed an opinion yet on Josh Allen. I still don't know if I think he's good or if he's terrible. I can't decide.

Yeah, that's okay. I think that's fine. Yeah, and even when he converted, like we said, he had two third and longs, right? Third and 22. And he needed the fourth down play to convert both of these. But even after he converted

third and 22, I still felt good with the Rams with less than 10 seconds left outside the 20-yard line or right around the 20-yard line. But I'm with you. I'm up the jury.

He's definitely talented, but I don't trust him at all. I certainly thought it was just as likely he was going to lose the game as it was. I wonder if that will ever go away. All right, you're stupid, team. Jeez.

So, not only did you not win, but somehow you managed not to cover, which I'm still trying to figure out how that happened. The Seattle's down one, going for the game-winning field goal, and then Dallas is like, hey, what if you just score eight points here and you win and you cover? I don't think they said that.

That'd be great. You think that conversation went on? I don't think that conversation went on. I think telepathically it did. Really? Do you like your team? I don't know. Again, it's the blackjack dealer is holding a six and I have a four,

so I don't have to worry about the rest of the NFC East right now. No, I don't like this team. I like, you know, play Cleveland next week. I'm like, we could lose that game easily. Dak puts up numbers that are very misleading at 470 yards. The one thing I liked about that last drive, I mean, we could talk about the whole game, but that last drive, they had plenty of time.

It's almost impossible that they basically ran out of time. I know we threw a pick in the end zone, but they basically ran out of time with three timeouts. I think they had like 14 plays. They averaged like four yards a play. Elliott had 14 targets. He had had 12 like he had like 24 yards receiving it was terrible there was bad field awareness they were just throwing four yard crossing routes and for dac prescott and the crazy thing is they have like four receivers now that

could stretch the field no one knew cedric wilson was before today obviously you have cooper you have gallup who finally uh put a good game together and you have CD lamb, but they're throwing like four yard crossing routes to Schultz and, and Zeke. And it's just killing, sucking time away. And then you take a sack and, and you know,

you're, you're dead to rights. Like I was so happy. Mike McCarthy. I was like, okay, finally something good about this guy. We have three timeouts.

We didn't call a dumb timeout one minute into the third quarter to avoid a false start at midfield. Nothing like that. Had all these timeouts and still ran out of time. And in a lot of ways, it's just the same team. It really is just the same team year after year. What was that play in the fourth quarter when Dak

the tight end 86 was flared out and Dak, instead of hitting him, just sailed it over his head. And Aikman was like, ugh. Aikman audibly groaned. But it was a big moment.

I think he had to punt after that. I can't remember what series it was. But Dak, I'm just never going to be 100% in on. He's never locked in like the Roger. He'll just never be at that Rodgers-Wilson level. It's so funny you say Rodgers. And I look at him, I'm like, why can't he run like old man Rodgers? Why can't he just take off like that?

That should happen more times. Doesn't seem like he wants to. By design or not, yeah, it doesn't seem like a lot of these guys want to. And that's fine. But don't throw three-yard crossing routes when we need to score a touchdown. Your receivers are so good. Isn't it crazy? You have four receivers

who are way better than anyone on the Patriots. Way better. Cedric Wilson would be our number one receiver. He'd be like a hero in New England. We'd be so excited to have him. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. Your defense stinks. Really bad. Every year.

Wilson, I didn't even really feel played that well the first half of the game and then ended up with five TDs and would have had six if it wasn't for that stupid mecca play he would have six touchdown passes that great that was nuts and what does he have 14 is it how many does he have through five there's 14 or 15 through through three games I'll say 14 or 15 i don't want to take a kevin clark wrote something interesting um he works at the ringer by the way i don't know if you know this but i'm aware of his you know yeah he uh and this doesn't take anything away from russell wilson but he said something to the effect i'm not going to articulate it uh like he did but

seattle has to be the rest of the seahawks have to be the way they are for Russell Wilson to be great, you know? Like, it's very strange that they put him in these positions to have to make big throws down the stretch, and he almost always does, but you kind of have to get lucky to be that kind of team. It's like Mariano Rivera, like you might have the best, you might not have the

best relief pitcher but because your team is only leading by one or two runs every night in the ninth inning he's going to go out there and get like 45 saves where Fernando might have that right yeah so there you go that's kind of I think what's going on so he's he's flexing his muscles he's like all right thanks for this I'll just you, if I have to throw every fourth quarter to win a shootout, I'll do it. And he's getting praise along the way. They had no pass rush and a pretty poor secondary. Yeah.

And Jamal Adams being out, I don't know how long he's out. He was limping on the sideline, didn't play. That just makes it a lot worse. Yeah, it's like a shootout Seahawks team this year. I like it. Your team, I think your team's going to be fine. You have too much,

too many weapons on offense. It's too hard to play. As the season goes along, it's when D-backs start getting hurt, teams, whatever. You guys, I'm not writing you off yet. Thank you. Winless teams.

Mm-hmm. You know how many we have? I'm not going to look. I'll say five. So we have six, and actually we have eight because the Eagles and Bengals are technically winless. Oh, interesting. Jets, Giants, Texans, Broncos, Vikings, Falcons.

Mm-hmm. Most likely to make the playoffs out of those six, I guess would be the Texans. Oh, the Texans. You have a 3-0 team and a 2-1 team in the AFC South, right? So the Falcons,

they fire Dan Quinn and then go on a run? You have two 2-1 teams in first place there. Actually, I would vote for none of those teams making the playoffs. It's probably none of them. And the Vikings don't get a lot better for them either, right? No.

I don't get it. I don't get it with a lot of those teams. Cousins had a weird look on his face at the end of the game that I didn't like. What did he have? You didn't like it? I just didn't like the look on his face. He was kind of like, all right. Oh, three.

Cool. Back to my own personal bubble. You like that? Well, he's got that Jefferson guy now. Like nine catches for about 175 yards. That's, that's, that's not Stephon Diggs. He can't, you know, he can't turn that around. I don't know. He seems to have a great offense.

Cook looked really good in that game, too. They're so banged up defensively, they can't stop it. Yeah, they played with two backup cornerbacks. It wasn't good. All right, so I'm going to read you these eight teams again. Jets, Giants, Texans, Broncos, Vikings, Falcons, Eagles, Bengals. Which fan base

of those eight teams, which is the most bummed out fan base? Um, I, oh man, I think Atlanta, we went over it last week. We went over everything attached to Atlanta, everything bad. But, um, this is a, this is a special kind of misery there. And right where, uh, you can't take your eyes off the screen if they're up 16 points. And they still haven't played the good teams that they're just going to get slaughtered by.

So, I don't know. I think until they get rid of that coach, this is how it's going to be. Yeah. So, I was going to say, my answer is the Jets. I think here's the case why it's not Atlanta. Because at least they have a move. They can fire the coach. Right.

And then they can do the whole, you know, we probably should have done that sooner. Just seeing them on the sidelines. It's this memory of

the most colossal collapse in football history. Now we have a fresh start. Now it's like something bad happening followed by Matt Ryan seeing me bummed out. then the cut to Dan Quinn. We're out of that vicious cycle.

We could start anew. If you're a Jets fan, you're just like, COVID could end this season right now. Right. The COVID outbreak is the only way you win this season. Otherwise, it's a complete shit show. I guess you could look forward to your terrible coach getting fired. But you have this Sam Darnold thing where you actually a little hope and he's regressed. You have no weapons. You should be tanking for Trevor Lawrence, but who the hell would

trust the ownership slash front office to even do that correctly. Yeah. And, uh, I can't think of one good thing about being a jetsets fan. Fantasy texted me today. Frank Gore had 17 carries. He's like 37. Wow. There's no young guy that can just trot out, at least give a whirl, be like, hey, let's try this undrafted guy. It's like, what is Frank Gore doing for the Jets at this point?

Amazing. Yeah, you're right. I'm so confused. Yeah. I mean, they had a guy that they traded, Jamal Adams, obviously. CJ Mosley opted out. Yeah, you're right. I'm so confused. Yeah. I mean, they had a guy that they traded, Jamal Adams, obviously. CJ Mosley opted out. I believe now everything everyone's saying that Gase and Darnold can't coexist.

That's like, no, no, they have to get divorced. No, as soon as they get divorced, they'll each lose 30 pounds and they'll get a tan and everything will start to, everything will work out, you know? But for now, they just can't coexist. And so I think Jets fans, you might be right in that the ones that are holding out hope for Darnold need to see him with another coach. And that's not going to happen anytime soon. The Le'Veon Bell stuff is a disaster. But the Giants are much better. I mean, when are you going to see a healthy Barkley?

He's the cornerstone of their lineup. I mean, I don't know who's worse between the two of them right now. They got their asses kicked. That one's tough because the Saquon thing is so depressing too. I don't know. For some reason,

the Jets feel, at least the Giants won Super Bowls this century. I guess. The 49ers had 40% of their salary cap on the field today. 40%.

And that was never close. I asked my friend, Jim Grady, if Gase is the worst Jets coach ever, which is really, really high praise because there's been some bad Jets coaches. I think the difference with him, he doesn't have a single positive quality. Like Rich Cotite was terrible,

but he was kind of funny. There was unintentional comedy with him. You could do imitations of him. We were talking about Joe Walton. Joe Walton used to pick his nose. We used to get like, I'm just enjoying it. They would cut to the sidelines. He'd be two knuckles deep, digging one out. But he at least had that Gastineau

Gastineau-Cleco team that did the competitive a little bit for a minute. Yeah, I just, you go down the line, Parcells obviously was really good. The Rex Ryan was fun for two years. Right. My father had season tickets for the Jets for like 15 years.

And we'd go and we'd sit at the very top. And I could only go by people who people hated the most, screamed at the most. I think Koteit was number one right there. Well, there was a really bad outgrow year. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Remember that? I always go by there. Yep. Yeah, that was a really bad outgrow year. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Remember that? I was going by there. Yeah. Yeah, that was tough.

But Gase just, he's a terrible coach. It doesn't seem like anyone likes him. He antagonizes his players. His press conferences are bad. I don't know what he brings to the table. I guess one other thing I had to hit was, I wrote down in my notebook around an hour into the late games, Kyler is my Sunday ticket MVP. He's so much fun to watch. And then 4-15, I wrote, Kyler blew my biggest tease. Kyler sucked today. He had a bad game.

He had three interceptions. Well, that's in everyone's- He should have had four. They dropped one. They did drop one. I was impressed with Stafford. That was like, I think he felt like it was a must-win game. Having Galladay in there is a big difference. And they got their first-round draft pick back, too.

The cornerback. Oh, right. From Ohio State. That was Kuda. Yeah, you're right. They looked like an actual complete team. It was one of those games. I had the cards in a tease. Gallaudet's playing. I'm like, oh, fuck. And then it's like, you know, Kuda's in there and he's making a play early

and like, oh, Jesus. The Lions are pretty good. I actually think they're... I thought they were good the first week. They should have beaten the Bears. Yeah. They were banged up last week, but I regretted teasing themted teasing against them pretty quickly. And Stafford, you're right. Can move the ball. They had the ball.

It was a tie game, and they put together an awesome drive down the field. And it was like a lot of easy 8, 9, 10-yard plays. They don't really have a running game, and I'm not sure it matters for them. And Hawkinson, I think, is a real problem in the red

zone. He's really good. If people would believe me how fucking good the Packers are, you would just cross off that Lions-Packers game and just be like, alright, a lot of teams are going to lose to the Packers by a lot, which means by a ton, and makes the Lions a competitive force, I think.

The Lions are a possible playoff team. I think we have one team in the NFC East. We have I think two in the NFC North and I think Detroit has a better chance than Chicago even though they're two games behind.

Tampa in the NFC South and maybe New Orleans. And then Seattle, Arizona, and the Rams, probably two. Unless Arizona, that was a fluke today, and Kyler just sucked, but it's fixable. I thought we liked three for the West. We didn't like three? I thought we liked three, maybe four.

Here's what worries me about Arizona. Yeah. Their defense, it doesn't seem like their defense can get stops. And I don't know if dudes were hurt out there or what was going on, but it was way too easy for Detroit in that game. And Detroit's good. They're not that good offensively. It was too easy for them to go up and down the field.

Yeah. I didn't think maybe they had to talk about a chip on their shoulder. I think like all of a sudden they're a six-point favorite. They're at home. Maybe they kind of took a few things shoulder. I think all of a sudden they're a six-point favorite. They're at home. Maybe they kind of took a few things for granted against the hungry Lions team, but we'll know better next week. Yeah.

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could say with a straight face, why are we trying to win anything? We should be trying to go 0-16 and tanking for Trevor Lawrence. Right. Broncos at the Jets. This is rough. Driscoll

not confident. Have you written off that bet? You had the Broncos over you. No, no, no, no, no. We got the thin air. Teams have to go. Yeah, no, I wrote it off. I have the Broncos favored by two and a half over the Jets. Oh, so you talk about cheaters.

I said three and it is two and a half. Exactly. And this is the last bad Thursday night game. Fox picks up coverage week five, even though Aikman and Buck call these games. I don't understand, but it's not technically a Fox game, but

yeah, garbage. I don't know. I'm not sure technically a Fox game. But yeah, garbage. I don't know. I'm not sure how you bet this. This is our first Loser Leaves Town match. You're right. Because we start cross-offs for, I think we said after week four, we would cross off a team. So there's only 14 teams to cross off this year.

Right. Although maybe we, you know what? We should probably start this week because it's stupid to cross teams off after week 17. The season's already over. So maybe we should start know what, we should probably start this week because it's stupid to cross teams off after week 17. The season's already over. So maybe we should start cross-ups this week. There's two 0-3 matchups. Two 0-3s against each other.

We could start this week. Maybe we'll just, we could start maybe Broncos-Jets. Who's the other 0-3 against 0-3? It's Minnesota and Houston. So maybe those are our two loser-leave. I mean, it's a double-hand event. Oh, for sure. Two loser-leaves town matches.

All right. So whoever loses those, we're crossing those teams off once and for all. You could argue the Jets should be crossed off. Also, whoever wins those is crossed off. And if there's a tie, both crossed off. Sunday's marquee matchup, Chiefs-Patriots. I don't know why they did this to the Chiefs. Chiefs playing the Ravens Monday night,

and then six days later hosting the New England Patriots. I have the Chiefs by four and a half. I went higher. I said six, and it's seven. Full touchdown to your Patriots. When does that happen? That makes no sense. When does that happen? I haven't seen numbers on that.

That doesn't ever happen. A couple things. Yeah. The way their chargers look today should make us a little suspicious of the Chiefs. A little bit. And I think this Ravens game, the line's three and a half,

and you could look at that and go, wow, it's basically a neutral field. You get an extra half point with the Chiefs. This is great. These teams are equal. I don't think they're equal. Maybe they'll be equal eight weeks from now, but I didn't think they blocked well at all last week against the Chargers.

They made the Chargers look like the 85 Bears. And then you watch the Chargers this week and Bridgewater was kind of doing stuff that whatever he wanted. Well, Melvin Ingram's out. Melvin Ingram's on the IR and that's a big cog and they just keep losing. Didn't he get hurt last week though? They keep, yeah,

but he made a good play. I think he made a big play last week. They keep losing guys on defense for sure. But I mean, this is one of those games where you kind of have to root. You personally should root for the Chiefs tomorrow because you don't want a pissed off Kansas City team. They have fans, right? I think they'll get a quarter.

I'm rooting for the Ravens minus three in the first half is what I'm rooting for. Why is that? Is that your pick? Yeah, because the Chiefs start out. Oh, I see. They start out slow. Right, right. I think everybody thinks this game's going to be a shootout.

I just don't think it's going to be a shootout. I think it's going to be a lot more methodical. I think so, too. I think the Ravens hold the ball from them. They keep them from kind of like they try to do what the Chargers did. And the Chiefs have trouble defending the run. Again, this is what happened at the beginning of last year.

And you have a three-headed monster for Baltimore. And they're going to be able to do some damage. I just think the Ravens, at this point in the season, are a better team and better equipped

to win this game. It has nothing to do with what's going to happen in January. Mm-hmm. I would say, as a September team, I like the Ravens. So anyway.

Seven's too much. And then next week, the Chiefs, we're kind of a perfect upset pick in that game. We meeting the Patriots. I know. I know who he is. Good secondary, although it's underachieved so far for what the potential

is. And then the ability to just kind of run the ball and kill some clock yeah keep them off the field that's kind of the blueprint that's what the ravens are going to try to do i can't figure out your patriots either i mean i know they're smart they're a smart team for sure but they definitely stretch the field like when when you're doing uh when you're doing deep balls from uh from cam to edelman against Seattle, maybe it's Seattle, maybe it's the defense that's bad, but you might have the same kind of success with Kansas City. The field goal kicker is going to be a problem at some point

in one of these games. He's not reared his ugly head yet, but I feel like he will. Can you get Kaskowski back after a slow start, 6-for-6 today? After he reamed everybody in the rectum in Week 1 who had the Titans minus three. After he finished finished finished taking the rectums out.

All of a sudden he's fantastic again. So thanks to him. I have four games in the watchables. I have your Cowboys facing

the Browns and Baker Mayfield who did like a 17-set fist pump because he was so excited that they polished off the Washington professional football team. Right. Calm down.

Calm down, Baker Mayfield. And maybe don't be in as many commercials. Why did they do such a bad job picking the people who were in the commercials this year? I think he thinks he's shooting a commercial after every touchdown or field goal or something they show him.

Because, yeah, the reactions are outrageous. It's like they show him and then it's like Kulu and Joel Embiid. It's like, Joel Embiid was at the playoffs six weeks ago. Completely bailed in round one and they got the F out of the bubble. Why am I watching a commercial with him?

Dean Amenzel and John Stamos. And that's it. And what's that one where it's like... It's that Microsoft Home commercial where it's like... I'm gonna go... Let it go. I hate that song. I hate that song.

Yeah, right. I hate that song. I hate that commercial. Oh, my God. That, Idina Menzel, she could go away. There's like five of them that it's been so much sports on, and they're just being flooded. Idina Menzel is killing me.

Just killing me. You get it. It's not a taxidermy, right? It's a taxidermy. I've seen that commercial so many times. I now study the other lady in the commercial who's right. Who? Cause she's good in it.

There's cut, they cut to her and she's kind of like dancing a little bit. Then it goes wrong. Yeah. You'd be a little more alarmed if someone was in your house that you didn't invite and that, you know, singing karaoke,

but she, she handled it. Well, I just, uh, it's too much. I think Adina Menzel should apologize for ruining sports. Stamos, too. A lot of Stamos last two weeks.

Knitting the sweater or whatever the hell he's doing. I had the Cowboys favored by five over the Browns. That's another cheat. Another cheat right there. I said six. It's exactly five. I put it in the Vegas zone. How is that game not in the Vegas? It is right in the Vegas zone. Yeah, this is this will be this will be this will anger

me more than any game if they lose. We can't lose to Baker. There's some personalities I just can't lose to. He's one. Yeah, that'd be tough. That's how I felt with the Celtics staring at a possible loss to the Lakers in the finals. And it was like this would be so terrible to lose to LeBron and the Lakers that it was hanging over my head like an anvil.

Yeah. If Odell makes the one-handed catch against us and, you know, and slams it on the runs out and slams on the star, you're not going to hear from me for a while. I realized something today because they kept talking about watching the Pats game, the Vegas, and Roma kept saying huge play for Vegas. Vegas is kind of,

just means other things to this podcast, to how we talk about football. We had the Vegas zone. You're right. Oh, they hate that in Vegas, all this stuff. I don't like that the Raiders

kind of glommed onto that. And now they're kind of involved with Vegas now. I don't like it. Yeah. It takes too much bang for your buck. Maybe I'd rather call them the Henderson Raiders, you know,

the Nevada Raiders, Nevada Raiders, Nevada Raiders makes more sense. I'm not to earn Vegas. They should have to win a Superbowl to be the Vegas Raiders. Much better. Maybe it's because there's a threat of getting canceled, but I'm so much better at saying the Washington football team

than I am saying Vegas versus Oakland, right? I say Oakland all the time now, but I got the Washington thing. Boom. Got that down, baby. I don't think there's a real fear of being canceled if you mistakenly forget to say Washington by their new name, right?

Who are you challenging right now? No, I'm just saying like, I call my daughter Zoe. Don't try to make sense of it. I call my daughter Zoe Ben and vice versa accidentally like twice a week. It's like, I'm not exactly like throwing a no-hitter every week.

They're going to cancel you too, but publicly. Yeah, they can all fuck off. That's the parent corner? Titans home for the Steelers. Where is this? That's our second watchables. This is like, this could be a shakies game.

This feels like a round one possible Saturday early afternoon. Oh, yeah. This is a two, three and O's though, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. I have the Titans favored by one and a half. Come on. There's no way you get that exactly.

There's no freaking way. I said three. It's exactly one and a half. That's, I don't, I don't like that at all. Why don't I get that exactly? I've been good all year. You did get exactly. Who gets, who picks one and a half for a line?

Have you liked what you've seen from the Steelers this year? They're a weird team. I think they eventually dominate you. I know they came from behind and it looked like the Texans should win. I had every underdog, so I was like, why aren't they winning? But it made sense when you looked at the numbers. They just

dominated them. There you go, Deshaun Watson. They're not ever, ever going to protect them. What did they have? They have four more sacks, the Steelers, against the Texans. And now they're running the ball. They got this McFarlane and Connor. And he's got four or five receivers he can hit at 50 yards each. All of a sudden, he has a nice game.

They have nice numbers. I don't mind them. I really don't. I'm hoping A.J. Brown comes back so we can get a real feel for if the Steelers are good or not. They have nice numbers. I don't mind them. I really don't. I'm hoping AJ Brown comes back so we could get a real feel for if the Steelers are good or not. Yeah. All right. Let's see them actually go against somebody good. Next one is Bucks Chargers. I put the Bucks

in here because I find the Bucks just strangely watchable. No matter who they're playing against. The Brady thing, he's just all over the map, depending on the player, the drive. It's fun to see Godman and Evans and Gronk on the same team. The Ronald Jones for net things. Fun.

I just like watching their offense. Sure. Um, I had the bucks by four over the chargers. Oh, you went low. I said seven and a half. It's seven.

That's a little too much respect for the, uh, the bucks. Well, I think people look at it. It's Brady against Herbert and he's good. He drove them from the one yard line went all the way down there and then they fumbled

but it takes them a while to get some offense going. By the way, in the FanDuel contest the mega contest that we're both in Yeah. Today I had the Bengals plus six and a half Tampa minus five and a half Green Bay plus six and a half Tampa minus five and a half

Green Bay plus four and a half and your fucking Cowboys plus four and a half I could have been four and oh I had ten points yeah ten out of twelve heading into today and I could have gone four and oh and your team decides to give up

a touchdown they didn't decide they decided before the game they decided that they were going to give up a touchdown. They didn't decide. They decided before the game. They decided that they were going to give up that touchdown. You should have reached out to me. I would have told you that was a stay away at best. And I have Ravens minus two and a half tomorrow. That was my double down. It's good.

I think they won. I had the Packers double down. Herbert. He was okay. Yeah. A couple of bad plays. I don't know. I'm not giving him a sign of approval or a sign of the stink, anything.

Need to see more. He's a TBD to me. It seems weird that the better game was the one that he was thrust into 10 seconds before kickoff, right? When his starting quarterback got stabbed yeah exactly yeah there was a stabbing i'm like you're gonna go away you didn't see anything go in yeah where's tyrod he's fine he's just trying to breathe right now uh there was a mistake with the needle yeah and then everyone got on anthony lynn before they knew about this doctor thing

when he's like yeah tyrod tyrod's our starter um when he's healthy like what no her he's like, yeah, Tyrod's our starter when he's healthy. Like, what? No! Herb was like, no, no, no, we'll get sued. We'll get sued for $150 million. We're getting sued anyway. Yeah, right. He's got to come in for at least one game. That was so bad. Like, even Varsity Blues didn't think of that when they were trying to make ways to make the coach evil. Coach Bud

Kilmer, whatever his name was. They didn't think of puncturing the lung of somebody. That's true. Last watchables game. This one's a good one. Raiders are home in Vegas for the Bills. And I also gave the one and a half to this one too.

Raiders one and a half over the Bills. You said Raiders. Okay, that's what I said. And we're both wrong. We're kind of way wrong. Bills two and a half. I like the Raiders. I hope that gets to three. I do too. I mean, this is going to start annoying you if the Bills win this kind a half. I like the Raiders. I hope that gets to three.

I do too. I mean, this is going to start annoying you if the Bills win this kind of game, right? I think the Raiders are pretty good. They had a couple injuries on defense during that Pats game that set them back. It was like a bad luck game for them. I like them.

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I tried to watch as little of that game as possible. Yeah. And then the bears, the bears, now that Trubisky is gone, I don't know. I'm going to kind of miss them. I have the bears favored by two over the Colts. I had the bears favored by three and a half. The Colts are favored by two and a half in Chicago. Doesn't make any sense.

It's in Chicago. Doesn't make any sense. It's in Chicago. Yeah. You might as well call it the bear B a R barely watchables because that's kind of how it's going to be. Even though you have two, two and one teams, one of these teams is going to be three and one. How many sad sideline shots at Trubisky?

Are we going to get treated to during that game? A lot. Yeah. I'll say over, uh, I'll say three and a half. the over-under. I think that's fair. Oh, I was going to say seven. Oh, really? That many? Yeah. Because he has a naturally sad face.

I saw him in the background one or two times today. There's just something kind of tragic about him. The backup cam is an interesting one. I think, think bill you're on to something there we mentioned jamis they don't show enough of him on the sideline you know he's chomping at the bit but i think the trubisky cutaway i think it has to they'll show him once

but then the rest have to be prompted by something like it falls to an interception or something you know um three and a half all right we'll see'll see what Big Dick Nick has in store for us. You know, Saints-Lions, I probably should have put in the watchables. But since neither of them have a winning record, they were relegated here.

They'd have to earn their way out. I have the Saints favored by two and a half in Detroit. And I actually like Detroit in this game if they're healthy. You're going to like them even more. You went light. I said four and it's five.

That's a Vegas zone one right there. Honestly, that's a dumb line. Michael Thomas will probably be back though, right? Yeah, I guess he will be. Is he worth three points? No, not that many. Two? One? One and a half? I think you and I, they're banking on people like us

thinking the Lions are back and then they're going to remind everybody that they're the Lions. Yeah, but here's the thing. If they're getting five points, they're in garbage time touchdown range, even if they're down 10 with two minutes left. Yeah, that's a lot.

That's the wrong line. Honestly, that line should be no less than three. I love it. I love it. Anyone that you get wrong has to be the wrong line. I have to suffer. Do you think the Saints are five points better than the Lions? From what you've seen for the first three weeks?

I don't think that. I think their defense. I see again. Everyone's going to base it off this Packers game, but I think their defense is better. How about the Vegas game when they got their asses kicked last week? That was six days ago. Vegas?

Vegas has a team? Why are you saying Vegas? Nevada. Nevada Raiders. Oh, yeah. You're right. Let's call them the Nevada Raiders. I'm going to do that. I'm really going to try. Nevada Raiders of the Washington professional team. Canceled. So stupid. What's happening? You're done.

You had a nice run. Goodbye. It's the dumbest thing ever. They couldn't have come up with a real nickname. Goodbye. The dumbest thing ever. They couldn't come up with a real nickname? No. This is really what they're going to do? The Washington professional team? So fucking stupid. They could have, but it's a nephew from Dan Snyder. That's all it is.

He's just such a dick. Seahawks are in Miami to play the Dolphins. I have the Seahawks favored by five. Oh, so you're going low on these. I said eight and a half, and it is seven. Oh, they're not screwing around with Russell Wilson anymore. They got to make him a touchdown against these garbage teams.

That's a teaser game. You think they blow that? I think Miami, that's another teaser game you think they blow that I think Miami that's another garbage time TD potential right Seattle no pass rush no secondary Fitz doing shit 10 days off

yep Ravens are at Washington at 7.5 for this one this is gonna knock you out. I had seven and a half for this one. This is going to knock you out here. I had 10. It's 13 and a half. I'm just way off with some of these.

Why are they doing this? They just don't want us teasing anymore? I just think they're like, look, there's just certain teams everybody's betting. All these money line favorites just keep winning. They have to make it somewhat difficult. Everyone's betting Baltimore. Everyone's betting. I mean, all these Moneyline favorites just keep winning, so they have to make it somewhat difficult, right? But everyone's betting Baltimore. Everyone's betting Kansas City. Everyone's betting Seattle. That's why

these are a touchdown or two touchdowns in Baltimore's case. 13 and a half. Who's winning right now between you and me? Alright, 1, 2, 3, 4. I think I have the lead now. 5, 3, 6 to 5. Me. I like this. I'm going to win this one. Cardinals at Carolina.

Carolina, pretty frisky. Yeah. I have the Cardinals by three. You did win that one. I said two. It is four. Which I think is a little bit high. Two gloves is alright. He's alright

I have an announcement got Davis in the backfield got some guys you can throw to for like 50 yards each what's your announcement I know you're at a big zoom with the Trubisky truthers deciding to disband the club I was on a zoom before the Ewing Theory

trying to figure out if Christian McCaffrey was eligible and the answer is yes. Why wouldn't he be? What the fuck has that guy ever won? What does he want? Does he want anything? He won a couple fantasy leagues.

That's about it. Everyone's like, oh, McCaffrey's out. What are the Panthers? It's like, oh, guess what? They won. They were fun.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. Welcome aboard, Christian McCaffrey. Interesting. Member of the Ewing theory. Yeah.

Yeah. One to know without you. Turns out you weren't that valuable. Yeah. Don't worry, Christian McCaffrey. Interesting. Member of the Ewing Theory. Yeah. Yeah. Want to know without you. Turns out you weren't that valuable. Yeah. Don't worry, Christian. When Kylo Murray runs all over your team, you'll be missed

again. You know what we were talking about on the Ewing Theory phone call? Mm-hmm. When the season when Mike Trout gets injured, how glorious that's going to be when the

Angels go like 90 and 62 in all the games he didn't play or whatever. I can't wait for that. How about just this year? Seven-time MVP, Mike Trout. 33 teams made the playoffs and Trout's not in and Bryce Harper's not in. So stupid. And the Red Sox aren't in with their $240 million payroll.

The Rams are home playing the Giants. I actually did go high for this one. I went Rams 12. I said 10. It was 11 and a half. Oh. Six, seven, two.

Now you have the lead. How'd that happen? Seven, six. Any way, any possible way the Giants win this? No. Can I say something to you right now Giants Ravens yeah I don't normally recommend the three team 10 point teases that's what I'm looking at the Colts Jets game was sitting there

for everybody to just tease them with whoever and I might have done it Rams Giants I don't see any conceivable way the Giants come to LA into that fancy, awesome stadium and beat the Rams. It's not happening. It can't.

No. It's not happening. So we have 10 free points with the Rams to apply to two other games. Mm-hmm. It'd be wonderful. The Poopfecta.

Two games. Two really good Poopfecta games. First one, four weeks ago, you wouldn't have expected to see in the poop fact that Texans home for the Vikings. All right. I hit this exactly. So try to match me.

I texted three and a half. Should've said four, two Oh, and threes. Oh man. Maybe take Minnesota here. I don't know. Why do I like the Vikings?

I'm staying away from that one. Yeah, maybe. It might not be bad. That is a mirror image game, though. Mm-hmm. It really is. So think of 0-4. Does the Houston owner say,

what the fuck? We traded all of our first-round picks, and what are we doing? And Hopkins and Bill O'Brien, can you just pack up your stuff? Well, this game doesn't count, but no one's schedule is loaded like Houston's, right? Okay.

I think that's the Ravens. Yeah. Bengals home for the Jaguars. Jaguars, Minshew, who had a lot of momentum after the first two weeks. And then last week, he lost Chark and just looked like a complete,

he just completely fell apart. I don't know what happened to him. So I don't know what to expect from him this week. And then the Bengals, I just love Joe Burrow. I have no idea if he's going to make it through the season, but at least we know they can throw the ball. I have the Bengals by three over the Jaguars.

All right, you deserve this one because I thought about it for a minute and I threw my hands in the air. I'm like, are they really going to make Burrow the favorite? Jacksonville at least has a win. Minshew, more experienced, albeit falling apart. You hit it exactly. It's three.

I think the Bengals are not frisky, but they don't suck. They can at least move the ball. They can make some plays. They seem relatively well coached. They're not like a disaster. Is this similar to Jacksonville, Miami, though? Like where Jacksonville gave three on Thursday night

and everyone's like, oh, yeah, no, Minshew Mania. It's fun. And then they don't deserve to be favored. I don't know. That might be the same thing here. With these neutral field games, maybe it just makes sense to always take the underdog with two shitty teams. Why not take the points? Right.

Sunday night, 49ers-Eagles. This game looked a lot better a month ago. Can I even come back? Oh, yeah. I guess. Wait. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, two, three, eight to seven. Okay.

Go ahead. I had a terrible bad pick here what do you have 49ers by three and a half oh all right we tie it's six six they don't even care who's quarterback jimmy g might come back might not the eagles are now bottom of the barrel club. Wow. What a fall. And they, two years left on their grace period for the title. Just like that. Yeah. Two years or one year? Well, I don't know.

What do you give them? Five? Yeah, five years. How many years ago they win the Super Bowl? You should remember. I can't remember. I don't know. I blocked it.

I don't know. That line's too high. Why are the 49ers favored by that many points over anybody? I don't want to say they showed me something today, but you couldn't dismantle a team worse than they did the Giants today. I guess, but like a non-Giants Jets team? Yeah. I don't know. The Eagles aren't bad. They have a good pass rush.

I don't know. Wentz can make plays occasionally. I wouldn't say they're a bad team. Would you? No, he's another one that's just crumbling in the pocket. They don't seem to be able to protect him.

Lane Johnson's in, but he's hurt or whatever. However they do it. This might have been the perfect game for Mullins. I don't even know if he's going to be in, but over 300 yards.

It doesn't really matter who they put back there at running back. There's just so much pre-snap motion and everything. Screw you up. Monday night, Packers-Falcons. Well, I need this to tie. I need to win this to tie, right? Six, nine, three. Yes.

I'm going to do it. Packers are home. The Falcons may or may not have a new coach. Packers look great tonight. And I'm going to say the Packers by seven points. Damn it. I said seven also. So that means I can't pass you.

It's six and a half. I think they wait until after this game to fire him. Really? Is that hard to fire someone after a Monday night to bring a new coach in? I don't know if you do that. I don't think you can come back from those two games. Oh, no. I know. You can't. You have to go.

It's a handshake. It's a thank you. Keep in touch. No, it's not you. It's us. You do all of it, but you have to go. Those are two of the worst losses in a while. In the last four or five years. And they happen in back-to-back weeks. You have to go. And it's not even the team's

worst loss, which he also was around other than that he should stay yeah good guy small guy all right you win again damn it did you win every week or do we tie one i've won every week oh you're four and oh here's the thing though you beat me in fantasy though oh right right that's more important yeah yeah it was was. I mean, we had I would say the two best teams. I'm not losing that league. The take my ball and go home league.

As I call it. That's what you did. You took your ball. But yeah, I'm not losing. First of all, that's not what happened. I wanted to start that league and you were supposed to be excited about it. I did all the work and then I'm a dick. I am excited about it. Who's the day?

No, I'm the dick. Hench and I are the dicks for joining. Apparently. Is that true? Oh yeah. We get a lot of shit. Your team had Rogers,

Jacobs, Camara, Beckham, Lockett, Claypool did nothing. Yeah. Allie Cox. So you picked up today.

Beautiful. Simone made the difference. Gonzalez and the Eagles. Yeah. Allie Cox, who you picked up today. Beautiful. Simone made the difference. Gonzalez and the Eagles. And I had Kyler, both Browns running backs. Godwin Hopkins, Smith Schuster, Hawkinson, Koo, and the Bucks defense. And I put up 141.5 points and lost. Who killed you?

I know Koo missed a field goal, but he did all alright otherwise, right? Yeah, I had a good week. Everybody was good. Kyler could have been a tiny bit better. I guess he had three picks. In an early, interceptions actually are minus two, I think. I didn't even know until halfway through the game

that I was playing you. I was like, who's Swedish Meatballs? We really... I named my team Grease 2 because I was playing you, I was like, oh, who's Swedish Meatballs? Like, we really... I named my team Grease 2 because I was sick of thinking of anything. And someone brought up Grease 2 in my house. I'm like, all right, that's it. That's the name of my team. But why

Swedish Meatball? Are those your favorite? Because the ringer got bought by a company based in Sweden. Oh, yeah. So I just, I threw some Swedish, wanted to do something Swedish. Does that really, does that burn off deliverables for you by naming it Swedish Meatball?

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My 15-year-old asked me today, and you know how it is with the screens in the morning, Bill. There's eight games. I thought there was ten today, but there's eight in the early morning. So I have to do the eight, channel 702 on DirecTV. I got eight games up on the bigger screen, and that's all we do. And my 15-year-old's like, hey, I'm in the finals of my fantasy baseball league.

I have the pitcher. I think his name is Singer for Kansas City. He's going against the tigers. Can we get that? Yeah. He's like, can we get that screen? Can we put that up? I was like, no fucking way.

We're going to put that up. I would rather give you the keys to my car and say, you drive to San Francisco. Then you get a skirt. One of our screens, you know, precious. Those screen time is like legitimately mad. It's like watching your iPad. Yeah. He's like, I'm down three points. I just want to say I'm like, I'm not

watching a meaningless baseball game. I think the Tigers won like 22 games this year. I can't fit it in there. I'm sorry. I just I can't I'm a doctor. That's not taking any more patients. I just can't do it. So he was bummed at me and he lost his fantasy title and he should have for asking me that

the other thing is my 12 year old roots for the pittsburgh steelers for no reason for no just to be a dick right it's just absolutely to be a dick right and but initially he's also oh man he's so weird he also is obsessed with heinz ketchup and so when he made the connection between heinz ketchup and heinz field he cuts out all these paper things for heinz Ketchup, and we have a Heinz Ketchup factory kind of whole thing in his room. So now he's Big Ben and James Washington,

and he knows all these players. And he's screaming at the television. And then I'm thinking, well, why is his love for Heinz Ketchup any different than the way I became a Cowboys fan? Because my father bought me a jacket when he was on a business trip in Dallas. So I'm just going to let it go. I don't know. But yeah, he's just being a dick.

I can't believe your son asked for a screen. I know, right? That's so bad. Yeah. Just put the game on an iPad. It's a fucking baseball game. First of all, I think he should have to go through my assistant to ask that question. I don't have an assistant, but that seems like something I shouldn't have to deal with face to face.

It's a good reason to get an assistant. Tigers, Royals. Come on. Most anarchomatic last day of the baseball season of all time. Do you know there's eight Wednesday playoff games? I heard. And game one of the finals. Game one of the finals is right.

And the debates are Tuesday. Debates Tuesday. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't. What's the line for Trump-Biden right now? Biden 135.

That was before all the tax stuff. You think the tax stuff made Biden more of a favorite? I don't think so. Actually, it'll be more fodder for the debate, but none of this stuff ever matters, right? Is there a money line for Trump won't leave? No, I haven't seen it. We should look for that.

That'd be interesting. What does that mean, don't leave? Like, eventually he has to leave, right? Just initially won't leave? Does he? Honestly. All right, Bill. Bill Maher does this whole thing about how Trump's not going to leave. And it's kind of like, all right, well,

yeah, what if he just was like, I'm not leaving? I watch Warren. In fact, it's time to leave the White House. And he's like, no, I'm not going. I want him to be wrong about that. But he's had so many people tell him, no, if he loses, they'll bring the US Marshals in and it'll be a big deal. They have to take him out. But again, there also aren't any rules. So it doesn't really matter. My parent corner, my son,

who's, um, he's, he's sneaky sometimes late at night. And we've been trying to get him to stop. Cause now he's like going to be 13. It's like, this is right around the time.

Maybe don't do that. Like who knows? Um, so last night my wife went downstairs cause she forgot her charger. And it was like 15 minutes after we, uh, I'd be like, all right, can I go to bed? And he's playing video games downstairs and he has like a video game curfew. So she goes down and she's like, what's that smell? Oh, no more smells. Yeah. It was, it was a food smell. It's like, what's that smell? Oh, no more smells. Yeah. It was,

it was a food smell. It's like, what's that smell? It smells like meatballs. Cause we had gotten Italian food last night, goes over and he's playing video game. He's got a blanket. He's got a blanket over him. And he's like, what smell? What? She's like, I smell meatballs. So you have any meatballs? He's like, no. So she goes over, pulls up the blanket, knocks over the Diet Coke that he's having at 1230 at night, goes everywhere, and the meatballs with the sauce that he had

hiding under the blanket gets all over the blanket. And he was having a Diet Coke and spaghetti and meatballs and playing NBA 2K with his headset on with some guy who lives in San Francisco. Oh, wow. That was what he had going last night. What a life.

So my wife, all of a sudden, I just heard screaming and, Bubba, you're done. You're done. You're done. Just like, you know, when they get their voice, it's that triple octave high. Right, right, right. And so that game fell apart. Spaghetti and meatballs. The blanket had to be washed.

And there's all these sneak eating things. But he's doing this new thing where he's lying to us about stuff. Is that a new thing? I feel like that was 14 parent corners ago. But it's more brazen now. Because we found out in his class, he was in this art class that he claimed he thought was his choice whether to be in the class or not. But it actually turned out it was a real class

and they emailed us like, hey, Ben hasn't been in the art zoom in a week and a half. And he's like, oh, I didn't realize. I thought it was my choice whether I wanted to be in there or not. And it's like a real class. So he's turning into Tommy Flanagan. What was that John Lovitz character?

Yeah, yeah, I forget. It's like's like yeah i thought the art class was optional uh so he's just a bad liar but now he's old and it's and now now it's like all right is this just how do we shake you out of this well i don't know if there's an intern who could check but i think he's been he's been the subject of 18 parent corners in a row i feel like i try to spread it out but i don't know there's a reason for that maybe a little hard you don't have a but you don't have a daughter uh i don't think i do yeah you're right you definitely don't yeah she's saying she's saying no she's saying she she you can't i'm just afraid of her i don't i don't want to piss her off. Ben doesn't care. My dad was here.

Shouldn't he be afraid of Ben too? No. No? My dad was here and he was like, Ben, what about your dad on parent corner making fun of your hygiene? I don't care. I don't care. You can say what he wants.

Alright, that's good. Well, that's good at least. But I do feel bad for him. You're making fun of his smell. Oh, he smells. And then you're like, oh, I smell meatballs. Like he can't win with any of the smells. He's trying to mask his body smells. He smells odors.

And eat his mother's meatballs and he's getting shit for it. Putting a blanket over the meatballs turns out to be a bad idea. Like a magician. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it turns out the blanket actually touches the sauce and meatballs. And that works.

What did the guy in San Francisco think of all this screen? Allegedly this guy's 13, but he might be 48 for all we know. Oh, that's not too bad then. Yeah. The other thing I was filming, I'm in that game,

uh, two K NBA, two K. The other thing, I was filming, I'm in that game, 2K. NBA 2K. Oh, yeah, right. I did some announcing for it. So I had to kind of film record the announcing this week. How many hours is that?

It's like a three-hour session. That's it? That's pretty good. And I was like, I was like, Ben, don't come back, all right? Don't come back there

because, you know, it's intense. And then he was like, I could just see him outside the door, like looking in. So I waved him in and he came in, he listened to me do like these fake announcing for 10 minutes has never been more impressed with me ever.

Really? The single most impressed he's ever been by anything I've done is me announcing 2k. Nice. Like, Oh, what are you? What a duck by Yardis.

And then me like rambling about whatever. You couldn't's like, oh, what a duck by Yadis. And then me like rambling about whatever. You couldn't let him do like a fart noise for like a missed free throw or something? No. I did.

I tried to work him into at least one of my rambles. Yeah. So anyway, I finally impressed him. So that was great. Nice. All right.

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by the way you're gonna write a blurb for it can i get that from you oh i can get a blurb from you okay good who else should i get to write a blurb knoxville romo and chippy that's what i'm thinking is it and chippy. That's what I'm thinking. Is it? And Chippy? Yeah. You write one goddamn thing about me. Actually, she can be fun about it. Is Aniston in play or no? I don't know.

That might be a tough ask. I wrote a book about sports. I didn't understand any of these stories, but I loved it. All right. Maybe Dax is like a megastar now. Maybe didn't understand any of these stories, but I loved it. All right. Maybe Dax is like a megastar now. Maybe he'll write something. Oh, that'll be fun.

Dax would be a good one. All right. I'll think about it. What are you going to say? Now, say it now, and then I'll just record it, and then that'll be that. I'm going to have to send an email. I'm going to put real time in it.

All right. Good times. Sal, as always, good job by you. Good job by you good job by you buddy on the wayside on the wayside I don't have