The Bill Simmons Podcast - Michael Rapaport on NBA Awards, the Knicks, 'True Romance,' and Being Banned From ESPN (Ep. 209)

Episode Date: May 5, 2017

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons brings on Michael Rapaport to discuss the uninspiring NBA playoffs (5:00), the upcoming 'NBA Awards' show (11:00), Kelly Olynyk's man bun (17:00), Phil Jackson's problems in New York (26:00), overhyping 'Hamilton' (33:30), Chris Paul's overrated status (38:00), Ty Lue complaining (41:00), reporter questions for Popovich and Belichick (44:00), LeBron's ability to avoid injury (49:00), A-Rod's stickman status (52:00), beefing with Dan Le Batard (1:02:00), and shooting 'True Romance' scenes with Christian Slater (1:13:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I like it. Gambling stuff. It is on the world's coldest gambling streak right now. So hopefully things will turn now that he has a podcast. But subscribe to that on iTunes. It is at least once a week. Let's hear from Pearl Jam. In the house, Michael Rapaport. It's been a while. It's been a while. You've been feuding with people.

Feuding. You've said some things I didn't agree with. Oh, good. I want to hear that. Well, we'll talk about that later. I feel like you were coming in hot for a while. I always come in hot. Now you're medium again. What, with you?

You're medium well done now. You're not rare. Well, I have to pace myself with you because I already know where it's going to go. So I can't start like I jumped off a building. You look like you're in shape. I feel like you've been working out and there's some sort of basketball something going on with you. You look like you're in basketball shape. Yeah, that's good. Looks can be deceiving.

Okay. I look like I'm in basketball shape from the neck up. Okay. That's how I feel too. Yeah, from the neck up, I look like I'm in basketball shape. But I'm going to take this second to promote something that you're going to like. You're promoting the start of the podcast? The reason why, Bill, is because the chances of your audience being able to stick around

with what I'm going to bring to this show are slim to none. So I want to get it out now while everyone's listening. Okay. But I'm doing a live podcast in San Francisco May 9th yeah May 11th in Seattle yeah with Sean Kemp Sean Kemp Sean Kemp the Rainy Man in Seattle how'd you get him that's my guy I'm jealous I I knew you'd be jealous and I knew you'd appreciate it so he's in Seattle with Sean Kent, May 11th, live. Wow. And then May 13th in Vancouver.

So that's why I took it to tell you that. And the tickets are available at IamRapaportor.com. And that's the only reason why I brought it up early is because I feel like I will alienate and breach everything that you do on this podcast. So IamRapaportor.com, May 9th, San Fran, the 11th with the Rain Man in Seattle live and the 13th event in Vancouver. This is the first good thing that's happened to Seattle basketball fans in 10 years.

This is a big deal. Yeah. So he's up there and, you know, I mean, people forget about how incredible he was and his whole story and, you know, everything. So I'm hyped to have him. Well, you go through the all NBA teams and he's in there for a couple of years and you know first team second team i think he made a

couple second teams he was a top 10 player for three years in 96 finals if you watch those games arguably the most unstoppable guy in that finals ridiculous you know i was in basketball camp with him yeah and and and he remember... Were you a counselor? No. He looked like he should have been a counselor. But I think Sean is maybe... We might be the exact same age. But I remember looking...

I think he's a year or two older than me. But I remember looking over to him. He had a full goatee. And I was like, there's so no way I'm going to be doing anything with basketball in my life. Like he was at... This was at the five-star basketball camp, which is like the elite of the elite at the time. Yeah. And it was like a day at the beach for him.

He was so much better than everybody at the camp and there was all stars, all Americans, all, it was like, he was like playing around with children. Yeah. People are asking for his birth certificate.

Oh, are you okay with that? I'm set up here. I'm good. I know how to work a mic. I know how to give myself a mic check. You walked in wearing a jeeter stickman shirt yes yes retirement jersey yeah yeah retirement jersey now he's going to the

marlins he's going to the marlins he's gonna own the marlins good good i think that's good for him he's staying busy he's not denying the fact that he he wants to be a part of baseball like kobe is doing um kobe's not doing that ko Kobe's doing Dr. Seuss NBA segments. Yeah, I know. Have you seen those? I've seen them all. Is he losing his mind? He's a storyteller.

He said he loves storytelling. He's a storyteller. Kobe is my dude, but I feel like he's going to go through this and then something's going to have to come back with basketball. But if you love storytelling, Kobe's like... Kobe's your dude? Kobe?

I love fucking... You don't love Kobe?'s your dude? Kobe? I love fucking- You don't love Kobe? No. You don't? You hate Kobe? I'm a Celtic fan. I don't hate Kobe. But you-

I respect Kobe. Of course. I don't know what he's trying to do currently. He loves storytelling. I don't understand these Dr. Seuss ABC things. If he wants to be a producer, Kobe, if you want to be a producer, hire yourself some dope writers. Everybody would come take a meeting with you.

You got to spend a little money and then produce movies. would be spending money yeah but i mean i i think if he really wants to be a producer in hollywood he can do it but you don't do it with like animated things like get dope directors dope actors and i think he thinks he's tim burton i think he's gonna make like edward scissors hands like basketball versions yeah i think I think he's going to make like Edward Scissorhands too. Like basketball versions and shit. Yeah. I think he was inspired by some Burton movies. What about your guy? Have you talked about how upset are you that Larry Legend might be leaving basketball? It seems like it's over. He's going to leave basketball? Yeah. I think stuff's going on with that team. I think he got out a little bit early. I think they're probably selling it. Oh. Yeah.

Is that your instinct or word on the street? There's some word on the street. When you say word on the street, you, like what do you get?

Phone call, a text, inside information, inside trading, Bernie Madoff shit. Like what are you talking about? The owner's old and there's a feeling

within the league. You know, it's really hard to buy into the NBA right now. Right. And the two teams that everybody just keeps circling are actually there's three indiana new orleans minnesota all of them have aging owners and you know so i think that the bird leaving when he did made me think that he the team's probably going to be sold they're probably going to blow it up

who knows what's going to come in uh Let's talk about the playoffs, though. Okay, let's go. So, round two. It's been a really uninspiring round two. Very uninspiring. Basketball on the internet, there's this race to just exclamation points. Everything's great. Oh, my God.

And it's like, if you really look at these playoffs, they haven't been that good. And that Boston-Washington game, too, in Boston, the overtime game, which was spectacular. We just haven't had a lot of those. OKC Houston was super disappointing. Clippers-Utah game seven was a dud. Every Golden State game, you almost feel like you don't even have to watch it. They're going to win by 15. They just crossed them off.

The Memphis-San Antonio game four. That was fun. That was a really good game. Cleveland's just killing teams. Killing. LeBron. So the thing with LeBron. What?

And we always write him off as an MVP candidate now, unless his stats are better than everybody else's stats. He's an MVP candidate. I didn't vote for him. Do you have a vote? I have a vote. Yo, you have a vote for MVP? Yeah.

Did you say who you voted for? What do you think? I'm like a busboy? I don't know. I don't know how it works. I don't know who are the people that vote for MVP. It's like 105 people.

That's it? Sage Steele has a vote. Wait a second. So have you publicly said who you voted for? Yeah. Who'd you vote for? Thanks for reading me.

I wrote a whole column. Tate, I like that. Who'd you vote for? Thanks for reading me. Yeah wrote a whole column. Tate, I like that. Who'd you vote for? Thanks for reading me. Yeah, it's on TheRinger.com. You have to go see it. No, I voted for James Harden. You voted for James Harden.

I did. My big thing about the MVP, Bill, and I want to ask you this. Yeah. Why is the NBA, you, all your basketball nerds everybody all season long who's the MVP who's the MVP who's the MVP who's the MVP

the season ends on a Wednesday yeah okay the playoff starts on a Friday yet we have to wait until June 20 fucking 6th to find out who the MVP of the regular season is

and it's going to be Russell Westbrook he's going to have gone to Central Pay he's going to go on shopping he's going to he's going to start thinking about theok. He's going to have gone to Central Pay. He's going to have gone shopping. He's going to start thinking about the next season. Take a couple meetings with Tom Ford.

Working on sleeveless blazers. And then two and a half months after the fact, they're going to give him the award for MVP of the regular season. As if it means shit. Two and a half months after... We grew up with Robinson getting the MVP during the series against Hakeem and Hakeem taking it personally and then taking it out on Robinson. That's what I love.

Don't you think it would have added fuel to the fire for the non-basketball-centric fan? Harden, Westbrook. Westbrook just won the MVP last night. They're going at it in the first round. I mean, obviously, I agree. I think it's insane. They're making this NBA award show this year,

which is why they're waiting for two months. Who's going to watch that shit? Nobody's watching that shit. Even the most basketball-centric fan like you, after the finals, you're like, you're done. You're done. And then you're going to be like, oh, it's Monday night. I'm going to watch Drake host a fucking basketball award show where they're giving out an mvp from the regular season two and

a half months ago oh and i can't wait to find out who wins most fashionable in the nba is that an award that's a fucking award all right i'm gonna and not only is it a word says we're talking and not only is an award this is going to encourage these motherfuckers to take things to a new level next year. Well, what other level is there? Wade was wearing pants that ended at his knee. Westbrook was wearing jeans that had, you know, one foot holes in them. Yeah, and then they got the sleeveless blazer. And the fact that Drake is hosting them

two and a half months after the fact, I just think it's a big, I don't know who they... They think this is like the Oscars. People are going to watch this like the Oscars. The finals will be over. They're going to have already given the NBA finals MVP, and then they're going to go back

and be like, oh yeah, remember two months ago, Russell Westbrook, who's already been eliminated, and James Harden has already been eliminated. We're going to give them an award. It's the dumbest fucking thing. Do you have Adam Silver's number on your phone? I can't find the fan awards. They are giving out an award for most fashionable. This is representative, Bill,

of the skinny genification of the NBA. That is the epitome of the skinny genification of the NBA. All right, so dunk of the year, best style, block of the year, assist of the year, game winner of the year, and top performance of the year Best style Block of the year Assist of the year Game winner of the year And top performance of the year What This is an award show

How are those awards Assist of the year The assist of the year The most stylish of the year So they're gonna be like Oh next year people are gonna be like Yo I'm winning that fucking award This should be like

I was Jalen and I I was used to have a joke about Guy you Would take into a dark alley with you Yeah Like those should be the awards. Yes.

It should be like guy I wouldn't fuck with. Yes. Sad award. The all goon squad. Heat check award. Yeah. Yeah.

Like Dion Waiter should win an award on NBA. Yeah. The 5150 award of the year. What's that? Like 5150 means like, you know, when the paramedics

say call if they got like a crazy person, they'll go, it's 5150. Like, so there'll be like the 5150 award of the year. Or they could call AKA the Ron Artest award. call up to you. They got like a crazy person. They'll go, it's 5150. So there'll be like the 5150 award of the year. Or they could call AKA the Ron Artest Award.

I'm with you. I don't understand it. I get why they're doing it, but if you're going to have- Get it for what? What's going to happen? Like they're getting sponsorship by Kia? They're trying to turn it into- The Oscars?

Like the ESPYs. Yeah, okay. Okay. I mean, you're the biggest basketball fan i would not watch that show who's gonna watch that shit i wouldn't watch it i would watch it if the if the categories were funnier like if so if best social media presence was an award now i'm getting more interested like i obviously joel and bead should win after the he compared himself to do you see the horse tweet yes the horses and i what do we have in common?

The process. The smiley face? Yeah. Yeah. Julian Beads, all right, let's have the playoffs. But I think that,

I think that if, once you're doing the most stylish award, all bets are off, you can do the all goon squad. You could do the 51-50 guy, because it's like, this is the NBA, you're doing most stylish.

One of these basketball players is gonna come up there, probably in a fucking tutu, and they're going to get an award. And it's like Moses Malone is kicking and screaming in his grave. Yeah, Moses. Moses Malone is like, what the fuck? Moses wouldn't have gone.

Wouldn't have gone. No, he wouldn't have gone. No, he would have been somewhere like South Carolina. Yeah. Playoffs. Yep. The Knicks. Did you think Westbrook was the MVP?

Yes. Would you have wanted to play with Westbrook was the MVP yes would you have wanted to play with Westbrook would you have wanted to be on his team for 82 games the way I play yes my style of game

I'm not a shoot first kind of guy for me and you it would have been great yeah Russ you do everything I'll get my rebounds I'll set my picks I'm ready if you need me

I'm over here yeah my mentality of basketball yes yeah but I mean it's hard to say I mean I'm curious why you need me. I'm over here. Yeah. My mentality of basketball, yes. Yeah. But, I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, I'm curious why you picked Harden. Really, for me, it came down to his team did better.

Harden. Their offense was much better. They had one of the top 10 greatest offenses in the history of the league, whereas Westbrook's offense was like 17th. And I didn't think he made his teammates better. And by the time they got to the playoffs, Oladipo was like a section eight. He was like private pile. Steven Adams, they never ran plays for him anymore.

What kind of plays can you run for Steven Adams? He's a really good screen and roll guy. He would have run that over and over again. Kanter, like you can't even keep on the court. None of their young guys really stepped up. In those last couple games, he had guys wide open that he just wasn't even passing to. Grant was making threes. McDermott was making some.

He's just ignoring them. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's a tough thing with him because he's so... It's such an incredible tsunami of energy and all that stuff. Tsunami? Tsunami. Isn't that what it's called? Tsunami? Tsunami. I like tsunami. Tsunami. energy and all that stuff tsunami tsunami isn't that what it's called tsunami tsunami i like

tsunami tsunami tsunami sounds like the where i'd go to lunch today to get sushi wait what did i say tsunami russet westbrook is the tsunami can you give me your your biased thoughts about isaiah thomas which one i don't you're a knicks fan and we have the Celtics did it again. We have a franchise guy again. One of the better offensive guards in 30 years. How could you not love this guy? So you like him. How could you not love Isaiah Thomas? I don't know. You're a Knicks fan.

I've told you this. I've softened ever since the big three. Ever since the Garnett and Doc Rivers and the Paul Pierce. That team. I like that team. Oh. It's not like I don't, like when you get a guy like Kelly Olenek, what is his name?

Olenek. Olenek? Yeah. See that brings back. Who's now getting booed by like Bill Lambert. He's the biggest doofus the Celtics have had in 20 years. He's a fucking clown with that man bun.

He's a doofus. He's a doofus. We're worst hairdo in the NBA, Kelly Olenek or Jeremy Lin. He's got a man bun in Boston and they don't boo him? Shame on your fans. I don't think they're happy about the man bun. So you like

Isaiah? How could you not? I've always liked him. He's always been impressive. He's great. Could you make the finals with Isaiah Thomas? Not this year. You ain't making it past Cleveland, my friend. Any aspirations or hopes or coulda, woulda, shoulda be or any arithmetic you're going to run in your head that you might possibly beat cleveland

bill simmons you guys ain't beating cleveland you'd be lucky to make it out of there in six games that's what we when i brought up lebron earlier i was gonna say the the thing with lebron when he when he's rested as as When is he not rested? As a friend of mine said this week to me, who I can't name. Why not? Because he's involved in the NBA. Okay. LeBron in a full tank is still the scariest player of the last 25 years.

Period. Even this year, in year 14. When he's rested and he's going, and you knew when it was 8-3 and he's calling for the alley-oop and dunking lefty off the backboard, it's like because he had rest. And if they can get through these series with four in round one, four or five in round two, they blow through the Celtics four or five, and he can get to the finals with real rest,

that would make me think they have a chance, even though they're bad defensively. Do you think the Celtics can push them to seven? Let's assume the Celtics get there, because the Celtics, they're not, Washington could beat the Celtics. Today it came out that Isaiah has a fractured jaw. Look, I'm surprised.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. So he's got a fractured jaw, knocked out three teeth. Shit. He's not going to stop playing with a fractured jaw. He had the terrible family tragedy. I worry he's going to tank out, just understandably wear it out a little bit as this goes along. And they rely on him so much. You saw it.

First of all, they really had no business winning game two and game one. That was the best game he's had all season. I mean, he's, we've seen him do that 15 times this year, but he had 53 points. Yes.

You know, he took 33 shots. He's never taken that many. And really that game gave him talent too. Bradley Beal had an 11-footer for the game. Yes. And he gacked it. It was a short arm.

They might not get past Washington. They very well might not get. I'm concerned. One of the things I don't love in a playoff series is when you keep falling behind by double figures. I think that's a horrible sign. Not a good habit to start. I think they're better because I don't think Washington is poised enough. I think it's going to be one of those series that we're going to look back and go, wow, Washington should have won.

But bad defensively, they lose their poise. How many times have they lost their poise. We've seen how many times have they lost their poise in three games? Markeith Morris, or whatever Morris is playing there. And Wobb, I think they're one of those teams when they're up 20,

they look devastating. But if the Celts can just get them in these games where it's close in the last five minutes, Wobb's going balls to the wall, and he totally ran out of energy in game two. Yep, yep.

So I don't know. I could see six or seven. I always felt that way. Even when the Celts were up two nothing, I felt like it was going to be a six or seven. The question I'm asking you is,

who would give Cleveland a tougher matchup just to slow them down? Boston. Boston. All right. Washington's not ready yet. Okay.

I don't think Boston's going to beat them. I don't think so either. But, you know, Boston's not ready yet. Okay. I don't think Boston's going to beat them. I don't think so either. But, you know, Boston's biggest, biggest hope is injury luck. Yes. You saw it with Parker. Yep. Parker just goes down.

You know, when you have these guys that are in year 14, 15, 16, 17, it's really hard to play 100 games. Yep. And it's like, oh, what a shame. Tony Parker. It's like, that guy's tony parker it's like that guy's in his 17th season like he should be getting hurt yes just because he's 33 anybody who plays basketball after like age 38 like you start getting fucking hurt yeah he's been playing

since he's like 12 yeah it's like oh he hurt his leg on a non-contact injury yeah he's been in the league since 2001 yeah they were relying on him and that fucking happens what did you think of the uh little pom-pom fight last night with the two Kellys? Oubre Jr.? It was the battle of bad hair.

So he kind of hit the ref. Yes. I thought that should have been a bigger deal. But it was like, yeah, like he ran into him. But he crashed into the ref

as he crashed into Olenek, which feels like that's a suspension. No, he's not getting suspended because your boy flopped. Your boy Olenek. I actually don't think he flopped. And Olenek's a suspension. No, he's not getting suspended. Because your boy flopped. Your boy Olenek. I actually don't think he flopped.

And Olenek's a dirty fucking player. Now, I go back and evaluate. No, he's a doofus. He's not dirty. He's a doofus. Yes, he fucking is. Because now I reevaluate that little twist that he did on Kevin Love and his high picks on Oubre and his bad goatee.

And what is he, Canadian? He's Canadian. He's Canadian. Who is a dirty canadian he's dirty he's like a hockey player people on the planet he's like a nicest people and doesn't big political statements like he's like fuck hillary and all that he's like a big big kelly olenek i think so i don't think he knows who hillary is no tate look it up he's he's like mr he's like you know mr outspoken he had like a pic he he's not a good guy kelly olenek dirty or doofus he's a he's a

dirty doofus yeah he's a dirty doofus Yeah he's a dirty doofus He needs to cut that fucking man bun And show up to the game Like Jaden Smith did At the Met Gala In his hand I don't like Kelly Olenek

Is that what Jaden Smith did? Yeah he came to the Met Gala The other day With his Cut off dreadlocks In his hand Like a man purse He's holding them in his hand

Is LeBron Is LeBron in the conversation For you with MJ yet? Absolutely. How could he not be? I'm still not there. Who's the conversation? So it's MJ and then who? MJ's in his own conversation. He's at a table for one.

Bill Russell gets to stop by every once in a while and they talk. See, that's where that Boston shit. Bill Russell won 11 titles. I know. He won 11 titles I know won 11 titles in 13 years do we need to go down this road again how many times

can you win a title everyone from that era is like Bill Russell is the best player in our era he's amazing I wish Bill Russell was my teammate

yeah and the do I need to break down the overratedness of Bill Russell for you one more time please don't please don't and the unintegrated

NBA with eight teams well we'll say this watching the way basketball is played now for the first time, and I was always, even when I did my book in like 09, I was always like comparing the eras. Yeah. Really felt like the 86 Celtics could hang with these teams in the 2000s. Maybe they were a little more athletic, but the 80s.

Now I watch basketball and I'm like, all of these teams would destroy the older teams. Because we figured out the spacing better. The spacing and the strategy and the way the shooting and the athleticism, I think it would be just, I don't care who you're playing, I think it would be unstoppable. The evolution of man. That's why Bill Russell shouldn't be considered past 1973. Yeah, but you still have to, you're ranking the greatest

by what their career and the impact was when they played. You can't just say, like if you're going to say the guys now are better than Bill Russell, like, you're probably right. Like, Jan Mahimny might be as good as Bill Russell was athletically. Yes. If you put him in 1962, he would be going crazy. I mean, what was the year that he beat the Syracuse Nats, Bill Russell? His company, he was going against Dolph Shays.

That was the center he was competing against. Dolph Shays is like 195 pounds. He fucking against Dolph Shays that was that was the center he was competing against Dolph Shays like 195 pounds he owned Dolph Shays he owned Dolph Shays great that's something to

fucking brag about that's something that you feel good Neil Johnson let me ask you this would you give back Bill Russell's championship no versus Dolph Shays

and the Syracuse Nets to disassociate yourself from Curt Schilling think about it like so you say Curt Schilling never had anything to do with Boston or the Boston Red Sox. And I'll give back one of Bill Russell's championships. If I still worked at ESPN, we would digitally remove Curt Schilling from the documentary, the 30 for 30 we made about the four days of October.

You'd re-edit? No, I would put the thing on his face like they use when somebody doesn't give their consent to be filmed. The blurkle. Yeah. Like in Survivor when somebody's dick falls out and they blurkle it. That's what Schilling, the whole documentary, Schilling's face would be blurkeled. Would you give up a World Series championship today and never had anything to do with Curt Schilling as a Red Sox? I would give up 07.

You'd give it up? I think so. If you could say, you know what, Curt Schilling, because all he is is... Just to erase it from my head? No, just the fact that it didn't happen. Like, okay, we have to give... I'd keep all the championships. Even the one with Curt Schilling.

Even though he's such a crackpot now. Well, 04. I mean, if you had told any Red Sox fan in 04, you're going to come back 3-0 from the Yankees. You're going to win the World Series. But the tax is going to be Curt Schilling's going to lose his mind. Right.

I would have taken that. You would have taken that? All right. Okay, because you know he's... It could have been like Curt Schilling's going to kill your dog. I'd be like, fine.

Take the dog. All right. How you feeling, Tate? What do you think about this? Wait, let's... Speaking of unhappy, tortured fans. Yes.

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Your lottery pick, you somehow screwed that up and you fell to the seventh spot, even though arguably there's no way you should have been lower than four. So then you lost the coin flip to the Timberwolves for six. Yep. Now you're in the seventh ping pong spot. Yep. That always works out for us. How are you feeling?

Horrible. And at this point, Bill, I have to blame you know, I have to blame Phil Jackson. Because Phil, my man Phil, is not doing his job. And James Dolan, I

believe, said, here, you're the boss. You run everything to do with basketball. He's a delegator and phil's like doesn't give a fuck the fact that for me when when when when the charles oakley incident happened which we didn't even talk about but when the truck about it when that didn't happen and dolan went on mike and mike i believe to sort of clear the air with the press and talk about it if i was dolan i would have, Phil, they need to hear from you. Well, I don't want to talk.

They need to hear from you, Phil. Please go talk to the press for five minutes. I'm not doing it. Then you're fucking fired. I fire him on the spot. I'm paying you money. I'm the owner. You work for me.

I'm giving you however many amount of money. They don't want to hear from you. They want to hear from you. You're not going to talk to the press. You're fired, it would have taken everything off of James Dolan, and that's your job, the fans want to hear from Phil Jackson, we don't even get, he's falling asleep at games, you see him like he's like nodding in the crowd, he's like, and everybody came into this with such optimism,

the fact, I've never seen in any sport uh what is he the gm the president of basketball operation what is phil's fucking title president of basketball operation something like that publicly try to shame and humiliate whether he's holds the ball whether he's not as good as d-way we know he's not as great as lebron all this stuff to publicly for for him to come out he didn't speak to the press all season long and then his closing thing is to try to publicly shame carmelo anthony regardless of what you think of carmelo anthony it's just not cool it's not he was the one who gave him a no trade clause you did it yeah why don't you fire yourself why don't you say this is my fault i fucked him i should go

somewhere else and play he's i mean who does that who Who can't? He holds... It's just not fair. We all have our problems with Carmelo, but for him to do that and not speak when the Oakley thing happened and not speak when your point guard

mysteriously disappears, but his last statement of the season is to shit all over Carmelo. I'm proud that poor Zingas, the Lativian gangbanger, said, fuck it. He figured it out in two years.

It takes most people five years to figure these things out. He was like, fuck it. He figured it out in two years. It takes most people five years to figure these things out. He was like, fuck this. I'm going back to Lativia. He got the other gangbangers. And I'm out of here. I don't need this shit. I'm glad that he, like, for a 21, 22-year-old kid to figure it out so young.

I was like, this kid's got his head on his shoulders. And like, what do we need to meet and talk about? It's the closing conversation with this guy. Well, especially somebody who threw his best player under the bus. Threw his best player under the bus. Jeff Hornacek's going to get fired at someone. He's never going to coach basketball ever again. What?

Do you think there hasn't been enough attention paid to the whole Kurt Rambis as a narc kind of thing? How Phil Jackson puts Kurt Rambis in there. He's always there. The whole thing is a joke. It's bizarre always there. The whole thing is a joke. It's bizarre, right? The whole thing is a joke. It doesn't matter who they put in there.

If they're just a puppet and a mouthpiece for Phil Jackson, none of those coaches are going to get respect. Hornacek potentially could have been a good coach in the NBA. Right. He's done. He's never going to coach again. For some reason, they got fucking Kurt Rambis who refuses to shave his hair just shave the fucking hair

you look nuts he looks like Hulk Hogan just shave it okay you look crazy this way we know you're gonna look crazy with the bald head but at least you'll have

he'll look like sort of like crazy in a good way like kind of intimidating white guy with the horn rimmed glasses the whole thing is bad and

he should shave the head and do those old school psycho glasses. The thick plastic ones. Maybe gain some respect from the players because right now they don't listen to you. They don't listen to Hornacek. They think he's wired when they're talking to him. Explain to me this. Dolan, who

fires the head of MSG every 18 months, who fires people left and right. Left and right. But then with Nick's job and the Rangers, he's always like, look, when I make a deal, I make a deal. Right. My word is oak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't understand.

Why isn't his word oak with his other businesses? Listen, man, I'm so over this team. Who is more out of shape this year, Joakim Noah or you? I'd say in the beginning it was me, but when Joakim went down with the injury, definitely I'd say it was Joakim. Yeah. He came in in a little better shape, but towards the end of the season, like March, after he came back from that weird suspension thing,

I was in better shape. If I gave you over under nights Joakim was up past 430 in Manhattan. 22 during the season. Would you go over, under? Yes, over. Okay, over. How about 42? I'd say it's like a—

Somewhere between 22 and 42? Yeah, yeah. We're talking about a great stick man. Oh, yeah. Under the radar. He's putting in that work. I don't even think it's under the radar. Well, when he came to New York, now it's sort of out and about.

But that's a coxswain right there. He puts in that work. I mean, his father, it's under the radar well they when he came to new york now it's sort of out and about but like that's a coxman right there he puts in that work i mean his father it's in his lineage father was a fantastic stick man it's one of the best it's like alan thick and robin thick yes you're one of the great father son combos we've ever had yes and they're they're still going at it because because uh the father um yannick fantastic fantasy world renowned because he's a tennis player who could have guessed the Joakim Noah signing wouldn't work out I mean it seems so promising

did you know that was going to be so bad I didn't know it was going to be this bad I thought it was going to be bad I really I genuinely thought it was going to be terrible I thought his energy and his rebounding

and I didn't know he was going to be so hurt but I thought his energy and his rebounding would be a good thing I didn't know I didn't realize the 70 hurt, but I thought his energy and his rebounding would be a good thing. I didn't realize the $70 million was actually $70 million until he got hurt. I just assumed they were going to sign Dwight Howard.

And I still think you end up with him. I think this is where this all heads, is the Joakim Noah and Courtney Lee for Dwight Howard. And that's the big fix. And Kent Baysworth. Great. I think you get Baysworth. Great. I think you get those two contracts. Great.

God bless them. You bring Rose back for a year on a reduced contract. And it's a Rose, Carmelo, Dwight, the trio you've always been waiting for. The big three from 2010. Only now it'll be 2018. It's a disaster.

So I had Daisy Samara on a couple weeks. You went what? Daisy Samara. Oh, yes, yes. But you said... You love those guys. Yeah, they're funny. And I was saying to them that all the Knicks celebrity fans should get together.

Every time you jiggle the Starbucks cup, everyone hears and thinks like we're making daiquiris. Tate will make it work. Tate will make it work. So I was saying to them... But just let me say, people, if you're hearing this noise in the back... That's a Starbucks. It's my Starbucks cup. He's not making a daiquiris here. Tate will make it work. Tate will make it work. So I was saying to them. But just let me say, people, if you're hearing this noise in the back, that's my Starbucks cup. He's not making a daiquiri.

So I was saying to them, all the Knicks celebrity fans should get together and do one of those music videos like people used to do in the 80s to raise money. Yeah. To band together

against James Dolan and the Knicks just to be like, we're not taking this anymore. You get all the people. Spike's in there in the front row. He's like the Quincy Jones. He's like the orchestra orchestrating. Woody Allen.

Yep. Woody's in the front singing. They give him a solo. Matthew Modine's really into it. Yes. He's really belting it out. You just get all of them. Daisy Samara.

They just go all the way through. You get like 40 Knicks fans. And it's like, you suck, Dolan. Whatever the chorus is. And through you get like 40 Knicks fans and it's like you suck Dolan whatever the chorus is and then you get that out I don't know why people just don't go

if you want to go see a piece of shit just waste your money and go see Hamilton stop going to Knicks games oh yes you're the anti-Hamilton corner

if you want to go see what corner I didn't know this corner existed let me tell you something, Bill. That's one of the biggest frauds. That's one of the biggest con jobs. It's like a hip-hop experience. Drive through any hood in any part of the United States.

Name nobody rocking the Hamilton soundtrack outside the bodega in any hood. This fucking thing. It's like Dr. Suits rapping. That set hip-hop back. And no disrespect to Lin-Manuel. It's a great achievement. But people are like, well, it's like hip-hop, but it's Hamilton. That ain't fucking hip-hop.

That's not fucking hip-hop. Don't fool yourself, people. Don't waste your money thinking that's hip-hop. If you think that that's hip-hop, drive around any hood, go to any high school, go to any club. You think they're rocking the Hamilton soundtrack in the club? You think that there's like a remix to the Hamilton soundtrack? Like, yo, you heard that new Hamilton shit? That shit is doo-doo on a fucking stick.

It's not hip-hop. I don't care what Questlove, that's my guy, and all the guys from Roost, I hope they're making Tons and tons of money It's a fantastic way To tell a story But that is not Hip hop Period

So if you want to go See something You want to go Waste your money on something I urge the fans To stop going to the Nick games They were out there Cheering

What's his name For Ron Baker Ronnie Baker Sunshine and Ronnie Baker They're out there Cheering for Ron Baker Go Waste your money On Ronnie Baker. They're out there cheering for Ron Baker. Go waste your money on something else. So the 10-year anniversary of my podcast is May 8th?

Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the 17th anniversary that the Knicks celebrated. The 99 team that went to the finals. That's how bad the Knicks are. We're celebrating the 18th anniversary. The 18th anniversary. It's not even the 20th? Yeah, not the 20th, not the 25th. The 18th anniversary of a team

that went to the finals and lost. And got killed. That's a celebration. In the 10 years that I've had this podcast, your Hamilton take is the single hottest take I've ever heard on the podcast. It's so hot that I got burned by it. Tate, are you all right?

Did you get burned by the flames in that take? I've never seen Hamilton. All right. I appreciate that, Bill. Incredible. Thankate, are you all right? Did you get burned by the flames in that take? I've never seen Hamilton, so... All right. I appreciate that, Bill. Incredible. Thank you, man. Incredible job. That means a lot to me, man.

Shit. A-Rod, you brought up. A lot of discussions. Actually, let's save A-Rod because I want to stay in NBA for a second. Okay. Chris Paul, overrated, underrated, properly rated. God, man.

I always go back to your book. Never made round three. I know, man. I always go back to your book. Never made round three. I know, man. I always go back to your book. I always think about your book because you really opened my eyes in your book to Chris Paul. I don't know, man.

Where is he rated right now? So when I wrote that, I wrote a column about him. You don't read The Ringer, so you wouldn't know. No, but I read that book multiple times times so i had him right ahead of stockton you had him wait wait what ahead of stockton at the time now no like literally two weeks ago now i regret it and i actually think he's this generation stockton if i had to do redo that

part again stockton i had that the pyramid in my basketball book five levels level five was the pantheon level four was right underneath it and had like the guys like Isaiah and Elgin Baylor and Barkley and Malone and then level three was the guys who weren't they were just missing one tiny thing that couldn't get them to that level who were some of the guys in that frazier willis the greatest game seven ever yeah you mean wall frazier the great great player awesome awesome players but what do you mean just like they just weren't like there there was like a a franchise year to year these guys were just carrying stuff maybe they won a title there was one tiny element missing and stockton was my last level three guy.

And the reason was great player, unbelievable. Stats are great. Unbelievable resume. But if he was your best guy and you didn't really have anyone else, maybe he wasn't there. He also had his postseason, like year after year in his prime, he got outplayed by people that probably he shouldn't have been outplayed by. And I wonder if Chris Paul is now this generation Stock stockton where it's like you go through game seven

he's going against george hill at home and they're like chris paul's worn down he's tired why is chris paul tired this is round one i i just think he's played 38 minutes a game he's tired i think that the style of play when he came into the league, such quickness. He's had injuries. I think he's slowing down. And when you're the guy, I mean, he could still be a very good point guard. But remember when he first came in, he was just like he had you on skates. Right. Defensively, he's not the same that he was.

And offensively, I don't think he can do what he used to do. I don't think he has that elusiveness. Right. do what he used to do i don't think he has that elusiveness right and i wonder if uh it's just hard when you're a little guy to to go into now season 13 14 15 16 you can't adjust your game impact yeah there's no he's under six feet you so you're not gonna be like well i'm gonna be a poster player i'm gonna be a spot-up guy he's a point guard right he's a point guard whose quickness is the number one thing and it's like you know isaiah was just he started losing he was out he was like i'm not even gonna have my last three years where i'm playing 27 minutes game i'm done right i'm gonna go run a team right

but they all seem to lose it around somewhere between season 11 and season 13 point guards small point guards they lose like that kind of in their prime just awesome because I think it's a really demanding position I think it wears them down they're little guys when he first came in he was like everybody with the handles Kyrie and Steph and whoever you love with the handles

Chris Paul was one of those guys who brought that wowza wowza wowza factor to handling the ball and he was the distributor but he's 5'11 5'10 that wowza, wowza, wowza factor to handling the ball. And he was a distributor. But he's 5'11", 5'10". So if you can't just shake people off you the way he used to be, that's the first thing. That was like his ultimate weapon is his quickness.

Like a guy like Isaiah Thomas on this Celtics. It's not like he's going to play into his 40s. And that's the thing. Isaiah's going to be a free agent. And now it's like a no-brainer. Obviously, they're going to give him the max. But you look at, he's going to be this 34-year-old 5'7 guy making $40 million a year. That's a little frightening.

Hey, he's done a lot for you guys. He really has. Don't let that white guilt get ahead of you in that way. I'm just playing. Let me ask you this. Ty Lue. Yeah. Okay, the guy who could use a new tailor. The me ask you this. Ty Lue. Yeah. Okay, the guy who could use a new tailor.

The suits are so big, Ty Lue. He said this week. That's something since 1998. What the fuck are you doing, Ty Lue? I mean, it's like I'm not one of these people that's into the skinny shit, but I've even tightened it up a little bit. You look crazy. He said that coaching the Cleveland Cavaliers is the hardest job in sports.

How dare you? How fucking dare you? What about coaching the Cleveland Cavaliers without LeBron James? Why don't you coach the New York Jets? See if that's a fucking... Like, come down to New York. Coach any team besides the Cleveland Cavaliers and see if it's a hard... He's complaining already?

Did you hear about this? Ty Lue said this? If LeBron was my best player, I would not complain. There's nothing to complain about, Ty Lue. You were handed the keys... He's the queen of the chessboard. Yeah, and you know, the blood of David Blatt was spilled for you. You had to jump over it to avoid any DNA evidence.

And now you're complaining a half a year later, a year later? Shame on you. It's like, and they're like, oh, well, he out-coached Steve Kerr. It's like, you know, really, it would be fun when the Warriors and the Cavaliers to get there. Steve Kerr's not going to be there. Sit Ty Lue the fuck down and let them just play without the coaches

and prove that neither one of them are that great of a coach. Like, Ty Lue, like, he out-coached Steve Kerr. The Warriors are going to make the finals without Steve Kerr. Let them just do it on their own at this point. They don't need you, Ty Lue. That's the hardest job in sports.

How dare you? He didn't say that. He did say it. Yeah, he did. He did say it. That's insane. How am I breaking news to you? It's like two days ago he said that.

I didn't hear that one. He said it. You don't read my column? What the fuck, man? Sorry, I didn't read you out the rigor. You didn't read my column? Ty Lue couldn't have said that. He said it.

Tate, Tate, tell him. Oh, my God. He said that. That's got balls, right? That's one of the worst things I've ever heard. I will say, like, Spolster's job the first two years of Miami, that was a tough job. That was a tough job. Your figuring out how to ease in the best player of the last 20 years with the guy who owns that city and who probably was a little more alpha doggy.

I agree. And then you have Chris Bosh, too, who's in the corner sucking his thumb, wondering why he signed there. And he made all that. They flame out in the finals. He was able to rally them back. That's a tough job.

There's plenty of other. But he said the toughest job in sports. This guy's got fucking big suits and big balls. Yeah, Jets coach. Yeah. I'm with you on Jets coach. Yeah, he said that. You're going to get your ass kicked by the Pats twice a year.

Right. We're coming again, by the way. I know. Do you even follow football? Did the Patriots ruin football for you? No. You sure? Bill, I can...

I wouldn't blame you if they ruined it. No, they didn't ruin it. Because they're going to win the AFC East again. I was texting you. Wasn't I texting you? Oh, I did. I said, remember during the Super Bowl? You probably can't remember because it changed. If you looked at your thing, I was texting you oh i did i said remember during the super bowl you probably can't remember because it changed if you looked at your thing i was texting you i said emergency podcast after the after the

game at halftime oh do you remember this i was like please emergency podcast please can we do something come on my come on there's no way i would have done that with you i know you wouldn't have i would i would rather have hit you with a two by four. I was texting this motherfucker in the first half. I was like, please, podcast something right afterwards. And then I disappeared. I hadn't talked to you in months from that. I don't even remember getting a text. It's there.

Trust me. Like if we Monica Lewinsky it, it's there. Trust me. It's there. There was you. There was a handful of my Boston friends that I was texting, but you were the first guy. I was like, where are you at?

You doubted Tom Brady. It was going to be, you know, like. You doubted Tom Brady. Say it again? You doubted Tom Brady. I didn't give up. You know what I didn't do at halftime? Quit.

No. I changed seating positions in my living room with the people I was with, picked a different chair, and waited for Tom Brady to lead me back to the prom. It was incredible. It was incredible. I love that Kraft is still behind Donald Trump. You feel good about that? What would you do to get him to shut the fuck up?

Would you trade away a Bill Russell, I don't know, Olympic medal to have Tom Kraft, to have Roger Kraft? Is it Roger Kraft? Robert Kraft. Robert Kraft. Robert Kraft. Stop saying that, you know, like all these fantastic things.

I mean, it's got to shame you guys. Like, because I know there's probably a lot of Trump people, but like, it's like, don't you want him

to just stop saying that? Would you give away Bill Russell's Olympic medal for Kraft to stop saying how great Trump is? Trump was a great friend to him. Yeah, Trump was a great friend to him. Of, Trump was a great friend to him.

Of course he was. Of course he was. Yeah. What would you give away to have him stop acknowledging Donald Trump as being a great friend and a great leader? He's a great friend and a great leader. And you know what's amazing? He might have been a great friend. See, he might have been a great friend.

I'm sure he's a great friend. But, dude, what did you think about Brady coming back? He was incredible. Listen, I can't take i love he's incredible he's incredible he's sick uh a grumpy bill belichick who doesn't talk to the press because every he would shit on you if you asked him a question i would love to him to shame you in front of all the other press people have you ever thought about what it would be like to ask those questions i'm always stunned by like popovich the way they tiptoe i would have so much more fun with it if i was stuck there thank you i would my sideline

reporter question of popovich every single time would be what bottle of wine would you have compared that performance to like you gotta go that way with them he'd be like oh that's great totally agree with you like we were like a 98 Barolo in that press conference. Totally agree with you. Or like, what war general do you wish you could talk to right now? You'd get him thinking, right? Yeah, you'd get him thinking with weird questions. I totally agree with you. Bill Belichick, there's no way in.

He doesn't give a fuck. What would you do with Belichick? You're at the press conference. Belichick's like one of those. He's just a mean. Those handball walls that people play in New York City. He's the handball wall. He's a fucking.

He hit the ball and the wall just knocks it back. He's the handball wall with graffiti on it and spit and been vomited on. The questions... What's the question? You have your pop of a chin. What would you do with Belichick? Nothing. He would publicly humiliate the face of Boston sports.

He doesn't care that it's Bill Simmons. I think that the way with Belichick, he loves talking about football. So what would you say? So if you ask him questions that are like legit football questions, like, can you talk about how Landon Roberts, what is a Landon Roberts? How has he grown as somebody who can come up and stop the run, but then go in and pass protection? You don't think any reporter asks a question like that? That's all he wants to do. You can't be like,

Bill, is Tom playing this week? He doesn't want fodder. He's not giving you any information whatsoever, but he'll love talking about, hey Bill, have you studied what Bum Phillips did in the 1980 championship game?

Did you think there were any parents? That's the shit he wants to talk about. Otherwise, he's out. Okay. I think the way he handles it is brilliant because he gives nobody anything. about. Otherwise, he's out. Okay. But he doesn't. I think the way he handles it is brilliant. Because he gives nobody anything. But I just think it's mean.

I think it's mean and obnoxious to treat every question by every reporter just like as if they have no business even speaking to him. Like, he truly makes Craig Popovich look like the friendliest guy in the world. Like, every reporter, every question. Did you see the way Popovich look like the friendliest guy in the world. Like every reporter, every question. Did you see the way Popovich yesterday? During the game, or two days ago, the sideline reporter was like, what do you have to do to slow down James Harden? He's like, got to do a better job. Right.

That was it. He's like, okay, thanks. Like he hates it so much. Yeah. But I think the wine question and the generals would be a good way. It's the only way you have to go. I like that. Do you feel more comfortable when you coach with a beard?

Right. You've got to get super weird with them every time. Throw them off. What would Tim Duncan say if you saw that first quarter? Right. I like that. You just got to make him think for a second. Yeah, catch him off guard.

I think they put them in a really bad spot with trying to answer those questions. Because imagine a pilot is landing a plane. Right. And somebody comes in and be like, Bob, how's it feel? All they're doing is trying to land the plane. They can't snap out of that. They're singularly focused. Because Kristen Ledlow is standing next to them all of a sudden.

I agree. I feel bad for them. The Warriors? I just hope they can do it. If the Ravens win the title. Good. Anything to beat LeBron. Okay.

I didn't like the decision when it first happened, but he's there. I love the Golden State Warriors. I love the team. I love that Steph Curry has sort of been reduced to like, he's like an afterthought now. I love the resentment from the unanimous MVP last year. Do you think it's suspicious that Steph Curry can grow a beard? He can't. He has a beard now.

What would be suspicious about that? Four years ago, he had like four hairs. He finished puberty. Do you think he went through puberty? Yeah, I think he went through late stage puberty. Okay. I think there's nothing suspicious about that. If we're going to talk about suspicious hair

and growing things, we're going to go back to LeBron. But let's move forward. We don't want to go back to the fact that... You know what the interesting thing about LeBron amongst all the Michael Jordan things? The reason why you can't really compare him to Michael Jordan and any other athlete, because Michael Jordan got injured. You know who else got injured?

Barry Bonds. Yeah. Lance Armstrong got injured. Roger Clemens got injured. Who's the guy who beat Carl Lewis in the race? Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson. He even got injured. But the only person who beat Carl Lewis in the race? Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson. He even got injured.

But the only person who's never got injured in 14 years of professional sports is LeBron James. That, to me, is interesting. Mark McGuire, he got injured. You see where I'm going here? Well, you're naming a lot of people who had— No, they're just athletes. Great athletes. Michael Jordan.

We started with Michael Jordan. Ben Johnson. Lance Armstrong got injured. Sammy Sosa got injured. I will say that Le jordan ben johnson lance armstrong got injured sammy sosa got injured i will say that lebron for 14 years never got injured never even landing on somebody's ankle never on an offensive rebound and twisting like marquise morris did never no the only thing i can ever remember happening with him was the 2012 finals when he got the cramps no but i remember when he what was the year when he was that 2012 when he went back he after he left cleveland after he left miami came to miami after he left miami and came to cleveland what season was that uh 2014 the beginning of the season he wasn't

looking lebron like and they had the campaigns i'm coming home i'm coming home and then in december he said i need to take a break and he went back to Miami but you said you wanted to come home so why on your break did you go to Miami and why couldn't we find you during those two weeks some R&R yeah but but why do you if you needed R&R why don't you stay you were you wanted you were so it was so important to go home yet you went back to Miami for your break what and you know who else goes to Miami on their breaks Alex Rodriguez that's just a coincidental thing that's just a coincidental thing I'm just throwing names out there

A-Rod A-Rod so you wanted to talk about whether A-Rod is a stick man or not this is a question you get from people people are bringing it up a lot you've become what I was with the book of basketball you're the you're the author of the book of stickman yes you're that your your verdict is the final verdict i'm the gatekeeper you're the

gatekeeper for the stickman industries now a rod a rod has impressive been with a lot of women it seems to have two types has like that female bodybuilder-ish muscular type but then also has like the hot celebrity type and he kind of vacillates between those two worlds yes

sheer numbers who's the female bodybuilder type well he had that one girlfriend that was definitely muscular was that when he was still playing yeah

right yeah right so that's when he was into like the bodybuilding things he was definitely into like bodybuilder fitness kind of. Fitness, kind of like taking care of yourself.

Real strong. Supplements. A little bit intimidating. Right, supplements and shit like that. She probably used supplements. Maybe. Like Debbie Clements. She experimented.

Yes, exactly. Roger Clements, also a player who got hurt during his career, unlike LeBron. The thing about A-Rod is this. Great numbers, Cameron Diaz Cade Hudson you know this model that model a couple of weird choices like like the inventor of Yahoo like looks like a librarian at like a bad school in Ohio um for me ultimately now he's with J-Lo which is like a crest that's like like a like a crowning jewel so everybody's like you got to put him in the stick man thing and i say this i treat the stick man hall of fame the same way i would treat the baseball hall of fame you don't get in there with any asterisks his greatest work a rod's greatest

work he was under the influence of phd's so to answer the peds ands. PEDs. And PhDs. PhDs and PEDs. So for me, when people ask me, is A-Rod a stick man? I say, unfortunately, no. Just like I wouldn't let Sammy Sosa or Barry Bonds into the Baseball Hall of Fame. A-Rod, unfortunately, you're not getting into the Stickman Hall of Fame because some of your greatest work, you were under the influence of PEDs I think a couple there's a couple indicators that would help

with this I'm not saying this is your thing I'm not telling you you should think this way you're with me I'm with you I'm on the board

when you have the board meeting once a year I have ideas yes I think one of the factors should be if my wife or girlfriend

was over served by one drink and I had to leave the party or the dinner or whatever, would I let this person drive them home? And explain why. Because a true stick man, you would... A true stick man is just, they can't, they're going to step in. No.

Bill Quinton, no, Bill Quinton, Bill Quinton's driving your drunk girlfriend home. There could be a problem. He's a stick man. He's going to step in. But you know who's not going to step in? Who? Jeter.

They've got better things to do. But that's why I think it's one question. DiCaprio's not going to step in? No, DiCaprio's not going to step in. Even Warren Beatty's not going to step in. There's two types. Yeah, you're right. Maybe I'm wrong on this.

You know why? Because I was thinking there's two types of stick men. There's a gentleman-ness. There's a gentleman-liness. I'm wrong. I rescind. I rescind the question. But that's a fantastic.

See, that right there, though, is what it's all about. That's what we talk about in the board meetings. That's exactly what I was like. You could go left or right. People that could seem like they should be on the list. Right. That they're not. All right.

So I inadvertently stumbled into the right discussion. So if you so jeter would drive the jeter would drive drive my drunk girlfriend home yep not do anything no but that would also plant the seed for down the road yep she'd be like that guy is class yep it would work in his favor it works in his favor that he treated the situation with class now if you were sending a rod home with your drunk girlfriend, he might take a crack. That's why he's not a stickman.

Period. Yeah. Period. There it is right there. Did we ever talk about JFK Jr. with this discussion? Consummate. I mean, one of the stealth, stealth consummate stickmen ever.

You never knew what he was up to. Fantastic coxsman. Men and women were sad at his passing because the work that he did in New York City, pre-cell phone, pre-social media, incredible stick, man. Did you hold it against him that he would run in Central Park with no shirt on? Love it.

It seemed like kind of aggressive. I know. Okay. I didn't feel like, I felt like he was just like, it might have been a tinge aggressive, but I just felt like it was just like it was what it was. Like it is what it is. Would you put Drake on this list?

Yes. Up and coming young stick man. Fantastic. Young stick man. A lot of potential. Great. Best stick man years are ahead of him. From Canadian, half black, half Jewish.

This is a very unique, yes, putting a lot of work, great work under the radar. Sometimes lets his feelings get the better of him, which works against you when it comes to music. Uses his music to kind of work out some of his stickman feelings. Yes. Yes. See, that to me is an asterisk against him.

I agree Cause he's almost Too transparent About His feelings about How certain things Have gone down Romanically in his life

Some people I don't feel like Jeter Would play that No Jeter moves on Jeter moves on Business like Next one

I agree So we have to see How he's still young He's still getting used To the fame You know Using his feelings Getting the best from

Some people call that A sucker for love Ass trick I don't use that term For him He's still young. He's still getting used to the fame. You know, using his feelings, getting the best from some people would call that a sucker for love-ass trick. I don't use that term for him. Great stick man, apparently Rihanna, J-Lo, and Serena Williams. We're talking about like, that's like Mount Rushmore. Those are just some of the three we know about. So I had this question too, and I think it's a good one, and I think you know you

should think about this as you build the stickman hall of fame are there female stickmen and if there are isn't madonna like the the gold standard here she's she would be the gold standard but it's a messy gold standard she's a mess she was a mess in her prime she's a mess now so you don't really want her representing that but if there are madonna would be that person yes uh in her prime she would drive around the east village and pick up you know hot you know dudes off the street but again that's that's the turn yo that's real she'd drive around a limousine to be like yo you know she was getting it in so but but the fact that she's not doing it yeah it happened just like just like the ty lu thing happened you think i'm just making this thing up ty lu said that's the hardest job you think i'm just like if i was that creative bill you think i'd be doing this shit i'd be like

fucking like be writing star wars movies if i had this kind of creativity. So yes, Madonna would be sort of the person, but it's... So like Kate Hudson's taking down a lot of lead singers. She's taking, yeah, she's more of it. She's a lot of musicians. She would be more of it. A lot of musicians and actors. She seems to have a sort of grace about it. She seems to be comfortable with it and it doesn't be like you're not, like you don't judge her.

Who's the premier hip hophop stick man right now drake okay gotta be drake and he's got drake is drake yo drake has got impressive stats he just needs to get his feelings under wraps i've seen drake in action live at the i've seen've seen Drake as a stick man in action. How was it work like? It was memorable. Where'd you see him at? Like an award show or something? It was a post, post, post party I was at once.

He puts it in. It's tough, man. It was definitely one of those things where I was like, I'm keeping my wife by my side. Wow. Yeah. Wow. It's tough, man. It was definitely one of those things where I was like, I'm keeping my wife by my side. Wow. Yeah. Wow. It's tough, man.

That dude, it's Drake. No, he's no joke. Yeah. He's no joke. I mean, you know. Well, now that Leo's won the Oscar, I wonder how this plays out for him. It just keeps going. It just keeps going.

Hopefully it doesn't end the way it ended for Warren Beatty. That was the downfall of a great stick man. Like his whole life, like there's a generation of people that will only know him for the incident at the Oscars. And I was very adamant on social media. I was like, how dare you criticize it? Do you know the groundwork that this man did? Do you know what this guy,, he set the tone before Jack, before all,

I mean, he was out there, he set the numbers. He raised the fucking bar. And for him to be shamed like that at the Oscars wasn't a good look for truly Hollywood's consummate stick man. You know, and the bummer was,

it was very similar. I said this before in a pod. It was very similar to Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson. Faye Dunaway was Justin Timberlake in this scenario. Warren Beatty was Janet Jackson. It became his fault that La La Land was red. He held the envelope, could barely see, couldn't understand, was confused,

gave it to Faye Dunaway who just saw it and blurted it out. Yep. No different than Timberlake ripping the nipple cover off. I agree. I agree. And everyone just pointed the finger at him. But then he came back two minutes later, even tried to apologize, and it was just still like he was stepping in his own vomit

and stepping in his dog's's own shit and it was a terrible way uh for him to be represented because people forget about the blue eyes and the hair and just the jawline and the chin and everything like that and everything that he did in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s i had i was gonna have something something was going to read you about Warren Beatty. I was talking about somebody who's on the set with him on Ishtar. Uh-huh. And Warren Beatty had stepped in with somebody who didn't seem like the typical person he would step in with. Uh-huh.

And the person asked him, why? Why that one? What's your modus operandi? Uh- and from the book it said why he was thinking he was searching for the right words huh because you never know that's it right there Warren Beatty he didn't know no everybody was fair game to him because you just never know you never know who was gonna Yeah. How dare they disrespect him. That wasn't his fault. What he did... This is like a great, great, great coxswain. You're feuding with ESPN.

Not ESPN. Okay. Dan Lebitard. Well, you're not on ESPN anymore. Nah, it's not true. It ain't over till it's over. When was the last time you were on ESPN? TV?

About two months ago I don't know what I'm on You're gonna make me like You're gonna make me like Really be not on ESPN I'm not gonna do anything Levitard's my friend Why?

I've been friends with him for ten years I don't like him Do you know what the whole thing happened? Can we solve it right now? Well I tried to The way that whole thing The whole Levitard thing happened was he had sent out a tweet about Magic Johnson not being, what's the word he used? Not being, basically didn't have the credentials to run a basketball team.

I saw that. Didn't deserve, what was the word he used? Didn't, wasn't worthy, didn't deserve to run a basketball team. I saw that. Didn't deserve, what was the word he used? Didn't, wasn't worthy, didn't deserve to run a basketball team. And it was, so it first started out, and I was like.

I was so, I gotta say, I was surprised that he made that play. I did not agree with that, Stan. But it's fucking opinion. I had an opinion on his opinion. So at first, so first,

so then I had tweeted, I've never met LeBretard. So then I had tweeted out. He's a good man. man okay i think he's got like some race issues too so so then i said i said well if if he's not worthy to run a basketball team your father maybe not be worthy to be on a television show i just want to point out that on wednesday i had my father on a podcast who has just as many credentials as uh as levitard's dad your father's on a podcast who has just as many credentials as Levitard's dad. Your father's on a podcast, not on a TV show

every single day. And the comparison was just like but at first it was just like Alright, so I get it. You're saying like how can you question Magic's credentials like look in the mirror? Your father's on a show and how many times are you going to have him misquote rap lyrics

and everybody's laughing because he's doing it in broken English? It's basically like if you're going to say that he doesn't have the credentials to run the Lakers, I say your father doesn't have the credentials to be on a TV show. But it wasn't as crass as that. Okay. One of his producers started talking shit. So we were going back and forth.

So he said something about, oh, well, your career, this. I don't even remember what he said. And then it was like I was going, well, I don't know who the fuck you are, but if I met you, you're the guy who gets me coffee. So I kept calling him a coffee maker. I said, you're the guy who when I show up to do Leopard Show, you shake my hand and you say, hello, Mr. Rapport, can I get you something to drink that's

what i was saying i said so don't say a word i don't know who this guy is so that then it was going into so somebody posted a picture i think i had this thing they were saying you have herpes because i had this like sore on my chin yeah you have herpes oh i don't have herpes motherfucker and then it was going into all this other thing, your career this, your career that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was over Oscar weekend. And I had actually reached out to people, because it was getting like a lot of Twitter, like you're this, you're that, you're this.

I don't know. And they were basically taking pot shots from the grassy knoll, because I don't know who his producers are. I know that they would get me coffee if I met them. And they probably wouldn't make long-lasting eye contact if I met them also. So then I had reached out to ESPN over the weekend because I was like, yo, this is,

I saw where it was going. I said, yo, I never met Lebitard, but if he wants to talk about this off-air, we could talk about it off air, or I could call into the show Monday morning and we could banter and it'll go away. But if they talk shit on the radio

Monday morning, there's going to be a problem. So Monday morning, Levitard, John Wiener, goes by the name of Stugatz. I love Stugatz. May or may not hate Italians. No. He's mocking name of... Stugatz. Stugatz. I love Stugatz. May or may not hate Italians. No. He's mocking Italians with that?

No. Stugatz? Stugatz's a good guy. Stugatz's a good guy. I'm going to defend all these guys. Okay. Well, if you heard what they were saying about me, you wouldn't defend them. Who is he saying this?

He thinks he's black. His career this. His career that. He's racist. He loves black people so much he made a Tribe Called Quest documentary. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Dissing me on national radio. Dissing me.

Inappropriate popping shit. And the coffee getters. And then the next, so I went on Twitter. And I did a little video and I shitted on him. And then the next day day I invented the podcast diss track 42 minutes of flames shitting all over the cupcake kid

aka the beignet bandit John Wiener the Long Island Jew I'm Jewish hates Italians you said you said he hates Italians that's what the Stugatz thing I don't like any of this let's just squash it now yo I tried to

they wanted to keep I reached out and I said to the producers I said yo I will call in or I will speak to Levitard off air and he said

oh he's begging to get on the show I'm not begging to get on your fucking show well you were on 17 ESPN shows at that point but I was like

I almost thought you had your own show every time I looked on it was like like you and Steven Jackson looking at shoes. Maybe if I had my own show, they wouldn't be firing my man Ed Werder and all that shit. Maybe things- Ed Werder gets fired. He was out there in below nine degree weather. I'm in Philadelphia.

There was blizzards and shit. Then they get rid of this guy. So that was the thing. But I haven't been on the ESPN just because he said, Lebertor was like blizzards and shit then they get rid of this guy so that was the the the thing but i haven't been on the espn just because he said uh lebertos like well you know you got to look at how much stake or how much uh you know value somebody has uh um you know at espn like he basically told them yo this person shouldn't be on espn and and i think you know like and right now i'm suspended or not. I don't even know what I am.

You've been uninvited. I've been uninvited, but not officially uninvited. So I don't think it's going anywhere. I saw Matthew Modine on The Jump last night. Really? No, I didn't. Okay. I think you have your own little corner.

You're an actor who can go on sports shows. I don't know who else jumps takes that corner from you no one else takes that corner from me i mean there's other people that could talk about sports but in regards to the levitard thing i just think that and so that's that's how it i don't know this whole thing is just perplexing to me ask him ask him but the dope thing about it kind of shit levitard hates though ask that fat motherfucker what he, keep it, no Bill, please keep this in,

ask that fat fuck, ask that motherfucker what it is because I reached out to them and I was like, ask him, ask him.

Alright, I'm gonna ask him. He's my friend. Get him on the air. Can we call him? Get that fat fucking, get John Wiener, get those motherfuckers,

get their producers and ask them. You're really mad about this. I was mad because when they're saying things, my wife was mad because you're saying things like, you have herpes. I'm an actor. I don't have fucking herpes. So if you're saying I have herpes and I'm saying, no, I don't have

herpes, basically, you're fucking with my livelihood. That's like defamation. If I'm an actor, I'm kissing kids. I have a show. You're kissing kids? Don't do i have i have you know kissing kids i have kids that play don't do that i have children that play my my my my children my kid i have actors that play my kids on the show i'm kissing them hi son hi daughter i have my wife jennifer jason lee if i'm kidding and i'm like filling out forms that say that and then they're saying i'm racist the

whole thing is just bullshit and i'm just saying like Dan Lebitard is a wannabe Howard Stern. The show is weak. The show is weak. His takes are weak. Miami sports are weak. And I'm racist and all this shit. Tate, what do we do? Keep it in.

Yo, you can keep it in. Bill, why would you take it out? He went on his radio show on national radio and talked shit. If you take this out, that's not fair. I said this all to their face. I said this all on the radio. Let's move on. You made your point. I still feel awkward because I like all those guys.

I wish this would work out. Reach out to them. It seems like there's been too much damage. I mean, two minutes ago you called him a fat fuck. Fat fuck. Talentless. Come on. And you know what the best thing about it is? Levitard's a good guy. damage i mean two minutes ago you called him a fat fuck i don't know fat fuck talentless come on come on and you know what the best thing about it is levitard's a good guy but let me just explain you oh this is the best part about it but keep this in there the best part about it is because

they work for espn and they're like you know there's bodies being thrown into the dumpsters left and right of the espn they haven't said shit since then because see i i i don't't, like, the whole thing with me going on ESPN, I love doing it, and my whole thing with going on sports shows, I love doing it. But it's like going to ceramics class. It's like going to, like, photography. Like, I love doing it, but it's like, it's not my living. They haven't been able to say shit because I think probably the people at ESPN were like, don't say anything back.

That's the beauty of it. Like, he thinks he's so rogue and he thinks he's so like you know out there but then he he hasn't said shit about it because i know they said you know don't respond because basically it was like espn employee we're talking shit about an espn employee but you haven't been on since nope dan le He's a good guy. Poppy. He's really good on TV, Poppy. Do you see ESPN with this whole direction of kind of takes? It's a day of takes. It's at least two people looking at each other, throwing takes at each other.

Not much different than what we're doing now, but it seems like a more... There's something I don't like about it. My thing with sports stuff. There's a soullessness to the day-to-day grind of it that I'm not a huge fan of. And it's not just ESPN, because I like ESPN. My whole thing, I fuck with ESPN. I love all the people.

I love Beatle. I love Rachel Nichols, Carrie Champion, Jamal. I love them. They've all been great. My thing with ESPN is just levitard. So please keep that in there. But the thing about sports takes and sports, you know, sort of commentary is that when you're sitting at home watching a game or you're in your car in traffic listening to a game, you got your finger up your nose. You got your Starbucks.

You might have a cheeseburger, smoking this, smoking that. And you're sitting there in a pair of basketball shorts. If that, you might be balls naked and a t-shirt. But yet everybody's fully dressed, fully made up and in suits. And I think it's not the Wall Street Journal. It's not CNN. It's not Fox News. It's not MSNBC.

It's sports. And even like the basketball nerds, it's like cnn it's not fox news it's not msnbc it's it's sports and and even like the basketball nerds it's like the analytics of it all it's like how many it's like it's like and there's so many of these guys are trying to like out stat each other i hate it that i don't like that it's like enough with the stats it's like when you're sitting there playing ball you're playing three everyone's on a historic pace you're by the way you're on a historic pace for f bombs in this podcast oh do we not give the precursor to the

the little kids aren't listening afterwards we'll do the precursor Leah you'll do like please cover your ears after we finish this yeah yeah they know

they don't know we gotta do it again let me tell you something Bill one of the things that in the most in like a year and a half you know people come up to me they recognize you

they'll say consistently especially in Nework all the time they'll just straight up say to me when are you going to be on simmons again i love you on simmons nice when are you going to be on simmons again and as if this is a performance i'm like that's just me i look like they're like i loved your performance on bill simmons i'm like that's performance yeah'm like, that's just 24-7. So people come up to me all the time and say that to me. And I'm like, but I'm also an actor.

They're like, no, no, no, no, no. I love you on Simmons. Before we go, can you give us one story that you haven't given us before? I'm going to go through your IMDb. An acting thing? Yeah, something from all these people. I can tell you this. The big three thing

I had a great story down there oh yeah you're gonna be what are you gonna be I'm the roving reporter of the big three okay

the big three is the tournament that Ice Cube put together professional basketball league look at have you seen your IMDB photo

you look like you're about to murder people that's a good picture that's a good picture that's a good picture yeah you look like you're filming the Jeffrey Dahmer story.

It's good. I want to keep people on their toes. But I'm the roving reporter. By the way, you're a hypocrite because you were in a TV series called Boston Public for four years. Paid so well. You dissed Boston. Paid so well. Took those Boston checks.

We shot it in Manhattan Beach. Don't get me fucking twisted, man. Paid so well it was a local job I just had my first kid I liked the show good time David E. Kelly Boston guy and we shot it in Manhattan Beach here are the choices

you can give us a story about I love that I got choices Nick Cage or Caruso in Kiss of Death you can give us a story about anyone from the I love that I got choices. Nick Cage or Caruso in Kiss of Death. You can give us a story about anyone from the cast of Deep Blue Sea, including Sam Jackson. Or you can give us a story about Brendan Fraser in The Scout. No stories on him. Or anyone on True Romance. Were you working with Christian Slater?

Was Christian Slater on off the wagon during True Romance that's a good question I think that Christian Slater was if he was on the wagon you couldn't tell he didn't like me

he didn't like acting with me and he had a right to not like me because I didn't know sort of the technicalities of film acting at the time

yeah and like when we were we were doing scenes together, and I was trying to, I didn't understand, I was trying to be helpful off camera, and I was improv-ing with him off camera. He didn't want that. Well, nobody would want it.

He was right to be frustrated with me. And at the time, I was like, fuck you. What the fuck, man? You think you're so fucking cool? Fuck, what was that, Baboon Hart movie? Baboon Hart? Untamed Hart. Fuck Untamed Hart, man.

I saw that in the theater. Yeah, I was like, you know, I'm from New York. I saw that on a date. Yeah. With your wife or another chick? No, no, somebody I was dating at the time. I like that. Side piece.

And we were laughing. No, this was way before my wife. We were laughing during the ending and we got scolded. That's what I remember about that movie. Because he dies at the end. Yeah. But in my head I was like, what that movie. Because he dies at the end. Yeah. So, but in my head, I was like, what was the other movie? Pump Up the Volume was fucking fake ass Jack Nicholson.

That's great. Pump Up the Volume, that predicted the entire podcast industry. Good point. Yeah, it did. It laid it all out. But we were at the amusement park scene. And I was off camera, which means he was having his close-up and i'm on the side of the camera throwing my lines at him i don't remember what the lines were and he was like

god damn it just give me the fucking line and in my head i was like fuck you man you fucking trying to fucking diss me you know like i was bitch motherfucker fucking from new york i don't play that shit i'm not no fucking actor i'll fuck, la, la. And because I wasn't doing it correctly, because you're not supposed to do that. Because if I'm throwing all these improv lines off camera, and I've already shot my side of it, it throws off the... Yeah, yeah.

Can't do it. You can't do it. And he was like, fuck, god damn it, just give me the fucking line. But I was embarrassed. And I also didn't know what I was doing wrong, because that was only my third or fourth movie right tony scott loved it so when we did the roller coaster scene you know the road like where we were actually on the roller coaster

i confronted him not like i wanted to fight him but i was like yo man you fucking what the fuck like you got a problem with me like what you know like let me know and he he explained it to me and i was i didn't understand it still then like we were like cool and i was like i'm sorry i didn't understand and he was like oh but like i was ready to fight christian slater and the set of truth in my head i was you're like you got like five inches taller than him right i got you're like a minus 400 favorite in that fight yes but i was totally wrong in terms of like he had a right to do it i just felt like him screaming at me like it embarrassed me so that was my but he was totally wrong in terms of like he had a right to do it i just felt like him screaming at me like it embarrassed me so that was my but he was totally cool so now you see him it's good

long handshake five step handshake all of it like it was good it was good then he was right i was wrong but at the time i just didn't under i didn't understand the technicalities of film acting and i just didn't like the way he did it and he probably assumed i was doing it i don't know what he assumed but i was i was i I don't know what he assumed, but he was right for being frustrated. Brad Pitt? I don't like what his ex-wife is trying to do to him. Oh, I'm just saying Brad Pitt back then.

Cool as shit. Good weed? Did he have weed? Yeah, he had weed. Laid back. Calm. Told like the whole Honey Bear Bong thing with James Gandolfini, all Brad Pitt. That character was seven lines.

Maybe ten, literally seven or eight, nine, ten lines. Rifted all, showed up to the set in wardrobe, dirty, dingy, was dating Juliette Lewis. They had just done California. She had just done Natural Born Killers. They were like the it cool sort of alternative you know gonna blow up

couple coolest shit nice dude friendly to everybody and you knew this was like right after Thelma Louise and before

the Robert Redford movie you just knew he was like you knew he was he was like you know sort of Giannis now like you know

this guy's special did you know in 93 that's like one of the future Hall of Fame stick men we have? Yeah. He already put in work at that point. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yo, the guy, when you're up on him, it's Brad Pitt.

Yeah. Like, there's no question about those blue eyes and that jawbone, the hair. He had the long hair. What was it on Golden? Not on Golden Pond. What was the, T Pond what was the Tate what was the Robert Redford movie

that he did oh the fishing movie the fishing movie so he had that look going but remember he had that weird like sort of Fabio blonde hair right like people were dropping

like they'd walk by him and like they'd need to be resuscitated right keep the girlfriend away from Brad Pitt yeah but cool as shit alright that's good

I was once in an Oscar party with Brad Pitt this is when he cool as shit. I was once at an Oscar party with Brad Pitt. This is when he was single. Ah. I swear to God, I saw a whole room shift as he went from one place to the other. Like a pack of women. I swear, I saw it with my own eyes.

I was at the bar with him. We walked from the bar to the front of the club. Yeah. The whole fucking place, whole the whole thing shifted it was literally like a whole section of people followed him all girls

all dimes all in skirts and he just was like oblivious to it that's like easy pickings for him we have to wrap it up big three

when does that start starts the 26th on FS1 I'm the roving reporter I got to meet Dr. J and I asked him when does that start? Starts the 26th On FS1 I'm the roving reporter I got to meet Dr. J And I asked him When does it start? 26th

June 26th June 26th It's gonna be dope Competitive Physical Charles Oakley Had to break up a fight During the practice games

This weekend At the Draft Combine I saw it with my own eyes The Draft Combine? The Draft Combine Yo Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf Formerly Chris Jackson.

Oh, you love him. Love him. That was one of our old 30 for 30 ideas we never did. I think I want to try to get that going. What did you call it? Chris Jackson X? No, aka Chris Jackson. Aka Chris Jackson.

That was a good idea. Got to meet Dr. J. I was emceeing the draft. I mean, that's... Outer body experience. Mount Rushmore stick man. Got to put my hand up to his hand. The hands of life.

I tried to squeeze it at him. I tried to catch him off guard. I asked him, what was Larry Bird, the most famous white person with no lips, saying to you that day? Please just tell us all. He wouldn't tell me.

He would not tell me. What prompted... 42 tell me what what prompted 42 to 6 is what prompted that one bird at 42 doc at 6 he was talking shit doc didn't like it as he should he almost got his fucking neck choked off he told moses and barkley to grab him so he could just punch him defenseless for 10 seconds yeah well lucky wasn't worse well you can come back on before that starts i'm gonna squash this squash this Levitar thing. I don't like it. I'm squashing it. No, don't say anything else.

Wait, you're going to squash it or squash it from the podcast? No, I'm going to squash. I'm not going to allow this anymore. It's over. I'm squashing it. Squash it? All right. Basically, Magic Johnson got me kicked off ESPN.

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