The Bill Simmons Podcast - NBA Craziness Plus the Return of Desus and Mero | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 356)

Episode Date: April 23, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons talks about a captivating NBA Playoffs first round (2:24) before sitting down with Viceland's Desus and Mero to discuss Yankees-Red Sox, Uber drivers, Kobe Bryant, The Knicks (of course), making TV shows, and getting to the bottom of the beef with The Breakfast Club's DJ Envy (18:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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John Gonzalez, they broke down everything that happened in the NBA playoffs. Check that out as well. And don't forget to check out theringer.com this week. Especially Monday morning, we should be breaking down

a bunch of the stuff that happened in the playoffs and a whole bunch of other things. Coming up, I taped a long interview with our old friends Dazis and Mero. They've been on before. Yankee fans. That's all right. We talked about that earlier. We get that out of the way. And a whole bunch of other stuff. It's an interview we taped on Friday afternoon.

It's pretty evergreen. We're going to get to them in a second. I'm going to talk NBA playoffs right at the top and then that interview. But first, our friends from Pro Jam. All right. It is late Sunday night, West Coast time. Wanted to wait a little bit to see what happened this weekend before we ran the Desi Samara interview. NBA playoffs. I watched four games today. I watched a lot of basketball this week. Weekend.

The big winners. The Philadelphia 76ers. Holy mackerel. Man, did they show us what we needed to see. Unbelievable. Lay the smack down. Super feisty game. Miami is really good. They might be like the sixth best team in the playoffs. Didn't matter. Philly laid the smack down. Ben Simmons, huge, huge, awesome dunk. 199, I think with a minute left. Comes in, two-handed jam. It was kind of a moment. Philly looks like Joe Haas, Cousin Sal and I,

we bet Philly on 7-1 to win the East a few weeks ago. And I think the odds are now drifting toward, I don't know, plus 150, something like that. If I had to bet my life on a team to make the East, I think it's Philly. I've felt that way this whole series. Just they're passing every checkpoint we wanted to see from them. Pretty impressive.

They've been the big winners. I think Indiana could have been the big winners. Boy, did they blow the game tonight. Game four, they had it. They just could not survive a terrible game by Victor Oladipo. Five for 20 for him. That was brutal. They had the Cavs.

They had the lead. They're home, four minutes left. Had them on the ropes and just could not close it. I still feel like that series is going to go seven, but I think they might've blown their chance with this. They could still win in Cleveland. I think Cleveland can lose any playoff game at any point, but man, that was one that got away. They could have been up 3-1. And it felt

like if Cleveland lost that game, I do think there would have been some implosion potential. So that was too bad on the one hand, if you wanted to see a cleaner path for Philly to get to the finals. But on the other hand, looks like we're going to have seven games there. It looks like we're going to have seven games with Milwaukee- looks like we're going to have seven games with Milwaukee, Boston. An incredible comeback by the Celtics today. Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, a combined age of 41 years old. And they just, they rallied the Celtics back. Looked like they were going to win. They got a tough non-call on Jalen Brown getting stripped with 40 seconds left. And then Giannis made a big boy play for the winning rebound putback. Giannis was great. It took Milwaukee two solid games to realize which guys to play. So that was an advantage for Boston.

The other one is Utah looks like they are seizing control of that OKC series. OKC just is a mess. The offense looked awful. They just looks like it might be a bad matchup for them. Gobert takes away all the drives to the basket. I wonder what's going to happen. There's some balls in the air with the offseason now because you look at OKC, and if they lose in five or they lose in six or however it plays out, it's hard to imagine Paul George staying,

and that is a disaster for OKC for all the obvious reasons. Then you look at Cleveland. If Indiana is somehow able to rally back and knock them off, it's hard to imagine LeBron staying there. It just seems like there's a lot of things in the air, even more so than usual coming out of this round one. Really some new teams coming in, some old teams that might be getting pushed out.

I cannot wait to see how that plays out. I would say if I had to bet my life on it right now, I'd probably bet on Golden State and Philly would be my pick. But it's not like Golden State's playing that great either. If you look at the West, the teams that are playing the best right now are New Orleans and Utah. Houston, defensively, seems like they have taken a step back. Now, you could say it's Luke Mbamute, him not being there.

Maybe that hurts a little bit, but it's, it just, they don't look that crisp defensively. They haven't looked that good for about five weeks here. Golden State, Curry's probably not coming back till round three. They said that's a six week injury.

So you have the New Orleans, Golden State set up. New Orleans, the only thing with them is they might lose a little momentum with, with just having a week off. They've been playing so well, really peaking at the perfect time. And now they don't get to play a game here for probably till next weekend. And then other than that, Toronto, Washington looks like that's going

at least six or seven. This is a great, great, great first round. It reminds me, I was telling Chris Ryan, I saw Chris Ryan today. It reminds me of the 1993 playoffs in a lot of ways. The 1993 playoffs, if you remember, it was Jordan versus Barkley in the finals. But it had a lot of parallels to what's going on now, where you had a lot of young teams and young guys that we were kind of counting on to take that generation, that decade, that were just starting to look like the future of the league. So back in 93, it was LJ and Alonzo Mourning on Charlotte.

You had Hakeem was in his prime. David Robinson was almost in his prime. Those teams had kind of taken off. Portland was starting to fade off. The Lakers were starting to fade off. The Celtics, the Pistons. And there was this new blood that was coming in the league. Even a team like New Jersey had Derek Coleman and Kenny Anderson. were starting to fade off, the Celtics, the Pistons. And there was this new blood that was coming in the league.

Even a team like New Jersey had Derek Coleman and Kenny Anderson. Cleveland was looking like a potential juggernaut. Orlando was a year away. Indiana was probably a year away. The Riley Knicks were in there. But it was just this really nice blend of guys that were in their primes and a bunch of young guys that seemed like they were about to make the leap. I think the biggest one was Seattle. That was the Kemp-Payton team that for the first time really made a run.

They went all the way to the Western Finals. They lost in seven to Phoenix. But it just was a really special playoffs. And this is what this is starting to feel like because you have all these young guys that have never really been in a big spot before, like Giannis, Anthony Davis, the Utah guys. There's one more. Who's, oh, Philadelphia and Ben Simmons and Embiid. And it's, these are, these guys are the future of the league,

but then you have the old holdovers. You have LeBron, you have Westbrook, you have Harden, you have Durant and Curry. And that's always when the NBA, in my opinion, is at its best. When you have the guys in their prime, the guys at the tail end of their prime, like LeBron, and then this new wave of dudes coming in and everything just kind of goes at it. And, you know, it really has a chance to be a special playoffs, especially if Philly's for real. And if Philly can keep it going. Philly lucks out next round. They get the winner in Milwaukee and Boston.

I think they would be heavily favored in either of those series. And then Toronto and Cleveland have to play in round two, and they're going to skip one of those teams. Toronto has not looked great, and I think Philly has to be the favorite right now. It's amazing to say that. They're so young. Who knows if they could stay healthy for a couple more rounds,

but Philly is in the driver's seat in the East. It's incredible. And at home, they have, I would say, a top three home court. Right now, I'd say Philly. I would say Utah. And strangely, New Orleans, just because New Orleans has had such bad crowds, but finally they had good crowds, they had sellouts, and it really seemed to invigorate the Pelicans.

I think the Pelicans are for real too. Without Curry, I think that's going to be quite a series. I don't think New Orleans could beat Golden State, but they might have the best player in the series. You could say Anthony Davis is the best player in the league right now. If you told me that, I wouldn't really be able to argue it. So great series all the way around. But they might have the best player in the series. You could say Anthony Davis is the best player in the league right now. If you told me that, I wouldn't really be able to argue it. So great series all the way around.

Really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. I think the biggest shocker for me is just how bad OKC has been in these playoffs. And the fact that they lost in five last year, it's looking like they could lose in five or six this year. And at that point, you really have to start looking at what you have, especially if Paul George leaves. I tweeted this weekend, Rob Poenka and Magic Johnson, I think, are the most excited about how this Utah series is going, other than Utah fans.

Because if this ends badly, Paul George, it seems like he's going to leave. And odds are he's coming home. He's coming to the Lakers. That's been rumored for a year. The Lakers are in this weird position where they might have Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, and LeBron to choose from if the Kawhi thing plays out a certain way. We'll see. Amazing. Plus, we have the lottery coming up.

This could be one of the tumultuous three-week stretches we've had in the league where just a lot of balls are in the air and it's hard to predict where things are going. point because you lose your two best players plus Marcus Smart and even having the chance to get to round two is incredible. But the strides that Brown and Tatum have made has been the silver lining of this season. And then this rookie class we have with Simmons and Tatum and Mitchell, all three of whom are better than any rookie we had last year. Really great times, great times for the league. I think people get a little celebratory with the NBA these days. I think that's been a lot of the Twitter and a lot of the journalism and stuff like that. We're guilty with some of that at the ringer. But at the same time, it's really, really, really hard

not to be super-duper excited about where the NBA is right now if you love the league. It's as star-studded and as talent-laden as we've seen in some times. Even a guy like Donovan Mitchell, who isn't even one of the best 25 players in the league, and is somebody who's winning playoff games. Drew Holiday, who's been in the league nine years. Nobody's really been having Drew Holiday conversations,

and now he looks like a guy who should have been a third-team All-NBA. So good times all around. I'm really excited to see how the rest of this week plays out. And I am prepared for anything. I did feel like, I got to say, LeBron, even though he's been awesome in these four games, there does seem to be a little, I guess the word would be detached.

He's doing his business. He's doing everything he needs to do on the court. I wouldn't say he's doing a lot of leading. I wouldn't say he's doing a lot of inspiring. I wouldn't say he's doing a lot of inspiring. It's kind of like, I'm going to do all my part. You guys better show up. It's like leadership by intimidation. But today it was Corver hitting shots in game four tonight, I should say.

But, you know, they need that second guy. They don't have that Kyrie to come in and take the burden off LeBron. LeBron played the entire second half today. He's carrying a crazy workload. And he's carrying a workload that in year 15 of somebody's NBA career, we've just never seen. We've never even fathomed. So at some point he's going to need help

from the guys on the team. He got help from tonight from Korver, but when you're talking about four rounds, it starts to get a little dicey. They have a lot of dudes who have never really been in big games before. And it's funny how much they're relying on J.R. Smith, who is one of the all-time trick-or-treat guys and is one of the strangely reliable guys on this team, even though statistically it doesn't add up. And the eye test, it's not like you ever think J.R. Smith is going to be a dominant basketball player. But I think LeBron is hitting this point where it's like, who can I trust?

I trust Kyle Korver. I trust Kevin Love. I trust J.R. Smith. And then everyone else on that team is, you just don't know where you're getting. So good times all around. I still feel like Philly is the team to beat. And I've been knocked out by those guys. And especially Simmons,

who we've talked about a lot in this podcast the last couple of weeks, but really, really seems like he has a chance to be special. Like top 20 all time special is the ceiling for him. Now. I think the stuff he's doing as a rookie and the confidence he has and the FU edge that he has, which has to be because he's Australian, really unusual for a rookie.

He's just, Miami's trying to get in his head and he just, he's ready for it. He loves it. He doesn't care. That whole team just has a swagger to them that I think, you know, you really need. And there's a cutthroat attitude to them that I think we're going to see in game five, because I think they're going to close out Miami in game five. I think Dwayne Wade sees it. Dwayne Wade complimented them after the game about how impressed he's been by their edge and stuff, which to me was in a way, a little bit of a white flag. Like I think he sees the writing on the

wall, but you look at the cutthroatness, if that is even a word, that they've used in these playoffs compared to a team like Golden State that clearly something's wrong and I don't really know what it is other than they don't lay the smack down when they have to. Today's a game where just go into San Antonio and sweet them. Take care of business. You have the three best players on the court, just take care of business. And they couldn't, they were behind the whole game and they just didn't look swept them and then we would have all this time off and we'd have time to think about new Orleans and figure out when Curry can come back on us.

Now they have to win a game five against San Antonio delays, everything by 48 hours opens up injury risk for game five. It's the kind of stuff that a really good team doesn't do. You know, Houston I think has a little bit less of an excuse because Minnesota played really well in game three. And I don't think they saw that coming, but you know,

Houston has their own issues on defense, but the golden state thing is just strange state. They should be, they should sweep San Antonio 10 times out of 10. And they just did not take care of business. So the door is open. This is a, this is a wide open league right now.

And I don't think, I think people keep waiting for certain teams to turn off the on off switch. I just, I do not see it happening. Well, anyway, before we get to Desus Amaro, the captain will not rest until he has brought his adventurous spirit and delicious rum to every corner of America. Original spice, coconut, pineapple, white, black grapefruit, whatever you want. The captain loves anyone who learns to mix like a captain. What would you, Nephew Kyle, what would you pick if you could have any Captain Morgan right now?

It's a regular captain. Regular captain. Absolutely. Absolutely. No question. Kyle's a traditional guy. I'd probably do the coconut. I like mixing the coconut into my drinks every once in a while.

But anyway, we're picking a captain of the week during the playoffs. And for me this week, it's got to be Ben Simmons. The way he's running that team, the way he was able to carry them without Joel Embiid, and then still figure out how to have the same kind of impact with Embiid in the lineup. Embiid takes shots. You got to worry about him. You got to give him the ball. You got to keep him happy. And Simmons is just running the show. He has figured out the book on him has always been play off him, let him shoot. And that's a mistake because he'll just find cutters and he'll just find open dudes. And then Miami tried to pressure him. That worked in game two. That did not work as well over the game three and game four. And he really found his groove and he's really has a chance to be, once we talked about with House last week, we talked about some of the things he needs to add to his game. I'd like to see him add a more of a post game. He

needs to figure out when he's flying through fast break, doing like twisting, turning shots and stuff like that, just to be a little more consistent on making them. But you're picking a part, I'm picking a part, I should say, somebody who in his first year is so far ahead of the curve. And you just see the foundation of somebody that's going to be out of his mind in five years. I can't even imagine. Forget about adding the three-pointer. If he just adds a jump hook and a little floater and things like that,

he's going to be completely unstoppable. So he is my captain this week because he has, I think, him and Giannis and then Davis, obviously, who's already arrived. But you're talking about three guys who really have a chance to be generational players and guys that we remember 25 years from now, the same way I talked about the guys from 1993, Robinson, Hakeem. These guys have a chance to be Barkley, Gary Payton, and Sean Kemp. These guys have a chance to mean for these next eight to 10 years what those guys meant to that decade.

So Ben Simmons, you were my captain of the week. Let's do it. Let's get to Desus and Mero. We taped this on Friday. Here we go. All right. It's Friday afternoon, Los Angeles. Desus and Mero are back.

That's back. It's our one year anniversary of our last podcast. I went on your show. Wow, you did. It was such a beautiful circle of love and trust. I just admire both of you guys for having the balls

to come here when the Red Sox are 16-2 I just admire the balls of you for bringing up the record of the Red Sox

before May it was just tax day mid-April Red Sox fans and Mets fans they love April what's your record I don't even check

the record because how many games are left in the season over three digits worth right have you let's calm down

let's calm down we're not even a quarter of the way through the baseball season yet a lot could happen a lot could happen it's gonna hurt this whole year

is gonna hurt for both of you guys nah it's not gonna hurt it's not gonna hurt it's not gonna hurt the Red Sox are good this year. They're good,

but the Yankees... What year have you never heard a Red Sox fan say the Red Sox are good this year in April? I am a very self-aware Red Sox fan. The Red Sox are good this year.

No, you're not that self-aware because you were tweeting about the Yankees before the season even started. Well, it was fun to make fun of the Yankees. Yeah. So I feel like you

might be more obsessed with the Yankees than we are. We're kind of here chilling. I got worried about the Stanton thing, but then I watched him play for three weeks. Yeah, we have to. So I feel like you might be more obsessed with the Yankees than we are. We're kind of here chilling. I got worried about the Stanton thing, but then I watched him play for three weeks.

I'm not as worried. I mean, you know. Homer and Hit is going to some sports guy. You're the sports guy. You know that. He's a D-H. What I love,

people were just like. He's a D-H now. He doesn't like it. He likes being in the field. People were just like, he struck out five times in one game. And they were like,

oh, that's terrible. I'm like the idea that he came up to the plate five times in one game. Let's think about that. Let's look at the bigger picture here. He's spinning about that. Let's look at the bigger picture here. He's spinning a positive. Let's look at the big picture.

He had five at-bats. He had five at-bats. That means we're going. What happened? That means we're going for the water. We're going. People are getting on base. You know what I mean?

It's happening. Listen, we're old school. We're old school baseball people. We're looking at the long-term picture here, Bill. The Red Sox are good. So we had a fight. The Red Sox and Yankees had a fight. I like it.

I like it. Did I feel old school? It's good, man. I love when they fight. The judge was coming in kind of like the bouncer. Keep your hands off the dancers. What about CeCe with just the bulldozer move? Yo, shout out to CeCe for that. I felt that was a moment you look at Red Sox

and you're like, yeah, pal, you're back. The rivalry is back. Even now in baseball, people are like, what's the greatest rivalry in sports? You can't you look at Red Sox fans like yeah pal you're back yeah the rivalry is back because even now in baseball people are like what's the greatest rivalry in sports you can't even be like Red Sox Yankees

because it's not it's not anymore that's not what are you 04? no that's not a rivalry anymore we talked about this the last time

we had an awesome run with Red Sox Yankees and then it kind of died then they started trading players back and forth when they traded Ellsbury to the Yankees I was like

and we won a couple. You won an 0-9. All of a sudden, there was no bad blood. No bad blood. Listen, Bill, I picked that up. You picked that little dog whistle? That was a fact. We have not won since 0-9.

Has that stopped Red Sox fans from saying that we buy championships? No. No. It was very close. I mean, it was the first year of the Obama presidency. It wasn't that far away. It wasn't that far away. 0-9. Shout out to MVP, Derek Jeter.

We did not. Great trade. Do we have Twitter in 0-9 yet? I'm trying to think. What do we have? We did have Twitter in 0-9. We had just started Twitter. I remember I live tweeted D.

Obama year one. I live tweeted 0-9. Was Desperate Housewives still on the air in 0-9? I think so. It might have been. Kind of hadn't met Kim yet. I'm trying to think about that. Yeah, this is a long time ago.

A long time ago. I see what's going on. I'm just trying to say it. I mean, it's not a hundred years. Not a short amount of time. What was it? 1814? No, that was 1914.

No, 1918. Oh, sorry. You had to confirm it for me. So good fight. The Boston fans loved that Joe Kelly was at a Bruins playoff game like two days later.

They showed it on the thing, standing O. I feel like we're back. I really feel like this is going to be a good year. They have 16 games left, probably playoffs. And CeCe's really like, yo, fuck the Red Sox. I love that energy, bro. I was like, we need this back. You know what I mean?

Because what was happening before was the games were the games, but they were just mad long. There was no tension. There was no weirdness. Four and a half hour. There was just four and a half hour 32 inning games. Also,

shout out to Yankee fans and Red Sox for just being like, okay, this is right. Four hours. Yeah, that's cool. That's normal for a Red Sox-Yankee game.

I'm going to watch this entire, every pitch. Wait, how do you feel about speeding up the game? Do you feel these new rules they're thinking about doing? It still feels super long to me.

Yeah. What about the mound visits? How do you feel about those? Have you ever heard my rule about banning pickoff throws? No. That would be where I would start. I would just have a line. Eight feet over from first base, the runner can go there,

and that's it, and there's no pickoff throws. What do you think the pick off throw is more so like yo I'm watching you you know what I mean so like yeah but it does slow the game down

it does slow the game down it slows the game down and like how often do they pick someone off I mean you know what I'm saying when they do though

you'll be like yeah but the momentum of the game is off you know I understand that when they got rid of the intentional walk

and just like we're walking you go to first base yeah that was good yeah you think like that makes sense you don't have to watch the catcher go like this for four pitches but then again that takes away something from the game because you have to throw four straight balls which apparently i've watched it that's not as easy as it seems for some pitchers have you not seen people try to intentionally walk people and just cannot do it i could definitely that's more like yeah little league pony league no you've seen it in Major League. What's his name?

Vladimir once hit a... Oh, yeah, in the wall. That dude could hit anything. Yeah. Shot to the goal. Oh, yeah, the Lomia person? I already know. I think baseball's on its way back.

Not that it ever went away, but it does feel like the personalities are there this year. Yeah. And the Yankees have an identity this year. The Red Sox are good. Flip your bat. Ohtani's in Anaheim.

He's the thing. Yeah. Houston's going to win 130 games. It feels like we're kind of back in it now. I don't know. I'm talking American League. Yeah. The National League we don't talk about.

No, I'm talking about the American League. I need the American League to be good in my life. Yeah. At least the AL East. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not even worried about the rest of it. The AL East.

If the AL East is solid, I'm like, okay, I'm into it. It's us two. We kick the shit out of everybody else. You're a true AL East fan because you don't care anything about the NL, National League until the All-Star Game and then the World Series. That's it. That's literally it. I'm like, who are we playing in the World Series?

Kids, right? Yeah. You have kids? Yeah, four. See, what happens when you have kids is you have to start giving up stuff as a sports fan. Like, the things you care about a little less is like i got college football i can probably skip college football now yeah i like i skip it

i go back to it like you know when the when bowl season is isn't it's like you know back the the smart water tostitos bowl you know like osu's tech state versus virginia slim college you know what i mean and it's like i'm sitting there like a degenerate like watching it like asking my phone what's the spread? You know what I mean? Just like, but then it's like,

oh, wait a minute. I should be spending time with my children instead. So wait, but you can't give up baseball for your children. No, I love baseball. because the games

are six and a half hours long so you don't have to actually give up anything. You can just come back and forth. I think one of the reasons baseball is back is you can do other things while you're watching baseball.

That's true. And I watch most of my TV baseball is back is you can do other things while you're watching baseball. That's true. And I watch most of my TV now as I'm doing something else. Basketball, you really have to watch especially this year. Unless it's a Knick game, then you just got to watch

the fourth quarter. Yeah, the last 10 minutes. I was saving the Knicks for later. Why? Just get them out of the way now because we're talking about playoffs and we're not going to be talking

about the Knicks in the playoffs. So let's come on. So this year, no New York teams in the NBA playoffs. So this year, no New York teams in the NBA playoffs. I don't think people say no New York teams. The Nets are like a real thing.

The Nets are still the New Jersey Nets. They play in New York. Brooklyn's in New York. Yeah, they're not the Brooklyn. They play in Brooklyn. They play in Brooklyn. They're the Brooklyn Jay-Z's.

And no L.A. teams. No L.A. teams. The two big cities and no Chicago. The three biggest American cities. The Lakers and the Knicks. They don't really mean the Clippers or the Nets.

You know what I mean? You want those major market teams. This is the season it's really starting to look like we don't need the Clippers or Nets in those cities. Yeah, I know. They could go somewhere else. Send them to Vegas or something. The Clippers had their run.

They had the Chris Paul and they had Blake. And it's like, oh, here they come. And everyone here still cared about the Lakers. The Lakers were terrible every year They had the Chris Paul and they had Blake and it's like, oh, here they come and everyone here still cared about the Lakers. The Lakers were terrible every year. Same thing in New York. Remember they had Jay-Z, Lions, Brooklyn.

Everyone became Nets fans. They were buying the jerseys. They stole KG and Paul Pierce from you. I was upset. And then look, and Jay-Z was tweeting the city's under new management.

And then a year later, a year later, one of the worst games on TV was the Knicks versus the Nets. The garbage bowl. It was just a terrible, they both had terrible records. You just watched it A year later, one of the worst games on TV was the Knicks versus the Nets. The garbage bowl. Oh, my God. They both had terrible records. You just watched two teams go out there in misery.

Listen, New York has the Knicks. They don't need the Nets. It looked like D3 College Bowl. It really looked like Division III College Bowl. The Nets move should be like what they did with Jay-Z. What did he own? Like 0.003% of the team? Yeah.

They should be going out and getting all New York royalty like you guys where they could give you little tiny pieces of the team all of a sudden you're wearing Brooklyn Nets hats on the air I would do that I would go to these little pockets around New York and try to become

the cool team for Brooklyn because the Knicks aren't cool the Knicks aren't cool but because the owner just doesn't care it doesn't even matter but it's just like they Because the Knicks aren't cool. The Knicks aren't cool, but because the owner just doesn't care, it doesn't even matter. But it's just like they're the Knicks. You know what I mean? It's like they're not cool, they don't have to be cool.

It's in their title. They're like, we are the New York Knicks. We are the New York Knicks. We're not getting better, we're not getting worse, and you're still coming to the game.

So guess what? Same thing with the Lakers. It's just like, yo, no matter how much we suck, we're an institution, we've been around forever, and you're going to

come to these games. It's hard when a team's been around since 1946. Oh, yeah. And somebody's great-great-grandfather was going there. That's a hard one to overcome. That's how you get new Knicks fans. You think any little kids are like, I want to be a Knicks fan. No, your father's like, I went through this.

Now you're going through this. That's exactly why I sit all four of my children down. Put this jersey on and cry with me. Watch this game. Life is unfair. Dad, Dad, we're down by 30. Put this jersey on and cry with me. Watch this game. Life is in fear. Dad, Dad, we're down by 30. It's the first quarter. Watch it.

Watch it. Then, like, Dyfus comes to my house and is like, takes my kids away from me. All right, they got dark fans. You're making them watch Knicks games. You're an abusive parent. I think Brooklyn, the Nets could come back when the subway officially falls apart.

Everybody's just trapped in Brooklyn. Should Brooklyn do something because there's nothing else to do? It's the only sports TV you guys are going to have. Buy cheese, ride a unicycle,

go to Nets game. No, the Barclays are just going to turn into a coliseum from like the Thunderdome. That's the people just battling for food. And scarves.

Like, ah! I'll kill you for those tarot chips. You saw Escape from New York New York right a million years ago that's what Brooklyn's gonna be with this train the Barclays Center is gonna be like that place where snake pus can fuck the guy with it you know what I see I only see this in Williamsburg I've never I haven't seen it anywhere else in New York is those car to go things those like small the mini smart cars oh yeah I've never seen that they're so prevalent in williamsburg it's

absolutely because no one bought millennials don't buy cars anymore they're just like i just want to borrow a car think about owning a car is that's such an antiquated thing like you're gonna pay for a car now you're gonna move it side to side street parking you gotta get car insurance what what no if you don't even have health insurance how you're gonna have insurance on your car like priorities you technically you only need insurance on your car if you get pulled over you know what i'm saying like that's you know what i mean we have a bunch of young people here in la and they just they don't have a car they just ride sharing apps i'm not gonna say the best one because i hate the best one you hate the best one i snapped on twitter i never do this i got so mad at uber the other day you feel

that there's a difference between them though i think think Uber lies. Yeah. I think they're liars. About arrival time? It's like, oh, the car will be here in three minutes and you click on it and then it's like, the car will be here in 12 minutes. Yeah, you're like, what happened? What did this extra nine minutes go? And then you cancel it.

It's like, what just happened? You lied! They're like, the car's here in two minutes and you run around the house. You're like, let me pee one last time. And you look back and it's like in two minutes. And you're running around the house. You're like, let me pee one last time. Oh, where's my key? Where's my key? And you look back. It's like, 15 minutes.

What? I'm all sweaty. I've got to wash my shirt again. What happened, Julio? And you just watch the little map. Julio's going down the wrong way on a one-way street. Julio, you're going the wrong way. You're going the wrong way.

It's up and down. It says the wrong way. Or you make that decision before you actually open the app. You're like, am I going to do Uber? Am I going to do Lyft? Am I going to do Juno? And you're like, all right, I'm dedicated to this service because it's going to treat me the best. And you get in the car. And you have the stickers for all of them. Yeah, it's like, am I going to do Uber? Am I going to do Lyft? Am I going to do Juno? And you're like, all right, I'm dedicated to this service because it's going to be the best.

And you get in the car and you have the stickers for all of them. Yeah, it's like Lyft, Juno, Uber. I'm like, pick a team.

I'm like, bro, like, are you sponsored by all these guys? It's like a NASCAR car. Yeah, they're like free agents

for the rat sharing apps. So you think they get the thing and they just grab the sticker and they slap it on? I like Lyft. I've had good experiences with Lyft so far. Lyft is pretty good.

We'll see. We'll see if it goes to their head. Lyft is pretty good. Their cars are kind of clean. I like that. I've had good experiences with Lyft so far we'll see we'll see if it goes to their head Lyft is pretty good their cars are kind of clean I like that I found out that you ever there's a particular smell

in Ubers it's not a disgusting smell but a smell when you smell it it looks like what is that why is no one else complaining about it

it's uberian uberian it's an uberian fragrance uberian fragrance I found out that's the smell after someone throws up in the Uber

and you have it cleaned up that's what that smell is so every time you go to uber and it's just one you know how you go to subways and you got that terrible smell like burning yoga pads that's that uber smell it's the puke cleanup smell uh you go to a gas station they got the little tree it's like post puke uber so what's what's changing about new york right now is the city because i've noticed it seems like it's harder to get around. It seems like they've run out of places to put people.

And in Brooklyn, people are going, yeah, I'm moving to this new part of Brooklyn. And I'm like, what? Where is that? There are other parts of Brooklyn where it's just like, on the map it says there'll be dragons here. It's wild. It's just like when you're playing a video game and you haven't discovered that part of the world. it's just like unlock the you know new york is new york is

changing it's a lot more people now and then the subway's just falling apart and the city's just kind of like yeah the trains are from like 1873 and they aren't using the same excuse for the subway that we use for the yankees they're like this oh what do you want what do you want what do you want hey it's tradition we we six passages what do you want to do i was at my dad's house he has this tv from 2004 that he never changed and he had a it had a line down the right side of it oh and he was just like that tv was state-of-the-art when i got it i was like yeah you bought it in 2004 it said they have all these great tvs it's this whole world. Smart TVs, Netflix. And he was just going to

ride this TV into the ground. And that's how I kind of feel about New York City with the subway system. Something wild is going to happen. You know that line is going to start running down the screen soon and you have to get a new TV. No, no, it's fine. We'll fix it. It's okay. Just little tune-ups here

and there. No, it needs to be fix it. It's okay. Little, you know, just little tune-ups here and there. Like, nah. No, it needs to be fixed. The subway needs competition. That's literally the only thing that's going to fix it. Because, like, right now, if you make the subways better,

they're going to be like, or else what? Or else what? You going to walk? You didn't think so. All right. You going to take a bus, motherfucker?

Now, if Elon Musk wants to, I don't want him making a subway because he's already too powerful and we need to stop him. Come on, the bus subway will start beating radio brainwaves and shit. Nah, bro. It's just like you're standing Musk wants to... I don't want him making a subway because he's already too powerful. We need to stop him. A Tesla subway? Nah, bro. It's like you're standing in a hovercraft just zooming through a tunnel.

You're just sitting there. The ads will change to your preferences. Why is this happening? I don't know what's going on. Wasn't it true that James Dolan, what really needs to happen is they need to do Penn Station and they need to move Madison Square Garden, basically.

And James Dolan was like, that all sounds great fuck you yeah yeah literally thanks yeah literally sorry sorry about your subway system they're trying to move penn station to across the street underneath the post office yeah because right now you know penn you've been a penn station yeah one of the worst places it's not great it's not real wasn't great 40 years ago either no it's better i can't even imagine it's wild i'm like so this guy is masturbating while urinating into a cup right in front of the pizza place like what i don't understand is that part of the pizza like yeah is this you said pizza place put some respect on name at the combination kfc taco bell yo yo i'm not joking i don't know where we were

going or heading from or whatever but we went into that combination taco bell pizza hut kfc whatever and it was just this dude with like a thousand yard stare who just stood in front of us and hovered over us the entire meal fam the entire like i got a three piece he got like a four was just sitting there and this guy's just sitting there looking at us like yeah yeah i don't know if he was turned on or hungry or what i was like this is weird and so what because that's like moving to jersey that's such an important part of america the eastern corridor on amtrak and you would think penn station would be better and it's just like you have like a congressman going back to dc true there's just like homeless people with sex offenders just running around with no shoes on and security's just like hey don't come too early i i went there one time and there was a fire in a garbage can right outside

the station so i go inside and i tell one of like the the cops with the machine guns like oh there's a fire there's somebody must have thrown something on fire in the guy in the uh trash can outside because there's fire he's like is it a big fire? All right. Yo, Joe, go check that garbage can outside. I guess. I don't know.

This guy said there's a fucking fire, something like that. I don't know. I don't know. Who cares? This place is a piece of trash anyway. Listen, I was like,

wow, bro. That's that New York saying, if you see something, say something. It means say something to a cop so you can feel embarrassed. Yeah. You go back.

Really? You wasted my time with that? What are you telling me? Does the fire have a gun? Then get out of my face. At JFK, I saw a suitcase. It was just like left unattended. And I was like, if I tell someone, they're going to shut down

this terminal. And maybe I'll send a text after we're there. JFK's an interesting place. It's almost like its own city. You land in a plane and then you just walk for like 30 minutes until you get to baggage claim.

Hopefully you see somewhere to eat food. Yeah, somewhere. Then you get your bag and then you have to figure out however you're getting to where you're getting. And that's another hour and a half. It's like another trip after the trip. It's this bonus trip you didn't know you had to worry about. So if you think JFK is fun, have you flown out of LaGuardia recently? LaGuardia seems trip it's this bonus trip you didn't know you had to worry about so if you think jfk is fun have you flown out of la guardia recently la guardia seems like it's

falling apart la guardia is rikers island la guardia is just la guardia is rikers island texas when david caressa took the wheels off a school bus and submerged it in the ground that's the guardia right now in la guardia there's certain terminals when you land you get your luggage and you have to get on a shuttle bus that takes you across the highway to like the Uber waiting lot. So now you're on the bus with like celebrities, random people. Like someone said in my face, they're like, hey, you're the guy from the show. I was like, yeah, kind of.

So he's like, oh, what's your best interview? What do you want your rainbow to say? I'm like, how long is this ride going? He's like, bro, I just woke up an hour ago. Like, I can't. Don't do this. And LaGuardia's like, oh, you want food? Sbarro's.

That's it. Yo, go ahead. That's it. Should I eat at home? Sbarro's Monopoly. Yeah, would you like some extra Narcan on top? Yeah. What's funny is when you go into an airport terminal that's actually nice.

Yeah. I was in the Boston, the JetBlue one yesterday. Oh, nice. It was nice. There were restaurant options. Don't they have rocking chairs? Massage chairs and bars. There was a Wahlburgers. Wahl, nice. It was nice. There were restaurant options. Don't they have rocking chairs? Massage chairs and bars. There was a Wahlburgers.

Wahlburgers. Wahlburgers. Woods Wild Beer from New York. You would expect New York to have like top of the notch, one of the best airport systems. And you go everyone else. You're just like, wow. Bruh. I'm like, fly me out of Newark, please.

But I think what you said earlier is the reason. Because New York has no competition. There's no competition. And New York's whole thing is like we're the best you're gonna like it screw you you don't like it here then leave

get the fuck out of here you don't like the airport guess what you're still in New York pal you're lucky you don't have a choice how about that I think that's the state motto

you don't like it get out of here I believe that's Andrew Cuomo's exact that's his running platform you know who's on New York's corner though is Los Angeles

really yeah Los Angeles is Los Angeles is coming on as a city. By the way, my loyalty is to Boston. I don't care if I'm a dog in this race. You must hate it.

When I started Granlin in the beginning of the decade, it was really hard to get young people to move out here. Now it's easy. Everybody we know from New York shows up on a timeline. I'm in LA now. Once they realize it's 80 degrees all the time, but you can still wear a hoodie. Yeah. They're like, oh, I'm in la now yeah once they realize it's 80 degrees all the time but you can still wear a hoodie yeah it's like they're like oh i'm in there like every uber is two dollars like i can i'm too neurotic to live out here i need more sirens the biggest la is gonna

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that I've ever liked. What's the future for you guys? How long is your Vice deal? I have no fucking clue. Nobody's on the reporting about what your future is corner. I don't even know. We're just doing it.

You just do your thing. You bang it out. You know what's funny we i remember we came in to do the vice show and at the end of the after you end the shoot they were like congrats uh this is season two and i was like oh i was like how many episodes it was like something how many episodes were in the first season something like a hundred it was like it felt like game of thrones and i was like literally if you guys didn't tell us that was the beginning of season two we would just keep we would just keep recording for 10 years and at the end of it

we'd be like if we didn't have management we could have definitely got tricked into like you know a 20 year deal like just like after one year

I'm like I haven't gotten paid in a while hey my house is being foreclosed on I don't know we'll get back to you you can see how it happens

though right when you don't know any better you can oh yeah get totally taken aback. Are you kidding me? I mean, it's work, but it's like fun to us.

So, you know, like it's a fun environment coming to Vice. You get to hang with him. We watch the clips. He's like, whoa, what is this? Then you go back home, and it's not like at the end of the day, we're like, oh, God. Because we've met other hosts that do late night shows, and they're just like, how do you grind? What's a grind?

How do you do it every day? Okay, I don't know why you had that accent. Yeah, that was a weird late night accent. grind what's a grind how do you do it every day okay i don't know why you had to add the accent like i'm trying to be anonymous but you just want to that clearly was not that clearly was not jimmy fallon jimmy does a lot of accents that could have been jimmy that's why when they finish everybody who finishes a late night show they grow a beard right after oh immediately look at letterman's bro they almost try to become a different human being I'm not doing anything

I'm not shaving I'm not getting up in the morning I'm not leaving my house I'm done with that I bathe by just dipping my body in water and soaking for an hour isn't that

that's where you want to get to as a point as a late night host or a talk show you want to get that Letterman thing what's he doing 12 episodes or is it

it might even be 6 6 episodes for like 12 million each or some stupid yeah I don't know how much fuck you money letterman has but it's it's a significant amount i don't know if he could just like write a check to buy the nets tomorrow or that kind of money you're probably good i wouldn't be shocked like i and this is a great question for you why don't people who have uh sports franchises or own teams and the fan base hates the owner the owner kind of want to get rid of the team why don't more celebrity people or like people with a ton of money like you said like fuck you money step up and say like hey i'm gonna buy the atlanta hawks

or whatever why would you want to buy that the falcons or whatever you know i'm saying like i never understood that seems like a waste of money if you don't know anything about running an organization that seems like a lot of money to If you don't know anything about running an organization, that seems like a lot of money to waste money into. But you could put together a group and just be... You could, but the chances of it going wrong

are just so... Like, you're doing spreadsheets on your own. Like, we're going to draft Julio. Imagine you bought the Knicks and, like, I'm writing the check to, like... Sorry, Kyle.

Frank. Frank. I can't pronounce his name. Here's your check. Frank Newportina. Here. Here's your check, pal. Kyle O'Quinn's like,

I'm having trouble with my shirt i'm like i'll talk to you later like i'm on the phone with blue cross right now i can't tell you nothing well the worst that the worst case scenario would happen to jeter right jeter was like this unanimous approval guy yeah in new york and within a year people are like fuck that guy well people people outside of new york he's still a hero he's getting he's getting you know he's from the yankee stadium he gave you guys stanton yeah for like 30 cents on the dollar no there's no collusion between the yankees no and it's funny when that whole thing hit when that came about that you know he joined the group that was going to buy

the marlins i was like derrick jeter's gonna go down to flor Florida and get his Giancarlo Stanton. He called it. Look at the Yankees. By the way, I totally support him doing the same thing. Yeah, come on. If I was like, I'm trying to top out the Celtics in the Red Sox. Of course. If Manny Ramirez went down and bought the Marlins and was like, yo, here's Giancarlo Stanton,

you would love it. He's like, Manny Ramirez has traded for Bryce Harper. You got it. I'm like, what? How'd he pull that off? How'd he do that? Oh my God, I'd be livid. I doanny Ramirez has traded for Bryce Harper. You got it. How did he pull that off? How did he do that? Oh my God. I'd be livid.

I do think this has been bad for Jeter. As far as his image? Yeah. Just in general. Like he just looks like a schmuck. But the beauty of it is Jeter has never cared about his image. Yeah. Well, he obviously cares a little bit.

No, he cares about protecting. He's done that player streaming thing. He cares about protecting his image. He doesn't really care what other people think about his image. That's why he doesn't answer think about his interviews and stuff he doesn't show up for certain events that gm should show up for and like events remember was it like the opening of the season there was like some meeting he didn't show up for or he took no questions and people are just saying he's kind of a loofish that's always how he's been even as a

player great guy to run a team yeah i mean i mean you got to be though if you're gonna be like the head because he was the captain because of that. Because it was just like, you know, he came in the game, he did his thing, and then he was just he was unbesmirched. Like, you couldn't really dig up any dirt on Derek Jeter except the fruit basket stuff and all that other bullshit.

And we don't even know if that's true. It's like the pee tape. Yeah, exactly. It's very swaggy, though. His idea of Derek Jeter just giving a chick a basket, like, hey, have a good night, kiss on the forehead. It's a little swaggy. Pre-Uber, you just giving a chick a basket, like, hey, have a good night. Kiss on the forehead. It's a little swaggy.

Pre-Uber, you know what I mean? Like, I'll go wait for a cab outside. Also, you'd imagine Jeter's like looking at these other players like, oh, you're the top in the league? I once ran face forward into a row of seats and got stitches, all right? I did that weird turnaround jump thing. The unnecessary jump, though. Yeah, total unnecessary jump, bro. The Jumpman logo.

Do you think his confidence has been shaken because Didi Gregorius is the best Yankee shortstop of this decade? Wow! That's a bold statement. I mean, he is. You're not allowed to say this decade. There's certain things we know are true, but you can't say them out loud. Yeah. Like that Didi Gregorius is better than the last five years of Derek Jeter. Who's this Bill Simmons guy?

I mean, to be fair, Derek Jeter played until... How old is Derek Jeter now? 49? Eh. Like, he played until his knees dissolved. Yeah. You know what I mean? But wait, doesn't...

Are we going to do the New York sports fan thing and say Derek Jeter is the best... He's a better shortstop because of his rings? Oh, I like that. You could do that. You could do that. You could take that route. D-D could be great, but if D-D don't get a ring... Rings.

Rings. Rings. Rings. Rings. Rings. Rings. Rings. Unfortunately, that's like Kobe's best argument, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I've seen that argument on Twitter all the time.

I've got five rings. Rings. Oh, you got rings. You got rings. You got all these rings. But then, like, you got the Michael Jordan, LeBron conversation, and then people always kind of, like, throw Kobe in there. You know what I mean? And then it's just kind of like- It drives meon conversation and then people always kind of like throw kobe in there you know what i mean and then it's just kind of like crazy yeah it's kind of but it's

it's either kobe or kobe fans that though like no one just casually like yo what about kobe what about kobe though kobe's like the j cole of the nba like you're just minding your business someone's like what about kobe what about kobe though you don't like the lyrics no features his game goes over your head you don't understand it right it's the most unique thing that's happened with basketball in the last like two decades the Kobe fans it was post trial

and Kobe was just taking an incredible amount of heat for good reason and all of a sudden there was like this galvanizing force of like Laker fans and Kobe fans were just like

no and they just started that was it it was like us against them it was really kind of amazing to watch they go hard if you think about it like how hard is anyone like i think the only stands that can defeat kobe stands are beyonce stands like if that stand army had a face off yeah definitely like it would end social media definitely like if they dated and broke up beyonce fans are beyonce fans are worse

fans don't play with us well there's more of them too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're more numerous. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like Kobe's short film. But Kobe fans will... Didn't that guy drive to Temecula? Temecula to fight the guy over Twitter. Over Kobe.

On Thanksgiving? On Thanksgiving. Or something like that. Kobe's fans got him an Oscar. That is wild. That thing was not good. How many other players do you think could...

What the hell happened? How many other players players you think could recover from what Kobe, like the trial and all that stuff and just Kobe right now, he's pretty, unless,

like we bring up Kobe, the first thing people don't bring up is the trial or anything. Nah. Rings, bro. Championships. Especially like in this climate.

The GOAT. Especially. And then his last game ever of all time, which is going up against the Warriors, possibly, you know, shattering the record of wins and everybody's watching kobe old kobe dropped 60 on like 20 shooting you know what i mean i'm like everybody in la is snoop dogg kanye jack nicholson they're

all group hugging and like jerking each other it was a moment it was a moment it was nuts it was like that he had two retired numbers it was classic Kobe that's Kobe that's Kobe 8 and 24 I like it Bill you don't understand it's cause 8 times 3 is 24

yeah sure and then you add 2 more that's the amount of rings I have rings Mamba out he's doing this thing now for ESPN

where he breaks down games is he good at it? I haven't seen it yet cause I know A-Rod as much as you will hate A-Rod, he is an excellent analyst. He was good on the studio show. I agree.

And he's son Big Papi too. He put the Yankee jacket over Big Papi. I know that hurt your heart. These Kobe things are like, he doesn't, I didn't appreciate that. These Kobe things,

it's like he doesn't know this already existed on the internet where he's, I'm going to break down plays and explain to people what happens. And he's like, watch this's, I'm going to break down plays. Explain to people what happens. It's like, watch this.

This guy's going to set a screen. Now watch this guy over here. He's going to come over and then he uses the screen. I'm like, yeah, we all have the- Ken has been doing this for a while. I can find a hundred fake coaches on YouTube who do this constantly. What are you doing? It's pretty interesting.

He's pretty hilarious though. I have a theory about him i think the fact that he was like raised abroad and like speaks multiple languages and is like knows about soccer and stuff like that like that makes him more uh likable i guess like internationally more worldly yeah he's more worldly he's so cultured kobe so cultured and then he had a rap album yeah we don't mention that but yeah I'm sure he doesn't want to mention that I just read the Tiger Woods book

I thought you were going to say I just got the Tiger Woods rap album I was like I need to get it right now the Tiger Woods definitely would never ever rap album the Tiger Woods book was is it a tell-all book? I gotta say it's really worth reading I did it on my last podcast

it basically just puts together all the stuff that happened Is it a tell-all book? I got to say, it's really worth reading. Does he go into everything? I did it on my last podcast. I did it about it. It basically just puts together all the stuff that happened. And you leave it going, wow, man. How do you feel about him after reading it? Did it change your opinion on him? It made me wonder why I liked him so much. He doesn't come off well. He seemed very likable before we knew it,

before the breakdown and everything. You were just like, wow, he's a gung-ho player. Of course, we were going for him. He's clack. I mean, let's keep it funky. I'm actually Eurasian. I'm Eurasian. Calabasian. I was like, is that next to

Calabasas? Is that Calabasas adjacent? I'm like, that's a salad of chops, my guy. That's not a national ethnicity. Do you guys get into the tiger thing when he came back not really because i don't know because i don't i don't follow golf i don't really follow golf that much either but when he did come in the game i have an uncle by marriage who is super into golf and he's like tiger man he's like he's the future of golf this was like late 90s yeah he's like this guy's the future golf power grace finesse can do everything on the on

the course blah blah blah so then i'm like all right maybe i'll watch this guy and i was like oh shit golf is really boring to watch yeah yeah i was like i forgot it was incredibly boring to watch people make baseball look like uh like like playoffs yeah like wrestlemania who in your opinion who has like the power seat right now with athletes for coolness um talent respect from the outside world just everything who's like the number one guy right now michael beasley other than michael beasley i couldn't even joke with that with a straight face michael beasley who got it. Who got it right now? I was going to say LeBron, but like LeBron has moments of like dad corniness. You know what I mean?

Like, which is like, bro, like. It's endearing though. Yeah. It's endearing. He has kids.

He's a dad. So like someone like me, I look at him, I'm like, oh, that's cool. That's cool. It's definitely someone

who's a dad in the NBA, either him or Steph. Yeah. Because you have to have that well-rounded image. Steph Curry's wife sells cutlery. Like,

I didn't even know that. Right. Listen, you got to have the well-rounded image. Steph Curry's wife sells cutlery. Like, I didn't even know that. Right. Listen, you got to have the full circle. I think the days of, like, the bad basketball player out in the club chasing women. People aren't really going for that. Like, look at Tristan Thompson. Like, back in the day, people were like, yeah, my man's out here. Yo, he's out here. Now everyone's like, how dare he?

How he's despicable. How dare he cheat on a Kardashian? That Canadian. Is he Canadian? He's despicable. How dare he cheat on a Kardashian? That Canadian. Is he Canadian? That's a Jamaican Canadian. How dare he betrays the nice Kardashian? That's such a righteous, noble family. They don't cheat on people in the Kardashians.

The whole Kardashian family unfollowed him after the scandal came out. And I was like, did that hurt? Did he care? Did they go back to the calling? She's like, Khloe, unfollow him now. Unfollow him right now. And block him. It is funny when you make fun of how

whoever dates a Kardashian, their career immediately falls apart. Immediately. Then there's this counter thing on like, online where you go, well, why do you have to victim shame

the Kardashians? It's like, I'm just pointing out that every person they date immediately gets worse at their job. Yeah. We have 10 straight examples now of this.

Like, this is not good. There's so many examples of it. And then when they are out of the Kardashian phase, they become James Harden. You know what I'm saying? Yes. And they elevate their game to the next level.

Are the Kardashians the Knicks? Yo. Oh. Wow. Think about it. You come to the Knicks. Think about Melo. You leave, you become better.

No, no, no. Melo stayed with the Kardashians too long? Poor Melo. I. Think about Melo. You leave, you become better. No, no, no. Melo stayed in the Kardashians too long? Poor Melo. Ah, I love you, Melo. I love you. I miss Melo. I'm not going to lie. Have you quit on Melo yet?

Never. I'll never quit Melo. I'll never quit on Melo, but it's just weird now because I see him on other teams and I'm like, I just want you to get a ring. I don't really care about the rest of the team,

but it doesn't work like that. I'm shocked by how ineffective he is for them. All he does is shoot wide open threes and he misses like almost all of them i don't understand like he's not like it's wild because he's supposed to be the second guy or like have a really really really good point guard yeah like but him as the guy like i remember when they were when they when they first traded him uh or when he first came to the next they were like yo they're gonna, they're going to run an Amari Stoudemire, mellow pick and roll.

It's going to be unstoppable. I was like, come on. Sell me these Knicks dreams. I was like, bro. I was like, yo, pass me another 20 on Knicks coke. Give me a break. Remember when Amari Stoudemire, what did he do? Five games with at least 30 points?

We was about to build him a statue in front of MSG. He was the MVP in the league after 45 games yeah and then his knees completely fell apart he was a polio string cheese

and tell me if this is you sports is your life yeah 2012 the Knicks would have won

the NBA championship were it not for Roy Hibbert block number one Roy Hibbert block. Number one, Roy Hibbert blocking that mellow dunk. And are you talking about 13?

Was that 13? Yeah. The good Knicks team that year. Yeah. I think it was like 56 wins. The Mike Woodson team. We lost that series though. We didn't lose that one series because for whatever reason,

Roy Hibbert destroyed. Roy Hibbert turned into Shaquille o'neal in 98 unbelievable for four games and then became like i remember waking because at the time i was staying home my kid i took time off uh work to stay home my kid and we would wake up in the morning and watch like all the sports talk shows or whatever and like we're watching like first take or whatever and everybody's saying like oh you know roy hibbert is one of the best big men in the league and blah blah blah blah blah and then after that series he became just like

it's a little like Rudy Gobert right now where Rudy Gobert changes the game on defense yeah but don't forget J.R. Smith got the foul

on Jason Terry in the Boston series and lost all his powers for some reason when he got suspended and came back and just forgot how to shoot so that also was a big part

of that loss you know how if you check a stock, it has the lines of how it did during the week? If you did J.R. Smith's thing for that

for his career, it would just be like a lot of checks. J.R. Smith is Bitcoin. What's J.R. Smith's stock today? Oh, zero. Zero.

Tomorrow it's up 8,000. Wow, it's up 5,000%. I was watching game two against the Pacers and he decided to play defense for like three minutes. Yeah. And he like stole the ball, the backcourt from Oladipo and did all this stuff. And like, he clearly can do it sometimes.

He just doesn't feel the need to always do it. He's like, I don't have to. Like I'm getting paid. We need another hall of fame for guys like him and these white chocolate, these enigmatic, super talented guys who never got there, but we kind of love them anyway. And we're like, yeah, that's my man. Have Gilbert Arenas out in front. Because the great thing with JR, they come back from 3-1 in the 16 finals. And you kind of want JR in those games, right?

Like he's not going to be afraid. You can win a game seven on the road if he's out there. He's going to shoot it from 50 feet out shots and you're gonna be like what are you doing there's 28 seconds on the shot why are you shooting a three like you know jr shoots it from out about the wall incredible went in you see the refs like does it jr unties his shoes and puts his warm-up suit back on this is a strategy. He's amazing. I asked somebody the other day, I was talking to a fan who's a Knicks fan who's a friend.

And we were saying, how many franchises if you have coaches, players, and future draft picks, how many franchises would the Knicks, would trade places with the Knicks? How many franchises? So basically like

would the Nets take everything they had and be like, we'd rather have all the Knicks assets over we have. I think the Nets would. For sure. The three we came up with, the Nets, the Pistons because your cap situation's

better than the Charlotte Hornets we thought, maybe. I would jump out the window and say Atlanta because it's like they're so middling. But Atlanta's got a top three pick. Oh, yeah. Cap space. There's some hope. The Knicks have Porzingis recovering from knee surgery.

Yeah. Didn't Dolan come out yesterday and say Chris Epps is not coming back next season? At all? No. That's what it said on Twitter. And I was like, how does Dolan know? Did Dolan just say you can't come back?

Is Dolan the doctor? Is he the doctor? Oh, Dr. Dolan. Oh, that's not looking good, Pally. It's not looking good. I could see James Dolan dressing up as a doctor to save money

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Who they could have had. Now, if we knew then what we know now, it would have been an amazing pick. I'm still mad about Jordan Hill, bro. That he was one pick after Steph, right? Yeah. Like, I'm like... I wonder if he's still even in the league. But you have to also think about this.

If the Knicks had gotten Steph, would Steph be the Steph he is today? No, his ankles would have fallen apart. He'd probably be at a dance party. The Knicks would have done something stupid with him. He'd probably be working

on your show. Damn. I keep saying, I was like, the Knicks. He's got a mad leg cast. He's like, all right, we're speeding.

Stop. Okay, all right. This is our PA, Steph Curry. Hey, Steph, tell them about that time you played in the NBA for six months.

No, it's funny because people were saying when Derrick Rose got hurt the first time or whatever, and they were talking about, it was trade talks, trade rumors. We were doing the podcast and I was like, the Knicks are going to get Derrick Rose. They're going to get Derrick Rose in like four years. Everybody knew that. They're going to get Derrick Rose in four years.

Every ligament in his body has deteriorated. And that's exactly what happened. Every time one of your ligaments tears, you get more attracted to the Knicks. It's funny how the Knicks never get the right lottery pick, but they've somehow had almost all of the lottery picks have passed through the Knicks

at some point. Yeah. I think Derrick Rose and Beasley were one-two in that draft. And if you had said then, 10 years ago, these guys are both going to be in the Knicks, you'd be like,

wow, that's amazing. What happened? Then you go to Beasley's house and you're like maybe not you guys love Beasley though yeah we love him

cause he reminds us he reminds us of ourselves like if we were playing basketball I feel like Michael Beasley has he come on your show not yet

but it's weird because the Knicks their practice is at the same time as when we film I don't understand why that's keeping them from coming on right now but we're working on it all the Knicks, their practice is at the same time as when we film. I don't understand why that's keeping them from coming on right now, but we're working on it.

All the Knicks want to come. A lot of New York sports people want to come on our show because they love it. Chris Dapps loves our show. So we're definitely trying to have these people through. Yeah, walk me through that. So since the last time I saw your show, it's taken off, and now it seems like it's at even a better place. So are people hitting you up saying, I want to come on? Before it was like, you could tell.

The first, I want to say, month of the show, could tell like the first I want to say month of the show it's like people we know that we can call from our phones and be like hey do you want to come and do the show and they'd be like

yeah no doubt and then we post it on Instagram we're like tonight's guest and everyone's like who is this and now it's like even last night

I'll run into a celebrity and they're just like was just watching your show bro gotta get on it and I'm like you gotta contact the booker and then people getting mad the booker like

we're booked for a couple like weeks we saw people like I need Gotta get on it. And I'm like, you gotta contact the booker. And then people getting mad at the booker, like, we're booked for a couple of weeks. You're like, come on, Stan. You gotta get 250 before we let you out. We randomly ran into Too Short after some party. And he was like, hey, hey, man. I watch y'all show every night, man. I gotta come up there, y'all. I gotta come fuck with y'all, man, for real.

I watch the show every night. I was like, yo, you're Too Short. Like, CeCe was talking to us, like, all the Yankees watching. Yeah, bro, he's texting me like, yo, you're too short. Like CeCe was telling us, like all the Yankees watching. They're probably like practicing. He's texting me like, yo, Tracy Morgan's wild. Like, yo, it's out of control. It's nuts. Who's the other guy?

No, it's the Reach as well. Like even you had KD on here. And KD knows about us. Like that was like. You've had a couple guests I was like secretly a little bit jealous of. Like who? Aaron Horton? Iman Shumpert?

Didn't you just have Seth Rogen on? Yeah, for the second time. Twice. That's a good one. That's the homie. No, you had another one. And I was like, man, okay. Was it Rachel Maddow?

Because what happens is I think once the show hits a certain thing, and it's happened with this podcast too to some degree, but like all the people in the public relations areas, they start making their lists. Like, oh, we've got a movie coming out. We've got to do this one. like oh we've got to do this it'll be really good to go on this and it seems like you guys are now on that list it's funny though because people put us on that list and they come in like these are the talking points and it's like right now that's not what we're doing i'm like how do you feel about interlingus yeah you gotta eat but you know what so you know what so it's it's very iffy for a politician

because it's just like yes if you can't hang with us you could you could torpedo your whole campaign there like if you come off looking real stiff or you're not able to like laugh at a joke about yourself so i kind of you like it seems because we had kristen uh kristen gillibrand and it's like uh eric holder and we were just in GQ they mentioned that in an article about her that she came on our show so other politicians were like oh maybe I need to come here and I'm like fam watch the show first watch the show first

watch several episodes first and maybe listen to the podcast first have you had somebody end up on the show that clearly knew nothing about the show and nothing about what was going to happen and you kind of have to walk them through it usually what happens is people sit in the other room and they watch the first part of the show so they get a feel for it and they're just like oh okay okay this coming cold and you're just like you

you're just gonna be like what's going on what like where's the questions what why are we sitting so close together because um paula patton came and was a guest. And she was kind of like in that back room that he's talking about. And she was watching as we're taping. And like, I thought she was just going to be like, you know, I'm Hollywood, Hollywood actress. Like, I have no frame of reference for her. And she came in and she was mad fun. Yeah, she was like, oh, I love this interview because it's not like regular interviews. And I'm not doing a press junket.

You guys are mad cool. You guys are not trying to hit me with gotcha questions. Like, because it doesn't make any like you want people to feel comfortable when they come on the show you want them to be able like yo these are my guys they're not going to put me in it if there's a controversial thing going in your life we'll talk about it i'll be like fam if you don't want to talk about this we're not going to talk about it we're not going to get messy whatever no gotcha stuff we're not setting people up for viral vids so they go you know they traffic it like a certain club you know talks about shitting on glass table

like you know that'll never happen i would she wanted me to do it anymore bill simmons has to come back on the show and do a shot for shot remake of the tracy morgan interview i want to see that oh that'd be unbelievable i want to see that was that your number one interview so far tracy well it wasn't really an interview it was kind of like hey we're on screen with tracy morgan it was wild i mean to me like i i was kind of like i don't like we had diddy on we had will be goldberg on we had a lot of we had eric fucking holder on and he took my chain and ran away with it but like tracy morgan to me is was different because like i went to the same high school he

went to he lived around the same area like i used to see him a lot yeah in the bronx and like he had a jaguar with spinning rims yeah and to a teenage kid it's like yo you got a jag with spinning rims yo that's crazy like i aspire to be you yeah and he's he's never not been tracy morgan yeah we've always grown up watching him watching his comedy and stuff and then after the uh accident with the Walmart truck, now just to hear him, like he's still Tracy Morgan, but every now and then he'll have that moment where he's like, yo, I almost died. I almost died. I lost my best friend.

And like, you can see it in the interview, like those moments come and he's just like, he's just giving you words of advice. Like, yo, don't, don't waste your life. Life is short. Then he goes back to like the old Tracy Morgan. But every couple of moments, the fact that he almost died in that accident, he lost his best friend

coming back. And he's just like, damn. Because he even said, he was like, I'd give this all up to get my best friend back. And we were just like,

that's heavy. I was like, shit. We had, Kimmel launched in 2003, January. And when I was writing for it, and he would always tell me like, Tracy's the funniest guy.

Like out of everyone, he's just force of nature funny. So we had this green room and it was writing for it, and he would always tell me, like, Tracy's the funniest guy. Like, out of everyone, he's just force of nature funny. So we had this green room, and it was like a big, it was kind of a scene the first year. And, you know, people go, it was in the bottom, and it was almost like a bar

underneath the show. Right. It was a little out of control. And like the third or fourth night, Tracy Morgan was there. He wasn't even on the show. And at some point, I just looked over

and he had no shirt on he was just standing on a table and he was just kind of dancing holding two drinks and I was like this is exactly

what I thought would happen when I moved there a shirtless Tracy Morgan you know how disappointed you are if you hang with Tracy Morgan

his shirt doesn't come off no he's on brand all the time I don't know how he does it he's one of those people he doesn't have to turn it on he. I was like, he's on brand all the time. I don't know how he does it. He's one of those people that's not, he doesn't have to like turn it on.

Like he comes and there's Tracy Morgan 24-7. Yeah, I'm always jealous of those people. Yeah. But you know what? I can't tell you, you guys might be like that though.

That's what I'm saying. Like I was, I was going to say like, that's why I admire him so much and I look up to him so much is because he's not, it's like you use the term on brand. Like he is Tracy Morgan.

Like there is no brand right yeah his brand is like i'm me like take it or leave it you know what i mean and people kind of like that but we we know when to like calm down like we're not just gonna come in here and start tagging on the walls and kicking stuff over like fuck you bill shim like that that's kind of exhausting i'm gonna tag on the wall and then also sometimes like being in comedy sometimes you see people and they're like that you're just like there's something wrong there like you shouldn't be funny all the time like that that was the robin williams the robin williams growing up i always saw that always on on on every all the time i always used to like feel so bad for robin williams because i was like that's not how it

works i was like no i was like he's super funny but he's not him you don't know the thing i think that but the the. But to me, the difference between those two guys is like, Tracy Morgan is like, I'm Tracy Morgan from Brooklyn in the Bronx.

And Robin Williams was like, we're coming to this character and then going to this character and then going to this character and then going to this character. And it's just so much like, I could, you could feel it.

But they were both using, they're both using comedy to get through something because Robin Williams was suffering from depression and all types of stuff. Right. And so, you know, like all these characters you're doing, like he's just trying to keep you laughing and trying to keep himself laughing.

And you see it and you're like, damn, what's he going? Like it wasn't apparent until he died. A lot of people didn't see that. But he would never get serious like this because he would last for two seconds. Exactly. And he would look over there. Oh, what's that? I'm going to make this guy laugh. Oh, look, there's a black fire over there.

Oh, look, look. You're like, oh, wow. Yeah, I'm going to make this guy laugh. Oh, look, there's a black fire over there. Oh, look, look. You're like, oh, wow. That's low-key. Yeah, I think a lot about the genuine versus real thing. That's one of the reasons I've been so fascinated with doing the podcast with Durant. Because we've done these five podcasts. And that's who he is. There's no public Kevin Durant.

There's no private Durant. He's just like that all the time. Yeah. And that's why he likes that format. And for better or worse, it's probably kind of crazy that we do these things and he just says anything nobody else does that what's funny is when we first were coming up

we used to rag on everyone we used to call Kevin Durant Swaggerless McGee because we were just like he's so boring he's so he's that zero swag he's not like hanging out in the NBA or whatever because if you think of all the leagues the NBA is the coolest league by far. But now, especially recently, since he joined the Warriors

and his persona, I'm just like, oh, wow. Like you said, that's just Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is not a guy with 60 gold chains and just throwing the donut in the Maserati or anything. He just has a lot of fun and stuff. I get the feeling from a lot of these guys that they make decisions and I don't think

he's like this but they make decisions based on how does this look to the outside world. Exactly. And that's it's not really an issue

with LeBron because I think LeBron's amazing and the fact that he came from where he came from and had all that shit thrown at him from age 17 on

and the way he's handled it I think is amazing. But I always do feel like there's calculations with him at all times. Yeah. Especially how he uses that uninterrupted thing

and how he uses his social media. Oh, like how he takes little breaks for playoffs and stuff? this will be the right thing for me to do now. Right.

And I should handle it this way because this was, but I don't, I'd love to know what the real LeBron's like. I don't think like we know. I'm sure there's this other LeBron I don't think his circle knows about what the real lebron's like i don't think like we know i'm sure this is about it but we'll never yeah his inner circles that's the lebron we don't know what that guy's like i love you think lebron is like hood is shit on a low like he's super hood

like like i feel like the real lebron is is is not not necessarily not what he presents to us, but that's a part of what he presents to us. But the real actual core LeBron is super duper hood. Like I could see it. I could feel it. Like I feel like- Jordan was, you'd always heard that Jordan had this other side. Oh yeah.

We always saw public Jordan. You know the chameleon story? Yeah, I wrote, that was the thing I wrote about in my book, which is randomly being next to him when he was playing Boo Ray with a couple of his buddies and he turned into jordan yeah mf and everybody just doing the boy thing and laughing and cracking jokes he had a cigar and i'm like oh that's who that's jordan so i wonder who that who lebron's version of that is like you

said lebron is so calculating i don't think we'll like there will never be a camera around when that real lebron comes out yeah like he we will never be a camera around when that real LeBron comes out. You're never going to have that weird moment of LeBron walking out in the club. You think he's calculating or you think he's just careful? Or maybe it's both. A little bit of both. To get to as far as he's gotten, you can't be sloppy. You have to know exactly every move you make.

I think probably everything he's done since that announcement with the flames and everything, I don't think that worked out exactly the way he wanted it to yeah ever since then he's just been playing chess like everything he's measuring the pros and cons should i do this should i sign with kia like think about it like you signing with kia like who signs with kia no one kia's are not cool he signs with kia he is the when you think lebron you think spright is my favorite one lately for lebron yeah like he's like, which soda should I go with? And he weighs all the choices. And he's been with Sprite for a while.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, he has this new campaign now with the beer, the pitching. It feels like he's more Sprite-y lately. Yeah. I mean, or we could be totally wrong and he's just like boring LeBron's dad. Like, you know what I mean? No, I think he's more... He seems fun.

I bet he's more competitive and more more he seems fun i bet he's more competitive and more fun like i bet he'd be fun to go to a casino with if nobody knew who he was oh man who knows i was watching some show where he was playing cards with somebody i think it was i think it's his show the survivor's remorse uh show oh yeah and they were playing cards and he was just there like acting he's a pretty good actor by the way he is a good actor he's good in train wreck i was really surprised yeah i know we had john Cena on and we were like, yo, you were great in Trainwreck. And he was like, no, LeBron is actually much better than me in Trainwreck. I was like, wow, okay.

That was you because I did not see Trainwreck. Also, your hands are massive. I have the screener. Yeah. What do you rest of Westbrook thought? Shut the writers down. Russell Westbrook? He's a great player.

He's amazing. He doesn't get mentioned enough, I don't think. Well, he's pretty much mentioned. But I mean, for what he's pulling off, really should be like the breaking story every night would you want to play with him absolutely depending play play with him like be on his team oh yeah definitely just keep passing ball to him yeah here you go yo yo yo russ russ get open get open yo Russ yo Russ it's your shot it's your shot big boy

he's like yo you open for the corner three I'm like nah nah nah that's you take it to the rack yo Russ bring it up to the court bring it up to the court

give it to me I'll pass it back give me the New York power rankings now that Francesa is out of the way oof oof oof what happens now

there's no there's a vacuum there's a vacuum is it like when Michael Corleone died like we just didn't we couldn't make out father everyone has jokes on francesa this season without francesa is just painful i no kidding i've had him on my podcast like seven times damn um that after that red sock

yankee fight you want to hear francesa you want to hear you want to hear francesa you want to hear him at that opening salvo From 1pm to 1.20 Who just goes on a rant And doesn't even do A WFAN break And you want him Bringing it back up At 4 o'clock

Godless move By the Giants To Benji Live Godless move We got Sweeney on What do you think What's going on With that work

Did he just like It's that poor You can't even understand Because he's so mad He picked a bad year To leave A terrible year Because this Yankees

Red Sox thing Would have been great Oh man The Giants The Giants are good again He thing would have been great the Giants with the second pick he doesn't miss it he's doing something he's going to have something soon Netflix is going to give him 100 million it'll be something great

I still can't believe he retired because that was such a New York icon when it was Mike and the mad dog, like even then I would listen. Cause I used to work from home and I would, it would come on like direct TV on the yes network. So you just leave your TV on in the background for five hours of just yelling about stuff.

People were calling in first time, long time, but now there's no Mike. And we always make jokes about, you know, like he didn't always have the best stats or the best views, but he was entertaining. He was very entertaining.

We did a podcast two weeks ago. We started talking about whether the Sixers were too young to make the finals so my case was like when did the Sixers can I ask you

when did the Sixers when you're ready you're ready they just they're fucking talented when did this happen it happened in the last three months

Ben Simmons went to another level and it's like they might be ready what was Mike's answer so I was saying I was saying you know this has happened

it happened with the 86 Rockets it happened with the 95 Magics, 77 Blazers. He's like, no, no. Bill Walton was in four years college, and then he's like, and you remember in round one, if Lionel Hollins didn't make that jumper in the game three, and he was just on the spot, was ready to talk 77 Blazers.

I said all in on a 77 Blazers conversation. I didn't even know what we were going to have. I feel like sports talk radio should be like one of those jobs that you have to die to quit. Yes. You can't retire. I 100% agree. You have to be able to not speak anymore to quit that job. Now think about it.

You're just at Stu Leonard's buying some cheese or whatever, and Mike Frances is next to you. You're like, hey, Mike. He's like, yeah, remember 96? Yeah. Remember the pitching change in the fourth game? Who caught that last out? Yeah, you don't remember, huh? Get out of my way.

Charlie Hayes. Yeah. Who says sports facts is in your mind? Who popped up to end the series? Huh? Clasico. Yeah. New York's always had kind of the guy for sports, and it seems like there's a vacuum

now. There's a vacuum. There's the guy. I feel like they're trying to force that, what's his name? Don McGregor guy? The guy with Michael K yeah I don't know you know what he seems like

it seems very Francesa like it's like dying Francesa it seems like some 28 year old kid can just rise up the ranks and immediately own New York I mean you know what it is somebody with talent who comes in right now

and the vacuum that's in could immediately have traction. They could, but... You know, you have to know your sports. Yeah. And it's not even about knowing the current sports. You have to know, like,

the watched sports. Like you said, like he was just on point with the 77 Blazers. Like, you gotta be... You gotta be ready for me to call up and be like, yeah, whatever happened to Kiyogawa? Yeah. Like, if you don't get that reference, you cannot be you gotta you gotta be ready for me to pull up and be like yeah whatever happened to kia gawa yeah huh like if you don't get that reference you can't you cannot be

one of my biggest issues with the whole sports talk culture now is it's first of all it's a lot of younger people but it's also people that don't go backwards with stuff so yeah you saw it in the playoffs where you would hear this argument you know after the first two rounds in the nfl playoffs because the nfl playoffs was pretty good. People were like, best playoffs ever? And it's like, no. Let's go backwards, actually. I'll present some options. Can you even name three of the teams that were in?

Give me 1990. Name three teams that were in. But it's just people, they just want to do best ever, greatest ever. They just want to do it constantly. It was like the best game in like three years. Fam, have you ever watched these sports before? Yeah.

I remember the 97 Super Bowl. I think it was Packers, in like three years have you ever watched these sports before yeah i remember the 97 super bowl i think it was packers patriots yeah i was like i was like that was an amazing super bowl i don't even know what the score was but i just remember watching it i think it's people apply their own personal experiences with stuff and yeah and just throw it out there and it's like the world is gonna agree with me like nah dude like i didn't enjoy that super bowl that shit was kind of you see with basketball now there's a lot of basketball celebration now especially in the media yeah i'm like greatest ever best ever best playoffs ever yeah like oh yeah we all love yeah giannis out there in the kumpo like he's great but like can we stop talking about him for like two seconds like people love celebrating basketball players they love it i think it's crazy with how popular basketball is yeah because i remember the time it was not this popular. When I was a kid, I felt like I was kind of on an island with how much I loved the NBA.

And now it's just like... And now it's the opposite. Who do you think... I want to ask you, who do you think made it that way? Because in my opinion, it was Allen Iverson. Everybody says Michael Jordan, but to me, it was Allen Iverson. That made basketball cool? Cool.

Like super, like extra, extra cool. Like Michael Jordan made it cool-ish. Wellon that made basketball cool like super like extra extra cool like Michael Jordan made it cool-ish well Jordan made it cool for everybody Iverson was the first like hip hop like yo I'm wearing a white tee to my cause you're talking about all this stuff that's going on in the 90s concurrently where you have

hip hops taking off first in the late 80s but really in the early 90s it becomes a mainstream and that had to bleed over in basketball in some way and it bled over Iverson was kind of the proxy yeah

made David Stern change the rules see I thought Kenny Anderson would have been another one but when he got to the NBA I don't know what happened yeah in another

there's another universe where Kenny Anderson is the guy. Yeah. Where he goes to a different team. He has his head on straight. He's not drinking.

And he's just like kind of how we feel about Ben Simmons right now. I felt weird because we did like this charity event. PricewaterhouseCoopers. Yeah. And like, you know, there was a bunch of, you know, public school kids coming through saying hi to everybody David Tyree was there I'm sure you hate him I don't

like him Lorraine Bracco was there you know a bunch of celebrities it was a weird mix nice mix people and Kenny Anderson was there and we see him and we're like oh shit Kenny Anderson and all these like 12 13 year old kids are like do you play basketball

my dad would know who you are and I was like disrespect And all these 12, 13-year-old kids are like, do you play basketball? My dad would know who you are. And I was like, the disrespect. Oh, man. I was like, wow. The Georgia Tech team was iconic. You know what I'm saying? And these kids are like, what do you do besides wear a blazer now?

They're like, give it up for Jesse Barfield. We're like, whoa. Everyone's like, are you a Jackson? Jesse Barfield. That's the thing. The NBA now, all these guys make it. There's no cautionary tale stories. There's no guy who started doing coke or drinking too much or got paid too much too soon or whatever.

But is there a drug now that could kill you? There's no cocaine equivalent. You're J-O-D on weed. I've tried. Also, if you're still being activist, you're not playing basketball. You're not on the court like, yo. I don't know if Molly's great for you. Molly on basketball? No, just like for...

Yeah, but... Imagine playing a full cocaine basketball on Molly. Just bring your teeth like... No, take the ball. It feels great. Touch it. Feel all the ripples on it. You're just rubbing the net on your face like, yeah. This is real leather. Oh, my God. no take the ball it feels great touch it feel all the feel all the ripples on it

oh my god this is real leather oh my god it feels so good against my skin 24 second violation the closest would be I guess

like no one shows up anyone showing up drunk at games no I mean I feel like JR I feel like JR

low key that's happened in the past but oh yeah crazy run yeah a lot of issues with that yeah there's some bad ones that's happened in the past but oh yeah crazy right yeah a lot of issues with that yeah there's some bad ones the 90s claimed a lot

of dudes where it would just be like if you imagine the NBA now and you just crossed off six guys randomly like no actually Portland doesn't have CJ McCollum you just went through and it would be like the league wouldn't be as fun that's why the league's fun now because we have so much talent yeah there's a lot of talent and

people they're more like and it would be like the league wouldn't be as fun. That's why the league's fun now because we have so much talent. Yeah, there's a lot of talent. And it's people, they're more like, the players are more multidimensional. Like I remember watching in the 90s and watching like a dude like Rick Smith could not play in the NBA today. It would be rough.

It would be hard for him. You gotta do the right team, right coach. Every team had that one guy. You're the three-point shooter. You're the rebounder. Yeah, you're the rebounder. You're this guy.

You're that guy. You're the guy that comes in and gives us six fouls a game. You know what I mean? And now it's like, no, I'm the three-point shooter. You're the rebounder. Yeah, you're the rebounder. You're this guy. You're that guy. You're the guy that comes in and gives us six fouls a game. You know what I mean? And now it's like, no, I'm the three-point shooter, rebounder, and the center. You're like, how?

I'm everything. So guys like Kawhi Leonard, KD, they do everything. LeBron, they do literally everything on the court. That's my big disappointment with Carmelo this year is I was really excited

for old guy Carmelo. Like from ages 34 to 40, where he's just a spot up three point shooter, but still thinks he's the best guy in the court. And I really thought he was gonna be great at that. And he's basically in that situation. Okay. See,

and he's not good at it. I don't know. I'm not going to give up on him yet though. I'm not, I'm not because I gave him, I call, I call him like he has the Paul Pierce game where it's like, dude,

you're out of shape. Old man game. Old man game. YMCA game. Yeah. You got that step back jumper. You got a like a little couple moves here and there kind of thing yeah the triple threat you know what I mean set up and everything like that like he the fundamental basketball you know what I mean like that's he's good at that I'm like yo this dude could play till he's 40 he's like semi-washed this year I'm worried I think he needs to here's

what I want to read about him I know I want to read the I'm in the best shape of my life I worked out with the Navy Seals this summer like to find out we've never read that story about Dwayne Wade really ever this decade same thing with Carmelo like Dwayne Wade he went to Miami and he actually got back in shape there was a whole story about it

he showed up in Miami at the worst body fat in the team it's like you're a professional athlete dude and now he's like you're the fourth best guard of all team. Yeah. So you're a professional athlete, dude. And now he's like, you're the fourth best guard of all time. Get in fucking shape. You're 34. What is he doing?

But he turned that shit around. He turned it far and fast. He got money. He could do that. I think Melo's kind of like, I can, but I'm an OKC.

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No, it's not. I don't want to be in the crossfire on this because I love you guys. If I have to pick, I'll pick. Who are you picking? I pick you guys because there's two of you. We're cool with Charlamagne. We're cool with Angela Lee. Charlamagne lives in the town over from me.

Charlamagne's a good dude. Charlamagne's good people. Charlamagne had us on Common Sense, which was a wonderful show on MTV2. He made sure we had the C block on there and every week we had our little

five minute segment and people were just like you're terrible stop having him on and Charlamagne was like those are my guys so shout out to Charlamagne we'll be back on

Breakfast Club one day with X Security can you can you give our listeners the 30 second Cliff Notes version of what happened with this okay what happened

with Borleo we went on to Breakfast Club. We were promoting our five borough tour. One show every night in every borough in New York City. Sold out. We killed it, by the way. Killed it. Thank you. And we go up there and DJ Envy was upset because we made a joke about...

He said it was a joke about his wife. If you actually watch the clip, it wasn't about his wife. And the way they played it on the show, they cut it off before the full joke was said because we said at the end just kidding just kidding we don't know whatever whatever they did that he knew it was a setup he had to call joe button like weeks earlier and was like wait i got something for them when they come up it was it was it's hilarious it's like if love and hip-hop had no women in it because joeden calls me on the phone he says on his podcast like he's like

so then he calls me he's like yo he's like yo about to go down like i'm ready and then i tell him i'm like yo apparently uh envy has something for us or whatever he mentions it to me i don't even pay any mind yeah i'm like whatever like whatever we're just gonna go to the breakfast club it's mad early in the morning so we go we you know nothing's weird before we even do the interview he doesn't say anything to us or shake our hand or whatever but it's like there's like 10 minutes in between like we're getting miked up it's no big deal so we get in there and he's like morning it's dj envy welcome to the welcome to breakfast club we got guests today we got dickhead and pussy today i was like oh okay i was like okay now i see what's going on i see the energy he was like apologize we got dickhead and pussy today i was like oh okay i was like okay now i see what's

going on i see the energy he was like apologize we got dickhead and pussy which is very childish also i'm like you can't get better names my son wouldn't even do that i'm like who's writing this my two-year-old nephew but so that he's like apologize to my wife and we're just like we was like yo we thought you could take a joke. We thought we was cool. But if you want, we apologize. And then he sat there mad for the five more minutes he sat in the interview. And then he walked out the interview. And then Charlemagne, being Charlemagne, God bless him.

He was like, yo, if you need five minutes outside, like, you could do that. And I was like, yo, I got my Spanx on. I'm ready to go. And I'm laughing the whole time. We didn't know. He's like, super quiet. Then he gets up and leaves. And then Charlemagne's like,

oh my God, like, can we put the video camera on and on MPs? But because we have worked very hard to get to where we are in this industry and we had a tour to promote,

our media training kicked in. Continue the interview, very professional. That's great to hear. That's what you do. You can't let people, you can't let people get, listen,

as I said on the show, I'm not going to mess up my bag because you're in your bag of feelings. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I have a job to do and I get paid to do this job and you want to be emotional, go do that on your coffee break. So you're saying like two years ago, maybe that escalates? Maybe not even for me. I don't

know because... You said two years? Oh, if this was two years previous? You guys two years ago in this situation? Oh my God. Like, no joke, we probably would have been in jail it depends on like like my mother because two years ago we were two different we were straight from the bronze and it was never about going to hollywood we were just doing the podcast for like complex and even when we were doing it we were just like yeah i don't think this podcast

thing is gonna work out right and we were still carrying box cutters at that time so i mean i feel like it would have been totally dependent on the conversation i would have with my wife that morning think about like if it would have been positive like i would have been like okay think about dusty jesus and dusty marrow and we walk into a radio booth and the first thing out of some mouth is someone calls me a dickhead and calls him a pussy ain't enough security ain't enough security to keep two people from the bronze from jumping over that table what table God's working on all of us but like you said media training because I almost took it to the next level and got up

and sat in his chair and just was going to pretend to be him for the rest of the interview that's kind of like baiting the bear the thing is like now the problem is we're forever going to be linked with DJ Envy like we'll go other places I don't think so

no anytime we do an interview now it's like dj and we we go we were in how many months ago is it this was um this was a month ago it wasn't that long ago a month ago but when we go places no way it'll it'll fade in no because you have people who have never heard of us until this so what happens is people on the street now they go fuck dj envy but if he didn't pull that off i wouldn't have seen you guys on tmz you guys are the funniest people i've ever seen we get dms like that every day so it's like expanded you know the audience because there's there's there's very like he said a lot of nba people listen to the breakfast club so it's like the breakfast club is like the like pop culture radio show for like everybody who's young and like in the know or whatever.

You know it's on mad channels. I have a 500,000 view Breakfast Club appearance. You know what I mean? So you already know the gang. You know what I mean? So it's like that happened. It kind of worked out because like Breakfast Club gets a lot of hits. And then TMZ found out about it.

And TMZ forget it. Then you just do the rest. And then we got, was TMZ was trying to found out about it. And TMZ, forget it. Then you just do the rules. And then we got, TMZ was trying to interview us about it. And then like at JFK, there's people who don't know anything about us other than, yo, you're the two guys that roasted DJ Envy. Yeah. Like they don't even know Desus and Mero. They're like, yo, y'all the two guys from Viceland that cooked DJ Envy.

And I was like, you guys can't even learn our names. But I mean, listen. Y'all made him leave his own show. Yo, that was crazy. I was like, yeah. A girl yesterday at JFK was like, yo, it's the guys that cook DJ Envy. And I'm like, all right. I mean, we'll take a picture with you.

It sounds like you just handled your business and then he just left the show. That's literally all that happened. Literally. And it was wild because it was like, bro, you do this five days a week? They do it five days a week. You come up here and you talk spicy about everybody and everything and everybody's relationship and everybody's life. Yeah. We say one very tiny, innocuous thing.

And it's just like he blew it out of proportion. That's what made me think like, okay, your wife told you to get in our ass. He definitely was trying to bully us because there have been other comedians that have said far worse things, far vile things directly to his face about his wife. He's never said anything, never questioned it. So he felt that we were pussy. He thought we were the two to press on the air. We're not the ones for you. Interesting.

I didn't realize it's just so complex. Trey Songz said, I forgot what he said. He said something that if anyone said that to you about your wife, you would rock their fucking jaw. Oh, yeah, for sure. Like, basically, like, I could take your girl or something like that like it doesn't matter how long you've been with her like out like i'm trey songs yeah it's not even not even way like way worse than what we even even like literally there in the studio in your face like you know what i mean like come on you know it's like i say they say in new york keep that same

energy no as long as it doesn't affect our relationship with Charlamagne. We're straight. I can't bring you guys to Charlamagne. They interviewed him post the whole thing and they were like, nah, we cool. We don't got no beef. He put on a show for his life. Come on. You know what it's like. I don't, but I don't know what that

situation would be like. Like if you forget if you screw up. If he was on a reality show and yeah that's the other thing it's like you're mad at us for commenting on pop culture when our show is a show about commenting about pop culture so you went on it you you went on tv to talk about this we talked about it and now you're mad at us you're not mad at like your booking agent or your pr dude who was like yo go air your dirty laundry with like sherry shepherd and whoever else is on that other like other view show like lani love oh lani love i'm sorry i'm sorry i apologize that's

another beef we have i apologize that's another beef that came out of this because we can't tell the difference between the view and the read the The real? The read? No, the read is popping. The read is popping. Shout out to Chris Willis and the Kid Fury. Sorry about that. It's the real. Shout out to the guys over there. Jeff and Eric.

Well, here's what's going to happen. The bigger your profile gets, the more people are going to try to start shit with you. Oh, we know it. Oh, yeah, of course. Because they can't lose either way. If you come back, that's great for them. And if you don't say anything, then they're just getting free shots at you. He said, if I shoot you, I'm brainless.

If you shoot me, I'm famous. You're famous. What am I supposed to do? Right. You can't win it. And they also forget that we are New York City public high school graduates. And that is like the that is like Navy SEAL training for people like you cannot get any better than that. Like that's like that's like that'sAL training for roasting people. Like, you cannot get any better than that. Like,

that's like, that's like, that's like Harvard for roasting. You know what I mean? You see like LeBron have a game and like, just like, how?

Or like that time he did the pass through someone's leg and you're like, how? How? How did you no look nutmeg that guy right into the hoop? That's New York City Public School.

What's the best New York City Public School movie in your opinion? New York City Public School movie. Hmm. Juice. That's public school movie. Juice. That's a deep question. Juice was good. Juice, kids.

Kids was wild. Kids was wild. Kids was wild. Kids hasn't aged that great. No. In the Me Too era. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But it bridged that gap between the 90s and the early aughts or whatever. And that's literally what was going on at that time in New new york i just watched juice like six months ago and was shocked by how much i enjoyed it and how much it still held up it still holds up i watched paid in full the other day and said the same exact thing i was like wow i was like cameron is actually a pretty decent actor but you would think juice would not hold up because like one of the main plot lines of juice is like they're buying vinyl records like they're shoplifting vinyl records. You're like, there's no way kids can relate to this,

but you're watching this like, yo, I can relate to the story. I just think Dangerous Minds is kind of held up too. I haven't seen that in a while. Which wasn't a great movie, but it's basically a movie built around a Coolio song and Michelle Pfeiffer

and Leather Jacket. They're looking at each other. What you need is Coolio and Michelle Pfeiffer. You got it? I've lived it most of my life. I'm a fat sweaty guy. I love public school movies.

What about, I love when the public school and things aren't going well in the school, but then there's this one person and they provide hope. So you like the Joe Clark movie? Which one? Joe Clark? Oh, of course. What was the movie? I love all those movies.

The White Shadow is my favorite show growing up. What was the parody of that movie? Which one? Dangerous Minds? It was like a parody of all those like high school movies. Oh, it had the long title.

I think it was John Lovitz was in it. Oh, High School High. High School High. High School High. I was like, wow,

this is on the nose. We're going to do that. Mero's going to do that one day. A movie about Mero going back to the Bronx and helping kids. Helping kids and the community.

You guys have anything to announce before we go? Anything coming? Anything you're excited about? What do we got coming up. We still got more tour dates coming. We got two nights in a row at the illustrious Wilbur Theater. At the Wilbur in your hometown.

In your hometown. You know what I'm saying? On Tremont. Tremont. Yes. Yeah, right off Tremont. When are you going? May 4th and 5th.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Did you make sure to look at the schedule and make sure there wasn't Boston Sporting Events? Oh, it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter. We're coming out full pinstripes with cleats and cups. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Aaron's going to intro us. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. No, Aaron Boone is Sporting Events. Oh, it doesn't even matter. We're coming out full pinstripes with cleats and cups. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Aaron's going to intro us. It's going to be great. No, Aaron Boone is introing us. Yeah. Come on. He's going to slap the mic out of Bronson Arroyo's hand.

We're going to get no more to come. Yeah, no more. I'm so ready for this Red Sox Yankees season. It's going to be so great. It's going to be so great. There's going to be more balls being thrown at people. Oh, my season. It's going to be so great. It's going to be so great. There's going to be more balls being thrown at people. Oh my God.

It's going to happen. You don't know how great this rivalry coming back is. This morning I was reading an article and it was breaking down how many Red Sox pitchers have hit Yankee batters over the course

of the hundred years. And I was just sitting there and they did the stats. They were like more Red Sox pitchers have thrown at Yankee batters. It's like 11, the difference. And I was just like, wow,

no one cares about this other than Yankee Red Sox fans. If you put this up on ESPN right now, you're going to get a bunch of angry tweets like, what the hell is this? Talk about the Astros. Talk about the Astros are doing great this year.

When I was six years old, Piniella slid into Fisk. Huge fight at home plate. Mickey Rivers is coming in, sucker punching everybody they separate them calms down and Bill Lee starts talking shit to Greg Nettles and Greg Nettles like

just clocks him and then like body slams him and separated his shoulder and it was like it was the biggest ass kicking any team I think had gotten in a bra we got our asses kicked and I was six and I was like I fucking hate these guys. I'm so upset.

You know what's funny? When you were younger, it wasn't like a knowledge rivalry. It wasn't like, yo, I'm a Yankee fan. You're like, I'm a Yankee fan

because I have the hat and I'll knock you out. It was like, that's not how you watch. But every loss hurt. Every win was like the greatest win. Now because you have, you've seen enough seasons

and you kind of see the bigger picture, you're like, all right, perspective. Yeah, sports is like the ocean. You know it's going to come in, it's going to come out, and you just got to ride it. But the best Yankee fight, though, was the Orioles fight.

Yeah, I was just about to say that because I was so torn. I was watching a documentary about that fight. I was so torn. There's some big-ass dudes in that. Stromberg was like 6'7", Ray Floyd. Daryl Stromberg did the scorpion for Mortal Kombat flying punch.

I was like, holy shit. And I was so torn because like Armando Benitez is, you know what I'm saying? Shot the DR and like his face was like, I'm not fucking around. He's like, I'm taking your head off.

I'm going to throw a hundred miles an hour right at your temple and not get black off and i was like wow this is old country shit you know what i mean and then he did it and it the whole shit popped off and i was just like whoa this is wild this season seemed more aggressive than they have in the past a lot of times there's a lot of joy like you stay over there i say i'm gonna take first base i'm gonna keep talking and now people are like nah let's go yeah yeah, Jalen always calls those the hold me back fights. Yeah. Wait for the catcher to attack you from behind. You want to go at it? You want to go at it, bro?

Yeah, come over here. I got a rosin bag. Remember when they said that about Lonzo Ball? They're like, oh, he's not a team guy, blah, blah, blah, because he walked away from the fight and blah, blah, blah. And then he said afterwards, he's like, yo, this is the NBA. Nobody's fighting. I actually like that.

I thought that was effective. At first, I was like, ah. thought yeah i was like i was at first i was like uh and then i was like you're right you're right nobody's gonna throw a punch it's not way back in the day because remember i think back in the day people had real jobs at night and they also play in the nba chris childs definitely worked for ups after he punched if i'm a multi-millionaire you're multi-millionaire we're fighting about what what we're fighting about what we got you like you bump me

angrily like during this rebound but I'm still going home to my 54 million dollar house you know what I'm saying in my 12 car garage if I ran a baseball team I would have two pitchers

relievers the hard throwing relievers who are clearly going to throw anybody in the game and give them MMA training wow because

if you if you run full speed at an MMA guy, think of all the great ways they could fuck you up, right? He could stir to the side, do a slide kick. He'd go under. Three move you, whatever. That would be like a death sentence. So if Joe Kelly

had just trained in the MMA for six months, he would have fucked Tyler Austin up. You gotta admit Joe Kelly got watched, though. No, so what are you talking Austin. You got to admit, Joe Kelly got washed though. No, so what are you talking about? He got out of there looking like he got into the worst bar fight ever.

Like he's all, his shirt's all ripped open, his thing and everything's all messed up. He got a couple good ones though. He did. He did get a couple good ones in. No, not taking any away.

Is that like the most popular Red Sox player who's not one of the best players? People love Joe Kelly. They do. There's a Joe Kelly sweat t-shirt. That's such a Boston name too Hey I'm Joe Kelly What's up

Well you know what endeared him in the Boston was Him waving him on Walking toward me like let's go I'm ready That's like he's set for life in Boston He threw the glove right That's the part that kills me The glove never lands You're about to go and go

Knuckle to knuckle with another Grover And he threw the glove and the reaction is just kind of like ah you're about to bear and punch me in the face but i'm flinching at a leather glove you know what i mean that's been broken in because when you throw it it's like i throw everything throw the rosin bag the plate everything let's go when we talk about on the rosin bag, the plate, everything. Let's go. When we talked about it on the show, we talked about the fight that Manny had with... Who threw at Manny? Manny never got in a fight. He would wander toward the mound to do a hold me back. Somebody threw at him, and he charged the mound and threw everything.

The helmet, the bat, the gloves, everything. And I was just like, again, torn. I was just like, man. I was like, ah. That was in like man I was like that was the game where Don Zimmer got thrown out I think that was 03

yeah yeah that was the game that was the game and again Pedro Martinez is like my uncle this is my hottest take of the podcast

Don Zimmer was asking for it he was he was he was as a Yankee fan come on Don Zimmer I was like yo you're 79 years old

what are you doing charging people Don Zimmer thought he was. Come on, Don Zimmer. I was like, yo, you're 79 years old. What are you doing? You're charging a lot. Don Zimmer thought he was 30 until he did that second roll. Oh, yeah. I was like, yo, where are you going? And then the ease of that, he went down. He just said, yo, yeah. It was wild.

It was like me getting my kids out of the way type of thing. There was some good karma for Red Sox fans there, because he fucked up 1978 for us. Ooh, Don Zimmer. Don Zimmer. He was the guy who played Carlton Fisk like every day and ran him into the ground and ran our pitching staff into the ground. It was nice to watch that 79-year-old man roll around the ground like a fish.

That was because all these Yankee fans were like, that's our guy, Don Zimmer. I was like, he wasn't always our guy. Yeah, he wasn't. He can't win the Red Sox. That's when the rivalry was like, well, so we are staking our life and our loyalty to these guys that just go in between multi-million dollar teams

right before that Don Zimmer was just the fat guy next to Joe Torre right after that it was like we must protect Don Zimmer

I was like I don't really got a street name after him in the Bronx now last question his next next coach the next next coach is going to be

it's not going to be Mark Jackson I'll tell you that right now it is absolutely he mentioned the be, it's not going to be Mark Jackson. I'll tell you that right now. It is absolutely. He mentioned it. The locker room. He's not. He's not going to be.

It's not going to be him. I'm hearing Mike Woodson. Mike Woodson's coming. Fisdale. I like Fisdale. Really? Yeah. Didn't they have a tweet the other day that said Mike Woodson?

Wow. And they explained it like this. You had Mike Woodson. You just had him. This is the explanation. He was just your coach. Yeah, it's like in a divorce against

a married man. This is the explanation that not from, some Nick blog was explained. It was like, well, what coach recently took the Knicks to the furthest

in the playoffs? And I was like, but I mean, it was Mike Woodson, but then we had him. You lost in round two. Congratulations. They're like,

we were in round two. Remember? Also, we dropped balloons when we won a game in round two remember also we dropped balloons when we won a game in round one yeah that was kind of wild they were all dusty that boston series though where jared jeffries had like the opportunity to win that game at the last second and he missed a wide open layup yeah like that destroyed me yo like i remember watching that in in like a uh my aunt's house and it was just like me and my uncles, like my four uncles that are like super into basketball.

Like the rest of them were like baseball guys. And we watched and we were just like, yo. So like our hearts were sucked out of our chest. I was just like, of all people to be standing under the basket to make an easy layup, it's Jared Jeffries. I was like, yo. Who do you think is going to be the next Nick coach? Not Mike Woodson.

Well, does he care at all what the fans think? I guess is a good question. It seems like the answer is no. James Dolan. He's never cared. No, he never cared. I would bring back Van Gundy. Why not?

They say he's not even in the running. If it were me, I already made this case. I would choose Becky Hammond from the Spurs. Oh, yeah. Any Popovich disciple. I'll take any of them. Popovich disciple. And you get basically a year of just, for the first time,

everybody's just rooting for her. Yep. Super happy. What a moment this is. This is a great thing for basketball. And nobody notices the shitty team at the floor. They could go 2-80 and it'll be like, the season was a success.

The problem with that is the Knicks history with women is a little- But that's- You really want Becky and Isaiah Thomas on the same team that's what I'm saying that's what James Dolan

would do James Dolan would hire Becky Hammond and then make Isaiah Thomas head of basketball operations yeah

you're right he would 100% he would he would I think Fisdale I don't give a fuck I think Fisdale Fisdale's good

but I feel like he's gonna he needs to go to a team that's actually good and has a chance. Do you think? Who? Kenny Smith. Kenny Smith?

Here's my thing. Do you really think it matters that much with the Knicks? The coach? Yeah. That's why I would hire Becky Hammond. You know what I mean? I feel like every coach that comes through there, it's just like they're just the guy. Try something different.

Try to be a trailblazer on something. Maybe you luck out and she's awesome. It's either Norway, Sweden, or Switzerland. The actual Twitter account is the name of the guy. Try something different. Try to be a trailblazer on something. Maybe you luck out and she's awesome. It's either Norway, Sweden, or Switzerland. The actual Twitter account is the name of the country. And every month, they pick a person from the country to run the Twitter account. That's what the Knicks need to do. Just like a random New Yorker every week. Just be coached.

Well, we're not that far away from that Whoopi Goldberg movie. You know what I'm saying? We got to do that, too. What was that? Eddie. Eddie, too. Eddie, too. Me and you were running the Knicks and finally

get fed up and just play in Tim's. I just want to go on the record and say that I enjoyed Eddie. I still enjoy Eddie. It's a great movie. I love Eddie Goldberg.

Eddie's funny. It's got good Knicks stuff. It's got weird players from that era that I enjoy. Are you looking at the music?

Are you in the movie? It's just great. Also, they were just filming it during real Knicks games. Yeah. And the NBA for some reason thought it was a good idea. They were like, yeah, use our uniforms. It'll be great. I, they were just filming it during real Nick games. Yeah. And the NBA, for some reason, thought it was a good idea.

They were like, yeah, use our uniforms. That would be great. I'm not trying to make that movie now. They'd be like, oh, so you want to use actual NBA logos? Oh, well. Oh, you want to film in the middle? And players? Oh, players?

Oh, okay. Oh, we're having problems here. Yeah, Michael Doliak will sign a release. I can't. All right, guys. Morgan Collins refuses to participate. Bill, thanks for having us on again. A pleasure as always.

Now we got to do it all at home. I got to come on yours next time. Definitely, man. Yeah, for sure. It's a pleasure. Good luck, guys. My guy. He's treating my holla.

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