The Bill Simmons Podcast - NBA Fights, Migos, Atlanta Hip-Hop, and Michael Myers vs. Kawhi With Quavo and Shea Serrano | The Bill Simmons Podcast (Ep. 432)

Episode Date: October 23, 2018

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons connects with Shea Serrano to discuss 2018's biggest slasher film, 'Halloween,' check in after the first week of NBA basketball, and examine the Rockets-Lakers fight (5:20). Then Bill sits down with hip-hop superstar Quavo to talk about the Aubrey & the Three Migos Tour, Atlanta's hip-hop identity, the ideal Super Bowl LIII halftime show, the NBA, and more (56:50). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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NBA, NFL movies, and a whole lot more. The Ringer Podcast Network. Halloween Unmasked wraps up its awesome run on Thursday. Final podcast. It's doing great. People like it. Thanks for spreading the word for us. And we have another podcast that I'm going to announce right after the break.

First Pearl Jam. All right. I'm in lovely Boston, Massachusetts. It is cold. I have no idea what kind of effect this is going to have on the World Series, but I'll tell you, it's going to be cold tonight. I wonder how many really cold games Clayton Kershaw has pitched in. He's going to be pitching one today. It looks like it's going to be about 40 degrees. The World Series starts today. I'm picking the Red Sox because I'm a huge homer. I did not wager on it because I am concerned about, I think the weather is almost neutralized

at the home field advantage. When it's this cold, the people are in jackets, scarves, mittens, all that stuff. I do worry that it's going to be kind of, not a dead crowd, but just kind of a crowd that won't be the kind of typically raucous crowd you'd have for a big game. The one bet I did make, Mookie Betts plus 750 to win the World Series MVP. I like these odds because I think he's due just in general to have one of those Mookie runs where he gets hot

for a few games. But I also like the fact that he might play second base, which I strongly, strongly, strongly support in these three National League games. Move him play second base, which I strongly, strongly, strongly support in these three national league games. Move him to second base. He played there all the way through the minors. And then you get JD Martinez in left field, move Ben intended to right, and you're good to go. I think Mookie Betts is one of the best athletes I've ever watched in my life in any sport. I would really put him up against almost anybody. The throw that he made in game four of the Astros series when he threw out Tony Kemp. When Kemp was rounding first base,

it was probably one of the fastest guys in the Astros, if not the fastest. And Mookie just picked the ball up and lasered him out from 180 feet. He does that stuff all the time. He's an incredible defensive player. One of the best base runners in the history of the franchise. Certainly the best one I can remember watching on the team in my lifetime.

Line drives left and right. Just incredible. I feel like he could have played any sport. And the case for Mookie as a World Series MVP if the Red Sox win is just an appreciation of just what an unbelievable athlete and baseball player this guy is. The ability to just go from right field where you're a gold glover and just play second base

for three National League games when you haven't played there in five years. And he's probably going to do great because he's one of the best athletes in sports. I just like the narrative. So that's my pick, Mookie Betts. Hey, Little House Cleaning, before we get to Shay, we are launching a new podcast called The Big Picture, which is a movie podcast. It's a spinoff. It's Sean Fennessey's movie podcast

on Channel 33. He had so many great filmmakers and directors and stars and, um, it just gained a lot of steam, especially in the industry. And it got to the point where anytime somebody had a movie coming out, um, it seemed like they wanted to go on Sean's pod or we could get them or whatever. It made sense to spin it off. So we're going to beef that podcast up. We're going to have, and basically for the months kind of a where are we with the Oscars type thing. I think on Tuesdays with Sean and Amanda Dobbins, our culture editor and ringer, OG extraordinaire. And they're going to just break down what's going on with the Oscars. We're also going to have different ringer staffers popping on to talk about movies they've seen and things like that. So it's going to,

if you love movies, this is going to be the podcast for you. The big picture, you can subscribe to it on iTunes or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's bring in Shea. All right, on the line right now, the man, the myth, the legend, Shea Serrano. This is his kind of time because Michael Myers is back killing people and winning the box office. Yes. And Kawhi Leonard is killing Spurs fans in Toronto. Yes. I thought we could do a little compare and contrast.

Oh, I love it if if somebody in the nba a star also doubled as somebody who just murdered lots of people on a holiday like halloween kawaii would be like the perfect pick he doesn't say much he's kind of inscrutable i the same way that you wrote about in the ringer this week michael myers never ran he just kind walked calmly, just at a brisk pace. I feel like Kawhi would do that. I know you can't stand Kawhi right now, so I figured this would be the perfect time to bring this up to you. Oh, fantastic.

Compare and contrast. Kawhi and Michael Myers. First of all, who wins a fight between them? I'm going to go with the guy with a knife. That's just like a general philosophy I have is if two people are fighting and one has a gigantic butcher knife, I'll go with him. What if Myers, what if it's just like he's wearing the gas station attendant outfit? Does he have the mask on? That's the big thing right there.

Well, he always has the mask on. The mask has really only come off in Halloween 1. That's the only time we saw his face. And it was the one way to rattle Myers is you take the mask off and he's discombobulated. He doesn't wear it for like the first 20 minutes of Halloween, the new one. Yeah, but we don't see him though. You kind of see his face once. You see like the edge of his face.

You see enough. You see enough. But if he's wearing the mask i just got to go with mike anytime he puts the mask on he's fucking wrecking everything that's in front of him there's no way i think myers was the most indestructible serial killer slash murderer of any movie because in halloween too as you pointed out in your piece, got shot in both eyes. In both eyes. And then he could see. He took one movie off. He took Halloween 3 off to rehab his eyeballs

and then came back in Halloween 4 ready to fucking go. He got shot in the eyes and then blindly stumbled out of an explosion and burned to death and then was fine. It took him 10 years to rally back. I actually watched Halloween 4 on Friday night with my kids. We had it banged out. I am actually a supporter of Halloween 4,

which is a controversial opinion because I think there's some people out there that like to pretend 4, 5, and 6 either didn't exist or were a dark time. Even on our fantastic Halloween on mass podcast, Amy Nicholson, you could feel her contempt as she's talking in a, in episode five about the, about those years. I stand by Halloween four and Halloween four ends with his niece ends up

killing her mom in the bathtub and has the clown suit on. And it seemed like the torture is going to be passed and we were going to have female Michael Myers. And then they just went away from it, which was probably a mistake, but Halloween for a solid movie. It's a, it's more fun than I remembered it.

I saw like edges of it when I, when I was younger. And then I rewatched it when the new one was coming out. And it's especially fun if you watch Halloween three and you're just like, what the fuck is going on? And then Mike shows up in the next one and Halloween 3 and you're just like, what the fuck is going on? And then Mike shows up in the next one and you're just automatically in. The two most underrated movies from that era

of the slasher horror movie era were Friday the 13th Part 4 with Corey Feldman and then Halloween 4. Both of those are like legitimately solid. It was also like this era where there was always some girl who was trying to steal somebody's boyfriend and you just knew her and the boyfriend were gonna die later in the movie like that was the price you had to pay absolutely for being a bad friend uh in in the latest halloween which i saw actually about a month ago and it did gangbusters you know i saw

their tweets about and kudos to jamie lee and they had all these tweets. She had a tweet. Blumhouse had a tweet about this is the biggest movie ever with a female lead, 55 and over, and all those things. I really feel like Myers is the lead of these movies now. This was a weird one for me to watch because he's a serial killer. He's evil. He has no redeeming qualities at all. And yet I found myself kind of rooting for him oh yeah movie and i don't know if that's the intent of the movie or not but it's it has to

be the only franchise where you're like get him michael get him i think in this one that is the intent because this is the one movie in the franchise where they position you like on his shoulder for a significant portion of the movie they want you attached to michael they want you to feel what he's feeling or at least be aware of what he's doing you know usually in the other ones he just sort of is popping up in the background all of a sudden and this one you're straight up just walking with him for blocks yeah and it's a it's a lot of fun too it's very intense. It's very gruesome. That first shot after he beats up the mechanic and his jaw is ripped off.

Right then they go, okay, this is going to be a little bit different than what we've seen. The teeth drop was great too. You know, I was thinking he's older now because it's been Halloween is next week. It'll have been 40 years since he returned to Haddonfield, I think on his 21st birthday. Yeah, he was 21. So that makes him born in 1957, which makes him a solid 61.

I mean, it's still cranking along. It's really, it's really impressive. It's, it's, I would put it up there with pal Gasol, who had their Dirk Nowitzki,

like some of the Tom Brady, some of the great athletes in their 40s myers is 60 he's there ripping teeth out he's ripping jaws out um just still going along but they had a nice shot in the first like 25 minutes of the new movie where he had like the gray hair and the receding hairline which i thought was a nice touch that was wonderful who this is what i've been thinking about several things since I watched the movie. I'm going to ask you. Maybe you have the answers to these. Number one, who cut his hair? Because it's like a nice haircut that he has.

It's a clean. It's like he went to Kyle's barbershop. He got a haircut. In the other remakes, he's got the long hair, like in the Rob Zombie ones. It's just long the whole time. And this one, he's got a haircut. I can't imagine he'd let somebody cut his hair. I also can't imagine they gave him scissors to cut it himself or clippers even.

I need to know what's going on there. Also, this is less a question and more just like when I watched it, I watched it with Laramie. I leaned over and mentioned this to her. But the woman that's in the restroom when he drops the teeth in there. Yeah. She says that she's going poop. Excuse me. And then he like busts in on her.

This poor woman got choked to death with a, with a dirty butt. And I just felt really bad for her in that moment. That's, that's a tough way to go. I think the, the movie really wanted, wanted to make us dislike her and her partner who were filming a podcast.

By the way, not a flattering portrait of the podcast industry in this movie. They were 100% responsible for all of those deaths. Oh, yeah. They really were. And on top of it, I'm not sure. First of all, if somebody pitched that podcast to me, we're going to chase down Michael Myers and go to the sanitarium. And my first question would be, well, Michael Myers doesn't speak. So I'm not sure what kind of interview you're getting.

You're just getting dead silence. Like we could pretend we were interviewing Michael Myers and just have silence and have somebody going. So I just don't think that was a good idea for a podcast. And the guy had an English accent. So obviously just doesn't understand American culture. And it's just, the whole thing was,

was kind of dicey, but I like the fact that as you know, basically he's shackled to someplace for the last 40 years, right? The movie, the movie, the movie has us believe that after, I think, Halloween 1, it picks up. Like Halloween 2 never happened in this movie. We skip everything that happened after Halloween 1.

Halloween 1. He's just gone. But then they don't say how they caught him. So that was an issue. Then it skips over the fact that in halloween h2o he came back and then she had a son in that but in this movie he has a daughter or she is a daughter right then it skips over the fact that in halloween 4 she also had a different daughter and then in halloween resurrection um she's brutally murdered in the

beginning of the movie right and made a big deal did a press tour about how she had to finally put this whole movie behind them. So I guess they're asking a lot from the audience. I was fine with it because I just wanted Myers back in my life. And I think you were fine with it too, right? Oh, 100%. I wanted Myers back in my life. I wanted Myers close to what we saw in the first Halloween where it wasn't like a hokey thing. It got silly. Four, five, six.

It got silly. He's killing people in these like really goofy ways. Yeah. In like Friday the 13th style ways. And this one, we're back to just, I'll just, I'm going to stab you in the neck and you're going to die and I'm going to keep moving. I love that. I like that he gained intelligence while he's shackled away for 40 years. He's smart.

Yeah, he now has the, he knows where all the power lines are. He knows not only how to drive a car, but in this movie, he drove a truck. Now you and I would not know how to drive a truck. Myers just, because he's evil, he knows how to pick it up and really get it going. He knew, he knew where all the electricity for Haddonfield was the power, the power plant. He was able to go there and find that pretty easily. Like he doesn't have an iPhone. He doesn't have ways. He was able to find basically everybody's house,

find the police station, find where his sister lived. Just incredible intelligence on him. Yeah. Look at how he does it. To do all of that without a cell phone. Like there was no GPS. He was just walking and he got to where he needed to go. That might be the most impressive thing that he does in the movie is just his internal GPS.

Doesn't need to eat. Doesn't eat. It's unclear if he goes to the bathroom. Just, he's very skilled. I think he's the most skilled serial killer we've had. I'd put him over anyone. I did have an issue though. So this is a tiny bit spoiler alert-y,

but it's really not. So if you haven't seen the movie yet, I'm really not spoiling anything. Because you've seen the trailers, you know what the premise is. The premise is Jamie Lee Curtis' character Laurie. She's so tormented that Michael might get out.

That she's kind of constructed her whole life that if he gets out, she's going to be ready. She's, she's built this whole kind of trap house for him, but all these things in it. So near the end of the movie, of course he ends up at the house.

Cause he, of course he did. Right. She had no plan for what if, what if the electricity's out? I didn't understand that, Shay. She's had 40 years to think about it. She's obsessed with this.

She doesn't have a job. And yet all the possible contingencies of Myers showing up at her house, she didn't have like a generator, like lights. At no point during the 40 years did she think, well, what happens if he cuts the power? What do I do then? Well, I don't think that she needed the power there. I think this was like a Bane situation where she was used to the dark at that point.

Oh, she was like a trained bat? Yeah, she was moving around in it fine, same as he was at this point. She's going room to room. She's lowering the door. She's doing all of the stuff she needs to do without worry that the lights are off now because that's her world. I think that— But she's going against Myers is evil and just highly, highly skilled. Here's a, here's my, my issue that I had, and this will kind of spoil it, but not really at the end when she sneak attacks him finally.

Yeah. She doesn't have a gun. She has a knife, but like you should have guns all around the house. They should be under like taped under tables and chairs. And you're rolling around. You pick one up and shoot. She didn't have the gun. All of the guns were in her little secret area.

So she jumps at him with a knife. She sneaks up behind him and she makes the same mistake that so many other movie monsters make where she's got to get a line in before she attacks him. And she's like, happy Halloween, Michael. And he turns around just in time for her to miss his head and she gets him in the shoulder or something like that.

Like she got a little cocky right there. That was my problem with her attack. Everything else was brilliant. She got a little cocky. It was a heat check. You know, like in Silence of the Lambs, Clarice, when she was about to kill Buffalo Bill, didn't be like, time's up, Buffalo Bill. Yeah, exactly. She just shot him.

She just shot him. Yeah. So if I'm planning this for 40 years, I would want one of those, you know, Mila Jovovich in the Final Destination movies. Is that what those are called? Not Final Destinations. Resident Evil. Right. You've seen those movies, right?

I have. She has. I watched the last one a couple weeks ago. The one with Ali Larder that came out like two years ago. It was actually very entertaining. Yeah. But she has those vests with the guns in the back. And then rooms for a knife. It's like this kick-ass bulletproof vest outfit with all these different things that you can hold.

If I'm Jamie Lee, that's what I have on for when Michael shows up. Yeah, she was roughing it out there. She didn't have any sort of tactical gear. That would have been helpful she also should have had a big she should have had like a 50 cal gun like a Rambo gun or a smoke aces gun that she could just light

like you gotta chop this guy in half right you gotta know that fire is not gonna get the job done no fire

he'll just regenerate his skin yeah it didn't it didn't work the first time he tried that on Halloween too I know we're supposed

to ignore that it happened but it happened like the fire. As soon as he went up in blade and like in the, in flames, the house, you're like, well,

he's, he's going to get out of this. Obviously. Horror movies love to pretend that even though we saw something happen, that actually, no, actually we're going to pretend that that didn't happen. But then this other thing did happen.

It would be like, and then whatever they didn't want to happen in retrospect is just kind of brushed aside. Yeah. It would be like if next week I was just back at ESPN and Grantland was up again and people were like, dude, you came back to Grantland.

I've been like, I've been here all along. What are you talking about? I never left. I really enjoyed this movie. It was really good. Yeah. It was really good.

You know what? It's just great to have Myers back. And it's probably wrong to root for a mass murderer, but I couldn't resist. I really liked having him back in my life. Let's take a quick break. These days you can get practically everything on demand, like our podcast. Listen whenever you want, when it's convenient for you. All right, so why are you taking trips to the post office when you can get postage on demand at stamps.com with stamps.com access all the amazing services of the post office right from your desk 24 seven

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Before you do anything else, click on the radio microphone at the top of the homepage. Type in BS. That is stamps.com. Enter BS. All right, so we're back. We've done a week of the NBA season. Kawhi has been rejuvenated in Toronto. Although I have a, I have a counter opinion on this Kawhi thing. I don't think he looks a hundred percent athletically yet. I think he doesn't, I think his

legs aren't there. And a lot of what he's doing is with his brain but i i watched that entire celtic game on friday night and athletically he's just not the same now whether he gets there or not we'll see but um i thought a lot he had kind of more of an old man game and was like craftier but that's not the kawaii he was in san antonio right no he, he was overpowering like his run in 16, 17, whatever. He was doing everything you needed to do and then like the special things that you weren't expecting him to do.

Like the Grizzlies game when him and Mike Conley are throwing fireballs at each other. He was doing all of that stuff. I think he will eventually get there. He's clearly smart enough to just survive on 75% or whatever he is right now. Yeah. I have to believe that he's going to get back there.

He looks good in Toronto. And the team makes sense around him. He makes sense in that environment, this, like, icy cold. Like, that's who he is. That's what he does. He just shows up to make shots and shut down the other people. He looks good. He looks really—he doesn't look great yet, but he looks very, very good. Yeah. The bait, one of the big winners of the season is his brain because I just think he's

so advanced intellectually as a basketball player now that he could cover up a couple of the athletic things that aren't totally there yet. I think it'll come back, but it was really, it was weird hearing all these people like, Oh, I was back. Here he is. It's like,

ah, he's not a hundred percent back yet. Cause he, he just doesn't have the same lift. And I felt the same way watching Gordon Hayward, these first few games, especially I went to the magic game last night. Gordon Hayward is not close.

He's not close to being back. He, uh, his ankle might be fine. He might be fine physically, but mentally he's not there. He's, he is just afraid of physicality and he's afraid to be in the air around the rim. He doesn't want any part of it yet. And I don't blame him because his ankle went in nine directions a year ago, but he, uh, he was such a physical player in utah you know he's one of those guys that would drive to the basket and be bouncing off people he was he was kind of a sneaky sneaky great alley-oop guy which ironically is how he got hurt but mentally he's just not there yet and hey the celts are in a weird spot and i was a little

worried about this i still think they're going to be awesome. They have too many guys. They do have too many guys. Not only do they have too many guys, they have like eight guys who think they should be out there in crunch time. There's a weird vibe on this team.

I'm already worried about Jalen Brown who's become the middle child in this situation where it's all Tatum, Tatum, Tatum, Tatum's the next superstar. Jalen Brown is like the one over there who's just getting good grades. Mom and dad aren't talking about him. They're just raving about the other kid. And unfortunately for the Celtics,

Jalen Brown is a free agent before Tatum is. But you have that, you have Marcus Smart, you have Rozier who only played like 14 minutes last night who almost was the starting guard on a finals team. I don't know. I always get scared when a team has too many good guys because I think you need ultimately, you need to know who your best five is

and you need eight or nine and that's it. I think the best example, you need to know who your best five is. And you need eight or nine. And that's it. I think the best example of this was TMAC in 2008. That goofy Rockets winning streak. Remember that? When Yao went down, yeah. Yeah, Yao got hurt. I think even before the winning streak. And then they had Mutombo.

But then Mutombo went down. And they basically did it with six or seven guys. But they had the right structure. And the Celtics need to figure that out. I think it's a very hard team to coach. What have you, what have you seen from them so far? Well, I think you're, you're in the right direction where you need eight or nine guys to, to be the team that you want to be, but you need most importantly out of that, you need for seven, eight and nine to know that there's seven, eight and nine. that, you need for 7, 8, and 9 to know that they're 7, 8, and 9. And that's the secret issue you run into

where everybody's going nuts, Danny Angel stockpiling all these great players and assets, and where they're all excited to be there at first, and then now you're to the stage where guys want their piece, and it does look a little jilted because Tatum is clearly going to be the guy. He's the guy.

There's no way around it. We haven't seen that from anybody else. We haven't seen those moments where he just takes off. That little fadeaway that he hit the other night, that's like a shot that a winner takes and makes. And you knew it was going in as soon as you let it go. The other guys, though, they want to be that. They're not going to be that.

And it's going to be weird. I'm most interested to see what happens with Kyrie. That's the guy who was supposed to be the Tatum, and now Tatum is the Tatum. I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, it still feels like it's Kyrie's team, but there also feels like there's this Tatum momentum building. I had great seats last night.

There was this moment right before the end of the first half. They got the ball back with like 13 seconds left, and Tatum had it. And Kyrie, I think it was Kyrie or Marcus, one of those guys was like, take him, JT. And they all got out of the way. And it was like they knew instinctively

it's like he should have the last shot, and he's going to score. And then he did score. And I thought it was an interesting moment becauseively it's like he should have the last shot and he's going to score. And then he did score. And I thought it was an interesting moment because, as has been said ad nauseum, he's only 20. But the respect that they had for his abilities and you read, you know, you hear about them talking in practice about how unbelievable he is and all this. So it does feel like there's a little sea change. Now, Kyrie is not playing well. And I thought last night, I was like, oh my God, is he just, what's happening? And then he took his headband off. He looked better.

I think it was the headband's fault. Kyrie's so weird. He had the, he used to have the mask last year in his face that he would take that off and play better. And now this year he was trying to get this headband, big hair look. And I think it's been a disaster. And then finally he got rid of the headband in the second quarter. But, um, but I do think they need to figure out how to stagger the Kyrie Tate of minutes so that one of them's on the floor at all times. I would start Rozier, um, or Marcus smart. And they just, I think Stevens is going to figure it out, but it's, you got to make everybody happy.

You have to have the right amount of scoring out there. And we're clearly headed for like a three to one trade, three for one trade, whether it's this year, whether it's that, like, they're just kind of waiting for new Orleans to get fed up with the Anthony Davis thing and trade them. But the way he's playing, why, if you're new Orleans, you might as well disband the franchise over trading him. Right. You just got to ride it out.

Yeah, there's no way you make that trade. Can I interest you in another seven-footer down in San Antonio, Pau Gasol? No, you cannot. By the way, it's nice having DeMar DeRozan in your life, right? He's a good basketball player. I love what DeMar DeRozan is doing this season. He's averaging something stupid like 29-5-9 or something goofy like that. Yeah, he's good at basketball. He's really, really good.

And he's doing all the stuff you need for him to do. I thought last night's game was a great example of what I'm hoping. Maybe I'm just projecting this onto him. But I feel like he saw the game fall apart. They were up by like eight or something, seven with just a couple minutes left. LA comes roaring back, then they go up seven or eight. And that's a game that Toronto loses by 12 points.

No question. But the other guys started hitting shots. You know, Rudy hits a shot. Patty hits his shot. Everybody else is doing their stuff. Lamarcus is going fucking nuts down low. Yeah.

And I feel like he's realizing, oh shoot, I've got some guys here who are not afraid of the moment. We're going to like, this is going to empower me.

Like, that's what I felt like when I was watching him because he didn't have a great fourth quarter or overtime. He had some good, some good assists,

some good little hustle plays. But he wasn't hitting the shot. He missed the buzzer beater. But it didn't feel to me like he was panicked. It just felt like he missed that shot. And then you saw this stuff happen and you go like, this is going to be cool. He's been great. I love already DeMar DeRozan.

I like the, there's a little Ewing Theory feel to this Spurs team. even though you want a title with Kawhi, so they don't technically qualify. But, you know, people people definitely dismiss the Spurs. We saw the over under after Murray got hurt, I think dropped to 43. We did the wins pool on NBA preview Palooza. I ended up getting the Spurs at 19. So 18 of the 30 teams were picked in our wins pool. All you need is total wins. 18 teams were considered better picks than, than the Spurs. And then you watch them and you go, Oh, they have Aldridge and DeRozan. Those are two of the best

25 guys in the league. The question for me is the point, the point guard is a real problem. That's an easy position to go try to find somebody, but I'll be interested to see how good they think this team is and whether they want to give up a future asset to try to get somebody who's not a stopgap. Part of me was hoping that they were going to get Crawford before Crawford got signed, Jamal. I thought that would have been fun.

I'm not a fan. That would have been fun, I thought. It would have been fun seven years ago. Let's get some shots up. The Spurs have done the thing before where if Tony wasn't playing well or he wasn't playing at all and they just threw Manu at their point guard. We're fine

with a three playing point guard. We'll be okay. Let DeMar run point guard. He's averaging a career high in assists by a large amount. He'll be fine. We'll be okay. Let DeMar run point guard. I mean, he's averaging a career high in assists by a large amount. He'll be fine. We'll be fine. We're good. I think the West, the last couple of years, and really for most of this century, we've always had, the narrative has always been the West is really good. Oh my God, the West is so loaded. I don't feel like the West is necessarily loaded this year, but it's much deeper.

There's really only two bad teams. And even those teams, Sacramento and Phoenix, they have talent, they're frisky. They have guys who were top five lottery picks and guys who can not roll over. But man, you go down the line and guys who can, you know, not roll over, but man, you go down the line and it's like, all these teams are good at home. They have guys who, you know, you go down the line,

like Denver's got Yokeage, New Orleans got Davis, Portland's got Lillard. Memphis has Conley and Gasol and Jaron Jackson, who's looked fantastic. The Clippers, they got Gallinari back. Gallinari was like, he's like Michael Myers. He was written off. We thought he died on Halloween 8. Yeah, he's 20 pounds lighter. He's got a nice tan.

He's looking like very Galloway again. Then Doncic looks great in Dallas. Utah has their whole team. Minnesota's loaded. And then you look at the bottom four right now, although there's only been three games, and it's Houston, Sacramento, the Lakers, and OKC. What a fucking race this is going to be.

I don't know how we're going to get eight playoff teams out of this. I can't figure it out. They're going to let 10 Western Conference teams join the playoffs this year. I think that's what they should do. They should just have their own special playoffs. Bill, let me ask you, because I thought about this when we were talking about Myers earlier,

and I didn't get to ask, and I would be mad at myself if I didn't. But you asked me about who wins in a fight. We dropped Kawhi and Michael into Michael's world. If they're playing one-on-one to 11, twos and ones, like a normal person, who wins that game? Myers versus Kawhi?

Myers versus Kawhi. Is there a ref? There's no ref, but call your own fouls. And you're not allowed to stab anyone in the neck. I think Myers would lose 11-0. 11-0? Yeah, because the problem is he doesn't run. So all you would have to do is just kind of...

He'd move side to side, but he wouldn't be actually moving. I think you'd just be able to go by him. Shaq didn't run either, and he's got himself a handful of rings. So the question is, if Myers got the ball because he's supernatural and evil and has superhuman strength maybe he's like 2000 Shaq maybe he just turns everybody into Todd McCullough

I think if Kawhi got the ball first I think he wins 11-0 the trick with Mike is number one I think he's very quick he walks but he's quick, he sort of shoots around the houses front to back with, like, a tricky speed. We have to consider that. We also have to consider he's very strong, like, unreasonably strong. If he's allowed to put one hand on you, like, we're doing hand check, like, you're not getting inside the three-point line. And also, he's got a crazy vertical. He's got, like, a 48-inch vertical. I think he's going to do okay in that game. 48-point line. And also, he's got a crazy vertical. He's got a 48-inch vertical.

I think he's going to do okay in that game. 48-inch vertical. Well, we know physically he's able to withstand just about anything. Like the fall from the roof in Halloween 1 after getting shot six times is really one for the agents. Yeah. Nobody comes back. He's getting every and one

like you're not throwing his shot there's no hard foul on michael myers like oh no easy late no easy buckets no he's getting an easy bucket there's nothing you can do about it what kind of offensive game do you think he would have like kind of like an aaron baines like the short from the shoulder jump hook yeah that little goofy yeah the push? Yeah, that's all he's doing. He's got that little bank shot? He's dropping those on your head all day long. Does he have a dunk in, like, little step back 10-foot bank shot? Bill, he's got a 48-inch vertical, and he's 6'2".

He's dunking it on everybody. He might go out there and turn into Dennis Smith. That's who he might be in the game. We have no idea. What if the game starts, and Kawhi's like, all right, he might be in the game. We have no idea. What if the game starts and Kawhi's like, alright, he shakes his hand, good luck. And Mike unzips his mechanics outfit

and he's got on fucking basketball shorts underneath. What if that's what he's wearing underneath there and he's been a hooper all along? I gotta trust Mike. And then he takes off his mask and he's got this special basketball mask that's fitted with goggles. Yeah, exactly.

That would be great. You watched that whole Lakers-Spurs game last time, right? Oh, 100%. I'm starting to get worried. I thought the Lakers over 48 was a lock. And the whole thing was like, well, LeBron is worth 50 wins by himself. Just put anyone on his team. They really whiffed on some of the guys they signed.

Spending $17 million on Contavious Caldwell-Pulp and Lance Stevenson. The other option is just to set it on fire. You just actually take out $100 bills until you get to $17 million and just put them outside the LA Live under the Kareem statue and just light it on fire? Neither of those guys can play basketball at a high level.

And then the JaVale thing. JaVale's nice to have on your team when he's your 11th man, but when he's out there in crutch time, it's just not good. Everyone was saying they're going to be bad defensively. They're even worse defensively than I imagined. And then the other part is if Lonzo doesn't go up a notch,

I think it's a problem. I just don't think he's looked that good. And I have more Lonzo stock than just about anybody, but I really wanted him to make a jump this year, and it kind of seems like the same guy. So I'm concerned about that. What have you seen? Yeah, it feels—the Lonzo thing is what I thought was most troubling.

As soon as Rondo got suspended, everybody's like, oh, you know, Lonzo's getting his shot. Yeah, here he comes. And he did not come. He did not. He just was there doing the same stuff he was doing a season ago. I don't know what's going on inside of his head. I don't know if he just doesn't want to make a mistake

and mess with LeBron or get shipped out. I don't know what's going on there, but he was more troubling to me than anybody else. Kuzma's going to be good. Ingram will be fine. But Lonzo, it just feels like he's the piece. If he's good, the team will be good. You need that guy.

You need the guy who doesn't want to score, who just wants to make everyone else happy, and he's not there. He's not there yet, but yeah, they look rough. They gave 197 points to the Spurs with no point guard. It's a rough time right now. And you can't panic too much because they did lose two of their five best players for an entire week because of that fight. Right. I like Ingram. I like Kuzma. I like Josh Hart.

I like LeBron and I like Rondo. Right. I can go to war with those five guys. Yeah. Unfortunately, none of those guys can protect the rim or play center or guard anybody over six, eight. And that's the fundamental problem with this team right now. Now, they just need to tread water until mid-December when you're allowed to trade the contracts that you signed in the summer. And then they can package Lance and JaVale and Caldwell Pope and whatever else and try to get somebody else. The question is, would they want to take a contract that goes past this year?

Because, you know, people think they're trying to save their cash space. I saw our friend Ryan Rosillo, who hosts a very good podcast called Dual Threat on the Ringer Podcast Network. He was on Scott Van Pelt Show Friday advancing a theory that I had also heard in basketball circles as well. And he was the first one I'd heard bringing it up publicly. He was saying, people aren't sure that there's going to be this huge rush from all-stars and younger stars to go play with LeBron.

And that LeBron maybe thought people were coming this year, whether it was Kawhi or Jimmy Butler or whoever, and Kawhi didn't push his way there. Jimmy Butler, he wasn't on the list of teams Butler wanted to go to. And the question is, do people under 30 who are good at basketball want to go out of their way to play with LeBron James? Rosillo said he was feeling like the people that he's talked to in the NBA, that maybe the answer is no. And I've heard a little of the same question is for you, if you were under 30 and you were good

at basketball, would you want to play with LeBron after you've seen what's how what's happened with him the last 10 years in Cleveland and Miami and then in Cleveland again? No, I think there's been enough talk among those players of guys who have played with him. The Kyrie thing is the most hurtful in that respect. Yeah, Kyrie fled from him. Yeah, people who have played with him and they've been like, alright, that was cool. See ya. Why is that happening? There's got to be something

there. If I'm under 30, I'm a young guy, I'm in the league, it's a situation where I go, oh yeah, I'm in the league, like, it's a situation where I go, oh yeah, that's probably the greatest player of all time, but I'm gonna, you know, I want to play with somebody else. I don't know, it's weird to watch.

So he's got, you know, obviously, can we agree Kevin Love, although he did win a ring, maybe overall didn't love the experience of being in LeBron's orbit there for four years? I would guess he didn't love it, no. I mean, it seems like he had a lot of issues with it.

And it's almost like he had a little Stockholm syndrome with it after a while. But the reason I bring that up is, you know, these guys all come up in the same classes. And like somebody like Kevin Love, he was class of 08. He is connected to all these people from the class of 07, which was the Durant-Al Horford class, 08, and then the 09 class, which was, I think it was Boogie Cousins. And who else was in there? Derrick Rose.

No, Derrick Rose was 08. But all those guys are around the same. They're all playing against each other. They all know each other. It was Boogie Cousins and who else was in there? Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose was 08. But all those guys are around the same. They're all playing against each other. They all know each other. And they all like Kevin Love. Kevin Love, I think, is one of the most popular guys from that whole kind of three-year era. And they kind of saw what went on with him the last few years and how he became the scapegoat a lot of times, things like that. Then you go to Kyrie, who's 2010.

So now he's friends with the 09, 2010, 2011 guys. So that's a five-year window now of Kyrie and Love, everybody from those five years of people knowing somebody directly who played with LeBron. And if neither of them liked the experience, I would think that carries some weight, I guess is my point. And if neither of them liked the experience, I would think that, I would think that carries some weight, I guess is my point. Yeah. And I agree with Russillo. I think there is something to this.

Yeah. There has to be something to it. It'd be the same as if, if, uh, you know, people who had worked for you left and they were like, Hmm, don't go like, that's all it takes. Just don't go there. Oh, I'd fucking kill those people. You know what I'm saying? Like that's wild.

Those people will send Michael Myers to their house. The Lakers this year, when you're, I'm listening to you say all of the names on the, like your five guys that you would go to war with. Every name you said on there, I was like, yeah, definitely. I want that guy. I want that guy. I want that guy. Right. But altogether, it doesn't make sense.

Do you remember the movie Pearl Harbor? Yeah. From, what was that, like early 2000s? Of course. But it was like the same thing. Like Ben Affleck, I'm in. Josh Hartnett, I'm in. Jennifer Gardner, Alec Baldwin, Cuba Gooding Jr., Michael Shannon.

Like all names of people I want to see in movies. And then the movie happened and you're like, what is this? It just doesn't fit together. That's what the Lakers are right now. It's weird to watch. So they need to survive this Ingram Rondo thing. It just doesn't fit together. That's what the Lakers are right now. It's weird to watch. So they need to survive this Ingram Rondo thing and then get to December so that they're not too far out of the race,

which I think when you have LeBron James on your team. You're never out of the race. You're never going to be too far of it. And then they need to make a trade and they need to get somebody who can play in crunch time as the five. Even if it's a power forward, it doesn't matter. It can't be LeBron at the five, I don't think.

No, they need a Rasheed Wallace. That's what they need. They need, when Detroit Business did that, they need that player to come in, and then you win a championship. That's all you need. Good luck. Good luck finding him. You know, there was a little Kobe.

I know some Lakers. I put it out there on Twitter just for fun and people get so mad. Like the Lakers fans can't even joke about the Kobe LeBron thing. I said, I did a tweet, the Lakers are missing one guy today. And that guy's name is Kobe Bryant. And half the people were like fuck yeah right on and the other half were like fuck you

but it was just you know I think the longer they that he doesn't come through at the end of games like the missing two free throws there is going to be a little groundswell of wow Kobe would have made those two things here number one I love that you called it, I did a tweet.

I love that. I did a tweet, yeah. I did a tweet. I made a poopy tweet. Number two, that was the LeBron experience last night. Watch him hit that pull-up 35-footer to tie the game with two seconds left and then miss the two free throws at the end. Like everything you want in a LeBron James game was right there on either

side of the argument. Cause you can be like, Oh, he choked the other side. Well, they don't get there without the clutch shot that he hit. Like that's just LeBron is everything to all people at all times. He's the best part of the,

well, he made a mistake at the end. So you left out a third piece. Okay. What was it? He should have gone by Rudy Gay and gotten to the rim. He would have gotten any call. The crowd's going nuts and he's LeBron James, his second best player of all time.

If you breathe on him, he's going to the free throw line. Here's the problem. He didn't want to get fouled. Oh. He didn't want to take the free throws. Yeah. Oh, 100%. That's not even a theory.

Okay. If you watch that play, he had a step on Rudy Gay. He knows LeBron James knows what to do and how to get to the free throw line. If he's got his defender on his hip, but he didn't want it. He didn't want to go to the rim. He didn't want to get fouled. So he ended up takes this 22 foot hero ball,

fallaway shot. And, you know, this has been a theme of his, in his career for better and worse. Well, he'll have these stretches where he just doesn't want to go to the free throw line.

Then I'll have other stretches where he's making all of his free throws. There's there's bill. There's no way you can convince me. LeBron James was afraid in the third game of a season at home. He was afraid to shoot free throws. There's no way you're going to convince me of that. Not LeBron, maybe 12 years ago you would have, but not the LeBron we know today.

I think he was just tired. I'm not saying he's afraid in general. No, I know, but in that moment. I don't think there's a basketball moment you can put him in right now where you can say he's afraid. I have news for you. I have news for you. I just put him in that moment.

I just did it. No way. He had just missed the two free throws and he did not want to go back to the line. I'm convinced. You watch that play. That is a guy who did not want to go to the free throw line again. Well, let's disagree. I like disagreeing on this podcast.

Hey, last thing. We got to talk about the fight because I didn't talk about that on Sunday. I flew to Boston yesterday and I had ESPN on with no headphones on. I was on JetBlue. And they just showed the fight over and over again for six straight hours. It was great. I love it. They just over and over again, different angles.

Do you think Rondo spit on Chris Paul? Yes, he definitely spit on Chris Paul. They have not liked each other for a long time those two guys yeah they have a 12 year beef but he had a mouthpiece in how do you spit with a mouthpiece in it was kind of a half ass spit

if it was a spit was it like a sneaky spit like one of those I'm going to spit under my breath at you and nobody will really notice that's exactly what it was Rajon Rondo is smarter than all of everybody in the NBA except for maybe like two people. If anybody could figure out how to spit with a mouthpiece in,

it's going to be Rajon Rondo. If anybody would do that, it would be Rajon Rondo. I love that Chris Paul went after him after that. I think if that's Clippers Chris Paul, we don't get that fight. But Houston Chris Paul, they raise you a little bit different in Houston. Like, you're going to get a fist fight

when you do that to somebody in Houston, from Houston. Had that been Gerald Green, it would have been fucking atomic war in there because he had grown up there.

Right, right, right. Chris Paul has been in Houston for several months and he's already fighting guys. I love it. I mean, over a year now, but it's great. Can I,

can I offer a counter? I was he mad enough that Rondo spit in his face. If Rondo did. Yeah, for sure. He put a finger back in his face. Rondo hit him with a two piece landed one, miss the other.

They separated them. Oh, don't Chris, Chris, Chris Paul have done the Michael Myers? Should he have just kept coming back? Should it have taken like 10 guys to get between them? No, Chris got his in. Chris got two shots on Rondo. He got the uppercut, bing, and then the other one, bang.

It was good. Like that's the escalation that that should have followed. We're going to get into each other's faces. Rondo's going to be like, okay, I'm going to take this next step. I'm going to spit on you. Chris Paul, I'm going to take this, the next step, I'm going to put my finger in your face, which is more disrespectful to put it and put it to mush you in the face.

And then Rondo is like, well, here we go. I got to put my hands on you. And then Chris Paul came back. I got to put my hands on you now. Like that was the order it was supposed to go in. Nobody overreacted or underreacted. That was exactly the series of events that needs to take place in that moment. How'd you score the fight?

Draw or you gave the slight edge to Chris Paul? I'm giving a slight edge to Chris Paul. He got in two clean shots. Rondo got in one and a half shots with points for the spit. I didn't feel like the shots were that. I liked Rondo's left jab. I thought won the fight. I didn't feel like the shots were that. I liked Rondo's left jab, I thought, won the fight. He really tagged him with it.

This did bring up something that is very important to me because nobody loves NBA fights more than me. I've probably spent more time searching YouTube and dark corners of the internet to find fights than maybe anyone you've ever met. The best fights are when it's two guards. Absolutely. When it's big guys, first of all,

the big muscle guys can't throw and they end up like the worst fight of all time was Larry Johnson versus Alonzo Mourning. They're just throwing bombs that are missing by seven feet. You want like, it's almost like in boxing where the best fights are always like the welterweights, the super lightweights, the junior middleweights, like that kind of weight class because you got speed and strength. So Rondo-Chris Paul is almost like a dream matchup. That's a perfect fight.

We see this in the movies all the time. When the people get bigger and bigger and bigger and then you've got like these giant monsters fighting each other yeah pacific rim it's not any fun to watch because they're so big they move so slow whatever but if you get a movie where it's like like the one where it was jet lee versus jet lee like yeah now we're talking and that's what rondo chris paul was two guys who have been smaller than everybody on the basketball court their whole lives, and they have lived in that world where you have to be extra aggressive and extra mean. They've probably been, I would guess, between the two of them in 25 fights in their life, basketball-related fights. They knew— Like, they're ready.

Two assholes. Two Napoleon Complex assholes who carry themselves—and I mean that endearingly who carry themselves like with this, are you looking at me? You got a problem? What's going on? Both of those dudes will throw down or think about throwing down. Um, I,

I, I think in an actual fight, if it was in a ring, I think Rondo wins. I think he's got the reach. He's got the reach. He's a freakish athlete. Um,

I think he can bend, you know, he's, he can bend his elbows, his elbow bend. That's going to be like a super punch somehow. Yeah. Uh. I think he can bend his body certain ways. His elbow bend. That's going to be like a super punch somehow. Yeah. I think I give him the thing going away.

I really enjoyed it. I even like Brandon Ingram coming in with the wild miss. Oh, I loved it. I knew Steven Jackson was going to weigh in the next day with his appreciation for Brandon Ingram trying to knock somebody's head off. Nobody got hurt. I liked when Carmelo got mad at Brandon Ingram the next day about how there's no place in basketball for that. Meanwhile, he punched Marty Collins and ran backwards 50 feet

in 2006. I remember that one. We had to pretend that didn't happen apparently with Carmelo. I love the bad blood though. I think this is great. This is the league we grew up with. Give me bad blood. Nobody got hurt. This is the best thing that could with. Give me bad blood. Nobody got hurt. This is the best thing that could have happened. It was like the first Lakers home game, right?

Yeah. The number one, the very first time they get to play at home. Everybody's already watching. And then it erupts into this tic-tac fight. Like, it was great. It was great, Bill. I like Brandon Ingram more than ever. And I loved his F.U. shove a Harden that started the whole thing

where he was just like you know what not only did you throw your body into me and actually elbow me and somehow I got the foul call but now you're bitching to the ref F you and just shoved him it was great there was so much disdain to it it actually made me wonder if

James Harden took a little bit of a hit you know in the hierarchy because he's the reigning MVP right now. There should be a little more respect for James Harden. Brandon Ingram was like, screw you, dude. Get the F out of here. Brandon was not interested in participating in James Harden's

highlight reel. All right. We're going to wrap it up. Shay, you are working on a podcast the rumors are true we're gonna have details much later but I know people are asking for a Shay podcast we do have something something brewing

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Anyway, here he is, Quavo. Well, it's really hard for me to impress my son, but last week we were backstage at the Amigo Strait concert. We met Quavo. He successfully put off a handshake with you.

I was very proud. And then you admired his Jordans and you said he was dripping and he got to go to school on Monday and tell everyone at school how excited he was. He felt very validated. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yes, man. He's only 10 years old, but it was, it was, it was a highlight for him.

That's all about it. That's what, that's what I do it for. That concert was awesome. Thank you. And it was like, so it was what, four nights at Staples and then you moved

to the Forum? Mm-hmm. And do the same. It's just high energy. Just us and Drake got so many records that's going in the clubs and just,

you know what I'm saying, going throughout your cars and throughout your speakers. It's just crazy. And just putting us both in one building and just playing all our hits and all our catalog, it's like a nonstop party. So you came out.

You played for like 50 minutes, something like that, 55 minutes. There's a break. Drake came out. He did his whole thing. Then you guys came out, and then Drake eventually disappeared because he's got to, what does he got to do? Hydrate? What's he doing back there?

He's got to take a breather. He's going too crazy. So what happens when Drake goes backstage when he's between the sets? He probably just go fuel up real quick and come back out. Just kind of like a basketball game. Quick sub real quick. Is he getting a massage? Yeah.

Massage table? Yeah. Some Gatorade? Yeah, some Gatorade. A trainer back there working out his hamstrings? It's all a massage? Yeah. Massage table? Yeah. Some Gatorade? Yeah, some Gatorade. A trainer back there working on his hamstrings? It's all laid out, yeah. Well, one thing I noticed, so the stage is laid out. It's basically even bigger than a basketball court.

Yeah, it's the same. And you guys are all moving around. It's actually the same size of a basketball court. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys are burning some calories, though. Yeah, it's like suicides every night. So you got to say you had a big training session beforehand?

Yeah, we played basketball off season just to keep the cardio going. I mean off, not off season, on the off days just to keep the cardio going.

Yeah, I was, Drake, because you guys at least, in Migos, there's three of you and you have, you know, the three of you

are out there and you got the awesome DJ in the middle with the whole stand. And Draco's out. He's just by himself with his mic. He got the full stage. And he, and he. But a stage production makes up for a lot of the floor.

You know what I mean? The floor is changing. 3D screen come down. I don't want to tell too much because, you know, I don't want the people to miss it. But it's crazy. It's all over. Got a flying Ferrari. I have a secret for you. I think people to miss it, but it's crazy. It's all over the, got a flying Ferrari. I have a secret for you.

I think people have seen it on social media. Yeah, they've seen it. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And it's like when there's a surprise guest or whatever, that thing's on Twitter and Instagram for five seconds. You just see like highlights. You don't see the naked ladies swimming

underneath his feet and stuff. Exactly. What, the, how would you describe the, the clothes that you guys are wearing? Cause they look like $6 million man, spacesuits crossed with like.

Exactly. You're exactly right. So is that for like the, the athleticism of it? Is it nice and light? Nice and light. Cool. Got some cool vents in it.

You know, we, we went, we went to, we went to NASA and got the suits prepped. Shut up. Did you really? I wouldn't believe that. Did you really go to NASA? You can imagine what the Migos do.

You went to NASA? Had to get those cool suits. You know, we got takeoff. You know, he the rocket. So we had to like go down there and get real scientific facts for the suits are people allowed to buy those in stores or it's just like you have the only ones actually we're coming with like a replica three three three piece day suits uh for halloween so yeah this is important information because my son has not decided who he wants to be for Halloween yet.

Oh, my God. He's going to go crazy when he sees these suits. Is this going to be available? Do you have it for 10-year-olds? Yes, I got this suit right. We just got the mock-ups. And so hopefully we get it this year. But if not, it will be around next year.

He was going to go as John Wick. But if he could go as Quavo, it's happening. Yeah, I'll get him the red suit ASAP. I'm going to try to get him one before would he have to do the grill or no how far does he go it's the stage suit okay it's the stage suit

you know we come out in different colors like red yellow and it's the stage suit with the straps on it I mean that's a great Halloween cause you need you get two friends so it's like a threesome the The three of you come up with a costume. Exactly. That'd be a nice one.

So when you have these off days, how often do you hit the NBA arenas up to play basketball there? Whenever I'm in the town, like Houston, we watch James practice. I'm just watching. And then after they left, we got to shoot around and kick it. Philly, we went to the Philly Stadium. Ben unlocked the door for us and Meek, the hoop. Oh, Ben did? Yeah.

Everywhere we go, they unlock the gym because they know how bad we like to play ball. Yeah, so we pretty much got good answers. It's weird though, right? With the no fans in the... Because we played at Staples a couple of times. It's the depth perception of the basket, the glass backboard, but the no... No, not in the exact arena because our stage is there. So we can't perform. Oh, so you play in the practice center.

Oh, I got you. Practice facility, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, your legacy, you've had a very good career so far. Yes. But really your legacy for me is the celebrity game. Thank you.

Thank you. You came out of nowhere. This kid from the streets of Atlanta. Nobody was expecting much. And you came in. What did you have, like 21? I had 19. 19.

You didn't get the ball enough, though. Yeah, and I was just, yeah, off with like rebounds. But this year I'm going to try to go for a 30-piece. Can we tell the story how they were, like, a late addition to the celebrity game? They didn't even realize that you were famous? Yeah, yeah. Actually, me and Justin Bieber was, like, late, but obviously they know why he was put in. Wasn't the story, like, they were using one of your songs for the Celebrity Weekend

and they asked for permission and you were like, well, you guys just said I couldn't be in the Celebrity Game. And they're like, wait, who are you? No, it wasn't like that, but it was tough for me to get in. How was it tough for you to get in? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It was the best idea to have you in.

Yeah, it was. Well, you got to put up a 40 piece next year. I'm going to try. You should be the new Kevin Hart of the celebrity game, except you're actually good at basketball. Yeah. I got to do a double, double,

triple, double. I coached the game in 2014. I was the coach on one side and Jalen was the coach in the other. And we picked teams and I ended up with Kevin Hart and he lost me the game. He had like 14 turnovers, but I had Michael B. Jordan on my team.

Who's actually really good at basketball and played in high school. And I was like, so Jalen, I made this big bet. And I was like, I got this. I got Michael B. Jordan.

And he just didn't get the ball enough. He was like getting mad on the sidelines. I'm like trying to calm Michael B. Jordan down. I felt like a real coach. Yeah, the celebrity guy. I'm trying to calm him down. And he ended up, he missed four free throws down the stretch.

I lost to Jalen. I missed two free throws, but not back to back. It was like one missed one. I could have had 20. I think we had like a bet to if I got 20 and I ended up with 19, I was so sick. Bieber's pretty good at basketball that's also unexpected yeah he's pretty good

he can hoop left hand he shoots with the left who else who are the other celebrities you respect as hoopers uh

I like Drake Game Drake Game is it's calm settle kind of like what's that what's his game like he kind of floats

around the three play light D oh really you game like? He kind of floats around the three, play light D. Oh, really? You know what I'm saying? Get back to the three. You got to run out there every time because you don't know where the hell you at on the flow. It sounds like he should be in the rackets. Yeah, he like to dance around the three-point line a lot. So he's like a stretch four?

What is he? He's like a shifty. He plays off the ball or does he have the ball? No, he don't have the ball. That's what I'm saying. He's just sneaking around. He's just sneaking around, catching screens. You know, the whole team looking out for him.

So they like. Oh, yeah, because they want to pass the Drake. Yeah, so he might get up and hit him, knock it down. So he's like a Klay Thompson. You forget he's out there? It's not that wet. It's not that wet. No, no, no.

What is it? He like to move like Clay. So, and everybody who works for him and with him is probably interested in getting him the balls, which is possible. Yeah, triple screens, double screens, like going through a maze the whole game. They always say that. I've talked to a couple different people who used to be in Obama's games when he was in the White House. Yeah. I've talked to a couple different people he used to be in Obama's games when he was in the White House and they said he's actually good at basketball but it was

also you didn't want to like really totally D up Obama because he's the president so when he's going left you kind of let him go left? Nah if Obama I play Obama I gotta lock him down. You're going at him? I'm going at him. Does Obama play anymore? He still plays.

We gotta arrange this. Let's do it. There's gotta be some Yeah. He still plays. We got to arrange this. Let's do it. There's got to be some sort of... I would like to play on his team, though. I don't want to play against him. This is like historic. Well, yeah, you have the lefty thing. Yeah, we got a lefty thing going.

Well, the lefty thing is... I retired three years ago, in case you're wondering. I know it was on your mind when I stopped playing. But the lefty thing, everybody always forgets about the lefties, that they actually go left. And you remember it, and then 15 minutes passes, and the guy's going back, and you're like,

fuck, he's a lefty. It's an advantage. Yeah, James taught me a couple moves, too. Did he teach you how to travel? Yeah, he taught me. Did he take four steps for a shot? Yeah, he taught me those steps right there. It's a two-step gap. What kind of pressure, because you have this new album out that came out last Friday.

Yep, Quavo Honcho. What kind of pressure do you get from the NBA stars to get name dropped in your album? Do they mention it? Are they curious? Are they expecting it? Are they curious? Are they expecting it? If you balling and doing your job and nine times out of ten an all-star, you're going to get your name called. And then

I only call my personal partners. Do you think it's like a rite of passage for NBA players? Like Jason Tatum, my favorite player right now. It's time for him to get mentioned in a song, I feel like. This is going to be his breakout

year. So it's just a matter of what his first song is going to be. He'll get a shout out, most definitely. So let's say you went into you're writing a song and you're like, I got to work Jason Tatum into this. Would you do it organically or would you actually think about how

to do it? He's calling right actually think about how to do it he's calling right now he wants to be in your no how does the process work it's just off the dome just off the dome you don't even know how it works like it's just it just happens yeah it just happened so when you're writing what's the process uh i haven't wrote a song since- Are you pen and paper? No, I'm just like this. The microphone in front of me and I have my computer right here. I'm just here and record. Oh, and you're just freelancing the whole time?

Yeah, and I record and just lay down records and then hit the space bar, stop. Just look what he doing. Just like that. I swear. That's Nephew Kyle right there. That's nothing different. So that's. I swear. That's Nephew Kyle right there. It's nothing different. So that's how I've been recording my whole career. Well, but with Migos, so you had two other people. So how'd that work?

I get out the way and let them record a verse. Scoot the chair back. So it wasn't like you guys weren't, what you would do here, what you would do there. It's just nobody knew what the other person was going to do. And normally we would like make records away from each other. Cause we did like always butt in and make each other say bars. Like when we first came in, like, no,

I don't say that. Say this. So now we get to where we just record ourselves. And then we'd be like, Hey, this is a smash. Get on this one. This is a smash.

You got to get on this one. Oh, this is bad and bullshit. Oh shit. I had to jump on it in LA. I recorded that record in LA. Off, this bad and bougie. Oh, shit. I had to jump on it in L.A. I recorded that record in L.A. Offset had already made the record. And, like, with Fight Night,

Takeoff had, I think, I want to say, like, he had, like, a couple bars I came in, just said, hit it with it. I said, not the pussy I like, Fight Night. Say that part. I walked off, and you know, he had the whole smash.

Like, he just, everybody, like, we feed off each other, and then sometimes we be like, no, don't come in. Let me kill it. So when you were doing Fight Club, did you realize that it was going to be the greatest song? Fight Night. Did you realize it was going to be the greatest song of the decade? No.

I knew it was going to be great, but I didn't know it was going to be one of the greatest songs. That was all I wanted to say. That was how I found out about you guys. Yeah. Remember Brown at Landon's Own? Yeah. I was having a holiday party for Grantland,

and I was like, I need some new songs. Tell me. It was like, what was it, 2013? Or 2014? Somewhere. One of those years. And I was like, I need some new songs. And he sent me like five songs

and I heard that and I was in the car I was texting him in the car I was like what the fuck is this this is amazing he's like yeah Atlanta

then we shot the video we shut down the whole uh Fox theater and the street P Street shut down the whole

like road for the video it was epic Julio came out um I think his car in the video like road for the video it was epic Julio came out um I think his car in the video

his car in the video yeah Julio white Ferrari in the video so when did he when did he befriend you guys

uh he's good friends with my CEO uh P and we we've been friends ever since you know

they've been locked in but we just know him off of meeting him through P friends ever since you know they've been locked in but we just know him off of meeting him with through P so ever since then it's just been organic

so was he like Versace early or was he like you waited till Fando early Julio been around since he first came to Atlanta

when you were on Atlanta did you realize that like all the beams were crossing? Yeah. All these different Atlanta things were just... It started making sense. I mean, because we're part of Atlanta culture, you know what I'm saying? Being from the north side of Atlanta, we, you know what I'm saying?

Everything that come through Atlanta now got to come through us or, you know what I'm saying? Our label, our family that's running Atlanta because it's all like a family tree, you know what i'm saying our label our family that that's running atlanta because it's all like a family tree you know yeah and that's how we feel with like the super bowl which is gonna be now in atlanta and they did the halftime and they did not pick no atlanta natives at all they they picked maroon five that wasn't good enough i mean not discrediting not the down talk maroon they're they're talented but they're not from atlanta they're not from atlanta i mean superbowl's performance is not about where they're from anyway but it's just this one would be would have been organic you know i mean like even getting uh shit a georgian country or rock

singer or something like like just to just to be a part of, you know what I'm saying, the South and to show the Southern tradition. You know what I mean? If you want to do traditional things, NFL, which they always do. Well, you know what they should have done. Yeah, what they should have done. And they don't get to vote from the players. They should, like, let the players vote.

Because all the dance moves all the style all the way of life they you know what I'm saying put in the game

is like all like hip hop it's all cultural things you know what I mean so what would have been your dream Super Bowl halftime you guys are there us there

can we get OutKast you can get OutKast Gucci Gucci for sure who else we wanna see T.I. out there you can have Lil Jon come crank the crowd

you know what I'm saying we love Lil Jon CeeLo Green we got a lot of people that's a lot of people for 20 minutes though but everybody gets they own like

one minute you know what I'm saying it's a cultural thing. You pop up like boom, boom, damn, you just hit them with a timeline of Atlanta culture. You know what I mean? See, it was such a missed opportunity in so many ways. For sure. And then you realize that.

You could have topped it off with the ludicrous Jermaine Dupri welcome to Atlanta. New style with a little Migos and we could have intertwined that with we could have went in the lab and like created a new Welcome to Atlanta with us and Jermaine and Luda. Perform that. Outcast come out, do it with CeeLo Green.

Lil' John crank the crowd up. What? How can you turn that down? So here's what has to happen. Maroon 5 has to do the right thing and bow out. They just have to leave and say, you know what? We're blocking one of the great pop culture moments of all time. That's a lot of money, Maroon 5.

We're going to turn it down, but we'll straighten you out, Maroon. Here's why it didn't happen. I don't know if you know this, but the NFL is owned by a bunch of old rich white guys and probably didn't understand one of the names that you just mentioned it's all good

I guarantee they didn't even talk about it cause if they had talked to anybody who knew anything they would have been like you guys realize you can have the greatest Atlanta music moment ever

let the players vote or let the players decide on the halftime have you seen how the owners treat the players in the NFL? Exactly. So at least give that to the players. Well, so maybe, I'm not willing to

give this up yet. Maybe NBA, because you know the NBA loves sticking it to the NFL. Always. NBA is the culture. But maybe they do that for All-Star Weekend. They have, they're like the Atlanta get-together. No, but they get everybody. Yeah, that'd be dope. But I credit the NBA because they do their job.

You know what I mean? They respect the culture. And they let us perform, us and Pharrell, last year. And like you said, let me play. Let me get in late. You know what I'm saying? They do stuff kind of the cultural way, like straight up. They do it the right way. let people have a chance to speak.

I think NFL need to kind of open that door a little bit, let the players, you know, express themselves. They doing it with the touchdown dance, but I feel like. Yeah, it's like they're allowing it. Yeah. All right, we'll let you guys do this one. Because there's so much tight things going on. You played football in high school

and are known as one of the better music athletes we have. Who's your competition? Who's your competition in the hip hop slash athlete pantheon? Nobody's not better than us. We always win games.

Everybody I don't play I don't want a game on them so what was your were you best at football or basketball I was best at football

but don't nobody want to play football no more you can't play pick up football did you think about playing in college uh no

the music started controlling me right at the high school what does controlling you mean like like you just that was in your blood Uh, nah. The music started controlling me right after high school. What does controlling you mean? Like. Like you just, that was in your blood, you could feel it. Yeah, this is my life.

I'm putting all my money into myself, investing my money into my craft, paying DJs, hitting the clubs, buying drinks, buying CDs, trying to paint the world without flyers, and, you know, just doing, like, groundwork. How much of the tradition that Atlanta had built up musically over since the early mid-'90s basically led to you wanting to do it? Just when I was growing up, I used to see all the rappers hang out together, you know what I mean? And it looked so cool instead of just beefing yeah and other artists

like like not like in New York and they had like separation because they was beefing you had like 50 Cent versus Ja Rule and you had D

just went D different people beefing they wasn't like together right and in Atlanta our artists was together

you had Shotta Lo Gucci Mane I think T.I. was the only one that kind of like you know what I'm saying but yeah they had

they own family like Grand Hustle had they own family and they was smoking you know so just seeing like the togetherness like really like

instilled into our minds so when we grew up we wanted to make music and be together with all our peers. And that's how it is today. We make music, everybody from Atlanta. And that's how Atlanta went. And we uplift each artist.

Do you feel like the biggest stars are now smart? Like when did Drake reach out to you guys? Like five years ago? Yeah, five years ago. Because he was on one of your first songs. Yeah, Versace. Yeah, yeah. So 2012?

Yeah. 13, I think. But that's like a great move by Drake, right? He sees like the young up-and-comers with Possible Town. He gets in with you guys, and then you love Drake from that point on. I mean, basically, once you know, if you're a great artist, you know who's going to be great. You know? Right.

You can hear it. You can see it. You can see how they move. You can watch how they move. Even if it need to be sharpened. You know what I'm saying? Even if it need growth. And that's how I feel what he's seen.

Right. I think that's one of the biggest things that's changed with hip hop the last last 10 12 years is the the big dudes actually i guess it started back with jay-z but um but like when i was my generation the early mid-90s everybody was kind of against each other or they would team up and now i'd say it seems like it's much more of a community yes this is better because it leads to more collaborations and leads to more collaborations and less deaths helps more collaborations. It helps more moments. Yeah. Like you say, Maroon 5 got the halftime,

but they still got a song with our sister Cardi B, so I would love to even see them bring her out. That'll make us, that'll make me proud and, you know what I'm saying, make the boys proud and us proud too. That's a good career move if they do that. You know what I'm saying? You could do a diss track about Maroon 5 before the Super Bowl. Nah, for what?

It's not Maroon. It'd be the most unexpected food feud. It's the people who didn't choose us. You could do a diss track in the NFL. The 32 owners. That's the title of the song, 32 owners. Nah, I'm good. I'm straight.

Could you have played football in college uh yeah so what what was what style were you like a like a Mahomes type style

RG3 nah were you were you like scrambled around or were you pocket passer what were you I was like a scrambling

I was like a scrambling pocket passer like Mahomes yeah like scramble outside the pocket and and look down the field still. And lefty. Not a lot of lefty QBs. Yeah, not a lot.

I'm trying to think, who's the best lefty QB? Michael Vick. Yeah, that has to be it, right? How many lefty QBs is there? Scott Mitchell? Yeah, not a lot of good ones. That's the best one to me in my book. Vic.

What's Michael Vic mean to Atlanta right now? Because I know people felt like he let Atlanta down, but now it seems like there's been a renaissance. Yeah, I mean, we love him. He helped shape the culture. You know what I'm saying? He changed the game.

I wish we would have had him longer. We would have been a lot successful. And he helped Rowdy White's career. He ended up retiring in Atlanta and ended up having the most connections, him and Rowdydy in history in atlanta so they made history let's take a break to talk about simply safe there's one thing i know it's that you can never count out the underdog no matter how big the odds people can surprise you that's one reason i like simply safe home security it's an amazing security system that's winning all

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Yeah, we're doing the process. Get two top picks. Trust the process. Yeah, phase right now. We're not tripping. We want Trey to do his thing, have fun, but we know what's going on. We're expecting it. True or untrue, you and the rest of your amigos' buddies have adopted Trey Young,

and he's like the unofficial fourth member. Is that true or untrue? Because I've heard rumors. No, we just call him Ice Trey. We just call him Ice Trey Young. That's it. Ice Trey. Yeah, him Ice Trey. We just call him Ice Trey. That's it. Ice Trey. Yeah, he's Ice Trey.

Did you know that, Tommy? Yeah, that's his nickname. That's a great nickname. Ice Trey. Yeah, yeah. He's got a fin of weld on him. Dude, when you leave, you should just trademark that. Ice Trey, they'll sell the t-shirts. You just got to cut them.

The Ice Trey ones, the Ice Trey twos. Yeah. The shoes. Ice Trey, that's amazing. We got him. So what do we think the ceiling is for him? I'm a huge fan. What would Michael Jordan say?

The ceiling is the roof. Okay. No, I think he's out of here, though. I think he'd do good. He keeps getting compared to Steph, which I like and I don't like, because I don't think Steph is replicable. I don't think we'll ever see Steph again. You might.

I don't know. You might with Trey. You might with Trey. Did you see that 35-footer he made the other day? Yeah, you might with Trey. I think a lot of players are going to come in like Steph. All you got to do is train. I think Steph trained like a true shooter.

Yeah. Like born true shooter. Yeah. Like born true shooter. You know what I'm saying? So that was born in him, but everybody is trying to create a Steph, so you'll probably find one that's close enough. I did not like the trade because I think Doncic is going to be really good. But now for the culture of Atlanta, I don't think it would have been a good fit. Explain.

This is a good theory. So you think the best Hawk cannot be Luka Doncic? It needs to be... It needs to be Trae Young, just because we got a lot... Atlanta needs hype to come down to the arena. You know what I'm saying? Right.

And I think that's a lot of hype for us. And it's like cultural. And he's, you know, young and a part of the new viral videos and the new Young Overtime Slam, House of Highlights, you know, and everybody's seeing everybody hoop. Like he was a part of that hype. And just to have that in Atlanta

is like another city like LA or New York you get what I'm saying well especially if you guys are going to adopt him as the unofficial

fourth member and call him Ice Trey you've read a song called Ice Trey that you're going to single handedly that's what's going to happen yeah you could make this happen

yeah I I worry about how Yeah, you could make this happen. Yeah. I worry about how he's not like a big dude in the pounding of the season. Yeah. And he likes to get physical too. Well, that's the thing. Because in college, he would just go into the, he'd be bouncing off everybody. But in the pros, those dudes are all, you know, that's the one thing I worry about with him. But I think Donchish is going to be really good.

But you made a good case, though. You kind of talked me into that. Yeah. Who do you think is the best hawk of all time? Best hawk? I mean, I have my answer. Dominique? Yeah.

Got to be. Dominique, you know, Jalen Rose is a good friend of mine. He revered Dominique because he said Dominique on and off the court was one of the true legends. Yeah, for sure. You know, he opened a nightclub when he was playing. He had his own nightclub. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah.

Dominique was like a legend all time. I didn't know that. But in Atlanta, nobody knew it was going on. It was just like, it was just going, like magic was out here in LA. Yeah. With the celebrities, everybody knew, but Dominique was just quietly a like Magic was out here in LA with the celebrities everybody knew, but Dominique was just quietly a legend. That's hard.

Does he? He's still at the games. He's at every game. Ask him. Ask him about the nightclub. Okay, cool. I'm going to ask him. Think about that.

NBA star. Nightclub going and going. Yeah. Tell me about that nightclub in the 80s. Yeah. Okay. Think about that. Imagine NBA star now opening their own nightclub

and naming it after themselves and then going there after games. Oh, the club was called Dominique Wilkins? I think it was something like Neeks. Wow. Now, some of this might be urban legend. I don't know. Okay. I'm going to ask my mama.

Yeah, ask her. When did you feel like Atlanta, the renaissance, was officially happening? Because it seemed like about three, four years ago of a sudden atlanta was all over the place in all these different ways maybe 2016 but could you feel it though because you're from there and you love atlanta and you don't even see it yeah uh i want to say i want to say when they came when LA moved to Atlanta to shoot all the movies

oh yeah yeah and they start like building studios and I think when that started happening they realized that it was a culture thing going on there and then the music was just going itself and then while you when you came you had to hear the music on the radios.

Yeah, yeah. Hear the music in the clubs. Hear the music in the cars passing by you. And it just became a natural thing. I think it was organic when Hollywood moved to Atlanta. Do you think it's the epicenter of black culture right now? Yeah, for sure. Because Washington calls itself Chocolate City.

I don't know. You might have to tell them to refrain. No, no. Yeah, for sure. Because Washington calls itself Chocolate City. I don't know. You might have to tell them to refrain. No. No. Yeah, but Atlanta is hot right now. I think the show, having one of the best TV shows actually called Atlanta really helps. Most definitely.

All the music that's come out. That was just more fuel to the fire. Yeah. It really does seem like a movement. I was always like- Then he won awards and he got on and said, Bad and Bougie is the best song in the world. It made everybody put their attention on the city of Atlanta. Were you worried when he started making a show called Atlanta?

Like when you heard about it, you were like, oh no. No, because I knew where Donald was really from. Right. A lot of people didn't think he was from Atlanta. I know he's from Stone Mountain, and that's like 20 minutes away from the north side. That's where we from. When he first came out with his album and his tape,

and I was like, oh, yeah, I already know him. He's from up the way over there by Stone Mountain, Latonya. And when he came out with Atlanta, I was like, oh yeah, this finna get like, he gonna go like really like north side Atlanta. So it's like, it's not, it's not in the city. It's not, it's not city Atlanta. Like it's, it's, it's north Atlanta. It's Stone Mountain, like where you from.

So break down Atlanta to me, north Atlanta, where you're from. North Atlanta is like 20 minutes outside the city of Atlanta. So describe north Atlanta to me in one sentence. It north side Gwinnett but what but what what's the personality of North Atlanta uh is it different it's diverse everybody not black it's diverse everybody not black it's like different black hispanic asian and they all from different spots and they all came into like one like my school was so diverse but we were so trending like we i don't know it was kind of like we was the new kids on the block but we from from different sides and we made up, you know what I'm saying, the gang, the Migos, the boys, the Northside, like it came like, it kind of came like a cool thing to be around and just being like inside of Atlanta. Cause you had T.I. and Jeezy and everybody they had, they, Atlanta field, they was the city of Atlanta.

Them the hard boys of Atlanta, you know what I'm saying? So we had to come outside and do our thing. Is there a South Atlanta? Does North Atlanta have a rival? South Atlanta, East Atlanta. Who's North Atlanta's rival? North Atlanta, we don't got a rival. We good.

Because we just came in to the city. We was not getting called out for, we was not getting recognition for a minute. Like outside until we came in and stated that and like start screaming no side what uh like all these years later the 96 olympics and all that what's the legacy of that to atlanta for you uh i remember um i was at athens and i seen like the cross country runner run with the torch. Yeah.

All the way through from like Athens to Atlanta. I was, I was a kid and just having my mom just having me out there just made me feel like I was a part of something huge. And then that was my, I wanted to see Muhammad Ali, but I couldn't cause it was like at night and my mama went. Yeah. And she seen him, man. I would just, Muhammad Ali was my favorite athlete in the world.

Like just to see him come to Atlanta and hold that torch up, it was big for like state of Georgia. Who do you think that Muhammad Ali is now for this generation? I mean, obviously there's nobody who's exactly like him, but who, cause it felt like this year LeBron hit some level of popularity that I just never expected. Yeah. I say LeBron. For people under 30, he's like their guy. Yeah. I say LeBron.

And he did the stuff with the school this summer? LeBron and Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick. Have you talked to him? Yeah. Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick. Have you talked to him? Yeah. Colin Kaepernick may be, yes, he's the Ali of our time right now. So when he's moving in the circles, you feel like there's a respect for him? For sure. Because of the stuff that has happened the last two years and the stuff he's given up

and sacrificed all that. Most definitely. He sacrificed his whole career and that's what Ali did to fight for something that was right. Hmm. I mean, it's funny. I watch football every Sunday and there's like eight quarterbacks who should

it be starting in the NFL. And I, and I keep waiting for somebody to be like, screw it. Let's go with Kaepernick. Let's try it. Because the PR of it would actually be really smart for the team, and it would deflect.

If the Giants did it right now, the Giants are terrible. If they did it, everybody would just talk about Kaepernick. Yeah, that's what we go back to the NFL, have to tap into the culture. We understand that we like football. We understand that we love football and we cannot just not turn on the TV and see it. But you cannot force that on us. You know what I'm saying?

I think, like, really, like, satisfy the people that come to see it. We like seeing it because it's football. Yeah. But you can make the show way more entertaining if it feels just organic what about i mean baseball it seems like it's just losing the black community not really they just we just did the playoff commercial we just did the whole thing so you think that's how they're coming, they're getting back because they're starting to tap into that. They're tapping in, yes. Because I did notice that commercial because

my Red Sox are still alive. Exactly. And I was like, oh, look at baseball. Yeah. Bringing Amigos to China. Exactly. You see, I just, that's how it would be in the NFL if they did it. You know, it's just all about being tapped into the youth and just learning how long

how long this like how long we all been watching different sports and we know we understand the tradition but now it's time for like a whole new tradition to start yeah like this tradition been going on since we've been separated and, you know, like, the race thing. Like,

now it's time to just go straight mixy and all the way new, you know, like, just a whole

new script. Right. What's the biggest pressure you have now being a famous, famous celebrity who, who has a high

profile and loves to do what he does for a living? I just try to do much as possible for the kids in my community. Yeah, that's what, I got you. I did Huncho Hoops. I did Huncho, Huncho, you just messing me up. The football thing on my birthday, Huncho day in messing me up the football thing

on my birthday Huncho day in the A on my birthday that was that was football I had all the players from the NFL coming to

my event on April 2nd it was at Berkman High School the high school I came from I grew up in all my friends

I called them myself I didn't get no PR no nothing I called them myself asked them to come. They came and showed love. We had like a flag football game. I remember this.

There was a lot of people in that game. A lot of people. Yeah. A lot of people in the game. You should televise that. Yeah. We'll run it next year in the ringer. Yeah, we tried last year, but it was so tough.

They didn't know how much I was going to bring out. Yeah. Well, they know now. Exactly. And one day I had like shuttles, like six, seven, eight buses picking up kids, dropping them off, bringing them back, dropping them off. I had tons of water. Shout out to Jaden Smith for bringing the waters.

He had just water, brought like tons of carts of water for all the waters. He had just water. Brought like tons of carts of water for all the kids. Pizzas. Blaze pizza. LeBron pizza. Fed all the kids. I had Easter egg hunt on the baseball field at my school. And I did Huncho Hoops, I think

three days ago behind Capitol. Laid the hardwood down. Shot a video. Brought like the high school kids just to see all the top basketball high school kids, just to see how professional things work, just to let them see, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. still like give back to the kids so i just brought all the kids and had the dance team small from like all ages and had a drum line there had the honcho mascot there had the dj out there had the pizza like i just want to lay out a big party for all the community to just come and have fun and i try to do this that's every time i do an event like a project or just my birthday i want to celebrate it with the world um you've got to know drake over these last six years what's something about

drake that you know that i wouldn't know about him as a as a he liked to work hard um you know that uh just like what's the biggest thing you've learned from him just just the particulars like stage sets and production and lights and making sure everything right making sure sound right making sure the fans is satisfied sometimes the we got to like change seatings and make sure the whole pit is just super packed just so we get the energy. So we make them come down from the top, come down to the bottom, and the top get refilled. It's like crazy.

Yeah, he was very attentive to all the people right around, making sure he was like connecting with them. Because it's hard. They can't see the 3D. Right. They can't see like the real production or the screen because they're eye level with the stage

yeah so you really gotta do your attention towards the pit Drake does this thing when he's out there where he does the whole he really makes it feel

like it's the most special night he's ever played because of the crowd you know every night is the most special night this is great you know LA

it's always great to be here but tonight it's really great. And I just fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. I know he said it the next night too, but I really felt like our crowd was the special crowd. Everybody is a special crowd. Every night is a special crowd. Every time it's filled up, sold out, it's special.

All right, but you believe that. But when you're in Atlanta, that's probably when you're the most jazzed up, right? It's got to be the best play at home. Yes, for sure. Ain't no place like home. When we go home, they're going to show too much love. What's the best place to play in Atlanta?

What size is the arena? Well, now it's the State Farms Arena. State Farm, it was the Phillips. But is that, would you rather play 18,000 or would you rather play like 2,000 packed is that, would you rather play 18,000 or would you rather play like 2,000 packed? No, I'd rather play 18,000. That was my dream,

playing in the Phillips Arena for Birthday Bash. And we did that 2012 and ever since then, that's the spot the players like, playing in the garden. That makes sense. I'm trying to think.

I had one. Oh. You're related to the other two members of Migos, which I didn't realize until I did a quick check to make sure I wasn't going to, there were any facts I didn't know. And I was like, wait a second. Those guys are related?

I just thought you were like buddies. No, take off my nephew. It's my sister's son. Yeah. What's the age difference uh three years four

wait yeah three four years so you guys have known each other your whole lives basically yeah so when did you start kind of doing the

since I was like 14 15 years old and were you like I'm gonna we're gonna have a band someday we're gonna do this we're gonna play in the Phillips yeah

we used to always say that and did the family be like guys shut up that's not happening And were you like, we're going to have a band someday. We're going to do this. We're going to play in the Phillips. Yeah. We used to always say that. And did the family be like, guys, shut up. That's not happening. Stop saying that. No, they just used to be like, all right. No, OK. OK, yeah. We'll come see you at the Phillips.

That'll be awesome. Yeah, well, all right. 2018. Yeah. No Asian ain't really going to shut it down. Like, OK, all right. Because when I heard you doing the solo album, I was like, oh, well, of course. you know AJ ain't really gonna shut it down like okay alright cause you know when I heard you

doing the solo album I was like oh well of course like bands don't last like people that you know when it's two or three

or four or whatever but then now I realize you're related now I know you'll be there you'll be together forever now yeah for sure if you weren't related

it might be a little more problematic yeah if it wasn't but nah we family, man. It's just, like I said, we've been sitting at the same Thanksgiving table every year ever since we've been growing up, ever since toddler size. So I love to see my nephew go crazy. He'll love to see his uncle go crazy.

He'll love to see my cousin go crazy. Do you guys feel like you have chemistry on stage? Because I was really, like, that's unique to you guys. Because I was really impressed by how you moved around and used the stage. But you always, you never overlapped or anything. You always kind of had your own section and you moved. It was almost like watching, like, in basketball or something when the defense is moving right and the defense shifts and the shooter comes over and everybody goes to the right spots. Yeah.

And you just did that the whole time. It was like instinctive. Yeah, pretty organic. We got real chemistry. We didn't even like really used to rehearse until like the week before tour. That was our first time ever even rehearsing because we just know how. Right. It's easy.

It's flowing because we've just been with each other all our lives can we talk about Lebron's dancing yeah he got some moves on him he can crank he just a little bit I think they should've

given him a mic yeah I thought cause he ran out there he was just kinda hopping around it's like can we give him a mic he just wants to

sing along he was like the hype man he did a good job he's like Bundini Brown yeah they did a good job I don't know what he's supposed to do he don't

he don't I mean he don't he don't rap so he don't got to grab that mic. He wouldn't have done one thing on the mic? Nothing? No, no, no. We should have had a basketball goal out there. Could have came out and started doing warm-ups. He should have left the half-court shot.

Yeah, they should have left. Oh, he shot it? No, he should have. They should have had him come out and do the half-court. He would have sunk it. He would have made it. Another 25,000 gone. If he missed it, it would have been disappointing.

We ought to give it to a fan with like some LeBrons. Sign, tell LeBron, come on with that 20. If you just sign for what? How much? The biggest, largest bag in LA history. I got to say, I hate the Lakers with every bone in my body. Because I'm a Celtics fan. Nah.

I like having. This is going to be amazing. I like having LeBron in LA. It just feels right. It's the city of celebrities and he's one of the biggest celebrities. And that's how we feel right now in Atlanta with Trey.

That's what I was telling you. Ice Trey. Ice Trey. Do you hold any animus toward the Celtics with Dominique versus Larry, 1988? It's previous generation from you. The duel.

Larry Bird. Nick had 47. Larry Bird just wasn't good enough to beat the legend. I wasn't around back then. I was at that game. Dominique had the greatest dunk I've ever seen in my life in that game. He missed from the foul line and just followed up and dunked. I wish I could watch an 80s basketball game live on the floor.

Dominique missed his calling. Yeah. If he was here now, people would lose their fucking minds. Because he would, out of anybody, he loved dunking on people. So if somebody was the rims here and somebody's two feet away, he would jump toward the guy that was two feet away and then dunk. All he wanted to do was dunk on people. And, you know, back then it was.

I mean, the game was a lot tougher, so. Yeah, you were going to get clotheslined if you did that. Yeah. I mean, I said, the game's soft now. I wish, and everybody's friends. I don't like that. I like it for what you do for a living, but in basketball, I wish there was more, there was a little more bad blood.

Yeah. I wish there was more smoke. No. I wish the Celtics and Warriors there was like you know cause I think that's gonna be the next

big rivalry and I wish those guys were taking talking shit it got real last what the last Warriors Cavs game

with LeBron it got real it got real intense LeBron shoved Curry the dirty the dirty yeah the dirty secret sauce is LeBron and Curry don't like each other

yeah they got a little physical they're on each other's corner you know then you got Boogie gonna come in this year it's gonna start getting spicy this year LeBron thought there's a lot of players playing with passion right now oh yeah LeBron thought he was the biggest star

in the league and then Curry in that Warriors team made the jump and Curry became the most popular guy with the kids. I don't think LeBron liked it. And I think there's a little, just a little, and they played in four straight finals together. It's a little something there. I think LeBron don't give a damn. No, he cares. He cares. I'm telling you.

That's why he went to the Lakers. He needed a better team. He needed a bigger city. He needed more money. Well, that's film, bro. Well, he wanted to do that stuff, too. Maybe he'll make a movie about you. Are you being Space Jam? I can't wait.

Space Jam, are you available? Space Jam, Huncho, let's go. Where'd the Huncho come from? Leader of the team. Just like the king. Did you invent that or is it an actual word? I invented it. Huncho. It's in the dictionary. I think it's spelled H-O-N.

I took the O. Oh, Huncho. Yeah. So you made it Huncho. Yeah. That was smart. Tell me about your new album. My album out right now, I worked hard for it. It's called Quavo Huncho, 1 through 19 bangers.

I put some real sauce on the productions. I brought people into my world. Just a great project. I feel good about it. It's my first solo project, and it's doing good. What made you want to do a solo album and what was your number one goal? Just wanted to give my fans a real foundation to find my music. I had a lot of features out.

You just type in Quavo, seeing a whole bunch of features with no home base to get myself off from. So I just wanted to come out with an album. So now when you type in my name, you see, you can go, you can go somewhere to a home based and get my real catalog. Yeah. All right.

So we've accomplished two things today. We gave Trey Young a nickname. Ice Trey. That's now public. That's out there. Yes, sir. And then we're staging a coup d'etat with the Super Bowl halftime show. Yeah,

we're going to, we're turning that into an Atlanta show. Can we disrupt the program? Maroon 5, they can be there, but they're just going to be over on the side kind of clapping for everybody else. A hacking system to hack the network. Oh, to hack the network. As soon as halftime come on, it's just like, interrupt this program to show you the real halftime show. Then Lil Jon come through, what?

Get on it. Wait, I have the idea. I think this will work. So the Phillips Arena, nothing's going to be in there that night, right? So you get another network to do the real halftime show. And you have all the Atlanta people there and then when the game goes to halftime, you flick over the other channel

and then it's like Atlanta royalty and just go for the next half hour. That's a great idea. That could work. I'm giving that to you, Quavo. Oh yeah, I'm going to call the wrestlers. You call that the honcho halftime show? Yes, sir.

You get everybody. Yeah. Who's turning you down for that idea? Oh, nobody. You'd be like, they're trying to take our city away from us. Maroon 5 is the halftime show. That can't happen.

That can't happen with Big Peach. This got nothing to do with Maroon 5, bro. No, it's fine. We're not mad at them. We're mad at the other people, bro. Yeah, take your city back. Okay. Phillips Arena.

I got you. What channel? We'll take dinners right now. Oh, it's the State Farm Arena? State Farm Arena. Okay, let's get it. We. Phillips arena. I got what channel we'll take. Right now. Oh, it's the state farm. State farm arena. Okay. Let's get it.

We're doing it. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, man. All right. Thanks so much to Quavo. Thanks to Shay Serrano. Thanks to zip recruiter.

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