The Bill Simmons Podcast - Never Bet Against Mahomes and Other Super Bowl Lessons With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to break down the Chiefs' win over the Eagles in Super Bowl LVII, Pat Mahomes’s GOAT potential, the Eagles' defense not showing up, the controversial holding penalty near the end of the game, and what the 2024 Super Bowl odds look like. They close it out with the final Parent Corner of the season. Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I predicted it before the season and then abandoned them multiple times and lost money on the Eagles tonight. Sal, will people remember this game for Mahomes or for a garbage call at the end? I hope they remember it for Mahomes. And I had the Chiefs, by the way. Getting a point and a half. My God. I just think it's weird that we're at a place

where we can't even believe them. Like, all right, do we go with the most courageous, miraculous comeback of all time for a person who like should have his leg amputated? Or is this a fake injury? And now I'm hearing more fake injury than anything else.

Now he's Cowboy Bob Orton all of a sudden with the arm, with the cast that was on for three years too long. You know, I was watching SportsCenter after and Mahomes did a stand-up interview with Chris Berman and Steve Young

and Booger and was just standing on the set for five minutes, casually talking about the game. And I'm like, I thought his ankle was bent five different ways. What's going on? And sprinted to get to Berman, right? He was like, oh, he's over there. All right, I can get there in under three and a half seconds. He could

get to me all the way. Well, maybe this will lead to a new football philosophy where teams will pretend their guys hurt more than it is or whatever because it worked. It was one of the reasons people were picking the Eagles this week was, ah, Mahomes, you can't really move.

Keep playing this game. What did he scramble for? 30 yards? How long was that? At some point when you're running that fast and that far, whenever you come down, that's it, man. It's going to hurt. It's going to sting. Unless they carry you into the end zone, you're in trouble. But that was when I thought,

oh, come on. He got right up. He shook it off. It is a weird thing, but I mean, he won MVP. He's plus 130. You were going to give it to him anyway. He had under 200 yards passing, right? But the three touchdowns and just, I guess, by the fact just being in there and everything else,

he deserves it. He was awesome. He, after he hurt his ankle, he went 13 for 14 for 92 yards and two TDs. We could talk about the bad ref stuff, but I think we should talk about Mahomes and I think we should talk about how bad the Eagles' defense was

for what we were expecting. They sucked. I can't remember. Can you remember three plays they made? Like, somebody tagged Pacheco in the fourth quarter. Really good hit. That was a good play.

They didn't tip a pass. They didn't create a turnover. I don't think they had... Did they have a sack, or they had a sack where Mahomes ran out of bounds, but it turned out to be a BMI? No, the Chiefs had a sack when Hurts ran out of bounds. The Eagles, I don't think they had, did they have a sack or they had a sack where Mahomes ran out of bounds, but it turned out to be a BMI? No, the Chiefs had a sack when Hurts ran out of bounds. The Eagles, I don't think, had a sack.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you know, how many games do we see where, oh, but a quarterback, he should have had three interceptions. Nothing close at all with that for Mahomes, right? That wasn't really one play, but it's like, wow, that should, and I needed Mahomes to throw an interception to cash a pretty substantial parlay. On the other side, too, I think Hurts only threw one ball up for grabs. Otherwise, it was very clean. No sacks, no nothing.

No holds really called until that last one, which made it even worse. The Mahomes resume, two-time Super Bowl champ, two-time Super Bowl MVP. That's a pretty small list. Twice an MVP. That's a pretty small list. Twice an MVP. He has been twice the passing

touchdowns leader, once the passing leader, has made the Pro Bowl five years in a row. And this feels like the start of something. There's some goat potential now. Because you need to get those two early. Brady got the three early. And then you need to get the one more. Brady got the three early and then you need to win this one for sure.

Yeah. It's a little bit different. They caught lightning in a bottle in some ways with how well they did with the draft, which was you give them credit for that. But at the same time, when you have this many rookies that make that big gamble with the Tyree Kill trade, you really have to hit your draft.

And they did. They took a bunch of gambles on the Schuster, Kadarius, Tony, those types of guys. And all of them made plays in this game. Schuster was the one that got interfered with at the end. Tony made a big punt return off one of the worst punts in the history of the

Superbowl, a line drive that was directed in a way that Tony could just get the running head start. That was big. But they, they patched this together and it was a really impressive team building. And at the same time,

I felt like they could have lost every one of the playoff games. When do you... Yeah, it's true. When do you start talking, putting him in the conversation with Montana and Brady? Four out of five?

He has to win four out of five Super Bowls? Or three out of four? Yeah, it's so early. It's such a race now, especially in the podcast era where every podcast has to have some sort of big sweeping narrative, whatever. I heard Mark Maron

talking about it. I was like, whoa, calm down, dude. You don't even... He's talking about it as HBO show. He's certainly hitting all the checkpoints, which is the big thing. And I think the thing for me is all the stuff adds up together. Like Kellerman had a tweet that I liked today that I randomly saw where he said, the eyeball test says they're the best. The stats corroborate that impression and their team wins the most.

And that's what Michael Jordan had. And that's why we ended up settling him as the GOAT. And Mahomes is hitting those checkpoints. So I agree with Max. I thought that was a smart point. But there's so much work left. And there's so much luck that goes into this. And I think Brady ended up, he got the seven.

He got the six with the Pats. And that seven easily could have been 10. It also could have been three. So you need, you got to win those 50-50 games. You're very mature the way you're analyzing this, could have been 3. You know, so you need, you gotta win those 50-50 games. You're very mature the way you're analyzing this, I have to say. Well, I lost money. Most Patriots fans say that 7 should have been 10. Right.

I lost money in Philly, but I never felt awesome either way. I mean, there's a reason the line was 1.5. And, you know, you're thinking like if you'd taken KC, your theories were don't bet against Mahomes. Don't bet against Vegas, which we should talk about in a second. Don't overreact to the dominant team that had the bad schedule, which is basically Philly, all the quarterbacks.

That was a big talking point last two weeks. And then something I didn't realize, there was a little nobody believes in us with the Chiefs offensive line, which a couple people mentioned. We're taping this podcast. It was actually probably about an hour plus after the game. And that was the theme in the postgame where they were like, oh, yeah, we saw all the stuff about Hassan Redick as the MVP. They saw all that stuff. And the offensive line was awesome today. Certainly better than I thought they were going to be. Did you think that was going to be a problem for them today? Because I did. I didn't think it would be as big a problem as it was against Tampa when they couldn't get anything off, right? Mahomes is running for his life. But I don't know if he's smarter or the offensive line is better. I guess it was just better. But, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.

I bet a bunch of Eagles would get a sack, and they didn't. Fletcher Cox and all the guys. But, yeah, I, I just, they, I have to say Andy Reed, you know, not as much praise as my homes,

but for God's sakes, when those guys are wide open for touchdowns, that's all Andy Reed, right? That's all him. And I wonder there's talk about, well, he's going to step down now.

Does he stay in there to get it up there with Belichick and those numbers with the, some of the greats. So we can be put in the list with the top two or three. What's he going to do? Go play golf? That was the best game I've ever seen him coach. I know. I thought they were kind of working the Eagles like a yo-yo, especially in the second half. Whatever they did at halftime, whatever they saw. Who knows with halftime adjustments, that

halftime was so long, you actually had time to put some thought into it. All that motion stuff, the way it was working for them, it almost makes you wonder, why don't high school teams do this, college teams? Just send people back and forth, flying around, doing the thing where it seems like they're going to the quarterback and they stop quick

and go the other way. You're probably going to confuse one guy on defense, right? Isn't that all you need to do with stuff like that? Well, they had that one play, and it was the second-to-last touchdown where they had the two guys on the right, and it was Kelsey,

and the other guy went in motion, and the Eagles only had two guys on that side. And even before the snap, you're like, ah, this isn't good. Right. And then he ends up catching it. Both guys go with Kelsey. The Sky Moore touchdown? Yeah, the Sky Moore

touchdown. Just a wide open. And stuff like that where you're just like, wow, they're just completely out thinking them. I don't feel like the Eagles can come out of this game and go, man, we blew it. Because they never got to stop.

If anything, it was a little fluky because you had the fumble touchdown. So it felt like the Eagles had the ball for like an hour at one point. But every time the Chiefs, the last in the second half, it was three touchdowns and a field goal. And they were cruising every time. I mean, we talked about the bad call, whatever, the no call. Although I'm a little less outraged. call, whatever, the no call, although I'm a little less outraged. By the way, people should listen to me. I bet the Bengals and I bet the

Chiefs, I bet the Bengals two weeks ago and wasn't blaming the refs. I bet the Chiefs today and we're like, well, that call sucked and that's not a way we should lose. But since then, Bradbury's like, yeah, I tugged his jersey. I altered the route. I was hoping they didn't call it. It's like, ah, crap. Now it really is. You just can't call that in that spot. It wasn't, hey, I tugged his jersey. I altered the route. I was hoping they didn't call it. It's like, ah, crap. Now it really is. You just can't call that in that spot. It wasn't, hey, there was no hold at all there. The refs are blind, right? So that does suck.

But yeah, I think you're right. The most surprising thing in this game is nobody analyzed this game for two weeks and said, the Eagles are going to get pushed around. The Chiefs are going to score close to 40, right? That didn't come out of anyone's mouth. By the way, the talking heads like us, I think these were the two best teams. They deserve to be in the Super Bowl. But you have to pick a team,

so you have to say something bad about the other. It's a really weird thing, right? Picking between your best friends. But yeah, this one, well, this one does. Yeah, but the three of you hang out all the time. That was not like, I do think the Eagles were great. They took a swing in free agency. They did well.

Jalen Hurts is terrific. What did he have, like 44 fantasy points? Is that like the second most of all time in Super Bowl record? Yeah. So I can't speak to all that. I will say time possession was 32-13. You got to win that game going into the fourth quarter. You have to win that game if you're the Eagles.

I would pick them again. I really would. Don't do it. Don't do it. You'll lose. Guess what? I'm going to lose because they already lost the game. There was one point.

I wrote this down. It was when it was 27-21. And this really hurt them when they didn't get the touchdown. They just settled for the field goal. And I think we were at the official point of the game where it's like, you've got to get touchdowns, not field goals. They didn't have a choice. They didn't get it. But they're up 27-21.

They had run 60 plays and KC had run 30. Jesus. They ran twice as many plays. At that point, you should put away the game. And I think if you're an Eagles fan, this has to away the game. And I think like, if you're an Eagles fan, this has to be the worst. Like, you know, I know the McNabb

against the Patriots loss was bad and the 10 minute, two minute drill and all that stuff. But the Pats were still better that whole season. And I just didn't think the Eagles didn't play that well.

This one would really haunt me because I don't know what happened to the defense. If I'm an Eagles fan, I'm just like, what happened to our defense? Where were they? How did we not have one blitz off the weak side

just nailing Mahomes? How did we not step in front of receiver? Nothing. We got beat by Sky Moore and Schuster and all those fucking dudes. Kelsey's open for the entire first quarter. What were we doing? I guess we have to just accept that.

That guy's going to be open. Nobody's figuring out how to cover him. And if it's four or 14 yards downfield, he's a given. He's open. But you're right. The Skymores, the Tonys, these guys, these crazy plays. Juju, they kept Valdez, Scantling, and Child. I don't think he had a reception.

I'm pretty sure he didn't. I bet him over the crack and goals. He didn't. But, I mean, what killed them was the running was what killed them. 26 for 158. Pacheco was 15 for 76. And they were running like they were the tougher team. Yeah, they looked a little gassed, to be honest.

The Eagles, they'll get pushed around. I'm not saying Hurts wasn't scored either. Their team ran 60 of the first 90 plays. I know. And they had a 45-minute halftime. I'm not sure how it worked out. But yeah, they seemed unprepared. My theory was they

had so much momentum going into halftime. And then they watched the Rihanna that show was incredible. And they're watching like, oh my god, look how high she is. She might fall. And they just got thrown out of their game. They were just blowing maybe a lot of Rihanna fans in the Eagles locker room.

I don't know what happened. That might have been it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, lost with Rihanna. The second half, they were just brutal. And then, you know, Devontae Smith finishes with 100 yards, seven catches, 100 yards. A.J. Brown, six for 96.

Goddard, six for 60. Hurts throws for 304. He runs 15 for 70. Kind of feels like that. Everything is just lining up. Now, there are other running backs. Gainwell and Sanders were 14 for 37. But I think you made the key point. I did not expect

the Eagles defense to get pushed around. It really felt like they got pushed around. They just didn't pressure Mahomes. And anytime they got a little bit of pressure, they didn't close the deal on them. Yeah. Even with the 10-point lead, they didn't close the deal on him. Yeah. Even with the 10-point lead, you didn't feel like they were out of it. And I think I texted you and House and Hench. I was like, plus 162

going into the fourth quarter. I'm not going to be able to do this again all year. But everybody was so sunk into the Eagles at that point. Yeah, under 200 yards passing and he wins the MVP and deserved it. Well, one of the things with Mahomes, he's assumed the imaginary,

it's not even imaginary, I don't know what the right word is, but Brady used to have it where you're just thinking like, ah, that's too much time or, oh, they should be up more. You left them too many, you left them too big of a window. He's going to come back and get this. Even when the Eagles score, they're down

eight. They go down, they get a touchdown. They get the two point. They make it 35-35. And in normal football situations, you're thinking that team has all the momentum. Oh my God, the Chiefs have to be reeling. And with KC, you're just looking at it going, oof, five minutes for Mahomes. They might not get the ball back. Chiefs are going to get out or at least get a field goal. There's no other quarterback like that. And I don't know who else for you has kind of been in that territory, right? Brady, definitely.

I think Manning was there for a little while. Pretty long. For me, as a Cowboys fan? Oh, just in general. Like betting against them or watching them, whatever, in our lifetime. That list is like less than nine guys. Yeah.

We're like, oh shit. Less than five, I think. I don't think it's... Who is it? You wouldn't put like Lamar Jackson. I'm trying to think of the best quarterback. Josh Allen, I would put in there. Yeah, I think Elway for me is in there because I was always just completely terrified of Elway and we just saw him do it

so many times at the end. Montana, Marino, Fouts. Yeah, a couple of those guys. You put Fouts in there? I never got to see Fouts enough. I just feel like they move the ball a lot. I don't know. I guess I have to look at fourth quarter comebacks and stuff like that.

Favre was one of those where if you bet on him, you were worried he was going to go throw a pick. And if you bet against him, you were worried that he was going to come down and beat you. Both sides were worried with Favre. Everything was in play. TD, interception, whatever.

And there's been guys that had little runs. I think Burrow was basically in the same situation two weeks ago, right? He's in that Mahomes situation. He goes down and gets some points. You go to the Super Bowl and he couldn't get it done. So we were talking Mahomes and Burrow two weeks ago

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with the bad call at the end and Bradbury admitted he pulled his jersey. I guess the thing for me is there's stuff like that that happens every play and they kind of have to decide is this actually affecting the game or not. That was very close to the line. I didn't like the call. There was other stuff I saw during the game where I'm like, whoa, can't believe they let that go. It felt like the kind of game where they were letting stuff go a little bit.

And that was pretty on the line. I just don't like it. I don't like that on a third and eight. Mahomes' pass wasn't close just in general. It's just a bummer, but the thing about it is that's been the season.

We've had a million of those, and this is what we talked about, I think it was last week or two weeks ago, about what we do now where we just gravitate toward complaining to the refs. I think the Eagles probably should have lost anyway because they couldn't get a stop. I just don't like the call. I just wish they'd let it go.

I don't think people would have gone nuts if they let it go. You know what I mean? I'm with you. I agree with every single thing you just said. You probably don't call it there. Now, it has a little less bite when the D-back admits he tugged the jersey and it altered the route you know and whatever so you know if it was a call

in the second quarter we dismiss it or we lump it together with all the other close calls but you don't want to end the game there and then what follows which makes it worse right a chief not scoring going down at the one Mahomes taking two steps back setting up for the field goal just it feels shitty, right?

And if you're an Eagles fan, you don't want to do it. But yes, I think keep focused on the fact that Patrick Mahomes ate you up in the second half, and that's why you lost. By the way, they had a touchdown taken away. I'm not sure. I don't know what's a catch to me. It's like, yes, they're really micro, really putting this under the microscope and it sucks to spend 10 minutes on these things. I wish they could figure out

something. I watched with Carolla, which is like, you're going to be like his thing. And I laugh at it, except he repeats it for 45 minutes, but it's like, it's a catch if he caught the ball and you laugh at it, but it's true. It's like, did he catch the ball? It's like, yeah. Well, then it's a catch. Like if the D back was never born and Sanders turns up field and fumbles on his own, it's a fumble. So why take that touchdown off the board? I hate it. Hate it. Hate it. You and I watched thousands of football games a year or thousands of hours, and we still couldn't tell you what a catch is. They have to figure that out. We were texting during the gutter play when they reviewed that. and I was like,

look, I don't know. This could go either way. I know. I don't care. I've seen them call it a catch. I've seen them call it an incomplete, depending on the game. This is where the fans might know better. Do you care if the ground caused the ball to move a little? Do you care if the ball moves a little? I don't care. You're taking

away athletic plays. You know what I mean? But out of those two, between that and the quarterback sneak on fourth and one, that to me, that's what's got to be fixed. Because that should be the most exciting play in football, the fourth and one. And now it's like, it's got the excitement

of an extra point. I don't even look when I see Jalen Hurts on fourth and a half a yard. I know he's going to make it because they can run that rugby play where three guys shove him up in the ass, and then he goes forward, lunges forward for six yards. So I would change that over anything. That play is going to be gone in about a year when somebody breaks their back.

No, somebody's going to get seriously hurt in that play. It's going to happen. These guys are too big. It's not rugby. These guys are 330-pound guys out there. I was thinking rugby. These guys are, there's 330 pound guys out there. Yeah. I was thinking at one point when it felt like the Eagles

were going to win the Super Bowl and I was thinking about what, just what a strange season and team it was where they never really got the respect the whole time. They never really played

anybody that much. There was a point like around week three, week four, we were like, holy shit, they might actually go like 15 and two just looking at their schedule. And it felt like the legacy of the team partly was this goofy fourth and one play that they came up with.

Yeah. It's like, oh, you know, every, every year there's a team that wins the Superbowl and you'd think like, oh, what was that team? And you can think of like three things with this Eagles team. I would have thought of like the two receivers, you know, Hurts basically mastering a lot of this RPO and all this stuff, but really how unstoppable they were and short yardage and how over and over again,

they could just turn these four play first downs. And when they had 60 plays and the Chiefs had 30, it was like, yeah, that's kind of the Eagles where they just prolong these possessions. They had three 13 plays, 75 yard, 11 plays, 75 yard, like just where they just seem like they have the ball for an hour. And it's not that fun to watch. But I was like, all right, this is how I guess we'll remember them.

And then my homes just stole it. Yeah. And because they had the best line of scrimmage in football, right? Offensive line. They have the best line of scrimmage. They have the best offensive line in football, and that's why they can move the ball, and that's why they can get four at a clip, and Hurts was so great. And that's why I wouldn't think Andy Reid would say, well, our best bet is 38-35 slugfest, right? But that's exactly what it turned into be. I thought maybe, all right, they're going to win. It's going to be 19-16, and points are going to be tough, or 24-20 or somewhere in there. But they're like, you know what? Match us score for score. That quarterback thing is real.

You played garbage most of the year. Sorry, Eagles fans are going to hate to hear this, but what did they do? Rodgers put up 33 against them. Prescott put up 40 against them. And then it was Danny Dimes six times and Kenny Pickett. And the Chiefs played a

cleaner game in the sense that no turnovers. Hurts had the fumble touchdown. That was a huge play. They felt like they were just going to score on every drive when that happened. And that hurt the game. The punt that set up the Tony thing was bad.

The Chiefs really only had the Bucker miss field goal. It was the only bad play for them. There were some smaller ones. The offsides, the Frank Clark offsides. Yeah, I guess the two small offsides. Yeah, those prolonged drives. But on the flip side, the Eagles D just was repeatedly just letting these guys wide open on huge plays.

But yeah, the Chiefs just never gave them the dumb turnover on anything. There was no fumble. There was no tip pass up in the air, nothing. We should mention Vegas needed the chiefs to win and the online sports books needed the chiefs to win. Most of the action was on the Eagles. They kept that line at one and a half for two weeks. The chiefs money never really came in a couple of times, a couple of places like drifted

it to chiefs plus one. But for the most part, it stayed at one and a half. I think most of the money was on the Eagles. And I was thinking like gambling manifesto stuff, like Mahomes just might be, he's off the board now, where he's getting a lot of the same calls that we used to get. We, I mean, my beloved Patriots.

But on top of it, like him as an underdog in a situation where the powers that be needed the Chiefs to win, maybe we should have known. Maybe that should have been a bigger red flag than anything. But how are they going to move that? How much are they going to move the line? If you move it to Chiefs minus two and a half, they still cover. Right. So I don't know.

I don't know. Does that scare people away from betting on them? I think you're right. I just, but that might've been bulletin board material too. Like, wasn't Mahomes like a favorite in 14 straight playoff games

and between that and hearing about how they're going to, you know, decimate that offensive line then, yeah, maybe that was enough

to give them some energy even though they were down 10 in the third. He's come through in all of these except that weird Bengals game last year when I think,

I'm always going to think he was concussed in that game. All right, more stuff. The Andy Reid two-time ring club. How many coaches do you think have two rings? Ooh.

I looked this up and I was surprised by the answer. Chuck Johnson. Five. It's 13. What? Yeah. No. Belichick, six. Chuck Knoll, four. five. It's 13. What? Yeah.

No. Belichick six, Chuck Knoll four, Bill Walsh three, and Joe Gibbs three. And then the two timers are Oh yeah. Reed Lombardi, Tom Flores is in there.

Your guy, Jimmy Johnson. Seifert one too. Mike Shanahan, Coughlin, Parcells, Landry, and Shula.

That's a really nice list. That is a bad job by me, Billy. I should know. I don't say five. It's 13. Come on. Fire me for my own trivia show. The only outliers there are

Flores and Seifert, I think. You don't want to say Coughlin? No, because he was a good coach. They were in the mix. I think. You don't want to say Coughlin? No, because he was a good coach. They were in the mix. I just don't know. I don't know if they won a playoff game. Yeah, but I don't know if they won a playoff game other than the Super Bowl. Yeah, they went 4-0 twice,

basically. Right, yeah. Maybe Coughlin's a borderline. Well, if it pisses off the Giants fans, let's do it. Throw them in there. But for the most part, all the great coaches are on there, right? So I think, you know, Andy Reid was certainly one of the best two or three coaches of the 21st century. I thought he was great today.

I really do. I give him a lot of the credit for the offensive play call. Now you could be like, well, what about the defense? They didn't show up. But really, in key spots, and you can't give the coach all the credit for no tip balls or no interceptions, but he knew to beat this team, he had to go turnover free and he had them ready and he really did. Great job by him. I also was thinking how many awful Superbowl calls

will we remember? Because I do think people remember this one. Shorter list than I remember. The most famous one, at least recently, was the Michael Crabtree getting held by Jimmy Smith on the fourth and five in the Ravens-Niners game, which was a big deal. But I think because it was Ravens-Niners, I guess Niners are a pretty big market team. I don't know why that one hasn't lasted. Why do you think? Yeah, I don't know. I was outside with Jacoby. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I ever saw it. No, I know. You're right. I think the bigger ones were non-calls Seahawks Steelers. Yeah, the Seahawks Steelers came up. There was an OPI on Daryl Jackson that everybody, I forgot everybody got really mad about that one. There was that

Cardinals Steelers Super Bowl. There was a really weird Kurt Warner fumble that turned out it probably was an incompletion and they called it wrong and they couldn't change it. That was bad. But for the most part, not a lot of like famous bad Super Bowl calls. So this one's going to move top of the list. In the research though, found out in the first Super Bowl in 1967, they did the second half kickoff twice because the first time they were interviewing somebody

and they missed the kickoff on the telecast. What? And they just let everybody go back out and do it again. Oh, my God. They redid it just because they missed it on TV. Can you imagine if that happened now? Wait. Oh, did Hench lose his mind?

Hench wasn't born yet, but he lost his mind. He's like six months old? Yeah. Wow. Another thing I had for you, you remember that moment when it seemed like Philly

had a chance to win like three titles? You know, I was like, oh, the Phillies are going to win. Oh, yeah,

yeah. And the Eagles, they have a chance to go undefeated and beat and harden and oh my God, look at this situation. win. Oh, yeah. And the Eagles, they have a chance to go undefeated and beat Harden. And oh my God, look at this situation. Well, the Phillies lost

in the World Series and then the Eagles lost in the Super Bowl. How many titles do you think the city of Philadelphia has won in the last 40 years? Since the 83 Sixers.

I think I have to say 13 again, right? Because last time I said five. No. Man, I can't think. Two? Yeah, two. Is it two? The Phillies had that one in, what was it, 2008?

And then the Eagles had the one against the Pats, and that's it, 40 years. Wow. They've been runner-ups 10 times, including twice in the last four months. I'm hoping this doesn't work. Just pointing this out. I know everyone's on board with Hertz and everything,

but when a team goes crazy spending in free agency, the next year, usually they get slammed, right? Isn't that how it's been going the last few years? You would think. Keep it years? You would think. Keep it going. You would think. Runner-up city. Jalen Hurts' Hail Mary, we haven't discussed yet.

Yeah, why did it go 25 yards? That is a bad shoulder, I guess. Was that the I had a bad shoulder this whole time throw? It went like 35 yards. It really did. Could you... Do they get killed if they bring Minshew in for that? I don't...

Hurts threw other passes longer than that in the game. Right. Right? Yeah, the Devonta Smith one when he went out of bounds at the two. Yeah, yeah. His shoulder must have just... Yeah, that's not how you want to end the season. Right there. You know he got an octopus? You know what an octopus is?

What do you mean? You score the touchdown and then you get the two-point conversion. Octopus. It's called an octopus? Yeah, because there's eight legs. I don't know. I only saw it this year. I'm not sure why it's eight legs.

Octopus, because you have two legs and then you score. And then another chance. 20 to 1 odds though. You could bet it that it was an octopus. Cerruti said that Hurt said his cleat got caught and he slipped

which is why he didn't put a roof on that. That's what I would say too. Yeah. That's exactly what I said. That sounds like a great explanation. Did you think you had

the right side when Sirianni was crying during the anthem? I did. I thought it was a great sign. Sirianni was crying during the anthem? I did. I thought it was a great sign. I was excited for it. I have one other thing for you. The dynasty thing.

People are trying to get that going tonight. Is this a dynasty? You've won twice in four years. You know my feelings on this. I go nuts. Come on. Win four in a compact amount of time. Even the Warriors, I wasn't totally there because they missed the playoffs

and they lost the play-in game. Dynasty, you have to be good for a while and you need titles. Is football the toughest of the four sports to make it to the finals? That's the only thing I'll say. You need a lot of luck.

I think three. That's why I think three. I would say four in baseball, four in basketball. I would almost put three in the NFL. It is the sport where somebody wins the title and there's three teams they beat over the course of the way.

They're like, fuck that. We were better than those guys. It comes down. There's no way Cincy thinks Casey was better than them. i know it's so close right everything's going nuts they're like oh my god we would have killed this philly team right jesus but you and i go into every year and my homes is six to one to win mvp and the chiefs are six to one to win the title and we're like let's just keep betting this and it's going to come in once in the next six years. And they both won.

There was a tough Chris Berman moment tonight. I don't know if you knew about it yet. I didn't see it. What was it? He was talking about the two black quarterbacks starting today. And he did this kind of dramatic pause and he said, and on February 12th, Abe Lincoln's birthday. And then he threw it to the highlights. And it's not going to go well for the next 24 hours. It wasn't great. You got to watch it for the dramatic pause. He's really good with birthdays. He remembers everyone's birthday,

that Chris Berman. God bless him. I even get a card. And then Rihanna, the halftime show was fantastic I think people are going to remember that and the call on Mahomes will be the three things from this Super Bowl go backwards to Rams Bengals last year like it's been a year what do you remember I just remember Cooper Cup getting open over and over again

and we were there and Aaron Donald made a big play on the fourth down. That halftime was good, wasn't it? That was pretty great, wasn't it? And the halftime was great. Yeah, those three things. Yeah, there's nothing else. But what is it? Bitch Better Have My Money, 10 to 1. 11 to 1

to be her first song. Big, big upset. Let's take a break and then I want to do some of the, uh, some of the bedding, the bedding, and then you get to tell us stars from the party. When you ride transit,

please be safe. Yeah. Be safe. Because what you do, others will do too. Others will do it too. So don't take shortcuts across tracks. Don't do that.

In fact, just don't walk on tracks at all. Not at all. Trains move quietly, so you won't hear them coming. You won't hear them coming. See? Safe riding sets an example. Yeah. An example for me. Because safety is learned. It's learned. Okay. Give it up. Give what up? Really? Really

really. Ugh. This message is brought to you by Metrolinks. Alright, so what do you have for the Big Betty moments today? What happened? Well, you know, when we were down 10, when the Chiefs were down 10, I mean, I think everybody...

We? You said we. I'm sorry. You're on the Chiefs now? I'll tell you why we, because me, we, I was like, put our guy Jody Fortson in. He's going to turn this game around. And Coach Reed,

I think that was the only thing he didn't do right. That was my Gary Russell pick. I'm not even sure he stepped on the field. I don't even think they let him step on the field when they were passing the trophy around. So bad job by me there. What else? Hurts, three or more touchdowns, 25 to 1. That was a big winner.

Wow, I didn't even think of that. Holy shit. 25 to 1? Even 2 was close to 10 to 1. That was a big winner. Wow, I didn't even think of that. Holy shit. 25 to one? Even two was like close to 10 to one. Oh, man. Purple Gatorade was 11 to one. See if Devontae Smith running out of bounds when... Right. Because he kind of lost his

balance when that was an easy touchdown. Then Hurts gets it, and that's a 25 to one. And the Gainwell touchdown that was overturned, right? So that's how we got his first. So yeah, that was 25-1. Purple Gatorade. I don't know when we saw purple last.

I was talking about it with Kyle before. I think blue hit three out of the last four. Purple was 11-1 also. We had under for the anthem. Now, again, the fighter jets, jets they come over and on the word brave and then the audio gets so mixed up you don't know when the word ends and when the what you're hearing the propelling i don't know but i was watching with uh huey lewis great rock and roller still not in the rock and roll hall of fame for some reason um i i bet the under and he's like

god he's making a meal out of it which means he's taking his time for Stapleton, and yet it still stayed under. So it was nice to win the first bet of the day with that. You know, one of the bets that I threw in a parlay, but I think the other part of the parlay lost, but the first kickoff was going to be a touchback. Yeah, I had that too. Minus 136.

That was a layup. Did you? Oh, you said, oh. That was a layup. Did you... Oh, you said... Oh, I went the other way. Did you see the... No, because I read an article about how they'd use different balls. And I think like seven out of the last 10 years,

it hasn't been a touchback. But it looked weird from the kicker's perspective. It looked like he knuckleballed it and then like nobody wanted to field it. But I called that wrong. I had tails. That was nice. We talked about Bucker the possibility of him missing a field goal

which wasn't on some sites wasn't on Fando but was on other ones and then he missed a field goal and I think that was like the odds were pretty good on that weren't they? Yeah plus 330 or something I think for a missed field goal I saw, not on

the main sites, but to hit the goal post or crossbar, 20-1. A doink? Yeah, a doink was 20-1. I did all the dumb crap. Over two and a half players to throw a pass. We would have been robbed of a good ending, but

Henny coming in, I thought for sure we would have seen him on one drive. The cross board part of the ladies, I just got crushed. I really, you know, LeBron not playing last night. I have Lakers and Warriors points over. It didn't matter because he went crazy, but Hurts passing yards.

Did you do any of the cross sports? I didn't because it's so hard to figure out who's playing. One of the ones I had was Gainwell over rushing and receiving. I did that this weekend, but I think I tied it to something that, oh, I tied it to the Eagles winning, and of course they didn't win. But it felt like that was going to be a Gainwell game, and he was at least a little bit involved.

The Pacheco one, though, there was running, receiving stuff with him. There was the rushing thing hit with him. Those were good. But all the sacks bets lost. All the sacks lost. It's like, don't... You know, Hasan Reddick, by the time game time started, he was like minus 190 for a sack.

Right. He was like a heavy favorite. Like, sacks are hard, you know? Nobody averages one sack a game ever, except for Bruce Smith. But no sacks. Are we ever going to see no sacks? It's crazy.

I know I had cram. I had Chris Jones. I had a Fletcher Cox and none of them came through. I had Kelsey to score a touchdown. Kelsey to score the chiefs first touchdown. I was hitting, hitting a few of those, but I ended up losing on dumb crap. That's the thing. I just, I don't know.

I'm just, I did, I had 43 props and it's like, do I need ecstasy? I definitely think I have enough edible gummies. Oh, well, there's Molly too. Okay. Let me, let me do that. Like at the end of the week, it's just. Did you have Serena Williams doing two different liquor ads during the same game? Did she really?

It was 0.5 liquor ads for her. She was in two. One of them was she did it was like the Any Given Sunday speech for Remy or something. She basically did the Pacino Inches speech, but it was kind of terrible.

This was like a big cribbing from movies to make like the commercial this year because they had the Caddyshack one. But this is where we need our sports movie consultancy again, where they just come to us and be like, hey, we're thinking of doing the Pacino Any Given Sunday speech, the inches speech.

It's like, nope, nope, off limits. Don't, no, don't do that. It's a win. Stay away. Caddyshack. Like maybe you could talk me into that one. Like, all right, that'd be fun. Some things just can't be ruined. Stop it. Yeah. Yeah. Romo was the Carl Spacker and the Caddyshack line. Like that's fine. But any given Sunday off limits. What about Jeff Ross roasting peanut? The planters peanut guy. He really was going to say we had, we had, we had Jeff Ross roasting peanut? The planters peanut guy. He really was going to say we had, we had,

we had Jeff Ross roasting a peanut. We had Will Ferrell as a zombie. Affleck did a Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah. Um, we had sliced alone. We're prizing cliffhanger. We had the clueless people were back.

And, um, and Travolta doing like a grease kind of takeoff. Was that supposed to be John Travolta? It a Grease kind of takeoff. Was that supposed to be John Travolta? It actually was John Travolta. You fell for that? Miles Teller was doing a weird dancing ad and then

the big one was there was like a minute long Jesus ad. Yeah, I saw that one. There were a couple of them too, right? But there was one that was like, there was like five minutes left in the game and it was pretty grim for like a minute and then it was like they threw the Jesus ad

at us. I had Scientology plus three and a half over Jesus. Yeah, I thought that was a lot. I'm surprised that Jesus is advertising like this. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Well, there's a lot of praying during these games. I don't remember

a terrible ad, but I, I, admittedly, I was with my dad and Michael Bob and Michael Don and my wife.

Like, we had like eight people and so half the time we were talking during the commercials. Yeah, I'm an idiot. movies were the big rip-offs.

I'm staring at my 43 props and seeing which ones could have potential to win during the commercials. I'm no fun at these things. Did Corolla talk about making the goalpost sire or no? There was that one. Was it an extra point? Yeah.

Give them the Chiefs 28, that almost. Yeah, we stopped them in his tracks. But yeah, it's more about receptions. Corolla was there. There was good food, I will say it. My cousin Jimmy's. David Chang, Adam Perry Lang. We just

ate and ate and ate and then Jimmy ordered pizza at the end of the night. I got to hit this diet. It's going to be bad. It's bad going forward. Going forward, are the new odds out yet? Are you ready to start thinking about 2023?

Do you have any thoughts yet? I want to. Yeah, go ahead. On FanDuel, the Chiefs are the favorites at 6-1. The Bills are looking for your sucker bet money at plus 850. Eagles 9-1. Bengals 9-1. Niners 9-1.

Your Cowboys, speaking of sucker bets, 15-1. And then going down the line, we got a little Chargers 20-1. Your Cowboys, speaking of sucker bets, 15-1. And then going down the line, we got a little Chargers 20-1. The Lions are 25-1 for some reason. And then the one that surprised me was the Jets. Pretty high, 25-1 considering it does seem like

the Rodgers thing is kind of looming for them. What is that? That's 10? They're a top 9 or 10 team? Yeah, so Chiefs, Bills, and 5. Yeah, they have the 11th best odds.

Well, here's why I know you say the Cowboys are joking, and they are. But if Rodgers goes to the Jets, this is the NFC. It's even worse than it was last year, right? I know we have the best team

in our division in the NFC, but I'll take my chances with the Cowboys to win 10 or 11 games as a wild card and win a road game, and then you're with everybody else. But my pick, I think, right now, if you don't hold it against me... Hey, listen,

we knocked Tom Brady out of the box. Nobody can do that. Patriots tried to do that. They couldn't even do that. That's the second greatest feat next to the Chiefs Super Bowl championship this year. But I would go Bengals 9-1. I really like that team. I like how physical they are. I think they were, as you mentioned, very close to making it to the finals this year.

And I think it's going to be Burrow Mahomes back and forth for the next few years. Yeah, if we're looking at the top five, all the odds under 10-1, the Bengals 9-1, I like that one. The Jets, the problem with the Jets, betting on them, is they're the Jets. Right. They haven't won since 1970.

That would be a problem. I'm looking like long, long, long shots. The Pats are 55-1. The Titans are 70-1. The team with the worst odds is the Colts, 280-1. Atlanta, 75-1. None of those great Washington 55-1. The Jets thing is hilarious that they don't know their quarterback and they're a top nine team to win. Rogers is doing four nights of darkness

or four days of darkness and then he has diarrhea all over himself and he's going to run out and say, it came to me, I'm going to be a jet. That's what's going to happen to propel them to a championship? I like when people act super weird

and then lecture you about it. Because it's the thing like, maybe you should try to be more enlightened before you start. That's always a great move. It's like, I'm hanging upside down from my shed and people pour White Claw on me for three straight days.

Maybe you should try it before you judge. No, I'm actually not going to try that. You got to nod. You got to nod. Like, oh yeah, you're onto something here, killer. Good. No, thanks. Yeah, this has been a banner year so far. found out prince harry almost hosted saturday night live that was another

thing that happened 2023 is getting super weird we've had all these undetectified objects flying around getting shot down like what's happening this year i don't like that uh unless prince harry's in one of them when we shoot him down. If he hosts SNL, it's going to be your fault. He'll have gotten the push to do it from you. You know that, right? One of the writers needs to tape if he's actually in the writer's room

on the Monday and they're pitching sketches, then somebody's got to break out the cell phone and tape that. No, I'm not sure I like that one. It doesn't tickle my fancy. You got eight months to work on the accent. It's coming along.

Is there an accent, Kip, I could go to? I think it's, yeah, it's half cryo, half accent. The British accent. Oh, man. No, it's south. It's all about the infrared sauna right now. What? Yeah.

You went to heat? Yeah. Infrared sauna is now minus 150 over cryo. Cryos plus 130. So is it the same idea where it shocks your body into rejuvenating shit? No, you sweat out all the bad shit in your body. And for us, we sweat out all the bad poisons that we're old. It gets your heart going and it's got a lot of benefits.

Google it. Say it again. Infrared what? Infrared sauna. You go and get it to like 150 and you just sweat your balls off. How long? You just sweat stuff out.

You know, 30 minutes, 35 minutes. Oh, wow. It gets hot. Well, cryo is like three minutes, right? Cryo is three minutes. Sauna is like the Aaron Rodgers dark minutes son it's like the aaron rogers

dark room a little bit right so you go on a spiritual journey but old men also just die in those things right they just have that shovel the body out yeah right yeah that's that's that's looming as well yeah we had uh my my dad and my uncle's visit and i have my uncle bob who's was he was born in 19 i guess 40 so he's i think like 72 or 73 now playing tennis played played two sets of tennis with them today got the got the um knee replacements just flying around looking like uncle bob it was like old times for us really nice beat my wife and my cousin pete but so we had that and then we had my dad who's like you know 15 months older and just cold all the time now i don't know does your dad have a thing like this now when they hit

us he's just freezing so just constantly like can we turn the heat on he's wearing a jacket inside just cold, constantly. So your uncle won't go to pickleball? Like, is that, that is- No, he plays pickleball. He likes it. Oh, he does? Interesting. Yeah.

But he looks down on pickleball. He knows tennis is the real thing. That's what I figured. It's like skiers with how they look at snowboarders. Exactly. That's a great analogy. Except some of the pickleball people still seem to think that this is going to be a professional sport at some point.

Oh, yeah. Some of them want you to... People are going to be betting on pickleball. They'll be like, oh, who do you got in the pickleball quarterfinals tonight? I promise you, Sal and I will not have... Even you won't bet on pickleball. I don't see that happening. I don't say that.

It depends. If it starts the day after the Super Bowl, I might. You have a bigger problem. You're going to have people hounding you to invest in the league or a team. I think it's going to be a problem. No, the answer is no. Just tell them right now, no. All right.

So what are we going to bet on now? We got basketball. You got March Madness. This is the point of the season where you throw yourself into the Atlantic 10 and the ACC and the Mountain West and all these college hoops. You talk yourself into the women's tournament. That's always one of my favorite Sal moments when you're like,

I had Rutgers last night in a parlay. We still have four weeks to the, well, three weeks maybe to the conference tournaments. But yeah, it's got hockey, got EPL on Saturdays. I like waking up. You don't bet the soccer. You don't bet the EPL on Saturday,

right? No, the EPL's out. I'm not betting baseball either this year. I'm done with doing my two future bets. I'm out. Really? All right. Yeah, I'm just out. Under home runs for all the sluggers. We'll win, I promise. Under home runs? Oh, because you think

somebody's going to get hurt? Of course. I figure, yeah, it just happens. People, they're set for 162 games and there's injuries and slumps and stuff like that. But what I'm mad at you about is you texted me and my cousin Jimmy and Chris Bianco months ago and said, Kevin Durant's coming to the Suns. Get ready. You're going to sell him lots of pizza. And he went to the Suns and we didn't do anything about it.

And man, what happened after you said it, but now they're five to one. I know I blew it. Well, I knew I had a real feeling last weekend and they were like 12 to one for a couple of days, like probably like four days there.

And now it's dropped big time. I, the more I look at the trade though, and the more I think about it, I actually don't think they're a great bet. Not 12 to one would have been a nice bet, but like they're the favorite right now. They're plus 240.

Durant's still hurt. He hasn't even come back yet. He had that MCL injury. He's repeatedly gotten hurt. And Chris Paul, I don't know, he's 37. What's he going to look like? They don't have a ton of depth. I actually think they're throwing people off the scent of some of the other teams. They won't

ever put odds on this, but Booker, Paul, Durant, how long do they play together? How many? Forget about the regular season. Two and a half years over or under, something like that. You could do that. What percentage of playoff games do they play together?

Like we could start there. Fifty four and a half? That would be a really fun future bet. Yeah. Just how many games are they going to play together as a threesome? How many games

will they physically suit up and start a game together regular season or playoffs? And the answer would be, I don't know, it'd be like the over-under is like 1-10. Would you go under or over? Yeah, because Chris Paul could be gone in a year. Yeah, 1-10 is a lot.

Here's what I don't get though, Sal. Go ahead. So in the West, first of all, Dallas has the fourth best odds. People are operating like Kyrie is going to be normal for four months. Like, good luck. Please, I'll book your bets for Dallas.

Right. Golden state has the six best odds now in the West. They're nine to one in the West. And part of it is because, you know, their seat's going to be low and they're going to have to be on the road. But man, I,

to me, it's Phoenix, Denver and golden state. And then maybe Memphis. I mean, I don't know how much leeway we can give Memphis here where they just keep losing and losing and losing these high

profile games over the last couple weeks. You're not worried as much about seeding right now, right? Because Curry is out through the all-star break and maybe beyond. So if they get a fifth or sixth seed, you don't care? Yeah. Only out of all the West teams

the only one that has a legitimate home court advantage I think is Denver because the altitude and they're just they're just really hard

to play there you don't want to go there four times in a seven game series other than that Golden State they can go in any of these places and win and then on the

on the East the I just think the Bucks should be favored. I know the Celtics have a better record, but the Celtics on Fandle, they're plus 115 for the East. And Milwaukee's plus 170, and that makes no sense to me. I got to hand it to the league.

As much as I hate it that three guys could text each other and it changes the course of a GM can get fired as a result. The owner, it doesn't matter. I'm not going to feel bad. They're going to sell their team regardless of what it looks like. The net's for $2 billion more than they paid, right? So it doesn't matter. But the GMs have to be pulling their hair out.

Really, check on you. Happy? Are you okay? Can I see your text? You're not texting James Harden, are you? They could just make any kind of coup anytime. But even all that said, normally that trade, Durant going and Kyrie going to the West,

would cripple the East. But Celtics, Bucs, Sixers being in charge there, it's good, right? Years ago, this would have been it. The East sucks. They have zero or one team that have a chance. It would have been mid-2010s. Yeah, it's like LeBron and nobody else. Yeah. like oh the East sucks they have zero or one team that have a chance it would have been like mid 2010s yeah

it's like LeBron and nobody else yeah yeah cause Cleveland looks like they got Danny Green today and they're 13-1 and then the zombie heat

which just I don't know if you've followed like the heat season but they had another one yesterday they were down they were down nine to the magic

with like three minutes left they somehow win they just like pull these stupid games out over and over and over again. Nobody wants to see them in a series. So we have that. I guess we have the Masters coming up. Some golf coming up. Yeah, House will be happy about that.

There's always MMA on Saturday nights. Got to get you into soccer during the day on Saturday. Boxing still sucks. I don't know. Who are we kidding? Saturday nights. Got to get you into soccer during the day on Saturday. Boxing still sucks. I don't know who we can. I mean, really, the key is they're going to shove USFL and XFL down our throats, right? And we're going to be interested in three weeks. That's going to be that.

I don't do that. I don't do the non-NFL. You do that. I don't do the non-NFL. I love the way football looks on my TV. What do you want? But they're not going to have a Johnny Manziel or a Terrell Owens who really wouldn't make it in the NFL, but at least it'd be interesting to watch. They don't have any of those guys this year. Well, shit.

The next time we do football, DirecTV is gone, right? Right. It'll be YouTube TV and everything will be streaming. And instead of complaining about the refs, we'll be complaining about our Wi-Fi going down. And we missed the fourth quarter because, you know, some jackass backed into a tree three blocks away and I lost my Wi-Fi for an hour. Hey, you know, it's fun, cable and satellite.

That's what I did for that. There'll be a disaster on a Sunday, one of those Sundays. Well, it won't. Not for us specifically. I don't even know if you want to announce this yet, but Simmons and I are hosting the Red Zone, the YouTube version of Red Zone. So that'll be good.

We are. Don't laugh, stupid. Have them make us an offer. Don't laugh at that. Come on, people. That'd be great. Bother your YouTube subscriber. Does that mean I have to work on a Sunday?

That sounds terrible. We're doing it anyway. Cut it out. We'll do it from your infrared chamber. How about that? Does my quarterback have to be Mac Jones again? No, no. Now we have a real coaching staff.

We hired an offensive coordinator. We hired an offensive line coach. Things are moving up for the Pats. I was going to ask you, if you could get one player this year, who would it be? Who would you want? I really like T. Higgins. I wouldn't like him if he was $30 million a year like Tyreek Hill,

but I think T. Higgins is good. He'd excite you the most? Yeah. Well, I just think of the available. We need a receiver who can go and get the ball, unless they draft it. What about a Josh Jacobs? Boy, that Pacheco. I wouldn't pay running backs.

Yeah, I guess not. Can't do that. Got Jacobs, Barkley, potentially. Nah, you can't pay a running back. That's a recipe for disaster. There's just too many Kenneth Gainwells and Pachecos and you get Jarek McKinnon because somebody else, you got him for

like a seventh round pick or he got waived or it's like you can... But if you've got Jimmy G, I think Jimmy G is the one you'd be most excited about. If you had one player. I think, I actually think they're looking at it as we did Mac at his service last year and he actually might be better than you think.

All his teammates love him. Really? So we were watching, there's a couple of plays today, my dad and all my uncles were all huge Pats fans. We're like, oh, Mac would have gotten sacked on that. Mac wouldn't have been able to get out of that. You start judging your own quarterback by all that other stuff.

I don't know where you are. Where are you mentally with Dak? He's the man of the year. That's as prestigious as awarded. By the way, they boo him. He's the man of the year that's as prestigious as awarded by the way they boo him he's the man of the year he's charitable

went through hell to get this league that's a Philly thing though right well why so there really that many Philly fans there I guess how dare they boo him

I think there were jerks I'm okay with him honestly I look at the rest of the league and like I said Aaron Rodgers going away I

if you look at it I'm okay with him. I am okay. Look at the other years. His other full years, he didn't turn the ball over as much as this year. If he does it again, we have a different story. Do you want to fail another quiz? Can we talk about Fangio first

or after? Yeah, right after. What the hell was that? Let's talk after. I guess Fangio did really work. How many people have won two Super Bowls, two Super Bowl MVPs, and two MVPs? I think you... How many people? I'll just tell you.

Are they all quarterbacks? It's three? Montana, Brady, Mahomes. That's it. Oh, I thought Manning would be in there. Montana, Brady, Mahomes. Because Manning won that second Super Bowl, but the defense won it.

He didn't do anything. That is a very good list, Bill. That's a very good list. That's a nice list. Yeah. Eli's not on that list. No? Tom Coughlin? I looked a few times. I didn't see him on that list. Stop it, baby.

No. Montana Brady Mahomes. That's it. Pretty good list. Stop it, baby. Stop it. No, Montana, Brady, Mahomes. That's it. Pretty good list. Wow. It's great. You want to do Parent Corner? Yeah, let's do it. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by CarMax. CarMax lets you shop your way online or at a store near you. And when you finally find your perfect match, get a 30-day money-back guarantee so you can feel confident you found the right car for you or return it if you need to for up to 1500 miles. See carmax.com for details. Carmax car buying re-imagined. All right, go ahead. Uh, so we, um, you know, every single year, our buddy Daniel, God bless his soul. He runs this. I have too much paperwork, right? So I have these

43. Can you see how many props I have here? Yeah. I don't know. So I'm staring at him and I stare at him and I stare at him all day. So we get to Jimmy's and I'm like, Daniel, you're running the pool. He's like, I already got it going. I'm like, okay, great. So we have to sell a hundred squares, right? And he sold like six and I'm like, oh man, it's $20. He's like, yeah, it's gotta be 10. There's not $2,000 in this room. There's a thousand. He said, yeah, but with Venmo and everything, I'm like, all right, well, maybe he's got a point.

With three minutes left, Chris Stapleton is walking out with his guitar and we need 34 boxes. We have 34 boxes left. And so that's it. So now it's just me and it's Daniel and Jimmy. And we're buying like 10 more each. And it sucks.

And Daniel's going up to people who don't like bad football because there's always those fans there or friends there. And they're like, yeah, I just don't trust this. It's like, no, it starts off even. We haven't even drawn the numbers yet. Yeah, I just don't know enough about it. And it's just so it's very frustrating. We haven't even drawn the numbers yet. Like, yeah, I just don't know enough about it. And it's just so, it's very frustrating. So we ended up buying all the boxes.

And I think I bought like 16 boxes, but only had money for 10 boxes, right? So I'm like, all right. No, sorry. I had 16 boxes. I only had money for 13. So I owed $60. So I'm writing all the kids' names in here, right?

But then it's like, there's other kids too. It's like with the same names. So Will Arnett has a son named Archie and I have a son named Archie. And now we have to go back and figure all that out. And that's which one's who's Archie. So anyway, I write all the kids' names in. My Jack wins the first quarter, 250 bucks.

And I give him 190 because I still owe 60. Now he didn't do anything. He didn't put money up. He didn't even write his own name into the box. I put it up there and he says to me, he's like, okay, but you got to owe me the other $60. I said, why do I have to owe you the $60? I didn't have to write your name at all in the air. He's like, yeah, but that's just how it is. First quarter gets $250. So I don't know what to do. I don't like that at all. And we're going

to a minor league hockey game in Palm Springs this weekend and he's going to have to buy his own jersey. I like that stuff. That's the best when the kids think, even though you spotted them that they still get the full figure

yeah that's it's a true test right what would Ben have done he would do that too oh he's he's the master of that

um yeah my 17 and a half year old daughter who on the one hand wants to be treated like an adult

but on the other hand does not act like an adult. Right. So there's been a few times where, you know, in the, in the driveway, it's like, I got to move Zoe's car and you get in the car and there's like, you know, 12, 12 miles left to gas. I'm like, oh, that's not good. So are you going to get some gas? Yeah, you know, I'm going to get, I know I'm down low.

Going the next time. It's like, there's like eight miles left. Hey, you're low on gas. Um, it finally happened on Saturday. She ran out of gas. She was, she had this event at the, uh, in the Palisades and was driving back and just ran out of gas and called us. I think expecting us to come get her. And my wife's like, nope, she's going to have to figure this out. She does that thing. Zoe goes and there's a gas station pretty close that she runs to and gets

one of those cans, fills up 40 gallons of gas in one of those red things they give her and runs back and fills it. 40 gallons. What? No, for like,

you know, 40 miles of gas. Oh yeah. So just enough to drive around. So then she, my uncle Bob is with her a little bit later today and she's low on gas again. Oh. And he's like,

why are you low on gas again? Didn't you get the gas? And she's like, you know, I haven't gotten it yet. Wow. But why haven't you gotten it again? Didn't you get the gas? And she's like, I haven't gotten it yet. Wow. But why haven't you gotten it yet? Didn't you get the gas?

When you went back to the gas station to return the thing, didn't you get the gas then? She's like, oh, I didn't do that yet. The can is still in my truck. I think she thought they just gave her the can. Wow. So now she's driving around with this can in the back that probably has leftover gas. She smells like gas and she has like 30 miles left. So Bob makes her go to get gas.

And this is the same person who's like, I want to be treated like an adult. Let me sleep over at my boyfriend's house. Like, no, you can't. You're not an adult. That's not happening. You know what she is though? She is a gambler. That's, that's a gambler, right? That's what, uh, you know, senior in high school girl is just completely unaware of what's a couple of things, a couple of things, but she's a gambler. She is. Yeah. So it's really like, you know,

she's going to be in college in the beginning of August. And it's just this whole, we have seven months basically to really whip her into shape. Yeah. She's going to be 18 in May. But man, I don't feel like this is the last time she's going to run out of gas. Well, the good news is you're not giving her a car. Yeah, she's a gambler. But you're not giving her a car, right? First year?

No. Where you are? No. All right. You're fine with that. Someone else will run out of gas. I'm fine for other stuff. Have you ever run out of gas?

I did a couple of years ago. I don't even know where I was headed, but thank God I was in a not terrible neighborhood and I just called AAA. But yeah, it's embarrassing. It is stupid. I had one coming back from Vegas once that was 50-50

getting to where the gas station was where it was like, it was just the three hashes where there wasn't even like the zero miles left. It was just the hashes. And I was like, wow, I might actually run out of gas

on the five in the middle of nowhere where it's like 105 degrees. That was my scariest, but I've never run out of gas. One thing I will say to people, at least in my cars, I think the common exception is if you get to zero miles, they give you an extra five. Nope.

I don't know who made that up. Someone who has a sick sense of humor, but no, that's not the case. Zero is zero. You got to get the shot off before then. Hey, Kyle. I'm sure you've run out of gas at least once, right? Oh, yeah. I'm going to say over, under.

Dead wrong. Huh? Dead wrong. Whoa. I'm very upset about this. Never ran out of gas. No, never. Wow.

I would have said like minus one and a half over, under for Kyle running out of gas. Over, never. Wow. I would have said like minus one and a half over under for Kyle running out of gas over the course of his life. Lost my keys for good, but never ran out of gas. So wait a minute. So the many times that you woke up on the side of the road at five in the morning, it wasn't because the gas ran out. I love Kyle. I'm going to miss him.

I feel like our parent corner should have been better in the season finale. Like, oh, Zoe got our- Zoe, Jack's demanding $60 that he never spent. My daughter ran out of gas. It's the end of the season. Maybe Zoe should have gotten Archie pregnant. We should have made something up. It is 2023.

They are high school seniors. Yeah, we could have probably- Yeah. The only other thing is my son is now playing lacrosse and I just don't understand it. It's the first time as a parent that either of my kids is playing a sport that I don't watch or understand in any way. Like I don't understand in any way. Do you understand lacrosse at all? A little bit. I think so. Isn't it just like soccer, hockey, just to advance down the field? Yeah, he said it's a little like basketball where you have to guard a man

and he's playing defense and he's just hitting people and having a great time, but I'm going to be going to these games. Let's do that. I want to go with you. I want to go to a lacrosse game and you go to one of Archie's rugby games and we'll compare because I am lost with the rules there. There's something about

moving the ball. It is football where you have to get down the field. I don't understand it at all. But you can't throw forward. It's all backward passes, which just makes your brain blow up because, wait, why can't I throw forward if I'm trying to go forward? Let's do that. Let's do a home and home.

I really want to understand lacrosse better. Part of me wonders if it's like hockey. I really want it when I was going to the King games. It's like, I'm going to really understand hockey. And then you watch it and you're like, ah, but what don't you understand?

Are they calling penalties that you don't understand? But otherwise, it's just like, like, is there a higher strategy to what's going on? Or is it just, is it is what it is. That's what I want to figure out with lacrosse.

Yeah. We'll see. Um, yeah. All right. That's it for parent corner.? That's what I want to figure out with the Cross. Yeah. We'll see. All right. That's it for Parent Corner. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by CarMax. If you're looking for a ride that won't break your stride or your budget, CarMax can help you find that perfect car for you that raises the bar without raising your budget because all their cars are CarMax certified and priced just right.

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Any highlights? Any great run-ins? I met Dr. Chow. Our buddy Lombardi. Yes, yes. He's available. He would like to come on. He has a lot of thoughts on Mahomes. He

assured me that Mahomes would play and he was right. So Mahomes played our boy Lombardi. I don't know. I mean, everybody's there. It's just crazy. I mean, really, there's like 150 media outlets there. And some of them try to put up lights when it doesn't really matter.

All they have is like a cubicle. But I don't know. I saw Dak. I saw C.D. Lamb. I saw all my guys. But yeah, I did a prop bit with Kenny Main and Mina Kimes and others. But it's fun. It's below you, though. You will never go out there.

It's not below me. I did it too many times. I'm not going to Arizona again. That's where the Tyreek catch happened. I don't want to go back. I want to watch a football game there. Here's my highlight. I see Kevin Clark of the Ringer going up an escalator. I'm going down. We all have these lanyards, right? So what do I do? I grab onto his lanyard as he's going up. And now I'm pulling and pulling and pulling and like the other ringer guys are like what the hell is going on i think some of them saw it was me and then some of them didn't and then finally i let go when he was about four um steps ahead of me but uh yeah it was very traumatic for him if you want to ask him

hey what was bianco pizza just like just insane. I read there's four and a half hour waits for Bianco Pizza. Crazy. And Paul McCartney was there one night. I mean, it's great as always, as we talk about, but, and that really got everybody going. Like with, uh, is Paul McCartney, he must be playing at the halftime show. And, uh, he didn't, he just, he was just sitting in a luxury box. Yeah. He wanted to watch a game

and eat pizza. So good for you. Do people like Arizona as a Super Bowl location or no? I think they do. It's so spread out though now, right? So you have people

staying in like Scottsdale or like 40, if you want to golf, you can stay like 35 minutes from Glendale and Phoenix and it really is spread out. But I think we got to do that tournament. That golf tournament is crazy. The Phoenix. Yeah.

It's so nuts. Yeah. The waste management. That 16th hole. It's like, how do they allow for it where people are just screaming and booing? Like that 16th hole, they boo anything that's not a hole in one. It's spectacular. It's becoming like the fifth major. I thought Arizona

was a pretty bad Super Bowl location because of this spread out thing. That was my memory from the Pats Giants one was people were in Scottsdale and Phoenix. And you basically were stuck where you were Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Everything was so hard to get to. Well, next year we got to go.

Right? We have to see how they do this. Well, next year is Vegas. That's what I mean. We have to see how they do this. Even, next year is Vegas. That's what I mean. We have to see how they do this. Even Ben wants to go to that. Oh, yeah. We'll do it.

That'll be great. I'm with you. I can't wait. All right, cuz. Great year for us. Congrats on hitting the Chiefs. Thank you. I ended up with the losing million dollar picks here.

I ended up losing like $260,000. Yeah, I got killed in the last Super Bowl. I think you could finance that. I don't know. You could take a look. The government's very lenient now these days. I'm sorry about Jody Forts and everyone. Terrible Gary Russell pick. I'll be better.

You'll come on at some point during the NBA playoffs, but we had a really good over-unders year. That was one of the legacies of this season. And we really, really did great. I would love to continue the momentum, but fun as always, this was our seven, eight, nine, 10. Next year, 15.

No, I think this was, we started in 07. So how many years is that? Oh, this was our 16th year. Oh man. So next year, 17. Yeah. We were able to legally drive this year with this sign. Wow. All right. I'm going to hit

an infrared sauna all year and you are going to see how rejuvenated I am come September. Tell me, man. Go Google the infrared sauna. All right, cuz, for the last time this season, good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cousin Sal.

Thanks to Kyle Creighton for producing, as always. And I'll see you on this feed this week, and I'll see you on the Rewatchables Monday night, Sleepless in Seattle. Stay tuned for that. On the wayside, let her say I don't have feelings with him On the wayside, let her say I don't have feelings with him