The Bill Simmons Podcast - Niners Magic, Schlitt Happens, a Red Sox Postmortem, the Seahawks Ceiling, and Week 5 NFL Picks With Kevin Hench and Joe House

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin Hench to react to the end of the Red Sox's season (5:43). Then, Joe House joins for their Ringer 107 picks for NFL Week 5 before discussing some early NBA bets (47:22). Host: Bill Simmons Guests: Kevin Hench and Joe House Producers: Chia Hao Tat and Eduardo Ocampo The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit⁠⁠ www.rg-help.com⁠⁠ to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And then actually the fourth quarter was happening as Kevin Hensian, we're recording our Red Sox post-mortem and talking about Schlittler and what this means for the Yankees. Red Sox rivalry. What are the silver linings? We did a whole bunch of stuff, and it was really fun.

And then the game went in overtime. So I actually watched the overtime just now. And the Rams went for it on fourth and one with a typical terrible Sean McBade fourth and one call. This is like for what a genius he is as an offensive mind and what a great coach is. And I think he's one of the best five or six coaches. it's stunning how bad some of his big fourth and one or like season on the line game on the line some of his calls like I was like I'm watching it going please don't run Williams right into the middle in front of eight guys just do the do the play where puka just flares out and he throws it for two yards like or fake that you're gonna no nothing the niners end up stealing it the niners are now four and one even though half of their team is injured mac jones who looked like he was playing on one leg for and just got hurt over

and over again during the game, finished with 3.42 for two touchdowns. Kendrick Bourne was over 100 yards. These are all like former failed patriots. This is the year of former failed patriots. Why is God torturing us? But it was a great win for the Niners. The Rams fall to three and two. And I think the big winner might have been the Seahawks because I still think the Seahawks are the live bet in that division. Joe House and I are going to talk about that later. But it was a really, really great Thursday game. And for a second, it felt like another tie was in play. never ties ever. We had a tie Sunday and it felt like there would be another one today, but the Rams really blew it. They ended up, I think they were eight and a half,

eight point, nine point favorites. It was over seven by the time game time happened. And the Niners playing on short rest, it seemed like a throwaway game for them in a lot of ways. And it just, it wasn't. Somehow they are now four and one. They're over under for the year was 10 and a half. And it seemed like when they started getting all these injuries, no way. they're not no way they're hitting that over now now they're four and one and um can they get to 11 and six bizarre they've had they've had some very strange games this season and the rams i just feel like are probably the most talented team in that division and are somehow a game back with seattle kind of looming and um as we talk about later with house i really like that seattle

team so house and i are coming up later we're breaking down the week five slate we're doing ringer 107 picks coming up next my buddy kevin hansh red sox post more And we're going to talk about the Yankees. Do they actually have some World Series chances? We're going to try to jinx them as much as we can. It's all coming up next. We're going to take a break. And then our friends from ProJam.

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It's a little before 8 o'clock on Thursday night. The Niners Rams game is going. We're going to try this one. We're going to have the NFL game on as my buddy, Kevin Hensh and I recap the end of the Red Sox season, a team that was lovable, frustrating, and you saw all of it over the course of this series. It all came down to one inning, Hinch, a four-run inning with our rookie early out there, and our defense let us down, and all of a sudden the season was over. I mean, you know, really the series was lost last night. You know, Jaron Duran, being built.

like D.K. Metcalf, not always great for baseball. Like, you know, he's a bodybuilder. And so he did all the hard work of getting to Aaron Judges pop fly. And then the simple part, which is also D.K.'s problem, by the way, the simple part of just squeezing it in your, in your midst, got away from him. So that's one run that they shouldn't have scored. And then obviously, if Sidon gets the bunt down last night, Sovards fly ball is the sack fly. We win the game four three instead of losing the game four three we vanquished the evil empire um but say dan's bun now believe me i wish i i was in zoe simmon soccer game last night so sadan you know cora puts the bunt on first and second nobody out you're like definitely the right baseball play

in a playoff game for sure then say don proceeds to stab at a pitch 14 inches outside the strike zone, and I'm like, you've got to take the bunt off. This guy is not going to execute a bunt. And so he doesn't. He leaves the bunt on and say, Don bunts it on the fly to the rubber, which ironically is further than he hit a ball for eight weeks in July and August. Like, he had a slump after the All-Star break where he just never hit the ball. And then he rips a bunt back to the pitcher's mound. They don't have been honest to runners. They lose last night by a run and just tonight felt preordained. Like I was like, when you let a team off the hook, when you have them,

Cora going and getting Bayo in the third, like he was not messing around. He knew he went for it last night and we had him. And then we let him off the hook. And then, you know, you and I have a lot of experience with Cam Schlittler. Very little of it as good as, you know, as Roto owners. who now have to keep him for $19. We actually have to. He played himself on our roster next year.

Henshen and I picked him up, what was it, mid-July for $19. We took a flyer. He had big strikeout numbers. And he had some good starts for us, but nothing, nothing, nothing like this historic dominance. A shitty lineup. Yes, I mean, and that's the thing,

you know, this is not our team, our best player. is out for the season, Roman Anthony, the best player in a generation for the Red Sox. You know, the Willi or Brayu, a top five player on this roster, also essentially out for the season. Like, he never got his timing back.

So he came back and dressed, but he didn't do anything after he came back. You know, our first base interest in Casas, lost him for the season. And then we lost Halk, Cutter Crawford, Hunter Dobbins, and Richard Fitz, those are four guys who could have made 120 starts. They made 30 starts.

So you end up with like, why are you guys starting Connolly early in a playoff game? And G. Lito, who made it all the way to the end of September to get his bonus for next year and then got hurt. Yeah, we're on our 11th starter. That's why this kid who doesn't look like he's old enough to drink is starting a deciding game in Yankee Stadium. We've, you know, this is modern baseball. You kind of have to have a staff where six guys have teeth. DJ. And that's how you get through the season. But, you know, so obviously going back to Sunday, I was like, we have to lose to the Tigers. We have to lose to the Tigers. And, you know,

this was. Yeah, you were comparing it to the Joe Milton game. Yeah, it was. David Hamilton. David Hamilton and Jose Delion, Joe Milton did us on the last day of the season where we absolutely have to lose, you know, Butch Coolidge is supposed to take time. The irony of David Hamilton, who had the worst bunting sequence, not just of the season, but of the decade that cost us the extra win that we would have had to maybe even sniff, sniff something better than where we ended up. There's a pre-bunt attempts in San Diego where it's like you're an under 200 hitter, middle infielder, utility infielder with no power, borderline guy, like, this obviously is a skill

you have to have. Like, you must do this, you must do this all the time. And it's like, nope, can't bunt as nobody i feel like you know clean eastwood and grand terino why can't anybody bun like i'm fucking just angry that's the thing that's the thing about these 106 to new game seasons that we experience day to day on our text thread these little moments that happened during the six months and then when you get to the playoffs they all come back like raphaela who i think is a fantastic center fielder he has one weakness on those little stupid pop fives into mid-center that he's always laid on and he's always diving wrong

and how many times did that happen this year? It's insane for a guy who catches everything in the triangle. You're like, how is he even there? And I don't know, he just must not get a good read because the last 22 pop flies in front of him he's laid out, got leather on them and caught zero of them.

So, yeah, we had to lose so we could face the guardians who obviously they were going to pump again. That team was not, that team had a minus six run differential on the season. They were not good. We had to lose on Sunday. And then, of course, when Jose Delion starts for us, I'm like, who's Jose Delion?

And I'd go to the baseball stats. And he was 0 and 9 with a 6.93 ERA and AAA. And I'm like, okay, Cora is doing everything he can. You can't get a call from the commissioner. You have to put players on the field. So it's like you start Jose Delion, you start David Henson, Hamilton, you're doing everything you can. Jose Delion has the start of his life, and David Hamilton hits a home run.

And we win. And we have to play the Yankees instead of the future. You were actually focused on this. I was just like, whoever we play, whatever, the roster we have. It's not like we're winning four rounds. Rider Cup was on. NFL was on. But in retrospect, I wish I had been more focused on Jose de Leon.

You know, I mean, the guardians, like, they're number five hitters hitting 195. Like their lineup reminds me of our lineup. Like they are terrible. And I know you, me and O'Malley, and sure, the thread all recognizes

how flawed this Yankees team is. But they also almost always have a terrifying guy at the plate. Like you say what you want about what a weird team they are. But like a lot of time you're like, oh, Ben Rice could go deep here. Well, especially if you have a writing

going against them, it feels like six, seven guys could just go deep on any of bet. We used to have back when the owner spent more money and they actually cared about the roster. Now we have Nate Lowe. Is there a more obvious guy in the history of the franchise

to make the last out of the season than Nate low? I mean, it was such a bummer. I mean, because of course, we had no first basement for most of the year. We were trying to do it with like Abraham Toro. We did have a first baseman. We just never asked them to play first base in February and March.

Raphael Demers. That's right. I forgot about the guy. We just told him he was going to DH only. And then when our first baseball got hurt, all of a sudden, he was mad at everybody and didn't want to play first base. That guy's dead to me forever. So Abraham Toro bless his heart because, you know, he really battled.

But he was like my height. And I am not. And, you know, as someone who's played a lot of shortstop, you don't like throwing the midgets at first base. like every throw has to be right on the money there's no stretch what's funny is you bringing him up that he was like 12 terrible red sox hitters ago he's not even in the team anymore he bad he'd clean up for us after the trade they're buying he would have hit fifth tonight like i really like this anyway so so when we got nathaniel low like the first thing i do is like i'm like oh he's six

four okay well that's right off the bat where he's six four he looks the part and then i look and i'm like oh, you want to go a glove, okay, that's good. And then I looked at his ranger numbers and I'm like, this guy's, this guy's not very good. Like, he strikes out all the time. And he, you know, and he obviously kind of just finally fizzled out with the national. So like, there's a reason he was on the slag heap and then, you know, hit the big home run against the Orioles and we're like, oh, he's going to have that death rattle two months

where he's awesome. And then it's like, no, he's just a not very good hitter. And it really, yeah, the death rattle on the ground bottom. first base where we needed him to make a really good play. And, of course, he did not. I mean, it's funny about the four runs tonight because, like, not only, you know, last night our bodybuilder in left field couldn't squeeze the ball, but Rumi Gonzalez is also built like a bodybuilder.

And then when he was trying to get to Volpe's dribbler, like he's blocky, he's fast in a straight line like DK, but you have to move laterally. And then he also could have been standing under Bellinger's pop-up. that started the whole problem. Somebody should have been camped under that, Paul, because it was up there for a week and a half. And so, so. It was ridiculous.

I can't believe that started everything because early was, early was dealing. But as depressing as those four runs were, you know, I texted you early on. I was like, how are we going to score a run? We're not.

You could tell a Schlittler right away. It was just like, oh my God, he could just announce, hey, it's going to be 101 right down the middle. we were overmatched from from jump street he must have love playing our lineup too oh no you get excited right you're like well the thing with these guys these big strapping right handers who can throw one-on-one and you also give them an awesome crowd and play off

adrenaline like we were arguing on our threat about whether he should have even come back in for the seventh i liked it because he was only at like 90 pitches but it's like we haven't we even touched this guy he of course but when they brought it back for the eighth i thought that was pushing in then of course We swung at everything, and it was a seven-pitch inning. And, you know, I mean, game one, Luke Weaver scarred Booney for life. So, I mean, he just was like, please get me to Bednar. Lo, you know, Lowe's body would look out of shape on a men's league softball team.

Like, he would be the fat out of shape guy on a team of 50-year-olds. Yeah, they had a slow-mo of him swinging and missing and his belly was juggling in the slowbo. I was like, I haven't seen that in a while. He hits a comebacker, and it's like, it's the most slow motion double play. I think is Devin Williams last night, airmails Volpe. So it's like he almost throws it into center field. And you're like, oh, are we going to, are they going to get no outs? It's like, oh, no, no, Volpe saved it from going to center field.

He came down on the bag. Well, it's obviously not going to get a double play. It's like, oh, no, low still running. He's two-thirds the way to first base. Wow. He's like running like he's in a horror movie being chased by a serial killer villain. So I got to be honest,

I mean, especially after yesterday, wasn't feeling great about today because it was October 2nd, which is our Michael Myers Day for Red Sox fans. You just go back to 1978, which I think was the first real, maybe the Ben Dreight game. I was pretty young when that happened,

but I knew something bad it happened. in Raiders, Pats. Definitely watched it. The rough in the past, they're going to Sugar Bear Hamilton. But that Bucky Dent game was the first, like, actually crying from a loss game for me.

And so just seeing that this game was on October 2nd, I can't say I felt great. You must have felt the same way, right? Yeah, I mean, obviously all the success has ameliorated the pain of that day quite a bit.

Yeah, but there's still the, just the day itself, it's hard not to just, think of Yaz popping out to that'll... Well, it's funny because, you know, your, your doc was on a couple nights ago, and I was, I was watching the

comeback from 3-Zip, and it's just, it never gets old, it's so amazing. All those characters, all those moments, all those plays. Like, you know, you talk about like Duran, not squeezing judges ball last night and, and missing the bun, it's like, the 2004

Red Sox, it made every play. Like, there was no, Curtis Kahnick. Like, there's nobody, once we had no margin for error, nobody did anything wrong. It was insane. Well, and then we got every break, too. I'll never forget that Tony Clark, Tony Clark double going into the stands and just saving our asses.

But, but in the, so whenever you're establishing what the mood was in 2004, you have to show 2003. And like, sometimes I see these things that I'm like, how did I survive? How did I, I, like, how did we? We didn't. We were working together at Jimmy's show. I left the next day. I left early. I asked if I could leave. I couldn't function. And then, you know, when he brings, when, when Tito brings Pedro in, in game seven, why are you doing this?

In 2004, there's no explanation for it. And then, you know, I know Tito's already doing soundbite, so I know he's going to be asked this question. And then Pedro is already, said, I didn't have my cleats on. Like, I had no, I, there's under no circumstances did I think I was pitching in this game. And then Tito goes, it was really important to Pedro. And I love those

moments where someone's lying. Someone is definitely lying. It's like, well, if it was so important to him, he should have known where his cleats were, because he didn't think he was pitching. But it took me back to like, even when you're up, you know, 8-1, you can get nervous

because you're a Red Sox fan. Yeah, but we've, flip this though in them. By the time we got to this decade, I felt like we had flipped the juju and now it took 2025 where they just have a way more expensive better lineup and better pitchers and better everything. And we had basically this. We had a five-man team. You don't think Nathaniel Lowe could start for the Yankees? I don't. I was thinking about like, you know, some people don't really watch other teams until we get to, if you're a National League And you probably haven't watched the Red Sox this year.

I was thinking about people just watching our lineup going, wait, this guy, this guy's batting fifth? Or just first pitch, Rob Reff Schneider, is your leadoff hitter? Like, that guy's been a utility player for 10 years. And we did have this crazy smoke and mirrors thing where Romy and ref were our lefty killers. I actually thought they were going to do well in game one. But they are utility players.

They're not everyday players. And so when they started the series 0 for 13, I was like, yeah, America's introduced to our lineup. Well, and then those guys, and then the other one was Raphael, who really came on the last couple weeks of the season and seemed like he was back to where he was in June. And then he stunk in this series. He had the 11 pitch walk. And I was like, this, this, the 11 pitch walk against Weaver that really, one game one was like

a poker player setting a guy up for the big win at the end like Raftal spent 600 played appearances going, you're not going to believe

what's going to happen. I'm going to take that pitch out of the strike zone. I'm going to walk. But he's like the sting. He was back to his normal self tonight striking out on ball four in the second.

Let's take a quick break and then I want to do silver linings. All right. Hens, silver linings. The Yankees have to bring back Aaron Boone now. I think that's a win for us, right? You can't fire him now.

I want a playoff series. It might have to extend them. And by the way, like I don't, I mean, as I've said this a lot, but like I miss George Steinbrenner. Like I,

I love, you know, we grew up with the, you know, Billy Martin, Bob Lemon, Billy Martin, Dick Houser,

Billy Martin. Like, that was fun. This thing of like Cashman and Boone have lifetime appointments, like Supreme Court justices, like, where's the fun of New York? And I feel the same way about the Cowboys. Like, Jerry Jones is the nicest guy in the world. Like, you know, like, they lose a game and he's like, I'm sick to death for the kids.

I love those guys. Like, are you pissed off? Nobody's angry anymore. Billionaires aren't angry. Like, yeah, Boone should have been fired 10 times over. And Cashman, I can't believe how many lives Cashman has lived through this. this drought, like 2009, you're the Yankees. Why is this guy still making personnel decisions?

Silver lining number two, judge didn't really do anything. Playoff judge is still a factor. It's still a fun thing. Because all we have now, once the Red Sox get eliminated, is now rooting against the Yankees, which is like, brings me 97% of the satisfaction of the Red Sox winning. So judge not being able to get over the hump

as like this awesome playoff hitter. We still have that holding. on to it. Well, and sure, sure made the great point that, like, Judge hitting a flare to left that Duran drops and then, and then going, this is our house at first place. Like, you, you just hit a weak fly ball to left. Yeah. That, you know, Randy, Macho Man Savage couldn't haul in. Like, like, why are you happy? Why are you proud of yourself? Here's my third silver lining. McMahon made that great, great, uh, careening into the dugout catch. in the, what was it, the eighth inning?

Yeah. Nobody helped them. I like that the Red Sox Yankees' animosity is still there. That guy was just going to cream to his death, and people were like, ah? No, like, no, obviously the lesser angels of our nature immediately when Slayton hit judge were like, oh, is that the hammock bone fracture possibility? I was like, oh, maybe that'll sting them for the rest of the game. The four silver lining, and this is a bigger conversation,

are the Red Sox owners going to care that they lost the series to the Yankees, the team that we have tilted the upper hand on over the last 20 plus years. And now when you watch the Yankees roster versus the Red Sox roster, and they allegedly traded Devers so that they would have more money to spend this winter. And you have Roman Anthony, who's this generational talent, as you said, who I do think if he's in this series, I think he maybe swings game two, but I just want people to understand

like how good that guy is. Are they going to actually give a shit about next season in a real way? Because I have no idea. Well, I mean, obviously the nucleus is already there. So the question becomes, what do they add? How about some starters? That would be fun.

Well, how about not doing the roll of the dice with the $19 million guy coming off some sort of injury and keeping your fingers crossed? Can we stop that? The Walker Bueller formula has, failed. Maybe we get a guy like Nick Povetta. Hey,

that's an interesting thing. Four years, $55 million for a guy who makes every start. Like I don't really, you know, and then Quinn Priester going 19 starts for the Brewers without losing, you know,

when we are going into like literally into AA to get to the finish line because we have no starters. And Paveta and Priester are making every start for the, we're in an AEL Keeper League. And we also follow all the baseball America prospects. At no point in the first four months of this season was I like, I wonder if Early can start a playoff game for us.

That was not a conversation we had. We all had our eyes on Tully because he was ripping through the system so fast and he threw so hard. And then it's like, you're like, oh, he's not your best rookie lefty. I mean, Conley Early knows what he's doing out there. He really... And he was so unfair that I was annoyed by the announcers. I thought they did a terrible job in the fourth inning.

I thought they're pretty good for the game, but being like, oh, and they're finally figured him out second time in the order. They're finally late. And it was like, are you watching this? We should have caught the pop fly. The grounder is like, Volpey would have stopped one of those. And then Nate Lowe. All announcer is like a guy, a guy gets completely beaten by a pitch and it jams him and he hits

a flare over the first baseman's head there. Great piece of hitting. Yeah. it's like it's like oh what a save that thing that hit him in the throat that he didn't know anything about what a save uh yeah that they were that they had figured something out the second time through the order so that they could hit all those weak pop flies meanwhile as we're as we're recorded this the the rams driving for a possible game winning touchdown this could be yet another Kyle Shanahan has the lead and then collapses late game I don't know how he does it you

If you win three games with Mac Jones, you should go right to the Hall of Fame. I know, like, I'm sorry. I don't know how. You should get the Aaron Boone extension. Obviously, I've been watching baseball, so I don't know how Mac Jones is done tonight, but it's pretty crazy.

Well, big picture thoughts. So, Mike Shore, our friend texted that it's the least talented Red Sox playoff team since the Jose Offerman years. And that sent a chilled down my spine because I remember those 90s teams kind of talking yourself into the chance, while deep down knowing, like, this was a freaking mismatch and that these Yankees teams were juggernauts and we weren't going to be

there. Now, the reasons for that, there are a lot of injuries, like a comic amount of injuries this year combined with some bad phrage of moves, but I also feel like the nucleus isn't that far away, the young guys. I think my guy, Cameron Williams, just fumbled at the one-yard line. Come on. He remandre Stevenson did. No.

I think so. I think so. I'm sorry. He just remandrated it? He remandrated it at the 6-inch line. I just looked up because I thought I was getting my third Kyron Williams touchdown. The Niners are celebrating. Sorry, sorry. Nucleus. 2026 nucleus. But what I'd say, okay, so, you know, I don't know if Tristan Kossis is a 3.2 war or a 2.5 war, but we've never really been given an opportunity to see his ceiling. Like, does

he hit 27 home runs and walk 90 times? Like, Tristan Kosses, I'd like to see him play a season at first base if it's physically possible for him. I would have traded him last February as, as we argued about many times for one of those Seattle guys. That would have been the correct move.

You know, another guy who can't stay on the field, but if he could, Marcel Lemaire Mears showed us a lot defensively, and he's got a great swing. You and I have been with him for years in rotisserie, and we know

he has trouble staying on the field, but if he could play second base, trouble. Every day, that would be a huge upgrade. I assume... We drafted him. We had the first pick in the El Keeper thing in the minors. We drafted him over Vopi.

And I think every single year he's had the red flag next to his name on our team roster thing for at least two months. And it happened again. Yeah, he never makes it to the finish line. My dad, I told you, my dad has given up on him. He's like, I just don't think he's ever going to be healthy. He's not showing us that he can be a durable baseball player. I have not given up on him. So, so I, you know, hopefully that's not the case. Obviously, the outfield of Roman Sedan, Willier, and Duran in some combination and

rotation is pretty good. What about Yoshida, who was the best hitter we had for the last five weeks of the season that we made fun of all through July? And then if you, you know, story seems to have, he was great. He was had an incredible season. He was healthy. And you and I were just talking earlier about the pregnant thing, which is suddenly confusing and terrifying because.

Well, explain that for the audience, because this seemed like he was going to opt out at the end of the year after he had this awesome season. sign a bigger deal, but then he got hurt, comes back, and I'm not sure I want to sign him a bigger deal. So, you know, the Tigers thought they were getting Bregman because they offered him a six-year deal and crazy money. And then the Red Sox offered him a three-year deal for $120 million with the option to opt out, which is like, you know, you're going to make $120 million, but you're also betting on yourself. Like, it's a double whammy. You get $120 million, but, you know, so he was so good right away that I was like, oh, we should give him the Tigers deal.

Like, then he got hurt. Then he came back and he was excellent. Then he vanished. From August 22nd on, he was like the second worst player in baseball. It was he was, he couldn't, he could not drive the ball. And, and then, you know, Barrett, Brian Barrett was saying, if Meyer had been healthy, he could have played two days a week at third base. Bregman might have made it to the finish line.

But it's like, well, you can't sign a guy to a six-year extension if you're already thinking about how to play him five days a week. Well, you forgot the irony of this whole thing is that part of the reason that they traded Mookie Betts, which they were dumb enough to tell us when John Henry did the whole thing about these big free agent contracts, when these guys hit their 30s, they transform into, you know, a different level of player. So it's like, now you're just going to overpay. Bregman. So it'll be interesting

if they just completely do the opposite of why they traded Mookie Betts which is still one of the worst trades in the history of Boston. You know, so now, so I was against Bregman across the board when it was rumored. Because I felt, it felt desperate. It just felt like they had struck out.

They needed to do something so we wouldn't be mad at them. And I was looking at that baseball card and I was looking at like the year he knew what was coming versus all the other years. And I was like, This is a decline phase in the making. We could get overtime in this game. Rams kickoff back to 30.

Wow, this is some exciting podcasting right now. Of course, there's a flag. So I was kind of like, I was like, this, I don't love this Breggman signing. And then I just had to shut up because he was incredible offensively. We were like an awe of how good he was the first five weeks. And like an incredible leader. Yeah, he was great defensively, great base runner. explaining the game to guys like and so you know it's just such a great presence but then

watching him uh you know hit shallow fly balls for six weeks down the stretch was rough and not a great not a great salary drive like it was you know so i don't you know he he had obviously had a huge hit uh in game one um but uh yeah it wasn't it was you didn't feel um the confidence he did he didn't he didn't he didn't I feel like the same guy. Ironically, you had a lot more confidence in story. I mean, I always thought story was going to hit the ball hard by the end of the season. And Yoshida.

I think Duran is probably the trade piece because he's on a reasonably good deal. I think they get a pitcher for him and they have other outfielers to play his position, right? Yeah. I mean, we have four outfielders for three spots. And the thing about Duran, he's so terrible against lefties. And if you're in a division and in a league where you're going to have to deal with Max Fried and Carlos Rodone every year, what is the point of having this guy that you have to either not play at all or drop him way down in the order because he can't hit the two best pitchers on your rival?

Like his value shrinks. So, you know, you've got to go get somebody who can hit. those two guys he could play center for a bunch of teams like it's not like it's not like he couldn't help so with the rams third and ten now 30 seconds left it's so weird because i you know i watched him play center field and he graded out very well and he didn't regularly drop balls in center field like that drop that drop against the the yankees was you know he had like a bunch of those this year where he just gets kind of disoriented on his route to the ball and and then gets there

and doesn't finish the easiest part. Catching a baseball with a baseball glow. So we had eight, eight figure guys this year for money-wise. Yoshida, 18, Bragman 25, Story 22 and a half, Chapman 10.8, they're bringing him back.

G. Leto 19, which I think triggered an option that he's in control of for next year. So he might be come back. Matt's at 12.5. Jordan Hicks. 12.5 couldn't make the playoff roster. The

third in the punch bowl, the Rodfield Devers trade, we knew with him immediately. It was just 99, right down the middle, and guys teed off. And then Bueller at 21 million who got waived. Wow, there's a lot of poop-poot platter in there. So here are the

Yankees. Coal 36, Redan 28, freed 14 and a half, Goldie 12 and a half, McMahon 12 and a half, Judge 40, 127. And Stanton 32, the contract that everybody said was too expensive. And meanwhile, he's fucking terrifying when you're going against him to playoff series. It's a miracle when you get him out. You can't believe like you escaped him. He hits 300 miles per hour worth of balls on consecutive swings. Like that was foul was like 200 miles an hour. And then he hits one that

he thinks is gone. And I just don't know how a guy who can look that bad, it just feels like you You can bounce the ball up to him sometimes and it'll swing it at anything. And then the playoffs come around and it's like, nope, I'm only going to hit lasers. Well, so big picture with this Red Sox, Roman is the only thing that matters. Like ultimately, like we could talk about all this other stuff. But, you know, we didn't talk about him a lot on this podcast because I didn't want people to think I was a maniac. But we just were like an awe of incredible. That was the best rookie season for the part that he put.

that I can remember since Nomar in 97, when Nomar would just come up and just hit these rockets time and time again, and you're like, this guy's a rookie? And Anthony, I think, was better than him. Because, you know, obviously, he hit the 497 foot home run in Worcester, and it was like, oh, my God, you know,

Roy Hobbs is, this is mythical, this guy's coming. And then struggled out of the gate and it was kind of like, all right, that's what rookies usually do. then clearly he figured it out and then the three at-bats that come to mind

which make it so depressing about how our season ended and how his season ended but so we're in Minnesota after the turbulent flight and they bring in Johan Duran who's definitely gonna get moved but he throws 100 miles an hour

with movement and Romans unfazed there's no picture he's phased by he gets the game winning base hit off Duran then against the Astros they bring in a lefty specialist who like hasn't given up a hit on a slider to a left-handed batter all year. Roman goes off the base of the wall for the winning hit, you know, immediately on the pitch, no left. And we're texting when he's coming up.

Like, Roman's going to hit this guy. Roman's going to hit this guy. We're like, we don't care what the numbers are. We're so confident in him. And then, of course, the greatest moment of our season, he takes Paul Skeen's deep while Peyton Tully's dad is being interviewed live. And Peyton Tully's pitching a shutout. And Roman A's, and he hits one off Skeens like, who the fucks Paul Skeens?

I don't give a shit. And then Peyton Tully's dad is like, that ball's gone. And we're like, this, that moment, that was obviously the peak of our season because then Coral likes totally come out for the sixth. Then it all falls apart. And then Roman tears a muscle that didn't exist when Hank Aaron and Willie Mays were playing, but I don't get that part either. But anyway, so we've already seen that.

nobody dominates Roman Anthony. That there's no, once you're launching off Paul Skeens, there's nobody better than that. So he is, you know, the reason we're going to be so excited in March, Crochet is the guy. I mean, that performance where he gives up the home run to Volpe, and then he just said, well, that's it for you guys. That is it for you guys.

17 in a row are going down. And then Beio made a big leap until he didn't. So he's probably a three or four guy. Kind of ran out of gas the last six weeks. I think early is going to be a three or four guy. You know, can Howe come back and be a three or four guy? Can Crawford come back? Those guys.

But, you know, to your point, what we need. Will they spend money on a starter? Who's Max Reed this year? Can we get that guy? We need the second. We need the number two starter, you know. And it's like when you look at the bubble gum and match sticks that we tried to put this roster together within the series against the Yankees. And then look at the Dodgers

who are like, okay, well, obviously Snell Yamamoto, Glasnow, and Otani are never going to give up a run. But what do we do about the bullpen? And they go, oh, look, in our garage, we have this 100-mile-an-hour society, like just laying around. Like, everyone forgot about him. It's like, oh, he throws a hundred. Let's have him go close out the series. It's like the Dodgers roster is so comically deep. You're just like, you know, Pahas would be our best hitter. Like, he would have, he would have hit third in our lineup in the series.

We used to spend money like that, though. Nobody spent money like that. Well, no, not money like the Dodgers, but we used to be in the stratosphere where we would have an embarrassment of riches with expensive guys. And we're so torn because we love Mookie eternally because he's just the fucking greatest human being

to ever play professional sports. And so we don't like it when he's got a 690 OPS and playing shortstop seems to be ruining his career. And then the playoffs come and he's just hitting lasers all over the place. They're like, okay. Well, big picture, we need the Yankees to lose just because that's what we need to begin with. But also, I'm a little worried about them next year because this Schlittner, I don't know, that was a pretty, I know it was against our crappy lineup, but we were watching him the last

two and a half months. He was throwing 100 every time he pitched and he just looked like, oh, this guy they have something and he's going to be their number four started next year because Cole will be back at some point. Rodon, they still have. Freed Cole, Rodon Schlittler. Schilder is your

number four? It's terrifying. And are they keeping Bednar? They are, right? Because I think it's, you're right to be terrified. That is a terrifying rotation. Not to mention they still have you know, they stand and Judge

are going to be back. They're going to have jazz. By the way, that was another great thing about this series. Boone not playing jazz in game one was like a gift.

That guy's, I don't care if he's left or righty. I don't want him in the game. He does too many good things, even if he's not going to get a hit. So. And I mean,

you know, in all the, all the things it took for us to lose a one-run game last night, you know, Whitlock through Jazz changeups that everybody swings at.

Like he threw him these changeups. They were like, that looks like a strike for 59 feet. And he just on them. You're like, you can't throw a better pitch. You can't throw a change up. Then it's a strike that he'll hit it. So he lays off it.

He walks, but we're still okay unless the count goes to 3-2 and Wells hits the fucking chalk. Right. And then he scores by six inches. Like it was the nightmare of all the things that had to go down for us to lose by one run and it all happened and that's and what do you think is the best baseball team you watch more of the other teams than I do well I've been very high on

the Mariners since they got all those guys and you you've uh you because we got him in Roto you've been oh Nailer we're keeping him next year yeah Nailer for 24 is happening I mean our Roto season came down to not going an extra dollar for Cal Rally. and letting him go and then spending the money we would have spent on Cal Rally on Christian Campbell thinking he was going to be like the next guy and he had a month and a half and was never seen again.

That April may be unprecedented in baseball history. I mean, I'll let the Tim Kirchins dig into it, but he just hit nothing but line drives for a month against major league pitching. And then... We were comparing him to Mookie bets. We were like, this is what Mookie was like when he was young, just line drives.

And then starting on May 1st, he did not hit a ball over 70 miles an hour. Yeah, the league figured out something with him and that was that. All right, give us your 32nd, the Patriots might win in Buffalo on Sunday night case. You know, I think that Bill's defense stinks. And I think Drake May is good. So, you know, our defense is not as good as I thought it would be. Obviously looked a lot better with our full complement of players, including Gonzo. but I think if the bills, if we're within a score

in the lake, I think we can drive on that defense. And if it's 31.30, I hope Frabel goes for two. Well, we'll be talking about that on Ringer 107. My last question, the good son at the end when she's holding McCauley Culkin and Elijah Wood, and she doesn't have the strength to keep both and has to drop one of them. Oh, no.

You're holding Drake, Drake, May, and Roman, Anthony, and you only have the strength to keep one. Who do you keep? Goodbye, Drake. I love you. Yeah, you love Roman Anthony. I love Roman. Since we've known each other, I don't think, not even Tatum.

I think Roman Anthony is number one for you. He's one of one. He really is. I mean, he was like must watch. It was the first time in a couple years where I was like going out of my way to watch at bats from a Red Sox said her. Like, I think, like, Mani was probably the Ortiz. I guess like 2013 range Ortiz. But Mani was the last one where I was like, I just don't want to miss a

single pitch with this dude. And the way he carries himself, like his interviews, he seems like he's from another time. Like, he's just so great. Yeah. He like his family. Yeah. Like, I was in love his parents are going every game. They just seem like good hangs. Meanwhile, I'm like, you know, do I have to hold my breath every time he swings as hard as he's, he Ken? Like, is this oblique something that's going to, you know, we didn't have these oblique and Achilles when we were growing up with sports. It was my day. Yeah, people would just blow out their knee every once in a while. All right, Kevin Hensch, great to see you as always. Can't wait to figure out our alekeeper team with you over the course of the winter as we debate on

Schlittner for $19. He roped us in. He's definitely, we're going to keep him and it'll probably, it'll probably put some sort of curse on him. Would you go back in time and kill baby Schlittler? see edge all right brother all right we're recording this before rams niner so whatever happens in that game we don't know it happening happening in the future ringer 107 also happening in the future we're going to come up with some picks we did okay last week i felt like it could have been better i wanted to throw some october odd stuff at you um just that stuff i noticed on fanduel like josh allen now being a minus odds for mvp he's minus 105 feels early for yet for that and yet and yet I couldn't come up with somebody

I liked more Herbert's 6 to 1 Mahomes is plus 650 nobody else has really emerged but do you agree with Alan having minus MVP odds No but they have this incredible schedule in front of them

it's really hard to go through the Buffalo schedule and find losses and if they end up 14 and 3 you know it seems like everybody else the chiefs look like they're fine but they're like a 12 and 5 team, the Rams.

The one that does kind of intrigue me is Matthew Stafford. Now, I'll knock on wood right now. Yeah. You know, he will have played. It will have results from that game when people are hearing this. But how about Drake May at 70 to 1? Come on, man. Drake, Drake, Baby.

Nothing at all? No, thank you. No, thank you. Are you in the Drake Maybe camp? No. I do expect a really good game from him out of this Buffalo. This is a great referendum on Drake Maybe. Let's see.

Let's see it. He's Drake definitely for me. Some division odds that jumped out to me. AFC North, Pittsburgh still plus 185. And taping this on a Thursday afternoon, who knows if Lamar is playing or not. They're claiming he might try to play against Houston this week. But Pittsburgh plus 185 still feels mildly enticing. It feels like they can get to 9 and 8.

I'm not betting it, but I just thought the odds would be lower. Do you notice that one? Yeah, I'm looking at it. I don't know what to do. It's a stayaway to me. because Aaron Rogers is their quarterback and they can be one and three it's still it's still Baltimore can rip off you know 10 wins in a row and then they're they're decimated though they are they there's this imaginary point that you can pass during the NFL season with

injuries and it feels like they've either passed it or they're really close but on the other hand Lamar and Josh are the two guys that you feel like they can win nine to 10 in any situation I guess we'll find out. Plus 185 seemed a little high considering the Baltimore injury stuff. Houston, AFC South, plus 650. They were minus 110 before the season. If they beat Baltimore this week, they'd be two and three. And if you're playing it out, like Jacksonville loses to Casey on Monday night.

Houston beats Baltimore. Indy, you know, they're probably winning this week against the Raiders, but they'd be four and one. But at least the Texans would get to play them again. Plus 650 seemed high. You surprised by that? It's worth a little taste just because of that defense, but honest to God, I like getting the Colts that even money. I think the Colts are legit.

I think you're right, because they should have won last week. They have two touchdowns that got called back. This is my favorite. And sadly, I can't do it because I have so much money in them already from June, July, August. But Denver, plus 460 to win the AFC West. And the case would be, you also have to expect them to beat Philadelphia. Philadelphia this week. That would be the upset for week five to move to three and two. But there's

some really good advanced metrics with them. They lost two games. They easily could have won and you could argue that they blew and their defense is good. And I think they have a top five running game right now, at least by the stats. And there's the Bo Nex issue. But plus 460 seem high to me, house. Well, it's basically you're gambling on Bo Nex. Like that feels like the right amount of return on the risk of Bo Nix. Let's see him go on the road and beat a playoff team. Just once. So you're gambling on Bo Nix. You get to feel like

Sean Payton. Because that's been the last two years of his life. He's like, oh, I'm Sean Payton right now. The Chargers losing all for definitely this week, maybe next week, and just how much pressure Herbert was under the last couple weeks, which they've talked about, you know, all the articles that can't happen anymore. We can't have him being hit

like that. But look, man, you only have so many hits before something bad happens with one of the hits. NFC North Atlanta's plus 290. This would be more of a Tampa Bay losing this week and continue to just have injuries kind of hedge. I thought that price is pretty good three to one. They're not playing this week.

But more a little hedge against Tampa and some stuff that's happening. I'm not doing it. I'm just flagging it. Yeah, I already have a preseason all. on Atlanta, just on the theory that, you know, Tampa wouldn't stay healthy the whole season. That was really it. In the preseason, I got it. You do a flyer on Atlanta, I feel like, every August.

I don't know. I mean, 9 and 8 could win that division yet. Yeah. Well, here's my favorite, NFC West, Seattle's plus 360s still. The odds and the respect for them has just not been there all year, wasn't there before the year. It's not there now. They're number one in DVOA has through four weeks. Yeah.

So this game this week, them hosting Tampa is speaking of referendum games. Let's see it. Let's like, you know, that's a good team. Even though Tampa is beat up, you know, they should hold serve at home. The line is fair. So if we see them handle their business against Tampa, if that defense is what we're. That's going to be too late. The plus 360, you got to basically gamble on them beating Tampa.

I understand. I'm just saying the gamble is them making a leap over the ramps. Right. So we got Rams Nighter. Somebody's losing that game today. So somebody's going to the three and two. And then the Cardinals who lost their second string running back and are now down their third string running back. And they're like 28th passing, you know, I think that feels like a possible crater.

I like that plus 360. I think Seattle's good. Some conference odds. Buffalo is still plus 180. KC's plus 460. Denver would be the long shot probably at 16 to 1. I think that's a pretty fair price of the talent. And then in the NFC, Philly plus 290, Detroit plus 440,

Green Bay plus 480, Seattle, 17 to 1. Is there any team you're interested in other than those seven from an odd standpoint? Kansas City at that price is remarkable to me. It feels like an auto play, must play, go do it. What's that going to be if and when they take care of business against Jacksonville this weekend? right and they got rice coming back week seven and i agree with you i the plus four 60 jumped out to me yeah i that could be plus two 20 by uh by monday morning right and then i still like the seattle 17 to one i'm not i'm not saying they're going to make the super bowl but i just think

those odds are pretty good the rams six to one i wanted to see a rams number that made me go Wow, and I think the people have already bet it. It's already priced in. And then just from a long shot standpoint, there's really nothing. And I think at this point, I don't think we're going to see anybody over the 17 to 1 range. You know, even the Jags, which is how the Jags, maybe throw, they're only 15 to 1 in the AFC. There's not even real value in that. And everybody else is too far.

Houston, 27-1, I wish I liked their team more. All right, let's, we're going to hit. We're a new Ringer 107, but as always, we do the, do the stayways. So last week we went three and two in Ringer 107. And I really feel like we had a good week. And the mistake was just not assuming something stupid it was going to happen in the Sunday night game. Green Bay, Dallas. Everyone was on Green Bay.

Everybody had them in teaser parley. The favorites had been winning nonstop for four weeks. And I don't have regrets. but I guess that was the mistake. I still don't know how they give up 40 points to Dallas without C.D. Lamb. The mistake was us gambling on Carson fucking Wentz. That was the mistake on the Sunday morning game. That's a mistake.

That's what we did. It was a mistake. And you brought it up. You said this is just for the record a 930 ET game that we're wagering on. We shouldn't do this. And I plowed ahead. So we're staying away this time. It's Browns Vikings, Browns plus three and a half.

I actually, if this was a normal game, I would probably want to bet the Browns because I think their defense could just win this. Minnesota's offense, the 32nd in sacks, 31st and QB hits that just suck in general. And then the Browns first and run fourth and pass first yards per play.

They're second in DVOA. Like it feels like the defense might win it by himself. I'm excited for Dylan Gabriel. I thought Flacco looked terrible. Here's why you don't bet Cleveland. A rookie QB in his first start. in a 9.30 overseas game. That is what I talked about when Fandole

sends you the automatic alert and you're trying to make the bet. And Fando's just like, hey, just so you know. And not only that, it's against a Brian, Brian Flores defense. It's like, it's also a defense that's going to blitz him half the time. Yeah. I mean, they are missing a couple linebackers. You could feel it last week with

no Van Ginkle. I think they're going to run. The Cleveland game plan, this, you know, it's an under. I think it's the lowest total on the board. It's like in the 34 and a half range or something. and this has all the makings of a 14 to 7 game or a 10 to 7 game. The under almost seems too easy. I don't think if it feels seems too easy, who's going to score?

I don't know. And what are the circumstances? Well, from Minnesota, Carson Wentz overseas with the banged-up offensive line in a depleted Minnesota Front 7 and 930 overseas game. That's also a fandal alert. Stay away. So we're staying away. Chargers, Washington, Chargers minus 2 and F at home.

I wrote Ratline in all caps. Oh, wow, okay. The Chargers, we were talking about as a Super Bowl contender a week ago, your team doesn't have McLaurin. It's got Daniels playing with a knee brace. Yeah. To me, just to stay away. I don't know how long Herbert can stay healthy, but interestingly, Washington is fifth

and DVOA and the Chargers are 10th, but what do you expect, Washington fan? I do think that Washington's defense is going to play better than they played against Atlanta on the road last week. Yeah. But the problem is it's too much uncertainty to try and make a wager on what the hell's going to happen here because, you know, Jane Daniels in a knee brace. The receiver room continues to be, you know, a mess. And, you know, the defense has to come up with an identity.

They have to be able to stop the run because that's how the charges are going to try and establish themselves. So it's a stay away. I'm rooting very hard. It's a good opportunity for Washington to go beat a good team on the road. So I do think the odds are decent. What do you think the Washington fan base in L.A. on Sunday? Oh, I think there's a big contingent.

We know a bunch of them. Yeah. I think that's another case. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that might be worth the half point. All right, we're staying away regardless. I don't know what to make of the chargers with both of these tackles out. I just don't want to bet on their offense.

Cowboys Jets, Cowboys minus two and a half at the Jets. This is the sell high, by low game of the week. Yes. Where Cowboys looking great. Oh, yeah, they can move the ball on anyone. And then the Jets just couldn't have looked worse. And I will stay away. I was leaning Jets for a second.

And then that stat that keeps popping up about how Fields is 0 and 25 when the other team scores 21 plus points. Dallas can score 21 plus points. So I if this was If Dallas was favored by three I'd be making a really passionate argument on the Jets Three and a half would be a real conversation

Right yes for sure The two and a half is not enough Dallas coming off of a Sunday night game where they played 70 minutes The 60 and then every every last second of the overtime Yeah

And and and Dax The splits for Dack outdoors versus indoors And blah blah blah blah blah Did you see that stat when that happens? The team's like, the underdog in the game is like 0 and 4 in the next week. Fields had a classic Monday night game where you're just completely out. You're like, this guy has no chance. This guy just cannot complete passes.

And then he has the 45-yard fourth and one awesome run. You're like, Fields! Oh! Maybe there's something here. I think that's just going to be his whole career. Then the other stayway is cards minus eight and a half at home against the Titans. I would make the case, Arizona should not be favored by eight and a half over anyone in the league. Even their schedule, which was easy so far, Saints won by seven, Panthers won by five,

lost to the Niners by one when the Niners were missing a bunch of guys, then lost the Seahawks by three last week. And now they're on their third string running back, so I don't think they can protect leads. And yet I'm never taking the Titans. That Titans, their streak against the spread, what is it? They're three and 18? Three and 18 since Tommy Boy Callahan has taken the helm there. So, you know, the only thing to do ever is to bet against the Titans on the line. But, I mean, no, we can't count it as the Cardinals by now.

Can we pay some respect to the three and 18, though? What's an incredible record? Where have we been? That's my question. Where the hell have we been? They're setting these odds so that they're conceivably will have action. it both ways. And they're 3 and 18. Here's the thing.

They're really 2 and 19 because they get credit for the fact that the line moved a full point from the summer into the actual beginning of the game in that first game of the season against Denver. So they're getting credit for covering a spread because Denver won by 8 or whatever it was rather than 8.5. But that line was 7 and 7.5

all summer long. That's how... What just happened? Did you swipe your nose? I did. Are you sick? I need a little hot water worth of lemon. That's, that's, I need a little. Don't knock it until you tried it. I could have used some, yeah. Maybe you're having some right now.

I was at Beth Page Black this weekend, and I'm a little hoarse from yelling all my FUs at Rory. You know, it didn't work. But here I am. You should have been sharing for Rory. They had all of our favorite golfers. I'm making a joke. I obviously bet heavily on the Eros.

Yeah, you were cheering for Rory and yelling your support to him and telling the fans to leave him alone. I was saying FU New Yorkers. My favorite was when you pretended you didn't bet on Europe. You were doing this bit on Ringer podcast. You were like, look, I wouldn't necessarily bet this

because I want us to win. That's not true. You repeatedly told me how many times you bet this. I said that I bet it. I just said that that doesn't make me any less of a patriot. it? Here is a new category called getting three free points, and yet it's still a stayaway. These games include The Saints, plus one and a half against the Giants. I don't know how they're

not favored. They're home. They actually can move the ball. The Giants don't have neighbors. I don't know what's good about the Giants. Aaron Schatz had a thing. The Giants have the worst run defense by DVOA through four games since 1979. They've allowed 6.1 yards per carry. And guess what the Saints like to do? Run the ball and get first downs. Taste of Hill, maybe back.

And yet I'm not going near the Saints. I'm not. I can't, as you know, I don't like betting a two terrible teams game. Well, that's what this is. The problem is it keeps bouncing back and forth. The Saints right now are minus one and a half. Did that move again?

Yes, it just keeps moving. So it's a definite stayaway. Anything where those one and a halfs flip, they've been losers so far this season. The Raiders was one, and the Ravens were the other one so far this season, where the ones and one and a halves are flipping across the line. I think there's a scenario where the Saints actually kill the Giants.

I don't disagree one bit. Maybe that's a bet. I don't disagree. All right, I just added up, pass. Yeah. The Saints to win by 13.5 is 5 to 1. Saints minus 13 out 5 to 1 Saints minus 19 and a half

10 to 1 No Can't do that They're just blowing out the Giants It's like a 30 to 6 No And Jackson Dart looks terrible Kind of game

I don't know I won't be putting any money In the normal spread Colts Raiders Colts minus 6 and a half Colts cornerback situation in shambles And it's a kitchen sink game

For the Raiders And they're getting three Yeah, they're getting three extra points. Well, I'm just saying that it says season's over if we lose this one game. So they're bringing out all the stops. You don't think the season's over? Well, I do think the season's over because I think the Raiders suck. You think it's already over?

It's already over. And I'm not, I'm not ready to just move past this game in terms of things we might consider for our card. Yeah, all right. God damn, I'll mark it. I wrote down on my notes, Gino, Smith, and Pete Carroll, the worst. reunion since De Niro and Puccino and Righteous Kill. Did you ever see Reeous Kill? It's really bad.

Not familiar with that one. It sucked because we get older, we forget stuff. I think it sucked me in three times on cable over the last 15 years. Like, Ah, De Niro and Pacino, I'll give it a chance. And it's just horrible. I feel like there's some worse reunions than that. We can come up. We can do better.

Oh, how about this? Watch righteous kill and then decide whether I'm right. All right. I'll mark that down because apparently you are intrigued from a parley standpoint. point I'm guessing. Panthers Dolphins, Panthers plus

one and a half was the move. This is the official Cooper Bowl, right? It is the pooper ball, yes, sir. Is this the worst game we can have without Tyreek Hill? Let's think.

What is the worst game? Well, Tennessee would have to be involved to have the worst game we can have. But yeah, you're right. No Tyreek, dolphins played Monday, Panthers coming off a blowout loss

and already the Bryce Young whispers are starting again. Watch out. Andy Dalton, just go Uber for the next few weeks. People are worried. Lions Bengals is the other one.

Lyons minus 10 and a half at Cincinnati. This is just way too high. I just automatically, if a home dog is getting more than 10 points in our picks poll, I'm just taking them. Yeah. It's at least three free SINSI points on paper.

They're coming off a horrible loss. And Detroit's having a cornerback crisis. They're just running out of cornerbacks completely. And yet I'm not taking Sinti. The, it's funny, they're two and two. It feels like they're minus one and five. Well, that's, I went, I go ahead. No, I was just saying that's because we've seen two and a half games with Jake Browning.

And it feels like, you know, that that's, that's days of our lives that we can't get back. I have all the team Reddit pages bookmarked. And I zoom through there on Thursday mornings as I have my coffee just to see what their fans are saying. Oh, no. By far, Sinci has the funniest Reddit page of all the team Reddit pages. Oh, congrats to Sinci. They had... They win something.

They had seven or eight different pictures of that photo of their offensive line blocking a three-man rush where the two guys are going around the tackles and four guys are blocking the guy in the middle and the two guys are going around the tackles and they're about sack the quarterback and it's just all these different jokes about it. they're talking about um you know boycotting the home game doing chance they're so fucking pissed that they that they had this burrow t higgins chase thing and then decided not to give them an offensive line which anybody who was watching from afar is like what are these guys doing um the cissy fans are mad and they have a cheap owner who doesn't really spend that much money that's the

thing that's the thing that they have every right to be mad about and the the constant mismanagement the institutional mismanagement of the franchise is appalling. It reminds me of what happened here in Washington, although we never had anybody as good as Joe Burrow for the 20-plus years that the devil was the owner. The devil? Wow. Strong takes from Joe House. All right, we're going to take a break,

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Seahawks. mentioned earlier, Seahawks first in DVOA. This is a Darnold versus Baker. Nobody can get revenge for the Carolina situation because they were both miserable game. Tampa's D is really banged up. Missing a bunch of D-backs. You look at their injury report,

just out questionable, questionable, didn't practice. This just seems like a bad spot for them. And again, that Seattle defense, six first to run, second yards per play, and hits and hurries. Tampa had some trouble blocking for Baker.

That Philly game was pretty fluky. They were way, way down. In Philly had the classic. They're wilting in the Tampa heat. Tampa coming. You just kind of knew what was happening as it was happening in Philly holds on for the win. I really liked the spot. I wish this was two and a half, but Seahawks minus three is one of my favorites.

We have to play it. It's an auto play on Seattle. The crazy thing is, have you ever seen a minus three at minus 124? Do you see how much you have to lay minus 124 on Fandle right now to get the minus three? But you know what? It's worth it. Bucky Irving, have we heard the MRI results yet? I mean, he's in a walking food.

He's another question, Bowen. He's been awesome. He's awesome. If they don't have him, that's the bridge too far. They don't have him. This should be like minus four and a half. And maybe it'll move in that direction. So we're very lucky to get the minus three.

I don't expect Bucky Irving to play. In fact, I've already benched him. And in our guillotine league, because I, you know, the deadline to create your roster is Wednesday night. And if you don't set it by Wednesday night, you're, you're fucked until, you know, until, anyway. Yeah. Okay. A lot of jokes about our guillotine league. Monday narrative alert.

Are the Seahawks genuinely good? Could the Seahawks make the Super Bowl? I just, I feel like this would be the game they're on the radar. No, no, no, no. I'm talking Monday. Not can they make the Super Bowl, but there will be. It's 1110 on Monday on ESPN. Somebody will say it.

There'll be respect. They'll be heightened respect for Seattle. All right. We're marking down the Seahawks. That's like that's what lock. Next one I marked down was Broncos plus four and a half at Philly. This line feels like it should be Philly by three. That would be.

fine. I would be totally fine if it was Philly by three. I know that we will continue to confer respect upon the Denver defense, except the Denver defense had a chance to close out the Chargers

in L.A. with four minutes left in the game and they let the Chargers drive twice and the Chargers scored a touchdown and a game-winning field goal. And I just cannot in good conscience endorse betting. on Bo Nix on the road.

Like, go have a tremendous game and prove it and, like, just jam it in my face. Jam it in my face, Bo Nix. Just take it, put it right in my face. Please don't cut this out as a video internet. No, please do, please do. I'm begging you to put it to stick it to me.

But I got to see it. I got to see it one time. One time from Bo Nix. I won't do it. I mean, Jalen Carter's banged up. Philly's out of rhythm. their offense is a disaster. Yeah, like there's all this stuff

that says that's a good number. You should play that number because it should be about a field goal. But fuck that. Denver's ninth in DVA, Philly's 12th. Philly's defense, 21st against the run. Denver's D first in sacks and hits and ninth against the pass.

If they're for real, it starts this week. I asked Shiaqapati, our colleague, host of Philly Special knows the Eagles inside and out I was like why isn't this line of Eagles minus two and after Eagles

minus three? He said 18 straight wins when Hertz starts and finishes a game feels like they can't be less than a 3.5 favorite at home unless they play the bills

their defense played awesome last week looked like last year could put nicks in a blender those are all great points it's our guy's Shiel have to agree with Shil Capadia there

I'm still marking I'm not going to put it in bold All right, all right. Texans Ravens in Baltimore, Texans minus one and a half. No Lamar, we're guessing. And if it is a Lamar, it'll be a compromise, not moving around that well, Lamar, which is not a Lamar I'm excited about. Defense decimated.

I mean, it's comical how bad it's been so far. The year from hell is now lingering. And Houston's one and three, I do like their defense. Yes. There's a guy in their team that I have on two of my fantasy teams, Woody Marks. Oh, wow. Congratulations to you. Back up running back.

I picked him up. He just played a couple of plays, and it was one of those immediate, like, whoa, who's that? Yes, yes. And they unleashed him a little bit last week, and I think he's a game changer for them. I agree with you. He makes dudes miss, and they went from having a running back situation that I absolutely hated to one that I feel pretty good about. I also think this could be a C.J. Stroud, like, C.J. Stroud and our guillotine league was on the waiver wire.

And I was like, I'm just out of principle picking him up. I have Jake Browning on my team. But if he was ever going to have a big week, this is the week. Texans minus one-and-f in Baltimore. What do you think? I really want to play the Texans. Okay. Like, if you look at the losses, they lost by five to the Rams on the road in their opener.

they had a baker last second pull it out of his butt in week two at home they had the game one they had the game one they had a baker at a four was it fourth and ten fourth and twelve right exactly right and they were driving to tie the game against the jaguars uh on the road at jacksonville cj did throw a bad pick uh in that game that clinched it for for the jaggs but they aren't far away they are they played three teams i think we'll look back and i think all three of the teams they lost to are playoff teams this year. Yeah. And then they went and handled their business against Tennessee.

I think you're right. The missing ingredient with that Houston offense has been running back with any kind of burst. And remember last year, when they had Mixon, it was a radically different offense. Like the splits between that offense with Joe Mixon versus without. So if Woody Marks is 75% of Joe. mix them. But really what we're betting on here is Cooper Rush and that Houston defense against Cooper Rush

and they basically just had a week off. That's one thing. And then how bad the Baltimore defense is. I mean, this I don't understand why this line isn't Houston by three. This is like a name only spread at this point. It might get there. As many guys as they are. It might get there. It's really crazy.

Sports Illustrated five hours ago. Woody Marks is quietly becoming NFL star thanks to touchdown search. Here we go. Starting to get some press. Here we go. We're right down to Texans. Patriots bills. Patriots plus eight and a half.

That was the line that we have to work with for Ringer 101.7. I'm just telling you, I think they can hang in this game. I've obviously watched every play of the Patriots. I think they're going to be able to move the ball in that Buffalo defense. And the backdoor cover is in play

even if the Buffalo is up by 14. But I think the Pats, I think they're pretty good. I know they beat Panthe Carolina last week and Carolina stinks. I get it. But they've been moving the ball multiple weeks. Like they moved the ball against Pittsburgh for the last three quarters of that game.

And I think Mays, I don't know, the Sunday night spot for them with Brable as the coach, kind of understanding what that means. This is a kitchen sink game. for them. I thought they were intentionally a little bit vanilla last week. There's some wrinkles in there. There's digs coming back to Buffalo. And I don't think Buffalo's looked that good this season. The most exciting game they had all year was beating Baltimore. And then, like, after week

four, do we feel that great about lighting up Baltimore? I thought the Saints were hanging around with them in a really disturbing way last week. So the eight and a half just seems high to me. I don't know what the right line would be, maybe seven, but eight and a half is a lot of points. and I think we should grab them. Yeah, I don't disagree. I'm not doing this because we're pals and because the Patriots are upstarts. You love to make fun of me when we take the bet. I have, you know, at the outset of the season,

we have a bet that Washington is going to end up with two more wins on the Patriots over the course of the season. So it's not like I'm heavily invested in the Patriots. This is just a bet. Like, you know who agrees with you that the Patriots can move the ball and score? Vegas. This is the highest total on the board at 49 and a half. and there were 50s out there over the course of the week.

It's just a point in a half too many points. And, you know, Buffalo can win by margin. We've seen it, but not against an offense like with the Patriots are able to bring to the table here. So I like the idea of, you know, the extra one and a half points. You know, that's the way I would handicap it. So I like, I like this. I do like the Patriots getting eight and a half. I don't think Buffalo has enough of a pass rush

to force May to make some of the mistakes he's made. I think they've intentionally not had him use his legs that much because they're saving it for games like this, not to compare him to Mahomes by any stretch, but those big games for the Chiefs when Mahomes actually uses his legs and has like the 10-11 rushes. I think May, those plays are in there and they haven't,

they've been intentionally holding him back. When he's moving around, he turns the corner as well as any quarterback of the kind of 25 and under generation. Like he flies around that corner and takes these hard angles and the pass rushers can't get him. There's a parlay here

where we could take the paths up to 11.5 on Fandole with the over of 37 and a half if you wanted to even get more points out of this. So I'm just flagging that one as well. That would be our little parlay thing. If we want to do that or we could just man up and take the pat straight up. And then the last one is Chiefs, Jags, in Jacksonville, Chiefs minus three.

DVOA, advanced metrics all around the same, except the Jags played the Panthers, the Bengals, the Texans, and the 49ers, and probably should have lost the Texans game or had a chance to. And you could also say they could have beaten the Bengals and they could be 4 and 0 right now. I think my case here is I think Jacksonville is the good bad team I think they're just going to beat the other bad teams I like this I don't think I think this step is a step too high for them playing out a Monday night at home with a big crowd and the chiefs really starting to figure out who they are

and with a little more speed and I just don't want to take Trevor Lawrence against Mahomes nor do I Chiefs, Chiefs minus three seems like a nice, nice fun one on Monday. Don't you think that gets to three and a half by Monday night? Probably. Yep, I'm comfortable with this. And it's already, it's minus 118 right now.

The three is. So I wouldn't be surprised to see it jump. All right. Well, we'll only have four bets here. So what is your, make your Colts case? It's really a Raiders case. We keep saying, you know, the game, the spot that the Raiders were supposed to show us that they were going to be competitive this year was at home against the fucking bears after

they went on the road and laid a giant egg against the charters on Monday night and then went to Washington and laid another egg. We said, oh, okay, well, let's let's let this is a get right spot for the Raiders. They're going to come home and, you know, they'll move the ball. They move the ball at will against that Bears defense. They ran the ball up and down. It was the first Ashton Genty good game. You know what else they did? They put the effing ball in the other hands teams five times when they were on their side, the other, the bear's side of the 50. Five times they did it. That is, who is that?

That's righteous kill. De Nairant Pacino. It's Gino and Pete Carroll. An unholy reunion. Worst reunions ever. If we, if we think this Colts thing is legit at all, why are we afraid of the idea? Gino has thrown into, and I haven't had a chance to sit down and do any of, like, the real deep PFF, you know, but deeper than turnover worthy, like, you know, where you go into the windows that he's throwing into, but it's as though he doesn't see defenders. He's not colorblind.

He's linebacker blind because he keeps seeing things that aren't there. Can I give you the Bill Simmons DBOA for Gino? Let's hear it. Sucky, sucky. not just the seven interceptions, but Salem passes. I thought that Monday night game against the Chargers, the Chargers were dying

to let them back in that game. Remember? And he was just missing wide open guys. He really just looks like he's not himself. I mean, so are you thinking Parlay for this potentially? I don't know. We came up with four bets thus far

that don't have anything exotic about them, right? They're all sides that we like. Right. So would you go over with this? What about a money line parlay of... With the over? Well, I don't know. Oh, we have to do.

We can't moneyline parlay with another team? No. Okay. Oh, no, we could. We definitely could. Wow, what team are you thinking? Well, it would be the Rams, but my favorite play of the week. I have so much money.

The Rams is happening four hours from now. We can't do that. It'll be hilarious when people hear this and, you know, somehow San Francisco beat the Rams. because that is by far my favorite bet on the board. I can promise you that's not going to happen. What about what's what's a number for alternate total points that would get your attention? Alternate total points.

Like you're 41.5. Like an over for that? See, my problem is I don't want to. 42 and a half. I don't want to mess with that. 43 points. See, I don't want to mess with the total because what if the rate of, only score 14 points.

With the Colts cornerback situation, the Colts had a guy who played, I think most of the game, Xavier and Howard last week, he retired. He deserved to retire. They had a starting quarterback retired. And guess what?

That's a bleak situation. He made the right call. It was a good decision by him. The only reason I noticed him was he was the guy running after the guy who was wide open four times a game in the Colts game. So I think it was a good move. Here's what I'm going to propose.

Let me see if it works out. By the way, this game's in Indianapolis. I know. I'm aware. Like the Raiders are going to go on the road. This feels fair to me. I know, but this is,

I said this to Sal on Sunday night, though. This is the fear with the Raiders. Yeah. Is Gino isn't really comfortable until he's a big dog ready to mess up some teases and parlies for people. That's when he feels the most comfortable. He doesn't want to be a favorite. Well, that's why I'm suggesting all we do is play the Colts on the Money Line.

Let me see if I can get you to agree to the Colts and the Eagles together. That's minus 107. That's a Money Line parlay. It's square. I'm acknowledging that it's square, but I'll take it. I already told Bownecks to stick it in my face. And then it would be Gino going on the road and beating Daniel Jones, which sounds hilarious, except he's been really good.

Colts, Eagles, minus 107? Yeah. We don't have to do it. And I don't, I don't. Well, you, listen, we do Ringer 107. I get two picks. We share two picks and then you get your own pick. You could just make this your own pick.

Okay, this is my pick. I'm willing to live with it. I'll take all the ridicule. I'm willing to live with it. I'm sure that it's square. Okay. I don't care. I don't care.

Let Bo Nick's go beat the Eagles. Let, let Bo Nick. go beat the Eagles and let Gino go into Indianapolis and beat Indiana Jones. All right. Today's Ringer 107 is brought to you by our friends at Fandul who also sponsors our Ringer Sunday pregame show. Yeah.

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You, Sal, DeBundo, JJ, Rahim, the whole crew's there. A lot of great pets. And they'll be talking Ringer 107 on there. We're 8 and 12 for the season. Had some bad luck. I only feel really shitty about two of those picks. And I feel like we got hosed on a couple. I'm fine.

I'm not panicking. I'm not nervous. I think we have a good feel for the slate. Ringer 107, first one, Seahawks minus three at home against the banged-up bucks. House and I are both a little more bullish on the Seahawks that maybe the lines are reflecting, still plus 360 to win their division.

And I don't know. I like this team. I think this line probably moves up, right house to three and a half maybe by Sunday. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. It's already if the juice is there. We're grabbing at three and if Baker Mayfield beats us, Godspeed.

It's happened before. I tip my hat to that man. He's a legend. Texans at Baltimore, Texans minus one and a half. and this is a bet against Cooper Rush and it's a bet against if Cooper Rush doesn't play

because banged up Lamar is playing it's a bet against banged up Camer uses legs Lamar and it's a bet against a Baltimore defense that has been absolutely annihilated and has given up 133 points this feels like a get right spot for the Texans

and you love their defense I do and I think there's plenty to support loving their defense did that guy get suspended that they have who does a cheap shot every Al-Shayr? I don't think so.

He didn't get suspended for that, right? I don't think so, but he does get suspended every year, so it's only a matter of time. Yeah, I hope he won't get suspended in this game. All right. Chiefs minus three on Monday night against the Jaguars. I made the case to you that I thought the Jags were the good bad team and you liked it. We're rolling with Mahomey. This is easy.

This is not, we're not going to, you know. By the way, I said Josh Allen was the best QB in the league. Mahomes could take it back in three weeks. Who knows? That's what it does. Plus 650. for MVP. That's a good price. Patriots plus

eight and a half in Buffalo on a Sunday night in the biggest game of Drake May's career by far. The first big Mike Vrabble Patriots game, a Patriots team that I feel like has been keeping stuff in their back pocket for this game in the last couple weeks.

And a Buffalo team that just just has not looked that inspiring and the Saints were moving the ball in them. They have a lot of injuries on defense. you can run the ball on them. On the flip side, they're going to score. For the paths to hang with this eight and a half, they're going to have to put up points.

They're going to have to maybe even get a backdoor cover. But I think they can hang around, hang around, hang around, hang around. I also love the over in this game. I just think there's going to be a lot of points. This to me feels like a 33 to 27, 36 to 30, like in that range. You agree with that? Oh, that's fine. Yes, that's all fine.

Those are all winners for us. all right so i had two of those picks we shared two of them and then the house got his own pick because that's how we do it in ringer 107 and you like the indianapolis money line at home against the uh the flailing the failing los vegas raiders parlayed with the eagles money line against denver i actually like denver plus four and a half you shiocopata made the case they don't lose when jalen hurts starts and finishes games they've won 18 straight defense Vince looked a lot better last week until the heat kind of did them in. Colts Eagles, Moneyline Parlay, minus 107, make the case.

Yeah, I just, this is a last opportunity to go against Gino, it feels like. We're not going to get lines of less than a touchdown. Where's he going? When they play good teams. I don't know to the eye doctor because he's, he's linebacker blind. Maybe that's what is. It's like when my eyesight changed when I turned 44 and my, my eyesight got better. my contacts, I thought I had like a brain tumor and it was just my contacts were too strong.

Maybe Gino needs to get his eyesight checked. Yes. And the Eagles portion of this is just show me, Boenix. Show me one time. Well, you were a lot more explicit before. Today's Ringer 107 was brought to you by Fandle odds subject to change. Have you done any NBA homework? I haven't really started yet.

I know it's coming. It's October. Today's October the second. Coming faster than you realize. We're like two and a half weeks away. You're right. I'll be ready. Don't worry. We had Golden State signed Kaminga. I have to tell you.

Horford thing. I did bet the Celtics are like 42 and a half or 43 and a half. I thought they were 41. Whatever it is, I bet the over. I bet it last week. I'm just telling you right now, you're going to be happy. I think that's a crazy number for the East. Like all of a sudden, all of these trash teams in the East are going to win 45

to low 50 games, get out of here. The Celtics are going to be a 500 team. They're going to be better than that just because they get to play in the East. They're 41 and a half right now in Fandoah. I'm telling you, I bet it. That's the only NBA bet that I can think of off the top of my head right now. I've been making the case that just the system they have and all the threes they're going to shoot and how fast they're going to play.

There was only one thing from the Tatum injury. that I'm not even using the word of positive. I'm just saying that will change their style in a potentially positive way. Is Tatum, as you know, he used to drive me crazy, would walk the ball up, walk the ball up,

start the shot clock late. They're going to fucking run a gun now. Like they're going to push the pace, shoot threes, runoff, made baskets. They're going to shoot 55-3s a game. And I think they're going to be weird to play. I think teams are going to be like, oh, shit.

Now, we have to play this track meet team. And then they'll change the style when Tatum comes back if he comes back this year. I was all ready. I don't want to do the overrunners because we're in that couple of weeks. But I just wanted to mention the Hawks is up to over 47 and a half. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's just crazy. Okay?

Like, I love the Hawks. 47 and a half. We've been enthusiastic about the Hawks, but respectfully, get the fuck out of here. Like, it's like... $34, it's like a real record. Yeah, that's for a real team. Like, we like what they did in the off season, but holy cow. What did you think of Michael Pino making the case that Wembe at 12 to 1 for MVP has to at least be,

or not make the case, but brought it up? I mean, fine. That the Wembe, the Wembe Kaiser Soze season could be... I'm going to put 50 bucks on it. Every year that he's, I bet him to win the MVP last year at some Christmas. easy number. I'm going to bet Wemby to win the MVP every year that he's in the league. It's like a layway plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I don't mind that. It's fine. My favorite, so I'm trying to, like, the preseason, like reading

all the stories, I can't get enough for the Philly coverage. We had actually a good piece on the ringer this week about them. This Mori now doing the, we wanted to have more youth on the team and blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh, yeah, that's what you have Joe Mee and Paul George. all like the all like the spin um but that is i think i've i've used this analogy a couple times i think that is the ceiling for most floors between the ceiling and the floor team okay you could tell me 20 wins you could tell me like 52 oh guess what i tried 50 last year and i'm not going to tell you what hole it went into on my orifices but it still hurts still hurts. I'm still having

recovered. They're 42 and a half sure. Whatever. Anyone who bets that just has a gambling problem. That's right. Just flat out, I have an issue. That's like when Sal's betting

on like the Singapore open when there's no football. Or whatever this like, you know, German league soccer. I think he's going to say that sometimes. Tennis. He definitely 100% does that sometimes. You're wizards, by the way,

21 and a half for the over under. I kind of like the over. It's right at the number. Like 22, okay. 21, okay. Like, that's a friend. Both of those are fair numbers. I don't know.

They're just going to have to keep trading veterans that might, might even show any sign of helping them or not. Well, you know what? You missed this, by the way. You and Zach missed this. The obvious answer for Houston is C.J. McCollum. He's sitting right there.

He's extremely available. And he would go there. and immediately, I might even argue that he is, he's at least an equal to Fred Van Vleet. I don't know if he's an upgrade, but he's at least treading water

competency-wise, you know, offensive acumen wise, leadership-wise. C.J. McCollum and K.D., that's pretty fucking good. Didn't they beef once about C.J. Didn't he,

They had a podcast like seven years ago and he talked about how they could have beaten the title and Kevin Durant was like, you mean over the Warriors? Like, do you remember that moment? There's something funny that happened with them. You're right. Wait, so C.J. McCollum,

who's on the Washington Wizard somehow. I can't believe you have him on your team. That's so weird. For at least five minutes, he's on our team. So you're saying Van Bleepeat makes 24 million year and C.J. makes 30. That's tough to trade Van Bainbleed. like the leader of the team though. I guess he's out for he's out for the year. He's not going to

play. They need players. They're trying to win. Like they're in the top five of winning the NBA title. They're in the top three of winning the Western Conference. Without Van Fleet. They trade him there in like January and then like Washington waves him maybe. Maybe he's got one of those deals where he can. I don't know. Whatever it takes. Clear option for a year or two. Anything is possible in the NBA. Just ask why. What's cold? that's cold to just the guy trades his ACL and it's like hey bad news we've traded you to Washington you'll finish your rehab there I mean what do you think I mean how do you how about Isaiah Thomas do you think Isaiah Thomas with the Celtics did the head

cold I didn't feel good about the Isaiah Thomas thing any other storylines are any other NBA storylines are excited about I'm a little bit I want to I want to pour some some settled down juice on the gold state warrior situation Oh, which part? Well, the news this week that they took care of Kaminga and they got the Alhor for deal done. And now they really excited. They're looking. They think they're in that upper echelon.

They think that they're among the, they think that if they had that team that went 24 and 7 down the stretch, you know, that's the identity. Okay. All right. Let's see. But we'll, I'm, count me mildly skeptical. 45 and a half over for them. Perfect number. 45 and a half is a perfect number for them.

I think my favorite so far, I don't want to step on the pod. Charlotte 26.5 I've been staring at. Which way are you going to play it? Over. Wow. Let me hear why.

I think they're going to be really fun for the first two months of the season. I don't know. I like the guys in their team. Remember last year we really liked Brooklyn? before the year as a like, ah, that team's not bad. Like, they have professional basketball players.

And then we were right. And then they immediately and frantically had to trade a lot of those guys to get them off the team. They hit their over. We did. They did hit their over. I think Charlotte, first of all, they're not going to, they're going to be too competent to potentially try.

They don't have anyone to train. They have young guys. This is Kineppel. This is you, you, your boy, this is, I understand what's going on here. This is Brandon Miller, year three coming back. All right. This is Miles Bridges. This is Grant Williams and eventually come back.

This is Lamello trying to play 60 games. I don't know. I think they have some talent. The East, they do have talent. Because the difference with Denver's your team is you're going to be trying to get rid of guys that can help you. Charlotte can't really, Charlotte can't do that. And I don't even think they'd mind if they were good. Who's their starting center?

I can't pull it off. They trade it at every center. They try to hit all their centers. Listen, that's where it becomes an issue. I'll give you, I'll give you their, I'll give you their team. Hold on. It's, it's looking like it might be a Plumley. Sure.

That's phenomenal. God bless them. Okay. There's a Plumley involved. Liam McNeillies on this team. Congratulations to him. Spencer Dinwiddie is on this team. Kyle Kuzma's favorite, Din Shitty.

One of the Martin Twins is on here, Josh Green. I wish me the best of luck. If you want me to trade for a center. At 27, I'll bet. Okay, I don't mind the 27. Well, here's the thing. This is why I bring it up. I think one of these East teams will be just because there's so many bad East teams.

One of these teams will be like, all right, fine, we'll be the one that wins. 32 games. It goes 32 and 50. I would say they're a candidate. Is there any information out there about whether or not Malik Beasley is going to be allowed to play basketball in the NBA this coming season? Not a lot. Not a lot of information. And Detroit can't recite them.

They don't have the cap room anymore? I think they can resign them. And they do have the cap room. Oh, okay. Well, that this is. It's weird. They close the investigation and then the investigation doesn't seem like it's totally over.

Because the NBA is conducting its own investigation after the district attorney's office cleared him. So I'm excited to hear what the NBA comes up with that the district attorney's office didn't find. I think the NBA is way more interested in figuring out this Clippers thing so it doesn't linger around the next four months of the season and affect the All-Star game and all that shit. How did you feel about Nikola Yovic signing a four-year rookie

extension with the heat for $62.4 million. Do you think that would be in our worst contracts draft with Big Waz in early March? I mean, it's an amazing job by him and his agent. The heat, what are we going to do with the heat? I don't have an opinion on Yovic. I mean, what does it? Can I give you some Yovic stats? He's played 107 of a possible 246 games.

I mean, how can you have an opinion on him? Go ahead. He averaged a career high 10.7 points last year. I just thought, I just thought when we, now that we're into the second apron era, I thought teams would start to be way more careful about these guys that aren't impact guys. Even the Kaminga thing, I don't feel great about for the Warriors. That's a just, that's a placeholder. That's the, that's the, that's the trade.

That's the perfect trade contract. Who's trading for that? What team, would you want your team to trade for Kaminga for? My team's not competitive. They have to pay him again? There will be a competitive team out there that sees, they have to do the audition that they've, to date,

There's only one team dumb enough, and they are also in California. And they play in the state capital of Sacramento. Oh, wow. It's the only team dumb enough to talk themselves into 120 million for four years for Cominga. What makes sense to me, and I'm not kidding, is the Clippers.

I think the Clippers, Cummiga could work for the clippers. I really do think that with what they have, and they have parts... After Kauai's ban from the NBA? Whatever happens ultimately with Kauai. The heat are interesting at 37 and a half. They feel like they have a move.

That's a place that's a place that Kamiga can land. Well, this is, don't they have, but they don't have their pick this year. That's the other thing is these picks are so complicated with who has whose pick you know like San Antonio has they can swap with Atlanta but now Atlanta's good

so this that pick that they had that they thought was going to be awesome they don't have it we said we weren't going to do it we're too far down the rabbit hole we're talking about pick swaps between the spurs and the hawks we should stop

the quippers the quippers we should stop the quippers could either send their first to Philly or okay C they don't get to keep it but they're going to be good i don't know there's a million things you're right we should

stop um house i hope we do well in ringer 107 you me both i'm knocking on and i hope the rams in the future and i hope the red sox win tonight against my most hated team the new york yankees respectfully i am rooting for the red socks because i can't under any circumstances root for the yankees ever thanks house yeah my pleasure good job by you as always thank you All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Henshin House. Thanks to Eduardo and Gahau as well. Don't forget new prestige TV podcast coming this weekend on Sunday.

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