The Bill Simmons Podcast - OKC-GSW Game 6, 2016: A Special Sports Rewatchables With Chris Ryan and Joe House | The Bill Simmons Podcast

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

HBO and The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Joe House to revisit Game 6 of the 2016 Western Conference finals (also known as "The Klay Game"), complete with the most rewatchable sequences, what-ifs, half-assed internet research, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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he's written columns two straight weeks I didn't want to upset the epicur but coming up me, Chris Ryan, Joe House breaking down what I think is the greatest what if game of this decade Golden State, Oklahoma City, Game 6

2016 it is known as the Clay Thompson game what-if game of this decade. Golden State, Oklahoma City, game six, 2016. It is known as the Clay Thompson game, but we all rewatched this and we had many more thoughts than that. Create a little gimmick for it, some categories. It's a work in progress. If you like the categories, if you think of any categories that we could do,

because I want to do a few more of these basketball games. So if you have any ideas for categories, email us at themailbag at the ringer.com. Anyway, here we go. The sports rewatchables, but first. All right, this is a special edition of the Sports Rewatchables. It's the first one we've ever done.

Created a format for it. I have no idea if it's going to work. We've picked Oklahoma City Golden State Game 6, 2016. One of the most influential NBA games in recent modern history. More commonly known as the Klay Thompson game, right? Yeah. I think so. I was surprised re-watching it that it's more than the Klay Thompson game.

There's a lot going on. To set the scene, 73-win Warriors. Curry had a little knee injury. Came back. But now in the conference finals, he was relatively healthy. Durant and Westbrook, their last run together. OKC takes a 3-1 lead. They lose in game five.

Durant has 40, but they can't get really there. They couldn't quite get over the hump. We'll talk about that in a second. Goes back to OKC. This is it. Here we go. Durant and Russ about to take get over the hump. We'll talk about that in a second. Goes back to OKC. This is it. Here we go. Durant and Russ about to take control of the West. What jumped out as you rewatched this game?

Well, I got to be completely honest. It's the first time I've seen this game in some ways. So I was actually at a wedding this night. And it was right before we launched The Ringer. And I watched it on Twitter and on ESPN on mobile at Amanda Dobbins' wedding in upstate New York. Oh, wow. During the NBA playoffs?

Yeah, man. That's a violation. I know. That's a violation. But I obviously eventually had pieced it together and then got to watch the whole thing start to finish for this. And the first thing that jumps out is just how it just seems like it's a completely different universe, even though it's only three years ago.

Yeah. Even the basketball seems a little different. That's what I was going to say, is like the spacing is a little worse. Even the aesthetics of the game are a little bit different than they are now. But you also just get a sense of like these guys all on the cusp of a huge change.

You know what I mean? And it's kind of hard to choose in this game. I was probably pulling for the Thunder here, but it's like's kind of hard to choose in this game i was probably pulling for the thunder here but it's like kind of watching your two kids like there wasn't like a villain in this series it was actually these two like effervescent homegrown teams pretty much really going at it at like the top of their athletic ability and their passion for the fan base so that's what i like the observation about the athletic ability, what I was reminded of watching, what really struck me,

the two guys that leapt off the screen at me, Draymond Green, his speed. Younger Draymond. The younger Draymond, his speed, his ability to initiate offense. Rip the ball out of the net and go flying right up the court. Exactly, exactly.

And by the way, he'd been in a huge slump in that series. But yeah, his... I mean, I think the thing that jumped out to me just not having seen that game in a while besides all the obvious stuff we're going to talk about, just how big OKC was.

Abaka, Adams, Westbrook, and Durant. And what a bad matchup that was for Golden State where they're throwing Abaka, Adams, and Durant together for long stretches of time, and then bringing Enes Kanter in. And then even Roberson playing freaking two-guard. And then Westbrook has a six-foot-three point guard. And it was the worst possible matchup for Golden State

in every conceivable way. And Westbrook's out there playing like Brian Dawkins. You don't see it in the play-by-play, like the written-out play-by-play that they have. possible matchup for Golden State in every conceivable way. And Westbrook's out there playing like Brian Dawkins. I mean, you don't see it in the play-by-play, like the written-out play-by-play that they have, but so many of these sequences

maybe don't end with, but include Curry colliding into three guys who are like a foot taller than him. Who are all standing with their arms like this.

And him, like, hitting the deck. You know, a lot of, that was what really I loved about this was it was closeout basketball. No team wanted to give an inch.

So you just see a lot of guys hitting the deck in this game. There was that one clip they showed. Curry's going in and Durant basically blocks him like this. And they show a replay of the camera over the basket looking down on it. And he's going up. And Durant looks like he's Bill Russell. Plastic man. He's way up and just comes right down on it and he's going up and Durant looks like he's Bill Russell across like you know plastic man he's way up and just comes right down on it's like wow these guys are about to become teammates that which is the sitting here in the last couple days watching it you're like oh my god these are these are about to be yeah the shadow of this is that Durant's

going to be with these guys yeah in a couple a couple weeks. And now that you're watching the context of, you know that they've had all these texts and Draymond's recruiting them. And there's Harrison Barnes who made a couple of big threes in that game, by the way. But they're recruiting Durant to come. I really wonder, Durant is atrocious in this game, which we'll dive into.

But I really wonder if that affected him mentally in some way because this is the worst game. I was shocked by how bad he was in this game, which we'll dive into. But I really wonder if that affected him mentally in some way because this is the worst game. I was shocked by how bad he was in this game. He has one burst where I think he scores 10 points pretty much in a row. And he looks like, oh, he's going to do it. You know, I mean, we're going to break this down from so many different angles.

You can see in a weird way, like, just they're banging their head against the ceiling of what you can do with Durant and Westbrook on the floor at the same time because there's just no offense to speak of, which was always the problem, whether it was Brooks or Donovan coaching the Thunder. And on the other hand, this is really like

the amount of cutting and crazy off-the-ball stuff they're doing on the Warriors and Draymond being the point forward at the top of the key and just like hitting all these guys off back screens. And it's kind of like Princeton-y. It's just so beautiful to watch the Warriors play at this point. Yeah.

The interesting thing to me is we've just observed the sort of glaring weakness of Oklahoma City. And I wondered before sitting down, I worried about confirmation bias. Like, am I going to watch this and have these biases that are mature biases for me now against Billy Donovan, against Oklahoma City,

against Westbrook, the combination of Westbrook and KD? I know so much about that. Am I going to watch this game and not be able to take a step back? And instead of confirmation bias, I just got confirmation. I mean, it really, like, they're standing around. And by the way, KD sucked, and they had all that stand-around offense,

and they were up seven points with five minutes and 20 seconds left. Oklahoma City had that game won through three and a half, three and three quarters, quarters. We're going through all of it. Let's set a little big picture context. Heading into this series, Gold State was 81-11 and had a real chance to go, I don't know, 89-13 or 89-12 or maybe even 89-11. The Bulls were 87-13.

So they only played 100 games in a season where they won the title and they won 87-11. The Bulls were 87-13. So they only played 100 games in a season where they won the title and they won 87 of them, which is amazing. We didn't see this OKC thing totally coming in the moment. OKC, 55-27 that year. Billy Donovan's first year. The Durant thing was kind of hanging over.

It did kind of start to feel like the wire season three in a lot of ways. I remember making a lot of jokes about it of how long can Stringer and Avon really hold this together? And then San Antonio, which was 67-15 that year, which I forgot. They won 67 games.

It's tied 2-2. Parker gets hurt in the playoffs that year? I think Parker got hurt. It was tied 2-2. And then OKC blew him out. Yeah. We couldn't believe it. They didn't just blow him out. I couldn't believe it.

They figured them out. They figured them out. It was kind of like one of those series. And this is actually one of the coolest things. Playoff series can go on too long. And I kind of wish there was a more efficient way of determining basketball playoffs sometimes. But the moment where you can see there's just no solve for a Baca, like being on the floor in that Spurs series,

you're just like, ah, crap. And I was texting with our buddy, Tyler Parker, who's from Oklahoma, and he was like, Cantor destroyed the Spurs in that series. Like, they just didn't have answers for Oklahoma's personnel. So goes in, but we said Golden State's still heavily favored. Goes in, OKC wins Golden State still heavily favored. Goes in, OKC wins three

of the first four. They won the first game by six in Golden State. KD and Russ were only 17 for 51, which was a bad sign in retrospect,

but 32 to 17 free throw advantage. Game two, Golden State blows them out. They win by 27. Game three in Oklahoma City, OKC wins 133 to 105. 63 points for KD and Russ Russ 52 to 38 rebound advantage game for OKC wins by

22. Russ put up the 36, 11, 11. They out rebounded by 16 again, shot 43 throws Draymond. And those two games was two for 16 minus 73 plus minus. That can't be real.

How is that real? Are there 73? Yeah, 48 plus 48 is 92. So we came out of those games and people were just like, OKC is too big for them. Yeah. They figured it out. They're just too much length.

This isn't going to happen. I went to game five. And I really thought OKC was going to win. And watching the game, I think OKC thought they were going to win. They were locked in. I remember watching Durant, how he was leading the team.

Durant had 40, missed some shots. But Russ didn't have a good game. KD and Russ, 23 for 59 together. Curry and Clay had 58 points. Bogut with the 15-14. So they intentionally went bigger. Draymond got going a little bit. But I think the feeling was

OKC is going to win game six. And this is the most amazing thing ever. Golden State's going to win 73 games and not make the finals. And lose in the conference finals. Holy fucking shit. How healthy is Curry? So we go into this game.

And I got to be honest, watching every minute of this again, OKC gags. This is a gag job by them. This is a first class Heimlich that really should be mentioned when we talk about some of the great chokes we've had

in NBA playoff history. This is up there for me. The only counterpoint you have to this is they're facing the two greatest shooters in the history of the league. And that lead, there is no lead that is safe. Like in my mind, I almost felt like going like, oh, they must have been up like 15

or 20 at some point, right? Like that lead is not safe with Steph and Klay. How many times have we seen them? They never got it higher than 13. First quarter, we have categories, a whole got it higher than 13. First quarter, we have categories, a whole bunch of stuff coming up. First quarter, they're up 23-20 after the first quarter.

Durant was 2-7 in the first four minutes. 2-9 in the first quarter. The Warriors were 8-24 shooting. Steph was 0-3 with two turnovers. Their crowd is going bonkers ape shit. DEFCON 1, loudest ever.

And they're only up three. Durant's mom and brother in the front row. Oh my gosh. Flipping out. Like they're standing the entire game. This is their coronation game. And they're only up three. Everything has gone wrong for Golden State.

That's red flag number one. Second quarter, they take 29 and 20 lead timeout warriors. And there is this feeling, and I remember in the moment, then rewatching it, there's this feeling for about five minutes there that the game is about to become OKC by 20. There's this couple spots. So you have 29, 20 timeout warriors. 33, 21, OKC gets a stop, come down, waiters in the corner, wide open, air ball. If he makes that, they're up 15, the crowd's going completely bonkers. Golden State had to miss 16 of 19 at that point on a streak.

And then the other big one, 41-28, 4.30 left. Adams has this monster dunk over Draymond, which was the iconic dunk from this game. KD makes two straight. Klay and Curry have seven points total at this point. 430 left. And it's like, I really feel like one more three in this game's probably over.

And instead, here's what happens. Klay hits three threes over the next two minutes and sucks them back. And by the time we get to halftime, it's 53 to 45. Barnes gets a three-point play right at the end

of the first half. And it's 53-48 at halftime. And you watch it, you're like, how is OKC not up by 20? What is happening here? And that's the thing about the Splash Brothers teams

is that you can watch them and they can kind of be crapping around for a little while and then it just takes two or three possessions and you're like, oh, this was Clay. The other thing about that particular version of

Golden State was their capacity to I don't know what the right way to describe it is. All of a sudden they would play defense with a different they would throw a defensive scheme. They would have a defensive switch that had the now the two games that they lost they got blown out by in oklahoma city both of those the tipping point was like right around 15 points yeah and for whatever reason golden state uh and i don't know what you know might

have been behind the scenes there it will it was had the feeling of give up when we got to that 15-point level. But this time, back to the well, didn't give up. So it goes to halftime. Golden State has 10 turnovers. They're being outscored 30-14 in the paint. They're 9-for-21 from three, and that's what's keeping them in. Now at halftime, Barkley eviscerates KD. Yeah.

Choke shot. That's right. Choke shot. Says he played awful. He's doing hero ball. He's not moving the ball. He's not trusting others. KD was six for 19

in the first half. And it was such a hit job they asked Billy Donovan about it at halftime. Yeah. Before third quarter starts, I think Aldridge is like, I asked Billy Donovan

about what Charles Barkley said. Like that's nuts. I got to say, it is the worst I've what Charles Barkley said. That's nuts. I gotta say, it is the worst I've ever seen KD play. He's just forcing stuff with double teams, and he just seems completely discombobulated and not like himself. Currently in two field goals in the first half, both threes.

Goes to the third quarter. Clay hits the first two threes of the first minute. And then by midway through the third quarter, it's 59-57. Golden State's leading. And it's starting to feel like, oh, man, OKC missed their window. Golden State basically doesn't score except for Curry for the last six and a half minutes. Curry scores 14 in the 30s, 11 straight.

He's the only warrior who scores in the last 630. And OKC, Durant starts to get going. It's starting to feel like they're going to pull away again. It's 89-81 now, fourth quarter, nine minutes left. OKC's up. OKC's up. 89-81. Yet again, Klay Thompson hits the first of three straight threes.

That's the one from like five feet beyond the top of the key, right? No, no, that we haven't gotten there yet. He hits three threes. The third one, it's almost like he's not looking and they come out of commercial and Marv Albert says, this is one of the most incredible three point shots I've ever seen. He wasn't looking at the basket. Like even Marv Albert has seen everything. Because it was the single motion.

He caught the ball. This was actually, I hate to do this. I'm sorry to all the podcast listeners. This is a play that you and I used to run in college. Yeah, we did. I would come off the elbow. Yeah.

And you would know, and I would be catching and shooting in one motion. His shooting motion is almost like a move from outside. It's a catch and shoot motion. Yeah, it's like he's redirecting the ball. He's gathering. Yeah. It's all in one, and he knows he's turning, and he motion. Yeah, it's like he's redirecting the ball. He's gathering. Yeah. It's all in one. And he knows he's turning.

And he knows where the basket is. So 91-84, seven minutes left. A little back and forth. 93-87 with 548 left. Adams gets fouled, makes the first one. Now it's 94-87. At that point, they have an 88% win expectancy. I don't really like win expectancy.

Yeah, 2016 wasn't a great year for win expectancy. Draymond has five fouls. We have seen them try it out at this point. Azili, Veragiao, Bogut, Spates. It's just a murder zone. Pooh-pooh platter, we're getting into it. And at that point, you yet again think, okay he's gonna win but clay's kind of you know nearing the playoff record like what more does this guy have in him and then all hell breaks

loose for the thunder everything goes around clay driving layup katie makes a make clay makes the iconic 30 footer which we're going to talk about 97 97-93. Curry hits a three. 97-96. OKC has a great defensive sequence. Batting Gudala three. Now they have the ball. Up one. OKC three minutes left. They fuck it up. Huge KD turnover.

Leads to a Curry three. Curry six for 13. 20 points in the second half at this point. 99 all. 247 left. And then it goes back and forth, and Golden State ends up pulling it out. And the crowd is slowly dying as it's happening. The biggest play of this whole thing was Iggy strips Russ. Then it comes down, hits Clay in the transition three in front of the bet,

which was another one of those catch and shoots. All of a sudden, Golden State's up three. KD misses a three. Curry misses a layup. Russ loses the ball. Klay misses a three. KD loses it again. Curry hits the dagger banker in traffic, up five, game over.

Last six minutes of the game, Klay and Curry had 18 points in four threes. Jesus. KD and Russ were a combined one for six with six turnovers in the last six minutes of the game. Clay and Curry had 18 points and four threes. Jesus. KD and Russ were a combined one for six with six turnovers in the last six minutes of the game. Clay Thompson started out two for 10, finished 41 points, 14 for 31,

11 for 18, three-point field goals. 26 in the second half, 19 in the fourth. Curry was a 31, 10 and nine, six for 14 from 3. KD and Russ, want to guess total combined field goals? It was something like, I bet like 20-20 for 55 or something like that. 20 for 58.

Yeah. Right. 1 for 13 from 3. OKC, 3 for 23. From 3. 3-point land. Yeah. And that's why they lost.

And that's also the story of basketball going forward. That's true. and the craziest thing is, they still almost won. They had the lead with three minutes left, and their top two guys are playing like dog shit, and Klay Thompson is setting a playoff record for threes, and they still almost won.

But the thing is, is that by the end of that game, they were not getting their drives. Those guys had both played 40 plus. Yeah, they were. They were not getting to the hoop anymore and they couldn't shoot from outside and mid-range jumpers are nothing.

You cannot bring mid-range jumpers to a knife fight with Klay and Steph. It's the single biggest indictment of that team and its coach and its leadership. They never came up with a plan B. I mean, I want to, this is a goofy analogy, but it's the same reaction I have to watching Virginia play in the NCAA tournament. They play the way that they play and they don't have a plan B when their plan A doesn't work. So Virginia set a historical precedent last season in the NCAA tournament by losing to a team that made threes and they didn't make their own threes.

And I'm watching the last four minutes of this game, and how many times have we been together, this three of us in the extended Ringer podcast universe, the last four minutes of basketball games that matter. That's nut-crunching time. How are you going to score the basketball? How are you going to score? And you know what?

You think about what the iconic Durant moments are over his time in the Warriors. They're all from behind the arc. It's those daggers from behind the arc in the finals. It's like getting him good looks where they mean the most. And they're freeing. He's had a liberation experience. He's been liberated with Golden State. Because he's not been carrying Golden State through those games, you know?

I wonder, there's just so many bad habits built up over just a bad way of playing basketball, and they just all manifested themselves at the end. At the same time, I did watch Coach Nick's breakdown on YouTube. Coach Nick, B-ball breakdown. B-ball breakdown. So good. And he's just going through the last five minutes and all of the spacing disasters that are happening with OKC

where you're giving the ball to Durant, but Ibaka and Adams are on the same side of the court with him, just bringing their two guys over and also clogging the lane. It's like, what's he supposed to do? He still played terribly, though. What are they doing, though? That's the point. It's four minutes left in the basketball game.

You have the lead. Why is it that Abaka and Adams are on the same side of the court and KD's penetrating to that side? What is going on? What's the plan so now three years later abaca's 25 feet from the basket as a shooter yeah and that's the difference in this game i also think that the the value proposition that the thunder made was that we will overwhelm overwhelm you with athleticism and especially in that gym where you're basically like in the middle of like a storm when you're playing.

Yeah. And then as you get to the end of the game, maybe like the energy's a little bit like you're losing your legs a little bit. That same athleticism and that same energy can kind of work against you when what you really need is precision and to be calm. You know, like this is and i and that's kind of like i he's one of my favorite basketball players but that's going to be the knock on westbrook until he it's not it's like he just will run into a wall and be like wow who put that wall there you just described whenever we get to the point where we get to give out our play of the game awards um exactly the context for for what i believe happened for my play of the game

what i believe was the play of the game. Okay, we'll hold that. Yeah, they only had rebounded them by five in this game. They had 16 offensive rebounds, and that's why you have the size. They're taking terrible shots, but a lot of the times they're getting second chances, and there's that one sequence in the fourth quarter.

The last time they score, actually, with three minutes left, I wrote down fourth chance layup from Roberson. KD misses, Russ gets stripped, KD misses again, and Roberson finally ends up getting the fourth chance layup. But the length was enabling the second chances, but it was also enabling really bad basketball. I can't believe... Another thing I thought of watching this, I just can't believe they never figured out a smarter way to play KD and Russ together.

Yeah. And why they just didn't have them in pick and roll all the time. You have to imagine it. Billy Donovan seems like a... I just have to imagine it was a personal preference thing. It was a Durant-Westbrook and possibly Westbrook just saying, this is how I play. Well, you know... I agree. It was like a, it was a Durant, Westbrook, and possibly Westbrook just saying,

this is how I play. Well, you know, I agree. But off this point, you watch OKC now with George, who's basically putting up the exact same numbers as Durant,

and they play differently than we saw in this game. They're spaced better. Yeah, but you know what? I mean, Russ has also had PRP since then. You know what I mean? Like he,

he doesn't, he's not the same player. He's not the same athlete. Yeah. But it is not, it's like the same player. He's not the same athlete. Yeah. But it is not, it's like watching like, like peak Brian Dawkins out there with like now. He is.

He, he almost actually seems too athletic. He has a couple of plays where he's going to the basket and he's going faster than a human body should go. And he's just whipping it against the backboard. He grabs a steel at one point off of a, of a pass where like, I think it was in transition. And he, like, emerges out of thin air and rips the ball out of the air, like, mid-pass.

And it's just, like, the camera doesn't have him on frame, and he appears and then drives to the hoop and gets, like, an and one. It's just, like, you don't see guys like that. What we're talking about, really, I think, like, a maturity for him that was maybe forced upon him a little bit because of the the slight diminishment in his athleticism comparing the the current version of westbrook against that version a little bit yeah but here's the thing that i i will be my complaint what's the point of having a coach if you if you're gonna let your two best guys basically dictate the most important portions of the game, the last four minutes of the game.

Why have a coach? He could just go down the tunnel if you're just going to have those two guys pick which side they're going to shoot a bad mid-range jumper from. They were blowing leads a lot of that season. They blew a lot of leads in that's regular season and you know this is these are the i think spurs thunder and and uh the warriors i thought were the three best teams i saw that year and then obviously the calves are like to have a miracle in the finals but man i mean i just felt like that that was their their fatal flaw was being able to close games and having some coherence and what their plan was

at the end of games. Game seven, OKC led for most of the game, which I forgot. They were up by 13 in the second quarter. They were up eight halfway through the third and then just kind of ran out of gas. And it was the same stuff. Curry finished with 36.73. So it was the hero of that game. There's more meat to pull off this bone, but I think it's easier just to go to the categories.

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It is Sports Rewatchables week here on TheRinger.com. Back to the pod. So the first category, most rewatchable sequence. I only have three. I'm fascinated by that OKC run I mentioned in the second quarter when they go up 41-28. Adams dunk, Durant, Durant, and it just seems like they're going to win the title.

It's really rewatchable. It's like, wow, this is as good as it's really ever going to get for this Oklahoma City run right here. Clay makes 11 threes, and they're basically split into quadrants, but that 30-footer is out of control. Can we also just mention that he's guarding Westbrook? Yeah. Not for nothing, but it's not like he's hiding in the corner

on Roberson when this is over. He then goes down and claps and pulls his shorts up and guards Westbrook. Right. So he makes that 30-footer, and he's so far away that they're actually using the wider shot of the camera so you can see the benches. And Kerr's watching it, and Clay makes it and Kerr just like starts walking like he's like Blair Witch like he's just like he just kind of turns and walks away like yeah he wants to get mad at the shot but it was also amazing but he also doesn't want to do this so he just kind of pulls into his body that's a 30 footer he's seven feet behind uh the top of the arc that might even

be like a 31 footer um that was one the other one the Iguodala strip, come down, throws it to Clay up, who just catch and shoots it right in front of the Warriors bench. And the Warriors bench is going like ape shit, and they're jumping around. That's super rewatchable. And then Kerr's closer to finish it off, where it's just basically like the Kevin Love sequence in Game 7 against Cleveland that didn't go his way, but he's doing the moves. And then finally, I think he's got a Baca on him and finally

gets him and does the one-legged off the wrong leg Nash banker to clinch it. It's fucking amazing. And I don't know how hurt he was because he definitely wasn't 100%. That's my question to you guys. Watching that game, did it ever come out how like hurt he was

did he ever talk about so we have we have that coming up oh good i'm happy in it that there's that one sequence when he i i can't remember what point in the fourth quarter he he finally gets it going and then like uh i think donovan calls a timeout right after steph shot and steph just kind of rests on his his hands on his thighs and doesn't move. And he's just like standing at half court. And then like after about five or six seconds, he like points up at the sky and you're just kind of like, oh man, like whatever's wrong with this guy is not wrong with him anymore.

Yeah. You know, the adrenaline is just taking over. Yeah. So what's the most rewatchable for you, Chris? Uh, I actually, so I, I actually have a, an addition to this. Let's hear it. It's, it's not even a sequence. It's a freeze frame.

It's the second with 35 seconds left. Thunder are still just down three. They're just down three. And Durant grabs a board, basically hands the ball to Westbrook, who's already running before

he really has the ball. It's essentially like watching a touchdown, like a goal line fumble because the running back isn't paying attention or the quarterback isn't paying attention. Or like those relay races where the sprinters when the baton gets screwed up. And Draymond comes from behind and pokes it loose.

And there's this second where if you freeze frame it, Durant just his body dies. Like his arms just like flap at his sides and Westbrook looks up and Waiters kind of looks down and you can see like how symbolic that moment is for not only the end of Oklahoma City, but the beginning of this new era of the Thunder

being a super team. Yeah. And you could even read into it like Draymond doesn't just steal the ball, he steals Durant right there. Oh. I like this. Oh, Chris Bryant.

I'm just saying, I mean, like, you can see Durant just be like, I can't do this again. I can't, like, mount another charge and find myself at this point in the season

and have it end this fucking guy running down the court without the ball in his hands. What do you have, Fass? I like that sequence. 258 left in the game. Oklahoma City is up by three.

They have the ball, and Durant is on the wing. And for the first time, and again, shouts to Coach Nick, b-ball breakdown. Golden State throws a double team at KD on the wing that he hasn't seen virtually all game. And he panics. Curry comes up from the baseline to KD's blind side.

And KD panics. The ball goes a terrible pass into the middle. To Ibaka. He throws it behind him. Behind him. Iggy gets it. Brings it down the floor. It's a Curry three.

Yeah. Ties the game. The game is over. It was 99-96. Vo KC scores there. They're up five with under three minutes. And instead it's tied. Exactly.

And Curry is now officially going too is the other problem. My most rewatchable is I love the Iggy Strip. Yeah. Klay. Just I don't know who else makes that three. This game really made me rethink like Clay's context in NBA history of like who could have made that shot yeah

maybe Ray Allen I feel like Ray Allen could not have guarded Westbrook but who wouldn't have been guarding Westbrook on the other end maybe Reggie I feel like Reggie would have stutter stepped at first and I think JJ Redick I think JJ Redick could have made that shot I think at some point during that run that Clay's on Reggie would have stutter stepped at first. And I think JJ Redick. Yeah. I think JJ Redick could have made that shot.

I think at some point during that run that Clay's on, Reggie mentions he's got, you know, this year he had the third highest made threes in NBA history in a season. And then there's like a beat. And he's like, the other two seasons are steps. Right. And you're like, oh, okay. And now that's totally out the window. What's aged the best?

Other than the stuff we've already mentioned. Golden State gutting this one out with pretty limited coaching options. Here's what Kerr said. He said afterwards, sometimes there's just a move like the Cleveland series the year before, even the Memphis series. We'll have Andrew Bogut guard Tony Allen. We'll have Andre Iguodala start against Cleveland, open the floor. During that OKC series, it's like there just wasn't a move to make.

We just had to play better. Man, they were so difficult to play. It's pretty interesting. He tried it. In this game, he plays 11 dudes. He basically empties his bench except for James McAdoo. And it basically came down to Clay and Steph, can you guys make 17 threes? I'm out of any other ideas.

Can you guys just get scorching hot or else we're done? Maybe try harder on defense. What's that? It's like the Saturday Night Live sketch with Mickey Rooney where they're like, genius acting. It's like genius coaching. It's like, genius, coaching! It's like, sure, invite the two best shooters of all time, make 17 threes, you're a genius.

I've talked to him about this series, and I think we talked about it on the podcast too, and he's still kind of in awe of how just big and tall and scary that OKC team was. There really hasn't been, I'm not sure we'll see another team like that that could throw out a Baca, Adams, and Durant together. No, I mean, the Sixers are that long, but they're not as ferocious. They don't have the same energy.

Maybe we will see that. Remember, KD and Russ had already been to the finals by that point in their career. Wait a second. The Sixers don't have three guys like that. What do you mean? Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, and Embiid are pretty effing big. KD's seven feet tall. Adams is seven feet tall.

And Ibaka's like 6'11". Yeah. They're literally three seven-footers. That's the closest. I think Ibaka was 6'10", actually. What's the Bucs' front line? Lopez isn't that intimidating, though. Well, the Celts had Bird, Parrish, McHale, but Bird was not long.

Sure. You know, just having those six arms that are basically 11 feet in the air at all times. What are you thinking of? Maybe a little Porter Gortat? You're just sucking up to Parrish. How dare you? How dare you?

No, no. It's a Philly sucker. I'm impressed by what the Sixers did. I'm still impressed. Clay's first 30-footer that we talked about earlier, Kerr said I felt the game turn when Clay made one 6 feet behind the line

he wasn't really open he caught the ball and just launched and it was one of those shake your head shots now as I said before it wasn't a shake your head shot for Kerr his whole his vertebrae left his body for a second another what's aged the best for me.

I just liked Durant and Westbrook and Ibaka. I liked watching those guys. I kind of just missed this team. And it made me think like, like part of me wishes Durant never left. It would have been fun to just keep watching these guys, you know, and how many years do we have them?

Five, six. I think. I guess more than that. Cause when Obaka showed up in 2009, so this is seven years. But I just enjoy, I enjoyed that. If the, if NBA teams are like gangs, this was like a fun gang. That's the thing that really jumped out at me, man.

It's like, I know it's not the case. I know this is post, you know, Miami heat. So it's not like the super team is this foreign concept, but these are two teams that were just like these Rubik's cubes of team building, and they had some weird sort like they had some thumbs that stuck out

like, you know, whether it's like the Vergeau Spates kind of mix, or you know, you got Randy Foy and Dion Waiters and Ennis Cantor is their bench, and they're still in this. Like, they're winning like 60 Randy Foy and Dion Waiters and Ennis Cantor is their bench. And they're still in this. Like, they're winning like 60-some games in a year. And there's something a little bit more organic about the two teams you're watching there than what you're watching now.

It felt less eBay-ish. Where they feel a little bit like in a lab experiment. Another what's aged the best, that Adams dunk over Draymond at 35-28. It made me think like just how athletic that guy used to be. He's still, I think he's still a really good center, but younger Adams. Do we think he's underrated?

I think he is. He's really good in this game. I agree. I actually felt like they should have posted him up more when I was watching. I was like, could he have just gotten 30 points in this game? Although one of the things, one of the plays in the fourth quarter, he got the ball pretty in a good position down low, close to the basket.

And he went, he made a spin, and I was like, oh, God, I don't remember this. He's going to just, it's an easy layup. And he did this like following thing. Oh, did that? I remember that. Why did he do that? It was like way up high. Maybe that's why they go to,

uh, the, uh, the Curry closing drive banker bangs home. The point he actually got short changed in the history of this game. It's just like, this was the clay game. Clay saved them.

Clay. And then clay did save them. Crew's fucking awesome. The second half of this game, it's just like this was the Klay game, Klay saved them, and then Klay did save them. Kareem was fucking awesome in the second half of this game. Like this was, I think one of the best halves of his entire career. And he's kind of the forgotten person in this. And it's not fair.

Well, no, I think it is fair because every one of Klay's baskets in the second half, he had 26 points in the second half and 19 points in the fourth quarter. Every one of those baskets was so meaningful. He's like the only fireman responding at that point.

He's like the only guy with a hose just trying to keep the house from going up. But Curry, like in the third quarter, he was the only guy who scored for like two-thirds of the quarter, and then he made some really big shots in the last five. He gets a best supporting actor. Okay.

Clay gets best actor. I think Curry gets best supporting. Anything else that's aged the best for you? I would just say just really quickly, the pregame footage that they show before is the Thunder guys coming back from Oakland late at night and getting greeted at the airport by like hordes of Thunder fans.

It seemed like thousands of Thunder fans. And they're all like, kind of like touching hands with people through the chain link fence. And like, you can see like Westbrook is like smiling and they're all like, I kind of, they kind of like, yeah,

we know we have this. It's really ours to lose here. Yeah. And that combined with the atmosphere inside the, the Chesapeake was at the Chesapeake Arena or whatever it is. Like, it just feels very un-NBA. It feels really special. And, like, that's the thing I always really liked about that Thunder era

was the feeling like this was college for those guys. Yeah. For Westbrook and Durant and those guys. And that this was, like, really, like, their extended college. Well, you know what makes sense? That's the atmosphere. That's the arena. That's you know what makes sense? That's the atmosphere. That's the real. That's those crazy rabid fans.

That's that volume. It's a college volume. It's a college energy in there. Well, and I think that's why it became so personal when Durant left. Because you could feel it like through this whole game. The crowd is great and out of its mind. The only other one I wanted to mention

for what's aged the best, it's some turnover in the last like three minutes. And you just, and Warriors have the ball, and Marv's resetting it, and you just hear this fan near Marv, this young female. It's after Green knocks the ball loose from Westbrook. It was after your play. And some fan goes, oh my God!

She screams it over and over again. She sounds like she's being robbed. Yeah. They've stopped because the crowd is like, oh! And she's just going, oh my God! Yeah, she has been robbed. She's been robbed of her will to live. So what stage is the best for you?

I'm going to go atmosphere. gonna go atmosphere okay yeah yeah yeah i mean you just hit six outstanding plays all of which stand up but what is happening in that it is like the first thing that you're struck by when when uh oklahoma city has its first like run in the game the volume is was out of the, out of the TV screen. It actually might've thrown them off the atmosphere. It might've just been, had too much energy. Well,

cause there's one point in the second half, I think where a Bach is taking a foul shot and everybody shuts up for it. And you're like, Ooh, Oh, I thought there was a truck idling outside of my house. Yeah. I told you guys before we started taping,

I went to finals games there in 12. And it was so loud that you're, you actually like, your head hurt after. In a real way that like, not sounding like a wimp, it's, I think they also,

they might pump in some sound. I don't know. I've never heard a sound like that. What are the, like, is there any comparable NBA gym? I think there, I think there are gyms that get louder. I think there are

gyms that get louder. I think there's something about what they do in there that it's just more uncomfortable. It's not like, you know, you go to a Knicks game and you're like,

this is fucking awesome. I love this crowd. But that's like you're watching a Broadway play. The Warriors are like that. This is more like a din and it's just loud. It's constant.

They're banging stuff. They're making like this noise and you just like a din. And it's just loud. It's constant. They're banging stuff. They're making like this noise. And you just, by the end of it, you just kind of need to go take a bath. Yeah. What's aged the worst? KD and Russ, we talked about how bad they were down the stretch. OKC's offense, we talked about that as well. Shout out to Coach Nick.

Hackaboget. Oh. Forgot about that. Me too. There's two different spots. And one time, Kerr actually frantically calls timeout so they won't do it again. It actually works. And you could make a case when Billy Donovan's biggest mistakes was not going to Hackaboget more because he was atrocious.

But I had forgotten about how the 73-win Warriors were so much fun and Hackaboget was the third in the punch bowl of that season Golden State's big man group here we go house Festus Azili Andrew Bogut playing on one leg Maurice Spates

James McAdoo Anderson Vergeau the spare ribs the chicken wings the egg roll a little yeah sauteed mushroom.

I mean, that ultimately came back to bite them in the finals. Yeah. Because in the last six minutes of game seven. There's a great Azealia moment. They put Azealia out there and it's a disaster. There's a great Azealia moment in game six where he does something. It's before, I think he gets like a dunk or something. But before that, like he immediately comes on the court and screws something up.

Yeah. And gets a foul. And you could just see Draymond walk right up to him and be just basically like do not fuck this up yeah I'm gonna kill you

afterwards semi-limited Steph Curry but the adrenaline gets him going but it did make me think like I still don't know

if that's an asterisk title I feel like it is to some degree for Cleveland because Draymond got kicked out oh no no asterisk title. I feel like it is to some degree for Cleveland because Draymond got kicked out. No, no, no. Asterisk?

What are you talking about? Curry wasn't 100% healthy. No, you say that because you guys had your preseason bet that year on the Warriors. Let's go back through. What about the year the Thunder looked like the best team of all time and Baca goes out? You know what I mean?

There's no such thing as asterisk. I can put an asterisk as to whatever I want. You are the pod father. It's true. Um, Draymond was annihilated in this entire series. I just wanted to point that out for a what's age the worst 35% field goal, five for 24 from three.

But on the other hand, you watch us, you're like, Oh my God, he's six, seven guy going against three, seven footers. A couple of times that he,

uh, loses it, but has the, where's a 6'7 guy going against three 7-footers. A couple of times that he loses it, but has the wherewithal to run down to the other end of the floor and start screaming at his teammates so that he doesn't get in trouble. Which is interesting foreshadowing for game five, I guess. What's age the worst? Also, Draymond Green in real life, because he just seems way more athletic in 2016 than he does now. That was a shocker.

This is a what's aged the worst. Inactive for OKC that night. Mitch McGarry, 21st pick. Josh Hustis, 27th pick. Clint Capella went 25th that year in the draft. So they took Mitch McGarry over Clint Capella. Joe Harris went 33rd in that draft. So they took Mitch McGarry over Clint Capella. Joe Harris went 33rd in that draft.

Jokic went 40th. Wasn't the Eustace pick the one where they were like, we drafted a guy and then sent him to Greece Sent him to G League to save some money. It was like a,

it was a financial decision. But Clint Capella over McGarry might flip this game. Did they get nine minutes out of Clint Capella? Yeah. Sure. Slightly what's aged the of Clint Capella? Yeah. Sure.

Slightly what's aged the worst. Yeah. All right. So what's aged the worst? Was this the year also that was the 2015-16 team the one that went for Powell and Powell was like,

I'm not going to come to Oklahoma and that was like KD allegedly said like, I couldn't even get Powell Gasol to come here. I don't think it was allegedly. Yeah.

What's aged the worst? The answer is KD and Russ because they're really bad in this game. It's heartbreaking. And it't think it was allegedly. What's aged the worst? The answer is KD and Russ because they're really bad in this game. It's heartbreaking. And it's, it should be, it's in their first paragraph.

You're home, it's 3-2, you're playing against, Curry's not 100% and everything's going right for you and you still can't win. There's also like, I think you,

you can see a difference in the way that Russ kind of carries himself after this season. Like not only because of the injuries and maybe they've hobbled him a little bit, but I think that this whole thing with Durant just changes his personality or at least the way in which he deals with the media, the rest of the league. Yes.

Yeah. Well, I mean, because Durant left. Yeah. And the franchise went to him and said, please go have a triple-double season. Yeah. It's the only way that we have a competitive basketball team. Yeah.

And they won 46 games, and he won the MVP, and they won one playoff game. Right. So congratulations. KD was 10 for 31. Oof. It's a bad number. It's three assists.

It's not good. It's even worse. Half-assed internet research. A couple good pieces written about this game that I cribbed from. Before game six, a Warriors executive soberly told Tim Kawakami, Tim Kawakami, sorry, Tim, Tim Kawakami, that a $44 million game was about to tip off, meaning if they won game 6 the Warriors would get another home game

in the finals in the western finals and if they won that one that meant at least 2 finals games so it actually would have been more than $44 million assistant coach Chris DeMarco had an idea during the day because they had gotten killed in OKC twice let's flip sides of the court

they'd had such bad luck for second half During the day, because they got killed in OKC twice, let's flip sides of the court. They'd had such bad luck. For second half, we'll be on our side of the court offensively. It was the first time they did that. This is the golden era of guys on Golden State having great ideas. It's like, hey, what if we had peanut butter today? Oh, well, Christ. Bogut said after fans behind their bench were hugging and yelling with five minutes left,

three minutes left, whatever, we are going to the finals. Then Thompson went bonkers. Joe Lacob, so odd, so indebted. The venture capitalist quite literally dropped to his knees and bowed before Thompson after the game. That's a little excessive. I mean, he should. What are you talking about? Kerr said, in general, I think about losses more than I think about wins.

Winning, you love it for the moment. You move on. You want to win again. Losing, I still think about the 1988 Final Four. It's never going to go away for me. Game seven of the 16 finals will never go away. That's part of sports. But I should probably think about game six a little bit more often.

Interesting theme that you always hear from coaches. They dwell on the losses and they forget about the wins. Can I ask you just- I'm the opposite. I think about all of our wins as the ringer. The Ws, yeah. I don't dwell on the losses. I think I just think about wins.

That's why all the messages from you are always like, hey, Chris, great post. Flat circle, win. Thompson said he rewatches game six sometimes when he's in a slump. Of course he does. He said, if you bet your nights, I'll watch those highlights. It's hard to get into that zone. The way I was moving, I was shooting with no hesitation.

I just tried to look at what I did right that game. I learned from it still this day. If I had that game, it would just be on a loop in my house. You would have a dedicated TV for that. That's my 11-3s living room. Can I ask you a question? Do you think that if they don't sign Durant, this team, as constituted,

remains a year-after-year title contender? Yes. Yes. Unhesitatingly, unfailingly. Hero is a contender with that background. Okay. And, you know, to be fair to Billy Donovan— Even if there is a Draymond drop-off.

I mean, we assume that they would have like done something like to take advantage of this. They'll probably get creative with a couple people. Use the Draymond money for two guys that will add up to something would be my guess. I think they're a contender for as long as Curry and Clay are in their prime. Let's take a break to talk about Allbirds.

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New category, greatest. What if sliding doors moment from the game, new category for the sports rewatchables, the obvious answer. If OKC wins, does Durant leave? We haven't even talked about this yet.

Been saving it. This is the underlying theme of this game is it completely changes the course of the decade in the NBA. Well, it's one half of the equation, to be fair. Because if Golden State

wins against Cleveland, I don't think KD can be lured. You're chewing gum? Yes. Chewing gum. I'm keeping it fresh. What are you like?

What's wrong with being fresh? What are you, like a diner waitress? Is it impeded? What's up, Flo? Chewing gum? Why are we calling out my personal? Are you chomping in the mic? No.

Producer Kyle. Leave this in the podcast, Kyle. When did I chomp? Go ahead, Flo. Take it out. Do your thing, Flo. It's right there. Can I get a refill before you get back to that?

So you think Golden State, what was your point? If Golden State beats Cleveland and wins that title off the Fs. He can't go there. He won't. He can't go there. So it's a double what if. Do you agree with that? I agree that if they win this game,

he stays at least for like a one and one. He does a one and one or a two and one. Or two and one. And I think if Golden State wins, it's that much more difficult for him to stay. He goes to Boston. Yeah. So if he goes to Boston. He goes to Washington.

He goes home. I'm coming home. No, he told me he would go to Boston. Yeah. So if he goes to Boston. He goes to Washington. He goes home. I'm coming home. No, he told me he would go to Boston. He didn't even give Washington an interview. So if he goes to Boston, where does Al Horford go? So that was the thing. Straight to hell. Al Horford was like, if Katie had stayed, I would have gone to Oklahoma, right?

Right. So that also could have happened. Katie. Horford was going to go to Washington. That was the comment. That was the comment. Horford was going to go to OKC because of Billy Donovan. Yeah.

So now that next year they have Steven Adams, Al Horford, Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant. Maybe they'd get rid of him. Because the cap jumped. So summer,

I forgot to mention this, summer 2016 cap jumps. But the thing is, is that like, I just think that they also- That's also the summer of Mahinmi, sorry. Yeah.

This team got leveled by Durant's exit. You have to assume that eventually they would have hit on the right combination of some outside shooting, which has always been the Achilles heel for us. I agree with this. Would you rather have Paul George right now

or Kevin Durant right now? Kevin Durant right now. 100%. No, I'm not even... I'd rather have Paul George... Under contract for three plus years and not living in this day-to-day

soap opera for sure I just want the guy that's been the finals MVP two consecutive years I'd rather have Durant than George

I'd rather have Paul George for three years than Durant in a year-to-year soap opera whether he stays or not that's a good answer okay

do you get the sense from when you've talked to him that there's any regret that he didn't stay? Or is it completely colored by the Oklahoma City reaction? I think everything's too colored. That's a question for 10 years from now. Kerr said, this is nothing coming from Kevin, but if you look at it objectively and circumstantially,

if they beat us, they go to the finals. If they go to the finals, tough to see Durant going here. Which he said on my podcast too. Okay, so by that same logic, if the Warriors win the finals this year, does that make it more or less likely that he leaves? That's a great question. Like you stay and you say, I think he's going to leave. In 30 years, they'll look back at this team and say that's the best team ever

because we won five or six titles. He would be the first guy who ever left a champion like that and just went to another team who was the best player on that team.

This has never happened before. Now I think he's going to do it. You think he's the best player on Golden State right now? He's either 1A or 1B. He's 1B for me. Really? You have Curry over Durant? Yeah, I have Curry over Durant. Really? Curry is the Warriors. Durant's a betterA or 1B. He's 1B for me. Really? You have Curry over Durant?

Yeah, I have Curry over Durant. Really? Curry is the Warriors. Durant's a better two-way player. I don't know. It's a good argument. It's hard to say. Draymond said,

somewhere in the back of your mind, you're definitely thinking, hey, if we lose this, there's no shot at Durant. Interesting. All worked out for Draymond. You know what I mean? In the telling, it's like everything works out. All worked out for Draymond. You know what I mean?

Like in the telling, it's like everything works out. I mean, like, so if they win the Cavs game, does he not send that text message? I like that. They win game seven in Oakland. Does he not send the text message? We need you. I don't think he sends it. What's he need?

He's got champagne bottles in both hands he's not sending a text the crazy thing is is that if durant leaves the warriors and the warriors have to do some sort of rebuild or not even a rebuild but a reconstruction the the guy who's going is draymond so he he basically like accelerated his own departure from golden state by doing this in some ways. I mean, he walks out of there with four rings. Yeah, it all turned out okay for Draymond, I would say. Like once Draymond got left in the tank.

So in my book, I did the 33 biggest what-ifs ever in the NBA, counting them down. And I think number one was Bowie over Jordan. Just what does the NBA look like if that doesn't happen? And there were some other good ones. That's one of my favorite chapters in that book. Cause you can just read it now. It's the same chapter, but a lot of like, what if Kareem had signed with the ABA and just, you go all the way through. I think this, what if the Thunder had won this game is a top 10 what if though, because it directly swings the next two finals and probably this third finals too. It completely changes the 73-win Warriors team we had.

It ends the OKC thing, but now the OKC thing is revived with Paul George. Indiana doesn't trade him. If Durant's on OKC, where does Indiana trade Paul George? It just affects nine different teams. It's amazing. Yeah, it also changes the paradigm of team building in the NBA. By signing Durant, it goes, you see all these NBA GMs say like, okay, I guess I have to, what did Daryl say?

Like change the risk profile. Like I have to basically go into the tax now, get rid of all the assets I might have in the future because I have to put together a five that can play with that five. Yeah, put a gun to everybody's head all the assets I might have in the future because there's, I have to put together a five that can play with that five. You put a, yeah, put a gun to everybody's head all the time, basically. And then, you know, it led to Durant having a really interesting next couple of years as a public person and a human being from all the podcasts I did with him to the weird Twitter thing to all the weird press conferences he's had.

And even the way that this seems to be playing out at the end of Golden State. I mean, like between the fight with Draymond. The fight with Draymond. The video that got shared. We're recording this at the end of February, but the video got shared last night of the Warriors are having like basically a team huddle.

Everybody's got their hands up. They're like, all right, go Warriors. They run off and Durant shows up like 10 seconds later stretching and walking out behind everybody, which could just be... It just could have been him coming out. Yeah, it could be his sort of ritual, but at the same time,

I just think that it's been such like a weird... It's weird that this is a detour for him, it feels like, when it has resulted in so many titles. And I don't think it was initially meant to be a detour. I think it eventually became a detour once I think he realized that this was always going to be Curry's team. I agree with this.

I mean, I don't think anybody's wrong here. It was worth it for him to go to Golden State. He enjoyed it. The back-to-back finals MVP, pretty good. It's an unprecedented run for Golden State. The second part of this what if is what does Golden State do if he doesn't go there that summer? If he goes to Boston or if he just stays in, okay,

so here are the free agent possibilities. I went through it. I looked it up. Harrison Barnes, just bring him back. Al Horford, Hassan Whiteside. Nicholas Batum. Chandler Parsons. Kent Bazemore.

They would have had to replace him with some sort of wing. However that plays out is not a good outcome. I don't know. It feels like... Harrison Barnes probably comes back. I think Horford. I think they would have really dug in hard. I think they go with Steele Horford. Yeah, because that just fits that profile.

They've always been like a cerebral team, notwithstanding like they just have these two great shooters that that's not very thoughtful. You know, you don't need to be smart to shoot from 30 feet. Yeah. Deion Waiters Award. Best he checked. Does this go to Deion Waiters? Somehow Deion Waiters didn't win his own award.

You know it was a bad game when Deion Waiters didn't win his own award. You know it was a bad game when Dion Waiters can't win his own award. Canter? Who gets it? Not Canter? Well, there's two. Canter's pretty good,

but Iggy gets it. Okay. Incredible defense last five minutes. Makes the crazy layup with two minutes left switching hands in traffic. What a best of time,

worst of times for Iggy over the next couple weeks there. But that was the other guy at the outset of the podcast. We were talking about how I was stunned by the way two guys looked. He's the other guy. I mentioned Draymond, but Iggy also was just an unbelievable specimen. He is Sixers juice.

He really did. Juice? Wait a minute. Did somebody say juice? Come on, call him. Hold on now. No Yeah, he's still very athletic. Juice? Wait a minute. Did somebody say juice? Come on, Chris. Hold on now. No, but he flew around the court. He flew.

He was through those turnovers inside the last three minutes. All his doing, all his vision. They didn't even have that much Livingston out there, did they? He was bad in this game. The other heat check candidate is Curry's parents. Great performance by them. Really good. Cut to them.

They're just in a sea of crazy Oklahoma City fans. Mom's going nuts. Let's parents. Great performance by them. Really good. Cut to them. They're just in a sea of crazy Oklahoma City fans. Mom's going nuts. High five it. Peak Mrs. Curry during that. The Grady Little Award for biggest coaching fuck up.

Another new category here for the rewatch. Okay. Should it not be Grady Little? No, that's fine. I just was like, I mean like, Is there a Philly one

you want to name it after? No, there's not. There's the Andy Reid Glock Management Award. Is there a Philly one you want to name it after? No, there's not. There's the Andy Reid Glock Management Award. Andy Reid Glock. Yeah, we can do that, I guess. It's something Billy Donovan did, but I don't even know how to isolate it. No, I think it's what he didn't do. Or what he didn't do.

You know, like there's got to be a timeout or something in that last three and a half minute stretch when you know you have to get a bucket where or something in that last three and a half minute stretch when you know you have to get a bucket where everybody, like, take a breath. How much does he stagger Durant and Westbrook? I think they play the whole fourth quarter, right? They both played like 44 minutes this game. I got to say, Kerr had a couple great timeouts

in the first half when things were unraveling and he just saw it and sniffed it out. Yeah. Which I think when you're on the road, you really have to try to stagger the game and control it that way with the timeouts. I would have personally done more hack-a-bogey when Thompson and Curry got going.

That was my biggest fuck-up. It's wild how much the game slows down in that second half, but even in the fourth quarter, especially with fouls. Because the first quarter is, it's like watching a Nolan Richardson Arkansas game. It's so up and down would you have gone smaller? cause the problem is

Waiters was playing like crap and so was Foy so it's like what do you do? they just literally didn't have the guys they put Morrow out there for five minutes

and I think he just like missed two shots and they gave up I never understood the Anthony Morrow thing because they were always looking for that skeleton key

50% three point shooter when Morrow it's like that guy sucks what are you talking about another new award who do we give that to just something Billy Donovan did at some point I liked what House said

what Billy Donovan didn't do was the great little award I he had it was basically all the institutional offensive malaise that their offense was

came to manifest itself in the last five minutes so he wins it for that new award best chemist best guy in the bench just best performance by a bench guy

just being a chemist just just doing the Walter way maybe I call this the Walter way to word it goes to Verja I thought Verja was incredible

he's goofy hair the hair is the thing he had a couple spins during the clay's three I thought it was great the clay three like their bench is reacting

like it's the dunk contest and all you can really to me all you can see is his hair, so that's why it's got to be marriage. He wins the first Walter White Award. Another new category. Best half-baked big picture take. This is where I just throw a

half-baked big picture take at you. You guys have to decide whether you're buying it or selling it. I think this was the first of an era that's happened in the three-point era. Three-point shot friendly teams falling apart in do-or-die games. Teams that relied on the three.

So the Thunder, where were they in three-point attempts that season? Three for 23. They didn't take a lot of threes that game, but it was more like when a team just going cold. Yes. It seems like it's happening more and more. This is why it's a half-baked take.

The last five years where it's like everyone's playing so hard. Outside shooting, we take it for granted. But then it's really a fucking coin flip whether you have it or not. Didn't that happen to the Rockets in game six well Rockets last year yeah Celtics last year

yeah Utah Clips game seven the Clips that happened with them but there's times where it's like sometimes those threes

become hard you take them for granted for a hundred games and then in the biggest game of your season it's like oh yeah that's a 24 footer

you think about it a little bit more have a big take is there some meat on that one or no? I am interested in the question that Chris asked what was OKC's average number of threes taken in a season I'm going to look at that right now

over the course of the season over the course of the season you want yeah how many did they take a game because 23 feels like a lot for that team. Okay, I got it, Chris. 35% from three that year. So that's right on the number. They took 1945 in 82 games.

So like 25 a game. Yeah, they're the 17th most attempts per game. Yeah. Live by the three, die by the three. That's true. Oh, by the way, die by the three. That's true. Oh, by the way, this is another example. Game seven,

2016 finals. Curry and Clay, six for 24 from three. That's Kobe numbers. Just meet there. I don't know what that take is. The Tim McCarver Memorial broadcast team complaint corner.

Let's do it. God, I say this with as much respect as I could muster in my entire body. I really needed Harlan for this game. Harlan might have lost his mind though. I needed Harlan or Gus Johnson.

Marv, God bless him. The best basketball announcer of all time. He's in his mid, late 70s in this game. The excitement that he was able to get to did not match the fourth quarter of these threes that Klay Thompson was making. I do feel like Harlan would have blacked out. So Gus, I'm a... Gus dies.

Ride or die for Gus, but it would have been like the Will Ferrell sketch where the teleprompter breaks and he's just got a pitchfork out and he's got his tie around his head. I think Gus would have just been like, the weatherman is dead! Cave painting on the court.

He was just like, no, we have to start a fire! Harlan would have been out of his way. Harlan's the happy medium, yeah. C-Web was just not very good in this game. Well, this is the thing. Because Durant's terrible, and none of them even really mention it in the first half. Is Reggie on there too, or is it just C-Web?

It was just C-Web. I have a different feel for Marv. Marv, I was thrilled when I started watching that Marv had the game because, you know, to all of my life, the Marv games are the most important. It's like hearing Summerall call a classic

football game. By contradistinction, I was greatly disappointed that Chris Webber was the color. I was like, is this an audition? Why is Chris Webber sitting here? And he just, again, in that same vein, why are you, he talks so much, just so much Chris Webber talking.

He isn't, and he's not really saying that much. It's good that it wasn't Van Gundy because Van Gundy would have just been like, I don't know how you call that. You know, like, it's just like, while Clay is shooting threes, he's arguing about like a verticality remember

Breen did the game the Curry game in OKC that year when Curry did the pull up like 35 footer and he says we don't have a bag bag he did like the double bang

so like for this Klay Thompson game I think he would have like triple banged triple bang the 11th one would have been a triple bang Apex Mountain. All I have for this is clay. Not Sacramento for clay? No, the stakes for this.

This was like, this felt like it saved the 73. This is one of the most clutch shoot performances in the history of the league. But the funny thing about it is I don't feel like his reputation has changed

since then because Durant arrives and it kind of flattens clay out a little bit. Like he's still incredibly. I think it's the clay Thompson game. Yes. It is the game widely credited as pushing Durant out of OKC 73 win

warriors coming off a title. I think it's the game that confirms that he's going to make the hall of fame. Clay Thompson. Yes. Yes. Clay Thompson's going to make the hall of fame. Any other Thompson? Yes. Yes. Klay Thompson's going to make the Hall of Fame. Any other Apex people? I kind of weirdly want to put Adams on here.

I've loved Adams in this game. Arguably Cantor's Apex. Okay. So Cantor is four for five in this game. Yeah, plus 15. This is pre-can't play Cantor. I actually had this in What's Aged to Worst, and I accidentally skipped over it.

Why didn't Cantor play more in this game they couldn't nobody in the Warriors could guard him I know he played like 11 minutes

do you think that that was it's kind of like in the fourth quarter when a football coach just stops running even though they've been running all game

it's like I just can't I can't watch this so I have to just like have my guys chuck it any more Apex Mountains for you Hass

no Luke Walton he's on the bench there oh that's right yeah but he's in James McAdoo some good high fives Any more Apex Mountains for you, Hass? No. Luke Walton? He's on the bench there. Oh, that's right. Yeah. But he's in better jobs. James McAdoo? Some good high fives?

No. Krista Marco? Josh Eustace? Yeah. Andy Vergell's hair. Krista Marco. Yeah. Krista Marco, Apex Mountain.

Funniest in-game network promo. Didn't have one, but I have this monitor in this for when we do future sports rewatchables. I was hoping for like coming up on TNT starting this fall and some terrible show that went away, but they didn't have that. The emotional conclusion

of Rizzoli and Isles. Bang! New category. Hottest retroactive take that you wish you had had in the moment. Mine was playing as Cantor more. Okay.

I wish I had really hit that one hard on Twitter. More Enos. You should have played 25 minutes. Give me more Enos. Do you have a hottest retroactive take? Basketball was better then. Oh, wow. That's closer to like the kind of like,

I just kind of like, you know why you feel that way? Cause we grew up with both of those teams. Yeah. You said before we had 10 years with that OKC team and really that Warriors team was brewing since Clay joined them at 11. And it felt like these two teams that had been together for a while and had real familiarity.

And now it was culminating in this game. I love, I love, but it's a little, it's familiarity and now is culminating in this game. I love, I love the NBA. Now it's fucking AAU. But it's a little, and it's a little, there's also some baseballification of it

where it's like, oh, congratulations, you guys solved it. You know, you solved basketball and like, let me know when you move the three-point line

back three feet. I don't mean that. You like the flaws of this game. Yes, I like the flaws. I like the like, oh crap,

two guys are standing in the same place. What are we going to do? I know it's imperfect, but just like watching these guys be harvesters and just destroy everything in front of them now, it's kind of like, all right. Pass? This is always my same hot take, so it's not like it's out of left field.

I want somebody on Oklahoma City to post up inside of three minutes. I want KD to have his back to the basket inside of three minutes. Against a mostly short team? Yes. I'm begging, this is the same take I've had.

I've probably had this take for 15 years. Post effing KD up inside of the last three minutes. Or even part of the problem with that team so much was getting the ball to KD. Because in that last few seconds, doesn't Westbrook throw the,

Curry hits the interception because he's trying to throw a cross-court pass to Roberson. It's just like, why not, Durant can just bring the ball up. How about that? We could start the offense. Best unintentional comedy moment. I stepped on it before when that girl does that.

Oh my God! It's really kind of funny. Sorry, OKC fans. Probably unanswerable questions. What was it like to leave that arena? Tell your Tyler story. Our buddy

Tyler Parker, who's appeared in Take Hunter and a couple of other Ringer videos and is an Oklahoma Thunder devoted fan, was telling me that this is among almost got arrested for public urination, which I think is really representative of how... I think you could have arrested Oklahoma City for public urination that night. That's how I think it felt to leave the arena. It had to have been just the saddest play.

It's terrible to lose a game like that anyway, but then to not know if you're ever going to see Durant again. And then you have no other team well they didn't know if this happened with the Wizards you'd at least be like well alright

we still have the Caps or we still have the Nationals the Durant thing was hanging over us the worst gut punch I've seen a lot of gut punch losses but one of the worst

was when Ryan Howard blew out his Achilles against the Cardinals on the last at bat against the Cardinals oh my god that was horrible

and I remember just like kind of but I don't think they were that they were not that close to beating the Cardinals. Oh my God, that was horrible. And I remember just like kind of, but I don't think they were that, they were not that close to beating the Cardinals. Like it wasn't like they were up on the Cardinals and that happened. I can't talk about baseball games involving the Cardinals. I have too many bad moments.

I've obviously had a lot of bad ones. We've had some good ones too, but I wrote about this in my book that when the Magic Skyhook game and then Bird missed the three by like a centimeter, that would have won it. And that was like the saddest,

most just like traumatized crowd I've been in, I think. Trying to think if there's ever been a worse crowd for me. I wasn't at the two terrible Red Sox losses. The historical ones. When you're in a crowd like that, like wasn't at the two terrible red sox losses the historical ones wasn't yeah i think that was the when you're in a crowd like that like i was at the two super bowl the giants losses but there's so many giants fans people are happy when you're in a crowd sorry cal um when you're in a

crowd like that where every single person is completely unhappy and devastated and you're all just kind of sadly filing out. And it's just like eerie. It's really like there's nothing like it. So I guarantee it must have been like that. They're all Nationals losses for me. There are three incomprehensible losses. And baseball is excruciating because those games are four hours.

And then it ends. Unless it's seven hours and you lose in the 18th inning. Right. In the playoffs. Another unanswerable question. Do you think Durant, one of the reasons he sucked in this game, was because of the Warriors thing and just... Was Durant's mind in the 100% right spot in this game because of the pressure of if we lose this i'm probably once where they're like this could be his last home game

i think it comes up maybe once in the broadcast we were about to launch the ringer around this time house is underrating like how much we talked about the rants for agency and where he might go i mean this was definitely like this could have been his last game. I think that was part of the... That's different from saying that he had an idea about going to Golden State that may have affected... LeBron sucked in 14

like in that Miami series when he had one foot out the door. LeBron sucked in 2010 in that Cleveland series when he had one foot out the door. I do wonder if there's some psychological, either you really want it to go right because you know it's your last run, you want to do everything right, so you start acting a little bit different, or I don't know. It's another half-baked idea. I don't think so. I think he felt a different kind of pressure that he was putting on himself to get his team across the goal line.

I don't think that he was thinking about a future away from Oklahoma City. I'm not saying he's thinking about a future. I'm saying when you know this might be it, this is your last chance to do right for these people, and you start trying. Because he had never taken more shots in a playoff game ever.

This is my criticism of first Billy Donovan and then by extension, the OKC organization. If you have this guy who at that point in the NBA was the top two or three second or third best player in the entire NBA, and you know what the circumstances are, you're coming into game six. This is the game that's going to change the direction of the franchise. Where's the level head that's sitting down with him and saying, let's think about this and put a spin on it.

I thought about this exact thing last night, and it made me look at just the last 15, 20 seasons of Spurs. San Antonio Spurs seasons. And the thing you realize when you look at that is how remarkable it is by how many failures they were able to absorb. Especially 13, yeah. 06 was terrible.

And sometimes it's like they win the finals and then they lose in the first round the next year. Or they lose in the second round. Or like some guy on their team gets a devastating injury in a playoff year when they had the best team in the league. And they lose one of the most heartbreaking finals and then they come right back the next year. And that's kind of what you lose when there's more player movement is that there isn't that learning from the losses. And there's not that we can absorb huge disappointments and try again.

But who are the constants there? It's funny that you mentioned this absorb huge disappointments and try again. But who are the constants there? It's funny that you mentioned the Spurs. It's the best organization. It's been Pop and Buford for the entire run. So who's setting that institutional authority? Buford, I said. No, I'm kidding. How dare you?

Well, they modeled Oklahoma City off of San Antonio. I mean, Presti modeled it off of that. And they thought. I mean, we have not mentioned off of that and they thought... We have not mentioned James Harden this entire time. When you talk about breaking the record, I'm sure

anyone thinking about this would have thought Harden would have come up. We're now like hour 15. So proud of us. And it wasn't even him. I think we could have gotten out of it. I had two more probably unanswerable questions and that was one of them. Does Hardivico went 75 minutes. I did it. And it wasn't even him. I think we could have gotten out of it. I had two more probably unanswerable questions

and that was one of them. Does Harden win this game for them? No, just like imagine James Harden in this game. You know what would have been fun? James Harden in the

Dion Waiters, Randy Foy spot. I mean, this is the Harden trade coming back to absolutely murder them, pillage them, and leave their dead body by the side of the road. Right.

Dion Waiters, Randy Foy. I'm going to read their stats right now. Any comments? Any comments, House? This is going to be bad. I feel like I kept you clean and then you found one rock of mess underneath your couch cushion.

And now you're talking about Randy Foy's box score. Deion Waiters, Randy Foy. Anthony Morrow. Those three guys played a combined 47 minutes, and they were one for six from the field. The hardened trade was like alien rearing its ugly head coming out of the stomach. Yeah, I mean, three for 23 from behind the arc.

They make three more of those that win. You just write off the good people of Oklahoma City. They don't listen to The Ringer. They don't listen to your podcast. We'll be fine. There's other cities. Last unanswerable question. I'm going to take a dramatic pause before I ask this one.

It was a heavy sigh. I was in the camp of, I like that Durant went to the Warriors. I like watching great basketball. I love watching a great team. I watched this game, and I'm actually bummed out that this just didn't stay the Warriors. I really love the 73-win Warriors. That was my biggest takeaway from this game. I was like, I just fucking like this.

We're coming up. Curry and Klay and weird Harrison Barnes over in the corner and Draymond. And it's like, if they just got in a couple of role guys, I could have rolled with this team for 15 years. And I hope it comes back next year. We're coming up on the three-year anniversary of standing in the Liberty Bar in Austin, Texas and watching them get to 73. It was over Memphis, right?

Yeah. And I remember I was like, I'm going to remember where I was for like the rest of my life for this game. This is the fucking coolest thing I've ever seen. Yeah. This team. It's so funny.

The team that I wanted to come back was Oklahoma City. I loved the challenge that they posed to Golden State. They weren't worse than Golden State. Yeah. They were every bit the match. They just had, again, this what I call an institutional failure. I expected the morning of July the 4th when I woke up that KD was going to announce that he was resigning with Oklahoma City.

He was going to run it back. And again, the vehicle could have been a two-year option, whatever it was going to be. But that team was great. They annihilated the Spurs. They were right there to mount that challenge. I wish we could send that team with Brad Stevens coaching. Right, right. Think about what we just saw with Milwaukee

when they Joe Prunty'd a Coach Bud upgrade, which is literally worth 20 wins for them, that they changed those coaches. I just miss this team. I miss the energy of just a team fueled around two guys who can make 23s in any game together. You're talking about Golden State. Yeah, and then I miss the flaws of OKC.

I miss having these flawed great teams, and I feel like it's like what you said before. You look at the teams now. Philly's probably the closest we have to like, oh, that's weird. Ooh, you're going to play all those guys together. Oh, your point guard can't shoot. Oh, and Bede's 25 feet away.

So I guess they're the new OKC. Congratulations, Chris. Thanks. Congratulations for that. I can't even. I want to come up with a defense. But I do like having flawed teams that are like, oh, I wish they didn't do that.

But I kind of love watching anyway. I mean, honestly, go back in time. I mean, like just even that year that we're talking about, I guess, wait, was this that year? 16. So no, it was the next year's Isaiah Thomas. Yeah. Well, we had him in 16, too. Yeah, but I mean,

the teams were a little bit more funky, you know what I mean? Utah's funky now. I like when they play Gobert and F favors with Ruby out. Wasn't this John Wall jumping up on the players? That was the greatest

basketball moment of House's last 35 years. John Wall hitting a three and jumping on the table. It's definitely the highlight of John Wall's career. There's not going to be anything that exceeds that. John Wall jumping on a table. I have Bob Kraft jumping on the table. Too soon?

Sorry, Kyle. Who won the game? Draymond Green. Oh, I love that. Draymond Green won. Draymond Green wins this game? Yeah, because he gets the turnover, and then he gets the signature.

Oh, wow. I was going to say Klay Thompson, because it's a Klay Thompson game. It is Klay. I would also countenance Iggy, though, because he had the two steals. So best supporting actor is Curry, but then what is Iggy's award?

He's just like Harvey Keitel. You know what I mean? Yeah, my feeling is if the game is named after you, you win the game. Okay. It's like Harvey Keitel. You know what I mean? Yeah. My feeling is if the game is named after you, you win the game. Okay. So that's it for Sports Rewatchables. Hey, if you have any suggestions for categories, you can tweet Nephew Kyle at TomShady300.

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