The Bill Simmons Podcast - Part 2: Zach Wilson’s Alive, Belichick’s in Trouble, Buffalo’s Cruising, and Week 5 Lines With Cousin Sal

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

In Part 2 of a two-part podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Cousin Sal to discuss the Chiefs' narrow victory over the Jets, the Cowboys' drubbing of the Patriots, and Dolphins-Bills (2:09)... before talking quarterback confidence rankings, Steelers-Texans, Colts-Rams, Christian McCaffrey's MVP game, and more (24:25). Next, they guess the lines for NFL Week 5 (47:15) before closing the show with Parent Corner (1:15:14). Host: Bill Simmons Guest: Cousin Sal Producer: Kyle Crichton The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming, please checkout theringer.com/RG to find out more or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Coming up, part two of the Sunday extravaganza. Cousin Sal, NFL next. This episode is brought to you by Prime Video. You know me, I can't go a day without sports. I really can't. And now Monday nights are all about hockey. That's right. There's a new exclusive home
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Starting point is 00:01:44 We're also brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where we have new rewatchables coming up. And I'm going to tell you the movie. We had Kyle Brandt come on. You know, when he comes on, we're doing something classic from the 80s or 90s. This is an iconic, iconic movie. Well, maybe not.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Toy Soldiers, Die Hard in a Boarding School. A lot of laughs, a lot of fun. I love this movie. And Kyle Brandt and I broke it down. So yeah, that to look forward to. If you missed that, we did a part one today. Rosillo came on and we broke down all the ramifications of the Drew Holiday trade. So we went almost an hour.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Really tried to dive into every possible thing you could say about not only the trade, but what it meant for the Eastern Conference, for the Bucks Celtics, for the league. So you have that as well. RIP to Tim Wakefield. He passed away this weekend. And you go to the Nomar Pedro era in the late 90s, which rejuvenated the Red Sox and the city. I was living in the city at the time in a lot of ways, all the way through to the 2003 and 2004 teams. They finally get the title. And he's such a big part of that. Great guy, great teammate, beloved in the community,
Starting point is 00:02:56 only 57 years old. And I will never forget him getting those last nine outs in game five of the 2004 ALCS. We love Tim Wakefield. A really sad weekend for the Boston fans. So wanted to mention that. Condolences to his family and all his old teammates. Tough one.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Anyway, we are going to bring in Cousin Sal. We're going to talk about the NFL, Patriots, Cowboys, Guest Alliance, and a whole lot more. So let's bring in Pearl Jim. All right, taping this. It is 8.30 Sunday night. I'm here with a giddy, looks like a pig that rolled in shit, Cousin Sal. Oh, what do you have to make a fat joke off the bat? Come on, buddy.
Starting point is 00:03:57 This is going to be fun. Come on. I thought that was the phrase, a pig that rolled in shit. I'm not taking offense to anything. I want to come on here. I thought that was the phrase. A pig that rode in shit. I'm not taking offense to anything. I want to come on here. I want to be civil. I want to talk about Drew for 20 minutes. I want to talk about Taylor and Kelsey.
Starting point is 00:04:15 And then maybe 45 seconds to a minute on the Cowboys-Patriots. Whatever you want to do. Let's save Cowboys-Pats because that was such a blowout. And we'll talk about Chris Collinsworth. I didn't know somebody could have a live orgasm for an hour and a half on the air. It was like when Howard Stern has the people ride the Sibian, like, Oh, Zach Wilson. Oh, he's making all the throws back. He was just like losing his mind. I've never heard anyone hype up a decent performance. I don't,
Starting point is 00:04:47 I won't be telling my grandkids about, about, uh, Bill, if I can't, if I don't get to induct Zach Wilson into Canton, something's very wrong. And don't let me come across that Joe Namath in a dark alley.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I'm a, I'm a punch his lights out. Bill, you know, who was saying that Zach Wilson could have make all the throws. I mean, look at his lights out, Bill. You know that. Who was saying that Zach Wilson couldn't make all the throws? I mean, look at this, Mike. It's like the last four weeks, we didn't make any
Starting point is 00:05:11 of these throws. I don't know what happened in that game. It was 17-0. I got annihilated today, except for all of these different parlays and teases I had with the Eagles and the Chiefs tied to different teams. It was actually going to save my night. All the Chiefs had to do teams. And it was actually going to save by night. All the Chiefs had to do was win by like two.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Joe Howell special. He said it. Eagles, Chiefs, minus two and a half. They never went to nine. It was easy. Mahomes, 17-0. Zach Wilson on the other team. And it's like, I don't feel you can't be safer than this.
Starting point is 00:05:44 And then all of a sudden, safety, jet score. Zach starts getting into rhythm, Collinsworth starts losing his ejaculate all over the game. And all of a sudden, we're sweating out this game where the Chiefs, they have no receivers that seem like they can get open. One of their offensive linemen is just
Starting point is 00:05:59 committing a holding every five minutes. Taylor. His name is Taylor. Did that game make you feel worse about the Chiefs or better about the Jets if you had to pick one? Well, here's what I'll say, and it's a bigger picture thing. Let's start with the 10. We'll get back to this, but
Starting point is 00:06:15 with the 10 a.m. games on the West Coast, we watched 20 teams. By that time, we had watched 20 teams, right? Because of the London game. I was impressed with two of them. There were two or maybe three of these teams that could maybe get past the first round.
Starting point is 00:06:32 And I'm including the Eagles in there, who were not very good. The Bills, obviously. And I'm like, I don't know. The Dolphins, I guess. But the flip side of that is the very bad teams have all shown signs of brilliance a little bit, right?
Starting point is 00:06:48 Like I feel like including the Pats. I, yeah, no, no, no, not those are the very worst teams. No, but I feel like, honestly, I feel like, um, who do we just watch the jets, the bears, the Raiders have played better football than the Vikings and the Bengals. They play better quarters. So you can't take any of the really crap teams for granted, but you also can't like anybody to go far because there's just not five or six or seven teams like that.
Starting point is 00:07:16 So I think I'm more impressed with the Jets. I like that they have something in them. I'm with you. I thought that was the first time their defense looked like the defense that was hyped but hadn't actually done anything resembling what we saw tonight. I'm with you. I thought that was the first time their defense looked like the defense that was hyped but hadn't actually done anything resembling what we saw tonight. Mahomes, he had a couple weird short arm plays where
Starting point is 00:07:32 I was almost expecting to find out he has like a sore UCL or something after the game. He has a sore. He has a cold sore in his arm. And there was the whole conspiracy theory that because the NFL is scripted, they just needed that game to be closer
Starting point is 00:07:47 for four quarters for the Taylor Swift advertising that was going on. I don't feel like their guys were getting open though. And like when Kelsey came out on that one third and 20 because he was tired, you're just sitting there going, oh my God, like no, but how are they going to get anything to happen? They, everyone
Starting point is 00:08:04 went nuts about that pass interference on Gardner that kept the drive alive. They showed three replays. To me, it was pass interference. You're not allowed to grab a guy. You're not allowed to grab a guy for over a second. Past five yards? Come on.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I know. But you talk about the script, and I know you're kidding, but they don't want to cut to a sad Taylor Swift at the end, right? That's the last thing they want to do is cut to very, very sad Tay-Tay. So, yeah, maybe it was holding, but I hate when they're late with it. I hate when they're late. Why are they so late with it? I feel like the ball was intercepted, and then he threw the flag.
Starting point is 00:08:40 It was the only thing that was cautioned to me. It was a little suspicious how late the flag was. But my big takeaway from the game, just what a massive mistake Aaron Rodgers made not forcing a celebrity relationship with Taylor Swift over the last five years. What a missed marketing opportunity that was. And he goes to the game tonight.
Starting point is 00:09:03 They keep showing him. He's got his cast on. Like he tried to grab some of the limelight and it just wasn't enough. He just got steamrolled by Taylor. And it's like, this was sitting here for five years.
Starting point is 00:09:14 You've had a bunch of celebrity relationships, Aaron Rodgers. This, there's no bigger relationship. This Taylor, Travis Kelsey, like he's got the number one podcast now. He's gained a thousand Twitter followers. My wife knows who he is. She didn't know who he was five minutes ago.
Starting point is 00:09:28 And Rodgers just has to be kicking himself. Just fire your whole advisory team, Rodgers. Start over. They should have told you. Yeah, probably. But she would have hated him too, is the other thing. I don't think she would have put up with it. The politics might have been an issue.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah, who knows? Yeah, the whole thing. The vaccine might have come between them. I think it'd be so much funnier if she was dating Cole Komet, like the Bears tight end. And then there's just no fun cutaway to her at all. I thought you said it was a
Starting point is 00:09:53 tight end on a Midwestern team. I didn't realize. I got the wrong ones. Cole Komet. Mahomes, who, that slide at the end, when you think he's running in for the touchdown, and he does the high IQ play and slides. And of course, like how many gambling things were affected by the slide?
Starting point is 00:10:12 Over under? The spread over under, yeah. Spread over under, all kinds of things. But it was the right move. But they showed him after just walking through, shaking hands with everybody. And he really, for a guy who I've never really been able to support his haircut or facial hair
Starting point is 00:10:29 or really any of his choices, he's really got a cool swagger to him. He was moving through. They showed him going up to Zach Wilson. He's like, hey, buddy, you fucking. And I don't know. He's just cool. I like Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I hate when they lower the audio because they know an F-bomb is coming. It's like, oh, come on. You're showing this so we could hear the conversation, right? And then you're backing it up. That's too much of a tease. It's also alarming that then you realize that we're seeing this on a 15-second delay
Starting point is 00:10:58 from when things are actually happening and we're cheering like it's live, but it's not. Yeah, it's very much delayed. Kelsey and Swift already have It's very, very much the like Kelsey and the Swift already have like three children by the time they're showing them in the box. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great game though.
Starting point is 00:11:11 That was, that was fun. They made it. It was fun. And for Chris to have a multiple orgasm during the game, I thought was Zach Wilson. I mean, this guy's got all the throws. Never seen throws like this in my life. There was some, I follow some Jets fans on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:11:32 There were just some classic tweets and just pictures. And at one point, fantasy that somebody tweeted that if Robert Sala finishes four and 13, finishes his third season, he'll have the worst career record of anyone in the last 55 years. And Fantasy just retweeted it. It just said, Robert Sala is a loser. That was his tweet.
Starting point is 00:11:59 The Jets fans are in a dark place. They're 1-3. But on the other hand, we watch football all day. Are there seven AFC teams you like? No. Because the Chargers are a playoff team right now, and they suck. They're terrible. So, I don't know. I don't know. Can you find seven? No, and if
Starting point is 00:12:16 the Chargers played the Jets, you would never be like, oh, that is definitely a teasable game. I'm definitely taking the Chargers minus one or whatever it is after a teaser. So, that's what I mean. These bottom dwellers are going to be a pain in the ass gambling wise,
Starting point is 00:12:28 which is all I really care about. And so it's going to make it tough to survive. Yeah, so we got we got Bills, Dolphins, Ravens, KC. There's four.
Starting point is 00:12:41 All four AFC South teams are two and two. The Steelers are the worst, least inspiring 2-2 of anyone probably in the history of football. Cleveland's 2-2 in their defense. Lamar took it to him today. Who knows whether that's a whole... We found out our quarterback got squashed an hour before the game.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Stefanski's throwing in the first quarter for reasons that remain unclear. I'm just trying to make that game 3-0 the game. Stefanski's throwing in the first quarter for reasons that remain unclear. I'm just trying to make that game 3-0 if I'm Stefanski. 3-0 final. My quarterback, please don't do anything. But no, they start throwing with him. But the Bengals, the Jets,
Starting point is 00:13:17 I don't think we'll get to seven playoff teams that we like. There could be an 8-9 or 9-8 or 8-8-1 type seventh seed this year. It's funny because we thought that for the NFC, but now you're switching to the NFC. I mean, you're right. It's just not deep. And you were even
Starting point is 00:13:34 asking on our text chain, what's your confidence in Tua at this point? After putting 70 points up, and you're not wrong. It's just how effed up this league is. You can't be too confident in any quarterback. And if you look at the odds, I know you're not going to like this because we don't like to give the Bills credit,
Starting point is 00:13:49 but Josh Allen is right there at the top now for MVP. And it's a low, low number, right? What did I send you? 350? Listen, I just thought they were overrated coming into the season, and I was wrong. And I'm going to take the loss because their defense looked fast as shit today.
Starting point is 00:14:05 And I thought that was the most interesting game from a standpoint of everyone was blowing smoke up Miami all week, including myself and including everyone on the Wise Guys show except for one person. And the Bills were like, no, actually, we have the best offense. And they just... Josh Allen,
Starting point is 00:14:27 the last three games, he had that stinky first game. Last three's looked great. And I don't know, if we're ranking the AFC teams, you'd have to rank them first after the four games. I don't know if I would bet on them as the best team, but they've been the most impressive, right? Who would you put instead? They reminded me of the 90s Bills
Starting point is 00:14:44 a little bit, right? Just how they move the ball and like, oh, why are they giving three here? And then they just pummel you. They don't care what you did last week, but they're running the ball too, and that's what's different from the first couple weeks. And yet the Jets were very close to beating
Starting point is 00:15:00 the Bills and the Chiefs. So that's what we're left with here. Right. The Patriots and the Chiefs. So that's what we're left with here. Right. The Patriots and the Cowboys. Oh, okay. All right. I didn't even... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Yeah, we should talk about that. I've hit rock bottom. But let's talk about your team first. So you righted the ship. You won a big game. It was impressive, really, from the jump. You feel better or did the Pats suck?
Starting point is 00:15:30 I feel better. Listen, I put on a brave face and I was a jerk on our text exchange all weekend, but I was nervous about this until probably like 25 minutes into the game, which is probably when you guys gave up. After like Matt Jones' fifth terrible play?
Starting point is 00:15:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that. But I have news for you at the end of all this. But, yeah, I don't know that the offense is right. You know, I'm still not sure our offense is great, but our defense is right back to where it was, swarming and doing all the things. That guy Bland is very, very underrated back deep. And, yeah, I loved what we did defensively.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Now, we're going to get on next week. It's after the Sunday night game. It's 49ers-Cowboys, and I'll probably be miserable again. But yeah, I like that we weren't gouged by Stevenson. That's for sure. One thing I noticed about your defense is when the other team's quarterback throws it
Starting point is 00:16:22 right to your defense, they're pretty good. You hate it. Mac Jones. Yeah. I'm out. I'm completely out. I can't come back.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Mac Jones, it's the win game in Buffalo that they won where he threw like one pass. He's 10 and 12. He's 25 TDs, 20 interceptions. And this is just since Brady left at the end of 2019. And we had that Cam Newton season
Starting point is 00:16:50 when he couldn't complete a pass that was longer than four yards. And then we have this quarterback who just went backwards, basically in eight game intervals to wherever he is now. It looked like, I don't want to say he gave up, but it looked like he was broken
Starting point is 00:17:06 by the beginning of third quarter. I was surprised he started the second half because it was like, this guy's done. He's not bringing them back. Then they brought him back for another one. He's one of the worst five QBs I watch every week. Wow. That's saying a lot.
Starting point is 00:17:22 That is saying a lot. Do you not agree? They haven't gotten to 20 points in four games. I. That's saying a lot. That is saying a lot. Do you not agree? Terrible ones. Wait, they haven't gotten to 20 points in four games. I think he's right. I'm not going to get up here and make a big deal out of Mac Jones being great. That's for sure. But I don't know that I could separate him from that mess that we watch in those 1 p.m. Eastern kickoffs.
Starting point is 00:17:40 That's for sure. But honestly, you look at him, blow your eyes, look at the New England receiving quartet or whatever more. These names are just awful and they don't get separation and they're not ever open.
Starting point is 00:17:57 And Mac Jones is what he is. But by the way, nobody ever said you should have the best quarterback in all of football every day of your life. For my whole life, yeah life after 30 years old. You know? I know.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And here's another little secret. I think your coach sucks a little bit. I really do. Well, I think that's the discussion that's going to start this week about. Here's. I think Patriots fans do everything they can to blame everyone else but Belichick. And I get it. I know why.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I know why. Because you're holding on to the past and everything else. But he is really... I think the game has passed him by. He surrounds himself with losers, basically, but on purpose so that when they go on to fail, he looks better. I just don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:37 And it doesn't work anymore because he doesn't have Tom Brady. I didn't want him to go down like this. I was texting somebody tonight about how it's like if Seinfeld had just kept going past the 10th season like six more seasons and Julia Louis-Dreyfus left and they replaced her with like Margaret Cho
Starting point is 00:18:56 and then Michael Richards left and they replaced him with like Doug Stanhope and it was just hey it's still Seinfeld. But it's like, nah, this isn't Seinfeld anymore. And the writing just got worse and worse and worse. And people are like, nah, it's still Seinfeld.
Starting point is 00:19:12 It's going to come back. And it's just not going to come back. And we're now four years since Brady. And that last Brady season wasn't fun either. But I can't really refute the Belichick stuff. The team is so sloppy.
Starting point is 00:19:28 They do the dumbest things at the worst possible times. They have terrible turnovers. They don't protect the ball. From a game plan standpoint, I don't understand why we weren't running the ball down your throats. Why Max even that involved? And I just can't remember the last time
Starting point is 00:19:44 I watched a crisply, crisply coach Patriots game. And he's got what? Two family members on his staff. Right. It's the NFL. It's like, why aren't you getting the best coaches?
Starting point is 00:19:55 I, I hate the nepotism thing. I hate, I, you know, I hate that thing. I think he's going to have been for a real tough week this week, because this is like rock bottom for this franchise post Brady.
Starting point is 00:20:07 They're one and three. And if you look at the schedule, it's hard to imagine them getting six. I thought they were going to cover and possibly win today because their defense had been that good. But then Gonzalez gets hurt. I'm not sure when he's coming back. Judon's out for at least three months. Those were the two best players in the defense.
Starting point is 00:20:22 So you look at that and then you look at an offense that can't score. And a coaching staff that seems like it's a step behind. I was thinking like I wrote down the bleakest AFC team. And this I wrote down before the Jets game. It's Vegas, the Jets, Denver, and the Pats. Now you would
Starting point is 00:20:39 take the Jets off. At least there's like signs of hope. Denver is a mess. Vegas, the Pats might have the weakest future in the AFC. Do we tank? What do we do? I think eventually you're going to get angrier and angrier with Belichick.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I think it's going to be evident that he's the problem there. I can't get angry. No, you will. You make fun of fantasy, but you're probably about six weeks away from tweeting the same thing. I can't. Belichick is an oracle. Or Ben is going to get on your Twitter somehow and he's going to Bill, you make fun of fantasy, but you're probably about six weeks away from tweeting the same thing. Belichick is an oracle. Or Ben is going to get on your Twitter somehow, and he's going to tweet that. Belichick is a loser. Listen, when James Babydoll Dixon lost his fastball, we stayed with him.
Starting point is 00:21:18 We didn't turn on him. Is that true? We accepted the situation for what it is. When he started vacationing 20, 25 weeks a year, did we turn on him? No, we still love him. We still text him. We still love him. We make fun of him. We still let him get involved in our business from time to time.
Starting point is 00:21:34 That's true. We didn't give up on him. He did too many good things for us. You're right. They kind of have the same personality too, so I know what you're saying. Abrasive. One and the same. Well, I wrote't know. Yeah, and they kind of have the same personality, too. So I know what you're saying. Yeah. Abrasive. One and the same. Well, I wrote this down.
Starting point is 00:21:52 Zach Wilson for Mac Jones, question mark. Ooh. Which team says no faster after tonight? No, seriously. If you're the Jets, would you take Mac Jones for Zach Wilson? Like five days ago, you would have. But right now, what do you do? I was going to do this to you with Josh Dobbs, but I guess Zach Wilson? Like five days ago you would have, but right now, what do you do? I was going to do this to you with Josh Dobbs, but
Starting point is 00:22:08 I guess Zach Wilson. I would throw in a third round pick with Zach Jones. Would you really? Yeah. Josh Dobbs is solid. Oh, Mac needs to go. It's just going to get worse. 12-21, 150, two interceptions.
Starting point is 00:22:23 You forgot about the strip sack fumble. Strip sack fumble for a touchdown. Two interceptions and a strip sack. That was fun too. Oh man, it was all so much fun. Listen, believe me, I think about this too. And when Drew Holiday signed today, I was like, oh shit,
Starting point is 00:22:37 if the Cowboys blow out the Patriots, I lose Simmons. It's October 1st and I already lost him for the year. He's not going to like football. And then I'm like, I don't care. It'll be fun to blow him out. But I was looking at how long we've been doing this. 11, 2016, you win. 15, 30-6, you win. 19, 13-9, you win.
Starting point is 00:23:11 21, we beat you in overtime, 35-29. Didn't even feel like a win. It was just a relief. And then today, let me have one of these once in a while. Come on. Give me a break. Over 15 years. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Here's what I have. Here's why I got really sad about that. Because today started out great. The Drew Holiday trade drops out of nowhere. Watching the London game, watching you guys on Wise Guys, all of a sudden we get Drew Holiday. It's like, this is a great day.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I put down a couple more bets. I'm like, this is my day. I go 0-5 in million dollar picks. The Belichick era ends. And I got really sad for like five minutes. And then, then I went and I'm like, you know what? I have the DVDs, the six titles of all the Blu-rays and the DVDs. I have that. I have, I have like books that were written about the Pats, like Seth Wickersham, Better to be Feared.
Starting point is 00:24:07 There's this Belichick autobiography. I have this page two column that somebody printed out and Tom Brady autographed. This is what I have now, the memorabilia from a really nice run that's now over. You know what? That's what losers do. They reminisce.
Starting point is 00:24:26 They sit home and reminisce. Yeah. It's like, what's the lowest form of conversation is remember when? Welcome to the Patriot Station. Is that what? That's what Tony Soprano said that, right?
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Starting point is 00:26:15 there might be a two. So let's give him a one. Zach Wilson was a zero heading into today, and we all thought this was going to be his last start. Now it's like, all right, there's some stuff there. Collinsworth had three orgasms. Maybe there's hope. So maybe the Jets fans are like a two, two and a half.
Starting point is 00:26:35 So this is what I mean week to week. Let me stop you. You don't think there's a universe where Mac Jones could have a game like Zach Wilson had today so that could lift you to a two or a three. I mean, come on. These quarterbacks every other week. There's something like the Tannehill, like Tennessee was just,
Starting point is 00:26:50 I don't know. God, I don't see it. I don't see it. You know what? What other teams are just real, really bad. Then I'm going to read you.
Starting point is 00:26:57 I'm going to read you more quarterbacks. Tell me their fans confidence, what you think it is. Desmond Ritter. I mean, to me that Desmond Ritter. I mean, to me, Desmond Ritter, Mac Jones, the same. Three. Three, four. I'm going to say lower.
Starting point is 00:27:11 I'm going to say two. Them not getting Lamar gets worse every week. Yeah, that was less confident in their organization. But, yeah. Kenny Pickett. Really low. Really low. I feel like two or three. We wait two and a half hours for him to come up with something big. I knew when I was doing all my futures this year,
Starting point is 00:27:31 I was like, that's stuff I like. It doesn't feel right. We even talked about it. It doesn't totally feel right this year. And I was like, who's going to be? It's maybe the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:27:41 And I got all excited about them. And Pickett just looks terrible. I mean, Pickett looks as bad as Mack. And from the advanced stats, he's actually, I think, worse. And their offensive coordinator, I think now that Patricia is out,
Starting point is 00:27:54 I think he's the single worst offensive coordinator. Their plays, you can call them from the couch. It's like, oh, I wonder what they're going to do here on this third and one. Is it going to be Najee Harrison
Starting point is 00:28:03 at nine guys? Or the play where the slow play action where Kenny Pickett takes forever and then he gets sacked or hit? It's awful. But that's what gets me crazy. Mike Tomlin's going to go down as one of the greatest head coaches ever. He doesn't have to keep the offensive coordinator around unless he thinks it makes him look better.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Like, wow, I'm pulling these games out in spite of the worst play calling of all time. Dude, third quarter, they're down 16-0. They're getting their asses kicked by the Texans. I had the Steelers, and I was just like, Texans coming off a really nice win last week. This is a perfect going-backwards spot for them. Steelers need it.
Starting point is 00:28:40 I trust the Steelers' defense. Texans' offensive line, no. Texans look great again. We can talk about them in a second, but 16-0 third quarter. It's fourth and four, and the Steelers bring out the field goal team, and they're on the 25.
Starting point is 00:28:58 You guys aren't going to get to 20 points. You can't settle for three. If you can't make this fourth and four, you don't serve to win the game anyway. They just have no confidence in anything. I thought Salah did the same thing tonight. Oh, he did. But it was against the Chiefs who were
Starting point is 00:29:13 not done scoring. But yeah, you're right. How about what do you have for Howell on Washington? I don't know. I feel like that guy doesn't have a chance. He does sling it sometimes, which makes me think maybe there is something there, but really,
Starting point is 00:29:29 really crappy offensive line. He really ambushed every other play, so he drops back. Five, five, six. Yeah, I think he's a five
Starting point is 00:29:38 because like, so that Eagles-Washington game, and I said before I had the Chiefs and the Eagles, I never do this but I had so much confidence about it
Starting point is 00:29:47 I teased parlayed them with a bunch of games and freaking the Phillies just going down for the game winning field goal and they
Starting point is 00:29:55 they throw it deep to A.J. Brown who catches it for a touchdown and then fucking taunts the Washington guy just classic
Starting point is 00:30:03 and it wasn't even that good of a taunt. Like if you're going to taunt him, like if it's going to be a 15-yard penalty, like stand over him and swing your balls in his face. Like really earn the 15 yards. Did this like quick, put the ball next to him. So of course the NFL treats that like it's a horse collar
Starting point is 00:30:19 where you blew out both knee ligaments of the running back or something. 15 yards. Like God forbid that had 5, 10, 15. So all of a sudden, they're kicking off and Washington has the ball, like they're on 40. And I'm sitting there going, are you fucking kidding me? And I was actually a little bit scared of Sam Howell.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Yeah. So that makes me think he might be better than some of these other guys because I would not have been scared of Ritter or Mack Jones or whoever. But I was like, How how can kind of run around and buy time and... Against the Eagles defense. Yeah, sure. So then they score, they get the touchdown
Starting point is 00:30:52 on the fourth and 10 because God forbid, these defenses, they run these plays where it's fourth and 10. The other team has scored a touchdown and somehow it's one cornerback by himself against the receiver and one of the sides and the guy just stops and turns around he's wide open yeah but that's the play every time like guys that's the side the righty to the side the righty is rolling out we know we know where the ball's
Starting point is 00:31:14 going but whatever so then Rivera who I think went into a coma he goes for one yeah it's like you're this is a miracle you have a 50 chance to win the game you're... This is a miracle. You have a 50% chance to win the game. You're not going to beat them in overtime so they don't get it. You got to drop the Riverboat name. You're done with the Riverboat. If you don't go for two there on the road, you have to give it
Starting point is 00:31:37 to somebody else. He's like the Riverboat where they had that huge brawl two months ago in Mississippi or whatever where they had all the camera angles. He's that river boat now. Where are you on fields? What do you think the confidence meter is? He was amazing for two and a half quarters today. I didn't
Starting point is 00:31:53 have a lot of the game on. I was just watching the red zone highlights and it seemed like it was like, oh my God, he's going to have 400 yards and 100 rushing yards. And then of course they blow a 21 point lead. Fascinated by it because Denver scored first and I was like, you know what? Chicago's a team that sucks and they're not going to get in anyone's way and I'm
Starting point is 00:32:10 going to live bet Denver. So I do that and then Chicago comes back and now they have like a 28-7 lead. I'm like, all right, I'm going to live bet Chicago minus six and a half with five other things that of course would look good. But Fields never had a 300 yard game
Starting point is 00:32:25 and he had 263 at half and ended up with 335 and then like well this is a terrible terrible like a legendarily bad secondary in denver so this is why he's putting up the points i can't i want to i want to root for the guy but if you look at any advanced metrics and I know you talked to Lombardi. He really is rock bottom. That's sad. But confidence-wise, three. I'd go lower. I'd probably be one and a half. But they could move on.
Starting point is 00:32:53 They're going to get the first two picks of the draft. They could at least move on. These other teams you mentioned are stuck. There was a thing today. There was an article about how Carolina is trying to find a number one receiver. Cause they, it's not like they can go. Oh,
Starting point is 00:33:08 and 17 or two and 15 or whatever. Cause they don't have their first round pick. So the menace will try to get better where this is a weird one, but where are you on Jimmy G these days? Cause I thought Aiden O'Connell had some good moments. He fucked up on the, on the game time drive, but I almost,
Starting point is 00:33:24 that, that was just a weird play and it seemed like he misread the defense or something. But I thought for the most part, took some big hits. I liked his throws. I thought there was a fearlessness to him. And I think I'm if I'm the Raiders, I'm going
Starting point is 00:33:37 nowhere anyway. Like, why wouldn't you just want to play O'Connell over Jimmy G? He's got six picks in three games, Jimmy G. I think that's exactly what Josh McDaniels was thinking, right? He could have gone with Hoyer, but he went with O'Connell. He could have gone for it on fourth down last week against the Steelers, but they kicked the field goal. There's no confidence in Jimmy G.
Starting point is 00:33:58 We're not going to see a guy with a concussion the week before come back the next week. It hasn't happened since, I think think week five or six last year. That's like an unwritten rule. Yeah. I think they should go with O'Connell. I played. And I thought they could have stolen that Chargers game. And once
Starting point is 00:34:14 again, our guy, Brandon Staley, he just can't fucking help himself. It's like once a game, he's almost like we both had sons in that 7 to 9 range 7 to 9 year old range when they start testing you
Starting point is 00:34:30 they start doing shit and it's kind of like how far can I push dad and then deep down they're thinking like I might be able to kick his ass right now if I punch him in the balls and they just become irrational confidence that's Brandon Staley as an NFL head coach he's like maybe I'll just go for this again.
Starting point is 00:34:48 This drives the fan base crazy, and I might get fired if it doesn't work, but I just can't help myself. I'm Brandon Staley. I'm going to do it. Dying to get fired, dying to get, like you said, suspended or grounded or something. And it's funny. It's like if someone was dropped from Mars right when they go for it on fourth and one, right before they line up and said to me, oh, what should they do here?
Starting point is 00:35:09 And I'd press pause and I'd be like, I don't know what they should do, but you're about to see what they shouldn't do. Ready? I'm going to play it right now. All right. And then the announcer's like, well, Herbert, here's the thing with fourth and one with Herbert. He's got the bad left hand. They just iced it down for 20 minutes. So he's not going to be under center. Oh, look, he's under center. Okay. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:29 All right. So, of course, he can't take a snap or whatever. They get stopped. It's so good. He's so bad. He's so bad. The Raiders had a D-line get kicked out in that game. They fell way behind. And Staley just can't help himself.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Where are you on Cousins right now, confidence meter? He killed me last week. He really did. Not getting a playoff in 25 side. That seemed like this is what you would expect from the Josh Dobbs and the Aiden O'Connells of the world.
Starting point is 00:36:01 I don't know what to think of that team. I really don't. I had so much high hopes. They covered today. Plus 320. They won and covered because it was a defensive play, really, right? I mean, I know they had one against them, too, but I don't know. You can't. And he was like the highest scoring fantasy player.
Starting point is 00:36:17 He had the most yards passing, and then he did nothing today. If you have like Addison, you get nothing out of him. I don't know. I feel like they should put up 35 a game with that offense. Don't have confidence. Tua? Well, we took a lot of shit. He was at 10 heading into the week. Yeah. And I don't think you read the replies on, and I'm probably making a mistake saying that I do, but people are really mad that we didn't give Miami props for their 70-point performance last week. And maybe we were right to skip it.
Starting point is 00:36:52 I never gave up like a quarter in. I don't know. It's like watching a college game where one team is really good and the other team is about to fire their coach. I'm not going to be a reactionary. He's still a seven or an eight. The confidence to me is still with him staying healthy.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Well, so that was what I noticed today. Well, he had a couple bad throws too. I thought they harassed him. But there were a couple times where he hit him where he just kind of stopped you watching it stop breathing for a split second. Like, is he going to get up?
Starting point is 00:37:27 That was the first game so far this season. I was like, oh, we got nailed on that one. What happened? We forgot to mention this talking about Buffalo. They lost White for the season. Tredavious, right. He had Achilles and you could kind of tell right away from the way he was reacting, but that was
Starting point is 00:37:43 such a bummer because their defense, you know, was really looking good. They were about to get amazing with Von Miller coming back. So, yeah, that's rough. Hey, where are you on Watson now that because he didn't play, the Browns completely fell apart? Maybe like a six? Do Browns fans appreciate him now?
Starting point is 00:38:02 We have a friend who hates the Browns. Yeah. And I was like, you sure Watson wasn't the answer now after this? I said the same thing. Right. Honestly, just that team. I think maybe they weren't Super Bowl bound, but I thought they were very solid. They could have had like 12 wins with that defense.
Starting point is 00:38:21 And if they had Chubb and Watson, who was just okay. Just as good as one of the middle names that you just mentioned. I thought they were going to be okay. What's the ruling on million dollar picks when I take the Browns minus two and a half?
Starting point is 00:38:38 Watson out of nowhere gets scratched three days later and the line moves four and a half points. Should that be able to just scratch that off? Should that be a loss for me? Should there be a rule, if you're making picks on Thursday for anything and the starting QB gets scratched and the line moves four points or more, the bet is null? It seems relatively fair, right? Yeah. Well, I think you have to be honest with yourself. If Lamar had scratched,
Starting point is 00:39:06 would you have accepted it as a win? Well, yeah. I think that's fair. Okay. Yes. Then fine. You should get the whole place. I'm taking the loss, but it was such a bummer because I think that was my favorite pick. I was really excited about it and it just wasn't happening.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Can we talk about the Texans really quick? Because I think CJ Stroud would be a 9 or a 10 for Texans fans and the conference beater. They kind of kicked Pittsburgh's ass. That wasn't just, oh, Pickett didn't play well in Mac Canada. They gained twice as many yards. They had twice as many first downs.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Just eye test, because I had that game on the TV the whole time. Just receivers making plays. They always seemed like the ball was moving. They had a crazy pass rush. And I know the Steelers have a bad offensive line and it's a game on the road. So, you know, there's a couple reasons.
Starting point is 00:39:58 But I got to say, I think that might be the best AFC South team. Is that inconceivable? No. Is there a team you that inconceivable? No. Is there a team you like more than them? No. No, it's fine. I mean, I don't like getting caught up in these South conversations because everyone's 2-2, right?
Starting point is 00:40:13 No, we got to do it. All right, I know. Okay. All right. They got blown out by the Ravens. That was a crappy game to start, right? 25-9. Then 31-20 to Colts.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah, but remember that 25-9, that game was close for like two and a half quarters. And then the Ravens pulled away. But they've just laid waste to these teams. They beat Jags by 20 and Steelers by three scores. Yeah, and it wasn't one of those typical games that the Steelers were going to get back into. You're right. The defense was great.
Starting point is 00:40:39 And Stroud is having an amazing, what, over 1,200 yards now through four games? Stroud's the only one who's done this? Yeah. Yeah. Very confident. So right now, oh man, they're still plus 480 on FanDuel. To win that division?
Starting point is 00:40:56 So if you go to the, I can't believe we're doing the AFC South. Somebody should be electrocuting us right now. Jacksonville's plus 150. Titans are plus 190. And they had a nice win today. The Titans are like, if they could just go up 10-3, the game's over.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And if they go down 13-3, the game's also over. It's like one of those teams. Houston's plus 480. Indy's plus 500. I watched that whole Indy Rams game because I had Indy in a tease. And I had Indy at million dollar picks.
Starting point is 00:41:23 They came roaring back. And I... Mike, I just... and I had and I had Indian million dollar picks they came roaring back and I Mike I just Richardson I just ow he's
Starting point is 00:41:33 really entertaining he has like five plays a game and you're like there it is man you fucking you're like giant Cam Newton
Starting point is 00:41:40 and then he'll sail wide a pass right over somebody's head every once in a while but I don't know I like the confidence there's a swagger
Starting point is 00:41:48 and an aura to him I'm in on that team and they went up against Pekunic Chua and that was that that was a fun game they lose the coin toss the Rams go all the way down they never even get the ball on OT that was that
Starting point is 00:42:03 yeah the south is weird who would have thought That was that. Yeah, the South is weird. Who would have thought? That was my rat game of the week. Tennessee, Cincinnati. I was like, they're begging you. Two weeks in a row, Cincinnati was laying two and a half. Two and a half to the Rams. They win Monday night. They're doing it again. Fandle giving away
Starting point is 00:42:19 free money. I was like, no way. This can't be, but I'm also not taking the Titans. And then they just smoked the crap out of him. We haven't talked about the Bengals, but they look they really just, are they the worst? And I know he's banged up, but are they the worst playoff team from last year? It's probably the Giants.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Giants, Bengals, Vikings. Those three? It's not the guy who had Tom Brady that left, you would think. It would be Tampa Bay. It's not. But the had Tom Brady that left, you would think. It would be Tampa Bay. It's not. But the thing is, if we're going to
Starting point is 00:42:48 put Burr on one leg, basically, which is how he's played the first four weeks. Yeah. And he, you'd think he was worth five, six wins
Starting point is 00:42:58 for them last year, whatever. He was one of the five best QBs, and now he's not. And it seems like their defense is worse. Doesn't seem like they're as tough. I'm not crossing
Starting point is 00:43:07 them off yet though. I think if you're giving me Bengals, Giants, or Vikings, what team could I see roaring back? I would say Bengals because of the conference and because Burrow get healthier and healthier. There's no way. I mean, they've had... I wrote this down. They've had 49 points
Starting point is 00:43:23 in four games. So they definitely might suck. And Joe Burrow is definitely 100% of fantasy serial killer. He's just gone across the country like Ted Bundy. But I don't know. I find it hard to believe they're just going to average 12 points a game for the entire season. They're going to score 200 points this year. We don't have to cross them off because like you said, the 7 seed
Starting point is 00:43:46 could be 8-9 or 9-8. They just have to go on a decent run the rest of the way. I talked to TJ Hushmanzada. I don't want to drop names. I was like, what is it like when the D-backs know you have to cut your route?
Starting point is 00:44:01 You can't do fly patterns because Joe Burrow can't let it sling it downfield. It's like your whole game plan is screwed up. There's nothing you can do for that. Unless Mixon's going to break tackles or something,
Starting point is 00:44:15 that offense is... Now, they shouldn't be putting up three against the Titans. That's ridiculous. But yeah, there's definitely... So they've had... They played four games and they've gotten their asses
Starting point is 00:44:24 completely kicked in two of them., they played four games and they've gotten their asses completely kicked in two of them. Pittsburgh's played four games and they got their asses completely kicked in two of them. Not a good sign. It's not good to be through week four and 50% of the time. The Pittsburgh's had the history of they just kind of, for whatever reason, just get better and better as the season goes along. Right. But Bengals, they might suck. of a reason just get better and better as the season goes along. Bengals,
Starting point is 00:44:47 they might suck. T. Higgins out too now for a little bit? I knew it. When I was trying to figure out the season in August and early September, and I was like, seven teams aren't going to make the playoffs. This is what happens every year, and I can only get to four. I'm like, oh man, I'm not
Starting point is 00:45:03 seeing the season right. It's seven every year and I can only get to like four and I'm like, oh man, I'm not seven of last year's playoff teams. Yeah, it's seven every year, right? So already we know the Giants, the Vikings, Bengals might not make it, but you go through and you're going to get your seven. Yeah, other than that, Eagles, Washington.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Can I just say something about the Eagles? Do you see enough from, do you get concerned about them yet or no? Yeah, it's concerning that they're 4-0 and they still need to get their shit together, it seems. Right. It's like a bad 4-0. It's weird. I don't think the Eagles fans feel good about it.
Starting point is 00:45:39 Right. And they look great Monday night, and then they come back, and the team that beat them last year, you'd think they'd have a chip on their shoulder, but they really didn't. But can we just talk about the Hurts shove or the Tush push? I know it's legal and everything.
Starting point is 00:45:52 They're banning it. I know they should ban it. No, it's just like it's emasculating. If you're Jalen Hurts, do you want to be like, all right, hey, you could probably do this yourself, but we're going to push you, all right? We're going to shove you. And then when you go back to pass, we're going to push you, all right? We're going to shove you. And then when you go back to pass, we're going to sling your arm forward for you too.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Where does it end? I'd be emasculated if I were him. I'm not saying it's illegal or anything. I'm glad they have it working for them, but I would feel like a sissy. I hate the tush push. Get that the fuck out. That place should be banned and now other teams are trying it
Starting point is 00:46:28 you know what what's going to happen is somebody's going to like break their back during the tush push and then we're going to all go oh wow we shouldn't do this anymore
Starting point is 00:46:35 right and now quarterbacks are pushing running backs who did that today was that Howell no there was a quarterback it was a good quarterback I think
Starting point is 00:46:41 that actually like pushed a running back like well the Eagles are shoving each other. They ran a different version of the tush push where Kurt Spake, the tush push, came out and then Gainwell pushed
Starting point is 00:46:51 him anyway. Right, right, right. He needs to be pushed. I don't think their offensive line looks like it did last year is my big thing I've noticed. And they're also slow in the linebackers, which we knew heading into the year. And it seems like
Starting point is 00:47:07 if you can get enough time to throw, there's people open. But I'm surprised that... You lose coordinators, you lose guys, it's tough to repeat. And yet they're 4-0. So what are we talking?
Starting point is 00:47:19 I guess the last thing on my list was, before we do Guest Alliance, was there's some... This was McCaffrey's MVP game when he goes nuts in a game against a shit team and everybody goes McCaffrey, which it's almost a lock. He gets hurt now in one of the next two weeks. That's the McCaffrey history, right?
Starting point is 00:47:38 Like pulled hamstring, um, some sort of something, but it feels like any, I'd love to see the research of any time he has a game like the one today, what happens like the next week.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Next couple of weeks. If you want to keep watching McCaffrey do well, just don't mention MVP or anything with him. Just like, yeah, decent game for McCaffrey. Well, don't mention it at all
Starting point is 00:47:59 because he's not even acknowledged on the list here. He's not... He is not even top eight. Yeah, he's still 25-1 on FanDuel. Like Trevor Lawrence is ahead of him. My Hurts, 12-1. It's up to 8-1.
Starting point is 00:48:14 Pretty good. Pretty good. Josh Allen, plus 352, a 5-1, and then Mahomes, 5. Interesting. So the Josh Allen, that was my favorite offensive player of the year, 30-1. Yeah. But you can't my favorite offensive player of the year 30 to 1
Starting point is 00:48:26 yeah but you can't win the offensive player of the year and MVP right that's illegal I think they they banned that
Starting point is 00:48:35 but they could give it to a quarterback it's not it's not automatically a receiver a wide receiver or a running back so yeah
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Starting point is 00:49:23 Just search Movember. All right, we're going to do a little guess the lines. I have not beaten Sal this year. It's 2-0-2. Sal's team completely annihilated my real football team. Have we played each other in fantasy yet in either of our leagues?
Starting point is 00:49:40 I think you beat me twice. See, this is how little you care. I think you beat me in both leagues. I don't look at who I'm playing. I just look at the results guy., this is how little you care. I think you beat me in both leagues. I don't look at who I'm playing. I just look at the results guy. I just worry about my own team. What are the buy teams this week? We have four buys.
Starting point is 00:49:57 You're not going to miss, well, the Browns, the Chargers, the Seahawks, and the Bucs. Browns, Chargers. Not going to miss the Browns. I do feel like the Browns might have punted that game a little bit today because they knew they had the bye week coming up. Maybe Deshaun plays. If it's like week 17, they need to make the playoffs. But they're like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:50:13 Then we get an extra week off. Right. But they come back in two weeks. You think the Chargers try to punt it? I feel like the Chargers try to punt it every day. Well, ironically, without punting. But they are a little mess. Do you think the Chargers can fool Staley into
Starting point is 00:50:27 thinking they're playing this week? Like, how long before he realized? Exactly. All right, Brandon, so we'll see you there at the stadium at 9 o'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Thursday night. I'm so glad I'm traveling, and I'm going to miss this completely on Thursday night. It's in Washington.
Starting point is 00:50:46 And they're playing the Bears of Chicago. Is Al doing this game? I mean, is he scheduled to do this game? I think Al might come up with a fake. Like he has appendicitis or. Right, right, right. I don't know. Maybe a COVID.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Some sort of excuse not to go. Why would he want to go to this? I mean, he's made a shitload of money. He's in his early 80s. He could be in the golf course playing with Doc Rivers. He's going to go do Sam Howell versus Justin Fields with Herbstreet. I miss you. I'll do this game for you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:51:18 You just stay home. You should have been there when Zach Wilson completed three straight passes. It was... I wanted to use your miracle line there, You should have been there when Zach Wilson completed three straight passes. I wanted to use your miracle line there, but I don't know if it was appropriate. I have a... Man, this game's almost in the John Oaks zone. Teams that should never be favored by seven points or more. I have it right underneath. I have Washington favored by six over Chicago on Thursday night.
Starting point is 00:51:45 We both get it. We both got that. I swear it on my kids. Minus six it is. It was five and a half and moved to six. Don't say the word teaser. It better not be coming out before the next game. Nobody is allowed to tease this game.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Okay. Nobody. Not one person. Don't even watch with one eye. Yeah. We have a London game this week. Nobody. Not one person. Don't even watch with one eye. Yeah. We have a London game this week. Yeah. The Jaguars,
Starting point is 00:52:10 the Kings of London, they're back after their couldn't have been less exciting win over Atlanta today, which Wise Guys was going head to head and I guarantee Wise Guys was more entertaining.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I had the two TVs going. So much more fun to see. That's very nice. That's very nice. I had the two TVs going. So much more fun to see how it's very nice. Jags playing the Bills. Yeah, I have the Bills by seven and a half. I said four and a half. It's only five and a half. Yeah, Vegas.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Big let that could be big letdown, right? I mean, Jags have the advantage here. Having spent the they're going to stay the week. And the Bills are very excited to have beat up on the Dolphins. Why would they get up for this game? I'm telling you now, I like the Jags.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I like them. I don't even like them, but I like them. What happened to the Jags offense this year? Bizarre to watch. Like, you traded Ridley in one of our leagues. I know.
Starting point is 00:53:04 You just, like, traded him to Lewis. That's found as Lewis. Hold on. I got Devontae Williams who could be out for maybe the year. It was a good trade. Son of a bitch. Damn you, Lewis.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Everyone was talking about the Jags and the Lions as these amazing offenses. The Lions look like they actually might have a pretty amazing offense. The Jags, no. I have... Oh, yeah. So you won that one. Sunday marquee.
Starting point is 00:53:36 So there isn't really a marquee game. By default, I did Eagles at the Rams because I think we have... Wow, was that the best? Really? No. Yeah, there's one other one that I kind of liked, but just in terms of entertainment value, because I think we probably have
Starting point is 00:53:57 two more fun weeks with the Rams before Stafford gets hurt. He got hurt today and he was just limping around like he was snake-plissking at the end of Escape from New York and somehow pulled off a game-winning drive. But, you know, they have like eight good players.
Starting point is 00:54:13 And at some point, they're going to pass the point and no return. But they're actually pretty fun. They're well-coached. McVay seems really locked in. Somehow they're 2-2. We were talking about them as a possible worst record team before the year. And the Eagles,
Starting point is 00:54:29 I'm just really interested in because I can't get a handle on them. I think I've watched every snap of an Eagles game this year and I don't know what the fuck's going on. I have all their skill guys in one of our leagues. So I'm like all in on their offense
Starting point is 00:54:43 and they look terrible. They look terrible. Then all of a sudden, A.J. Brown for 40 yards on their offense and they look terrible. They look terrible. Then all of a sudden, A.J. Brown for 40 yards. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Oh, Devonta Smith for 26. And there's just like no rhyme or flow or anything to it.
Starting point is 00:54:54 But this game's in LA and I had the Eagles favored by three and a half. There's a bet, by the way. So there's two winless teams and two undefeated teams left. So you can bet on Fandle, which will remain winless or which and two undefeated teams left. So you can bet on Fandle, which will remain winless
Starting point is 00:55:06 or which will remain undefeated longer. So that's a good one to look at if you want to. Oh, man, now I can't find it. I would bet on the winless. I'll get it. Who do you think is going to stay winless longer, Bears or Panthers? I think there's a real chance the Bears might not win for a while. Bears are plus 130.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Panthers are minus 165. On the defeated side, Eagles are minus 160. Niners are plus 125. No, that Eagles aren't happening. Can I give you the Bears' schedule? Yeah. You know what? They're going to get a win.
Starting point is 00:56:05 They have Minnesota and Vegas at home in week six and seven. Yeah, yeah. teams aren't as bad as you would hope for betting purposes. They're going to Carolina. So one of the reasons we all like the NFC South for, you know, maybe having higher wins than we, because they were playing the AFC South, the AFC South is better than the NFC South, I think. So like Carolina's own for their next two games are at Detroit at Miami. Then they're home for Houston and Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:56:26 They're probably not going to be favored for either of those games. They're at Chicago, Dallas, at Tennessee, at Tampa, at New Orleans, home Atlanta, home Green Bay, at Jacksonville, at Tampa. They might not be favored again this season. Oh, no. Well, a lot of the 0-4 teams, that's what happens with 0-4 teams. They don't make them favored. But Chicago will be favored over Carolina on the Thursday night game at Chicago. That's what happens with 0-4 teams. They don't make them favorite. But Chicago will be favorite over Carolina
Starting point is 00:56:45 on the Thursday night game at Chicago. That'll be like Chicago Thursday the 9th, November 9th. So yeah, I don't think Carolina is favorite again. I would say maybe they're a better bet for the undefeated. Alright, so for Eagles
Starting point is 00:57:02 Rams, I had the Eagles by 3.5 at the Rams. I said 4 and a half. It's five and a half right now. Oh, that's too high. Yeah, they'll play good defense, won't they, the Rams? Yeah. You know, the Rams, Donald's playing really well this year.
Starting point is 00:57:23 He's kind of all over the place again. He's having one of those throwback years. When did that get... Did they get cut back this week, though? Is it this week? I thought they put him on the IR for the first four weeks. Oh. So, man, you put...
Starting point is 00:57:35 Is he going to disrupt their flow? I don't know. I don't know. Puka's going to have 200 catches this season. Yeah. Somehow got wide open for the game winner. All right. I have one watchable game.
Starting point is 00:57:46 Chiefs at Minnesota. Just not a great game, but just the definition of watchable. I would definitely watch and enjoy every ounce of this game. And I have the Chiefs favored by five in Minnesota. I said five. Also, it's six. So we both get that.
Starting point is 00:58:03 It's so funny because you say one watchable, and you're probably right. But when the NFL made the schedule, that was supposed to be a good game, right? Baltimore-Pittsburgh was supposed to be a good game. We haven't even talked about. New Orleans-New England was probably supposed to be good. Yeah. Jets-Denver was a Nate Hackett game with Rodgers. That was supposed to be good.
Starting point is 00:58:23 You won't mention that for another 10 minutes. It's weird how they fall apart, these matchups. So, watchables. I just said Chiefs-Vikings. I have four fairly watchables. Titans-Colts. I'm not sure this is a loser-leaves-town match, but I do think if the Colts...
Starting point is 00:58:47 If the Colts lose this game, maybe this season starts going the other way on them a little bit. I have the Titans favored. So last week we talked a lot about what do we call these minus one and a half games and came up with different names. And then there was a lot of people on Twitter and got
Starting point is 00:59:03 some emails about it. And a couple of people suggested the Tic Tac Zone. I like that. Because they used to run those Tic Tac. Yeah. Cause they, so in the eighties, they had these Tic Tac commercials and it was one and a half calories.
Starting point is 00:59:19 So I did a whole thing at the beginning of Million Dollar Picks. And I'm like the Tic Tac Zone, I'm staying away, no minus one half. And then three minutes later, I took the Colts minus one and a half over the Rams. It was almost like a Saturday Night Live sketch. I didn't even realize I was doing it as I was doing it because I really like the Rams and the line move.
Starting point is 00:59:34 People say the Reno Zone, because we call it the Vegas Zone. Reno Zone was kind of fun. I didn't mind that one. Tic Tac's perfect. It's right on. Tic Tac Zone is great. So are you saying this is one and a half? Yeah, I have Titans minus one and a half over the Colts in. Tic Tac's perfect. It's right on. Tic Tac Zone is great. So are you saying this is one and a half?
Starting point is 00:59:45 Yeah, I have Titans minus one and a half over the Colts in the Tic Tac Zone. You're exactly right. That's exactly right. You Tic Tac'd it up. One and a half. Amazing stuff. That's a tough one. Tough one.
Starting point is 00:59:56 So would you put Raven Steelers in the watchables? Because if you say yes, then you haven't actually watched no I you want at least two of the quarterbacks to be watchable you want both right right so you don't get that here
Starting point is 01:00:15 so I have Ravens by three and a half in Pittsburgh oh man you got that exact two I said three you think that goes up by three and a half in Pittsburgh. Oh, man. You got that exact two. I said three. You think that goes up? I think there's... Did you see that quote Tomlin had after the game?
Starting point is 01:00:34 I don't know. When they were like, do you expect any changes next week, Mike? And he's like, you better believe we're going to have changes. Ooh.
Starting point is 01:00:40 He's like, one of those. I think it's going to be an old school Mike Tomlin I'm fucking pissed week. Well, what more could he do if he's not calling plays other than call plays? I can't believe I'm saying this. Honestly, they have both of lightning hit me
Starting point is 01:00:58 and just strike me dead. Are we sure they're not better off with Trubisky? No, of course we're not sure. They had the worst QBR in the league last week. Pickett's been awful. And this is now a four-game sample size of him really being terrible, except for that 171-yard pass to George Pickens.
Starting point is 01:01:19 Pickens, yeah. And I don't think Trubisky's good either, but at least maybe you could, for one game against the Ravens, roll them out and do some stuff, or maybe play both of them. I don't know what the answer is. I also think they struck out with Najee Harris, too. I don't think I've ever seen that break a tackle. I don't think I've ever seen it.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Well, somehow Ramondre Stevenson has turned into him, too. So, Ravens minus three and a half. You got that. Yep. Okay. Four, four. Falcons, Texans in Atlanta. And I think before the year in mid-August, if you had shown me this game, I would have said, I bet that line's going to be like Falcons by seven.
Starting point is 01:02:01 Nope. It's borderline tic-tac zone. I'm not ready to go there yet. I'm going to say Falcons by two and a half over the Texans. Oh, come on. I'm supposed to believe you guessed three in a row exactly. I told you I guessed right before we came
Starting point is 01:02:15 on because I'd forgotten to guess. Maybe I should put no thought into this. You really did. I spent four minutes on these guesses. It was four minutes. It was 925. You said, or 825. You're like, you ready to record? I said, yeah. He's like, I forgot to guess the lines, which is an integral part of guess the lines. And then, so you took four minutes and we started at 830.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I got thrown off because I did a part one today. So that was usually when I guess the lines. I spent a half hour guessing the lines. And meanwhile, now I spent four minutes and I'm much better at it. Brandon Staley should try this. Just spend four minutes coaching the game instead of 30. Take a timeout. I worry about this game because I'm going to love Houston.
Starting point is 01:02:50 I'm going to love them. I'm going to take them on a teaser plus eight and a half, and they're going to lose by 14. Did you see Johnnie Smith had like 95 yards receiving today and Kyle Pitts had 21 for the Falcons? Is that what it was? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:05 This Kyle Pitts thing isn't fun anymore. Now it's like awkward. Like the last couple years, like free Kyle Pitts. Now it's, I don't know what it is now, but he doesn't get the ball and he doesn't really do anything.
Starting point is 01:03:16 And that might be a terrible pick. Yeah. We really might have to be reconciling. Like they might have like really, really blown that pick. That was a pretty good draft. I was so mad at the Ritter thing. We were doing it, as you know, live on the Wise Guys, and
Starting point is 01:03:32 my big bet was Jacksonville under 11.5 first half. And I was fine. They had 10, and Atlanta had the ball with three minutes left, and he throws that pick six. That jerk. Yeah, but that's your fault. You know you shouldn't bet the Lending Game. I know, I know.
Starting point is 01:03:46 The Lending Game is a no bet. It's just a no bet. I know, but I'm thinking when certain dealers sit down across from the blackjack table and are standing and you're just like, I'm out.
Starting point is 01:03:54 But are you more of a loser if you wake up to watch it and don't have a bet on it? Aren't you more of a, as fantasy would say, I felt great today. I didn't have any action on it. I woke up at halftime
Starting point is 01:04:04 and I watched you guys and had it on a small TV. I had a great time. I didn't have any action on it. I woke up at halftime and I watched you guys and had it on a small TV. I had a great time. All right. I don't feel like I missed anything. Last fairly watchable. Dolphins-Giants. I have this in here
Starting point is 01:04:16 because I like watching the Dolphins offense and I think this might be a loser Leaves Town match for the Giants because they're going to lose to the Seahawks tomorrow night. And if they don't win this game, then they're going to be 1-4, and that's going to be a wrap for them, I think.
Starting point is 01:04:33 And they're probably, you know, they don't have their left tackle for this game. It doesn't look like they're going to have Saquon. It's a kitchen, it could be a kitchen sink game for them, potentially, if they don't have those guys next week. But I have the Dolphins by nine. I think they nudge it so that you can't tease it. I had seven.
Starting point is 01:04:50 I wouldn't move off the seven until seeing what goes on tomorrow. But it's nine and a half. You're right there. Wow, did I clinch already? No, it's six to four. Killing you. Six to four, I'm killing you. We got some.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Can't remember when you won. Jesus. I tied you twice, and then I got two on my own. I got the Philly one, and I got Jacksonville on my own. Poop Factor. If Mac Jones versus Derek Carr isn't a Poop Factor matchup, I don't know what is. This is in New England.
Starting point is 01:05:17 What is with that New Orleans team? I mean, people, I said on Wise Guys, I'm like, the one thing about them is you can't trust them. They can't score more than 20. They can't score more than six at home. Pathetic. And they had Kamara back today too. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:34 I had that game on for a good chunk today. What happened? Baker looks, I don't know. He looks kind of like he did three years ago again. I wonder, is it possible that he was just hurt the last year and a half? Well, yeah. He's got a little swagger back to him again.
Starting point is 01:05:54 I mean, it's not like they had a million points today, but I just like the way he was carrying himself. I guess you didn't have money on him Monday night against the Eagles because that soured me to a million. They're not supposed to beat the Eagles. In that game today, he was 25 for 32
Starting point is 01:06:09 for 246. He had three touchdowns. But they showed him on the sidelines a couple times. He was ordering people around. It just felt like he had his mojo back. I think he lost his mojo. Maybe that happened to Mac Jones. I have this game in the Tic-tac zones, Al. So, I have Saints by minus one and a half.
Starting point is 01:06:29 You got it. Oh, Saints one and a half. Oh, I got you. What is it? I said Patriots two and a half. It's Patriots one and a half. Oh, that's... Come on.
Starting point is 01:06:38 We shouldn't be favored over anybody. Did the Saints... The Saints did not impress you. Come on. We just lost Judon and... That was a garbage. We just lost Judon and Gonzalez. We have no D-backs left. We have one edge rusher now. You know what your team does with this stuff.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Talk about a kitchen sink game, right? This is really where you should hang it up. I think this has... No, I'm going the other way. I think this has a chance to be one of the saddest Boston games we've had in a while. Yeah. It's home game. The crowd is like on the edge with Mac.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Like two incompletions in the first quarter. The boos are going to start. It's going to be like Zach Wilson. Everybody's already moving on to the Celtics season. And this whole week in Boston, I know what it's going to be like. I lived there forever. It's going to be, should Belichick go? Should they fire him?
Starting point is 01:07:26 Should he retire? What are they going to do about Mac Jones? It's going to be the most negative sports radio week possible, newspaper week, and it should because they fucking look terrible. So I think that's going to be a miserable game. I think there's going to be empty seats. I think it's going to be awful. Really?
Starting point is 01:07:41 Wow. Yeah. It's going to be awful. Speaking of awful, I had your awful Red Sox over 78 and a half wins. 78 and a half. They ended up 78 and 64. I'm looking at their last, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:07:54 since August 27th. Right. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I think they went 12 and 22 or something. I needed half a game. What a piece of garbage. I know. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:08:09 We should not be favored in that game. The Saints will be favored in that game. Lions, Panthers, Poopfecta. I think the Panthers are an automatic Poopfecta unless they're playing like the Chiefs. I have the Lions favored by 10.5. All right, I get this. I saids. I have the lions favored by 10 and a half. Uh, all right.
Starting point is 01:08:27 I get this. I said nine, it's eight and a half. That's too late. Just like that. I'm tied. Let's go. I have,
Starting point is 01:08:34 I have some lions points cause I didn't, I, I finished my podcast on Thursday before that game. So I didn't get to talk about it. You know how much I love Gronk. Yeah. I mean, he's one of my top three favorite Patriots ever.
Starting point is 01:08:50 I fucking love Gronk. I fight anyone who doesn't think Gronk was the best tight end of all time. Laporta's a little Gronk-ish. He had two plays in that Packers game where I was like, oh my god, that looked like Gronk. That guy's a monster.
Starting point is 01:09:05 And they took Gibbs 12th. They got him in the second round, but that guy is like... I mean, he catches balls in traffic like Gronk did, but when they get Jameson Williams back, that offense might be pretty good. I also really... I thought their pass rush was another game where the pass rush
Starting point is 01:09:21 looked good. I'll fully admit, I think I missed on them. They have so much talent on both lines. Next to the Niners, you have to think they're the lock to clinch their division, right? Yeah. We've seen Minnesota. We've seen Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:09:35 I think they'd have to have a bunch of injuries, yeah. Yeah. No, but they're great, and defensively, too. I mean, Hutchinson's in on almost every play, right? Brian Branch is solid. They get sacks all over the place. It's funny. Every time they cut to Campbell, I have less confidence in them.
Starting point is 01:09:53 It's just that he's kind of the elephant in the room. I know everybody loves him and whatever, but it's just, you know. But yeah, if you look at them for the conferences, they're 9-1 in the NFC right now. And they are division-wise... They're a big favorite. I saw it earlier in the week. Yeah, they're a big favorite.
Starting point is 01:10:17 I almost think with Goff, he had that 383 attempts without an interception. Now he's thrown, I think, four in three games or something. Or three in three games. Yeah, he gets it out early. He just kind of rubs one out. But now he's like, I think he was worried about it. He just rubs one out. That's it.
Starting point is 01:10:34 He gets it out early. That's what I was going to say. That's exactly what I was going to say. Rubs one out. Wait, is that out? Okay. No, but I think he's like, fuck it. I got that dumb streak out of my system.
Starting point is 01:10:46 And now I'm just going to play football. Yeah. Bengals are at the cards. Good luck figuring out this line. I put this in the Tic Tac Zone too. I was Tic Tac friendly today. I had Bengals minus one and a half. No.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Don't tell me it's higher than that. Come on. It's four and it was. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. It's four and a half. I said four. It was five and a half.
Starting point is 01:11:15 Oh, my God. Yeah. That was a disgusting way the Cardinals didn't cover, right? That was, who was it? Ertz dropped the pass and then the other guy dropped just an easy touchdown pass. Should have covered today.
Starting point is 01:11:32 They were in that game. It was 21-16 and it felt like it's like they're doing it again. This is what, here we go. And then somehow they didn't even cover. They play well. I know someone in the organization is like, listen, I'm telling you, this locker room is different. They play for, they may take like a quarter off or something, but they really, they stand for something here.
Starting point is 01:11:51 And now that they announced that Kyler's not coming back and it's Dobbs' team, we might see, I don't know, maybe they'll settle down a little, play four quarters. Who do you know in the organization? Harry? Yeah, it's Harry. Yeah, Harry and Ken. I'm trying to think of people you know in Arizona. They sell weed brownies outside the stadium. It counts as being in the organization? Harry? Yeah, it's Harry. Yeah, Harry and Ken. I'm trying to think of people you know in Arizona. They sell weed brownies outside the stadium.
Starting point is 01:12:07 That counts as being in the organization. Jets, Broncos. I'm putting this above the tic-tac zone. I'm going to say Jets two and a half at Denver. Jets two and a half.
Starting point is 01:12:22 It's Denver three. It's Denver three. I had four and a half. It's Denver three. It's Denver three. I had four and a half. Denver's favored by three points over the Jets? Yeah. And I thought it would be more. Wow, Simmons, you really blew this. No, that just tells me I'm going to be betting on the Jets.
Starting point is 01:12:40 Me and Zach Wilson, we're back, baby. Oh, no. The Broncos are terrible. What are you talking about? They're awful. They have one of the worst defenses I've ever seen in my whole life. If ever Zach Wilson can have a good game, it's next week. Sure, but these are all interchangeable.
Starting point is 01:12:57 Yeah, but their defense is way better than any unit on the Broncos. You don't think? I guess so. See, the Jets, if they lose this game, their season's over. It's still Broncos by three? Yeah. Great. I like the Jets. And you got Nate Hackett,
Starting point is 01:13:14 private eye, involved too. Yeah, this is their revenge game. They're going to do this for Nate. He's going to dress like Goldmember and Austin Powers. You're going to bet the Bronmember and Austin Powers maybe that'll maybe that'll you're going to bet you're going to bet the Broncos this season once
Starting point is 01:13:28 yeah I told you I already bet them when they went up when they went up 7-0 I bet them today I lost that they stink
Starting point is 01:13:37 Sunday night 49ers Cowboys in San Francisco yeah I don't like this I have 49ers, Cowboys in San Francisco. Yeah, I don't like this. I have 49ers by four. I said I had that too, and it should be four. It's three and a half.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Hmm. You lost, buddy. You lost again. It's 9-7 right now. No, I didn't lose. I'll show you. It's 9-7. I'm going to get
Starting point is 01:14:05 three here. Isn't that one left? Three. This counts as three? Monday night. What are the nights? This counts as three. I just made that as a rule. Monday night is Vegas home for the Packers. Good luck.
Starting point is 01:14:21 This is another Tic Tac game and I don't even know who should be favored. I'll go with let's do Packers minus one and a half at the Reds. You got it exactly. I usually could have gone the other way too. Yeah. Jesus. 9-8, another win.
Starting point is 01:14:38 I take it, Jacoby. 3-0-2. Ridiculous. Can't believe it. You haven't beat me in 10 years. I know. Listen, the tide's turning here with the Cowboys and Patriots. You got Giroux. It's fine. Got you.
Starting point is 01:14:54 Listen, I would much rather have Giroux in a 2-15 pass season. Be great. I was on a couple should we just start tanking the season threads today and I got pretty excited about it. There's like three franchise quarterbacks. If you get a top five pick this year, you get a really good quarterback.
Starting point is 01:15:11 There might be more. There actually might be more. Who are your favorites? You watch college football every week. But you're excited about Mac Jones, too. Honestly, there's like four in the Pac-12, honestly. Caleb Williams. Pennix is great, too.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Bo Nix probably won't go as high for Oregon. Quinn Ewers for Texas is solid. There's some good ones out there. Drake May? May's all right. It's just about picking the right one. When we got Mac Jones with the
Starting point is 01:15:41 15th pick, because it seemed like he was going to go three and he fell to us. And it was like, this will be awesome. But he's just, I don't know when you're not good, you're not good. But I think that's the one thing,
Starting point is 01:15:54 like don't get excited when somebody falls anymore. Right. Like Kenny Pickett fell to the Steelers. Um, and maybe they shouldn't have even taken it. He would have fallen even further. But, um, so I don't know.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Is there a chance with either of those guys that the offensive lines have been bad for them? Because it does seem, I don't think that's true for Mac Jones as much because his decision making, you saw it. Like he should have had two more picks. But Pickett, it just doesn't seem like they can block for him at all.
Starting point is 01:16:22 And I do wonder like if they block better, would that change anything? I don't know. Maybe. I think it's the opposite problem, right? I think you guys block well, but your receivers don't get separation and the Steelers guys seem to be
Starting point is 01:16:34 open, but maybe pick it doesn't know how to scramble and buy himself another half a second. I would say we were probably, we block. Okay. I would go. Okay.
Starting point is 01:16:44 But the, they had that wide shot in the first quarter that the announcer was all over where they were like, Mac Jones has to throw the ball deep and they do the wide shot. And there were nine Cowboys. The Cowboys are basically in a goal line defense.
Starting point is 01:16:57 Right. And we had receivers spread out. And who is our announcer? Greg Olson? Yeah. Yeah. Greg Olson. And he's like, this is,
Starting point is 01:17:05 the Cowboys are basically daring Mac Jones to throw deep. They don't think his receivers can get separation. And I was watching going, well, they're right. Cause we can't get separation. This is how it's going to go. And right.
Starting point is 01:17:17 So, you know, who knows? What a glorious game. So much fun. Uh, all right. It's time for parent corner.
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Starting point is 01:17:50 All right. So you touched on the taunting thing. This whole thing started with the taunting thing. And what was A.J. Brown got called for taunting in the Eagles game and that allowed them to kick off further back towards their end zone and Washington came down and scored, sent it to overtime. So A.J. Brown, what did he do? He spun the ball, stared down the D-back, he beat, and then they throw the flag.
Starting point is 01:18:11 And so our friend Adam Carolla has a crazy rant on this, which I won't repeat, on why it shouldn't and doesn't bother the person who's being taunted. The person being taunted has seen enough in his life that this does not affect him. You don't think he's triggered and traumatized? No, right. By the way, what they're taunted in we see on hard knocks, they're taunted harder in the
Starting point is 01:18:36 variety show they have to put on as far as the hazing goes. Then there's your point of it too. You grab a guy by a face mask and fling him around the field for a minute, and it's the same penalty as spitting the ball and telling the guy he sucks. Yeah, you dive at Mahomes' legs. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 01:18:51 And he's out for the air, and it's like 15 yards. It's dumb. Yeah, it's football. So anyway, I was like, and I had mixed emotions because I hate the Eagles, but I also had them on a teaser that Joe House had. But overall, I think this is ridiculous. So I go, and I take an hour and I go to my son's flag football game.
Starting point is 01:19:09 And he's nine and it's a close game and a kid on his team who should not be scoring touchdowns scores a touchdown. And he's very excited and he spins the ball and then chest bumps my son after the play.
Starting point is 01:19:23 And the ref throws a flag. And I said, and I'm, you know, I'm not a coach or anything. I'm like, whoa, what's the flag for? Is the flag for the chest bump? And he's like, no, the flag is for spinning the ball. And I said, spinning the ball? And he's like, hey, I don't have to explain myself to you. I was like, all right, well, just give him a warning. I will handle this how I want to handle it. I'm like, all right, we'll just give him a warning. I will handle this how I want to handle it. I'm like, all right. I don't want to get thrown out of this game. It's a close game. And now he's talking to the kid. I'm like, this sucks for the kid. This is a big moment for him. He's not going to score another touchdown for the next seven years. And let's get on with the game
Starting point is 01:20:00 also. And after talking to him for about 10 seconds, the ref picks up the flag and waves is like, we're picking up the flag. I just warned them and it's not going to happen again. I was like, wow. You affected the game. I affected the game. So I'm telling parents out there, don't think that you're not heard out there. Be as vocal as you can. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's bad advice. But I'm just saying like, it's nice when the parents and the refs could have a cordial exchange and it results in the right decision. Wow. What a story. Yeah. Did you, they win or lose? They won. They won like a close game. It would have sucked if they had a kickoff deeper. I love nine year old, 10 year old, 11 year old flag football was the fucking
Starting point is 01:20:47 best. Yeah. It's so good. Like they barely know what they're doing, but then there's a couple of kids that know what they're doing and you know, you can get anything could be a 60 yard run. I really miss it. Um, my parent corner.
Starting point is 01:21:01 So my son had a, he had homecoming on Saturday night. The football game was Friday night. They had a really nice win, a nail-biter win. There's nothing, I think, more emotionally that puts you through the ringer more than a tight football game when your kid's out there. So he was playing, uh, he's playing both ways. We was playing free safety and we're down three and the other team's throwing and you're just watching going, please don't be the goat. Please don't be the goat. Please don't like read the wrong thing. So somehow they pull it out. So then he had homecoming next day and he's got this girlfriend now and they're going to the event, but they, she came over with her mom to take pictures cause they were dressed up. And for the first time in my entire relationship with my son, like I had him where it's like, I had to be on my best behavior. Like he was screwed. He was so nervous. I was going to make fun of him or to, you know, do something to fuck with them. And I could just see it was the first,
Starting point is 01:22:03 the, when he's almost going to be 16 in November. For 16 years, he's tortured me and my wife. And we're always like, oh my. And he's just like pushed the buttons and done everything. And this is the first time I was in the driver's seat. But I want you to know, I handled it really nicely. I was super pleasant. I didn't embarrass him. We took pictures and I didn't do one thing that would make him mad later. I didn't mess with him. It was kind of adorable, but I feel like I was a good wingman.
Starting point is 01:22:32 Did he acknowledge you afterwards? No, of course not. He was a total dick test today. You've been through this with Archie. There's something that swings where you're like, I could really fuck with my son right now and get him back for the
Starting point is 01:22:47 970 times he's embarrassed me in public, in front of the family, in front of my friends, all the things he's done over the years. I could just get revenge right now. Let me tell you, the picture thing for the prom, at least it was with Archie, the prom and homecoming
Starting point is 01:23:04 and all that is held in very high regard. I think Archie didn't even tell us about it one or two years and Melissa was upset. She's like, how dare you not tell? I wanted to be there for the pictures. But yeah, a weird thing comes over the kid with the pictures, with the prom and everything. You're right.
Starting point is 01:23:20 It's great. And especially like he's, it was the first time she'd been in the house. So it was all these ways to mess with him. So I was really proud of myself. What I should have done is invited nephew Kyle over.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Yeah, right. And Kyle could have done something to fuck with him. Yeah, urinate in the hallway or something. Yeah. Yeah, next time. But yeah, it was fun.
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Starting point is 01:24:05 slash infinity. Before we go, Drew Holiday trade, you have the Celtics as the favorite? That five is ridiculous now, right? It's pretty good. Feeling good. Better than the Bucs? Better than the Bucs.
Starting point is 01:24:21 I think it's those two and then there's a little bit of a drop off now depending on if Miami's kind of unproven guys can step up. But in the East it's
Starting point is 01:24:30 feels like that's what Russo and I talked about. It feels like we're lined up now for a real nine month battle with those teams. And then Miami is the wild card. Unless
Starting point is 01:24:39 there's a Cleveland piece maybe if Mobley goes up a level but he'd have to really jump. He'd have to become a pretty dominant two-way player. He still might be a little away. And then the West is a mess.
Starting point is 01:24:54 Yeah, it's all over the place. There's like 11 good teams in the West. If Drew Holiday starts dating Taylor Swift, will we have a podcast where it's me, you, Nathan, and Rosillo? That's my dream, if we can get that together. We do need one of the... It does seem like that's part
Starting point is 01:25:12 of the recipe now, is somebody on your team has to have a famous relationship or something like that. We have Tatum's kid as kind of a cult hero in Boston. Everybody loves Deuce. Deuce is now like six feet tall. He's four years old.
Starting point is 01:25:26 The Taylor Swift thing, did people just lose their fucking minds when Joe DiMaggio started dating Marilyn Monroe? Or was it just like, oh, that's good. Yeah, it makes sense. Baseball player, actress, because this is,
Starting point is 01:25:36 I'm trying to think if there's any comparison to anything like we've seen before. I think that was way bigger because baseball was basically all four team sports combined for terms of attention. And Marilyn Monroe was the biggest female celebrity in the world. So social media were big.
Starting point is 01:25:51 The most famous Yankee. Okay. I mean, that would have been it. That would have been a wrap. Okay. That makes me feel better about this. I'm going to see. If you had to say how many weeks are they going to be together, what would you say? Because her movie comes out on October 13th. She's certainly got enough publicity out of this to push the movie.
Starting point is 01:26:11 And she's got some buffers every week, right? Now it's like Wolverine was there with her. I mean, I want it to come out that she's dating Kelsey's mother. I mean, that would be front page news, right? Well, I was thinking, what if she moves on to the World Series or the American League Championship or National League Championship game? Dips into those
Starting point is 01:26:32 waters for a couple weeks and then goes right to the NBA for some courtside. Yeah. She starts dating somebody on the opening night game. She's kind of bounced around and then maybe a UFC fighter for UFC 296. She could be of bounced around. Then maybe a UFC fighter for UFC 296. She could be in that section.
Starting point is 01:26:48 Maybe boxing. I don't know. She could have been at the Ryder Cup. What is she doing next to Ronald Acuna's uncle? Are we to read into this? How does she know Ronald Acuna? I thought he was married. He loves her music. Who do you have for the World Series, by the way? I just think the National League,
Starting point is 01:27:07 I think it's asking too much of the Braves. If you look at the last couple of years, the National League team has screwed it, right? So Braves, Mets, and I'm going Dodgers. I have a ticket holding Dodgers 8-1. And the way the Astros won this division, I just think they're coming back. It's boring, but I'm going to go Dodgers-Astros.
Starting point is 01:27:24 But phenomenal comeback by them to take that West and a bye, essentially. I have no opinion whatsoever because I've watched barely any baseball this year. But I will be rooting for Mookie Betts. Those freaking Red Sox. 87.5. Are you kidding me? I know. That's terrible.
Starting point is 01:27:40 Alright. Cuz, we can watch you on Cousin Sal's winning weekend on Fridays on Fandle TV. See you with Tate tomorrow night on Through the Ringer. Then we got Ringer Wise guys on Sundays, and you got the Against All Odds pod. Against All Odds Wednesday and Thursday. And by the way, we did a nice thing
Starting point is 01:27:55 for the people. You should feel good. You tweeted out a beautiful same game parlay with C.D. Lamb, the score touchdown. The wing went under 16 and a half points and Dallas minus one and a half. You never had to worry about it. You nailed it. Yeah, Jack, our Fandle guy. Lamb, the score touchdown. The wing went under 16 and a half points. And Dallas minus one and a half. You never had to worry about it. You nailed it. Yeah, Jack, our fan guy.
Starting point is 01:28:09 Yeah, go ahead. Well, he was like, you guys got to split legs. And I was like, Sal and I disagree in this game. And we should just go with Sal because I might be irrational with the Pats. Right. And it turned out you nailed it. You were right. We could go with you the rest of the year.
Starting point is 01:28:23 No, that was good. That was a good one. All right, Sal. Good job on you. Good job on you nailed it. You were right. We could go with you the rest of the year. No, that was good. That was a good one. All right, Sal. Good job on you. Good job on you, buddy. All right, that's it for the podcast. Don't forget, we did put up a part one if you missed it. Broke down the Drew Holiday trade
Starting point is 01:28:36 and have a new Rewatchables coming on Monday night, Toy Soldiers. So you're not going to see me again until Thursday. I will not have a podcast on Tuesday. I will be back on Thursday with a brand new BS podcast but new rewatchable is coming Monday night and you can check out TheRinger.com
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